Podcast Summary: My Therapist Ghosted Me – MTGM EXTRA! "I'd sell my story."

Hosts: Vogue Williams & Joanne McNally
Release Date: October 8, 2025
Duration: ~21 minutes

Overview

This bonus episode of My Therapist Ghosted Me features Vogue Williams and Joanne McNally catching up with their typical blend of candor, wit, and unfiltered honesty. The conversation covers milestone birthdays, the privilege and anxieties of aging, sleep habits, celebrity gossip (with a focus on Taylor Swift and the Riyadh Comedy Festival), and the messy power dynamics in both personal and celebrity relationships. The duo also joke about what would happen if their partnership ended, before giving listeners the lowdown on upcoming tour dates and reflecting on female competitiveness in the entertainment industry.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Turning 40 & Reflections on Aging (00:19–03:15)

• Vogue celebrates her 40th birthday, contrasting her current stable, happy life with her tumultuous 30th: divorce, career struggles, and “moving back with the parents.”
  • "I'm thrilled. I'm happy to be 40, ...when I was 30... my life was in probably the worst state it was ever in." (00:24–00:55)
• Joanne reflects on the privilege of getting older:
  • "Aging is a privilege. You know, a lot of people don't make it to their 40s." (01:08)
• They touch on mortality, with Joanne jokingly suggesting a “death doula” for Vogue.
  • "We're gonna get you a death doula so you can start dealing with this phobia of death." (01:30)
• Both share slightly morbid but humorous coping mechanisms about death—Joanne prefers not to think about it, says she just “kicks it down the road” (01:45).

2. Dogs, Heaven, and Reincarnation (02:12–04:40)

• Vogue shares a touching anecdote about dogs reuniting with owners in heaven, making everyone emotional.
  • "Someone sent me a thing about dogs, and dogs go to this field in heaven...one dog just goes and looks up and just bolts off...he's ran to his owner." (02:12–02:40)
• The conversation segues into reincarnation from Dr. Brian White’s book, with Vogue suggesting maybe she and Joanne were related in a past life:
  • "Souls all stick together. So we all come back as something to each other. I don't care what anyone thinks. That's what I'm believing." (03:26)

3. Sleep Marathons & Menopause Myths (05:14–07:43)

• Joanne boasts about her epic “16.5-hour” sleep, which Vogue finds both impressive and suspicious.
  • "I had a day off...the day after the night out I slept for estimated to be 16 and a half hours. No unaided. Oh natural. No melatonin, nothing." (05:28–06:00)
• Discussion about how online followers blamed perimenopause for Joanne’s sleep, igniting a playful rant.
  • "There was a lot of accusations. 'Oh, that's the perimenopause.' ...It's not. It's just because I'm working days and nights and I'm absolutely wrecked." (06:11)
• Vogue compares her own sleep struggles, saying she can't even hit 10 hours, while Joanne is “part cyborg, part AI” (07:31).

4. Podcast & Friendship Breakup Jokes (07:43–08:34)

• Joanne and Vogue riff on their “terrible reputation” for announcing breaks, joking about what would happen if they broke up:
  • Joanne: "If we broke up, we'd do an expose, wouldn't we?" (07:57)
  • Vogue: "I'd go to the Sun and it would be a war of words." (08:03)
  • Joe: "I'll tell you, I will do an exclusive tell-all podcast with both of you. I'll produce both of you." (08:06)

5. Comedy Tours, Dubai Shows, and Performing in Saudi Arabia (08:34–11:58)

• Discussion about Joanne’s stand-up shows (Stockton, Chester, Salford, Dubai).
• Debate over comics accepting high-paying offers to perform in Saudi Arabia despite its human rights record:
  • Joanne: "If I'm getting six figures, what are the Chappelles and the Jimmy Carrs getting? Millions." (09:30)
  • Joanne details the “Riyadh Comedy Festival”—the world’s biggest comedy festival funded by the Saudi government, with a notorious human rights reputation.
  • Critique of comedians (Jim Jefferies, Pete Davidson) accepting such gigs and making insensitive jokes about oppressive regimes:
    • "If you're going out to do it, just be honest with yourself...But don't start making jokes about women and stuff—don't make jokes around it." (10:01, Vogue)
    • "They're offering life-changing money...I do understand the market conundrum that comes with that." (10:27, Joanne)
    • "Jim Jefferies has always been like that. He's a bit of a shock jock." (12:00, Joanne)

6. Taylor Swift’s New Album, Gossip, and Pop Star Feuds (12:00–17:11)

• Swift's unmatched work ethic and non-stop output is highlighted.
  • Vogue: "I mean when did this happen? I have to admire her, I really do." (12:44)
  • Joanne: "Her work ethic is off the charts." (13:05)
• Talk turns to speculation about diss tracks and celebrity rivalries—especially between Taylor Swift and Charli XCX.
  • Joanne recounts decoding the lyrics of Swift’s new song, which appears to clap back at “Boring Barbie” and references being ghosted:
    • Joanne: "Taylor's lyrics are: 'I heard you call me Boring Barbie when the Coke's got you brave. ...You said you're glad he ghosted me and you say it makes you sick to see my face.'" (15:11–15:51)
  • Discussion on the appeal and absurdity of decoding pop lyrics for hidden messages; Vogue draws parallels with her own experience with baseless decoding in the press.

7. Celebrity Power Dynamics & Toxic Masculinity (17:11–19:53)

• The hosts discuss rumors about One Direction's misogynistic behind-the-scenes competitions and toxic masculinity in entertainment.
  • Vogue: "All the boys had this competition to try and get a girl to sleep with them without even saying a single word." (17:31)
  • Joanne reflects on the intoxicating, uneven power dynamic between celebrities and 'normal' people:
    • "Any man with power like that, they always...women just become so disposable." (18:39)
    • "I was around an A-list person once and it is intoxicating...they can have anything they want at any time of day or night." (19:06)
• Vogue shares an anecdote about an Irish sports team “hit list” for models, revealing how objectification colored her own modeling career.

8. Chemistry Onstage and Playful Banter (19:53–20:27)

• Reflection on the magnetic appeal of performers:
  • Vogue: "When I see you on stage, I say, if I could have that girl, I would have her in two seconds!" (19:37)
• The duo riff on audience reactions, contrasting men’s and women’s responses to female comedians’ stage presence.
  • Joanne: "The men come to the show and they leave going, 'What a nightmare! ...I wouldn't touch off that if she was...'" (19:53)

9. Sign-off and Running Gags (20:27–21:10)

• Playful speculation about Joanne defecting to Saudi Arabia for the money (“imagining her posting about her first class flight with a Saudi prince”—20:31).
• Promise to return after a two-week break, some mock sadness about missing each other, and the now-familiar self-deprecation about their professional reputation.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On turning 40 and past struggles:
  • "I'm glad to be a decade on and more and more sorted." (00:58, Vogue)
• On death and denial:
  • "I deal with death the way I deal with most things in my life. I don't think about it." (01:41, Joanne)
• On the allure of power:
  • "Any man with power like that...women just become so disposable to them." (18:39, Joanne)
• On female competitiveness in the music industry:
  • "This is female scrapping. You have to decode this. We're more passive aggressive. The lads just have it out." (14:51, Joanne)
• On Taylor Swift’s work ethic:
  • "Her work ethic is off the charts." (13:05, Joanne)

Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:19–03:15: Turning 40, mortality, and past struggles
• 02:12–04:40: Dogs in heaven, reincarnation, and past lives
• 05:14–07:43: Epic sleep marathons, perimenopause banter
• 07:43–08:34: Friendship breakup jokes and “tell-all” podcast gag
• 08:34–11:58: Stand-up tours, Dubai shows, Saudi Arabia’s comedy fest and its ethics
• 12:00–17:11: Taylor Swift, gossip, pop culture feuds, decoding lyrics
• 17:11–19:53: Toxic masculinity, power dynamics, modeling anecdotes
• 19:53–20:27: Chemistry onstage, audience gender differences
• 20:27–21:10: Sign-off, two-week break, and one more jab at influencer scandals

Tone & Language

The conversation unfolds with signature Irish wit, sarcasm, and playful honesty. Both Vogue and Joanne balance genuine reflections with relentless self-deprecation, stream-of-consciousness commentary, and irreverence. The banter is fast-paced, with plenty of interruptions, asides, and improvisational comedy—a mix of sincere confessionals and biting satire.

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