It's been a REAL journey

Summary

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My Therapist Ghosted Me — "It's Been a REAL Journey"

Hosts: Vogue Williams & Joanne McNally
Date: May 29, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this wide-ranging episode, Vogue and Joanne dive deep into everything from high-profile celebrity drama—especially the Katie Price missing husband saga—to personal reflections on aging, home moves, sibling betrayals, and mortuary practices. The conversation is brimming with their trademark honesty, banter, and relatable humor, offering both gut-busting laughs and moments of introspection.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Katie Price’s Missing Husband and “Ghosting” vs. Kidnapping

• The episode starts with the ongoing media storm around Katie Price's husband, Lee Andrews, who has gone "missing," and the comedic melodrama that has ensued.
• Joanne, as a former publicist, critiques the old adage “all press is good press,” saying:

  "I don't think that saying works here. I think this man's reputation, legacy in life will be borderline destroyed whenever he decides to come out of hiding, if he is in hiding... There's a lot of broken women in his past, a lot of women he's ripped off." (03:00)

• Vogue brings a down-to-earth perspective:

  "I don't think his reputation was like that stellar that what he's doing now is kind of damaging it." (02:24)

• Both question whether Katie Price has simply been ghosted, not kidnapped, with Vogue quipping:

  "This might be her first ghosting and she's like, oh my God, he's been kidnapped. But it's like, no, this is called ghosting." (04:38 & 00:20)

• The absurdity of the situation makes them speculate about the media circus and Katie's possible motivations, including opportunistically releasing a single and CBD oil.

Timestamp Highlights:

• [00:41–06:22] — Main Katie Price discussion, media analysis, publicist insight, and a healthy dose of skepticism.

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2. Obsession with Center Parcs & Middle-Class Fantasies

• Vogue waxes lyrical about holidaying at Center Parcs with kids, her affection for these retreats, and even muses about buying shares or franchising.
• Joanne jokes about always copying Vogue's investments and life plans, adding mock seriousness:

  "I'm putting a tenner into Center Parcs. Joe, write that down now. Tenner. Center Parcs." (07:10)

• The chat drifts into business curiosity about how lucrative these enterprises are, followed by their playful banter about legal disclaimers.

Timestamp Highlights:

• [06:44–09:44] — Center Parcs fanfare, talk of buying in, and humorous musing on middle-class ambitions.

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3. Aging, Embalming, and Philosophical Tangents

• A classic My Therapist Ghosted Me moment: from discussions about kids aging themselves up to examining why Western culture fears aging.
• Joanne offers a favorite philosophical bite:

  "As you get older, you realize what's for you won't pass you by." (11:29)

• The discussion spins into famous embalmed figures—saints, Stalin—and chemical preservation after death.
• Hilariously practical queries about pricing:

  Joe: "Prices start from a hundred pounds."
  Joanne: "You wouldn't even get your hair and makeup done dead for 100 quid in Ireland." (16:56–17:09)

• Vogue’s, perhaps unexpected, concern:

  "Don't be scrimping on me. I want to be fully embalmed. Not the cheap one either." (18:11)

Timestamp Highlights:

• [13:09–19:09] — Reflections on aging, embalming, cultural rituals, cosmetic preservation, and Irish funeral traditions.

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4. Family, Sibling Dynamics, and Morbid Humor

• Vogue shares her experience bringing her brother’s kids on holiday and muses about the value of older, independent children:

  "If the child came out at 10 years old, I don't even think I'd notice. I actually think it would be a fantastic help around the house." (12:30)

• A detour on ‘kissing the dead at funerals’, leading to fears about “dead body diseases” and family routines:

  "Amber always goes in for a smooch of the dead body to pay her respects... I read that you can get, like, certain dead body diseases.” (18:39)

Timestamp Highlights:

• [12:23–19:32] — Childrearing, family rituals, and darkly comedic funeral chat.

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5. Moving House: Organisation, Clothes, and "Doing the Work"

• Joanne recounts her move, the overwhelm of unpacking, and the embarrassment of having too many clothes:

  "My mind was blown. What I've realized is now I have an embarrassing amount of clothes. I mean genuinely like an embarrassing amount." (21:15)

• Vogue reframes this, encouraging Joanne to appreciate her wardrobe, but Joanne confesses to existential worries:

  "All I have to show for myself is clothes. I've built nothing. I've done nothing. And then I had to have a therapy session. And then, yes, I was in the garden doing some inner child work. It's been a real journey." (21:59)

• Joanne resolves to “do the work”—referencing Dr. Nicole LePera’s self-help book—and comes off Instagram (sort of):

  "I am off Instagram and I'm doing the work. What the work is, I don't know. I've just started doing it." (23:09)

Timestamp Highlights:

• [19:50–24:30] — Moving house drama, clothes-shame, therapy, and self-work journeys.

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6. Relationships, Age Gaps & Scandalous Stories

• They riff about Noel Gallagher dating a woman two years older than his daughter:

  Vogue: “Would you not be raging if your dad's going out with someone that's two years older than you?” (28:24) Joanne: “…28 for a famous man. I mean, she's quite mature.” (31:04)

• Joanne confesses past party faux pas, and both debate what age difference they’d tolerate in partners.
• Vogue’s tongue-in-cheek reflection:

  "Maybe if I was single again... I just turn into, like, the ultimate Jorge." (32:10)

Timestamp Highlights:

• [28:24–32:54] — Dating younger partners, media skepticism, and celebrity relationship shenanigans.

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7. Twin Betrayal: The Zadig & Voltaire Affair

• Vogue shares the saga of the Zadig & Voltaire founder having an affair with his wife’s identical twin:

  "He's married to one of the twins... then starts having an affair with the other twin... the twins start seeing [each other's exes]." (33:39–34:09)

• Both are genuinely aghast at the scenario, exploring how painful and complex such a betrayal would be:

  Joanne: “Stories like that make me change my mind...I mean, that is the cruelest, meanest, wildest thing you could do to your sister!" (35:06)

• They further spiral into talk about refusing to date friends’ or siblings’ exes, keeping a strict personal boundary.

Timestamp Highlights:

• [33:22–37:19] — Celebrity twin-swap affairs, family loyalty, and the etiquette of exes.

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8. Wrapping Up: Hobbies, Pottery, and Growing as a Person

• Joanne expresses a drive to take up new hobbies (pottery, paddle tennis), to enrich her life beyond buying clothes and drinking wine:

  "I'm hoping to be in a toxic situationship by the end of the summer. Perfect." (33:12)

• Banter continues as Vogue teases her lack of hobbies, and they probe the benefits—and the chaos—of broadening their worlds with new activities.

Timestamp Highlights:

• [25:13–28:17 & 41:41–32:54] — Hobbies, pottery, sport plans, and life expansion.

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• Joanne on Katie Price's “ghosting”:

  "This is nuclear. This is... you are a global toxic man. Allegedly." (02:50)

• Vogue on embracing aging:

  "It's just not normal how much I... I can't get enough of the place." (06:44)

• Joanne on moving house:

  "All I have to show for myself is clothes. I've built nothing. I've done nothing." (21:59)

• Vogue on the cost of embalming:

  "Don't be scrimping on me. I want to be fully embalmed. Not the cheap one either." (18:11)

• Both on twin drama:

  Joanne: "That is the cruelest, meanest, wildest thing you could do to your sister..." (35:06)
  Vogue: "Imagine giving him a blow job and you're like, I know where this has been. Yuck." (35:59)

• Joanne’s self-improvement ambition:

  "I'm doing the work. What the work is, I don't know. I've just started doing it, and then hopefully it happens. Whatever the work is." (23:09)

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Quick Reference — Key Segments & Timestamps

• Katie Price Saga & Ghosting: 00:41–06:22
• Center Parcs Obsession: 06:44–09:44
• Aging & Embalming Chat: 13:09–19:09
• Family, Kids, and Funeral Rituals: 12:23–19:32
• Home Moves, Clothes Shame, "The Work": 19:50–24:30
• Celebrity Dating, Age-Gap Relationships: 28:24–32:54
• Twin Betrayal, Ex Etiquette: 33:22–37:19
• Hobbies, Pottery, Finding Yourself: 25:13–28:17; 41:41–32:54

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Tone & Language

The episode is upbeat, irreverent, and honest—laced with the pair's signature wit, shared mockery, and supportive friendship. The humour pulls no punches, yet more serious musings on loneliness, growth, and boundaries add heart and relatability. If you’re after a blend of real talk, wild anecdotes, and fiercely funny perspectives, this is classic "My Therapist Ghosted Me."

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Transcript

[Joe]

This is a Global Player original podcast.

[Vogue Williams]

Noel Gallagher's gone out with a 28 year old now and his daughter's 26.

[Joanne McNally]

Then of course, I started sparring. I was like, oh my God, all I have to show for myself is clothes. And then I have to have a therapy session. And then yesterday I was in the garden doing some inner child work. It's been a real journey.

[Vogue Williams]

Is this just not like Katie Price has been ghosted? Like it's happened to all of us and she just. This might be her first ghosting and she's like, oh my God, he's been kidnapped. But it's like, no, this is called ghosting.

[Joanne McNally]

Nothing like a bit of girl on girl to send you off to the afterlife, huh?

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, God.

[Joanne McNally]

Hello, welcome to. My therapist ghosted me with myself, Joanne McNally and herself, Vog Williams. We can't, we can't move on with our lives. We can't move on with the podcast or our lives until we do a teeny tiny update on the biggest news story to hit since Wag of the Christie, which is the missing husband of Katie Price, Lee Andrews. Wow, wow, wow. Leandrews since we last spoke Vogue. Are you following this story? I'm, I'm kind of. It's so wild. I'm actually struggling to follow it. Yeah, it's everywhere.

[Vogue Williams]

And I think that he is, I'd say that he is absolutely thrilled with the amount of press coverage he's getting because you could work for TV and you could work in TV for 20 years in the UK and not as many people would know you. As many people know Lee Andrews now because he has, yeah, supposedly been kidnapped.

[Joanne McNally]

Well, as an, as an ex publicist, I will say there is a saying, as we know. Well, there's a couple. One of them is, it's pure, not Eeyore, which is always helpful to remember. That's ah, for our UK listeners. Also, all press is good press, I will say, even myself, who's a press, I love a bit of press. I don't agree. I don't think that saying works here. I think this man's reputation, legacy, in life will be borderline destroyed whenever he decides to come out of hiding, if he is in hiding. And also grand for him because he's caused a lot of damage, a lot of damage. There's a lot of broken women in his past, a lot of women he's ripped off. But anyway, so he's gone missing, as we know.

[Vogue Williams]

Sorry, can I just, can I just cut in there? Let me just cut in there. Slightly Sorry. And not to be a. You always say that when you're about to be a. I don't. I don't think he had. I don't think his reputation was like that stellar. That what he's doing now is kind of damaging it. You know what I mean? So I think that he was kind of at a level where it doesn't. It's. It's okay. It's okay. Well, not going to say about his life.

[Joanne McNally]

You're right. What I like. Oh, no. I would say. I'd say this will change his life because ultimately he's been outed. So he was living as a private con man who was still in a position to con women, AKA Katie Price, who married him within a week. So he. So this. Now, there's no hiding now. This is like. This is. This is nuclear. This is. You are a global toxic man. Allegedly.

[Vogue Williams]

I just.

[Joanne McNally]

I don't even think anymore.

[Vogue Williams]

I'm like.

[Joanne McNally]

Her and Olivia did a funny tik tok the other day about. They were like looking for their husbands. My. So we obviously know she gave up the search after five days. She's. Then. Really. He didn't. She. He didn't contact her on her birthday. So she was very upset about that.

[Vogue Williams]

Apparently he followed. He followed another woman.

[Joanne McNally]

Yes. He fought another woman who has since come out and been like, she's now made a statement being like, I don't know who this lad is. We never even messaged and I've blocked him. So I'd say what he was doing was he was doing a creep. You know when you accidentally like something or he accidentally followed someone, he was doing a bit of a creep. Or Katie, who says she has access to his Insta or access to his social media. His Facebook was also doing a creep. In other news, I was going to say, if you have to have access to your husband's socials after two weeks. And now I'm not. Not great. Not great. I usually give that a month. Anyway, he didn't contact Katie for her birthday. Katie then released a single. A single with a collage of photos about him and about how much she missed him on her birthday. Now, I will say, usually the birthday trumps everything. Birthdays and Christmases, people come out of the woodwork and they're like, oh, happy birthday. It's an excuse to contact. So he's not even doing that. I mean, it's all very embarrassing and humiliating.

[Vogue Williams]

I know, but is this just not like Katie Price has been ghosted? Like it's happened to all of Us. And she just. This might be her first ghosting. And she's like, oh, my God, he's been kidnapped. But it's like, no, this is called ghosting. It's not actually being kidnapped.

[Joanne McNally]

Dubai have asked her, the police have asked her to come out and do like a national appeal on the TV to find him and stuff. His father has come back to say he's actually in prison. Katie's come out to say that's fake news. The drama rolls on. The drama rolls on.

[Vogue Williams]

I would tend to maybe believe the dad. And let's be honest, Dubai needs some like Dubai are thrilled about this level of press they're getting because it hasn't been great the last year. So this might bring people back into the country.

[Joanne McNally]

Sure, yeah. Leandre's the face of Dubai. Sure, yeah, yeah. I do think, though, I mean, I'm very pro Katie, as you know, but when the single was released, I did think, huh, huh. Maybe she knows something we don't know.

[Vogue Williams]

I don't know what I will say about Katie Price is last week I was like, God, what a load of shit. I'm so sick of this. But when she released the CBD oil and then she released a single, I thought, you know what? Fair play to.

[Joanne McNally]

She's the best fair lady.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah.

[Joanne McNally]

Now people are like, let's get this to number one. Like, it's, you know, it's like this. This feels. Oh, okay. And taking the piss with Olivia Atwood, I was like, I think she's. I think she knows what's up. I don't think she thinks he's. I don't think she'll be doing the appeal on national TV in Dubai is what I would say. Because, I mean, that's going to escalate it to a whole new level. Yeah.

[Vogue Williams]

I say, do the appeal. Do the appeal. Lee, don't come out yet. Stay where you are.

[Joanne McNally]

I don't know. I mean, the man, the man must have had a face transplant at this stage. Like, every Hun in Dubai would be looking for him. I don't understand how he hasn't been spotted at this point. Like, it's crazy. Tell me before I launch into my house news, is there any urgent news from Central Parks? You're just enjoying mothering and having your kids around.

[Vogue Williams]

That's. It's just not normal. How much I, like, honestly, I've started, I was like, do you know this is where I'm coming for Christmas? I've decided, you know, when I just get, like, I just. I can't get Enough of the place. I can't.

[Joanne McNally]

I want to buy shares. I'm not. Oh, God, here we go. Which means I'll end up trying to buy shares because I don't know what I'm doing, and I just copy everything you're doing.

[Vogue Williams]

So we're buying shares in Central Parks.

[Joanne McNally]

I'm putting a tenor into Central Parks. Joe, write that down now. Tenor. Central Parks.

[Vogue Williams]

What's that thing called when you buy it? We've bought the. What's it called when you can buy a bit of McDonald's, you can buy a bit of Burger King. What's it called?

[Joanne McNally]

The franchise. We bought franchise.

[Vogue Williams]

Franchise to center parks.

[Joanne McNally]

No, center perks.

[Vogue Williams]

Center perks. Do you want a spa here for you?

[Joanne McNally]

Center perks. Nothing to do with the original center parks. If anyone's listening, for legal reasons, I. You buy Mo. You buy, like, the.

[Vogue Williams]

The.

[Joanne McNally]

The center. And I'll invest in the perks. So I'll put the money into the bar for the kids and the. Any kind of inflatable pool noodles. I'll buy that. But I do want 50% when you sell it. Suffer.

[Vogue Williams]

Okay. Yeah. Well, you know what I do.

[Joanne McNally]

They have the styrofoam floater.

[Vogue Williams]

Styrofoam floaters. Wait, let's see what they just updated the lake with.

[Joanne McNally]

I. I can't wait. You know, I love a lake

[Vogue Williams]

There. There is both. And on Wednesday between. Wednesday to Fri. It's Friday. They have an inflatable, like, thing that you go on, like, gladiators kind of vibe in the middle of the lake. Listen, Wednesday can't come quick enough. I know it's tomorrow, but I wish it was today.

[Joanne McNally]

Did you whip out your skills? Did they give you a ladder? Did the. Did the Internet kick off? Did you. Did you cheat?

[Vogue Williams]

Did you. Yes, I wore a full scuba suit on that. That's how I planned my cheating. Around.

[Joanne McNally]

There you go.

[Vogue Williams]

But I looked into center park because I just. I like. I. When I see a business like this, I'm so, like. I'm so nosy about how it runs and, like, how much money they might earn. The profit this place makes is outrageous. You have never. Honestly, I. And they're building more lodges. I'm like, I'm sure you're building more bloody lodges. It's just. But it's. It's such a good product is what I do feel.

[Joanne McNally]

I do feel at this stage, your love of Central Parks. And by the way, this is not a sponsored read. I mean, how they have an.

[Vogue Williams]

Actually, Joe.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah.

[Joe]

As much as this sounds like an advert.

[Joanne McNally]

It's really not. She's just genuinely mad about Central parks. I think you should somehow be involved with them in a professional way. You love them.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah. The problem is they're. They're making too much money on their own. They don't need people like me. They don't even want investment anymore. They're like, no, thanks. It's like. It's like me trying to invest into Apple from. From the prices of 20 years ago. They'd be like, no, yeah, we're actually all right, thank you.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, I understand. Actually, I actually completely understand. You're like, does matter need. They need to chip in at any point. You're like, no, we're actually fine.

[Vogue Williams]

Hello, Mr. Bezos. Remember when you started Amazon from your garage? I'd like to invest at that stage, please.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, I'd like my little time travel machine. Go back and invest. Then it'd be like me trying to invest in like I Beta.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh. To buy a property there before it blew up.

[Joanne McNally]

Well, the island, but yes, we'll say property. I was thinking if you were to really go back to basics. When I beat the kind of started kicking off, I was like, you know what? I'll buy it, chip in, run it like James Blunt. He did that. He basically. He basically owns. I beat the name. Our new pal.

[Vogue Williams]

Hang on. Oh, my God. Yeah, he was on the Traders. Oh, God. Guys, we got a snippet. But I already knew that. Amber's. Amber said.

[Joanne McNally]

Well, I mean, yeah, she's like public info.

[Vogue Williams]

Amber's like, she must have told you something. Why didn't she tell you? I was like, amber, Joanne is a. I didn't realize. She hasn't told me a morsel. But, you know, I'll be happy about that in October, but I'm gonna hold a grudge until then.

[Joanne McNally]

I hope you understand I'm in my discretion era. I mean, I'm as. I'm the most surprised of anyone. And FYI, I got a message from the TV people, the execs, to thank me and to congratulate me on not saying anything. And I was like, thank you so much. Thank you so much. If there was a prize.

[Vogue Williams]

I haven't been out drinking with her yet.

[Joanne McNally]

If there was a prize for to discretion, I would nominate myself and then tell everyone.

[Vogue Williams]

I would not nominate. I'd nominate you as quickly as. As I'd nominate our friend James o', Neill, who has. It doesn't physically have a large mouth, but by God, that man can gossip.

[Joanne McNally]

Some people run Their mouths. They run their mouths.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Joanne McNally]

I used to be a bit of a mouth runner but I'm, I'm a kind of a changed person. I was never a mouth runner with serious stuff. It was more just, you know, I loved a bit of goss but I'm, I'm more discreet now. As you get older, you realize what's for you won't pass you by.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh God, she's so philosophical today.

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[Vogue Williams]

So I have taken my brother's two kids to Central Parks as well. Because I said to myself, I said you're going to have four kids soon.

[Joanne McNally]

God, you want his rush.

[Vogue Williams]

How will it feel to have five now my niece is like she is she, I mean she's raising herself, she's raising my kids too while we're here. So she, and she's only, she's only 10. I called her nine yesterday which was not a good move. She's 10 and she just, she just looks after everyone. She's an absolute dream. But I could handle. If the child came out at 10 years old, I don't even think I'd notice. I actually think it would be a fantastic help around the house. So I'm going to leave it in there now.

[Joanne McNally]

Cook it as far as you can. I would like to give birth to an 18 year old daughter so we can immediately just hit the bars. Isn't it, isn't it gas away? When you're a child you're desperate to be elder. And when I was, I was out for lunch with my friend Susan the other day and the waiter, I don't know how I came up. I don't know. Did he ask? I think I was talking about myself. Of course it was. And I went, I'm a 42 year old woman. And she's like you're 43? And I was like, oh yeah, I accidentally deducted a year off myself. But no, no corrections Corner.

[Vogue Williams]

Spencer ages me up as soon like on my birthday of like let's say this year I'm 41. I the 2nd of October, the day I turned 41. Spenny will be like to me, but you're now in your 42nd year, so you're 42. I'm like, that's not how it works, Spencer.

[Joanne McNally]

Pathetic.

[Vogue Williams]

This is not how maths works. And you're actually being cruel.

[Joanne McNally]

Why are we so scared of aging, Joe, huh?

[Vogue Williams]

It's because we're going to die.

[Joe]

Aging is a privilege.

[Joanne McNally]

Aging is.

[Joe]

Gets to do it.

[Joanne McNally]

Aging is a privilege. And especially our generation with the fish sperm and the botox. It's a proper privilege.

[Vogue Williams]

Do you know who I was looking at the other day? Remember that saint? The young boy who died when he was like 16 and he's been turned into a saint over beside S. St. Francis of Assisi. He died 20 years ago and he looks perfect. Like, is that not mad? Well, it has to be.

[Joanne McNally]

Hold on a second. Well, they've obviously embalmed him.

[Vogue Williams]

I know, but like the embalming can't be that. Everyone goes a bit haggerty with embalming. He can't look just like a normal. He looks like an asleep human. Like, he just looks normal.

[Joanne McNally]

I'd say the Vatican. I mean they have a bit of cash behind them. I'd say they've got a high end bomber, you know, look at tootin cam in. He's fresh as, I think.

[Vogue Williams]

I don't know if.

[Joanne McNally]

Well, okay, not fresh as folk. Okay, no, he might be fresh as folk now. He wouldn't be. You wouldn't be bringing him out in the town. But I'm saying the embalming, I mean, it can really go a long way. I, I look forward to getting it done myself.

[Vogue Williams]

You know how I, I, we should, we should start now. They look so good that I think that we're doing the wrong stuff for ourselves. We should just start embalming ourselves.

[Joanne McNally]

I know once we die, that's what we're gonna really excel physically. But the I would say because the whole thing about being a saint, isn't it that you don't go off? Is that kind of it? I'd say they're trying to trick us. Then, like, it's like, look, tell Jesus saying he hasn't gone off yet, but actually I think they're embalming on the slide, probably regularly. I mean, you know, like, I wouldn't trust them as far as I could look. And trouble.

[Vogue Williams]

I know, but the only thing I'll say about that, Joseph Stalin also looks kind of okay. And I don't think he was in the same level as sainthood as the saint.

[Joanne McNally]

I Do think as well when they put people on display. They do. Joseph. Joe, will you Google there? Why does Joseph Stalin look so good, dad?

[Joe]

Exactly that.

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[Joanne McNally]

Let's get into. Let's do what we do best, which is investigative serious journalism.

[Vogue Williams]

We're investigating the stuff that you'd never even think of asking. But then you're like, actually, I want to know the answer to that.

[Joanne McNally]

Exactly. Now, maybe. Maybe Joseph was a. What? Joseph Stalin was a. Was a client of Katrina Ryan, our dermatologist. If that's the case, it explains everything. Or Ewan, our Botox man.

[Vogue Williams]

I'm going in to see Katrina on Thursday. I'm actually going to ask for a touch. I'll have a. I can't have Botox. I know I can't have Botox. Can I have a bit of embalming?

[Joanne McNally]

Yes.

[Vogue Williams]

That's what I get, a bit of embalming.

[Joe]

Wikipedia. Stalin's embalmed body maintained its lifelike appearance because it was preserved using the Soviet Union's highly guarded extreme embalming technique.

[Joanne McNally]

Very go. I mean. I mean. I mean there. Can hardly claim him as a saint. He was a right.

[Joe]

Injections, chemical baths, frequent restoration of the decaying flesh.

[Joanne McNally]

There you go. Now start saving up for that. I'd say that's quite. Quite pricey. Is it, Joe? Do they have a cost on that?

[Joe]

On the micro injections? Yeah, we can have a look.

[Joanne McNally]

Ask Google. Joe, how much does it cost to get embalmed?

[Vogue Williams]

Will be skeletons within the year.

[Joanne McNally]

I have a mortgage now, so I might have to do it on Klarna.

[Joe]

Oh, it can be incredibly cheap.

[Joanne McNally]

Go on, how much?

[Joe]

Prices start from a hundred pounds.

[Joanne McNally]

What?

[Vogue Williams]

That's you on.

[Joe]

That's for your basic embalming.

[Vogue Williams]

100 quid. You're last in the wake. Do you know what I mean? Like, if you're gonna.

[Joanne McNally]

You're.

[Vogue Williams]

You're barely getting through the wake.

[Joanne McNally]

Sorry, where? I mean, you wouldn't get embalmed for. You wouldn't even get your hair and makeup done. Dead for 100 quid in Ireland.

[Vogue Williams]

I now, I don't know. I think someone must have spent 100 quid on my dad because when he was embalmed, by day three, his nose was looking a bit funny.

[Joanne McNally]

I. I don't think he was embalmed, though. I don't think they embalmed like randomers. I think you've told.

[Vogue Williams]

Everybody gets embalmed. All bodies are embalmed.

[Joanne McNally]

No, they don't. They get vacuumed out of all their blood and organs and they get.

[Vogue Williams]

And Then they get embalmed.

[Joanne McNally]

Joe, can you please google there? Do us. Do all bodies get embalmed? Because they don't. Otherwise we'd be.

[Joe]

They wouldn't specifically to Ireland. Here, aren't we?

[Vogue Williams]

Funerals. Do anyone having a funeral, Are they getting involved?

[Joe]

Is that right?

[Joanne McNally]

Do regular people automatically get embalmed? There's definitely. I know they got hair and makeup and they. And they. And I. And they use spray paint.

[Vogue Williams]

I know they get hair, makeup. They do.

[Joanne McNally]

They get a glam and go. It's the last glam and go they have. They get a glam and go.

[Vogue Williams]

I thought they embalmed all bodies when people died.

[Joanne McNally]

Not a hope. Not a hope.

[Vogue Williams]

Don't be scrimping on me. I want to be fully embalmed. Not the cheap one either.

[Joe]

It looks like it's not routine. It says it's fairly widespread because of. Because of viewing the body and stuff. But there's no regulation.

[Joanne McNally]

That means there's no time to embalm anyone. In Ireland we're dead and buried within 12 hours. Well, in the UK they want the embalming because there's quite the queue because they're running out of land. That's what I heard.

[Vogue Williams]

I would say though, you're any. For any body kissers out there. My sister's not here. I've already discussed it with her. Amber always goes in for a smooch of the dead body to pay her respects. And I read that you can get like certain dead body diseases. Really? That's where you can get stuff off them. Yeah, because of like the stuff that they're like radiating out of them. And Amber's just there lingering on top, waiting for her final smooch like a sicko.

[Joanne McNally]

Are you sure that's.

[Vogue Williams]

She doesn't even know. Yeah, Amber doesn't even know that. Well, yeah, that's. I like.

[Joanne McNally]

I like that. I'd like to get a little smooch off Amber. Keep an eye on her hands, make sure she's behaving herself.

[Vogue Williams]

I'll tie them around your back. I wouldn't trust you. We won't leave her alone with the body, okay?

[Joanne McNally]

No, no. I don't be watched overnight by Amber. You wouldn't know what you get up to.

[Vogue Williams]

Why is Joanne's top on back to front? He definitely dressed him.

[Joanne McNally]

Nothing like a bit of girl on girl to send you off to the afterlife, huh?

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, God.

[Joanne McNally]

My final feel. I need to tell you about my move. I've been quite triggered by the whole thing. I'm so basically moved In Caroline, obviously. All hail the gods that are Caroline. They pack everything up, they dismantle everything, they bring it down to the new house, they rebuild it. And they're also very sound. And then I hired the people that you recommended to me. Home reset. Yeah.

[Vogue Williams]

Hazel.

[Joanne McNally]

Hazel. And now again, it's a very bougie thing to do, but I. Well, it's not actually, it's actually not. I think it's actually quite reasonably priced considering what they're doing, which is unpacking and organizing everything with military precision. But I am aware, look, it is a, you know, it's a, it's a. That I.

[Joe]

Luxury.

[Joanne McNally]

It's a. Look, it is a bit of a luxury. Yeah, it is a luxury. But my God, when I. I just wouldn't be able to do it on my own. I just, like I say, I just don't have what I was trying to competence anymore.

[Vogue Williams]

Joanne rang me from Traders and I was like, you need somebody to help you unpack? Like, you'll be like, you'll. You'll have moved in and there'll be boxes there by the end of next year. I was like, you have to get someone to help you.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, no, no, no. They came in and my God, they were in. Like, it's just. I was. My mind was blown. What I've realized is now I have an embarrassing amount of clothes. I mean genuinely like an embarrassing amount. They took them all out because I had vacuum packed them because obviously I copy everything you do. I had them in suitcases from trips I've never unpacked. I'm surprised didn't find a body in one of those suitcases. There was still.

[Vogue Williams]

I say you found amazing stuff though. Did you?

[Joanne McNally]

I found amazing stuff. I have 1, 2, 3. So I have a. I've bought a two bedroomed house. Really? Okay. There's a. There's another like little kind of room that is. I mean, maybe the nursery for Magalu Funday. I don't know, but it's a very, very small room. It's like for a desk, you know.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah.

[Joanne McNally]

I was gonna have an extra room as, as a, as a spare room. Obviously. That's the whole point. I'm an adult now. I'm 43. I need to have a spare. I don't want to invite my mom over and put her on the couch, you know. But there's so many rails of clothes now. There's 1, 2, 3, 6 rails of clothes. Six. You know those rails that you buy off Argos or whatever, wherever you buy them.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah.

[Joanne McNally]

And you put them up yourself. There is six of them. Jam. One, two, three, four, maybe. Yeah, six. When I say it's embarrassing. And I was like, oh, my God. And then, of course, I started sprouting. I was like, oh, my God. All I have to show for myself is clothes. I've built nothing. I've done nothing. And then I had to have a therapy session. And then, yes, I was in the garden doing some inner child work. It's been a real journey.

[Vogue Williams]

I have six rails of clothes, and that's my clothes, like, narrowed down. Most of my clothes were in storage. So I like. And I'm actually. When I walk around, I'm like, I walk around. I'm delighted with the clothes that I've accumulated. You have to just reframe how you think about the clothes.

[Joanne McNally]

I mean, and I hate to. I hate to throw this back into your court, but you also have 3.5 children and a husband. I have nothing.

[Vogue Williams]

Just close. You have a house. You have a house.

[Joanne McNally]

I was like, oh, my God, my life is empty. My life is empty. After nothing. After nothing. Then I tried to go unhinged, and I was like, oh, my God, I can't. I can't. So anyway, I now have. I bought a book called how to do the Work, and that's what I'm doing, is the work. Yeah. And I've come off Instagram.

[Joe]

Good.

[Vogue Williams]

That's a good start.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah. Well, of course, I'm checking back and forth. I am waiting for a reply off Vanessa Felt. So I'm in and out of Instagram to wait to hear from Vanessa. But other than that, I am off Instagram and I'm doing the work. What the work is, I don't know. I've just started doing it, and then hopefully it happens. Whatever the work is.

[Vogue Williams]

Do you remember the book Let Them came out and someone read me a bit of it and I was like, why is she saying stuff that we all already know? I feel like everyone's been duped into Let them. This is not. This is not new material.

[Joanne McNally]

Melanie Robbins, when she was basically telling everyone to go themselves, and then someone else came out and said, she stole that. Yeah, she stole the let them thing off me and the whole thing was a high drama. No, no. This is by a woman called Dr. Nicole Lapera. She is a holistic psychologist. Recognize your patterns. Heal from your past, and create yourself. I'm pouring into myself. If anyone's looking for me, I'll be in the garden, searching for my inner child, pouring into myself. And it Won't be Pino for once. It'll be ceramics and self care.

[Vogue Williams]

Well, can I just say, you've been on a pretty hefty tour for the last six months. You've moved house, you're in a new home that you've just bought. I think that you might be being a little bit too hard on yourself and not remembering all the good things that you've also done.

[Joanne McNally]

Well, do you know what? It was as well, because I'm so used to living on Clapham Common where you wake up and there's all the buses and people are screaming and people are cycling, laughing, and you're like, oh, I'm in the world. This house is. It's. I woke up and I was like, oh, my God. Oh, my God, where is everyone?

[Vogue Williams]

You don't hear it?

[Joanne McNally]

You could hear a pin drop. If I was the kind of woman who had pins or knew where they were. And I was like, oh, my God, I'm all alone. I'm alone. When the home reset, women were leaving, I was almost gonna. I was willing to pay them for. To. For an extra day. I was like, why are you going? They're like, well, we have to go. And I was like, would you come back? Would you come back? So anyway, I'm doing the work and I've also joined a pottery course.

[Vogue Williams]

That's nice. I'm doing pottery today. That's one of my favorite activities. There's a pottery place around the corner from me, and the pottery is pre made, actually. But I would like to go to one where we make the pottery. I'm happy to do that.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah. So it's ceramics class. I mean, I think I'm going to move into ceramics.

[Vogue Williams]

I mean, if you're planning on meeting a man. Is this instead of hinge, you're gonna. That's not. Probably not the right place to meet somebody at a ceramic.

[Joanne McNally]

No, I'm over that. But this is like. Remember when you wouldn't play tennis with me because you're quite good and you knew I'd be shit? I feel this is ceramics. This is. I feel like I'm gonna be like some sort of ceramic souvant, and I don't think you have that in you, so I might have to get another partner.

[Vogue Williams]

Okay. Do you want me to put you onto Naomi Cassidy, my art teacher and auntie, and she'll tell you how good I am. Have you seen the fucking pottery cottage I made when I was in here? Because it's like. Except.

[Joanne McNally]

Well, no, weirdly, I have not.

[Vogue Williams]

And Also competitive.

[Joe]

She is. You can't. You can't challenge her. That you're going to be better at pottery.

[Vogue Williams]

And also, Joanne, I'm too. I can't run anymore. So I'll play tennis with you now. I'm not good anymore.

[Joanne McNally]

Oh, thanks. Thanks.

[Vogue Williams]

I can play now. For the next couple of months, I'll play with you. I think you'd be better off with

[Joanne McNally]

one of those tennis machines that just throws them out. What's that? What are they called?

[Vogue Williams]

I would like to take a paddle with you. I have never played paddle, so I would like to take up as a thing to do together. We should take a paddle. We'll get a little lesson.

[Joanne McNally]

I'd love that one. It's time. It's time to broaden my horizons. I've. I feel I've. I've. I've worked my tits off and I've made my world quite small, and I'm. I want to make my world big again, so I'm open to all and everything.

[Vogue Williams]

Wouldn't it be nice to tell somebody like, oh, what's your hobby? You could actually say something like paddle instead of, oh, I know. Well, I enjoy socializing with my friends.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, I'd love to have a hobby drinking. I'd love to have a hobby other than drinking wine, buying clothes, and trying to get my hairline back. I'm like, surely there's more to life.

[Vogue Williams]

They actually sound like all right, hobbies to me, though. I think those hobbies sound really like, I'm endeared by you when I hear things like that. I'm like, I'd like her.

[Joanne McNally]

I'm shocked. I'm confronted where they unpacked all the clothes. I'm confronted with my own basicness. It was jarring. And, yeah, I'm changing it up.

[Vogue Williams]

I just don't care. But I'm ceramics.

[Joanne McNally]

Charity work, food bank. I don't know. I'm changing it up.

[Vogue Williams]

I'll jump in. I'll jump in on the paddle. I might pop in for a ceramic or two. But I really want to get involved in paddle. Also, by the way, I went bowling last night, and usually it's the one sport that I'll say, listen, I'm shit at bowling. I'm not good at bowling. I don't know what's happened. Maybe it's the pregnancy, maybe it's the way the balance of I am now, but I was brilliant last night. Everyone was shocked. Strike, strike, strike, strike, strike. Coming out my ears, really. And I am so bad at bowling. Easy. I Can only put it down to having a bump and the weight distribution being different, because I am not.

[Joanne McNally]

You do have a qualification in construction and I'm assuming bowling is very, you know, you kind of have to work out what. What's going to fall where in the weight of things.

[Vogue Williams]

No, I wouldn't say bowling's similar to construction at all. But I like where you were going with that. I like where you were going with it. I was. I have something to ask and I'm not being judgmental. It's just because. Oh, God, I feel like I've somebody. I know. It's. But I feel bad. So Noel Gallagher, as, you know, great friends, he just doesn't know it. Noel Gallagher's gone out with a 28 year old now and his daughter's 26. Now I know that people with like, different age gaps can work sometimes. I don't think it would be particularly for me, but, like, would you not be raging if you're his daughter and your dad's going out with someone that's two years older than you?

[Joanne McNally]

Are you. Are we sure now that this is not an AI. Fake news clickbait story? Is this real?

[Vogue Williams]

I've seen. Listen, it was in the Daily Mail, so I am assuming it's completely 100% gospel. Well, are you looking at it, Joe? You haven't seen that. How do you feel? How does that make you feel, as such a big fan?

[Joe]

I was just making sure that what you said is true because obviously there. We have legal obligations to.

[Vogue Williams]

You two are trash, by the way, because you're always. You're always fact checking me.

[Joanne McNally]

You know what? As well. Do you know what I was thinking as well? Because I. I've been thinking a lot recently, which is just never.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, Joe, this isn't. No, it's not good for us. No, no, no, no. No more drinking, please. Johan.

[Joanne McNally]

I haven't listened to the podcast. I promise. I haven't gone that dark yet, but I will.

[Vogue Williams]

God, it's going to come.

[Joanne McNally]

Remember I went to the Oasis after party and the third tour manager was very kind to invite me to the General, but you, you. You weren't. I can't remember. Anyway, whatever. Remember we went to the Oasis?

[Vogue Williams]

No, I wasn't invited. There's no, there's no way of sugarcoating that. I wasn't invited.

[Joanne McNally]

Well, okay, that's. We'll. Oh, yeah, fine. Anyway, you. Too many people with you. That was it now.

[Vogue Williams]

It was.

[Joanne McNally]

It was.

[Vogue Williams]

No, it wasn't.

[Joanne McNally]

You were doing your usual thing of like, I Well, I don't roll with less than 12 people on a night out. All my aunts, uncles, sisters, cousins, and babies are coming. But I. I then went on and I was doing this, like, little bit about the after party. Now, it wasn't even particularly funny, just about the fact that, like, it was quite, like, reserved and that I was going to wait until they relapsed and then I was going to join the party again. And it since. It since struck me. I was like, what an ungrateful little swine you are, Joanne. You got access to a. An oasis after party, and then you went around slagging it off.

[Vogue Williams]

I saw you slagging it off. You were the last woman standing.

[Joanne McNally]

Well, no, I know that. Yeah, but I was. I did. I was doing little bits on chat shows about it. My point is, whatever no wants to do, I'm. I'm. I'm in favor. I have nothing negative to say about the man anymore because I would like to go back to the next after party and you know what I mean. 28 for a famous man. I mean, it. She's quite. She's quite mature.

[Vogue Williams]

I just don't know.

[Joanne McNally]

Maybe she's a friend of his daughters. You know, friendship is a great start to her.

[Vogue Williams]

Imagine, like, there would be that.

[Joanne McNally]

Sorry about all the. About the after party. If you're listening, Liam, sorry about all this.

[Vogue Williams]

I just. Can I be honest? I'm just glad that my dad died when he did, because I'm telling you, Joanne would have fancied the pants off him and I would have been unstoppable, and I just wouldn't have been able. I wouldn't like. I wouldn't have liked it.

[Joanne McNally]

You're lucky he's not embalmed. I dig him up. I actually just covered my own mouth when I said that.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, well, I don't know.

[Joanne McNally]

I don't know.

[Vogue Williams]

Maybe. Well, hang on. I haven't finished about Null yet. I just. Maybe it's because. Right, okay. Maybe if I was single again, which you never know, but touch woods. But maybe if I was, maybe I would just like. I just. I think that I would just turn into. There'd be no more Catholic shame or guilt, and I just turn into, like, the ultimate Jorge and just be going around and it wouldn't matter. Once they were over the age of 20. I wouldn't go below 20.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, no, anything below 20 I think, is a stretch.

[Vogue Williams]

I'd go up to 70 because, I mean, Kevin Costner. Possible. You never know. You could bump into Kevin Costner. I go up to 70. And I think I'd. I'd go down to 25, maybe, because I'm.

[Joanne McNally]

Well, you can live. You can live vicariously through me. Because as much as I've said I've given up on men, I haven't actually. And I am. I am. Once I've found my inner child, I am. I'm gonna hit hinge again with a violent rage.

[Vogue Williams]

While we're looking, watch this, because there'll be a lot of payments for boosts.

[Joanne McNally]

I'm hoping to be in a toxic situationship by the end of the summer. Perfect.

[Vogue Williams]

Will I tell you a mad story that I heard? I actually heard it when I was in St. Bart's because. And then I was unsure of it, and then it popped up again onto my algorithm. So there's this. You know the company, the clothing brand Zadig and Voltaire.

[Joanne McNally]

Yes.

[Vogue Williams]

You know.

[Joanne McNally]

Yes.

[Vogue Williams]

And it's not cheap.

[Joanne McNally]

No, it's not cheap.

[Vogue Williams]

What's going on with the founder? Okay. So they have this massive house in St Boris that they're selling. So, like, everything's being like. Like it's happening. They're both breaking up, basically. I just thought it was a really mad affair because the owner of Zadig and Voltaire was married to this woman who is a twin, identical. He started having identifier identical, which I

[Joanne McNally]

think is a heavy. It's. It's. It means a lot when you're identical.

[Vogue Williams]

Identical, as in, like, the parents would probably have had trouble telling them apart if you look at the pictures of the girls. So anyway, he's married to one of the twins, the identical twins. And then he starts having an affair with the other twin, and the other twin has gone out with this other fella, a restaurateur. So then. So then they all break up. Like, as in both couples break up. So then the twins start seeing. The Zadig and Voltaire guy obviously fucked off her other sister. Her sister didn't care about her. And then the sister tried to go out with the. With the other sister's ex husband for a little while, but that didn't work out. But, like, I was just. I think I was just so shocked by it, because, first of all, as your sister, second of all, you're identical. And third, then you're like, well, it must have been my personality, because it wasn't like, you know. You know, you're like. He might have started thinking that, like, I was just Ming and he just didn't fancy me anymore. No, no. He still fancies you. Because he's now with your sister who looks the exact same as you.

[Joanne McNally]

I have to say, I've always wanted a sister. Stories like that make me change my mind. I mean, that is the cruelest, meanest, wildest thing you could do to your sister by a murderer in her sleep. Like to have an affair with your twin sister's husband. They must have serious tensions in the fact, like, you wouldn't do that if you got on with. That is such a wild pivot if you had a good relationship. I'm assuming they have one of those ultimately toxic sister relationships where they're, like, constantly backstabbing each other and slagging each other off and they obviously hate each other on some level. Who would do that?

[Vogue Williams]

I mean, who. I would ne. Like, I. I just couldn't choose someone like that over my family ever. I just couldn't do it. I just think it's.

[Joanne McNally]

So you're breaking up your whole family. And I've seen him. He's not hot.

[Vogue Williams]

He's not hot, but he kind of looks a bit like the other sister's ex husband. So they all kind of just look like each other and they're just offline. And also, I just wouldn't be able to have sex with, like, a man that I know. Imagine giving him a blow job and you're like, I know where this has been. Yuck.

[Joanne McNally]

My sister's mates.

[Vogue Williams]

It's kind of insane.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah. Do you know when you put it like that? Because even Genoni even meet someone. Like, I had a friend who started going out with this Irish guy and she was saying to me, she's English, she. And. And weird. I. I kind of had known him at one point in my life. And she was like, did you. You didn't, like, there was no. He didn't, like, hook up. Right. And I was like, no, no. Because she was like, that would be weird for me, even though it was like 20 years ago and that's a friend. Because she think that would be a little bit weird for me. I was like, no, no, don't worry. We never. We never. That was never the. That was never the vibe. But, yeah, so she. I can completely. Your twin sister sick. Like, I wouldn't even hook up with anyone. You fucked up with.

[Vogue Williams]

I. Sorry, do you not remember one of my exes tried to hook up with you and we didn't even know each other that well and you still wouldn't do it?

[Joanne McNally]

Yes, well, that was more because he was an absolute boy.

[Vogue Williams]

But yes, he was a ride, though, was A ride, so.

[Joanne McNally]

Well, he was a ride.

[Vogue Williams]

Thank you.

[Joanne McNally]

He was a ride. You're welcome.

[Vogue Williams]

He was all right.

[Joanne McNally]

I took one for the team there.

[Vogue Williams]

Thank you.

[Joanne McNally]

Absolutely not. Your generals have been in the mouth of Vogue Williams. I couldn't possibly.

[Vogue Williams]

Do you know, when I can't come,

[Joanne McNally]

I can't compete with that, mate. I. I'll be lacking no matter what I do. No, no more will fit.

[Vogue Williams]

I'd be like, hum.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, exactly like, this is shit crack. I've been in way bigger mates than this. I'm like, I know.

[Vogue Williams]

Do you remember we. Well, it would actually probably. It would actually be probably better, to be honest with you, with the smaller mouth. My mouth. There's just too much room there.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah. Like throwing a sausage up Oconnell Street. Isn't that what they say?

[Vogue Williams]

Exactly. But also, do you remember we spoke? Remember we. You'd have to get those.

[Joanne McNally]

Sorry, Sorry. You know those things they put down the side of bowling alleys, other kids. The ball doesn't go off into the lane. That's what they need for your mouth to feel anything. Any resistance at all.

[Vogue Williams]

Do you remember you said, do you remember when you go inflatable, You used to go to the dentist and they stick those cotton wools things down the sides of your mouth. I'd be like, you wouldn't mind leaving them in, would you? I'll take them home with me.

[Joanne McNally]

I think we've made our points.

[Vogue Williams]

Thank you so much for listening. It's been a blast. As always, guys, we have touched on some of the world's toughest topics and I have enjoyed thoroughly working with you.

[Joanne McNally]

Thank you, Vug. I've enjoyed working with you also. And Joe, it's been fine.

[Joe]

Yeah, nice. Great.

[Vogue Williams]

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