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This is a global player original podcast.
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I have turned into cheese fully. I found a new cheese over here. Beaufort Cheese. I smell of cheese. It comes out of my pores. My breath smells like cheese. I can just taste old because it's. I'm just eating cheese all the time. When does it end?
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Well, luckily for you, no matter what you seem to do, you still look like Cindy Crawford, so I wouldn't worry about it. I look like. This is. This is a classic competition of Irish women to say who looks the worst. I look like I've inhaled Christmas to my face. I look like a ferret. I look like I've got gout. I'm disgusting with myself.
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I'm having a retreat next. Let's go on a retreat.
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I'm not a rehab. I see your retreat, and I'll raise you a rehabilitation center in Arizona.
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Could we not just. Could we not start? Listen, it's our first Christmas that we're trying this. Can we not just go to the Mayo Clinic? You know that place in Austria where they just. Just. Let's go there for two weeks and just so Christmas.
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We're trying to make you relatable. You've still got abs. You could grate the cheese you're eating off your stomach. It's not the same. You're not normal.
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Did I tell you the mole update? I have a mole update.
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Still there.
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It's still there, obviously. Oh, my God. Joanne, I have to send you the pictures. Usually was drawing a sketch of you. If you feel bad, I won't send it today because I didn't feel great about myself, and then when I saw that, I felt worse.
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Well, when you're referencing it in the same sentence as talking about your mouth, you get dogs abuse for. I can only imagine what we both done to me by that. We both look satanistic child.
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People look like potatoes.
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Oh, that's fine. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's post Christmas.
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There's always a bit of a man.
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Told me a carb vibe. Go on.
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A man told me I have to. I'm gonna have to get my mole removed. He's like, it's gonna keep growing. I can't have a takeover.
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My face.
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I don't want to be. I mean, it's at a level that's controllable, but I don't. To be one of those grannies where the kids are just, like, scared to come over to me because I've got a mole with a plant coming out of it.
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Well, that's interesting because the nose and the ears continue to grow as well, Joe. So, yeah, look, I look forward to.
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Get them taken off, too.
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Someone asked me the other day, could you get your ears pinned back? And I was like, no, why? And she goes, because you look like someone who would need to do that. And I was like, I don't know what that means.
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I think that's a slam.
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I think that's like, how are you feeling? You look really tired. Yeah, I got the same insult off.
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It was ropey.
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Anyway, Joanne, I cannot believe you went and got yourself intense salmon sperm and then stepped on stage with 2,3000 people looking at you like, what the hell is wrong with you?
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Like, 1300, but thanks. It's only 1300.
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Five, six thousand people.
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To be honest, I'm so brazen with all the treatments. I'd say if I didn't walk on with half my face hanging off, they'd be like, she's getting lazy. Do you know what I mean?
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I find it fascinating because you'll have. She'll have an issue about something. A video that goes up for where we all think she looks really nice, but she'll walk on stage with lumps coming out of her eyes.
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Yeah, I don't. I don't have the down time.
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I don't know the line, though. Joanne, what's the line? I don't know.
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I feel like all I do at the moment is drink wine, plug shows and get treatments. I feel like there's more to life. I think it's time. I think I'm like, I think I'm thinking of taking up a craft.
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You're aware we've been doing this podcast since 2021, and you've been drinking wine, plugging shows, and getting treatments.
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I feel exactly with the. Like, I feel comfortable knowing what's gonna happen. So don't change that.
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It's time to.
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It's just nice. It's a nice narrative.
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I'm just sick of it. I'm sick of it. I want. I want more to my life. But in the same breath, we're adding a Brisbane 4pm show on whatever day that's coming up. And I also have. So I'm off to America to try and sell Pedophile. Yeah, I'm selling my wares over stateside.
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I think they'll enjoy it. I think they'll wonder what the is wrong with you if you go over with eyes like that. But besides that.
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It'S la. If you don't have a staple fall now to your face at some time of the day or night. It's not.
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They couldn't be ours with the Salmonsburn. They go full facelift.
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So 18th of March, New York City. The City Winery loft in the 25th of March, Los Angeles. The Dynasty typewriter. But I'm going over to try and. Gonna try and sell this thing to someone.
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Oh, it's Netflix.
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Well, one of them.
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Amazon, one of them. They owe me for the amount of money I've spent on there. They owe me a favor. I'll get in touch.
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It'll probably be the RTE player at this stage.
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Nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong with that.
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But I went to LA and I'm like, so main offer, it's. It's the RTE player. So it's the only one that. The only one that put an offer in. So we're gonna go RTU player.
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John, it can go on my vlog, no problem.
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Yes, let's thrash out a deal.
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Not a bother.
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Would you mind putting in an offer for the vlog?
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Absolutely not. I'd love to. I would always help a friend out.
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Also vogue. I did notice when you were. When you came up to mine before Christmas and you were vlogging with your little machine and I was filmed on the night. Oh, it's in her hand there. I was filmed on the night and. And all that made it to the vlog was my shark robot Hoover. Did I look like shit? Was that it?
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Joanne, we vlogged about 40 seconds of that night. We were very busy.
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I was.
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I don't know if you remember how busy we were.
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I was present in the video and then I got caught and my shark robot Hoover, which is my best friend and confidant at this point, but still made the cut in the vlog and I wasn't in the.
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No one can compete with a shark Hoover. A robot Hoover.
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I'm sorry, did I look terrible? Was that it? Was that I barely.
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I barely got you in it. No, you didn't look terrible. I don't know why you were in it. That's rude. I didn't really do that edit and I didn't notice it. I didn't pick up on it. Well, I'll do. I'll do an entire. Listen, why don't we go out for a day of vlogging? How about that, huh? On me?
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Well, no, because you'll be. You're going to be streaming pena fairly soon. Yeah. So let's get ready for that set up. Where's vlog's vlog going? What's the plan?
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Flo's vlog. Vlog's vlog is on YouTube.
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Where's your float?
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What do you mean, where's it going?
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Like, what's the name? What are you gonna do?
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Well, I don't have it. I'm just vlogging.
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Vlogging, the narrative art.
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I said, I said, I said. I said flow. I said the vlog. And Spany was like, what? That's pathetic.
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Yeah.
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I've only just started. Yeah, this is only my fifth one, so I don't know where it's going to go.
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Spencer. Spencer breaks a record in The Antarctic. Gets 15 views. Vlog. Just vlogs around Battersea park putting her makeup on and gets hundreds of thousands of views. No wonder he's raging. He's like, just broke a record, Saved a child's life, brought someone back to life.
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You always have my back. I love it so much. You never get that in a partner. You'd only get it in a friend.
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Blows just like, I'm awake, girls. And everyone's like, stunning. Slay. Get it? We love you. Vlog. Vlog more.
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Oh, God. Sveni's Venice. What are they called? What are they called? Challenges. And he's planning another thing in March. I'm like, hang on a second here, pal. I might be okay with you doing one a year, but this is creeping into two. Three.
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It's a lot.
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It doesn't really feel like this is fair game.
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Did I tell you I'm gonna get married this year?
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Who are you gonna marry?
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A rag doll? So that I can get some press in the Daily Mail in the States and try and crack it.
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I have somebody that you could marry. That would actually work out quite well for me because there's a lot.
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Not marrying Gigi. You're stuck with her. I'm not taking her off your hands. She's not even. She's not even gay yet. I mean, we're working on it, but.
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She'S not even gay yet.
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She will be when I fin we're going to turn her guy. We need a lesbian. And we need a tiny lesbian in the gang. Amber's getting too big now.
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I thought you were being a lesbian. You decided ages ago you were going to be a lesbian.
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Do you know that? There was a huge shift.
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You'll never get a T TV show unless you start being a lesbian.
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I know. We need more diversity in our. In our. In our pack. Two white women. We're really. We're really. We're really not zeist here anymore. Now we're kind of the problem, really. But I was actually Yuck.
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The two of us. Y. Look at the two of them.
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Y. I was reading this article the other day and it was talking about the amount of women who have been living kind of like. Like, like, as in who have been up to this point in. Until they hit their 40s, straight as such and with men. And there's a huge cultural shift towards women settling down with other women now. Apparently 2026 is the year of the horse and the year of the lesbian.
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Well, I do think it would be a very nice life with another woman, though. I think that, like, it would just. It would just. We'd be so considerate towards each other. We'd always be thinking of each other. It would be very nice.
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You say that, but, like, I have lesbian friends and you obviously have lesbian friends as. As we all do. And they say it's just as much of a shit show on their side of the fence as everyone else's. No one's. All relationships are tricky. It doesn't matter who you're riding or what you're riding. It's all. Everything's tricky.
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Sure, the grass is always greener.
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Usually. I wouldn't do this, but this is mad that this is what you're talking about. You should probably read this week's email.
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No way.
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Yeah, okay. Not. Not wishing to spoil her.
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Has a woman left her husband for another?
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Oh, who read.
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Who even am I?
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I told you, I'm like Nostradamus. I'm telling you. 2026. Year the horse and the year the.
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Lesbian people are going to think that this is scripted and we made this up. Carry on.
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Okay, ready, girls? I'm in massively uncharted waters. Do you want, by the way, Joe, like we would ever have the memory to try and make something like this.
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I think you learn your lines by Friday evening.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, sure. We all know girl code about not hooking up with your girlfriend's brothers. You don't do it. And I've always known that it's fine because none of them are hot anyway, but here I am. Female, early 30s, single, and until December 31, 2025, straight.
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This is not. Oh, my God. Finger on the pulse.
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If you've. If you've not guessed what I'm all that scrolling. It never goes to waste.
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Never goes to waste.
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If you've not guessed what I'm going to say. I was at a New Year's Eve party and got chatting to one of my friend's sisters. Two important facts to consider. One, the friend is not a top Level best friend. She's more of a always been around time and two, her sister is out lesbian. She's in her early 40s. Oh, I went to this house party in 1, 2 plus 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 and beyond. Skip a few. And I'm having my first sexual experience with another woman. It's 4am the party is winding down and it's all just happened. I snuck out the next morning and no one has said anything since. I don't know if my friend knows if her sister has told her nothing. I didn't get the sister's number because well, it was my first time and I'm learning. What do I do next? Please help because I feel so guilty and confused.
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Oh, pursue.
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You need to decide do you want to pursue first of all? And if you want to pursue, I think there's always a way to get someone's number. I wouldn't be asking the sister for the sister's number though. But you can always do an insta stalk and just go on and. And if you want to have a little, a little go again. Oh my God, do do it again.
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I just put into the Internet why are more women turning? And it came up lesbian as the first suggestion. This is, this is a movement. Women are decentering men. And I think women are realizing there's more to their story. Women turning at turning. They've put it in inverted commas, which means it's probably not an appropriate term. Isn't a choice or sudden event, but rather a growing awareness or realization of inherent sexual orientation influenced by complex biological hormones, genetics and environmental factors often described as sexual fluidity where attractions can shift over a lifetime, not just in youth, revealing deeper connections with women over time. Interesting. So yeah. So we're of the opinion that whatever we're attracted to when we're young, that we'll just maintain that attraction. But that's actually not the human condition which can happen at any time. Discovering you're drawn to can happen and change at any time. Sometimes involving long held but unacknowledged feelings. Interesting.
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Have you ever had a little tingle of a feeling? Because I just, I'm so disappointed in myself. I don't think I have like ever. I've never, I've. I've, I've kissed girls and stuff. But like it wasn't more. Well it was just more of a like thing to do, I suppose. But I've never, like it says, never had an a hankering.
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Environmental and experiential factors were not the cell calls, personal experiences and social Context. Contexts can contribute to understanding one's attraction. It's not a choice or conversion. You can't make someone lesbian work in therapy, change a person's orientation. It's a fundamental aspect of identity that unfolds. So yeah, so you're so basically to this woman, you're unfolding in a different way. Fantastic. Yeah. Unfold. There's more to life than just staying in the same position. Unfold yourself, see what happens.
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I think because your inhibitions were down because you're obviously bit drunk, but that doesn't mean that like you did it for that reason. And if you're still thinking about it, maybe it might be a nice thing to just like think about again. I think it's quite exciting.
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I do think morale between in the hetro world is the lowest it's ever been. I think men and women are straight men, straight women, CIS men, CIS women are the most confused by each other than maybe ever before. Now maybe that's just my algorithm. I'm probably in an echo chamber of kind of anti male rhetoric. And it's not. It's not necessarily anti male but it's more so the differences between men and women, straight men and women trying to make a romance work. It feels like we're very. We're kind of more distant than ever before would be my take on it. And I think that's why there is a kind of a. What do we say, a movement, I don't know if we call it a movement of women who have been up to this point living life as a straight woman. And they are. There's a shift happening and they're actually like, hold on a second. I'm getting so much from this female relationship and then it turns sexy and neither.
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I also, I also think that it's because of society and how like things are changing and how it's so worked like it was never acceptable. Like had years and years ago back in the day. Whereas now it's very, very acceptable and it's, it's a normal thing, which it always has been. But it probably wasn't always.
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Maybe they're still like a gay.
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If being gay was illegal not that long ago, when you think about it, it wasn't that long ago. I think people now maybe probably feel a bit safer and just like they don't feel like they'll be judged as much by other people.
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Safer to explore curiosities. Yeah, potentially. I'd say I have a little girl on girl flinging me.
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Definitely.
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Yeah. Hopefully it's not Amber. Don't make things very awful.
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God. Oh. Do you know what it will be, Amber? That's what will happen. You'll have the drinks.
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Keep it in the farm. But I do. There is.
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You love to alike if you like just doing it.
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I know. It'd be the most narcissistic sexual activity of my life. She looks like me.
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I love me. I love me.
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I look amazing.
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Oh, God.
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But I do think with man, it's a different beast because men are so caught up in the idea of what masculinity is that like, I think a lot of the same feelings and they just aren't willing to explore them because it seems like they think they'll be more judged for it, you know they do.
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On the sly.
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Of course they do.
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Right. There's a lot of that. And like, I know, I know people that have slept with. With men. Obviously they don't know I know. But like, I would never ever in a million years have guessed it. I'm like, it's, it's, you know, I think it's sad that you can't just, like, be yourself. I think in years to come, I think we'll all probably be bisexual. You never know.
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It's a spa. It's a spectrum.
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I am being flooded with ads from dog rescue centers. And I think that I would like to be allowed to send you my favorite dogs. And I think that you should rescue a dog.
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I'd love to, but rescue it and put it where it like, I have no interest in them.
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Okay, well, you can have a dog then.
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I, I me rescuing a dog. I think its life would be worse.
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With me almost a sausage dog. That's right up your street. I'll send you. I'll send you over. Remember Lulu? Who you missed out on? Lulu's gone. There's another one.
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One of my. I would love genuinely, like, not even taking the piss this year. What I would love for myself is it's time to. I want to raise something. Okay. Now, obviously, I have plans to have the Gabby. We don't know how that's going to go. It's not a guarantee. I'd. I was about to say I'd murder a dog, but, like, I wouldn't. I'd love to buy a house for myself. I want to buy my own little house in London. I want to have a little garden and I want. I just want a dog. It's just, it's time to mine something and raise something and teach it to drive and all the other things that parents do with their animals. Bring it. Swimming, piano classes, whatever.
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This close to being able to get another dog, I think.
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How gorgeous is that?
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I just love. I'd love to have a farm of animals. Do you follow Niall Harbison?
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I do. The Irish side is out in Thailand.
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Yeah, he's out in Thailand. If you don't follow him, that's a lovely night for January when we're all feeling a bit down. Follow Niall Harbison and you can see what he's up to. Saving all the Thai street dogs. Oh, my God.
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He's actually got a great audio. So I was going to say a great audiobook. Sorry. He's actually got a great. A great book that I've just downloaded as audio, which I haven't listened to yet. But, yeah, he's kind of devoted his life to saving stray dogs in Thailand. Joe, why don't you get a dog?
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I have a dog, so that's. That nailed.
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You should.
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I'm glad. How is it? That's what I meant to say. How's the dog?
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He's 11.
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He's.
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He's. Well, he's good.
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11.
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Yeah. Look, don't. Don't stop.
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No, no.
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That.
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He might be coming to the end of his.
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I wish it was nearly 14. You have a couple of years left.
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I was gonna say he's got. He looks great for his age, is what I was gonna say.
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Oh, is that what you're gonna spray around the edges?
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But who isn't, Joe? Who isn't?
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Absolutely.
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Did we answer the email?
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We said that we wanted to hear from her.
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Oh, yeah. Do it again. Live out.
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Do it. Do it.
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I do think there's this cultural shift happening where. You're Right. Vogue. It's that lack of. There's not the same stigma and shame, and so that's all kind of dissolving away. Thank God. And now people are just kind of, like, exploring more things for themselves.
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God. Oh, God. On a. Really on. I'm sorry. I'm just so involved in it and I cannot bloody stop. Brooklyn Beckham sent his parents a legal letter. Oh, my God.
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Yeah.
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I'm just so desperate to know. I'm like. You sent your parents a legal letter telling them not to contact you publicly and on your Instagram. Sorry.
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I'm sorry.
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Now, like, you just don't do that to your parents, no matter what. If my. Like, if your parents did the worst thing in the world to you. Right. And we're just awful parents. When you were growing up. Fine. If you grew up and your friends, your parents for Your entire life, and you do everything together, and then you send them a legal letter.
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What I will say is, as someone who knows nothing about anything and has no inside information, that lad. Unless. Unless the Beckhams are like, alas, David Beckham is secretly Joseph Fritzel. I cannot understand. Like, I look at their life and I'm like, Brooklyn, you don't know you're born. You've such an amazing. Like, they look. I think they are how they look. I think there's.
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Yeah. Like, I want to go. That's where I want to spend Christmas. I want to spend Christmas there next year. This year, that's where I'm going. You can go on your own to Arizona. I'm actually going to the Beckhams. I've decided I forgot about that. And they have space. As I said, they have space. But seriously, I saw that and I. I gasped aloud. If anyone has any insider goss. I don't even know how anyone would please, dear God, for the love of.
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God, send it to me every time 1. Every time my mother does something that annoys me and, like, I annoy her and she annoys me. And I think if I was to get a call tomorrow to say she's on her deathbed, just say, and like, hopefully that's a long time down the road. How Touchwood. Touch everything. How would I feel? Like, what regrets would I have? You know, all the little goes out the window. Why am I advising Brooklyn back? I'm on the fallout with his birds.
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I mean, I know Brooklyn.
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Feel free to slip into my dms. We can talk about this privately.
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I have got. I have got such a streak in me. I be sending. I'd be flashing out legal letters left, right, and center to my family. I'd be getting onto the guards for a restraining order. I'd love to see you pop that. Don't pop it without filming it.
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I have a spot in my face. To the listeners. It's what? It's. It's. It's actually quite. It's quite impressive, actually. It's just growing and growing and growing.
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Water tissue on that hot water tissue and bring it up and then bam.
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Do you know that one of the biggest sellers of Christmas presents this year was the kind of plastic faces you can buy and squeeze their spots. Chris Watts's face. Got one for JoJo Siwa.
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Chris Hughes.
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Ah, there you go.
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Well, what you buy the girl who has everything, huh? Spot popper.
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Before we go, it would be remiss for me not to let people remind people that I have a 3Arena show on sale for December 12, 2026 and also we have extra Aussie dates going. I have Sydney and Melbourne tickets on sale and Leeds, Brighton, Manchester, Liverpool. This has been a global player original production.
Podcast: My Therapist Ghosted Me
Episode: MTGM EXTRA! "It all just happened..."
Date: January 14, 2026
Hosts: Vogue Williams & Joanne McNally
Vogue and Joanne kick off the year with a freewheeling, candid chat packed with their trademark humour, unapologetic honesty, and musings on everything from self-image and cheese to cultural shifts in sexuality. The episode moves seamlessly between playful self-deprecation, tales of cosmetic treatments, career ambitions, a surprisingly timely listener dilemma about female sexuality, and even discussions about dogs and the latest celeb gossip. At its heart, it’s a celebration of life’s messiness—embracing change, friendship, and all the little tangents along the way.
"I have turned into cheese fully. I smell of cheese. My breath smells like cheese. When does it end?" (00:11)
"I look like a ferret. I look like I've got gout. I'm disgusting with myself." (00:26)
"I'd say if I didn't walk on with half my face hanging off, they'd be like, she's getting lazy." (02:47)
"I feel like all I do at the moment is drink wine, plug shows and get treatments. I feel like there's more to life." (03:11)
"It’s LA. If you don't have a staple fall off your face at some time... it’s not..." (04:03)
"Spencer breaks a record in The Antarctic. Gets 15 views. Vlog just vlogs around Battersea park putting her makeup on and gets hundreds of thousands of views." (06:32)
"Apparently 2026 is the year of the horse and the year of the lesbian." (08:13)
"No one's… All relationships are tricky. It doesn't matter who you're riding or what you're riding." (08:45)
"It's a fundamental aspect of identity that unfolds. So yeah... Unfold yourself, see what happens." (12:43)
“I'm having my first sexual experience with another woman... I didn't get the sister's number... Please help because I feel so guilty and confused.” (10:14)
Joanne: "Oh, pursue."
Vogue: "If you want to have a little go again. Oh my God, do it again." (11:10)
Notable Mini-Quotes:
“I'd love to buy my own little house in London. I want to have a little garden and I want... a dog. It's just, it's time to mine something and raise something..." (16:35)
"I'm just so desperate to know. I'm like, you sent your parents a legal letter telling them not to contact you publicly and on your Instagram. Sorry." (18:39)
Joanne, on cosmetic treatments and public scrutiny:
"I'd say if I didn't walk on with half my face hanging off, they'd be like, she's getting lazy." (02:47)
Joanne, on “deciding to be a lesbian” for career prospects:
"You'll never get a TV show unless you start being a lesbian." (07:57)
Joanne, on relationships:
"No one's... All relationships are tricky. It doesn't matter who you're riding or what you're riding." (08:45)
Listener Email Dilemma:
“I'm having my first sexual experience with another woman... I didn't get the sister's number... Please help because I feel so guilty and confused.” (10:14)
Vogue, on pursuing feelings:
"If you're still thinking about it, maybe it might be a nice thing to just like think about again. I think it's quite exciting." (13:11)
Joanne, on future sexuality:
"Maybe in years to come, we'll all probably be bisexual. You never know. It's a spa. It's a spectrum." (15:56)
As always, Vogue and Joanne keep the tone lively, irreverent, and authentic—unafraid to poke fun at themselves or each other, discuss taboos, and gab about whatever's on their minds. The episode blends light-hearted banter with thoughtful musings about change, identity, and relationships, making it equally hilarious and sneakily insightful.
For listeners seeking laughs, comfort, and a sense that everyone is just figuring it out—this episode delivers, with a side of cheese.