MTGM EXTRA! "We've been sleeping together for years, but he's NEVER committed."

Summary

Podcast Summary

Podcast: My Therapist Ghosted Me
Hosts: Vogue Williams & Joanne McNally
Episode: MTGM EXTRA! "We've been sleeping together for years, but he's NEVER committed."
Date: June 24, 2026

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Overview

This episode is a lively, candid bonus installment of "My Therapist Ghosted Me," with Vogue and Joanne giving their signature honest, irreverent takes on everything from household hacks to celebrity scandals, relationship drama, and sports pub culture. The centerpiece is a thoughtful listener dilemma about a long-term, non-committal situationship, which the hosts dissect with characteristic warmth and wit.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Banter, Household Hacks & Culinary Chat (00:15–05:30)

• Household Tips: Joanne talks about romanticizing everyday life by drinking Baraka (a supplement) from a wine glass with a glass straw (02:00), and shares her method for making cylinder-shaped ice cubes to fit water bottles (02:20). Vogue recounts TikTok ice hacks and accidentally freezing a grape (03:08).
• Frozen Treats: Joanne recommends frozen Haribo as a summer treat:

  "Frozen Haribo. You’re welcome." – Joanne (04:21)

Pop Culture Catch-Up: Chefs, Interviews, and Air Fryers (05:30–11:10)

• Marco Pierre White vs Gordon Ramsay:
  • Joanne shares entertaining highlights from a Louis Theroux interview with chef Marco Pierre White, focusing on his no-nonsense denial of certain dramatic stories ("Gordon made himself cry. Now, that's the line I will take." – Joanne, quoting Marco, 07:39).
  • They discuss Marco’s tough life, his son’s struggles, and a famous “beef” with Ramsay.
  • Comments on Michelin stars losing value:

    "He also said Michelin stars these days are Handella confetti… he just shat on everyone who was Michelin star since he stopped cooking." (09:55)

• Air Fryer Chat:
  • Marco Pierre White allegedly calls the air fryer "the Ferrari of the kitchen" (10:16).
  • The hosts compare notes about their air fryers and kitchen habits, with jokes about not being able to cook eggs in them.

Celebrity Relationship News: Ariana Grande & Ethan Slater (11:10–16:18)

• Ariana Grande’s Love Life:
  • Vogue shares gossip about Ariana breaking up with Ethan Slater and rumors of him returning to his ex-wife. Joanne is skeptical:

    "If Ethan gets back with his ex, I will swallow my own hat." – Joanne (15:07)

  • The group discusses the emotional fallout for Ethan’s ex-wife, a psychologist, and empathize with her experience of public humiliation.

    "The fact that he's still indulging other women... he's blocking your door." – Joanne (23:37)

• Body Image Commentary:
  • Joanne notes public discussions about Ariana’s appearance, reflecting on the complexity of commenting on celebrities’ health and bodies.

Listener’s Dilemma: The Non-Committal Long-Term Lover (19:42–24:11)

• Listener Email: An independent Irish woman describes a 10-year on-and-off affair with a man who has never fully committed, seeking advice on whether to move on or hold out hope for change.
• Hosts’ Advice:
  • Joanne relates deeply, giving direct yet empathetic advice:

    "He’s not doing the choosing… Is he running towards you saying let's make a go of it now? No, he's not." – Joanne (22:17) "He's blocking your door. Come in or come out – don't block the door." – Joanne (23:37)

  • Vogue reinforces that the listener deserves to be chosen and prioritized.
  • Both agree that though the connection exists, the man's inability to commit has effectively blocked the listener from moving forward.

Sports & Pub Culture Chat (17:32–19:31)

• World Cup:
  • The women joke about not being sporty but discuss how the World Cup affects pub life, suggesting single people can use it as an opportunity to meet others (18:00).
  • Joanne quips about going to the pub in a boob tube for a bit of flirting:

    "I might put on a boob tube and sit at the bar on my own like a desperate slag." – Joanne (18:27)

• Cultural Jokes:
  • Vogue jokes about late-night Spanish eating routines, which Joanne teases could make tabloid headlines ("Vogue Williams called Spanish people strange and unhealthy." – Joanne referencing potential press, 19:31).

Closing Laughs: Condoms & Surreal Adulting (24:19–24:58)

• Light ribbing on sex lives: They admit they haven't seen a condom in ages:

  "I wouldn't recognize if it came up and slapped me in the face." – Joanne (24:36)

• Promise to bring condoms next time as a joke.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On moving on:

  "The best revenge is moving on with your life." – Vogue & Joanne (00:19 & 13:12)

• On complicated relationships:

  "He’s blocking your door. Come in or come out – don’t block the door." – Joanne (23:37)

• On public breakups:

  "He left me while I have a newborn baby and then went on the biggest press tour that the world has ever seen... It was hell on earth while she’s there breastfeeding the newborn." – Vogue summarizing (15:34)

• On friendship:

  "I’m romanticizing my life ‘cause no one else is going to do it." – Joanne (01:57)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Culinary hacks and frozen treats: 00:15–05:30
• Marco Pierre White, Gordon Ramsay, and chef wars: 05:30–10:16
• Air fryer banter: 10:16–11:10
• Ariana Grande, Ethan Slater drama: 11:10–16:18
• Sports/pub life chat: 17:32–19:31
• Listener’s relationship dilemma and advice: 19:42–24:11
• Condoms & closing laughs: 24:19–24:58

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Tone & Style

• Language: Conversational, candid, irreverent, affectionate teasing
• Dynamic: The hosts talk over, challenge, and banter with each other, infusing advice with humor and empathy.
• Overall Vibe: Friendly, supportive, openly honest with room for moments of self-mockery and mutual encouragement.

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For New Listeners

This episode captures the essence of "My Therapist Ghosted Me": a blend of hilarious, rapid-fire friendship chat and heartfelt, no-BS advice. Listen for both the laughs and the refreshingly real take on love, loss, and living on your own terms.

Transcript

[A]

This is a global production. Louis said, is it true? He says, Gordon says, you made him cry. And Mark went. Gordon made himself cry. Now that's the line I will take.

[B]

I am a strong, confident woman.

[A]

The best revenge is moving on with your life.

[B]

Are you going to the pub tonight?

[A]

I'm not going tonight, but I should be. I know I should be. I will.

[B]

I think it's important that you do. Hello and welcome.

[A]

Hello.

[B]

Hello, Guy. Hello again.

[A]

Hello. Enough of that. Enough of that.

[B]

A double whammy today, huh?

[C]

For them, it's several days later.

[A]

They don't know that.

[B]

Okay, several days later. But little do you know, I'm stuck with these two again today. See them more than my own family.

[A]

We're on a jolly.

[B]

Yeah, it is. It is actually the best job. It really is. When people ask me about it, I'm like, it's a bloody. It's a good job. Who was asking me? I was with. I was chatting to Miriam o' Callaghan yesterday.

[A]

Oh yeah, I think my, my Miriam.

[B]

Oh, no, no, it was definitely my Miriam. I'm sure of it.

[A]

Hold on, I'll ring her name. I'm pretty sure she's my mirror.

[B]

How dare you. I dare you to bring her.

[A]

She just texted me going, go on. She just texted me going, don't ring me in front of Bow because it'll be embarrassing because I don't want to see how close you are. Oh, yeah.

[B]

Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. She did ask me not to tell you about speaking to her yesterday. She was like, Joanne just gets weird. She's really.

[A]

I'm very territorial about Miriam.

[B]

Yeah. I said, yeah. Joanne's a bit odd like that with friends. I'm not allowed to have any other friends. What are you drinking? A Baraka Through a friend family.

[A]

It is actually a Baraka. Yes.

[B]

Through a wine glass with a, with a glass drawer. How do you think you are?

[A]

I'm romanticizing my life cuz no one else is going to do it.

[B]

It's like Claridge is over in.

[A]

I'm doing it for myself. Yeah, I'm romanticizing my life. I have an electrolyte. An electrolyte, some Robinsons and an ice cube. Would you believe?

[B]

Well, I drink some Robinsons from the bottle because you know when there's a little bit left and you're like, oh, that will make a perfect serve. If I fill the whole bottle up.

[A]

I. I actually froze ice cubes in like the kind of shaft, like not shaft. What do we call them? Cylinder shaped ice. Ice cubes. So you can throw them into the end of the like water bottles. I'm listening.

[B]

What?

[A]

I know.

[C]

First ever household hack.

[A]

Talk to me, talk to me.

[B]

Talk about. Are you one of those people who makes. Have you seen when people fill up a balloon and they fill it up with water and then they put like petals and stuff in it and then they put tie it and they put the ball balloon in the freezer and then it's when they're having special dinner parties. I was watching. And then they take the balloon out of the freezer, they open it, and then you've got this big huge lump of ice with loads of like nice flowers and stuff in it. Yeah, it looks amazing.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Or you can put fruit in. Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna do it when you come over to my house.

[A]

I, I did have. I did have a grape in an ice cube the other day, but it was an accident. I was in the freeze. I was rummaging around the freezer and I was like, who put that grape there frozen in per time? Like a dinosaur and like a fossil. But it was obviously. I was obviously like pissed. Rummaging through the freezer with a grape in my mouth and it fell in. Lifestyle choice. I thought it was. I was like the back in there. I was like, oh, yeah.

[C]

No.

[B]

Do you not remember people were putting on tik tok, being like, oh my God, frozen grapes taste like, like ice cream. I'm like, no, no, they don't like, they don't. They taste like a piece of fruit that's frozen and it's not as nice as a clip out.

[A]

I'll tell you this. And, and then we will move on. Because I like, we're not here for our culinary recommendations.

[B]

Speak for yourself, John. I am.

[A]

Well, okay, I will. I'm not here for my culinary recommendations. One more thing. I'll tell you to freeze. Cuz it's summer. Well, in our, in our territory, obviously in other countries, our heads in other places, it's winter. That's how educated I am. I'm aware of that.

[C]

Where is it winter? Joanne.

[A]

Hey, diary. Joe. Australia.

[C]

Nice.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

I mean, she's practically lives there because

[A]

I know that it's the opposite of ours. Hello, Rain Man.

[B]

They have a lovely.

[A]

Pretty sure. She says through her binoculars and her Bunsen burner, that is winter in Australia. I'm a meteoric savant. Anyway, last thing I'll say about it. Frozen Haribo. You're welcome. Yeah, freeze.

[B]

I don't. Oh, he's got some Haribo.

[A]

You'll be chewing for. Not that. Not. That's the baby one. No, the adult Haribo.

[B]

You can't have a small package.

[A]

No, they're, like, for kids. Joe.

[B]

I like chocolate from the fridge.

[A]

I only eat chocolate all in one go, I would say.

[B]

Anyway, on to much more important topics, I mark up here. Oh, that's an interesting one as well. I did. I did watch that, but there's so much to talk about.

[A]

It is so funny. It is. It just made me laugh so much. I'm a big Louis the Rue fan, like, but obviously it's all guest dependent. I kind of just listen to most of them. And I was like, I don't know. I'm gonna. Will I enjoy this? I don't know. I started. It is so funny, but I don't think it's supposed to be.

[B]

Oh, I haven't listened to. No, I haven't listened to the whole thing. I thought it was pretty dark. No, when he just. When he's, like, talking about his dependencies and stuff.

[A]

Well, yeah, I mean, I've only listened

[B]

to a couple of clips, so I haven't seen the funny side, obviously.

[A]

Well, like, it's not intentionally funny. Okay. It's. It's so the main. Firstly, he delivers every line. Like he's invented. Like, every line is delivered with this absolute earnestness of, like, this. It's so. He's like. It could be something really simple. He's like, I baked a potato and everyone's waiting for this massive moment. And then several times in the interview, Lou, he's like, oh, and then he did this. He's like, I never did that. He's like, he's in your book. He's like, I didn't write my book.

[B]

Stop over.

[A]

And I think three times goes, that never happened, Louis. Like, it's in your book. I didn't write that.

[B]

Did he say that he gave back his mission stars?

[A]

He said, you. You. He said, there's no choice. When you're out of the kitchen, they just take them. He said, you don't give them back, but when they're out of the. When. When you're no longer in the kitchen, they just. They just take them back.

[B]

I'd say he's had a tough life. His son. His son is. Doesn't go through a great time.

[A]

Yeah, he did reference that. Now, I wasn't aware of that, but he did talk about that because he was talking about his beef with Gordon Ramsay.

[B]

Yeah. And what's the beef of Gordon Ramsay?

[A]

Well, Marco trained Gordon.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

She says Like. Like she has any. Any knowledge in the culinary industry. Well, obviously, as we know, Marco trained Gordon.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And, I mean, Marco was very clear. He says, because they're all calling each other, like, screaming at each other the

[B]

whole time and stuff.

[A]

He's like, you don't understand our world. Like, that's just. That's just our world. And Louis said, is it true? He says, Gordon says, you made him cry. And Marco went. Gordon made himself cry. Now, that's the line I will take.

[B]

I will take. I kind of a. Oh, Gigi.

[A]

Oh, Gigi. Oh, she's on the move.

[B]

What's broken already?

[A]

But there's zealoty fall over it.

[B]

Oh, he broke his dumpling. Okay, well, he's not getting another one. Don't let him near yours. Okay, you pop downstairs now for me and close my door. Thanks a million. I'll see in a minute.

[A]

Who broke a good girl. Who broke his dumpling?

[B]

Who do you think broke his dumpling? Who do you think broke the dumpling that I. That he's been waiting for for two weeks? Who broke it?

[A]

Otto? Is she still there? Is on a crying auto. Made himself cry. Gigi. Auto made himself cry as she's holding his hand.

[B]

He broke it. Okay.

[A]

Over the banisters.

[B]

I love you. Yeah. So they've been waiting for these gold dumplings. It's one of those things. Joe, your kids are probably too young. Yes.

[C]

Like, I'm googling it.

[A]

What's it.

[B]

They're just these squidgies. It's like a squidgy thing. But they wanted these special gold ones that you can get. And I held out for two. Yeah, I held out two weeks. I gave it to Otto 13 minutes ago. And his is broken.

[A]

He's such a little hurricane. I love us.

[B]

He doesn't. He. He really. Honestly, he is. I tried to make a deal with him before, like, because I was like, you can have eight minutes of TV if you're a good boy. Because he was throwing a wobbler, and I was trying to come up here to fip.

[A]

Sorry. I mean, I think I saw some food there pass.

[B]

Oh, I just said to them before you came on, I was like, I'm holding. I'm holding it. I'm gonna bomb when I get off this call.

[A]

We're not selling pregnancy to me. I'll be honest.

[B]

I. There's nothing to sell.

[A]

There's.

[B]

Although I met a girl today who says she feels great, and I thought, what a. I will not be talking to you again, my friend. Right. And she's seven Weeks ahead of me. Whatever.

[A]

You've made me, you've made me. I'm determined to get a surrogate after watching you nearly vomit on the podcast twice a week.

[B]

I wouldn't be a surrogate for anybody. I could now.

[A]

Once you're done with my update, you're out. Business. Business done. Shut up. Shop.

[B]

We were talking about Mark up here, White. How did we finish that Now? Gigi interrupted us. You were telling us about. He made Gordon. He made you.

[A]

Gordon made himself cry. Oh, and he also said. He also said Mitchin stars these days are Handella Confetti. Yeah, he just shout on everyone who was a Mitchell star since he stopped cooking. Yeah.

[B]

Oh, my. Now, I never died over his restaurants, I will say, whereas Gordon Ramsay's restaurants. I. I like. I like a bit of Lucky Cat. I do.

[A]

He also called the air fryer the Ferrari of the kitchen. Yeah, interesting, because Lou was like, oh, gee, is an air fryer? Because I don't, I don't. But I've heard about them. I believe they are the Ferrari of the kitchen.

[B]

I can't. Like, come on. How can you be living your life without an air fryer? Come on.

[C]

I'm stood next to my Ferrari now.

[A]

Are you. Are you recording this kitchen?

[B]

How big is your Ferrari?

[C]

It's a double double basket.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Half for chips, half for the chicken dippers.

[A]

My top one. Top one drawer is an ashtray, the other hell's my keys. I have the same two drawers.

[B]

Wait, where do the eggs go? Joanne, where's the eggs go?

[A]

Well, ever since I realized you can't cook an egg in an air fryer, I've given up on the thing completely. But I love it. I love the look of it. I. I love to. I. I just. I like knowing it's there.

[B]

I was going to tell you about Ariana Grande's after breaking up with your man Ethan Slater. And you know what? And supposedly, allegedly, supposedly, he's getting back with.

[C]

No.

[B]

Well, I read that he was getting dirty again with the ex wife. That's what I heard.

[A]

No as no.

[B]

Why are you so quick to dismiss why?

[A]

There's just no way in hell.

[B]

Okay, so Ariana Grande started doing Wicked, the movie with this fella Ethan. I don't remember later. And Slater and he had just had a baby with someone like 10 minutes. 10. 10 minutes, like 10 months previous.

[A]

Umbilical cord still att the kids.

[B]

Yeah. So broke up with her and then got with Ariana, and now Ariana has moved on and she's not with them. Anymore. But have you noticed, like, she kind of. Once she gets a new. She moves on to something new. She moves everything on. So when she, like, Wicked's over, he's over. Now she's on tour. It's the new Ariana. I actually really like her. I'm not throwing shade. Like, it does happen.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. I like her a lot, I have to say.

[A]

She has a song out now where she. Yeah. Like. And. And the. And his. His wife is a psychiatrist. Psychologist.

[B]

Jesus. I wonder, would you be able to talk to yourself if. If you're going through, like, traumatic things, like, sit in front of the mirror and be like, right, like, work on your. Like you're your own project.

[A]

Well, she. She wrote a really good article about the fact that. How it feels when all your patients know that your husband left you for Ayana Grande.

[B]

I feel like there's certain people, like, if Spenny dumped me and got with Margot Robbie, I'd be like, obviously, it'd be horrendous. I'd end up. I'd end up in an institution. But then I'd be like, you know what? Fair play. I would also. Dump me.

[D]

You would.

[A]

In your arse. You.

[B]

I would.

[A]

I d. Robbie's House Folk. I know you.

[B]

I would be actually impressed.

[A]

You wouldn't. Your ho. You'd be absolutely fuming. There's not an inch of you mature.

[B]

I don't hold jealousy. And I would wish them both well, is what I would do.

[A]

The best revenge is moving on with your life. Drives over with a hand grenade.

[B]

Yeah. Woman.

[A]

But I. I like, there. There is. There is a bit of that, I think, with like. But his wife. His wife. Or they marry. But she's a really impressive and a very beautiful woman. Like. And she's highly qualified, highly intelligent, very attractive. Like, she's, you know, I mean, these things. Do you know, she's not like.

[B]

I mean, he's been punching his way through. He has been punching his way through life. I'm not being mean, but he is.

[A]

Well, yeah, I mean, he's. Yeah, he. His. His part.

[B]

Thing is, it's not unattractive. It's just unusual.

[A]

Yes, yes, yes. But she. Ariana now has released a new song where she's basically saying, I hate. Sorry, I hate that I made you fall in love with me, but it was just so easy. They're the. I know. And also there's a lot of talk about her body at the moment until she looks very unwell. And they're comparing her to Ariana. Yeah, she's very. She's very underwater. And like, as someone who's obviously been down that road myself, it's always that thing do. Everyone's like, you shouldn't comment on a woman's body. But also on the other side of the argument, you're like, she's clearly unwell. Like, should know. Like, sizzling. But then surely her. Her family, I'm sure, are involved and, like, she should still be able to work. But any. Anyway, yeah, it's. It's all. It's very. It's very confronting when someone is like that. You're like, I don't really know. I mean, obviously it's none of our business, but in the same breath, she's a public figure on stage and she is.

[B]

I mean, nothing's our business really, but we always stop us getting involved.

[A]

I know, but the body conversation is always really tricky because people are like, it's not your right to comment bodies. But in the same breath, if someone's visibly unwell, are we just going to, like, ignore it? Not say anything about it? I don't know. Anyway. I don't know. I know, but I will say, huge fan of Ariana. And if. If Ethan gets back with his ex, I will swallow my own hat.

[B]

Okay, I'll buy a hat. Get ready.

[A]

I'll buy.

[B]

Now. You can swallow. You can swallow. No, you can swallow a hat. You said you'd swallow a house.

[A]

I just don't think if you humiliate a woman like that, I. And. And I don't know in what world she would be able to go back there. I just don't see it happening. I just don't. Nah.

[B]

I mean, when I was cheated on, I. I just. No, I. I, like, I just couldn't.

[A]

I'd be like, no, you can privately maybe forgive something. If it's, like, between the two, you can maybe private. But to be publicly humiliated like that and very visibly horrible and like his wife. The essay is really, really good. I might. I might reshare it with you guys. She's, like, talking about. It was so clear what was happening, and he was obviously denying it. And then she said, and then not only he left me while I have a newborn baby and then went on the biggest press tour that the world has ever seen. And they were just together all the time talking about each other and how talented the other one is and everything. She was like, it was. It was hell on earth while she's there breastfeeding the newborn.

[B]

Stop it. It's actually so bad. Like, there's, like, I just think it's so bad actually.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Shame on both them. There is. There is that. That's really bad actually. I want you to do a bit of deep diving for us, by the way. You know the thing on the crash, the thing that you told us all to watch. There's some mad conspiracy stuff going on in. In the tick tock world.

[A]

Really?

[B]

You need to deep dive that and find out stuff about it.

[A]

Say no more.

[B]

Yeah, incestuous and all kinds of things like that. I was saying. So I'm not gonna. Yeah, I'm not gonna deep dive it because it feels like you will do a better detective work.

[A]

Well, I guess if. Yeah, I know what you're saying. If incest involved. You're a pregnant woman. You're like, it's not. It's too dark for me and my unborn child,

[B]

by the way. Maternal instinct. What the.

[A]

Did you watch it?

[B]

I'm. I'm halfway through it. Like, what?

[A]

It's. It's banana time.

[B]

I'm scared to leave my house.

[A]

Banana time.

[C]

Old not to watch it.

[B]

That's brilliant. Oh my.

[A]

Well, you know. You know I'm keen to have a charger looking. I'm not down to you with an Allen key. Crack you open.

[B]

I'm not going to her house alone anymore.

[A]

Steal the new baby with the name. With the name that you've already given up. Bimbopaloo by Bebop Boo Vogue. I think it's fair to say we're not. We're not sporting women.

[B]

Okay. Yeah.

[A]

Obviously the World cup is happening.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

If that is. That is a sport. We're not, I believe self it identifies as such. Okay. I mean the main kind of message I guess of. Of the World cup is that it's a theft in the pubs, which is good news for the single girls and the single guys.

[B]

Oh, come here to me. It's on tonight. The World Cup.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Playing Croatia at the time of recording.

[C]

By the time you hear this, that was a week ago, so we know.

[B]

Oh, that was a week ago, so you've missed it.

[A]

The part that I will get involved in is there's. There's an intense pub culture around the time of the World cup and it does mean there are a lot of vulnerable men around town, which I think is a healthy message to spread.

[B]

Are you going to the pub tonight?

[A]

I'm not going tonight, but I should be. I know I should be. You know what? I will.

[B]

I think it's important that you do.

[A]

You're right. I'm torn between it I think it might be a bit hectic, but you're right. I might put on a boob tube and sit at the bar on my own like a desperate slag.

[B]

You're not desperate. You're just. You're simply. You're simply a football fan.

[C]

On other people that might be going to the pub in a boob tube this evening that is around talking about herself.

[A]

Joe, I do that all the time. You have no idea how often I'll be slogging around up there now with that. With very little follow through, obviously, but I'm trying.

[C]

Well, for anyone who plans to do that, there is one more England game at least on Saturday at 10 o' clock against Panama.

[B]

10 o' clock? At the night? No, at the night.

[C]

10 o'?

[A]

Clock.

[C]

Night, yes.

[B]

I'm asleep at the night.

[A]

At the night. She's like, what? I don't understand. That's barbaric.

[B]

It's just like some. Like that's. I honestly, sometimes I wonder about the Spanish people because you go to Spain and they're going out for dinner at 11 o' clock at night. Like, that's. It's not healthy.

[A]

It's.

[B]

It's. It's a bit strange. It is strange.

[A]

There's a headline. I can see that in the Daily Mail. Vogue Williams called Spanish people strange and unhealthy. I look forward to liking my clicking on it myself.

[C]

Print.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay. In the Jest of Spain. Hello, sexy senoritas. I didn't make that up. That's actually the email.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

I'm writing anonymously and would love your thoughts on something that deep down, I suspect I already know the answer to. Okay. I'm an Irish woman In my late 40s, single, no children and never married. Entirely by choice.

[A]

Stunning.

[B]

I've always been fiercely independent, partly through stubbornness and partly as a way of protecting myself from an early life of trauma and disappointment.

[A]

Sorry. She sounds about as positive as I feel. Go on.

[B]

Despite that, I've got great friends, great siblings, and I'm a lover of life. I enjoy my own company and I still believe in love. Juwan, I feel like we might be kindred spirits in the most positive sense of the phrase, which is why I'd especially love to hear your take on this. About 10 years ago, I met a man through work. At the time, he was in a relationship. As cliche as it sounds. We ended up having an on and off affair. The chemistry was undeniable and the sex was honestly mind blowing. Even now, all these years later, he remains in my Life in one form

[A]

or another, as in physically or mentally. Is she talking memory or she's saying like in her life?

[B]

Okay, here you go. He has since broken up with his long term partner and still pursues me. The thing is, while I genuinely care about him, I've never really felt chosen by him. Yeah, he often comes to me looking for friendship, guidance, emotional support and intimacy. Yet at the same time he's constantly seeking attention from other women and pursuing new relationships. It's left me feeling like I'm good enough to lean on, good enough to sleep with, good enough to confide in, but not quite good enough to fully commit to.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

The logical part of me knows that if a man truly wants to be with somebody, he usually makes that very clear. Yes. There's another part of me that wonders whether the history, connection and genuine affection between us means something more. So my question is this. Am I holding on to a fantasy because of our chemistry and history or. Or is there a possibility that some people genuinely take years to realize what they want? I'd love your honest thoughts, even if they're not what I want to hear. Lots of love. An Irish independent woman.

[A]

Well, it's not, it's not a fantasy because he is, he is there. Like what's happened is real. So it's not a fantasy. But I would. And listen, I could have written this email myself. Like, to say I've been there is an understatement. Well, I guess it's not an understatement, it's a statement of fact. He is, he, he isn't. He isn't going the extra mile. He isn't doing the choosing. He, it's.

[B]

This isn't he.

[A]

It's comfortable, I would say. Yeah, he's not like, he's, he's. You're one of. You know, there's obviously a connection there. There's history there, there's good sex there, there's desire and loss there and there's a friendship there. But is he running towards you saying let's make a go of it now. So, like that, you know, that's.

[B]

And you deserve to. Yeah, you deserve to be number one. Like you're, you're important and you are more deserving than him coming back and forth and not like I'm just kind of taking what he wants when he wants it. And don't feel bad because literally all of us have been there

[A]

into thinking it means more than it. Like as in it's really easy to twist stuff into thinking it means more than it does. But when you put the facts on the table, like, when you lay it out and you're really honest with yourself, you're like, yeah, he obviously values her, and he obviously really cares about her and all that jazz, but is he saying, it's you and me, let's drive off the edge of a cliff together like Tom and Louise. No, he's not. So, like, that's what it is. And the fact that he's still, like, indulging other women and looking for attention elsewhere, like, she knows herself, you know. Yourself. You're. You're. You're. He's blocking your door. I remember hear someone telling me years ago, they were like, come in. When it comes to relationships, come in or come out. But you're. Don't block the door.

[B]

That's a very good. Joanne. Best advice you've ever given.

[A]

Thank you. He's blocking your door. Locking your door. And you know what? Maybe you're. When you talk about your independence and all that jazz, and maybe it is a, like a kind of conscious choice, but also when you have someone like that who gives you enough rope to hang yourself, as in, like, emotionally, you have someone to kind of where it's. It's enough to keep you going, but it's not a whole thing. He's blocking your door. You don't know what would happen if he got out of your door. Get him out. Get him out of the door. Close the door on him. He's done. He's toast.

[B]

Now I'm gonna go and get sick. So thank you all for listening.

[A]

I appreciate the pub in a boob tube.

[B]

Slack.

[A]

Yeah. With the vape. And seven condoms. Good luck to us. All right.

[B]

I have not seen a condom. And Jesus, I cannot.

[A]

Neither have. I'll tell you a lot about my sexual. And neither have I. I wouldn't recognize if it came up and slapped me in the face.

[B]

Next time I come to your house, I'm gonna bring some content. You should. I will, I will.

[A]

I'd love to see one. Like, it's so long.

[B]

So long.

[A]

Yeah. The idea of putting one on and all, it's. Do I wear it?

[B]

Does he.

[A]

I can't even remember what happens.

[D]

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[A]

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