MTGM EXTRA! "He wants a break. I haven't slept."

Summary

Podcast Summary: My Therapist Ghosted Me – Episode: MTGM EXTRA! "He wants a break. I haven't slept."

Hosts: Joanne McNally & Vogue Williams
Release Date: June 11, 2025
Podcast Description: Join Vogue Williams & Joanne McNally for a weekly chat with 100% honesty guaranteed.

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1. Introduction and Technical Troubles

Timestamp: [00:02 - 04:30]

The episode kicks off with Joanne McNally joining from Amsterdam and Vogue Williams from London. Vogue humorously laments the absence of their usual co-host, Joe, indicating early on that the episode will feature some light-hearted banter and complaints.

Vogue exclaims, "I don't know how it's recording, but it is. And Joe's not here. So let's, let's start by bitching about Joe." (00:21), setting a casual and candid tone for the discussion.

2. Delivery Frustrations and Home Updates

Timestamp: [00:36 - 03:18]

Vogue shares her distress over a delayed homeware delivery, expressing her frustration with the delivery company's lack of communication and mishandling of her order. She recounts, "I actually just nearly burst into tears. I was like, I just can't believe." (01:32) This segment highlights the everyday challenges of managing home improvements and the emotional toll of seemingly minor inconveniences.

Joanne transitions to her own home updates, discussing her new Italian vintage coffee table. She humorously mentions receiving "snowflakes" (comments) jokingly suggesting it’s a setup for a party involving "class A drugs." (02:28) Their playful banter underscores the blend of personal anecdotes and humor that characterizes their discussions.

3. The Rise of AI and Its Impact

Timestamp: [04:07 - 05:00]

The conversation shifts to concerns about artificial intelligence (AI) replacing human roles. Joanne expresses her fear for voiceover artists, stating, "There are going to be a serious amount of money and jobs now." (04:28) Similarly, Vogue draws parallels with self-checkout tills, emphasizing the value of human interaction: "There's nothing like a real person." (05:00)

They lament the loss of charm and charisma in AI-generated content, with Joanne remarking, "It's like listening to a USB bark at you. It's just awful." (04:45) This segment reflects a broader societal anxiety about automation and the diminishing role of human touch in various industries.

4. Book Recommendations and Reading vs. Listening

Timestamp: [05:12 - 07:02]

Joanne and Vogue discuss their preferences for reading over listening to audiobooks. Joanne mentions her current read, Hags by Victoria Smith, focusing on the demonization of middle-aged women, and prefers reading it to better absorb and annotate the content. (05:57)

Vogue shares her enthusiasm for The Go Between recommended by John Boyne, praising its captivating narrative despite initial doubts. She advises, "If you've bad eyesight, I'd maybe, I don't know, get it on your Kindle and make it bigger." (06:33) Their exchange underscores the importance of engagement with content in a manner that suits individual preferences.

5. Upcoming Shows and Personal Plans

Timestamp: [07:02 - 09:09]

The hosts discuss their upcoming show in Amsterdam, including a visit to the Museum of Prostitution. Joanne outlines her packed schedule: "At eight. No interval. They don't do intervals on the continent, so it's for road 15. Me straight on, hour and 10. Bang." (07:45)

Vogue muses about partaking in local customs, mentioning edibles and alcohol, while Joanne jokes about having a pre-show cigarette to manage stress. This segment highlights their dynamic personalities and the balance between professional commitments and personal indulgences.

6. Relationship Struggles: "He Wants a Break"

Timestamp: [09:34 - 17:56]

The core of the episode revolves around Vogue’s personal relationship challenge. Vogue shares her heartbreak as her boyfriend, after nearly five years together, asks for a break. She articulates her pain: "I haven't slept since, and it's killing me. What do you do?" (11:00)

Joanne empathizes deeply, echoing similar past experiences. Joanne recounts a relationship where intermittent breaks led to a "nervous breakdown," emphasizing the emotional turmoil such situations can provoke. (13:24)

Vogue draws parallels with the TV show Friends, referencing Ross's infamous "we were on a break" line to illustrate her fears that her boyfriend might be using the break to see someone else. She states, "It's shorthand for I'm going to have sex with someone else." (11:29)

7. Advice on Navigating Relationship Breaks

Timestamp: [12:30 - 17:56]

Joanne and Vogue offer candid advice to listeners dealing with similar situations. They discuss the manipulative nature of taking a break, where one partner maintains control and leaves the other in emotional limbo. Joanne suggests, "If you can bring yourself to, sack him off if you can." (16:34)

Vogue emphasizes self-love and not allowing oneself to be dragged down: "I love myself more than what you're willing to give me." (12:31) They advocate for recognizing one's worth and not settling for ambiguous relationship statuses that cause unnecessary suffering.

The hosts encourage direct communication, advising that if a partner’s actions indicate testing the waters for other relationships, it might be healthier to end things outright rather than endure ongoing uncertainty. Joanne adds, "A break is just... he's trying to maintain some level of control over her." (17:26)

8. Intimacy and Relationship Dynamics

Timestamp: [17:57 - 21:04]

Transitioning from relationship woes, Joanne and Vogue delve into the dynamics of intimacy. Vogue humorously shares that her husband prefers her masturbating him over having sex, lamenting, "It's out there girls and our lives are lived one wank to the next." (19:03)

They discuss the challenges of maintaining a fulfilling intimate relationship, especially when preferences diverge. Joanne jokes about unconventional solutions, like a "wank sleeve," highlighting the candid and humorous approach the hosts take towards personal and often taboo topics.

9. Listener Emails and Humorous Exchanges

Timestamp: [09:56 - 20:32]

Throughout the episode, the hosts engage in playful banter, often veering into humorous territory. They joke about listener emails, with Vogue mentioning, "Yoval don't even speak to me." (20:18) and Joanne quipping, "Come on, that's something one of your gay meer female friends suggest a threesome." (19:49)

Their light-hearted exchanges provide comic relief amidst the heavier discussions, showcasing their chemistry and ability to blend serious topics with laughter.

10. Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Timestamp: [21:01 - End]

As the episode wraps up, the hosts reiterate their support for listeners facing similar relationship issues. They encourage reaching out via email for more discussions and promise to continue providing honest and unfiltered advice. The episode concludes on a hopeful note, emphasizing resilience and self-care in the face of emotional challenges.

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Notable Quotes:

• Vogue Williams: "I just can't believe." (01:32)
• Joanne McNally: "It's like listening to a USB bark at you. It's just awful." (04:45)
• Vogue Williams: "I haven't slept since, and it's killing me. What do you do?" (11:00)
• Joanne McNally: "A break is just... he's trying to maintain some level of control over her." (17:26)
• Vogue Williams: "It's out there girls and our lives are lived one wank to the next." (19:03)

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Conclusion:

In this engaging and heartfelt episode of My Therapist Ghosted Me, Joanne McNally and Vogue Williams navigate through a blend of personal anecdotes, relationship struggles, and societal observations with their characteristic honesty and humor. From dealing with delivery issues to contemplating the impacts of AI, and offering support to those in rocky relationships, the hosts provide a multifaceted discussion that resonates with listeners seeking both laughter and solace. Their candid approach and relatable experiences make this episode a valuable listen for anyone grappling with similar life challenges.

Transcript

[Joanne McNally]

This is a Global Player original podcast. Hiya. Welcome to the bonus episode of My Therapist Ghosted Me. It is myself, Joanne McNally zooming in from Amsterdam and Vogue Williams zooming in from London.

[Vogue Williams]

Hello everybody. It's recording. Well, I don't know how it's recording, but it is. And Joe's not here. So let's, let's start by bitching about Joe.

[Joanne McNally]

Look at you there now, little tech wizards.

[Vogue Williams]

I am a technical. Exactly. A technical wizard. I have just nearly bawled my eyes out about something I ordered. Stuff, home stuff, homeware that I paid for. And I ordered it about four weeks ago and they came to deliver it and then they wouldn't deliver it because I wasn't in the apartment, even though other people were in the apartment and Nigel had let them in and I was like, why aren't you delivering it? Like I've paid. Anyway, they come back two weeks later. I was really excited about this delivery and two weeks later they come back and they're like, oh, this is actually a three man job. And I'm like, could, could you not have told that like the last time you were here? So then they came back, they rang me today when they mentioned, they said, oh, you didn't update the other. I'm like, I did update the order for three men. And so now they're not here today. And I actually just nearly burst into tears. I was like, I just can't believe.

[Joanne McNally]

Because it will have well expired by this point. What is it?

[Vogue Williams]

I don't want to say because then people will know who has the ter. But I actually mailed the company, I bought it off and I said, you need to change delivery. I was like, this is really bad. Yeah, cuz I know somebody in the company. I was like, it's really, really bad. Imagine like I don't know, somebody could throw an opposite. What now? I did get my delivery refunded, which.

[Joanne McNally]

Is something I suppose I know I'm doing this interiors episode, so I'm kind of trying to finish my bits and bobs in the apartment and get it ready for public consumption. So I bought. I have. I've been mean to get a coffee table for nearly two years. Eventually bought a lovely Italian vintage coffee table. It's stunning. It's pistachio, whatever that is. And it's glass. All the top is all glass. And the amount of snowflakes I've been sent suggesting that I'm going to do nothing but do class A drugs off that table.

[Vogue Williams]

Tony Montana table. It's a Tony Montana Table.

[Joanne McNally]

Hollywood cocaine party table. It's for sure. I can't deny it, but it's got.

[Vogue Williams]

Metal straws discarded all over.

[Joanne McNally]

Later inside, just in case you get carried away.

[Vogue Williams]

It's.

[Joanne McNally]

It's very. It does look very good, fellas. But. But anyway, the two lads delivered us. And I live up the top of a flight of stairs, couple of stairs. The lift is very tiny. To say I couldn't stop apologizing. These men, they. I mean, they looked fish, like they're in their prime, but they really struggled with this thing. It weighs a ton and they're sweating. And I was like, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. But I guess, I don't know, like, it is their job, but I don't know. I don't know how anyone's gonna get it out of there. I can tell you. I think it's gonna be left behind unless Kevin from Caroline starts squatting. Now he's gonna get it out.

[Vogue Williams]

I was only ont Kevin yesterday. Poor Kevin. I'm like, can you take that trampoline apart? Can I? We saw this poor.

[Joanne McNally]

So much stuff stored in this man's warehouse. He messaged me the other day. He's like, do you mind? Can I use your Prosecco bottles? I'm having a party. I was like, my what? I totally forgot that I missed it.

[Vogue Williams]

You left the. Did you know you have the big ghosted ghost there as well? Well, if you were planning on storing anything with Kevin from Caroline, don't bother, because Joanne and I are using his 80,000 square feet storage unit for ourselves.

[Joanne McNally]

Little does he know he's also taking the reading chair into storage. I haven't told him. Sorry about that. I obviously apologies to our listeners. The sound is a bit strange there because Joe dropped out and I didn't realize my mic wasn't attached.

[Vogue Williams]

And I thought I was a tech wizard. And I said, let's go, it's recording. And I can tell you right now that this is usable.

[Joe]

Just made that cool. Did you?

[Vogue Williams]

I did you? Well, at some point, I'm planning on icing you from the pod and you're not even going to be here at all. I'm just going to be here doing it.

[Joe]

AI.

[Vogue Williams]

No. I don't even talk about AI. I hate it.

[Joanne McNally]

One more thing about AI.

[Vogue Williams]

Okay, one more. That's it.

[Joanne McNally]

One more thing. There's a lot of voiceover artists are going to be out of a serious amount of money and jobs now. So a lot of the. So sometimes newspaper articles. Some of the. Some of Them, they will turn into like audible pieces so you can listen to them rather than read them. And I always quite enjoy listening to a newspaper piece. But they've started using AI now and I honest to God it's in comparison, it's just, it's like listening to a USB bark at you. It's just awful. No charm, no charisma.

[Vogue Williams]

Exactly. I couldn't have said it better myself. And I think, remember when they brought in those self, self checkout tills? Everyone, he thought everyone would be at them. I will queue and I will wait for a real person. Cuz there's nothing like a real person.

[Joanne McNally]

You're dead right, folk. I love a bit of skin on skin human interaction.

[Vogue Williams]

But I, I've realized like I'm fascinated that you like listening to a book so much. But I know why I can't do it. Drop out. I can't, I physically cannot force myself to concentrate. I had a girl actually mail me about my book the other day and she was like, I have read the first three pages four times because I got absolutely deranged and I decided to pick up your book and start reading it.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, you do take the information in better when you read it. That's like basic science. There's a book I have at the moment, Hags by Victoria Smith. It's about the demonization of middle aged women. Now that's a book that I will, I will read with my eyes rather than my ears. That's gonna be, that's gonna be like, you know, it's gonna be a lot of under lining and highlighting. Rah.

[Vogue Williams]

I was actually about to order my first feminist book the other day and I thought of you. What was it called again? I'll have to find it. But I was about to order it and I thought, you want to be proud if I read that now. I actually have a little book recommendation too. It's called the Go Between. And I got the recommendation off John Boyne, who is a brilliant author, one of my favorite authors. And it's such a, it's like an olden day book. And you'd think that you'd like. I just thought I'd never get into it, but I can't stop reading it. It's actually really, really good. The writing's quite small, so if you've bad eyesight, I'd maybe, I don't know, get it on your Kindle and make it bigger.

[Joanne McNally]

When you say olden day book, what do you mean?

[Vogue Williams]

Like it's probably based in like the 40s.

[Joanne McNally]

Oh, okay.

[Joe]

That's olden days.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, yeah. Like they're in a horse and carriage. I don't think they have cars yet.

[Joanne McNally]

You kind of made it sound like you were reading contrary tales there. Like it kind of feels like that medieval Europe.

[Vogue Williams]

Not medieval. It's not medieval, but it's olden days that, like, they have like one summer outfit and they wear the big frocks and corsets kind of vibe.

[Joe]

Pre 1950. That's olden times, isn't it?

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah. When were cars invented, though? Because that's pre car.

[Joe]

Well, yeah, there's. There's cars, but not as you'd recognize them, just. All right.

[Joanne McNally]

I would have thought there's cars in the 1920s. It's cars in the 1900s.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah. Not the good, like. Yeah, the kind of. Yeah, the bangers. But like, people are getting around. Do you know where I'm going after the show tonight? I'm still in Amsterdam.

[Vogue Williams]

Where?

[Joanne McNally]

Museum of Prostitution.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, that'll be interesting.

[Joanne McNally]

Dragon, go out along with me. Off the red light district. Can't bloody wait. I'll have stories to tell. What time in the world?

[Vogue Williams]

Joe, what time is the show?

[Joanne McNally]

At eight.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, lovely.

[Joanne McNally]

No interval. They don't do intervals on the continent, so it's for road 15. Me straight on, hour and 10. Bang. Off to the Museum of Prostitution.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, that's like the perfect times for a show.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah. A couple of edibles. A couple of edibles, a couple of selfies.

[Vogue Williams]

I just. I just don't know about. You might just fall asleep if you hadn't have an edible. But you're not. Just stick to the booze. I suppose you have to in Amsterdam, really, don't you?

[Joanne McNally]

You have to in Amsterdam.

[Vogue Williams]

You have to. You have to.

[Joanne McNally]

It's like going to Paris and not chain smoking. You just have to get involved.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah. Do you know they're thinking of banning smoking loads of places in France, like outdoor areas.

[Joanne McNally]

Oh, they'll kick off. They won't be happy.

[Vogue Williams]

The French won't be happy about that.

[Joanne McNally]

I was smoked. There was. I had a little pre show fag, which I sometimes have before show. I'm not a regular, but I sometimes have a pre show fag. Well, I suppose I was a little stressed when I realized I'd forgotten to plug the second show. Anyway, I'm sure. Didn't they let me have it indoors? Old school. That's olden days. Now. That's. That's proper olden days.

[Vogue Williams]

Did you feel like you're breaking the law? That'd be so Weird, because they're like.

[Joanne McNally]

If you can smoke, we could smoke. And I was like, all right, Grant.

[Vogue Williams]

They're all there poking away and they just blame you. And you know what else?

[Joanne McNally]

Stage managers go on.

[Vogue Williams]

They've banned. Vapes are gone. No more Blue Razzles in the uk. They're gone. They actually got rid of them.

[Joanne McNally]

Is it not just the. Is it not just the disposable ones?

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, but everybody smokes them. No more Pride Marys. I know somebody. I went into a vape shop with somebody and I swear to God it wasn't me because I have given up the vapes. She went in and she bought 30 vapes. Yeah, it was Amber. She's like. Because they were on sale. I was like, amber. She's like, they're gonna ban them soon. And she was right. She was right.

[Joanne McNally]

Did you see your man in China in the factory who's testing them all and he's basically sucking on like 20 exhaust pipes all day. He'll be dead in a week. Awful.

[Vogue Williams]

Would anyone like to do a listener email? Sure. And thank you for sending your listener emails. We're very happy with them, as always. And if you want to send them in, you can send them to [e-mail].

[Joe]

Well, there you are.

[Vogue Williams]

Well done, lads.

[Joanne McNally]

A mere four years.

[Vogue Williams]

Okay, two emails, friends has a lot to answer for or only wanks.

[Joanne McNally]

Can I guess what only wanks is?

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joanne McNally]

Is someone's boyfriend hooked on Onlyfans and he's like, it's only a wank. There's nothing to it now.

[Vogue Williams]

No.

[Joe]

Good try though.

[Vogue Williams]

It's like, oh, thank us. Like, it wouldn't be for us now.

[Joe]

Joanne, we'll get there. We'll get there.

[Vogue Williams]

I had a conversation with my boyfriend recently. I would have said I was in a stable, long term, committed relationship. I feel stupid to admit that I honestly thought he'd be proposing in the next couple of years. We've been together for nearly five years and there's never been the tiniest hint that things aren't great. I don't think that that's stupid to think that he's going to propose after five years.

[Joanne McNally]

No, not at all.

[Vogue Williams]

For me, like three or four days, probably. I think I'd be expecting it until now. Five years in, he sat me down and said he wants to have a break. A break. We all know what Ross did when him and Rachel were on a break. So for me it's shorthand for I'm going to have sex with someone else. See if that Works out. And if it doesn't, I'll be back.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, I mean, I don't. I don't think she's. Don't think she's far off there.

[Vogue Williams]

I've got to be honest. I have to agree with Joanne McNally. I do.

[Joanne McNally]

Is there more to it?

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah. I thought a break happened in the early days. To pump the brakes and take it slowly. I don't understand. He says he's still totally committed to me, but wants to take a moment. I asked if he's planning on seeing people during this break and the answer was a resounding not straight away. Ouch. I told him. He's just trying to do the slow goodbye. And he actually promised, fully promised me, that we will still be together this time next year, presumably once he's had some time away from me, to find himself and whoever else he's looking for. I haven't slept since, and it's killing me. What do you do?

[Joanne McNally]

Oh, that's horrible.

[Vogue Williams]

God.

[Joanne McNally]

Oh, I'm sorry. That's.

[Vogue Williams]

I actually read a Marion Keys book on something like that that happened. I forget what it's called, but it's about this man and he's married to his wife and they kids and he goes on a break.

[Joanne McNally]

It's called a break.

[Vogue Williams]

Okay. The break. There you go. That would make sense.

[Joanne McNally]

Very good.

[Vogue Williams]

It is. It's a very good book. I won't tell anyone what the spoiler is, but I just think. I just think that's somebody thinking that the grass is going to be greener. And I think that you have to say to yourself, like, I actually. I love myself more than that. I would. I would say I actually like myself more than what you're willing to give me. And I'm not going to let you feel bad about myself and let me sit there wondering if you're going off sleeping with other people.

[Joanne McNally]

You're like, I am enough. I am grassy and greeny enough. Yeah, he's. He's. Yeah, he's doing that thing where he's like, oh, is there something else out there? You know, he is like. He's admitted, basically. Yeah. So it's whether you're gonna let him do that or not, like some people do, and they come back and it works out perfectly fine. And I also think when couples get together when they're quite young, you know, sometimes a break isn't a bad thing, but it's whether you're gonna sit there sick to your stomach, wondering what he's up to. That's the part about It.

[Vogue Williams]

I. I personally, I wouldn't be able to do that. I would prefer to actually just break up and be done with it, because the. The having to sit there and think about it and wonder what they're doing and just feel so awful about yourself. Like, I'd hate that. That would be. It would batter my confidence. And he's.

[Joanne McNally]

He's doing that thing. I've had it done to me as well, where they're. Where. Where they. And it's three months I went out with this guy and he. He kind of kept doing this to me. And three months on the button, he'd come back. Now, I don't know what that meant. I guess it was enough time to get me out of his system and then kind of miss me and get a couple of rides in and whatever, get his STIs treated, whatever he was up to. I don't know. But. But I remember being. Then at one stage being like, oh, well, I know he did it again. I was like, he'll be back. He'll be back. And I was like, what a terror. And then one time he didn't come back. Yeah. And I sat there like a fool. Three months came and went. And then, of course, I had a nervous breakdown. So the point is, he's testing the waters for sure. It's whether you're gonna let him do it or not. And I don't. If she wants to let him do it, let him do it.

[Vogue Williams]

I don't. I think by the sounds of it, you were pretty sure on what you wanted to do and how you wanted your relationship to go. And this, to me would be like, this is worse than being dumped. I think this is like being strung along. I just. As hard as it is, if this is not what you want and you don't want to go out and explore your break as well, I think you just have to break away and tell them that you're going to do that.

[Joanne McNally]

Very easier said than done. Oh, you're mad about someone. When you're mad about them, you just. You turn mad. When you're mad about someone, you go mad.

[Vogue Williams]

That's it. I'd be outside the back door. Don't get me wrong.

[Joanne McNally]

Exactly. I'd be in the cat flap ration and reason out the window. And you in the window.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, God, I feel sorry for you. That's terrible now.

[Joanne McNally]

But he is like, I don't. I hope I'm not being too harsh, but I like saying we're going on a break. It also limits her and what she can do. I think that's why they do it, because she's kind of half handcuffed to him. Still will. But yet it sounds like he's admitted that he is going to start seeing other people. Are trying to see other people. Yeah, he's testing the water.

[Vogue Williams]

He wants to have his cake and eat it.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah. And he's probably is thinking that they will get married at some point. So he's, you know, he's like, this is my last chance to kind of dip my wake elsewhere.

[Vogue Williams]

I think. Oh, sorry. I think if you want to. I think if you were thinking that it's possible that I want to marry this person, but I want to test the waters first, then you probably don't want to marry that person. If you wanted to marry somebody and spend the rest of your life with them, you. You want to do it. You don't need to choose. Like, you've been together five years. You don't need any additional time to figure that out.

[Joanne McNally]

Very frustrating when you're totally sure and they're wanting to go on a break to ride the woman from the copy place. Isn't that what Ross did?

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah. Yeah, it was. Of God. And then Ross regretted it. They always regret it. He will regret it. But you shouldn't hang your hat on that. I think that you should try and look after yourself. And I know it is, as you said, it's easier said than done and it would be very difficult, but just try and remember to look after yourself before him.

[Joanne McNally]

Dig deep. And if you can. If you can bring yourself to do it. Sack him off if you can. Bring yourself. And you don't even. You don't even need to mean it at the moment. Lie to yourself.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, that's true.

[Joanne McNally]

Dress for the job you want, not the job you have. And what I mean by that is fake it till you make it. And what I mean by that is don't let him know that you were kind of. There's a party with love to him to go on a break and come back.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah.

[Joanne McNally]

Put the shits up and tell them. Oh, well, Grant, I'm actually. I'd rather just call it now for a while and just leave it and I'll go and do what I want as well. Smoke them out.

[Vogue Williams]

But just like, if I was you, I would call it. Call it.

[Joanne McNally]

Oh, yeah. There's no such thing. Like, a break is literally mental turmoil for the person who's been breaked. Do you know what I mean? He's benched you. Are you going to be Benched.

[Vogue Williams]

Do you know what I would have said? Like what is that idiot. Why didn't he just break up with you and then come crawling back? So that would be. I think that would be not as bad.

[Joanne McNally]

Cuz he's trying to maintain some level of control over her. He's not going to set her free.

[Joe]

And he doesn't want you to see anyone else.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah. He doesn't want you to see anyone else. And he wants to be able to. He wants to walk back in whenever it suits them.

[Joe]

Which means.

[Joanne McNally]

So a break is just.

[Joe]

Feels like he. He would be very hurt if you saw someone else.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah.

[Joe]

So why can't he understand how you.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, he's two weeks away from bringing up his mental health. From what I. Like, I've heard all this shit before. Yeah.

[Vogue Williams]

Okay. I hope that you're able to deal with that. I know it's just let us know. Yeah, do let us know.

[Joanne McNally]

Ride as friends. Sorry?

[Vogue Williams]

Ride his friends.

[Joanne McNally]

Go dark.

[Vogue Williams]

I don't know if you'll find a friend to ride. It's the only thing.

[Joanne McNally]

It's lads. They don't care. They'd ride all their lads. Lots of that loyalty, Joe. Do they? You'd write all your friends, wives, wouldn't you?

[Joe]

No. Absolutely not.

[Joanne McNally]

John. Well, okay. That's cuz you're on mic. I see you winking there at me.

[Vogue Williams]

God no. You just like you would. Okay. I can't believe I'm writing this in but knew it was my turn. When he talked about not being arsed to wank your partner off. We really. We really touch all the topics on this pod. No details because I cannot be identified. But my.

[Joanne McNally]

I mean, how much detail? Like you don't. You don't. Who doesn't? Who isn't lazy about wanking off their partner? Like you literally have to give us your blood type and your eye on for us to know who you are. Same story for everyone.

[Vogue Williams]

You have to wait. But my husband prefers me wanking him off to sex.

[Joanne McNally]

Jesus Christ.

[Vogue Williams]

Poor thing.

[Joanne McNally]

That's a real pain in the ass. Aren't you?

[Vogue Williams]

I'd say 80% of our sexual intimacy.

[Joanne McNally]

Intimacy? Really?

[Vogue Williams]

Wanking off your poor wrists. Jesus. You'll have tennis elbow. I'm 42.

[Joanne McNally]

Interesting. Yeah.

[Vogue Williams]

And I have the same sex life I had when I was 15. We're out there girls and our lives are lived one wank to the next. I honestly. Honestly. No.

[Joanne McNally]

God love her.

[Vogue Williams]

I feel. I honestly feel for you.

[Joanne McNally]

That is something you should be able to outsource. Come on now.

[Vogue Williams]

I couldn't have.

[Joanne McNally]

Come on, that's something one of your gay meer female friends suggest a threesome. And then when she arrives, lock the door. He's like, it's just wanking.

[Vogue Williams]

That's it. Get him a wank sleeve. Remember the wank sleeve?

[Joanne McNally]

Exactly that, Joe. Yeah. This is where AI does come in handy, surely. Just buy a cyborg to keep in the house. Like, he's basically just using you as a.

[Vogue Williams]

A wank.

[Joanne McNally]

A wan sleeve.

[Vogue Williams]

A wine sleeve.

[Joanne McNally]

Is that okay, Joe?

[Joe]

Morally? Look, I guess as long as he's giving back in some way, there's got.

[Vogue Williams]

To be an even playing field.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, I guess it just means she can never ring it in. That's. I mean, but you could still ring in a wank.

[Vogue Williams]

Really?

[Joanne McNally]

Like I've rang wanks in. You can't just. There's no. At no point. Can you just take a load off? Do you know what I mean? Because you're busy. You'd actually take a load out of them. Sorry, it was gross. Yoval don't even speak to me. Oh yeah, that's one shit plug at the end. Yovo, don't. Don't even. Don't even bother your whole coming.

[Vogue Williams]

At this point.

[Joanne McNally]

You're not invited.

[Vogue Williams]

Yoval, show her. Show her that evil Sam.