MTGM EXTRA! "Is this the ULTIMATE ghosting?"

Summary

My Therapist Ghosted Me – MTGM EXTRA! "Is this the ULTIMATE ghosting?"

Hosts: Vogue Williams & Joanne McNally
Date: August 27, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this bonus episode, Vogue and Joanne dive into themes of honesty, public criticism, body confidence, and boundaries as women age. The heart of the episode spotlights an extraordinary listener story about a man faking his own death—a ghosting on a scale that stuns even these two. This ranges from light-hearted banter about beauty rituals and self-perception, to sharp observations about relationships, identity, and the ultimate “ghosting.” All of it is approached with their signature blend of wit, candour, and comic chemistry.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Masking and Handling Criticism

• Joanne discusses "masking" emotions, joking about neurodivergence and how people present themselves publicly vs. privately (00:39).
• Vogue shares a direct message from a fan offering unsolicited advice about how she should dress at "nearly 40," opening a debate about age, expectations, and bikini photos (01:56).
• Joanne observes, "If people didn't mask, civilization wouldn't move forward" (00:44).

Notable Quotes:

• “If people didn’t mask, everybody would just hate—you’d just be telling everyone to go fck themselves all the time."* – Joanne (00:44)
• "I look at you and I'm like...why does she get away with it? I don't get it." – Vogue (00:29)

2. Women, Shame, and Double Standards

• Joanne and Vogue debate the “rules” for women’s appearance with age, especially the social pressure to stop wearing bikinis.
• Joanne asserts: "If I'm embarrassed to be in a bikini at 40, then you should also be embarrassed! I'm just reminding you, you should feel shame, remember?” (03:37)
• They affirm each other’s choices—“I'll wear whatever I want”—and roast societal expectations (04:34).
• Side banter about "pigtails" as the only real fashion faux pas for older women (04:43).

3. Body Confidence & Favourites

• Both hosts cheekily discuss which parts of each other's bodies they'd swap, leading to tongue-in-cheek comparisons:
  • Joanne: “If you could swap, is there any piece of my body you would swap?” (14:23)
  • Vogue: "Your legs. I'd love your legs. And your arms." (14:30)
  • They trade off admirations and mock complaints: “I’d take your hands, arse, abs, eyebrows, teeth, and lips” (15:03).

4. Beauty Routines, Hair Growth & Treatment Mishaps

• Joanne details her successful experience with Regaine for hair regrowth, contrasting with Vogue’s unsuccessful "pumpkin seed" experiment (16:47).
• They laugh about plastic surgery and treatments, including a "lip flip" (15:16).

5. Theater, Musicals, and Lifestyle

• Quick detour into musicals: Joanne raves about seeing “Evita” at the Palladium with Rachel Zegler’s powerhouse performance.
  • “The star quality—I’ve never seen anything like it. The voice on her…it’s insane.” (09:19)
• Vogue’s upcoming plan to see “The Weir” with Brendan Gleeson (11:03).
• Nostalgic chat about their own live shows and coping with “winter mode.”
• Joanne: “Why am I not a wellness guru at this point?”—met with Vogue’s laughter (06:34).

6. Motherhood, Boarding Schools, and Alternative Parenting

• Joanne’s fantasy of sending her future “gayby” (child with her gay friend Ross) to boarding school, cracking, “I haven’t even had the kid and I’m already booking the Uber to the school!” (12:00)
• Vogue jokes about the relief of not having another child to manage.

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The Listener Letter: THE ULTIMATE GHOSTING (17:21)

A listener sends in a jaw-dropping story:

• Her ex-father-in-law disappeared on a fishing trip and was presumed dead.
• After the funeral, two years later, he’s spotted alive—he faked his death to run off with another woman and escape debt.
• “Is faking your death the ultimate ghosting?” the listener asks.

The Hosts React:

• Joanne: “What a c*nt of a man! Imagine putting your family through that…” (19:27)
• Vogue: “I can take you killing yourself for financial reasons, but add romance in, what a gunt!” (19:55)
• They analyze the gender dynamics: “It’s 100% men and 0% women, I’d say,” (21:13)
• Discuss the “disappearing” culture in Japan and emotional repercussions.

Notable Quotes:

• “If my fella died I’d be like, until I see that gun’s body…I am watching the ground go on top of that coffin.” – Vogue (21:42)
• “You’ve grieved a man already and now you know he’s alive—you’re already dead to me, now you’re dead to me again, because I know you’re a gunt.” – Joanne (20:31)

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Reflections on Therapy and Personal Growth (22:12)

• Jo McNally shares she’s seeing a therapist again, aiming for positivity, especially about relationships.
• The pair bounce from self-deprecating jokes to a surprising moment of genuine mutual compliments:
  • Vogue: “We’re full of the compliments today.” (23:47)
  • Joanne: “I told you, I’m being more positive.” (23:49)

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Notable Moments & Timestamps

• Masking and Civility: (00:39–01:17)
• The “Motherly Advice” DM: (01:56–02:22)
• Fashion Policing After 40: (03:25–04:43)
• The Wide Gate and Body Swaps: (13:41–15:16)
• Hair Treatment Chat: (16:26–17:14)
• Ultimate Ghosting Story: (17:21–22:12)
• Gender and Faking Death: (21:00–21:16)
• Therapist and New Attitude: (22:12–24:21)

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Tone & Style

True to form, the hosts deftly mix irreverent comedy, brutal honesty, and surprising flashes of vulnerability. They bounce between relatable gripes about social expectations and the absurdities of life and relationships—always ready with a quip or an exaggerated anecdote. Even the darkest submissions (“faking your own death”) are tackled with black humour.

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Summary

An episode that juggles hilarity and some jaw-dropping real-life drama, My Therapist Ghosted Me’s “Ultimate Ghosting” bonus pod is a wild ride through body positivity, unsolicited advice, and the limits of “ghosting.” Chorus lines of honesty, friendship, and outrageous banter carry listeners from everyday worries to the ultimate disappearing act. And in true Joanne and Vogue style, nothing’s off limits if it makes for a great story—or a better punchline.

Transcript

[A]

This is a Global Player original podcast. Hello, and welcome to the bonus episode of. My Therapist Ghosted Me with me, Vogue Williams and shiny hair Joanne McNally.

[B]

I thought I'd get in there and remind myself I do know my own name and that I'm back to life now. Post Oasis. I feel great. I've had a facial. I've washed my hair. I've done it. I've done. I've had an everything shower. I've cut my finger down.

[A]

I didn't know there was anything wrong with you, though. Like, I feel like you just. I look at you and I'm like. Honestly, I'm like, that's how I feel when I look at your stories. I'm like, why does she get away with it? I don't get it.

[B]

I mask well. It's the neurodivergent in me.

[A]

You mask. I don't mask well.

[B]

You mask well. You mask well. You do. You can switch it on. Yeah, you mask. I mean, I'm taking the piss about the neurodivergent thing. Everyone masks to a certain. Like, if people didn't mask, everybody would just hate. Like, you'd just be telling them to go themselves all the time. You have. There has to be an element of masking, whereas civilization wouldn't move forward.

[A]

You can't be moaning at other people. I know I moan a bit, but I do keep it kind of private when I'm on. On full moan stage because, like, I just. Internal moaning for me is better than whinging at everyone, you know?

[B]

Yeah. And as we've discussed before, I'm very much in my Dulu Dalai Lama era era, where I realized that when people are mean to me or rude to me, what they're really doing is being mean to themselves.

[A]

Oh, my God. I. Oh, my God. I actually screen grabbed this because I wanted to show it to you. Someone sent me a message. It was. It's in these hidden things where you, like, hide words or something. Here.

[B]

Crossword.

[A]

The booze.

[B]

Is it a crossword?

[A]

So someone no hide words so people can't mail you some that you don't hear. And I went into it.

[B]

Oh, sorry. Oh, you know. Yeah, yeah. Blocking certain terms. Yeah.

[A]

Wish I bloody hadn't Vogue. I'm a great admirer of yours and an even bigger admirer of your stunning mother. A breath, fresh air. Have you not ever thought that at nearly 40, you should stop showing your bits and bikinis and concentrate on a deeper image going forward in your more mature years? I'm a big supporter of all that you've achieved and love your little family. I left their full name. I won't mention another part, but get stuffed.

[B]

I. Yeah, I like. Yeah, but like that to me now, is someone thinking that she's offering genuine motherly advice like that to her. She's just being kind. Like she. It was like. I remember years ago when I was doing. I was stand up at the time, I was doing stand up about Mary Magdalene. Obviously an experimental phase.

[A]

Mother Teresa better watch out, she's next.

[B]

I've moved away from religion now. Very much based on STIs and genitals. It's doing. I've evolved. But I remember a woman, an elderly and like an elder woman, coming up to me and she was like, you know, obviously a big. Like a big holy head on her. And she was like, if you don't mind me saying the same thing. It always kind of. It's always a sandwich if they start with the compliment.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And she was like, please, please, please. At your stage in life. She said, just leave Mary out of it. Just leave Mary. She's like, why are you bringing Mary? Just leave her. She was like, I really like your work, but come on now, let's not drag Mary into it. And so that's the same. Yeah, I know.

[A]

Well, you did. And first, it worked. You left Mary out of this one. This one wouldn't be shocked because Sandra Wilson doesn't own a swimsuit. Sandra Wilson only wears bikinis. So is she gonna go now, mail Sandra and tell Sandra to stop wearing bikinis?

[B]

You see, there's always the rule that women in particular, if they feel like they've been pressured to cover up, if they feel they can't dress a certain way at a certain stage, then they feel like they're like, if I'm playing by the rules and I'm embarrassed to be in a bikini, 40, then you should also be embarrassed, folks. I'm just reminding you, you should feel shame, remember? Feel shame and leave Mary out of it.

[A]

Do not. I wouldn't even dare talk about Mary. But the thing about it is, as well. Can I just say, like.

[B]

And you've great. And I'll interrupt you there now. You've great bits. God knows I've seen enough of them at this stage to know great bits. Yeah, you're an 8 out of 10 on the bit front.

[A]

They're fully intact. But the thing about it is, they are.

[B]

We see them clearly through your pants.

[A]

I don't love my legs. I've always said I don't love My legs, I don't hate them anymore. But I actually don't mind my stomach. So, like, I look better in a bikini because it kind of detracts a bit from the leg. So, like.

[B]

And.

[A]

And also, I'll wear whatever I was.

[B]

That. Exactly. We don't need. You don't need to justify it.

[A]

And if I want to wear a thong bikini back to front, I will, because I've great bits.

[B]

The only thing I cannot support an older woman doing is wearing pigtails. Anything else, I'm fine with it. I think. An older woman wearing pigtails. Pigtails.

[A]

Pig tiles.

[B]

Pig tile. Pigtails. Oh, my God, is that an English accent? What happened there, Joe? I just glitched. Pigtails.

[A]

A pigtail.

[B]

I've been on the phone to Rick, my UK agent. Pigtails.

[A]

Space buns. Which are. Which are two pigtail buns.

[B]

And you're right, it's on the nose. It's on the nose. And I said to sue, the last time Sue Brophy does my hair makeup and aren't the last time she was pulling them up into space buns. I said, sue, am I allowed still do this? And I think she'd one up. So she was like, you. Yeah. She's like, I'm not taking it down and starting again.

[A]

Especially with all your hair. It's like, no, that's it.

[B]

She's like, you're grass. No, but pigtails on an older one, they're the only thing I do. I do kind of think breakdown.

[A]

Yeah. Pigtail's not great. Yeah, I agree.

[B]

Remember I planted that. That Quite thirsty thirst trap when I was in Cape Town?

[A]

Oh, yeah. I really enjoyed that.

[B]

And you could see it.

[A]

Disappeared it for a while and then brought it back.

[B]

And then brought it back. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I remember, like, I. Not. No, no, no, I got it. I got a. Not, like massively mean or anything, but just kind of like a bit disappointed you've gone down that root. La la. Yeah. I was like, sorry, I had. It's like, just because I'm a comic doesn't mean I have to be in bits all the time. Do you know what I mean?

[A]

And also, I don't know what people think. You're like, I always get that if I get photographed on the beach, it's like, oh, look at her showing off. What you want me to wear to the beach? Like, do I have to wear a full woolen suit? Or could you mind if I wear a bikini?

[B]

Yeah, I know. Again, when they're being mean to you. Vogue, they're Only being mean to them. Well, they're not actually they're being mean to you, but in on a deeper level. You know what I mean? It's cuz they. They're unhappy with themselves.

[A]

Well, anyway, I found. I found it interesting.

[B]

Why am I not a wellness guru at this point? Come on.

[A]

Well, I could point to quite a few reasons why that would be the.

[B]

Case, but publicly, why am I not. Privately, it's fine.

[A]

Can you imagine Jan does a video where she's. Where she's making her own almond milk or something. It would just be greedy. It just would be very out weird.

[B]

Almond. What's an almond?

[A]

Almond. Almond.

[B]

What? You say almond.

[A]

Almond.

[B]

The L is silent.

[A]

Sorry, I didn't know you were forgetting about the not in my house. It's not. It's almond milk.

[B]

What do you say? I'm not ganging up on you, but I'd put the L in as well. Almond milk. Almond. Yeah.

[A]

Sorry. Joanna's so Parisian. Almond milk.

[B]

Well, it's not Parisian, it's basic linguistics. Ask. Ask Chachi. BT there.

[A]

No, we're. Stop wasting the water. Everyone's at that chat gbt. You tell me about the water. It's all I can think of. I delete the app.

[B]

The way not to wait normal Google just ask you the way not to waste the water is to stop saying thank you to chat gbt. That saves a good bit of water. Just take your. Just to get your information and run.

[A]

Okay, fine. Gigi's gone for her first sleepover today.

[B]

Oh, did you kick her out?

[A]

No, I was only sending tea because he goes over to my. And they love it. Well, it's. I think I'm going to have. Now I know I'll get a call at like 7 o' clock to go pick her up because she'll. But anyway, you have to give them a go.

[B]

Give them a go. You have to. She. It's the time she's stood in her own little feet. What did it say, Joe? The Americans definitely say almond.

[A]

Oh my God. Joanne's gone continental.

[B]

What can I say? I'm. I'm trying to crack America, you know, Got to get down.

[A]

Do you eat basil?

[B]

I don't eat bad basils. No. Come here. Enough of the. Enough of the chit chat. I went to see Evita last night. Oh yeah?

[A]

How was it?

[B]

The show that you couldn't go to and well, when I say vog, you really missed a trick there. It was phenomenal. Now it took me a little. It took me a minute to get into It. The second I sat down, I was like, I want to leave. Because I realized I was stuck. That, you know. You know, the way musicals, they always go. They always. You know, they go on for quite a long time.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And there was perfect. There was. It was. It was a long show, but once I kind of got into the swing of it, I was. It's your one Rachel what's her face who kind of tanked Snow White.

[A]

Oh, Rachel Ziegler.

[B]

Yeah. Because she was very pro Palestinian at the very start when America. A lot of Americans were still trying to. Not Americans. You know, the kind of America. Israel collab as such. And Disney obviously has Israeli connections, blah, blah, blah. But anyway. And she kind of. When I say this woman, the fucking star quality. I've never seen anything like it. The voice on her. She's so beautiful. She's gorgeous. Oh, she's insane. It's insane.

[A]

How long was it? Are you pretending it was long and it was more like the wicked thing when you thought it was an hour and a half long and it was actually 240.

[B]

No, no, it was long. Like, it was. It was. Do you know what it was. It ended as it ended when it needed to end. Which is the biggest compliment I can give to a musical. Me and Ross.

[A]

Is it Don't Cry for Me, Argentina. Oh, wow.

[B]

I had to make it happen.

[A]

Ah.

[B]

It was just. And then she goes out and does the balcony scene. On the balcony in the Palladium. And there's like hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people in the Palladium. Yeah, it was in the Palladium. And you know what I said when I was sitting there looking at the Palladium? I said, me and Vogue sell this out a couple of times. It's not fucking mental, dude.

[A]

Do you remember we used to say that to ourself every time we got. Well, no, we used to go on stage in. What was it called? The Apollo, and you'd be like, I did this three times on my own.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah, I did.

[B]

Do you know why? Because the stat. Well, I won't. I actually won't say why on the podcast, but there was a reason why I was doing that. I was asserting authority when I thought someone was disrespecting us. That's what I was doing. I was being a mother.

[A]

But, yeah, looking after me.

[B]

I was.

[A]

Good times.

[B]

I was. But I was. I was like, I've been. I did all this already. All of it's been done. But, yeah, come on. When she went out and she sang on the Balcony. I cried and you know how medicated I am. That's not an easy thing for me to do. Only ate my left eye, which then I went home to Google but apparently it's fine. But I cried heavily at my left eye. Yeah, yeah, I know, yeah, I would highly recommend. But it's all sold out. I had to fight Tooth and I to get tickets and we paid for them. But I, I, because I'd done the play, I was like, come on, come on, please.

[A]

Well, I'm going to a play. I'm going to a play next week in Dublin called the Weir and Brendan Gleason's in it. Oh yeah. And it's meant to be incredible. I think there's some tickets left. I think it's pretty much sold out. It's in the Olympia and I can't wait. I want to start getting back into the play era because I'm not gonna scare anyone. But I did get a touch of oh God, it's winter. Because I went when I was in Edinburgh, I was like, oh, it's winter. But I suppose it's always winter up there. But it just reminded me that winter is coming. So we need to get back into going into venues and stuff. We can't be standing outside in the streets having a drink anymore, it's too cold.

[B]

We'd be doing the Edinburgh fringe in like ponchos. No cu. It was raining so heavily. But then when the sun comes out, oh, it really makes an effort, really. I love Edinburgh. I just, I, well, I was going.

[A]

To say my mom used to live there.

[B]

I wouldn't die for it, but I'd weekend there.

[A]

Yeah, my mom used to live there.

[B]

It's enough, I think to give them. Did she.

[A]

Why did they send me to Aberdeen uni when they lived in Edinburgh and there's four unis in Edinburgh. Why didn't I go to uni in Edinburgh?

[B]

Well, you know the way I'm talking about having this gaybe. I'm gonna have a gay baby with my friend Ross. Well, the father will be gay, but I. The baby will be either gay or not gay. I don't really care if it's a son, obviously I want it to be gay. If it's a girl, I really don't give a. Anyway, obviously we're thinking about it, talking about it, blah, blah, blah. And I was driving past a really lovely boarding school the other day and it boards like juniors and I was like, perfect. I was like, joanne, you haven't even had the kick and you're already Going to the Uber. Pull in there. I need to do a tour of that boarding school.

[A]

Gotta sign up.

[B]

Take it. When it's three years of age, I'll see you for a week. It'll go to its gay father until it's three and then it'll go to boarding school. Rats.

[A]

God, this really takes the pressure off me because it's quite full on with three kids. I don't know if I need a Gaby on top of that. Not at all.

[B]

Throw them in the boarding school of mine.

[A]

You won't want to. Once. Once they're there, you just won't want to. I'm telling you, I don't want mine to go to boarding school. Honestly. Yeah, I think I'm losing their mind with how bad it is or something.

[B]

I think. I think once it arrives by airplane from the surrogate in America, I will be. I will be attached.

[A]

Do you know, did you see that AI thing where they're basically creating a woman's womb and the baby is born? I'd love that. I don't know. I don't think. I think. I think there's nothing wrong. Give it a little. Go yourself. Give it a lash. Yeah. Even I vomit the whole way through. I vomit the whole way through. And honestly, it is. If you can do it, I would do it.

[B]

Yeah, well, we'll see. We don't know. I don't know what the situation is. Yeah.

[A]

To get a bit of excavation done. I should really go do that again. It's always nice to know.

[B]

Exploratory. I need to be excited.

[A]

I'll go with you. It's a date. It's a date. We'll go. We'll get our eggs checked.

[B]

Yeah, I was doing it.

[A]

We got our vaginas buzzed together. Let's just do all lower area things together.

[B]

I was doing Deer and Gary's podcast yesterday. Laughs. Your life. And we were talking about you. And she was like, is it annoying that she's so gorgeous? I said, she is. I said, but she's her. I said, she's got a very wide gate. And I said. So I said to her, and if it makes you feel any better about yourself, it is wide. It's the widest one I've ever seen. And that's always. And every time she rocks up, full hair, makeup, in her bikini, in her abs, I just think, white gate, white gate, white gate, white guys.

[A]

It's not that wide. I have. I have looked at it and it's not that wide. I think the only problem I have When I walk is the arms move too much. And I've been told Shaggy from Scooby Doo and I really try and control the arms, but if I'm not thinking about them, they're going up to my ears and stuff.

[B]

If you could have, if you could have one piece of my body, if you could swap. Is there any piece of my body you would swap?

[A]

Your legs. I'd love your legs. And I wouldn't mind your arms, to be honest with you.

[B]

Really?

[A]

On your boobs? On your hair?

[B]

Sure. I've nothing left. You've skinned me alive, woman. I said one thing. I'm like potato heads. You've taken all the features off in the arms and the legs.

[A]

Bald potato stuff I've had my eye on. I'll take that.

[B]

I think I would take your hands, arse, abs, eyebrows, teeth and lips.

[A]

I got, I'm gonna say it now. I got a lip flip because I spoke about it in my book. I got Botox. So I got a lip flip, if anyone's ever heard of it, because I've just noticed it kick in. And when you said that, your lips. Because I was like, people are gonn. I got loads of filler on my lip. I got a lip lip which is like Botox at the top of your lip. And it makes your lip kind of sit up a bit and you kind of notice it kicks in. When I was trying to drink out of that straw there, it's like, yeah.

[B]

I'd one of them before you. Like a fish.

[A]

Yeah, I love it.

[B]

Yeah, it looks great when your mouth is just like, not moving. But the second you've just put anything in us.

[A]

I know, but I was. When Katrina Ryan tells you to do something, you just say, yeah, go for it.

[B]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

She told me to shave my head. You'd look better. I'd say, okay, fine, if that's what you think.

[B]

Yeah. That's one thing I will say about you. I don't think you could pull off a shaved head. I, I, I'm always very, I'm always very honest with you. And I, I think that's where I down.

[A]

It's a bit flat at the back as well. And the neck is too big for a shaved head. Like, my neck is so long, it kind of looks giraffe like at times.

[B]

Only one way to find out. I mean, for charity, maybe.

[A]

No, Sharon, no. My hair doesn't grow like Joanne's. Joanne's. Joanne would shave hers one day, be back the next.

[B]

Can I. Have I talked about. Have we given an update on your. Well, your. Your farce of a pumpkin seed tit growth journey, but my actual real journey of regain working on my hairline.

[A]

Well, regain is like chemical. Like the sunflower seeds were only just a little go and I actually think they've gotten smaller.

[B]

Remember when the scalp dermo in the Montrose and she was like tell me to use regain. And I. And I've been blasting it on and when I say actual regrowth I cannot get over. I. I honestly can't get over that it works. And this is also.

[A]

You haven't been dying your hair blonde, so you have to take that into account as well. You dye your hair blonde. Like my friend does my hair over here. And she's like, you can't get your hair dyed. And I was like, why not? I was planning to get it dyed this week. And she's like, you can't. It's literally breaking off. Blonde breaks your hair off.

[B]

Yeah, no, no, it is, it's. It's. Shit. Rock y.

[A]

Hello. Hello ladies and Joe, I've just listened to your bonus pod about the poor woman who was ghosted by herbag partner of five and a half years and wanted to share the story of my ex father in law. Did that woman ever get back to us, Jono?

[B]

Not yet, but I still believe. I believe too. I think if you write once, you write twice. She's busy. Always a right once a rider.

[A]

What if she misses it? She might miss the pod and not hear it.

[B]

I mean I could email her back. Sorry, is that your. Is that your wife who just messaged? That's my wife. I just on the WhatsApp. She did a poo at nursery with three exclamation points.

[A]

That's brilliant.

[B]

With no Nazi, you guys.

[A]

In 2007, my then father in law to be went on a fishing trip with a friend. They are European and this was just off a coast. They resided that he knew well.

[B]

Gang.

[A]

When he didn't return, when expected, his wife of 25 years and two sons started to call to try and find out where he was. Dead one, two. Skip. A few coast guards were called. Boat found, body was not funeral took place dead and gay two. You're really on the gay chat today. Two years later, my husband received a text message from someone he hadn't spoken to for a long time to say how nice it was to catch up with his dad on the plane.

[B]

No, no.

[A]

And how they should catch up soon. It's been too long. Needless to say, everyone was very confused how A dead person could be on a plane and very much alive. Turns out, after amending some debt and meeting a new woman, he felt the only way he could start a new life was to fake his own death and leave his wife of 25 years and his sons 22 and 15 years old, behind.

[B]

Oh, my. This is huge in Japan, by the way. Go on.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, I've read that. Is faking your death the ultimate ghosting? I'll let you decide. Wow. Wow.

[B]

Okay, I'm down. I'm downloading my thoughts here. 1.

[A]

I think that is desperate.

[B]

What a gun I think was. We'll start using gunt instead, Joe, because you don't have to bleep it out. What a gunt of a man. Imagine putting your family through that. And you know what? The money thing, that's a real issue with men in particular. They're always like, big gambling. And a lot of them, they unalive themselves because they've got themselves into all sorts of debt and all that stuff. But adding another woman in the mix, it's too much.

[A]

It's too much. I can take you.

[B]

I can take you killing yourself off for financial reasons, but add romance in. What a gun.

[A]

You're young kids feeling like they've lost their dad and you're actually alive, just going and living another life and actually being able to be happy away. Living another life. That is just. I've heard stories like this.

[B]

You get away with it, though. Like, that's like. There's a lot of talk goes into that. You can't just. It's not that easy to start again. Do you know what I mean?

[A]

I mean, but in Japan, yeah, you can go missing. They. They have a service where that people can actually make. Go missing, can make you disappear.

[B]

They work too much in Japan.

[A]

Well, no, they're allowed to have naps during the workday. I told you that.

[B]

I think they just pass out. I don't think that's napping. I think that's just like, oh, if I don't lie down, I'll die thing. Anyway, this is. This is terribly sad because you're like, how do. You've grieved a man already and now you know he's alive, but you're like, I'm. You're. You're already dead to me. And now you're dead to me again. Because I know you're Gunt.

[A]

And he felt so. And you were so upset that he lost his life and you actually were so nice about him and went to his funeral, organized a Funeral job. What your funeral costs. Absolutely cost him a bloody fortune.

[B]

I would love to know how many women versus how many men have killed themselves off, put their family through hell and started a relationship with another woman. That's what I would like to know. How many women.

[A]

It's 100% men and 0% women, I'd say.

[B]

I would estimate. And I'm actually going to look into it for the next podcast.

[A]

Are you though?

[B]

No, of course not.

[A]

We'll just stick up for women. That's it.

[B]

Yeah. That's a disgrace.

[A]

That is the ultimate ghosting. I mean, that's a really.

[B]

That's really bad. So I'd say it's not uncommon. I would be like, if, if my fella died, I'd be like, until I see that gun's body.

[A]

And I'd be opening up the coffin in the ground to make sure. I'll be like, I am watching the ground go on top of that coffin.

[B]

Yeah. I'll set fire to him myself. And then I'd be looking at the book of condolences. And any women I didn't. If any women I didn't know, I'd be like, who's she? How do you know her?

[A]

Get him back up. I need to ask him. This is.

[B]

Exhume this lad. Tell him I've been in his DMS and we need to talk outside immediately. Oh, yeah, they're all at it. John, stop. They're not.

[A]

That's the ultimate ghosting.

[B]

I'm back with the. I'm back seeing a therapist.

[A]

Oh, great. I think that's really good for you. I love that.

[B]

Yeah. So it's very much about trying to be more positive about, like relationship. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm not. I'm not. I'm. I'm being more positive. So maybe that man had his reasons. Fair play to him.

[A]

I would say. Having been through. I think he was overwhelmed. I think he is wrong.

[B]

I think he's overwhelmed, that man. I need to be more generous in. In my feedback towards men and their actions. And I, I maybe that mom was overwhelmed.

[A]

Well, that's it. I always have to say. I always have to end it.

[B]

I know. I'll just keep chatting. See, I don't have kids or a husband. I'm completely alone, folks. So I'll just. I've now nothing to do.

[A]

You're the least alone person ever and you've so many people that you hang out with all the time. You have a better life than I do.

[B]

I have no sense of purpose and I have A bad attitude, apparently, according to my therapist. So I have nothing to do but chill.

[A]

He didn't say a bad attitude. I don't believe that.

[B]

No, he didn't say it about attitude. He didn't say it about attitude.

[A]

I'm still not ever being called controlling. Only because I was called out in it.

[B]

He's like, stopping such a gun. I was like, I'm sorry, you're a bloody gun. Vogue. You are controlling.

[A]

In a good way, sure. Yeah, in a good way. Come on. I'm a good organizer. I'm a good planner.

[B]

You are, you are, you are. I wish I was, actually. I wish I was a little bit more controlling, actually. I'm quite avoidant which things. And then things build up. Do you know what I mean? You're more.

[A]

We get on so well, though.

[B]

You're more. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're more like, let's get this done and dusted. Yeah. And you deal with things quite well. And you're a good communicator, I would say. Wow.

[A]

We're full of the compliments today.

[B]

I told you, I'm being more positive.

[A]

Yeah, well, it's. It's really, it's. Wow. I feel great about myself. Thank you very much. Having a great time.

[B]

I'm on tour.

[A]

When can I go see you?

[B]

You still come to the Apollo's? There's tickets, There's. There's four Apollo cells. There's tickets left for the last Apollo and the rest of them are gone. And our. And Clarnia Casa Bar, it's.

[A]

That's.

[B]

That's happening this side of Christmas. The Dublin ones, this side of Christmas are gone, but Killarney Castle Bar, there's still tickets for those ones. If anyone cares to put me out of my misery and buy one of those tickets, that'd be fantastic.

[A]

Thanks, everyone.

[B]

Thank you.