MTGM EXTRA! “It’s not ALL men… HOWEVER…”

Summary

Podcast Summary

Podcast: My Therapist Ghosted Me
Episode: MTGM EXTRA! “It’s not ALL men… BUT…”
Hosts: Vogue Williams & Joanne McNally
Release Date: August 12, 2026

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Episode Overview

This "extra" episode of My Therapist Ghosted Me dives into the recurring debates around men dating significantly younger women, generational differences in gratitude, the perils of modern transport, and some NSFW comedy relating to childbirth preparation. Joanne and regular guest/co-host Daisy (no Vogue in this episode) keep their signature, unfiltered banter going with producer Joe chiming in and fact-checking in real time. The tone is irreverent, self-aware, and honest—sometimes to the point of chaos.

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Key Discussion Points & Memorable Moments

1. "It’s Not All Men… But…"

• Daisy opens by ironically referencing the old internet adage:

  "It's not all men. You're right, it's not all men. However, it seems to be a lot of them." (00:34)

• The group discusses the trend of older male celebrities dating much younger women, expressing both cynicism and resignation.
• Joanne describes her disillusionment:

  "Do you know who else I find really disappointing? ...Anthony Kiedis...and he's gone out with a 19 year old..." (09:53)

• Daisy counters by examining societal double standards, reflecting on her own hypocrisy:

  "That is your man from [Red Hot] Chili Peppers and his 19-year-old girlfriend, I'm like disgusting, hideous, inappropriate. When it's two women, I'm like adorable." (21:55)

• Joanne brings up the challenges of huge age gaps from her own perspective:

  "I just don't understand, like what am I gonna talk to, let's say a 16 year old about—how was school?" (11:03)

Notable Quote:

"Just because you can doesn't mean you should." – Spen (Joanne quoting her partner, 11:48)

Timestamps:

• Moral double standards (21:55)
• The Anthony Kiedis situation (09:53–10:41)
• Conversations with much younger partners (11:03–11:48)

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2. Age Gaps in Relationships

• The crew receives an email from a listener (a 22-year-old lesbian) who had a short-lived but memorable relationship with a woman in her 50s (20:54–21:55).
• Both Joanne and Daisy reflect on how, regardless of gender, big age differences are often more about differing life stages than anything else:

  "At 22, you're just starting out… like you’re just getting going." – Joanne (23:13)

• Daisy is candid about not being able to date someone much younger without feeling self-conscious:

  "I just couldn’t now in all good faith as a 43-year-old woman even go out with a guy in his 20s. Like no. Imagine going to meet his friends… you’d look like a creep." (23:40)

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3. Family, Parties, and Modern Lack of Gratitude

• Daisy recounts her nephew's birthday party and the lack of appreciation from the younger generation:

  "You could give them a grand and they’d be like, thanks. Full stop. The level of like appreciation, I mean, it’s not off the chart." (03:53)

• The hosts humorously compare giving kids money or gifts to just getting a 'thanks.' with no excitement (04:11–04:56).
• Joanne shares an anecdote about her son Otto running naked at a hotel:

  "He’s only just gone to shower. Hid. We couldn’t find him for 15 minutes… have you seen a naked child?" (01:24–02:18)

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4. Rules of the Road: Drunk Driving of All Kinds

• The team engages in a surprising, comic exploration of drunk driving laws as they relate to bicycles, horses, and even Barbie cars:

  "It’s illegal under the Road Traffic Act to be drunk in charge of a bicycle. You are also not allowed to be drunk in charge of a horse." – Joe (07:43)

• Daisy tells a story about a student using a Barbie car after DUI, which leads to laughter about the visual absurdity.
• MORE:

  "Never heard of [not riding a horse drunk] before in my life." – Joanne (07:55) "What about roller blades?" – Joanne (07:58)

• Tangential banter about E-scooters and public safety (06:42–08:10).

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5. Perineal Massage, Bulk-Buying Lube & Female Anatomy Comedy

• Joanne explains the "Epino" device and the awkwardness involved in preparing for childbirth, using frank language:

  "... it's this, like, thing that you put up. You're meant to do a perennial massage ... the bit between your bum and your vagina." (15:26)

• Extended riffing on anatomical terms—"perineum," "gooch," "bars" (16:06–20:38):
  • Daisy and Joanne argue about names for the perineum, ultimately settling on the terms used in medical vs. slang contexts.
• Joanne confesses to accidentally bulk-buying 500ml of lube and her embarrassment at the sight of the delivery:

  "I just had to take it and just walk away and say nothing...with my head held high. With my gooch intact and happy." (19:59)

• Daisy offers the idea of using lube for hair extensions as a plausible cover story (19:59–20:33).

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6. Audience Engagement & Closing Banter

• The hosts encourage listener feedback on the debate between "perineum/gooch/bars" terminology:

  "Please get in touch if you’re familiar with the term, with the magical terms bars and bars..." – Daisy (20:38)

• Quick plugs for Joanne's American tour and "second New York on sale on November 7th" (24:41–25:14).

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Notable Quotes (with Timestamps)

• "It's not all men. You're right, it's not all men. However, it seems to be a lot of them." – Daisy (00:34)
• "Just because you can doesn't mean you should." – Spen, relayed by Joanne (11:48)
• "If you’re a secret perv, yeah, we'll let you away with most things, but pervs are not allowed. We don’t just don’t accept pervs." – Joanne (09:53)
• "You could give them a grand and they’d be like, thanks. Full stop." – Daisy (03:53)
• "I couldn't now in all good faith as a 43-year-old woman even go out with a guy in his 20s. Like, no...you'd look like a creep." – Daisy (23:40)
• "With my head held high. With my gooch intact and happy." – Joanne (19:59)

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Conclusion

This MTGM Extra offers listeners the hosts’ usual mix of saucy, self-revealing stories and sharp social commentary—this time, focused on the weirdness of celebrity May-December romances, generational clashes, and all things perineal. Even serious topics, like gendered double standards and relationship power dynamics, are deconstructed with the duo’s trademark irreverence and candid humor, ensuring listeners get both laughs and perspectives not heard elsewhere.

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Listener Call to Action:
If you have thoughts on "gooch," "bars," or other magical perineum terms, or want to share your own stories about awkward deliveries or cross-generational romances, the hosts want to hear from you!

Transcript

[Narrator]

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[Joanne]

This is a global production.

[Daisy]

It's not. It's not all men. You're right, it's not all men. However, it seems to be a lot of them.

[Joanne]

I wouldn't ride him anymore because I think that he is now. I do think people look at it

[Daisy]

and they're like, I'd like a perineal massage, please. He's like, but you're not pregnant. None of your business. How dare you.

[Joanne]

Joe's back.

[Daisy]

He's. I can tell you now, I've been dealing with him for the last 10 minutes before you were logging in and he is not in good form.

[Joe]

I've only been at work for 90 minutes.

[Daisy]

He's got the palace.

[Joanne]

Did you go on your holidays holidays?

[Joe]

No, I didn't go on my holidays holidays. I went on my staying at home holidays. Just, you know, a holiday from the grind.

[Joanne]

Well, I mean our home holidays feel like holidays sometimes. I don't want to be. I don't want to sound ungrateful, but I. Because I'm in London now for the month of August. I was like desperately, during the heat wave, I was like, I'm going to book a hotel like for the weekend and me and the kids will go and we'll have a lovely time. They've got a kids club, they got a swimming pool. It's just like dragging your problems to another part of the country really, isn't it? The moaning. The moaning is just. And Otto, do you remember, do you remember hiding on your parents and not knowing why they got so annoyed? Otto ran out of the changing rooms naked and I was like, he's only just gone to shower. Hid. We couldn't find him for 15 minutes. I was having a breakdown and my naked and having to go around people. Have you seen a naked shown a. I'm a bad parent.

[Daisy]

I feel like we should have started this podcast. Good morning.

[Joanne]

Good morning everybody.

[Daisy]

I feel like this is a moan, a moaning episode. I had a family barbecue yesterday, so I am quite hungover. Was going to say sensitive, but. Yeah, yeah, we know what you mean.

[Joe]

Don't we?

[Daisy]

Yeah, it was a mix.

[Joanne]

It'll get her the odd time. She doesn't get hangovers, but it, it does get her the odd time. I'm surprised it was a family barbecue that managed to tip her off.

[Daisy]

It was my. It was a shared event between my nephew's 16th birthday, 15th birthday and my. I say 16 cuz my. My mom put 16 on the cake by accident. 15th birthday and my Netflix event. So she had happy birthday to my nephew and then. And Happy Netflix to Juwan and then there was a big photo of me on it and my nephew didn't get a look and it was fantastic.

[Joanne]

If that was me when I was younger.

[Daisy]

I know Dinker. My poor.

[Joanne]

Who is she?

[Daisy]

Yeah, it was actually. And I'm like the growing adult, you know what I mean? And I'm the one. Yay, my face is on the cake. He didn't get a look in anyway. It was a drink.

[Joanne]

If I was 15 and my auntie had a Netflix special, I'd be thinking Cha Ching. And I know that she gave Vogue's four year old child a load of fibers. I'm getting a load of 50 shorty.

[Daisy]

Well, as well as we know kids these days and I'm not singling out anyone in particular, but you could rev them a grand and they'd be like, thanks, full stop. The level of like appreciation, I mean, it's not off the chart.

[Joanne]

Now I will say I actually asked, I asked somebody this morning if like, when do kids start appreciating you? And he was like, well, mine are 16 and 17, so I'll let you know when it happens.

[Daisy]

Yeah, I actually said, I said to one of the, one of the children in my life who's again, I'm keeping this very broad and do bearing in mind I have a lot, a lot of children in my life. I said, when are you going to throw in an exclamation point? I would like an exclamation point after the thanks. So it feels like. So you didn't have to send it with your parents. Go a gun with your mother holding a gun to your head. Thanks, Science lighter. Thanks full stop. Okay.

[Joanne]

Yeah, the full stop is a bit aggressive, isn't it? Well, it depends how much. It depends how much you sent this

[Daisy]

is what I mean. It wouldn't.

[Joanne]

How much did you send?

[Daisy]

I could send. I could send a Lamborghini to any of these children. Thanks, full stop. Did you see your one driving just. Did you see her own driving to college in America in the Barbie car? Because she got her license taken over for a dui. It's very funny. It's just a very visually funny thing. She's. Her legs don't fit in it, so they're up out in the bonus. And she's driving. She can drive. She can. Like, she can hit the main roads

[Joanne]

in the Barbie car.

[Daisy]

A Barbie car. Like, you know the way kids have these. It's not like a car for a Barbie. Yeah, I mean, that would be.

[Joanne]

No, I know what you mean. They don't go that fast.

[Daisy]

You can fit an adult ass in the seat and then she's her legs out on either side and then she just buzzes along into college and people are now stopping her for photos and all. And this is not to lessen the crime of drink driving, but it looks really, really funny and it really made me laugh and I thought I'd share it with you. Two mountain bags tickled you. Tickled me.

[Joe]

A quick Google suggests that it's, it's not a way around it because in September 2025, a man was arrested in America for driving a similar Barbie Jeep whilst he was under the influence of alcohol. And he was arrested.

[Daisy]

Oh, yeah, Well, I suppose I remember him. And he was driving that car because he had a dui. They arrest him for. For drunk driving a Barbie car.

[Joe]

Yeah. The police said that it was a clear violation of the law. I don't know which.

[Joanne]

Well, are you allowed to. Are you allowed to drink, drive and cycle or.

[Joe]

No, I think you can't do that either. Definitely don't do that.

[Joanne]

You can't drink and cycle.

[Daisy]

Well, do you remember there was someone

[Joanne]

killed back in the day. That's all the people used to do.

[Daisy]

All those line bikes in London, Joe. They're all half cuss. Remember, they call it lime leg. The doctors in the ae because they keep driving into. They keep cycling into buses and breaking their legs open. But there was someone killed by two girls on an E scooter. Do you remember this? And they. And they had been drinking. Now, I don't know if the drinking thing had anything to do with it, but they were arrested and all because it was dangerous driving. They were up on the path and they, they, they absolutely annihilated this person and they died. So, yeah, I have to say, I

[Joanne]

cannot stand those E scooters. I know. I, I think this shows my. I, I do. I think that they're so dangerous and like, I just can't understand how people are just whizzing around on them. I saw, I saw a Man with a. With a baby in a papoose. Is that what it's called? The thing that you attach the baby to your body?

[Daisy]

Wow.

[Joanne]

And the baby is just in it. And he's flying along in this e scooter. I'm like, oh, I just don't know.

[Daisy]

We've all seen those videos with, like, 20 kids in the back of a motorbike with no helmet. No, listen, I don't get involved. Not my circus, not my monkeys.

[Joe]

It's illegal under the Road Traffic act to be drunk in charge of a bicycle. You are also not allowed to be drunk in charge of a horse.

[Joanne]

Drunk in charge of horse.

[Joe]

Can't do that. No.

[Joanne]

Never heard of that before in my life.

[Daisy]

Wow.

[Joanne]

What about roller blades? Roller blades. Is it anything that gets you around or just. I'm just wondering how I'm going to get home from the hospital after I have the baby. Because I'm definitely getting drunk immediately.

[Joe]

Generally not illegal by specific law.

[Daisy]

So just a horse.

[Joe]

Not advisable, though. You definitely can't ride a horse. I think you might be able to drive a boat, but don't do that.

[Daisy]

No, I mean, it's illegal to be

[Joanne]

carved in rollerblades anyway.

[Daisy]

There's no way you can drive a boat. Drunk Joe should look at the Murdochs.

[Joe]

No, what I just said is. Is not true. You can.

[Joanne]

Yeah, we had to. Fact. Well, did you know what? I've started watching Just Don't Drink and Leave the House. I watched the. And I text you to try and get you to watch it as well. There's a BBC kind of thing on Jared Leto, which I would like to talk about more in the main, but. Oh, oh. Not like. But, you know, I will. We'll get more into it in the main, but it's basically about Jared Leto and he, like, him going for teenage girls and it's this big, like, they uncover all this stuff about him and he's just creepy. He's not allowed to be creepy. Yeah, he's creepy.

[Daisy]

Yeah. I mean, at this stage, I mean, I don't even know, like, nothing. I like, honestly, Joe, if there was an expose on you next week, I'd be like, yeah, Grant, I mean, I just don't trust anyone anymore.

[Joe]

If there was, to be honest with you, I wouldn't.

[Daisy]

Joe, I wouldn't. I'd be like, yeah, I'd sell a story.

[Joanne]

If you watch it, you have to watch it.

[Daisy]

I will, I will. I'm just saying, Joe, don't expect any loyalty from us. Okay? If you're a weird. If you're a secret perv, yeah,

[Joanne]

We'll let you away with most things, but pervs are not allowed. We don't just don't accept perves. Do you know who else I find really disappointing? Hasn't broken the law, but really disappointing because I really like the Red Hot Chili Peppers. Anthony Kiedis. And he's like 50 or something and he's gone out with a 19 year old and it's like, dude, like what are you talking about?

[Daisy]

I've seen this. I, I just accept now that most men, most all men are drawn to. I, I'm going to be very careful how I say how you say this. Significantly younger women. That's all, that's all I'm going to say. Yeah, it is what it is. I don't think there's any getting away from it. We judge it, but it's not going away. It's not gonna, it's not gonna change.

[Joanne]

I would say I, I would have to say it's not all men because I do think that for that it's a very specific thing. Especially like, I mean, I just like, with things like that, I just, I don't understand, like what am I gonna talk to, let's say a 16 year old about how was school? Like, did you have fun in school with your friends?

[Daisy]

I know.

[Joanne]

And like what's, did you get your new pencil case? September's coming up. Like who's covering your books for you? There's nothing to. What are you talking about?

[Daisy]

It's not, it's not all men. You're right, it's not all men. However, it seems to be a lot of them. It's quite, quite, quite the number out there. And of course people like him, like rock stars like him can get away with us because no 19 year old girl wants to go now with some L ladies who's like driving a Toyota Corolla around town. Do you know what I mean? They want to be going out with a millionaire rock star who's going to treat them like a princess and they're going to have a gorgeous life. And he's cool, he's in the Red Hot Chili Peppers. Do you know what I mean? I'd ride him.

[Joanne]

I'm too old. I actually think that I, I wouldn't ride him anymore because I think that he is now. I, I do think people look at it and they're like, like, it's just like even Spany loves to ride Hot Chili Peppers. And I told him and he was like, it is just like, just because you, you can doesn't mean you should. Well, I feel like we, we talk about this like it's just. It's the same with Toby Maguire. Hell, like who it's just for. I just find it so grim. Spider Man. Spidey.

[Daisy]

Oh, what's it. Oh God.

[Joe]

He's not the current Spider Man. That's. That's very.

[Joanne]

He's gone.

[Joe]

Yeah. Because there's been a few men since then.

[Daisy]

Spider people. John.

[Joanne]

He just saying. Fighter people.

[Joe]

Yeah. Beg your pardon?

[Joanne]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

Got canceled. Done.

[Daisy]

What did Toby Maguire do?

[Joanne]

Toby Maguire has gone out with somebody who is extremely young and he's in his 50s as well. And it's just like. I didn't know there's just. But even like your mates, right, you're taking your, you're taking your significant other out to hang out with your mates and they're like, oh great, he's bringing his 19 year old bird. Like what the are we gonna talk about?

[Daisy]

I know.

[Joanne]

I'd literally be like a bag. So sitting beside her. I know I do have a friend that brings people out and I'm like, you know when, you know, it's a very fleeting romance and it's happened so many times that I'm like, I know. I don't, I don't want to invest my time in this. Yeah, I know it's going nowhere. I don't invest my time.

[Daisy]

I know. I was, I was out at the weekend and one of my friends is seeing somebody and I like that. I invested a lot of time with that person on the night. And when I was leaving, I said to my friend, if you this up, I said, I've put in four hours here. Do not make this a waste of my time. Do you know what I mean? She said, bring her back if she's.

[Joanne]

If she's.

[Daisy]

If you're bringing her out and we're putting in the hours you put in the work. If we're putting in the work as well. I want to see her again.

[Narrator]

When you're a maintenance engineer in a beverage manufacturing plant, you keep production lines moving and quality on track. Because there is no room for slowdowns. With Grainger's vast selection of high quality motors, sensors, belts and hard to find parts, you can get what you need fast and all in one place. So nothing gets in the way of getting the job done. Call 1-800-GRAINGER clickranger.com or just stop by Grainger for the ones who get it done.

[Joanne]

I had a really embarrassing moment this week so we have a lovely lady who helps us with the kids and I. I love the amber. Yeah. So anyway, so. She's just been on holidays with them. I haven't really heard much since we got back.

[Daisy]

She's healing somewhere.

[Joanne]

LAUGHS she's canceling next year's vlogs, is what she's doing. Full on. It is so full on. But I ordered this thing. I don't remember if I told you last time, right. When you're having a baby, my doctor told me to get this thing. It's called the epino. So I bought a new epino because I've lost the old epino. And it's this, like, thing that you put up. You're meant to do a perennial massage. Have you heard of that, Joe? Yes, he knows, he remembers. Right? So a perennial massage is like, to prepare you for childbirth and it's a bit between your bum and your vagina. You know that bit?

[Daisy]

Yes, I. Your verse is the technical term. Your vagina, yours.

[Joe]

It's like a little patio area.

[Joanne]

Yeah, yeah.

[Daisy]

Are you. Are you telling me about a woman's peridium? I, I. You do apologize, Jo. I think you might have forgotten yourself.

[Narrator]

Okay?

[Daisy]

You can't mansplain a virus to me.

[Joe]

It wasn't an explanation for you, it was by way of imagery for someone who's listening, who might not have experience.

[Joanne]

Well, men have it, but they call it the gooch. It's called the gooch for a man, isn't it?

[Daisy]

It's called the bars, folk. It's called the bars.

[Joanne]

It's a cute boss.

[Daisy]

Between the bollocks and the arse. Hello.

[Joanne]

Is that between the balls and the horse?

[Daisy]

These are magical terms, guys.

[Joanne]

It's the gooch, anyway.

[Daisy]

Absolutely not. The gooch. Okay, hold on, I'm going to ask Claude.

[Joanne]

It's. It is the. I've. Did you make up, Boris, or is that real?

[Daisy]

That's a medical term.

[Joe]

Well, it's.

[Daisy]

Okay, fine, it's not like in the, in the books, but I'm pretty sure it's used in the whole hospitals.

[Joanne]

Hold on.

[Daisy]

A man.

[Joanne]

I hate the bars.

[Daisy]

I know, it's gross. Listen, you brought it up with your perennial massages. Now that I know the name of it, I'm gonna ask my masses to give me. I didn't. I never wanted to ask him to do the bars because I felt it was. I can give it a medical term, a proper term, like, I mean, I'd like a perennial massage, please. He's like, but you're not pregnant. That's none of your business.

[Joanne]

Did you look it up? Did you have the gooch there?

[Daisy]

What is gooch on a man? Oh yeah. Oh my God. Here we go. Is a slack. My. My chachi beauty doesn't say oh, that's an interesting question anymore because it just wants nothing to do with me.

[Joanne]

So they usually.

[Daisy]

It's really nice the start

[Joanne]

this scumbag is back.

[Daisy]

I wondering. I've hit cuz it's very rude to me now. Anyway. Is a slang term for the perennium, the area of skin and tissue between the gentles and the anus. For a man, the gooch is the area between the scrotums and the anus. It's a normal part of the anatomy and contains muscles.

[Joanne]

So I bought this thing and you basically it's like a balloon and you put it into your vagina and you do your kegels on it and it gets you ready for childbirth in the hope that you won't then tear your premium. But yeah, before I got that it was suggested that you get got your partner to help you with a perineum massage. And I couldn't think of anything I would like fucking less than spending going there and massaging my perineum. I just would rather. I'd rather just deal with the consequences. Then I came across the Epino. Anyway, I bought the epino and you have to buy lube to go with it, which is separate. So I bought the lube and I just. I had said to this girl, I was like, don't open the Amazon packages because obviously I knew the lube was in there. And I was like I can't then explain what the lube is for. And it wasn't just a small thing, a lube because obviously I'm trying to get the best money for what I'm buying. And the one that I bought was like 500 milliliters. Now I don't need it.

[Daisy]

You are a working woman. You do not need to bulk buy lube.

[Joanne]

But I don't want to run out. And it was, it was on offer. The large one was on offer.

[Daisy]

Backing up to the house. Beep, beep, beep.

[Joanne]

Anyway, I got home, I got home after my weekend away and there is the huge, enormous. And it actually has a little like squeezy thing because it's got so much. It's so big that you just like do it like a shower gel. Squeeze, squeeze, squeeze. The big thing of lube just sitting on the table and I. What could I do? I just had to take it and Just walk away and say nothing other than I have with your head held high. With my gooch intact and happy, I would just.

[Daisy]

But also, you know that I was recommended to use lube to take out my hair extension. So if, if push comes to shove, you can always. If you were in, if we were in a, in an eye to eye situation, you did feel you needed to explain yourself and you were a bit embarrassed about having that dry a vagina, you could say you were using it for your hair extensions. Life hack. By the way, can I just say on the gooch thing, in medical settings, healthcare providers usually call it the perennium rather than the gooch. Not always. You'll notice they said usually

[Joanne]

no one's saying the Boris. That's literally a Joanne McNally phrase.

[Daisy]

Sorry listeners, please get in touch if you're familiar with the term, with the magical terms bars and bars, because I'm telling you now, they will be, they will be.

[Joanne]

Okay.

[Daisy]

Yeah.

[Joanne]

I've got emails for you.

[Daisy]

Oh, do you? Okay, fine.

[Joanne]

Hey girls. And Joe, I'm a huge fan. Was listening to the part about, and the story about the guy being good looking and a ride and it reminded me about someone I hooked up with. To give you some context, I'm a 22 year old lesbian from Dublin and I was going through a bad breakup last year when I met the most beautiful woman I've ever seen. A few drinks later, we're flirting and touching like we're the only people in the world. I thought she was 30ish, but as I said before, the most beautiful woman ever. And I'm known to date older people, so I didn't care. After having the best sex and the best night and sex of my life. There was one fault, which was our age. She was 52 and I was 21. We both decided because it was amazing that we couldn't give a shit. But with the age difference, it didn't last long. I think about her every day. She was amazing and funny. Honestly, she was everything I was looking for. But that one fault ruined it. So I hope that girl who's seen that guy worked it out with him. Thanks for all the laughs for the last few years. You guys are amazing.

[Daisy]

I will acknowledge my hypocrisy in this situation. And that is your man from Chili Red Hot Chili peppers and his 9 to 9 girlfriend. I'm like disgusting, hideous, inappropriate. When it's two women, I'm like adorable. We support. I pray it works because it just feels different.

[Joanne]

I still feel the same. I still feel like the reason that this didn't happen is because she was 52 and she kind of knew that. It's just 22 is a, it's a bit young. It's, it is, it's, it is a bit full on and it's not that. Yeah, I would feel the same.

[Daisy]

It's more just. I hear this isn't going to work. It's less about what people would think. I think with two women and also obviously if they didn't cop. There was such a big an age difference there. Physically obviously doesn't look like there's such a big age difference but it does come down to lifestyle and where you are in your life and like 22, I mean, my God, I, I think I was still living at home at 22. No, I think it was in Australia. Anyway, my point is I was no way in a position to, to build a life with the woman in her 50s or well, a man. I could have really, because they're easier.

[Joanne]

I just feel like just that there's just such a, it's just too. I was saying this to Spen yesterday because I was again talking about Anthony Keita's to spend but I was like, it's just if, if it's like a 35 year old going out with an, like a 75 year old, it's just different because at least when you're 30, like you've kind of got to a point in your life where you've like, you've been through so much but when you're 22, you're just, you're just starting out. Like you're just getting going.

[Daisy]

Like I couldn't now in all good faith as a 43 year old woman even go out with a guy in his 20s. Like no. Imagine going to meet his friends and all. Like you just look like a creep. You'd look, you would look weird. Like it would look odd. And even though I, I don't think it's the same for women and men and I do think women are allowed to do whatever they want and I've said that repeatedly and I have no shame in it, but I wouldn't be getting involved a lot as young as that now. I just wouldn't. I, I'd be embarrassed. Like I would be, I'd be embarrassed it was a woman. I think it might be a little bit different, but probably not great. And not a great look either.

[Joanne]

Yeah.

[Daisy]

And also, can I just say, you're thinking about her every day because nothing happened. It never had a chance to go tits up. But trust me, it will have. It would have everyone its course anyway. Everything does.

[Joanne]

And that's all from our positive palm.

[Daisy]

Yeah. Good morning.

[Joanne]

Good morning.

[Daisy]

Good morning. And good, good bitching. And do let us know about the arson. Do let us know about if there's any doctors out there. Do drop us a line regarding the Virus Bar situation. Also, I'm on. I'm on tour in America. I'm going everywhere. Check the website. And I have a second New York on sale on November 7th. Not if anyone's still listening to this.

[Joanne]

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