Ozempic, The Brits & The Trolley

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Ozempic, The Brits & The Trolley"

Episode Details

• Podcast Title: My Therapist Ghosted Me
• Host: Vogue Williams & Joanne McNally
• Episode Title: Ozempic, The Brits & The Trolley
• Release Date: March 7, 2025

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1. Hair Health and Red Light Therapy

The episode kicks off with Vogue and Joanne discussing their concerns about hair health. Vogue shares her recent experiences with hair thinning and introduces the concept of red light therapy as a potential solution.

• Vogue Williams (00:02): "There's some treatment, right, that you go in and they basically like roller your head with micro-needling... and then they put red light therapy over your head. And it really promotes hair growth."

Joanne empathizes with Vogue's struggles, sharing her own challenges with hair damage from chemical treatments and the impact of motherhood on hair density.

• Joanne McNally (01:04): "I've always had a good head of hair, I'm finding it very difficult to witness this thinning at the front."

2. The Impact of Ozempic on Health and Society

The conversation shifts to Ozempic, a popular weight-loss medication, highlighting both its benefits and side effects, particularly hair loss.

• Vogue Williams (03:34): "Ozempic has been proven to cause people's hair to fall out."

Joanne delves into the broader societal changes influenced by Ozempic, noting the decline in the junk food and alcohol industries as more people adopt healthier lifestyles.

• Joanne McNally (04:20): "People want to live healthier lifestyles. But Ozempic is bad for your hair because your body's not getting the nutrients it needs."

Despite the drawbacks, both hosts acknowledge the medication's effectiveness for those who genuinely need it.

• Joanne McNally (05:07): "I do think it's doing great things for the people who need it."

3. Wills, Inheritance, and Family Dynamics

Vogue and Joanne humorously navigate the topic of wills and inheritance, sharing personal anecdotes about their families' attitudes toward legacy and money distribution.

• Vogue Williams (10:15): "I am gonna get one. I actually just recently had to say who I would give my pension to because..."

The discussion highlights potential family tensions that can arise from unclear or contentious wills.

• Joanne McNally (09:24): "It can be chaotic and messy. That's why you need to be very clear in your... Do you have a will, Vogue?"

4. Creative Processes and Live Performance Challenges

Joanne shares her experiences with setting up live shows, emphasizing the unpredictable nature of creative endeavors.

• Joanne McNally (11:24): "I'm just doing a really small room in the town hall. It's a very cold room... Honestly, if I was them, I would have been fuming with me."

Vogue reflects on past performances, discussing the balance between show length and audience engagement.

• Vogue Williams (13:23): "I don't think I would have been fuming, but I think it's only because you put that in my head ages ago that an hour is like the perfect showtime."

5. Travel Woes: The Great Train Debate

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to their frustrations with the UK and Irish train services, particularly the absence of trolleys and onboard refreshments.

• Joanne McNally (21:21): "I have a complaint. And I love Ireland. I love Ireland... They do a great train experience."

• Vogue Williams (23:30): "I actually had to say who I would give my pension to because I do. I put money into a pension fund and then I thought..."

Their banter paints a vivid picture of the inconveniences faced by travelers, leading to humorous declarations about bringing back trolley services.

• Joanne McNally (30:15): "After the next tour, when hopefully I've made back the money that I've spent on asos, I will do the trolley myself."

6. Health Fads: Protein and Botox Craze

The hosts explore the obsession with protein intake and cosmetic procedures, critiquing societal pressures and misconceptions.

• Joanne McNally (18:05): "Protein is a new avocado, in my humble opinion... they are just still like a chocolate bar at the end of the day."

• Vogue Williams (34:32): "If I die and you want to have my pension, I'll tell you what, you can drag my dead body wherever you need to."

Their discussion underscores the superficiality often associated with health trends, emphasizing the importance of genuine well-being over fad diets or beauty standards.

7. Entertainment Insights: Brits and Oscars Rumblings

Vogue and Joanne delve into their feelings about major entertainment events like the Brits and the Oscars, expressing ambivalence and humorous critiques of celebrity behavior.

• Vogue Williams (39:07): "I saw Josie Gibson. She's on it. She's on this morning and I saw... She's getting flown around the world first class..."

• Joanne McNally (40:03): "I think if I was to really unpack myself, I'm like, am I just jealous that I'm not in the gang that goes to those things?"

They discuss the allure of red carpets and after-parties, pondering the superficial nature of such events versus their own personal preferences.

8. Humorous Reflections and Future Plans

Wrapping up, the hosts share light-hearted plans and humorous takes on upcoming projects, including potential attendance at the Brits and the idea of starting a travel podcast focused solely on drinking and flying.

• Vogue Williams (42:33): "Okay, we're going. We're going. Oh, my God. Let's do it. Right. We're saying it. What's the date? Oh, no. God. Will I back out of it? No, I'm going to the Brits."

• Joanne McNally (43:06): "That's it for the main episode... Jamalmcnally.com for Pena file dates... I'm adding an extra Amsterdam and I'm adding an extra Apollo Folk Gorgia."

Their camaraderie and playful banter conclude the episode on an upbeat note, leaving listeners entertained and engaged.

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Notable Quotes:

• Vogue Williams (00:02): "There's some treatment... they roller your head with micro-needling... and then they put red light therapy over your head."
• Joanne McNally (04:20): "People want to live healthier lifestyles. But Ozempic is bad for your hair because your body's not getting the nutrients it needs."
• Vogue Williams (10:15): "I am gonna get one. I actually just recently had to say who I would give my pension to because..."
• Joanne McNally (30:15): "I will do the trolley myself to bring some joy onto those trains."

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Conclusion

In this lively episode of "My Therapist Ghosted Me," Vogue Williams and Joanne McNally navigate a myriad of topics with humor and honesty. From personal health concerns and societal trends like the rise of Ozempic to the frustrations of modern train travel and the superficial glamor of entertainment events, the hosts offer listeners a candid glimpse into their lives and thoughts. Their engaging dialogue, punctuated with memorable quotes and relatable anecdotes, makes for an entertaining and insightful listen for both regular fans and newcomers alike.

Transcript

[Vogue Williams]

This is a Global Player original podcast. Hello and welcome to my therapist ghost with you at me, Vogue Williams and Joanne McNally. Before we came on, Joanne and I were talking about hair and I was just told this very morning about a treat because I was pulling my hair back and I was like, what? I don't know if it's when you age or whatever. It doesn't really happen. It happened for some women. But I've noticed like that I feel like I've got like less hair on the side of my head. And then you said it about a part of your head. There's, there's some treatment, right, that you go in and they basically like roller your head with, with the micro needling and then they put stuff serum in it for your hair and then they put, they roller it again and then they put red light therapy over your head. And it really promotes hair growth. And I'm going to try it.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, I. So my hair, my remember my slag strips, which were basically just bleached straight onto the scalp, and my front bits of my hair have, have still yet to recover from the abuse I put them through. And as someone who has always had a good head of hair, I'm finding it very, what is a difficult to witness this thinning at the front. And I just, I don't want to accept it. So I'm wondering what can I do? Because now that I'm darker as well, you know, you can see the scalp more. I mean, look, it's very much first world hair problems, but still.

[Vogue Williams]

My makeup artist, my makeup artist this morning showed me before and after of her hair and it was a massive difference. And she said if you have those, you know, those red light, like that shark mask, you have it on. I have, yeah. What's my own current body if you just put that on your head? Supposedly the red light promotes hair growth. Really? No wonder I've got a beard. I've always got that mask on. Well, so that's what she said to me. She said it will help promote the hair growth if you just do that. So I'm going to do it like, okay, front.

[Joanne McNally]

Apparently having kids thins your hair as well.

[Vogue Williams]

Well, worse still, when you're, when you're pregnant, your hair is like, you've so much hair and you look amazing and you're like, where did this full head of hair come? And then the kid comes and then it all starts coming out. So I think that that's what happened to the front of my hair.

[Joanne McNally]

I need a huge set of boobs for pregnancy. So pregnancy really suited you.

[Vogue Williams]

I'm going to try and find my pregnancy boobs and I'll send them to you because when the milk comes in, they were like these massive, like very painful hard rocks. But huge.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, huge. They were. Even I was like, wow, Vogue. You. You're really putting on that busty display.

[Vogue Williams]

I was putting on the busty display non stop. I'll tell you.

[Joanne McNally]

There was a. There was. There was bust. Joe, aren't you lucky that you've no hair loss even though you've had two children because you didn't physically have to go through it?

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

It's quite dark, so I feel like it can't be very far away from a bit of graying. I don't think it's happening yet.

[Vogue Williams]

It's not one gray hair at all.

[Unknown]

But I'd quite like it if it did. That sort of line, you know, guys can get that line of gray.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, yeah, yeah, that'd be all right.

[Joanne McNally]

You'd be. You'd rock it. Joe. I think, I think I'm. I'm ready for. I think you'll rock us.

[Vogue Williams]

I enjoy a silver haired fox. Remember Anthony Bourdon? Oh, what a babe. And that director who passed away recently. Gorgeous. With a full head of gray hair. Yeah, I'm really into the gray hair.

[Joanne McNally]

Not on me though. I'm. I. If I'm surprised there isn't like a tablet you can. I'm sure Ozempic seems to be able to do everything. I'm sure Ozempic will eventually be proven to turn your hair back blonde or something like that.

[Vogue Williams]

Well, well actually Ozempic has been proven to because people are eating so much less when they're on a zempeg.

[Joanne McNally]

It's.

[Vogue Williams]

It's causing people's hair to fall out.

[Joanne McNally]

What?

[Vogue Williams]

Yes.

[Unknown]

Not a medical podcast.

[Joanne McNally]

Not a medical podcast. Oh, but you know what as well. And like, we're not really qualified to talk about a Zenbook, but that's not going to stop us, apparently, because it's because the junk food industry are panicking because people like those people who were overeating that stuff, who were probably taking the pan, if they cannot get access to the pan and all that stuff, they're. It's already eating into their profits and they're trying to figure out another way to.

[Vogue Williams]

I know, it's. It's. Sorry, it's same with the alcohol industry. Alcohol sales are declining rapidly.

[Joanne McNally]

Why? I've only been out of London for three days.

[Vogue Williams]

Well, they, I'm surprised they haven't held an award ceremony for you for single handedly propping them up. I know, yeah, that's declining as well. But like, hold on.

[Joanne McNally]

Because of Ozempic?

[Vogue Williams]

No, just like the thing like, like the junk food is declining. And then another thing that's bad for you, alcohol declining. Because people are just wanting to live healthier lifestyles. But a zempic is bad for your hair because your body's not getting the nutrients it needs. Because it's basically like. I know, I have to say, I know a lot of people on zempic. A lot, A lot. And what I know of it is that like they can eat like a third of their meal and then they're stuffed.

[Joanne McNally]

I do think it's doing great things though, I have to say, for the people who need it. I do. And also.

[Unknown]

Or not. For balance. Maybe it's not.

[Joanne McNally]

Or no. Or not. But there it is. I was, I was reading this thing about it the other day and I. It's going to change society because they're saying it's already showing to have positive effects on dementia.

[Vogue Williams]

So does, so does a sauna though.

[Joanne McNally]

I don't like getting wet. I don't like getting wet. I'd rather just stab myself. Do you know what I mean? And if, if they break and they're saying it could have really positive effects on over alcohol.

[Vogue Williams]

I think people are gonna, it's, it's like vapes. It's like vapes. There's gonna be. There's not enough research really into people because some people are really abusing it though. Like people that don't eat sometimes for three days because they literally are not hungry. Like, that's not good for your body.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, fair enough. I think it's doing great things and I think they're like, it's a, it's, it's science and I'm, I love science.

[Vogue Williams]

It's doing great things for some people and then it's not great for other people.

[Unknown]

I think good balance. That's nice.

[Joanne McNally]

Look at us.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah.

[Joanne McNally]

God, we really. It's very clear we haven't a clue what we're talking about.

[Vogue Williams]

No. And I'm always saying sometimes it's good.

[Joanne McNally]

And then sometimes it's not good. Okay, next.

[Vogue Williams]

Well, I'm always careful about what we say about things like that because like we're, we're very open in what we like put into our own bodies. And I like, I wouldn't say that we are particular. We're not health gurus. Do you know what I mean? Again, I know But I was watching the Kardashians, and they were with your man, Brian Johnson, and he. And they were sitting down. Yeah, they were sitting down for dinner with him. And he basically. They were like, so do you ever have, like, the odd blowout? And he goes, I never put a calorie into my body. That doesn't do something for my body. And I just. Oh, God, that's so depressing.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah. I would think that I would kind of assume that's a mental illness to anything to be that overly consumed with a lifestyle like that. I mean, it's probably a bit rich for me just go on to say, I mean, he's just being. Trying to be healthy. That's. It's probably a bit cruel of me to just to dismiss it as a mental illness, but I just mean it's not. It's not how I would choose to live my. It's not how I would choose to live my life.

[Vogue Williams]

No. And I kind. I think that you're kind of right. It's because it's obsessive. He's obsessive about it. Like, imagine considering, like, oh, I can't have that mushroom because, like, I've already. I've already had three Brussels sprites.

[Joanne McNally]

Is that what he's like?

[Vogue Williams]

Every single. When he was on with the Kardashians and they were eating, he was like. And they were like, oh, is the meal gonna be nice? And he was like, no, probably not, because it's just like what my body needs at this time of day. And it doesn't have any salt, it doesn't have any this. And I'm like, oh, Like, I just.

[Joanne McNally]

This man needs to stop. I'm telling you now something. If I don't believe in the universe, but if I did this, this, to me, feels like this lad's gonna get hit by a bus. Do you know what I mean? All this work and all this restriction, and he could literally. A grand piano could fall out of a roof of a bit off a roof of building and knock this lad into an early grave. And then what?

[Vogue Williams]

Joanne McNally, I think you've rubbed off me because I'm not bringing up booze again, but I had a few drinks on Saturday and I started catastrophizing on Sunday, and I was like, vogue. You could walk out there and be dead in two minutes. You enjoy what you did last?

[Joanne McNally]

Yes, exactly. Yes, exactly. It's like when I. I stressed about something, I. I bought something recently that was quite expensive, and then I was kind of freaking out about what I'd spent because I'm obviously trying to buy a house and all this shots and Vogue said with great wisdom, she said, you can't take it with you, Joanne. You can't take it with you. And I said, you're dead right. You're dead right.

[Vogue Williams]

Theodore said to me the other day, will you leave me your money when you die? I was like, oh my God, it's a bit early for that.

[Joanne McNally]

Six year old Theodore, God, he's really moved on from. Except like, you know, he's got. He's just figured out you're going to die. He grieves that for about 20 minutes and then he's straight into the inheritance for a bad one.

[Vogue Williams]

My brother was really about. Because my parents, they have a. What's that called when an executor of their wills and like we're talking about like obviously things are going to have to get split up and everything. But like my. One of my brothers was very into it. I'm like, Frederick, they are not in any way close to death, please God, inherit them. Live.

[Joanne McNally]

It causes all sorts of problems. I know families who don't speak anymore. I know other families who've taken the will to court because the parents left all the money to one member of the family and the siblings are taking him to court. Like it's, it can, it's. It can be chaotic and messy. That's why you need to be very clear in your. Do you have a Whale Vogue?

[Vogue Williams]

Not yet. Touch wood. I will, I will. I will get one. I will. Will, will.

[Joanne McNally]

Joe, do you will?

[Unknown]

I don't own anything. So there's.

[Joanne McNally]

You've kids there and stuff now.

[Unknown]

Yeah, but there's. I've got a pair of trainers and a guitar. So, you know, one of them can have the shoes and then one of them can.

[Joanne McNally]

Fine, yeah, fair enough. Well, it's, it's. You've said it here now.

[Unknown]

So, yeah, consider this if I will.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah. If the grand piano comes for you instead of Brian, we'll not. We'll have it on record that the shoes and the guitar gets bit between the two kids. Fair enough.

[Vogue Williams]

I am gonna get one. I actually just recently had to say who I would give my pension to because I do. I, I put money into a pension fund and then I thought they were like, oh, just Neil, my stepdad was like, just give it to Spencer. And I was like, no, no. And I was like, I'll give it to the kids.

[Joanne McNally]

You're not giving your husband your pension.

[Vogue Williams]

No, give it to the kids.

[Joanne McNally]

Fair enough.

[Vogue Williams]

Look, he can make his own money. They get everything. I've said it here in the podcast now, right? They get my house.

[Joanne McNally]

It's so funny that you're trying to teach Spencer a lesson by not giving him your pension. You're like, no, no, it's usually the way. It's usually when people are like, they're not going to give their kids the money because they're like, no, no, you need to learn to work for yourself and make your own money. But this lesson is being taught to. What, Is he nearly 40 at this stage?

[Vogue Williams]

No, he's only 36. He's only 30. He's only 36. A spring chicken, little baby.

[Joanne McNally]

He's going to run himself into an early grave at this rate. I saw him out sprinting again around some track in London. Yeah. Who's he raising awareness for now?

[Vogue Williams]

He's not raising awareness for Vogue at home. Picking up the slack. I saw your new boots.

[Joanne McNally]

Disgusting. I don't know what that was about.

[Vogue Williams]

Were you wearing them around or did you send them back?

[Joanne McNally]

Too late to send them back. I had them sent to my. They're out of date. Like, they're. I don't know. What did I think I was buying a costume. You'd want to see these boots.

[Vogue Williams]

An astronaut for Christmas. For Halloween. Not for Christmas or for Christmas, whichever you draw there, actually. Where are you, by the way? In that. What is that place?

[Joanne McNally]

I'm in Galway. I'm in the Dean Hotel in Galway, coming to you live.

[Vogue Williams]

They have a dean in Galway as well?

[Joanne McNally]

They do, indeed. They do indeed. I'm here for the gym. The great gym.

[Vogue Williams]

Great food. They've great food in the Dean.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, no, it's a nice hotel. I'm in. Go. Doing some work in progress shows ahead of Pedophile, starting in about a month's time. So that's interesting.

[Vogue Williams]

Are you excited or nervous?

[Joanne McNally]

I'm excited. I'm excited. They work in progress. The process is one work in progress, you're like, oh, my God, I've got a show. This is great. And then the next work in progress, you're like, oh, my God, suspend me from the nearest bridge. So that's just kind of the creative process. There's highs and lows, highs and lows. So, yeah, and the room that I'm doing, I'm just doing a really small room in the town hall. I'm just doing the studio in the town hall. It's like a 100 seater, maybe, and. But it's. It's a very cold room. Like, it's not a warm room, so I'm just going. It's just me going on at 7:00. So I'm in a bit of a suspend myself from the bridge mood today. But that's okay. That's okay. It's okay. It's a creative process. It's a creative process. And I would like to thank Galway for its honesty. I'm actually only taking the bits. It's actually going quite well now. Last night I forgot to press record on my phone, so I didn't know how long I'd done. And I did. I did an hour and 20 minutes. And I can only apologize to those poor women sat there because they can't get out. They have the way the room is set up. They have to walk past me and they're too polite to do that. So I'm just so sorry because there. There's no excuse for doing an errand 20. There's just no excuse. People have babysitters, lives, kids. And like I said about me and you Vogue, I'm not that interesting either on my own. So I can only apologize for doing an hour, 20 minutes. Honestly, if I was them, I would have been fuming with me fuming.

[Vogue Williams]

I don't think I would have been fuming, but I think it's only because you put that in my head ages ago that an hour is like the perfect showtime. And actually, I agree with you.

[Joanne McNally]

Hour 10, unless it's. Unless it's like experimenting on them for an hour and 20 is. It's unsound.

[Vogue Williams]

We used to try. We used to try and hit an hour and 15 and ghost it. And remember sometimes it'd be like an Aaron 40. Be like, oh, God.

[Joanne McNally]

And the reason I really copped it was when I was doing Prosecco, I would some. I remember there was times I was going into an. One time, I did. One time I did an Aaron dirty. Like, how rude, right? How self indulgent. I didn't realize. I just didn't realize. I really didn't realize. And like, I know I don't. It doesn't matter who you are. It doesn't matter how good you are. It doesn't matter who you are sitting in an audience for that length of time. And I noticed that when I went back into being an audience member and looking at other shows and no matter how good they were, no matter how funny, how interesting, how good the show was, 50 minutes in, I'm like, all right, come on, where's this? Where's this going?

[Vogue Williams]

So Peter K Was like, I think two hours 20 with a 20 minute break.

[Joanne McNally]

Well, at least he put a break in.

[Vogue Williams]

He put the break in. But he also did stuff like where he does like Audi. A lot of audience interaction where we're singing along to theme tunes and stuff.

[Joanne McNally]

That's fun.

[Vogue Williams]

And I was a bit pissed, so I didn't really notice.

[Joanne McNally]

But if you're charged now, he would be charging proper cash for those tickets. And I think if you're charging. If you're going Oasis level of expense on tickets you have, you can't be in an within an hour. So you do. I think doing two sections is a good idea then, because then you're kind of breaking it up. But you are giving them a lot. So. Yeah. Anyway, apologies, but.

[Vogue Williams]

But we love you. Go away. Oasis said they're only doing an hour. Did you hear that, Joe?

[Unknown]

Liam's on the wind up.

[Vogue Williams]

Get lost, Liam, if you're like.

[Joanne McNally]

I heard they haven't. And how I've heard this. Oh, I think within the Daily Mail. I heard they haven't started rehearsals yet. And as someone. Who is it who kind of does shows as a job, I was like, no rehearsals yet. It's starting in July.

[Vogue Williams]

Stop, don't make me. I had to pay for tickets for my siblings by accident.

[Joanne McNally]

They're not even in rehearsals yet now. I guess they know the songs. They're just like, oh, yeah. But the definitely feels to me these lads are buying in this house. This is a bang out.

[Vogue Williams]

They are gonna make like. I'd love to know what they're gonna make off the tour. Millions. They must be making 5 million each or something.

[Joanne McNally]

Sounds like they're ringing this one in.

[Unknown]

100 million.

[Vogue Williams]

Shut up. They're going to make 100 million and not I.

[Joanne McNally]

Someone's frantically tapping away. There is a Joe is Joe.

[Vogue Williams]

Tapa, tapa tap.

[Unknown]

A million each, they reckon.

[Joanne McNally]

Wow.

[Vogue Williams]

Do you ever see though, boxers. I mean, TYSON FURY. Here's 150 million to go and box. I'd let anyone punch the head off me for that.

[Joanne McNally]

Ah, 100%.

[Vogue Williams]

Line me up now. Yeah. What are we doing with ourselves? We're pathetic.

[Joanne McNally]

But also now, I mean, I don't mean to bring in the revenue, but I assume they all have to pay. I mean, if they get 50 million, Joe, they're gonna have to pay 25 million attacks, aren't they? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Unknown]

Good bit of tax revenue.

[Vogue Williams]

I mean, I'm sorry, I'll be happy. I'll be. To pay 25 million in tax if I was making 25 million.

[Joanne McNally]

It's only 25 million. No wonder they haven't started rehearsals. I wouldn't bother. Once the tax comes out, it wouldn't bother. Point of working, they just take it all off anyway.

[Vogue Williams]

I actually had the nicest job in the world last week. I'm working with a brand and they were just so nice. They had all these. I was doing a shoot and they had all these snacks downstairs. From what they heard that I liked on the podcast and everything. And it was in one of those. That's when I was texting you remember? I was texting Joanne. All these pictures of these houses on this road and clap them. I've never.

[Joanne McNally]

This.

[Vogue Williams]

These people's house. We rented in their house. Oh, my God.

[Joanne McNally]

God.

[Vogue Williams]

I'm moving to Clapham.

[Joanne McNally]

Clapham's bougie. It's not. Yeah, no, it is. There's got this gorgeous house there. Huge, big terrace, hazels and all. I know. Yeah, but it's very expensive in Clapham.

[Vogue Williams]

I know, but they'd like. But you know what? It's very expensive everywhere in London. But I just think Clapham, you've got the park, you've got the tube. I'm gonna go house hunting in Clapham. I haven't sold my house yet, but it'll happen.

[Joanne McNally]

We'll be neighbors then.

[Vogue Williams]

Can't bloody wake. I'll be on babysit.

[Joanne McNally]

Judy, do you want to say what the job was, or was it just about the snacks?

[Vogue Williams]

It was just about the snacks and stuff. Just a little bit about my week. It was. But it was one of those jobs where you're like, this is the greatest job of all time. And then I went upstairs and I was like. I went upstairs because they were like, oh, can you come up for a minute? And I was like, oh, God, something. Something's gone wrong because this has just been too nice of a day. And I went upstairs and they gave me flowers. Flowers. It was vital proteins, by the way.

[Joanne McNally]

Protein is huge right now.

[Vogue Williams]

This is collagen. Protein.

[Joanne McNally]

Protein. Protein is a new avocado, in my humble opinion. There's all. It's the talk of the town. I don't know how the amount of protein I'm supposed to be taking in for a woman of my age. I'm gonna have to get up in the middle of the night and just start eating raw chicken breasts. I'm supposed to be on something like 60 million grams a day. Like, where do we get the time, Joe? How much protein are you eating a day? Do you even know what it Is. I have no idea what it is.

[Unknown]

It's vaguely meat, isn't it?

[Vogue Williams]

No. You can get protein yogurts and everything now. It's in everything. But this one has collagen in it as well. For your skin.

[Joanne McNally]

Did I tell you at the time? I came home and one of my family members, who I won't rat out, which one had. How do I say this diplomatically? Put on a couple of pounds, Right. And it was kind of noticeable. And they were. They weren't that. They weren't that happy about it.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah.

[Joanne McNally]

And I was like, well, why do you. I said, she, sorry. It was obviously my mother. I have a pretty small family, so I don't think I'm doing my best here to respect your privacy, but it was passion. So anyway, she goes, I don't know what I'm doing wrong. She said, all I'm doing is eating those protein bars. And I was like, what protein bars? So she was horsing these protein bars thinking that she was basically eating aubergines. I was like, mom, they're still like, I know protein is the buzz word, but they are. There's just still a chance. They are just a chocolate bar at the end of the day, just because they put protein on the front. She thought she was getting away with us. I was like, no, no, no. You're basically on five Mars bars a day.

[Vogue Williams]

There's. There's some things that will get you, though that you don't even realize. Amber was eating yogurts every day. She was having one of these yogurts. I was like, just taste that yogurt. Because she was obsessed with these yogurts. And I took one bite and I was like, hang on a second. That is way too nice. And it was over 400 calories for a yogurt.

[Joanne McNally]

I was like, it's one of those delicious, creamy ones. I know them. They're gorgeous. Yeah.

[Vogue Williams]

Stunning. You're like, this is healthy.

[Joanne McNally]

No, it's got protein in it, though. It's protein. It's a chipper.

[Vogue Williams]

There's these yogurts that do have protein that are good for you. What are they called? Arla. And they're like a yacht. You can get a yacht version with protein.

[Joanne McNally]

But they all. Every. All of them have. Because it's the buzz word. It was like when. It was like when gluten fell out of favor and everyone tried to cancel gluten. And so all these products that never had gluten in them in the first place were like, gluten free. Gluten Free. You never had gluten in you in the first place. Stop trying to get involved. They were trying to get involved and then everyone was like, oh, that's. That's healthy now because it's gluten free. It's like. It's a package, you know, it's crisps. She said, I don't know how many bags of crisps I ate yesterday. I was on one. I just had a. I had a gorgeous day.

[Vogue Williams]

How about, you're in Ireland?

[Joanne McNally]

I really treated myself. Really treated myself, really treated myself.

[Vogue Williams]

Was the tongue a bit sore after all the crisps? Do you ever get that when you eat so many crisps that your tongue actually hurts? Flavor of the crisp?

[Joanne McNally]

Not at all. Not sure. It's on the wine. I couldn't taste anything. It didn't matter. Can I. I have a complaint. And I love Ireland. I love Ireland. I'm an Irish person. My blood is green. Yes. I live in the uk. I have to go there for work. I also love the UK and anywhere else I'll be potentially gigging in the next three years. I also love you.

[Vogue Williams]

Anywhere that will pay us.

[Joanne McNally]

We also love you.

[Vogue Williams]

Thank you.

[Joanne McNally]

Anyone that pays me a salary or buy the tickets, I'm very much a fan of your land. Yeah, but the train experience. So I got the train from Dublin to Galway. Me and garage got it together. We were going to do a bit of work. We're gonna hang out, have a chat and a catch up. There is no trolley on the train anymore. The trolley is gone now. But the part of the crack of getting the train is this is to hear those wheels clacking up the aisle. I was only. We were halfway through the journey and the one was coming in, checking the tickets and I said, where's the trolley? She goes, there's no Charlie on the train. I was devastated because. Say what you want about the uk, but my God, they do a great train experience. They do. It's like Ireland, but you're selling your.

[Vogue Williams]

Firstborn child for a ticket in the uk. It's so expensive.

[Joanne McNally]

I would easily sell my firstborn child for three miniature gins on a train. The experience of it. I did the bulls of the trolley on the Rhine, the buzz, the trolley on flights. It's. You're. They can't drink on the trains anymore. It's like going to school. It's like going. It's like on a. It's like being on a school. I had more crack going to the planetarium at nine years of age than I had on that Train. And you know what as well? They were like, oh, I was three hours. Not a single bit of food, not a single bit of wine. And they were like, we're stopping in Athlone, we're stopping in Port Orange. And I said, we're not. We don't have time. I said, I don't have time for this. There's no trolley on the train. Keep me on this thing. Stopping at all the towns along the way. We're not stopping.

[Vogue Williams]

Is there no cafe?

[Joanne McNally]

Nothing. There's nothing.

[Vogue Williams]

Straight bar, though. That's not.

[Joanne McNally]

It's like Lent.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, but your ticket was probably 20 quid. Go to the shop before you get in the train. Right. I'd rather that.

[Joanne McNally]

I should have had an email from Aaron. Rod. Aaron, saying, by the way, Joanne, just a flag. There are no refreshments on this train. I would say there's prison cars with better hospitality than those in.

[Vogue Williams]

I. I'm sorry, I have to Google this, John, because I think it's against the law. Like, I'm not just saying that. I think that they literally have to offer you refreshments on a certain journey. Joe, check that. I think she's missed the book. I think. I think there's a cafe. There has to be folk.

[Joanne McNally]

I'm sorry, do you think that I would not have found the cafe? I nearly starved to death. I don't eat. And just as I got on the train, I had to eat immediately when I got off.

[Vogue Williams]

I only remember you from skipping around the trains in America. You were so happy.

[Joanne McNally]

I love trains.

[Vogue Williams]

Your little charcuterie, little box you had.

[Joanne McNally]

I love the train experience. I love ordering things and the. And the little kick out. I'm telling you, I like. I was shocked. I'd say prison vans are better. I'd say the Scissor Sisters went into the docus with a Kit Kat and a cup of tea in them. Honest to God, that they had gone from the court. There was not. There's nothing on those trains. It's a disgrace. I was saying, give me the trolley, I'll do it myself. I'll volunteer.

[Vogue Williams]

I'll move away from the mic so then I'm not breathing like Darth Vader on everyone as well. There's Vogue. It's disgusting. Anyway, I'm very sorry, Juan, you're on the wrong train because I'm seeing here it says Cork to Dublin. Oh, they have a full trolley Service starting on the 15th of May. Dublin to Belfast. Also have food. I'm not seeing anything about. Not seeing anything about.

[Unknown]

Apparently. Apparently it's seasonal.

[Joanne McNally]

Thirst and hunger is not seasonal. Joe. The one to have a good time is not seasonal. There was a group of women there. It was one of their 40th birthdays. And I know that because she bring a cowboy hat with 40 on it. And they were sitting there sober. And I was like, that is the saddest thing I've seen today. If that was. If that was anywhere any other country in the world, they'd be half caught on miniature Prosecco, as is their right.

[Vogue Williams]

I have to say, do you know what? You should have just gone to cowork and got a taxi to go, because the Cork train offers a full catering experience.

[Joanne McNally]

I should have, and I will in future, I can tell you now that.

[Vogue Williams]

Is quite shocking now, I have to say. That's surely against the law.

[Joanne McNally]

Do you need a license to drive a trolley? I'll do it. I'll do it. Do you know how much I respect that? Do you know the joy that that trolley brings to people? Would you know that? I know. I watch the trolley so much because that's shocking. On airplanes. I have decoded what I call the trolley dolly lingo. And I know trolley dolly is a. Is not a respectful term. I don't use cabin crew, but they do trolley dolly lingo. So when they've two trolleys, one coming in from one end and the other coming in from the other, they have to. They have a code that they speak to each other in so that they can ask each other for things, to send them up.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joanne McNally]

So when they point to their eye, they're looking for ice. When they hold up two products, the first product is the thing that they want, and the second product is the color of the thing that they want. So they hold up a little box of red Pringles, but they'll hold up a green can of Heineken. And now I know that one of them is looking for the other to bring up green Pringles. I watch it all. I've decoded it all. I'm telling you, if we go to World War iii, I'm going to be hired by the FBI. I'm bilingual. Yeah, I'm. I'm the enigma or whatever.

[Vogue Williams]

She's worked out. She's worked it out. That's all she needs to know I'm.

[Joanne McNally]

There to the girls down there, she's looking for green Pringles and ice. I know it all. I watch it all.

[Vogue Williams]

What about when they want to get the toasty? They always have to put a toasty on for somebody. They ask the people down the back all the time. They usually just point to the sandwich. In fairness.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, they point down.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, they do point at the sandwich.

[Joanne McNally]

That's a more obvious one.

[Vogue Williams]

I actually gotten that. I was on a flight there the other day and I'd forgotten to buy my mini bars of dairy milk because I always buy them before I leave Ireland because it tastes different. It does. It tastes different. It does. And I forgot to. And didn't. She was very kind. She sold me six, even though I know they don't have a lot of them on board. So I was thrilled with myself and.

[Joanne McNally]

Oh, that's very sweet.

[Vogue Williams]

So you basically, you, you, everyone else. I still have two left.

[Joanne McNally]

You don't have the best reputation when it comes to flying publicly.

[Vogue Williams]

That's never gonna go away.

[Joanne McNally]

Are you sure? Are you sure you want to go down the road of admitting that you basically bought them out of dairy milks? It's up to you. It's up to you.

[Vogue Williams]

There was a plan. There was a shitload of Kit Kats left, right. If you wanted chocolate, there was still some available. There just wasn't many dairy milks at the top of the plane, is all.

[Joanne McNally]

Well, yeah, well, if you want to starve to death, I recommend getting the train from Dublin to Galway.

[Vogue Williams]

Or I actually would recommend maybe popping into the shop just before you hop on the train and grabbing yourself a few refreshments because. Do you want. They have a water filling station on the train for you there, Joanna. You'd love that. Little water from the train. Go into the toilet and fill your water up.

[Joanne McNally]

At one point, girl was like, jiman, you have to stop talking about the trolley like it's a three hour journey. Like, we've given it a good hour now. Like, we need to stick a pin in this and move on with our lives. I just was. I was just so disappointed. And he can't drink on the trains. It's illegal. I mean, what.

[Vogue Williams]

Who said that?

[Joanne McNally]

Arles?

[Vogue Williams]

No, that has not come in. No.

[Joanne McNally]

Sorry. Do you know who you're talking to? Do you think that I wouldn't have. Just tapping away there again.

[Vogue Williams]

I don't. I don't drink on trains. But, like, I would like. My friends should be allowed to drink on track. That's terrible.

[Unknown]

Alcohol's not permitted on any Irish rail service.

[Joanne McNally]

Yes, there you go.

[Vogue Williams]

Let's come on. Alcohol is also not permitted on the streets of Ireland. When have you ever adhered to that?

[Joanne McNally]

And did you know what the UK give, They're always taking the piss out of Irish for drinking. I've never seen as much street train drinking as I have in London. It is wild. And I love to see it. I love to see it.

[Vogue Williams]

I'm like, yeah, real camaraderie to the train. It just does. Yeah, yeah.

[Joanne McNally]

Imagine that, that 40th party. Honest to God, I just. It was so sad.

[Vogue Williams]

Okay, here's. Here's your option. They privatize it and you're allowed to have booze and food and everything like that, but you're paying 400 quid a ticket to get Galway or they don't privatize it. You're only paying 30 quid to get. To go away.

[Joanne McNally]

I don't know what any of that means. What are you talking about?

[Vogue Williams]

The trains are privatized in the uk. That's why they could. They cost so much money. The government run the trains in Ireland and that's why there's no booze.

[Joanne McNally]

Oh, well, I'm sorry now. Sorry. Sorry. As someone. I am paying my taxes and I would like to see it go to something useful.

[Vogue Williams]

Forget about the potholes. Get the trolleys back.

[Joanne McNally]

The potholes are there anyway. The potholes are there anyway.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, so the government don't want to. Don't want to get the trolley in, but they'll spend 336,000€ on a bike shelter. And I wouldn't say this lightly. I could definitely build that for four grand. I could personally build that for four grand.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, and you'd have a better ass crack.

[Vogue Williams]

This is abs. Exactly. This is abs. It's not even fully sheltered. I'd have mine fully sheltered within the foreground budget.

[Joanne McNally]

I'm so glad I forgot about that story when I sat on the train starving today because the government just don't want us to have a good time. That's literally. They're like, you're not having a good time. After the next tour, when hopefully I've made back the money that I've spent on asos, I will do the trolley myself. I. I will do that trolley myself to bring some joy onto those trains.

[Vogue Williams]

Well, we appreciate that and we will hold you to it.

[Joanne McNally]

Okay, one speaker, Anthony. I won't make it about me. I'll just literally wheel it up and down and serve. Little minute. And I'll try and bring drinking back onto the trains. That's all.

[Vogue Williams]

You all heard it here first.

[Joanne McNally]

Joanne, I know we usually stay out of politics on this podcast. We like to just be a bit of escapism. We don't get serious. But I will be politically activated to bring drinking back in the trains and.

[Vogue Williams]

I think that's shocking. Like, when people are going to the races and stuff like that, what are they supposed to do? When people are going up, when people are going to court for their. People are going to Cork for a hen do, what are they supposed to do?

[Unknown]

It's not on.

[Vogue Williams]

God, it's not on. I'm sorry, but, like, we're choosing not to drink and drive. You're meant to drive so we can drink.

[Joanne McNally]

Exactly. I'll drive the trolley. That's what I'll do. I'm so. It's something to work towards.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, my God. We've just spent 35 minutes talking about the trolley. Let's move on. Come on. Other stuff happened in the week and not us.

[Joanne McNally]

That's. And do you know what? It deserves. It deserves more time. But I am aware that it's not everyone's priority, so I'm happy to move on now.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, actually, I'd love to discuss a bit of travel with you now that we're on the travel topic. Did you see? It's my worst. Because you know I don't like dead bodies. I know you two don't mind them. Joanne may be possibly a bit of a fan of one. I don't like them. I discriminate against them.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah. You're not into dead people. She never has been. She never has been.

[Vogue Williams]

I've tried. I've spent time with some of them. I don't want to.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, they're conversationalists. Let's be honest. They don't bring a lot to the table.

[Vogue Williams]

They don't smell fantastic either. They don't folk.

[Joanne McNally]

I'm not gonna get involved.

[Vogue Williams]

Okay. A couple. A couple are basically slagging everyone in the world because we're all going to end up there. Don't start getting scared.

[Joanne McNally]

Brian Johnson, apparently.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah. Yeah. I'd rather be dead than have to live that life. A couple were forced to sit next to a dead body on a plane for four hours after a woman died mid flight. They were coming from Australia to Qatar. Well, all I can say is, thank God it was only four hours because that is not a short flight. They had to sit beside her body for four hours.

[Joanne McNally]

Couple of questions.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, What?

[Joanne McNally]

Okay, I'm assuming this woman is not the first person to die on a plane. No, this makes sense to me because I was like, yeah, okay, let's unpack the options here. They could throw her in the overhead.

[Vogue Williams]

I'll tell. There's actually. There's There's. There's things that they do. I looked into it. The overhead is not one of them because, let's be honest, the overhead is always full. You're never going to get space in there.

[Joanne McNally]

If I thought I could lie down in a Ryanair flight, I'd pretend to be dead. If I thought they were going to put me in the overhead, that's a first class experience. Now, I would miss the trolley, so I. I'd have to. I'd wait till the Charlie went through and then I'd fake my own death to be laid out in the overhead so I could relax and then I'd come back to life when we landed.

[Vogue Williams]

So here we go. They say once someone is confirmed dead, the body's covered with the blanket. Fair enough. Sometimes in full view of the passengers, well, obviously, like, what are they going to do? And then they're stored in a cramped galley or behind a curtain until the plane lands. In 2024, 20 people died on a plane. Around 20 people. In 2018, a woman attacked. Oh, this was terrible, this story.

[Joanne McNally]

I actually think that's a really low amount of people. I mean, we're obviously not taking into consideration planes that crashed. So we're just talking about like, yeah, visuals who die.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, yeah. There's just individuals that die, my dear. Well, in 2018. Wait to hear this story. It reminds me of the post office story in Ireland. So a woman attempted to board a plane with her dead father in a wheelchair because. And she bought a boarding pass for him because she wanted to take him home to his own nation to claim his life insurance. So she's trying to drag her dead dad onto a plane. Like a. Kind of. A little bit. Makes sense. A little bit.

[Joanne McNally]

Of course it does. Get that daughter.

[Vogue Williams]

It's a bit disrespectful to the. A bit disrespectful.

[Joanne McNally]

It's not. He would want her to have that money.

[Vogue Williams]

If I die and you want to have my pension, I'll tell you what, you can drag my dead body wherever you need to. Okay.

[Joanne McNally]

And trust me, now that that's been confirmed, I absolutely will. So they won't know we have so much Botox anyway. They're like, oh, there's Fog Williams.

[Vogue Williams]

Exactly. She looks. Exactly. She's still got that shocked look on her face.

[Joanne McNally]

When the rigor marshall sets in, they'll be like, oh, she's gone too heavy on the fillers.

[Vogue Williams]

John, I don't know what you're talking about. We've spoken about Botox before. Right. I just Got my brows done. I've had.

[Joanne McNally]

We don't agree with us. I hate Grace.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah.

[Joanne McNally]

But when I read about your one dying of the plane, I was like, they're not going to put her in the cockpit. The lads will be like, she can't come in here, we're driving.

[Vogue Williams]

Like, I wouldn't want her anywhere near me. I wouldn't even want her, like, stuck in the galley.

[Joanne McNally]

I'd be like, ah, there's a spare dinner going. Remember I was saying that I got. Remember I asked for a second dinner on the plane from Cape Town and the cabin. Your woman's like, oh, and you're a second dinner, you little pig. Whereas if I. If there was a dead woman on a plane, I know she's not going to want her dinner, so I'll have it.

[Vogue Williams]

They probably. They could stuff her in a toilet.

[Joanne McNally]

Stand up in the bathroom.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, yeah. Well, they could sit her down. She could stand up or sit down, whichever she'd prefer.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, I. I mean, look, it's not. It's not the ideal flying experience, but people do die and people do fly and, you know, she. If you fly and die, there has to be a system in place. I wouldn't, I wouldn't mind sitting beside a dead body. I really wouldn't.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, no, I'd really.

[Joanne McNally]

I just shot away.

[Vogue Williams]

I remember, I. I know I told.

[Joanne McNally]

You that before, but I'm like, hold on, hold on. Can you hear that? That's the truth trolley. I can't talk to you anymore now. I'm distracted.

[Vogue Williams]

I'm so against dead bodies. Remember I told you that story? There was an Apache Pizza, which is the pizza shop in Ireland, and it was beside a funeral home and I was like, I cannot have pizza from that place because the, the dead body fumes will go into the pizza place and onto my pizza.

[Joanne McNally]

Probably the same oven. Do you know where the new up and coming place to go on holidays is, which I am going to go to this year?

[Vogue Williams]

Albania.

[Joanne McNally]

Yes. Did we talk about this?

[Unknown]

Oh, you accidentally text the group.

[Vogue Williams]

Dead people on a cruise. If you die on a cruise, they have a morgue, but like the ship could be out for weeks and they just keep your body in this morgue until they go back to. To dock.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah. I mean, yeah, court. Like, they're not going to turn the whole cruise around.

[Vogue Williams]

No, I know. Well, Joe, two to 300 people die on cruises a year, so. Do you know what? Don't go on cruises. Well, now when you think about it, and a cruise is an older generation that enjoys.

[Joanne McNally]

On my friend Audrey. I've never understood it. She's a young woman who loves the cruise. I was like, oh, gee, it just doesn't make any sense.

[Vogue Williams]

Well, I saw this cruise ship on tally and T was like, can we go? And I was like, like, yeah, we can go. It had this. It had a whole water park on the cruise ship.

[Joanne McNally]

I haven't thought about cruises in a while, but hacks, which I. I love. Yeah. Did you see the episode in season three where they went on the lesbian cruise? It was one of the funny. It was one of the funniest episodes of the whole series. And they got kicked off for when Deborah Vance, she gets booked to do this. She's. She's told it's a gay cruise and she's like, oh, the gays love me. And then it turns out it's a lesbian cruise. She's like, lesbians hate me. But she's already on. But she's already on the ship. But then she's having a really good time and then she gets kind of caught and then she the gig because she ends up doing all these like kind of old school, kind of like homophobic, like anti lesbian jokes because she thinks. She thinks she's kind of in the mix now. And they end up kicking. They kick her off the cruise, but Ava is. She's a lesbian, so she's having a really good time on the cruise and they give her a pill. So they kick the two of them off and they're being, they're being. They're going back to shore in this little dinghy and Ava starts coming up and she's like, I have to dance. It's one of the funniest episode of the whole three series. It is so funny. Oh, God. Anyway, yeah. Don't go on a cruise. You'll die. Is that the lesson?

[Unknown]

Yes.

[Vogue Williams]

No, I really want to go on a cruise now. I think that we should go on a cruise.

[Joanne McNally]

We should start a travel pod. All we do is talk about flying and drinking. That's all we talk about. Since you're the only topic to cover if you.

[Vogue Williams]

I saw Josie Gibson. She's on it. She's on this morning and I saw. She has a TV show and it's called My Five Star Travel Experience. I have never. I actually turned green when I saw it on Teddy. She's getting flown around the world first class and saying in all these, like, oh, this villa's 25 grand a night and she's just staying there on her own for the TV show.

[Joanne McNally]

Josie, you are a smart businesswoman for pitching that show. That's great. Can I. Can I pitch my luxury new home as something? Is that, like, something I could pitch? And then they just put me in a house and leave me there.

[Vogue Williams]

I'd like to be a runner on Josie's show, if possible. If there's any opening, surely I can pop myself on there.

[Joanne McNally]

So I had a moment the other day. I was looking at the Brits and the Oscars and I was like. I don't know if I just premenstrual or something, but I got. I was like, this looks like shit crack.

[Vogue Williams]

I kind of. I disagree with you and every. I actually was nearly gonna go to the Brits this year, and then I didn't. And then again, for like the 10th year in a row, I sat there looking at people being like, I should have gone.

[Joanne McNally]

You see, maybe I think maybe I'm not into it because I feel left out. I think if I was to really unpack myself, I'm like, am I just jealous that I'm not in the gang that goes to those kind of things?

[Vogue Williams]

I'm jealous. Could we create our own gang where we just go together?

[Joanne McNally]

But you were invited.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, but I just. I'm also lazy. And then I got jealous because I was lazy. Yeah, you're like, it's about. Because I can't. I have to get like a reading eyes out. But I feel really uncomfortable in those situations. But then I look at it, we'll go to the after party, the red.

[Joanne McNally]

The whole red carpet thing. I'd be like, are you gonna Paris that? I'd be like, I. I need to go. You can always tell some of the actors, actresses, singers, whatever, they've been taught how to pose. I would need that.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah.

[Joanne McNally]

I would need to go full My Fair Lady. I would need, like a week of training. Or I'd end up, like, doing the peace sign and sticking my tongue out like an idiot. You know what I mean? I would need to be taught how to pose and everything. And then the photos would send me over the edge because I'd be like, they're terrible. Blah, blah, blah. Yeah, it's not for me. I'm not even the expert. Danny Jungle.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, gosh.

[Joanne McNally]

Danny Mac Jungle More. Higgins and Danny McFly, who won the celebrity Jungle Gotcha. Were caught canoodling at the Brits. And he More is single, ready to mingle. But Danny is married with a family.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah. His wife is. His wife is so nice. Like, so lovely.

[Joanne McNally]

And we don't. We don't blame the other woman. It's not what we do. It's not the done thing. It's not cool. It's not on Moira. It's on Danny. But I was like, there's cameras. Even I know myself from just watching this play out in line. It's brazen. It was very, it was a very stupid thing to do.

[Vogue Williams]

I don't. Listen, it could have been just a stupid quick kiss. But like, honestly, the stupidity of not just him, of her as well. In the middle of, like the Brits after, it's like, oh, my God. Like, there couldn't be more press around and more people trying to. You over. I think it's a really, I feel, I feel so sorry for his wife because I'd say she just, I hope she's okay. Yeah. And she's so nice. And he was really nice. I don't know Maura personally, but like, I, I, I've, I've met him a few times and he's always been really lovely, his wife. It's just a sad situation.

[Joanne McNally]

Silly Billy's. Silly Billy's.

[Vogue Williams]

Silly Billy. Yeah.

[Joanne McNally]

Silly Billies.

[Vogue Williams]

Silly Billies. And I. Maybe I do want to.

[Joanne McNally]

Maybe I do want to go to the Brits.

[Vogue Williams]

I, I'll score you at the Brits. Let's do it. Get a bit of press.

[Joanne McNally]

Great for us. Maybe you could, maybe you could score Joe and then. No, no. Okay, sorry.

[Vogue Williams]

I want to score you. I want to score.

[Joanne McNally]

You've been trying to do that, You've been trying to that for ages. Anyway, you can, you can give me a little wear at the Brits.

[Vogue Williams]

Okay, we're going. We're going. Oh, my God. Let's do it. Right. We're saying it. What's the date? Oh, no. God. Will I back out of it? No, I'm going to the Brits. We're going to the Brits.

[Joanne McNally]

Well, I am very much not on the invitation list, so if you could get me in, that'd be great. And then I'll maybe do the trolley at the Oscars and I'll get us in that way.

[Vogue Williams]

Fantastic. And I think that you should wear those space boots that you got because they're very Brits. They're very Britsy.

[Joanne McNally]

They are, they are. They're. They're quite 90s Y2K Apple. Like when Jodie Marsh wore a belt around her too. It's iconic.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, my God. I'm gonna wear my Bantana. I'll wear my van. I already know what I'm wearing.

[Joanne McNally]

That's it for the main episode, Vogue. You have a book tour to promote. I have a stand up Tour to promote. Jamalmcnally.com for Pena file dates. Also going to Europe and I'm adding an extra Amsterdam and I'm adding an extra Apollo Folk Gorgia.

[Vogue Williams]

Okay, well I am gonna be in Vicar street in 26 May and I'm gonna be in Union Chapel in London on the 27th 7th of May. And all links are in my bio and also you can pre order my book in my bio. And I am by the way doing an audiobook so I'm starting to record that soon which is very exciting.

[Joanne McNally]

How are you going to contain your breathing? What are you going to do?

[Vogue Williams]

I'm going to. I'm going to sit way back from the mic.

[Joanne McNally]

Way back. Like in another room potentially.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, yeah. I'm just going to record from home and just use the microphone mic that's in the studio ages away.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, she's recording from Houth but the recording studio is in London.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, perfect. That should work. Thanks everyone.