MTGM EXTRA! "Don't judge me."

Summary

Podcast Summary: My Therapist Ghosted Me - MTGM EXTRA! "Don't Judge Me."

Episode Release Date: February 26, 2025
Hosts: Vogue Williams & Joanne McNally

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Introduction and Morning Routines (00:02 - 04:05)

The episode kicks off with light-hearted banter between Vogue Williams and Joanne McNally, setting a humorous tone for the show. Vogue discusses her full face of makeup, attributing it to their new flexi program, which prompts playful teasing from Joanne and their guest, John.

Notable Quotes:

• Vogue Williams (00:27): "We're recording a new flexi program and that's why I have makeup on."
• John (00:20): "Vogue. Why at this barbaric time in the morning have you got a full face of makeup?"

The conversation transitions to personal routines, with Vogue sharing her morning habits to ensure a good night's sleep, while John humorously recounts his attempt to sleep using melatonin and a Negroni, leading to a vivid description of his unsettling dream about a tarantula.

Notable Quote:

• John (00:57): "I just have to because I feel like my inside. I dreamt all night that I was being chased by a tarantula."

Skincare and Fitness Discussions (04:05 - 06:11)

Vogue updates listeners on her recent visit to the Institute of Dermatology, proudly announcing her new silver tier status with Aer Lingus, granting her access to the airline's lounge. The hosts humorously discuss their skincare routines and fitness commitments, with John lamenting the rapid absorption of his skincare products due to his active lifestyle.

Notable Quotes:

• Vogue Williams (04:05): "I came back to Dublin, I went straight in to see Katrina at the Institute of Dermatology... I got my brows done as well."
• John (05:40): "I'm in fitness all the time."

Aer Lingus Lounge Access and Frequent Flying (06:11 - 12:54)

The conversation delves into the perks and challenges of frequent flying, particularly focusing on Lounge access. Vogue shares her excitement about her silver tier membership, while John humorously recounts his struggles to gain similar access without the appropriate membership. Their playful exchange highlights the exclusivity of airline lounges and the lengths they go to enjoy the amenities.

Notable Quotes:

• Vogue Williams (09:12): "I've got some news that's going to inspire jealousy within you."
• John (11:28): "Do you know what, can I use your card or whatever?"

Listener's Confession and Relationship Advice (15:24 - 20:23)

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to addressing a listener's heartfelt confession seeking advice. Vogue shares the story of a woman who has been in a stagnant four-year relationship with the father of her child. Despite being in love and sharing a child, the relationship lacks commitment, leading the woman to engage in an on-and-off affair with her child's father to reignite excitement in her life. Overwhelmed by the situation and fearing confrontation, she seeks guidance on how to amicably end the relationship.

Notable Quotes:

• Vogue Williams (15:32): "We spent one whole weekend together in the four years and I've never cooked him a meal."
• Vogue Williams (16:34): "Please give me advice and tell me how to break this off. I hate confrontation."
• John (17:03): "There's a lot to unpack there."

Hosts' Advice and Analysis (17:03 - 21:32)

Vogue and John delve into the complexities of the listener's situation, emphasizing the importance of honest communication and self-respect. They discuss the dynamics of the listener's relationships, highlighting the lack of fulfillment and the unhealthy patterns that have emerged. The hosts advocate for setting boundaries and making difficult decisions to prioritize personal well-being over fear of loneliness.

Notable Quotes:

• Vogue Williams (17:08): "You need to protect your peace and get out of that."
• John (18:00): "Situationships are very. They're never an equal situation. There's always one."

The conversation concludes with a reflection on the challenges of first relationships and the necessity of ending unfulfilling partnerships for personal growth and happiness.

Notable Quotes:

• Vogue Williams (20:23): "You're like, bringing it all to the table. You're like, cards on the table."
• John (21:32): "It's so grown up."

Closing Remarks and Final Banter (21:32 - 22:21)

In the final moments, the hosts celebrate their ability to provide meaningful advice after four years of podcasting, humorously questioning their qualifications and joking about potential future careers in life coaching. They wrap up the episode with gratitude towards their listeners and tease upcoming content.

Notable Quotes:

• Vogue Williams (21:25): "Yeah. Congratulations, guys. After four years, we've done it."
• John (21:45): "I'm telling you, if comedy doesn't work out, I would go into life coaching unqualified."

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Conclusion

In this episode of "My Therapist Ghosted Me," Vogue Williams and Joanne McNally blend humor with heartfelt advice, offering listeners both laughter and meaningful insights. From personal anecdotes about makeup and frequent flying to deep dives into complex relationship issues, the hosts maintain an engaging and relatable dialogue. The standout segment addressing a listener's troubled relationship showcases their ability to navigate sensitive topics with empathy and practical guidance, making the episode both entertaining and valuable for a wide audience.

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Transcript

[John]

This is a Global Player original podcast.

[Vogue Williams]

Hello and welcome to my therapist Ghost of Me with me, Vogue Williams and Joanne McNally.

[John]

Vogue. Why @ this barbaric time in the morning have you got a full face of makeup? Why are you showing me and Jo up?

[Vogue Williams]

Well thank you so much for asking John, because that gives me the opportunity to tell people that. That we're recording a new flexi program and that's why I have makeup on.

[Joanne McNally]

Oh, she's absolutely done.

[John]

Since what time have you been flexing?

[Vogue Williams]

Since oh half. It's 9am do you know what? I haven't you. I think that you forget that like I looked at my phone last night at half ten and I was like. And like I turned my lights off immediately so I wake up quarter to seven because I'm frightened. By the time I've gone to bed I've had a full nearly eight hours sleep. I'm okay.

[John]

Well I had last night. I'm in a hotel in Dublin, I'm back for some bits and I had a very delicious Negroni and a melatonin that from that I got off the shelf in America last night. Well, well, well to say I slept Jesus. But I was having. And I know we're not allowed to talk about dreams because they're so boring. They're so boring but I. I just have to because I feel like my inside. I dreamt all night that I was being chased by a tarantula.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh I would not like that.

[John]

And I was trying to hit. It was going in the walls and it was lump. I could see it's like it's car like it outline on the walls and I was trying to. It was horrible. What's that about Joe? What's that about?

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah Joe, what is it?

[John]

Is it the manatonin or the. No groaning Joe. Which isn't because like which one am I doing? Because I'm not going to lose either of them. I'm just going to keep going But I just like to know which one's causing the problems.

[Joanne McNally]

All I can do is crop up to be boring and offer the advice which is that medically you're not supposed.

[John]

To drink in an alcohol whatever.

[Joanne McNally]

That's not a good thing.

[John]

Don't do that. Sorry Joe, do you actually know that or are you just saying that?

[Vogue Williams]

I just googled it.

[Joanne McNally]

No, NHS says don't do it.

[John]

They're always saying like that tell you.

[Vogue Williams]

Not to do anything. Joanne, it's the system.

[John]

They just don't want you to have a good time. It's the man, it's a conspiracy theory. It's the lizard people. It's Scientology. It's all that.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, I'm not, I'm not getting into dreams either, but I feel like you should know this because I had a sex dream about one of your good friends.

[John]

Oh, okay. Can I guess?

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah.

[John]

Man or woman?

[Vogue Williams]

Man.

[John]

Gay or straight?

[Vogue Williams]

Gay. Gar.

[John]

Garod. No, Brandon.

[Vogue Williams]

Brandon.

[John]

Yeah. He's looking great at the moment. He's looking great. Brandon. Brandon. Courtney's looking great. He's looking great.

[Vogue Williams]

I haven't even told him about it. I think it was when you mentioned the Speedos or something. And then that night, all of a sudden I'm in a bath with Brandon.

[John]

Oh yeah, the Speedos.

[Vogue Williams]

You were talking about his little tight little things that he was swimming or something like that. Which I would, I wouldn't usually be attracted to but obviously that day I, I was. Because I went to bed that night and found myself in a bath with Brandon.

[John]

Yeah, he'd be delighted to hear that. Now he's gone, he's having a glow up. I actually said to him last night, I was like, you look amazing at the moment. What's going on? He's like, I don't know what it is. He's just got an energy about him.

[Vogue Williams]

I think when you're happy it kind of, it kind of comes from within.

[John]

Yeah.

[Vogue Williams]

Face.

[John]

Yeah, that's true. That's, that's actually, that is actually true. It is, yeah. Do I look happy at the moment at 9am with no makeup on? How happy do I look?

[Vogue Williams]

Do you know what? I will say you look a lot better than me with no makeup on because you don't have the black eyes. You do.

[John]

But we've discussed this before. I think the black under eye is a little bit sexy. If you don't watch yourself, I'll be dreaming about you and me in the bath. You better keep that under eye concealer on.

[Vogue Williams]

That's why I got up at 7 this morning to put the makeup on. I was like, I better not be turning her on. We're trying to work. Yeah, we're trying to work here.

[John]

Trying to work. I can't be aroused this early in the morning. I like that kind of heroiny, chicy under eye thing. I really do.

[Vogue Williams]

I'm glad. I'm glad.

[John]

Especially as you age, your under eyes are the real danger zone. But I see my under eyes there.

[Vogue Williams]

You don't have any under eyes yet.

[John]

You know why? Cuz I was in with Dr. Y again. I've more. I Have more fish sperm in my face than a. Than an aquarium. C, bro, if there was. If there was. If in some other planet there's fish, it's run by fish and there's a brothel in one of their fishy towns. I have more fish semen in my face than that.

[Vogue Williams]

You are starting to smell like fish as well.

[John]

There's no need for that. Folk. There's no need to go into that.

[Vogue Williams]

Was she eating tuna or was she back with Dr. Hewing? I don't know.

[John]

There's no need to accuse a woman. Smell like fish. It's below you. It's below you.

[Vogue Williams]

Ah, come on. That's not below me. Come on.

[John]

No, sorry, you're right, it's. You're right, it's not below you.

[Vogue Williams]

I know we talk about our faces and stuff, but I. I came back to Dublin, I went straight in to see Katrina at the Institute of Dermatology and I'm like, spencer, wait till you see me now. When I get home. Wait till. See me. I'm gonna look great. You're gonna die. You're gonna die. I got my brows done as well. I'm literally waltzing home thinking I'm. I did.

[John]

Yeah, yeah. But it takes it. When you get a bit. When you get the kind of tweak ones, it does take it. You don't look fresh straight away. Usually it can take a little day. Like for example, the fish sperm kind of gathers in. Like what for? For. For all intents is tiny testicles under the skin. And then you have to kind of roll it out a little bit because I said to you. And put in. Cuz there's different layers and because my body breaks down stuff quicker for some reason. I don't know why. Yeah, I know.

[Vogue Williams]

I know some people.

[John]

Some people you could put a little juice in their face that last for ages. And other people, it just doesn't last as long for some reason. I don't know why. I guess it's just because I'm so sporty now. I'm just kind of burning through it. Cuz I'm in fitness.

[Vogue Williams]

Cuz you're in fitness all the time.

[John]

Exactly. Yeah. Cuz I'm in fitness. I would have had that flexi app if you just watch. Get me involved.

[Vogue Williams]

Well, I've tried to get you involved. And then I'm like, joanne, where's your band? And now I'm trying to get you on. She's actually into it. Last night I was like, do you want to start? We'll train together once a Week. Really heavy weights. We'll do really heavy weights once. Do you remember that? You do.

[John]

I don't. I actually don't. I've grown. It kicked in at that point. What did I commit to?

[Vogue Williams]

You were really excited about it. I've already, I've already looked into prices.

[John]

That sounds like for our new trainer. Really? Are we gonna do it? I'd love to do that.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, we're gonna do it. It's a gym in Victoria. He's a really good trainer. And we're gon once a week and it's going to be our bonding session.

[John]

Our work day out. I. When I get dementia, do you know what the scary thing is? No one will even notice. I'll be left to live alone, independently throughout the whole thing. Because I know when I notice. Because I, I, I might. I have the worst memory. It's weird. If I had like.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, but it's because you had a Negroni last night when I had a drink and I read my book. I told you that. I forgot about like six pages of the book and I read them again.

[John]

I was like, oh, Ah, yes. Yeah. Like sometimes I have to reread. I'm like, joanne, you're not focusing. You have to reread. Look at the words. That's. Sometimes I'll underline things to kind of really try and get the cogs clicking. Because I'm like, come on now, focus. Once I get this 18 each ADHD diagnosis, everything is going to change. Okay. For all. For you as well. To you. You're not even going to know me.

[Vogue Williams]

I don't think you have ADD.

[John]

TDD. Well, your man that well. Dr. Obi, my new best friend emailed me again last night going, are you going to finish that paperwork or.

[Vogue Williams]

I think, I mean, I think it's less ADD. It's more can't forest. It's CBA. You've got CBA.

[John]

That's a very 80s mother approach to neurodiversity vogue.

[Vogue Williams]

I don't think.

[John]

I don't have it. I don't, I don't appreciate your pull up your socks attitude. Okay? I'm here for the Ritalin, so if you can keep your opinions to yourself. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. That's the one. That's the one. I'm telling you, once I get that, once I get that Adderall, you won't.

[Vogue Williams]

Be able to sleep.

[John]

I've got the melatonin and the groundies for that. It's gonna be, it's gonna be quite the roller coaster. I hope I don't go full Roseanne Bar on all this stuff and lose. Start tweeting loads of mad shit.

[Vogue Williams]

I think that's actually. I think that's the road you're exactly about to go down. If there was a road called go insane and start tweeting. Yeah, that's where you're. You've just turned right onto that road.

[John]

Between the hours of 1am and 5am actually a raving racist. And then I wake up just like a normal person again. Joe, you need to keep it. You need to keep an eye on my Twitter thread. You wouldn't know what. I don't know what this concoction is going to do. And by the way, I'm joking. I'm not on anything at the moment.

[Joanne McNally]

So.

[John]

Which is probably more of a concern.

[Vogue Williams]

Look at the sincerity in her eyes. Okay. I'm not what we know.

[John]

When you know yourself now, people would be like, joanne can't be. That's really irresponsible to be promoting because they think that anything you say and this is your promoting. It's like, I'm actually not technically promoting it. I'm just saying it's something that is going to be in my life. Fingers crossed if I fill out the paperwork.

[Vogue Williams]

John, I've got. I've got some news that's going to inspire jealousy within you. Oh, no.

[John]

Russell to straight. And you banged him?

[Vogue Williams]

No.

[John]

Okay, well, then. Then we're safe.

[Vogue Williams]

I'd much prefer your man from Bridgerton. Makes me sad. Never get my hands on him.

[John]

Lovely.

[Vogue Williams]

Okay. I realized the other day that I am silver tier in Aer Lingus, which means I now have access to the lounge.

[John]

Those pricks.

[Vogue Williams]

I paid my wage, I bought enough flights and I stored my points. Unlike somebody I know, I store points.

[John]

When I think about it. But, like, I got so many flights around the States and I didn't store any of those points. Where do you store them? You'd be platinum.

[Vogue Williams]

You wouldn't even be cold. You'd be platinum.

[John]

I'd be in the White House at this point. I did so many American flights, internal, domestic.

[Vogue Williams]

I couldn't believe my luck. My mom told me about it. I actually didn't even realize. And in. I waltzed. And then I got in there and I was like, I actually need to make a phone call. A private one. So I had to leave again. But I was in there. I didn't get anything. But like, I know it's there now.

[John]

Sorry. Let the. Let the record show. Let the record show. I have been in the airport the air lingers.

[Vogue Williams]

I'll get you in. Let's fly together. I'll get you in.

[John]

I was a guest of somebody else. And then another time I tried to pay my way in, but I was flying with another airline. They're like, that's not how it works, baby. You have to be flying with Aerlingus. No, you can pay in, but you have to be flying with their lingus.

[Vogue Williams]

No bother to me. I'm gonna go to the airport at 6am tomorrow. My flight's not till 2.

[John]

Like, let us know what happens.

[Vogue Williams]

I was only in and out. Yes. I didn't even get. I didn't even get a free Coke Zero or anything. I just went and I had to go straight back out.

[John]

I just assume it's like Erlinga's pilots kind of massaging feet and kind of. You're getting loads of very hands on. Not in a sexy way, just in a very service way. And then loads of free booze, loads of free food. Irish food like cuddle and what?

[Vogue Williams]

There's free booze. I got some of those spicy rice crackers. Cuz that's all I had time to grab. But there's free food, there's a full bar.

[John]

This is. I have been in lounges, okay. I. I fly. I'm a frequent flyer.

[Vogue Williams]

A frequent flyer who is not. Who is not a silver member.

[John]

Come here. Do you know what, can I use your card or whatever?

[Vogue Williams]

No, I'm the other one. I'm Vogue. I'm Vogue. Yeah.

[John]

They don't. No one tells the. No one knows the difference between the two of us anyway.

[Vogue Williams]

I'll see if Amber has one. You'll definitely get away with hers.

[John]

Yeah, they'll be like, oh, it's one of them. It's one of them in drag. I don't know which one of them is. Just let them in. Let her in. We never know. We're too embarrassed to ask.

[Vogue Williams]

Do you know what?

[John]

Well, can I. Okay. So folk, will you. You're in witherling us.

[Vogue Williams]

I'm not. I had to pay for that from all the flights that I've taken. I'm not in with them. I don't get anything. I do now. I do now with my silver tear.

[John]

Right? Crackers. Would you believe. Look at you. What a baller. I think it's rice crackers. Well, hello. Someone's doing okay.

[Vogue Williams]

Did you ever hear Deirdre o' Kane's joke about when flew business once and she was like, I changed my walk as soon as I walked into the air Lingus and I was like, head high, nose in the air.

[John]

Yeah. She's dressing for the job she wants. So funny. I know. Listen, Vogue, next time you're in, grab us a couple of those crackers, will you? And I'll get them off you. Next time in London.

[Vogue Williams]

Of course I will.

[John]

Let's make the most of this place. Let's make them bring in a bag. Bring in, like a little sports bag.

[Vogue Williams]

They might. Let's rinse that place. I know they have shortbread, too. Little mini shortbread crackers. They'd look great. If you have a friend staying, you can put them beside their bed as a bedtime treat.

[John]

Facts.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah. What do they call it? A party favorite? No, a bedtime favor.

[John]

A bedtime treat. A turn down bedtime favor.

[Vogue Williams]

A bedtime favor is something slightly different.

[John]

I'd like to turn down a bedtime favor, if that's okay. If I'm the one doing it. If I'm receiving a bedtime favor, I would turn it up.

[Vogue Williams]

Well, when Brendan's ever saying that, you let me know. I'll come over and give him a bedtime favor.

[John]

He'd be thrilled.

[Vogue Williams]

I haven't told him that he's gonna hear it for the first time on this pod. I was like, it's too weird.

[John]

He's gay. But he says himself, he's like, I'm very drawn to attractive women. He said it himself. I was like, yeah, I think that's why gay men love straight, pretty women. And it's a. It's a collaborative. We love to. We love the male energy without any strings, you know?

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, that's true.

[John]

Because you know me, vogue any man I'm friends with. It's a slippery slope for them, remember?

[Vogue Williams]

I absolutely agree with you. I'd say I'm like, beware, Joe. Where? That's why Joe doesn't like to be in studio with you.

[John]

I know. That's why we've gone remote too.

[Vogue Williams]

Turned on. Yeah.

[John]

I'm like, we can see what's happening, Joe. And we're not. We don't appreciate it. Step into the hallway, please. Sort yourself out. Relax. I'm just trying to live my life. I'm just trying to live my life. Just take a breather. Okay?

[Vogue Williams]

Okay, okay.

[John]

Would it help if you saw me from the left hand side, Joe? That's not my best angle. Would that help you at the moment?

[Vogue Williams]

I've tried it, Joanne. I've tried it myself. Don't bother. Hi, girls. And Joe, longtime listener. Absolutely love the pod. Thank you for making me Laugh so much. Please don't judge me. I don't think anyone is in a position to judge anyone.

[John]

Okay, no, focus. Just talked about Robin Rice crackers out of there. I think we're all I have, actually, that he'd be driving in from. How to know the car pulling up on Dublin Airport. All her minions, all the staff. She's like, go, go. Like Ocean's Eleven. Go in there, links lounge. It's rinsed. There isn't a cracker in the airport left. I'm entitled.

[Vogue Williams]

They won't know what hit them. Shut up. They might take it back off me.

[John]

She's taking all the optics and all the furniture out of the lounge as well.

[Vogue Williams]

I'm gonna start ripping the seats off the plane and everything. Oh, this is okay.

[John]

I'm a child. I'm a silver member. Yeah.

[Vogue Williams]

My mom and Neil are like platinum. I don't know what they. I think they've been stealing my points.

[John]

She's one of the cabin crew in the boot of the suv. She's like, I'm a Titus. I'm platinum member. She works for me now.

[Vogue Williams]

Okay, background. I've been with my partner 4 years, not met his family. We've spent. Oh, that's a long time, isn't it? We spent one whole weekend together in the four years and I've never cooked him a meal. I've asked numerous times and he just doesn't want me to cook. That's not the worst.

[John]

That's fair. That's fine.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, wait. Offensive because I'm a brilliant cook. Yes. It's weird. He comes around on evenings and within a couple of hours he's asleep. I've checked his phone numerous times and there's nothing. I did take his virginity and I'm his first relationship, so I've had enough. We've had numerous arguments about all of this.

[John]

Sorry, that's just. I just wasn't expecting that last kind of fatal line. Go on.

[Vogue Williams]

And nothing changes. So I've ended up kind of sleeping with my child's dad on and off. And I. Oh yeah. And I'm loving the excitement and it has put a spark back into my life. My child's dad and I are like best mates, but he just can't commit. But I'd marry him tomorrow if things were different.

[John]

Oh, oh, oh, that.

[Vogue Williams]

I just can't cut the relationship off with a long term boyfriend. I hate being alone, but I know I'm being awful. Please give me advice and tell me how to break this off. I hate confrontation. And this is not like me at all. But, hey, here we are. Please keep being on for obvious reasons and tell me straight what and how I deal. Oh, I think you've got a few little issues going on there. Not just the one. I.

[John]

There's a lot to unpack. A lot to unpack there.

[Vogue Williams]

I think the partner of four years isn't really rocking your boat anymore. And I think that.

[John]

Certainly not.

[Vogue Williams]

No. And I think that if you're wanting to sleep with your child's dad all the time, that kind of shows you that you're not getting what you want from your relationship that you're currently in. And even though you don't want to be alone, and it is scary to be alone, I don't know if it's right to stay there for both of you.

[John]

Well, the first. The first boyfriend, it's his first relationship, so he doesn't know what he's doing. Right. And, like, no one knows what they're doing in their first relationship. You have to learn as you go four years in. Yeah, but he is no ref. He is no reference point. He has no context. This is all he knows. Right. So maybe he's not getting what he needs either. But he doesn't know. He just thinks this is what it is. And it sounds like it's just kind of. It sounds like it's kind of plodding along, doesn't it?

[Vogue Williams]

Like not being as I've plotted. Plod.

[John]

But she's plotting. She's plotting along with the first guy. The first guy is not the right relationship for either of them. The second guy is a. Is a. Is a kind of a sexy situationship.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, I know. But it's also a situation that she wants to marry him and that's her child's dad. And that would be like the. That. That if that turned into a happy ending, I'd be really happy to read that book.

[John]

Sorry, what I meant was a sexy situationship for him. As I say, situation ships. Situationships are very. They're never an equal situation. There's always one. I've. In my personal experience, there's always one who would like to kind of fold it into something more serious. That. That's my experience of it, anyway. And I'm usually that person. I'm usually.

[Vogue Williams]

That one was talking about her origami penis again. Remember you told that story? I think about that a lot, actually. Whenever I hear the word fold, I'm like, joanne.

[John]

Oh, yeah, I'm clipping up for second. I put it online. Anyway, that's a Different story. Yeah. I've given up on the dream that Netflix is going to buy it. I have to accept that they're not.

[Vogue Williams]

So I actually cannot bear that you don't put up the clips it drives.

[John]

I have to put up clips but I have to know because I'm trying to sell this European tour and my agent's like Joanne, how do you. Because I'm like oh it's not going as fast as I thought. And he's like yeah, because there's no clips online. You have no clips. Because I was holding Prosecco back Anyway, whatever about that. The clips are going up soon. But she's both these. Neither of these relationship. She's not going to get what she needs from either of these men. From what I can tell, one is plotting and the other she's too invested and he's never going to commit to her. By the sounds of it. She needs to protect her peace and get out of that. She needs to get out of the two of them and you know, confrontation is shit. But sometimes, and I say this as someone who is allergic to confrontation, it actually makes me feel physically sick in my stomach sometimes you have to do the right thing. Suck it up and tell him. You just have to.

[Vogue Williams]

And you know what? You might be lonely for a period of time but it will in the end it will work out the way it's supposed to. And you never know, it might give your man the child's dad a kick up the auris to change his ways. I don't know if that will happen by the sounds of him. But I also hoping for the romance at the end. I'm always wanting it.

[John]

Being secretly in love with the father of your child who is obviously you've great sex, you've built a kid together but he won't commit to you and he's probably sleeping with other people. That sounds like a low level kind of hell to me. This is. This woman needs needs to address this stat. You'll just. Because you will just plot along in love with him for the rest of your life.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah.

[John]

And you can't get rid of him because you've got a kid. I don't know what the solution here is. I do.

[Vogue Williams]

What?

[John]

Oh yeah, I do tell them that's what I would do.

[Vogue Williams]

I mean that is always. Yeah but if you're gonna so you have to tell the partner for years for first of all and then you need to talk to the child's father and say listen, I'm actually I'm still in love with you. And like, this isn't. Yeah, this isn't going to be good for me. So. And then that. Then he knows. Like, I'm sure he does know, but then he knows. Knows. You will feel like you've done as much as you can and then you can move forward.

[John]

You're like, bringing it all to the table. You're like, cards on the table. Real talk. This is how I feel. How do you feel? And he's like, well, if he's like, I don't want to commit. I'm still in the same boat, then. Then you're like, well, let. We need to cut this off then. Because I'm very invested in this. And if he is a sound guy, he will. If he's not a sound guy, he will just keep riding you and leading you on, basically. And kind of. Brett, it's like keeping you there, giving you enough rope to kind of keep you there.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah.

[John]

But he's never going to give you. He's never gonna, like, tie you to the fence. Yeah, yeah, whatever. Yeah.

[Vogue Williams]

I think that's the first time. Yeah. We actually gave. All right. Advice that time.

[John]

I was more. I was more pleased with the analogy. But, yes, I think. Also think the advice was good.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah. Congratulations, guys. After four years, we've done it.

[John]

Are we charged? Are we qualified?

[Vogue Williams]

It's so grown up.

[Joanne McNally]

I'll send her the bill.

[John]

Send her the bill, Joe. Yeah. What are we, 250 an hour? That's the gown, right? Yeah.

[Vogue Williams]

That's what the expensive ones are. We'll get a place on Harley Street. Will we? We can charge 400 an hour.

[John]

Just randomly zooming into people's sitting room, telling them to leave their husbands. I'd love that as a job. That sounds like. I'm telling you, if comedy doesn't work out, I would go. I would go into life coaching unqualified. Yeah.

[Vogue Williams]

Well, there you go. That's it for. For the bonus today. Thank you, everyone, for listening. We'll see you for the main on Friday.

[John]

Life coaching. I feel like. I feel like I'd be good at that.