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This is a Global Player original podcast.
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Hello, welcome to the boneless episode of My Therapist Ghosted me with myself, Joanne McNally coming in from Derry and my partner Vogue Williams coming in from London.
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I'd like to point out that Joanne is currently in her office. I've just realized.
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Yeah, I'm in my office. I'm here filing things and working in my office. I didn't see the point of standing outside of the buffers for YouTube. No one can see me.
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I've had a morning and a half already. My God, I feel like. Oh, just some mornings I dropped the kids to school and it's usually the nicest thing in the world, but Otto just wasn't having it today and he was just wind. He wanted me to carry him. So I have him on my shoulders with a scooter and a dog. It's. I feel like I've kind of run a marathon and I've just come home and then he's starving and I was like, you had breakfast? Anyway, this will be a good refresh. Restart.
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Mothering. Well, if it's any consolation, I had an awful night's sleep.
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I was dying to ask you about that because I'm not happy about it because I don't. I always feel bad for people who have a nice night's sleep. And I did mail Joe this morning. I was like, joe, I'm just bad.
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Nice.
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Joanne has been up till about half three in the morning. It looks from her insta. She hasn't slept. We might have to move the mud.
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Well, no, no. I'd always get up and martyr myself and power through like a trooper. But I did that thing where I was very tired yesterday before the show. I'm in Derry, so I bashed a giant can of Red Bull for that fake sweet energy, that poisonous energy. And then the wings really kicked in about 1am tossing and turning and. Yeah, too hot. You know, hotel rooms like they. They're either like, what is with the. Anyway, they just can't regulate themselves. Hotel rooms emotionally, physically, heat wise. But you know what? I watched a lot of last night. You've obviously seen it because I was talking about it on Insta. This show said there was. Have you heard of the Murdoch murderers folklore?
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I have, yeah.
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Oh, Grant. So for anyone who hasn't heard, the Murdoch murders are. It's a true crime. It's true crime. Beauty it. From South Carolina in the States about a very well to do legal family who got themselves into a lot of trouble, which is the understatement of the Century. Basically everyone's dead. And I listened to the podcast years ago. Then there was a documentary on efforts and now there's a serialized, dramatized version on Disney plus and it's very good. That's my little rack for today.
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Disney are pulling out all the stops lately, aren't they? They actually are doing a really good job. They've loads of good stuff coming in. Did you see that documentary that's going to come out on Caroline Flack and everything that happened to her around the time of her death? And my. My management company looked after her and one of my manager looked after her and she's part of the documentary and she just is like, it is the wildest thing to watch. And Spenny interviewed her mom recently, like yesterday, I think. Oh. And he was just like, if you hear the story, it is just crazy what went on and how things changed and like what she had to go through. And like, God, it's just so awful when you just. But like, stuff like that still goes on.
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To be honest, I have seen the advertising for the new Carlos Black documentary and I was surprised that there was still more to be told of that story. I thought that was kind of done and dusted.
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Well, you. I don't think the public really know. Like, obviously she had a massive. She had like so much trolling and abuse online. But also it's. It's around the way the police handled it and how they brought a case to CPS that was never actually a case and like how she was just like, kind of made an example of. And like how like the papers ran papers, pictures of that, like, scene when that's actually not what the scene was, but they made it look like it was something else. And I don't know if they go into that because you and I know about that, but I don't know if it's public knowledge.
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I think. Are you talking about the blood? I think that's a big graphic. But there wasn't it. That was. Wasn't that her own blood? And it looked like in the photo that it was. It was her partner blood that she's kind of drawn that from him. Yeah, yeah, I do. I do remember that. But I mean, I'll be watching. I was a big Caroline Flock fan and it's. I think it's awful. God love her.
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It's just desperate. Yeah. So I'm definitely gonna watch that. I'm reading a book. Let me give you a book record like yourself. I couldn't sleep a few nights ago. That was the night Spenny woke me up three times. And usually I just. I'm like, okay, I'll read a book. But, like, you know when you finish a really good book and then you're like, I have to start a new book. I hate starting new books, because I just want. Okay, good. This book from the start. Now, I haven't finished it, so if it gets really bad, don't blame me. But one good thing. It's so good. It's by Alexandra Potter. And I. From the second page, I was like, I really like this book. And that never happens. It literally from the second page, I was like, I'm gonna enjoy reading this. And I am nearly halfway through, still love it. Very wholesome. Yeah. So there's a little reco. I feel better already.
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You're not saying reco. Folk, please. No, I can't. My ears are bleeding.
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Joanne, if I want to give a reco after having my brekkie before I go on my holliers to Scotland, I will.
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It's so annoying.
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I know. I hate me, too. I'm sorry, but it's the person I am.
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No.
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Sorry.
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We can. We could fix that Vogue. You don't have to say it.
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I don't know if I can.
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I don't know who's making you feel you have to.
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Joanne, I've tried to get help. I have tried, and I just haven't been able to.
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Not enough. I don't know if I. I'm happy to be involved. I'm. I'm happy to fund us, okay? There's a clinic we can send her to. To treat. To treat. Abbreviations. I'm willing to chip in. I'm willing to do it.
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I've done. I've done hours of cbt. It hasn't helped. I don't know where I go to next. I'm sorry. I was on a program for it, and it just hasn't worked out.
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Well, what about that. What about that therapy that they put. You look at beeps. You look at red dots with your eyes. I've heard that's really good. You know that one I'm talking about?
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Do you want me to get an automy?
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It's for trauma. So either you got it or I got it. One of us is gonna have to get us, because if this continues, I'm gonna be in there for PT it's gonna be me going to Marco for PTSD and wait. That's why I couldn't sleep last night. It was just a village of you going sasso. Sasso. Sassos.
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I don't, I do, I do say, know what the worst thing that I say? And I actually, when I say it, I'm like, I. I call Sven espano Data. And I'm like, please stop. Please, please stop. Please. Anything. I can't, I can't take it anymore. And it comes out of my mouth. I'm like, stop calling them Data in front of people. Stop doing it. And I text them it.
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I think, I think a lot of parents call each other Mommy and Dad. I mean, it's quite an 80s thing, I think. But I've. I've heard, I've heard the term bandied around between parents. I know, yeah.
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It's funny that you. I wouldn't know what's okay in your book now. I'm surprised that you're okay with that. That would be a real trigger for me because it's.
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Because it's a true status. Like, I mean, if I. To be honest, if I had to choose, I wouldn't mind you calling me Data. If for men we got rid of Reo. If that. Is that an option. Can we shop one of the shop.
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If I get rid of Reo and I call you daddy. I'm sorry. I could do you know, it's because I lived.
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Joanne.
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It's because I lived in Australia. Stop slagging off the Australians. You're about to go on tour there. Don't slag their abbreviations. That's where I got it from.
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V. I mean, I hate to break the D you, but I also lived in Australia.
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Okay, John, how long did you live there for? Because I was a real native.
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You're not.
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Fine. Same as me. That's fine. You obviously weren't hanging out with. You obviously went there and weren't even a real Australian because you only hung out with Irish people. I was hanging out with Australians. Okay.
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You're in the underbelly of the Aussie culture, clearly.
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I got absolutely. Yeah, I was a proper Oz Australian.
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Trying to relearn your own language. By the way.
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Australian dog. By the way, Winnie. Yeah, Winnie's from us. Did you never hear the accent? He's the one who kept saying Rao.
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I know was him. And it was, it was Winnie saus that started it all. To be honest.
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Joanne finished them off cuz she couldn't take it anymore.
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Stop. That's terrible. Speaking of Disney plus and I think we should do a more substantial discussion on the main. But just. I can't, I can't not bring it up at this point. Have you seen the Reviews of All's Fair with your podcam.
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Yes, I am sorry. We did what? Did I speak to you about this already?
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No.
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Did I speak to you about it? Okay, listen, here's right. I'm not even paid to say this. I'm done now. I wasn't allowed to talk about it until it came out. What did people expect? It's everything I wanted. I'm on F2. I have. I have them downloaded. I'm going to Scotland today. I have them downloaded for the plane. I. It's like, you're not going to get something more heavy hitting than like, selling Sunset. It's that kind of vibe. It's like a courtroom drama full of amazing archive clothes. Is it ridiculous? Yes, it is. Do I absolutely love it? Have you watched it? It is. I adore it. I think people were expecting Law and Order or something. It's like, no, no, no, no, no. That's never what it was going to be. It's Kim Kardashian in a show producing it. It's gas.
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Sorry. Just to explain what we're talking about. It has been universally panned. It has zero percent on Rotten Tomatoes. The Guardian gave it zero stars, which I'm not sure if that's ever been done before. And they're kind of even a hate watch. It's just unwatchable. Someone was like, it's the worst TV show ever made. It's really bottom of the barrel. But folk, I agree with you. I'm gonna. I'm gonna give it a go. I'm gonna give it a go. I think it's gonna do. Is it like. I was about to compare it to Dynasty, which is actually highly offensive to Dynasty, but I'm gonna. I'm gonna give it a go. I think it's that ridiculous style.
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Yes. Show.
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I mean, Kris Jenner is exact producer. Like you say you want to see.
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The PJs they're on. It's amazing. All the jewelry, like, it's like this. The houses they're in. It's men. Just like. It's so outrageously out of this world that I love it and I love watching TV that I can just sit and kind of just melt into the catch. I want mindless tv. Spencer watching Ed Gein's. I can't sleep after that. I don't want to see someone having sex with dead bodies. I don't want to see it. I want to see Kim Kardashian in an 80s parachute.
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Yeah. And also, I have to say, as someone who is, you know, doing A bit acting myself at the moment. Kim K's acting style is very much my brand. Yeah, I like that kind of deadpan reads. Clearly reading an auto cue with one eye, delivering the line with the other. Absolutely no facial reaction, no movement. Very. I would say. What would you say? Reassuring. You know exactly what you're gonna get. There's gonna be no big roller coaster emotionally. No highs and lows. She says hello, good night with the same energy like, I've just been mur. Love us.
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Tell you what, if they ask me to be in series two, I jump with the chance. And you know what else? I do it for free. That's how much I'd love to do it. Obviously I do anything with Kim Kardashian, but I'm just saying it's not just because I'm. I love Kim Kardashian. It's because, like, you've got glam Close, you've got Naomi Watts. Strange that they're in it. Yes, but they're in it. You've got Sarah Paulson, who's a brilliant character in it. I just think it's, I think it's really, really funny. And I think people were just expecting some, like, high end, like, drama. I don't think I would call it a drama myself. It's really, really, really. It's just, it's, it's, it's funny in parts anyway. I, I think everyone just give it a go. Watch one. I loved it.
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I'm desperate to know what that cast is getting paid because let's face it, Glenn Close being in that is like, like, I mean, what's it like? It's like you getting paid to cut the ribbon on a nativity play. Like, it's like, what is, you know, it's, it's beneath her. Sorry. It's beneath her.
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I'm sorry. I just, I struggle really now to, to, to tear it apart. I, I've enjoyed it. And if that says a lot about me, I don't care. I just want mindless tv. I don't watch TV to, like, learn stuff. I just want to chill. I read my books to learn stuff. Okay.
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Book me. Join of a circus. It's just unexpected.
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I, I actually, you know what? That's your homework this weekend and listeners as well. Oh, no, it's not the weekend. That's your homework this week. It's a midweek. Watch it. Have. Just watch one and we can all decide what we all think about it. But I, I would just like to say. I'm not saying it's going to like you're not going to learn anything from it, but I think that you're just going to sit and chill and enjoy it and kind of giggle away to it.
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I'm. I just have to finish watching the Murdoch family get murdered and then I will move straight on to Kim K. Manning, a legal office. I. I will reverse.
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Okay, well, I'm excited to hear what you think. Hi ladies. And Joe, if you're back from vacationing again. Yeah, Joe, always on holidays, that one. Big fan, etc. Etc.
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And he's always crying. But he's a great life.
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Fantastic life.
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Yeah. Giving out about his life. Great life.
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I'd say he never at the time unpacked.
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So what if some holidays are to a mental institution. Joe, you're still getting out and about.
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Okay, okay. I have a big problem. When my son started school, it obviously took some time to get to know the other parents. Etc. I finally got friends with another mom. Super fun person, etc, really like her. Then in comes my. Her husband when I say my jaw dropped like I was drooling. He's the most beautiful man I've ever seen. I'm not alone. Lots of the mom fancies him, but I mean, I have inappropriate thoughts about him.
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Yeah, okay, well, thoughts is fine. Yeah.
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Recently we were over in the house and me and him got chatting more than usual and got on really well. He started hugging me, holding me around the waist. There obviously had been drinks, but it was so flirty. I don't think he thinks anything of it. He's probably just a flirt. But I can't be thinking this about him, right? I love my friend and this is so wrong. You might be asking, but what about your relationship situation? And this doesn't say the best about that, to which I can tell you that you are totally right. My husband and I have been having lots of issues lately and haven't been intimate in a long time. So is that just sh. Has shown me affection that I'm. Well, let's call a spade a spade. Obsessing and man masturbate. Oh, I was going to say man baiting and masturbating over him or.
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Yeah. Rough. Rough to the races.
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I'll tell you one thing, Joanne never stops doing that about Spencer. Never stops. Why do you think she's got so many products for that masturbating stuff? She's always at it. One breaks down thinking about him. His ears are always burning.
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I'm in the middle of it now. He wouldn't mind hurrying up and he's got back to us. You're interrupting. You're interrupting my span, Paul.
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How can I stay friends with them if I feel like this? We're planning holidays next summer. Don't go the holidays, that's for sure. I would say a lot of that has to do with you and your husband having problems and like, you obviously really are probably quite horny at the moment if you're not getting intimate. So you kind of have to start looking after yourself a bit more. You don't think about your husband because he's pissing you off anyway, that, that would ruin the game for you. And I think that this new fella is in the bank for you and you want to think about him. But. But it's awkward. Yeah, but I wouldn't. God, it could get real bad now. That could turn messy.
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I think this happens all the time. I'd say this is like classic 101. Friends fancying each other's partners. I'd say that happens all the time. And I'd say a lot of affairs happen because of it. Because ultimately your partner, long term, you're bored of them after a while and then you fresh meat that you get to know. It's the way when we were younger, you'd always fancy your boyfriend's friends because they were around. You didn't know them that well, so you could flirt with them. There was always bit of the unknown, there was always a bit of strange. I say it happens all the time. That's where I don't. That's why I'm never going to get married. I'd be constantly accusing my husband to fancy my mates because they're fantastic.
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I just think that. Well, even when you're married, it doesn't mean that your brain just switches off and like, you just don't think someone's attractive anymore. Like it's completely normal to think people are attractive. And like that wouldn't even really bother me. Me, I'd like, because, like, I would think you can. Just because you're on a diet doesn't mean you can look at the menu. I always say that you can't look at the menu. You can, you can always think that somebody's attractive. Just don't do it in front of your partner. Like be staring someone out of it. Don't let them see.
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Just because you have one job doesn't mean you can't get a second one.
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Well, you shouldn't get the second job, but you can go for the interview.
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Sorry.
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Go for the interview.
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You're right. Sorry. Well, you can look to. You can, you can, you can scroll through LinkedIn, but maybe don't go for the interview.
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Send a CV, possibly after a drink.
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Well, okay, okay, well, yeah, yeah, but the truth is, you're like, he was flirting. Of course he was. Like, I'm not, I don't mean to piss into his wife's cornflakes, but attractive men like that, I mean, come on, if you were an attractive person who gets a lot of your validation from being attractive. That muscle, that muscle doesn't go away. If that's where your validation comes from. You need that for the rest of your life. I've seen it in people. I've seen, I've dealt with people who's. Their thing is that they're attractive and so then that becomes their entire thing. And then I watch them kind of search that out socially and it's like, oh, okay, I've seen it happen. So, yeah, I'd say he was definitely flirting with the holiday. Might be ill advised. I mean, keep us in the loop.
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I don't think you'd even like the holiday if you went on it. You wouldn't like it if I was.
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Around an attractive husband who's flirting with me. I'd probably, you know, get involved. Meant creatively, not physically. Creatively. Maybe get involved.
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Yeah, yeah, that actually does. This all makes sense.
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Yeah. She wants to feel. She makes her feel attractive. She makes him feel attractive. Boom.
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So good luck with that letter, how.
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It progresses, the consequences. Think about the consequences of taking that into the real world. Think about that. Just enjoy the frustration. I would say.
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Yeah, the consequences aren't worth it. Sorry, you couldn't. Jesus. Imagine waking up with the fear.
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No, you read it all the time. My husband ran off my best friend. My wife ran off with my best friend. They're always running. No one ever just leaves on foot at a normal pace, lagging us. It happens all the time.
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Next email John the future for Joanna, Vogue. Hi, girls and Joe. I worked in hotels and receptions for many years and have many a good story. But one that has always stuck with me is this one. I was working the morning shift on reception and a couple came to check out. They did not have a happy face so I knew a complaint was coming and it did. They were livid. Asked me why we would put them near a hen party when we knew they were a couple and wanted a quiet night. They could not believe we would have put them right by in the middle of the hen night. And now this hotel. Now this hotel was a very Old fashioned hotel henlights were not really our thing so I was confused. There was no hen night in last night. What were they talking about? So I told them to go and have breakfast and I will check the cameras and see what was going on and have some sort of answer for them. Well, I checked the cameras and I couldn't believe what I saw. There had been a group of women in house for an 80th birthday and they decided to play ding dong ditch on their way to bed at 2am So I watched on the camera as three of the women knocked on this couple's door then tried to run away. However, they did not make it very far, which was not surprising, especially considering one we will call her, Betty was on a zimmer frame. Now that she was the birthday girl, I know this as there were balloons and a naked inflatable man tied to her zimmer frame.
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That's hilarious.
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Betty knocked on the door, tried to run away, but fell over with her zimmer frame on top of her. I can only describ as looking like an upside down turtle. She couldn't get off, her legs were in the air, her zimmer frame was shaking with the laughing and she was doing as she was doing. And as for her friends, we'll call them Biddy and Eileen, they were a little less than helpful. They were laughing so hard that Biddy crashed into a different door and went flying onto the floor. There was a moment where they stopped laughing as busy wasn't Biddy wasn't moving, but then she stuck the hand in the air and chaos ensued. Once more, Eiling was crossing her legs trying not to have an accident and Betty was still in her back on the floor, not able to get up. Eventually Fashion was able to get up, but Biddy and Eileen could only continue by crawling on the floor, then proceeded to knock on the door and try it all again. This went on for a long time, so I can only imagine how late this was. If you're in the room, they were outside. So of course when the couple returned looking for answers, I was speechless. I did not know how to describe to them what I saw, so I let them look in the camera and they both just turned to me and said well, fair enough. Then we all agreed that we hope we have that much Fun for our 80th birthdays. So ladies, whenever I think of this story, I can just picture the two of you like this for your 80th birthdays and I very much hope it would be like I will be like that too. It also reminds me of a different hotel where an active retirement group were staying at the and the barman had to submit a written complaint about the bruises on his bum from them pinching him on his way past every single time. Oh my God.
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Let that energy find me. Let that elderly energy find me.
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That would just be wouldn't that be that I have an auntie called Betty now she has a walking tip not a zimmer friend could be that Betty she would be up to stuff like.
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That Let that energy find me. Oh like I. I hope I never stop that's my dream for myself I know it's cool I really do I don't think I will to be honest I and Vogue you'll come back at some stage come back from work retirement you know the way you go to bed at six and all I think I don't know I think even other wind in you at some point you.
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Know maybe when you turn it this would have been gone on going on at 10 o'.
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Clock.
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Yeah this isn't three in the morning.
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Your prune juice from your care or getting your nappy changed you'd be on your you'd be on your eighth now. Yeah. Getting your bedsores down to getting turned I'll be out drunk around in the hallway enjoying my life I will never.
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Under understand how Joanne made it unscathed to 80 and I'm.
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I know I'll be like folks so she's long dead.
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She's in Brian. Brian.
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Okay what are those balloons called? What are the balloons called? The kids do the gas Gas balloons.
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That's it Laughing gas.
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I'd be dragging the tank around the cafeteria with me off my chops with just a face of you stuck to a balloon remember she's dead.
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That would suggest I'm halfway through my life right now. Don't send me over the edge I'm trying to have a nice day here. I'm getting to 95 I've decided thank you so much for listening we will see you on the main on Friday.
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Episode: MTGM EXTRA! "My friend's husband..."
Hosts: Vogue Williams & Joanne McNally
Date: November 12, 2025
In this MTGM Extra! episode, Vogue and Joanne dive into hilarious, candid chat and listener dilemmas, balancing their signature “unqualified advice” with infectious humor. This week, the pair discuss chaotic mornings, hotel misadventures, and tackle a spicy listener problem: developing an irresistible crush on a friend’s husband.
Location update: Joanne’s broadcasting from her “office” in Derry, Vogue’s in London.
Motherhood mayhem: Vogue recounts a hectic school run—including carrying her son Otto, his scooter, and the family dog ([00:47]).
Sleep troubles: Both hosts swap tales of rough nights. Joanne blames Red Bull and “emotionally unregulated” hotel rooms ([01:37]).
True Crime & Book Club:
Joanne recommends the dramatized Murdoch Murders on Disney Plus ([02:30]), describing it as a “true crime beauty.”
Vogue shouts out “One Good Thing” by Alexandra Potter, loving it “from the second page” ([05:00]).
The pair banter about Vogue’s use of abbreviations, with Joanne threatening to fund “a clinic to treat abbreviations” ([06:08]).
Notable Quote (Joanne, 06:08):
“There’s a clinic we can send her to—to treat abbreviations. I’m willing to chip in.”
Caroline Flack Documentary:
All’s Fair & Kim Kardashian’s Acting:
Timestamp: [14:28 – 19:38]
Vogue suggests the feelings are more about unfulfilled intimacy in the listener’s marriage, reminding her that fantasies are normal.
Joanne is blunter, saying that situations like this—friends fancying partners—are common and many affairs begin this way.
They both agree: Do not pursue the attraction, especially with a holiday planned with the couple; enjoy the fantasy but avoid crossing boundaries.
Notable Quote (Vogue, 17:29):
“Even when you're married, it doesn't mean that your brain just switches off...it's completely normal to think people are attractive.”
Notable Quote (Joanne, 16:53):
“I think this happens all the time...I’d say a lot of affairs happen because of it. Because ultimately your partner, long term, you're bored of them after a while and then you [get] fresh meat...”
Notable Quote (Joanne, 18:18):
“If you're an attractive person who gets a lot of your validation from being attractive, that muscle doesn't go away...you need that for the rest of your life.”
Timestamp: [19:57 – 23:48]
A couple complained about noisy neighbors, thinking they’d been placed near a hen party.
On reviewing security footage, the culprit turned out to be a group of elderly women (for an 80th birthday), drunk and playing “ding-dong ditch” at 2am—one even falling over with her zimmer frame ([21:16]).
Both the hosts and the aggrieved couple find the story hilarious and heartwarming, agreeing they hope to be as wild at 80.
Notable Quote (Joanne, 22:53):
“Let that [elderly] energy find me. Oh, like, I hope I never stop — that's my dream for myself.”
On mindless TV:
On fantasy vs reality:
On growing old disgracefully:
The hosts mix playful teasing, unfiltered honesty, and quick wit, tackling taboo topics and everyday mishaps with warmth and irreverence. Their banter is unmistakably Irish, full of shorthand, gentle slagging, and genuine empathy.
Expect more “therapy” from friends than professionals, more laughter than lecturing, and a willingness to confront awkward truths head-on—whether it’s about celebrity trash TV, marital fantasies, or future wild nights in a retirement home.