School Nostalgia, Dancing & Crying On A Plane

Summary

Podcast Summary: "School Nostalgia, Dancing & Crying On A Plane"

Episode Release Date: May 16, 2025

Introduction

In this episode of "My Therapist Ghosted Me," hosts Joanne McNally and Vogue Williams delve into a blend of bizarre news stories, nostalgic school memories, personal anecdotes, and reflections on relationships and emotions. Their candid and humorous discussion offers listeners a heartfelt and entertaining experience, punctuated with memorable quotes and relatable experiences.

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1. Bizarre News Stories from Australia

The episode kicks off with Joanne and Vogue discussing sensational and strange news emerging from Australia.

Mushroom Trial Mishap

• Joanne McNally introduces the topic: “[00:02] Joanne McNally: ...one of the jurors was sacked from the mushroom trial.”
• The mushroom trial involves a woman allegedly accused of murdering family members by poisoning them with mushrooms she picked.
• Vogue Williams humorously adds, “[00:55] Vogue Williams: I’m gonna make you a beef Wellington when you come over.”
• They express disbelief and humor over the severity of the case, with Joanne admitting her inability to maintain confidentiality: “[01:03] Joanne McNally: I couldn’t keep it to myself at all.”

Woman Selling Dog-Regurgitated Human Toes

• Joanne continues with another odd story: “[01:35] Joanne McNally: Woman who planned to sell human toes regurgitated by dogs avoids jail...”
• Vogue reacts with shock: “[02:19] Vogue Williams: What?”
• The conversation highlights the absurdity of the situation, questioning the woman’s motives and sanity: “[02:33] Joanne McNally: ...trying to sell them as human toes.”

2. School Nostalgia

Shifting gears, the hosts reminisce about their school days, sharing humorous and relatable memories.

Chalk and Classroom Memories

• Vogue expresses her aversion to chalk: “[06:19] Vogue Williams: ...Chalk. I can’t touch it. I don’t like looking at people touching it.”
• Joanne recalls the unpleasant experience of banging chalk dusters: “[10:13] Joanne McNally: ...Loretta Dorky Primary School for sending me out on the regular covered in that chalky.”

School Lunches and Diets

• They discuss school lunch experiences, including bland meals and restrictive diets.
• Vogue shares her Special K phase: “[08:26] Vogue Williams: ...I was going through a phase of only eating half a bag of Special K...”
• Joanne humorously critiques the diet: “[08:46] Joanne McNally: ...no nutrition cardboard, no skinny milk and then you were allowed to have a cheese slice for dinner.”

Phobias and Personal Challenges

• Joanne opens up about her struggle with trypophobia: “[05:29] Joanne McNally: ...I get nauseous when I look at patterns like holes really close together. Trypophobia...”
• They discuss coping mechanisms, with Vogue suggesting: “[05:06] Joanne McNally: You have to go in and click not interested on all the stories.”

3. Dancing Experiences

The conversation transitions to their experiences and challenges with dancing.

Vogue’s Dance Ventures

• Vogue shares her enthusiasm and mishaps with dancing: “[25:22] Vogue Williams: ...we did a dance show together. He fell over a light and fell on his arse and I kept dancing.”
• They laugh about their lack of rhythm and the intensity of dance competitions: “[26:33] Joanne McNally: ...I wouldn't be able to do any of the Strictly Dancing or anything like that.”

Dancing in the Public Eye

• Vogue discusses her street dancing video and reluctance to have it widely shared: “[25:26] Vogue Williams: ...we met the street dancing one. Go watch me doing my dance to Rita Ora.”

4. Celebrity Encounters and Relationships

Joanne and Vogue delve into celebrity gossip and personal interactions with famous personalities.

Brooklyn Beckham and Nicola Peltz Fallout

• The hosts critique the media narrative surrounding Brooklyn Beckham and Nicola Peltz: “[19:22] Vogue Williams: Brooklyn Beckham and his wife, Nicola Peltz...”
• They discuss the portrayal of women as "home wreckers" in celebrity breakups: “[20:34] Joanne McNally: The narrative is always that men are thick as... women just guide them around like ferrets.”

Vogue’s Interaction with Rob Lowe

• Vogue recounts her attempt to send a personalized birthday message to Rob Lowe: “[32:50] Joanne McNally: She was like, I know that you…”

5. Birthday Reflections and Personal Emotions

The conversation takes a more introspective turn as they share personal feelings about birthdays and emotional experiences.

Handling Birthdays Differently

• Joanne admits her aversion to lavish birthday celebrations: “[28:19] Joanne McNally: ...I wouldn’t be a big party person. I also don’t like the pressure of inviting people because I don’t go to a lot of stuff myself.”
• Vogue explains her strategy of over-inviting to ensure a decent turnout: “[29:12] Joanne McNally: ...Overbook.”

Crying on a Plane

• Joanne shares a vulnerable moment of crying on a plane due to anxiety about her mother's aging: “[36:27] Joanne McNally: ...I've just really taken the charge on the whole thing.”
• Vogue offers support and suggests distractions: “[36:20] Vogue Williams: I’ll give you a book to help you come to terms.”

6. Book Release and Future Plans

The hosts briefly touch upon upcoming projects and book releases.

Vogue’s Book Launch

• Vogue Williams announces her book release: “[35:39] Vogue Williams: My book is out. It’s out on the 22nd, which is Tuesday.”

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Conclusion

Joanne McNally and Vogue Williams deliver a dynamic and heartfelt episode filled with laughter, vulnerability, and insightful commentary on both personal and public matters. From bizarre news tales to cherished school memories and personal emotional journeys, their authentic conversation resonates with listeners, offering both entertainment and comfort.

Notable Quotes:

• “I couldn’t keep it to myself at all.” — Joanne McNally [01:03]
• “Dogs will eat your knickers.” — Vogue Williams [04:18]
• “It’s better than eating my toes.” — Joanne McNally [04:28]
• “We are the only ones who will have you.” — Joanne McNally [17:27]
• “I'm taking all the attention away.” — Joanne McNally [23:24]

For more insights and to connect with the hosts, listeners are encouraged to email [e-mail] or visit mytherapistghostedme.com.

Transcript

[Joanne McNally]

This is a Global Player original podcast. Welcome to. My therapist ghosted me with myself, Joanne McNally and herself, Vogue Williams. Vogue Williams. Great news story. Australia is giving a lot of news at the moment. Between the. Between the mushroom story that we won't get into for legal reasons, but one of the jurors was sacked from the mushroom trial. From the mushroom trial for. If anyone doesn't know there's a trial going on in Australia at the moment. A woman is accused of murdering some of her family members by poisoning them. By poison them with mushrooms that she picked.

[Aaron Patterson]

Aaron Patterson.

[Joanne McNally]

Erin Patterson.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, that's desperate. What a desperate thing to do to.

[Joanne McNally]

Someone we don't know she did or not. Allegedly.

[Vogue Williams]

Allegedly.

[Joanne McNally]

Okay, fine, but there's another spongebob.

[Vogue Williams]

I'm gonna make you a beef Wellington when you come over.

[Joanne McNally]

I don't eat mushroom.

[Vogue Williams]

Do you know any mushrooms? I love an almond mushroom.

[Joanne McNally]

I do. Yeah. Oh, yeah. One of the jurors was sent off. He was sacked for talking about the trial with his family and friends. But I was like, I wouldn't last a day on a jury. I'd be coming here telling the story on the podcast.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah.

[Joanne McNally]

I couldn't keep it to myself at all.

[Vogue Williams]

There is probably a reason we've never been asked to be on a jury. We have got big mates. Yeah.

[Joanne McNally]

But there's another story coming out of Australia. Let me get this now. Woman who plans to sell human toes regurgitated by dogs avoid. Avoids jail Ill Mel. Woman who plans to sell human dogs.

[Vogue Williams]

Sorry, Human toes.

[Joanne McNally]

Sorry. Woman who planned to sell human toes regurgitated by dogs avoids jail in Melbourne court sentencing. Joanna Kathleen Kinman, 48, was working at an animal shelter when she found body parts of dog's owner who had died of natural causes. So someone died of natural causes. His dogs chewed his fucking toes off, swallowed them, then were put into a shelter and regurgitated them.

[Vogue Williams]

Who?

[Joanne McNally]

Now that, to me is. So this woman was trying to sell them on the Internet. Reckon she was gonna get. Guess how much she thought she was gonna get for the human tails? Regurgitated.

[Vogue Williams]

15 grand?

[Joanne McNally]

Nope.

[Vogue Williams]

20?

[Joanne McNally]

Nope.

[Vogue Williams]

Higher?

[Joanne McNally]

Nope. Way less.

[Vogue Williams]

1 grand.

[Joanne McNally]

$400.

[Vogue Williams]

What?

[Joanne McNally]

You wouldn't get two areas of Botox for that. Why would you buy $400? The dogs peed the towels up. Oh, my God. She took the towels, put them in a jar.

[Vogue Williams]

That's mad.

[Joanne McNally]

I know. Somehow got stung.

[Vogue Williams]

Jesus Christ.

[Joanne McNally]

The dogs have been surrendered to the shelter after the death of their owner. They keep saying he died of natural causes. The dog still ate him. Anyway, Which I find shocking. Is that just the deal? If you lie around a dog long enough, they just eat you.

[Vogue Williams]

So I will tell you one thing, right, Cats will eat you immediately. They don't even care if there's, like. If there's food left out for them, they'll go for you and they'll start in your nose straight away. Dogs will eat you if they're absolutely starving. Why would he go for the toes first, though? That's an unusual place to start, isn't it?

[Joanne McNally]

Imagine your dog swallowing your toes whole like an oyster. And to chew them, to bite them off full.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, God.

[Joanne McNally]

And then be able to regurgitate them whole to the point where this woman can sell them as human toes.

[Vogue Williams]

How insane is she? I'd be very concerned about her. Her mental health. Because taking toes home and trying to sell the toes, like, one thing, it's one thing, keeping the toes for your own personal, like, collection.

[Joanne McNally]

I know.

[Vogue Williams]

To look at your little freak shelf. Yeah, yeah. This is weird. But then going to sell the toes, that's. The selling's a bit much for me.

[Joanne McNally]

Later, during a phone call with her daughter, Kinman discussed how she planned to sell the toes online and said research suggested she could get as much as $400. Police subsequently arrived at Lily Dell home after a tip off from an unknown source. She made full admissions to possessing the remains and intended to sell them online. She showed the police for the jar with the dogs was located beside other oddities, including an alligator claw, a bird skull, a guinea pig trotter and her children's teeth.

[Vogue Williams]

She should have just kept. She should have just. This act. Weird stuff, obviously.

[Joanne McNally]

She was obviously going, I can make a couple of quid off this. So my pray. I'm praying that Winnie eats your knickers before you die and I'll sell them online.

[Vogue Williams]

God, that's absolutely revolting.

[Joanne McNally]

Or, Bertie, which one's the younger?

[Vogue Williams]

She would eat the knickers.

[Joanne McNally]

Do you remember that story? I told it before, but it still makes me laugh. When I was.

[Vogue Williams]

Dogs will eat your knickers. All knickers. Dogs will eat the knickers and sometimes they'll just eat the crotch of the knickers.

[Joanne McNally]

Well, that was the story.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah. It's grim. They're grim. Oh, God. It's better than eating my toes.

[Joanne McNally]

I was in bed with all the knickers you want. I was in bed with the man and we were. Oh, no, I was in bed with. I was in bed with my boyfriend at the time. We were having an afternoon ride, as is Our right.

[Vogue Williams]

God, how glamorous. Are you an afternoon delight? I know. Yeah.

[Joanne McNally]

I was wearing a thong. And when I looked down the side of the bed after the. His dog had eaten the crotch out of the knickers, it was just a bit. This bit of string there.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, my God.

[Joanne McNally]

I know.

[Vogue Williams]

That's horrendous.

[Joanne McNally]

I know.

[Vogue Williams]

Guys, how do I change my algorithm? Like, I'm. I'm at a point now where if people open my phone when I'm not looking, it's really strange.

[Joanne McNally]

You have to go in and click not interested on all the stories.

[Vogue Williams]

Okay. Because it's just a lot of just gross stuff.

[Aaron Patterson]

Just go down and click on all the stuff you're actually not interested in. Like pictures of steam trains. Click on all of that stuff and then it will think you like steam train.

[Joanne McNally]

I had a similar situation where I feel nauseous when I look at patterns like holes really close together. Trypophobia or something. Joe, can you fact check?

[Vogue Williams]

My people don't like when they see holes. Like loads of holes.

[Joanne McNally]

Makes me get sick.

[Vogue Williams]

It is a bit gross.

[Joanne McNally]

Kendall Jenner has it as well, so I'm in good company. Apparently it's something to do with kind of your cave hun.

[Aaron Patterson]

Tripophobia.

[Joanne McNally]

Tripophobia, your cave hun. That. It's to keep you away from poisonous plants. So the. The, like. Anything patterned like that close together makes me actually feel physically sick. I used to have nightmares about potatoes sprouting or that I'd be having.

[Vogue Williams]

That's a big room.

[Joanne McNally]

Or there was a friend of mine, Orla has it as well. She used to have nightmares about kidney beans coming out her skin.

[Vogue Williams]

So. Can you eat kidney beans?

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just can't look at holes close together. Those sea urchins and stuff, anything like that. But then it's. I do exposure therapy where I look at it for ages and the nausea.

[Vogue Williams]

Kind of passes transducer and exposure therapy on itself.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah. So I can be in a room with a potato, basically.

[Vogue Williams]

Do you know. And you need to be.

[Joanne McNally]

Holy potato. Anything like that.

[Vogue Williams]

I. One thing that I actually can't stand, that I realized when we were doing. And I didn't know how much I hated it. Chalk. I can't touch it. I don't like looking at people touching it. Or I don't like drawing with it. I don't like chalk.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah. Did you in school, did you. Were you given the job of going down and banging the dusters?

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, my God, I remember that job.

[Joanne McNally]

Remember banging the dusters? Everyone was dying for that job during your time.

[Aaron Patterson]

Like black chalk. Blackboard.

[Joanne McNally]

That's how old I am. Like a Victorian child.

[Aaron Patterson]

We were what, by the time I got there.

[Joanne McNally]

Oh, my God, you're so hip.

[Vogue Williams]

What age are you?

[Aaron Patterson]

I'll be 34 this year.

[Vogue Williams]

God, really? When did chalkboards go out there?

[Joanne McNally]

I don't know.

[Vogue Williams]

Just before I got to school.

[Joanne McNally]

I'm turned 42. You're. Now you're looking down the barrel of 40 now. All the kids are using iPads and all. It's a string. It's a string joke and a slap around the ear.

[Vogue Williams]

I do remember when. Do you remember ecdl? When the computer studies came in and we got to go to computer.

[Joanne McNally]

No.

[Vogue Williams]

You don't remember that? Oh, my God, I love that.

[Joanne McNally]

Well, I. I'm a couple of years you. We were just like. We were kind of just wheeled in huge. These huge televisions.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, I love.

[Joanne McNally]

And forced to watch Forrest Gump for religion.

[Vogue Williams]

Sorry.

[Joanne McNally]

Do you remember what education that gave us? I have no idea.

[Vogue Williams]

I think that's a good education. Forrest Gumps is a lovely movie because.

[Joanne McNally]

The teacher was on a jolly.

[Vogue Williams]

I remember. Do you remember when you can get those watches that had TV switches. Remotes on them? And we used to. When the tv. When we. You'd have the TV roll in. I remember that. And we'd all turn it off.

[Joanne McNally]

The Casio calculator watches. Yeah. And another thing. I have to. Oh, my God, I have to. This is. I'm. I've gone straight down.

[Vogue Williams]

This is so nostalgic. I love this.

[Joanne McNally]

I've gone straight down nostalgia line.

[Vogue Williams]

What did you have for lunch in school?

[Joanne McNally]

Oh, great question.

[Vogue Williams]

Well, our canteen was desperate and I feel bad saying that because one of my. Megan, my friend knows the canteen lady's still there.

[Joanne McNally]

Sorry, you did canteen? I didn't realize you were raised in the uk.

[Vogue Williams]

Sorry, when I say canteen, it was a buttered roll or a plain roll.

[Joanne McNally]

Oh, you had a shop and then.

[Vogue Williams]

You put your crisps in the buttered roll.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, when we got to. When we got to. The older girls had like a can't. Like a kitchen room, but just had a microwave in it and a kettle. But that was the sixth years. Got that. So they were allowed to have pot noodles and all. It was very chic.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, and six years I was going through a phase of only eating half a bag of Special K, so that's all I have.

[Joanne McNally]

The Special K diet. I mean, who. Who didn't benefit from that nutritious life lesson? Handy for Special K the special guy. Two bowls of no nutrition cardboard, no skinny milk and then you were allowed to have a cheese slice for dinner.

[Vogue Williams]

But if you look at. So you know the way you'd have like Coca or something at the weekend because they'd be like a really big. In fairness, I have to be honest, I was out of Cocoa Pops whenever I wanted. But like this morning she was.

[Joanne McNally]

Sandra was a hands off mom. We know that.

[Vogue Williams]

She really was. I said to Sven today, team was like was I a big baby? And Sven was like yeah, nine pounds. And I was like wow, I can't believe you remember that. He was like what do you mean he's my son. I was like. I asked my mom what I weighed and she said are you joking me?

[Joanne McNally]

She wouldn't know.

[Vogue Williams]

She wouldn't know what I weighed or I wanted to do the thing where you got your stars done from when you were born. And I asked her what time I was born and she said are you off cotton picking tree?

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah.

[Vogue Williams]

I was like oh sorry mom. You might remember something about my gorgeous birth.

[Joanne McNally]

I do think there's two. There's different types of parents though. There's the ones that have their star charts and their child's like they know she always adopted. She'd even bother her hell giving birth.

[Vogue Williams]

I actually forgot about that.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, pots like I'll collect her when she's 18 months old. Let someone else do the heavy lifting. You know they used to do that back in like Victorian that they used to send their kids off to to get like raised and party trained and all that. And then they come back when they.

[Vogue Williams]

Were three like a puppy.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, that'd be great, isn't it? I mean that's very much what my mothering style would be and very much what Pat's was.

[Vogue Williams]

I don't think that wasn't Pat. I'd say Pat was a full on mom.

[Joanne McNally]

Ah yeah. Once we arrived she was very hands on. Sorry.

[Vogue Williams]

Back to the.

[Joanne McNally]

Back to where this all began. School banging the chalk dusters. She'd be sent out. This was a blackboard, Joe. It was before computers.

[Aaron Patterson]

I have seen them in sort of olden times pictures.

[Joanne McNally]

Olden times times pictures. Yeah.

[Vogue Williams]

It's been bad for us to be banging those things though.

[Joanne McNally]

It was like being covered in. What's that stuff that they are always suing for when it gets released us. I'm sure there's a legal case to take against Loretta Dorky Primary School for sending me out on the regular covered in that chalky especially Loretta darkie Primary school as well. Yeah, but that was public. Or is in private over here. Very confusing. It's all strange over here. It was like. It wasn't fein.

[Vogue Williams]

It wasn't fei.

[Joanne McNally]

No, the primary wasn't. And then we had boys up to first class and then they got rid of them.

[Vogue Williams]

Only up to first class. Yeah, I like that.

[Joanne McNally]

And they were sent in the Harolds.

[Vogue Williams]

I like that the kids are in a mixed school.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, I think so too, because we got. We turned it, like. No, no, I don't actually know. Sorry, I forgot. I don't agree.

[Aaron Patterson]

I forgot.

[Joanne McNally]

I forgot. I forgot my. I forgot my opinion on that.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, well, I'm talking about primary school.

[Joanne McNally]

Oh, yeah, primary. But if the studies show that girls do better in all girl skills because they're not as concerned with.

[Vogue Williams]

With the way they look.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah. And trying to play dumb in front of boys. Whereas boys perform well in both because they don't give a. It's cool for a boy to be smart. Whereas girls tend to dumb themselves down. Not always. But I was glad that I had no distractions because I was so boy mad. Like, I'd walk into a lamppost if one passed me in the street. So there was no hope for me if I was sitting a class. I don't think I was.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah. I don't think I was that interested in them till I was slightly older. Probably because they weren't very interested in me.

[Joanne McNally]

Oh, it didn't matter. None of them were interested in me. It didn't matter. That didn't matter. I was the one that. They'd go up and ask if they could shift my friend. Do you know what I mean? They'd be coming towards me and I'd be like, here we go.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, no.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah. Flicking my nipples, getting ready. And then they'd be like, did you ever get Sinead Meet me?

[Vogue Williams]

Did you ever get dumped by someone when they're like 20 meters away and they're looking at you and their friend came over to dump you and you'd be like, yeah.

[Joanne McNally]

Could you not have taken the 12 steps?

[Vogue Williams]

And you're trying not to look at them being like, yeah, fine.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah. You're like. I was gonna. I was literally just about to do it myself.

[Vogue Williams]

That's fine. I'm glad. I'm glad you. I'm glad you did it first.

[Joanne McNally]

I didn't want to hurt you. I remember breaking up with one of my. I. I had more men as a child, which is a. Doesn't sound right at all. I had more partners Before I was 12 years of age than I've ever had since I had a boyfriend every second week.

[Vogue Williams]

When did you first start noticing boys?

[Joanne McNally]

Oh, straight out the gap.

[Vogue Williams]

Really? Yeah, because T, for the first time, right, we were at this party the other day in the park, and there was. His class was there, but then the older sister was there. And all of a sudden, because I didn't recognize her because obviously I only know the kids in his class. And so this little girl, gorgeous little girl, really long hair. T is like literally her shadow for the whole time, following around the park. And I'm like, who's this girl? Is she part of the party? And then I met the mom. She goes, oh, yeah, that's. That's the older sister. And T goes to me the other day, he was like, can I have a play date? And I was like, I know exactly where going. And he was like, can I have a play date with blah from the party? And I was like, well, no, we're trying to have play dates with people from the class at the moment because we want to just have people the next day, the next day, the next day. He's like, can I have a play date with the brother? And I was like, oh, smart. And he goes, and if the sister wants to come too, she can, but, like, I want to have the play date with the brother. So now the two of them are going over today, and he's absolutely delighted.

[Joanne McNally]

Theodore's into older women. I love this. For him, it'll be me next.

[Vogue Williams]

Anyone? It will be anyone older.

[Joanne McNally]

I'm very popular with the younger men.

[Vogue Williams]

Anyone else? I'm waving at this girl. She must have been 11 today. I was like, who's that? Who is that?

[Joanne McNally]

What age is he now?

[Vogue Williams]

Six.

[Joanne McNally]

Oh, my God.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh. He's very taken with the older ones now. He feels really cool when he's, like, hanging out with another person.

[Joanne McNally]

I remember that as well, like, because you don't. Well, I suppose he does. He's in a mixed school. But when I was younger, you don't have access to that many members of the opposite sex. If you're a straight kid, baby. And if you're gay, baby, you're flying. If you're in a. You're in a single sex girl, but.

[Vogue Williams]

It'S a straight baby.

[Joanne McNally]

Straight baby. You're kind of stuck for choices. So, like, you know you have crushes on your cousins and all because they're like, they're the only ones you've access to. I had a massive crush on Pat Kenny, which I've spoken about here. I've spoken about on this podcast several times, folks, several times. Because he was. He presented the Late Late show in Ireland. And to me, that was a powerful position. So I'd sit there drooling at this man. I could have been nine years of age.

[Vogue Williams]

My auntie's really good. Sharon's really good friends with him.

[Joanne McNally]

I'm sure I've met. I've met him.

[Aaron Patterson]

She's only 77.

[Vogue Williams]

You're the captain of the Titanic. I'm first on the lifeboat. Sorry, I am.

[Joanne McNally]

So you'd have to prove yourself with those hands.

[Vogue Williams]

Man or woman, whatever. No, no, no.

[Joanne McNally]

You're supposed to be up putting women on the boat.

[Vogue Williams]

No, no, I'm going before anyone. I'll know. I'll know what's happening to the boat. I'll be off on my own. I have fallen head over heels in love with someone. I offered him up to you. You declined.

[Aaron Patterson]

Oh, I know who.

[Vogue Williams]

No, not Pierce Brosnan. Have you seen his Irish accent in that show? I can't.

[Joanne McNally]

How could an Irish man up an Irish accent?

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, no, it's like, it's way too long. It's not good.

[Joanne McNally]

He's taking too much soup. Is that what it is? They say you're taking the soup? Yeah, for the. During the famine and all. It was like if you were fed by the English, you were kind of letting yourself down. I think that's it. Also, they say if you come to the uk, you have to lose the Mac in your name, like, so I should just be Joanne Nally now.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, wow.

[Joanne McNally]

Because the Mac is the Irish place. Don't quote me on any of this.

[Aaron Patterson]

If we've been making this podcast for four years. Have you taken the soup?

[Joanne McNally]

Oh, we've taken this.

[Vogue Williams]

Let me tell you what, I would.

[Joanne McNally]

Take the soup on the mains.

[Vogue Williams]

Anyway, My crush, sorry, Kevin Costner. I've started watching Yellowstone.

[Joanne McNally]

Oh, yeah?

[Vogue Williams]

Do you watch Yellowstone?

[Joanne McNally]

No.

[Vogue Williams]

You? Kevin Costner in the gilet. He's got the popped collar.

[Joanne McNally]

I love a gile. Love a man in a G leg.

[Vogue Williams]

Well, the cowboy hat. Spencer's like, shut up. The other night, I was like, now, honestly, do you think if. Just one question. And he's like, if you're going to ask me about Kevin Costner again. And I'm like, I am. Do you think Kevin Costner would fancy me? And he was like, yeah. And it made me so happy.

[Joanne McNally]

I'd say he definitely was. I think.

[Vogue Williams]

I think I could get him.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah. I'd say that man's got game. I And He's. If he's 77. No, sorry, that was.

[Vogue Williams]

How old is, how old is Kevin Costner? He was topless in the show the other night and I was like, whoa, 70. 70. He's only a spring 70.

[Joanne McNally]

And you're kind of 40 now. You're, you'd be like young on to him. Yeah, yeah.

[Vogue Williams]

Tell me about your birthday, please.

[Joanne McNally]

Oh, my birthday. 1 of 42 now, as I said, as I keep saying, 42. 42. I'm funny about birthdays.

[Vogue Williams]

Two years since your 40th. I don't understand that because remember we were talking about your 40th.

[Joanne McNally]

We're doing this four years now. Five years. Four. Four years we're doing this.

[Vogue Williams]

God, how have we not believe that? How have we not killed each other?

[Joanne McNally]

Four years since I spread fake tan on you in your bedroom and your little light bulb head went off and went. I think there's a business in this.

[Vogue Williams]

I think we'll get on very well together.

[Joanne McNally]

Four years we're doing this podcast, Vogue, and we're both still alive.

[Vogue Williams]

I know, it's really incredible. Joe's. We've not hanging on by a thread, but he's still there.

[Joanne McNally]

Joe's quit several times. We always get him back. It's always storm and I turn tanties. We're like, joe, get back in here. No one else fancy, mate.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, yeah, whatever, Joe.

[Joanne McNally]

We're the only ones will have you. I know. Do you know what, folk? We've navigated all sorts, haven't we?

[Vogue Williams]

Like what?

[Joanne McNally]

Tours and. Yes, tours, scandals, contracts.

[Vogue Williams]

Why is it always me in the scandal? It's always me.

[Joanne McNally]

Well, I know. I, I, I like to keep a little poly. It's not like I'm intentionally keeping a low profile. I just have, I just have one.

[Vogue Williams]

I'm, I'm gonna, I'm gonna get you a scandal this year. I've decided I wouldn't mind a bit.

[Joanne McNally]

Of a scandal now. Just.

[Vogue Williams]

No, I'm gonna get you quite a big one. To be honest.

[Joanne McNally]

It' disappoint. I didn't get Celebrity Traders, so I'm in the market for a scandal.

[Vogue Williams]

I was disappointed. Well, I wasn't. I didn't really think I'd get that. But I really wanted.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, I was kind if there was chat.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, God, I'm jealous of that. That is like. That's gonna be such.

[Joanne McNally]

I would have loved it. It's very rare. I'm not, I don't do much telly, really. I'm not in the telly. I'm not in the. I'm not in the telly circles, but I. When there was a bit of chat about that, I was like, oh, yeah.

[Vogue Williams]

I think I would have been really shy around you if you'd done it because I would have just become such a mega fan then. And I wouldn't it as well to.

[Joanne McNally]

Take something for you to respect me.

[Vogue Williams]

No, I'll fancy you when I see you at your show.

[Joanne McNally]

Thank you.

[Vogue Williams]

That's when I'll fancy you again.

[Joanne McNally]

You be J writing up. She do. She's like a neuter dog pumping my leg after the show. Please show yourself.

[Vogue Williams]

Scratching at the dressing room door. Are you ready? Are you ready? Are you ready?

[Joanne McNally]

Lipstick popping out. Not the dog.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, yeah. I'm going to get you a scandal. I'm sick of being the one that has the scandals. But do you know what I. I. Do you remember I said to you, I was like, I. I kind of can't wait t move on to the next person. Which is a terrible thing to say, but they always do. Who's the next person in the UK or in America?

[Joanne McNally]

In the States?

[Vogue Williams]

In the uk.

[Joanne McNally]

Oh, I don't know. Who's the next person?

[Vogue Williams]

Brooklyn Beckham and his wife.

[Joanne McNally]

Oh, I have seen this. Yes.

[Vogue Williams]

Brooklyn Beckham and his wife, Nicola Peltz. It said that they've fallen out with the family. He didn't go to David Beckham's 50th birthday. And I do think that there's probably truth behind that, that they've had a bit of a family fallout. But I do find it fascinating to watch what the press do around them. Like, all of a sudden, Nicola Peltz is the Wicked Witch of the east. That's pulled. She's. She's. What would you say?

[Joanne McNally]

Home wrecker.

[Vogue Williams]

She's like a home wrecker. She took Brooklyn Beckham from his family and her. That was her plan all along. And it's just like, do you know what? It's just. Why is it always the woman. She's pulled a Megan Markle. They've said she pulled. Her whole intention was to pull him away from his family. Nobody knows what they're fighting about.

[Joanne McNally]

I know they.

[Vogue Williams]

I think they're definitely fighting, but they don't. We don't know what they're fighting about. But I just find it really funny how it's always a woman. Why is it her, her? And also, they can't really say, oh, she only married him for money, or she only married him for this and that, because her dad is a billionaire. Her dad is Richer than the Beckhams.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah. The narrative is always that men are thick as. And they don't know anything and they can't make any decisions. They have no autonomy, they have no mental independence. And that women just guide them round like ferrets.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah.

[Joanne McNally]

And that they don't make any decisions for themselves. And that we're there with our cauldron. Yeah. And our Ouija boards.

[Vogue Williams]

Exactly.

[Joanne McNally]

And are one of those dolls that you stick the sticks in. Voodoo dolls, making all the decisions.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah. And that carrying them against their family just for your own gain.

[Joanne McNally]

Just lead them off like they're just pets, like little goats. Like farm goats.

[Vogue Williams]

This narrative has kind of been going on quite a long time between them, though, as well, because he. When he moved to America, by the way.

[Joanne McNally]

There is truth to that, Truth to us. We are. We do guide them around a bit. They are. Sometimes they are.

[Vogue Williams]

You have to guide them slightly, but it doesn't mean you're. You're not pulling them away from. We're not pulling them away from your family. So I don't know. And even with the Megan Markle stuff.

[Joanne McNally]

But we are more formidable, I would say.

[Vogue Williams]

I. But like, with the Megan Markle stuff, it's like, okay, it's just easy. Of course, she's not everybody's cup of tea, but it's easy to say that she is the one that's, like, dragging. But Prince Harry's going on TV and he is saying some mad. And she's not there behind him, controlling him like a ventriloquist. He's doing on himself.

[Joanne McNally]

If she does have power, she needs to tell him, stop wearing that cowboy hat at the Carter Tour, because that was not a good choice for him. If she has any sway, Megan, if you listen, please step in. If you have the power. We think you do. Prince Harry in a cowboy hat. It was too much for me, you.

[Vogue Williams]

Know, it was a bit funky, you'd say about him, because he's really uncool. So it's like, oh, wow, look, Prince Harry looks funky.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a bit funky. Yeah, exactly. Funky's like the term my mom uses for runners that have big shoelaces. Yeah, they're very funky. Yeah, but you. Did you hear that? Nicola and Brooklyn. Brooklyn and Megan.

[Vogue Williams]

He takes fantastic pictures. Have you ever seen his book, Harry?

[Joanne McNally]

God love him. This is what happens when your parents are billionaires. Nicola and Brooklyn and Megan and Harry are all having dinner together now because Megan and Nicola are like this shared experience of being. Being kind of cast out From a family or being accused of stealing a man from his own family. So they're all having dinner in LA together with Harry's cowboy hat. That's what I heard, honestly. They're serving canapes out of the house and they're having nibbles. Picky bits out of the house.

[Vogue Williams]

Made a big nachos, friend.

[Joanne McNally]

The guac's in the hot guards. If you want the guac, it's on the patio. It's in the cowboy house. Yeah. Mari just won't let that thing go. Absolutely love it.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah. I just find the whole thing just now, in fairness, I don't like, keep doing it that way. I like that they're the narrative at the moment. I don't want the narrative so bad.

[Joanne McNally]

Isn't it terrible, though, because you're like, you see, you, you. We don't want it, we don't want this. We don't want any attention on ourselves in that way. But we're happy to read about negative attention towards someone else. I know we're part of the problem, Joe. We're part of the problem.

[Vogue Williams]

I'll be honest, I only read the headlines and as I said, that's just for time. But that's like, like the, it's, it's the clickbaity stuff that is like. And then you could read something. It's like, hang on, that's got absolutely nothing to do with that.

[Joanne McNally]

Katy Perry had a good moment this week. She really.

[Vogue Williams]

I've only seen the bad dancing.

[Joanne McNally]

She really needs one. Katy Perry. And I was like, yes. Go, Katie.

[Vogue Williams]

Can I just say one thing? I, I just. It's, it's nice to see her on stage dancing like that. Because as somebody who also can't dance, I like that. You don't always have to be the best.

[Joanne McNally]

No, exactly. And Katy Perry was never a dancer.

[Vogue Williams]

No, she's a great singer and I.

[Joanne McNally]

Like her singers and she's a great performer and she's a great entertainer.

[Vogue Williams]

Entertainer, yes.

[Joanne McNally]

So anyway, she was doing this sold out arena show in Chicago. Sold out people coming in from the rafters. And she was like, oh, and they tell me I'm the most hated person on the Internet. And everyone clapped and whooped and cheered. And I thought, yes, Katie. Because she's, she's, she was like, when the Internet decides to make you a human pinata.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, God, yeah.

[Joanne McNally]

You sense love back. Because the Internet is full of unhealed and hurt people. And I was like, it's true. And when I don't know how she's coping with it. I mean, obviously there's bigger shit going on in the world, but I think to get that much hate, I just thought it was so nice that physically, tangibly, she had a big sellout show. People were clapping and loving her work and she acknowledged it and she's like, I'm supposed to be the most hated person on the Internet, but you're all here and isn't this a lovely event? And I said, said, go, Kylie.

[Vogue Williams]

I'd say when you look at people.

[Joanne McNally]

Like that, maybe take a dance class in an afternoon, don't get full time.

[Vogue Williams]

Have you seen how much dancing I've done? And I'm still.

[Joanne McNally]

How much dancing have you done? You did a crash course.

[Vogue Williams]

I don't know. I used to do dancing when I was growing up. Honestly, I've just. I've actually got no excuse. It's just some people can't dance, some people can't.

[Joanne McNally]

I don't have.

[Aaron Patterson]

You haven't seen that street dancing video that you.

[Joanne McNally]

They're always trapping into with base.

[Aaron Patterson]

We need to see that.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, I wish. Well, well, the problem is that was with my ex partner, so I don't really want everyone to start spreading that around again. Although actually, if anyone wants to, I do really go dancing a lot. What?

[Aaron Patterson]

No, I mean when you was a kid.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, sorry. Oh, take that back. Yeah.

[Joanne McNally]

What do you mean?

[Vogue Williams]

On the Internet? Me and my ex husband used to do. We did a dance show together.

[Joanne McNally]

Oh, sorry. Yeah. No, no, we met the street dancing one.

[Vogue Williams]

Go watch. Go watch me doing my dance to Rita Ora. He fell over a light and fell on his arse and I kept dancing. And my dancing in that is brilliant. Brilliant. Dancing, dancing. I'm doing head rolls and everything.

[Joanne McNally]

Really.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, yeah. Whipping my hair out.

[Joanne McNally]

I don't imagine I'd have a huge amount of rhythm either. Now, to be fair, I can. I can rave. I can do the 90s dance things like packing the shelves and smacking the fish.

[Vogue Williams]

I wouldn't know what you're good at, honestly, because you surprise me all the time with things.

[Joanne McNally]

I wouldn't be able to do any of the Strictly Dancing or anything like that.

[Vogue Williams]

It's really. It's like. I think that. I think they always choose somebody as well, from the strict. From the Christmas special to do it because I don't think people realize how intense it is. So, yeah, you have a minimum amount of hours of dancing. You have to do a week, which is like 12. You're never going to learn the whole dance and do well in 12 hours. So you have to, like. People are doing, like, 50 hours a week and stuff like that because you want to do well. You kind of get into the vibe of the competition.

[Joanne McNally]

I would also cheat.

[Vogue Williams]

I do. You just can't. I cheat?

[Joanne McNally]

No, I would. I'd go if I got booked to do it. And I don't. I don't want to do it because I can't dance. And it's not. It's not for me. It's just not for me. I wouldn't enjoy it. But if I did decide to do it and I was offered it, I would go to, like, Mexico and literally train as a Cuban dancer for six months, then come back and.

[Vogue Williams]

For six months? I mean, that's a lot of work for the show, isn't it?

[Joanne McNally]

Well, yeah, maybe I just. Okay, I do a weekend. I do a weekend dance off in London.

[Vogue Williams]

Who's competitive? Joe, we're going to Wimbledon. Do you want to know?

[Joanne McNally]

I'm gonna go full tennis if going.

[Aaron Patterson]

To Wimbledon isn't taking the soup.

[Joanne McNally]

Excuse me. Excuse me, else. Joe.

[Vogue Williams]

Pardon.

[Joanne McNally]

How dare you? Absolute.

[Vogue Williams]

I know.

[Joanne McNally]

Just another little plug for myself. I've had an extra Amsterdam. There's still tickets to Berlin, Stockholm, Copenhagen, Oslo.

[Vogue Williams]

They actually had someone mail me about getting you to go on the piss with them in Stockholm. And I was like, I don't know if she's gonna do that. She might be busy after the show.

[Joanne McNally]

I don't think I'll be busy.

[Vogue Williams]

I think you're gonna go. You're gonna go on the piss with the audiences in those. In the European cities. The parents are small enough.

[Joanne McNally]

You go to them. The pits of the audience.

[Vogue Williams]

Tell me about your birthday. What did you do?

[Joanne McNally]

My birthday? So I'm funny about. Not funny about my birthday, but I. I do. You know, people go heavy on their birthday. It's like, we all have one. Do you know when people go really heavy on their birthday?

[Vogue Williams]

Like, to be honest with you, I'm gonna have a few birthdays this year.

[Joanne McNally]

But it's your 40th.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, I mean, I do. And then I'll stop again.

[Joanne McNally]

Like, I would date with a guy once who had, like, a grown man who had a birthday week. He'd have a whole week.

[Vogue Williams]

Some people have a birthday week.

[Joanne McNally]

I'm like, you're in your 40s.

[Vogue Williams]

I know. Somebody's like, oh, start of my birthday month. I'm like, no, no, no.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah. No birthday. Come on. We all have birthdays.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah. Sorry.

[Joanne McNally]

Come on. You know, it's not like a.

[Vogue Williams]

Stop enjoying life that much.

[Joanne McNally]

Stop enjoying yourself.

[Vogue Williams]

Excuse you. Stop enjoying another day.

[Joanne McNally]

Stop enjoying your existence too much. Actually celebrating yourself so much. So I never really have birthday parties or anything. Like, I don't think I've ever had a birthday party. Not since I was about 9 or 10.

[Vogue Williams]

Well, I've been to a couple of your parties. Come on, we went out for dinner and stuff like that. For your birthday?

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Vogue Williams]

But it'd be little things.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah. It'd be like. Like I wouldn't spend the day otherwise. You just spend the day crying, alone in the bath, like, I have to do something.

[Vogue Williams]

Gotta do something tomorrow.

[Joanne McNally]

You gotta do something or you end up feeling very sorry for yourself.

[Vogue Williams]

And I feel like you put pressure on yourself even for your day of birth. It's like, oh, I have to do something now on that day.

[Joanne McNally]

I don't mind the day. I like having. I like.

[Vogue Williams]

Don't.

[Joanne McNally]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not, I'm not. I don't like, completely ignore my birthday, but I wouldn't be a big party person. I also don't like the pressure of inviting people because I don't go to a lot of stuff myself. Like, I'm an absolute flake.

[Vogue Williams]

See, I couldn't give a. If no one comes because I know that I'll be there, there. So once I'm there at your own party and a couple of friends, I'm fine.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah.

[Vogue Williams]

But I over invite. So then I know that, like, I'll get a half a decent.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're like a flight.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah.

[Joanne McNally]

Overbook.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, that's exactly what I do. Yeah.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah.

[Vogue Williams]

And sometimes there's some people pissed off because they have to wait.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah.

[Vogue Williams]

When they don't know if they're gonna.

[Joanne McNally]

Wait till next year.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, exactly.

[Joanne McNally]

The party put. The party plane is full.

[Vogue Williams]

Top, top. There's not even room in business. Sorry, you're gone.

[Joanne McNally]

Remove your luggage, please.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah.

[Joanne McNally]

But anyway, this year I did something very unusual for me. I had a family birthday party. Wasn't fun. I had a family dinner. Even my mother was like, joanne, this is. You've never done this in your life. You've never invited the family to anything.

[Vogue Williams]

Where did you invite them? Who did you invite? Your brother and your mom.

[Joanne McNally]

So I went out. I took myself out to Paris Court Hotel in Wicklow, which is gorgeous. Stunning.

[Vogue Williams]

The gym there is amazing.

[Joanne McNally]

Gym's amazing.

[Vogue Williams]

The buffet breakfast is the best I've ever had.

[Joanne McNally]

Buffet breakfast is stunning.

[Vogue Williams]

I haven't had that in years, though.

[Joanne McNally]

Gore. It's very bougie, but you know the great thing about. So I had a family dinner. All my family were just in shock that it was happening, happening. And they're like, this is highly irregular. Javon. My brother was like, you want me and mom to come out and have dinner with you for your birthday? I was like, yeah. He's like, have you had a lobotomy or something? I was like, I don't know what's wrong. It may be because I'm aging or something. I don't know. I'm nesting. I don't know what it is.

[Vogue Williams]

No, I think that you're very family oriented anyway, so.

[Joanne McNally]

I've never really do anything for the birthday. So when we did, we had a gorgeous dinner in Paris Court for the birthday. But the great thing about being in Periscort Hotel is for anyone looking for a bougie night away, is because it's near our Ardmore studios. And Ardmore studios is while doing wild.

[Vogue Williams]

Business, Jamie Foxx and stuff is out there.

[Joanne McNally]

I didn't see Jamie Foxx, but apparently they're filming that. This shows you how. I don't know what. What making TV in America is like, but they fly Jamie Foxx over to stay in Power Squad for a month. He makes a quiz show in Ardmore, a game show. They fly in the audience from the States and everything.

[Vogue Williams]

The. Well, because it's way cheaper.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, but how much cheaper must it be?

[Vogue Williams]

Because remember that show that I did, the Big Deal?

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah.

[Vogue Williams]

And we shot that in the 3 arena. And basically it was cheaper for them to record an entire series in Ireland than it was to record the pilot in America.

[Joanne McNally]

It's mad. Yeah, it must be because they're so heavily unionized in the States. I don't know.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, I don't know.

[Joanne McNally]

Crazy. Anyway, so this, it's. It's got this real vibe of. You don't know who you're gonna see because all the actors and stuff from Ardmore and they've just finished making this big American film in there as well. That's your man. Leo Woodhall's girlfriend's in it. Megan Fahey, the. Your one from White. Louder. She's made some big film out there. Do you know, I did see. Now, I didn't see Jamie Foxx. I was keeping an eye, but he wasn't there.

[Vogue Williams]

Who?

[Joanne McNally]

Robert Lowe.

[Vogue Williams]

The American fella? Yeah, Rob Lowe. Rob. I just don't know. Ah, Rob.

[Joanne McNally]

Rob Lowe.

[Vogue Williams]

Lo W E? Yeah.

[Joanne McNally]

He was trying to keep a low profile, but I. I saw him.

[Vogue Williams]

Did you go, Roberto?

[Joanne McNally]

I Said, I know that's you, but.

[Vogue Williams]

Buddy, did you start screaming across the. The hallway?

[Joanne McNally]

Be like, he was wearing a baseball cap and sunglasses. But I spotted him. So that was a bit of a buzz.

[Vogue Williams]

Well, I. You were staying in the Shelburn the night of your birthday when you went home and you stayed in the Shelburne with your friend. And I thought I'd be really nice and because I didn't know what to get you on for her birthday. So I sent you a bottle of champagne. But I rang them and I was like, hi, my friend Joanne is. And there's a big. There's a whole thing about getting you the champagne because they need your email. They have to send you something. I have to fill out a form so it's not just like, put a bottle of champagne in the room. And I was like, would you mind putting a card in for me as well? And he was like, yeah. And I was like, can you say, hey, Joanne, happy birthday, you mad bitch? And he was like, I'm really sorry, but I can't write that on. I was like, oh. And then I felt really embarrassed of myself. I was like, hi, Joanne, happy birthday. Am I Bish? Can you say Bish?

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah. So did he say that? He wouldn't say it to you?

[Vogue Williams]

He wouldn't put bitch on.

[Joanne McNally]

That's so funny.

[Vogue Williams]

I know they're so fancy because when.

[Joanne McNally]

I read the card, because I didn't realize for ages that that champagne was. I just thought the Shabburn bring really sound. Because as much as I talk about, oh, I don't want to make a big deal on my birthday, there gets the stage when you're checking into hotels. Hotels are like, you want to tell them it's your birthday because then they leave you little macaroons.

[Vogue Williams]

So. Sorry. Do you remember my birthday when I went to that place in. What's it called in Italy, that really nice place and they set up this whole, like, trellis of a.

[Joanne McNally]

Because it was your birthday.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah. Of a love heart. And Sveni had gone running and I had to sit and have breakfast on my own in this love heart trellis with all these rose petals everywhere.

[Joanne McNally]

And yeah, the hotels where you want to say it's your birthday, honeymoon, anniversary and your parents have dead. Sorry, it's your birthday, anniversary, honeymoon. You want all the sympathy from your one at the desk because then they fill your room with fun things like petals and macaroons and fizzy drinks. And I thought. I thought. Because I threw the birthday in at the desk when I checked into Shelburne. So I thought the champagne was from the Shelburne, but it was fun Vogue.

[Vogue Williams]

They should have thrown you another bottle. Now in fairness, they did.

[Joanne McNally]

There was a bottle of something else in the room.

[Vogue Williams]

Stop your two balls. He made light work. Come here to me. I want to tell you about a famous person I met this week and I've always loved her from afar.

[Joanne McNally]

Emma Willis, the hot one. Married to your man from the band.

[Vogue Williams]

Really hot one that looks like a wolf. A gorgeous wolf.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, sexy wolf.

[Vogue Williams]

So I met her and I was, I was there.

[Joanne McNally]

A lot of Emma's in the biz. Isn't there a lot of Emma's.

[Vogue Williams]

Emma Bunton, who else?

[Joanne McNally]

I was thinking. Well, I was thinking of one Emma. One who won the Oscar in the stuff. Traits.

[Vogue Williams]

Emma Thompson.

[Joanne McNally]

No, the other one. There's loads of them.

[Vogue Williams]

I think if you're an entertainment.

[Joanne McNally]

Emma Stone.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, I love Emma Stone, of course. Who's Emma Watson?

[Joanne McNally]

I passed Emma Willis and I was like, she's. I know, she's a very handsome woman.

[Vogue Williams]

I got a bit of a fright, you know when someone's so hot, you're like, oh Jesus. Like. Because I knew she was good looking from seeing her. But then when you see her in real life and she's that good looking in real life as well, it's like, oh my God, he's looking well himself. He looks great. I was hoping she'd be a complete, but she was so sound.

[Joanne McNally]

You can tell she sounds really sound. You can just tell when people are sound. I don't know.

[Vogue Williams]

I think when someone's that good looking there is the potential that they won't be sound.

[Joanne McNally]

She seems low maintenance. Maintenance, Very low maintenance. And that's when a woman is low maintenance like that. You can tell she's sound and kind.

[Vogue Williams]

To work with on TV because you know, sometimes you would work with people and they're kind of like the star of the show and that's just kind of it. She wasn't like that at all. And very inviting in to.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah. Cuz there's a lot of. In show business to be real.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah. I've been kind of lucky with the. Apart from you two. I've been all right.

[Joanne McNally]

You know, we've kind of. We've upped the answer.

[Vogue Williams]

You'Ll be glad to hear. I'm going to stop going on about this. But my book is out. It's out on the 22nd, which is Tuesday. Is it Tuesday, Joe?

[Aaron Patterson]

Thursday night.

[Vogue Williams]

Okay, well there you go. It's out the in Thursday. So you Might hear about this again on the bonus. But it's out, it's out, it's out, it's done.

[Joanne McNally]

Congratulations. I two space tuns on the plane coming back from Dublin and I was crying after the first one. Why I could not. I think, I think because I spent time with my family. I don't know what's happening. I think cuz I spent time with my family and when I, I've. I've. I. I'm. I'm now obsessed with the impending death of my mother.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, stop. No, you have to stop.

[Joanne McNally]

It's all I can think about.

[Vogue Williams]

I'll give you a book. I'll give you a book. Right, to distract me. No, a book. A book to help you come to terms.

[Joanne McNally]

Is it your book?

[Vogue Williams]

Is this you booking your book? Hi, everybody. My book's out today. My book's out today. No, it's out on the 22nd.

[Joanne McNally]

Oh, fab.

[Vogue Williams]

Okay, now these copies aren't for you because I refuse to give you a free copy. You have to support.

[Joanne McNally]

She told me yesterday she was going to bring me in a copy of the book and now she's giving that to someone else.

[Vogue Williams]

Well, I actually. Because I'm interviewing Ivo Graham later, so he's getting.

[Joanne McNally]

Oh, yeah, fair, fair enough. Yeah. He's a good person to go.

[Vogue Williams]

His book is on the same out the same day as mine. So we'll see if he posts. Yeah, I will judge him for it, of course.

[Joanne McNally]

So you were crying because when I spend time with my mother and then I remember how much I love her and then I remember that she's getting old and then that was it. I was born and crying and I was laughing because like, I don't mind crying on a plane. I have no shame now. I do, I do keep my face to the window. But like, there was a grown man.

[Vogue Williams]

Everyone can see.

[Joanne McNally]

No, I was at the very. I just stand up and cry in the aisles for maximum two hands like.

[Vogue Williams]

This at the window.

[Joanne McNally]

No, it doesn't matter. But I was laughing because I was trying to keep a low profile on the crime. But there was a grown man beside me and it was, it was such a male response, like if it was a woman. And I was glad because I genuinely was mortified because I just couldn't stop, you know, just. You just can't.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh God. Oh no. I'd asked to move.

[Joanne McNally]

I just couldn't stop. And there was a seat between us was empty. And then he was on the aisle and like he just looked and you could see he was Just like, I'm not getting involved. And I was like, good for you, man. Good. Don't get involved. Because you don't want to know, because I will tell you.

[Vogue Williams]

Don't get.

[Joanne McNally]

Don't get involved. But if there was a woman crying beside me, I'd probably get. I'd probably try and breastfeed her. I'd do something to suit.

[Vogue Williams]

I do. I would do. I. I'd ask her if she was okay.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, okay.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah.

[Joanne McNally]

And then I'd go, what's. What's. I would. And then if she told me she was crying about the impending death of her mother, I would get involved and then start crying and telling everything.

[Vogue Williams]

Now, I don't think that you should say this to your mom. I know. You probably already have, but, like, oh.

[Joanne McNally]

It'S not what I talk about.

[Vogue Williams]

I know, but you're gonna frighten her. That's not affair.

[Joanne McNally]

She's like, I raised someone stronger than this. I was like, no, you didn't. This is what you raised this mess on a plane?

[Vogue Williams]

How is she not scared? Cuz I asked my mom once and my mom said, don't say that to me. I'm not. I wouldn't like to talk about that. And I'm like, oh, God, she's scared too.

[Joanne McNally]

Well, Pat's probably scared, but I'm so. I've just really taken the charge on the whole thing.

[Vogue Williams]

You're just taking all the attention away.

[Joanne McNally]

I'm making her death about me. Anyway, she's got loads of time left. Loads of time left.

[Vogue Williams]

I'd love to hear people's nostalgic things from school if you want to send in any nostalgic things, you know.

[Joanne McNally]

Remember getting the tray of milk.

[Vogue Williams]

I never liked the strawberry milk, though. I used to. I didn't like milk, to be honest, back then. I don't know what changed.

[Joanne McNally]

And remember bringing in. There's always the yogurt first in school bags. And do you remember the smell of. Do you remember the smell of wet school books?

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah.

[Joanne McNally]

You'd be walking home in the pissing rain because I. Obviously I was a Victorian child and. Or you'd spill your Ribena in your bag or something. And the books. And then I'd leave the books and they go moldy. These big maths books. Smell of it.

[Vogue Williams]

Do you remember some people used to wrap their books with a. With wallpaper.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, I had a bubble. Bubble wallpaper, yeah.

[Vogue Williams]

Very interesting. So if you have anything you'd like to add, please email us in at mtgm.

[Joanne McNally]

I just don't that is so funny.

[Vogue Williams]

Ghosted. What is it?

[Aaron Patterson]

You used to know it. Yeah, that used to not know it.

[Vogue Williams]

Go on, then.

[Joanne McNally]

Hello, @mtgmpod.com.

[Vogue Williams]

Well, there she goes. She's blowing me out of.