MTGM EXTRA! "Lesbian circularity..."

Summary

My Therapist Ghosted Me – MTGM EXTRA! "Lesbian circularity..."

Hosts: Vogue Williams & Joanne McNally
Date: April 22, 2026
Episode Theme: Unfiltered friendship, pregnancy announcements, social media drama, and the chaos of “lesbian circularity.”

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Episode Overview

In this lively bonus episode, best friends and co-hosts Vogue Williams and Joanne McNally catch up about Vogue’s new pregnancy (her fourth), the surreal world of social media rumors, celebrity breakups, and a particularly hilarious listener email explaining “lesbian circularity.” True to form, the pair share personal updates, roast each other (and their partners), unpack pop culture drama, and respond to listener stories with wit, irreverence, and no shortage of tangents.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Pregnancy Reveal and Friendship Banter

• The episode opens with the revelation that Vogue is pregnant with her fourth child. Joanne humorously wishes she’d been told more discreetly.
  • Vogue: “You know I’m not discreet. I don’t know what you were expecting.” (00:39)
  • Joanne: “I thought you were going to be a little more discreet. If I'm honest, Vogue.” (00:32)
• Joanne jokingly claims to be the surrogate for Vogue’s baby, detailing a fictitious financial arrangement and poking fun at tabloid rumors.
• Vogue admits she attempted to keep the pregnancy private, feeling that fewer people care the fourth time around, and shares her personal reasons for waiting before making it public.
  • Vogue: “I just wanted to keep it for as long as I could before coming out and saying it…making sure everything’s okay.” (06:26)

2. Modern Motherhood & Expectations

• Discussion about changing attitudes to working while pregnant; Vogue insists she’s not incapacitated and will keep working.
  • Joanne: “You are incapacitated and I don’t even have any children.” (09:28)
  • Vogue: “Pregnant people aren’t incapacitated anyway.” (09:18)
• Joanne lobbies for maternity leave, gas and air during labor, and more podcast downtime—all denied by Vogue.

3. Social Media Rumors & ‘Breakup’ Culture

• Ongoing social media speculation about Vogue and Spencer’s (her husband) relationship is dissected. Vogue shares that not posting about her anniversary in November sparked breakup rumors, which she finds absurd.
  • Vogue: “I’m not just gonna randomly post about being married to Spencer in November. That is the month I post about my dead dad. It’s sacred.” (12:43)
• Joanne waxes philosophical about public apology trends and the weird pull of influencer drama:
  • Joanne: “My Insta algorithm is set to public statements and apologies… I don’t know what this is, but I’m in.” (13:26)

4. The ‘Call Her Daddy’/Alex Earl/Brianna ‘Chicken Shop’ Drama

• The pair discuss the escalating feud between podcast personalities Alex Cooper and Alex Earl, plus the ripple effects among their mutuals.
  • Joanne: “Alex Cooper, Alex Earl—have we heard?… It’s all real girl-on-girl crime, very American… They’re all these blonde, kind of high-titted women… while it brings out the worst and lowest in me because I’m like, oh my God, who cares? Read a novel. In the same breath.” (14:09)
  • Vogue: “Honestly, the publicity surrounding it is just incredible.” (16:16)
• Mutual admissions that, while they see the toxicity and triviality, they’re unable to look away, promising a future deep dive on the saga.

5. Celebrity & Parasocial Knowledge

• Both admit knowing too much about the personal lives of celebrities.
  • Vogue: “I’ve no idea why I care. I don’t know why I know all of Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt’s kids' names…” (19:28)
  • Joanne: “If you had any information on the divorce between Brad Pitt and Angelie, you would know it was bigger than World War II…” (19:46)

6. Listener Letter: “Lesbian Circularity”

• A listener email provides an inside look at the “circular” nature of lesbian dating circles—everybody has dated everybody, leading to overlapping romantic entanglements.
  • Listener: “We all share each other. I think the easiest way to describe would be to use Vogue’s many ex-husbands as an example…” (20:46)
• The listener humorously details that after dating Girl A and then Girl B, Girl A and Girl B ended up together, and later, exes of each ended up dating as well.
  • Joanne, trying to keep up: “I was genuinely writing that down and I’ve completely lost track.” (24:31)
• The hosts draw parallels to small-town dating and cite the Icelandic dating app used to avoid dating relatives, laughing at the absurdity.
• Joanne: “Women calling each other mean on the Internet is, I’m gonna go so far as to say, pathetic.” (19:18)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

Opening Banter & Spenny’s Nakedness

• Joanne: “Spencer was bollock naked, basically pointing his penis at the camera in a kind of a violent, aggressive way.” (01:24)
• Vogue: “You’re going to wish you had a semi when this goes up on YouTube…” (02:18)

On the Allure of Internet Drama

• Joanne: “There’s a part of me that’s like, this is below me, but there’s a bigger part that’s like, stick it to my veins.” (16:01)
• Vogue: “You might have headlines written about us like, before I announced the baby… about the breakup… (11:46)

Reflections on Modern Friendships

• Joanne (on pregnancy): “Spencer was still napping in the wet patch and you were like, I’m pregnant.” (05:53)
• Vogue: “I get this. It’s not my first rodeo.” (06:26)

On Small Dating Pools

• Joanne: “Howth should have that app that Iceland has to see are you riding anyone who’s actually DNA connected to you…” (21:19)
• Producer: “Helping users avoid accidentally dating relatives by bumping phones together to check.” (21:55)

Closing Thoughts

• Vogue: “Women are allowed to be mean… You never hear Russell Crowe outing, doing a smack talk against Brad Pitt for being mean.” (18:54)

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Important Segments & Timestamps

• 00:32-03:36 – Spenny’s nakedness, opening laughs, and banter about sending risqué photos
• 03:45-06:53 – Vogue’s pregnancy announcement & why she kept it private
• 07:50-08:50 – Keeping pregnancy under wraps and media speculation
• 11:46-13:26 – Social media, tabloid rumors, and the public’s appetite for breakup stories
• 13:55-17:28 – “Call Her Daddy” podcast feud and online drama analysis
• 19:28-19:54 – Addiction to celebrity gossip despite recognizing its triviality
• 20:15-25:07 – Listener story explaining “lesbian circularity” and the overlaps in dating life
• 21:19-22:05 – Icelandic incest-avoidance app tangent
• 25:30-end – Light wrapping up, thanks to listeners, playful jabs about exes and being “part of the problem”

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Episode Tone & Atmosphere

Unfiltered, self-deprecating, and fast-paced; Vogue and Joanne riff on everything from personal milestones to internet scandals to the quirks of queer dating, never missing an opportunity for a joke, a gentle roast, or a bit of mockery at their own expense. Their chemistry and quick wit keep the conversation engaging and relatable, making the episode a highly entertaining snapshot of friendship, pop culture, and social observation.

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For Next Time

They tease a deeper “investigative” look into podcast world feuds (pending more “receipts” from Alex Earl) and commit to keeping listeners updated on both celebrity and personal drama—with signature irreverence.

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Transcript

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[Joanne McNally]

This is a global player original podcast. I thought you were going to be a little more discreet. If I'm honest folk, I thought this, you know.

[Vogue Williams]

You know, I'm not discreet. I don't know what you're expecting.

[Joanne McNally]

And while it brings out the worst and the lowest in me, because I'm like, oh, my God, who cares? Read a novel in the same breath.

[Vogue Williams]

I care.

[Joe]

Do you know the deets? Do you know the deets? Joe, do you know the deets? Do you know the deets?

[Vogue Williams]

I'm not just going to randomly post about being married to Spencer in no, November. That is the month I post about my dead dad.

[Joanne McNally]

Women calling each other mean on the Internet is. I'm gonna go so far as to say pathetic. Hello, welcome to the bonus episode of My Therapist Ghosted me with me. Drum McNally, Vogue, Williams Vogue. I can see Spencer's ready.

[Vogue Williams]

We can see you're naked again. This is on YouTube.

[Joanne McNally]

He knows. This man knows exactly what I'm doing, what he's doing. Just for the listeners. I logged in. I was logged in. But Vogue, there was something wrong. My camera and I hadn't kind of registered I was here yet. And Spencer was bollock naked, like, basically pointing his penis at the camera in a kind of a violent, aggressive way.

[Vogue Williams]

I couldn't have been more in the camera.

[Joanne McNally]

And you said, stop, stop. They're going to be on soon. And I was like, no, no, no, I'm. I'm here, I'm here. Blinded by the light. Blinded by the light.

[Vogue Williams]

Of course, Spano, he's. He's got running, running penis, which isn't his best.

[Joanne McNally]

No, no, no, no, no. I'm not going to. I'm not going to cast judgment. What I will say is there was a.

[Vogue Williams]

Here he comes back. Here he goes.

[Joanne McNally]

Collided with himself. A significant.

[Vogue Williams]

I'm sorry you had to see that. Okay, I'll make sure that next time I've got at least a semi on. All right.

[Joanne McNally]

Thank you. I would.

[Vogue Williams]

You're going to wish you had a semi when this goes up on. On YouTube. Because we're putting up the whole dick.

[Joanne McNally]

To be fair, he was actually cover. He was covering it.

[Vogue Williams]

I don't mind. Oh, you were. Did you see any dick?

[Joanne McNally]

No, he had his hand over it.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, he shouldn't see it. Trace it down please. I think my. But I think we're recording now. I don't think they're yours, darling.

[Joanne McNally]

I think he just hand over us if he didn't. He's got a thumb for a penis.

[Vogue Williams]

He's a shower. He's a shower. He is a shower.

[Joanne McNally]

A significant timeline that, that, that man has clearly been in Saint Bar for six months.

[Vogue Williams]

I am not somebody to send an unsolicited dick pic. I wouldn't do something like that. So I'm just wondering, is it okay for me to send you a full on picture of Spanies when it's like on a semi? Can I send you a semi pic? Is that okay?

[Joanne McNally]

I'll be honest, folk, it's. It's a while I haven't. I like to receive post. I'm traditional in that regard. Something physical picture. Well, yeah, it's nice. It'd be nice to get something through the post that isn't from the revenue. So. Yes, that will be sweet.

[Vogue Williams]

Framed or unframed? Unframed. If you wouldn't mind. Framing is quite expensive, as you know.

[Joanne McNally]

Well, I, I. The second that, the second that came out of your mouth, I knew you were going to realize that was going to be an additional cost that you weren't willing to provide. So. I know I said I, I, this is. I knew that I'd be framing it myself.

[Producer]

Perhaps just get it laminated.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, that's laminated.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, like a key or it turned into a key ring.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, I could get you a. Oh, Joan, hello. I could get a printed on a pillow. You're welcome.

[Joanne McNally]

I have some news. I have some news just.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, fantastic.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah. I would like to announce to our listeners and any news papers that I have a surrogate.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh yeah? Who's that?

[Joanne McNally]

Well, it was supposed to be anonymous until she went like a purse trap on the beach and announced it herself to try and get the traction back towards her. It's you, Vogue. As you know, I paid you good money to have an anonymous child for me and now you just ripped it up in the Daily Mail with your own announcement. Pushing your belly against Spencer's. It's not even his sperm, as you know. I got it from Denmark. It's nothing to do with him.

[Vogue Williams]

It's nothing to do with either of us. Actually, this is completely down to Joanne. I'm a mere carrier for her.

[Joanne McNally]

You are a carrier for my egg Magaluf. If anyone's been to the show, they know that I'm in the market to have a child called Magaluf McNally. And we were going to. I thought you were going to be a little more discreet. If I'm honest folk.

[Vogue Williams]

I thought this, you know. You know, I'm not discreet. I don't know what you're expecting. I obviously was going to get a bit of traction for it myself before I handed it over, so.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, I know. Well, I would like some of the money back because there was some of that money did go into some level of anonymity. I was, I was going to try and pull off the French baby myself.

[Vogue Williams]

Okay, well, you can forget about the hello shoot. I'm not doing the hello shoot for you. You can forget about it. We're not going to be holding hands on the COVID of hello anymore. So if you're going to take money back, I'm not having it. Okay.

[Joanne McNally]

I want to be on the banner of the Daily Mail. They're so brutal where they take people on and off. That banner of the Daily Mail. It's awful. It's so mean. Congratulations. Vogue is having a sixth child.

[Vogue Williams]

Yes, I am. It's very exciting news. I. Joanne has thankfully forgotten many times I told you on when I was, I think I was like minus a week pregnant. And I told Joanne and she keeps forgetting, which is just fantastic news for me. I've had to tell you on. I've had to tell her this is four times.

[Joanne McNally]

Spencer was still napping in the wet patch and you were like, I'm pregnant. And I was like, oh, my God. Amazing news. Amazing news. And then I kept forgetting because I. I don't see you physically anymore, which is so sad because we're traveling all the time. And also I guess because it's not your first pregnancy, I don't know why it just kept you and you don't really talk about it that much.

[Vogue Williams]

No, because I feel like it's the fourth pregnancy and there's not as many people care

[Joanne McNally]

for the baby.

[Vogue Williams]

It's not really sad because I had my time. Do you know what I mean? Like, I've gone on to my fourth child. I get this. It's not my first rodeo and I'm really happy about it. But I also, like, I have this thing where I just, like, I have my own reasons for not wanting to. To like, I just wanted to keep it for as long as I could before coming out and saying it. Firstly, because I don't really think anyone cares that much. And secondly, I just have reasonings for wanting just making sure everything's okay. You know what I mean?

[Joanne McNally]

Of course. And also there's a lot of drama when people announce pregnancies and you don't want to go too soon and it's all in your own time and when you feel safe and ready, you know. Although I did.

[Vogue Williams]

I didn't really feel. I didn't feel that ready. I didn't really want to. I was going to try and hold it for a little while longer, but it was good. Got it. Got it was the, the, the boobs probably gave me away a lot.

[Joanne McNally]

Well, I want to say that I acknowledge that I'm part of the problem because now when I say I forgot. I kept forgetting she was pregnant just to make me not sound like an absolute sociopath. It was that we. She told me she was. I knew, obviously knew you were pregnant. But then we'd make plans and I'm like oh my God, yeah, we'll go for pre drinks here and blah blah, blah. She's like, you want to pregnant. I was like, so it wasn't that like she had to keep telling me. It wasn't like she's pronouncing it to me like your mom. No, no, no, no from memento or like it's not got a 7 second mem dates where she has to.

[Vogue Williams]

You're not going to even notice.

[Joanne McNally]

But it just kept slipping my mind. I would say it just kept slipping my mind. But in the same breath you were away somewhere. Where were you? Or I seem in St. Barts and you were wearing something a little revealing and I was like oh my God, she looks pregnant. Straight to tattle.

[Vogue Williams]

She's pregnant.

[Joanne McNally]

She's pregnant. She's back. I would have, I would have been, I would have been screen grabbing and sending it to friends for no out of nosiness. I would have been like she look. I don't know how you got away with it. She looks, she look to me. You're like, you look pregnant because you're always quite small. And I was like the rack is. The rack is back. The rack is back. Yeah.

[Vogue Williams]

I nearly was going to take the rack into, into like a surgeon and be like this is the rack. I want like just make this happen at this stage because I'm quite happy. It's. It's like it's so strange to have boobs. It's such a weird feeling. But I kind of like it.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, of course. It's empowering. It's like me with my hair.

[Vogue Williams]

Somebody was like, how many. How many sunflower seeds are you eating? I like bucket loads. I'm like a bird. It's all I eat. Yeah.

[Joanne McNally]

I'm on a drip. So during the night I'm still being forest fed. Sunflower seeds, obviously. Now you're pregnant. This. Pregnant. This is huge news. Two questions.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah.

[Joanne McNally]

Am I finally gonna get the maternity leave that I deserve?

[Vogue Williams]

I'm sorry, John. It's actually probably going to be worse than before because I really am trying to prove a point that. That pregnant people aren't in incapacitated anyway.

[Joanne McNally]

But you are Vogue. You are incapacitated and I don't even have any children. I.

[Vogue Williams]

Listen, I've invited you to the labor. That's enough for you. You're getting gas and air. I'm giving you a treat this time around because it is most definitely the last time. So you can come in. I've already asked the doctor. She said, yeah, you, Frank, come in. And I. I haven't mentioned the gas and air, obviously, but you're allowed in.

[Joanne McNally]

Well, that was my next question.

[Vogue Williams]

Well, yes, I have. You are. You're already on the list.

[Joanne McNally]

My two great hopes for this pregnancy. No. 3, obviously healthy baby, healthy baby, 10 fingers, 10 times healthy baby, blah, blah, blah. So we know it's not AI because if it's got more than that, then people will know it's AI. And the other thing is, I would like you to incapacitate yourself for a couple of weeks so me and Joe can enjoy the. Whenever the baby's due some. Some time off. And also I. I do want a little token the gas in her.

[Vogue Williams]

I'll tell you what, if the baby comes early and it's at a time where not as many people are listening, I'll consider two weeks off. But if not, I'm afraid I shall be recording from.

[Joanne McNally]

Here we go again. She's going to be clutten cutting the placenta on YouTube. Me and J gonna be sitting there in the horrors we're booked in to

[Producer]

record a bonus episode between contractions.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, perfect.

[Vogue Williams]

Perfect.

[Joanne McNally]

I'm like, no Vogue. You always read the emails. It's not my job. Anyway, listen, congratulations. And I'm not gonna say what gender I wanted to be because.

[Vogue Williams]

But I know what that is.

[Joanne McNally]

No, no, I would.

[Vogue Williams]

And you also. Do you not remember what it is? I told you what it was.

[Joanne McNally]

I do remember. I'm just saying to be diplomatic, I would be happy with the Hybrid baby bit about.

[Vogue Williams]

Okay, well, I will work on it. I will work on that hybrid for you. The great thing about Joanne forgetting and her being away is that, like, she won't find me boring. And you know the way people are like, oh, she's still pregnant. So I've held it in long enough that I feel like I won't be annoying. Also, do you know what? I don't know. You might have, like, there's headlines that are being written about us. Like, before I announced the baby. No, not about you. Me, about. Oh, God, and the breakup. The breakup. The breakup is still there. Oh, there's.

[Joanne McNally]

You say oh, cl. I assume it's us, not you and him.

[Vogue Williams]

It's. It's the other. It's the last important to us. It's the other us. It's not you and I. But. But all the breakup stuff is. Is still there. It's like any headline that's written about Spenny and I, it's like, oh, they're. They're. They're trying to get through Marvel and it's like, sorry. And I figured out. So I know where it's arisen from because I've read it. So they've. They've said the rumors have come from when Vogue forgot to mark her anniversary, her seventh anniversary with Spencer in November. First of all, we didn't get married in, in November, nor did we get together in November. So I. I'm not just going to randomly post about being married to Spencer in November. That is the month I post about my dead dad.

[Joanne McNally]

Exactly.

[Vogue Williams]

It's sacred.

[Joanne McNally]

It's called. It's called social strategy. Okay, okay. It's called social media strategy. Vogue.

[Vogue Williams]

Can I just say I can't post about it because my mom even hates my dad and death. I'm like, jesus, mom, he's paid the ultimate price. Can I. Closed.

[Joanne McNally]

Nope.

[Vogue Williams]

Now that is how you hold a grudge.

[Joanne McNally]

She's offline for nine days. Poor Freddy, spinning in his grave. Listen, I've said it before and I'll say it again. Sandra knows how to hold a grudge. It's one of the most impressive things about her. But you know the way you're always the. The breakup accusations, etc.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah.

[Joanne McNally]

Would you not like. Do you know what I'd love? Because I love any sort. Is it my algorithm? I've said this before. My insta algorithm is very much set to public statements and apologies. So, yeah, I could. I could. I could. I could come across somebody. They're like. I just want to say, like, officially here I've, I've read the rumors, I've heard the accusations, and they'll have seven followers, but I'm in. I'm like, I don't know what this is, but I'm in. And then I'll try and go down and find out what the drama was.

[Vogue Williams]

So I should use it to my advantage.

[Joanne McNally]

I'm saying there's all that stuff going on at the moment, but Alex Cooper, Alex Earl. Have we heard? Have we heard?

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, wait, of course we've heard. But like, we're waiting. We're waiting.

[Joe]

You know, do you know the deeds? Do you know the deeds? Joe, do you know the deeds? Do you know the deeds?

[Producer]

Give me the deets.

[Joanne McNally]

Alex Cooper hosts, call her daddy Alex Earl. Big tick tock person. Alex. Alex Cooper had a fallout with her previous podcast wife, who's now got a book coming out, a memoir about the whole thing. They've all worked for Barstool. Alex Cooper hired Alex Earl on her podcast channel. There, there's been a fallout. It's all real girl on girl crime, very American. Everyone looks the same. They're all these blonde, kind of high titted women. They're all stunning and gorgeous. They're all kind of scrapping online and while it brings out the worst and the lowest in me because I'm like, oh my God, who cares? Read a novel. In the same breath.

[Vogue Williams]

So bad.

[Joanne McNally]

Exactly, exactly. In the same breath you're in and you want to find out what's going on and everyone's issue statements and apologies and I just feel like Vogue, you could get us a little bit of that traction because their instas and tiktoks are popping like it's hot.

[Vogue Williams]

Do you know what I could do? I could just say, yeah, you know what, you're right, we're broken up. We have broken up. And then the headlines will be like, oh, they, they're the most amicable couple ever. And we're just there like scoring each other on the street, like snogging away. And everyone's like, oh, they're broken up. How amicable of them. So I might as well actually just join in on it and be like, yeah, actually, you're right, we have broken up.

[Joanne McNally]

If you ever do break up, I want the exclusive.

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[Joanne McNally]

On the Alex Cooper, Alex Earl of it, I think we should do a bit of a deep dive. Even though there's a part of me that's like, this is below me, but there's a bigger part that's like, stick it to my veins.

[Vogue Williams]

Joanne, I've already done a massive deep dive on this. I am knee deep in that situation.

[Joanne McNally]

Oh, well, I forgot. I'm ankle deep. I'm. I'm. I'm toady. There's not any.

[Vogue Williams]

You're only. You're only left. Oh, my God. Well, I'm only at the knees. I'm ready to go in more, but there's a. I'm waiting. I can't go full. I can't go full in until I know what Alex Earl is going to come back and say because she hasn't brought the receipts back. And where are the receipts? We need to see it. Alex Cooper has some receipts about this other girl who's now waged in on the war. I mean, I want to get involved. Like, the publicity surrounding it is just incredible.

[Joanne McNally]

Sorry. I've just realized that I presented ankle deep as deeper than knee deep, when actually it's.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, I thought you were. Well, no, because I was working on the assumption that you had gone in head first. No, it was only the toes left. That's how I was working it out there. So I thought that you were deeper than I was. While you were running at the feet,

[Joanne McNally]

while you were talking, there I was like, Joanne.

[Vogue Williams]

No, no, no.

[Joanne McNally]

That made no sense what you said there.

[Vogue Williams]

It made total sense to me because I thought you had dove in, so I thought you only had the toes left to go in, whereas you're saying you stepped in. So.

[Joanne McNally]

Okay, well, I'm. I am eyed. Eyed. They're eye deep. There's nothing left. Scalp, Couple of grace up the grays. A couple of grays at the top. That's all you can see. I am immersed. Immersed. And chicken stir fries involved.

[Vogue Williams]

Now, that's your one.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah.

[Vogue Williams]

I can't remember her. Chicken shop.

[Joanne McNally]

No, but Brianna, chicken stir fries involved. Now, she went out with that country western singer. Like, the whole thing is. It's so toxic. And you know what? I will actually say it's pathetic. Like, I would never in my wildest dreams air my dirty laundry like that. I think it's awful. I think it's the Lowest of the low. And women, they're literally professional women calling each other mean. Who cares? Who cares?

[Vogue Williams]

Like, I know, but it's. It's kind of. It's kind of childish. Use a better word. You're so mean.

[Joanne McNally]

Women are mean. Sometimes women are mean. Sometimes women are mean. You think that women can never be mean sometimes or never prioritize their business. It's so. It's so juvenile. But in the same breaths.

[Vogue Williams]

We're all over us.

[Joanne McNally]

We're all over. Like a rat up a drain pipe.

[Vogue Williams]

Hopefully for next week's record, we'll have the receipts from Alec Darl, and then we can do our proper deep dive on it. Not that we care. We don't care.

[Joanne McNally]

We don't care.

[Vogue Williams]

But we're gonna spend an entire episode on it.

[Joanne McNally]

I'll have a PowerPoint presentation. And that's why I know we are part of the problem. But in the same breath, calling women mean. It's. It's. We're not. It's. It's. It doesn't bode well for anyone. You know, no. Women are allowed to be made. You never hear men calling it. You'd never hear Russell Crowe outing doing a smack talk against Brad Pitt for being mean.

[Vogue Williams]

Like, you just wouldn't Russell Crowe come

[Joanne McNally]

from, I don't know, Australia. Australia. Australia.

[Vogue Williams]

Did you want me into him?

[Joanne McNally]

Is he New Zealand? Where is he from? Australia.

[Vogue Williams]

He's Australia. He's Australian block. Do you not remember? He was. He lived in my apartment block. A dear friend.

[Joanne McNally]

I do remember. It's your dinner party story. Of course I remember

[Vogue Williams]

all the time.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah.

[Vogue Williams]

Close as anything.

[Joanne McNally]

There was a vibe. That was just the point I wanted to make. And we will do a deeper dive on it that I think women calling each other mean on the Internet is. I'm gonna go so far as to say pathetic.

[Vogue Williams]

I've no idea why I care. I don't know why. I know all of Angelina Jolie and Brady pits kids names. I don't know why I know these things, but I do. And I find myself just being interested in things that like, I wish I just like read a book about World War II or something, but I just find sorry stuff more interesting.

[Joanne McNally]

Well, I'm sorry now.

[Vogue Williams]

If you.

[Joanne McNally]

If you had any information on the divorce dream, Brad Pitt and Angie and Joni, you would know it was bigger than World War II. There was a whole vineyard. They had to split up and it

[Vogue Williams]

was toxic as I even know what the wine was called from the vineyard. And I don't like wine. That's how invested I was. Okay. Hey, girls. And Joe, I think it's time we lesbian community let Vogue, Joanne and Joe in on just how chaotic the lesbian world can be. I would like to say I'm very involved in the lesbian world already. I know lots about it. I have a lesbian sister. You are always saying how much easier you both think it would be to navigate the lesbian world as opposed to the world of straight men. But let me tell you something. It's horror.

[Joanne McNally]

I'll interrupt you there just because you've a lesbian sister. My brother's an accountant and I am numerically dyslexic, so it doesn't give you any expertise. Carry on, please.

[Vogue Williams]

I would disagree. I know, I know. We're very close. Okay, not that close.

[Joanne McNally]

I got to work with him. Yeah, I know. Exactly.

[Vogue Williams]

You do work with him, do you? Yeah.

[Joanne McNally]

Bring in his lunch boxes.

[Vogue Williams]

She absolutely loves her timetables. Cannot get enough of them. Absolutely adores it. Wants to take on her own taxes next year, so she says. This is a concept I like to call lesbian circularity. Basically, we all share each other. I knew that one.

[Joanne McNally]

So did I. I've said this a million times. I've said it.

[Vogue Williams]

I'm from Howth. We all share each other there too. If. If all of my friends. We used to. It just was like a circular thing. The boys would be. Wait until somebody broke up with somebody, then you'd go out with them. It was just the circle.

[Joanne McNally]

How should have that app that Iceland has to see. Are you riding anyone who's actually DNA connected to. You know, Iceland has that app. Yeah, there's an app in Iceland. Yes, Joe. Joe, yes. Joke. Yeah, I can see her little doubt and bd.

[Producer]

I'm just. I'm amused by it. I didn't know it was a thing.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, there's an app there because it's a very tiny.

[Vogue Williams]

I think it's Iceland, and Iceland is small.

[Joanne McNally]

When you meet someone, you can put your bits and bobs into this app and it'll tell you if you are genetically related. And I basically. Are you gonna have weird kids?

[Producer]

It includes genealogical data for over 95 of the population, helping users avoid accidentally. Accidentally dating relatives by bumping phones together to check.

[Vogue Williams]

I can't stand when you date a relative by accident. It's so embarrassing, isn't it?

[Joanne McNally]

It's all very annoying. This is what it's going to be like on Mars.

[Vogue Williams]

Okay, so this is a concept we call lesbian circularity. Basically, we all share each other. I think the easiest way to describe to Be would to use Vogue's many ex husbands as an example. When. Okay, when Vogue does.

[Joanne McNally]

I'm listening. I'm in.

[Vogue Williams]

When Vogue divorced husband one and got with husband two, she didn't have to do her research to see if 1 and 2 had been together before. Or so I'd hope.

[Joanne McNally]

Oh, I didn't think about that part.

[Vogue Williams]

I think that's like you're just. Maybe I did have to do my research. You don't know. You don't know what they're into. But that's what us lesbians have to do all the time. See, in the lesbian world, it goes full circle. Number one got with Vogue, who then got with number two. But as far as it goes, it's linear. But in the gay world, circular. So imagine Vogue gets with number one and with number two, but number two could also get with number one. Do you see the predicament? And given the fact the pool is so much smaller, this tends to happen a lot. It does. I dated a girl a few years ago. Let's call her girl A. We dated. This feels very forensic. I love it. We dated a couple of months. We weren't exclusive, so we're still dating other people. Enter girl B. Now, in my mind, that would be very un. Lesbian.

[Joanne McNally]

Of course, Girl B. I'm. Right. I'm writing this down Girl B. Okay, go on.

[Vogue Williams]

Because in my experience of the lesbians I know, when a lesbian gets with another lesbian, they immediately fall in love and tend to move in with each other within weeks. Which feels very me.

[Joanne McNally]

But.

[Vogue Williams]

But it's also very. The lesbians that I know. But this is.

[Joanne McNally]

It's very. I would say, female, potentially.

[Vogue Williams]

I think I no longer wanted to date girl A. I went exclusive with girl B after some time. I finished with girl B A couple of months later, I'm scrolling Instagram and I see that girl A and girl B are off on holidays together and are now. Now dating each other a year later. Oh, I'm at an event with a new girl I'm dating. Girl B is there with her new girl. No longer with girl A. Her new girl also happens to be my new girl's ex. Just a typical night out in the lesbian world. Honestly, I now go to therapy every week.

[Joanne McNally]

I'm sorry. I was. I was genuinely writing that down and I've completely lost track.

[Vogue Williams]

I understand it. So the next time you both think you'd rather be lesbians or that this world is easier, trust me, I'd rather date a narcissist man. Well, now here you Go. My husband. I mean, but he has no. But he has been around the block. So usually when I. When I meet somebody and I'm introduced, I'm like, I wonder. And then I'll wait. Obviously, I will be kind and say, hello, how are you? And then spending after, I'm like, well, that is actually.

[Joanne McNally]

That is actually a fair rider reply there. Yeah, fairness.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So same thing if you marry a Jorge. Can I say that without being mean? I think Jorge makes it nice.

[Joanne McNally]

No, that's cute. It sounds exotic. Jorge.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah. You're not.

[Vogue Williams]

Sounds aggressive. Jorge.

[Joanne McNally]

Cute.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah.

[Joanne McNally]

You're not calling him a slag. You're like, jorge. Yes. Like, he's. Yeah, like he's one of the. What are those called? One of those little. One of those little animals. The.

[Vogue Williams]

A juror cell bunny?

[Joanne McNally]

No, the three of those little animals. The little chipmunk guys. They were.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh. Alvin and the Chipmunk.

[Joanne McNally]

Three musketeers.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh. What are those two things? The treat. The treatment. Oh, okay. Alvin, Simon and Theodore. No. Well, everyone, thank you for listening and we are deeply appreciative of your time.

[Producer]

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[Vogue Williams]

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