Podcast Summary: "My Therapist Ghosted Me" – MRI, Plane Fear & Divorce Settlements
Hosts: Vogue Williams & Joanne McNally
Date: November 7, 2025
Episode Overview
In this lively, laughter-filled episode, Vogue and Joanne take listeners on a meandering and hilarious journey through the everyday trials of adulthood, from money woes and parenting to plane phobias and the dramas of divorce settlements. With their signature honesty and comic timing, they touch on the absurdities of modern life, occasional existential anxieties, and the ever-present specter of celebrity news.
Key Discussion Points
1. The Cost and Inevitability of Adulting
[00:30 – 02:23]
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Bills and Overheads: Both Joanne and Vogue bemoan the relentless expense of adult life.
- “I am hemorrhaging cash at the moment.” — Joanne [00:30]
- Vogue details the high cost of raising kids, specifically school clothing, and the guilt from social media about parenting choices.
- “They don't have to be literally dressed to perfection all the time. Think about how we went around as kids. I used to go around the block in my knickers.” — Vogue [01:44]
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Home-Schooling as a Fantasy: Joanne jokes about home-schooling as a way to save costs, which devolves into a comedic riff about tap-dancing classes and chaotic home curriculums.
2. Health Scares and MRI Results
[04:34 – 06:51]
- Vogue’s MRI: Vogue shares her recent brain scan results, humorously relaying the doctor's ambiguous warning about “hives of activity,” possible future risks, and her own anxiety.
- “She was like, 'We're seeing a lot of this now, where there's like, additional...hives of activity.'...I was like, oh, great.” — Vogue [04:34]
- Lung Health: She’s relieved her teenage smoking days left no marks on her lungs.
- Joanne jokes about wanting her own MRI: “Basically, they crack the lid on you and do a bit of rustling around and see what's going on.” — Joanne [06:24]
3. Flying Habits, Fears & Helicopters
[06:51 – 13:11]
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Plane Preferences and Delays: Both admit to habitual seat choices for comfort and routine on planes, detailing their idiosyncrasies.
- “I want to sit between row one to five and I want to be on the left. That's what I want.” — Vogue [07:00]
- Joanne prefers “the last three rows, either side at the window.” [07:42]
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Helicopter Anxiety: Chat drifts to fear of helicopters, referencing accidents and Final Destination-like odds.
- “I don't scare easily... but I actually think I'd be quite scared in a helicopter.” — Joanne [09:29]
- Vogue recalls a Bear Grylls show where helicopters used by a TV crew crashed weeks later, heightening their fears. [10:47]
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Fear of Flying: Both admit to ongoing (often irrational) anxieties about flying, despite how often they do it.
- “I'm actually quite frightened of flying, which is stupid 'cause I do it so much.” — Vogue [12:11]
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Risk & Reward Game: They discuss a hypothetical scenario—would you take a 1 in 100 chance to win £20 million if there’s also a 1 in 100 chance of dying? Both would rather not risk it, joking about Russian roulette with “killer grapes.” [13:39]
4. Divorce, Settlements & Sleeping Separately
[15:14 – 19:18]
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Divorce During Travel Delays: Vogue recounts meeting a newly divorced woman, Eleni, who quickly found love with a cardiologist—sparking a long-distance romance.
- “Six weeks after getting divorced, she meets a heart surgeon in Atlanta...” [15:36]
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Sleeping Arrangements & Divorce Odds: Joanne shares a study claiming couples who share a bed are “50% more likely to get divorced,” referencing Japan where separate sleep is common.
- “In Japan... it's very rare to share a bed with your partner. They sleep separately.” — Joanne [16:53]
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Celebrities & Separate Spaces: They discuss Helena Bonham Carter and Cameron Diaz, both with unconventional sleeping/relationship setups.
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Vogue’s Sleep Woes: A personal anecdote about spouse Spencer waking her repeatedly at night, leading to discussions about boundaries and the sanctity of sleep.
5. Halloween Mishaps, Christmas Excitement, & Costume Culture
[19:20 – 25:57]
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Halloween Face Paint Disaster: Vogue’s daughter Gigi has a meltdown over badly-done witch makeup courtesy of artistic Aunt Naomi. In the end, the only solution is to hope darkness hides the evidence.
- “I’ve never seen someone...trying not to cry. She...kept pulling her hat down over her face.” — Vogue [20:26]
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Overflowing Irish Trick-or-Treats & Early Christmas: Vogue’s awe at the abundance of sweets for Halloween in Ireland, quickly segues to eagerness for Christmas (except Vogue draws the line at putting up decorations too early).
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Controversial Halloween Costumes: Joanne highlights an “inappropriate” costume of Shannon Matthews’ mum, then spirals into the real-life grimness of that story. [22:43]
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Julia Fox as Bloody Jackie Kennedy: The hosts discuss the shock value and performative justification of this viral look, with skepticism toward her “ChatGPT-sounding” feminist rationale.
- “It’s the explanation that got me. Like, oh, come on, don’t start hitting us with that.” — Vogue [25:30]
6. Celebrity Gossip: Kleptomania, Hot Criminals & The Louvre Heist
[25:57 – 29:41]
- Winona Ryder's Shoplifting Excuse: Discussing “researching for a role” as her alibi for being a kleptomaniac, and David Harbour’s crush on her. [26:19]
- Stranger Things Set Rumors: Briefly note accusations against David Harbour.
- Grown-up Trick-or-Treating & The ‘Hot Felons’ Phenomenon: Vogue reveals her fascination with the handsome suspects in the Louvre heist. Discussion on why attractiveness itself can make criminals oddly charismatic.
- “These two look like they’ve just walked out of IMG Models.” — Vogue [28:01]
- “Crime is sexy... crime is hot.” — Joanne [28:20]
7. Fashion Fails: Boots, Calves, and the Return of Pedal Pushers
[33:50 – 36:44]
- Boots That Don’t Fit: Stories of “oversized calf” struggles, and the exclusion of popular fashion brands.
- “Paris Texas boots ... Couldn't get it above the ankle.” — Vogue [35:48]
- Pedal Pushers Are Back: Vogue bemoans her calves’ incompatibility with the revived trend, leading to self-deprecating and supportive banter.
- “My calves. Can't wait. Listen, they'll be exploding out the back of them.” — Vogue [34:22]
8. Spoofer of the Week: Kevin Federline & Celebrity Divorce Settlements
[36:48 – 43:16]
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Kevin Federline “Spoofer of the Week”:
- Vogue and Joanne slam his memoir's timing (right as child support ends) and his ongoing public criticism of Britney Spears.
- “He is absolutely spoofed out of it. He is. If you watch his memoir…” — Vogue [37:17]
- “I am not going to engage with the book because I’m not giving him the credit. And when I say the credit, I mean my audible credits.” — Joanne [38:36]
- Vogue details Kevin’s settlement: a million+ up front and $40k/month for two decades; now, with payments over, he’s peddling tabloid tales. [38:48]
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Sia’s Expensive Divorce: The hosts are incredulous at her ex-husband’s $327k/month support demand. [41:17]
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Double Standards?: Joanne admits, “If a woman got that in her divorce, I'd be like, get it girl. When a man does it, I'm like, hideous. Very unattractive.” [41:18]
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Other Lavish Settlements: J.Lo’s dancer ex and Guy Ritchie’s massive payday from Madonna make them question the logic behind such legal outcomes.
9. Miscellaneous Banter: Live Shows, Side Hustles, and Fact-Checking the Fans
[43:30 – 44:39]
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Live Shows & Personal Anecdotes: A humorous back-and-forth about the “glory days” of touring, accidental wild nights in Killarney and Cork, and why certain friends are a bad influence.
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Fashion Side Hustle Confusion: The “baby bag” saga, and plugs for Joanne’s upcoming stand-up in Killarney and Belfast. [31:21 & 31:47]
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Fan Emails & Mattress Gate: Both hosts defend themselves from suspicious fans doubting their stories about mattress purchases and reader emails.
Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments
- “I am hemorrhaging cash at the moment.” — Joanne [00:30]
- “I used to go around the block in my knickers.” — Vogue [01:44]
- “I've turned into Neil Wilson. This is my cross to bear.” — Vogue on flying habits [07:03]
- “I watch a lot of air crash investigation. Sometimes I watch it while I'm flying... I'm basically protecting everyone on the plane by watching it.” — Joanne [11:23]
- "I do love grapes, though, particularly the Marks and Spencer grapes when they're in season.” — Vogue on risk and reward [14:49]
- “You’re sure? I just forgot you’re really 40 now, folk.” — Joanne playfully teasing Vogue [14:57]
- “I don’t want the best for her. You literally want her money.” — Vogue on Kevin Federline [39:43]
- “If a woman got that in her divorce, I'd be like, get it girl. When a man does it, I'm like, hideous. Very unattractive.” — Joanne [41:18]
- “Crime is sexy.” — Joanne, on the “hot felons” of the Louvre heist [28:20]
Key Timestamps
- 00:30 – Adulting woes, expense, and bills
- 04:34 – Vogue’s MRI and ambiguous brain scan diagnosis
- 06:51 – Flight rituals, seat choices, plane and chopper fears
- 12:11 – Admitting fear of flying, especially alone
- 13:39 – Risking your life for a 1-in-100 shot at millions? No thanks
- 15:14 – Vogue’s tale of divorce, rebounds, and fresh love
- 16:53 – Bed-sharing, divorce rates, and unconventional sleep in Japan
- 19:20 – Halloween, face paint disaster, and Christmas anticipation
- 22:43 – Boundary-pushing costumes and true crime backstories
- 25:30 – Julia Fox as Jackie Kennedy, explanations that don’t land
- 28:01 – The Louvre heist’s stunning suspects, “hot criminal” trope
- 34:22 – Pedal pushers return, calf struggles
- 37:17 – Kevin Federline as “Spoofer of the Week”
- 38:48 – Federline’s settlement details
- 41:17 – Sia’s divorce, giant support demands
- 43:30 – Live show stories and side hustles
Closing Remarks
This episode is a quintessential sample of Vogue and Joanne’s chemistry—equal parts sharp, silly, and honest. From their private anxieties spilling out in public (doctor visits, airplane disasters) to sideways forays into divorce settlements, pop culture, and the endless absurdities of daily life, they remind listeners that laughter—and a little rant—are sometimes the best therapy of all.
No actual therapists were contacted in the making of this episode, but there’s plenty here to reassure anyone struggling with life’s little traumas: you’re not alone, and you’re probably a lot more normal than you think.