MTGM EXTRA! "I'd sell my story."

Summary

Podcast Summary: My Therapist Ghosted Me – MTGM EXTRA! "I'd sell my story."

Hosts: Vogue Williams & Joanne McNally
Release Date: October 8, 2025
Duration: ~21 minutes

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Overview

This bonus episode of My Therapist Ghosted Me features Vogue Williams and Joanne McNally catching up with their typical blend of candor, wit, and unfiltered honesty. The conversation covers milestone birthdays, the privilege and anxieties of aging, sleep habits, celebrity gossip (with a focus on Taylor Swift and the Riyadh Comedy Festival), and the messy power dynamics in both personal and celebrity relationships. The duo also joke about what would happen if their partnership ended, before giving listeners the lowdown on upcoming tour dates and reflecting on female competitiveness in the entertainment industry.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Turning 40 & Reflections on Aging (00:19–03:15)

• Vogue celebrates her 40th birthday, contrasting her current stable, happy life with her tumultuous 30th: divorce, career struggles, and “moving back with the parents.”
  • "I'm thrilled. I'm happy to be 40, ...when I was 30... my life was in probably the worst state it was ever in." (00:24–00:55)
• Joanne reflects on the privilege of getting older:
  • "Aging is a privilege. You know, a lot of people don't make it to their 40s." (01:08)
• They touch on mortality, with Joanne jokingly suggesting a “death doula” for Vogue.
  • "We're gonna get you a death doula so you can start dealing with this phobia of death." (01:30)
• Both share slightly morbid but humorous coping mechanisms about death—Joanne prefers not to think about it, says she just “kicks it down the road” (01:45).

2. Dogs, Heaven, and Reincarnation (02:12–04:40)

• Vogue shares a touching anecdote about dogs reuniting with owners in heaven, making everyone emotional.
  • "Someone sent me a thing about dogs, and dogs go to this field in heaven...one dog just goes and looks up and just bolts off...he's ran to his owner." (02:12–02:40)
• The conversation segues into reincarnation from Dr. Brian White’s book, with Vogue suggesting maybe she and Joanne were related in a past life:
  • "Souls all stick together. So we all come back as something to each other. I don't care what anyone thinks. That's what I'm believing." (03:26)

3. Sleep Marathons & Menopause Myths (05:14–07:43)

• Joanne boasts about her epic “16.5-hour” sleep, which Vogue finds both impressive and suspicious.
  • "I had a day off...the day after the night out I slept for estimated to be 16 and a half hours. No unaided. Oh natural. No melatonin, nothing." (05:28–06:00)
• Discussion about how online followers blamed perimenopause for Joanne’s sleep, igniting a playful rant.
  • "There was a lot of accusations. 'Oh, that's the perimenopause.' ...It's not. It's just because I'm working days and nights and I'm absolutely wrecked." (06:11)
• Vogue compares her own sleep struggles, saying she can't even hit 10 hours, while Joanne is “part cyborg, part AI” (07:31).

4. Podcast & Friendship Breakup Jokes (07:43–08:34)

• Joanne and Vogue riff on their “terrible reputation” for announcing breaks, joking about what would happen if they broke up:
  • Joanne: "If we broke up, we'd do an expose, wouldn't we?" (07:57)
  • Vogue: "I'd go to the Sun and it would be a war of words." (08:03)
  • Joe: "I'll tell you, I will do an exclusive tell-all podcast with both of you. I'll produce both of you." (08:06)

5. Comedy Tours, Dubai Shows, and Performing in Saudi Arabia (08:34–11:58)

• Discussion about Joanne’s stand-up shows (Stockton, Chester, Salford, Dubai).
• Debate over comics accepting high-paying offers to perform in Saudi Arabia despite its human rights record:
  • Joanne: "If I'm getting six figures, what are the Chappelles and the Jimmy Carrs getting? Millions." (09:30)
  • Joanne details the “Riyadh Comedy Festival”—the world’s biggest comedy festival funded by the Saudi government, with a notorious human rights reputation.
  • Critique of comedians (Jim Jefferies, Pete Davidson) accepting such gigs and making insensitive jokes about oppressive regimes:
    • "If you're going out to do it, just be honest with yourself...But don't start making jokes about women and stuff—don't make jokes around it." (10:01, Vogue)
    • "They're offering life-changing money...I do understand the market conundrum that comes with that." (10:27, Joanne)
    • "Jim Jefferies has always been like that. He's a bit of a shock jock." (12:00, Joanne)

6. Taylor Swift’s New Album, Gossip, and Pop Star Feuds (12:00–17:11)

• Swift's unmatched work ethic and non-stop output is highlighted.
  • Vogue: "I mean when did this happen? I have to admire her, I really do." (12:44)
  • Joanne: "Her work ethic is off the charts." (13:05)
• Talk turns to speculation about diss tracks and celebrity rivalries—especially between Taylor Swift and Charli XCX.
  • Joanne recounts decoding the lyrics of Swift’s new song, which appears to clap back at “Boring Barbie” and references being ghosted:
    • Joanne: "Taylor's lyrics are: 'I heard you call me Boring Barbie when the Coke's got you brave. ...You said you're glad he ghosted me and you say it makes you sick to see my face.'" (15:11–15:51)
  • Discussion on the appeal and absurdity of decoding pop lyrics for hidden messages; Vogue draws parallels with her own experience with baseless decoding in the press.

7. Celebrity Power Dynamics & Toxic Masculinity (17:11–19:53)

• The hosts discuss rumors about One Direction's misogynistic behind-the-scenes competitions and toxic masculinity in entertainment.
  • Vogue: "All the boys had this competition to try and get a girl to sleep with them without even saying a single word." (17:31)
  • Joanne reflects on the intoxicating, uneven power dynamic between celebrities and 'normal' people:
    • "Any man with power like that, they always...women just become so disposable." (18:39)
    • "I was around an A-list person once and it is intoxicating...they can have anything they want at any time of day or night." (19:06)
• Vogue shares an anecdote about an Irish sports team “hit list” for models, revealing how objectification colored her own modeling career.

8. Chemistry Onstage and Playful Banter (19:53–20:27)

• Reflection on the magnetic appeal of performers:
  • Vogue: "When I see you on stage, I say, if I could have that girl, I would have her in two seconds!" (19:37)
• The duo riff on audience reactions, contrasting men’s and women’s responses to female comedians’ stage presence.
  • Joanne: "The men come to the show and they leave going, 'What a nightmare! ...I wouldn't touch off that if she was...'" (19:53)

9. Sign-off and Running Gags (20:27–21:10)

• Playful speculation about Joanne defecting to Saudi Arabia for the money (“imagining her posting about her first class flight with a Saudi prince”—20:31).
• Promise to return after a two-week break, some mock sadness about missing each other, and the now-familiar self-deprecation about their professional reputation.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On turning 40 and past struggles:
  • "I'm glad to be a decade on and more and more sorted." (00:58, Vogue)
• On death and denial:
  • "I deal with death the way I deal with most things in my life. I don't think about it." (01:41, Joanne)
• On the allure of power:
  • "Any man with power like that...women just become so disposable to them." (18:39, Joanne)
• On female competitiveness in the music industry:
  • "This is female scrapping. You have to decode this. We're more passive aggressive. The lads just have it out." (14:51, Joanne)
• On Taylor Swift’s work ethic:
  • "Her work ethic is off the charts." (13:05, Joanne)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:19–03:15: Turning 40, mortality, and past struggles
• 02:12–04:40: Dogs in heaven, reincarnation, and past lives
• 05:14–07:43: Epic sleep marathons, perimenopause banter
• 07:43–08:34: Friendship breakup jokes and “tell-all” podcast gag
• 08:34–11:58: Stand-up tours, Dubai shows, Saudi Arabia’s comedy fest and its ethics
• 12:00–17:11: Taylor Swift, gossip, pop culture feuds, decoding lyrics
• 17:11–19:53: Toxic masculinity, power dynamics, modeling anecdotes
• 19:53–20:27: Chemistry onstage, audience gender differences
• 20:27–21:10: Sign-off, two-week break, and one more jab at influencer scandals

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Tone & Language

The conversation unfolds with signature Irish wit, sarcasm, and playful honesty. Both Vogue and Joanne balance genuine reflections with relentless self-deprecation, stream-of-consciousness commentary, and irreverence. The banter is fast-paced, with plenty of interruptions, asides, and improvisational comedy—a mix of sincere confessionals and biting satire.

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Transcript

[Joanne McNally]

This is a Global Player original podcast.

[Vogue Williams]

Hello and welcome to the bonus episode of My Therapist Ghosted Me with me, Vogue Williams and Johan McNally.

[Joanne McNally]

Hiya.

[Vogue Williams]

Hi.

[Joanne McNally]

Is there's your big 40 year old head. Congratulations.

[Vogue Williams]

What you do. I'm thrilled. I'm happy to be 40, I think, I think it's a nice place to be because I like when I was 30, you see, I was getting divorced and like everything was falling apart and my life was in probably the worst state it was ever in. I think I was moving back in my parents and everything and work wasn't really going as well as it was. Obviously I was getting divorced and humiliated by that and I just think anything's better than that.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, right. Yeah.

[Vogue Williams]

I'm glad to be a decade on and. And more and more sorted.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, and you are sorted. I think it's very much depends on where you are in your life and where you are in your head with yourself. And you're in a very good place. That's why you're very blessed. We're very privileged. We're very lucky. Aging is a privilege. You know, a lot of people don't make it to their 40s. It's a depressing start to the podcast. But that's the truth.

[Vogue Williams]

I did, I was thinking about that. I was like, God, some people just don't get here.

[Joanne McNally]

I know.

[Vogue Williams]

Then I thought to my. Because I was like it, I'll double down on depressing myself. I was like, oh no, now I'm halfway through my life. And then that started to make me sad.

[Joanne McNally]

We're gonna get, we're gonna get you a death doula so you can, so you can start dealing with this phobia of death.

[Vogue Williams]

How do you. I do not have a phobia about it at all.

[Joanne McNally]

I deal with death the way I deal with most things in my life. I don't think about it.

[Vogue Williams]

You just kick it down the road.

[Joanne McNally]

Just don't think about my. I go, I go. I can either. I kind of zoom out and I'm like the. What it means in the world and how irrelevant we all are really and the philosophy of it and everyone dies and then in a couple years time, everyone who cares that you're dead, no one will care that they're dead. And it rolls on and rolls on and rolls on and then I just don't think about it. And then I drink.

[Vogue Williams]

Well, I. Ta da.

[Joanne McNally]

I'm very well adjusted is the truth of it.

[Vogue Williams]

I was thinking about it, right. And I actually had a nice feeling about death. The other day. I'm not going to talk about Winston all the time, by the way. I'm going to keep it, like, within myself, because I. Other people would be like enough. But someone sent me a thing about dogs, and dogs go to this field in heaven, right? And they're all just delighted with themselves and they're all playing with each other, and all of a sudden, one dog just goes and looks up and just bolts off. And the other dogs are like, where has he gone? And he's ran to his owner.

[Joanne McNally]

Oh, my God, that is so cute.

[Vogue Williams]

I know. So that made me be like, oh, God, it won't be so bad. Well, I love dogs all over me.

[Joanne McNally]

Well, not according to the Rapture people. I'm not going to go down the Rapture hole again. But they were saying bye for kids. So we're all going to be fenced off, apparently, when we get up there into different areas.

[Vogue Williams]

That's not true. I read this book, right. I've spoken about it for Dr. Brian White. We all souls. So, like, I could be your mom in the next life, Joanne. Or you could be my ba. Like, well, you could be my baby, or you could be my husband. So All Souls and Joe.

[Joanne McNally]

Sexy. Yeah.

[Vogue Williams]

That's the most I'm expecting.

[Joanne McNally]

I am the man in the relationship. Physically, you do tick all those boxes, but mentally, it's me.

[Vogue Williams]

I would say I have been your husband in a previous life, because souls all stick together. So we all come back as something to each other. I don't care what anyone thinks. That's what I'm believing.

[Joanne McNally]

Joe was the family dog. What do we say?

[Joe]

Yeah, it's gonna be an animal, isn't it? A hamster or something.

[Vogue Williams]

I do remember him running towards me with the hair.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah. The Labradoodle bouncing towards us in the park on a Saturday morning. If I took a stick for you now, Joe, would memory kind of kick in? Would you run for it?

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, he'd definitely go first.

[Joe]

When I see them on the floor, I am possessed with the need to sort of pick them up and take them home. I don't know why.

[Joanne McNally]

See, Joe, you know those dogs with the sticks that are too big to get in the door and they can't figure out how to take it in lengthways?

[Vogue Williams]

It's just buying a dog. It's always a Labrador, like Joe trapped in Labrador.

[Joanne McNally]

You got ads to record, for God's sake.

[Joe]

That's why I couldn't come to Wimbledon, because I would have just run on and chased the ball.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah. Responsive to Whistles. Have you noticed that folk.

[Vogue Williams]

I found. He doesn't like them actually. He carries away. Doesn't like the tin whistle either. Or the recorder. I can't bear it.

[Joanne McNally]

Oh, Joe. We love you, Joe. You'd have been a human. You'd been our brother.

[Joe]

Oh, thanks.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, that's nice, isn't it? Yeah.

[Joanne McNally]

That's what people call their dogs sometimes.

[Vogue Williams]

My brother. Do they? Yeah, I call it my child. My little babies.

[Joanne McNally]

Anyway, it's a death dueler for you. Vogue. And congratulations on. Welcome to my box.

[Vogue Williams]

The 40 box. Yeah, someone I got invited to my first over 40s event. Oh, you've been nominated just for women over 40. And I was like, excuse.

[Joanne McNally]

And I was like, oh no, that's not for you. That's women. That's for women in their late 40s, early 50s, into their 70s.

[Vogue Williams]

No, no, no, no, no, NO. It's for 40 and above. And then yesterday I got a message about the menopause for.

[Joanne McNally]

Listen, don't even talk to me. I can't.

[Vogue Williams]

Menopause.

[Joanne McNally]

I did a story yesterday. So I. I had a day off yesterday and it's been fairly. Work has been fairly fr.

[Vogue Williams]

I'm so glad you're bringing this up because I spoke to Spencer about this and I was like, how did she do it? But I have something to ask. Go on, tell everyone what you did.

[Joanne McNally]

So I had a big chunk of work, so I take it in chunks. Okay. And then I. I get myself through and remember I was on my little sober train and everything cuz I had to get that chunk of work done. Anyway, when that chunk of work finished, I had a night out.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah.

[Joanne McNally]

Nothing mental. And then I had a day off. The day after the night out I slapped four. I estimated to be 16 and a half hours. No unaided. Oh, natural. No melatonin, nothing. Obviously I was talking about the Instagram because that's what we do. And Vogue. You've given me an interest in sleep now. Thank you very much about this for added. For making me incredibly boring on the Internet. Because now I like talk about sleeping and dreams.

[Vogue Williams]

How many emails did you get about that? So many.

[Joanne McNally]

I'd say loads. Yeah, but a lot of them. Some of them. Sorry, I'm making a mountain out of a molehill here. There was a lot of accusations. Oh, that's the perimenopause. That's the perimenopause. That's pre. Menopause. It's not. It's just because I'm working days and nights and I'm Absolutely wrecked. But in a great way, Todd, is that I'm sad.

[Vogue Williams]

No, Todd Tier. Sha Tier's tired. Ah, the tiredness of the world is on me. Yeah.

[Joanne McNally]

God, we're so poetic.

[Vogue Williams]

I don't have a clue.

[Joanne McNally]

Isn't it, isn't it gorgeous?

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah. I just, I do find that fascinating. Like the longest I could sleep and this is what I do every time I'm hungover and I could just, I, I could be coming off the back of a seven hour hangover sleep and then I wake up and I've, I've had drinks the night before. Not even feeling that bad can go about my day. But I will be in bed at 7 o' clock and I'll get 9 and a half to 10 hours sleep and that is the longest sleep my body will ever let me have. So the fact that you could do. Yeah, 16 and a half unaided is like.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah.

[Vogue Williams]

That should go into a. What's as anyone's ever slept that must be up there.

[Joanne McNally]

Well, there was toy sleep.

[Joe]

It's two nights sleep.

[Joanne McNally]

It's two nights sleep. Yeah, there was toilet breaks but like you know, kind of feeling your way through the dark like I didn't wake, I, I didn't turn a light on or anything like that. But there was obviously toilet breaks.

[Vogue Williams]

What about the food? No food breaks. 16 hours.

[Joanne McNally]

I didn't. Well, I suppose I didn't even wake up hungry.

[Vogue Williams]

That is your body is just. I'll never understand this. I will never under. Your body isn't your body's AI or something. There's something not right.

[Joanne McNally]

We're off for two weeks.

[Vogue Williams]

We are well done for remembering we.

[Joanne McNally]

Have a terrible reputation for. I actually was mentioned and it's quite embarrassing but in that.

[Vogue Williams]

Well, everyone just thinks we've broken up.

[Joanne McNally]

If we broke up, we'd do an expose, wouldn't we?

[Vogue Williams]

Oh God. If we broke up, I'd be going.

[Joanne McNally]

I'd sell my story, Daily Mail, I'd.

[Vogue Williams]

Go to the sun and it would be a war of words.

[Joe]

I'll tell you, I will do an exclusive tell all podcast with both of you. I'll produce both of you.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Vogue Williams]

Perfect.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah. You know those. It's a real American trait when podcasters fall out and then they do kind of a here's what actually happened and then they just throw each other down this morning of a bin bag in the States there. I feel like they're just so content crazy that anything like they go real personal with their stuff.

[Vogue Williams]

So where are you going to be for the next two weeks. Everyone can find on Joanne McNally.com I'm going all over.

[Joanne McNally]

I'm going to Stockton on Tees and Chester and Salford. But I'm. Dubai is. I'm doing two shows in Dubai and there's still tickets for the earlier show. Later show.

[Vogue Williams]

There's tickets for the later show.

[Joanne McNally]

I think I remember on October 7th. Yeah, I think it's tickets for the later show. The last time we went to Dubai and Garage came out with me and Garod's a gay man and a gay man messaged me and he's like, I'm disgusted you're going to Dubai, blah, blah, blah. And I was like, there's a huge gay scene in Dubai who deserve acts and performers to come out as well. Like, have you seen about this festival in Riyadh, Joe?

[Joe]

I have, yeah. Because everyone's going. You're not going, are you?

[Joanne McNally]

I know I'm not going, but I was asked to go. She was asked to go and I turned it down. And it's like. And look, I was never going to go. But when it's. It was a six figure offer to go and I was never. I was ne. It's big money and if I'm getting six figures, what are the Chappelles and the Jimmy car?

[Vogue Williams]

I'd say, like, I'd say they're getting millions, but I just.

[Joanne McNally]

Millions. For anyone who doesn't know, there's the Riyadh Comedies Festival. Riyadh is the capital of Saudi Arabia and they've put on what they're claiming to be is the biggest comedy festival in the world. And it's all funded by the government, of course. And Saudi Arabia has the worst human rights track record in all the track records of human time. Probably even worse than like medieval England kind of vibes. And they're still like executing women and you know, having public hangings and all that jazz.

[Vogue Williams]

If you're going to do it. I don't find some of the. And I know they're comedians and people, some people probably find it funny. I don't find some of the jokes that the comedians going out are saying about in defense of why they're going. I just don't find them funny. I just think it's, it's off the mark. If you're going out to do it just to be honest with yourself and be like, yes, I am going out to do it and that's just the way it is. But don't start making jokes about that, like, about women and, and stuff. Like that, that the problem, the problems out there are. Don't make jokes around it.

[Joanne McNally]

I do. Like they're offering life changing money to comics and comics notoriously have times where they don't make any money. If you are trying to feed your family, I can understand the moral conundrum if as a comic you're offered a six figure sum for like a one day's work. I do understand the market conundrum that comes with that. But a lot of the comics, they're, they're, you know, they, they're not faced with that m conundrum because they have tons and tons of cash. Pete Davidson is out in Riyadh and he, in fairness to him, was very honest about it because he said people are. Because Americans are kind of saying, how can, how can American comics go out and take money off what they. Of a culture that they think financed 9 11? Basically, yeah. And particularly as Pete Davidson's father died in 9 11, they're like, how can you do this? And he's like, I see the flight number and I see the cost of the gig and I say yes. He's like, it's it. I'm money motivated. It's about the thing.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah. If he, at least he came out and said that. But some of them, the jokes were just so off the mark.

[Joanne McNally]

Jim Jeffries.

[Vogue Williams]

Jim Jeffries. It just, it's just like, oh God. It just wasn't like you're talking about somebody that's been executed. Like, it's not, it's just not funny.

[Joanne McNally]

He was talking about the journalist who was executed by the Saudi government. Do you remember your man who went into the Saudi embassy and came out in a suitcase?

[Vogue Williams]

I was shocking. That was absolutely. There's, there's a documentary on that that I watched. It was absolutely terrifying. But like if you're going out. But then you know what, he said that and then he, and then his name was suddenly off the bill. So I'd say that, I'd say that maybe, I don't know.

[Joanne McNally]

I don't know.

[Vogue Williams]

Off the bill.

[Joanne McNally]

I don't know whether he would. There's no way he did. So who knows? I say he got such. But Jim Jeffries has always been like that. He's a bit of a shock jock. He kind of, he's always been, he says all the wrong stuff and you know, that's kind of how he rolls. Taylor Swift's new album. I can't use the term dropped. It's, it's, it's, it's too Gen Z for Me is out.

[Vogue Williams]

How is it? How like I don't understand this woman that is like how long does she sleep for? Because didn't she just. She just had a tour where she was touring an album. So is this another album that then now she'll then go and tour again.

[Joanne McNally]

It's.

[Vogue Williams]

I mean when did this happen? I have to admire her, I really do. I think she has.

[Joanne McNally]

She is cray cray.

[Vogue Williams]

I don't love her music now and please don't go for me over that. But it's just not the kind of music I listen to. But I do think she is. To be able to go, even to go and put on a three hour show like she does is absolutely wild.

[Joanne McNally]

She's exceptional. And I have to say I do like her music. I admire. We all admire her. How could you not? Yeah, I mean I'm taking the piss about my work ethic. Her work ethic is off the charts.

[Vogue Williams]

And I feel like she's just got all her together. She's always like I see her pictured down for dinners so I feel like she's got also got a good balance. Maybe I'm wrong because you know when you just see people's lives that you know nothing about and I'm sure she just is really busy up the walls all the time and pretty stressed like the rest of us.

[Joanne McNally]

The album has landed to great applause. Obviously. Everything she does is to great applause. She. I don't know. She wrote this on the. In the fucking bath. I don't know how she pulled this off.

[Vogue Williams]

I heard she got the flu and she just wrote it during that time.

[Joanne McNally]

When she was in bed on her downtime. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. She wrote in her sleep her eyes just tipping off her lashes little pencils in her eyes. Taylor Swift's actually romantic. There's a song called Actually Romantic Lyrics. Is it all about Charlie xcx. So the great thing about Taylor is her songs are kind of like diary entries to catchy music. So it's very much about her life and she very much minds her own personal experience. And if someone pisses her. If someone pisses Taylor off, we know about it and they go into the song and then the Internet spends years and years trying to decode. And I think that's where it's all very Da Vinci Code. Like it's like Sudoku. Musical Sudoku. People are always trying to figure out what she actually means, which is kind of half the crack of it, but apparently.

[Vogue Williams]

So what's, what's the problem with Charlie xcx? And I didn't even know that they were. Are they friends or not friends?

[Joanne McNally]

Well, you see, because this isn't our world. We. We don't know the insides and the outsides. But O, of course there are jealousies and competitiveness and all that going on in their industry, the same as there is in all other industries.

[Vogue Williams]

This is way more crack than Liam and Noel, by the way. I'd way rather hear about this Goss.

[Joanne McNally]

Well, theirs is too. Theirs is so obvious. Whereas this is.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah.

[Joanne McNally]

Liam and O.

[Vogue Williams]

This is. Yeah, okay.

[Joanne McNally]

This is. This is female scrapping. You have to decode this. We're more passive aggressive. The lads just have it out. We're more passive aggressive.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah.

[Joanne McNally]

You know. Hi, yeah. Kiss. Kiss. What a. Yeah. Yeah, that's our.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh my God, I love your new album. Shite.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Vogue Williams]

So what is it then?

[Joanne McNally]

Charlie XCX wrote a song called Sympathy is a Knife and they think it could be about Taylor Swift.

[Vogue Williams]

Right.

[Joanne McNally]

So we think this song coming back is her reply to that. So with Taylor's lyrics are. I heard you call me Boring Barbie when the Cokes got you brave. And you said you're. And to her and to one of. Yeah, I know. It's a good line, isn't it?

[Vogue Williams]

Boring Barbie.

[Joe]

Libelous. A little bit.

[Joanne McNally]

Well, only if we know who it's about. Joe. Which we don't.

[Joe]

Which we don't, do we?

[Joanne McNally]

No.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh no.

[Joanne McNally]

And the next line is. You said you're glad he ghosted me and you say it makes you sick to see my face.

[Vogue Williams]

God, I wouldn't want to off Taylor Swift. But in fairness, if that's all true, I'd be pretty annoyed as well. I. I too would write a song about it. I find these decoding things just so stupid though. Sometimes. Sometimes it actually just. I watched this thing about myself the other day. Not trying to like, it was completely shite. I mean, it's nothing along those lines. But I was like, that is someone trying to decode something that was written about us. And I was like, that is just so mental that someone is going to sit there and try and decode something that's not even fucking true. And it's just. I find it so fascinating and ridiculous that somebody would waste their time.

[Joanne McNally]

That's like how conspiracy theories are. People want the inside scoop. People don't want to accept things at face value. But. But ultimately in. In it, with all due respect, Taylor is intentionally doing this.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, she does that with every album, doesn't she? She did it with Harry Styles as well.

[Joanne McNally]

While speculation continues about possible targets, Swift herself has not confirmed any names, but they know the person is British for some reason. I don't know why. They're obviously in the lyrics. The track includes lines such as, at least you know exactly who your friends are. They're the ones with matching scars. They stood by me before my exoneration. They believed I was innocent. I don't know. Anyway, obviously today I will do a little bit of a deep dive on this and see and get to the bottom of it. But you have to remember, we just assume that all these people are mates. They're no more mates than the rest of us.

[Vogue Williams]

She does, she does write about a lot of people. I loved when she was doing all that stuff about Harry Styles. And then I read this yesterday. Again, this is me whinging about decoding stuff and then also me getting involved in it because you can't help it. I read this article that this girl who used to work on an airline, a private jet, airline, basically, we used to fly in Australia, used to fly One Direction around. And she said that one of the. All the boys had this competition to try and get a girl to sleep with them without even saying a single word. Person. And one of the. And one of them did. And I'm like, oh, my God, that's so bad.

[Joanne McNally]

That's such a misogynist power playing. I hate that. Do you know? And again, I can't mention names, but there was a very famous male actor and I know for his 50th, his friends booked him a female comic who I know to perform at his 50th birthday as an inside joke. Because he, like, kind of doesn't like female comics. Yeah, he always goes on by him, which he doesn't think women are funny and he hates female comics. They did, they booked this female comic who. She's. She's excellent at her job as a, like, inside joke to annoy him. I know. That's why when those One Direction things, I'm like, whether it's true, I. I hope. Well, it probably is true, to be honest. Let's face it.

[Vogue Williams]

I. I don't know. I. I don't. I just. I don't. I.

[Joanne McNally]

Toxic.

[Vogue Williams]

Maybe it is true, but I just. I just don't think that they would be like that. But I. Oh, I'd really hope that they wouldn't.

[Joanne McNally]

Any man with power like that, they always. Women just become so disposable to them.

[Vogue Williams]

When I used to model in Ireland, now I don't know if this is true or not. But someone told me that the. There was a sports team that used to have like a hit list of like the models that people had to try and get in Ireland. And I was just like, oh God. And that literally made me be like, I will never ever score.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah.

[Vogue Williams]

Any of them ever. Because I just think that's. You don't want to be treated like a piece of meat. It's just grim.

[Joanne McNally]

I know. And because there is this like uneven power play between like regular female women and male celebrity and. Yeah, and it's the same with female celebrity and regular men. It's an uneven power dynamic. So people end up kind of throwing themselves at those Hollywood A lister kind of vibes. Not all of them, but like, you know, it's intoxicating being around. I was around an A list person once and it is intoxicating. They can, you can tell they're like. This person can have anything they want at any time of the day or night. And I'm attracted to it. It's hot.

[Vogue Williams]

Also, I think people when they're on stage and like when they're. When you see their talent and stuff like that, you kind of are drawn to it a little bit more. It's just like a natural, like you want. When I see you on stage, I say, if I could have that girl, I would have her in two seconds. Plot just kind of what happens when someone on stage.

[Joanne McNally]

But that's cuz you're. That's cuz you're a woman. The men come to the show and they leave going, what a nightmare. Yeah, I wouldn't touch off that if she was.

[Vogue Williams]

I leave going, oh God, how am I going to tell her I have feelings for her?

[Joanne McNally]

Like I can't look her in the eye.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, Vogue. Are you not coming backstage? No, I actually had to. I had to get home for the kids trying to come.

[Joanne McNally]

Put your pants back on, please. This is an industry drinks event.

[Vogue Williams]

That's it for two weeks. We're gone.

[Joanne McNally]

I'm off to Riyadh.

[Vogue Williams]

Imagine, imagine this went out and then Joanne's just posting about her first class flight.

[Joe]

Had a change of heart, guys.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, with the Saudi prince.

[Vogue Williams]

Sorry, just. Just turning off the comments. So funny.

[Joanne McNally]

Comments disabled, everyone.

[Vogue Williams]

We will miss you. We will miss you a lot. But we're gonna see you. I'll miss you too.

[Joanne McNally]

But I.

[Vogue Williams]

Well, I won't really because I'll see you all the time. Anyway, see you next week is the.

[Joanne McNally]

24Th of October, Friday, 24th of October.

[Vogue Williams]

This has been a global player.

[Joanne McNally]

Original production.