MTGM EXTRA! "I won't feel that excitement again in this lifetime."

Summary

Podcast Summary: MTGM EXTRA! "I won't feel that excitement again in this lifetime."

Podcast Information:

• Title: My Therapist Ghosted Me
• Host/Author: Global
• Description: Join Vogue Williams & Joanne McNally for a weekly chat with 100% honesty guaranteed.
• Episode: MTGM EXTRA! "I won't feel that excitement again in this lifetime."
• Release Date: February 19, 2025

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Introduction and Lighthearted Banter

The episode kicks off with a playful exchange between the hosts, Joanne McNally and Vogue Williams, alongside a guest named Joe. They discuss the repetitive nature of their podcast introductions, with Vogue suggesting a fresh approach:

Vogue Williams [00:10]: "Do we need to kind of freshen up our intros?"

However, after a brief improvisational attempt, they decide to stick with their familiar introduction:

Vogue Williams [00:40]: "Welcome to my therapist, Ghost of me with me, Joanna McNally and my work wife, Vog Williams."

This sets a casual and humorous tone for the episode, highlighting their comfortable rapport.

Discussion on Parenthood and Personal Responsibilities

The conversation shifts towards the topic of having a baby, with Joanne sharing her experience and feelings about impending parenthood:

Joanne McNally [01:34]: "I did my last going out on the piss before Jo has this baby."

Joe humorously interjects about the responsibilities and physical demands associated with childbirth:

Joe [02:05]: "The baby will come out and Joanne will be like, no, I'm still. I still need it."

Vogue emphasizes the significant role she anticipates playing in the childbirth process:

Vogue Williams [02:29]: "She's already out. Which one of that. Why are women complaining about giving birth?"

The hosts discuss the physical challenges of pregnancy and childbirth, balancing humor with genuine insights into the emotional and physical aspects of becoming parents.

Navigating Illness and Emotional Resilience

The dialogue transitions to personal experiences with illness and how it affects one's willingness to share feelings:

Joanne McNally [04:14]: "I'm alone. I've learned to be very resilient, and I know that now I have only myself to rely on."

Joe shares his struggles with maintaining emotional connections while being sick, highlighting the theme of "whinge fatigue":

Joe [04:21]: "People will only listen to people complain for a short amount of time. And then you get moan fatigue, don't you?"

Vogue and Joe delve into the societal expectations around expressing vulnerability, especially during sickness, and how relationships can influence one's emotional resilience.

Personal Anecdote: Online Romance Scam

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to Joe recounting a personal experience with an online romance scam:

Joe [12:55]: "I recently struck up a conversation online with a very nice man that I was following on TikTok... I asked you not to put this in. I've been married for 15 years, but the spark went out of our marriage a long time ago."

Joe shares his initial excitement upon receiving attention from a social media persona, which he later discovers was a ploy to sell cryptocurrency:

Joe [14:37]: "It turned out that it was all a ploy. Ah. To get me to buy into his cryptocurrency business."

Vogue responds with empathy and encouragement, urging Joe to recognize his own capacity for love and to possibly seek new relationships:

Vogue Williams [14:47]: "If there's nothing going on with you, what this says to me is that there is life in the old dog yet... go out and find another one."

This segment highlights the emotional impact of online interactions and the importance of self-worth and communication within a marriage.

Periods and Fertility Education

A humorous yet informative discussion ensues about the biological aspects of menstruation and ovulation, revealing a gap in commonly held knowledge:

Vogue Williams [10:32]: "Why don't they teach us that in school?"

Joe humorously admits his confusion between menstruation and ovulation, prompting a light-hearted yet educational exchange:

Joe [10:35]: "What do they teach you in school?"

Vogue Williams [10:37]: "If the train leaves the station at 8am I'm never going to be on an 8am train. I don't do mornings."

The hosts use this segment to both entertain and inform listeners about reproductive health, blending factual information with their signature humor.

Advice on Relationship Communication

Towards the end of the episode, Vogue and Joe focus on offering advice to Joe regarding his marital issues. Vogue encourages open communication and self-care:

Vogue Williams [16:35]: "You deserve to be made to feel special. ... go out and find another one."

Joe counters with reflections on the crypto scam and the absence of genuine connection in his marriage:

Joe [16:38]: "She's nearly middle-aged... I've got the capability to fall mad about and to have all the butterflies and the fanny flutters."

Vogue underscores the importance of acknowledging one's needs and taking proactive steps to foster emotional well-being:

Vogue Williams [17:31]: "Stick that in the list to learn with the periods."

Conclusion and Final Remarks

The episode wraps up with light-hearted banter about bike shopping and crypto scams, reinforcing the hosts' ability to balance serious topics with humor:

Joe [16:52]: "I'll buy you a bike as part of your new life."

Vogue emphasizes the importance of self-worth and resilience:

Vogue Williams [17:52]: "Block that crypto, ladies. That's no."

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Key Takeaways:

1. Emotional Resilience: The hosts emphasize the importance of resilience in personal relationships and dealing with life's challenges, such as illness and breakups.

2. Communication in Relationships: Open and honest communication is highlighted as crucial for maintaining healthy relationships and addressing personal needs.

3. Awareness of Online Scams: Joe's experience serves as a cautionary tale about the dangers of online interactions and the importance of safeguarding personal information.

4. Educating on Reproductive Health: The discussion around periods and ovulation underscores the need for better reproductive education.

5. Self-Worth and Personal Growth: The episode encourages listeners to recognize their own value and take proactive steps towards personal happiness and fulfillment.

Notable Quotes:

• Vogue Williams [00:10]: "Do we need to kind of freshen up our intros?"
• Joe [12:55]: "I've been married for 15 years, but the spark went out of our marriage a long time ago."
• Vogue Williams [14:47]: "Go out and find another one. Leave your husband and find another one."
• Joanne McNally [04:14]: "I've learned to be very resilient, and I know that now I have only myself to rely on."
• Joe [14:35]: "I probably won't feel that excitement or be made to feel special to someone like that again in this lifetime."

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This episode of "My Therapist Ghosted Me" effectively blends humor with poignant discussions on relationships, personal challenges, and the importance of self-care. Vogue Williams and Joanne McNally, along with their guest Joe, provide listeners with relatable insights and honest advice, maintaining the podcast's reputation for 100% honesty with a generous helping of laughter.

Transcript

[Joanne McNally]

This is a Global Player original podcast.

[Vogue Williams]

Welcome to my therapist. Go to me. Do we need to kind of freshen up our intros?

[Joe]

It's that time of year, Joe. Don't worry.

[Joanne McNally]

It's like clockwork, isn't it?

[Vogue Williams]

Is it mid February? I think we need to freshen up our intros.

[Joanne McNally]

Try something different. Just throw us something.

[Joe]

Go, go. Do it.

[Vogue Williams]

Like improv.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Joanne McNally]

Vibe it.

[Joe]

All right.

[Vogue Williams]

No, let's stick with what we have. I think it works.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Vogue Williams]

Welcome to my. Welcome to my therapist, Ghost of me with me, Joanna McNally and my work wife, Vog Williams.

[Joe]

I thought of the perfect gift for you. Oh, thrilled. I love gifts. Well, it's also the perfect one for me to give you as well because it's not that expensive.

[Vogue Williams]

Is this like when Homer bought Marge a bowling ball with his name on it?

[Joe]

Yeah, I've just bought loads of runners in my own size. Oh, they don't fit you. Oh, I'll keep them. Don't worry, I'll do something with them.

[Vogue Williams]

That's what that feels like. This is the vibe. Hold on. Sorry, I just fixed my.

[Joe]

Look at Joe Nate hoovering that bagel. What time is it? Is that your first meal of the day or something?

[Vogue Williams]

No.

[Joe]

Never seen someone hungrier.

[Joanne McNally]

Honestly, I'm sorry. I'm just hanging out of my ass, so.

[Joe]

Oh, you're hung over. Oh, tell us, please. My favorite.

[Joanne McNally]

I did my last going out on the piss before Jo has this baby.

[Joe]

This baby? Oh, Jos is just having the baby. No involvement for you now?

[Joanne McNally]

No, we. We will have a baby, but ultimately she has to do the having of it.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, she's doing the heavy lifting and the heavy motion. Guys.

[Joe]

That girl has got like. She has got gas and air waiting for her. I'm jealous, personally.

[Vogue Williams]

It's the only reason I want to have a kid.

[Joe]

Oh, it's fantastic.

[Joanne McNally]

It is great.

[Joe]

The baby will come out. Joanne will. The baby will come out and Joanne will be like, no, I'm still. I still need it.

[Vogue Williams]

I might pop in. Joe, would I pop in?

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, I'll text you. I'll let you know when it's all go time and you can.

[Vogue Williams]

Will you? Yeah, I might pop. I've been meaning to pop in actually to the birth baby baby hospital for a while. Just trying to check it out, see what's going on there and. Sure, I might as well have a plug on that pipe thing while I'm there.

[Joe]

Joe. I'd be careful cuz when I was having auto, she was scratching at the door. It was really got frightening towards the end.

[Vogue Williams]

I like folk. You don't even need it anymore. You. You're huge vagina. Give it to me. She's already out. Which one of that. Why are women complaining about giving birth? They have all the resources in the.

[Joe]

World and then you get free toast after. Why are they always banging on about us winters? Everyone's. Do you know, everyone gets annoyed when you say that. And I always say I'm like, I love giving birth. But like, the reason I love giving birth is because I feel so sick and by the time I get. The sickness ends when I give birth. So I'm like, I like that day. To me it's like pleasure.

[Vogue Williams]

Because I'm like, yes, I do see. I see heavily pregnant women around in the world basically, and they. And they do look, it looks very uncomfortable. I would. I honestly think like Vogue's very. She's a real band's backer. She's a real baby bounce backer.

[Joe]

Well, because I'm so sick. Don't like, I don't. I don't put on loads and loads of weight because I'm really sick no matter what I do.

[Vogue Williams]

You're also squatting and all that jazz, which, I mean, look, I. I respect it, it's great. But I feel like I would be very much a let herself goer. I feel like I'd be a taken to the bed. Big dramas, everyone involved. I'd move my mom in all that jazz.

[Joe]

The only thing is you've only. And I know this from experience that you only particularly. Even just in December when I was sick. You only have a window of time before people are like, shut up. Like, I don't. I can't listen anymore. I can't listen to even span. I can see him when I was sick, he's just kind of like, I. I can feel he walks out the door to throw his eyes to heaven. But I know he's doing it.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. Yeah. People will only lit. People will only listen to people complain for a short amount of time. And then you get. You get moan fatigue, don't you? You're like, oh, come on.

[Joe]

You're actually not too much of a whinger when you're sick. On the rare occasion that you are sick, you don't whinge that much.

[Vogue Williams]

But that's because I. I'm. I'm alone.

[Joe]

Yeah. So you're whinging privately.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, I'm like, I just kind of. I. I've learned because of my relationship status That I don't have one. I've learned to be very resilient, and I know that now I have only myself to rely on, because that's what happens.

[Joe]

You wouldn't mind having a chat with Amber, would you, for me? I can't.

[Vogue Williams]

She's not resilient like me. Amber's not mentally resilient like me.

[Joe]

I had to screen her calls over the weekend. I was like, I can't answer it. I take the odd one. And then I was like, no, I can't. I can't. She'd ring me, like, four times a day, and I'd accept one because I just couldn't listen anymore. I'm like, I actually.

[Vogue Williams]

You know what?

[Joe]

I don't care. And she's like, we had a fight over her. We had a fight over her having the flu because she was convinced it was way worse than the flu. And I was like, no, that sounds like the flu. It's not the flu. And I have this. And I was like, no, it sounds like the flu. And then eventually she found out it was the flu. But she's one of those people as well. When she breaks up with somebody, which has for a long time, thankfully, she'll go on about it for months and months on.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, I have a touch. I do have a touch of that now. I just. I. I take it hard. I do. I take heartbreak hard. I. I crack. I do crack. But I actually have a friend going through it at the moment, and it's horrible to watch. I forgot that, like, visceral, guttural. The constant nause. Nausea, Nausea. I actually think sickness in the stomach.

[Joe]

I think. And this is not to sound bad or take away from death, but I think, like. Like when I think of my dad dying, I'm like, I was really sa of going through a really. Like, you're in pain when you go through a breakup, even though that goes away faster. And the grief.

[Vogue Williams]

It's the old saying. There's no rejection. And death. There's no rejection. It's the rejection of a breakup is You're. You just. Do you know what it is? It's because you. It triggers all these insecurities you have about yourself. So you.

[Joe]

Yeah, you're.

[Vogue Williams]

All that stuff that you hate about yourself when someone rejects you, like, oh, it's all true. I'm a waste of space. I have nothing of value. I'm that other person. And if they leave you for someone else, oh, my God.

[Joe]

Oh, God.

[Vogue Williams]

Breaks loose. All hell breaks loose. You're like, I knew it. I'm an ugly. I knew it. I knew it. I know. It's been proven to me.

[Joe]

This will tell you about how great I think I am. Obviously it takes me a while now before I'd be like, I had. I, I'll consider that I had anything to do with the breakup. Like what we were saying last week. I'm like, no, no, that wasn't me. It will take a while. And then I'm like, h. Maybe, maybe the touch of me in there.

[Vogue Williams]

I mean, I can't, I don't, I don't think I, I can't say I find that completely sur. She says diplomatically. Wouldn't say I'm shocked by that revelation.

[Joe]

Your go to would be to blame yourself. My go to would be like, yeah, they were awful.

[Vogue Williams]

I like, the breakup's my fault. They're like, joanne, we haven't even broken up yet. And I'm like, but we will, because everything ends and it will be my fault. I don't know. We need someone, we need a middle ground for two extreme versions. We're both to Lulu in our own ways. You know what I mean?

[Joe]

But I, I, yeah, we're to Lulu. But I'm happy with the way I am and so are you. Like, I'm happy. I'm not change. I'm not changing for anyone. Too late.

[Vogue Williams]

No.

[Joe]

40 now. Nearly.

[Vogue Williams]

I know you're nearly, you're nearly in the club.

[Joe]

I know. I'm excited.

[Vogue Williams]

She's nearly middle aged. I can't wait. I can't wait.

[Joe]

Middle age has changed now. I'm not middle aged because I'm not gonna die at 80, I'm probably gonna die at 95, so.

[Vogue Williams]

Well, apparently 30 is middle aged according to some science thing I read recently. Yeah, but also. Sorry. And then another thing I read, middle age no longer exists. As in, like culturally. There's no such thing. Middle age used to be floor length floral dresses and you suddenly to cut all your hair off. Not a thing anymore. Look at us. Look at us. Look at them.

[Joe]

My hair is nearly down to my arse.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, look at you.

[Joe]

I went to get my, I went to get my. Remember I told you I was going to do fertility? I was, I went to get fertility checked. I don't know what I think. It's just this day and age. Everyone's just worried about fertility and I don't even know if I want to have another child. But anyway, I went to get it checked and, and like you said, so she's checking my fertility. She's like, Everything was fine. And then she was like, oh, there was an. An egg has been released from the right ovary. And I was like, well done, well done. And then she goes, oh, an egg has been released from the left ovary. And I said, I said, my friend Joanne told me that when you get older, your body starts shooting at eggs. Shooting, shooting, shooting. Well, Joanne, she told me that it doesn't just happen to older people. It actually can happen to younger women as well. Or you just go.

[Vogue Williams]

I this is why people don't believe my facts.

[Joe]

Well, it's true, but it's also not true. It's half true.

[Vogue Williams]

You're fine, but like, no, no, well done. No, it is true. It is true.

[Joe]

Well, the gynecologist said that it happens. It does. It can happen to older women, but it can also happen to young ovaries as well. It doesn't. It doesn't discriminate in age of the ovary.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, so were you double dropping eggs? Is that what you're saying?

[Joe]

I double dropped an egg this month.

[Vogue Williams]

So where do they get. Like I said, where do that. Where to.

[Joe]

Where I've troubled. So when it releases an egg and it's going to come out in your period, and then it really released another egg at the same time. So now Spencer's wearing five condoms.

[Vogue Williams]

Just hold on a second. Is the period in egg.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah.

[Vogue Williams]

Joe, no, no joke. This is not the time for you to pipe up and pretend that you knew that.

[Joe]

I realized it sheds your time.

[Vogue Williams]

It's the. It's the wall of the womb. It's the wall we're shouting.

[Joe]

Yeah, but it's. You're also getting rid of the egg that month.

[Vogue Williams]

Well, they could have. Is this not something I should know about myself?

[Joe]

Do you know what do you see when she said that, and I knew it was the egg, but when she was like, is it the. I was like, well, actually, no, now that Joanne says it might not be. Yes, it is.

[Vogue Williams]

Why don't they teach us that in school?

[Joe]

What do they teach you in school?

[Vogue Williams]

If the train leaves the station at 8am I'm never going to be on an 8am train. I don't do mornings.

[Joe]

It's.

[Vogue Williams]

No, it doesn't matter. I don't need to know anything about.

[Joe]

Okay, so what it says is a period, also known as menstruation, is a vagina bleeding that occurs when the lining of the uterus sheds.

[Vogue Williams]

Sheds. Yeah.

[Joe]

Yeah. So I knew that, but then, like, I thought it was the egg coming down as well. Oh, this is shocking.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh my God. It's not the egg, it's just the wall. I was also very masculine language. Men shed. It's. It's all very.

[Joe]

Hang on, let me just. Male.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh no, no sheds.

[Joe]

Okay. No. A period is the shedding of the lining of the uterus while an egg is released from the ovary during or ovulation. Where does the egg go then?

[Vogue Williams]

Oh my God.

[Joe]

What's going out of the chicken? What came first?

[Vogue Williams]

It's the wall. It's the wall. Joe, have you anything to say?

[Joe]

Yeah. Joe, you stupid fallopian tube. Get lost.

[Joanne McNally]

I don't think I should. I don't think I should pipe up. So you carry on.

[Joe]

You know you can get. If you don't want to have any more kids. You know the way that men can get the snip. Women can also get their fallopian tubes tied.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

Just more work for the women. The men should be doing it.

[Vogue Williams]

Well, I don't know if I would trust anyway. I know I do trust man. I wouldn't trust a man to take the pill the morning after. But remember they were trying to bring out like a male more not sure. I don't even take them. I don't take it myself. And I'm the one who has the knock on effect of getting pregnant and I'm like the pill. So I can.

[Joe]

I've just reminded my. My pill that's. I have not taken that in quite some time.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah. Wait till you hit 40 vogue. You won't need that anymore.

[Joe]

Joanne, you enjoy them. My mom didn't it?

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah. Enjoy every single one of them. Oh yeah.

[Joe]

I'm over here now. Come over here tonight. We'll do a few of them together. I recently struck up a conversation online with a very nice man that I was following on. Tick tock. I had commented on a couple of his videos and he replied to one of my comments asking me to contact him so we could get to know each other better.

[Vogue Williams]

Nice.

[Joe]

With a couple of heart emojis thrown in for good measure. Some of his videos have several million views, so I was skeptical at first. Oh. But I verified that it was in fact a reply directly from him. I'd love to know who it is. Yeah, I know. Wait. And I couldn't find anyone else's comment that he had sent to reply to. So I felt very special and extremely flattered. I got butterflies and felt real excitement as I debated whether to message him or not.

[Joanne McNally]

Oh wait.

[Joe]

Oh no. There was just one problem. I'm Married with three children. Joe, I asked you not to put this in. I've been married for 15 years, but the spark went out of our marriage a long time ago. Oh. My husband has not had any interest in me for years. That's odd. So when someone picked me out of a virtual crowd, saying he wanted to get to know each other better, it did. It lit something inside me that I haven't felt in such a long time. So the next day, I decided to message him. I had all the excitement of waiting for the messages to come and I felt like it was the first flushes of romance again. I'd forgotten what it felt like to be made feel special.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah.

[Joe]

But after a few messages back and forth, forth, it turned out that it was all a ploy. Ah. To get me to buy into his cryptocurrency business. What is? No crypto. It's not like I would have kept it going or that I would have gone anywhere. I've no intention of breaking up my family. But it just made me so sad that actually I was not special. You are special.

[Vogue Williams]

You. Yeah.

[Joe]

And I probably won't feel that excitement or be made to feel special to someone like that again in this lifetime. And that just makes me so sad. No, no. That makes me so sad when she says that.

[Vogue Williams]

That's not true. Do you know what this just says to me? That you have that. So, firstly, your marriage is dead. Look, I'm not a married person and I know people stay in marriages that aren't necessarily thriving, but if there's nothing going on with you, what this says to me is that there is life in the old dog yet, as they say, and that you have the capability to fall mad about and to have all the butterflies and the fanny flutters and all that stuff. So go out and find another one. Leave your husband and find another one. You don't need to get that. You don't need that. Tick tock. Crypto, dude, it just means that you have that in you.

[Joe]

And if anyone's into crypto, God, I mean, come on, run a mile. No bloody thanks. You'll be selling a banana for £5 million soon enough.

[Vogue Williams]

Stick that in the list to learn with the periods. What? What is.

[Joe]

No, I'm not. We're not even going to bother learning about that. Today it's all about bitcoin. And next week on the main episode, we're going to cover crypto. That makes me really sad that you feel like that. But I understand that you don't want to break up your family. But also, you need to remember that you are special and you deserve to be made to feel special. And I think that a big, long conversation, really honest with your husband would be helpful. I don't know if you've done that before, but before, like, I just think that.

[Vogue Williams]

Sorry, you should probably speak to your husband first. Leave him. Leave him now. Say nothing. Pick up the kids, out the door. Block them. Sorry. Yeah. Communication first.

[Joe]

Always communication. Yeah, a bit of communication. But you shouldn't be made to feel like that. Like, you should feel happy. Like, I'm not saying that in marriage, you're gonna be made feel special every single day. Like, Spenny and I are buying each other a bike for Valentine's this year, which just feels really sad. I'd love.

[Vogue Williams]

I. I was only thinking the other day, I'm gonna. I might buy myself a bike.

[Joe]

Do you want to go bike shopping? I don't even know where to start, but we go bike shopping.

[Vogue Williams]

I'd love to go bike sh. Happen when? Maybe when you come back from.

[Joe]

When I'm come back. I'm going bike shopping.

[Vogue Williams]

Anyway, Sorry. This woman's marriage.

[Joe]

She can come bike shopping, too, if she would, like.

[Vogue Williams]

Feel free.

[Joe]

I'll buy a bike. Do you want to go. I'll buy you a bike as part.

[Vogue Williams]

Of your new life. But the. It's. This man came into your DMs, right? So he actively pursued you. But imagine you are actually out in the world looking for. Your light was on. Your light's probably not on at the moment. Imagine. You kind of imagine your husband just amicably said, look, not working. And then you went set up your own life and went on Hinge and Tinder and met some lovely men and had lovely dates and stuff. You. Honestly, there is. It's. We've said it before and it's kind of infuriating, but the lift in your life, it gives you when you have a crush or when someone's fancies you or you fancy them back. It's just a little game changer. It's so nice. And you know why? Why shouldn't she have it? Have it.

[Joe]

I know, but also, by the way, just because he was trying to sell you crypto doesn't mean he didn't think you were right. Because he obviously spotted you and thought, she's hot. And then maile you. But what I would say.

[Vogue Williams]

And rich. Which, I mean is, yeah, really great compliments.

[Joe]

Yeah, I know, but imagine. Listen, you've saved yourself a lot of hassle. Imagine having to listen to him Talk shite about crypto for no, thanks.

[Vogue Williams]

Do you know what's interesting? You know, kind of online romance scams that they say that the experience for men and women is so different. So men's romance scams are hot. Woman adds them, she says, show me a picture of your dick. He sends it to her, and then that person reveals himself to be some lad working on the dark web and he blackmails that person. Whereas female, Roman, female focused romance scams, they lure them into thinking that they're in love with them. So you heard about your one in Ireland who thought she was in a relationship with Chris Martin from Cobra?

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Vogue Williams]

And so it's a much longer game and they give over loads of money, so there's more kind of a connection involved in us. So that's probably what this guy was doing. But he's irrelevant. The point is he lit something in you. This. There's something to be lit inside. You let someone else light us.

[Joe]

Yeah, but. Yeah, but I would say, first of all, we would say speak to your husband about it. Maybe he hasn't got a bloody clue what's going on.

[Vogue Williams]

Men are not as clued emotionally at times, sometimes allegedly. Joe checks what we can say. That. Is that okay, Joe?

[Joanne McNally]

I think it's all fine as long as you just say you're not experts.

[Vogue Williams]

Not all men, Not.

[Joe]

Not all of you, but most of you at times.

[Vogue Williams]

Not clued in emotionally at times. That can be allegedly.

[Joe]

Yeah, that's it. I think I've had a lovely day.

[Vogue Williams]

She's leaving them.

[Joe]

No, Joanne, do let us know what happens. Go talk to your husband and actually, we would love to know what happens.

[Vogue Williams]

This is my marriage. I mean, it's. It just the. The difficulty in getting out of one is what would stop me going into one.

[Joe]

It'd be hard, I suppose, if you have kids, but, like, it wasn't. I didn't mind getting out of one. It's.

[Vogue Williams]

It's the kids is the problem. Yeah, best of luck with whatever happens and block that crypto, ladies. That's no. That's no.

[Joe]

Sam.