MTGM EXTRA! "Andrew Tate arrested in his little dancing shoes."

Summary

Podcast Summary: My Therapist Ghosted Me

Episode: MTGM EXTRA! "Andrew Tate arrested in his little dancing shoes."
Date: July 22, 2026
Hosts: Vogue Williams & Joanne McNally

Episode Overview

This candid "extra" episode of My Therapist Ghosted Me finds Vogue Williams and Joanne McNally in bright, reflective, and mischievously honest form as they riff on viral cultural moments, questionable men, theatre, and listener dilemmas. The main theme orbits Andrew Tate’s recent arrest and its symbolism, but the episode also takes in theatre-going, book tips, the hazards of reviews, candid looks at male fashion, and tough career choices, all with the podcast’s trademark blend of wit and warmth.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Andrew Tate’s Arrest & The State of Misogyny

• Andrew Tate’s Arrest in Miami
  (08:17) The hosts react to Andrew Tate's arrest and extradition to the UK on serious charges, leavened by the viral detail of his bizarre, childlike outfit during the arrest.

  • Quote, Vogue:
    "Not Only was he arrested... he was arrested on pretty high charges... Like trafficking and like indecent images. Like really, really bad charges. But the rig out he was arrested in, the man was wearing the Titus shirt, I think known to man, it was a child's confirmation shirt teamed with a pair of pedal pushers... and a little tiny pair of dancing shoes. And he looked completely ridiculous." (08:17)
  • Both hosts underscore the threat posed by men like Tate, lamenting their persistent influence.
    • Quote, Joanne:
      "I'm conscious of making him like a joke because I think he's way more dangerous than that." (00:54, repeated sentiment at 15:05)

• The Irony of Toxic Masculinity and Dress Sense
  Joanne and Vogue eviscerate Tate's clothing, comparing him to flamboyant celebrities and emphasizing the contradiction between his “manosphere” rhetoric and his campy outfit.

  • Quote, Joanne:
    "He looks like the kind of cheap, classless... He is a joke. I've seen more masculine outfits on Housewives of Beverly Hills." (09:38)
  • Quote, Vogue:
    "He makes Michael Flatley look butch." (11:02)
  • Discussion of the “manosphere” trend: men obsessed with showing off physical achievements, dressing in ultra-tight, showy clothing.

• Not Just a Joke – The Real Harm
  Both hosts iterate the seriousness of Tate’s offences; the comedic takedown is tempered with warnings about his continued danger and influence, especially to young people.

  • Joanne:
    "He is a absolute toxic clown... but they're very serious charges." (15:05)

• Conor McGregor Comparison
  Conor McGregor’s troubling public and legal behavior is brought up as a parallel:

  • Vogue:
    "It just makes me so sad that we're still there in the world that somebody like that would be like, you'd be impressed by somebody like that." (16:12)
  • The hosts express frustration at how such men retain platforms and fans.

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2. Culture, Criticism & Theatre

• Books for Holidays
  Vogue gives summer reading recommendations:

  • The Wedding People and Bittersweet (02:10)
  • Joanne mentions Yesteryear, which both found enjoyable but “a bit weird at the end.”

• Theatre: ‘1536’ Anecdote
  Joanne regales Vogue with her recent trip to see acclaimed Tudor drama "1536" in London – a production with rave reviews, but she spots a single scathing one-star notice from The Times and riff on the subjectivity of reviews.

  • Joanne:
    "Pinch of salt. Pinch of Himalayan rock salt... unless they're five stars, and then, of course, I'll blow it up and put it on my poster. It's terrible. I'm a hypocrite." (07:02)
  • They muse about how reviews depend not just on taste, but also mood and context.

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3. Fashion, Gender, and Public Image

• Tight Clothes & Male Preening
  An extended riff on men dressing to show off gym gains, with focus on the likes of Andrew Tate (and a playful dig at Vogue’s husband Spencer).

  • Quote, Joanne:
    "It's the male equivalent of a child with a lemonade store... Like, look what I've made." (12:04)
  • Quote, Vogue:
    "He doesn't wear underwear... For the last like four or five months, he hasn't worn a top either. So it's rare to see him in a top." (13:52)

• Pedal Pushers Controversy
  The hosts, echoing a viral Grace Campbell video, swap terminology (capri pants vs. pedal pushers), refusing to let Tate soil the reputation of this stylish staple.

  • Vogue:
    "Let's just decide together that we're all going to keep wearing our pedal pusher capri pants." (11:49)

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4. Listener Dilemma – Career Change vs. Security

[23:23–28:43]

• Email from 27-Year-Old Listener
  • Has worked responsibly, secured property, but yearns for a more creative career in floristry. Asks whether to stick with a secure IT job for the sake of getting a house with fiancé, or leap into less certain but more fulfilling flower work.
• Joanne's Advice:
  At first, take the safe route (stay in job, get house, explore floristry later), but admits this advice sounds older and wasn’t her own path.
  • "As women in our 40s, you are so young... I would stick with the job, get a house and then explore floristry..." (24:12)
  • Notes her own career took off later, after taking risks.
• Vogue’s Perspective:
  Favors taking the leap toward passion, even at some practical risk, especially since listener already owns a flat.
  • "You sound like you've got a really good head on your shoulders... If that's what's going to make you happy, you should try and take the leap." (27:24)
  • Argues against deferring happiness for adult milestones: "Is the lifestyle worth spending so much of your week in a job that you don't love?"
• Resolution:
  Both agree by the end: the listener should try floristry, reassured by her responsible record so far.
  • Joanne:
    "I'm doing a hell 180... Go! You've got a gap already. Go!" (27:56)
  • Sincere encouragement to send in photos of her work.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Andrew Tate’s Arrest:

  • Vogue: "That's the dude that you follow, that you think is cool, like really smart. Nope." (08:17)
  • Joanne: "He makes Michael Flatley look butch." (11:02)
  • Joanne: "He looks like Shirley Bassey." (09:38)
  • Joanne: "He is an absolute toxic clown. He's the reason I have material about men not being able to choose sunglasses to suit their face..." (15:05)

• On Theatre Reviews:

  • Joanne: "Pinch of salt. Pinch of Himalayan rock salt... unless they're five stars, and then, of course, I'll blow it up and put it on my poster." (07:08)

• On Career Dilemmas:

  • Vogue: "You're 27. Just try and enjoy yourself." (28:01)
  • Joanne: "I would say do the florist record... if you do it and after a year, you're like, I wish I hadn't done that, you can go back." (28:01)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:32 – Podcast begins; introductory chat and Andrew Tate's fashion
• 01:45 – Holiday books and recommendations
• 04:09 – Theatre discussion: "1536", impact of reviews
• 08:09 – Andrew Tate’s arrest in Miami, sartorial ridicule, critique of “manosphere”
• 11:02 – Grace Campbell's viral reaction; pedal pushers fashion rant
• 13:03 – Fashion, male preening, and jokes about Spencer
• 15:05 – Reminder about the seriousness of Andrew Tate and similar figures
• 16:12 – Conor McGregor and the culture of toxic male adulation
• 23:23 – Listener dilemma about career change, mortgage, and happiness
• 27:56 – Final advice: try the new career, enjoy being young and capable

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Tone & Style

The conversation is fast-paced, warm, irreverent, and sharply observational, with both hosts effortlessly mixing the silly with the sincere. Joanne embraces dark, absurdly funny analogies and self-deprecation, while Vogue balances with empathy and practical optimism. Throughout, both combine cultural criticism with intimate, off-the-cuff banter and cheerleading.

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In Summary

This episode packs classic MTGM punch: searing send-ups of cultural villains, wisdom disguised as banter, passionate reader advocacy, and gleeful sidetracks on fashion and family. By the end, listeners are left laughing, thinking, and perhaps even ready to pursue their dreams in pedal pushers—dancing shoes optional.

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

This is a global production. They're all like posing in front of cars. They down, down and all. It's all just such pretense. So then if they build something real like a bicep or an ab, they have to display it. So they wear these skin tight clothes like your man. He looks like Shirley Bassey.

[C]

A little tiny pair of dancing shoes and he looks completely ridiculous.

[B]

I'm conscious of making him like a joke because I think he's way more dangerous than that.

[C]

It just makes me so sad that we're still there in the world that somebody like that would be like you'd be impressed by somebody like that. Hello and welcome to. My therapist ghosted me with v. Williams Jan McNel Joe at and. My sister's in the house.

[B]

She's on display.

[C]

She's only flashing her crotch. It's like it's only from belly butch down is what you'll see.

[B]

Presenting herself to us in a and I it's Joe I feel sorry for. This video gets taken down from YouTube. We know why it's Joe. I feel sorry for his innocent little eyes.

[C]

I know he's not ready for it. We're. We are. I am coming to you live from BA I ba and I have one thing. First of all I was down at breakfast there shortly for a short while because anyway for reasons beyond beyond things I could help. But anyway I was walking by this woman and I smiled because she was reading a book that I'd loved that I'd read. Same thing happened yesterday. So if you're going on your holidays, two, well, three books I'll have to put in big mouth my own book because it would seem strange not to but I didn't actually see anyone reading that. But still the other two books, the Wedding People and Bittersweet, they're the two that I've seen people reading and I'm like oh, you know when you get a sting of oh, I'm jealous you're reading that.

[B]

Oh really?

[C]

If anyone is looking for a good holiday read. Yeah, really, really good.

[B]

I am Listening to or reading with my ears, as I like to call it. Yesteryear.

[C]

Oh, yeah, I read that.

[B]

Did you read it? What did you think?

[C]

I thought I would like it more than I did. Was so strange towards the end that I was like, my head was kind of like. I don't get. Just it kind of popped off. What do you think someone said to me?

[B]

Someone messaged me saying the end was so weird. I'm. I've seven hours left and I'm, I, I'm going to finish it. But I'm not like, I, I'm going to finish it. And that means it's, it's, it's enjoyable enough that I'm going to finish it. You know what I mean? Because some books I'm just like, oh no, that. But, but someone messaged me saying the end got so weird. She was like, I felt like I was on Fentan because I didn't know. I'm gonna keep going, I'm told. I'm told it's worth finishing. I'm not sure what I was expecting from it, but I am going to finish it. Yeah, for sure. And I think it's the talk of the town. Do you know what I mean? When something's the talk of the town, you got to talk with the town. If you want to. If you want to talk with the town, you got to talk the town talk. So I'm talking to town talk.

[C]

John, if you want to be. If you want to be a towns person, you've got to get involved and get in.

[B]

You know what I mean?

[C]

The talk of the town, you know?

[B]

Exactly.

[C]

And I was the same. I was, I was the same as you. I feel like I got to a point where I was like, no, actually I am going to finish it. I'm not. Because it started getting a bit weird and I was like, I don't really get this. And then I was like, no, no, no, just keep going. You don't have that long left. And actually I did, I enjoyed it. I didn't enjoy it as much as the other two books I just mentioned previously, but. But it's read, it's def. It's very, very readable.

[B]

Speaking of talking to the Town of the Town talk, I went to see the Town, the Talk of The Cater Town, 1536, with my new theater buddy, Rosie Ramsey in London.

[C]

I would like to be a theater buddy, please and thank you.

[B]

But you weren't here. You're in your honeypops.

[C]

Fine, you're away with that one.

[B]

You're a Lady, when you're back, you can absolutely be part of the theater, buddy. Coop 100.

[C]

Every time you go to the theater, don't you just feel like you're like, I'm gonna go, I have to go. I'm gonna go. Every couple of weeks I'm gonna go to the theater. It's the best thing in the world.

[B]

I did.

[C]

Well, it's.

[B]

No, not, not always. Sometimes I'm like, wow, that's two hours of my life. I'm never going to get back.

[A]

Wicked.

[B]

I am looking at you.

[C]

Still watch the movie.

[B]

I love the Movie. Flew by. 10 minutes in and out, as we know. So I went to see this play called 1536 and something interesting has just happened because I, I, I'm always calling it 1832, but it's 1536, right? And it was the talk of the town. Everyone's talking about it and I went and to say it, it didn't disappoint. You know those sometimes things you're like, oh, don't oversell it. And then you go and you're expecting to have this like epiphany moment and it's going to be like the theater like theater equivalent of Ayahuasca. It was brilliant. It was so, so good. I think it's sold out and I think it's run. It's over. But I'm sure it could come back. But interestingly, just there. Folk, while you were trying to fix your mic and you were, I was looking down at my notes because I was trying to remember the name of the place. So I googled it and I've just found a one star now to say this play has taken the town by storm. Meryl Streep was there the night that I was there. Nicole Kidman's going to it. It's unbelievable. The acting's unbelievable, the storyline's unbelievable. It's like Tudor. It's around the time that they killed and Boyle. And it's about the impact that happened on kind of the towns and villages around. And it's unbelievable. I found a one star review in the Irish Times because I literally just put in the name of the play. Now it's 2025, so unless they've made huge edits to it, but I doubt they were by a man called Clive Davis. The Irish Times 1536 review. Terrible Tudor drama descends into Tik Tok soap opera. Let this be a lesson to us all. Reviews, hectic, nonsense, chaos. Except when I'm looking for five star reviews. Then of course it's it's the only thing that matters. But like, I. That is so. I'm so glad I saw that, actually, because that is just a lesson to. Well, me in particular, because I'm in that industry where there you get reviewed one star. This thing has blown up. I'd say it's going to go to, like, Broadway. Probably has actually. Google it. Joe has 1536 been on Broadway. One star in the Times. In the Irish Times. Gas. No, sorry, the Times, Broadway. But watch this space. It is described as critically acclaimed and a hit. Well, a lesson to us all, you know, reviewers.

[C]

But I.

[B]

You know what reviews? Pinch of salt. Pinch of salt Pinch. Giant pinch of Himalayan rock salt.

[C]

But. Or a beat and salt for where I am.

[B]

Unless they're five stars. And then, of course, I'll blow it up and put it on my poster. It's terrible. It's terrible. I'm a hypocrite.

[C]

But it's very much for. It depends on someone's opinion, but it also can depend on someone's mood. Like sometimes, like, I'll be listening back to the pod, to the edit, and I'll be in a real snot with it, and I'll be in a bad mood and I'm like, what was wrong with us that day? And then I'll listen to it. Like, I'll just. I park it and I'm like, I'll just listen to it again tomorrow when I'm not in a bad mood. And all of a sudden I'm like, God, that was great.

[B]

Totally, totally.

[C]

It just depends, like, being a really bad mood and go and see a play and not be in the mood for it and just be like, that's. That's what will generate the opinion that you bring on it.

[B]

Well, I think as a theater critic, you. I mean, you have to be above your mood, surely. Do you know what I mean? Like, I think. And he reviewed it when it was in Edinburgh, so he's. He's being an absolute snob about us. It was in Edinburgh. You see, we're all grace Art starts, but you're also like, you're. It's people's livelihood and people's work and people's art. Anyway, look, like I say, fantastic play. If you get a chance to see it, go and see it. And don't ignore and ignore the haters.

[C]

The world is coming to rights again. Well, now, it's not the first time, but I had a great laugh yesterday, as did the whole of the Internet, when Andrew Tate was arrested again with his brother. Not Only was he arrested, which is a bit of a show if you're getting arrested. You're like, oh, for sake, I'm arrested. I he's arrested on pretty high charges and he was arrested in Miami and he's been extradited to the UK and he's being arrested on really, really, really, like trafficking and like indecent images. Like really, really bad charges, because that's the kind of person that he is. But the rig out he was arrested in, the man was wearing the Titus shirt, I think known to man, it was a child's confirmation shirt teamed with a pair of pedal pushers, trousers that were not ankle grazers, they were pretty much just below the knee and a little tiny pair of dancing shoes. And he looked completely ridiculous. And it made me just feel like the world is on a slight little turn. Like I always worry about people like the Conor McGregor's and Andrew Tate of the world and I just really want them to just not be in anyone's eyesight, not be like infecting anyone's brains anymore. And it just bring me joy when I see things like that happen. And it's like, that's the dude that you follow, that you think is cool, like really smart. Nope.

[B]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Andrew Tate has always dressed like a man who just won a million pounds in a fruit machine. He looks like the kind of cheap, classless, he's what, you know those lads, if they, because he's like so the, the, the, the Godfather, the whole manosphere culture. But like they always recommend that they, they're all like posing in front of cars, they down, down and all. It's all just such pretense. So then if they build something real, like a bicep or an app, they have to display it. So they wear these skin tight clothes. Like your man, he looks like Shirley Bassey. He looks like a Latino ballroom dancer. And so for a man who preaches masculinity and is kind of quite homophobic in his runs to then be to be caught or arrested dressed like I, I, I've seen more masculine outfits on Housewives of Beverly Hills. And you're so right, folk, you're so right to mention the charges because sometimes you're like, we can, you know, slagging them off and all. But they're serious, serious charges. Like very serious charges. But in the same breath, the state

[C]

of them, the state of.

[B]

He's about to count you in. 1, 2, 3, 4. 1, 2, 3, four. He makes Michael flatley look butch.

[C]

He does, he does, yeah. I mean did you see Grace Campbell? Did you see. Great. You must have seen Grace Campbell did a post about it. I. Oh my God, she did such a funny video of it and she was like. And you know what else Andrew said in the height of summer, you're ruining pedal pushers for the girls when they've just come back into fashion. It's like I actually looked at his traces and I was like, I was wearing that Silverstone a few weeks ago and now they're gone. And they're gone. They're gone in the bin now. Can't wear them.

[B]

You know, that's gas. Because when I was this morning, I'm so, I'm so glad Grace because I was like, he's wearing pedal pushes. And then they were like it was capri pants. And I was like, maybe it's a pedal pushes as an Irish thing. So I'm glad Grace is on board of the pedal pushing.

[C]

There are pedal. Maybe she said capri pants. We call them pedal pushers.

[B]

We call them paddle pushers.

[C]

Can I just say, girls, that's not let that man ruin another thing that he is not taking pedal pushers away from us and he didn't look great in them and we all look fantastic in them. So let's just decide together that we're all going to keep wearing our pedal pusher capri pants.

[B]

It's the tight clothes, you know, it's like men with it when with the men who have trained torsos wearing skin tight clothes. It's the, it's the male equivalent of a child. The lemonade store kind of like, look what I've made. Do you know what I mean? Look what I've made. Like I've gone out with these lads, I've dated these lads. It's like we don't need to see every ripple of your body. Like it's a status thing now again, raving hypocrite. Because I'm about to go to it. Also we're nothing for a week because I think I have half an app coming through but it's on my ass. So I'm not sure if it's an average cellulite. I don't know what it is. Anyway, I will be whipping it out but I just. It's the silky shirt. It's the, it's the irony of this man preaching this toxic masculine bollocks. And then he's dressed like he, he looks like he's just walked off strictly.

[C]

I know a guy who was. Who who now he's a great bard and friend of. But even his ski suit, even his ski suit was skin tight. I was like, how did you find a ski suit in the right length that you are able to make skin tight on you? I was like, that is absolutely. I applauded. I suppose in a way because I don't know how you've managed to get it to fit you lengthwise. It certainly doesn't fit. Fit you anywhere else. Yeah. Men love showing off when they've got a look at Spencer. Now Spen is nowhere near but like he does. Sven does. Like his body works hard for. But you have a little peep at it in the mirror every so often. I see him just pull his top up. I'm like, there you go.

[B]

I think I would know Spencer's body more than my own at this point. I mean I think I'd struggle to notice my own body in a lineup but I'd certainly recognize his headless torso. I've seen it so often. He loves whipping it out.

[C]

No, yeah, he. He doesn't wear underwear. We've known that for a long time. But currently, for the last like four or five months, he hasn't worn a top either. So it's rare to see him in a top. Sure. He came over to me in the park when I was at the kids picnic. He was on a run. I said, you can't come over to me like that. No school is here. Look at you. Yeah, run away. Run away.

[B]

No clothes on someone. I was looking at the Andrew Tay content. It's really funny. So I was like, you know that he's all about like escaping the Matrix and all this shit. They're like, oh, I didn't, I didn't realize. I didn't realize escaping the Matrix meant getting arrested across three different continents.

[A]

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[B]

I hope now that this because I'm conscious of making him like a joke because I think he's actually way more dangerous than that. Yeah. Like you know, but in the same breath. He is a absolute toxic clown. He's the reason I have material about men not being able to choose sunglasses to suit their face because I. Every interview in these huge, big Ray Ban, like, he's. He is a joke. And his brother. What's the crack with the weird sidekick?

[C]

They're grim. And you know what else, you know what else makes me.

[B]

They're grim. That's such a good term for folk. They're grim.

[C]

They're grim. But you know who else is grim and who has so many followers and people that are, like, actually interested in volume is that complete tosser Conor McGregor. I just feel like he is. The charges that, that are against him are heinous. They're just so bad what he did. And I feel like I. I don't understand if the rest of the world doesn't actually know that yet or else they're just pretending that they don't know it and they're still continuing to put this man on a pedestal. And it makes me. It just makes me so sad that we're still there in the world that somebody like that would be like, you'd be impressed by somebody like that.

[B]

And when the women post these videos, they get this onslaught from men and women saying, oh, hasn't been proved guilty yet, or, you know, wait till the trial. And like, you know, all this, all this mad stuff. It's all very strange. Very strange. But not as strange as the pedal pushers and the loafers.

[C]

Don't forget the silk shirt. Come on. He looks like. What was that video Michael Jackson did where the shirt is going?

[B]

Like, like, oh, what about, what about. What about Earth Song?

[C]

Earth Song kind of look like Michael Jackson Earth Song. But also, I don't think that we need to get into Michael Jackson. Will we do an email to lighten this up?

[B]

Would we not bring out tote bags and T shirts and jumpers with allegedly written on them? Come on. By the way, do you know that I woke up to a message from Amber saying that she's decided that she thinks you ball should go to Carl Cox and she's going to go in and wake you up.

[C]

Okay. So we got home, I went to bed a quarter past 12. Amber left the balcony door open. So I woke up sweating at half one. And then I was like, get to bed. That girl has been on a jolly since she arrived down here in Spain.

[B]

Are you having a ball?

[C]

Having a ball. But she woke up and she was like. She was like, oh, you're the worst person to sleep beside now. I had actually moved the bed away from the wall. I was moving so much of my Sleep. But like, it has nothing to do with the Dr. And stuff that she had last night. It's only me that could have made her sleep.

[B]

I just can't believe, like, and this is on. This is a reflection of me and, and my restrictions. I. If I was a pregnant woman, the fact that you still go out and enjoy yourself blows my mind. I think if I was pregnant and I couldn't like, have a glass or whatever, I think I would just sit inside for nine months gesticulating bore, like staring at the wall. I'm like, there's no point going out. Sure I can't have a drink, there's no point leaving the house. But then that's pathetic. And I realize that.

[C]

Yeah, but some days you do kind of feel like that. But then other days I'm like, right, get off. Just do something. Get out there, waddle around and you'll be happy with yourself.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And the waddle is. Is full on waddling. But not only have I waddle, now I hold my back as I walk at the same time. Oh, you've got to get out there and get done right now. Listen, which, which email do you want? Charcoal or should I take the job?

[B]

My trainer, Olivia was saying that she has. She has two little sausage dogs and she came home one day and one of the sausage dogs, Douglas had broken in. She has locks on the door. He somehow managed to get into where his biscuits are kept and he'd eaten like 10 kgs of biscuits. Anyway. The dog had to have its stomach pumped. Would you believe that? She said it was like. It was just all huge body and these four tiny, tiny little matchstick legs popping out of it. And I had to have a stomach pumped, which cost her 600 prints. And they use charcoal on the dog.

[C]

And not to mention all the. The cost of the food.

[B]

The cost of the food. The image of this huge, like, more

[C]

Bertie's dog food is bloody expensive.

[B]

So I'll go with. What was the other one?

[C]

Should I take the job?

[B]

Should I take the job?

[C]

Hi. Please keep me in on. Love the pod. I'm 27 from Dublin and I feel like I'm at a bit of a crossroads. I feel like I've been working, I've been super responsible my entire 20s. I got my degree masters and then began working in I T. Wow. I bought a flat at 24 with my now fiance.

[B]

Jesus.

[C]

Oh, my God. We took a career break and went traveling for six months. You sound like what my mom would be looking for in a child.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Sounds like she's already taken many jobs.

[C]

We're sitting by the Pill yesterday and it's a family only hotel, which, by the way. Oh, my God, these are the places. Family only, Joe. They've been gatekeeping family only hotels. No, sorry, adults only. Adults only.

[B]

I was like, I don't think I've been gatekeeping family only hotels.

[C]

Well, they've been gatekeeping adult only or I just haven't been to one in so long. It's quiet around the pool joke. There's no noise. Anyway, there was a family in the pool of. Me and Amber were watching them and they were thrown a table tennis ball kind of thing at each other, but it was a beach brat ball. And they were in there for about 45 minutes. Two kids, older obviously, because they were in the adults only hotel. So they were like. I'd say they were in their early 20s. And then they had the mom and the dad and for ages there. And I looked at them and I was like, do you remember we used to do that with mom? We never did. We never ever played anything ever. We used to spend ages doing that with mom and pill. I don't think I've ever been in a pool with my mom or Neil.

[B]

Poor Sandra. All she gets is abuse. And she did her best. She did her best. She did a rest.

[C]

My auntie was telling me my. My auntie Naomi was telling me a story about when her and my mom went to Ibiza years ago, and they were in their 20s. And she was like. And I had to tell your mom to put the pictures of the children away. She kept showing me pictures. And I was like, are you. Are you sure it wasn't just a magazine of some kind? Yeah. Was I in the pictures? And she was like, no. All three of you? And then she tell me that they were asle in their hotel room, and my mom was like, someone's in the room. And Naomi was like, what? Like kind of waking up out of her sleep. The waiter had come up, let himself into their room with a bottle of champagne, and they screamed their heads off, took the champagne, screamed their heads off, and kicked him out. Yeah, he thought that this was going to be a really nice gesture to come up in the middle of the night with a bottle of champagne to two women.

[B]

To two single women in a room. I mean, I know, yeah, if sexual assault is a nice gesture, like what?

[C]

I know.

[B]

In what world is a woman going to be receptive to that? Come on in. We've been waiting all night for you to use your own and Come into our hotel room. Sure. Pop out to the balcony there. We're going to slip on something more comfortable. We'll see out there.

[C]

Oh, this day and age.

[B]

Now he's be going down.

[C]

I'm so aware of how lucky I am and I'm so grateful for my life. However, my dilemma is that I did a mostly creative degree in media and then a master's in art and I never got into that because I went into it for the mortgage, travel, etc.

[B]

Okay. Yeah, yeah,

[C]

okay. I've always felt like I should be doing something creative and I do get a bit drained in my current job, even though it's really secure and the people are lovely. I tried to counteract this by doing a floristry course. Who is this lovely? After work.

[B]

Lovely.

[C]

Yeah. She's like, what we want to be, we aspire to being you. I fell in love with. I have.

[B]

I have signed up for a ceramics class now.

[C]

I'm gonna need to see the email for that. I just. I feel like I'm not sure you have.

[B]

How dare you. You won't see the email, though. But what you will see is the breakfast set I'm about to make.

[C]

Yeah, okay. I look forward to.

[B]

I signed up to make a breakfast.

[C]

Enjoy a decaf tea at night.

[B]

Well, you're not having it. I will have it.

[C]

Okay. Now I'm worried if I get the. Oh, I've applied for a job in a flower shop and now I have an interview. Now I'm worried if I get the job, even though I'd love it without Dublin, is it would affect us getting a house next year. My friends and family all say I worry and plan too much and put too much pressure on myself. I just don't know whether to take this leap into a less secure job that might delay buying a house or stay on the current path, get the house and hopefully explore floristry later. I get a bit like I'm running out of time and I don't know. And I don't. If I don't do it now, when I will? When will I? Which I know is dramatic. At 27, I can hear how it sounds, which is why I don't want to bother my friends with it too much. That's why I think you lovely ladies would give the best advice as you seem to have reinvented yourselves at different stages of your life.

[B]

Yeah. Probably have a few left in us, to be honest. So my, my. My first thought is that the. And I don't. I hope this doesn't sound condescending but at 27, I think you. And she flagged herself. You are so. As, as women in our 40s, you are so young. You're so young and, and, and it's fantastic. I don't mean that to be patronizing. You don't. I think I was still living in my mom's attic at 27, but I was also insane at the time. But you are like, I didn't even get into stand up until I was in my early 30s, so. And I hadn't a pot to piss in for years. Like, like, not literally. Remember mushroom toilet, like all that stuff. And then, thank God, started making an income through doing something that I love. But it was like late on in the day. It took me about six or seven years. I was basically working for all I would say. I don't know if you're going to agree with me here. Vogue at that actually. And I'm going to sound like my mother here now. I would stick with the job at the moment is not terrible. I would get a. Just get a house and then go and explore the floristry because I had a friend who did exactly that. She was super creative. I think she studied fashion in college and she was working in a kind of a corporate style job and she absolutely hated us. She went exactly like this, did floristry, went to work in a flower shop and then actually had to leave then and go back and take something else because she like that was trying to get on the property ladder, but she was on her own trying to get on the property ladder and she was like, this is just never gonna happen. And now she kind of just flowers you on the side, which is. So she's still kind of getting the, the artistic kick that she needs. But she's bought a house and I don't know, am I just getting really old where. I'm thinking that that should be the priority at 27. And then do you have explore your creative side in your spare time and then work towards doing it full time when you get the house. Am I just. Am I just really old now? I mean, I didn't do that. That was a bit rich for me to say it. I didn't do it at all. I, I did not do that. I did literally the opposite thing.

[C]

I think on paper that's what makes sense. But my feeling as somebody who is really like, like I'm the same as Joanne. When I was 27, I was living in Australia. I was married to somebody else that I'm not married to now. My life Was nowhere near where it is today. What I'm doing today, I feel like. And I felt like this over the last, like, six months especially. I just feel so lucky that I'm in a job that I love so much. Like, I love all the different parts of my job. You're 27. Okay, let's say you don't take the job in the florist and you keep doing the job that you're doing, and then you get your house, and then you take the job in the flowers. Can you afford to keep your house if you have the job in the flowers after having it? Or is it always going to be, you're working this job so you have enough money to have the lifestyle that you want. But, like, is the lifestyle worth spending so much of your week in a job that you don't love, that doesn't bring you joy, that doesn't make you happy every day? Whereas you could be doing something in floristry and, like, you could be working for somebody else to begin with. But, like, I know amazing florists that do all these things for events, for people that are like, really, you know what?

[B]

That's actually true.

[C]

You could move on. You sound like the kind of person that could move. You sound like you've got a really good head on your shoulders. And I think that if that's what's going to make you happy and you should try and take the leap, like, of course it would be amazing if you could buy a house. But, like, you're 27. Like, that's very young to be thinking of buying a house. It's amazing, of course, but, like, it's very rare that people are buying houses. 27.

[B]

What happened to the apartment? Did she not say she bought an apartment?

[C]

She did. So you're on the property ladder. Yeah. You're on the property ladder.

[B]

I'm doing a hell 180. I'm like, like, go. You've got a gap already. Go.

[C]

Your flowers. I would say do the florist record. I would say do the, like, if you do it. And after a year, you're like, I wish. I wish I hadn't done that. You can go back, you can buy your house, you can get your old job back. But this seems like something that you'll really enjoy and you'll love. I think go with your gut on the fact that you'll really enjoy it and just worry about all the adult stuff later. You're 27. Just try and enjoy yourself.

[B]

And you know what? Like, I'm so very well said. And shame on me because I've just given someone the opposite advice of what I actually personally did myself, which is a bit nuts. So I kind of slipped into some sort of maternal mode there. Yeah, it up. Can't be a florist and let us know.

[C]

We'd like to see some of your work.

[B]

I'm open to regular bouquets if she does get down the floristry route. Folk hates flowers notoriously so.

[C]

I love flowers. Don't tell anyone that. That was a mistake. I love them.

[B]

We all make mistakes. We all make mistakes. We're flawed. Except Andrew Tate. He's a.

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