MTGM EXTRA! "We have monthly arguments..."

Summary

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My Therapist Ghosted Me – EXTRA! "We have monthly arguments..."

Hosts: Vogue Williams & Joanne McNally
Date: June 3, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this bonus "EXTRA!" episode, Vogue Williams and Joanne McNally dive into a classic listener dilemma—balancing personal ambitions and romantic relationships when life pulls you in different directions. The conversation flows from sweaty summer support tools and gardening mishaps to a heartfelt discussion about a listener's cross-country relationship conundrum. The trademark blend of wit, honesty, and “unqualified” advice is on full display, as the duo offer both laughs and genuine insight.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Coping with the Heat: Fans, Paddling Pools & More

• [01:37] – [05:55]
  • Joanne regales her new life with a paddling pool and extreme sweating:

    "I sweat profusely. It's the only way to describe how I sweat... I was sweating so much that my phone stopped working because it registered water in the fan." — Joanne ([03:03])

  • Vogue laments the lack of outdoor space at her own place, while both discuss “Shark” fans, pink air-fryers (“reeks of daddy issues” per Joanne), and freezer slippers.
  • The pair riff on accidental product endorsements.

    "Are we QVC now?" — Joanne ([06:18])

2. Newfound Hobbies & Midlife Pottering

• [07:02] – [09:52]
  • Joanne embraces her new garden, inheriting roses, lavender, and herbs but predicts its eventual decline:

    "Give it a week and then I’ll probably just torch the whole thing... like the concrete jungle." — Joanne ([07:45])

  • Debate over real versus artificial grass, with a hint of eco-side eye.

    “I've always been against plastic grass. Why would you take a gorgeous, beautiful, fresh grass... and put in a ton of plastic?” — Joanne ([08:21])

  • Joanne reveals she’s signed up for a ceramics class, living her “full middle-aged, single woman cat life.”
  • Vogue asks Joanne to landscape her place next summer—Joanne accepts enthusiastically.

3. Family Dynamics and Hand-Me-Downs

• [12:10] – [15:58]
  • Vogue sorts baby clothes for friends, while Joanne recounts struggles donating items to charity shops due to strict rules.
  • Both recall the indignity (and humor) of kids' clothing going "missing," with stories of labeling school uniforms and knicker theft in shared households.

    "I nearly started to write my initials on my knickers." — Vogue ([15:06])

  • Joanne teases about raising Vogue’s kids to have a “moral backbone” about clothes waste.

4. Primary Advice Segment: The London/Ireland Relationship Dilemma

• [17:00] – [24:34]
  • Listener context: Irish woman and English partner return to Ireland for her job; now he wants to move back to London. Drama: her career is rooted in Ireland, his job could be more rewarding (personally/professionally) in London. Monthly arguments have ensued about whether to move or not.
  • Joanne and Vogue acknowledge the difficulty and stakes (“monthly arguments?… perfect relationship!” — Joanne, [18:44]).
  • Both stress the importance of considering both partners’ perspectives.
  • Joanne offers:

    "Sometimes love isn't enough. Lifestyle plays a huge part in it. Just because you're in love with someone, it doesn't mean you’re going to necessarily stay there." ([19:50])

  • Discuss the realities and limits of long-distance between Ireland and the UK. Joanne suggests some relationships “break up for this exact reason” ([21:52]), and that friends and a sense of belonging are crucial to fulfillment.
  • Vogue observes:

    “It sounds very centered around you, all of it... If you want to stay with him, he's not going to want to stay here and he's going to grow resentful.” ([20:59])

  • Joanne confesses she’s chosen career over relationships before:

    “In the same breath, I would choose my job over a man every day of the week. So I feel her in that way.” ([22:37])

  • The hosts agree: No one can decide for the letter-writer; only she knows what will make her happy long-term.

    “That’s a decision you have to make with your own head and your own heart. I don’t think anybody can advise you on what to do in a situation like that.” — Vogue ([24:18])

  • Notable candor:

    "You can't have a boyfriend with no mates. Okay?" — Joanne ([24:34])

5. Memorable Quotes & Comic Interludes

• Joanne on antidepressant side effects and sweating:

  “Whatever keeps us off the edge. It doesn't matter.” ([04:36])

• Vogue’s retort to Joanne’s job vs. love stance:

  “Not the job that you're currently doing, the podcast…” ([23:04]) “Me too. I quit.” — Vogue ([23:13])

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Highlighted Moments (with Timestamps)

• [03:03] Joanne’s phone water damage story sets the comedic, candid tone.
• [05:39] The “pink air fryer” and “daddy issues” line (Joanne).
• [09:52] Vogue booking Joanne for a garden makeover.
• [15:06] Vogue’s threats to label knickers.
• [17:00] Start of listener dilemma/contentious advice section.
• [19:50] Joanne’s reflection on love not always being enough for lasting relationships.
• [22:37] Joanne’s admittance: “I would choose my job over a man every day of the week.”
• [24:34] Joanne’s signature: “You can't have a boyfriend with no mates. Okay?”

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Tone & Style

Casual, irreverent, and deeply honest. Joanne’s self-deprecating humor is matched by Vogue’s practical insights. The pair oscillate effortlessly between lighthearted chat—paddling pools, freezer slippers, gardening satire—and earnest, empathetic discussion of real-life romantic dilemmas.

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Summary

This “EXTRA!” episode captures why MTGM is a fan favorite—full of playful banter and off-the-cuff confessions, but always circling back to real issues that hit home. The listener advice segment is treated with depth, humility, and humor, making it relatable for anyone who’s ever had to choose between love and personal fulfillment. Whether you’re sweating the small stuff or pondering life-changing decisions, Joanne and Vogue’s unique brand of “therapy” is equal parts support group and comedy club.

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Transcript

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[Joanne McNally]

It reeks of daddy issues, if I'm being honest. I ventured myself. I'll be there next year. Chelsea. Chelsea Flower Show. Go for girls.

[V. Williams]

I look forward to your stand. So if I move, I may lose everything I worked so hard to get in my career. Yet if I don't move and it ruins us, I'll be resentful of my job. And I'll always wonder why.

[Joanne McNally]

What if sometimes love isn't enough?

[V. Williams]

Hello and welcome to. My therapist ghosted me with me, V. Williams and Joanne McNally sitting here sweating.

[Joanne McNally]

Still no wi fi in the house. Actually, sorry, I shouldn't start off on such a negative note. Hi. Hi. Well, I'm.

[V. Williams]

Can we go negative now? Can we go negative now?

[Joanne McNally]

No, I've gone back to self. Myself is my source. It's negativity is a choice. Obviously. You know, I'm doing the work in the garden. I'm. I've almost found my inner child. She's. She was in the paddling pill the whole time, which arrived today.

[V. Williams]

Ah. Did you get a paddling pill? I might have to join. I don't have the space for one currently.

[Joanne McNally]

Where. What? A paddling pill? My.

[V. Williams]

My garden isn't a garden. It's a. What would you call it? I mean, there is no space for anything. So I was hoping we could buy one of those best ways. You know that brand, I see everyone and they buy these pools and they're like. They actually build and it looks like a pretty decent Pool.

[Joanne McNally]

No, I'm not your house. I'm not familiar. I know I'm going to be running some sort of frat house here soon enough, I think, but it's like a

[Joe]

paddling pool on steroids. They're like really, really big. And. Yes, they're not in the ground, they're above the ground.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, they're on stilts. I've seen them on Tick Tock in America.

[V. Williams]

Yes. Pop me over your postcode. I'm gonna send a few bits for the summer because I need to protection while I'm in London. I think the only protection is going to be going to your garden, whether you're there or not, and living there alone.

[Joanne McNally]

Did I tell you that I was sweating so much the other day? Now we know I'm a profuse sweater. I sweat profusely. It's the only way to describe how I sweat. And I was on the phone to my friend Steve and I was sweating so much that my war. My phone stopped working because it registered water in the. In the fan. True story.

[Joe]

Like me. You're gonna get cross with me now, but I can hear the fact that you've got fans on because it sounds windy where you are. So I need you to.

[V. Williams]

Don't take the fans. How can you take the fans away from her?

[Joanne McNally]

I'm not.

[Joe]

Look, I'm just speaking on the behalf of the person listening to this with the rumbles in their ears going, what is that noise?

[Joanne McNally]

Sorry. Okay, sorry, listeners. Sorry, listeners. I'll. I'll put it over there. But I, I don't know if I can turn it off completely, Joe. Okay, fine. I was online obviously giving out about. Giving out about sweating because of, you know, the way I'm offline at the moment. So I went online to tell them about the sweating because I was offline, so they didn't know I was sweating because I was offline. So I had to go back online to tell them I was sweating. And a woman messaged me and she's like, did you know that Prozac, which, which this might be tmi, but whatever. We're. We're in it now. It's. We're five years in. We tell them everything. That Prozac makes you sweat more. So those. Anything like antidepressant for whatever effect they have on your. Joe, why are you covering your eyes? Is this a terrible thing to say?

[Joe]

Because this is not a medical advice podcast.

[Joanne McNally]

No.

[Joe]

Anybody prescription to stop taking Prozac?

[V. Williams]

No, no, no.

[Joe]

You said it makes you sweat. I hear. Take the medication Listen, tell you to take whatever, girls.

[Joanne McNally]

Whatever keeps us off the edge. It doesn't matter.

[V. Williams]

She's sweaty and happy.

[Joanne McNally]

Exactly. I am sweaty and very content. And I have no plans to stop taking anything just because I'm sweat. I' buy a fan, not have a nervous breakdown. Do you know what I mean? I've got a paddling pill now, Joe. I could up my dose if anything. I could up my dose, yeah, from your doctors. I've got two fans on me. I mean, you know, that's how much pro I. Come on. Okay, have you know.

[V. Williams]

Do you know that fan, there's a shark fan. And I got it, I got it last. I got mine last year. I need to get them out of storage. Like, I feel so bad asking for them to go and find these fans.

[Joanne McNally]

I splashed out on myself and, and I, I purchased one of those fancy shark fans. I said, if it's not now.

[V. Williams]

Yeah, the blow onto your sheets. I didn't even know they did that. So I'm like, I need the fans back. But you know what keeps bloody happening? I've seen now people with pink ones and I've always got. There's such a soft spot in my mind for pink and I'm like, I have to, I have to know. There's a big air fryer. I saw a pink air fryer.

[Joanne McNally]

I'm like, I love a proper color, I love a pop of color. But a pink air fryer, it's too Barbie coated for me in a pink fan. It's, it's, it. It reeks of daddy issues, if I'm being honest. Obviously, shark, if you want to send what it takes.

[V. Williams]

So, yes, major problems there.

[Joanne McNally]

So sorry, Joe, if you don't mind just getting a blast of the. A blast. But now I've made it. Now I've made it a mental health issue. So you can't really stop me.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Joanne McNally]

Or I'll go to the hr.

[V. Williams]

This is what I was trying to say to you earlier. My. My freezer slippers have arrived. I had to order slippers that go in the freezer because my feet are so sore and they are fantastic. 19 quid on Amazon.

[Joanne McNally]

And I was like, are we, are we QVC now?

[Joe]

Are you working for team members, everyone?

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Are we working for Shark and Amazon now? Disgusting.

[V. Williams]

Do you know what? My brand work has actually gone downhill a lot. And it's probably because I'm doing so much free work on. Yeah.

[Joanne McNally]

I'm putting my shark fan in Shaft so that they got FYI paid for this. So I expect, I expect a freebie in exchange or I'll go down a loose. I'm gonna go down and loot the Argos down the road. Park all that. Me and Sandra got a message offer today. Our relationship has begun.

[V. Williams]

Stop. What was Sandra saying to you? What's she looking for?

[Joanne McNally]

Well, now that I have a garden, I was. I was gardening this morning. Like your man, what's his name? Titch.

[V. Williams]

Titchmark.

[Joe]

Alan.

[Joanne McNally]

Alan Titch March. So there I was, Titch marching outside guard. I was. I was watering the flowers because I have inherited a gorgeous garden in this house. Like the previous owner, she obviously did a great job and she's planted roses and she's planted lavender and I've got mint and I've got thyme and other. That I don't really understand. But anyway, whatever. I've got some crispy hydrangeas that have been abandoned.

[V. Williams]

She's going to be telling us, she's going to be telling this story in six months time and be like, I used to have mint and I used to also have roses.

[Joanne McNally]

I'll give it a week and then I'll probably just torch the whole thing, you know, like the, like the concrete jungle. Within three months, I'll be one of those psychopaths who put it. Who puts in plastic grass. Who. How could you. How could you put in. How could he take out real grass and put in plastic grass? It's a disgrace.

[V. Williams]

Okay, I have to put my hands up to something here. I inherited plastic grass in my, in my house. And how. And I love it. I'm sorry, but I think it's absolutely. It's not like a huge patch of land and I, I've kept the plastic grass and it doesn't. You wouldn't know. You wouldn't know.

[Joanne McNally]

Listen, I obviously will. I. It pains me. I. Listen, I won't give you the lecture. I won't give it to you on the, on the podcast. I'm a gardener now. That's right. And I'm very. I've always been against plastic grass. Why would you take a gorgeous, beautiful, fresh grass that gets the bees and the butterflies and put in a ton of plastic and is Bertie gonna. When Birdie pisses on that, you'll know all about it. I can tell you.

[V. Williams]

Bertie doesn't come over to Ireland.

[Joanne McNally]

It's like he just pisses in. It's like, I'll find fun. It's gonna say, it's like pissing in the lunchbox and putting the lid on Mrs. Garden Queen.

[V. Williams]

Do you know, when I went to the. When I went to the flower show with Spencer, we got interviewed by someone.

[Joanne McNally]

I ventured myself. I'll be there next year. Chelsea. Chelsea Flower show. Go for girls.

[V. Williams]

I look forward to your stand. But many was interviewed by this woman and she's like, do you have any tips for like gardeners and, and people looking after their garden? And Spenny straight away was like, yeah, I hire somebody. I was like, no.

[Joanne McNally]

Oh no, please.

[V. Williams]

I was like, can he take that back?

[Joanne McNally]

Put the social muzzle back on. But where? Who took off the social muzzle?

[V. Williams]

Oh, God. Some people are gardeners. Ice. I do see it in my future, I have to say. I think I will be in my future.

[Joanne McNally]

There's no other term for what I was doing this morning other than pottering. I was. I had a full blown potter and it was thoroughly enjoyable. I've also, I've told you, I've signed up for a ceramics class at the end of the road. Like, I'm living my full middle aged, single woman cat life. I'm thrilled with myself. But folk, I'm. I'm also gonna get. I'm gonna start doing some landscaping.

[V. Williams]

Could I actually book you in for next summer? If you wouldn't mind? I'd love you to pop around and see what you could do with the place.

[Joanne McNally]

Oh, you're. Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. Yeah. I'll grab the rake, I'll head up. No problem. No problem at all. Yeah, I've got. I've already done a lawnmower. Like it's. It's go over here. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[V. Williams]

Well, do you know what I was doing?

[Joanne McNally]

Oh, sorry, Sandra. Sorry. The whole point, this was. Sandra messaged me.

[V. Williams]

Oh, yeah.

[Joanne McNally]

Because I made that happen.

[V. Williams]

Sandra. Actually, Sandra doesn't do gardening, I think, does she not?

[Joanne McNally]

Well, that wasn't why she.

[V. Williams]

So I was telling you she does gardening.

[Joanne McNally]

No, no, no.

[Joe]

In case you are a new listener and you don't know, Sandra is Vogue's mom.

[Joanne McNally]

Sorry. Yeah, I mean, who the hell would dip in at this point anyway?

[Joe]

Well, you look, you don't know.

[Joanne McNally]

I was watering my garden this morning and. Sorry, not this morning, this. Yeah, it was this morning, but the sun was up and I thought I was doing a great job of resuscitating all the crispy hydrangeas and I was giving all the mint a blast and I was like waterboarding everyone out there and the guard, the trees and plants. I mean, there was no people there and I got. I was posting it on Instagram, as I do, and the immediate Reaction was dm, dm, dm. You cannot water plants when the sun is. Because you'll burn them. Like, yeah, burn them. It was like, I basically, I just torched the grass and the flowers. Anyway, Sandra then of course was in the DMs and she was just saying, you gotta be careful with the gardeners, don't piss them off. She's obviously had some experience yourselves. She's like, you wouldn't wanna rattle the gardeners, Joanna, by watering her flowers while the sun is up. But anyway, then someone else sent me a D, a, a article from the Guardian that says you can actually wear them during the day. It's just not that advisable because they just. The water evaporates. You're not actually torching your garden. Like the mother of Muriel's wedding, do you remember her?

[V. Williams]

Sandra has never even been outside on her balcony to get plants. Sandra does, Sandra does a lot of Sandra and she doesn't do a lot. She certainly doesn't do any plants. She's not honest with them.

[Joanne McNally]

She's a blocker.

[V. Williams]

She's sitting with Gigi. She, she had dinner last night and she, she's like, are you my mom's mom? They're just so confused by it. They can't understand it. They keep asking you about it because they're, because they're like, they can't believe that I have a mom because I'm there.

[Joanne McNally]

I thought she was asking you and I was like, oh my God, talk about you can't get Botox cuz you're pregnant. Talk about they come back to bite you in the ass. I thought she was asking you. Were you your mom's mom?

[V. Williams]

No. Thank you very bloody much.

[Joanne McNally]

You haven't aged that much.

[V. Williams]

Do you know what I was doing today? I was. I have boxes and boxes and boxes of baby clothes and I have been going through all of them and keeping the ones that I need. And when I say I have been down there for hours, like, and it's just, it's like two of my friends are having the gender that I'm not having and they are going to be very happy customers.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[V. Williams]

My God, the amount of stuff that

[Joanne McNally]

I have saved, it's lovely to recycle. And, and, and when they let you. Of course I was. My local charity shop, trying to dump all sorts of shit and the other day they wouldn't take it.

[V. Williams]

You're not like, give certain things. You're not allowed, even with kids, you're not allowed to give. You're not reuse. Car seats. They don't take electrics. They don't. There's so much stuff that they don't take. They don't take teddy bears. I get it. Like, they just don't want. Like, they don't want shite. You know what I mean?

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah.

[V. Williams]

If you wouldn't keep it yourself. Don't start, like, don't be giving anyone your old togs or like your knickers. No one wants them. Sorry.

[Joanne McNally]

But like, but the truth of the matter is, like, as some as. Look, I've. I'm not Grata Gerberg, but I don't like waste and.

[V. Williams]

And grassha, the other one.

[Joanne McNally]

I'm not. I am not Graza Thunberg.

[V. Williams]

You're certainly not Graza Gerber.

[Joanne McNally]

God rest her.

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[Joanne McNally]

There is a place for re using like old other people's knickers. Like, I wouldn't give. I wouldn't care. For example, I put out a whitewash the other day. What? I wouldn't care if they got a good wash. I really couldn't give a. I used

[V. Williams]

to have a real problem in this house of Amber and Megan stealing my knickers. Like, and I was convinced of it. Like, oh, my good knickers would keep going and I'd be like, this isn't just like the washing machine is not eating all these fucking really great knickers. And I knew it was the girls. And I nearly started to write my initials on my knickers.

[Joanne McNally]

Very Mallory aggressive.

[V. Williams]

Aggressive.

[Joanne McNally]

Remember the book series Mallory Towers? They sent off to boarding school and they had all their names stitched into everything they owned. Very Mallory Terrace. Yeah, no, I would.

[V. Williams]

Well, that's what you have to do. That's what you have to do at every school. Do you know how many times I've gone to the school uniform shop, the second hand shop, to buy back a jumper that used to be mine? Because my kids just every single day I'm like, where's your coat? Where is your coat? And then the other day, Gigi was snagging off tea because I told Gigi that I had bought T's coat of basically one of her old. His old classmates had left class and I bought the coat from the second hand shop. Nothing wrong with it, perfect condition. But they had a real issue with it when they found it.

[Joe]

Really.

[V. Williams]

I didn't, I didn't bother telling Gigi. Where'd you think all your addresses are from, my friend? Oh my God.

[Joanne McNally]

You are raising one bougie bitch. I can tell you worry till she meets Greta Gerberg over here and I'll, I'll educate her on the environment and, and the pile of clothes in Africa and all that jazz. Don't worry, I'm gonna, I'm gonna give her a moral backbone because she's obviously not getting it over in your house.

[V. Williams]

Okay. We're doing emails. Do you want to hear one?

[Joanne McNally]

I'd love to.

[V. Williams]

Why is Joanne such a. Oh, Joe, that's really bad. Joe. Oh my God, Joe.

[Joe]

What? She's making that up. That's not there.

[Joanne McNally]

Oh, sorry. I was like, Jesus. We're really, we're really, we're really not venting emails anymore.

[V. Williams]

I'm trying to figure out this Sandra business. I think she's snaking in for a bag. I think there's a reason. It's like, you know, you know when you follow somebody, well, when you're single and you're like, I'll follow and see if they, if they send. If they don't, you're like, unfollow. Yeah, I think that's what she's doing with you.

[Joanne McNally]

She could have a bag.

[V. Williams]

London, Ireland Dilemma. Hello. Hello, Joe. Vogue and Joanne. I have a dilemma that I would like some advice on and I feel you girls will be best placed to offer some girl to girl guidance. My partner is English. I am Irish. Already a match made in hell. We met, we were set up by two mutual friends when I'd been working for a few years in London. After nearly two years together, I got a very good job opportunity offered to me back home. We decided it would be an exciting thing to do. Move home to Ireland, buy a house, get a dog. Now nearly four years on what I thought of as fully settled, he has decided it no longer serves him or his career and he'd like a change. That's a toughie. Okay. His job is a London based hybrid remote job, which means he flies back to London for a few days every month. My job is not remote and I'm very lucky to do what I do at the age of 30 as it's quite niche. So moving back to London for me would mean leaving my job, giving up what feels like my once in a lifetime role, my salary and the autonomy I've worked so hard for for a job that I could not get in London, for what feels like just so he can be in the office more. Although he words it as much more than this, relating to family, friends and is necessary for his own success. I don't know what to do. He's very social, active and struggling, working from home so much it arises in monthly arguments. So if I move, I may lose everything I worked so hard to get in my career, yet if I don't move and it ruins us, I'll be resentful of my job and I'll always wonder what if. Thanks for the read. Love the pod, love the banter.

[Joanne McNally]

Firstly, monthly arguments. That's not that bad. You know what I mean?

[V. Williams]

Yeah. You've got a perfect relationship. Well done.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, sounds harmonious. Are they married? They are married. They're married.

[V. Williams]

No, they're not married. They've got a dog. They're set up in Ireland.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah. Yeah.

[V. Williams]

I think, I think it's always important to see. See something from somebody else's point of view as well. He's not just moving home for the job. Like, I, I feel like if I was, if I was to ask Benny to move back to Dublin, like he'd struggle because so much of his life is in London and I know that so much of my life is in Dublin, but I also. Life in London, it's not like I'm. I feel like I'm, I'm. I'm missing out by not being at home. Although sometimes I do wish I could live at home. But I think, I just think that sounds like a difficult one for him to, to stay here when he's not really that happy and he's working from home and if he's like a person that likes to be in the office, then he wants to be around people and obviously he's not being fulfilled for what he's doing over here.

[Joanne McNally]

Sometimes love isn't enough. Lifestyle plays a huge part in it. It really does. Like, if I met a guy tomorrow who said, and we fell madly in love and he's like, I have to live in Lisbon. I'd be like, I'll go to Lisbon. But three years in, when you're kind of. You've gotten used to living together and you're kind of in a system and you're in a flow and Maybe the honeymoon period has kind of worn off and then you are just in this other culture, in this other country and you're like, actually I'm not, I'm not vibing off this at all. It. Just because you're, just because you're in love with someone, it doesn't mean you're going to necessarily stay there, you know? Yeah, that's what. But like I, if I was here, I, I would jump straight to the long distance situation because between Ireland and the UK it's only half skipping a jump. Now again, I do go out with the guy. When I said I was moving to London, he was like, I'm not doing long distance. But I think he just wanted to get out of the relationship anyway. But some people, they're like, I'm not doing it, but I feel like, could we not give long distance ago or put a timeline on it? Get a three year plan in place. If you're, if you're really in love with each other, be like, okay, let's, let's do long distance for a year. See if we get on now. I do think you disconnect eventually over time. There's a, there's a certain shelf life on it.

[V. Williams]

I don't think I'd be up for long distance having like, I travel a lot between Ireland and England, like all the time, like a subs. Enough that like you could have a long distance relationship and I just don't think it would be enough. I just think that you end up getting used to your own company. I do understand what you're saying about your job, but like it, it sounds very centered around you, all of it. And you have to consider how he feels and if you, if you, if you want to stay with him, he's not, he's not going to want to stay here and he's going to grow resentful and he will eventually probably leave and go home because he's obviously not very happy here. And I think that I got, I don't know. That's, it's.

[Joe]

And if you feel the same, if you go to London.

[V. Williams]

Yeah.

[Joanne McNally]

Then it, then it, it's over.

[V. Williams]

Like, is there any way you can talk to your work and see if you can make it? Like, obviously not.

[Joanne McNally]

She's an office, she's an office woman. He's a remote man, but he wants to be based in London. I mean, I can imagine there's a significant amount of relationships that break up for this exact reason. You weigh up relationship being in love, but being in a country. I don't particularly vibe off. I have no friends and family here, but I'm in love with this person. But can you get your whole social scene and all your needs met by one person? No. That leads to problems. Then you could become codependent. It becomes toxic if you come resentful. You need to have your own life. He needs his own life and space and friends and stuff. And it sounds like she's just very, very hooked to the job as it stands. And obviously she's from Dublin or from Argentina, but amazing to find a job

[V. Williams]

that you love so much. Yeah, that's a bit of a problem for you to try and leave that,

[Joanne McNally]

But I will say as well, Well, I know this is a very depressing thing to say, but it's. As a single person, you know, it's. It's not. It's not great at her. If you have something worth moving around for. I'd. I'd have a. I'd have a go. I don't know what her job is. I don't know because, I mean, but in. In the same breath, I would choose my job over a man every day of the week. So I. I feel her in that way.

[V. Williams]

John. Not, Not. You're not. The job that you're currently doing, the podcast.

[Joanne McNally]

No, I'd give that up tomorrow. Is that what you mean?

[V. Williams]

Me too. I quit.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah. I mean, if there was a lot. If there was a lot at the door, I'd be gone. No, but I'm genuine. I'm serious. Like, I've been in relationships before where they're like, the traveling and the touring and all that. Like, it doesn't. It's not going to work for us if we want to have a family and all that stuff. And I'm like, well, I'm not. I'm not stopping this. I love this. So. So I, I've, you know, I've made personal sacrifices for my job and I would choose my job over a relationship. Now, whether that's the right decision or not, who knows? Speak to me in 10 years time, I am in the garden, doing work, trying to find my inner child. I mean, it doesn't sound great at the moment, but I have chosen my job over a relationship before. And it sounds like she might do that.

[V. Williams]

Yeah, it does sound like you might do that.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah.

[V. Williams]

I don't know. You could. I suppose you could see how you get on with that.

[Joanne McNally]

Also, I. I'm doing a full 180 here, but, you know, there's other fish in the sea. Even though I've just told her to stay in the relationship, whatever happens. There's other fish in the sea. The fish are in bits, but they're there. It's me done.

[V. Williams]

I mean, we've. We've given shocking advice, but it's a really. It's like that is. That's a decision you have to make with your own head and your own heart. And I. I don't think anybody can advise you on what to do in a situation like that. No matter how many people you ask, you have to decide yourself.

[Joanne McNally]

And I don't. What. I. I don't think he's a massive bastard for wanting to go home, if you know what I mean. Like, I don't. I think that's really normal. I think I'd be the same. You've given it. You've given it a bit of time, you've given it a go and you're like, no, this isn't for me. I'm lonely, I'm struggling and I can't get all my needs met by one person. Nor should. Nor should we. It's too much pressure on a relationship. You can't have a boyfriend with no mates. Okay?

[V. Williams]

We stuck with him.

[Joanne McNally]

We stuck with them all the time. Not this.

[V. Williams]

No, no, no, no.

[Joanne McNally]

By the way, I'm in Leeds on June 3 and there are still tickets available if anyone fancies joining me.

[Joe]

On your website it says Leeds is sold out.

[V. Williams]

Well, that's good news, isn't it?

[Joanne McNally]

Well, again, we've covered all bases there.

[V. Williams]

Yeah. So you'll. You'll see everyone in Leeds. Thank you.

[Joe]

Brighton on the 18th, though.

[Joanne McNally]

I've. Is there probably Brighton on the 18th? Perfect. I'll see you there. My stats needs at 86. I mean, who do you have to blow to get real sales reports around here? Brighton. That's a good one, Joe. Push that there, William. Good man.

[Joe]

Yeah, there's. There's a couple. There's a couple in Leeds. Yeah, there's a couple.

[Joanne McNally]

There's a couple of leads. Yeah.

[Joe]

Couple in Brighton on the 18th and Liverpool on the 27th.

[V. Williams]

Yeah.

[Joanne McNally]

Stunning. Stunning work.

[Joe]

Bye think.

[Joanne McNally]

Thank you so much.

[V. Williams]

Bye, everybody.

[Joanne McNally]

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[V. Williams]

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