Podcast Summary: My Therapist Ghosted Me - MTGM EXTRA! "A third person..."

Hosts: Vogue Williams, Joanne McNally
Guest: Joe Atwell
Release Date: December 17, 2025

Episode Overview

This bonus episode serves up the trademark blend of raw honesty, irreverent humour, and candid conversation that Vogue and Joanne's listeners adore. Ranging from crime scene clean-up hypotheticals and pop culture gossip, to the realities of sex, relationships, and communication, the hosts tackle everything from tabloids to deeply personal listener dilemmas. The centrepiece discussion revolves around a listener email about opening a relationship to a third person, sparking a lively and insightful exchange about desires, boundaries, and what "normal" means in long-term partnerships.

Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Crime Scene Clean-ups & Disgusting Jobs

[00:20–02:18]

• The trio starts with a darkly funny debate about which job would be less awful: cleaning up after crime scenes (Bonnie Blue) or reality TV jungle camp messes (think: animal guts, cockroaches).
• Joanne: “As a woman, I’ve done that already... I put my time in.” ([01:39])
• Banter about horror stories, Instagram crime fascination, and connections to their real lives (“I spent a week in Ibiza. I’ve lived!” – Joanne, 01:54).

2. Pop Culture Gossip: Puff Daddy & 50 Cent

[02:33–06:14]

• Joanne shares revelations from a documentary about Puff Daddy (Diddy), alleging violent behaviour and bizarre stories about collecting semen.
• Joanne: “Apparently he killed Biggie on Tupac, which I did not know.” ([02:51])
• Discussion shifts to contradictions in 50 Cent’s persona and hypocrisy in celeb “revenge” levels.
• Vogue: “If there was a holding a grudge level zero to 50 Cent, I’d be up there with 50.” ([05:36])

3. Books and ChatGPT Observations

[06:14–09:00]

• Book recommendations:
  • Vogue starts “Slags” and loves the cover and vibe.
  • Joanne’s currently reading Kathy Burke’s book.
• They joke about digital signatures and how easy it is to accidentally sign things nowadays.
• Casual digression into ChatGPT: noticing stilted, formulaic language in people’s texts and captions now.
• Joanne: “You're kind of taking the thought process out of a lot of kind of human responses... they're just basically two ChatGBTs talking to each other.” ([08:34])

4. The Lost “Art of Conversation”

[09:00–11:06]

• Vogue and Joanne lament the decline of real-life small talk, especially among younger people.
• Parallels drawn to being skilled, curious conversationalists. They vent about people who never ask questions or deflect by turning all conversation back on the host.
• Joanne: “I was like, oh my god, I’m literally down to asking you about your menstrual cycle and you haven’t asked me a single question about [myself].” ([09:35])

5. Home Security Paranoia and Ghost Chat

[11:09–14:07]

• The group jokes about being afraid to open the door late at night, referencing horror movies (“This is so Scream-coded!” – Joanne, 11:30).
• Vogue: “I’m more scared of the ghosts anyway than the real people.” ([12:46])
• Joanne recounts scary movie scenes involving braces, triggering childhood memories and orthodontic trauma.

6. Family Nostalgia & Irish Childhoods

[14:16–15:43]

• Anecdotes about growing up with stepdad Neil, strict house rules, and stories about family quirks (from head braces to being a “tight ship” runner).
• Joanne: “No child deserves a head brace ’cause they’re sucking their thumb!” ([14:42])

Listener Dilemma: “A Third Person...”

[16:07–20:07]

7. The Dilemma:

• Listener writes in after drunkenly confessing to her boyfriend she might like a threesome. He’s keen—on bringing in another woman. She’d pictured another man. Now, things are at a standstill.

8. Honest Reaction:

• Vogue: “I could possibly accept another man in the room…I couldn’t accept another woman.” ([17:13])
• Joanne (joking): “I’d take another woman just for the chats!” ([17:21])
• Jokes about how a “third” could end up becoming an ally against the boyfriend (“Just be sitting there drinking cosmos with her in the kitchen while he’s pulling himself off in the bedroom!” – Joanne, 17:40).
• Concern about what it means for their sex life and relationship—does talking about a threesome mean it’s unfulfilling, or just idle curiosity?

9. Key Insights:

• Joanne: “Relationships are just this huge, giant compromise, aren’t they?...I don’t think it’s a case that they’re both going to go off and start sleeping around on each other. They had a conversation… Fine, let’s park it.” ([19:17])
• Vogue and Joanne both discuss how people may raise “exciting” suggestions in drunken honesty—but it doesn’t always reflect real-life interests or intentions.
• The classic phrase “in vino veritas” is (mis)quoted: “There’s truth us in winness—except it’s in Latin. I just made it English there.” (Joanne, 18:25–18:47).

Sex in Long-term Relationships

[20:07–23:34]

10. How Often is “Normal”?

• The hosts discuss societal myths about frequency, referencing sex therapist Dr. Karen Gurney.
• Joanne: “There’s this myth that the usual number is three times a week… She [Gurney] said you’re better off having quality over quantity.” ([21:26])
• Anyone-else’s-sex-life anxiety is common; many people are curious but uncomfortable discussing real numbers.
• Joanne (paraphrasing Dr. Gurney): “Sex is the one thing—the less you have, the longer you go without it, the less you care.” ([22:03])
• Vogue agrees: “Having been away for three weeks, I didn’t really think about it… in the jungle at all.” ([22:30])

11. Consent, Obligation & Desire

• The hosts make clear there’s “nothing worse than feeling like you’re obliged to have sex with someone.” (Joanne, 23:22)
• Joanne: “There’s nothing worse. They’re like, ‘I hate you now too much!’”
• They humorously suggest a third person is just for “taking the afternoon shift” when a partner can’t be bothered.

Memorable Quotes & Moments

• “As a woman, I’ve done that already…Who cares really, to that extent?” – Joanne, [01:39]
• “If there was a holding a grudge level zero to 50 Cent, I’d be up there with 50.” – Vogue, [05:36]
• “You're kind of taking the thought process out of…human responses…they’re just basically two ChatGBTs talking to each other.” – Joanne, [08:34]
• “I’m literally down to asking you about your menstrual cycle and you haven’t asked me a single question about [myself].” – Joanne, [09:35]
• “I’m more scared of the ghosts anyway than the real people.” – Vogue, [12:46]
• “No child deserves a head brace ’cause they’re sucking their thumb!” – Joanne, [14:42]
• “I’d take another woman just for the chats!” – Joanne, [17:21]
• “There’s truth us in winness—except it’s in Latin. I just made it English there.” – Joanne, [18:25]

Additional Notes

• Light digressions about podcast funding models, Wikipedia guilt trips, and Joanne’s casual approach to signing documents digitally.
• Casual ribbing, nostalgic Irish references, and a running thread about anxiety (both real and supernatural!) provide the signature warmth and relatability.

Timestamps for Key Segments

• [00:20] – Cleaning up crime scenes and gross jobs
• [02:33] – Puff Daddy, 50 Cent, and music industry scandals
• [06:14] – Book chat and digital signatures
• [08:34] – ChatGPT’s influence on modern conversation
• [09:00] – Decline of conversation skills in younger generations
• [11:09] – Home security paranoia and ghost stories
• [14:16] – Irish family stories and orthodontic trauma
• [16:07] – Listener dilemma: inviting a third person into the relationship
• [20:07] – How much sex is “normal” in long-term relationships?
• [21:26] – Dr. Karen Gurney on sex myths and quality over quantity

Tone & Takeaway

Playful, vulnerable, and mischievous, this episode is a perfect showcase of why “My Therapist Ghosted Me” is so popular. Vogue and Joanne deftly navigate between hilariously crass jokes and surprisingly wise observations about relationships and intimacy—always delivered with unfiltered candour that makes even taboo topics feel brilliantly relatable.