MTGM EXTRA! "My friend called me out!"

Summary

My Therapist Ghosted Me – MTGM EXTRA! "My friend called me out!"

Hosts: Vogue Williams, Joanne McNally, joined by Alice Levine
Release Date: June 10, 2026

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Episode Overview

This week's MTGM EXTRA! is a lively, honest, and hilariously unfiltered chat centered around friendship dynamics, motherhood, book recommendations, celebrity gossip, the nuances of flirting when married, and the small dramas that arise in close-knit circles. The centerpiece is a listener letter asking for advice after being called out for flirty behavior at a wedding. As always, Vogue, Joanne, and Alice mix candor, humor, and genuine warmth with their signature banter and plenty of memorable one-liners.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Mood Swings and Pregnancy Gripes

• Vogue opens up about emotional days and physical pregnancy discomforts.
  • “I'm already in a better mood. But you ever have those days where you just feel like crying? ...I nearly cried in the gym, then I cried on my bike.” (01:00)
• The group riffs on pregnancy side effects, creative cooling hacks, and sympathetic gifting.

2. Baby Showers and Big Baby Names

• Vogue clarifies her baby shower is “not that kind of baby shower” – more of a last hurrah with friends and lots of booze before she’s out of town.
  • “I'm getting so much booze because I just want to see everyone get drunk and happy and have everyone up for food. That is essentially the baby shower.” (02:39)
• The trio discusses the controversial unique baby name Vogue and her partner are considering.
  • Alice: “It's the heaviest hitter yet, isn't it?... Hopefully the baby is hot. That's all I'll say. Because…they're going to need to be at least an 8 out of 10 to carry off this name.” (05:24 – 05:42)
  • Vogue jokes: “Well, listen, my name’s Vogue... bringing the Matthews family name down. Oh, God, cheapo.” (04:29, 05:06)

3. Book Talk & Hot Girl Book Clubs That Don’t Exist

• Alice and Vogue hype up trending books, notably ‘Yesteryear’ and ‘What Hot Girls Are Reading This Summer’ fads on TikTok.
  • Alice: “It's the book of the summer. If that thing exists and it does on Tick Tock.” (06:40)
  • Vogue: “Books are the new lava lamp.” (09:19)
• Playful self-promo on Vogue's own book, and affectionate teasing about book-buying formats.

4. Celebrity Relationship Envy

• A candid chat about the one celebrity pairing they actually envy: Dua Lipa and Callum Turner.
  • “I feel like, Dua Lipa... she's been having a moment for several years now, but she never quite hit the heights of the Charlie xcx, the Taylor Swifts...” (10:25)
  • Discussion of Dua and Callum’s “meet-cute”—they bonded over reading the same book.
  • “They were both reading the same book... She said, ‘I just finished the first chapter,’ and he said, ‘Me too. We're clearly on the same page.’” (12:16)

5. Aging and the “Hot Pants” Test

• The hosts reflect on wardrobe choices as they age—especially “mutton dressed as lamb” moments.
  • Alice: “... there's a, there's a mutton dressed as a lamb. It was the epitome of mutton putting on the lambs diamante shorts... these have to go now.” (13:39–14:13)

6. Listener Dilemma: Flirty While Married

• Main Listener Email: A married woman with two children worries after being called out by a friend for being flirty and touchy (arms, torso, "etc.") with men at a wedding, though her husband is unbothered and in the loop.

  • “At a recent wedding, a friend of mine called me out for how I behaved with a few male guests... My husband is well aware and is not bothered as he knows it would never go any further.” (15:05–15:19)

• The hosts dig into the situation’s nuance: Is it just harmless validation or crossing a line? Why did the friend bring it up? When does “harmless” touch become too much?

  • Alice: “This seems like a HR issue, which I’m not sure we’re qualified to answer!” (15:28)
  • Joanne: “Would you deny me that?... Selfish gaslighting bastard.” (17:14–17:15)
  • Vogue: “To be honest with you, I wouldn’t appreciate that... I wouldn’t appreciate any touching, anything like that. I don’t want dancing, no flirting, no thanks. Unless it’s me and I’m postpartum.” (17:18)

• Key insights:

  • Needing validation, especially postpartum, is very normal.
  • The role of friends in policing behavior: Should they step in or let people live their lives if all partners are aware?
  • Sometimes, the friend who calls you out is projecting their own insecurities, or perhaps things did go a bit far.

7. Death Chat and Looking Forward

• Promos for the upcoming Friday episode, promising tips from “an actual embalmer”—a typically oddball MTGM twist.
  • “What an uplifting episode you have to look forward to on Friday. More Death Chat. We’re excited.” (21:43)
  • “We are. We’re heavy on the Death Chat, I will say. But, Sherlock, it’s coming for all of us, isn’t it?” (21:52)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On pregnancy emotions:
  • Vogue: “I nearly cried in the gym, then I cried on my bike.” (01:00)
• On baby naming:
  • Alice: “Hopefully the baby is hot... they're going to need to be at least an 8 out of 10 to carry off this name.” (05:36)
• On books:
  • Vogue: “Books are the new lava lamp.” (09:19)
• On postpartum excuses:
  • Joanne: “That is the greatest excuse I’ve ever heard in my life. I am postpartum. I can do…” (17:34)
• On flirting while married:
  • Alice: “I can't wait to see you face down in a bush in your knickers at Cheltenham.” (18:44)

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Important Timestamps

| Time | Segment / Discussion | |----------|--------------------------| | 01:00 | Vogue on emotional, weepy days | | 02:39 | Vogue defends her “non-baby shower” | | 05:24 | Debate about baby names and family | | 06:40 | TikTok “hot girl” book craze | | 09:19 | Running joke: “Books are the new lava lamp” | | 10:25 | Dua Lipa & Callum Turner segment | | 12:16 | Celebrity “meet-cute” story | | 13:39 | Short shorts & fashion regrets with age | | 15:05 | Listener dilemma: flirty at weddings | | 17:34 | Postpartum “get out of jail free card” | | 21:04 | Flirting tips and Friday episode tease | | 21:43 | Death chat promo for next episode |

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Wrap-up

This extra episode is a showcase of MTGM’s signature blend of raucous honesty, heartfelt admissions, and unapologetic humor. Whether you’re grappling with modern friendship etiquette, navigating aging, or finding your own boundaries in relationships, Vogue, Joanne, and Alice’s banter provides both comic relief and surprisingly grounded advice.

Don’t miss: The Friday episode for post-mortem fun (literally) and more listener dilemmas dissected with MTGM’s inimitable charm.

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End of Summary.

Transcript

[Alice Levine]

This is a global player original podcast. You're entering into La La land. Now you're in. You're into Lulu Lala motherland. You've got four tiny children.

[Vogue Williams]

When I drink, I've always been pretty, flirty and touchy. Arms, torso, etc. Joanne doesn't even know that I'm pregnant most of the time. Every time she sees me with my bump, she's like, oh, well, I'll tell

[Alice Levine]

you, now that I know its name, I'm certainly not going to forget. It's coming for all of us, isn't it?

[Vogue Williams]

Exactly. You're all gonna die.

[Alice Levine]

Gotta get your plans. Okay,

[Joanne McNally]

Vogue. You're on mute. So you're. That. That's not going to improve,

[Vogue Williams]

Joe. I'll tell you what. Don't you dare tell me I'm on mute. Not today of all days.

[Joanne McNally]

I'm not shaming you, I'm just stating the facts.

[Vogue Williams]

If I'm on mute, you leave me on mute.

[Alice Levine]

Vogers. She's what we say.

[Vogue Williams]

I feel like. Do you just have those? I'm already in a better mood. But you ever have those days where you just feel like crying? And I have cried. I nearly cried in the gym, then I cried on my bike. I always worry that someone will see me and be like, I just saw her crying on her bike. Like, what was so bad that she was crying?

[Alice Levine]

Maybe you're giving birth to a town crier of sorts or.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh God no. Do you know what's getting me? I have that thing, that back pain that's just like. It's like, it's like RS pain to be honest with you, but not a good, not a good RS pain. I don't know if there are. There are good earth pains, I'm sure. Not my bag, but there are good R Spains.

[Alice Levine]

Okay, this isn't a good strong opener.

[Joanne McNally]

He's still saying good honest pain.

[Alice Levine]

She's. She's trying to. She's trying to find it out there and she's struggling.

[Vogue Williams]

Dig. Dig. Yeah, okay.

[Alice Levine]

Okay.

[Vogue Williams]

I'm going to buy a little. A little cooler pack for my rs. I've decided I can't sit for long cuz it just gets too sore.

[Joanne McNally]

Well, I.

[Alice Levine]

Do you know what? I have seen from my extensive research for my garden design? That you can buy these ring seats that you put in the freezer and sit in them. Cuz ever since I slashed up my paddling pool, I'm looking for more alternative options. And you can sit on these like frozen ass donut rings. Which are.

[Vogue Williams]

I'll show you yeah. Oh, my. I'm sorry you don't have prime. I'd rather buy my own. If this is a radio, this is an emergency. Joan, do I have to get you

[Alice Levine]

another baby present like this is? This is getting out of control at this stage.

[Vogue Williams]

No, I already told you, you don't have to come.

[Alice Levine]

Thank God.

[Vogue Williams]

I'm. I would like to mention about my baby shower before people. There's two things I'll mention, right? The first thing about the baby shower, I don't. It's not a baby shower as such. I just want to get my friends and host together because it will be the last time I see them because I won't be able to fly back soon. And I'm gonna get them. I'm getting so much booze because I just want to see everyone get drunk and happy and have everyone up for food. That is essentially the baby shower. We will go out for lunch. Joanne and I will get you just as drunk. Can I.

[Alice Levine]

Can I ask why you have to make a public statement in defense of your baby shower?

[Vogue Williams]

Because I just think it's a bit much. Do you know that? I do. I think it's a bit much and I know it is, but I'd like to point out that it's. It's not that kind of baby share. And also, I'm just going to warn everyone, the name we love is. Okay. It's mad. Oh, God, it's mad.

[Alice Levine]

Also, can I just say Vogue in your defense, having four kids is so like, everything associated with the fourth kid, you know, is also going to be away with the fairies. Do you know what I mean? Because you're entering into. You're entering into La La land. Now you're in. You're into Lulu Lala Motherland. You've got four tiny children.

[Vogue Williams]

Almost, Almost, almost. And yes, Joanne flinched at the name and that made me go, oh,

[Alice Levine]

it's a. It's a. It's a big name. I was just. I was.

[Vogue Williams]

It was a little.

[Alice Levine]

I. I know you like. Like Theodore was a heavy hitter and I. I know you like a name. We. We. And I love a name. I love. Well, I like naming shows. You like Nam

[Vogue Williams]

and.

[Alice Levine]

Yeah, I was a bit taken aback. I mean, the screaming was a bit much, but I apologize for that.

[Vogue Williams]

It's such a big first name. We're gonna do a normal middle name just in case, so the baby can choose.

[Alice Levine]

Yeah, that's a good shout.

[Joanne McNally]

It's the heaviest hitter yet, isn't it? You'd have to say of the four, it's the heaviest hitter.

[Vogue Williams]

Well, listen, my name's Vogue. I remember once, Benny's dad, this is no joke, he actually said, what's her middle name? Would she mind going that. Stop. Maria is a lovely name. It's. Penny was like, no, Dad, I think. I think she's 33 now, so I

[Alice Levine]

think her name is not like, has she ever considered. It's more like, is she up for it? Because we'd really appreciate it if she did.

[Vogue Williams]

I love David's honesty. I have to say nothing he says offends me because he actually just means it. In good. In good jest.

[Alice Levine]

Yes.

[Vogue Williams]

Well, fair enough. And fair enough, I'm bringing. Bringing the Matthews family name down. Oh, God, cheapo.

[Alice Levine]

Well, as I've always said, folk, as I've always said, you're lucky you're attractive, because if you weren't, you'd be a big. You'd be walking around, just a big figure of irony. And then you'd be t. You'd be. Can you imagine the Daily Mail? Imagine the carnage in the comments then. Hopefully the baby is hot. That's all I'll say. Because they're going to. They're going to need to be at least an 8 out of 10 to carry off this name.

[Vogue Williams]

Joanne doesn't even know that I'm pregnant. Most of the time she sees me with my bump, she's like, oh, well,

[Alice Levine]

I'll tell you, now that I know its name, I'm certainly not going to forget.

[Vogue Williams]

But you don't, you know, you know, that's all I had to do now,

[Alice Levine]

you know, he should have told me the whimsical name from day one and I would have remembered for the whole pregnancy.

[Vogue Williams]

I. Look, do you know that one who's married to Lucky Blue and Narrow?

[Alice Levine]

Oh, I do indeed. The tradwife.

[Vogue Williams]

I mean, heard the names her. One of her is called Whimsy something, and I kind of love the names, like, they're so out there and I am.

[Alice Levine]

I am kind of only half teasing you. I do think it is. I do think it is a cool name.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, no, oh, it's a cool name. Like, I'd love to be called it. I mean, I couldn't pull it off, but I would love to be called it.

[Alice Levine]

Speaking of that trad wife, I have another book recommendation for the book club that doesn't exist and the books we never read.

[Vogue Williams]

I know what you're gonna say because somebody else recommended me this, a publisher and said it was one of the best books she's read all year.

[Alice Levine]

Yeah, it's the book. It's the book of the summer. If that. If that thing exists and it does on Tick Tock.

[Vogue Williams]

It's.

[Alice Levine]

There's all of these pages like what hot girls are reading this summer. Because you know the way reading is like a thing now.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah.

[Alice Levine]

And I'm like, oh, oh, I'll be a hot girl for the summer. What? I read two book recs. Once I finish Lost Lambs. Once I finish Last Lambs, you can have it.

[Vogue Williams]

Okay, good. I'm going to order the ones you're about to mention.

[Alice Levine]

Like one by Madeleine Cash and it's the quotes on the front. I mean, imagine getting these. Megan Nolan, who I. She. One of her. My favorite books, Acts of Desperation, I think it was. She gave her a quote and Lena Dunham says a voice like no other. And sure, then I was in like Flynn. The book that I was actually talking about, which I will. I think will be next on the hit list, is the one that. It's all over the talk. The book talk. It's Yesteryear by Caro Claire Burke. And it's about an Internet famous trad wife, like that woman. And she posts all. You know, she's all into the sourdough, baking and raising her own chickens and cooking her own eggs and all and that. Well, I'm. And eggs. Having the chickens, lay the eggs, you know, collecting the eggs. I mean we can all cook an egg. It's not a flex. And. And then the book, it's like a bit of a time travel book. And then she wakes up back in the day where she's forced to live like that. And that's the book. But it's. Apparently it's kind of based on that woman, Nara.

[Vogue Williams]

Well, I ordered it but I'd like to caveat that by saying it is only on hardback. It's important to just

[Alice Levine]

vogue you. You are a published author. You cannot keep talking people out of buying hardb. I just bought it.

[Vogue Williams]

I just bought it myself. I just, I prefer. I just don't know why we have to be like. It's just you need. I prefer hardback on the shelf.

[Joanne McNally]

And then I like what is available on paperback at the moment.

[Vogue Williams]

What.

[Joanne McNally]

What can you get on paperback?

[Vogue Williams]

Slags.

[Alice Levine]

Free Willy. Free Willy. The old classics.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah. Black Beauty.

[Joanne McNally]

I'm trying to get you to promote your own book.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, big name.

[Alice Levine]

Oh my gosh.

[Vogue Williams]

I've always got one on hand. Do you want to bring one for you?

[Alice Levine]

That is hilarious.

[Joanne McNally]

Let's just make a list of books you can Get.

[Alice Levine]

That is hilarious.

[Vogue Williams]

We went back as far as Free Willie. I don't know if that's even out on books.

[Alice Levine]

We went way back. Canterbury Tales,

[Vogue Williams]

Romeo and Juliet.

[Alice Levine]

Classics. Yeah. There's obviously some system in the bookland where they don't bring itself back for a while for whatever reason. I don't know.

[Vogue Williams]

But I do like a hard back on the shelf. I'd actually like to have both, so sometimes I do buy both. I bought Adam K's book about six times because I just kept buying it for different people because I thought they'd love it.

[Alice Levine]

Books are the new lava lamp.

[Vogue Williams]

Books are the new lava lamp. You are. You know what? You are dead right.

[Alice Levine]

Speaking of books.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah.

[Alice Levine]

I. I don't. I don't envy people's relationships. I really don't. In general. There's no. I'm not looking around being like, God, I wish. I wish I had that, or I wish I was in that look at times. Do it. Is it lonely, hard, dull and depressing? Yes. But mostly I enjoy myself. Okay. Someone actually read something the other day. They're like, every time I think I want to be in a relationship, every time I think I want a boyfriend, someone else's boyfriend sends you a fire emoji. Yeah, yeah, that was it. Likes my stuff. And then I remember I don't want. But there's one relationship that I'm looking at at the moment and I'm like, that's. That's stunning.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah.

[Alice Levine]

Obviously, you guys are excluded in this conversation. Dua. Lipa.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Alice Levine]

And Callum. Who's the second name? I do not know.

[Vogue Williams]

Turner. I've just made that up.

[Alice Levine]

Julie. But I think you could be right.

[Vogue Williams]

You know, I think I could be. I saw. Are you talking about. The pictures of them popped at their wedding? I was like, God, they are doing a lot. There's a lot of smiling.

[Alice Levine]

I feel like, Dua Lipa. It's kind of a funny thing to say. She's having a moment because it's Dua Lipa. I mean, she's been having a moment for several years now, but she never quite hit the heights of the Charlie xcx, the Taylor Swifts or the Ariana Grande's or she just didn't have the same, I don't know, like, kind of that.

[Vogue Williams]

I mean, she sold it a lot of arena, 100%.

[Alice Levine]

But, you know, the way I remember reading something about this was this opinion piece. Now, obviously, I just took on the opinion as my own. It might not be correct at all, but they were Saying that, like, she doesn't have that real cult following. In the same way, like, she has a huge following. She's a huge star, but she does great stuff by recommend. She's great for recommendations and books and all that jazz. She's obviously, you know, well read, smart, cool, funny, all those things. Tick, tick, tick.

[Vogue Williams]

Good at yoga.

[Alice Levine]

She's got a great voice. She's got a great voice and she can dance. She. She started out a bit stiff, but she's. She's got moves now.

[Vogue Williams]

I mean, there is hope for it. Well, I don't know if there's hope for me, because I've really tried, but there is hope for a lot of you, because Dua was not a good dancer. And that's no shade, because she is a sensational dancer now.

[Alice Levine]

She's. Well, she says it herself. She's like, yeah, look, she was saying something. We see. They're like, what do you think your biggest gift to the world has been so far? And she was like, the memes that used to go around of me not being able to dance, she used to kind of shimmy. But the way she met Callum, now, this, to me was. I. I was like, wow, I am. I'm missing out on something here. They were at a. Oh, yes. Event. Someone said, a house party, which I. And then they were reading a book, but they couldn't be reading a book at a high school because then they sound like shit crack. So I wouldn't envy the relationship at all. But they were both. They met somewhere and they got chatting and she was reading. They were reading the same book in the same location.

[Vogue Williams]

I think they might have met in a hotel or something. It was a meet. Cute. Like that. But you're right, that is how they met.

[Alice Levine]

And they were both reading the same book and they're like, oh, we're both reading the same book. And it was a book called Trust. And then she. He said, how far. When are you? And she said, I just finished the first chapter. And he said, me, too. We're clearly on the same page.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah. Oh, no.

[Alice Levine]

And I'd say. I'd say they're. I'd say they're getting stuck in.

[Vogue Williams]

And also, I think he's going to be the. There's a chance he's the new Bond. Imagine. Jesus Couple. Yeah.

[Alice Levine]

Wow. Anyway, I was. I was. You know when you're kind of like half actually half repulsed, half envious? It did. I've been questioning myself a little bit. I was like, well, Jesus, I put in a shift on. Hinge, when I read the news I,

[Vogue Williams]

I used to be. I've. I've been quite envious of Dua Lipa for ages. I remember last summer I was like trying on these shorts because she wears all these like little cute shorts and like they're just like really tight little hot pants. And I was trying to try them on, I was like hell, I do not look like Julie pin them.

[Alice Levine]

Well, no, I mean we are in our 40s now and that's not to say. I mean women should dress however they want at any age. But I was doing my big clear out. I found a pair of hot pants that I actually wore on when we shot that TV show. When I beat that.

[Vogue Williams]

Okay.

[Alice Levine]

And they have.

[Vogue Williams]

I don't remember a hot pant.

[Alice Levine]

Well they're what I would call. Yeah, they're short shorts with kind of crystal diamantes hanging off the arse.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They were lovely.

[Alice Levine]

Well they were of their time. I tried them on for to see how ridiculous they were and I was like I'm gonna. And I, and I, and I, I like to talk positively about women aging but it was one, I was like ah, there's a, there's a mutton dressed as a lamb. It was the epitome of mutton putting on the lambs diamante shorts. And I was like oh no, these have to go now I am self aware enough to know no one wants to see the ass cheek through a diamante curtain of a 43 year old woman. Especially one who barely leaves the house.

[Vogue Williams]

I know it is sad when you think that you can't wear certain things. Like I get myself into an absolute force every single day trying stuff on. I'm like I can't bear this.

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[Vogue Williams]

Hi guys. Love the pod. Keeps me up to date with current shenanigans and a great laugh. I have a question. I'm married with two young children. When I drink, I've always been pretty flirty and touchy. Arms, torso, etc.

[Alice Levine]

My husband is well aware as in

[Vogue Williams]

her own or someone else is what's the etc like? Or is it below the waist? Etc. Or.

[Alice Levine]

I know. Torso, arms, etc would suggest tickle, tickle. Yeah. What's the chance you're crapping these lots in the crotch? I'm gonna be honest now. This seems like a HR issue, which I'm not sure we're qualified to answer, but go on.

[Vogue Williams]

My husband is well aware and is not bothered as he knows it would never go any further. I'm also always honest with him. At a recent wedding, a friend of mine called me out for how I behaved with a few male guests. Are you going to write jockeying everyone? It's fine. My husband knows. He's not.

[Joanne McNally]

She's touching their arms and torsos and that's it.

[Alice Levine]

She's like openly banging some lad on the grass. A croquet with the pims in one hand and a hand fan in the other. He's fine. He knows.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, okay. I know for a fact it was nothing beyond flirting or harmless touching. And I really enjoyed some appreciation in my postpartum phase.

[Alice Levine]

This is the thing. Like, this is the thing. We all need to feel wanted. We just do. And I don't think getting married changes that or being in relationships changes that.

[Vogue Williams]

The amount of I'm gonna blame on postpartum. You won't believe it.

[Alice Levine]

I can't wait.

[Vogue Williams]

It's fine. It's postpartum. Yeah. Did you just.

[Alice Levine]

He were just. We were just photographed leaving skeptics house at 5am with your hair. Yeah, I'm postpartum. Okay. Just looking for a bit of a validation, a bit of a lift.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah.

[Alice Levine]

For morale.

[Joanne McNally]

Would you deny me that?

[Alice Levine]

Yeah. I'm your wife. Would you. Would you deny me some bit of happiness? Selfish gaslighting bastard.

[Joanne McNally]

Oh, damn.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, I can't wait. That is holiday. The greatest excuse I've ever heard in my life. I am postpartum. I can do. I'll just go and. It's like Robin self, which is blind.

[Alice Levine]

You're free reign. You're the Winona Rider.

[Vogue Williams]

Educate yourself.

[Alice Levine]

You've got to hear.

[Vogue Williams]

That's acceptable to a postpartum woman. Do you.

[Alice Levine]

You've got a year. Yeah. Don't touch me. Get your hands off me. I'm postpartum. I will deliver back this fabric. I egg in my own time.

[Vogue Williams]

Okay? I told my husband and he lasts as he knows. This is how I can get when I've had a few too many drinks. Have I crossed the line or is it harmless? Would love your take. I don't know. What did she do I To Be honest with you, I wouldn't appreciate that. Yeah, I wouldn't appreciate any touching anything like that. I don't want dancing, no flirting, no thanks. Unless it's me and I'm postpartum.

[Alice Levine]

Yes, of course. Then you can do as you like. I can't. I can't wait to see a face down in a bush in your knickers at Cheltenham. Well, I guess we don't really know what she did. Was it just the touching of the torso etc?

[Joanne McNally]

Sounds like it, I think.

[Vogue Williams]

Are we sure about that? Because this feels like. Why is your friend annoyed? It feels like to me you were pulling trousers and stuff.

[Alice Levine]

Well, I actually. Do you know what, that's interesting. I actually spoke to someone recently who said that they pulled up a friend of theirs who they thought was acting inappropriately. Like as in like flirting?

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah.

[Alice Levine]

And I was, I was kind of shocked. I was like why did you bring it up? And she was like well I know their husband and I, I just. Well I just don't think it's on. And I was like, yeah, I mean I would, I would probably just privately not think it's on. I don't think I would bother saying it really. I mean it's her marriage. Do you know what I mean? Like it's not really her friends job. If anything she should be like get a girl slay. Is that not what we do? Should we not.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah. In our organization. On this side of the fence that's what we do. Yes. On the other side of the fence.

[Alice Levine]

No, I, I also would say maybe this is, you know, the kind of little bit of relief, the release for her that she gets. Which means she might never actually act on it. That she just gets the, the validation of us knowing that she can, you know, that she's still got us. As they say, if you're.

[Vogue Williams]

Well, if your husband doesn't mind, I guess that's, that's fine. But like were you annoying your friends fella or something? Because like. Yeah, the postpartum won't fly with that.

[Alice Levine]

I don't think. Why was your friend got involved? Unless you see, see it's a complicated situation. I'd like more information. The friend might be feel low in herself and maybe she doesn't have the confidence to do the flirting and then when she sees you doing it it kind of triggers her because as we know we're all just projecting our own on everyone else and maybe she, it irritated her and she was like why can't I do that? I. I don't have the Confidence, or I don't think I'm attractive enough, or I am locked in a bad marriage. You know, this could go. This could be really deep.

[Vogue Williams]

Or maybe you were just. You just went a little bit overboard and you took it too far. There is that. There is that side to it, too. But listen, thanks, everyone, for listening and thanks for the. The very valid excuse.

[Alice Levine]

I'd love flirting tips, to be honest, at the moment, I think if I liked a guy, I just punch him in the face and run away. I've kind of. I've lost all strategy, so I admire this woman. If you. If your lights on, engage, flash that light.

[Joanne McNally]

We don't have flirting tips, but in terms of something that you did ask for and something that we do have, and coming up in the Friday episode, responses to your questions from an actual embalmer.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, yeah, yeah, I did hear about that.

[Alice Levine]

Excellent. Brilliant.

[Joanne McNally]

Do join us on Friday for that.

[Alice Levine]

Brilliant.

[Vogue Williams]

That's exciting times.

[Joanne McNally]

I know, I'm doing coming ups now.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah. What an uplifting episode you have to look forward to on Friday. More Death Chat. We're excited.

[Alice Levine]

We are. We're heavy on the Death Chat, I will say. But, Sherlock, it's coming for all of us, isn't it?

[Vogue Williams]

Exactly. You're all gonna die.

[Alice Levine]

Gotta get your plans in place. That's why that woman flirts her tits off. You're gonna be embalmed. You could be embalmed tomorrow.

[Vogue Williams]

Did you see that girl? I think it was on Tick Tock and she was in the graveyard with her parents and she was like, they're just checking out there for their forever home.

[Alice Levine]

So grim. Anyway, we're alive for now. We're alive for now. And I think that's the main. That's something good to focus on. Enjoy yourselves.

[Vogue Williams]

Bye, everyone.

[Alice Levine]

See you on Friday. This has been a Global Player original production.