MTGM EXTRA! "No pants... No nothing."

Summary

Podcast Summary: My Therapist Ghosted Me – Episode: MTGM EXTRA! "No pants... No nothing."

Release Date: June 18, 2025
Hosts: Vogue Williams & Joanne McNally
Episode Title: MTGM EXTRA! "No pants... No nothing."

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Introduction and Welcome

The episode begins with a warm welcome from Joanne McNally and Vogue Williams, accompanied by a brief appearance from Joe, who humorously mentions taking a short break.

• Joanne McNally [00:10]: "Hello. Welcome to another episode of My Therapist Ghosted Me. Thank you so much for joining us. That is Vogue Williams and I am Joanne McNally. Welcome back, Joe."
• Vogue Williams [00:26]: "Thanks, mate."

Selling Stories and Media Interest

The hosts delve into the challenges of media intrusion and the constant attempts by outlets to sell stories about their personal lives. They express skepticism about the truthfulness of such stories and the media's genuine interest in them.

• Joanne McNally [02:14]: "We don't think there's any truth in any of us."
• Vogue Williams [02:21]: "I limit myself to selling one story on each of you per calendar year."

Skincare Fads and DIY Facial Machines

Joanne shares her experience with a DIY facial machine she purchased from TikTok, which promised to give her the "face of Bella Hadid." The device turned out to be ineffective and even dangerous, leading to her discarding it after negative feedback from followers.

• Joanne McNally [03:18]: "I was running it over my face and I think I obviously spoke about it on Instagram because I was like, oh, girls get a lot of this. Look, I'm gonna look like Bella Hadid. And then a follower messaged me and she said... you might as well be running Christmas lights over your face."

Joe adds to the discussion by mentioning an influencer who bizarrely applies her own feces as a face mask, highlighting the extremes of influencer trends.

• Joe [05:24]: "She'd put feces on her face and putting it on TikTok. Like I wouldn't be able to bear the smell."

Influencer Practices and Controversies: Bonnie Blue on OnlyFans

The conversation shifts to Bonnie Blue, a well-known figure who was reportedly banned from OnlyFans for attempting extreme content. The hosts discuss the implications of such bans and speculate on the authenticity of the reported reasons.

• Joanne McNally [06:48]: "Bonnie Blue has been banned from OnlyFans."
• Vogue Williams [07:11]: "I think she's fine."

Joanne elaborates on the story, mentioning Bonnie's attempt to engage in an extreme "gang bang" scenario, which likely led to her ban.

• Joanne McNally [07:38]: "She was trying to get another giant super gang bang going. 2,000 men. She was trying to ride 2,000 men in a day."

The Reality of OnlyFans Monetization

Joe and Joanne discuss the financial aspects of OnlyFans, including the platform's fee structure. Joe uses an AI-generated example to illustrate how creators' earnings are significantly reduced after platform and agent fees.

• Joe [10:05]: "AI said that she charges $10 a month for her OnlyFans subscription. With around a thousand subscribers, she could be earning roughly $10,000 a month. However, OnlyFans takes 20%, leaving her with approximately $8,000 a month. And then she's going to have to pay her agent to 20% of that and then she's going to have to pay 50% of that. So really she's making about £2,000 to £2,500 a month doing OnlyFans content. Is it worth it?"

Packing Tips: The Life-Changing Packing Cubes

Joanne passionately discusses her love for packing cubes, emphasizing how they have revolutionized her travel experience. Joe contributes by suggesting additional packing strategies to streamline the process further.

• Joanne McNally [13:22]: "The suggestion of the packing cubes has changed my life."
• Joe [14:02]: "Now, this might feel a lot to you, but as I've been in your house and I've seen your cupboards of extensive skin care, this is the next thing..."

Anecdotes: Joe’s Travel Mishap in Bangalore

Joe recounts a personal story about a business trip that went disastrously wrong. After a night of partying, he forgets his essential items, arriving in Bangalore without any clothes or makeup, leading to an uncomfortable and embarrassing stay.

• Joe [14:35]: "I was wearing my silk top boots on a black tracksuit, thinking about what a stupid little I am and that I must take myself immediately to rehab on my return to Amsterdam."
• Joanne McNally [17:28]: "I really do. I don't think I've ever been that bad. But I've certainly arrived with like, you know, very important [items]."

Joanne empathizes, sharing similar frustrations about forgotten essentials during travels.

• Joanne McNally [18:01]: "I am now also commando at this point because everything's used, done and dusted and I am not replacing it because my suitcase is already 60kg overweight."

Upcoming Shows and Amsterdam Adventures

The hosts discuss Joanne’s upcoming show in Amsterdam and her spontaneous decision to stay on a barge for an extended period. They highlight Amsterdam’s attractions and share nostalgic memories.

• Joanne McNally [19:22]: "My last show is in Amsterdam on the 17th of June."
• Joe [20:21]: "Amsterdam is the best tourist place to go to. They've got the best museums..."

Nostalgia: Remembering Mr. Ben

In a nostalgic segment, Joe reminisces about the children's show "Mr. Ben," sparking playful banter about its episodes and characters. The conversation blends humor with a touch of sentimentality.

• Joe [21:18]: "Does anyone remember Mr. Ben? Look at Mr. Ben, he looks like Spencer Matthews."
• Joanne McNally [22:27]: "That would be plagiarism. That's it, everybody. Thank you so much for listening."

Conclusion

The episode wraps up with light-hearted remarks and teasers for future content, maintaining the hosts' signature blend of honesty and humor.

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Notable Quotes:

• Joanne McNally [03:18]: "I kind of electrocutes your face up."
• Joe [10:05]: "AI said that she charges $10 a month for her OnlyFans subscription... So really she's making about £2,000 to £2,500 a month doing OnlyFans content. Is it worth it?"
• Joanne McNally [17:28]: "I really do. I don't think I've ever been that bad."

Conclusion:

In this episode of My Therapist Ghosted Me, Vogue Williams and Joanne McNally engage in candid and humorous discussions about media intrusion, skincare fads, influencer controversies, travel mishaps, and personal anecdotes. Their relatable banter and honest insights provide listeners with both entertainment and valuable reflections on navigating modern life’s complexities.

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Transcript

[Vogue Williams]

This is a Global Player original podcast.

[Joanne McNally]

Hello. Welcome to another episode of My therapist Ghosted me. Thank you so much for joining us. That is Vogue Williams and I am Joanne McNally. Welcome back, Joe.

[Vogue Williams]

Thanks, mate.

[Joe]

He's gone back holidays now this afternoon though, so he's just back for a quick whiz.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, I just missed you both a lot and needed to check in, I'm sure.

[Joanne McNally]

My God, you couldn't even fake that that was.

[Joe]

I'll be honest. I'll be honest. When you spend a lot of time.

[Joanne McNally]

I've ever heard, Joseph, you need a break from people.

[Joe]

I'm sorry, like I. We. Oh listeners, by the way, we have got. We have a break coming up. We are going to tell you when the break is happening. But let's all be honest. What? Be happy to have a break from each other for two weeks. And you'll be happy to have a break from us too, maybe.

[Joanne McNally]

Actually, no. Van. Joe. I enjoy chatting to you guys.

[Joe]

If I say out of the. Out of the three of us, you'd probably like to have the break from us most, that's not at all.

[Joanne McNally]

You. You underestimate and I'm going to pull the single woman card. You both have family and children. I have no one.

[Vogue Williams]

You.

[Joanne McNally]

You're my family.

[Vogue Williams]

Absence makes the heart grow fonder though, doesn't it?

[Joe]

You're my family.

[Joanne McNally]

You're my family. She says, selling stories on the two of them. How dare you. This is my social scene. You're my connection to the outside world. I work alone, okay? It's a lonely life on the road. I enjoy checking in, but it's nice to know where you both stand on it.

[Joe]

Thanks, I'll. If Johan sold a story on. I would never be more shocked. The only more shocked I'd be is if my mother sold a story on me. I'd be like, what? And I wouldn't even be annoyed. I'd be like, well done.

[Joanne McNally]

Well, you're both lucky that cuz I'm not massively financially motivated. So. And also I've such. I've such a terrible memory that I'd get all the facts wrong and they wouldn't be able to publish it in the end.

[Joe]

Like, oh, they still publish it. Don't worry about that.

[Joanne McNally]

An ill informed sketchy source has suggested. But we don't think there's any truth in any of us.

[Vogue Williams]

I limit myself to selling one story on each of you per calendar year.

[Joe]

I think that's. Listen, if you've got to make things work, my friend had her Kids Communion coming up recently, and she asked, could I sell a story? And he said, yeah, go on, get her the nice dress.

[Joanne McNally]

Get her the dress.

[Joe]

I.

[Joanne McNally]

When I find it slightly insulting that none of the stories have managed the press, but I continue to work below sea level when it comes to press and media. And it's fine, it's fine, it's fine. Like, you could try and sell stories on me. They won't. They won't take them, is the problem.

[Joe]

I mean, if we're really honest, they're not gonna. They're not really that interested in either of us. Not when you've got your head. Actually, I shouldn't say that. Touchwood. Touchwood. But, like, I'm not that interesting. I'm not.

[Joanne McNally]

Well, they certain. The Daily Mail, certainly, they. They certainly. They churn out a lot, as there's an old saying, making chicken soup out of chicken. Have you heard of that?

[Joe]

No, but that's.

[Joanne McNally]

We used to say it in PR where you'd have. You'd have a terrible brand or a bad job, and you're like, okay, let's make chicken soup out of chicken. And it's a way of spinning something mundane and boring into something interesting. And.

[Joe]

Yeah, well, I've had that done to me by influencers. You know, when you see something, you're like, wow, that looks amazing. And then you're like, I'm gonna buy it. And you buy it and you're like, that's shite. Is it me or is it that product that they're trying to flog at me?

[Joanne McNally]

I did that with a facial. I got sucked into one of these Tick Tock kind of cell DIY facial machine things that you. It kind of. It was apparently going to give you the face of Bella Hadid, which in my deluded brain seems like something that I can possibly do by buying something for a fiver off Tick Tock. And it kind of electrocutes your face up. Yeah. And it. And it. So I bought it anyway. And I was. I was running it over my face and I think I obviously spoke about it on Instagram because I was like, oh, girls get a lot of this. Like, look, I'm gonna look like Bella Hadid. And then a follower messaged me and she said, oh, I spoke to my face just about this. You might as well be running Christmas lights over your face. And it really stuck with me and I tossed it away. Awful, awful waste that the masks.

[Joe]

I will say, I think now they'll never work as well as if you go in to get A facial. But the masks with the red light, they actually do work. But you have to be consistent with them.

[Joanne McNally]

I think they do as well. I have. I was sent one of them by Shark and I do. I.

[Joe]

And like, you look like Hannibal lecture in that.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah. It's not wearing. It isn't the most glam, but I do think it does. I think if you use it every day, I do think it has an effect.

[Joe]

I do remember that influencer. I'd only popped up the other day for some reason who was putting feces, her own feces on her face. Because she said it like. And she'd put it on so neatly and everything. So it literally like a proper face mask. She'd been putting her own feces on her face and putting it on Tik Tok. Like I wouldn't be able to bear the smell.

[Joanne McNally]

Like I. How have I missed that now? I. I love a facial.

[Joe]

I just. I don't think you'd like that facial. I don't. I couldn't put six. No feces. Not on my face. No way.

[Vogue Williams]

Health professionals were forced at the time to point out that that is really not a good idea. Don't. Definitely don't do do that.

[Joanne McNally]

It's quite extreme. Like that's not really. Like. I've heard of people like drinking a raw egg, you know, and even that. But I'm. I'm not putting feces on my face. Imagine garage shock if I was dragging a commode around on the road. Like, what's that for? Don't worry about it. None of your business.

[Joe]

A little Chilean McKeith lunchbox.

[Joanne McNally]

Just a bit of me time, if you don't mind. Garage.

[Joe]

You know, we talk about those people who have. Like who. Like that man who you. Who you told me about, who put. He put. Basically dug up this woman and danced around with her body. Like things like that. And the girl who put feces on her face, I'm like, if that was my child, like, I just. That's how I put myself in the position. I'm like, I just. I don't know. I. I'd feel like I failed as a parent if my child was dragging around a dead body to dance with, I'd be like, well, you them up. There's something you did that made them like that.

[Joanne McNally]

Well, I still think that was romantic. But anyway, speaking of children who. You mightn't. Sweet. How would I. How would I put this now, diplomatically, speaking of children who have questionable jobs, I think that's the way to go in about it. Did you hear? Bonnie Blue has been banned from only fans.

[Joe]

Oh, why I should start her own thing.

[Joanne McNally]

She was doing more extreme gang banging. I think she was trying to ride 2,000 ads in a day or something. And I read now I, I was kind of half asleep when I read it. And you know, the way I keep falling for fake news and AI. But, but to me, it looks like a legitimate story. She's been banned from only Fans. Joe, can you confirm or deny? Can you fact check?

[Vogue Williams]

I think Ferrari now. I think she's fine.

[Joe]

She, yeah, but she has her own, like, porn sites and everything that she doesn't just do only fans. It brings a fact. And she probably, she probably has her own. She's like gathered a customer base or something from there who will probably contact her privately. And then she's not paying whatever percentage I'm sure she has to pay to Only Fans.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, she's a Ferrari.

[Vogue Williams]

She's never coming back.

[Joe]

She must have done something. She must have. Like, you'd have to do something really bad to be banned from.

[Joanne McNally]

She was trying to get another giant super gang bang going. 2000 men. She was trying to ride 2000 men in a day.

[Joe]

I don't think it would be that. Because if they're happy with her to ride a thousand men. What's 2,000 men? You can't be like, oh, no, sorry, that's actually, our limit's 1,000. You can't do.

[Joanne McNally]

I'm only telling you what I read on my very reliable news source. Tick a tock.

[Joe]

I actually, I saw a girl the other day and I said, you remind me, who do you look like? Who do people say you look like? And then I was like, in my head, I was like, oh, she looks like Bonnie Blue. I can't tell her that. I don't know how she take it. You.

[Joanne McNally]

She thought she looked like Bonnie Blue.

[Joe]

I thought she looked like Bonnie Blue. But I was like, who do people say you look like? And then it clicked in my head and I was like, I'm not, not gonna tell her. I'll just.

[Joanne McNally]

Well, I have to say, I, I, I do think Bonnie Blue is beautiful. Even though I think her carry on with the whole cheat on your wife, that whole angle that she's doing with. Oh, yeah, cheating your wife because she's lazy in the sack. I hate, I hate it. I hate it so much. And I know it's rage bait and all that jazz, but it genuinely triggers the out of me. But I do think she is beautiful. If I was getting Ridden that much, I'd look like a bin bag. I'm a fan.

[Joe]

Not anymore. On the only fans. Are you going to cancel your subscription now?

[Joanne McNally]

I'm a fan of her appearance. I'm a fan of her appearance. I, I don't like. I don't particularly enjoy the angle that she's taking on it all, but I am a fan of her appearance.

[Joe]

I would like to have a go of only fans. Not, not to be honest, obviously, but I'd like to have a go and see what ha. Like what you do on it, like when you pay for it. What do you guess? Do you know what I mean? Have any of us ever done that? Has anyone ever done that? Any of the listeners? Like, do you pay for anyone to, to see their stuff and what's good? Like, I don't actually know that much about it. I only hear about stuff that's like really sexual but like, I don't know, maybe it's just there's a soaking toes and stuff going on as well. Like not that I, I heard the.

[Joanne McNally]

Grapevine that Lily Allen is making 3 million a month with the feed thing.

[Joe]

It's not true.

[Joanne McNally]

And I said I just don't think that's true. There was. It came up in conversation about the feet and the only fans thing. And she's the kind of. The most famous person I know selling. I think she stopped now, but she was selling.

[Joe]

I started in a feed shoot recently.

[Joanne McNally]

Oh, she's. I'd heard she'd stop but Anyway, I heard 3 million a month and I said the thing with only fans is the fees are grossly exaggerated in my humble opinion, I believe. Because if you're making 3 million, like, you know what I mean? For putting. She's making a bit of porridge that I don't.

[Joe]

AI said that she charges $10 a month for her only fan subscription. With around a thousand subscribers, she could be earning roughly $10,000 a month. However, only fans takes 20%, leaving her with approximately $8,000 a month. And then she's going to have to pay her agent to 20% of that and then she's going to have to pay 50% of that. So really she's making about 3,000, 2,000, two and a half thousand pounds sterling a month to be doing all that fee content. Is it worth it?

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, you see, the, the number thing is, girl, I met someone at a highest party recently who said that they'd googled how much I was worth and apparently I'm worth £8.5 million. Yeah. And I was like, listen, if I was. If I was worth £8.5 million, I wouldn't be at this house party. Do you know what I mean? I'd be in the Caribbean.

[Joe]

Let me see what it says about me. Sometimes I read Spenny gets really happy when they write stuff like that. He's like, oh, wow, did you see this, darling? And I'm like, yeah, but it doesn't like. And he's like. I'm like, it's not true.

[Joanne McNally]

I don't know who's crunching the numbers on these websites. I really don't. Me, by the sayings of it, because they're obviously shit at maths. Excuse me.

[Joe]

Oh, I'm worth. Well, Joanne, you're a lot richer than me. I'm worth 2.3 million, supposedly. And Spencer's worth 12.5 million. Well, I can tell you what. Hey, I'm not going to get into it.

[Joanne McNally]

I wonder what.

[Joe]

Neither of them are true.

[Joanne McNally]

I wonder what. Yeah, they're the other way around. They've just missed. They've just put you under him and him under you.

[Joe]

No, you're eight, I'm two. Spenny's 12.

[Joanne McNally]

So you wouldn't know what I'd be doing on the side. You wouldn't know what sort of nixers I'd be doing.

[Joe]

She's on the of. I know she is. I can smell it off her. I saw there's a guy that I used to work with and he's really, really nice and he went on to. He started doing only fans content now. His bod is amazing. He looks great and. But, like, he's really pissed off because he lost jobs with certain brands and I'm like, that's, like, that's what's gonna happen sometimes. Some brands don't want to be aligned with only fans and there's nothing that you can do about it. They just don't want to be aligned with that. You can't really get annoyed by their company policies. Like, some people don't want to be aligned with me either, for other reasons.

[Joanne McNally]

For me, yeah, we've had. I've heard through the grapevine brand that people have offered us to brands and the brands have literally vomited on their own feet and said, are you fucking high? I'm not gonna touch those slabs.

[Joe]

What's wrong with those girls?

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, they're like, it's like the olden days. Or like, not the olden days when I worked in a pub and one of the girls went on holidays and I tried to get her shift. And the manager said, I'd rather have no one on than have you on. I'd rather the bar fell apart and we had to close the doors than have you work on an extra shift. I was like, oh, thank you.

[Joe]

Well, take it as a compliment. He obviously just had you there for your personality.

[Joanne McNally]

So I like, he's intimidated by me. That's what it is, you know, intimidated. I just want to say food. MacWalms. The suggestion of the packing cubes has changed my life.

[Joe]

Do you love them?

[Joanne McNally]

And how I, how I've. Why I didn't do this six years ago is beyond me. But it's changed my life.

[Joe]

You know.

[Joanne McNally]

Like there's no, there's no, you know, the way. Usually like a bomb goes off and there's, I need it. There's clothes everywhere. There's nothing. They're just all.

[Joe]

She gonna send me a voucher.

[Vogue Williams]

I just don't know her anymore.

[Joe]

She gonna send me a voucher for restaurants because I give her that.

[Joanne McNally]

It's me and Gro, me and girl. And now I have growed on the packing cubes and it's, it's a main point of conversation for the whole European tour is the packing cubes.

[Joe]

Now this might feel a lot to you, but as I've been in your house and I've seen your cupboards of extensive skin care, this is the next thing, particularly for someone like you, particularly because you're on tour for the next two years. You should have a separate toiletry bag that is only for holidays and tour. And then you just say, oh, where's my holidays and tour toiletry bag? And just chuck it in so you're not having to go through that takes about 15 minutes of packing sometimes.

[Joanne McNally]

That's a really good idea. Yeah.

[Joe]

God, I love packing so much. I really do. Okay.

[Joanne McNally]

It's a journey.

[Joe]

Hi girls. After the talk this week about Spencer heading off to Canada without a jumper and taking spontaneous trips, I had to write in about what might be the stupidest thing I ever did. I was working for a bit. Did I ever tell you that Amber moved to Australia? She just reminded me but I forgot. She actually emigrated.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah.

[Joe]

It came back a month later. I was working for a big corporate on their events team and had to fly out to India for a four day event. The company were big on safety so I had to take a pair of steel to toe cap boots for the event buildup which were not gorge, but nonetheless I was very much looking forward to the business class Emirates flight. God, lovely. I was flying on a Sunday night and that day I also had a boat party. I live in Amsterdam so I figured I could do both. Uhoh. Being the forward thinking, organized corporate girly I like to think I am, I laid out my suitcase and all my clothes and bits and bobs ready for a quick departure to the airports. After the boat party, one, two, skip a few and three sheets to the wind in a fairly major way and very late for my car pickup to the airport, I drunkenly run into my house, grab my suitcase and hand the driver who takes me to the airport unloads it and checks it in for me while I enjoy the full Emirates lounge experience. Re champagne.

[Joanne McNally]

Nice.

[Joe]

Fourteen hours later, after making a load of new piles on plane, the calling for refills, a quick blurry stopover in Dubai, I arrive in Bangalore feeling extremely sorry for myself. Only to be faced with an hour long journey through traffic with constant blaring noise. Needless to say, I was thrilled to get to the hotel ready to take out my contacts, get into my PJs and sleep off the many bad decisions I'd made that day. My thrill turned to horror shortly after arriving in my room, throwing open my suitcase only to find a lone pair of steel cap boots, no makeup, no clothes, no contact lens solution, no, no. Oh no. No pants, no nothing. I managed to grab an empty suitcase and leave all my perfectly prepared packing sitting there on my bed at home. Oh God, oh God. I don't have time. I didn't have time to shop between preparing for the event and it's safe to say Bangalore has no boots or super drug for cosmetic replacements. Oh, I spent four days in 30 degrees going commando, wearing my silk top boots on a black tracksuit, thinking about what a stupid little I am and that I must take myself immediately to rehab on my return to Amsterdam.

[Joanne McNally]

No, I. I feel this woman's pain. I really do. I don't think I've ever been that bad. I don't think I've ever arrived with nothing. But I've certainly arrived with like, you know, very important. But you're like, how at this point with this much travel, have I still forgotten, you know, my electric toothbrush or you know, my all my bras and knickers or whatever it is and it's so frustrating you just want to punch yourself in the face. I mean, she made the flight, that's the main thing. I think everything else can be replaced.

[Joe]

Well, it wasn't replaced. She was sweating around Bangalore in a black tracksuit with no makeup on.

[Joanne McNally]

Well, if it's any consolation, I am now also commando at this point because everything's. Everything's used, done and dusted and I am not replacing it because my suitcase is already 60kg overweight. Can't even take another socket socket. What are the socks called? What are the little socks called that aren't real socks?

[Joe]

Pop socks.

[Joanne McNally]

Pop socks.

[Joe]

A pop sock. I wouldn't be able for that, particularly if I'd actually gone to the extent of packing. That's how I felt last week when Spenny forgot my entire wardrobe of dresses and I had to wear. That dress was so unflattering on me and I. I didn't like it. I felt really. And I know a lot of people like that dress, but you know when it was just a little bit. No, it was too tight on me and I felt really unattractive and ugly for the day.

[Joanne McNally]

Oh, I loved it.

[Joe]

I would have been so nice in my blue dress. But no, I had to be unattractive and ugly for the day. And then someone commented under the post, is she pregnant again?

[Joanne McNally]

What?

[Joe]

Yeah. And then they said Spenny looked really old because he'd lost too much weight. I was like, great.

[Joanne McNally]

People are so uplifting, aren't they? It's great to get a little pep talk online every now and again.

[Joe]

Well, I was glad. It really made me feel good after already feeling bad.

[Joanne McNally]

My last show is in Amsterdam on the 17th of June. And then. Do you know where I'm. Do you know what I'm gonna do?

[Joe]

What?

[Joanne McNally]

I'm staying an extra five days on a barge.

[Joe]

Shut up.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah.

[Joe]

To just to go and look at Amsterdam.

[Joanne McNally]

Booked about. Well, I. I don't think I can drive the barge. Basically, when I was in Amsterdam the last time, Joe Lyset was there with his partner and the kid and we were hanging out and they were staying on a barge and I was like, I'll do that. So. And I. Obviously with Lauren now, the. The second I have a thought, it actually happens. So. Because she's so efficient. So next thing I know, I'm booked onto a barge and I kind of didn't really think it through anyway. I'm sleeping on the canals now for five days myself, and I just hope I don't have a couple of drinks and try and drive it to Wales or something.

[Joe]

Well, I'd be more hoping that you don't have a couple of drinks and miss the boat and just step into the canal, to be honest with you. That was my first thought.

[Joanne McNally]

It's quite long it's quite long.

[Joe]

Oh my God, I can't wait for the barge tour.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, that's really cool. I'm just trying to have experiences, you know.

[Joe]

Amsterdam is the best tourist place to go to. Like they've got the best museums and if you go a little far out on, on the train, it's only like half an hour on the train. They've got these gorgeous little towns where you can, there's one that you can go to the beach to. I used to, remember I used to do that travel show. I used to do a travel show. I basically didn't make any money by the time I'd finished filming and like buying myself a gift in each city. So I just came home with nothing. But I used it as a travel experience and like we went, yeah, we went out to, we went out to this place about half an hour from Amsterdam and it was beside a beach and everything. It was really rammed. Gorgeous restaurants. You should do all that nice stuff.

[Joanne McNally]

I will do it, I will do it. I, I'll drive the bars there.

[Joe]

I've always wanted to go. It's. There's a name for it. What's it called, Joe? When people go along like all the canals, what is it called? There's a TV show about it and everything, isn't it for us?

[Vogue Williams]

Canoeing, cruising.

[Joanne McNally]

No, that's kayaking.

[Joe]

Cruising. Jesus Christ. That's a very different thing.

[Joanne McNally]

Do you remember what. Do you ever watch Rosie and Jim? Do you remember them? I'm going looking for my gym.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, I don't think they were romantically involved, were they?

[Joanne McNally]

They were romantically involved. They were Joe.

[Vogue Williams]

I don't know that they were. There was no suggestion that they, they had.

[Joanne McNally]

Didn't they kind of suggestively close the door in the canal at night?

[Vogue Williams]

Oh they did, didn't they?

[Joe]

Does anyone remember Mr. Ben? Look at Mr. Ben, he looks like Spencer Matthews. Every time Spencer's in a suit I'm like, there's Mr. Ben again. Remember Mr. Ben used to go into a dress up shop in a suit and he'd go in and he'd like choose a fancy dress outfit and then he'd go and be an astronaut for the day or a zookeeper for the day depending on what outfit he chose. What a show. I can't believe everyone's missed that. Or did I totally make that up?

[Joanne McNally]

I don't.

[Joe]

I'm writing a book about it. If I did.

[Vogue Williams]

It went out on the BBC between 1971 and 1972. So when, when was it you were born?

[Joe]

Again.

[Vogue Williams]

Or when you say you were born.

[Joe]

Excuse me, Joe, for fuck's sake. It wasn't in 71 or 72. It was an 85.

[Vogue Williams]

Episodes were repeated twice a year for 21 years.

[Joe]

So there you go. Thank you very much. I'm trying not to.

[Joanne McNally]

The royalties he's getting Mr. Ben.

[Joe]

I think they should bring Mr. Ben back. Well, that. That's it. I actually thought that I'd made the whole thing up myself, because no one's heard of it. And I was like, I might write a book about that.

[Joanne McNally]

That would be plagiarism.

[Joe]

Well, now I know it's going to be plagiarism. That's it, everybody. Thank you so much for listening. And we will be back with the main on Friday. Friday. Sam.