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Jenee Naylor on how to create a Signature Style, Pixie Maintenance and DIY Beauty
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A
Hello. Hello. This is Brooke Devard, and you're listening to the Naked Beauty podcast today. I am so excited about my guest, Janae Naylor, because she. I feel like I know her in real life. She shows up on my feed. I get all the outfit inspiration, like, very much friend in my head. She's a social media influencer with over 1 million followers across all of her social platforms. But she also left a very impressive career to become one of the most influential creators in the fashion industry. Today, she's the host of her own style show, Style Unlocked, and the founder of 12pm, a lifestyle brand. You know their sunglasses, we love their glasses. Chenay's reputation as a transparent fashion authority illuminates why she's had such a successful creative career. I can't wait to get into it all with you today on Naked Beauty.
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B
Yay. I'm so excited to be here. You have a great voice also.
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A
Oh, my gosh. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. So, Janae, you grew up in St. Louis, and can I tell you what I think of when I think of St. Louis? Oh, please. I think of Sex and the City, Jennifer Hudson's character, Louise, and she's like a Louis. A Louis for Louise from St. Louis. But I've never been to St. Louis. Like, I don't. I don't even know. I don't even know how to picture it. What was it like growing up in St. Louis?
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B
It was amazing. It is, like, the only kind of the biggest city, I guess you can say, in Missouri. But it's. When people think of Missouri, it's very. Almost like it's Midwest, but it's kind of Southern. It's a little country. But St. Louis is like its own little bubble. It's. I always lived, like, in the city, the inner city, or at school there. So it's all different types of people from different walks of life. And, like, every block is kind of different and. And you kind of have your areas. I grew up on the south side. Some people are, like north side people, some people are downtown people. So it's had a little bit of everything. But I feel like everyone from St. Louis, like, anytime I meet people, they're great people. Like, we can kind of, like, move and shake in any, you know, situation around any person. I feel like I can fit in anywhere because there was just like, so much diverse, so many different groups of people, I guess, in St. Louis.
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A
I don't consider St. Louis maybe, or, I don't know, St. Louis as a big fashion city. How did growing up in St. Louis influence your sense of style, and I
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B
feel like it kind of is. And I was also very fortunate that I went to a creative arts school, so that helped. When I started high school, I was going to a, like, science and math School and 9th grade. I was like, mom, this isn't where I'm shining. This is not my thing. So we found a creative arts school school. And at that time, I wanted to be a dancer, and I kind of have already, like, danced, like, when I was younger, and they had a program where you could, like, have a major and, like, you could take that major every day, and that would be, like, kind of how you ended the day. So I went there as a dance major, and that was just, like, you know, fame. It was very much like we had, you know, people that did journalism and people that did, you know, design. And every day, I did dance. And at that time, I thought I was going to be a backup dancer for Aaliyah. So. So that was.
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A
But by the way, you were a very, very good dancer because you got a scholarship for college run dancing, right? Did.
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B
I did. That was very much the. The plan for a long time. Like, dance was my. And it's so funny because I always loved other arts, too. That was just kind of like the first one I found. But I remember even in high school thinking, like, man, I wish I could do, like, design, too, and make clothes. Like, I like that, too. Like, but you have to pick ones. And at the time, I just felt like, well, I'm better at dance, so that's what I'm going to do.
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A
Oh, my goodness. Well, it makes sense now that now that you're talking through it, that as a creator who has to show up on camera, that you would have this kind of, like, performing arts background. And you even opened for Destiny's Child once. What was that? Like, that's iconic.
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B
It was a competition that we won.
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A
Okay, but. But still.
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B
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But still very official. It's my claim to fame. But it was outside of dance that I did at school. I had, like, a kind of extracurricular thing where I had a dance group, and we entered a competition, and whoever won could open for Destiny's Child. And we won.
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A
I love it. Now, all of those years of dance, is that why you're so good at makeup? Because I watch, you know, we know you as a style girl, but I watch your makeup tutorials and makeup videos and even when you're doing your hair, and I'm like, she is a beautician. Like, she is a beauty girl.
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B
Well, here's the thing. I always tell people, I can do anything as long as it's on YouTube. I could build a house. I could do anything. Like, I'm just very good at, like, watching something and, like, you know, dedicating myself and practicing. I went to YouTube University also, so I learned all of my makeup from Jackie. I know. I mean, watch her from the very beginning, so I feel like I've learned all the skills. But also, before I went to college, I took a year off from school. And this was when I was really. I kind of, like, sidelined dance a bit, and I was like, I'm just good at other things. I tried to be a makeup artist. I tried to be a stylist. This was in St. Louis, Missouri. So I didn't really know how to do those things. I think at the time, the only stylist I knew was probably Rachel Zo from the Rachel Zoe Project. I was like, I would love that job. And then I started seeing makeup artists, and I was like, I like makeup too. Like, maybe I should be a makeup artist. I was just throwing everything at the wall. And then finally my mom was like, hey, while you figure it out, maybe you just take this scholarship, go to school. You can still do these things, but let's just get the ball rolling on something. And I was like, that's not a bad idea.
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A
Yes. Now, did it sounds like your family was supportive about these creative pursuits?
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B
Oh, yeah. I'm an only child, so it was just me and my mom growing up. And she. I always tell people I could say anything, and she'd be like, you're gonna be the best at it. I could be like, I went to space camp when I was younger. Like, anything I'm gonna be, I wanna be an astronaut. She'd be like, you're gonna be so good at that. Like, what do we need to do? I. I want to play soccer. Okay. I want to be a Girl Scout. Oh, you're going to be the best Girl Scout. You're probably going to be the leader. So I. I love that. I've never been afraid of trying things, which has really helped a lot, obviously in, like, this new career. But I'm always like, I should try that. I'll probably pick it up fast.
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A
I. That's the type of mother I aspire to be. Now, you have talked about how you. Your plan was, you know, climbing the corporate ladder at Target before you went to pursue influencing full time. What did you love about your time at Target when You did love it. And then what change?
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B
Oh, I loved leading people. I loved creating a team. I loved managing talent. I loved promoting talent. A lot of the teaching parts of just having a team and motivating people and promoting people. I was, like, a district trainer when I worked at Target. I was the campus recruiter, so I would go to Howard and I would recruit for them. And I just loved talent in general, and I loved leading people. I loved metrics and having goals and. And I was very. I'm a very, like, intentional person, so I need goals to, like, stay motivated. So I always also loved, like, okay, what's the next position? What's the next. What do I need to do? Okay, okay, that's what I'm gonna do when it's time for that review. I'm like, okay, I did this and that, and I did that, and now where we are, here we are. So I loved it, and I just. And I was really good at it. So obviously, that is a big motivator when, you know, everyone's like, like, people. Everyone knew I was good. So that's just like, you know, really inspiring when it's like, oh, yeah, you need to go to Janae's store. Like, she can help you do xyz. Oh, you should call Janae. She can, like, yeah, yeah, CEO, here I come.
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A
Right, well, but I would imagine that that rigor and being able to outline clear goals and a strategy and bring your team along, the vision has helped you in your creator career enormously. But what changed? So you were being recognized for your incredible work. You were loving it, you felt motivated. But what made you think, this is something I need to step away from and pursue being a creator full time?
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B
Oh, devastation. Honestly, so. And everything happens for a reason. Because I tell people, I would have never left. I loved my job. I was good at it, and I would have tried to do both for a very long time. I was. I went on a cruise, and while I was on that cruise, my district situation changed, and I got a new boss, and it was just downhill from there. It was kind of like he came in and he was like, I don't get why everybody likes her. Like, I don't get what's so special at this point. I was already. I was already on the path for, like, the next promotion, and it was kind of like, you know, you have performance plans and, like, you know, categories for people and, like, trajectories for people, right? So it was already kind of like, he got me. And it was like, okay, this is what Janae's doing next. Like, you don't really have to do much, but just so you know. And he was like, no, I don't see that for her. Like, I could tell the first time we met, when I got back from vacation, I was like, oh, he hates me. Like, he doesn't know me, but he's like, I don't get it. I. I don't like it.
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A
A new boss can throw you all the way off.
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B
And at that point, I had only had amazing bosses, right, like, that loved me and just poured into me. So I was just like, I don't know what is going on? And at that point, I was already in the works for this promotion, so he couldn't stop the process, right? So after we met, I still went through, like, three months of interviews, a bunch of rounds, different cities, like, did all the things, got the promotion, and then a month later, they took it away. And this.
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A
Wait, hold on. You can't take a promotion away. That's not a thing.
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B
And what was so upsetting was, like, this was perfect for me. So at the time, I had my own store, and I had done all the things right. I had opened a store, and this was my second store. I was, again, the district trainer. I was the campus recruiter. I was. And then I fixed this store. I went to a broken store, fixed it, like, cleaned it up, and did exactly what you told me to do. And they were like, we just feel like, you're not ready. And I was like, I don't. First of all, I don't have anything left to do at this store. Like, I don't have it in me to do anything else at this store. But also, like, we had already told my peers, like, it was a known thing that, like, Janae got this. It was a visual merchandising role. I would be over 75 stores, and it was like, I was like, finally, I can focus on fashion and clothes and, like, just get a little more creative. And then they were like, yeah, we just don't. We just think you need a little more time here. And I was like, this is the first time I've not gotten something. I don't like how this feels, because this is how it works. You get. You set the goals, you do the things, you get the thing. And now you're telling me that's not how it works anymore.
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A
Yeah. And corporate's just not fair, and the rules are always changing, and it seems like they're always changing for black women. So you were like, I'm done with this game let me. Let me be the driver of my own destiny.
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B
And luckily, I had already started just, like, taking pictures online. I probably had, like, a couple brand deals. I wasn't really keeping up with it, but at that point I was like, I gotta start saving my money. Any. Any brand deal I get, I gotta start saving my money. I need to pay off my debt. I need to, like, really think about what it looks like to try to do this other thing, and I can always come back to it. And that took, like, six months of convincing myself because I'm just like, I don't even know people that work for themselves. I don't know entrepreneurs. Like, that's not real life to me. I have to have a job. And I was just like, luckily I started meeting people locally that did this full time. And I was like, okay, you're surviving, you're doing it.
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A
It's so helpful for people to have that example that it can be done. But I'm also. I'm just thinking about the timeline of you being passed over for this, like, great opportunity that you were perfect for.
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B
Right? But.
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A
But I'm. I'm going to, you know, modern times, where you now have your clothing line at Target. And just thinking about the look on that man's face when he had to be like, so we got it. We got to market her clothes at Target. Like, just the full circle moment of it all must have just felt so sweet.
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B
It was sweet, but it was also one. He was fired shortly after I left.
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A
Okay.
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B
Like, he was not a great boss, but the person I was going to be working under was still there. And he was also a part of what happened to me. So he definitely had to go into the stores and check my setup and make sure it was right. But it was kind of bittersweet also, because it was like seeing a different future, you know, like going back in the stores. I always tell people I get PTSD when I go in stores. Like, I'm thinking about the end caps and I'm thinking about the carts. I'm looking at the backup and I'm looking. I'm looking at, like, the floor needs to be. So how's the bathroom look like? So it was. The whole process was really interesting, right, because I go to headquarters, where I used to go every year for, like, these yearly meetings and, like, you know, plan my whole year in my store. And now I'm like, walking through these same halls doing something else. But I still remember what it felt like when I was, like, just grinding so hard on this other dream where it was, it was a little bittersweet actually. It was, it was like, oh, oh, this is exciting. But wow, this is also like y' all stole my dream a little, you know, I don't know.
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A
But listen, that you're on the path that you were meant to be on. What were those early months of influencing like when you were just getting started?
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B
They were so lonely and it was exciting, but it was really lonely. I was used to like my store. I had 300 team members. It was just like, it's just me all day. Like I felt like I was going insane. Like my husband would come home and I'd be like, what'd you do all day? Who'd you talk to? Like, talk to me like, what's happening? But luckily I had a lot of. Obviously I can self manage, right? Like I didn't work in a store. The store I worked in, I'm the most senior person, right? So I would see my boss every couple of weeks whenever they would come visit. So I was able to manage myself and set routines and I was very much set up for success to be able to like create a routine and like get things done and set goals and have objectives and all those things. But it was just like, I gotta meet some people and FaceTime and talk to people and just like mind melt with people because this is very lonely. That was the biggest thing. And then we like rolled right into Covid and I was like, oh boy,
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A
you were pre, you were pre prepared for the isolation. But you know, it's so interesting when I think about beauty and the way that you can take care of yourself when you work a full time job versus when you are your own boss. It is a little bit different, right? I can remember those early days when I was out of corporate being like, oh, in the middle of the day, I can like work out. Like this is, this is kind of life changing. I can put it, I can put on a face mask as I'm working on this document. It's a whole different way of taking care of yourself when you are on your own schedule. But then the flip side of that is I think I also imagine that being an entrepreneur, I'd have more free time, but you kind of have less because you have that pressure. It's like, well, I work for myself and I'm my own boss, so I gotta like get on my job and get on my zoom.
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B
You're just shifting things. And I personally love it because it allows you to kind of leverage when you're at Your best, right? I've never been a morning person. I've always been a night owl. So I will lay in bed at night and I can work and. And be on my phone or respond to comments or make things in Canva. And I'm having the time of my life. This is great. But if I had to wake up and do that at 7:00am, I'm like, this is hell. So I don't mind. And like, I just remember I also worked so hard before. Not that I don't work hard now, but, like, physically and mentally. And I would, you know, work overnight sometimes, or I would work all night and then in the morning. Cause we had a visit. So it does just allow you to shift things and do the thing right. Like, I can have a call and I need to do my nails. I can do that. At the same time, when I. I finished this, I'm gonna wash my hair. And then we, you know, you just are allowed to do the things you need to do when you need to do them. But it still work all the time. I'm working tomorrow.
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A
It's still work all the time. I've seen some, like, throwback photos that you've posted of, like, your style and, like, your early days of content creation versus how your style has evolved now. How would you describe your style today?
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B
Oh, that's such a great question. I feel like it's still. There's always been a through line. It's so funny. In high school, I was not voted best dressed, but I was voted most sophisticated. And honestly, at the time, I didn't really get it. But it has been the through line of, like, I like structure, I like tailoring, I like blazers and suits and shoulder pads and, you know, silhouettes. And I've always liked a good jean. And I like the mix of, like, hard and soft. I've never wanted to be too sexy or too girly, but a little mix of both and always a little bit of cool. And it's always been that. And sometimes I think, depending on trends, you lean more into one or the other. But those have always been, I think, consistent, like, tailoring cool. Very effortless. I always wanted to look like I didn't really care, even though I do really care.
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A
And when did the signature short hair come into the look? Because when I see older pictures and I see you with long hair, I'm like, I just. This is not the Janae I know. And you look gorgeous. I mean, you can wear your hair anyway and look gorgeous. But when did you decide you were going to do this, like, signature short pixie cut.
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B
It's. Well, I had short hair before in college. I always, again, liked hair. I've cut my hair before. I've done sew ins before. I've made wigs before. Like, I used to make my own wigs. Like, I again, YouTube University, everything. And I always told myself, like, I'm just not mature enough yet, you know, but when I, you know, turn 40, I know I'm gonna cut my hair again. I know that is my look, and that's what I want. And then covet happened, and I was just so bored, and there was just nothing to do, so I was like, let me just cut it. I'm still wearing wigs, but I'm like, I'll just, like, start cutting my hair little by little. I just want to see what it looks like, but in my mind, I'll wear wigs. And that's what I did. I, like, I remember cutting it, I think, in February of 2020, and then I would just, like, cut it every time I wash my hair a little more, a little more, because I was doing this myself, I'm just like, oh, I think it's almost there. And then I was like, well, let me get it really healthy, you know, I'll start taking care of it really good. And then I was like, you know, we just need to do this. Let's, like, show the world.
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A
Yeah, well.
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B
And.
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A
But how did it feel to just. Because I think for so many women, they attach their beauty to their hair, and when they have short hair, somehow they feel less feminine. Like, did you have that adjustment period?
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B
No, the adjustment was mainly, like, learning how to do it, which has just been, like, years of trial and error and practice. But honestly, I always, like, a goal of mine, especially when I started to really love fashion, was like, I love people that had a signature look. I always thought that was the coolest thing. You would see somebody street style and they have a blonde bob or they have a mohawk or they always have bangs. And I was like, oh, I know. When I get older, like, I always knew the type of women woman I wanted to be. I was like, when I get older, I want a signature look. I want people to be able to see me from the back or from wherever and be like, oh, my God, that's Janae. Like that, like, so I felt like that's what this is. I. There was never a hairstyle where I was like, this would be what I want to look like forever or feels like me. But I was like, this to Me feels like me.
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A
This feels like me. And it's perfect for you as a fashion girl because we get to focus on the clothes. It's like we. The bone structure, the beauty, like, the face card and then the outfit.
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B
And I don't have to make concessions.
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A
Yes.
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B
You know, certain hair, you're like, okay, I can't wear. You know, I need to put a bun because there's a lot of this, so I need to. And I'm always like, oh, with my hair, this is perfect. Oh, with my hair, this is perfect.
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A
Now, how do you do the pixie? Because your hair, again, always looks so good. And I'm like, I need the recipe.
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B
I have it down. I have a system. Tell us. It's like. And I have different versions, which I also love. This is my, like, easy two week. I don't have to do a lot of work version, which is like, the little swirls and all that. I lay down, mold it with Influence foam, top tier.
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A
Okay. I have to ask you, have you tried the new sacred wrapping and setting foam?
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B
Yes.
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A
And it's not. It's not a hit for you.
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B
Devastating.
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A
Devastating.
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B
It's not meant for Pixies. I don't know why they put that on the box.
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A
Wait, wait, can I. Can I. May I just say, I used it for a slick back on a very windy boat trip day. Like, I did my. Oh, it was a mate. Like, it. It held like, I was like, oh, my hair is slicked down. But. Okay, but. But Pixie styling is a whole different ball game.
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B
You know, what if I wanted to do. Which I've. I've never found a product to do this, but if I was going on vacation and just wanted to wear, like, a mold or a slick style and it stay. It would be perfect for that. It's not for combing out.
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A
I see.
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B
So it is sticky. It is. I had to. I used it and I had to wash my hair again and remold it again instead of the dryer again, so. Exactly. It's. But now that I'm thinking about it, anytime I've tried to just wear a mold, my hair is too soft. So that would be perfect for that because it's more of a. Like, it's more of a gel. Like, it's just gonna keep everything in place.
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A
Yes. Okay. So see, and the foam you use is from Influence, and you said it's called Influence.
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B
Called Influence foam. I just found it on Tick from TikTok. Not. It's not on TikTok Shop, but just somewhat. You know, I'm in the pixie side of Tick Tock, and the girls were like, you have to try this. It's. You know, it doesn't make your hair dry, whatever. So I love it.
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A
I love that there's pixie talk.
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B
Oh, I love it. And I'm. And that's the thing. I'm always a learner. I'm always gonna stop and watch that video. I. I'm going to watch that hairstylist. I'm going to watch that live. I'm like, oh, what is she doing? Oh, that's how she gets her swirl. Okay, noted. Got it.
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A
Okay. But you're also defying a convention and a rule that I have that, like, not everyone can be good at anything. It's like, I always say that, like, you. You either know how to dress well, you know how to do your hair well, you know how to do your makeup well, you can do your own nails. Like, no one can do all of those things, but it sounds like you can do them all. Which I'm like, that's kind of crazy, you know?
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B
Yes. But also, I've let go of this goal of perfection. I know that you.
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A
But you always look. But you always look. No, no.
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B
I know there's people that can do all of these things better than me. Right. And I love, you know, I love, you know, I love having great makeup artists that, like, I'm like, I can't do what you do. I'm not ever claiming that. Sure. But I also am like, I'm not a hand model. This is just a Tuesday. My nails don't need to look perfect today. They need to look nice. Same. Like my hair, it needs to look nice. My like. But when there's times where I'm like, this is a big deal. Like, something's coming up. I want to get my nails done. I want someone to come in and do my hair. I would love all of that. I just. This is good enough for me, but I also just have let go of, like, you know, some people, like, it's the weekend. My hair needs to be super crispy and tight. When I cut my hair, that was something I really let go of. I said, I'm giving 90s Halle Nia long pixie. I'm getting undone. We're not going to be bumped and curled and crisp and. Hey, it's too much.
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A
It's too much. Okay, okay, so. So we're at the foam and the molding part. Okay, then what next?
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B
I sit under my dryer in my little closet, and while I do that. I'm doing my nails. Then when I'm done, all I have to do is literally just like curl.
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A
Okay.
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B
I have a little curling iron or a little flat iron. I just boop, boop, boop. It takes me like 20 minutes. And then I just put a scarf on it, go to sleep, and I wake up and I just do like this amazing.
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A
Now are you, are you getting relaxer in between or is your hair okay?
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B
Now lucky for me, I have very thin hair. So I feel like a lot of people that struggle with their pixie have super thick hair. So it's just a lot more to work with. I've always had like just fine hair. So like even like I really only relax this part of my hair because this part, it's like it's. You're already curling it. Like I need it to be actually as thick and luscious as possible.
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A
Yes. Okay. Now, how do you feel about all of the conversation about relaxer? I feel like there's been such a pendulum swing and a back and forth where people are like, it's honestly fine. Some people are like, it's the worst thing you can do to your endocrine system.
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B
There are certain ones, what you want is the kind that you have to mix up that have no lie, no lie in them. So you don't want the kind that come like just like a jumbo tub is already together and you just like dig in there. You want the kind where you like pour all the stuff together.
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A
Okay.
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B
And you can't reuse that. Right. It's a one time use and you
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A
throw it away and you're done. Are you doing your own relaxer?
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B
I am.
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A
Of course. Of course. Well, I shouldn't have expected anything different. Okay.
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B
It's what we talked about with like, you have the time to do the things. I don't have time. And I. And I need things when I need them. Right, right.
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A
Like literally.
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B
I literally told my husband. I was like, oh, when I finish this, we were going to go to the movies and I was like, oh, I need to film something tomorrow, so I need to do my hair tonight. I can't reach out to a stylist and be like, hey, something came up. I need you to do my hair. Same thing with my nails. I don't want to drive 30 minutes to sit down and nail gel. I had to let that go a long time ago. I just, it's not a fun experience. This isn't relaxing me.
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A
I'd rather you're self reliant. You're self reliant. You can do it. You can do it all on your own. Do you do your cut as well?
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B
I do, but here's the thing. I don't listen to the professionals. I'm not just figuring it out. Right. I follow the people that do the things. I'm watching the lives, I'm watching the YouTube. Like when I do my hair still, most times I am holding up a picture on my phone, like from Pinterest or I have like, I'm like, oh, you know, this week I want to do like my little flips, but I still will like pull up that picture and be like, okay, I need to trim a little bit over here, a little bit there. Okay. My husband like cuts the back of my hair.
- [24:34]
A
Yes. I'm always learning the other thing. You know, you have access to all of these experts through your show, which is so incredible. You've talked to Law, Roach, Danessa, Myricks, and I love one of the best parts about doing naked beauty is learning from these experts. What are tips or like tricks that you've like, picked up from them that you've integrated into your approach?
- [24:56]
B
Honestly, I love like all of the guests I learn from, but the stylists are always the most interesting because it really is about knowing yourself and what you're comfortable in and just what you exude. Like, that's the hardest part of their job, is figuring out their client and not just what will look good on them, but kind of like when people say like, what they can pull off, like, what's believable based on who you are and how you're going to feel when you put the thing on. And I rely on that more and more every day. Like, which is why, like, traveling has gotten so hard for me because I have to pack a lot because I can pack a great outfit, right? And I wake up and I'm like, that's just not the vibe today. Like, still cute, but that's just not how I'm feeling. I'm not going to give what I need to in that. I need another option.
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A
Interesting you, but I think that. So I think that you are someone that inspires me to try bolder looks, to try different proportions, to try color. When people say, oh, that's not something that I could pull off. I'm sure you see it in your comments section all the time. So what do you think is behind that confidence?
- [25:58]
B
I think, and that's half the battle. It's believing. Believing your sauce, Believing the thing. There's so many things I put on. And I'm like, we just gotta own it. This is weird. This is a little odd. This is. But I'm gonna own it. Like, people be like, oh, my God, I love that airport outfit. I'm like, this is nothing. This is literally nothing that I have on. Right. But I just. Instead of putting my jacket on, I put it on my shoulders and. And I'm just walking like, this is the best thing you've ever seen. I'm just. Right. So now you believe this is. I'm. I'm just. I'm fabulous. But I'm this. I'm. I just have on sweatpants and a hoodie and a nice jacket or a nice coat and, like, a cool bag, but it's really that way. I'm carrying myself where I'm not, like, sinking into my clothes. I'm not, like, cowering because I don't feel comfortable or like, you know.
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A
Right.
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B
I'm like, I love this.
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A
Do you believe in any hard and fast rules when it comes to styling? Like, are there any things that you say, okay, if. If you're a certain height, you probably shouldn't do this? Or, like, do you have any rules? None.
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B
No. The. The older I get, the less rules I have. I would say I have rules for me based on preference and based.
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A
What are the rules for you?
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B
What are the rules typically? And this is. I wouldn't even say it's an age thing or anything. It's just a comfortability thing. Like, usually if I have. If I'm exposed at the top, I don't want to be exposed at the bottom. I feel like I actually heard this from Destiny's Child a long time ago when they used to do, like, those house tour things on mtv. I feel like Beyonce's mom might have said this, but I always, like, that's just what makes me feel comfortable. I never like to be too sexy. That's just, like, a me thing. And maybe it's like growing up with, like, a larger chest. I just always try to have some balance. I'm really short, so I love to make my legs look long. I loved really, like, mini things. But I also will wear something long, but typically, I'll wear he or something like that. Or it's just little things. I don't love my arms. I've just never been able to get them toned. So that's something I'm trying to work through and, like, just show them anyway and just, like, who cares? And do the thing.
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A
Yeah, we, as women, we just, like, nitpick These very small things that, of course, no one else even notices.
- [28:09]
B
Exactly. And that's the thing I'm trying to get away from that perfection where it's like, it's really not that serious. It's so. It's little silly rules like that for myself where I'm like, oh, no, I'm not even going to look at that, because I don't like when my this does this. So I'm just.
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A
Yes. Now, you said that you're short. How tall are you?
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B
I'm five three and a half.
- [28:28]
A
Okay. Cute, cute, cute. Five three. That's not really short. I mean, it's. But it's.
- [28:33]
B
It's.
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A
It's.
- [28:34]
B
It's always shorter than people assume. People think I'm really tall, and I think that's because of the way I dress. Like, the way I dress my proportions, where I usually am elongating things and people are like, you're. That's the first thing people always say to me. You're so little. And I'm like, hello.
- [28:51]
A
Yes, yes. Surprise, surprise. Now, in terms of having a larger chest, you know, my dream would love to have a large chest that I had to, like, dress around. What? As someone who's been in a cup her whole life, I just can't. I don't. I don't get that.
- [29:06]
B
Oh, jealous. I'm so jealous. A deep V, you know, open, you know, blazer. No. No top. But it's clean. And with me, it just gives, like, sex, right?
- [29:21]
A
Well, yeah, but, like, it is wrong with that.
- [29:23]
B
But that's not what I like.
- [29:25]
A
What you like.
- [29:26]
B
Okay. I'm trying to give chic.
- [29:28]
A
Yes. Lust for people that do have larger chests. What tips do you have around styling? Because I've. I've heard from friends, not myself, because, again, I haven't been blessed that way. Like, I can't really do the oversized trend because I have a lot of chest. When I do, like, an oversized T shirt, it doesn't, like, come all the way together. Is it about the right support garments? Is it about the, like, how do you dress?
- [29:51]
B
It's. It's balancing the whole thing. And it's so funny because I never really even paid attention to my chest when I had long hair, because I realized I would always have hair here, so it never really bothered me, and that I had to change a lot of the styles I wore. Like, I don't really wear, like, baby doll dresses anymore or just, like, things that are very voluminous here because I have nothing to cover my chest. But even this Top today is very loose, but I have a very tight pant on. So I feel like those type of proportions I keep in mind, but I don't. There's certain things where, like if it comes straight down, like, I don't really like one piece swimsuits on me because it's, it's gonna stick out from my chest. So then it makes my waist look bigger because it's just out. I need, I always say I need suction from, from here to here. I need to be snatched. Yeah. And it's not about trying to be smaller, but it's like I always say I just want to look how I actually look. I don't need you distorting how I look when that's not accurate.
- [30:48]
A
Yes. Any go to undergarments that you swear by.
- [30:51]
B
Yes, I have the little. Because I, I mean, I love to be free if I'm gonna be honest. So. And I love a backless, you know, situation. So I love the little cup thingies. I mean, I just get them on Amazon, just flesh tone. They stick. But you know what, it's just coverage.
- [31:08]
A
Because I was going to say that is a flex in and of itself to just wear those because it means that your boobs are perky enough that you don't need.
- [31:16]
B
That's a question. People are like, so what else? And I'm like, you're like, I'm blessed.
- [31:20]
A
Yeah.
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B
You know, so I'm just going to take that. I love the. If I need a strapless, Victoria's Secret has a new one and it's really good. I'm a Victoria's Secret Stan, but they have one that has, it's, it doesn't give you like a big boob. Like a big, like one big boob, if that makes sense. It kind of still gives you separation. And then I like a Spanx if I need, like, if I'm wearing a gown or something that's very like, you know, red carpet, special occasion kind of thing. But again, I do. I'm not a super toned, firm person. So if I'm wearing something that's a bit more flowy and I just want to feel a little more confident, that's when I wear a Spanx. I'm not wearing one with jeans and a T shirt. The kids never that serious to me.
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A
Yes, I agree. I agree. And I feel like it's, I think, you know, going back to what you were saying about you, you always wanting to look effortless in order to look effortless, it does kind of have to be effortless. Meaning if you just have on a ton of shapewear and undergarments and stuff sticking into you. And my thing is like, how long do I have to be on my feet? How high can the heels be for me to move through a space comfortably for long amounts of time?
- [32:24]
B
And all of that shows.
- [32:26]
A
Yes, exactly.
- [32:26]
B
All that shows that you're fidgeting and you're uncomfortable and you can't engage with people and you can't work the room. And you and I know that matters to me. Like, that will stifle how I can interact with people. And when I know I need to be, you know, my best self or like really work the room or do what I need to do or do my job, I'm like, hey, we need a suit. Like, I need my go to things that just make me feel great. But I also realized I need to be comfortable. So whatever that is. That doesn't mean I could be in a corset and be comfortable, but I need to, like, have some version of comfort. For me, that means the shoe needs to be comfortable. If I'm sucked in, like, I can't be sucked in and tucked in. And then a sky high stiletto and like a choker. Okay.
- [33:10]
A
It's too much. It's too much. What are your go tos? Those pieces that you know that over and over again you can return to and they're going to hit every time.
- [33:19]
B
Oh, yeah. Depend. I have things for, like different occasions. If I am ever speaking somewhere I need to have a meeting or feel powerful, I'm always going to wear a suit. I love a skirt suit. I love a vintage little Chanel suit. I love an oversized suit. So it just depends, like if it's something more creative. I have more colorful suits.
- [33:36]
A
Yes.
- [33:36]
B
But for me, I love a shoulder.
- [33:39]
A
Okay. Because I was going to ask who you like for suits only because I see these great videos that you do where you go into H and M and Zara and you go into the stage stores and you say, what's worth buying? What's not worth buying? And I feel like you show a lot of designer, but you also show a lot of really accessible brands. Who do you like for suits? Because suits can get very expensive.
- [33:56]
B
They absolutely can. My fit. Now, I'm someone. Everyone doesn't like this. Some people like a more streamlined silhouette. Again, I think because of my chest, I like and I just think I like a little edge and a little effortlessness. I feel a more oversized fit just looks cooler on me. So I like Frankie Shop. Like, if you don't have a cool suit. That's the first place to go. I feel like I have all of theirs, so I don't really shop them anymore. I'm like, I have every color. I also love Hilsa from Revolve.
- [34:21]
A
Yes. She's killing it.
- [34:24]
B
Yeah, very much killing it. Like, she's on the nose of a lot of things. I'm like, thank you for making that in a better price point. And then Zara, you know, it's hard to find a perfect suit, but you can find a blazer in a pant that are pretty close and like, find the right silhouette for you. Because I think that's what it is about there. Like, I don't like a one button blazer on me. I like a double breasted or I like something with some piping or a little sculpture, you know, to get, like create a silhouette or a little shape and then you find the right pant. Do I want a crop pant? Do I want something with a flare or something oversized or a barrel? But you could put, you could mix and match and put a lot of stuff together in Zara.
- [35:02]
A
Yes. Okay. A great suit.
- [35:04]
B
What's another go to if it's like a shopping thing? Leisurely day. I love a dress. I love things that I don't have to work very hard for. So a dress with some shape, a cool neckline. I love now that my hair is short. I love a halter neckline. It also makes my arms look a little better. I also have weak shoulders. So these are all things I think about. So have a lot of. Please, all the things I don't have. I love, like people that hate broad shoulders. I'm like, I would love a broad shoulder. I'm sure I'd complain about it if I had.
- [35:35]
A
I. I have broad shoulders and an A cup, so I can switch anytime.
- [35:42]
B
So I love a good dress, like a pruenza, you know, just like some texture. I love a barrel pant. I love a cool pant, preferably cropped because I'm short, because that's usually my go to like travel fit. I'm not a big sweatpants or legging person. I just find them incredibly uncomfortable. I would prefer to wear a trouser than a legging any day. Like, to me, that is hell. I hate a tight waistband. I just hate clothes sticking to me.
- [36:08]
A
I agree. There's something about having clothes, like just being able to feel your clothes, especially around your waist. That's just not for me. But everyone I've been, I've been on the low rise pants wave for a very long time, even throughout my pregnancy because I was like, people that are putting stuff over their belly, I'm like, I can't. So I, I love a low rise. These like super high waisted jeans. I'm like, how can you even sit down comfortably?
- [36:35]
B
And for me, I have a short torso. So yeah, like if I put on a high waist, it's gonna be at my boobs.
- [36:42]
A
Yeah.
- [36:42]
B
So I have to be very cognizant of that. But yeah, cannot do a legging like even to work out. I'd rather do like a one piece thing and just have nothing. I feel like those are my go to's all. Yeah. Usually my travel is like some type of trouser and a blazer. I feel like me, but I'm comfortable. It's the ultimate comfort. I can have like a tank top on underneath. I can do a little loafer. That's, that's been my go to.
- [37:06]
A
For people that are trying to find their signature style, what questions should they ask themselves?
- [37:12]
B
Actually have a great little game they can play. Now they have to have some pictures of themselves. But this is something I did like two years ago and I did it on YouTube if they want to watch. And it was like, I just rated my best and worst outfits of the year. But I went back and looked at pictures. So you can go on your Instagram if you post. You can just go in your photos app and pick out maybe your five favorite outfits and your five least favorite outfits and then go through why those are what they are typically. You will see some commonalities. Right. For me, things that I loved, I was like, you know, when you're out and you're like, where else can I go? Like, we got to keep the party going. Like, I look good, more people need to see me. Those outfits probably have things in common. For me, they're typically neutrals. They typically have some type of strong shoulder or a blazer or a jacket or something cool. I feel very effortless. It could be the similar type of shoe things that I was like, I can't wait to get home and take this off. Oh my God, why did I wear this? Like, I'm very much regretting this. Right. Are things that aren't my typical style. They're very loosey goosey. They were too flowy with not enough balance. They were a brighter color and I was just trying to have fun and you know, do something different. Or they typically have things in common where I'm like, okay, enough, enough of Trying things. Yeah, I know what I like. And that's okay. And it's okay to just buy what you like.
- [38:32]
A
Yeah, I agree. Can I tell you something my husband always says to me, and I'm like, just, you need to take this out of your mind. He says, don't you have something like that already when we're shopping? Yes, I do. And that's why I'm. And I like it.
- [38:45]
B
And another option, but it takes. It takes. It took me a while because I also felt like, well, it's my job to show people the things, so I need to try all the things. And it's like, but not if I hate myself, not if I'm miserable. Like, hey, I don't do well with prints. That's just what it is. If it is a print, it's going to be subtle. It's going to be a micro print. That's just all I can give you. I'm so sorry. There's someone over there that can give you everything else. I can give you some feathers, I can give you some sparkle.
- [39:13]
A
Right.
- [39:13]
B
I'm not giving you head to toe
- [39:16]
A
color and polka dots.
- [39:19]
B
I don't love it for me. And I'm never going to wear it. Then it's a waste. And then I'm not going to do my job of reworking it and restyling it and inspiring you. Right. Because we're never going to see it again. So let me just. This is. Okay. I'm going to buy another black blazer. Yes, I am. Another pair of cropped jeans. Yes, I am another loafer. That's what I like.
- [39:37]
A
One trap that I realized that I was falling into. As I did, I did a whole audit of my closet, what I was wearing. I go on vacation and I start to get this, like, vacation brain where I start to. I'm like, I suddenly become this, like, bohemian hippie woman that, like, I'm not her in real life. And I buy all of this stuff and then I bring it home and I'm like, why did I buy all this stuff? It's not even who I am.
- [40:00]
B
Can I tell you? Resort wear is. It's my Achilles heel. It is my. I am not good at it, which is why I don't vacation a lot. People are always like, oh, you know, when are you going to take a break? I want to be in the city. I'm a city girl. I don't want to be on the beach. I have nothing to wear. But right now, I am literally trying to curate. And I'm doing It just slowly. It's just when I see something, I'm like, I have nothing planned, but I'm just going to start finding piece at a time of things I love because I've been on enough vacations to know, like, there's one thing I'm wearing or I really like. But it's so difficult to figure out who that version of you is because, like, for me, I have a boho side. It's very specific, right. It's. It's not full Bohemian Rhapsody, but it's like, oh, I like a little chunky wedge and paired with like a little flowy top. But sometimes I've taken it too far. So my vacation, I've learned I'm not really like a swimsuit and a cover up type of person. I have so many swimsuits, I rarely wear them. I am a cutout dress person. Right. I'm. I want to be able to take that outfit to lunch and then I could just lay out a little bit. And if I want to take my dress off and I have a swimsuit underneath that's more realistic. I'm not wearing a sarong. I'm not wearing, like, just a big cover up in my bikini. That's not. And I'm not doing any color again. I'm not doing a crazy print. Like, let's just be for real. I literally just bought a Norma Kamali, like, strapless one piece, and then it had this beautiful, like, sheer shawl that, like, went all the way to the ground. And I'm like, that's me. I have nowhere to go but let me buy this. So when the time comes, this is how I want. Like, I want to lounge in this and then I want to put this cover up on and go eat. Yeah. And lounge around. But this reminds me of, like, something I would wear around my house. Right. It was giving, you know, grand. And I'm like, this is me. Like, let's be realistic.
- [42:03]
A
Yes. Well, Norma Kamali, friend of the pod. She was on the podcast a few months ago. I feel like Norma Kamali is just such a great hack in general for finding great items at a great price point. And they're going to make it in every single color. So whatever your colors are, you can find it.
- [42:18]
B
Yeah. And mine is black and yours is black. I also just bought. I also realized, I think finding brands is helpful too.
- [42:26]
A
Yes. What brands do you like?
- [42:29]
B
I love Norma Kamali. I love Christopher Esber. He does a lot of, you know, it's light fabrics, but it's ruching and it makes me feel very confident, but it's cut out, so I feel like this is somewhere appropriate. But it's not too much skin where I feel exposed. I just bought like a little two piece that's very. Like, I would wear a swimsuit under that, but this looks like an outfit and that's just my vibe. That's. That's where we are.
- [42:54]
A
Well, the sunglasses of it all. I have my, my full box of my 12pm studios shades here. I love all of them so much, but glasses really do complete the look. As you were looking to expand your empire, what made you think, okay, I'm going to start with eyewear?
- [43:11]
B
You know, it kind of just became my signature thing. And it's so funny. Like, I didn't grow up thinking, like, eyewear's my thing, but when I started going to fashion weeks, it really became armor. I was in very unfamiliar territory. I was very self conscious and I was very, like, on the go. So it became a. Like, it's too early for eye makeup. I need sunglasses. You know, people are taking my pictures. I'm uncomfortable. I need sunglasses. Like, I don't know anybody in this room. I need sunglasses so people don't see me staring at them. It literally just became a, like, I need sunglasses. Like, I remember my manager was like, I need you to take a picture without sunglasses so brands can see your face. And I was like, oh.
- [43:48]
A
But I will say that is. We know now. Like, I guess behind the scenes, people know that's why Anna Wintour wears sunglasses all the time, because she doesn't want people reading her facial expressions and, like, it's her armor. So it makes sense. I get it.
- [44:02]
B
Yeah, it's. But it just like, kind of happened that way where, like, I was never, like, I never had this huge collection, but it was just like when I started going to especially Milan in Paris, I was just like, I just need some privacy. I need to get my thoughts together. I'm very uncomfortable, so I just need to be behind something. And then again, people would always come to me, like, you know, you got to start a brand. What are you going to do? Like, what's the thing? And there was just nothing I loved enough. As much as I love clothes, I've always been an accessory person, a add on, you know, an extra. But most of my clothes are pretty simple, right? Even when I, like, would do collections with people or partnerships, it was always staples and essentials and basics. I'm giving you cool T shirts or cool tops or sets or jackets or blazers or. But These are basics. Right. So I'm like, I don't have anything innovative enough. Not that it has to be. You know, people make essential brands every day, but I don't think that would get me out of bed in the morning. And then I kind of just started thinking, no, actually, there was one summer. Has to be, like, three or four summers ago, and I just went to buy a pair of sunglasses, and I was like, when did sunglasses become $700?
- [45:10]
A
I know.
- [45:11]
B
And that. Or more.
- [45:12]
A
Or more.
- [45:14]
B
Yeah, there was a pair. Actually, there was a pair that were $1,000. That was probably what did it.
- [45:18]
A
Yeah. Was it Jacques Marie Maj?
- [45:20]
B
No, it was ysl. It was like, the big window. And I was like, when did this happen? This used to be my, like, fun little. You know, I didn't think that hard about buying a new pair of sunglasses. Right. It would just be like, oh, let me. I'm always looking like, oh, let me get those. And I was like, that's crazy. And I was like, I would be interested in, like. I feel like this can be done at a better price point. And that's kind of how this started. And it was more of a. Like, people are getting priced out of this. And I don't. I don't like that. I. This was always, you can't buy a full Gucci outfit, but you could probably buy some Gucci sunglasses, or you could ask for it as a gift, or you could save a few checks a little bit from a few checks and treat yourself. And it's like, well, now nobody can just save a little anything and buy 700 sunglasses. Like, this is a big commitment now for what it is. And, like, it just. I don't think it has to be this. And comes to find out, it does it.
- [46:14]
A
Yes. And, you know, hearing you talk about it reminds me of even when I was developing my fragrance, Naked Beauty. I love Le Labo fragrances, and I love Byredo fragrances, but they're so expensive. And I was like, I know that I can make a really chic signature fragrance that is not. That is under $100. And I felt really excited when we could price it at 88. And I was also very excited when I saw you using the Naked Beauty fragrance in your closet.
- [46:38]
B
I love it. It's so beautiful. It's so bright. It's so, like, everything. It's, like, sexy, but bright and pretty and so well done.
- [46:47]
A
Yes.
- [46:47]
B
I mean, also, like, you just do things the right way. The branding, it's just all top tier.
- [46:54]
A
Thank you. Well, I know you Worked with Madison as well, who we love. Another. Another friend of the pod. Yeah. I think you're such. You're so intentional with your looks and your outfit. So it makes sense that everything about the 12pm brand is very intentional for people that, like, can't figure out the right eyewear shape for their face. What. What recommendations do you have? Because I feel like I'm all over the map. I like a little oval. I love. I love an aviator lens.
- [47:19]
B
I would start with kind of a staple kind of style. Also just depends on your style. Like, do you like oversized or you, you know, like something a little more classic. I feel like our two styles that are kind of universal are the London that is just kind of, like, simple, and it comes with, like, this has a kind of a nude lens, but we have it with a brown lens. If you want something that. They all have a uv, but if you want something that gives you a little more privacy. But that one is kind of universal because if you, you know, don't want something too statement or too dramatic or, you know, that's kind of a universal thing. I think Milan is great on everyone. I always say that one is your favorite, the oval one. And I also love the Milan that was one of our slowest sellers when we launched. And I was like, people just don't realize that this is a necessity. Right? You're going to be going to a wedding one day. You're going to be going to, you know, some outdoor brunch, gala thing during the day, and your cool statement sunnies are not going to cut it. Right? You need a little glamour. You need. So I feel like that's also a good one, but also just going in a store, like, we're not in a store yet. But even if you just want to try on things to, like, see what you like on your face, because for me and you probably you. You wear sunglasses all the time. Like, I can spot a sunglass and be like, oh, that. That's my vibe. That's kind of like what I'm into. But most people can't do that. So you need to kind of like, try on and be like, okay, I like more of an aviator. I like something a little, like, oval. Or, you know, maybe you like the quirky things, like a Copenhagen, which is like our big one that's brown and it has, like, you know, the marbling on. And it's a lot going on. But some people, like, they only want a lot. So, yeah, I think you need to try on, if you can.
- [48:59]
A
Trying on is is so important. I'm such a big advocate for going into store, not just doing everything online. Like, you have to touch and feel and see and move and the whole thing. Now your beauty, you're just the makeup again. It's always so flawless. I feel like you kind of have a signature makeup look as well.
- [49:16]
B
I do.
- [49:17]
A
Give us the rundown. You know, we want all the details.
- [49:19]
B
This is my go to face. Let me show you my eyes. This is my go to. Like, I can do this in 30 minutes. Like, boom, boom, boom. And I think. But I can also do my makeup up to, like, two or three hours. I also learned that from Jackie. I'm always learning from her. And, like, other people that, like, really do makeup, because I remember interviewing her for Style Unlocked, and she was like, oh, my God, I've been getting ready since, you know, five or something. And we did the interview at, like, eight or nine, and I was just thinking to myself how I was like, you spent all that time doing your makeup. But also when she was sitting next to me, I was like, my makeup doesn't look like your makeup.
- [49:53]
A
Oh, Jackie, for. For people listening. I just need you to know that Jackie looks like she has a filter on in real life. Like, what you see on, like, doesn't
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B
even do it justice.
- [50:03]
A
It doesn't even do it justice. And it's. It. She. She truly looks so flawless, so airbrushed, so perfect. It's like people. People facetune their images to look like how Jackie looks in natural daylight.
- [50:17]
B
And it lasts. Actually, when we were filming, I said to her, your makeup looks so good. She said, it has been on since 8am and we were filming, I think, at 5. And that's why I was like, because mine is falling off my face. So maybe I shouldn't try to do it in 45 minutes. I should do what you did. But my go to, I always start with Bobbi Brown face base and eye base. I'm dry skin. I have eczema, so we always need to hydrate. I love House Labs Foundation. Also super hydrating. Great coverage. Great, like, sh. Undertones. Love it. I've been. I think I've used it for the last two years. I love it. Concealer. I'm a NARS girl. It's just. It's just good eyebrows. I love benefit brows also. It's really the only brow product I've ever used. And then I use Westman Atelier Cream Bronzer.
- [51:05]
A
Okay. The Westman Atelier Cream Bronzer stick.
- [51:08]
B
Yes. Love it, love it. Again, all of, like, all of my, like, cream products are really important to my situation because I also love a matte face, so I have to hydrate so that I don't look, you know, crusty by the end. Love Danessa Myricks. Her blush.
- [51:26]
A
Okay. The one that's, like, in the little pot.
- [51:28]
B
In the little pot, yes. And my current favorite one is spiced latte, which is just such a. Like, not pink. Pink. Like a pinky brown. So it kind of gives you, like, a bronze with a little rose. It's beautiful.
- [51:43]
A
Yes. This conversation is making me excited to put makeup. I'm like, I want to put makeup on right now. It's just. It's so fun. It's like you're painting your face. This is what people need to understand. It's so fun.
- [51:54]
B
It's so fun. I really love it. Powders, Dior, bronzer, this nars blush, little situation. It's all you need. Okay. So good.
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A
That bright pink is phenomenal.
- [52:08]
B
It's so good. This is all I travel with. This is basically all my travel stuff. So it's like the stuff I have to have. I typically sat with, like, Mac mineralized skin finish and sprays. Gotta have Charlotte Tilbury and Danessa Myricks both.
- [52:22]
A
I just same combo. So for people listening audio, it's the Charlotte Tilbury airbrush setting spray and then the Danessa Myricks. What's that one called? The matting blurring
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B
liquid.
- [52:37]
A
The mattifying blurring balm. That combo is the combo because I used to do the one size setting spray, and now I do the Tilbury. Look at us on the same exact journey.
- [52:48]
B
I'll finish my face, I'll do the Charlotte, and then I'll do my eyes and just let everything marinate together while I'm doing my eyes, and then finish with the Danessa. This is longevity right here. That's the combo. Yeah. And I just recently tried a new lip, but, yeah, that's that little. Oh, my God. You know what else this do I have it. It is a Patrick Ta ey shadow. Because I hate having to bring. I usually have to bring a lot of eyeshadows with me to, like, get a nice eye look. This is your, like, 90s smoky.
- [53:20]
A
I have this palette. It's so the fact that we use so many of the same products is amazing to me.
- [53:25]
B
I use that palette for brown. Like, I can never find a palette that has, like, a good brown, a good transition, say, and a black. Like, because I use this as my liner, I can never.
- [53:35]
A
Yes, yes.
- [53:36]
B
An hourglass Powder. I have to say this. If you are. Have mature skin, if you have under eye creasing fine lines, I highly, highly recommend the translucent setting powder. The mineral veil. I use medium. It is like silk. It has a little like, pearlescence to it. It is the best thing for mature skin.
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A
Okay.
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B
Like, I was getting to a point where, like, everything was cracking, everything was creasing. No matter, you know, if I was looking up, if I was setting it immediately and I'm just like, hey, what's going on? I'm like, oh, you're getting older, so that's okay.
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A
I need to check out that product. And then the skin, the skin, the skin, the skin, the skin. Because you have gorgeous skin as well. So give me just like, give me your. Give me your top three in terms of like, what's really changed your skin and keeps your skin looking on point.
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B
Because I'm a creature of habit. And I'll say first and foremost, genetics.
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A
Yeah.
- [54:28]
B
I will say that I've never really had acne. I've never really. Like when I was younger, I never had skin issues besides being like eczema. So I always had like eczema patches. And that was typically on my body. My go to. I only. I think I only brought three for now. When I have issues. This La Roche Posay Adapalene gel. If I get a pimple, if I get anything, this is what I use.
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A
Okay?
- [54:52]
B
10 out of 10. A little spot, little dot at night, you wake up in the morning, it's pretty much gone every time. And then this is actually a new thing. This little everything is about hydration for me. This little mist from Fenty skin doing plump and also the tower 28. It like kind of like disinfects your face. Those are my, like, lazy hacks when I just. And then the wise exfoliating pads when I think.
- [55:18]
A
So once you go to the wise Y se from our friend Molly Sims, Once you start using those exfoliating pads, that little finger pocket that they have has changed my life. I can't use another exfoliating pad.
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B
But I feel like that has been the biggest game changer in my skin probably in the last year because I started using those last summer and I feel like it just does. And I also haven't had a facial probably since last summer, and that just does everything it needs to do and then just, you know, sunscreen and things like that. But I don't really use anything besides that I use. I love, like, cuddly, you know, the little drops, the white drops, those Help. But it's really about hydration for me. I'm just so dry. It's like a desert on my face.
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A
I am also a dry skin girly. So I understand. You're so busy. You work a lot. How do you relax? How do you unwind?
- [56:08]
B
I am. I like to call myself, like, a cinephile. I love tv. I love film. I love just, like, good writing and, like, great acting. I just. That's. That's what I do. Like, I love to just be on the couch. I don't need to leave my house. You know, I love to be with the people when I need to. But I love watching a good movie. I love watching a good show. I love finding a new series.
- [56:32]
A
Yes. Wait, what are you watching now? Because I need inspiration. I feel like all my shows ended. I'm like, I'm in between shows now.
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B
I'm watching Imperfect Women.
- [56:41]
A
Okay. Is that good?
- [56:43]
B
Oh, 10 out of 10.
- [56:45]
A
Really? Okay, I must watch.
- [56:48]
B
And it just got to the good part. So, like, if you start now, you can get all, you know, because the, you know, they're setting up the story. But the last episode, I was screaming at the TV for like, the last five seconds. And it's, you know, kind of like a whodunit. But very good acting. What else? I mean, I'm a gilded age girl. I love history. Also same.
- [57:05]
A
I love Gilded Age.
- [57:07]
B
And I just love to, like, look up all the stories. Like, when things are happening, I'm like, oh, who's that person? Is that person real? Or, like, when did this happen? Or what? Where was that at? Like, what building? Is that in New York now? I love that.
- [57:19]
A
Yes.
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B
So Gilded Age, of course. Paradise.
- [57:22]
A
Okay. I just started paradise and I'm like, I don't know if this shows for me. It feels a little. I don't know.
- [57:27]
B
Well, it depends on what you like. I am a sci fi. Okay. So I love anything spooky.
- [57:35]
A
Yes.
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B
Did you watch the World Is Ending?
- [57:38]
A
Yes. Did you watch Pluribus?
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B
I tried now that I could not.
- [57:43]
A
Okay, so that was like the most sci fi thing I watched this year. I was like, let me go out of my comfort zone and watch like, a really big sci fi thing. And I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it, but it felt. It felt outside of my comfort zone.
- [57:55]
B
Yeah. Just. I couldn't. I couldn't stay into it. I was just like, I don't get what is happening. I don't know if this is supposed to be funny. Yeah, I couldn't. I had a hard time.
- [58:08]
A
Well, as we Kind of move into summer. What is the mindset that you're carrying with you into the second half of the year? What's what. What's the energy you're bringing into the summer?
- [58:19]
B
The energy, honestly, right now, and I feel like this probably just started last week is like saying, yes, more. That's my, you know, I. I'm trying to pull myself out of this. Like, protect your peace. Just do you know what you're comfortable doing? And like. And just like, you know what, let's just take more opportunities. Let's say yes. Let's try the things. Let's go to the places. Let's just do some things we wouldn't normally do. And that comes with, like, all things, but, like, even things for my business or opportunities that come. It doesn't always have to be what I thought it was going to be, you know, like, oh, we should only participate in this kind of stuff. Or, you know, as a creator, I want to go to these type of things, but, like, just being more open to new experiences and saying yes and just opening my world a little bit, I feel like, because there's always so many things happening, I kind of got into a mode of like, well, I don't need to be everywhere. I don't need to be doing all the things, which I don't. But it kind of made me not go anywhere or do any of the things.
- [59:10]
A
I'm like, that's where I'm at now. I'm at the, like, I actually just need to sit inside for very special, select occasions. I will leave. But it's just. But also it's like I've just got. I just feel I get overstimulated, you know, it's like, it's a very real impulse, like, to just seclude yourself.
- [59:27]
B
And it's just certain type of people I'm not. I always tell people I have to turn it on. I am someone. When I'm out with my friends, I can be out all night. I want to keep the fun going. I love this. Like, I don't want the night to end. I'm like, where do we go next? Let's do this, let's do that. But when it's something I have to work at a little bit, and it's new people and new interactions. One, I'm. How I'm perceived is important to me. So I'm trying to put my best foot forward and I want to come across the right way. So I have to get it up. That takes a lot. I'm an only Child, I'm used to talking to myself in my head, so it's just like a lot to be in those places.
- [60:03]
A
You saying I have to get it up in. In relation to preparing yourself for a social situation is the funniest thing I've ever heard. But also like these influencer events, like, let's talk about it, like, they're not always, like, they look fun online and people are taking all the pictures, but some of like just influencer gatherings, it's very awkward. It's not. It's not giving friendly all the time. It's just kind of like it looks fun online. It's designed to look fun online, but it's. Sometimes it's not fun in person.
- [60:33]
B
No. And it's a lot of effort to be there and attend and do the thing. Because this is all an exchange. Right. You want me there because you want labor out of me. That's what you're hoping for. So it's also like, again, I got to show up, I got to get it up, I got to turn it on. I got to work the room, I got to take the pictures, I got to get the content and do that stories and eat the food and drink the drink and do the cheers. And it's. It's a lot so that I'm still very like, is this a brand I want to work with? Is this a brand I've already worked with? Is this relationship I'm trying to maintain? If this is just a. Because people in New York and la, some people just love to be outside.
- [61:07]
A
Love it.
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B
You can have it. I have champagne at home.
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A
Right.
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B
Okay.
- [61:12]
A
Right.
- [61:12]
B
So still. I'm still very intentional about that. But then there's other things that, that will come in my inbox. So I'm like, huh, that could be fun. You know, that could be fun. Oh, loosen up a little bit. Let's.
- [61:22]
A
Yes.
- [61:23]
B
See what that's about.
- [61:24]
A
Yeah.
- [61:25]
B
So we're on the opposite.
- [61:26]
A
Yeah. I hope to get. I think after my. After some, you know, really dedicated seclusion time, I'll get back to where you are. Of being like, let me. Let me entertain it. Let me see. Maybe I'll go and it will surprise me.
- [61:36]
B
There's also something every day. So it's also like, hey, no one was designed to party every cause I also need to do my job. Yes.
- [61:47]
A
Yeah. The daytime events, the, the luncheons, the. It's like, when are we working?
- [61:53]
B
When are we working? I know I need to work. Actually, I will be at home and I need to look ugly today. Please yes.
- [62:01]
A
We need those days. We need those days. My final question for you, I ask all of my guests, when do you feel most beautiful?
- [62:10]
B
Oh, this is such a good question. When do I feel most beautiful? I feel like there's different times again. I love the beauty stuff, so I love the transformation. Like, I feel beautiful, yes, when I wake up, but I also love, like, when I haven't done my makeup in a couple of days, and I'm like, oh, there she is. Oh, wow. Like, look at you, girl. So I feel like both. I feel like I just got over, like, a cold. So then that's always fun to, like, put yourself back together. Like, yeah, let's do these brows. Let's shave this mustache. Let's get ourselves back together. Like, there she is.
- [62:47]
A
Yes, I remember her. Yes, yes, yes. You appreciate. It's like you. It's like you getting back to going into events. It's like you appreciate it that much more when there's been some downtime. Yeah.
- [62:57]
B
Yeah.
- [62:58]
A
Well, it's been so much fun talking to you. You are just. You're also, like, in addition to being great at fashion and hair and makeup, you're also just so, like, funny and fun and entertaining all on your own, like, just the. The Janae Naylor Show. Like, I'm tuned in. It's been so, so great to talk with you, and thank you so much, and we're, like, rooting for you to do all the things.
- [63:18]
B
Thank you so much. I always appreciate your support. I'm so grateful, and I'm here to support anything you need.
- [63:23]
A
Thank you, Janae.
- [63:24]
B
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