Jojo Siwa, Curly Blow & Sticklebacks

Summary

Podcast Summary: My Therapist Ghosted Me – Episode: "Jojo Siwa, Curly Blow & Sticklebacks"

Hosts: Vogue Williams & Joanne McNally
Release Date: July 25, 2025

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1. Introduction and Technical Anecdotes [00:02 – 01:14]

Vogue Williams and Joanne McNally kick off the episode with light-hearted banter about technical issues related to podcasting. Vogue shares a personal experience about traveling to Tipperary to record with "The Johnny's Podcast," highlighting the challenges and admiration for their peers in the Irish podcasting community.

Notable Quote:

• Vogue Williams [00:44]: “I went down to do the two Johnny's podcast in Tipperary last week.”

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2. The Art of Manifesting and Personal Stories [01:14 – 05:05]

The conversation shifts to the concept of manifesting, where Vogue and Joanne humorously discuss the idea of visualizing desires to make them reality. They share amusing stories about attempting to manifest everyday items and experiences, intertwining personal anecdotes with playful skepticism.

Notable Quote:

• Vogue Williams [04:18]: “Maybe that's why I can't manifest, because when I got my laser eye, I never did the third one. So it's foggy because I only got the two main eyes done.”

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3. Childhood Eye Injuries and Family Dynamics [05:05 – 09:33]

Vogue recounts a childhood incident involving a stickleback (a thorny plant), which caused significant injury to her eye. She illustrates the tension between her need for medical attention and her mother's skepticism, who, being a nurse, doubted the severity of her pain. The story highlights the enduring impact of the injury and the complexities of parent-child relationships.

Notable Quote:

• Vogue Williams [08:15]: “...it's like there was thorns in my eye and she was driving me down...”

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4. Jojo Siwa and Relationship Scandals [16:55 – 27:27]

A substantial portion of the episode delves into the controversies surrounding Jojo Siwa's relationship with Chris Hughes. Vogue and Joanne dissect the authenticity of their relationship, questioning the significant age difference and labeling it as a potential PR stunt. They express skepticism about the genuineness of Jojo's transformation and public persona, emphasizing concerns over her influence on young fans.

Notable Quotes:

• Joanne McNally [23:49]: “...she deserves a prize because. My God.”
• Vogue Williams [27:22]: “You've to explain what it is and you've now got the trouble of explaining the biggest story.”

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5. Coldplay Concert Affair Scandal [27:38 – 33:04]

The hosts discuss a scandal that unfolded during a Coldplay concert, where a public affair between Chris Martin and a woman was caught on the big screen. They reflect on the public's reaction, the role of social media in amplifying such incidents, and the personal impact of witnessing private affairs in a public setting. The conversation also touches on the challenges of maintaining authenticity in the age of digital surveillance.

Notable Quotes:

• Vogue Williams [30:07]: “...it's the rage bait. They're obviously setting up all these shots.”
• Joanne McNally [31:45]: “...she was so bad at it, though. Like, she was so bad bringing the dehydrator to the dump...”

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6. AI-Generated Content and Media Authenticity [33:02 – 34:34]

Vogue and Joanne express frustration with the rise of AI-generated content and deepfakes, discussing how easily audiences can be deceived by fabricated media. They highlight specific examples, such as manipulated images of animals performing impossible tasks, underscoring the erosion of trust in digital media.

Notable Quotes:

• Joanne McNally [33:39]: “I was watching horses on diving boards the other day... how did they teach them that?”
• Vogue Williams [34:04]: “...it's ruining what is real, I think.”

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7. Comedy, Personal Interactions, and Closing Remarks [35:01 – 41:20]

The episode concludes with discussions about favorite comedians, personal interactions with comedians like Peter K, and humorous exchanges about planned tours. Vogue and Joanne share anecdotes about their social lives, emphasizing the camaraderie and humorous misunderstandings that characterize their friendship. They also touch upon future plans and invite listeners to engage with their content.

Notable Quotes:

• Joanne McNally [35:55]: “...comedy is so subjective. And I wouldn't, to be honest, I wouldn't have put Sandra and Peter together.”
• Vogue Williams [41:05]: “If anyone would like to make a dance remix of I Love Balls, please do send it in to [e-mail].”

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Conclusion

Throughout the episode, Vogue Williams and Joanne McNally blend humor with candid discussions on a variety of topics, ranging from personal anecdotes and childhood stories to dissecting public scandals and media authenticity. Their dynamic interplay and honest advice create an engaging and relatable listening experience, offering both laughs and insightful commentary for their audience.

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End of Summary

Transcript

[Vogue Williams]

This is a Global Player original podcast.

[Joanne McNally]

Welcome to. My therapist ghosted me with me, Vogue Williams. I'm Joanne McNally.

[Vogue Williams]

Well done. Name checks.

[Joe]

Oh, hang on. We were just talking about tech. I don't think Joanne's in the right camera.

[Vogue Williams]

What?

[Joe]

No, I think we're. No, we're using the.

[Vogue Williams]

Sorry.

[Joe]

Okay, we'll be back after these messages.

[Vogue Williams]

Speaking of technical dramas, obviously now we have all high quality equipment because of the YouTube situation, but I went down. I went down to do the two Johnny's podcast in.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah.

[Vogue Williams]

Care in Tipperary last week.

[Joanne McNally]

How long did that take you to get there?

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, it's a fair. It's a fair trek. It's a fair track.

[Joanne McNally]

Long, long way to Tipperary. Joanne.

[Vogue Williams]

Famously, it's the same goes, as the saying goes. It is. But they're worth it.

[Joanne McNally]

They are worth it.

[Vogue Williams]

They are relentlessly the largest podcast in Ireland. Me and you, we kind of wiggle around. We're always up there. We do well, but they are always number one. It's very impressive and they're sad. I like them.

[Joanne McNally]

They are a sound and they've got a. They did actually a really quite fun TV show.

[Vogue Williams]

Do you remember they did all the gaa catfish stuff, Joe.

[Joe]

Oh, that. Yeah, it was good quality. It was good content.

[Vogue Williams]

It was. Yeah, it was great quality. And I wouldn't mind, but Johnny 1 and Johnny 2. But Johnny 2 or Johnny 1, I don't know actually. What. I don't know what the chronology of them is. The one that got catfished, he's got a new girlfriend who we met online as well.

[Joanne McNally]

It's the only way to meet people these days. Sean McNally, you've got a risk of catfishing for that.

[Vogue Williams]

I was like, were you not worried you were gonna get done again?

[Joanne McNally]

And.

[Vogue Williams]

And I met her. And you know what the gas thing was. Do you know where they met?

[Joanne McNally]

Oh, she.

[Vogue Williams]

She's a big fan of our podcast folk and.

[Joanne McNally]

Well, I like her already.

[Vogue Williams]

Exactly. She's a woman of taste and standards.

[Joanne McNally]

Demure. She sounds demure and classy and elegant.

[Vogue Williams]

And high end and I would say bordering on genius and with a wicked sense of humor. And she was listening to us one day trotting down the road, and she got distracted, as sometimes women do, listening to podcasts. And she got run over because she was laughing at something I use or joke. I.

[Joanne McNally]

Or you.

[Vogue Williams]

And. And yeah, she got knocked over. And. And this was, of course, again, a funny story. And I'm pretty sure she contacted me at the time. Unless. Unless there's multiple people getting Run over listening to us. I think, I think it might only be her because I think she contacted me. Anyway, she contacted him about it and that's how they started chatting and then he copped that she was a real person and everything and all that jazz. Anyway, my point was when I went down, they have those lads, they're very smart. They have removed themselves from city life. They've removed themselves from the rat race. I was so impressed with the two Johnny's studio. And I was like, imagine we just had a studio. Imagine we lived nearby each other, we didn't travel as much and we just had a studio. Oh yeah, okay. Joe's pointing to the room cuz he's in our studio.

[Joe]

Studio. That's where I am.

[Joanne McNally]

We mean in our own home.

[Joe]

To both of you. In the center of London. Here it is.

[Vogue Williams]

We mean in our own home. They just do their part. They don't travel. They have lovely homes. I think it's time to go country.

[Joanne McNally]

Well, Joan, may I suggest Espana? If we're going to move, can we not move somewhere where it's really sunny and not raining? Well, I told you.

[Vogue Williams]

What are the comedy clubs like in Espanya though? Cuz I don't speak. I've heard.

[Joanne McNally]

Brilliant. Doesn't matter. They'll find you. They'll find you. They'll find you even funnier. And Joanne, you don't mind there's a bit of travel for work. You'd be over here. I said to Joanne last night, I'm going to start viewing houses over here. And she goes, great, great, I might buy one too. And then I said, well, you'll have to buy one first because I actually can't afford when I'm just doing what people call manifesting. Is that not. Is that not the ultimate manifest? If I go and view a house here, then I'm really manifesting. Like owning a house here. No.

[Vogue Williams]

Yes, I believe that's how manifesting works. You just put it in your mind's eye.

[Joanne McNally]

I'm gonna go sit in a Ferrari later as well.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, sit in a Ferrari, put that in your mind's eye. The third one. Apparently that's where all the good goes in all the material stuff. All the material goes through your third eye, which is the one in the middle of your forehead. Allegedly.

[Joanne McNally]

I'm gonna print out a bath full of pretend money and lay in it for hours.

[Vogue Williams]

Maybe that's why I can't manifest, because when I got my laser eye, I never did the third one. So it's foggy because I only got the two main eyes done. Maybe that's why I don't see any. Any future or I'm. I don't believe in manifesting so.

[Joanne McNally]

So one of the children poked me in the eye and now I'm worried. Remember I told you I had 20, 20 plus vision? I'm going to have to get my eyes tested again because one's not working. But people responded to my story and this. Some. One woman, her mother got poked in the eye so badly by her brother that her eye. She was blinded for the rest of her life. That was this blinded. Imagine how much. I mean, I wonder what age the child was at the time. Maybe he was a teenager. That feels to me that's why she got blinded.

[Vogue Williams]

I don't imagine a child would have the streng, would they? I don't know. I don't deal with children that regularly. Are they strong?

[Joanne McNally]

It would depend on what way they catch you. But that's the one thing in like fighting sports that's. You're not allowed to do that. You're not allowed bare knuckle boxing, you're not allowed eye gauge, mma. You're not allowed eye gauge. It's just one of those things that you're not allowed to do and I can understand why.

[Vogue Williams]

I just wouldn't have the aim. I try and. And I'd have. I ended up sticking my finger up their arse or something. I wouldn't. I just wouldn't have the aim. I'd go completely sure.

[Joanne McNally]

What a m. Oh, what a mistake. Whoops, sorry.

[Vogue Williams]

I was again confused. Wearing them like a ring. I'm so sorry about that. I can only apologize. I just don't have. I'm bad with my left and my right and all that stuff. Do you remember that I had the bit of eye business, which I'm sure I've spoken of before. We got the stickle back in the eye and then had to go down and have it. I had to wear an eye patch for months when I was a child. Did I?

[Joanne McNally]

That sort of.

[Vogue Williams]

I must have told you. We're four years in now. I must have told this story.

[Joanne McNally]

You didn't. What's a stickleback? What's a stickleback? First of all, is that. That thing you blow and all the like things go off and you make.

[Vogue Williams]

A wish or no, something of that family. But it's a sticker, not a nettle. Do you know the ones, the stickle box and they, they. Joe, can we get some fact checking here on the stickle Box.

[Joe]

I thought a stickleback to be honest. So yeah, I need to.

[Joanne McNally]

No, I actually know what you mean by it. They do stick to your. They stick to your clothes and stuff.

[Vogue Williams]

They're thorny green. They're part of a nettle, I believe.

[Joanne McNally]

Oh, now I'm confused. I don't know what a stickleback is then.

[Joe]

I can't find any plants called sticklebacks. I must be honest, I am just getting fish.

[Vogue Williams]

Well, okay, so obviously I've. There's holes in the story already, but I'll power on.

[Joanne McNally]

Is it that time your eye fell out? That time.

[Vogue Williams]

Memorize that war and I went blind.

[Joanne McNally]

Is this your first or second life?

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah. Remember in medieval England when I was done for stealing a loaf of bread?

[Joanne McNally]

I remember.

[Vogue Williams]

And then got stretched on the plank in the town square? That one.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember that.

[Vogue Williams]

Well, anyway, I was, we were in primary school and so one of the girls quite aggressively threw a stickle back on my eye. We used to throw these things at each other. They'd stick to our jumpers and stuff. So I don't know, I obviously call them sticklebacks.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, I kind of know what you mean.

[Vogue Williams]

Anyway, it caused a lot of damage to my left iris and it scratched the iris. And then my mother, because she's a nurse, didn't believe there was anything wrong with me because she's nurse. So any kind of pain that is.

[Joanne McNally]

She's an Irish mother as well.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah. Like, yeah, add nurse onto that and like unless you're holding your head in your hands, you're not going anywhere, you.

[Joanne McNally]

Know, My wrist is sore, your hand is on the floor, you're fine.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah.

[Joanne McNally]

School.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah. Unless both kneecaps have been blown out. So anyway, eventually I was in so much pain, I still to this day remember it as a 42 year old grown woman. I remember the pain every time I closed my eyes, closed my eye, it was like there was thorns in my eye and she was driving me down and I remember her saying to me, they're. Because she was bringing me to her hospital where she worked. So of course that was an extra level of pressure to be almost terminally ill if you're, if your mother was bringing you into her own hospital, that if she brought you in for nothing, she's like, I don't want to be one of those mothers, you know? And she said to me, she said to me, I remember I sitting in the. Like I was, I was going blind. And she said, there better be something wrong with Uri.

[Joanne McNally]

So you're never so happy. I was like, I was like torture you'd caused yourself.

[Vogue Williams]

I was like, oh, my God. You know when you're second guessing the agony because you're like, maybe I'm. Maybe I am looking for attention. And then went down and the doctor was like, oh, no, this is quite serious. And the relief, I was so relieved because I knew I wouldn't get beaten when I got home by Pat.

[Joanne McNally]

So your mother was relieved too?

[Vogue Williams]

She was, of course, because she's like, oh, thank God. And then they say I had to wear an eye patch for ages. And I just stand at the top of the class and the teacher look pointed at me and talked about the dangerous stickle box. Yes, there you go.

[Joanne McNally]

Anything to do with the eye is one of like, you know that, like when, when that happened to my eye, it was like this overwhelming pain where I couldn't catch my breath. I was like, yeah. And you're like, oh, my God, that's it, my eye is coming out. And I was like, you know when you're like, you know, if you hit your head, you touch your head and then look at your hand, see if there's blood. I would touch my eye and then put my hand, see if my eye was just stigmat. And it wasn't.

[Vogue Williams]

Did you ever cut an eye open in biology?

[Joanne McNally]

No, we did hearts. We did hearts. I don't remember getting my hands on an eye.

[Vogue Williams]

Was it a frog heart or something? Or did you. What school did you go to? Was a private. Was the human heart.

[Joanne McNally]

It was not private. It was. It was a heart from the butchers. I think it was just a sheep's heart or something. And then I brought it home. My dad ate it. My dad used to love eating heart.

[Vogue Williams]

I'd say, eat and have real human hearts of, like, people. Poor people today, those really posh skills. It's a. They bring in human people and then they torture them, kill them and then use their human hearts. Would I be right? They wouldn't get sticker backs like, oh, my God, I've got a crystal in the eye. It'll be like that.

[Joanne McNally]

Crap, there's diamond dust in my eyeballs. Not again, Mother.

[Vogue Williams]

I'd love to be that part. I really would. Check us out on YouTube. We're on YouTube now if you want to watch us. Our gorgeous faces, obviously. Today I'm back in the sunglasses at a heavy weekend. Conor McGregor is not running for president. That is.

[Joanne McNally]

That's what happened to my eye, by the way. I saw those dick pics and it just Exploded.

[Vogue Williams]

I know.

[Joanne McNally]

I started clawing at the eyes. Oh, no.

[Vogue Williams]

I know. Yeah. You're like, I can't wash my eyes. Didn't. Weren't Waterford Whispers doing something? They were like, there's been an upturn in the sale of bleach as people try. Irish people try to bleach their eyes to rid themselves. Basically. Anyone who missed it, I don't know how you would, but Conor McGregor was sending Dick pics to Azealia Banks and Azealia Banks outed him on his. On. On whatever. I don't know why. Because I think they have been sending Nake nudes to each other for a.

[Joanne McNally]

Couple years in 16.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah. So I don't know what's turned, but she decided she didn't want them anymore. But he insists on sending them anyway. Wouldn't be like him. Wouldn't be like him.

[Joanne McNally]

I would say. You know what, you know what made her turn? When he started putting, like, weights and stuff, pretend little baby weights on his. Like, I mean, imagine. Imagine like his kids see that. Like, that's your dad who's bought, like mini baby weights to hang off his. Honestly, I saw it. I was like, that was not a sight I was ready for.

[Vogue Williams]

But the general consensus is, what is she. What is she taking to handle this? Just like, that's what I want to know. What is she on? What meds is she on? How much saging, how much meditation? Because even she would have.

[Joanne McNally]

I think that there must be. They have to have an agreement of some kind. And the agreement would be he just off and does whatever he wants and she stays home with the kids. There has to be something there because she's not just like she is. Like, as soon as those pictures comes out, she's posting about him.

[Vogue Williams]

Happy birthday to him. All this, I mean, it's wild. And like, I say, I know this isn't about D, this is about Connor, but we know what he's like. He's never going to change. He's always going to behave like this.

[Joanne McNally]

Joe doesn't know what he was like. Americans don't yet know what he's like. Americans still actually put him on a pedestal and think that he is this real amazing standoff guy. And it's like, what. What have you missed? How does. Like, how do we all know? And you. It hasn't translated across there. Like, I just don't understand.

[Vogue Williams]

Well, I ended up posting an old clip from Prosecco where I was.

[Joanne McNally]

That was so funny.

[Vogue Williams]

Basically slagging them off. I was talking about the Irish cast System. I really need to post more clips. They're really effective.

[Joanne McNally]

That one in particular had such great timing. And it was so.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, because Connor was the talk at the time, because the dick pics to his Elliot. So I was like, I might as well dig out because I knew I had some Connor stuff. So I. I dug it out. And it was talking about the Irish class system and how any is up the top. You know, the singer Joe. Sail away, Sail away. And then we're all in the middle scrapping over dry ropes. And then down the bottom is Conor McGregor. Anyway, the amount of. The amount of Irish who were. Who were tagging their American friends, being like, see, I told you, we don't like them. So that was vogue. You remind me of that when they said. When you said about Americans don't. But then also, he's always. He's also in the. In cahoots with Trump a lot, isn't he? Yeah.

[Joanne McNally]

I mean, look at Trump. Look at Trump, though. Come on. Like, they're all in this same little section of the world that you just, like. I just. It's just. I think it's a really, like. It's a really grim reality to think that. Especially because I have two young boys. I'd hate for them to be thinking that that's the way that is appropriate to act. Like, because we'. Remember I told you. I don't know if I did say to you. I was in a. In a sauna when I was filming in Cornwall. You know, I love the sauna. And. And I was sitting there and there was this young boy in there.

[Vogue Williams]

You're like a Greek God where you have your thoughts.

[Joanne McNally]

I just. I went to the vomitorium and then I said, where am I going next? The sauna? And then I'm hitting the bats. I love it.

[Joe]

Then we feast.

[Joanne McNally]

Then I got my chicken leg. No. So I got in the sauna and there's this fella there, and I knew he wanted to talk to. Like, do you know when someone just wants to have a conversation? I was like, shite. I'm really loving my book at the moment. And anyway, so I was, like, trying just to read my book. And then he started talking about. And then he was like, oh, you're Irish. Do you love Conor McGregor? And I was like, no, do you? And he was like, well, yeah, I just think him and Andrew Tate have a lot to say. And I was like. I literally was like, oh, no. I thought my hands are trying out. And I was like, dude, please. I was like, what to you. I was like, like I, I could be your mother. Essentially. I was like, please look into this a bit more.

[Vogue Williams]

Like, please.

[Joanne McNally]

He was. Well, he was 20. I got my period when I was 16. Okay, John, so I could have been his mother.

[Vogue Williams]

I was only asking. You just hadn't given him an age. You haven't given him an age. There wasn't an attack on your fertility. God knows we know you have passion.

[Joanne McNally]

That's how I judge people now. I'm like, I could be your, I could be your mother. And I find myself saying this and I'm like, sh. Anyway, so I told him I could be his mother. And I was like, please. Just like, please look into this a bit more because it does worry me about young kids thinking this is cool. Like, that he's this great stand up guy.

[Vogue Williams]

It's a, it's a large issue because the truth is the stuff that he's, the stuff he says is resonating with certain men. It is. So, you know, they're, they're like, what's that? You know, as women, we're shocked and appalled, but we're not men. So there's a reason why it's resonating. Anyway, look, that's, that's for another podcast. That's not our problem. We, we don't go down those lines. We don't go down those roads. We stick to what we know, don't we? Speaking of that, let's talk about Jojo Siwa.

[Joanne McNally]

Oh, finally she's got Jojo Siwa. Juan, I think it's really unfair that you're inflicting this on us all the time on your insta. That thing that I saw you post today about what they've called Chris Hughes's balls. I'm like, joanne, I live a life not wanting to know that stuff yet you flooding my brain with this.

[Vogue Williams]

Basically, I went to a party at the weekend with James Kavanaugh, who is a very good friend of mine. We used to work together in pr. Vogue knows him also.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah.

[Vogue Williams]

And he's moved to Cook County. He's living a country life with his boyfriend William and they're big foodies. Anyway, he threw a party. I had such a ball at that party. And it's. Do you know when you know it's going to be a big ass party? You know, you're like, it's going to be a big ass party. And I got a curly blow dry. I don't know if you noticed, folk.

[Joanne McNally]

I saw the curly bojo and I said, who is that gorgeous Girl in front of my eyes.

[Vogue Williams]

Thank you. As we know, I scrub up well and then I scrub down almost immediately to an unrecognizable feral rat.

[Joanne McNally]

But I got a curly blow dry to go and hang around with a load of gay guys.

[Vogue Williams]

Excuse me, folk.

[Joanne McNally]

Not everything was appreciated by then.

[Vogue Williams]

I was about to say, not everything I do is for the male gays. I meant G A Z E, not.

[Joe]

G A Y S.

[Joanne McNally]

At least the gays. G A Y S. Appreciate it.

[Vogue Williams]

I did say at one point, because we were having. We were all like, oh, we're having such a lovely time. We get on so well. We're having such a bob. But I did say, would it not be nice to introduce a couple of straight guys into this group? Like, it would just be nice to know that I'm coming down with a hint of something. But there's no. There's no straights at the. At the. At these parties. But anyway, I went in for the curly blow dry. I went into a place in Kilkenny and she did a great job to the point where we were both pissing ourselves laughing. It was very ringlet vibes and it was. It was very Shirley Temple vibes. And before. Because before the curls drop. It's quite an extreme look. Okay. And I looks like a majorette. Do you know the women who like twirl the buttons?

[Joanne McNally]

I thought that's the look that you were going for. Like, remember that time I came on the POD and I had a curly blow dryer and you two just sat there laughing at me for what felt like 11 minutes.

[Vogue Williams]

That was a great day, Jo. Wasn't it? I still think about that sometimes. Yeah. If. I'm sorry.

[Joanne McNally]

Well, I enjoyed. I enjoyed your similar hairstyle this weekend.

[Vogue Williams]

If I'm sad, I'll just take that out of it. I was going to call it the wank bank. The LOL bank. What's that doing in the wank bank? Hey, lock it in there. I said, no Vogue in the wine bank. Not after the last time.

[Joanne McNally]

If I'm not. If there's not at least one screenshot of me and your wine bank. I don't know what I've done wrong or what I've done to offend you.

[Vogue Williams]

It's you as the Afghan Hound. That's. That's in the wine bank. Yeah, that's not going anywhere, rest assured. Anyway, I got this insanely tight curly brow.

[Joanne McNally]

Dry.

[Vogue Williams]

Also, James told us we went to play hurling as part of the party. He brought us down to the local G, not G club hurling Club. I don't. I don't know the language. I've never sat more Dublin in my life. I was there in.

[Joanne McNally]

They took us to the GAA club to play hurling club. Maybe they did, actually. I don't know. Did they play in the same place?

[Vogue Williams]

We went to a club down the road which had a. A bar which serves hot spirits and pints and a green area outside with hurling men. And they taught us. They brought us around and taught us little bits of hurling. And we. I. At one point, I had a cigarette in my hand, and I was wearing Marc Jacobs platform boots with a hurl in one hand, and I was trying to use it as a hockey stick or a tennis racket, and I was like, this is why they hate Dublin. This is. I get it now. They hate us and fair play to them. They should. Anyway. Also, by the way, learning herding, I realize I'm not a team player. I was so hungover yesterday. I ate so much, it was like I was going into hibernation. I've never. Do you know the way. Sweet tooth. When you're hungover because it's something about your body has to use your.

[Joanne McNally]

I don't know you to be hungover.

[Vogue Williams]

Anyway, back to the party. When I walked in, Adam Sherry said to me, your hair is amazing. And then he burst out laughing. He said, it's very much giving Jojo Siwa Betty James lines. And I said, I can't. I cannot even disagree with you, Adam. You have nailed the aesthetic. Then, of course, it meant that I could talk about Jojo Siwa for the next hour at the house party. Why both of you are not obsessed with this pivot from pop lesbian to trad wife with this guy Christopher Hughes, who she's now going out with, that she met on Celebrity Big Brother Folk. You must have been watching this. She was. She went in gay. She came out straight by. That's. That's not a conversation I want to get into, because the LGBTQ community are all trying to argue that out amongst themselves. I stay out of. I stay in my lane. But the relationship with him is so weird, and I was willing to support it at the start.

[Joanne McNally]

It's tough to lose one of the gang all the same, you know what I mean? That's probably why they're a bit like, what the hell? We want her back.

[Vogue Williams]

Of course. And of course, it's also. It kind of feeds into this narrative. Like, you see, all she needed was a good bit of tea to ride the lesbian. There's all those arguments going on, like I say I stay in my lane. I say my. I stay in my straight CIS lane with my curly blow dries at my gay parties. But she's going out with them and they've released. I. I now believe that she is an absolute rage baiter. I was, I was her. Her whole thing. She's a bit of a melt. That's okay. She's young. She's 21. I get it. She's figuring her out.

[Joanne McNally]

She only 21.

[Vogue Williams]

She's only 21 or 22. Yeah. Oh, my God. To say she's lived a life. But this guy, he's a good bit older than her. He used to go with Olivia Atwood. If someone asked her about Olivia.

[Joanne McNally]

I really like Olivia Atwood.

[Vogue Williams]

I have to say, I really like her.

[Joanne McNally]

I'm into her a lot. I like the shows that she makes. Yeah, she seems sad.

[Vogue Williams]

She does.

[Joanne McNally]

And she's 10 out of 10.

[Vogue Williams]

She's driven. She's driven. Yeah, she's. She's a goer. She's a go getter. But she used to go out with your man, Chris Hughes. And when she was asked about what she thought about the relationship between Chris Hughes and JoJo Siwa, Olivia Atwood said, I think that JoJo Siwa is very famous. I. E. Chris Hughes is going out with her because she's very famous. And I have to agree. I look at them together and I'm like, I'm not buying it. I think it's an absolute PR stunt. Now they post photos of themselves, very intimate photos, where they're both clearly naked in bed. Post coital. JoJo Siwa is asleep on his chest. He is so much older than her. She looks like a child. He looks like he's doing skin to skin with the newborn baby.

[Joanne McNally]

He is. He's too. He is too old for her. But like, I have, like I, I have met him now. I have to be honest. I have met him. Yeah, I've met him a few times. Very nice, Nice fellow when I met him. But like, I do, I've stayed out of the JoJo seaw stuff because it kind of. It feels funny to me is the way that I'm gonna say it. I just, I don't want to see it because it, like, I let it get on my nerves and I don't know why I let it get on my nerves because why should I care?

[Vogue Williams]

I know. Do you know why? Because it's annoying to watch people make their whole personality their relationship. It's really annoying to watch. The problem is we buy it like so. And that's why I think it's the rage bait. They're obviously setting up all these shots. They seem so small with each other. They're always. And like I say, I was starting to like her, and now she's just crossed this weird line and now she's done this Bette Davis cover, which is the Betty Davis. Have you listened to it, Joe?

[Joe]

I'll be honest. I'm not overly familiar with who she is. I'm doing my background research now.

[Vogue Williams]

She sounds like she's singing it with electronic larynx. You know those things that people use when they've had their throat removed?

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah.

[Vogue Williams]

And she's doing it on purpose. Clear your throat. Cough. Cough. Cough, Jojo.

[Joanne McNally]

Just cough. I know, but I think that you have to remember what you might have forgotten about. A lot of the time of. Well, a lot of people within this industry is. People do that. That kind of stuff totally set up stuff like that. People set up pop shots. People set up all this kind of stuff. Like, it's all around. It happens all the time. So, like, this is just a part of it.

[Vogue Williams]

The Betty Davis video. Have you seen it? It looks like she's in drag.

[Joanne McNally]

No, no, I have to. I have to. I'm sorry. I have to remove myself from it. And if you continuously post like you posted today, I'm using you.

[Vogue Williams]

This was. This was the straw that broke the camel's back.

[Joanne McNally]

No more for all of us.

[Vogue Williams]

I'm scrolling through the Internet last night, minding my own business. I'm hungover. I'm vulnerable. I'm. I'm. Here we go. Chris Hughes. She calls my balls Jimmy and Timmy. No, that's enough.

[Joanne McNally]

No one calls anyone's balls anything. You try to ignore them because they're not attractive.

[Vogue Williams]

I wouldn't get that far. Now I've. I've named some test scores in my time.

[Joanne McNally]

You've named balls? I've never named balls. Yeah, I've named the rest of the package. I haven't named balls.

[Vogue Williams]

Cheating bastard, Ball one. I think the photos that they are.

[Joanne McNally]

I shouldn't say that. Hang on. I shouldn't say that balls are really ugly because that's not fair. Because I wouldn't appreciate Joe if you said something about me that wasn't. I love balls. Okay? I love balls. There you go. That's the next headline. I love balls.

[Vogue Williams]

The photos that they are setting up and holding hands and, like, hugging, they. They have the same amount of authenticity as. Do you remember when those two lads dragged that dead body into the post office.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, they're Uncle.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah. Remember to buy to get the doll. Remember? And then they left him on the ground. And don't try to blame his death at the post office. They dragged a dead body in and pretended it was real. The JoJo Cy relationship photos of Chris Hughes, they have the same authenticity. In my eyes, they are as fake and as bogus us.

[Joanne McNally]

Are they? Are you talking about pop shots? Do they go around setting up pop shots?

[Vogue Williams]

Pop shops, pop shots. And also their kind of domestic footage of them. Like, kind of.

[Joanne McNally]

He.

[Vogue Williams]

She pretend she's making her petite, and then he'll come up and squeeze her from the back and she'll pretend she's like. Oh, like, it's. It's. It's. It's gross. I've decided I'm not. I have to look away. I have to. I know it's on me. It's up to me. I'm accountable for what I take in the Internet. But she's. If. If it is rage break, which I think it is, she deserves a prize because. My God.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, but you've said that about her. You've said that about her for ages, about it being rage face.

[Vogue Williams]

Have I?

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah. Since before Chris Hughes. You did. You did.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, I did. You're right. I stand by it.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, you are right as always. I need to talk about something. I have to do it. I don't even know if it's going to be too late to talk about it, but it doesn't seem like it's dying down at all. Please. Coldplay CEO. I. Oh, my God.

[Vogue Williams]

Of course. Sorry.

[Joanne McNally]

Oh. So for anyone who has been living under a rock, a Coldplay had their concert. Where was the concert on? Actually? Was it in Washington or something?

[Vogue Williams]

Boston.

[Joanne McNally]

There they have this cam that goes around and catches people and it's just like their hello cam. Like Peter K. Does it as well.

[Vogue Williams]

Kiss cam.

[Joanne McNally]

The kiss cam kind of thing.

[Joe]

They do it. American sports. If you're at the, like baseball and stuff, they'll zoom in the camera.

[Vogue Williams]

It's how Pamela Anderson was discovered.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, it was. It was. That's right.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah.

[Joanne McNally]

It's actually. It's a fun kind of thing that you do all the time. And people are desperate to get on the camera because it's like a concert of their favorite people. But anyway, Coldplay were going around, they're going to these different people, and all of a sudden they cut this couple and the man has his arms around this woman and all. It was like they melted into the ground. They just like tuck, ducked and rolled. They were. It was so obvious they did not want to be filmed together. And then Chris Martin said he was like, oh, I hope that these two are just shy and not having an affair or something. Turns out they were having an affair. They worked for these huge. This huge company, Astronomer, I think it was called, and they were having this big affair. His wife was at home and his. And now it is like all over the Internet. There is memes absolutely everywhere. I. I mean, yeah, I just. How do you feel about it? Because I feel obviously terribly sorry for the wife and, and the kids. Because imagine it's one thing being told someone's cheating on you, it's another thing actually seeing it. So like, if she's seeing it in real life, it's like. It's just. I know there's all these videos coming out of them, kissing and stuff, that were caught by somebody else and sent into tmz.

[Vogue Williams]

It's like. Can I. Can I just say Vogue? You never explain anything. Vogue just jumps in. In the middle of a story about family members or something and we have to kind of backtrack. And sometimes me and Joe would say Vogue. You've to explain what it is and you've now got the trouble of explaining the biggest story. Like, it was a hell of a story. Yeah. And she's really.

[Joanne McNally]

It was good. It was a good explainer.

[Joe]

If I'd never seen it, which I have a thousand times, if I'd have never seen it, I'd know now.

[Joanne McNally]

Wow.

[Vogue Williams]

Seen something bring the world together more maybe since the Berlin Wall coming down, then this scandal on the Jumbotron. It's like. It's what the Internet was built for in a way, because the absolute crack the world is having. The camaraderie at the expense of the. I know, and it's very humiliating.

[Joanne McNally]

But like, I'm sorry, what happened to having affairs in CD hotel rooms in the middle of nowhere? You're. You're taking her to a Coldplay concert and why didn't you just. If they. If they just smiled and waved.

[Vogue Williams]

Brazen. It reminds me of the old Celtic saying, a neck like a jockey's bollock to stand at a concert. Yeah, like that. And then my mother, Pat, had a little moment on the Internet because I filmed what she thought about it and she was like, I think they were just good friends and they're going to be resting on each other and if I was at a concert that length of time, I'd need to rest on somebody.

[Joanne McNally]

Show her What TMZ have brought out. She knows we want an update.

[Vogue Williams]

Pat's rage baiting me. I'm pretty sure she's fucking licking off Jojo Siwa. She knows what she's doing. But firstly, neck like a jockey's bollocks. Like it's a little naive now you're like, you're all over each other. You should be hiding it more. But what really made me laugh, firstly, it made me miss working in an office. I'll be honest. The scandal, the, the. The work affairs, the gossip, the water cooler moments, all that. I was like, the only person I could potentially have an affair with is one of you or my mother. They're the only people I see on a day to day basis. And my local barista, but he's not into it, I can tell. And then they were saying that there was a lot of Christians saying, oh well, this is Jesus. Because Jesus really wanted this couple to be outed. I was like, it's a little deluded to think that.

[Joanne McNally]

Oh, did you watch that fella that was calling it unclean? No, sorry dude, some past a church and he's like, this is not love, this is not clean. And he just keeps going on about it being not clean. It's like, okay, dude, let's see what skeletons come out of your closet soon, pal.

[Vogue Williams]

But the Christians are the ones you have to. What they are the most suspicious. They are the. They are the sketchiest of all people. But it's a little naive to think that Jesus with everything that's going on in the world is driving a jumbotron around a Coldplay concert to try and out it was Jesus.

[Joanne McNally]

I think it was Jesus myself.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, yeah. It's Sunday. I'm not asked of the Middle East. Let's see what else can I. Ah.

[Joanne McNally]

Jesus is bringing the worlds to right again.

[Vogue Williams]

They're so funny. Do you see? The wife has now come out with a statement which I think is actually AI because there's a lot of grammatical errors and I, I feel it is. And that's if it's not for I'm not shading on her literacy skill. I just mean it looks like it.

[Joanne McNally]

Is because I think he brought out a statement and it turned out it wasn't him either. So I don't know what's real.

[Vogue Williams]

Well, his statement, the one that there is a statement of his that is real where he's like, look, Scarlet, I've made a huge mistake. Didn't need it to happen on that scale. And then he gave some coping quote and that is him. Then there was a tick tock going around of his daughter who's now used the profile to set up an only fans account. Then that turned out to be fake. Then the mother removed her surname off her Facebook account. That is real. This is why you don't take anyone's name, girls. You don't take anyone's name. Then she deleted her account. That's real. He's lost his job. That's real. The woman involved has not lost her job.

[Joanne McNally]

Well, let's, let's time of recording. So she.

[Vogue Williams]

Time of recording.

[Joanne McNally]

She works in hr. So I was thinking about it and I was like, hang on a second. Is she going to be working like both sides of the desk, one side? What do you think you were up to the other side? Well, I was just out of COVID How is that gonna work?

[Vogue Williams]

She'll have to do it for herself.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, she'll just be like swapping over sides. She'll wear a hat on one side and then she'll have no hat on the other side.

[Vogue Williams]

She'll be like, can I speak to you outside for five minutes, please? What a nightmare.

[Joanne McNally]

But the whole thing is a nightmare.

[Vogue Williams]

The wife released a statement and if it's true, which I'm not sure it is, it is very impressive.

[Joanne McNally]

Can I just say something about. I AI. By the way, I really am getting fed up with it. I was watching horses on diving boards the other day and I was watching, like, when did they teach them that? And I watched about six of them. And then I was like, there's no way a horse can do that. And I'm so sick of being duped like that.

[Vogue Williams]

I know. I'm the same. It's terrible.

[Joanne McNally]

I was like, oh, my God. Because I was thinking they could do dressage. So what's. What's to say they can't die?

[Joe]

Yeah, come on.

[Vogue Williams]

I know. I'm the same. I'm so. I'm so naive. I'm so gullible. I have a whole bit on it in Pena far now about the. That I've seen that I believe. I know. It's actually kind of embarrassing.

[Joanne McNally]

I saw a giraffe and it was. It was carrying the baby giraffe on its back and kicking away all these hyenas. And I was like, jesus Christ, are they gonna get away? Then I'm like, again, not true. How would the baby giraffe. It's really annoying. It's ruining. It's ruining. It's ruining what is real, I think.

[Vogue Williams]

Do you remember I shared a Photo of a flying mantis with, like, rose petals as wings. And I shared it with, like. You're amazing. Yeah.

[Joe]

If anyone would like to make a. A dance remix of I Love Balls, please do send it in to hello, tgmpod.com.

[Vogue Williams]

What'S not to love, Jill?

[Joanne McNally]

You lazy bastard. Why don't you make that? You do stuff like that. Speaking of gigs, I sent my mom to Peter K in Dublin, right? Because I was like. I went to Peter K and I honestly thought it was the funniest ever. And he does that as well. He takes the camera himself and he goes around just, like, zooming in on random people. But it was the funniest thing ever. And I rang my mom anyway. She left. She was like, yeah. We went back and then, no, it's not for us. No, it's not for us. He's not funny at all. I was like, oh, yeah, mom, he's not funny at all. He sold out three nights of the 3 Arena. And he's also has, like, a residency in the O2. And I thought, you know what you're getting. I was like, I'm not buying her presents anymore. She left a bag of clothes upstairs for us to go through because we all share clothes, as you know, John, you do it with us, too. And I went through the bag and this amount of stuff I'd given her as presents, like, proper stuff. I said, that's it. She's not getting anything else off me. Not one thing.

[Vogue Williams]

Greedy. But Peter K, like, I think he is funny, but comedy is so subjective. And I wouldn't, to be honest, I wouldn't have put Sandra and Peter together. Now, if I was a betting woman, necessarily collabed them, I wouldn't have aligned them.

[Joanne McNally]

Who would you align her with? Because there's somebody that she's obsessed with that she'd love to go and see.

[Vogue Williams]

Man or woman?

[Joanne McNally]

Man.

[Vogue Williams]

Because I think she'd be a big. I think she'd be. I think she'd be a big Deirdre Kane fan.

[Joanne McNally]

I'd say she'd love Dear Joe Kane, but she really wants to go see Kevin Bridges as well, which I was quite surprised by because he's. He says so many bad words. My mom and Neil would find us offensive.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah.

[Joanne McNally]

Loves him. Him.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, yeah. Kevin's everyone's favorite. Everyone loves a bit of Kev. Kev. Yeah.

[Joanne McNally]

Well, she can get her own tickets for that because I'm not getting her anything else. That's it. She's ruined it for herself.

[Vogue Williams]

It's always really disappointing it's like when you decide to show someone a clip of something because you think it's hilarious, then you're just. It's too much pressure and you're watching them for their reaction. You're like, are you nothing? It's like, it's fine. It's grand. Yeah, it's good. I don't know.

[Joanne McNally]

Did you not see that bit, though? Did you see the bit before it gets too old? Because this will get old because she's about to go to prison. The mushroom lady. John.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, well, I've started listening to a podcast about us, which is a bit. I'm a bit late in the day. I came a bit late in the day to the. To the. To the mushroom thing. But the. What It's. If it's giving me anxiety because it's the same podcast I listened to for the Lucy Lapi trial. So the music is the same. And it's so strange because the music is bringing out this weird six feeling in my stomach because of the Lucy Lapy thing was kind of a lot darker, a lot more. More sinister case. Let's listen. The second she put her own dinner on a different color plate. Come on.

[Joanne McNally]

I mean, but you know what I thought about that. I was like. I was like, she has played the long game here, like always being like, oh, just gotta get my favorite place whenever they came over. So like, then they wouldn't have noticed when they did come over and she was using the favorite place and her kids doing.

[Vogue Williams]

She was feeding her kids mushrooms for months, doing taste tests with them going, can you taste the mushrooms? And that. Can you taste the mushrooms in that? And what the hell is a dehydrator? The whole thing. I was like, this story stinks. Also.

[Joanne McNally]

She was so bad at it, though. Like, she was so bad bringing the dehydrator to the dump and everyone. Everything's on camera, everything has been caused so they couldn't bring all that stuff out and like. Lazy, lazy.

[Vogue Williams]

Can you imagine?

[Joanne McNally]

Can you imagine her first murder? Wouldn't you?

[Vogue Williams]

It is her first. Yeah, this is her first rodeo, you know, this is her first, clearly. But like, imagine her ex husband. Imagine knowing that he didn't go and it's like that.

[Joanne McNally]

No, I'm just still went through with it without him.

[Vogue Williams]

Always good to turn down a dinner, a dinner invitation every now and again. Forget the FOMO sometimes. It's a. It's survival. Women always poison.

[Joanne McNally]

Do you know what you're.

[Vogue Williams]

Women poison. Yeah, that's what. That's how they do it.

[Joanne McNally]

I saw this thing on this really old granny on Instagram. It wasn't AI, but she was this really old granny with like tight curls and she looked like really smiley lady. And she poisoned four of her husband, two of her kids and one of her grandchildren.

[Vogue Williams]

Wow.

[Joanne McNally]

It is poison. But it's, it's, it's. But I suppose you would think it's the easiest way and like, I'm not cleaning up any mess.

[Vogue Williams]

That's it. There's a great podcast and it goes through kind of, you know, women in history who murdered. And it's a lot of. It's like Victorian time murders. But it's every. When you listen to a few of them, you're like, you know the way you listen. Watch True Con documentary. When women die, it's the husbands. When men died, they're poisoned. It's women always poison. It's a really good podcast. I'd highly recommend if you're into death and history.

[Joanne McNally]

I do like a bit of death podcast just because I find it so interesting. Obviously then I can't sleep for days after, but maybe a daytime podcast.

[Vogue Williams]

I sleep like a baby.

[Joanne McNally]

Oh, God. I just think being poisoned would be the worst. Those that man who survived then if he hadn't survived when they found out, they must have found they would have found out if he hadn't survived. Because she was grand just walking around, she's like, no, I didn't have anything to do with that. That wasn't me. It's like, it's kind of. It's a bit fishy looking now that you're just here living your life.

[Vogue Williams]

And I think she was, I think she was blatantly googling, can I kill my relatives with mushrooms? Like, you know, it was, it was there. Was she really? Yeah, yeah. She kind of underestimated the legal system completely. And do you want to know, aren't they some weird church? Aren't they some church of something something. Church of the pariahs or something? What are they, Joe?

[Joanne McNally]

Church really has it in for the churchies today, doesn't she?

[Vogue Williams]

That's it from us. I'm on tour. FYI.

[Joanne McNally]

I can't wait to go to see you on tour. So there you go. Yeah, I'm coming.

[Vogue Williams]

A communal promo.

[Joanne McNally]

Joe, we'll go together. Joe, we'll go together. Do you want to come with us?

[Vogue Williams]

I'd like that because I won't allow you get lost.

[Joanne McNally]

I'm having fun. I only deal with plus threes with you. I'm me plus three.

[Vogue Williams]

You just did side of stage.

[Joanne McNally]

Well, I'm gonna go to so many. I'm just gonna sit in the back with the tanway by the end of it.

[Vogue Williams]

That's actually. That camera thing is such a good idea. I wonder, would I, like, do some sort of jumbotron thing?

[Joanne McNally]

Oh, my God, please do a jumbotron.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Joanne McNally]

I won't bring my fancy man then with me, will I? Just out.

[Vogue Williams]

Me and Joe also keep sending your emails into us. Hellotgmpod.com wow. Okay.

[Joanne McNally]

Bye, Sam.