MTGM EXTRA! "WTF happened to Culture Corner?!"

Summary

My Therapist Ghosted Me - MTGM EXTRA! "WTF happened to Culture Corner?!"

Release Date: June 25, 2025
Hosts: Vogue Williams & Joanne McNally
Description: Join Vogue Williams & Joanne McNally for a weekly chat with 100% honesty guaranteed.

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1. Introduction and Setting the Tone

The episode kicks off with Joanne McNally welcoming listeners to the bonus episode of "My Therapist Ghosted Me." She sets a light-hearted tone by addressing the challenges of managing mental health without professional help, highlighting the importance of honest conversations and laughter as therapeutic tools.

2. Sleep Habits and Anxiety

Vogue shares a relatable and humorous anecdote about her recent experience with sleeplessness:

Vogue Williams [00:25]: "I slept naked last night because I wasn't able to go down to get my pajamas. And it was boiling. It's boiling in London, so stay away, Joanne."

She elaborates on her discomfort and anxiety-induced fear of spiders crawling onto her, leading to restless nights. Joanne responds with her unique sleep habit:

Joanne McNally [01:13]: "I have developed a very strange new tradition, would I say a habit of one ass cheek exposed while I sleep. Yeah. I like a bit of air."

This exchange underscores the hosts' candidness about their personal struggles with sleep and anxiety, making the conversation both engaging and relatable.

3. Coping Mechanisms and Health Concerns

The discussion transitions to coping mechanisms, with Vogue detailing her elaborate pillow setup to manage anxiety:

Vogue Williams [02:33]: "I bought myself. I have three pillows on one side. One is for my head, one’s for between my legs, and then one goes on top of my face."

Joanne shares her approach to finding comfort through weighted blankets and her habit of exposing one buttock to enjoy a cool breeze:

Joanne McNally [01:50]: "I enjoy a breeze on one buttock throughout the evening. That's something new I've realized."

The conversation naturally flows into a discussion about physical health, particularly heart health. Joanne references Amy Winehouse's death to highlight the dangers of excessive alcohol consumption:

Joanne McNally [04:55]: "It was actually the bulimia mixed with the alcohol that was the reason she died in the end. She was drinking to excess like a lot of spirits."

Vogue adds a personal touch by mentioning her family's predisposition to heart problems:

Vogue Williams [05:00]: "I come from a family of bad hearts and I really feel like that might be the thing that gets me in the end."

4. Online Harassment and 'Tattle'

A significant portion of the episode delves into the toxic world of online harassment, specifically focusing on a platform called 'Tattle.' The hosts discuss the prevalence of malicious rumors and the impact they have on individuals' lives.

Joanne expresses her disdain for the anonymity of such platforms:

Joanne McNally [13:14]: "It's all part of the human condition, that people connect over negativity quicker than they connect over positivity."

Vogue shares her experiences with 'Tattle,' highlighting the criminal nature of some of the abuse:

Vogue Williams [12:10]: "And I was like, I'm not gonna say that I've heard that, but I've heard it quite a bit."

They discuss the ramifications of having personal rumors exposed online and the difficulties in addressing or stopping such behavior:

Joanne McNally [15:26]: "The reason you brought it up is that we have stayed well clear of us. But it's a forum where you can anonymously kind of flag off people."

The conversation emphasizes the hosts' struggles with maintaining privacy and protecting their mental well-being in the face of relentless online negativity.

5. Culture Corner - Book Recommendations

Shifting gears, Vogue and Joanne revisit their "Culture Corner," where they share their current reading pursuits and recommendations.

Vogue mentions her interest in Adam K's fiction work:

Vogue Williams [20:36]: "So that's. I feel cultured after that. And Joanne's on a barge also."

Joanne discusses her current read, "Waiting for Britney Spears" by Jeff Weiss, providing a synopsis and her thoughts:

Joanne McNally [22:10]: "Jeff Weiss became a celebrity tabloid journalist in America... and then ended up being a celebrity journalist following around Britney Spears."

They briefly touch upon their differing tastes in literature, with Joanne expressing her indecision about "Sociopath," while Vogue encourages persistence in reading challenges.

6. Live Shows and Closing Remarks

In the final segment, the hosts promote their live shows, sharing tour details and expressing enthusiasm for upcoming performances:

Joanne McNally [23:33]: "Also, if anyone's planning a night, an evening out, I have a standard tour which is currently rolling."

Vogue adds a light-hearted comment about the logistics of touring in Dubai:

Vogue Williams [24:02]: "Are you gonna fly? I had to fly in and out of there in one day. I was absolutely raging."

They wrap up the episode with a blend of humor and genuine connection, leaving listeners eager for more honest and entertaining discussions in future episodes.

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Notable Quotes:

• Vogue Williams [00:25]: "I slept naked last night because I wasn't able to go down to get my pajamas."

• Joanne McNally [01:50]: "I enjoy a breeze on one buttock throughout the evening."

• Joanne McNally [04:55]: "It was actually the bulimia mixed with the alcohol that was the reason she died in the end."

• Vogue Williams [02:33]: "I have three pillows on one side... and one goes on top of my face."

• Joanne McNally [13:14]: "People connect over negativity quicker than they connect over positivity."

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Conclusion

This bonus episode of "My Therapist Ghosted Me" offers a candid and humorous exploration of personal anxieties, coping mechanisms, and the dark side of online interactions. Through their honest dialogue, Vogue Williams and Joanne McNally provide listeners with both relatable content and insightful commentary on navigating mental health in the modern world.

Transcript

[Joanne McNally]

This is a Global Player original podcast.

[Vogue Williams]

Hello.

[Joanne McNally]

Welcome to the bonus episode of My Therapist Ghosted me. We're back. Happy Wednesday to you and your family. It's myself, Joanne McNally and Vogue Williams.

[Vogue Williams]

I slept naked last night because I wasn't artist going down to get my pajamas. And it was boiling. It's boiling in London, so stay away, Joanne. And. And I hated every second of it. I don't know how anyone sleeps naked. I was having bad dreams. I felt like something was gonna crawl up me. It was so hot. But I had to have the blankets on me because. I don't know, I just thought something was gonna go up. I don't know why. I like. I think it's because spiders go in your mouth. I was scared that spiders would go in there.

[Joanne McNally]

Are you actually taking the piss?

[Vogue Williams]

No, I'm serious. I couldn't stop. I will never sleep naked again. And I was wearing these knickers that are too small for me, so I kept waking up with it. Like, in between.

[Joanne McNally]

What? So you were naked? You had knickers on. So how.

[Vogue Williams]

I had knickers on. But then I've learned a lesson. I'm just going to get downstairs and get my pajamas.

[Joanne McNally]

I don't. Yeah, I don't. I have no problem sleeping. Negative. I wouldn't think of anything going in or out or anything like that. Nothing like that will concern me. My issue is I get. Sometimes you get used to. There's a. You know, people have those blankets. They're like a weighted blanket. You get used. There's something comforting about having something weighted it on your skin, whether it be. Well, I obviously don't have the option of a man, so I have to make do with other things like blankets, pillows. Do you know what? I've developed a very strange new tradition, would I say habit of one ass cheek exposed while I sleep. Yeah. I like a bit of air.

[Vogue Williams]

Sexy.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah. Now, bearing in mind I am alone all the time, but. Yeah, you sleep.

[Vogue Williams]

Do you sleep naked then?

[Joanne McNally]

Yes. I don't have any exclusive rules, but I do understand the comfort of having clothes on you. And also I do enjoy a breeze on the. On one buttock throughout the evening. That's something new I've realized. But I'm. I'm like, oh, I'm doing it again. I'm sticking my ass out again. This must be a new habit. It's nice to see growth in yourself always.

[Vogue Williams]

It is. Or is it.

[Joanne McNally]

Is it switching any buttock? Yeah, whatever. But I. I do tend to kick off the duvet and Expose one, but off one to the, to the, to the air. Yeah, yeah. I like a cold ass cheek. Don't know where it came from.

[Vogue Williams]

I think everyone has a very specific way of sleeping. I've now taken to. Now I've gone really far. I bought myself. I have three pillows. Three pillows on one side. One is for my head, one's for between my legs. And then one goes on top of my face. Because I, I, I find if you're, I swear to God, if you ever feel anxious, put a pillow on your face. Don't push down or anything. Just put, lay it on your face.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah.

[Vogue Williams]

Make sure you're able to read. So when I wake up and I feel a bit anxious because I'm sc. Something's going to crawl up me. I was putting the pillow, I put it over my face like that because I sleep on my side. I am telling you, it feels like you're in, like, it feels like you're in a nice, a sand bath place. Just like.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah.

[Vogue Williams]

Said all the noise.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, yeah, I can, I can understand that. I can understand that. Do you think that's how people suffocate? You're going to end up one of those kind of weird accidental suffocation accidents like your man from the thing? What's your man from the thing? Michael Hutchinson's. Maybe that's what he was doing, just trying to relax himself. Trying to. Maybe he's just a bit anxious. So he. No.

[Vogue Williams]

Okay, well, you know what? I was only talking about him. Who was I talking to him about the other day? We were talking about mad celebrity rumors that you hear, but like, obviously his one wasn't a rumor. That's what happened to him. But certain deaths, I think. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's just coming out now, joking. But I think certain deaths, like just don't mention that. Just say he died. I just feel like saying he died doing that was a bit unfair and just, it wasn't necessary.

[Joanne McNally]

But you see, it's all public information, isn't it? When there's a coroner's report and everyone. There's such a morbid curiosity about finding out I know why and how celebrities die. Like the Amy Winehouse. So I, because remember when Amy Winehouse died, it was all very confusing as to how she died or why she died, kind of what kind of took her in the end. And according to that book that I read recently by her best friend, which I really, really enjoyed, it was actually the bulimia mixed with the alcohol was the reason she died in the end. She Actually wasn't on drugs at the end. But I mean she'd obviously done a lot of damage to her body, but she was, she was off the. She was off heroin as such, but she was drinking to excess like white bat, you know, a lot of spirits. Like bot lager day kind of thing. But believe me, puts a huge amount of stress on your heart, which she. So it was a heart attack was the two of them that killed her. That's why even to this day and age, I don't know what damage I've done to myself. I'm very wary about using any of those pre workout stuff. You know those pre workout shots that. They're like five coffee in a shot.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joanne McNally]

You just have to be very careful of your heart. Very careful of your heart.

[Vogue Williams]

Well, I come from a family of bad hearts and I really like. I feel like that might be the thing that gets me in the end. You just, you have to look after. You never look. Well, I don't know if you're still wearing the wig.

[Joanne McNally]

Are you saying you come from a family of villains? Bad hearts, long line of bad bastards? Yeah.

[Vogue Williams]

Dark line. If you're looking for a stroke or if you're looking for a heart attack, come join my family. We would welcome you with open arms.

[Joanne McNally]

I have a. I. When I tracked down my family, I was very pleased to hear. I. All I have is a fatty liver.

[Vogue Williams]

In your family? That's it.

[Joanne McNally]

There's just a. And obviously, you know, there's a lot of alcoholism, but I think that just goes with the. I mean that's, that's just Ireland. That's Ireland. And also just being alive really like I don't even take any that shit seriously anymore, you know, you don't really like. And also that's up to this lifestyle as well. You know, I kind of drink a lot of time because I'm bored really. But anyway, they did tell me fatty liver was something I had to be aware.

[Vogue Williams]

What does the fatty liver mean though? Just that you've got like excess fast building up around your liver. Like, you know when someone's skinny but they've got fat organs. So they're skinny but they're actually, they're really unhealthy because they eat so much crap and it just lives around their organs. Do you still wear the whoop now.

[Joanne McNally]

The whoop is whipping around and I. And I know where it is. I just haven't put it on in a while when I realized. And I enjoyed my brief whooping stint and I will. I Will whoop again. But I haven't been tracking it as such. It kind of gets a little monotonous after I look, oh, okay. I was asleep. You can also get a bit bogged down and tracking your sleep and stuff. And I just. I like to take breaks from knowing every single move my body makes throughout the night, you know, But I do still like a whoop every now and again.

[Vogue Williams]

Well, the whoop will tell you what your heart health is, so it will tell you how many years younger than you are. I've told you that before now. I. I used to wear the whoop all the time, but I take it off when I was drinking because if you wear the whoop when you're drinking, the Next, it's like 1%, like you're 1% recovered. And I just didn't need that in my life. I already feel bad about it.

[Joanne McNally]

Well, also, like, obviously, because I am a drinker, so I. There was a lot of negative energy, a lot of negative feedback coming from my whoop on a regular basis. So I was like, I don't need this in my life. I'm fine. You know, you're dead.

[Vogue Williams]

You're dead.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Tell me if I'm nearing death. But apart from that, do you know what I mean? Sometimes you can have too much information about yourself. I really do believe that it does.

[Vogue Williams]

Make you feel bad, but it also makes me feel good. We used to be in a group, right? We had a whoop group. So you can have a group with people. And. And some days I drink here on. My business partner would be in the group, and I'm like, are you dead straight? I'd be like, have you just not moved? And he's like, no, I went for a walk. I'm like, no, you didn't. You're losing your dad.

[Joanne McNally]

There's also something I'm talking about. I don't know whether it was the. I had a garment at one point as well, which I left in a hotel room. It was never to be seen again. I was heartbroken about it. And that one, it was. I was. I rang the hotel. They're like, it's not there. And I was like, it is there. But anyway, it disappeared.

[Vogue Williams]

Where's the printer?

[Joanne McNally]

Ether.

[Vogue Williams]

Where's the printer?

[Joanne McNally]

Oh, my Polaroid photo printer. The corralled got me for my birthday. Yeah, it's. It's in the safety of Clapham.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, is it?

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah.

[Vogue Williams]

You know, that's interesting. You didn't take it on holidays with you.

[Joanne McNally]

Why would I take a Shop. I can print my memories in the comfort of my own home without adding 3kg to my luggage folk.

[Vogue Williams]

Okay, okay. Well I'm. I can't wait to see your scrapbook when I get back.

[Joanne McNally]

I don't, I don't want to pay to carry my memories around. I'm already 20kgs overweight wearing like I've got my, like I'm carrying on like I'm wearing like 60 coats on each plane and everything. Like ridiculous. To say I need to put on a wash is the biggest understatement of the century. But I was saying the garment once I went out for what I thought was quite an excessive exercise session, came home and it was like, oh, activity. What is it? Activity. Noticed. I was like noticed.

[Vogue Williams]

Do you know when I know I'm a real loser? My aura starts telling me because I wear that ring, the aura ring. And it starts telling me to go to bed at get. Start preparing for bed at half six. Shut up.

[Joanne McNally]

Oh my God.

[Vogue Williams]

I know. It's time to start preparing for bed.

[Joanne McNally]

It's half six. Is this like your skincare routine or is this like your wine time?

[Vogue Williams]

It's a short winding. I'm in bed.

[Joanne McNally]

That is hilarious. Do you remember when you were younger and during the summer and you had to come in when it was bright and I was always the earliest in because part we won't say she was just, you know, she, she, she's gonna. Mom. Pat, Mom's pretty. I was always felt very hard done by cuz she'd want me in very early and so it was bright that they were trying to put you to bed and it was bright outside and your parents be like trying to tape up the curtains and all. You're like it's the middle of the day for God's sake. It was awful. And you could hear all the other kids trying to have the crack outside. You were like in bed like a child. Even though I was a child. That's you.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah.

[Joanne McNally]

No wonder you blackout blinds and all. Sure you'd have to if you're going.

[Vogue Williams]

To bed at 4:00pm it's, it is pathetic. I know it's pathetic. I stayed up till. I stayed up to like half ten the other night and I looked at my clock, I was like, oh Jesus.

[Joanne McNally]

Oh God, my gosh. Quick, close your eyes. The other way. Fake news is getting so convincing now. Remember we thought that Ellen DeGeneres had been arrested as part of the P. Diddy trial?

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah.

[Joanne McNally]

And it turns out like it's not true at all. And then the other day, I had my last Amsterdam show, and Joanna, who's my tour manager for the European Bits, we were chatting after, and she was saying that she. You know, the plane crash, Air India, that obviously I'm.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah.

[Joanne McNally]

Mildly obsessed with, as I am with you.

[Vogue Williams]

We really love plane crashes.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, I mean.

[Vogue Williams]

Well, I mean, you just find them really interesting.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, no, I do. I do. I really do. Yeah. I have a. I have a keen interest in aviation. I suppose that includes aviation disasters. But she was saying that she read that the one sole survivor had been arrested, that there was footage of him planting a bomb under the plane.

[Vogue Williams]

No, no, that's a desperate rumor.

[Joanne McNally]

I was like, joanna, that is not true. She goes, it is. I read it. And I was like, trust me, I. I practically alert. So for this thing, I would know. But she believes that to be true. She read it on some fake news site.

[Vogue Williams]

Well, I said to Joanne. My Joanne the other. Our Joanne the other day, I said to you. You.

[Joanne McNally]

Oh, me. Oh, yes, yes.

[Vogue Williams]

I said to you yesterday. I was like, I heard a rumor, but I don't want to tell you because it's so bad. And I heard this, one of the worst rumors I have ever heard about someone. And I was like, oh, my God. And then I was like, I'm actually not gonna say it to anyone until I hear if it's true or not, because it was so bad. But remember, like. And it isn't true, by the way, so I'm glad I wasn't one to say anything because it was. Honestly, it was so bad. It was.

[Joanne McNally]

It was obviously. Was it kind of like pedophilia style?

[Vogue Williams]

Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joanne McNally]

That is the worst.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah. And I was like, I'm not gonna say it that I've heard that, but I've heard it. Like, I heard it quite a bit. But then I was thinking, like, all the rumors that have gone around about me, like, I shouldn't be whinging about them. I should be so grateful.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah. That they're so innocent. Who was the pedophilia one? Was it on my tattle thread?

[Vogue Williams]

He never spoke about tattle. Never spoke about it.

[Joanne McNally]

Oh, God. I'm just like, I want no part of any of us. I want nothing to deal with it. It's all exposed. And of course, it's a man. It's a man.

[Vogue Williams]

What a douchebag he is.

[Joanne McNally]

For women to slag each other off. It's a man doing it. I know. Shock her.

[Vogue Williams]

God. It's just. Honestly. But my eyes.

[Joanne McNally]

Something a loser.

[Vogue Williams]

What a Gay bag. When I saw that when I. But like, some people, like had social services sent to their house. Some people's like, floor plans are plugged up. Some people's like, where their kids go to school and nursery is put up. All that kind of stuff.

[Joanne McNally]

Wild, wild.

[Vogue Williams]

But I. My favorite thing about it is because he's been released now and now the people behind it who've started all these vicious things now, people who are. They're gonna be out there.

[Joanne McNally]

Are they though? For anyone who doesn't know tattle, we even. We have stayed well clear of us. But it's a forum where you go on and you can anonymously kind of flag off people. It's funny when it's. It's. It's for kind of influencer type people. And a lot of people, some people are. Some people are worse off than others. People are getting all sorts of abuse on it. I never read mine because I was like, it's probably all true. I want no part. No, I was like, my children are like, yeah, can't. Can't deny any of this. Actually, to be honest, it's all absolutely true. Wow.

[Vogue Williams]

How did they find that out?

[Joanne McNally]

I would just be terrified that if they go through my top thread, it's like our mothers or something. Do you know what I mean? It's like, I just don't know.

[Vogue Williams]

But my thing is imagine it's someone we know.

[Joanne McNally]

I don't want to know. It's like after when I do a show, sometimes if I'm in the green room after the dressing room, the window's open, you can hear people leaving the show, and even if it's good stuff, I'm gonna close the window. I was like, I. I just don't want to hear anyone speaking. To read anything read written about me like that. I just don't want to know.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, well, do you know what? I kind of. I kind of love it that people who've been saying awful things about people because remember I told the story on the pod about that girl who found her trolls. Hers were tattle, but they were actually ruining. Ruining her life and she found them and people who are doing things like that because it's criminal. Sometimes it's actually, it's so bad what they're saying, it's criminal. So that's why you'll be able to find out who they are and imagine it's someone that you think is. Is really normal. You'll be like, what?

[Joanne McNally]

Oh. But I think it's a slippery slope. I think you start normal and Then you can kind of spiral into. I'd say there's a great sense of community on it. You know what I mean? I say they're like, you're tackle buds. You're like, hey. And you go in. In the evening and you like, you know, you're like, oh, yeah, there's that other Tattler and you kind of chat to them and I'd say that's, you know, it's that kind of. It's the sense of camaraderie and community that we love.

[Vogue Williams]

On there.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, well, they'd say that coming. That's. This is the problem with it. It's all part of the human condition, that people connect over negativity quicker than they connect over positivity. So if you have a mutual enemy or if you've someone you mutually don't like. Yeah, it's a real bonding experience, you know, And I think that's why tattle has been. Has been as big as it has been. But the. The reason you brought it up, or I think I brought it up, is that they have. We did know who was behind it. So you couldn't sue anyone because you didn't know who to start suing at the. Start at the top.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah.

[Joanne McNally]

And now a couple from Northern Ireland have taken him to court and they found out he's behind it and he's been outed. So now they're kind of saying, what happens out of this? What happens next? Is everyone on top gonna get outed? I don't know.

[Vogue Williams]

It's so exciting.

[Joanne McNally]

It's so toxic. It's so toxic. But also kind of funny in a weird way.

[Vogue Williams]

No, it's. I just think it's so insane because that girl that I told you about, she had that. One of the people that she found was 14 other people. She was 14 people on tattle. So she wasn't even. They weren't her friends. That was just her conversing with herself. It's like.

[Joanne McNally]

That's impressive.

[Vogue Williams]

It's. It's.

[Joanne McNally]

You know, I think it's like, really.

[Vogue Williams]

I don't know if it's therapy that can help you. I think you're going to have to really go in somewhere. You're going to have to spend a time. A time at a place.

[Joanne McNally]

I can. I can see the appeal of us. I think if you're following people online and they're rubbing you up the wrong way and they're. And you're not particularly happy with where you are and what you're doing in your life or I'M not saying everyone on tattle is, like, depressed. I don't, I don't think that either. But if someone you feel is kind of showboating or like lording something over you and you know it doesn't bring out the best in us, and then you find a thread where all these other people hate that person as well. Yeah. You're like, oh, hey, fam. Do you know what I mean? This is a way to spend an evening.

[Vogue Williams]

Dare you to ring social services.

[Joanne McNally]

Do it now. That's crazy. I wonder, do they actually think the children are in trouble or are they.

[Vogue Williams]

Doing one of the. Ashley James, who, who I follow, she was putting up. She had people sent over and she was like, they've wasted social services time on a loving home. Because this group of people had started this. It's. I just think of the whole thing. I just think it is so insane. I couldn't be honest. And if I don't like somebody, I just mute them. And I have. Do I have people muted? A lot of people, yes. It's not because I don't like them. I just don't want to see their stuff every day.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah. Well, we'll be keeping a close eye on the title story as it, as it rolls out because I also saw there was a girl on Tick Tock that I came across who was a tattler. Yeah. And she was saying.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, she was saying she would shoot a video.

[Joanne McNally]

She was like, oh, what? Because I called you a SAP once. I've ruined your life and you're having a mental health crisis. She was like, defending herself and I was like, this is quite something. Quite something.

[Vogue Williams]

I think this is going to unfold into just endless amounts of madness for us.

[Joanne McNally]

There's a lot of finger pointing going on. There's. There'll be a lot of, you know, big reveals or maybe not because there is that GDPR side to it as well. I don't know if you can out people.

[Vogue Williams]

I think, I guess, I think if you call someone a ghee bag, fine. But if you've. If you've tried to get somebody arrested, probably not, fine. I'd be worried if I was you.

[Joanne McNally]

Calling someone a ghee bag online is different to interfering with their livelihood and their family and all that's, you know, Come on now. That's, I would say, a bit much.

[Vogue Williams]

We're gonna have to.

[Joanne McNally]

I look forward to having us both revealed as two top doctors about on each other's threads. Imagine.

[Vogue Williams]

Okay, we've two emails. Hot and Heavy and Culture Corner.

[Joanne McNally]

Oh, I love Culture Corner. Is it the fact that we didn't do it, we stopped, we started and never did it again?

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah.

[Joanne McNally]

Hit me with the consequences of our.

[Vogue Williams]

Action of the week, lads. I know you never followed through with things, but what the happened to the culture? Come on, like.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, no fair.

[Vogue Williams]

I have one.

[Joanne McNally]

That is fair. That is fair. We need to put that back on the topic list.

[Vogue Williams]

I feel sometimes that we do do recommendations. That's kind of what our Culture Corner has turned into. I, I have started reading Sociopath because I just thought it'd be an interesting book to read and it is an interesting book to read about a woman who's a sociopath and she's writing about it. And it's just. It's a very. It's a very good book, I have to say. Gets slightly repetitive in parts, but I'm enjoying it.

[Joanne McNally]

I started that and I did not finish it.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, you see, she wasn't the way through.

[Joanne McNally]

She wasn't sociopathic enough for me, to be honest.

[Vogue Williams]

I think, yeah, I was. There's no mother.

[Joanne McNally]

She was a bit light on the sociopathy and I was like, nah, I, I kind of. Sorry. Now, whoever the writer is, it was a very well written book, but I didn't. It didn't really hold my interest, sadly.

[Vogue Williams]

Well, I'm definitely not a sociopath, but I interviewed someone who. I know that you're pals with Joanne, but I'm obsessed with. Obsessed with, like, really obsessed with them. Adam K Today.

[Joanne McNally]

And, oh, yeah, I love him.

[Vogue Williams]

So he's written a fiction book now and his book this Is Gonna Hurt was one of his books and it was the. If you haven't read this Is Gonna Hurt. It's really old, but it's his diary from when he was a doctor and then he did a TV show out of it. And it really is. It's one of those books that I'd go back to reading, but this one is called A Particularly Nasty Case and it's his first fiction book and he's such a good writer that that is going to be a good book. Great.

[Joanne McNally]

I actually chose this Is Gonna Hurt as my book for a BBC book podcast.

[Vogue Williams]

That's a good book. And they didn't want it.

[Joanne McNally]

No, they did, they did, but it was. I. I just remember other people were choosing, like, Ulysses and all, and then I think sometimes people can kind of override the pudding on these things. Do you know what I mean? They're trying to like you. You feel a lot of pressure. They're like, oh, your Favorite book ever. There's no such thing. I don't think, anyway, books.

[Vogue Williams]

I think it changes different times.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah. At different times of your life and everything like that. But I. I did. I went in with this Is Gonna Hurt. And I. The other books were quite lofty. And I'm not saying, like, this is gonna hurt. It's not that it's lowbreak or anything. It just. I felt a bit like, oh, should I have gone in with milk? Or one of those kind of like, you know, Pulitzer vibes. But I love this Is Gonna Hurt. I love, love, love. And I read his other one, the second one. He had another one.

[Vogue Williams]

There's two. He's three now. He's. He did three like that. And they're all really, really good. So that's. I feel cultured after that. And Joanne's on a barge also.

[Joanne McNally]

I am. Well, I. Do you want to hear the book that I'm listening to at my ears at the moment if we're gonna get into the culture corner of it all? It's called Waiting for Britney Spears by a man called Jeff Weiss.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, she's back on her Britney buzz. Wait.

[Joanne McNally]

I said. I assume it's. It's like a kind of Waiting for Godo vibe, but it. Not as in, like the play in the name. But he basically, Jeff Wise, became a celebrity, like, tabloid journalist in. In America. But he accidentally. He was in the school that she filmed. One More Time. The video in Hit Me Baby, One More Time. It's a school in la and they used to. They used to film things in there a lot. But he went into the shoes. He kind of walked in by accident and watched it play out and then became kind of. And then later on in his life, ended up being a celebrity journalist and was kind of following around and running with Britney Spears. So that's what I'm listening to at the moment. And at the moment it's quite good. Hasn't kicked off yet, but it's only the start.

[Vogue Williams]

You've really put me off Sociopath now. I was like. And I'm like a quarter of the way through it, I'm like, I am going to start Adam K's anyway, but I'm gonna keep trying. With Sociopath. I hate giving up books. It's my one thing that I'm like, I've only given up one book in my life. I'm like, I need to push through.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, totally. Yeah. For a sense of attention, achievement.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, exactly. Also, my book is still on sale big mate. If you would like to read it. It is. I've heard it's a lovely holiday read. I haven't read it on the beach myself, but it's out and the link is in my bio. Thank you so much for listening. That was the bonus episode of My Therapist Ghosted me.

[Joanne McNally]

Also, if anyone's planning a night, an evening out, I have a standard tour which is currently rolling. Some shows are sold, some shows that aren't sold. Cardiff, we have a second night there. Plymouth, Bournemouth, Yeovil, Canterbury, Stockton on Tees, Newcastle Island, Oxford Island.

[Vogue Williams]

Lovely.

[Joanne McNally]

And we've added a second Dubai.

[Vogue Williams]

I saw the second Dubai.

[Joanne McNally]

Hi. Dubai.

[Vogue Williams]

That means you'll get four days in Dubai.

[Joanne McNally]

No, it's the same day.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, no.

[Joanne McNally]

You have one day in Dubai.

[Vogue Williams]

Are you gonna fly? I had to fly in and out of there in one day. I was absolutely raging.

[Joanne McNally]

It's a 24 hour turnaround. Yeah, I know. It's a lot, but there you go. I know. Don't talk, Greta.