MTGM EXTRA! "I turned 37 and my libido is through the ROOF."

Summary

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My Therapist Ghosted Me: MTGM EXTRA! "I turned 37 and my libido is through the ROOF."

Hosts: Vogue Williams & Joanne McNally

Date: May 27, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this week’s lively "extra" episode, Vogue and Joanne tackle everything from neighborhood politics and annoying pigeons to the joys (and woes) of pregnancy, age, libido, and changing bodies—with their trademark wit and incisive, no-filter honesty. Sparked by an anonymous email about sexual liberation at 37, the conversation spirals hilariously across generational attitudes, neighborly WhatsApp group drama, body image, and why paperback books matter.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Age, Libido, and Hooking Up in Your 30s

• The highlight of the episode is an email from a listener who, after turning 37, claims her libido is "through the roof" and shares stories of frequent hookups with younger men.

  • “I turned 37 in December, and since then, my libido has been through the roof. I have been constantly hooking up with younger men, one to four a week, and have learned a lot.” (16:45)

• The listener notes how younger men are often respectful, come prepared, and are “into” authentic, natural bodies—contrasting with perceived attitudes from previous generations.

  • “They love a full bush and leg hair… really ripped ones with abs are attracted to my belly and stretch marks.” (17:26)

• Joanne and Vogue reflect on how beauty standards and male preferences have shifted over generations, with an emphasis on greater acceptance and less fixation on "heroin chic" or one-size-fits-all ideals.

  • Joanne: “They are a new generation of man… more progressive, I would say, than our generation of men.” (18:12)
  • Vogue: “I think everyone's into different body types. Like, you don't have to be one body type.” (18:34)

2. Body Image, Pregnancy, and Changing Bodies

• Vogue and Joanne riff candidly about pregnancy body changes. Vogue shares her surprise at growing a new, shapely bum:

  • “I would like to end that with—I forgot to tell you, I have an arse now. My arse has grown, like, it’s like a good arse.” (19:01)
  • Joanne: “Congratulations!” (19:10)
  • Vogue: “I don’t know what I’ll miss more, the boobs or the arse.” (19:16)

• Joanne jokes about Vogue’s pregnancy dragging on and relates to the experience of craving odd smells—specifically, smoke—even as a non-smoker.

  • Vogue: “This baby likes the smell of old dank smoke off people’s clothes.” (13:45)
  • Joanne: “Disgusting.” (13:45)
  • Vogue: “I think my dad is being reincarnated.” (13:48)

3. Neighborhood Life, WhatsApp Drama, and Packages

• The two discuss the toxicity and drama of neighborhood WhatsApp groups, sharing fears about being the gossip or the troublemaker.

  • Joanne: “Those things are Chernobyl-level toxic. I want in.” (06:46)
  • Vogue: “I fear if I joined one of them, I would turn into... I’d be the one everyone’s bitching about. We’ve got to do something about the pigeons.” (09:30)

• Package theft (or "misplacement") becomes a running joke after Vogue describes her groceries repeatedly going missing.

  • Vogue: “Spenny was like, 'Why are you taking in my groceries? You didn’t order groceries. Stop taking my groceries.'” (08:31)
  • Joanne: “It’s theft, really. You’re not minding something—it’s theft.” (08:59)

4. Family Dynamics & Parenting Styles

• Vogue and Joanne discuss the comedic realities of family, including Vogue's mother's sayings and her parents’ routines.

  • "It’s all go on the Western Front, as my mother would say." (10:02)
  • Joanne teases Vogue about her family: “If [your mother] Sandra goes before Neil, I’ll swoop in.” (11:12)

• Vogue also shares funny moments about her own children’s “would you rather” games—demonstrating kids’ hilariously dark and absurd imaginations.

  • Vogue: “We play, like, would you rather get in a bath full of vomit or a bath full of crickets… and then she usually goes out with, would you rather marry a child or marry an adult? I was like, hang on, Gigi, I’m gonna have to explain something to you.” (16:10)

5. Pop Culture and Celebrity Digressions

• In true MTGM style, the hosts sideline briefly to discuss the "Butterfly Effect" film, recent celebrity scandals, and Jerry Hall’s birthday party.
  • On Ashton Kutcher: “He wasn’t very nice to Jamie Moore and we know that now...” (02:20)
  • On Jerry Hall: “A journalist came up to me at the BAFTAs and was like, Joanne’s really good friends with Jerry Hall. She’s always outside smoking with her.” (14:55)

6. Books and Paperback vs Hardback

• Joanne promotes her paperback, "Big Mouth," and the pair vent about book prices at airports, providing a relatable cap to the episode.
  • Vogue: “If you have been waiting for the paperback, Big Mouth is out now.” (19:34)
  • Joanne: “I spent a lot of time in airports… I would not buy a hardback… usually I’d be more drawn to a soft back.” (19:48)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Changing Standards

  • “Now they’re a new generation. They’re more progressive… not raised on all this weird [fetishizing skinniness].” —Joanne (18:12)

• On Authenticity

  • “Most of them are really respectful and bring their own condoms. They love a full bush and leg hair…” —Anonymous Email (17:17)

• On Parenthood

  • “Can you imagine how it drags for me, right? I am sick every single day.” —Vogue (04:21)

• On Pregnancy Cravings

  • “This baby likes the smell of old dank smoke off people’s clothes.” —Vogue (13:45)

• On Self-Discovery

  • “I forgot to tell you, I have an arse now. My arse has grown, like, it’s like a good arse.” —Vogue (19:01)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Pregnancy, Elephant Stories & Neighborhood Banter: 03:45 – 11:00
• WhatsApp Group Drama & Package Thefts: 06:46 – 09:30
• Pop Culture, Kids’ Questions & Jerry Hall: 13:45 – 15:25
• Listener Email: 37 and Libido: 16:45 – 19:32
• Books, Paperbacks & Arse Talk: 19:34 – 20:37

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Tone and Style

True to the My Therapist Ghosted Me spirit, the episode is fast-paced, irreverent, and peppered with sly banter and self-aware asides. Joanne and Vogue don’t shy from discussing traditionally taboo or awkward subjects, particularly as they relate to women in their 30s and beyond.

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Summary

In another delightfully unfiltered episode, Vogue and Joanne celebrate changes in confidence, sexuality, and body positivity that come with age, all while skewering neighborly drama, family quirks, and cultural clichés—wrapped up, as ever, in warmth and absurd hilarity. Whether you’re hunting for advice, a laugh, or a relatable take on growing older and bolder, this episode delivers it with the honesty and outrageousness fans love.

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Transcript

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[Vogue Williams]

This is a global player original podcast.

[Joanna]

Don't you dare try and throw me under the bus. As a. As a person of privilege. I have no front garden.

[Vogue Williams]

Okay, put it in the swimming pool then. Put it in the swimming pool. We've got to do something about the pigeons.

[Joanna]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that would be you. Yeah. Just flagging that I have a sex life. Joanne, you clearly don't happy to answer any questions.

[Vogue Williams]

Hello? I can't. I just can't get used to having her back. I can't get used to it.

[Joanna]

Hello, I am. I'm still here. I'm. I'm now. I am dressed a little unusually today. Just. If anyone's actually watching this, Joe says I look like a Roman emperor.

[Joe]

Greek. Actually, I think it's more Greek.

[Vogue Williams]

Sorry. A Greek emperor would have on Dutch leopard print hat.

[Joe]

And I didn't. I didn't say him before. I said someone from the ancient Greek times. You've elevated yourself to empire.

[Joanna]

I didn't say.

[Vogue Williams]

I think she looks like a washer woman.

[Joanna]

I've elevated. What's a washer woman?

[Vogue Williams]

She does the washer like a washer woman from the olden days. You know those women who used to wear the rags in rivers and wash people's.

[Joanna]

Yes, an emperor.

[Vogue Williams]

Have you seen her?

[Joanna]

I love.

[Joe]

That wasn't my words. I didn't say that.

[Joanna]

I can't believe I just promoted myself to emperor. And yes, I'm a Roman emperor with the Bond Dutch hat. Because I have a time machine. Okay. I was just in Pompeii doing my bits and bobs and then I came back through my space.

[Vogue Williams]

Pompeii. Was it Pompei?

[Joanna]

I was trying to warn them about the impending explosion of Vesuvius. See, can I shift time? Remember the butterfly effects? The butterfly effect that they were like. I actually really like that film.

[Joe]

Great.

[Vogue Williams]

I just don't like. I don't like ash and culture. But I think that's for other reasons.

[Joanna]

Yeah, well, he wasn't very nice to Jamie Moore and we know that now, but he. The film Butterfly Effect was like how tiny. If you go back in time, every single thing you check, you think you. Things you think you would change and then it has this like massive knock on effect. I think he kind of unalived himself in the end, didn't he, Joe? Just to kind of.

[Joe]

Well, we don't spoil a film no matter how long ago it came out, you know, no spoiler.

[Vogue Williams]

No one's watching anything. No one's watching. And do you think anyone's typing in Ashton Kutcher to Netflix? I don't think so.

[Joe]

Go and watch it.

[Joanna]

Wonder how has a fairly decent career. Oh, no, sorry, he's not. He's been cancelled. Forgot about that.

[Vogue Williams]

It's not that he's been cancelled, he's just like. I don't agree with canceling people unless like they're really. He's just. He's not. He would. He's. He has questionable opinions on people that are grimo.

[Joanna]

I totally forgot about that. I forgot that him and his wife. His name escapes me right now.

[Vogue Williams]

Mis. Mis.

[Joanna]

Oh, they did it. They really.

[Vogue Williams]

They did a silly. A silly Billy thing. Do you know what I always remember about them as well? This is why you should be careful what you say about yourself in the press. I always remember that they say they don't wash and they don't. Yeah. And they don't wash their kids. And I'm just like. When I see them, no matter. Like they could be on a red carpet with suits on and I'm like smelly.

[Joanna]

Is there. Is there a bit of context for that? This now, is this. It sounds a kind of a clickbaity headline.

[Vogue Williams]

No. But if you would like to. Have you seen my headlines now? I'm not. My name's not Vogue Williams anymore. It's pregnant. Vogue Williams, of course.

[Joanna]

Well, you are pregnant. I mean, the facts track.

[Vogue Williams]

It's my only name.

[Joanna]

That's all you are, you're just once. Women are pregnant. It's really. It's all just about the pregnancy really, from other people's perspective.

[Vogue Williams]

Joanne, you don't remember. Everybody is forgetting I'm pregnant.

[Joanna]

This pregnancy is really dragging and I've

[Vogue Williams]

only shouldn't have told you in six

[Joanna]

weeks and I've only. I. And as you know, I do keep forgetting you're pregnant. So even for the short space of time I've known you're pregnant, it's still dragging. Do they. Do they stay in longer on the fourth round?

[Vogue Williams]

Can you imagine how it drags for me, right? I am sick every single day.

[Joanna]

Are you?

[Vogue Williams]

Yes. Every day. I have to take tablets non stop. So yeah, it's a bit of a drag. It's quite long.

[Joanna]

Yeah, it is really long. If I, if there's anything that could be done to speed it up. I mean you're a well connected woman.

[Vogue Williams]

Thank God I'm not a bloody elephant. They go on for ages. They're all. They're pregnant for a long time.

[Joanna]

Did you see your one who was crushed by an elephant? Two elephants started having a scrap and this poor woman, because the weight of them, they're absolutely ginormous. And this poor woman was crushed underneath her and she's got lover. She's, she's, she's. She died.

[Vogue Williams]

You obviously weren't listening in safari class when you went away. Elephants are like the most dangerous. Like stay elephants and one of those other ones, not wildebeests, buffalo. They will like if they have a smell you, they will literally go for you and they'll absolutely trample the shy city on purpose.

[Joanna]

That's a shame. I was planning to get an elephant for the new house.

[Vogue Williams]

I thought I drove by your new house and I got really excited

[Joanna]

when an elephant just drilled around the garden and clap them out. Got him on. I got him on Etsy.

[Vogue Williams]

Do you remember everyone had those cows? Do you remember all over Dublin there was those cows everywhere. Like painted loads.

[Joanna]

Oh yes.

[Vogue Williams]

If you want to have an elephant, just, you know what, you're not really very neighborly. I wouldn't say. I can't imagine you're, you're hanging out with all your neighbors. So I suggest to really make sure that doesn't happen, get a giant elephant for the front garden. They'll never talk.

[Joanna]

The front, the front garden.

[Vogue Williams]

Ah. They'll never talk to you again.

[Joanna]

There is no folk, there is no front garden. Don't you dare try and throw me under the bus. As a, as a person of privilege. I have no front garden.

[Vogue Williams]

Okay. Put it in the swimming pool then. Put it in the swimming pool.

[Joe]

Thank you.

[Joanna]

More like it.

[Vogue Williams]

We the private beach. Some fact checking here.

[Joanna]

There's no front garden. Okay.

[Vogue Williams]

I'm so on the steps on the way down to the private beach or the jetty. It would look lovely on the jetty.

[Joanna]

I am a regular person.

[Vogue Williams]

Okay. With the chopper pot. You know what we can tell from today you are a regular, regular person.

[Joanna]

I am. In my spare time. Am I an ancient Greek and Grecian emperor? Yes, I am. With great style.

[Joe]

Will you join your neighborhood WhatsApp group when you get the opportunity?

[Joanna]

I will. For this. Yeah. Because those things are chernobyl level toxic. I want in. I like. There's no. There's entire Reddit threads devoted to the lunacy of the what's. Of the neighborly WhatsApp groups. I mean, are you and yours folk?

[Vogue Williams]

No, but I have nice neighbors either side of me in.

[Joanna]

In which house?

[Vogue Williams]

In the rental house that I'm in. They're very nice. No, they are. They're really nice. They take in packages and like we take in their packages and I always think that that's a sign of a very nice neighbor because, like, it's a bit annoying.

[Joanna]

Paul McCaffrey used to have a great bit about. He still does have the best. I'm sure it hasn't been taken off him about taking cuz he work because he's a comedian. So he's home all the time and that a lot of the time the neighbors would get their stuff delivered and then they come in in the evening. He said it was like he was running a post office. He'd be taking their documents and all. Like, he'd be like scrolling down the wall to see the cold matches and everything. So funny. Live at the Apollo is so funny.

[Vogue Williams]

It's a very neighborly thing to do. So I like my neighbors here. My neighbors in Dublin are very nice. They said I could use their field and the kids could go into their field. So I thought, you know what? Very not. Thank you very much.

[Joanna]

Live well. I still. I can't get anything. If anything sits in the communal hallway for longer than seven minutes of mine, it is still stolen.

[Vogue Williams]

Stop.

[Joanna]

And I'm starting to think it's not. I think the. I think the call might be coming from inside the house, if you know what I mean.

[Vogue Williams]

I wouldn't, you know, I wouldn't be surprised if Spany had a bit of an incident.

[Joanna]

Did he?

[Vogue Williams]

With somebody? Yeah, two of our. We. We ordered Zap and Spenny was like, it's. Zap is like a grocery app. And we ordered Zap. And I was like spending for. I was. I was waiting to make eggs, basically. So I was waiting on my eggs and he's like, the eggs got delivered.

[Joanna]

As a woman in your 40s now, protein is a huge priority. I'm delighted to hear it's delicious.

[Vogue Williams]

I wanted eggs in a cup. That's what I wanted. And so he was like, they got delivered an hour ago. And I was like, well, they're not here. And he was like, they said they were delivered to this other place. And I was like, how weird. So he ordered them again. Again, they they went. And so Swenny ended up knocking on the door, and they were like, we're on a call. And he was like, why are you taking in my groceries? Like, you didn't order groceries. Stop taking my groceries.

[Joanna]

Well, it's. It's theft, really. I mean, it's not like you're not minding something like it's theft. Joe, have you. How's your postal system? How's your postal situation?

[Joe]

Oh, we've got nice neighbors. I belong to a WhatsApp group, but I have it archived and it catches me out every now and again because the neighbor will go, you come into the barbecue on Saturday. And I go, what barbecue on Saturday?

[Joanna]

And they go, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

And then it's sort of awkward.

[Joanna]

Yes. Yeah. But I think, to be fair, Joe, in your defense, I would say most people have their neighborly WhatsApp group muted.

[Vogue Williams]

I fear if I joined one of them, I would turn into. I'd be the one that everybody'd be bitching about. We've got to do it. We've got to do something about the pigeons.

[Joanna]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That would be you. Yeah, Just eat them.

[Vogue Williams]

Absolutely, yeah.

[Joanna]

The machine going in the communal garden, taking.

[Vogue Williams]

I was at our. I was at our new house today, and there's been progress. I actually commended the builders. I didn't want to go too far, cuz I don't want them getting ahead of themselves.

[Joanna]

But I said, something has happened.

[Vogue Williams]

I'm impressed here. Walls are down. The place is looking magnificent.

[Joanna]

Wow.

[Vogue Williams]

I had an interiors person over with me. It's all go on the Western Front, as my mother would say.

[Joanna]

Think that's a world. Is that World War II? No, it's. It's all quiet on the Western Front. Is that not what the saying is that not.

[Vogue Williams]

Sorry. This is Sandra Wilson's saying. It's all go on the Western Front.

[Joanna]

I'm pretty sure it was like that. Wasn't that something to do with World War II?

[Joe]

And all quiet on the Western Front is a novel, a German novel from 1928 about the First World War.

[Joanna]

There you go, Sandra. She hit the nail on the head there.

[Vogue Williams]

It's all going. Sandra's world on the Western Front.

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[Joanna]

Good woman. Sandra.

[Vogue Williams]

It's terrible. I ring Neil. I'll ring Neil sometimes. And I'm like, oh, what are you up to? And then I'm like, oh, it's Thursday. He's sitting, having a coffee in the shopping center while he waits for my mom. For the next three hours, I'm like, that's why he answered his phone so fast.

[Joanna]

It's a dream. Sorry. Like, it's. I, I. And I don't wish ill health on Sandra, but if she does go before nail, I'll swoop in.

[Vogue Williams]

Imagine you hurt my sick husband.

[Joanna]

And then I'll raise you.

[Vogue Williams]

You raise me right, I'll be dragged up by Sandra. He's right. By Joanne.

[Joanna]

I'll raise you properly. Vogue. Amber is the last cause. But you. I think there's still. I think I could. I think I could do good work there.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, Amber's definitely gone. So my favorite thing about Amber is when she likes to describe a night out. And you know what I'm like when people have had a night out. You. And I'm ringing around to see what time it ended.

[Joanna]

Yeah.

[Vogue Williams]

What went on?

[Joanna]

Yeah, there's a. I'm the same. I love to ring around really early in the morning while I'm out sprinting through the common Arian pits. Are you? Yeah, I was really late. Yeah.

[Vogue Williams]

It's mental health. Okay. No, I didn't think so. No. Well, that's what you guessing.

[Joanna]

Yeah.

[Vogue Williams]

Amber went to the Albert went to the VIP Style Awards, and she's like, home by two. And I'm like, oh, yeah, do you remember getting home at 2? Because I know who put you in a taxi.

[Joanna]

She's like, that's not true.

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[Joanna]

A friend of mine, they have. They're off the biz, as we'd say. They're on the dry. They're. And they're making great strides with it all, and I'm very, very proud of them. And I am kind of.

[Joe]

Yeah, well done, Vogue, actually.

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[Vogue Williams]

Well, I appreciate it.

[Joanna]

Yeah. Wait till the people see the real you, Vogue. When the camera scans out, there's all these bongs and crack pipes on the shelves behind you. And I'm like, I told you it was all a farce.

[Vogue Williams]

I said to Amber, I was like, I can't help it. Like, I don't smoke. I'm not pregnant. I have the odd one when I'm Drinking. But I don't. Like, I'm not a smoker, but, like, the smell of smoke when I'm pregnant. I'm like, I'm just like, I, I, I. And I don't like the smell of smoke off people when I'm not pregnant. But this baby likes the smell of old dank smoke off people's clothes.

[Joanna]

Disgusting.

[Vogue Williams]

I know.

[Joanna]

Like, is that a craving?

[Vogue Williams]

I think my dad is being reincarnated.

[Joanna]

Of course.

[Vogue Williams]

Yes.

[Joanna]

That makes sense. Freddy's back. Yeah. The baby's gonna come out smoking a cigar. I smoked up a storm on Traders, but it was literally just out. I was like, I'm smoking. Because they were just long days. And you were like, there's just, you know, you're kind of like breaking up the time. But then I was like, joanne, this is like. It's really. You know, I know. I haven't. I'm not the first one to bring this information to the table. It's really bad for you.

[Vogue Williams]

I know, but I did it in the jungle. I was smoking. Yeah. And. And the security guards were like, God, it's a busy day at the office for you, Vogue. You came not smoke. I feel Dan, I'm like, I'm back.

[Joanna]

I know. It's literally. It just kind of eats into a bit of standing around time. And there is always a lot of standing around time with tv. It's kind of, you know, there's a lot of resetting of cameras on your own.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah. You're not on your. Well, you were on your own more than I would have been on my own. I was never on my own.

[Joanna]

Well, I was out smoking with Jerry Hall.

[Vogue Williams]

I heard. I. A journalist came up to me at the BAFTAs and was like. And was like, joanna's really good friends with Jerry Hall.

[Joanna]

I was like, yes.

[Vogue Williams]

He was like, she's always outside. She's always outside smoking with her.

[Joanna]

And I was, yes, Jerry was out. Well, I. I mean, obviously, everyone adores Jerry Hall. She is iconic. But I think she had a big birthday party and we were all. She was telling us all about it and everyone was like, did anyone get the nod?

[Vogue Williams]

Did anyone get the knot?

[Joanna]

Of course we didn't. Jerry's gone back to her glamorous life. And actually. I was gonna say Texas. She actually lives in the UK in

[Joe]

July, she's going to be 70.

[Joanna]

She's going 70 in July, though.

[Vogue Williams]

Gosh. You didn't get. You didn't get a Nod to the 70th.

[Joanna]

You want, like, isn't there still time?

[Vogue Williams]

What's the point of doing the traders. This is meaningless. I asked you to be friends with

[Joanna]

one person I know was Jerry Hall.

[Vogue Williams]

We have emails. Joanne, are you prepared for an email?

[Joanna]

I believe so.

[Vogue Williams]

It's called, okay, your work situationship or Younger lads love it.

[Joanna]

Why did I have a. Why do I have an immediate repulsive reaction to that last caption?

[Vogue Williams]

Not that my kids. We play.

[Joanna]

My God, Joe, are you playing?

[Joe]

Not in a problematic.

[Joanna]

There's no investing these emails. You're just banging them all through to Vogue.

[Vogue Williams]

We play. We play. Would you rather. On the way to school.

[Joanna]

Right.

[Vogue Williams]

And she's used that again. We play like, would you rather get in a bath full of vomit or a bath full of crickets? That kind of stuff. And then she usually goes out with. Would you rather marry a child or marry an adult? I was like, hang on, Gigi, I'm gonna have to explain something to you.

[Joanna]

That is hilarious.

[Vogue Williams]

Get dark. The way to school.

[Joanna]

She's keeping across global news and taking in information from Afghanistan. Good for her. Gigi. Maybe. Maybe she's going to be a political journalist, quite possibly in heels. We'd love to see it. Okay.

[Vogue Williams]

Okay, here we go. Hi, girlos. I turned 37 in December, and since then, my libido has been through the roof. Interesting. I have been constantly hooking up with younger men, one to four a week, and have learned a lot. How the. Like, how is that happening?

[Joanna]

I tried one to four a week.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah. When I was single, I tried really hard. I got one in six months. One to four.

[Joanna]

Okay, read on, read on.

[Vogue Williams]

For starters, most of them are really respectful and bring their own condoms. They love a full bush and leg hair.

[Joanna]

Okay.

[Vogue Williams]

Really ripped ones with abs are attracted to my belly and stretch marks. I want to spread the words that this is a viable option for those in their 30s, because, I mean, it's not like you're. You're turning 90 here. You're 37. Because it's so much fun. It's been such a journey. Happy to answer questions. Please keep me anonymous for obvious reasons.

[Joanna]

Answer questions.

[Vogue Williams]

I haven't told any.

[Joanna]

What are we, two frigid aliens?

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, yeah. She's like, hey, girl, last time you got the right.

[Joanna]

Like, just flagging that I have a sex life. Joanne, you clearly don't happy to answer any questions.

[Vogue Williams]

I haven't told. I haven't told anyone else in my life because of religious guilt. Okay, so what happens then?

[Joanna]

They are a new generation of our generation of man. They are as brainwashed and traumatized as we are because they were raised on all this weird. They're like, we. I know we were victims of heroin cheek, but I. Men were also brainwashed into thinking that was like, hot and sexy. Whereas now they're a new generation. They're young, they. They're not raised on that. They're. They're more progressive, I would say, than our generation of men. Do you know what I mean?

[Vogue Williams]

I think. I think everyone's into different body types. It doesn't. Like, you don't have to be one body type for.

[Joanna]

No, of course. But I think our, like, the men who are our age were as brainwashed as we were. And like, I think when skinniness was fetishized so much that now I do think that has shifted and it's obviously, it's as playing out in men's tastes as well, which is fantastic. I don't know what I'm saying. Does any of this make sense?

[Vogue Williams]

I know, yeah, it does. I would like to end that with. I forgot to tell you, I have an arse now. My arse has grown like. It's like a good arse.

[Joanna]

Congratulations.

[Vogue Williams]

On its own. Didn't have to do anything. It's not. Love is working out, it just has grown.

[Joanna]

It's a great reason to have a child.

[Vogue Williams]

I'm absolutely thrilled. I don't know what I'll miss more, the boobs or the arse. I don't know.

[Joanna]

I thought I did. I did. I did see a trotting past there the other day. I said, jesus, someone's had a bbl.

[Vogue Williams]

I'm only telling you. It's because I got out of the shower there and I caught a glimpse of it in the mirror and I was like, holy, who owns that? And it was me.

[Joanna]

Good for you, Vogue.

[Vogue Williams]

Thank you. Oh, by the way, my book is out on paperback here she is. Big mate. Supposedly people wait around for paperback. I'm. I'm just too impatient. But if you have been waiting for the paperback, Big Mouth is out now.

[Joanna]

I spent a lot of time in airports. I often buy books in airport shops and I would not buy a hardback because I'm like, there's no. I'm not dragging that around Australia for a month. So I was usually. I. Usually I'd be more drawn to a soft back.

[Vogue Williams]

They're much cheap. Well, no, but they're much cheaper as well. But I was in the airport the other day and I went to buy this book and she told me my bill. I was find the crisps and Sweets as well. 30 quid. I was like, I'm not paying 30 quid for that book. I put it back.

[Joanna]

Yeah, good for you supporting your fellow writers.

[Joe]

But do go out and buy my paperback.

[Vogue Williams]

I will. I will wait for the paperback. Paperback is 10.99. I'm not paying 30 quid for a book. Yeah, 99 paperback.

[Joanna]

Anyway, congratulations on the paperback, I'm sure. And the arts.

[Vogue Williams]

Thank you very much. I appreciate that. Yeah, it's been a good week for me all around.

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