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Equivalent to $15 per month. New customers on first 3 month plan only. Taxes and fees. Extra Speed slower above 40 GB on unlimited. See mintmobile.com for details. Hello and welcome to my Victorian Nightmare. I'm your host, Genevieve Mannion, and I'm here to talk about mysterious deaths, morbid fascinations, disturbing stories, and otherwise spooky events from the Victorian era. Because to me, there's just something especially intriguing, creepy and oddly comforting about horror and mayhem from the 19th century. So listener discretion is advised. Hello, friends, and welcome to this, my 26th episode. I cannot believe that I am actually on my way to 30 episodes. I had no idea if anyone anywhere would be interested in this little niche of mine, but. But indeed, there are some folks who enjoy it as much as I do. And that is so nice. Before we begin, I just want to ask, how are you doing? How are you feeling? Things are really thinging lately, aren't they? If you agree, I want you to take a second with me to honor that. Everything you're going through right now, if it's a lot, it should be. Not just because of the wars and the fires and the climate change and the corruption and the emboldening of the very worst possible people to take the helm at this time in history. Not just because we had a full moon in Capricorn that sucked the life out of every single one of us. We all have a lot going on. So I would love to take just one lovely deep breath with you. Nice and deep. As if the breath energy were just coming in through the heart, in, up and out. There we are. I do that about 50 times a day to keep my marbles from spilling out. I'm still insane, but like in a more alkaline kind of way when I take a moment to just do one of those deep heart breaths. Thank you for sharing that moment with me. Okay, today, dear listener, I have some truly, I mean, truly terrible things to tell you that I cannot wait to tell you. That will hopefully give you some respite from the rest of the difficulties and stresses that we're all dealing with. For I will be discussing the grisly history of the graveyard that is London and the subterranean train system built in the Victorian era, within and around the final resting places of literally many millions of tightly packed Londoners. I also have for you a personal ghost story that I have been waiting for the right time to tell you. We will see if I can actually get through it without scaring my own pants off just remembering it. I think today's episode is going to be the very creepiest of them all so far, so have an escape plan ready. Soft blanket and teddy bear couldn't hurt. Today's episode is also not for those of delicate constitution. I will be discussing some kind of gross topics regarding corpses, so consider yourselves forewarned. But before we get to the meat of the episode, the porkchop if you will, a little Haunted Housekeeping. As always, thank you for rating the podcast on Spotify. This is so important to me, so thank you everyone who continues to do so. So thank you for your lovely comments on Spotify episodes and on Instagram yvictorian Nightmare where I post all of the visual aids for each episode. Your comments continue to be my very favorite things to see on the Internet. Thank you to those who joined my Patreon this week who received the show ad free, which you too can enjoy the show ad free by going to myvictorianightmare.com and finding the link to my Patreon. Thank you to those of you who have also purchased some of my merch also available@myvictoriannightmare.com and thank you everyone who has followed my new podcast, Dark Poetry, now available. Most places you find your spooky podcasts I read one of the creepiest poetic stories I think I have ever read in my life on last week's episode, a poem called Dead Man's Hate by Robert Irvin Howard. It takes place in a frontier town where a man has just been hanged. Another guy walks up to this hanging corpse and spits in its face. Then the dead guy wakes up and he climbs down from the gallows and chases the other guy around town with a noose in tow. That one really stuck with me. Really fun. I have some other really wonderful pieces on this week's episode as well. Incidentally, today's episode topic was actually suggested by a lovely listener who snuck right into my DMs on Instagram named Alexandra. She asked if I would do an episode on the creation of the London Underground, and at first I was like, I don't care about trains so much as I do care about plague pits being discovered while building train stations. So I did some digging and had a wonderful time researching this topic. So please feel free to suggest episode topics on Instagram in comments on Spotify. Email me@myvictorianightmaremail.com but don't ask me to do an episode on the Winchester Mystery House, and I'll tell you why. I get that a lot. Don't feel bad if you already have though. Everything that you've been told about that house is a lie. None of it is true, and the real story is really uneventful. So sadly I won't be doing a cool episode on that house. But if you've got another idea, I am all ears. It was actually at the suggestion of a listener that I did the HH Holmes episode as well. So please feel free to share your episode desires with me. Me. Okay, before we get to the Pork Chop, I want to tell you a little ghost story. A little side dish, I think. Since today we're talking about the building of trains in spooky circumstances, I thought I'd share the one time I am certain I not only saw a ghost, but spent the entire night with one. It's fairly dark and it's related to trains, but I'll get there. This happened when I was very young, only about five or six, and even now I am shaking a little just discussing it. This experience I think shaped my personality in a lot of ways because it was so traumatic. But also I think it's responsible in large part for why I am so drawn to researching folks who are long dead, trying to understand who they were and touch them in a way. And it goes a little something like this. I lived in a little house with my family in Springfield, New Jersey in the 80s when I was a little girl, and on the last night that I spent in that house before my family moved to Westfield, New Jersey. Yes, the home of the watcher and family annihilator John List Couple of ancillary details there. My mom put me and my sister to bed. We were actually sleeping in little sleeping bags on the floor because our beds had been packed up like ready ready for the movers in the morning. My mom turned out the light. My sister instantly went right to sleep. And I noticed something moving in the corner of the room. A dark shadow, darker than the rest of the dark, just hovering. I watched it for a long time, just wondering if it was in my mind or maybe my eyes were not adjusting to the dark. But as moonlight grew in the room, I started to notice details in the shadow that became more and More visible until I could see entirely that this was a hovering man. A black man in a pinstriped suit. And as his mouth became more and more visible, I could see it moving. He was singing and he was staring right at me. As he became clearer and clearer, the louder his voice grew. I can remember even music, jazz music, echoing behind him in the room. I was paralyzed with fear. So much that I wanted to scream to my sister to wake her up, but I couldn't even open my mouth. I was so scared. I didn't understand why the sounds in the room weren't waking her up. This man was so sad, but he was smiling. This man sang at me all night. His feet never touched the floor. He just hung and stared and sang at me until the sun came up. He slowly faded with the sunlight, the same way that he appeared in the moonlight, losing more and more detail with the light. The brighter the room got, the fainter I could hear him sing and see him. It was the slowest sunrise I have ever experienced. I felt like this terror would never end. I didn't sleep a single minute that night. I also didn't tell anyone about it until like a few days later. I was just so terrified, like my little brain couldn't make sense of it. But I told my mom, and my mom, who I've mentioned a few times on this podcast, is a very particular mom. She loves her autopsy shows and also sees dead people. Her reaction was not, you probably just had a nightmare. She said, okay, let's find out who he was. And she took me to the library. I don't remember which records or books she picked through exactly, but she was able to find some record of the history around where my house was. And she said, honey, did this man look like these men? And she showed me a picture of the prisoners who built the train tracks that existed right outside our backyard. Black and white men in pinstriped suits built that railroad in the early 1900s. I don't remember any other details that my mom found, other than that photograph that I still see in my memory. If I ever get up the courage, I might take a trip back to that library to see if I can find more information. If there was a particular man who died there during the creation of that railroad or at another time. He may not have been there for that purpose too. There may be more history to pick through. But I think about him all the time and I wonder if he's still there. Do you have any life altering ghost stories that you would like to share? Share them in the comments. Let's scare the wits out of each other. Thank you for letting me share that with you. There aren't a lot of folks that I can share that with. Okay, you ready? Let's get to the pork chop of today's episode. To speak about the construction of the far cleaner and far more efficient subterranean train system than New York's metropolitan train system, the London Underground, otherwise known as the Chube C H O O B. Presumably you must speak about how it was constructed tediously through the excavation of hundreds if not thousands of years worth of tangled packed, liquefied dead bodies. London, the city of Big Ben, Westminster Abbey, Tower Bridge, over the River Thames, and some of the coziest pub food in Europe is essentially one big graveyard just packed with layers upon layers of the unfortunate victims of plagues and epidemics. Side note, I love how in almost every pub that I visited when I was last in London, there was always a cat that they would call the manager in like three different pubs. You got a problem with the stew, take it up with the manager, Gus sitting over there at the end of the bar. That was nice. The paths that the train takes as it winds through the bowels of the city were in a number of cases designed to bypass massive plague pits simply because they were too difficult and God awful to dig through. So I'll speak about the construction of the trains in the Victorian era, but also give a lot of history of how this city came to be one of the most densely populated cemeteries on earth and how these corpses helped to shape the path of the underground we all know and love today. I'll also take you on some fun detours to learn about the Necropolis Railway that transported over 200,000 thousand bodies to cemeteries on the outskirts of the city. The newly discovered plague pits and fascinating pieces of history that are still being found today in new constructions of commuter lines. Anytime I've taken a ride on one of those trains, I always imagine what clothes the ghosts all around me are wearing. Are they 1300s bubonic plague ghosts? Are they cholera epidemic ghosts? Are they wearing burlap or silk dyed green with arsenic or black with coal tar? What are your subway thoughts? Londoners? Ever wonder which layer of history's graves your particular stop was built on? Well, I will give you some insight into that on today's show. I want to make sure that I mention that many of the details that I will be giving about this history originate from a book called London and its Dead by Katherine Arnold. I also used a Gizmodo article by Jeff Mana, two BBC.com articles, one by Bethan Bell and another by Debabani Majumdar, a New Yorker article by Sam Knight, and a my London.com article by Martin Elveri. All of my other references can be found in the show notes. Catherine Arnold, the author who wrote that book, Necropolis, London and Its Dead, states that London is, quote, one big grave. England was ravaged by plagues repeatedly between the 1300s to the 1600s. You may be familiar with the Black Death, or bubonic plague that killed as many as a third of the population of Europe. It arrived In England around 1348 on a ship from Glasgony France, which is incredible that they can figure that out. And we still don't know if it was a bat or a lab experiment gone wrong that caused Covid. There was the great plague of London in 1665. This was the worst plague in England since the Black Death. There were a number of many plagues throughout the 1500s. In fact, there were very few years between the 1300s and 1600s where there were no plagues reported at all. But in this one, the Great London plague, London lost 15% of its population. That was likely over about a hundred thousand people. The man who wrote Robinson Crusoe, Daniel Defoe, wrote a book about the great plague of London, believed to be based off of journals of his uncle Henry, who lived through this plague. It was published in 1722. It's called a Journal of the Plague Year. The book tells of how Londoners suffered horrific deaths in the Thousands in 1665. He talks about families being locked in their homes with plague victims to be forced to die together, the sick being buried alive to prevent them from spreading the plague further, and nurses murdering plague victims to hurry their deaths. If you've ever taken the underground to Aldgate Station, know that this station was built upon a plague pit. Defoe describes a gruesome pit that was 40 foot long and 15 or 16ft wide, dug at the depth of 20ft or more, that was filled with 1100 and 14 bodies. He writes. A terrible pit it was, and I could not resist my curiosity to go and see it. For though the plague was long a coming to our parish, yet when it did come, there was no parish in or about London where it raged with such violence as in the two parishes of Aldgate and Whitechapel. He writes about the delivery of the bodies to the pit. The cart had in it 16 or 17 bodies. Some were wrapped up in linen sheets, some in rags, some little other than naked or so loose that what covering they had fell from them in the shooting out of the cart, and they fell quite naked among the rest. But the matter was not much to them, or the indecency much to any one else, seeing they were all dead and were to be huddled together into the common grave of mankind, as we may call it. He writes that his uncle collapsed with grief after seeing a man watch his wife, wife and children unceremoniously dumped into the pit over a pile of moldering corpses. And then in the 1800s, there was the cholera epidemics, plural, that began in 1832. This one came from Russia and a few other parts of Europe that killed over 50,000 people in 1849. About 53,000 people in both England and Wales died from cholera in 1854. And in 1866, you had two more outbreaks. Quick side note, dying of cholera is one of the most horrifying ways to die that I can think of. I speak at length about Victorian epidemics in episode two, the Victorian Cult of Death, but I'll just jog your memory about cholera. Essentially, you die from rapid dehydration and electrolyte loss. It's a very fast killing disease. You can be dead within 24 hours of contracting it, although it can also take up to about three days. I will spare you the worst of the details, but it is a bacterial infection that spreads through ingestion, either through food or water that has been contaminated. It's inconceivable to me to imagine how people in this era lived with this disease, attacking people that they loved, their children, neighbors all around them. Simply horrific. Not to mention tuberculosis that folks were contending with as well. A much slower death, to be sure, but this disease killed millions of people in Europe in the 1800s. So Christ. Starting to feel really ungrateful that one of my biggest problems right now is that I can only find a mattress pad made out of memory foam. I hate memory foam. It makes me feel like I'm sleeping in a wad of chewing gum and I can only find memory foam mattress pads. My new mattress is just a little too firm. I'm gonna go do a gratitude meditation real quick. Brb.
