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Foreign. Hello. Hello, it's Brooke Devard, and you're listening to the Naked Beauty Podcast. And if you're joining us here on YouTube, you are watching the Naked Beauty Podcast. I love people that come to the YouTube and leave comments. Love to see all the YouTube commenters. Thank you so much for watching. Subscribe to the podcast if you're not subscribed. I am so excited about my guest, Molly Sims. But before we get into Molly, I just have to say I have survived a whirlwind week. I was in Atlanta for a single day to present to the Delta team at their social summit. I got to see my brother and my cousin who live in Atlanta, went back to la, got on another plane to go to Park City, Utah, for the very last Sundance that's going to be in Park City. It's moving to Boulder. And it just really reminded me how much I absolutely love independent films. I love short films. I love documentary. I love, like, obscure. Just like these are not the films that you get to see streaming on Netflix. I hope most of the films that I saw make it out of the festival, but I just loved seeing all of these incredible movies. And I specifically loved seeing films made by young black filmmakers from the diaspora. Sundial, which is the parent company that I work for in my other other job, sponsored a panel with all of these amazing African or women of the diaspora, some of them born here in the US some of them born in Kenya, some of them born in Nigeria, some of them born in Liberia, native that had films at the festival. And I walked away from that conversation so absolutely inspired. And I'm like, wait, what film am I going to make? Like, that's now where my mind has gone. I love podcasting. I'll always love podcasting, but I'm really eager to do more in the film space. Ran into friend of the Pod Alameda, founder of Topicals on the ground at Sundance. So we got to hang out. Erica Chidi, also friend of the pod, was there. It was such a wonderful, wonderful, wonderful festival. Then I went to New York, and I got back from New York yesterday. So I've been on six different flights in the past week. But I'm here, I am standing and I am so excited for today's guest, Molly Sims. Now, I learned about Molly Sims from MTV's House of Style. She was the host from 2000 to 2002. So she has always been iconic to me. But let's get a little bit into her background. She's an actress, podcaster. She's an incredible podcast Called Lipstick on the rim. Model, mother, producer and founder of Wise Beauty, Molly got discovered when she was in college and she went on to model for brands like Chanel, Michael Kors, and Victoria's Secret. Now she also modeled for Sports Illustrated because famously, she wore a $30 million bikini. I remember that made so much news. She left the modeling industry for an acting career and has successfully pivoted into new industries since, including production and beauty. Molly's leveraged her star power and transparency to build communities across Instagram, YouTube, and segment Substack. I'm also excited to talk to Molly about her extremely successful beauty brand Wise. From the COVID of Vogue to hundreds of Sephora doors, Molly Sims has never met a challenge that won't stop her. I'm so excited to welcome Molly Sims to Naked Beauty.
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B
I love Naked Beauty. I cannot wait to have you on my podcast. I'm so always wanted to come on here. I love your podcast. I just love how you speak about beauty and wellness in such a positive.
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And I love your podcast. And you know, we are in the same category at the I heart Podcast awards this year. Oh, my God. Are we best beauty where it's gonna be a lipstick on the rim, Naked beauty face off.
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B
We maybe should do something together.
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A
Yes. Are you gonna go to the awards show?
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B
We're gonna try.
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A
Yeah. It's nice to be in like an award show setting for podcasts. Cause, like, we just do our work in such a non glamorous way.
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B
I was just so happy this year at the Golden Globes, they honored podcasts, which was, you know, it's good, I think, look, it's become a real vertical. You know, a lot of people have podcasts. A lot of people. You know, I think it's great because I think it's just such a good space and I think it's just a way to connect and yeah, we've had a lot of fun. I can't believe it's been almost four years.
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A
Oh, my gosh. What do you love most about podcasting and talking to people about beauty?
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B
I think I get to go to school every week. Yeah, I know that sounds weird. I've always kind of been a curious child and I get to ask questions. I get to. I don't know. I think when Emisha and I started it, it was just a way for us to connect with our community, to really be transparent and not gatekeep. I think we've come a long way in the last four years. Just our society of, you know, not just keeping all these secrets and you know, what do women really do? What do they really want to talk about? I mean, whether it's beauty to perimenopause to plastic surgery. I don't know. I think that's probably the best part.
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A
Yeah. I mean, you came in here fresh from your microneedling appointment. The bruises under fingertips.
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B
Yeah. So I'm fully baked right now. I'm wearing my glasses. I did a microneedling Morpheus on Tuesday, like three or four days ago. And I have never bruised. I love microneedling, but I definitely have two black eyes, so I look like I got into a fight with Mike Tyson.
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A
I'm so excited to hear about all of the beauty treatments you do. But first, we're gonna go back to Murray, Kentucky, when you were a little girl. One, what was it like growing up in Kentucky? I don't think I've ever interviewed someone from Kentucky, so I need to hear what it was like growing up there. And then two, I'm really curious if you felt beautiful growing up.
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B
Okay. Murray, Kentucky. We are on the western part, the tip of Kentucky going towards the west. I was in the western part of Kentucky. We're about an hour and 45 minutes from Nashville and about three or four hours up near Louisville and Lexington, pretty much in the middle of nowhere. My mom and my dad owned a book company, and they would buy back college kids books when their professors would say, this first edition is now a third edition or a second edition or a fourth edition. And my dad would be the one who would give you $20 for your book that you bought for $100.
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Yes.
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So my parents traveled a lot, so that was a way for me to kind of be informed. All the college girls, what were they doing, what were they wearing? And then, you know, through the magazines, Mary Claire, Vogue, Harper's, Lucky ym. You know, I just. I was pretty innocent, you know, I didn't have. My mom did always care about beauty. She was very striking. She took extremely good care of herself. She would walk four miles in the morning pretty much every morning of my life. She was a pretty. She was a baller.
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A
I wish I could do that now. I just don't have the discipline.
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B
It's very hard. I don't know how. And then she would also cook supper. And I think I was. It was very free, you know, a lot more freedom then than now. I had a moped. I thought it was the shit. And it was yellow. It had a flag. And I lived on a meridian, kind of culdesac. And I would always go and visit. I've always liked. Sounds so weird that I'm saying this, but I've always kind of bonded with elderly people. And so I would go and visit all my neighbors who were in their 80s and I don't know, I would just sit and talk to them and check on them and, you know, ride back. Yeah, it was very idyllic in a way. You know, I think, yes. You had, you know, the milk carton with Ms. Like, it. But it wasn't like today.
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A
There was no social media.
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B
There was no social media, no cell phones. My dad, when we were in high school, I never could figure out why the telephones didn't work past 10 o'.
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A
Clock.
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B
I'm like, I think something's wrong with our phone. Like what? And he literally did like a kill switch, unplugged everything. Exactly. But it was, you know, I had an older brother or I have an older brother. He's 18 months old. We lived, you know, an hour from 45 minutes from the lakes, which were beautiful. I grew up on a lake and I could water ski and, you know, it was just, it was very outdoors. A lot of things were outdoors. Sports were big for my parents and my brother ended up being a pro golfer. I was a swimmer.
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A
I was a swimmer also. Another. Another similarity we have. That's why I have my broad shoulders now. I'm like, all this is a backstroke.
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B
Backstroke was my.
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A
Wow.
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B
Yeah, I finally had to because it was. I was starting to look like a quarterback who played football and wasn't going to the Olympics. But no, it was definitely. It was a fun. It was a good childhood.
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A
Yes. And so now where does modeling come in?
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B
I grew up going to public school. I graduated from Murray High School. I went to Vanderbilt.
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A
You were pre law, right?
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B
I was pre law. I never met a date line that I did not like. I love you, Ellen Jackson, if you're listening, I have a subscription to Court tv. Still, I don't know. I always wanted to be a lawyer. I thought possibly I would go into political law. But after spending in between my freshman and sophomore year, I spent three months on the Hill in D.C. and realized I might not want to go into political law. It was a little, I don't know, dry, which is a lot of red tape, and seemed not to get anything done. Yes, modeling. How did it come in? Look, I've been my height since I've been in eighth grade. I'm almost 5:10. People would say, oh, have you ever thought about it? But it was so foreign. You have to Understand, I'm in the middle of nowhere. I went to school. I did two years at Vanderbilt. I ended up getting some pictures taken and they got sent to New York randomly. And then my mom and I flew up there to meet the agencies and I thought, okay, I'm just gonna do this for a few weeks. And then, you know, I was actually planning on spending part of my junior year abroad. And then my agent was like, well, would you wanna take a semester off and just try it? And I'm like, there's no way. So I went from being a sorority girl Southern to thrown into. I first went to Germany. It was the era of heroin chic. Corinne Day at her best with Kate Moss. It was very difficult for me. I was not, you know, £90 and I was not. It was. I did not fit that mold.
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A
I think the other. You mentioned Corinne Day and Kate Moss, that cover of the face she shot. How old was Kate Moss? 15 years old. I mean, people were.
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B
She was a child. 15 or 16.
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Yeah, a child. And at this point, you're in college. That's the other thing. I think now there are, like, age limits. Like, I think the CFDA has come through to say, like, you have to be, I think at least, what, 16 to model.
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B
Now I think it's 16 to walk.
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To walk. But it used to be. It was just totally normalized. You would have, especially from eastern Europe, just 13, 12 year olds in Prada campaigns. Like, you know, it was kind of an insane time before it was more regulated and eating disorders were not regulated. Like, they didn't care about people being too thin. That was not a sentence.
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B
No, no. They wanted you to be thin.
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A
Right.
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B
Like, it wasn't. I mean, you could not be thin. It was mandatory. Oh, yeah. They would check you, they would weigh you. I would, you know, I got asked to go get your jeans. I mean, very humiliated at certain points in my life.
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A
Do you feel like you were thrown into it with, like, some guidance? Are you happy that you were at least a little bit older?
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B
I think I would.
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A
I'm incredibly young, but.
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B
Right. I think I wouldn't have been able to make it had I started earlier. You know, I barely made it. My mom was a very big factor and my dad and me even lasting. I mean, they would just say just two more days or one more week, just try it. And then you can always come home and go back to school. They're very good like that. And I know everybody wants their kids to go to college, and I know there's a great path to it. But there also are other paths. And I think, you know, we put a lot of pressure on our kids to have to be a certain thing. You can cut that pie and that recipe, as I just said a little while ago, can be. Can be a lot of different ways. I didn't go back. I actually found my letter to Vanderbilt and postcards to my mom and my dad saying I might could make it. I might could make a little money in this business, because that's what it is.
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It's a business.
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So whether you're 12, 14, 17, 20, 21, like I was, it is a business. You are having people make money off of your face and your body.
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Yes. And what did that do to your psychological relationship with your image? Seeing it as this product?
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B
I think that was the hardest thing because I never looked at myself as having a crooked nose. I never thought I was heavy. I never thought I was muscular. I was never categorized in the way that I was thrown in. Look. Yes. Did I always, you know, watch, you know. You know, But I started to grow up and. But my mom lived off the farm, and it was never about weight until it was. And that very much threw me, you know, the constant dieting, the constant pressure of being, you know. Your measurements. It's funny, I had to take measurements the other day, and I swear to God, my hand started sweating. I'm like.
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A
Took you back.
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Yeah. I was doing my globes fitting, and my seamstress was. Katie wasn't there. She was really sick. And I hadn't had measurements in so long, and I just. That feeling, like, just. Ugh. Yeah.
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A
Well, but also, you were a very successful model. Like, you made it to the top. And I first encountered you on your time at mtv, not House of Style. Actually, I first. First encountered you on the spring break. Was it Cancun?
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It's funny, I was literally just. Someone just asked me what was the best moment of mtv.
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It was Cancun.
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B
It was Shaggy. Cancun.
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Shaggy.
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I mean, it was fucking epic. It was amazing. I was in awful pink shorts. Probably the last time I ever wore pink shorts. But I listen, that was a great time. That tv, that era can never be replicated. It can never be replicated.
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Yeah. Did you feel like you transitioned really seamlessly into being a personality? Because this is a different skill set. Right.
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B
I think, you know, I had modeled at that point for four or five years. I think I was starting to itch a little bit. I. You know, again, the pressure of just what you look like was starting to get to Me a little bit, because I would always want to talk. Always want to talk and say my opinion. But do I think it was seamless? I think I was at the right place at the right time. I think, you know, as much as I loved living in Europe, I had started working back in New York. I lived at that point in Germany, London for two years, Paris for three. And then I was, you know, going back very regularly from New York at that point, and I felt like, I can make it in New York at that point. You know, you were always told you can't make it in the States until you go to Europe. But I think, you know, I had a pretty good book. I'd made the COVID of Vogue for French Vogue, and I was. I could start to work. Right. 99, 90. I could possibly make it in the States.
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A
Yeah. Were there any, like, celebrities, musicians, rock stars that you met during that time that feel very, like, quintessential to late 90s, early 2000s?
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B
Oh, girl, met them all.
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A
Did you ever hang out with Lenny Kravitz? I mean, I'm obsessed with Lenny Kravitz now.
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B
I'm obsessed with Lenny Kravitz. I was obsessed with Lenny Kravitz now. He's not aged. He's like. I don't even know, like, what peptides.
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He'S on, but drop the peptide routine.
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B
It's amazing. Don't hold back every way.
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A
When did you start?
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Children are amazing, right? I don't know. He's just, like, so sexy, so gorgeous. But, like, you know, I grew up loving Prince. I love, you know, Madonna.
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A
Did you get to meet Prince?
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You know, I don't know that I ever did, but, like, the Backstreet Boys, NSync. It was just a different. It was a different time.
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Sure, sure. Spice Girls.
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B
Ugh. Obsessed.
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There are rumors that there's going to be a reunion tour. And I'm like, I will be front row.
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B
I will be front row. And I love you, Victoria. Everything's gonna work out. Don't worry. He's gonna come back.
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A
As a mother to you have three kids. I have a son as well. Seeing all of this conversation happening is heartbreaking for me. It is.
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B
I would slit my wrists. I, like, I. You know, it is very difficult. And again, I know, you know, there's so much that plays into both sides, you know, from both his side, her side, their side. But it just really makes me sad. I'm hoping that one day, you know, I do think blood is thicker than water. Absolutely. And I think hopefully they can all be happy. It just kills me. It kills me just from, like, oh, my God, if Brooks ever disowned me, like, I don't even know what I would do.
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A
Right, Right. I think as moms, like, the story really hits different for us because you just can't, like, help but imagine you being in that situation and how devastating it would be. So you've done all of these career pivots, which is really admirable.
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B
Like a cat.
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A
Yeah. You can kind of go from one thing to the other. Like, you have a whole production part of your career. But I want to talk about wise beauty, because I think, you know, you've been around. We see so, so many products, and there is this feeling like, does the world need another thing? Do we need anything else? What. What could possibly be created that hasn't been created? But you saw a gap in the market, and you saw a real opportunity. How did everything come to you in terms of starting the brand?
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B
Look, I definitely think I was at a time in my life where I was ready. I wanted to be a part of something from inception, not just being the girl who held up the product, the face of something. Not that there was anything wrong with it. I've made an incredible living. I love. I still work with incredible clients, but I definitely wanted to be a part of something from the beginning. I also selfishly didn't want to go sit in a trailer in Atlanta and leave my three babies. That was also a little bit of. My husband is also in the entertainment business, and I just. We just couldn't be gone at the same time. And then you are trying to stay relevant. Right. You're trying to figure out. But also be a mom. And I had waited a really long time to be a mom. I'm 52. I have a nine year old. Right. So it just. It had different weight than it, you know, it does for some people because I had waited so long to have them and I met, you know, super a little bit later in life. Look, it came out of a problem. I had really bad hyperpigmentation when I had Brooks. I don't know if turning 40, he turned 1 and I don't know if age, sun, babies, hormones.
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A
I was gonna say. I think melasma is so common in pregnancy. Very few women escape pregnancy and all of those hormones without some changes to their skin.
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B
Mine were pretty bad, though. Mine were hyperpigmentation, melasma. I don't know. I just think it just became this roller coaster of me doing very strong actives, hydroquinone Peels, lasers. And I was just on this. And it was great fine. It was smooth, it was even. But then the downtime, you know, talk about bruising. I was always red, I was always irritated. I was always dry because I was constantly trying to, you know, exfoliate over, exfoliating under, exfoliating, overactives, like. And the moment I would go in the sun, I mean, it was over. And I just kept repeating this, you know, roller coaster until about 2019. My husband said I had a little dirt on my face. My face looked a little dirty because, like, today I'm pretty baked, right? Like, I'm not moving. And I would conceal. And for me, for so many years, no one ever knew I had skin issues. Because, you know, for the girl who leads with her face, the no makeup. Makeup look was very me. And it hurt my confidence. I was very insecure about my skin. I had three pregnancies pretty much back to back. My last baby was at 44. But then I just stopped everything. I stopped going to the dermot. I literally stopped everything. But not because I had anything. I just was like, oh, my God, something is not working.
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A
Yeah, you'd had enough.
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B
I'd had enough. And I started with one product, another product, another product. And then in 2020, I kind of had started, you know, Covid had just happened. I brought this box of Annie Blanche. I'm like, okay, try this one day a week. She's like, your skin looks really good. I'm like, I know. And so I would make her a box. I'm like, do this two days a week. Do this every single day. And I made her her own box. Then I made my friend Robin her box, my other next door neighbor. And about that time, I just. I wanted to do something. I just didn't know what. And the manager that I wanted to be with said I needed a five year plan.
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A
Okay.
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B
And out of that five year plan, they really, you know, kind of made me ask me questions like, is there any white space? Is there anything? And I was like, well, hold on a second. And if I look back at that time, there wasn't products for me, right? You're either derm, heavy, expensive, very strong, not pretty, or there was everything that I loved, you know, that wasn't working. Glossy, like I love. Like, that had no efficacy for me whatsoever. Everything was either spoken, like, through, oh, you're old and you're your grandmother. And that is how wise became wise. I don't believe in lines. When I first started, everybody was like, you gotta have a Brightening line, a clarifying line, an acting line, a dark line. I was like, that's not how I shop though.
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Right.
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So I shop. Holy grail. What can one product, like a woman, can it do a lot of things really well. And that is how I do my pd.
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A
Yes.
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B
And my pads, your favorite X pads. They're the single best pad on the market.
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A
Oh, I'm so excited.
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B
They are non drying. You can use them every single day. They don't smell like a hot dog. You're not going to rip your face off, but you are going to get smoother, better texture. You're going to have more even skin. And it's literally one pad a day. But again, I took those things that I loved. I loved this one product, but it would burn me, it smelled terrible.
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A
And I'm like, what's the product?
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B
It was. It's. It's not alive. They finally rip it. Biologic recherche.
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A
P57. Yeah. Why did I know you were going to say that? But they do their new. Well, it's not new, but the pigment 400, which is more gentle, doesn't have the phenol in it is great.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And people are like. People are like, I want the fennel.
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B
Look as bad as it was. It worked.
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A
It did.
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B
But then I would, you know, I would try other things. Glytone, which is like a brightening cream. Like no one even heard of, like certain brands that I would be like. And I didn't even know what I was doing when I was putting it together. Like skin food from Weleda.
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A
Oh, my gosh. Yes.
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B
It's amazing. So I would strip and then I would do the biologique. Then I would put skin food because I was trying to.
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A
To balance. Yes, yes, yes, yes.
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B
And so that is how, you know, morning cocktail. Why the vitamin C is so successful. There's incredible vitamin C's on the market. I think what makes ours really good is because I sat in a makeup chair for over 30 years and every makeup artist would say, can you please remove your skin care? We don't want it to pill under your makeup. Oh, yeah. So we made it weightless, we made it non sticky, we made it smell good, and it doesn't pill. It's the same with why the Overachiever? Eye patches are one of our best sellers. They don't move because I can't be horizontal with eye patches on. They slip down the moment I put them on. And I love gel eye patches, but I can't sit still long enough for them. To.
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A
I understand.
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B
So again, I think a lot of whys was born out of me being a model. Me sitting in a chair, me working with so many experts and then ingredients really getting in there. You know, you said in the beginning, why do we need another skincare? I believed you as well. I was one of the. We don't need it. So I did clinicals. So everything has clinicals behind it.
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A
Wow. Which is expensive. And a lot of people will say clinically tested, but they're just piggybacking off someone else's clinical research. Not doing it with their own product.
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B
No, you do it with your own product, with your own packaging, with your, you know, regulatory is really important to me. It's probably why we've made it right. You know, I started with five. I think I'm like one of the only ones left when I launched. But the clinicals you have to have, look, I can say use it all day long, but you have to have good product. You just have to. And like, you have to have a strong point of view. For me, I didn't feel that everything that I loved had to be $250. I feel that you can, you know, someone can have something beautiful that works. A lot of what I found when we were doing the ingredients and the raws, like a lot of it was just bought formulas that was literally just putting a label on it. I didn't know.
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A
Right. Packaging in pretty packaging. Right.
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B
But for me it wasn't because mine was also. So, you know, I had. And I still have cystic acne. So everything is non comedogenic. So there's just certain buckets that I had to check for it to work with me. I loved certain products, like my Skin Glow. Skin Glow got born why it's so successful? It got born out of me trying to find a sunscreen that I loved. And I always had this belief that if you find something you love to that's the one you're gonna use.
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A
Absolutely.
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And so I wanted. And because, as you know, when you use vitamin C, you have to use SPF every single day. So how could I make mine be the one you wanna use? It's not greasy. I mean, the younger girls can be greasy, but I can't be greasy. Right. I can't look like a disco ball. I need a little blurring. I need a little filter. And that's why Skinglow is so successful. So we put a lot into, like each product. It's not just the ingredients. How do those ingredients balance? People think something really really strong. If I can get any of my listeners and your listeners, more does not always mean better.
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A
That's true.
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B
And you know, just because you have access and trust me, I have a ton of access. I have two black eyes right now. But one day I'm gonna do real things and then I'll have the black eyes and I'll have different. No, but again, it just. You raise those actives, you raise the harshness, and you're dry, red and irritated. And I promise you, you look older. I look older. I look younger now at 52 than I did at 42 because you're being.
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A
So much more gentle with your skin now.
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B
Call me the barrier queen, but I'm the barrier Queen because I want makeup to stay on your face. Look, everyone loves a good microdealing. Everybody loves a little bit of microdermabrasion appeal every now and then. But the constant, just constant taking off that barrier, it's terrible. And you're young. Right? But like, you get to my age and some women can't even keep makeup on their skin.
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A
Yeah, I know. People are doing so much damage. Wise as a name, it's interesting hearing you talk about growing up and wanting to hang out with the 80 year olds in your neighborhood, but it seems like you've always had this kind of like reverence for age and experience. How do you talk about anti aging? You know, I think I don't love the word. Right. Exactly. Well, exactly. So some people say, like, I'm not even going to use that term in marketing. But then other people say, well, those are the search terms that people are using. So we have to integrate it. But how, but how do you think about just how aging is discussed in skincare in general? And then how do you do it differently at wise?
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B
Well, how is it discussed? Before Wise was like, you're in buckets and my bucket between 35. The millennials aging out into Gen X was not talked about. You were in menopause. That's how bad. I've never looked at beauty in the way that like certain people have. I wanna look the best I can at every age. I'm not trying to look 10 years younger. I mean, I would love to, but I. Wise, we look at, we wanna be the best, we wanna be bright, we wanna, I think our mission, and it's definitely my mission, we wanna help women sometimes get their glow back. I think sometime dull. They feel tired, they're torn in a million different ways. They don't have time for a 10 step, 15 step routine. And they Also kind of don't understand it. Look, they're incredible derm products. I can name many, but you have to know when and how to use them. For example, retinol for everybody listening. I have so many women who come to me and they're on prescription retinol. And I asked them. Well, you look. You seem very red. You seem very irritated. I know. I'm just getting used to it. And you see a line right here.
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A
And it's all inflammation. And they say, oh, it's just the purging period. How long are you supposed to suffer until you just put the product down?
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B
Exactly. How long have you been using your prescription a retinol? A year. But I'm still getting used to it.
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A
I'm like, no, your skin's not tolerating it, and your skin is giving you that data and information. So listen to your skin.
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B
Exactly. But they think prescriptive. They think it's better. Just like I did. I abuse hydroquinone. Hydroquinone is lightening agent. It is not to be used every single day, and it's certainly not to be used over months at a time. I just. It became my crutch. But, yeah, I think for me, like, I buy cult, Holy grail. I do not buy. I never looked at lines like, clarifying, enzymatic, dark, light. Like, I don't. That's not how I think of aging. I think of. You want to know the truth? It's consistency. The consistency is the magic.
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A
Absolutely.
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B
If you are consistent with something, it will work. But you have to be consistent.
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A
Yes.
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B
I think sometimes when we get in these routines, and I've definitely been, you know, so I'm trying to do peptides right now.
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A
Okay. Yes. Cause I want to talk about peptides, nads. And because you have access to so much. You mentioned lasers, microneedling. What are all of the things you do to look like you?
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B
Well, that's what I was gonna say, like, I have to do now. I'm like, I was gonna do it every day. And then they were like, okay, two days a week. Like, you can't do everything. All the. You can't do it. You will drop it. Be consistent. I do a DRI of water in the morning, meaning like a vitamin C, a creatine, a protein, a limit. It's like, of this concoction that she's come up with. And I drink it. You know why I drink it? Cause I get everything in it, and I can get it down.
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A
Love it.
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B
I love a Sara Ragi. She has an Alkalize that alkal like a greens powder that I really love.
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A
Okay.
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B
I love magnesium. Same glycinate. I love any type of magnesium. I take a pretty harsh medicine and I take sweet tart cherry for my joints.
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A
Nice. What are the skin things you're doing?
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B
Well, clearly I just didn't morphe. Say microneedling. I do believe in microneedling. I do believe in kind of agitating the skin, hoping to get that baby 3 collagen somewhere in existence. I really want to do a baby CO2.
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A
Okay.
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B
I just learned about a new procedure called the ultralight, but I haven't studied it yet. But I think that's something that I would love to do. I'm really good with Catherine Esposito. She's an incredible esthetician. She basically, like, especially if I have an event or I'm walking a carpet or something. Like, I've really been on so many planes. She'll flood me. Just flood. Just hydrate the skin with hydrate. She'll do like oxygen. She'll beat me. You know, she tries to get the inflammation, the circulation, all of that, the cupping. What else I do. I love Botox Extra. I don't do filler. I want to.
- [33:38]
A
There's nothing really to fill.
- [33:41]
B
I mean, there is. I want to just like snatch my neck back. This is the first year where I've really kind of noticed my neck.
- [33:48]
A
Well, you know what? I also think there's so much discourse now about facelifts and lifting facelifts and deep plain facelifts. So it's like it kind of seeps into your consciousness and then you just start to think, like, do I want to do that?
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B
But do you want to do it?
- [34:01]
A
Or has it. Or has it been like intercepted into your brain that that's something you should do?
- [34:05]
B
I don't know, but I'm always afraid. So no, I do Botox. That is my biggest thing I do. Again, I think filler for some people works. I do think it's a slippery slope. I think. You know, I've said this on the podcast, so it's not anything new, but I do believe in cutting over filling.
- [34:27]
A
I've always thought that cutting over feeling. Yes. Get the plastic surgery versus the.
- [34:33]
B
I also believe in less is more. I believe in doing little things. Again, I've never done a facelift. I think a lot of people think I have. I've. Trust me, I want one. But I think little things. A lot of women are doing the brow. A lot of my girlfriend, my co host on Lipstick on the rim, just did a lower bleph. She wanted it for 10 years.
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A
Is she happy?
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B
She's so happy.
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A
Yeah.
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B
I do think little things, but then look. Or you save up and you just go for it. Right. So I think there's two. You know, again, everybody's different, you know.
- [35:08]
A
Can we get back to the peptides? Because it's kind of like everyone's on peptides.
- [35:12]
B
Right. I just. I just started.
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A
Okay.
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B
So I'm doing poc.
- [35:17]
A
Okay. Because it's also a whole process to find a doctor who will give you peptides.
- [35:20]
B
Right. So I'm with Dr. Susan Baker, and you can't take peptides if you don't go to a doctor or you shouldn't. I would always, always. If anybody's listening, don't do this black market. I got it from a friend of a friend of a friend. Go to a doctor, talk about your needs, and it's becoming more open. The same thing about perimenopause, menopause. There are things you can take, but you definitely need to go to a doctor. I go to Dominique Reed, who I love. I've been with her for years. I go to Susan Baker, I go to Nurse Charles, if anybody wants to know.
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A
Love you.
- [35:51]
B
Nurse Charles gives a damn good iv, but I just started. One is for the hair, skin and nails.
- [35:58]
A
And these are injections.
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B
These are injections.
- [36:00]
A
I'm bringing it up because this is something that, again, living in la, I'm in New York or something, like, just the whole LA lifestyle is very different. It's just. It's just like one day I woke up and everyone was talking about the peptides they were on. And it's just become like this very. Just normal part of your maintenance.
- [36:14]
B
Yeah. I think it's the next supplement.
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A
Right.
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B
You know, I've been taking metformin for a couple of years.
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A
Yes.
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B
Now I hear it everywhere. Right.
- [36:23]
A
I think I was prescribed Metformin because I had gestational diabetes and I have all these blood sugar issues, but it makes me so nauseous.
- [36:30]
B
It does.
- [36:30]
A
So I kind of like, don't take it as much as I should.
- [36:33]
B
Again, I think people are talking.
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A
Yes.
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B
I think people are being, like, open and transparent.
- [36:40]
A
But then also I feel like with GLP1 usage, people aren't being open and transparent.
- [36:44]
B
Well, we are. My podcast is. We do not think it's bad. We think people should do what they want to do, when they want to do it, how they want to do it. People who have struggled their entire life, it has made A huge difference. I had a doctor Port. Come on. She's a. A lead surgeon at Mount Sinai for breast cancer. She will tell you so many benefits. Addiction, cardiovascular. Again, it's not for everyone, but I think, you know, now I do think we're starting to look at our bodies, to look at, you know, what's happening and taking a little bit more control. Nad. Do I know if it works? I don't know. I can't take NAD for medical reasons. I would love to. I just. I can't. I can't take it. But, you know, oxygenating the blood and, you know, that sounds amazing. I just unfortunately can't take it.
- [37:36]
A
And there haven't necessarily been conclusive clinical studies around it, which is another reason why people should exercise caution. But I agree. It's like, find a doctor. Do your research.
- [37:46]
B
Do your research and definitely be consistent and see if it works for you. Just kind of what you said, like, oh, that makes me nauseous. Right. Like, I had a thyroid problem. Badly. Right.
- [37:57]
A
Yes. I just got diagnosed with Graves disease, so I'm really in it with the thyroid.
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B
Sorry.
- [38:02]
A
Yeah. I mean, what was your thyroid issue, if you don't mind sharing?
- [38:05]
B
Oh, God. Mine was awful. I did get tested for Graves. I got tested recently again for Graves, but I ultimately didn't have it. I have hypo.
- [38:12]
A
Okay. Hashimoto's. No, just hypo. Yeah.
- [38:16]
B
Yeah. I was 38. Look, my pregnancy. My first pregnancy was not easy. I had a velamen discord insertion. He was not connected to root. I knew at 22 weeks, I would never have him naturally. I don't know if we missed it, but my mother came out. I delivered in the middle of June, and my mother came out in May. And I went from December being looking like this, but with a little bit of a belly, to. I was 204 pounds when I went into Cedars on June 19, 2012. And while everyone. I'm sure, and my mom had actually asked me, are you eating a lot? Like, are you just, like, let's fucking go, right? Like, you don't have to model. You don't have to watch your weight. And I said to her, I'm worried. I think something's wrong with me. And I had started acupuncture about six weeks before, and I was so swollen. My ankles, my hands.
- [39:22]
A
I was so inflamed. It's just.
- [39:24]
B
Yeah, I was really uncomfortable. And look, I don't know. I don't know if it was missed, if it came on very. It seems like it Came on very, very sudden. I had Brooks, I breastfed. I did everything. I worked out. I was just crumbling. And I kept telling my mom, I'm like, I just think something's wrong with me. Because when you say your symptoms, it is very difficult. And I will give other listeners this advice. You have to make sometimes people believe you.
- [39:59]
A
Absolutely. Because they'll just leave it out.
- [40:01]
B
You have to trust your gut. You have to keep saying. And I kept saying, I think something's wrong with me.
- [40:07]
A
Yep. I had the same experience.
- [40:09]
B
I'm tired while you're breastfeeding. You have a baby, you have a newborn.
- [40:14]
A
Said to me, you're postpartum, but you know, your body.
- [40:16]
B
Oh, I got postpartum.
- [40:17]
A
Yeah.
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B
And finally I went in, I think about six weeks, I went to see my gp and I walked in his office and if, you know, Dr. Ben Besat. Love you, Ron. He just looked at me and he goes, whoa, you look like a linebacker with that neck. And I was like, what? And he goes, you have a thyroid problem. And I was one second walking in his office.
- [40:42]
A
Wow.
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B
And look, I was so. I burst into tears because I was so, like, I knew something was wrong.
- [40:49]
A
And that relief of healing.
- [40:51]
B
Oh, my God. And look, I had, as you know, you have to go through a ton of testing.
- [40:55]
A
It's terrible.
- [40:55]
B
It's terrible. I have a great endocrinologist, Dr. Jordan Geller. Everyone helped me. I did scans for 10 years. I had, you know, definite issues. I did not have cancer, thank God, Knock on wood. And I did not have graves. And I was not Hashimoto's, but I was. So I had to lose from 204 back down to like 140, 135. That was very difficult. But I take a little pink pill called Synthroid every single day of my life.
- [41:26]
A
Yes. And it helps.
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B
My life changed with one swallow.
- [41:31]
A
I know the thyroid medication is real.
- [41:33]
B
I know. And I do take a little bit of Cytomel every now and then when I'm tired, when I'm. When I'm feeling like, really tired, like at 4, I don't take it all the time.
- [41:44]
A
We are getting the two minute half to wrap up. But, like, the way I could talk about thyroid stuff for forever. We can just do a whole hour on all the thyroid stuff.
- [41:54]
B
Always do your panels and if your blood doesn't say it, just keep saying your symptoms. Keep saying, what if we try this? Or what if we do that? You know, no one believed me but my mom. But that's okay. Yeah.
- [42:10]
A
But Also good for you for continuing to advocate for yourself.
- [42:14]
B
I did. I told my husband. I'm like, something's fucking wrong with me. Like, it's not the baby. It's not.
- [42:20]
A
I know.
- [42:20]
B
I know exactly what you're talking about. I'm not crazy. I am dying. I wake up. Yes, you're on a schedule. But, like, I was inflamed. I don't even know how to explain it. I just. I was.
- [42:33]
A
No, I know.
- [42:34]
B
Crazy. A crazy person.
- [42:36]
A
Well, my final question to you as someone who is working, a mom of three, doing all the things, you're also so active on social. You keep up with all the posts and the stuff.
- [42:44]
B
Well, I have a good team, but.
- [42:46]
A
But you still have to do it, right? Even with the team around you.
- [42:49]
B
Yes. Can you ad lib this? The Kim Kardashian one that I did at the Globes. I was really proud of myself. I got that on the first try. I'm terrible at trying to do the Tiktoks. I'm terrible.
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A
You're doing great. You're doing great.
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B
Which is why I don't ever really ad lib. I don't do, ever do the lip syncing. The lip syncing. Because I never get it right. I never. Like, they're always like, we have to edit you 74 times. It's fine.
- [43:11]
A
Well, my question to you is, when do you feel most beautiful?
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B
Well, Brooke, it's. It's not today. Coming at you with two. Two bruised eyes, which we can't even see.
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A
Everyone watching on. Back me up in the comment section. We don't. We don't see anything.
- [43:25]
B
I don't think I've been this baked since I. Wow. Oh, my gosh. You know, it's not on a carpet, really.
- [43:33]
A
Okay.
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B
No, no, it's not. I know people want me to say it is all your extensions and all your makeup and you can't. That is not when I feel most beautiful. I think just ponytail, white T shirt, jeans, cute heel or a flat. Like, it's more when I'm undone. I think as I've gotten older and that's kind of how it was. My whole modeling always kind of had that undone, put together look. It's not, you know, three hours of hair and makeup.
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A
It's just when you're casual and.
- [44:09]
B
Yeah. And I'm with my kids and I'm hanging out like, you know, I felt bad for my kids this week because I've actually tried not to put anything on it but arnica gel, but they're so cute. Like, my son, he got braces, I got Invisalign, and we did these ice rollers. And he was like, putting ice rollers on my eyes. Like, they're really cute.
- [44:33]
A
I love that your son was doing ice rollers.
- [44:35]
B
He was trying. He felt so bad. You know, I was walking in CVS yesterday with Gray. He's my nine year old. He was so cute. He goes, hey, mama, is your brand here? Then he goes, it's too good to be in cvs. I was like, freaking love you, Gray. He answered his own question. I couldn't even answer him, like, well, nothing, whatever. And he goes, it's too good to be here.
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A
I love it.
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B
But I really. He's so sweet. He goes, I really want you at Target. And I was like, well, we're at Sephora. But it's funny. He's cute. They're cute, they're sweet. You know, they're at such good ages. And, you know, it is true, though, as they get older, bigger kids, bigger problems. I have heard that smaller children, smaller problems. The days are long, the years are short. But, yes, I mean, it's great. Look, I. I'm not glad I waited. I felt like I was cutting it a little close, being, you know, 39 and barely coming through. My mom was like. They were like, what is happening? But I think it's. You know, I'll always give this advice to people like, don't settle. Don't fucking settle. Yeah, don't do it.
- [45:45]
A
Don't do it in terms of choosing your partner. Right? I mean, everything, everything, everything.
- [45:50]
B
You know, we get stuck, we get neutral. Right. We can't go forward. It's like, can't go backwards. But nothing worse is being. Nothing worse is being stuck.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And I think that's been kind of my superpower with, like, all of the things that I've done. You know, you turn your nos into yeses. You come out of the valley, you okay, you say no. Like, I think it fuels me when someone says, you're really gonna start a beauty line. I cannot tell you how many people have said that to me.
- [46:23]
A
Oh, wow, they doubted you.
- [46:24]
B
You're really. Oh, you're gonna be like your husband. You're gonna produce. Oh, you're so funny. But I think that what has fed me has, you know, given me that right.
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A
I love being counted out.
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B
I love being counted out. It's the best. Yes.
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A
Yes.
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B
You're amazing, Molly.
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A
Thank you so much for being on Naked Beauty. This was such a pleasure.
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B
Such a pleasure. Just say that you need me I.
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A
Can'T care about anything but you.
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B
Lately I have desperately pondered spent my nights awake and I wanted what I could have done in another way to make you stay.
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