MTGM EXTRA! "He's been reading my journals."

Summary

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Podcast Summary: MTGM EXTRA! "He's been reading my journals."

Podcast: My Therapist Ghosted Me
Hosts: Vogue Williams & Joanne McNally
Date: March 18, 2026
Network: Global

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Episode Overview

This episode of "My Therapist Ghosted Me" features hosts Vogue Williams and Joanne McNally, joined by their producer Joe. The trio dive into classic banter, update each other on their work and lives, and respond to a listener's dilemma about journal privacy in a relationship. The discussion ranges from comedic industry musings to serious takes on personal boundaries, always underpinned by their trademark wit and honesty.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Touring, Comedy Circuits & Performing (00:26–04:10)

• Joanne and Vogue riff about upcoming gigs, with Joanne excitedly noting, “I put on a 3 arena myself, would you?... I’ve pushed Live at the Apollo, I’m not actually doing it for a while because I’m doing Taskmaster first.” (01:06)
• Talk about the behind-the-scenes life of comedians, with an emphasis on club spots, show “silhouettes” at Top Secret Comedy Club, and the unique camaraderie of joint tours.
• Notable Quote:

  “You trust me and I trust you, and that’s very important on the stage.” – Joanne (02:54)

• They joke about the highs and lows of performing—Vogue reminisces about being “background noise” to another performer and Joanne quips about performers getting caught up “in the moment.” (03:10)

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2. Drag Names by ChatGPT, Fashion, and Pop Culture Nod (04:36–06:20)

• Joanne admits to using ChatGPT to generate drag names for herself and Vogue.

  “Vogue Villains. I think I could be sexier. I’m sorry if that’s what you think of me.” – Vogue, rejecting her AI-made drag persona. (04:59)

• The duo joke about outdated fashion choices and pop culture faux pas (e.g., references to P Diddy’s Sean John label, Gary Glitter, and Jimmy Savile's notorious style). (06:01)

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3. Louis Theroux’s “Manosphere” Documentary & Reflections on the Internet (06:32–09:58)

• Vogue recommends Louis Theroux’s new documentary and expresses visceral reactions:

  “I looked at them and I was like, I would be ashamed to be your mother. …I felt sorry for them because I just saw them as so pathetic.” – Vogue (07:08)

• Joanne adds sociological context, connecting the rise of the "manosphere" to social movements:

  “The manosphere is a direct response to the MeToo movement…this hasn’t come from nowhere.” (07:53)

• Both admit to evolving opinions and self-reflection:

  “I think I become a different person every four days." – Joanne (09:05) “Yeah, that was Joanne from four days ago.” – Vogue (09:53)

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4. Parenting, Gaming Chairs, and Modern Fears (10:08–12:25)

• Vivid anecdote about the perils of gaming—Vogue’s kids beg for chairs and play Roblox, but she’s wary of online grooming.

  “He goes on and onto YouTube and he watches this like 40-year-old man playing Roblox talking about it. …It’s like you’re just sitting watching somebody else do it, and he loves it.” – Vogue (11:08)

• Joanne comments:

  “Oh God. This is giving incel. It’s giving in cell Vogue. I’m concerned. Very concerned.” (11:08)

• Reflections on school days, bad parent-teacher meetings, and generational change.

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5. Touring America; Ticket Woes and Mormons (12:41–14:39)

• Joanne shares her US tour struggles:

  “Nothing will soften your cough than a sales report from America. I can tell you a voice box Left Las Vegas, 0% sold. Salt Lake City, 0% sold.” (13:08)

• Jokes about not being “big with the Mormons” and the Book of Mormon musical are made. (13:37)

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6. Memorable Fan Encounters (14:39–15:56)

• Recollection of a Toronto show where a fan brought her mother’s ashes to the gig, and gifted “enormous bag of weed jellies.”

  “She gave Joanne uppers and me downers. Yeah, we can’t even take them home with us. Terrible waste.” – Vogue (15:30)

• Joanne’s comment about “nature’s pocket” leads to classic double entendre laughter.

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7. Influencer Culture, Taxes, & British Politics (16:15–18:46)

• Discussion about Dubai influencers only saying positive things upon government request:

  “But you have to also remember Dubai is basically like creating these packages for influencers to go out, very appealing packages. …don’t hate the player, hate the game.” – Joanne (17:05)

• Vogue floats “no tax, better healthcare, lower energy costs” as a platform.
• Running joke ensues about attending events at 10 Downing Street (which Joanne keeps miscalling “Darling Street”), Irish celebrity faux pas, and national loyalties.

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Listener Dilemma: "He's been reading my journals." (20:41–27:57)

Situation Recap (20:41–22:31)

• Listener shares a story: dumped a Northside Dublin guy, later found new love, only to discover fiancé has routinely read her journals. She wonders if she should call off the wedding, as she doesn’t want to “let anyone down, least of all my nieces.”

Candid Reactions & Analysis (22:31–27:57)

• Joanne immediately jokes:

  “You can’t let the nieces down. That’s what happened my first marriage. I didn’t want to let the nieces down.” (22:36)

• The women admit they’d struggle not to snoop:

  “If I kept seeing blue razz vapes all over the house, eventually I’d have one…I wouldn’t be able to hold off. …John, you’d read it.” – Vogue (23:09)

• Joanne adds:

  “You value Spencer’s privacy until the privacy is sitting by the bedside table. And then you’ll read the privacy. That’s just ultimately what it is.” (23:31)

• Discussion about the etiquette of analogue versus digital diaries, performative journalling (“everyone’s fab”), and who inherits your secrets after death.
• Surprisingly, Joanne admits:

  “This is a really toxic thing to say, but I’m going to say it…I think I’d be flattered that he cared.” (24:51; 25:09)

• Both agree: the act isn’t ideal, but “not a massive deal breaker” for them personally (26:48–27:15).
• Joanne jokes:

  “There’s an argument if you’re going to be a big diary writer, there is an argument for marrying someone with literacy issues.” (27:02)

• Critical take on privacy vs. human nosiness; recognize emotional journaling is rarely balanced or representative.

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Final Quotes & Closing Banter (27:23–28:55)

• Joanne wonders aloud:

  “Am I victim blaming? Joe, you’re looking at me.” (27:58) “I think you probably felt just short of victim blaming there.” – Joe (28:00)

• As the session ends, everyone jokes about leaving their “intrusive, open, vulnerable thoughts by the side of my bed and let strangers see that.” (28:23)

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Notable Quotes

• “I put on a 3 arena myself, would you?...” – Vogue (01:06)
• “The manosphere is a direct response to the MeToo movement…” – Joanne (07:53)
• “I think I become a different person every four days.” – Joanne (09:05)
• “You value Spencer’s privacy until the privacy is sitting at the bedside table. And then you’ll read the privacy.” – Joanne (23:31)
• “I think I’d be flattered that he cared.” – Joanne (25:09)
• “There’s an argument if you’re going to be a big diary writer, there is an argument for marrying someone with literacy issues.” – Joanne (27:02)
• “I have a diary entry to put in. Just going to leave my intrusive, open, vulnerable thoughts by the side of my bed and let strangers see that.” – Joanne (28:23)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:26–04:10: Showbiz banter & comedy clubs
• 04:36–06:20: Drag names, ChatGPT, fashion jokes
• 06:32–09:58: Louis Theroux’s "Manosphere" documentary discussion
• 10:08–12:25: Parenting, gaming chairs, and YouTube
• 13:08–14:39: Touring America, Ticket sales woes
• 14:39–15:56: Fan with mother’s ashes and edibles
• 16:15–18:46: Influencer rumors, taxes, and political invites
• 20:41–27:57: Listener dilemma on journal snooping and marriage

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Summary

This bonus episode is a quintessential slice of "My Therapist Ghosted Me": a rapid-fire mixture of personal anecdotes, comedic takes on life and career, and candid, often irreverent, advice. In tackling a listener's real concern about journal privacy and wedding cold feet, Joanne and Vogue are honest about their own nosy impulses, offer practical but empathetic perspective, and underscore the complexity of coupledom—in a way only two unfiltered friends can.

Transcript

[Joanne]

This is a Global Player original podcast.

[Vogue]

Hello and welcome to the longest bonus we've ever recorded. I hope you enjoy it. This is Joanne, this is Joe and Vogue. We are. My therapist ghosted me.

[Joanne]

I did Claire Burn live the other day and she was saying that you were coming in to talk to her. Oh, you look. You don't look like you don't know you're talking to Claire Burn.

[Vogue]

I do, I. I do, yeah.

[Joanne]

Is this about the Paddy's Day thing?

[Vogue]

Yeah, hang on a sec. I don't know.

[Joanne]

She had no clue.

[Vogue]

No, I did. I've got a few things on. I've got a few bits and bobs. Yeah, it will be. I love Claire Burn life.

[Joanne]

But I was like, Vogue is so gas. I. I suppose we're both like booked and busy and working and whatever. But like I said, I do not know. I was like, why is she coming in? She goes, I' actually, I think I. She could literally be announcing a Netflix. Like you just wouldn't know about what. What she's up to.

[Vogue]

I put on a 3 arena myself, would you? Anyway, I'm not doing now I've pushed Live at the Apollo. I'm not actually doing it for a while because I'm doing taskmaster first. So I want to just get the taskmaster filming.

[Joe]

That's only way.

[Joanne]

Anyway. No, you're dead right. And you need the Christmas market.

[Vogue]

I'll be in the comedy clubs this weekend though. What's that one that you go to?

[Joanne]

Top Secret.

[Vogue]

I'll be a Top Secret on Friday.

[Joanne]

You'll be 20 minute sets, you'll be like me.

[Vogue]

So the other one that you go

[Joanne]

to, always be in Cannington.

[Vogue]

Oh, yeah, that's what I meant. I already knew that. Because I'm gonna.

[Joanne]

Your love always be in Top Secret so. Because I don't get listed in Top Secret anymore because obviously I'm trying to sell a tour. So you're like, you know, you don't list yourself in the clubs, but they do a silhouette of you and they make it very clear that it's you. They're like as seen on Taskmaster from Dublin. Host of my. The like Mark makes it like clear. But I was like, I cannot wait to see your silhouette. And top secret, I'll be like, wow. Off she goes.

[Vogue]

She.

[Joanne]

There she is.

[Vogue]

Stepping on more toes.

[Joanne]

A tight 25. A tight 25. 10 top secret ops.

[Vogue]

That's all I have for you right now. Currently just working up the old tour.

[Joanne]

Yeah, you're working on the tour. You're doing a Whip, you're doing a work in progress. I can't wait to see.

[Vogue]

I'd rather take to the grave than take to the stage.

[Joanne]

Well, I don't know why. Oh, yes, that. Top secret, I say. I don't know why you're saying that, because we're chatting about doing another tour, so. I mean, you.

[Vogue]

I do another tour with you because, as I've said before, I could die in my hole and it wouldn't matter. I could just walk off and just leave you to it.

[Joanne]

You trust me and I trust you, and that's very important on the stage. You have to trust you're on stage with.

[Vogue]

Not in front of me. Remember? It was so bad. So any. Literally just basically, I was just background noise to him. Yeah.

[Joanne]

He was like. In the words of our great philosopher Martin McCutchen, he's like, this is my moment. Perfect moment with you. And I was like, where's Vogue? I haven't seen her in ages.

[Vogue]

And anytime I did try and peer out, he just moved. It was like, yeah, I was trying to come. Yeah.

[Joanne]

I was like, there's an Afghan hound trying to creep out the back there. And he's not letting it happen. It's not letting it happen.

[Vogue]

Oh, the poor little shite. And he came off stage and he's like, that was brilliant. And I was like, you're dead.

[Joanne]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. Yeah. He got caught up in the moment. Happens to the Bastos.

[Vogue]

Hang on, Sorry, one second. Bagel is at door.

[Joanne]

Bagel is at door. It's a fun stripper's name.

[Vogue]

Is it Bagel?

[Joanne]

Oh, it's a bagel.

[Vogue]

It's. It's called Be Bagel, actually. And I'm have to get myself the coronation chicken.

[Joanne]

Folk. Okay, thank you. Thank you for the information.

[Vogue]

I have to tell my driver in case he leaves. Hi, just coming now. Two sex.

[Joe]

20 minutes or so, then I'll be.

[Vogue]

Yeah, okay, sorry.

[Joanne]

I'm glad you're not in Patreon. Imagine charging people for this. Absolute horeshit. Let's just talk about a loan. Short is.

[Vogue]

I. I What? My ears perk up when you're filming something and I hear what someone's had for breakfast. I'm like, great, I love doing that.

[Joanne]

Folk, folk, folk. Focus, focus.

[Vogue]

Yeah.

[Joanne]

I don't want you to ask me how I got to this point, but I was chatting to my chatgpt the other night and I put in. I was, look, I have a lot of time on my own. Drag names for me. And I. And then I asked it for drag names for you.

[Vogue]

Oh, fantastic. This is great use of time.

[Joanne]

I've got a great one for you.

[Vogue]

Okay.

[Joanne]

Vogue Villains.

[Vogue]

Vogue Villains. I think I could be sexier. I'm sorry if that's what you think of me.

[Joanne]

Oh, well, that's a chatgpt.

[Vogue]

This is what I mean about Chachi bt. It's like when people.

[Joanne]

It doesn't like you. I can tell you it was very mean about you.

[Vogue]

Did you chat gbt me and ask about me?

[Joanne]

Yeah, I said drag names for me and. No, my. My drag names for me was do you want to ride? Or something? And then.

[Vogue]

Oh, that's a good one. See?

[Joanne]

Yes, well, I came up with one myself, which was you want to restraining order. Yeah, but I had Vogue Villains for you. I thought it was kind of sexy.

[Vogue]

No, that's it. Vogue Villains.

[Joanne]

There was other ones, but that was the one that stuck out to me. No, you're not. You're not thrilled.

[Vogue]

I'll. I'll. I think I'll make it my own one. I'll come back. I'll come back on the mail.

[Joanne]

Fine, fine, fine.

[Vogue]

Give me a moment.

[Joanne]

I'll tell chpt you you've refused the offer. Joe, I'll try you next. I'll try you for next.

[Vogue]

Tell chat it's doing a bad job. I wear Sha Jn. You know you're not allowed wear that anymore.

[Joanne]

Sorry.

[Vogue]

Don't say Sha Shn.

[Joanne]

No, it's House of Sunny.

[Vogue]

Oh, thank God. Okay, good.

[Joanne]

Who's Sean?

[Vogue]

Sean John's just in the hotel room playing Gary Glitter on the piano wearing Sha John head to toe.

[Joanne]

And P Didy. What?

[Vogue]

Yes, P Diddy's brand. He's a. Out. Out.

[Joanne]

I bought this jacket off my uncle Jimmy Savile. I don't know. He's passed on it.

[Vogue]

It was.

[Joanne]

It was a probate sale.

[Vogue]

We know you. You just took a box of his stuff. You're like, I'll give you 200 quid. That's where all the shades are coming from again.

[Joanne]

Say what you want about Jimmy Great style.

[Vogue]

Did anybody speak in a Jimmy Savile? Did anyone do their homework and watch Manosphere? Louis Theroux?

[Joanne]

No, but you did say it was for the main, not the bonus. So I haven't watched it yet, but I'm very intrigued by the size of the man's arm in the promo shot. I'm. I'm. I'm expecting hot, sexy scenes. Louis kind of trapped his head.

[Vogue]

I love him.

[Joanne]

I love. Yeah, I like. I like Louis.

[Vogue]

I like him a Lot. I just think he's so. He just. He riles them up, but not even meaning to, because they are just like. I'm just gonna say one thing about it. We'll talk about it properly in the main, because.

[Joanne]

You will? Yeah, yeah, I will. I will. Of course.

[Vogue]

I just felt like such of. I looked at them and I was like, I would be ashamed to be your mother. And I don't think that very often about people. And it is just like, I would feel like, what the have I done? Where, like. Sorry, I shouldn't say I would be ashamed to be their mother, because their mother. It's their mother's fault that they have turned out the way they have. I actually felt sorry for them because I just saw them as so pathetic.

[Joe]

Well, no, it's not Friday.

[Joanne]

More on Friday now. I. Look, I'm. I'm. You know, I had to play devil's

[Vogue]

advocate, and You're a man in America now. Wait till you see your man in America. Oh, no.

[Joe]

God.

[Joanne]

But I'm saying, having not even watched it, and obviously, as someone with a degree in sociology. Did I mention this?

[Vogue]

No, you've actually never mentioned that. I'm not joking. You said arts,

[Joanne]

Sociology, studies society. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, yeah, yeah. What I'm saying is the manosphere is a direct response to the MeToo movement. And it's like, remember always talking about this pendulum, and it goes really far right, then it goes really far left, and. And it's a response to that. I'm not saying it's right or wrong. I'm saying this hasn't come from nowhere.

[Vogue]

But it's also forward to watching. You should. I think. I think it's also like, Louis looks into all their backgrounds and on how they're brought up and stuff like that. And there's always, like, common denominators between all of them. So you can. It's just. Anyway, let's talk about it.

[Joanne]

On the main, I always think there's. I. When I look at people, I'm like, what brought them to that point? That's what I. That's what I find really interesting. It's not the point I find interesting. It's like, what brought them there? Anyway, look, I'll do my homework. We'll discuss it.

[Vogue]

On the main, when you think about yourself, though, some things that you've done and stuff, it's like, how did I think that was?

[Joanne]

Okay, stop. I know. I. I don't want, like, even. Yeah, I know. I could not agree more. It's wild. I think I become a different person every four days.

[Vogue]

Yeah, me too. I hate when people, when people ask you as well, it's like, so what? Any regrets? And I'm like, there's no point in starting this. No, no, there's quite the list. And I, I just think it's better to say to yourself, you know what, it's fine, you don't need to regret it. Just forget about it.

[Joanne]

I, I am very clear any because especially when you're doing like a significant amount of interviews, you can lose track of what you've said before, what you've said previously. And like I say because I do change my opinion on things quite a lot. I'm quite suggestible and I'll read an article and I'll think that and then I'll read another article and think that and I'm always very honest in interviews. I say look, I'm, I'm probably a raving hypocrite. Like not. Don't hold me to anything.

[Vogue]

Come on.

[Joanne]

Every.

[Vogue]

Everybody says things are yeah but you

[Joanne]

have to flag us because then people are like God on. You said this thing last week, you're like well yeah, I was a different person last week.

[Vogue]

Yeah, that was Joanne from four days ago.

[Joanne]

Exactly.

[Vogue]

What the was she talking about?

[Joanne]

I was an incel then and now I've changed because I got the ride and now I'm very feminist again. Just I would say like look, I'm not going to recommend, I'm not going to tell you how to mother but I would say please don't ever buy Theodore Otto gaming chairs.

[Vogue]

I was in a gaming chair yesterday. I was filming, I was filming a thing and they had three gaming chairs and I'm like these. It wasn't even comfortable. I felt like I was on a. What's it called where they strap you

[Joanne]

on roller coaster Stretcher. Oh, stretcher.

[Vogue]

These aren't even comfortable. They set you back quite a few Bob. No, my kids will never get a gaming chair. T's not. He, he started getting into what's it called? Roblox and then I, everyone was saying that people were grooming kids on it so I stopped him using that. And now what does is which I find even worse. He sits and like if this is if he's really lucky. So like on a Friday night I'll let him watch like half an hour of this. He goes on and onto YouTube and he watches this like 40 year old man playing Roblox talking about it. I'm like, it's like you're just sitting watching Somebody else do it, and he loves it.

[Joanne]

Oh, God. This is giving incel. It's giving in cell Vogue. I'm concerned. Very concerned.

[Vogue]

I had their parent teacher meeting yesterday, and it was top marks. And I skipped in there. Skipped in there because I knew it would be top marks because my mom used to go. And then she came home crying one year, and I knew it hadn't gone well. And she never went back. She said that was. I'm not doing that again. She said I stuck around to every teacher and have them say the most awful things. Yeah, that she came up crying.

[Joanne]

Was this about you or Amber?

[Vogue]

About me. And then, you know, because, you know, you're like. You know they're going, and you're like. But I knew when she was going, I was like, this is gonna be top marks news. This is not good. Like, usually I'd be like, what do they say? And I was like, I remember being upstairs in my room and watching her drive back in the driveway being like, oh, no, it's over for me now.

[Joanne]

Yeah, I love that. Sandra. Instead of Sandra being like, I need to kind of work on Vogue and get her up to a certain. She was like, that, I'm going back. Let her do what she wants. I'm not listening to this again. I'm actually not worried about Theodore Otto at all. If anyone going to get deeply involved in the manosphere, it's going to be Gigi. So that's who I would look out for. That's who I would look out for. Yeah. Incel 101. I can see her puppeteering them all.

[Vogue]

Puppeteering them all. Yeah, she is. She's. She's a popular girl, rg, so, yeah, she could kind of sway anybody.

[Joanne]

My American tour, I mean, it sounds lofty, but, like, I guess that is what it is. Went on sale the day of the sale. They send you through the, like, sales reports at the end of the day.

[Vogue]

Is it Yovli? She overly.

[Joanne]

It makes Yova look like I saw it at Radio City.

[Vogue]

I love that you have this. You can still be humble. She can still have an arena on sale. Two arenas on sale, and she still manages to be.

[Joanne]

Oh, no, nothing. Nothing will soften your cough than a sales report from America. I can tell you a voice box Left Las Vegas, 0% sold. Salt Lake City, 0% south. And of course, I'm there on Tommy. Then Tommy Pucciani, who's my American agent. I'm like, why the am I going

[Vogue]

to Salt Lake City anyway?

[Joanne]

I was like, oh, no, it's Winnipeg all over again, but for two months.

[Joe]

Not big with the Mormons.

[Joanne]

Not big with the Mormons. Did you know that, Joe? Did you know that there were Mormons in Salt Lake City?

[Vogue]

Well, the Mormons of Salt Lake City.

[Joe]

Yeah. Because of the. The musical. Because of Book of Mormon.

[Vogue]

Oh, yeah, well.

[Joanne]

Oh, yes. Well, Tommy was like, joanne, you haven't said it about them. So anyway, real quick, real quick, real quick. You can speed this up, Joe, or you can cut it. Cuz, you know, I don't listen to the podcast cuz I hate my own voice.

[Vogue]

Imagine we just weren't. We just weren't selling her tour. We just kept it out the whole time.

[Joanne]

Imagine I wasn't on the podcast. Imagine it was just you guys.

[Vogue]

Joe, let's edge her out.

[Joanne]

Yeah, quick one, quick one. I'm just gonna fly through these towns and cities and if any of these appeal to you or, you know, anyone near them. Seattle, Portland, San, France. Sacramento, Denver, Salt Lake City. Las Vegas. Las Vegas. Phoenix, Vancouver, Houston, Austin, Austin, Dallas, Chicago, Washington, Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Boston, Toronto.

[Vogue]

That was the worst selling I've ever heard.

[Joanne]

But okay, look, I don't want to monopolize the podcast by saying selling tickets.

[Vogue]

Do you remember the woman who came to our gig? And was it Toronto?

[Joanne]

Well, I. There was more than one woman, thank God. Go on.

[Vogue]

And she brought her mother in the urn.

[Joanne]

Why didn't you lead with the woman who brought her mother in the urn Vogue? Then I would have remembered.

[Vogue]

Well, we didn't. There wasn't that many people. We didn't know that many people who would come backstage. But Joanne would just, like, when we were on tour, would land. Land me with stuff. And then there would be the most fascinating stories and I'd be like, yeah, yeah, they can come back.

[Joanne]

Oh, yeah. I was like, can she?

[Vogue]

I was like, my auntie sister's coming back to mine. And she was like, there's a woman with her mom and her nerves. My auntie sister. That's my other auntie.

[Joanne]

Sorry with the dark situation. She was so nice, wasn't she?

[Vogue]

She was really nice. I know, Funny gifts.

[Joanne]

Yeah, she did. Was it her mother? Did she give us her mother in the end?

[Vogue]

No, she didn't give us the mother. She gave us the most enormous bag of weed jellies I've ever seen in my entire life. She gave Joann uppers and me downers. Yeah, we can't even take them home with us. Terrible waste.

[Joanne]

I did. Stuffed them into my.

[Vogue]

Did you?

[Joanne]

Nature's pocket.

[Vogue]

Did not stuff them in nature's pockets. What does that mean?

[Joanne]

Think about it.

[Vogue]

A foola.

[Joanne]

Yeah, Nature's pocket. You've got a pouch down there.

[Vogue]

I can't. John, don't call it a pouch.

[Joe]

You don't want to be stopped at Customs when you go to the US

[Vogue]

in a. Oh, she's not getting in. She's not getting in.

[Joanne]

What are you on about? I'm getting in. I'm performing for Trump in the White House. Thrills.

[Vogue]

Someone. Someone slagged my. Someone was slagging my mole. Again. How unusual. Like, find a better thing to slag me about. So she was slagging me better. And I. What I like to do is go on to their profile.

[Joanne]

Sorry, slogan. The fact she wasn't mature enough to skip transition here, that's what I'd be focusing on.

[Vogue]

So I went and looked at her profile.

[Joanne]

Say. I love that. I thought about it loud since.

[Vogue]

Yeah. But I went and looked at her profile because usually I'd be like, oh. And then I. I saw she's. She was a Trump supporter and I was about to mention something about that and I said, no, I might go to America soon.

[Joanne]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Less is more there. Less as well.

[Vogue]

Have you seen it about the Dubai influencers were. Supposedly, Dubai are telling the influencers to say only nice things.

[Joanne]

Do you reckon that's true, though?

[Vogue]

I don't.

[Joanne]

Or is that, like. I mean, really, It's a nice bit

[Vogue]

of gossip to hear, all the same.

[Joanne]

Yeah, yeah, I agree, I agree. But you know what's so funny? Like, so are so anti the influencer community in Dubai, but you have to also remember Dubai is basically like creating these packages for influencers to go out, very appealing packages. And they're kind of enticing them out there. No tax. They're offering them, like, good quality jobs, all this. Like you. My point is, don't hate the player, hate the game.

[Vogue]

I really feel like we should look into a no tax situation over here in the uk. I think it would be lovely. I mean, there's no. That's outside the box thinking, you want me to.

[Joanne]

No talks. Hear me out, hear me out.

[Vogue]

No talks, no tax. And hang on, wait for this. Better health care, lower energy costs.

[Joanne]

Off she goes to number 10 Dowling Street.

[Vogue]

Do you know what? I keep getting invited there and I don't know the etiquette around it. I'm like, I don't think I should go.

[Joanne]

I'm sorry.

[Vogue]

Now I've said no. I've said no, like three times. But you know what? If I'm gonna say no, I have to have an invite to. To. To somewhere in Ireland. Like, why am I want to be at the party?

[Joanne]

As one of your closest friends and as someone who is in business with you, I would please ask before you land into 10 Darling street, that you would confer with me.

[Vogue]

Darling. She keeps going. Darling street.

[Joanne]

What's it called?

[Vogue]

Downing.

[Joanne]

Downing. Clowning, tailing, strings, Whatever, whatever, whatever. I'm never going there. Okay, as someone who's in a business with you, can we just remember how much Paul Masco got for saying he preferred London over Dublin? If you want to run this. If you want to run this podcast.

[Vogue]

He didn't say that. He didn't say that.

[Joanne]

In the same Quickfire round that Jesse Buckley said she preferred cats. I'm pretty sure was on the Hammond Oppressor. They said Dubner London. He went, maybe London. And of course, sometimes.

[Vogue]

Sometimes I say I'm going home when I'm flying back to England, but I don't mean it an accident. It's a slip of the tongue. It's flying home to Ireland. Don't worry.

[Joanne]

This is why I have you on Find my Friends. And if I ever find you near 10 Downing Street, I will kick off

[Joe]

because I'm not the sensitivities of this well enough that I received an invitation for the two of you to Downing Street. I turned it down before I even spoke.

[Vogue]

They can't get enough. Well, they tried to swing it with an Irish thing last time. They were doing the St. Patrick's Day thing in 10 Downing street and I

[Joanne]

said, oh, no, no, hold on a second. Hold on a second. Was it free booze and canopies?

[Joe]

Almost certainly.

[Joanne]

Joe, please. I. I should be informed of these invitations, please. Maybe I want to go to 10 Darling street, try my way around.

[Vogue]

Well, you should go. You should get a picture at the front. Get a picture with the cat. They have a cat there?

[Joanne]

No, bring one of Jerry Adams ducks. Do you know the little ducks that Jerry Adams uses?

[Vogue]

What the. I saw Jerry Adams in the press. I'm like, they're still flogging this IRA stuff. Do we not know? Is this not a thing? I'm like, obviously.

[Joanne]

Sorry, sorry, sorry. Did you say they're still flogging this ira?

[Vogue]

So he's still going into. Going into course being like, oh, I wasn't in it. It's like, oh, come on, Jerry.

[Joanne]

Okay, yeah, no, sorry. You mean flogging the fact that he's not in us. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Vogue]

And I'm like, and Then I saw he was in court, like last week. I'm like, sorry, yeah, yeah, yeah, you said that. I think there's a river in Egypt. Jesus Christ. And it is a long river of denial.

[Joanne]

It's a. It's a very clear collab. It's a very clear collab.

[Vogue]

Hi, Joanne Vocan. Joe, please keep me in on. I just felt compelled to weigh in on the old ex boyfriend's writing letters issue.

[Joanne]

I love a call back.

[Vogue]

Bloody honest. I had an experience a couple of years ago where my ex got in touch after we'd broken up. Now, can I say, the last time I'd seen him was at Dunleary Station two weeks after we'd broken up, kissing a girl goodbye. Ow. Fair enough. I was more pissed off that he'd trying to transgress the north south Dublin quarter, him being such a run at that.

[Joanne]

Maybe. Yeah.

[Vogue]

I was more pissed off that he transgressed the north south Dublin border, him being such a staunch Northsider. Yes, I get this email. He talks about the breakup. Etc. Also how crushing it must have been for me to see him with another girl. I broke up with him six months after emotionally detaching. He went on to say he'd never kissed other girls while we were together. I hadn't thought he had before this, but. Well, why would he have mentioned it otherwise?

[Joanne]

Because he's lying.

[Vogue]

Anyway, it's okay. I've moved on to my next emotionally unavailable partner. Things have been going reasonably well. Oh, no. Until I found out he's been reading my journals routinely for the last few months. I'm actually pretty boring, so.

[Joanne]

Oh, yeah, fine.

[Vogue]

Okay, so I don't think he found much, but I've been really angry and sad about the whole thing. That's bizarre.

[Joanne]

Okay, continue.

[Vogue]

The whole thing has given me an ugh. Feeling. The problem is we're due to get married at the end of the year and I've asked my nieces to be flower girls. This whole thing has really given me pause for thought. But obviously I don't want to let anyone down, least of all my nieces. What should I do? I love your opinions. Oh, God. Well.

[Joanne]

Well, you can't let the nieces down. You can't let the nieces down.

[Vogue]

That's what happened my first marriage. I didn't want to let the nieces down.

[Joanne]

They're probably. They're excited. They're probably 10, 11. They're probably on the pen getting ready for their big day. You cannot let them down.

[Vogue]

You bought the dresses. You bought the.

[Joanne]

Yeah, you can't let these children down.

[Vogue]

Now, what I will say. Okay, just be honest. Right. Okay. And I know it's. This is a terrible, terrible thing to say, but like, spending out of diary beside the bed. I just. I'd really struggle not treat it. I have to be honest. Yeah, I. And I. I value his privacy and I respect it, but sure, not that much. Yeah, it would. It would be like a tick. It would be like if I kept seeing blue razz vapes all over the house, I'd have. I'd eventually have to have one. I wouldn't be able to hold off even though I don't V anymore. It'd be like. It'd be like the book over there. I just. John, you'd read it. If you came in and you saw spending. You'd read it like.

[Joanne]

Like, listen, you value Spencer's privacy until the privacy is sitting at the bedside table. And then you'll read the privacy. That's just ultimately what it is.

[Vogue]

I. I like the privacy. If it's locked in his pocket. That's. That's privacy for me.

[Joanne]

I mean, we. I think the lesson here is to move on to a digital diary, I would say, and, like, lock it away. I think most people. But you never got, like, even sometimes. Do you know what? I had the. The maddest thought recently. It's actually not that mad. So I've started journaling, right? And I, you know, journaling my thoughts and ideas and kind of grounded myself a little bit. But then I started thinking, if I got knocked over by a bus tomorrow, like, so say I'm like, giving out about my mom. I don't. Whatever.

[Vogue]

I'd read them.

[Joanne]

Your name has been redacted. Your name has been redacted. Full Epstein files. But I was like, imagine when you die. Like, I think the same about my WhatsApp messages. Or like, when you pass on who gets these things. And then I start writing really performatively, like, everyone's fab. Everyone's fab. Joe looks great at the moment. What a kind man. Because you're like, what if everyone reads this stuff? And I also think it's no one's business, but we're. The human condition is. We are nosy bastards. I also think, and this is a really toxic thing to say, but I'm going to say it. I think, oh, I think I'd be flattered that he cared.

[Vogue]

Between me and you. This is. This is bad news.

[Joanne]

I think I'd be flattered. Like, now I've had a run of Kind of not great relationships of late. But I think I'd be flattered that he cared. I know.

[Vogue]

I just don't.

[Joe]

Different person in Florida.

[Vogue]

That's it.

[Joanne]

Yeah. In four days time I'll speak fluent Mandarin and I'll be like.

[Vogue]

I just. I just think I'd get over it. I would. And I know, I know that it's like an evasion of privacy and it's totally different if spenny red mine. If he caught me reading his. It's different to if he. If I got him. But I do think what the is

[Joanne]

going to be in his diary. Ate a chicken breast around 5k.

[Vogue]

Just all of us, just all of his running times. I remember he took up golf and my mom was like, how did you play today? And he went into detail of 18 holes and my mom was like, Spencer, that's not how it's. You tell me about your best hole. I don't want to know about 18.

[Joanne]

I mean 18, that's labor. That's a laborious story.

[Vogue]

He tells me about his laps, his lapse kilometers. And I'm like, when I think about

[Joanne]

that woman of the diary thing, my brain flicks through all the relationships I've had and each one of them, I would have a different response if they read my diary. Do you know what I mean? Like, so every relationship was so different. Every diary entry at the time of the relationship would have been so different. I've gone out with men who I. I was like, do. Do you even know we're going out? So in that regard I'd be like kind of flattered they read it. I've gone out with other guys where I'm like, I can't breathe in this. I'm gonna. I'm gonna suffocate. And that if they read my diary I would have been like. So it's really hard to tell but like she's marrying him.

[Vogue]

So you can't just not marry him because of that. Well, you can not marry him because that if it's really freaked out. But I think that you just need to have a proper conversation with him. But I'm just saying that wouldn't be a massive deal breaker to me because I. If I am being very honest, I. I wouldn't. I'm terrible person.

[Joanne]

There's an argument if you're going to be a big diary writer, there is an argument for marrying someone with literacy issues. You're gonna have to go lock and key. Like you need to put this, you need to lock this stuff down.

[Vogue]

And for Anyone who would be able to look at that piece of joy and not read it. Well done. I think that you're fantastic.

[Joanne]

Great restraint. And also when you are writing those things, like, I find when I take pen to paper, it's usually when I have something on my mind. I'm kind of stressed. I may be a little overworked or I feel like someone's not being very nice to me or I feel misunderstood. And so it's. I don't. I'm not writing positive stuff necessarily. It's more, you know, your daily struggles and, like, people wrecking your head and stuff. So it can kind of be an unfair representation of how you feel about things. But like, if your diary is just sitting around and you're living with a man who can read, I mean, come on.

[Vogue]

Yeah.

[Joanne]

Am I victim blaming? Joe, you're looking at me.

[Joe]

I think you probably felt just short of victim blaming there.

[Joanne]

Would you read Josie's diary?

[Joe]

I wouldn't and she doesn't.

[Vogue]

Is that gonna say that on the pod? Come on. Oh, no, no, no.

[Joanne]

He's gonna use that. He's gonna. He's gonna say because we work him so hard, that's. He's gonna. Doesn't have the energy to read.

[Vogue]

That's.

[Joanne]

I know. He's going to. He's going to throw it back in her face. It's going to make it our fault.

[Joe]

Just don't have the time.

[Joanne]

Don't have the time. Of course. Don't have the time. Yeah.

[Vogue]

Yeah.

[Joanne]

I knew. I knew that was. I knew that was coming. That's it for this week. I'm. I'm going to have to dash. I've. I have a diary entry to put in. Just going to leave my intrusive open, vulnerable thoughts by the side of my bed and let strangers see that.

[Joe]

Them.

[Vogue]

I look forward to reading them.

[Joanne]

Thank you. Oh, well, then I'm going to edit the whole. I'm going to have to do a serious edit on this.

[Vogue]

Hold on. Not a. Not a.

[Joanne]

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