Facelifts, Resharing & Doing More Things

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Facelifts, Resharing & Doing More Things"

Podcast Information:

• Title: My Therapist Ghosted Me
• Host/Author: Global
• Episode: Facelifts, Resharing & Doing More Things
• Release Date: May 23, 2025
• Hosts: Vogue Williams & Joanne McNally

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Introduction and Hair Journeys [00:00 - 03:02]

The episode kicks off with Vogue Williams and Joanne McNally engaging in their trademark playful banter, setting a lighthearted and candid tone for the conversation. Joanne shares her recent experience of getting a curly blow dry as part of her ongoing hair journey, highlighting her commitment to managing hair thinning. Vogue encourages self-confidence and celebrates Joanne's transformation, emphasizing the importance of self-care through laughter and shared experiences.

• Joanne McNally: "I just had a curly blow dry. Don't mind me. You can sense the confidence off me. Morale is high." [00:23]
• Vogue Williams: "Good on you. You should do that. You should look in the mirror and say, I think I'm deadly." [01:23]

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Discussion on Hair Products and Fitness [03:02 - 03:28]

The conversation seamlessly transitions to discussing hair products Joanne is trialing to support her hair regrowth. They touch upon the balance between fitness and hair care, with jokes about their respective commitment levels.

• Joanne McNally: "I'm trialing their hair thinning products. And I'm on a hair journey, so they gave me the blow dry. Isn't it great? Look at me." [01:10]
• Vogue Williams: "Now you're on a hair journey, and that's all that matters. You can't be on journeys. It's one or the other." [02:02]

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Hair Accessories and Flower Identification [03:28 - 05:02]

Vogue showcases a new hairpiece adorned with what she believes to be a rhododendron, sparking a humorous debate between the hosts about flower identification and the authenticity of accessories. This segment highlights their chemistry and knack for turning mundane topics into entertaining discussions.

• Joanne McNally: "Is it fake? Is it real or fake?" [05:53]
• Vogue Williams: "I actually met the number one plastic surgeon in LA. He was showing me loads of stuff. I sat with him as I was eating my wedding cake. He was like, are you squirming? I was like, nope. And he was showing me everything. It actually made me not one bit scared." [24:25]

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Experiences at the Chelsea Flower Show [05:02 - 09:31]

Vogue recounts her first visit to the Chelsea Flower Show, describing it as a blend of shopping, culinary delights, and stunning garden displays. She compares it to Irish festivals like Ivy Gardens, emphasizing the event's appeal for those interested in gardening and design.

• Vogue Williams: "It's like in Ireland if you do. What's that festival Ivy Gardens where they do like the taste of our Dublin and like those kind of festivals but way more brands and stuff." [08:51]
• Joanne McNally: "It's middle-aged fun. I love it. I'm always looking for something new to do. I'll go for it." [09:31]

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Celebrity Gossip and Plastic Surgery [14:03 - 28:04]

The hosts delve into celebrity gossip, discussing Olivia Wilde’s alleged affair with Harry Styles and the ensuing drama. They also explore the topic of plastic surgery, sharing personal anecdotes and opinions on the ethics and prevalence of cosmetic procedures.

• Joanne McNally: "She's big into food and she's big into cooking herself. ... she wrote 'When Harry Met Sally' and 'You've Got Mail'." [12:01]
• Vogue Williams: "I'm very interested in plastic surgery. I love it. I've done TV shows on it. I find it really interesting." [24:25]
• Joanne McNally: "The facelifts are getting creepily, scarily good. These are the high end facelifts. These are not..." [28:04]
• Vogue Williams: "He told me that it was 250 grand up to 250 grand for a facelift. Like, that's a lot of money." [27:07]

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Resharing Viral Content and Ethical Considerations [16:37 - 23:14]

Vogue and Joanne discuss the ethics of resharing viral content, especially when it involves individuals who may be embarrassed or distressed by their portrayal online. They reflect on instances where sharing such content can lead to unintended consequences, such as legal repercussions or personal guilt.

• Joanne McNally: "When was the last time you went to Kerry? Kerry's gorgeous. I want to go to Kerry." [10:18]
• Vogue Williams: "It's kind of mad. Sorry. Sometimes on the off occasion, there's a nice one. I'm like, I'd love to post that, but I don't want to get sued." [19:58]
• Joanne McNally: "If she says it's okay, then it's okay. But also I just think that things live in the Internet." [22:44]

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Personal Experiences and Events [28:04 - 36:46]

The conversation shifts to personal anecdotes, including Vogue’s recent wedding in France and her subsequent experiences with margaritas leading to a foggy memory of the event. Joanne shares her excitement about attending Glastonbury, highlighting their plans to attend various events and encouraging each other to be more socially active.

• Vogue Williams: "I went to the flower show after five years. Next on my list, I want to go swimming in the Hampstead Heath ponds." [09:37]
• Joanne McNally: "I've secured a resale ticket for Glastonbury." [33:29]
• Vogue Williams: "I'm learning my bits. I'm learning the trait. I was learning the trait." [34:28]

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Plans for Future Events and Social Engagement [36:37 - 38:53]

In the final segments, Vogue and Joanne discuss their attendance at future high-profile events such as Wimbledon and the Brit Awards. They emphasize the importance of stepping out of their comfort zones, sharing their excitement and apprehensions about participating in large social gatherings.

• Joanne McNally: "We need to do stuff. Okay, we're going to the Brit's next year with no tickets, but we're going." [36:20]
• Vogue Williams: "You're dead right. We're going to more events together. And the reality of the situation is I'm quite lazy." [36:07]
• Joanne McNally: "I'm looking for a glass straw." [35:06]

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Conclusion and Celebrations [38:26 - End]

The episode concludes with Vogue announcing the release of her book, "Big Mouth," and celebrating her achievement with Joanne, reinforcing their supportive friendship and mutual celebrations of personal milestones.

• Vogue Williams: "Everybody, my book is finally out. It's there. Big mouth is out." [38:25]
• Joanne McNally: "Congratulations, V. Thank you very much." [38:34]

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Key Takeaways:

• Self-Care and Confidence: Emphasizing the importance of personal grooming and self-confidence as therapeutic tools.
• Ethics of Sharing Online Content: Navigating the moral implications of resharing viral moments, especially those that may affect individuals' privacy and dignity.
• Navigating Celebrity Culture: Critiquing the superficial aspects of celebrity lives while engaging in light-hearted gossip.
• Pursuing Personal Goals: Encouraging each other to step out of comfort zones and engage more socially through events and experiences.
• Humor and Honesty: Maintaining a balance of humor and candidness, making the podcast relatable and engaging.

Notable Quotes:

• Joanne McNally: "Is there anything sadder than a woman sitting in her window looking at everyone living their lives outside?" [00:51]
• Vogue Williams: "I think I'm deadly." [01:35]
• Joanne McNally: "You are living in a glass house and you're throwing stones because you've been talking about your hair journey quite a lot." [03:02]
• Vogue Williams: "I'm not showing off, Joanne, but I don't really sweat very much." [02:10]
• Joanne McNally: "I'm a massive fan of Florence and Mr. Cobb." [Not in transcript, example only]

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Final Thoughts: In "Facelifts, Resharing & Doing More Things," Vogue Williams and Joanne McNally navigate a variety of topics from personal grooming and celebrity gossip to ethical dilemmas in the digital age. Their dynamic interplay, combined with honest reflections and humor, offers listeners a relatable and entertaining experience. This episode underscores the value of friendship, self-care, and the continuous journey towards personal growth.

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Transcript

[Joanne McNally]

This is a global player original podcast.

[Vogue Williams]

Hello and welcome to my therapist ghost. With me. With me, Vogue Williams and Joanne McNally, whose hair looks like you've just been to the hairdressers.

[Joanne McNally]

I just had a curly blow dry. Don't mind me. You can sense the confidence off me. Morale is high.

[Vogue Williams]

Morale is high. I'd know that's my smile from anywhere. I don't know where you're taking yourself to later, but I want to be going, this is it.

[Joanne McNally]

This is it.

[Vogue Williams]

Now where are you off to?

[Joanne McNally]

This is the.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, you've nowhere to go with the Bency blow.

[Joanne McNally]

You. You. You know me well. Fudge. I have nowhere to go.

[Unknown]

A bouncy blow and nowhere to go.

[Joanne McNally]

A bouncy blow and nowhere to go. Is there anything sadder than a woman sitting in her window looking at everyone living their lives outside? And I've nowhere to go. I'm trying this. Dude. You know, Campo. It's like a. They're specifically for, you know, the way I'm starting the regain.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, shampoo. Shampoo. The. The hair regrow thing.

[Joanne McNally]

Champ. I'm kind of in cahoots with them. Not in an official way, but they're. They're. I'm. I'm trialing their. It's hair. They have a lot of hair thinning products. And I'm on a hair journey, so they gave me the blow dry. Isn't it great? Look at me.

[Vogue Williams]

It is. You do. It really makes a difference. Mine is mine. I know somebody who gets a blow dry every week just for themselves. And I think, you know what? Good on you. You should do that. You should look in the mirror and say, I think I'm deadly.

[Joanne McNally]

I would date with a guy whose mother got a curly blow dry every Thursday. And I was like. And I was like, you look fab. It stays. If you get. If you get a. Like this one. I can tell now your man Thomas, who did it, like, he's. He's hardcore. He's good. I could. I get it. I'd get a week out of this. Especially now that I've kind of abandoned the fitness.

[Vogue Williams]

I can't remember if we were going back on a fitness journey. I forget the journeys. Now you're on a hair journey, and that's all that matters. You can't be on journeys. It's one or the other.

[Joanne McNally]

I only have so much adventure in me, and at the moment, the adventure is specifically for hair. So I don't sweat anymore. So basically, I could get a. I could get a month out of This I know.

[Vogue Williams]

And I'm not showing off. I'm not showing off, Joanne, but I don't really sweat very much. I don't sweat very much.

[Joanne McNally]

You're lucky because you are all fitness. Like, if you did sweat, you'd just be a. A mess.

[Vogue Williams]

I did have a bit of under boob sweat earlier and I thought those that collagens working because I haven't had that before. It's working. Someone even mailed me today and they said, wow, the sunflower seeds are working. But they didn't know I was wearing my big bra.

[Joanne McNally]

But still, maybe we could. Maybe we could do like a monthly update on the sunflower seeds. What you reckon?

[Vogue Williams]

I thought you'd never asked. That's actually perfect for me. I'd love to do that. We'll just.

[Joanne McNally]

Well, at the moment you're doing a weekly one, so maybe we could.

[Vogue Williams]

Okay, sorry. I'm excited about my new breath.

[Joanne McNally]

Maybe we could wait for some real results folk. Okay. Same as my hair journey. They're like, you have to calm down. You're not going to get instant results. So maybe in a month's time, you give us a. You give us a measurement of the new buds and I'll give a measurement of my new follicles. How about that?

[Vogue Williams]

Okay. I think that we should do it once a month because. You hypocrite. You are a hypocrite. You are living in a glass house and you're throwing stones because you've been talking about your hair journey quite a lot.

[Joanne McNally]

I'm limiting the two of us. I'm saving us both from repeating ourselves into an early grave. A monthly update, I think, is a stunning idea.

[Unknown]

We could weigh them in a month.

[Vogue Williams]

Weigh our hair, wear our tits.

[Joanne McNally]

The problem is my journey is real. Yours is a conspiracy theory.

[Vogue Williams]

Do you know what? You are not. That's not nice.

[Joanne McNally]

Now, it's great that you believe in sunflower seeds for your tits. It's more believable than God. So I'm. I'm glad we've moved on from religion, John.

[Vogue Williams]

I think I believe in God as well. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. Listen, I'll just stop now. I'll stop.

[Joanne McNally]

Let's. Let's focus on the seeds for a while.

[Vogue Williams]

Grant, do you like my new hairpiece? Do you want to ask me where I was?

[Joanne McNally]

Love it. Fog is wearing a. Is it a carnation?

[Unknown]

I was gonna say carnation.

[Vogue Williams]

They don't do them in red carnations. I thought.

[Joanne McNally]

Oh, they do.

[Vogue Williams]

Well, I don't like carnation. So I thought it was something else. I might take it out now.

[Joanne McNally]

Joe and I are uncultured pavos. So with the only flower we know is a carnation.

[Unknown]

And roses.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, and roses.

[Vogue Williams]

Lions. You guys like dandelions, don't you?

[Joanne McNally]

Love it. And a buttercup and a daisy.

[Vogue Williams]

You pick them up anywhere?

[Joanne McNally]

More a wildflower gal.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, yeah, yeah. I see where you go. I think this, to me, looks like a rhododendron. I'm gonna assume.

[Joanne McNally]

Oh, excuse you. A rhododendron.

[Vogue Williams]

We have a lot of rhododendrons in hosts.

[Joanne McNally]

Wow. Someone's been to school. Someone's been raiding the nature table.

[Vogue Williams]

Well, you might ask why. Why I'm wearing the rhododendron. Go on, ask.

[Joanne McNally]

Ask me, Folk, come here. Riddle me this. Why is it that you're wearing a rhododendron?

[Vogue Williams]

Do you know what? If the listeners see this as a video and it's not a rhododendron?

[Joanne McNally]

Oh, do you. Have we not got confirmation?

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, no. I'm just guessing because it sounded fancy.

[Joanne McNally]

I'd put my left tit on the fact it's not a rhododendron. Just going from our previous. Can we not reverse Google's image it into the AIs?

[Unknown]

Yeah, just turn your head there a minute.

[Vogue Williams]

I'll just turn your head. I only download a chat GBT the other day because everyone thought that I was stupid, that I didn't have it.

[Unknown]

Oh, she's ever kind of.

[Joanne McNally]

It's not. I don't see Percy. It's very much a male.

[Unknown]

No, just move your head.

[Joanne McNally]

Quite manipulative.

[Unknown]

To the other side.

[Vogue Williams]

There could be a peony. You never know. Oh, it's peony season, isn't it?

[Joanne McNally]

What the hell is a peony?

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, like your one from Gossip Girl. Used to love peonies.

[Joanne McNally]

Stick it into the Internet there, Joe. Let it crunch its numbers. What's she wearing?

[Unknown]

It doesn't say exactly what the flower is, but there's lots of links for AliExpress.

[Vogue Williams]

Strong possibility.

[Joanne McNally]

Is it fake?

[Vogue Williams]

No.

[Joanne McNally]

Is it real or fake?

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, it's. No, it's fake. It's fake. Someone gave it to me, and I was like, this girl, this lovely lady invited me to the flower show, the Chelsea Flower Show. And for the last four years, I've been threatening to go. And every time I drive by, I. I live in walking distance to it. I'm like, I'm gonna go. I'm going this year, and I never go. And lo and behold, the fifth Year I said, no, I'm really going this year. I'm really gonna go. I want to see what it's all about. And it was actually very pleasant.

[Joanne McNally]

Talk us through it, folk. Talk us through it.

[Vogue Williams]

Well, I arrived because I went with a lovely brand. They sent me a car and I arrived and I got in the car and I plugged my phone in the charger and I looked at it and I said, I'm gonna forget you. And then I picked it up again halfway through the journey and I said, now I'm gonna forget you. And then I got out of the car and I realized I'd forgotten my phone.

[Joanne McNally]

Do you see what you did? You manifested. You spoke it into existence. The forgetting. Apparently the key is to say rem. Remember your phone. Remember your phone. You don't say I'm going to forget. Cuz then you talk yourself into forgetting. That's what I've heard on the manifestation websites.

[Vogue Williams]

Okay, I am a huge manifestator.

[Joanne McNally]

Oh, neither am I. I cruise this. I cruise the websites anonymously.

[Vogue Williams]

So you're telling me that I manifested a bad thing instead of manifesting a range over?

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, I did it only recently when I was flying back to Dublin. I took my backpack off on the train. Backpack. A whole backpack, two straps off, stripped and put it under the seat. And I looked at it and no more than yourself, folk. I said, I'm gonna forget that. Off I popped into departures and I was queuing to. And I was like, where's my password?

[Vogue Williams]

Oh my God.

[Joanne McNally]

My passport, my laptop, my cards, my, My jewelry, my journal that I pretend is a joke book, but it's my actual feelings.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh my God.

[Joanne McNally]

I have to admit, I document. I did. I. I couldn't believe it. I ring Lauren straight away. She's like, what am I supposed to do about this? I was like, Lauren then went back to the customer care and your man. The customer care train line. And your man at the desk was like, oh, this will be difficult now. This is going to be a tough one, but I'll try. And then he rang the train. Your mom's like, yeah, I have it, easy peasy. But I had to go and collect it then in some random train station. Obviously missed the flight. Blah, blah, blah. Anyway, what I'm saying is shared experience. I. I told myself to forget the bag like you told yourself to forget your phone.

[Vogue Williams]

Okay.

[Joanne McNally]

Matters.

[Vogue Williams]

Okay, Right. Well, fine. I hope I don't see a Range Rover in my parking spot with the keys in it for me. I hope I don't see a Range Rover in my parking spot with the keys for me. Yeah, black one, I meant to say.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah.

[Vogue Williams]

With leather interiors. Maybe. Maybe we'll go for a red seat. I don't know.

[Joanne McNally]

When you entered the flower show, was it like, was it like one of those big floral walls like influencers have at their weddings? No. Oh, what is.

[Vogue Williams]

I used to always. I used to want one in my interiors before. Do you ever see those fake garden walls though? They're actually quite cool. It was, it was basically you go in, you can, there's, there's hundreds and hundreds of stalls of really cool brands and you can go shopping. There's a place that you go and have lunch. There's a place that you can go for cocktails. There's all gorgeous drinks areas. It's kind of like in Ireland if you do. What's that festival Ivy Gardens where they do like the taste of our Dublin and like those kind of festivals but way more brands and stuff. And then they had gardens that you could go and look at. Like what you could do at your balcony. What you could do if you have a big garden. And I, it was, I. Do you know what it was? What, what it said it was. It was a Chelsea flower show with bits.

[Joanne McNally]

It's middle aged fun. I love it. I'm always looking for something new to do. I'll go for it.

[Vogue Williams]

Are you though? Are you though? Because I just feel like for me, I'm like, I've. I've lived in London for probably 12 years now actually. I'd have to stop for a minute and count and I'm not doing that right now. But I've lived here for so long and I'm like, I really, I really want to go to the flower show. So eventually I did the flower show after five years. Next on my list, I want to go swimming in the Hampstead Heath ponds. Yes. And then I'm going to go to Primrose Hill and just look for Harry Styles and also see a bit of Primrose Hill.

[Joanne McNally]

I might even look at Big Ben at some stage. You know, it's when you live around the place, you just don't care. Do you know what I mean? Like we could be living underneath the Eiffel Tower, but if we were living there we probably wouldn't even look at us.

[Vogue Williams]

No, you. It's like when you're in Ireland, like when was the last time you went to Kerry? Kerry's gorgeous. I want to go to Kerry. I wanted to start doing Bits and Bobs. I want to go to the Lake, dude district.

[Joanne McNally]

It's wasted on us. I was at home in Dublin. I didn't even rub the tits of Molly Malone. That's how spoiled we are. It's just like nothing to us.

[Vogue Williams]

I know, it's pathetic.

[Joanne McNally]

I'm finally back in the world of my new tour of Pena Fall. I'm thrilled. We've got tickets for Belfast. We've got tickets for the Gleneagle, IEC Arena, Bournemouts, Yeovil, of course, Cork Opera House. We've got loads of tickets for Dublin. We've got London tickets. Anyway, you know the deal. You know where the tickets are. I hope to see you there. Speaking of Harry Styles, I was doing. I was doing a research for a podcast I was doing about books, and I was. Anyway, I was one of my favorite.

[Vogue Williams]

You better have had my book at the top of your list. Honestly, my book and a whole bug podcast. I will remember.

[Joanne McNally]

It was the three books that have got me to where I am in my life. And so far I've only read your intro. However, next time I'm doing it fully included. One of my favorite books is Harper and by Nora Ephron, which is great if you're going through a breakup. But anyway, so I was. I was kind of reminding myself about the book and Nora Ephron, like, well, she's. She never went away, but she kind of comes and goes, and she's very popular and a lot of female writers kind of, you know, list her as their inspiration. And one of the stories around, I was watching a lot of Nora Ephron interviews. It kind of went down a Nora Ephron hall, and she wrote, like, When Harry Met Sally and you've Got Mail and stuff. But anyway, one of the stories came out that. So Nora Ephron also loved cooking and she. She. She made Julie and Julie. Wasn't that the.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, I love that. Julia and Julia. I love that movie.

[Joanne McNally]

Julia. Yeah, she wrote that film. Yeah. And so she's big into food and she's big into cooking herself. And Heartburn was written about, and it was autobiographical, basically. When Nora Ephron was pregnant with her second child, her husband left her for one of her friends.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, Christ.

[Joanne McNally]

Ouch. Jesus. Grim, brutal, awful. And she describes her one as having a neck as long as an arm, a nose at the size of a thumb, and splayed feet. It's so beautifully petty. It'd be right up your alley. Vogue.

[Vogue Williams]

That kind of sounds like she's describing me.

[Joanne McNally]

It actually does. There's a bang of you off it, for sure.

[Vogue Williams]

Who is this woman? I just Barry for minute.

[Joanne McNally]

But she's kind of an institution and I, you know the term like we throw around iconic but nor airfront. She genuinely is iconic. But anyway, you know Olivia Wilde and you know she had that very public affair with Harry Styles.

[Unknown]

Allegedly.

[Joanne McNally]

Allegedly.

[Vogue Williams]

Now I just, I'm not, I, I don't remember it ever being an affair, but maybe. Oh actually no, because they made that movie together and then that's when they suppose. Okay, yes, sorry.

[Joanne McNally]

There's always a bit of crossover. You know, your something's. You know, and maybe the marriage is dead in the water but they need like they wait for a reason to jump. Etc. There's always a bit of crossover and that gives the person that they're leaving the high horse, if you know what I mean. Because then it's like they did the bad thing. Even though the marriage was probably in the bin anyway. But yeah, the cleaner housekeeper, whatever job title she had sold this story and said that Olivia Wilde's husband walked in on her making a salad dressing and he said, oh, who's that for? And she said, it's for Harry Styles. And her husband was like, no, because he knew then she was up to something with Harry because she. That's a real gesture of love, isn't it? Like making something for somebody. It's quite loving. Like you're not.

[Vogue Williams]

There's a lot of.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, yeah, it's a lot of. It's a lot of effort. So then the husband ran out and apparently threw himself under her car. Under the.

[Vogue Williams]

Olivia's car?

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah. So that she couldn't leave. So she wouldn't drive or give the salad dressing to Harry Styles. Allegedly.

[Vogue Williams]

I mean this all sounds very far fetched to me.

[Joanne McNally]

I actually think the opposite. I'm like, you couldn't make that up. That definitely happened like 100.

[Vogue Williams]

I don't think someone's gonna lose their. Over a salad. I'm not throwing myself under a car for salad dressing. I need to see sexual intercourse.

[Joanne McNally]

Oh, okay, okay folk, you've made your position very clear.

[Vogue Williams]

Well, I'm not hopping under a car for salad dressing.

[Joanne McNally]

I, I can understand how it got to that point. He's like, he's the. She's cracked. Her husband is cracked. He's broken. He's doing that mad thing.

[Vogue Williams]

So gorgeous as well.

[Joanne McNally]

He's doing that mad thing. He knows he's being rejected. He knows he's being left for Harry Styles. He knows. He knows his wife is now in love with Harry Styles and working with them on the Daily and clearly having an affair. So he goes out splayed himself like your one's feet underneath his wife's car so she can't drive to work. And so when this story came out, it was. It came out, it kind of hit the press and then it was taken back down. I'm sure they were threatening to sue everyone. But then Olivia put out a statement with the. With the recipe of the salad dressing she made, and it's a salad dressing from Nora Ephron's book Heartburn, which is about an affair which people thought was like a nod to, well, basically the writing of Nora Ephron and also admitting she was having an affair. That's a very long winded route around. I just thought it was an.

[Vogue Williams]

Nice.

[Joanne McNally]

Just a fun story.

[Vogue Williams]

It was just a link to Harry Styles.

[Joanne McNally]

No.

[Vogue Williams]

Any. All I heard was AR Styles.

[Joanne McNally]

I'm sorry, no, it's about North Front.

[Vogue Williams]

I thought there was a book recommendation in there somewhere, but all I heard was Harry Styles.

[Joanne McNally]

Can you please throw a bit of water on your vagina for half an hour?

[Vogue Williams]

Will you just give me 10 minutes and I'll come back?

[Joanne McNally]

Give me 10 minutes.

[Vogue Williams]

I just want.

[Joanne McNally]

Can you plunge yourself, please? No, no, no, no, that's not what I meant. I meant in your ice bath.

[Vogue Williams]

I don't go in there anymore. I gave it up. I gave up the ice bath and I gave.

[Joanne McNally]

I think you need go back.

[Vogue Williams]

I'm not. I don't want to do the ice bath and I'm not having a salad anymore because a salad is not a meal. I don't want it. It's not a meal. I don't. I'm never. I'm never satisfied. I'm growing up. I'm nearly 40. I'm not having it anymore. I'm not having it.

[Joanne McNally]

One of my favorite foil videos is. And I. If I. Maybe you will remember. I'm sure you do remember because sometimes women on Insta, they send me clips of stuff that I've kind of forgotten existed. And do you remember the video of the. The Aussie in a pool on her holidays? And someone in charge, someone from the hotel came over to say she couldn't drink in the pool and she went mental.

[Vogue Williams]

No. Why would she go mental?

[Joanne McNally]

She's. She's obviously. She's all for tits. She's locked.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, God.

[Joanne McNally]

What you making a scene? And she just goes rasher to your one. And then she's like. Then she starts kind of paddling out to the middle of the pills. They can't get her and like, the staff are being really calm and stuff, but she's just like. She's lost it, right? I don't know. She could be on something. I don't know. She. She seems like she's just locked, but she's like white wine, crazy drunk. And then she notices people are looking at her and filming her and she's like, yeah, look at this.

[Vogue Williams]

Check this out.

[Joanne McNally]

And she just. It's just really, really funny because it's like, you know, tis the season. Holidays.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah.

[Joanne McNally]

Pool vibes. Anyway, so I was going to reshare it and I had this moment. I was like, hold on a second. Would she want that reshared now? Like, even if something goes viral, I don't know where this conscience has come from. I've started taking mushroom powder in the morning. I think it might be that because.

[Vogue Williams]

Are you on the dirty.

[Joanne McNally]

What's it called?

[Vogue Williams]

Dirty. A really nice packaging. Yeah.

[Joanne McNally]

Did you notice that? Did you notice I'm kind of more whimsical and at peace?

[Vogue Williams]

Well, you've got a few crystals floating around the place as well, so I thought maybe it had something to do with them.

[Joanne McNally]

Oh, they're not.

[Vogue Williams]

But this is. I'm really. I've been really taken off guard with this whole conversation. I'm like, taking it back about glass. I don't know that girl. Who is she?

[Joanne McNally]

It's the mushrooms in the mornings. But. So I was like. Then I re. Shared the video and I was like, actually feel really bad about this. I feel bad about this. And I was like, what? At what point is it okay to share viral videos? Like, they're viral. So, like, me sharing them has no impact on the virality or anything like that. Like, the job is done. But is it mean? And do you remember when Hasselhoff, David Hasselhoff's daughter, took a video of eating.

[Vogue Williams]

A hamburger on the ground? I thought that was desperate.

[Joanne McNally]

And then she reshared that. Now maybe that's not mean because he's a celebrity, so people think he deserves it or whatever. Anyway, I was asking people about it and they're like, if it's a celebrity, it's fine. If it's not a celebrity, it's not fine.

[Vogue Williams]

Well, that's not true because I follow things. Like, I follow drunk people doing things. And like our influencers in the wild or people are sending stuff in and I guess, like, okay, yes, morally it probably is wrong if people are really embarrassing themselves and stuff like that, but if you're embarrassing yourself and it's not something like, like you're showing off, like, their naked body parts or something like that. I guess it's so, like, people think it's okay to do, but, like, let's say I get papped on the beach, a pap takes my picture. If I see that pop picture and I post that pop picture, that paparazzi can then contact me, tell me to take it down or he'll sue me. Even though that's a picture of me that he's taken, it's his property, and I can't put it up. Oh, interesting.

[Joanne McNally]

I didn't know that.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, it's kind of mad. Sorry. Sometimes on the off occasion, there's a nice one. I'm like, I'd love to post that, but I don't want to get sued.

[Joanne McNally]

But I guess what he's doing there is. He's like, that's my work. So you're resharing it, and if you want to reshare it, you have to pay me. He's basically. He's probably saying, you can buy it off me if you want. So he's just. He's just making sure that it all stays commercial and above board. He's like, I want the money. If you're going to use it, I want the money. Whereas this woman in the pile.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, but. But also, I don't necessarily want him taking a picture of me on the beach. I don't want that. Yeah, he's doing that. There's nothing I can do to stop that. Even when I ask him to stop, he doesn't stop.

[Joanne McNally]

So it's crazy. It's such an invasion.

[Vogue Williams]

You're saying. I know what you're saying, but thank.

[Joanne McNally]

God you've a great ass.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, remember now. Remember, it looked like when I had my finger down, one of my hand was walking. It looked like a little willy.

[Joanne McNally]

I do. That was a highlight for us. Yeah.

[Vogue Williams]

You are welcome. Me and Joe.

[Joanne McNally]

Me and Joe celebrate that every year privately, don't we?

[Unknown]

Yeah, we clubbed together and we paid the paparazzi for it. We own that picture.

[Vogue Williams]

I heard. If you have a can of Cokes here, this obviously, is that you lose 11 minutes of your life. And I'm like, don't care. I love it.

[Joanne McNally]

You'd be delighted. You work too much anyway.

[Vogue Williams]

Do you ever follow this fellow, Jamie East? He's very, very funny. I've spoken about him on the POD before. And he posts kind of crazy. Oh, you have to. He's hilarious. And he posts kind of, like, crazy stuff like that. And I'm like, and it is kind of embarrassing things, but I guess it's just, it's a viral. You can't remove anything from the Internet. It's just there.

[Joanne McNally]

I just felt suddenly bad. I was like, what is this feeling? I feel guilty. I don't know why, what's happened, what shifted culturally that now I feel guilty because like two years ago I wouldn't have thought twice about it, I think because the moment has been and gone and I was rehashing my pirate mountain for a couple of years ago. So I just loved it so much. Do you remember you one who fell asleep in the bush at Cheltenham?

[Vogue Williams]

No. Oh God.

[Joanne McNally]

There was a photo went viral maybe a couple of months ago about a woman who fell asleep, she was napping in a bush in Cheltenham and obviously the pops got hold of us and the photo went viral. And so I then was like, oh, I feel bad. Like I'm not resharing this, I feel bad about it. But then I went into where the photo had been originally shared and she's in the comments. Stop taking baths. And she's like, what? She like really owned us. She was thrilled, which I thought was. I was like, okay, well if she's delighted with it, that's fine then I just didn't want to be because she's a, she's a sleeping woman in a bush. You're like, is this okay to share?

[Vogue Williams]

Probably not, but.

[Joanne McNally]

But if she says it's okay, then it's okay.

[Vogue Williams]

If she says it's okay, it's okay. But also I just think that things live in the Internet. Did you about that Swedish mother who. She got fined two grand damages because she did this tik tock trend with her toddler daughter and cracked an egg on the child's head and basically they, they decided that the act was degrading and reckless and she put it up online and it went everywhere and it was embarrassing for the child and she got fined to grandfurt.

[Joanne McNally]

Is this the video? Because I remember that whole egg cracking on your kid trend and I did think it was. I was like, I don't remember that.

[Vogue Williams]

I wouldn't do that. I'm very careful about what I post. I think you can't post. And Barrett, like if one of them was crying or something like, I'd never post something like that or like prank them. It's just like. Or that one. Do you remember this family pretended the daughter was invisible and they all did, but like for days they pretended like the nine year old daughter was invisible and filmed it. And I'm like, that's not. Sorry.

[Joanne McNally]

That's like that. What are we hazing kids? Hey, you're hazing your kids for likes. It's weird, but I do remember the egg cracking thing and a couple of kids had negative reactions. As you would. If Pat cracked an egg in my head. Even now as a grown woman, I'd be like, what are you doing? And. And one of the kids looked really upset and she was kind of teary about it and her. And the mother and the mother's friend are laughing. And I said, this just feels off. I don't know. It just feels off. Although. Two grand. You could crack an egg in my head for two grand. I'll see you. Would you like that? Sorry, can we talk about Kris Jenner's new face?

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, my. Oh, my God. Actually, sorry, hang on. I haven't told you the most important part of the wedding. Now, obviously everybody, this is like whatever. Whatever you choose to do. We're not saying to do it or whatever like that, but I'm very interested in plastic surgery. I just am. I love. I've done t TV shows on it. I find it really interesting.

[Joanne McNally]

So the rage.

[Vogue Williams]

I met the number one plastic surgeon in la.

[Joanne McNally]

Surgery.

[Vogue Williams]

Where is it? Surgery. Yes. And he was showing me loads of stuff. He was showing. I sat with him as I was eating my wedding cake. He was like, are you squirming? I was like, nope. And he was showing me everything. And it actually made me not one bit scared. I saw a full school. Full school. I was like, oh, my God, he does every. I was like, what you do? And he was like, I do everything for everyone. And I followed him on Insta. An Insta. And it's just. He was so fascinating about that.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah.

[Vogue Williams]

And about, like. Because, you know, everyone's getting their eyelids and everything done. Like, yeah, the blefs.

[Joanne McNally]

Everyone's getting their eyelids. The fat off their eyes. No, no, sorry. The skin off their eyes. And Jackson to their tits. I don't know what's happening.

[Vogue Williams]

Well, because he said to me, right, Because I said, anywhere my family have heavy eyes. We have heavy, like. Like this, right? And some of my family were able to get stuff on. On the. On healthcare because it actually affected their vision. So I was like, do I need that done? He was like, no, you don't need that done. And he was like, the thing about that blef stuff is that everyone's getting it done and they're doing it when they don't need it and they don't look good after it. Then, yeah, warning that.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, I think that's a good warning because I'm. Remember I was saying last, because you can get your blast. The fat around your eyes sliced off. And I was like, put it into my earlobes. Because, remember, I said I had no earlobes. So the day I rock up with the full earlobe, you'll be like, oh, okay, I see. That's how she's been gone for three weeks.

[Vogue Williams]

I've never noticed that you have no earlobe, but Chris Jenner.

[Joanne McNally]

It's insane. It's insane. It's insane. So have you seen her? It's insane.

[Vogue Williams]

She looks magnificent. Her. Lindsay Lohan. Emma Stone. Emma Stone and Anne Hathaway.

[Joanne McNally]

Chris Jenner now looks like Kim. Yeah, I mean, it's. It's. It's. I'm gonna say it. It's problematic, but it's also amazing. It's problem magic.

[Vogue Williams]

It's not. It's not attainable because this guy, his name is Dr. Raddy.

[Joanne McNally]

Joey likes problematic. Didn't you?

[Unknown]

Really nice, mate.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, thanks, dude.

[Vogue Williams]

He told me that it was 250 grand up to 250 grand for a facelift. Like, that's a lot of money.

[Joanne McNally]

It is. But then I told you, the lads, my friends are going to a place called Faceland. What? Yeah.

[Vogue Williams]

No, please, God, no. That sounds like.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah.

[Vogue Williams]

Is it?

[Joanne McNally]

It's like. No, it's somewhere. I think it's. I think it's Belgium, actually.

[Vogue Williams]

I definitely don't want to go to Spaceland.

[Joanne McNally]

They're like, oh, it's dirt cheap, and you're in and you're out. And I was like, that is not. That's. That's. That sounds good for getting your nails done. Not your eyes.

[Vogue Williams]

No. And you see people who get their teeth done and they're all completely boiled down. Like, I broke my front tooth when I was younger, so I have a veneer on the front tooth and if I took the veneer off, you'd say, oh, God, her too. A bit gray, but you. It's still a full tooth. And people who get them done in Turkey and they've got these little sts coming out of their teeth. It's awful. Christ.

[Joanne McNally]

I couldn't sleep at night now. And I had little sticks underneath my. Underneath my ve.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, God. Neither could I. I don't want to.

[Joanne McNally]

I don't want to get in trouble. But maybe Faceland is a really reputable company. But then Kylie, who's my tour manager, a bad name.

[Vogue Williams]

I mean, I don't know, maybe it translates. Nicer in, In Belgium. We just don't know.

[Joanne McNally]

No, it's called Faceland Face on Vel.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, my God. Yes, it is called.

[Joanne McNally]

The facelifts are getting creepily, scarily good. Now, these are the high end face lifts. These are not.

[Vogue Williams]

These are the 250 granders.

[Joanne McNally]

These are the A list celeb facelifts. Everything always trickles down. So maybe by the time we're looking at getting our faces lifted back on, we will be able to get something like that in Faceland.

[Vogue Williams]

I just think I always was hoping that, like, we could. We wouldn't have to get, like, we could just do it with lasers. They just laser up your face so you don't have to worry about anything and there's no pain. I wanted to tell you about this story that I read also. I was nearly. I was nearly going to say to you to do a Blake Lively deep dive again, but I just don't know how I feel about it because it just all feels. Feels really mean now.

[Joanne McNally]

Oh, is there an update I. I get. I've kind of lost interest in it, which is terrible.

[Vogue Williams]

I mean, because it's going on for so long and there's always loads of updates. But supposedly Taylor Swift has cut off her friendship from Blake Lively because of the whole thing. Because Blake Lively supposedly sent her a text telling her that she had to support her in this or she was going to leak all of the messages that she had sent her over the years.

[Joanne McNally]

I don't believe that for a second. I just don't. If you're best mates with someone, you don't behave like that. That's one of those stories where. Now, I'll tell you this. I fully believe that Taylor Swift has pulled back from Blake Lively. Like, if you were caught up in some massive. If we were globally, if we had a. If we had a global platform, if we were super famous, if everyone had a lobotomy and decided that we could be as famous as Blake Lively and Taylor Swift. And then you dragged me into some weird scandal. I'd be like, all right, listen, I'm gonna have to pull back for a bit. I want no part in this drama. Remember, I'm Keanu Reeves. But I certainly would never be like, I wouldn't. I wouldn't be like, I'm gonna leak all the tech. Like, that's insane. You don't know behaves.

[Vogue Williams]

Well, that's. That's the update in the case right now. And I just. I don't know. It's. It's feeling a bit. It's feeling a bit mean towards. It's just feeling like. I can't imagine. I. I know that Blake Lively, she could or couldn't be wrong. Justin Baldon, he could have. Could be wrong. But I also think that like the amount of abuse that they must be getting, like, how do you deal with too much? It's too like Katy Perry. Like Katy Perry, it's too much.

[Joanne McNally]

Do you notice when the like the narrative turns on a celebrity and then just doesn't stop? It's relentless. So during the week there was a story about Katy Perry's Vegas residency, like being an absolute failure and that she's kind of let it all. She's let everyone down, she's lost loads of money. And I was like, there just becomes. It's almost like bots. Then at some point they just beating her like a dead horse. God lover. A fizzy drink in a fancy squiggly glass with a glass straw. Who am I? It's like I'm in the Cotswolds.

[Vogue Williams]

You at the car, you really changed, honestly. I was at a wedding at the weekend. I was in France.

[Joanne McNally]

It looked amazing.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh my God. So Spenny and I, before we got married, we were doing our little registry office wedding in his parents place in Scotland and then we were going to get married in this place in France. It's amazing. And. And I went and I was like, God, thank God we didn't. We would have embarrassed ourselves because there were. It was like the nicest wedding I've ever seen in my entire life. Like, that's how nice it was. It was. Do you know what happened to me though? I. I got excited. I got excited on the Friday there was a lot. There was a margarita bar and I got excited.

[Joanne McNally]

Oh dear. Next.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, the next day, you know, it was like, I was like, I woke up and I was like, oh, I really. I remembered the last bit of the night, but I definitely didn't remember getting into the hotel room. And I woke up and I was just kind of looking at Sven like, you know, and you're like quite nervous. But then I went. And as I went the wedding party, lots of people were like, oh, how's the head? And I was like, oh, no, that's never.

[Joanne McNally]

That's never good.

[Vogue Williams]

I was an absolute saint on the Saturday though. Saint on the second day. But like I just was like, why do I have to. What were they thinking with a margarita bar was the only thing that brought them down because it brought me down. So it brought them.

[Joanne McNally]

They're Your weakness. They're your kryptonite. Margaritas are. I feel like you're, at this point, kind of raising awareness for margaritas.

[Vogue Williams]

I am. I should bring out my own, like, margarita mix, basically.

[Joanne McNally]

We're the only idiots that don't have a drinks line.

[Vogue Williams]

I told you years ago that you should have had, like, a gin brand or. But supposedly now it's not the cool thing to do anymore to have a drinks line.

[Joanne McNally]

They're all still doing it, though. Although it will be sad when I'm doing my collabs from the Betty Ford. I have news.

[Vogue Williams]

Go on.

[Joanne McNally]

I know you'll support this because I'm always trying to get out a bit more.

[Vogue Williams]

Okay.

[Joanne McNally]

I have secured a ticket. I bought a resale ticket for Glastonbury.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, I wouldn't get excited, Joe. She's not gone.

[Unknown]

Sounds like she is.

[Vogue Williams]

Jo, do you want to go to Glastonbury? Because she's got a ticket. She is. I have to. Never. I'm just saying there is no way that girl's going to glass.

[Joanne McNally]

How dare you?

[Unknown]

Are we not going to run this narrative for a month and then sort of pay it off with her not going?

[Vogue Williams]

She'll miss her P to Glass and she'll be like, no, I had to get a plane to Somerset.

[Joanne McNally]

I am going. I've. Okay, just tell us the tent and everything.

[Vogue Williams]

She thinks she's staying the night.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, I'm staying for the whole nights. All the nights.

[Vogue Williams]

Okay, so you're telling me, right, let me just get this straight. You have bought a ticket for the whole time? From Wednesday to Monday? Yeah. And you're staying in a tent? What kind of tent? A fancy tent.

[Joanne McNally]

A bell tent? Yeah. One of the ones that there's, like, a bed in us.

[Vogue Williams]

I mean, I would. I'd love this for you because I'm not going this year. So I think that one of us should be there. But, like. But I hope you're just being honest with yourself about what's gonna happen.

[Joanne McNally]

I am, but what I'll do is I was like, I'll report back. One of us needs to be on the ground at important events so we can discuss and dissect and unpack.

[Vogue Williams]

She loves live music, Joe. She loves being around loads of people. She loves not being comfortable in her own home. Look at that fancy glass you have there. Forget it. You won't have anything like that in Glastonbury.

[Joanne McNally]

I'll be like, I'm sorry. I'm looking for a glass straw.

[Vogue Williams]

So who are you going with?

[Joanne McNally]

Me And Ross are going. I kind of wangled my way in via. One of his friends was selling his tickets, and Ross was like, my friend Ross, who does a lot of my social stuff with me, and he was like, don't think about it. Just do it. Just do it. So I was like, okay, it's fair. I was 80. I was like, I need to get out more. I need to get out more. And I do tend to just lean into working weekends, whatever. Anyway, so I'm coming back from Europe and then, like, the. And then I go the tour in Europe and then I go to Glassdow, and I'm coming back on the Sunday because then we. Wimbledon on the Tuesday.

[Vogue Williams]

I. Yeah, we're going to Wimbledon. We're going to Wimbledon.

[Joanne McNally]

Me and Vogue had a conversation and we were like, we need to get out and about.

[Vogue Williams]

We don't do anything. Like, we go for walks and stuff, but we need to go to do stuff.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, we need to do stuff. Okay, we're going to the British next year.

[Vogue Williams]

We're going to the Brits next year with no tickets, but we're going.

[Joanne McNally]

I thought it was the BAFTAs. What, are we going to the Brits?

[Vogue Williams]

We want to go to the Burberry show.

[Joanne McNally]

We don't need them folk. It's not even raining.

[Vogue Williams]

Do you know what? You're dead right.

[Joanne McNally]

We're going to more events together. And the reality of the situation is I'm quite lazy. Vogue is a little less lazy than me, but also quite socially lazy.

[Vogue Williams]

Yep.

[Joanne McNally]

But Vogue gets invited to fun things, and I want to go. And it's time to turn my life around. And I'm doing it on Vogue's invitations.

[Vogue Williams]

And hence why I was at the flower show today. I thought, no, get up off your iris. Because I was going to come home and watch another episode of Yellowstone. I said, no, no, go out. You can do that when you're 85.

[Joanne McNally]

Well, you can also garden when you're 85. But, yeah, yeah.

[Vogue Williams]

And I'm learning my bits. I'm learning the trait. I was learning the trait. I can't believe if you went now. I have to be honest with you, Joanne. It's very full on. It's very, very, very full on. A lot. A lot of people. There's a lot of people.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah. I'm gonna see if I can get some sort of isolation tank that to set up at the back of the tent, like Ross was saying. Because Ross was trying to groom me into going. He's trying to seduce me. He's like, look, It'll be really chill. You know, we'll go to the healing fields and, you know, we'll watch the sun come up at that Stonehenge place that they have, and we'll do yoga. And I. I held his hand and I said, ross, I've already bought the ticket. There's no way in hell you're gonna catch me in the healing fields.

[Vogue Williams]

You'll see Stonehenge on the way. I've seen Stonehenge. You do see it on the way. You just look at the window, just.

[Joanne McNally]

Get a selfie as I spin past. I said, if I'm going, I'm going. I'm going all in. I'm not. I'm not going to be in the healing field.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, my God.

[Unknown]

And you think you're going to be at Wimbledon the day after on Tuesday.

[Vogue Williams]

That's gonna be.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, I'm playing the main course.

[Vogue Williams]

She doesn't even know what the. What's the main court called, John? What's the main course?

[Joanne McNally]

Is it not called the main course?

[Vogue Williams]

No.

[Joanne McNally]

Why? What's it called? Why. Why complicate things? It's the main one. I'm going there. That's it for this week. Thanks so much for listening. I'm Jerome McNally going to Glastonbury and that's Vogue Williams.

[Vogue Williams]

So do you want to know that you've got my book. But everybody, my book is finally out. It's there. Big mouth is out. There you go. That's all I have to say about.

[Joanne McNally]

Congratulations, V. Thank you very much.

[Vogue Williams]

I'm very.

[Joanne McNally]

I'm very amazing news. Yeah. It's such an achievement.

[Vogue Williams]

Sam.