MTGM EXTRA! "Sail on Queen... That guy is a LOSER."

Summary

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My Therapist Ghosted Me – MTGM EXTRA! "Sail on Queen... That guy is a LOSER."

Hosts: Vogue Williams & Joanne McNally
Date: July 8, 2026
Episode Theme:
A candid, comedic debrief of the hosts' social exploits (Wimbledon, Harry Styles concert), self-awareness about social privilege, honesty about cancelling plans, the etiquette of ghosting/blocking in modern dating, and the power dynamics of “being right.” Listeners’ dilemmas and audience emails round out this extra episode.

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Main Topics & Discussion Points

1. Social Calendar Chaos: Wimbledon & Harry Styles (00:54–11:48)

• Joanne’s Social Overload:

  • Recaps her stacked day: recording the podcast, attending Wimbledon, then bailing on a Harry Styles concert.
  • “I was Wimbledon and Harry Styles. Now, obviously, that…may sound very booked and busy. That’s an unusual state of affairs.” (02:56)

• Wimbledon High Jinks:

  • Joanne jokes about being the “childfree aunt” at kids’ parties.
  • Admits she only watched some tennis but is self-aware about the privilege of being invited:
    • “I’m also very aware that we are very lucky that we do get tickets to stuff like this...I did also go and watch the tennis...I didn’t just sit on the lawn getting deranged all day.” (04:55)
  • Branded tennis balls and influencer absurdities:
    • Vogue notes her “Bear by Vogue” team is at Wimbledon with pink tennis balls.
    • Joanne quips: “On balls, it doesn’t look good, but on women, it looks great.” (08:01)

• Harry Styles Ticket Drama:

  • Joanne confesses to bailing on the Harry Styles concert last minute.
  • Speculation about rescheduling perks and mysterious ticket sources: “If you see me hanging out with Zoe Kravitz, don’t be too shocked.” (03:30)
  • Group tries to guess when she dropped out. Joanne admits to “reputational damage from bailing,” revealing it was around 4:30–5:00pm, after hours of shame and buildup before finally cancelling. (12:39–13:12)

2. Truth, Lies, & Public Perception (13:25–16:35)

• Vogue’s (possibly) Imaginary Claim to Harry Styles Fame:

  • Vogue tells a convoluted story about Harry Styles referencing her in print as someone he’d date – later clarified to being her ex-husband’s girlfriend, not her.
    • “So what I'm saying is Harry Styles is madly enough of me.” (14:09)
    • Spencer tries to fact-check with ChatGPT, prompting banter about story embellishment and confusion:
      • “Are you embellishing, Joe?” (14:40, Spencer)

• Podcast Dynamic & Honesty:

  • Joanne accuses Vogue of stretching stories and confusing listeners:
    • “Sometimes you’ll tell a story and then...you just keep saying it’s true and it’s clearly not true...me and Joe get really confused.” (15:07)
  • Both hosts claim virtue: Joanne says she’s always punctual; Vogue maintains she “never lies.”
    • “I would say I lie probably the least of everybody. I just can’t...I just can’t do it.” (15:36, Joe)

• Fan Intensity & Host Awareness:

  • Caution about discussing any Harry Styles connections due to rabid fan reactions:
    • “Anyone he fancies, they try to assassinate.” (15:49, Joanne)

3. Listener Email: Ghosting, Blocking, and Modern Dating (17:40–21:13)

• Listener's Praise for Blocking as Justice:

  • Emailer weighs in on “blocking the loser Michael Jackson, Farage lover,” arguing that men rarely care about feelings, so it’s empowering for women to block them:
    • “Sail on Queen…That guy is a loser. He lost. Good. No regrets, as they say.” (17:40, Emailer)

• Hosts’ Compassion & Reflections:

  • Joanne’s nuanced view:
    • “I am quite a porous person...I probably am too sympathetic sometimes to the male plight...I just know myself, I wouldn’t [walk out].” (19:20)
    • Would only block/ghost in cases of extreme discomfort or danger (“ask for Angela”).
  • Both agree empathy is important even if someone is “a dick.”
  • Vogue’s take:
    • “Just a general level of soundness amongst us all could take us a long way.” (19:10)
  • Personal anecdotes about being ghosted shaping how they treat others:
    • “I think when I got ghosted that time…that I was like, ‘I’ll never do that to somebody.’” (20:10, Joe)
    • Joanne: empathized so much after a bad breakup that she couldn’t block her ex, even though she could have.

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• “Your kink is being told, ‘You were right all along.’”
  — Joanne McNally (02:32)
• “I have enough self-awareness to know that if you go to Wimbledon...you have to go to the tennis.”
  — Joanne McNally (06:35)
• “If you see me hanging out with Zoe Kravitz, don’t be too shocked.”
  — Joanne McNally (03:30)
• “On balls, it doesn’t look good, but on women, it looks great.”
  — Joanne McNally (08:01)
• “How on earth have you not dropped that clanger before?”
  — Joanne McNally (12:21, about the Harry Styles story)
• “Sail on Queen. That guy is a LOSER. He lost. No regrets, as they say.”
  — Listener Email (17:40)
• “Maybe we’ve just turned into two male apologists who go to Wimbledon.”
  — Joanne McNally (21:08)

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Timeline of Key Segments

| Time | Segment/Theme | |-----------|----------------------------------------------------| | 00:54 | Social plans, Gigi’s party, aunt antics | | 01:55 | Being “right” as relationship pleasure | | 02:56 | Joanne’s stacked social calendar | | 04:55 | Wimbledon privilege & etiquette, caviar jokes | | 08:01 | Absurd branding: pink tennis balls | | 11:01 | Day fatigue, shame about bailing on plans | | 12:39 | Admitting to bailing last minute | | 13:25 | Harry Styles story, truth vs embellishment | | 15:07 | Podcast dynamic & “never lying” claims | | 17:40 | Listener email: blocking men/ghosting | | 19:10 | Empathy, personal stories about being ghosted | | 21:08 | “Male apologists” and self-owning humor |

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Tone & Style

• Trademark irreverence, snark, and affectionate “taking the piss”
• Self-deprecating honesty about their privilege and foibles (“I know I don’t deserve it, but I’m not going to turn it down.”)
• Supportive rapport tempered by playful accusations of lying or exaggerating
• Deep but humorous reflection on social expectations, ghosting, and dating ethics

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode:

This episode showcases Joanne and Vogue’s classic dynamic—honest, chaotic, and hilariously self-aware—as they reflect on the ridiculousness of their social lives, the ethics of bailing and ghosting, and what it means to do “the right thing” (or just whatever feels good in the moment). Audience feedback and personal anecdotes keep it rooted in the real world, even when the stories veer into the fantastical.

Transcript

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[Joanne McNally]

This is a global production. How on earth have you not dropped that clanger before? I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm just here as a pawn in a giant game. He has no respect for me. I'm out.

[Joe]

This is how awful rumors start.

[Joanne McNally]

Getting pumped up for Gigi's birthday party. Some pre drinking.

[Joe]

Imagine you arrived at Gigi's birthday. Absolutely,

[Joanne McNally]

I've seen that. Do you know that I. I need to go up and do one of those fun. You know when the. The cool aunt single, the child free aunt arrives and she's just chain smoking on the slide with the kids. That's what I need to do. That will be you.

[Joe]

Yeah, you can run. I'll give you the. I'll get you a Super Soaker. Will I?

[Joanne McNally]

Do you know what? I'd actually love a Super Soaker.

[Joe]

I know you would. I know all the things that you like.

[Joanne McNally]

Super Soaker.

[Spencer]

I am not Irish but even I know that that was incredibly open.

[Joanne McNally]

I discussed myself.

[Joe]

Well you don't discuss us but I want to know how was Wimbledon. Couldn't get a hold of Rio style and I thought Jesus. Joanne's stories feel very light on the

[Spencer]

Harry for such a busy day. So busy wise that's what. Yeah, wasn't it?

[Joanne McNally]

Maybe yes. For someone with a very thing. Well Vogue she knows full well she likes to poke the bear. She looks to Vogue loves. I think you sexually acclimatized to someone saying you are right. I think that's if Spencer if.

[Joe]

Just give it to me.

[Joanne McNally]

He's struggling and you're taking ages. If he just goes you were right all along. I say she just spasms with pleasure. Is that right?

[Spencer]

We going to need to put a parental advisory on this video. You're about to climax.

[Joe]

I am prepped and ready. Don't worry, I'll save it for the wine bank later. That's your.

[Joanne McNally]

That's your kink. Your kink is being told. Do you know what? You were right all along.

[Joe]

I should have Listened.

[Joanne McNally]

I should have listened to you.

[Joe]

I'm having a big day out. I'm going to do two. Two things. Are you sure you want. And then I started questioning myself. I thought, both. You're pregnant and you're boring. And that's what's happened. You would do two things. And then I thought, I don't think I would do two things. And I know Joanne won't do two things.

[Joanne McNally]

It was two.

[Joe]

It was.

[Joanne McNally]

It was three things, actually, because we had the POD record. And then I was Wimbledon and Harry Styles. Now, obviously, that. May I sound very booked and busy. That's an unusual state of affairs. It's just the way the social calendar fell over the summer. Anyway, I obviously bailed on Harry.

[Joe]

So tell us.

[Joanne McNally]

And he's not. He's not. He's not replying to my text now, so I've obviously pissed him off.

[Joe]

And you've only got two more. He's got two more concerts, though.

[Joanne McNally]

I. I have rescheduled. I'm going in on Saturday.

[Joe]

Are you actually. Sorry, yeah. Who's giving you these tickets that you're rescheduling?

[Joanne McNally]

I know, obviously, I can't. I can't. I. I'm taking the fifth. I'm taking the fifth. But I'm just gonna say, if you see me hanging out with Zoe Kravitz, don't be too shocked.

[Spencer]

She's not going to give any evidence on how she got tickets. I can give a bit of evidence here, just for context. Sake.

[Joanne McNally]

Harry's a big fan of the pod, Joe. As a Zoe.

[Spencer]

Absolutely. So they want you there.

[Joe]

Another thing.

[Spencer]

And I was walking out of Joanne's at 10. No, 11:30.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Spencer]

And I will say that the champagne was open.

[Joanne McNally]

Yes, it was. Because it's Wimbledon day and I'm not playing

[Joe]

if I'm joining. It was hot.

[Joanne McNally]

It was, yeah, Joe, it was hot.

[Spencer]

Dreadfully hot.

[Joe]

It was hot. She was really hot. Yeah. And it's trying to hydrate.

[Joanne McNally]

I was due to play and I said, you know what? CBA couldn't be ours. I might play next year, but this year I'm just gonna have champagne and hang around and dilly dally and. Just one of those really annoying people who everyone's like, you don't even know who's playing.

[Joe]

Did you stay till the end?

[Joanne McNally]

I think I did, actually.

[Spencer]

Were people still playing tennis when you left or.

[Joanne McNally]

I think they were, yeah. There was definitely some tennis happening at Wibbleton that I can't confirm.

[Joe]

Okay, you have to. You have to tell us the truth. How much tennis did you watch?

[Joanne McNally]

I'm very aware of not riling people because I'm also very aware that we are very lucky that we do get tickets to stuff like this. And I'm also aware that there's people queuing and selling organs. Get in. So as funny as I think it is to sound very flippant about it, I did also go and watch the tennis. Just in case anyone thinks I just sat in the lawn getting deranged all day. I didn't. I also saw something.

[Joe]

Well, it's nice. It's nice of you to say that, but like, I don't think any one of our listeners or myself or Joe believe you, but it's nice that you would say that.

[Joanne McNally]

What are you talking about? Of course. Come on now. I know I'm lazy, but I'm not that bad.

[Joe]

Just doesn't feel very.

[Joanne McNally]

Joanne, thank you for Emirates for inviting me in.

[Joe]

Did they have the caviar? Did they have that? They did.

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[Joe]

It looks like they did.

[Joanne McNally]

I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I know I don't deserve it, but I'm certainly not gonna turn it down.

[Joe]

I think he shows.

[Joanne McNally]

I know, it's funny.

[Joe]

This is what happens when you move into such a big mansion like Joanna. Shut up, folk.

[Joanne McNally]

I know what you're trying to do, and I won't have it.

[Joe]

I can finally do is. It makes me so.

[Joanne McNally]

I know what she's doing. Listen, if you want this podcast to fall apart because we have two unrelatable women, fine.

[Joe]

You had people believing I owned a helicopter at 1.2 years ago. I'm here.

[Joanne McNally]

I'm keeping our legs in the ground here, okay? Carry on with this

[Joe]

snorting caviar in the Emirates tent.

[Joanne McNally]

I'm just saying I'm aware. I have enough self awareness to know that if you go to Wimbledon, if you're invite, if you're. If you're lucky enough to be invited in, you have to go to the tennis.

[Joe]

Ah, yeah, they do. They shut. They shuttle you out. They don't let you just sit there getting pissed. They do shut up. But the time part of the boars.

[Joanne McNally]

I was keen to go anyway, okay?

[Joe]

That's what I do.

[Spencer]

When they've made a scene and they're being thrown out, they go. I was going anyway.

[Joe]

Don't push your. Look, she's pushing her.

[Joanne McNally]

Look, They've caused a scene.

[Joe]

She couldn't wait.

[Joanne McNally]

You can't force me to watch it. We can actually.

[Joe]

Well, I'm not. I'm not a. I'm not missing a moment because Bear by Vogue are. We've got the team on the ground there next week, and we've got all these Bear by Vogue tennis balls. And I'm like, sorry, are you serious? Send me the tennis balls and I will be. I will be amongst the crowd doing Wimbledon content. I'm gonna try and shove tennis balls on my heels and wear that.

[Grainger Advertiser 2]

Are you.

[Joanne McNally]

Are you serious?

[Joe]

Yeah. We got Bear by Vogue pink tennis balls.

[Spencer]

Pink. Why not brown?

[Joe]

Oh, because brown doesn't look great.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Come on. Do you want a shitty tennis ball like no one wants?

[Spencer]

Point though.

[Joanne McNally]

No, he's right there. You can't fault him on that one. Now, as marketing. As. As Brandon goes, it should be brown.

[Joe]

Our branding is pink, okay? And we're not doing.

[Joanne McNally]

It would look like people were just hitting fecal matter across the court for the day. On balls, it doesn't look good, but on women, it looks great.

[Joe]

I had to change my whole outfit for women because I had this gorgeous, like, neon. You know, those Serena boot dresses, and it was so neon yellow. And Spenny was like, I love it, but you'll. At Wimbledon, you'll look like a tennis ball. And I actually had to. I was like, you're dead right. I can't wear that to Wimbledon.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah. I'll never forget one of the funniest stories you tell me about Spencer and we do. We do love. We do love his stories. Was when. Do you remember the year that he went into Wimbledon and bought the. Bought the entire costume from the Wimbledon shop?

[Joe]

This is how awful rumors start.

[Joanne McNally]

Did he not do that?

[Joe]

No,

[Joanne McNally]

he's not dressed like a ball boy. What happened?

[Joe]

I thought that's what happened. It's kind of along the lines. It's along the line. Spenny basically invited one of his friends to Wimbledon and he was like, oh, great. It's going to be such a lovely day to go to. And then his friend. You. The friend. That's a friend.

[Joanne McNally]

Sorry, I thought it was Spencer. I just enjoyed that version more, so I just made it happen in my head.

[Joe]

Well, I think it works better. The friend went into Ralph Lauren when Ralph Lauren were, like, sponsoring Wimbledon, and he basically bought the Wimbledon statue. That's like the mannequin. He bought the mannequin. And Spenny was like, you can't. Like, it was too late. He was. He was at Wimbledon when he saw him, and he was like, please. Like, I can't go. Right? This is secondhand embarrassment for me that I'm going around with you. Like, you're dress in their uniform. How did nobody tell you? I think the people in Ralph around

[Joanne McNally]

were like, well, someone has to wear. Why are they selling it?

[Joe]

Who.

[Joanne McNally]

Who's buying it?

[Joe]

I don't know. I don't know. I mean. And I wouldn't have been cheap in there. I would have been waiting for cast offs. I'll get the cast off.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe]

Well, anyway, I'm glad you had a good day. And I did think I did feel Harry Styles was too much. I meant to go to Harry Styles today. I already turned down my ticket and it was with a friend of mine and to say I deeply regret it. And he's texting me and he's like, I'm gonna send you pictures later. And I'm like, don't, because I will block you. I'll block you.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, well, the. The party of people that went when I lost the stamina in the day said it was absolutely brilliant.

[Joe]

I'm trying to think, who in that party is getting you a ticket? Let me see.

[Joanne McNally]

I missed out. Whatever. I. I've rescheduled and I understand how I am lucky. I don't sound like a sport, but obviously with someone. Obviously.

[Joe]

What time did you take? We want to know what time did you say? Oh, no, I couldn't.

[Spencer]

How's it obvious? When did you.

[Joe]

Let's guess. Let's play a guessing game. Don't tell us. Oh, 2:30. 2:30.

[Joanne McNally]

Well, the day was. It was an early start and we wanted to be in for Shania and also obviously with the crowds and the queues and stuff. So the arrangement was to meet in. In around the Wembley area at 5, which is quite early, really. Yeah.

[Spencer]

You were planning to work in a

[Joe]

NASCAR as well, weren't you?

[Joanne McNally]

Well, I mean, once I realized the napping wasn't. Yeah, I know it was. I. I had unrealistic expectations of the day. Okay. I held my hands up and say, I. I miss. I misread the day.

[Joe]

Get your time, Joe. Guess your time.

[Spencer]

I think so. She was.

[Joanne McNally]

I'll check my phone.

[Spencer]

30, I think she was at Wimbledon at one. I think by half past one. I think she won.

[Joe]

She already called it at half one?

[Spencer]

No, because I got a check and someone told her five o' clock and

[Joe]

she went, hey, listeners, get your time in your heads. Get your time in your heads. When did she pull it? Oh, it was bad.

[Joanne McNally]

I don't know. I don't know how. I don't know if this makes me. I don't know how bad this makes me look. I'm, I'm worried about reputational damage.

[Joe]

It's on the way.

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[Joanne McNally]

I'm trying to, just trying to figure out if this is in my interest to share this.

[Joe]

How bad can it be? It can't be that bad. Don't tell me it was midday.

[Joanne McNally]

No, no, it was actually, I, it was, it was later than that. It was quite late. It was, it was around the five o' clock. Mark.

[Joe]

Around the meeting Mark.

[Joanne McNally]

Yes.

[Spencer]

Yeah. Oh, I'm not gonna make it.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, well, I think they were due about half. I've, I think I started trying to make calls at around half four. Yeah, I just knew. And I, and I, I'm, I'm, I'm, you know, I'm allergic to, I'm a, I'm, I, I, I'm a yes woman and I hate, I hate any sort of confrontation. So I'm. Obviously, when I decide I can't do something, I can't make it work. I then, even though I know what I'm going to do, I then have to build myself up to saying I'm not going. And then I just feel, I feel just. I let the shame flow around my body for a solid hour and a half to two hours before I actually just bite the bullet and make the call.

[Joe]

It's awful. Joanne McNally, you're not a, you are not a yes person. What you are is a person who's not late is what I will say. Yeah. And everyone. I say that like, I don't believe that. And I'm like, no, I swear to God, she's never.

[Joanne McNally]

Very punctual.

[Joe]

Very punctual.

[Joanne McNally]

One of my strangest traits.

[Joe]

I don't want, I'm not showing off, but I feel like when we talk about Harry Styles, I should probably bring up that time he spoke about me in an interview. What? Yeah, yeah.

[Joanne McNally]

Are you sure he wasn't saying it? Joined the magazine.

[Joe]

No, no, John, actually, he was referring to my ex husband's current partner and that wasn't me at the time in the magazine, they asked him who he would like to go on a date with and he said my ex husband's name. He said her, his girlfriend and it was me.

[Joanne McNally]

Are you actually taking the piss?

[Joe]

Yeah, so I feel like no.

[Joanne McNally]

So you just said yes, you are taking the piss or no?

[Joe]

I'm not taking the piss.

[Joanne McNally]

Well, you said yes, which was confusing.

[Joe]

So what I'm saying is Harry Styles is madly enough of me.

[Joanne McNally]

Sorry. So how on earth have you not dropped up Clanger before?

[Joe]

I'm sure I have. I'm sure I've brought it up quite a few times.

[Joanne McNally]

Never in my life.

[Joe]

Have you never read that, Joe.

[Grainger Advertiser]

No.

[Spencer]

Joe, is that in print?

[Joe]

It was in print, yeah.

[Spencer]

Are you looking at calling you a liar? I'm not, but I'm saying.

[Joe]

Well, don't you dare. It was.

[Spencer]

It was out there, we'd be able to find it.

[Joanne McNally]

You do have a habit of.

[Joe]

I don't lie about people saying nice things about me.

[Spencer]

Are you embellishing, Joe?

[Joe]

I didn't embellish it at all. I had to bring him up. My ex husband, he didn't even know my actual name. He just knew I existed. That's all I need from Harry.

[Spencer]

I have just asked Chat GPT and it says it doesn't have any record of Harry Stars ever having mentioned you.

[Joanne McNally]

Well, by name.

[Joe]

He doesn't mention me by name. I told you.

[Spencer]

Fine.

[Joanne McNally]

Well, listen, I'm going to get my interest.

[Joe]

Dare you, Joe.

[Spencer]

Well, we got a fact check. It's my job.

[Joanne McNally]

Like so folks, sometimes you'll tell a story and then when we're, when the joke comes to a natural end, you'll just keep going. And then we, we get really confused as to whether it's a true story or not. And you just keep saying it's true and it's clearly not true. And then me and Joe get really confused.

[Joe]

No.

[Joanne McNally]

And then we have to start a separate WhatsApp group to try and figure out what's happening.

[Joe]

So as much as you're never late, I never lie. I can't do it.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, everyone lies. Everyone.

[Joe]

I. I would say I lie. Probably the least of everybody. I'm terror. I can't. I can't even like. I can't even like break rules. I just. There's just this annoying thing in me that I just can't do it. Anyway, I think you need to be

[Joanne McNally]

really careful saying this out loud because the people who are into Harry Styles, anyone he fancies, they try to assassinate.

[Spencer]

Yeah.

[Joanne McNally]

So I would keep this Information. Well, on the podcast.

[Joe]

Are they still at that though, do they not? Like his new, his new, his fiance?

[Joanne McNally]

I think maybe the Harry Styles, his audience have grown up with him and they're not quite as fanatically mad as maybe people were at the start. They've kind of gotten a bit used to them now and yeah, they probably

[Joe]

know that, like their chances that Harry are low.

[Joanne McNally]

Well, when I, when I, when I meet Harry on Saturday, I'll, I'll tell him, tell them that I'm like, I

[Joe]

think, you know, but willing.

[Joanne McNally]

You're obsessed with my podcast wife. Sorry, Zoe. This is awkward for all of us.

[Joe]

Zoe, I know you're standing.

[Joanne McNally]

He said what he said. He said what he said.

[Joe]

He's harbored those feelings for many years. Many, many years.

[Spencer]

Yeah, those words were binding.

[Joe]

Yeah, they were fine. Well, they were for me. They were for me. And if I have to get rid of Spano, I will.

[Joanne McNally]

I'm thrilled for you. I, I just, I, I, I'm in awe of the amount of male attention you get publicly. I had a DM from a guy last week who was a teacher from Leash. Now I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that.

[Joe]

Joanne, we're talking like, we're talking. This is like 12 years ago. This is about the four kids. The four ruined me.

[Joanne McNally]

Doesn't matter.

[Joe]

Well, I can collect all these things.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, you have that in your arsenal, Brian.

[Joe]

I'm in.

[Joanne McNally]

FYI, Friday the 17th of July. I'm going to be an Exeter.

[Joe]

Jesus. That's a random one.

[Joanne McNally]

Powder Ham Castle.

[Spencer]

Wow.

[Joanne McNally]

Stunning Powder Ham castle, Friday the 17th. If anyone's swinging around that area with their, with a bit of free time, pop in. I'll be there doing jokes. Let's have an email.

[Joe]

I love the POD and all the advice. Have never been motivated to write in before, but I was screaming, crying, kicking my feet during the advice to the girl who blocked the loser. Michael Jackson, Farage lover. I know it's technically mean to run out on someone and block them, but oh my God, these men. If the roles were reversed, they would absolutely not hesitate to do whatever they wanted in the situation without a care in the world or a millisecond of thought as to how the other person might feel. Okay, I can understand that. But also, two wrongs don't make a right. Men are so used to having their feelings be thought of as a default that I think it's a brave and genre changing dynamic to just nope out on them. Look at all those losers. Love bombing women and Then ghosting them. Katie Price. Justice for Joanne. And anyway, love you and always agree with the nuance takes, but in this situation, say long Queen. That guy is a loser. He lost Good Rich. No regrets, as they say.

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[Joe]

P.S. joanne, I have my tickets for two of your three nights in San Francisco. Rest assured, I'm counting the day, spreading the word, firing the town, stocking up in the pinot.

[Joanne McNally]

Thank you.

[Joe]

Etc.

[Joanne McNally]

Thank you so much. So, because she's bought tickets, I'm just going to say I agree with everything she says.

[Joe]

Yeah. Because I have just said that I love following rules and I don't lie and stuff to people. I would disagree. I don't think that, like, if someone. If you think there's a possibility of someone being a dick to you, you should be addicted, then I think just to be kind of like. I think just a general level of soundness amongst us all could. Could take us a long way.

[Joanne McNally]

I just know. I know myself. I am quite a porous person. I'm porous. So I take on things as we all do. I mean, like, I'm not saying this is anything unique about me, but I am porous and I probably am too sympathetic to sometimes the. The male plight. If I'm with the guy. I can kind of be a bit too, Too, too sound. Actually, I think certain. Certain occasions coming to mind there. And I just know myself, I wouldn't.

[Spencer]

I wouldn't walk out.

[Joanne McNally]

And that's all I can say. Unless, like. Unless I was like, at the bar asking for Angela because I was like, this guy's an absolute nut job. But, like, with just a difference of opinion like that. I don't. I wouldn't.

[Joe]

If we could all. And I know not everybody does it, but if we just have a general. Yeah. If we could all just.

[Joanne McNally]

All right, John. Yeah.

[Joe]

Stop fighting.

[Joanne McNally]

Yoko Ono over there.

[Joe]

Do you know what I think? What? I think when I got ghosted that time, like, it really me off so much that I was like, I'll never do that to somebody. Like, because I remember how I felt and for how long I felt. And I was like, for something as simple as to just say, don't abuse you anymore, instead of just disappearing and making someone feel like for that long. I just. I just would never do. I just wouldn't want to be the cause of making someone feel like that.

[Joanne McNally]

I went, yeah, I understand. We are all a product of our own experiences. I where I was in a relationship ages ago and it ended really badly. And he was like, please don't. Just please don't block me. And I would have been well within my rights to block him, but I didn't because I felt. I don't. I felt bad for him, which I'm like, joanne, hop on. But I didn't because I. Because I'd had that happen to me and then I. I knew how. How hard it was to get over it. So I just wouldn't do it. Anyway, look, maybe we're just. Maybe just turned into two male apologists to go to Wimbledon.

[Joe]

I don't know. We certainly don't go to Harry Styles ourselves.

[Joanne McNally]

And I know he was obsessed with you. I would have contacted him directly for tickets.

[Joe]

I have. He's actually doing a matinee just for me. On a Saturday morning? Yes.

[Joanne McNally]

Performing at Gigi's birthday party.

[Joe]

Yeah. How did you know? I guess don't start telling everyone showing up.

[Joanne McNally]

He told me. We're thick as thieves.

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[Joanne McNally]

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