003: The Book of Genesis w/ Ed Mabrie - Angels & The Physics of God

Summary

Podcast Summary: Nephilim Death Squad - Episode 003: "The Book of Genesis w/ Ed Mabry - Angels & The Physics of God"

Release Date: March 7, 2025
Host/Author: TopLobsta Productions
Guests: Ed Mabry

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Introduction

In the third episode of Nephilim Death Squad, hosts TopLobsta and Raven welcome guest Ed Mabry to delve deep into the intricate relationship between Biblical narratives and conspiratorial theories. The episode, titled "The Book of Genesis w/ Ed Mabry - Angels & The Physics of God," explores profound theological and philosophical concepts, blending them with discussions on angelic hierarchies and the foundational physics underpinning divine creation.

Support and Community Engagement

Ed Mabry begins by discussing his platform, faithbyreason.net, highlighting forthcoming changes to content accessibility and urging listeners to support his work via Patreon:

"If you are interested, go get as much stuff as you can as possible because I'm going to make some changes and I'm going to start rearranging some things..." ([04:28])

He emphasizes the importance of community support in maintaining and expanding the depth of his theological explorations.

Philosophical Understanding of God

A significant portion of the discussion centers on understanding God from a philosophical and scientific standpoint. Ed Mabry presents a logical argument for the existence of a transcendent, immaterial Creator based on the laws of thermodynamics and causality:

"The first law of thermodynamics... means the universe could not have come into existence on its own, naturally, meaning it had to come into existence supernaturally." ([02:23])

He further elaborates on information as the fundamental cause of creation, positing that:

"Information can bring about physical creation... So the source is information." ([22:29])

Physics of God: Light and Energy

Ed Mabry explores the nature of God through the lens of physics, describing God as pure light and energy:

"In the Epistle of John, verse five… It says that God is light and there is no darkness in him at all... God is 100% consciousness, but he's all consciousness, all energy, all light." ([24:21])

He draws parallels between spiritual energy and physical phenomena, suggesting that our perception of solidity is an illusion created by electromagnetic fields.

Hierarchy and Classes of Angels

The conversation transitions into an exploration of the angelic hierarchy as depicted in the Bible. Ed Mabry outlines various classes of angels, including Cherubim, Archangels, and Watchers, detailing their roles and interactions:

• Cherubim: Described as high-ranking, encompassing beings like Lucifer before his fall.

  "Lucifer, it's not even a name. He's basically the one who bears the light of God." ([42:55])

• Archangels: Portrayed as warriors, with Michael being the most prominent example.

  "Michael is called the Prince of Israel... he is a warrior on behalf of Israel." ([67:49])

• Watchers: Assigned as observers and overseers of creation, some of whom fell by intermingling with humans, leading to the creation of the Nephilim.

  "The Watchers... were put over creation to observe mankind... some decided to fall and create hybrids." ([54:38])

Rebellion and the Fallen Angels

A critical segment of the episode discusses the rebellion within the angelic ranks, examining reasons behind their fall and the subsequent impact on humanity and spiritual realms:

"When you fall, you still maintain the level of power... fallen principalities have more power than rank-and-file angels." ([70:57])

Ed Mabry connects this rebellion to various mythologies, suggesting that many pagan deities are remnants or representations of these fallen beings:

"Greek gods... they're made up of chaos or exotic matter, implying they exist within the universe... similar to fallen angels." ([27:41])

Comparative Religion and Creation Narratives

The discussion extends to comparing Biblical creation with other religious creation myths, arguing for the uniqueness of the Judeo-Christian concept of a transcendent Creator:

"Only Judeo-Christianity presents God as always completely right and just... other religions have gods that are not transcendent." ([24:21])

He critiques polytheistic religions for lacking a singular, all-powerful Creator, thereby positioning Biblical narratives as the most logically coherent.

Modern Manifestations and Esoteric Practices

TopLobsta and Raven interject with contemporary examples, linking ancient angelic hierarchies to modern phenomena such as UFO sightings, new age movements, and high-profile individuals allegedly making deals with demonic entities for fame and success:

"You make a deal and you get the earthly kingdom... celebrities making deals for success and wealth." ([89:00])

They caution against the corruption of divine truths through human practices, emphasizing the dangers of associating with fallen entities.

Gender Roles in Spirituality

A noteworthy discussion on gender roles within spiritual contexts explores the roles assigned to males and females, both in divine creation and human relationships:

"God is not female in the sense that he's not about effects, he's about causes... angels present as male because that's the role they have." ([77:23])

Ed Mabry argues against anthropomorphizing God by assigning gendered characteristics, highlighting the importance of understanding divine roles over physical attributes.

Conclusion and Future Topics

As the episode wraps up, Ed Mabry hints at forthcoming discussions centered around Genesis Chapter 6, which delves into the origins of the Nephilim, secret societies, and the ramifications of angelic rebellions on human civilization.

"We're a ways away from Genesis, but there was a Rebellion, because we see the results of it in the second verse." ([90:20])

Listeners are encouraged to support Ed Mabry through his platforms for continued in-depth explorations of these profound topics.

Notable Quotes

• Ed Mabry on Divine Creation:

  "Whatever caused universe has to be greater than the universe and outside of the universe. And it has to be supernatural." ([02:27])

• TopLobsta on Current Events:

  "It's becoming more of a resurgence... the spiritual realm has piqued people's interest." ([14:57])

• Ed Mabry on Angels and Titles:

  "Lucifer is just the Latin translation of 'halal bin Shakar'... he's the one who bears the light of God." ([42:55])

• Ed Mabry on Prophecy:

  "Prophecy is primarily God saying, here's what I'm going to do. Here's what the fallen angels have already said they're going to do." ([100:50])

Final Remarks

This episode of Nephilim Death Squad offers a compelling blend of theology, philosophy, and conspiracy theory, providing listeners with a nuanced understanding of Biblical creation, angelic hierarchies, and the underlying physics of divine existence. Through Ed Mabry's insights and the hosts' engaging dialogue, the episode lays a robust foundation for future explorations into the enigmatic intersections of faith and the unknown.

Support the Podcast and Ed Mabry's Work:

• Support the Podcast: Nephilim Death Squad Support
• Ed Mabry's Platform: faithbyreason.net
• Patreon: patreon.com/faithbyreason

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Note: The discussion in this summary is based on the transcript provided and aims to accurately reflect the content and tone of the original podcast episode.

Transcript

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[Ed Mabry]

We're Good and G Productions. We are being hypnotized by people like this News readers, politicians, teachers, lecturers. We are in a country and in a world that is being run by unbelievably sick people. The chasm between what we're told is going on and what is really going on is absolutely enormous.

[Top Lobster]

Oh yeah, dude, there's some Nephilim.

[Unknown Speaker]

It's like we all know what's going down but no one's saying what happened to the home of the brave? They control us now when no one's talking about it. Man, it's not in these slaves and everybody's just walking around heading the clouds and want to waken to a dead in the grave. But then it's too late. We need to be ready to raise up welcome to the end of days.

[Ed Mabry]

Everybody is slave. Only some are aware that the government.

[Unknown Speaker]

Releasing poison in the welcome back ladies and gentlemen to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad. I am David Lee Corbo, AKA the Raven that is Top lobster, the father of disinformation. Before we get into today's guest, I would like to remind you guys that this entire episode is going to stream for free. But in case you were wondering where you can go to support the show. In the meantime, you can go to patreon.com backslash nephilimdesk. Sign up for whatever tier you'd like, enjoy an ad free viewing experience and gain early access to the episodes before the general public does. You will find find that there is a ton of backlogged content on Patreon and you can watch it for free. Also guys, consider going over to top lobster.com and checking out our merchandise. We just dropped this super dope NDS varsity jacket and those things are moving. You can check that out while you're there as well as a bunch of other designs. MK Ultra Dolphin, Dangerous merch, even, what would you call it, Workwear, Professional wear. NDS Professional wear. All that and more.

[Ed Mabry]

Epstein.

[Top Lobster]

Epstein's back in the news. We almost forgot but I don't want to talk about that today. Yeah, we had a long conversation with Ed. We're saying like we're done with this stuff. We're talking about the Book of Genesis. I am very excited to get back into it. Ed, what's up man?

[Ed Mabry]

Hey, how you guys doing? I dig the new, the new video intro.

[Top Lobster]

At the Egg.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, yeah, that was my favorite part. But I mean, but I love brought a lot of good contemporary stuff with the, the Trump and Elon doing. That's ye good job.

[Unknown Speaker]

I forgot that we had that animation of me as a, as a Birdman birthing an egg and then we got that so long ago. And then if you look at the evolution of, of you know, I guess our talking points and how integral the egg has become, it's kind of funny that we had that animation. But before we get into the Book of Genesis series, because Fridays are definitively for the Lord now we're co opting Fridays, we're bringing it to the Lord, but we got a little bit of business to go through. Ed, where can people find your work and support you?

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah. So my legacy site is faithbyreason.net that's where all the stuff I've been working on for years and years. There's blogs, podcasts, videos, and I will say right now, if you are interested, go get as much stuff as you can as possible because I'm going to make some changes and I'm going to start rearranging some things which means some of my content is going to start coming down and I'm going to start putting it in different formats that people can digest differently because there's like so much stuff up here, it's really hard to navigate. So I want to make sure that my readers My listeners are able to just get what they need quickly and instead of unorganized mess. So if there's something you want to grab, grab it now because it's soon going to be going down and there'll be different ways to access it. Other way with my preferred way right now to interact with me is through Patreon. So if you go to patreon.com faithby Reason that is the vibrant community that's been building since about. Since early this year started it in January. It's really grown. I appreciate all you guys who become Patreons. And so as Patreons are two levels. At the first level you get access to all my stuff that I'm posting. As soon as I post it, it goes. It goes to Patreon before it goes to any of the free stuff, free feeds or even my own website. And I'm going to be dropping the next video for the Genesis series. I just finished editing it last night. I need to make a thumbnail for it and then I'm is going up for Patreons only then you have to wait. If you want the free feed, you got to wait a couple weeks. You also get Q&As. I'm putting up a new Q A today where I'm answering questions about the temple, about the three temples, as well as whether or not Christians should are. Are obliged to work to obey the Sabbath and tithe that those huge questions. So you get that and. And bonus content and those will get you in trouble.

[Top Lobster]

Ed, the tithing one. That's a. Oh, I know.

[Ed Mabry]

I know it is. That's why that's. I get that's why I do this so I can get in trouble.

[Unknown Speaker]

I'm in the business of ruffling feathers.

[Ed Mabry]

If you want to that that that's my niche. My niche is like stuff has to make sense and, and I'm not gonna get all behind all the. I'm not getting with all the dogma and all that kind of stuff. I'm like does this make sense? I don't care what the local church says or what this group says is it doesn't make sense isn't in the Bible and should we be doing it and well, you'll see my answer on the Q A today. And so if you want to take it a level up, then you can join my next tier and you get everything with. With the lower tier. But you also get access to a. The monthly Bible study where we go through the entire Bible in 12 months once once a month on the third Sunday, actually, it's coming up in a couple weeks where we look at the entire Bible through the supernatural point of view, through the spiritual aspect. We're looking behind the curtain at what's really going on because it's, it's not our story. The Bible's God's story. And the whole purpose of it is to help you in your walk with God and the way you. You can be helped in that walk. The most effective way to have relationship with God is to know who he is and to know what he wants from us. And that's really what it's all about, is helping you just better your walk with God.

[Unknown Speaker]

I love that.

[Top Lobster]

Definitely. Just, I mean, we.

[Unknown Speaker]

Go ahead.

[Top Lobster]

Sorry, Davey, I think there's a little bit of a delay on your end, but that's fine. We did the first Bible study and it's, it's kind of a. It's. It's what we've been doing on the show on nds, so it's just like more of that, but in more of a specific way. And that specific way of looking at the Bible has definitely helped me a lot as somebody who. Especially the Old Testament, you look. I used to look at it and be like, this is boring. Like these thou's, this one, begot that and like, so what? But once you start looking at it from a different perspective, which Ed is teaching, it's like it actually makes it matter. So.

[Unknown Speaker]

Yeah, yeah. And to the nether knight's point, it's not. We're not going to be interrupting Ed. So yeah, he might actually be able to get a thought across without us.

[Ed Mabry]

Derailing him mics one way or another.

[Unknown Speaker]

Yeah, you'll have to mute our mics also. I love that idea of that QA A and trying to figure out what makes sense within the church or how you worship. Because obviously people are. We have this habit of, of playing a game of telephone. You know, it starts off as one thing and then throughout history we kind of misconstrued these, these traditions or these rituals or ceremonies and we kind of add our own baggage to it. Next thing you know, you don't know what is actually called upon us to do. And what is that? Just something that, that people made a habit of doing. We have a, a real nasty way of doing that. And so that's a great tool. And I, I just want to say that before we get into it.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, yeah.

[Unknown Speaker]

That's really how I look at faith by reason is you. You're giving people a bunch of different tools in order to kind of, you know, make decisions on their own or, or at least think critically about what it is that the Bible is calling us to do or what, what it is that the Bible is actually saying. And so it's a great tool and I highly recommend people go and check that out.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah. A lot of the traditions that we, that we do, that we. That have just been burned into our brains, a lot of them are just like you said, we just, we're doing it because other people do it. We're playing the telephone game. But then there's also, sometimes there's an agenda behind it. And I was like, I mean, we're all truth seekers here, you know. And so I look at the truth, like, who's, who's benefiting from the tithe? Who's benefiting from Sabbath? What's their agenda? And there are agendas behind it. And again, some of them are innocent. They just, hey, we're just doing it because we're doing it with Other people say, hey, you know what? I'm, you know the old movie jfk, that was a great scene with, with, with Donald Sutherland and Kevin Costner where Sutherland is saying, you know, when you're looking into this, you have to ask the questions, you know, who's, who has the power to do it and basically who's benefiting from it and who can, who can cover it up? Those are the, I mean, those are just basic questions. You should always ask this.

[Top Lobster]

Right.

[Unknown Speaker]

Real quick, Nancy says, can you ask Ed about the connection between the Catholic Church and the Synagogue of Satan? The only reason I'm going to say no is because we just swore before this episode started that we weren't going to talk about the Jews. If you want Jew talk, you got to go and catch yesterday's episode of Dangerous Retards with my.

[Top Lobster]

Literally the entire, the entire Bible is up to Jews.

[Unknown Speaker]

That is true. Yeah. I guess there's no real way of avoiding it.

[Ed Mabry]

Or you can also. Or you can go to. Or to Faith by Reason. I talk about it there in, in the Revelation series. I, I touch on that. And Catholicism. You will have to go to Rumble to get the part about the Kazarian stuff because I had to take that down off YouTube because they gave me a warning.

[Unknown Speaker]

Did they really?

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, man.

[Unknown Speaker]

I got demonetized.

[Ed Mabry]

And then they said, you know, this is, you know, you might want to re edit this. I'm just putting it on Rumble. Forget you guys. So you have to go to.

[Unknown Speaker]

You might want to re edit this. You might want to lie to the people. All Right.

[Top Lobster]

Did they mention is about. Did they mention specifically what the violation was?

[Ed Mabry]

It was, it was generic. I don't recall. It was something like. It wasn't hate speech. It was something along those lines of like sensitivity or. I forget. Exactly.

[Top Lobster]

Unfounded conspiracy, things like that. Okay.

[Ed Mabry]

They said they were going to put a context box around it or something.

[Unknown Speaker]

Yeah, like, hey, put your context box around it and then leave me alone. How about that?

[Top Lobster]

I don't want to talk about it again. But we kind of have to. It's like the thing with the Epstein thing and, and Ian Carroll. What's coming up on Twitter all day now is people saying, like, this is anti Semitic, but like they're like screaming at this guy saying that he's this and that. But I'm like, no one's denying the claim. No one's denying.

[Unknown Speaker]

Nobody's saying. Yeah, nobody's calling anybody a liar. They're just saying, how dare you?

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, like you're a bad person. But I'm like, oh, God. Like, this is not a good look, guys. Is he lying? If he's lying, debunk him. But nothing so far.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, calling names is not. I mean, that's, you know, the doctor got hits. The one that barks.

[Unknown Speaker]

So, Ed, real quick, what Is your rumble713? Rob is asking and I think it's a good one.

[Ed Mabry]

I think just. I'll get it for you before the end of the show. I know if you just search by faith, but it's just faith by reason.

[Unknown Speaker]

I mean, I think top's already on it. I could see his gears turning his head up, but I believe it's at.

[Ed Mabry]

Faith by reason 883 for some reason. But I think in Rumble it's just faith by reason.

[Top Lobster]

We're gonna, we're working on Ed getting. Yeah, I don't even follow your rumble. We're working on you getting a link tree. So that way we can just put your link tree and all your stuff will be there. That's gonna be the way to do it.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, I'm gonna work on that this weekend. Get that, get that going. But yeah, one last thing. I know we're. We will get into Genesis, I promise. Yeah, there, there's. There's the rumble. So you can find it there.

[Unknown Speaker]

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[Unknown Speaker]

There it is.

[Ed Mabry]

Okay, and, and I'm working on doing some ebooks. So I'm just taking some, some of the popular subjects and some folks have been asking for in more condensed form instead of having to rummage through my website to find it. You know, here it is in an ebook and it'll, it'll either be depending on the length of the books because I'm going to do several. They'll either be at no cost to Patreons, they'll be at a discount for Patreon. And then, you know, everyone, I think.

[Top Lobster]

It would be pretty cool to have physical books as well. And I can walk you through when the time is ready how to do that. You can do that through Amazon. I've already designed for a couple people who have done that. But yeah, a couple of books right here that say Ed Mabry on it would be pretty dope.

[Ed Mabry]

So I'd be down for that. Let's talk about that offline. I'd love to because I thought about that as well. I don't know what the process was. I mean, ebooks are easy, but doing it, having a hard copy of some of this, maybe it's doable. Revelation series. Yeah, that would be voluminous. Nobody's going to read all that.

[Unknown Speaker]

Well, you know, just on the topic of, of how it's a great tool, what you're offering right now, given all the conversation around spirituality, around God, around Christianity, I, I don't know if it's just from my own point of view because I'm kind of biased. I'm, I'm in this content creating sphere. But it feels very much to me like something akin to a resurgence is happening. And if you don't want to call it a resurgence, you can certainly say that the spiritual realm has piqued people's interest. And in a time where everybody is now entertaining these ideas. Right. We're talking about Ian Carroll is, is, is, is bringing up the Epstein thing and Tucker Carlson's talking about the nephilim and everything, it's a wild time. People could use these resources. So whether it's an ebook or a.

[Ed Mabry]

Website, and I'll run this by real quick, I was going to talk to you guys about this offline. But as long as you have the audience, I'm just going to put this out there because I had this idea this morning that, you know, I get a lot of questions, and I know that we have very short attention spans. It's just how things are. I mean, so some people don't have time to read a whole book. They just want. They want some of the basics. So I was thinking of just maybe in addition to doing, you know, full ebooks that are, you know, five, six, seven chapters, maybe just, like, quick sheets, like, you know, five minutes. Like, understand this in five. Understand salvation in five minutes. In five minutes. So just be, like, a quick couple pages, you know, for, you know, very low cost. But you can just go through that and understand the basics. And if you want to take a deeper dive, yeah, you can go into the deeper stuff. But I think people. I get lots of questions like, you know, what's the best bible to use? You know, what do you. I can. I can.

[Top Lobster]

You know, the Schofield Bible, obviously, you.

[Unknown Speaker]

Know, what we need to start doing is, you know, how the Watchtower Society and the jws, they release, like, a magazine that has some topical whatever. We got to start releasing, like, a Faith by Reason/NDS Physical Magazine, a short magazine, and it's got some topics in there.

[Top Lobster]

We have a name already. It would be Retards Digest.

[Unknown Speaker]

Digest is a banger.

[Top Lobster]

They're working on that.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, you're gonna make that one guy really mad who keeps, you know, Finder.

[Unknown Speaker]

Yeah, there's a Finder on X. And I'm like, that's not a bad thing. I don't know why he's calling all of my. My least favorite people retards. I'm like, you need to find my favorite people, the people that I like, and call them retards, because we're taking it back. We're taking the power back in the word retard. It's now a good thing.

[Ed Mabry]

All right, so people listening right now. If you think that's a good idea, like a little, you know, Understand X in 5 minutes or something like that, let me know and I'll start producing some of those. Go ahead, Raven.

[Unknown Speaker]

Well, I was just gonna say. I was gonna pass the ball to you and say, where are we starting today in regards to the third episode of our book of Genesis exploration?

[Ed Mabry]

Let's actually get into that. Last. Last time I ended, I ended like, I. Almost halfway through talking about angels and the Elohim and what they are, but I realized That I want to take a step back because one of the reasons we're doing this, I mean, I'm doing the full Genesis series, you know, step by step, you know, in, in the, the full depth. And one of the things we talked about doing with this show was, you know, just kind of riffing on some stuff and doing some philosophical talk and, and helping me refine certain things.

[Unknown Speaker]

Yes.

[Ed Mabry]

And so I want to talk before I, I want to finish up the angels, because we were talking about the. We were starting to talk about the angelic civilization and the hierarchy and the different types of, of the angels and things like that. I want to go back and talk a little bit more about God philosophically, like, what is, what is God? I mean, and not being vague about it, faith by reason. We don't. I don't do platitudes. I don't do, you know, he's just this great thing that's bigger than us now. Let's kind of get into it. So when I think about that, you know, even before the beginning, you know, what was God? Where was God? How did he. How did the universe come into being? And if you look at our physical universe, you have to start with what we know. Because when someone asks me, you know, how do you, you know, how can, how can we understand God so. Well, you start with what you're able to understand as a human being. You understand every aspect of that. And then you have to, you know, in anything else, you have to get from, from divine revelation. So what do we know? We know about our physical universe. We know it's either infinite or finite. Well, you know, it's finite. It's not infinite. Because second law of thermodynamics is the entropy law, that over time, basically, you lose heat, you lose energy. So if the universe was infinitely old, it would be infinitely cold because all the energy would have dissipated over infinity. And plus, you know, and scientists have all agreed the universe is finite, meaning it had a definitive beginning, meaning that at some point there was no universe. And then it began. So how, how does, how does it come into being? Well, there's again, two options. It either came into being naturally or outside of what we know about nature. Well, we can eliminate it coming into being naturally because we, again, we have the laws of nature. We have again, the laws of thermodynamics. The first, thermodynamics, in layman's terms, as says that matter and energy cannot be created or destroyed, so the universe could not have come into existence on its own, naturally, meaning it had to come into existence supernaturally. So there was a supernatural creation. And we know that the universe, then we can use. The next thing we can use is the law of causality, which states that for every effect there is a cause, and that cause is greater than and independent of the effect. The universe is an effect. Therefore whatever caused the universe has to be greater than the universe and independent of it or outside of it. That's what we call transcendence. So we can know from just from human thought, no Bible or anything, that the universe had a cre. Was created. Whatever created the universe has to be greater than the universe and outside of the universe. And it has to be supernatural. It has to be outside of the natural laws. So that leads us to what do we know that so. And also it can't be physical because physical is. Is the creation. So it also has to be immaterial. I guess we get to transcendence. So what can we. What do we know that is non material that can. That can create, that can be the cause of creating something that is material. And I would say information, information can bring about physical creation. And because I give an example in, in one of my early videos, I think second video, second or third video I do in the Genesis series with example of the first farmer. Let's say before farming you have hunter gatherers. You know, they've just. They would hunt animals or they were. And they would gather whatever fruits or vegetables they happen to see in nature. Let's say one day this guy's on his route, you know, going to hunt an animal for his family. He sees, you know, the tree that picks tomatoes off of. He's just a wild tomato plant and he picks all the tomatoes off. Then one day he walks by and he sees that one of the tomatoes has fallen to the ground. It was rotting. So he's not going to pick that one up. He just walks by it. Days go by, he sees the tomato disintegrates. Just some seeds are left. And over as, you know, as the days go by, the seeds get covered in dirt. Then it rains. Then he sees that a plant starts to come up. He said, well, okay. Then he keep. As he keeps going by his rod. Every day that plant grows, it starts producing tomatoes. And he starts picking the tomatoes. He says, wait a minute, that's what happened, you know, just unintentionally. What if I took tomatoes and took the seeds myself and I put a bunch of these seeds in the ground and cover them and water them. I could have all the tomatoes I want I don't need to go out and hunt and gather for them. I can make them myself. So he is the first farmer. What did he physically do? Nothing. He just observed information, and that information gave him the cause of creation. He was able to create his first garden of tomatoes. And so let's say he just. He does that with other plants and, you know, vegetables. Now he has a whole orchard. Now he says, you know, I've got all this stuff, more than I need. I'm gonna hire some dudes. I'm gonna hire like 10 guys and say, hey, hunter gatherers, instead of going out there and maybe getting ripped apart by a bear or slept around by a moose or some like that, come to my area, pick all my vegetables for me. I'll let you keep 10 of them. You give the other 90 to me. So your family has, you know, food. So now first businessman, all based on information. Let's say they rise up and say, no, there's 10 of us and only one of you. We can. We can beat you up and take your orchard from you. And if you don't, you don't give us a raise. Okay, do that. Fine. And I'll be. I'll be screwed for a little while. But you know what I can do? I can take my information, find another plot of land, do it all over again. You guys don't have my information. So after this season of crops, you're done. So who's more powerful, the information or the people doing the physical labor? The guy with the information.

[Unknown Speaker]

Yeah.

[Ed Mabry]

So information. So all that little. I know it's a kind of a clumsy scenario, but. But it's just to demonstrate that information can be the cause of things being formed physically. And when you get into the actual physics of it, which we've. I think we've talked about before when I've been on. On other episodes, and when you get into, you know, what the atom is made out of, and it's basically electricity and thoughts and consciousness, which maybe we'll get into that a little bit later on. But that information is what shapes those thoughts, and that's what in, you know, ends up creating our physical universe. So the. So basically the. My point is that the source is information. That's the first cause, but not just any information, because, again, the first cause has to have no precedent causes because there's no infinite regression. Whatever caused universe has to be a cause with no preceding causes. So do we know of anything that is causeless and can be the source of information? And I think the answer to that is principles. Principles can be are again, because principles aren't. I mean, causality is a principle principle. You know, thermodynamics. These are principles.

[Top Lobster]

They're not just exist like ipso de facto. Right?

[Ed Mabry]

Right. Yeah. And so when you get down to the two causeless principles would be qualitative and quantitative, and the qualitative would be right and quantitative would be just justice. Right means something. It's just, it's. It's binary. It's either right or it's not right or so. And right has to exist before something can be wrong. You have to know what's right. So right exists and just justice just says that things out. You see, it's. It's stasis, it's equivalence. So, so, and again, I'm giving a short answer to a very. You can go into faith by reason. I dive into it more. But so the, the Creator of the universe has to be right and just always and completely righteous and just right.

[Unknown Speaker]

And then what does Jesus say? That he is the way the truth. And truth is like. It's information. Right? It's. It's right information.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, exactly. A truth is, is actually. It's. It's facts that create. That's the, the definition of it. The full.

[Unknown Speaker]

What is, what's the definition of it? A fact?

[Ed Mabry]

Because if you say truth is facts. Well, you know, you can, you actually, you can actually get around that. If you say like a. Let's say a fact is. No, I think that. I think you're fat. That's a fact. I think that. But it's not true because you work out. So I can say I think you're fat. And that's. That is factual, but it's not true. So truth is facts that actually create that are good. And the definition of good is that.

[Unknown Speaker]

Which creates and that we're talking about information creating. Right. So that would be truth specifically. Huh.

[Ed Mabry]

So that's pretty much the limit of what we can know about the Creator through our human minds. Anything else we'd have to, we'd learn about it would have to come from the Creator himself. So you have various sources of information that claim to know who the Creator is or what the Creator is. And. But we have to see if those information sources match what we know in our human minds from our human endeavors. But we were just talking about our human understanding. So you have, first of all, you have the secular point of view, which, you know, the universe created itself. And then, you know, Big Bang, trillions of beneficial accidents happening in a row. Beneficial Mutations, life coming from non life. Well, none of that fits because that's natural. And the first things we know they're created was supernatural. We know the Creator was transcendent outside of the created universe. So we can eliminate the secular point of view. Then you have all. So I leave this with all the religious points of view. And most of the religions have their creation narratives, have the God gods creating the universe from within the universe. So we know that's incorrect because we know that the creator of the universe had to be transcendent, had to be outside of the universe. So that leaves us with the three. Well, basically I'll say two and a half monotheistic religions. Judeo, Christianity and Islam, well they do have the Creator as being supernatural, transcendent and you know, and, and, and again outside the universe and all, and all that good stuff. But not only Judeo Christianity presents her God is always a completely right and just Islam does not Islam in, in the Quran, Allah is capricious. He says he can do anything he wants. Allah can lie. Lying is not right. Or just.

[Unknown Speaker]

That's interesting too because a lot of the, I guess pagan mythoses right when it comes to like Vedic belief systems. For example, their gods are not transcendent. Their gods were birthed out of an event that was outside of them. So it's like the cosmic egg is, is one that they really lean on and it's like the egg just pops up out of chaos and then out of the egg is birthed like a mother deity and then the rest of the pantheons are birthed from her. So. Yeah, they don't even, y'all don't even have transcendent gods. That's.

[Ed Mabry]

No, neither. Yeah. I mean the Greek gods are the same way the Egyptian gods are. They're all inside of the universe. They all presume that there's some physical stuff, be it chaos or, or just, or just some kind of exotic matter, but it always starts with stuff pre existing and it.

[Unknown Speaker]

Right.

[Ed Mabry]

Because there's, because infinity. There's no, there is no infinity. It's not infinitely old. Again, the law, second law of thermodynamics completely destroys that. Even when you get down to the secular. The current, the latest secular point of view, which is, you know, the, the, the quantum theory that everything was at a singularity. Yeah. With all the potential energy. Well, that still gives you the same problem. That potential energy would, would have eventually run out. You can't.

[Unknown Speaker]

That's really, that's actually very funny because it's the argument that they have Meaning these like, you know, pagan belief systems are no better really than the Big Bang in the sense that it's like, well, what created the, the, the egg? What came before the chaotic primordial waters? Like what? What? And they're like, it doesn't matter, I don't know. But I'll tell you what. My gods came at you and it's like if you go into the Big Bang. Well, what set off the Big Bang?

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[Unknown Speaker]

I don't know. Yeah, God's not real, but I don't know.

[Ed Mabry]

They have some very interesting theories, but. But there's no proof. Which means it's faithful truth, right? Yeah.

[Unknown Speaker]

Right.

[Ed Mabry]

So. So one of the many reasons why I believe in the Bible because the Bible is the only source of information we have that presents the creator as everything that he has. All the criteria that needs to be met. You know, supernatural, transcendent, you know, outside the universe, causeless information, always and completely right. And just only the Bible does that. So that's why, you know, we can. That's one of the reasons why I believe we can. We can believe it as that information source because none of the other ones do that.

[Top Lobster]

Why not? Like why don't the other ones do that? Like if, why not just copy this, this story? It's the, it's the story that's the most logical. Like if I was going to make a fake religion, I would copy some like these really important tenants and they just don't do it for whatever reason.

[Ed Mabry]

Here's why, here's my opinion about that is who is behind every false religion? When you get to the very top, it's the fallen angels, the fallen Elohim. They have a vested interest and you in not presenting themselves that way because they will not live up to it. They're not always a completely right ingest, so they can't say that the Creator is always a completely right. And just because they. Because anyway, wait a minute. You're not right. You guys do some unjust stuff. You want child sacrifices. You know, the Greek gods were always banging each other and raping women and doing terrible.

[Unknown Speaker]

Hey, it's like, if you look at the other.

[Ed Mabry]

It's true.

[Unknown Speaker]

You know, belief systems, all the. The pantheons are, like, made up of, you know, they're like. They're not really the greatest dudes at all.

[Ed Mabry]

And even if you get to. Again, I'm. You know, I'm not trying to crap over you if you're a Muslim. I mean, I. It's not my thing. You believe what you want to believe. But you know this. When I said that Allah's capricious, that. That's not me making that up. That is actually part of. That's one of the 10. Muhammad himself said that he doesn't even know if he. If he's would go to heaven because Allah could just snatch a rug out from under him. I'm like, dude, if you're not going to Muslim heaven, who is? You're.

[Unknown Speaker]

You're the freaking prophet Allah, the original rug puller. Unbelievable.

[Ed Mabry]

Wow.

[Top Lobster]

Oh, that's kind of crazy.

[Ed Mabry]

I didn't.

[Top Lobster]

Wasn't aware that that's what. That's what he said.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, look, I mean, that's. That's. I'm paraphrasing, obviously, if you want to look that up. Yeah, but he's. He himself has a quote saying that even he's not sure if he's done it because. Because in Islam, you don't. You get into paradise by doing more good than evil. You have to, you know, your scales have to be balanced, unbalanced, too good. So if you do more evil than good, then you're not going. If you do more good than evil. But how do you know there's no. There's no meter? You're not like, walking around, okay, I'm. I'm above 50 today. You don't know.

[Top Lobster]

It makes sense as to why they adhere so strictly to, like, I think Ramadan is now where they have to do fasting. And this week.

[Ed Mabry]

As an aside, my wife was talking to me about her French say. Yeah. My friend is. She's. She's. She's doing the Ramadan fast. I'm like, really? When did she become a Muslim? Oh, she's not. She's trying to lose weight.

[Unknown Speaker]

Oh, no. There you go.

[Top Lobster]

There you go.

[Unknown Speaker]

Anyway, a lot of what. What fasting has become, it's now like a weight loss and a clarity tool. Right. So, like, I. I'll use it.

[Top Lobster]

Yoga, right?

[Unknown Speaker]

Yeah, it's like. It's like yoga.

[Ed Mabry]

Right?

[Unknown Speaker]

So we're.

[Ed Mabry]

We're.

[Unknown Speaker]

Rogan's not telling you that you can, like, I don't know, sort of align your chakras and talk to entities. He's like, no, it's just good for stretching. Do it.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, yeah, it's okay. I mean, I'm all about the stretching. I think it's. But yeah, as long as you're not doing all the, you know, all the prayer and all that kind of stuff, you got to be careful.

[Unknown Speaker]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Ed Mabry]

I mean, again, as another aside, because I was having a conversation with someone about this earlier this week about things like, you know, manifesting my thinking positive thoughts and having an attitude of gratitude. And he asked me, you know, do I think that's getting too close to paganism? And I'm like, no, here's the thing. All of everything, all the lies of. Of the evil ones of Satan and fallen angels, there's always a kernel of truth to it, or you wouldn't believe it. Yeah. They just take the truth and they corrupt it. So what you have to do is. Is understand the truth being. Having gratitude before you ask for something is biblical. But thinking that you can, you know, snap your fingers to make something appear by doing certain rituals around it, well, that's when the corruption comes into play.

[Unknown Speaker]

Yeah. Gratitude is a way to kind of make it through this life without losing your mind.

[Ed Mabry]

Right.

[Unknown Speaker]

You know what I mean? Because I talk about this a lot. Like, I think complaining is the. Is the great commonality between one person and another. So a lot of people make the mistake of, like, whenever you hang out with somebody, it's time to. And moan and. And you do that because somebody else always has something to. And moan about. Next thing you know, you're just that guy that shows up and moans and everybody does it with you, or they avoid you like the plague. You could do the opposite. You can get really good at gratitude. You can get really good at appreciating your life and appreciating the people in it and appreciating the things that you have. And. And that is a. It's a. Like anything. It's a muscle to work out if you draw a lot better if you do that.

[Top Lobster]

How dare you. How dare you call out David Ike like that?

[Ed Mabry]

That's right.

[Unknown Speaker]

He's a bit of a negative Nancy right now.

[Ed Mabry]

All right.

[Unknown Speaker]

He's a little bit of a whiner.

[Top Lobster]

Be better.

[Ed Mabry]

What's interesting is that now I'll. I'll end this whole. That. This little rabbit trail on this. There's that. You know the verse from in the Gospels where Jesus says, when you pray, ask for it as if you already have it, believing that you've already received it. And some people will say, oh, that's manifestation, you know, that, that. Well, yeah, Jesus said that. He said when you pray.

[Unknown Speaker]

Yeah.

[Ed Mabry]

Didn't say when you try to make it happen yourself.

[Unknown Speaker]

Yeah.

[Ed Mabry]

So, but, so, but they can take that, that truth and then corrupt it and then come up with all these, you know, courses on miracles and things like that. But that's not to say that you having a positive attitude won't make you healthier. I think it will. I think the opposite is true. If you're always negative, you're going to be sick.

[Unknown Speaker]

Yeah.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah. And so the Bible tells you, you know, to Paul says, you know, all, you know, dwell on good thoughts, you know, things that are lovely, things that are holy, things that are of good report. Think on those things. Meditate on those things. Why? Because it's going to make your brain healthier, which will make the rest of your body healthy. But, you know, but just don't corrupt it. You know, that's. But that, so that's, that's my whole stance on that.

[Unknown Speaker]

Well, you know where it goes, the corruption is when you stop praying to God because God created all of this. It is laid out some path for you and given you life. And instead you start thanking the universe, which is paganism. Right. You're worshiping the creation, not the Creator, and, and thereby engaging in paganism. And God's like, why are you thanking the thing that I made?

[Ed Mabry]

Exactly.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. Very strange.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah. All right. So, so, so that's how, that's how I get to the point where I believe that, that, you know, the God of the Bible is, is the Creator. So let's talk about what he is made of, quote unquote. And again, because again, we're, we're, we're human beings. We're in this material world. It's hard for us to think of something that's not material as having substance. So go to the, the Epistle of John, the first Epistle of John, verse five. And it says that God is light and there is no darkness in him at all. So what does it mean? God is pure light. 100 light. What is light? In the most rudimentary sense, light is energy. So that's. So what existed before our physical universe was completely the ultimate, ultimate in infinite, for lack of a better term, energy through light. And that is the actual, I want to call it a physical cause of create. That's where the energy to make the creation came from. Because he is light. He's all light. And, and, and so that sounds okay, it's a little vague. What can we say about light? Well, this gets back to our. The first time I was on your show talking about the speed of light and I related it to our consciousness because our brains are electric. When you have a thought, there's electricity going on between the, between the, your neural cells. That is light. That is our consciousness. So what is God? What is the creator? He is 100 consciousness, but he's all consciousness, all energy, all light. And that's where he. That's the means through which he can create our physical world. Because again, our physical world is less substantial than our, than the, than the spiritual realm. The spiritual. Because energy is mostly hot. Some. I got into an argument with a guy online. He says, well, no, you can have cold energy. I'm like, you're missing the point. The point is it's still radiating a form of energy and generally energy is hot. Now maybe you can talk about other types of energies that radiate cold, fine. But the Bible says refers this kind of energy, it's always as heat as fire. When, when Moses asked God, you know, can I see you? God said, no, you can't. No man can see me and live. But I will. I'll hide you in a clap of a rock and I'll pass by and you can, you know, see the, you can see the trail end of me. And what he saw was fire. He saw a burning lamp. So that fireside we talked about how, you know, heaven is hotter, will be hotter than hell because, because of that, that was the other rationale for that because it's. He has all the energy, all the light, all the heat. So that gets back to the angels. The angels are said to be fiery. They're. They're made of fire. I talk about that in the, in the series, the bonus episode I did on angels on the Patreon. They, you know, they're made of light. The, the seraphim, which are one of the classes of angels, of the serpentine ones, they're flying fiery serpents. So these, this is energy. And he used that energy of his consciousness to create everything. So first he created the heavens and the earth. He created a realm of energy, of that spiritual energy that where the Elohim, where they manifested, where they exist. And he also created the physical realm. And when you get to the physical realm and actually in the, the episode I'm going to be dropping either today or over the weekend on, on the next Genesis episode, you know, get into the physics of it about how, you know, the atom on the fundamental level is mostly Nothing. I mean 99.9 of it is empty space.

[Unknown Speaker]

Right.

[Ed Mabry]

The electron is circling around the nucleus of the atom at about a hunt at a ratio of a hundred thousand to one. I think I, I'm sure I gave this analogy before. If you were to take a, a pin and put a pin prick right at the 50 yard line of a football field, the electric that be the nucleus of an atom, then the electrons would be circling through each end zone. That's crazy. If you, if you were to make the nucleus of an atom the size of a baseball, the electrons would be circling at a, at a diameter of seven miles around that mostly empty space. The electron doesn't have weight. Its weight is inferred by its movement. So that's also. And that's what makes the electric electromagnetic field, which gives us the illusion of solidity. Then when you get to the proton, which actually does have weight, but the proton is made up of quarks and leptids and those are basically their vibrations.

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[Ed Mabry]

And so that's all we are. We're basically light and vibration. What are vibrations? Vibrations are words. I mean ordered vibrations or words.

[Top Lobster]

It's crazy that like there's so many people that have just like gotten smashed like by cars falling off buildings, punched in the face. And it's like realistically when you look at it, there's like really not that much there. But there's so much of not much going on that like. Oh, you just exploded into tiny pieces because there's so much of not much that just hit you like Damn.

[Unknown Speaker]

Yeah, Try telling somebody that that the thing they just got hit with is like 99 space, empty space while their nose is broken. I kind of wanted to backtrack a little bit. I, I keep making this connection between like you know, Jesus saying that he is the truth and, and that like, you know, even cartoons got it down. When somebody has a bright idea what happens above their head, they get like a little light bulb, right? Or when you gain a piece of the truth.

[Ed Mabry]

Truth.

[Unknown Speaker]

You are said to be what, you're illuminated, right? And so you're enlightened, you're illuminated. Yeah. So that, that correlation over and over again between like true information, information itself and also God being the truth. And, and like it's, it's just one big enclosed loop.

[Top Lobster]

We did, we just did A show with Brian of demon erasers, and he was showing us the Japanese written language. And when you break it down, it's very cool. I can't even remember, like, all the details that were brought up in the show, but when you break it down, the symbols, all. If they're describing, like, it's like they're describing man and then giants and then lowercase G. Gods.

[Unknown Speaker]

Yes.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, yeah.

[Unknown Speaker]

I can almost show ed.

[Ed Mabry]

Hold on. Wait.

[Unknown Speaker]

I could do it. I could do it. Okay, so. So check this out. And this is more or less the symbol for man, right? More or less the symbol for man. This is the symbol for lowercase G, God. Right?

[Ed Mabry]

Okay.

[Unknown Speaker]

And then this is the symbol for giants. So it's like a combination of man and lowercase g, gods creates.

[Ed Mabry]

Dude.

[Unknown Speaker]

But it's honestly, the Japanese all throughout.

[Top Lobster]

Pretty cool.

[Ed Mabry]

It's in.

[Top Lobster]

It's all. It's all actually Christian. Biblically, I think, like, there were words for, like, redeeming, and it's like, there's a lamb, then there's, like, flowing water. And when you combine those two symbols.

[Unknown Speaker]

Righteousness. Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Dude, it's crazy. It's crazy.

[Ed Mabry]

I heard something similar about. I've called, for lack of a better term, Paleo Chinese, that it's very similar in some cases to Hebrew in. In. In that, you know, the, like. Like the letter A, The. The. The aleph in Hebrew is. Oh, God. I'm gonna. I'm. Screw this. Let me look at it. I'll talk about it next week.

[Unknown Speaker]

But there is, like, these characters are wild.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah. Because some of them look like, you know, in Hebrew. There's one that's like a house. One that's like a bull. You know what? Forget what I just said. I'm. I'm gonna completely screw this up because I haven't looked at this in years. But I'm gonna. I'm gonna talk about it on the next show.

[Unknown Speaker]

I remember one of them was like, what? The symbol for garden. And if you dissected it, it was like. Like really wild. The amount of biblical references that make up the symbol for garden in. In Japanese.

[Ed Mabry]

Very cool. Very cool.

[Unknown Speaker]

It almost makes you feel like. Almost makes you feel like English sucks. But we're. I mean, obviously we're superior. We're better, we're cooler, America's the best. But, you know, almost for a second, I get that feeling, like, this is a more efficient language. But then I remember that, you know, they're Japanese, so.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah. But I do remember, which is, you know, the first letter looks like a It's like a house and like the, the B or the, the Beth. It looks like a. It's like some for leader. So ab, which means father is like the leader of the house.

[Unknown Speaker]

There you go. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ed Mabry]

And so you call that, you'll call, you know, abba father. So ab means father.

[Unknown Speaker]

And that's what's great is you have one character that like conveys so much. That's it's, it's almost like symbolism in a way, because symbolism has that way that it conveys so much meaning in just a couple of symbols. And if you put one symbol next to another, it totally changes the meaning. It's kind of like that instead of individual characters, they've got one symbol that conveys a lot of meaning.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, and symbols do. I mean, symbols, pictures, poetry, which is again, we talked about before, the first chapter of Genesis is poetry. It's just packing a lot of information into a small packet. But a symbol is even smaller packet than poetry. And that's why they're so important for both sides, for, you know, for the good guys and the bad guys. And we, we all know there's symbolism everywhere in our world from, you know, from, from the fallen angels and from Satan and all that kind of stuff. Yeah, we were talking about light, and that's when we get to the entity that we incorrectly call Lucifer. Lucifer is just the, the, the, the, the Latin translation of halal bin Shakar. Yes, that's in Hebrew. Halal bench means light bearer. Ben means son of Shakar means primary light. So halal ben Shakar means light bearer, son of the primary light. The primary light being God. He's like. So, so the energy we call Lucifer, it's not, it's, it's a title. It's not even a name. He's basically. He is the one who bears the light of God. He was the highest created angelic being, and his job was to bear God's light. And he was a worship leader. He was the chief musician from what we were seeing in Ezekiel and Ezekiel 28 and Isaiah 14. That was his job until he got too much pride and he fell. Which, you know, we'll get into. We go to Genesis chapter three. But my point is that, yeah, they were, you know, basically doing transactions in life. It's all about, that's, it's all about light. It's all about heat, fire. And that's what these entities are made of. And that's why we can't be in their presence without, you know, and, and live. That's why every. Every time someone encountered an angel in their full form, they went into a coma.

[Unknown Speaker]

That's interesting too, because in. In Islam they have gin, and. And gin are described as smokeless fire. We've even got a buddy of ours who has seen a thing or two, and one of the. The entities that he's seen pretty regularly is. Is sort of seemingly made of plasma. He's like blue. He's kind of made of fire. Sort of the way he described it I interpreted as like plasma, but he said it was like almost like fire that he was made out of. And so, yeah, whatever the hell.

[Ed Mabry]

He.

[Unknown Speaker]

Said blue in particular. And, and this was just one of like a few people that he encountered. I think he even may have talked to this guy about Jesus. And this guy was like, yeah, he's pretty cool, you know, like something to that effect. And this, this, this guy, I don't know what his occupation was, but he was sat in front of several monitors as if he was in some sort of a control station. And he was surprised to see our buddy. But yeah, he's run into him a few times before.

[Ed Mabry]

I thought was interesting about that is that it shows that anything that's. Anything that's made of light that's not white means it's a derivative of it because, you know, the purest light is white. White light contains all of the entire color spectrum, so. And so, which would mean that if God is the ultimate life, then that light would be just like completely bright white. And then anything else would be less like, you know, blue, red, yellow. All the other colors are. Are lesser forms of light. So when you read in the book of Ezekiel, where again, it's describing the. The fall of. Of the energy we call Satan, it says, you know, all these precious stones where you're covering, and it names all these different stones that have all these different colors. And I think it means two things. One is it looks like this the breastplate of the Jewish high priest. The breastplate of the Jewish high priest would have all. Would have all these different stones, these gemstones on it, which lets us know that this entity, Satan, Lucifer, was the high priest in the temple of God in the heavens. But it's all. But these gems are also colored light. So he was bearing all the light of God and the high. As the high priest does as a representative, you have all the different lights. You bear them because you're representing. You're representing God. So that's what that was his. The. The original fallen angel, Satan. That's his original job. He was bearing the light of God, all of the light.

[Unknown Speaker]

It makes it much more significant too, if you consider, like the rainbow being God's promise essentially to not destroy the world by water.

[Ed Mabry]

Right.

[Unknown Speaker]

And you know, it's like, in one way you could be like, oh, he put pretty lights in the sky when it rains sometimes to remind us that he loves us. But, but, but it's really like if light is what spiritual entities are made out of, then the, the presence of a rainbow becomes much more profound.

[Ed Mabry]

Right.

[Unknown Speaker]

That way.

[Ed Mabry]

That's a good point.

[Unknown Speaker]

Watered it down.

[Ed Mabry]

That's great. I'll probably, I'll mention that when I get to the, to that part of the Genesis series.

[Unknown Speaker]

All right, there we go.

[Ed Mabry]

That's a good point.

[Unknown Speaker]

So let's, let's continue on then. Where are we going?

[Ed Mabry]

So, so that's, so that's really that, like the physics, per se, of God completely made of light, transcendent, supernatural, all those good things. And so he makes. So in the beginning, he creates the heavens and the earth. He creates those two realms, the, the spiritual realm and the physical realm, which again is vibration. It's a hologram. A hologram. That's what we live in. We basically live in a hard light hologram.

[Unknown Speaker]

Yeah, people call it like the holographic universe theory, but I mean, it's not really a theory if we're made of mostly light and space.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, it's, it's, yeah, it is, it's a theory in, in secular science. I mean, the reason that, why it's a theory is because it's just hard to. It's hard to not say, hard to prove, but it's, it's just tough to wrap our minds around.

[Unknown Speaker]

Yeah.

[Ed Mabry]

So. Because they don't have enough equations to really write it out mathematically, but they, but through observation and through deductive reasoning, it's assumed that we live in, in a holographic universe. I mean, just like the Matrix. I mean, we literally are in the Matrix that we, you know, because in the, you know, as you remember from the movie, they could interact. They could, you know, if you got punched in the face, you would feel it, but it wasn't right. Like real, you could experience it, but you could also come out of it and, you know, that's what happens when we die or are raptured. Then we'll come out of that and we'll be in the real world, which hopefully will look much better than the real world Neo came into in the, in the Matrix. So that.

[Unknown Speaker]

I hope so. Yeah, because that was gross. Very Everything was wet and dirty.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah. And gray.

[Unknown Speaker]

Everything was wet and dirty and gray. Yeah.

[Ed Mabry]

So let's. To the angels, which we talked. Started talking about last time and I was talking about that the different types of angels and, and the, the top level ones were the cherubim of which, you know, the Satan was one of them at the time when he was a light bearer and he was. Appeared to be over the seraphim, the. No fiery flying serpent dragons. He's called the dragon throughout the Bible. So that's one class of angels that he was over. Then you have the other cherubim, that one that look like ox or men and lion and eagle. So that may be that they all represented different. So there's maybe a different class of, of angels that all look like birds. A different class of angels that all look like oxy. We see those quite a bit in, in, in artwork, ancient artwork. We'll see the people who. These entities that have the bodies of bulls and like the heads of men. Yeah, we see references to the bulls of Bashan. Bashan being same as Mount Hermon, which is where the fallen angels descended during the. The events of Genesis chapter six with the Nephilim.

[Unknown Speaker]

Look at the Egyptian pantheon, right? You have Horus, he's got the, the head of a bird.

[Ed Mabry]

Right, exactly. Which means these are probably the, the Nephilim descendants of these entities. So. So you have those guys. So. So the next level down from the cherubim, which I believe are the. The count. God's council. So God has his council that surrounds his throne room. And they are, for lack of a better term, they're his court advisors. They're the people who he interacts with, who he makes decisions with, not because he needs them to make decisions, but for two reasons. One, he and God enjoys sharing his authority. We see throughout the Bible. He says, hey, you guys are in charge of this. I just wanna, I wanna interact with you guys. I want to hang out. I don't want to be the boss. Remember, on the seventh day, God rested, meaning he seeks his activity as the first cause. And he said he gave it over to the rest. He says if you look at, if you want to look at some of the things that God. Oh yeah, there we go. If you want to look at some of the things that God doesn't like to do very much, look at how much time he spends on them. He spends very little time in creation. He spends very little time on judgment. You know, creation. He is one, one and a half chapters in Genesis, you know, the final Judgment. Those. The bowls of wrath. Done. He wants. He doesn't. He doesn't like doing that stuff. He wants. He spends most of his time building relationships, interacting. That's what God wants to do. He wants to.

[Unknown Speaker]

That's like, I tell my kid when. When I have to punish my kid. I'm like, do you think I enjoy doing this? Like, I don't enjoy doing this. I want to have a good time, man. I want to hang out. I don't want to punish you and send you to your room because you're doing X, Y, and Z. Yeah, man, that's. Yeah, there you go.

[Ed Mabry]

Right? Let's say you build a treehouse for your kid. You want to get that done because you don't want to just build stuff. You want to play with your kid in the tree house. So, yeah, I'm sure God enjoy creating, but he says, okay, I want to. I want to get this creation done so I can hang out with these guys so I can show them, like, look at this beautiful world I made for you. Let's. Let's have. Let's hang out and let's have some fun in it. Let's. Let's talk. That's what he wants to do. So he wants to turn that over. And so when you have the Council of 70, again, God likes sharing authority. And the other reason is, again, because he likes turning that over to other people and getting their input. Why. Why wouldn't you? I mean, I'll ask my kids. Where do you guys want to go on vacation this year? I'm gonna make the final decision, but I want to hear from them. You know, I think. What did my kids say? He. They said, they. Oh, they. They want to go to. Oh, crap. My wife was just telling me, oh, they want to go to Cabo.

[Unknown Speaker]

Okay, yeah, we want to go to Cobb.

[Ed Mabry]

Like, why? Because all of our. All our friends in school have gone to Cabo. I'm like, okay, that's. That wouldn't be the first place I would take a kid. But okay, we'll think about it.

[Unknown Speaker]

Everybody on Tick Tock is on Cabo. And that's what I see Every. Every time my wife is strolling or scrolling through Tick Tock. I' these people, they ruin it, by the way, too. A little sidebar. It's like these people, they. They highlight, like a really cool place in a tropical location, and then by the time you get there, there's like 80, 000 tourists there, and they're all taking selfies because they saw it on Tick tock too. So tell them that they can't go to Cabo because tick tockers ruined it.

[Ed Mabry]

There are other parts of Mexico that I'd much rather go to that are a little quieter, a little more authentic. Cabo's like Little America to me. I'm like, I, I don't, you know, I'll just go to Vegas and wonder if I want to do that crappy, you know, it's just Vegas by the sea. I'd rather go to some place. I'm going to have some real good food, talk to some, you know, real people and anyway, but the point is getting off topic again. Is that so, so God has a council of 70. We're going to talk about them again later on. But. So that's the next level now that's they're not necessarily a race or class. They may be a mixture of the different types of the different classes of angels. But he, they have a high level position and they're the ones who he interacts with. They're the ones we see in First Kings when, you know, they're talking about how they, how Ahab needs to go out, how he, they need to take care of him. And God says, hey, Ahab's done. He's an evil king. Let's take him out. And says, what? How should we do it? And of course the angels start discussing amongst each other and one says, you know, I'm going to be a lying spirit in the, in the mouth of one of his prophets and you know, to lead him up to his doom. And God said, yeah, good idea. We're supposed to do that, that, so that's the next level. And then you have archangels who are the archangels? The archangels are basically, they're the military. When you see the archangels depicted in the Bible and an extra biblical sources, they're always warriors. Now there's only one who's in the Bible, in the canon of the Bible who's definitively called an archangel, and that's Michael. There's a, that there's a thought that Gabriel, who's the other angel who's named, we talked about this last week that, you know, he doesn't name the angels because we would start worshiping them. That's right, worship them already. Even though we don't only know their names. So there's, there's a thought that Gabriel could also be an archangel because if we see in David, excuse me, in Daniel, there's an angel who's fighting, you know, the prince of power of Persia and has something by the prince of the power of Greece. And some people say it's Gabriel possibly. But if that's the case, then, you know, maybe he is an archangel, but Michael is the archangel that, that he's. Every time you see Michael in the Bible, he is a, a warrior on behalf of Israel. So there's possibly an archangel that's over all that. That is the worry that fights on behalf of all the nations. Maybe these are the ones who got, who got put over the nations in, in after Babel, which we see in amplified in Deuteronomy 32 where he says, no, he divided the nations up according to the, to the sons of God Elohim. But the archangels are warriors and they appear to have a great deal of power, but they're lower than the cherubim. We know that because in the book of Jude we see the verse where it says that even when, when Michael the Archangel was contesting with the devil with the dragon over the body of Moses, he, he did not bring a railing accusation against him, but he said the Lord rebuke you. So they were fighting, but he wasn't able to defeat Satan on his own without invoking God's name. So that, that would lead us to believe that the archangels were a level, at least a level below the, the cherubim, but they're warriors. Question is, why would God make warriors before there was war unless he knew that there's a possibility of it happening?

[Unknown Speaker]

And that's typically. Or go ahead, top.

[Top Lobster]

Sorry, I see. Yeah, he's like, we're going to need these people eventually.

[Unknown Speaker]

And that checks out too because typically in a society the warrior class is beneath the priest class, so that there is, there is hierarchy. And typically it's, you know, if we're talking about stripping the robes off the nakash in the garden and you know, Justin Brown calls them priestly robes and giving them to Adam instead, then it, it kind of opens the idea that there are warrior class of angels potentially and maybe there are, are sort of a priest class, for lack of a better term of angels. And they would rank higher than them if it was anything like the way we structure our civilizations.

[Ed Mabry]

Exactly. And so that's why I am putting the archangels below the cherubim and also below the council. That, I mean, I'm not going to be dogmatic about that, but I'm just thinking about how they seem to interact in the Bible. And the council seems to have a really high level position. And then you have a group called the Watchers. Now These appear to be. Maybe they're on the same level as the archangels or maybe below. So I. I just decided to make them next. I don't have anything definitive to say that they're a level below the archangels, but I'm just assuming, because we'll see, that the Watchers were the ones, were among the ones who fell. Am I. Am I frozen on your screen?

[Unknown Speaker]

Yeah, give it a couple of. Couple of seconds. It'll probably fix itself.

[Ed Mabry]

Okay.

[Unknown Speaker]

What you can do is stop your camera and start it again.

[Ed Mabry]

Oh, wait. There we go.

[Unknown Speaker]

You're figuring it out.

[Ed Mabry]

There you go.

[Unknown Speaker]

You're back. No big deal.

[Ed Mabry]

Okay, I'm gonna start. I'm gonna stop it for a second and see if I can.

[Unknown Speaker]

Sure.

[Ed Mabry]

Get it back.

[Unknown Speaker]

Yeah, sometimes I get a little goofy. Mine always tries to adjust for light and then freezes.

[Ed Mabry]

Okay. I also may have too many windows open.

[Unknown Speaker]

That could be it too.

[Ed Mabry]

All right. I'm trying to do any other windows I can close. Should have done that earlier. Give me a second, guys.

[Unknown Speaker]

It could actually just be Internet connection. Yep, there it goes. You're. You're kind of moving around regular. As soon as I said that, you start freezing. While you do that, though, I do want to kind of think about and talk about.

[Ed Mabry]

Go ahead.

[Unknown Speaker]

You're closing those. Okay. What the Watchers were relegated to do. It just seems like they were meant to observe, you know, mankind for whatever reason, if that's all they were meant to do. Because you look at the. The. The archangels, and it's clear, like, they're going around, they're fighting battles, they're going on missions. The Watchers, they watched. Like, they just watched. And in that way, I could almost feel like they were more susceptible to falling and accepting worship than maybe a lot of other classes of angels were because of the fact that, like, all they're tasked with is to observe, you know, and if that is really all they're tasked with, then you're just sitting there looking at these things day in, day out, and, you know, your only interaction with them is watching. And then if. If one of them should be aware that you exist and start venerating you or worshiping you in some way, like, yeah, that's a. That's a break from. From the norm. Maybe. Maybe that would be enough. If your occupation isn't as adventurous as the archangels, maybe that would be enough to cause you to fall.

[Top Lobster]

It. That reminds me of with Jonathan telling us that story about him, I guess when he came in contact with what he described as Odin. Right? Remember that?

[Unknown Speaker]

Yeah, yeah.

[Top Lobster]

So he was, he was in charge of just watching the people. And at one point he goes to the, his overarching small G God and he's like, hey, I don't want to watch anymore. I want to get involved. And that guy's like, hell yeah, here's. And then he like knights him to do that. So it's kind of like, yeah, if, if that, that was the same mistake that he made previously, I would understand why you'd want that tendency in one of your offspring or you know, someone's picking up.

[Unknown Speaker]

That was such a wild moment because earlier on in that episode he wanted to read tarot cards and, and my dumb ass almost allowed him to do it before. Top was like, probably don't do that. And I was like, oh yeah, you're right. And then by the end of it he's like, yeah, I did past life regressive hypnosis and I was a watcher and I was talking to Odin and I was asking Odin if I could go down and incarnate in an avatar so that the people would know that I'm real. Because they don't know that I'm real anymore. They think that I'm an allegory. And so they've stopped praying to me. And, and this Odin character goes, yeah dude, you can incarnate. And yet Top said he kind of like knights him and then sends him on his way. And then I find out that Azazel also was missing an eye. It was taken from us punishment. And that he's responsible for the same things that Odin is when it comes to metallurgy. Creating weapons of war, creating armor, or teaching rather people how to create weapons and create armor. And so I'm like, yeah, dog, you're just talking to.

[Ed Mabry]

As a, when we get to, to chapter six, I wanna, I wanna riff with you guys about that too. About who we think some of these. Because again we know that these, the fallen angels and the Nephilim were the crew, were the figures of mythology. They were the gods and the demigods. And it's interesting trying to trace those back. Like I said, Azazel, Isaiah was, you know, who, who are their real names? We know, we know that's the real name. But who are they, you know, in as they're being worshiped? Is it Odin? Is it Ra? Is it set? Also, you know, how can we map, map them to the other so called gods in the other cultures that seem to do the similar things? Like you know, you have, you have Satan, who is, you know, light, you know, the light bearer. And some people relate him to the storm God baal, who you can also relate to Zeus, who's also the God of lightning.

[Unknown Speaker]

Right, right.

[Ed Mabry]

You know, the sun God. Interesting stuff.

[Unknown Speaker]

There's somebody that you should talk to. I don't know if you have, but our boy Jules of the Gray Pilled podcast, he's kind of a new up and comer in this space case, but he does a really great job. He focuses a lot on tracking them from what would have been like their Sumerian titles to their, you know, their Greek or their Mayan or, you know, what have you. And, and he does a great job of. Of doing just that. Like, oh, yeah, there's a lot of similarities between this character and this character, and they're separated by oceans and time, but they have the exact same attributes. And so what he's doing is, is kind of. I think it would be great one day if he could ever come up with a physical representation of that. Like a big map that we could look. Yeah, like a family tree, but instead of tracking individual offspring, you're tracking one entity's, you know, lineage or not even lineage, just. Just presence and their name changes.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, I'd love to talk to him. I'd love to have to be a guest on the show or vice versa. We can talk about that, you know, offline. But yeah, if you want to drop my name to him, you know.

[Unknown Speaker]

Oh, yeah, you'd find his, his what he's doing very, very interesting. He. He does a great job. We have the Sumerian, like Enki and Enlil and who they actually were sort of thing. So, yeah, we'll. We'll set that up. Got it. Gotta make it happen.

[Ed Mabry]

So back to the watches. Now that my camera seems to be working better after I've got. I think I had to close Photoshop it. I looked and it was taking up a lot of. A lot of memory. So. So the watchers, in addition to. Yes. Watching that was, you know, pretty obvious in the job description. They weren't just watching, like, you know, being spies. They were watching because they were put over certain aspects of creation. They were meant by watching. They were meant to be like, you know, like. Think of it like a watchman. A watchman is someone who's like, you know, like your security guard is considered your watchman at night. What is he doing? He is over a certain area. He's protecting it. So. Right. We'll see throughout the Bible, there are angels over different areas. There's we see in Revelation, there's an angel over the sun. He taught we see him in during the bowls of Wrath, when one of the bowls of Wrath is the sun scorching men. And the angel, and it says, you know. And the angel of the sun says, you know, Lord, you are holy, so forth and so on. We know that there are angels over the wind. There are four angels that hold back the four winds of the earth. There's angel of the Waters. So these are watchers. They are given task over creation. And when we get to the book of Job after, you know, if we have the introduction to who Job is and how he's a good guy and does all these religious things for God, it says that they know. They came a day where the sons of God, the Banai Elohim, came to present themselves before Jehovah. And, you know, Hasatan comes with them. But what are they doing? The. They're. They're presenting themselves. They're getting a report on what's going on in the world. These are the Watchers. So these watchers come before God and they say, you know, and they're basically giving them their report. And of course, the Hasatan comes along with them to give his report, and that's. We'll get into that. We get into Job. But that's. The Watchers, They. They are given a certain level of authority over creation. And they are. And they also. They do, you know, observe people. And. And in that observation, I think they saw the ones who decided to fall. They saw that, hey, you know what? We. If we have intercourse with women, we can make our own spiritual physical hybrids, which is, you know, the whole origin of the Nephilim flame. So that's not to say that all the Watchers didn't fall, because we see later in the Book of Daniel that there are still holy Watchers, just like we know all the seraphim, even though they were reptilian, they all. They didn't all fall with Satan. There's still some in heaven. But some of them obviously did fall. And I. And yeah. And so we would watch.

[Top Lobster]

Would the Watchers be. You said, principalities? What. What exact. Because there are. They're showing nine types of angels here. But would they have a specific type of name?

[Ed Mabry]

Possibly. I think they might have been principalities. That was. That's where I was going to go next. So. Yeah. Thank you. No, no, no, no, it's all good. You're just. You're going exactly where I wanted, where I wanted us to end up. And that would be if you want to go to. What is it? Ephesians 6:12. And these appear to be titles that the apostle Paul gave to the spiritual evil. Because it says. It starts off by saying, we know we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but let me know when you have it pulled up. Or I can just start reading. Yeah, here we go. Okay, go for sure. So you rest. Not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the ruler of dark rules, of darkness of this world, against spiritual weakness, wickedness in high places. So these in the Greek are words like the restaurant, against the asusia, the porneo, the cosmetic. So these are. These appear to be titles, but these are titles that appear to be reserved for the fallen one. So I don't know if there are holy angels who have some of these names. However, we do know that there are some angels that are called a prince, but I don't think that's a title. Why? Because the archangel Michael is called. Called the prince. A prince. He's called the Prince of Israel. In fact, in that same passage in Daniel chapter 10 that I talked about before, where though there's the angel who has to fight against the Prince of Persia, and he says, I was not able to overcome the prince of Persia until Michael, your prince, came to help me. So I think prince, prince or principalities possibly means that they are the ones who are over the nations. The. The Babel incident, which we'll get into. When God divides the nations into 70, it appears he puts a principality or prince over each one of those nations. So they are a level where they fall in the hierarchy. I'm not sure exactly. They may. There's possibility that they were council members who fell when God put them over the nations.

[Unknown Speaker]

Or maybe they are watchers that that becomes. It fits into the theme. And the theme is that every time I think I understand something, I find out that it's more of a title or an occupation. Right. So it's like when it comes to Lucifer, well, that's the morning star. That's the light bearer. Right. When it comes to even ball, right. Ball means lord or king. When it comes to Satan, it means the adversary. And so it seems like all these things are. So I guess where the negative connotation comes from in my mind is where it talks about how we struggle against powers and principalities. And that to me sounds like. Like these are the things that are pitted against you. And so when. When you go, okay, there are angels that are put over these different places. They are the powers and principalities and, and so that I do the connection of, well, fallen angels. But it's like, I guess they don't have to be fallen necessarily. They're. It's. It's a title. And.

[Ed Mabry]

But some, but some of the titles are specifically just for like principalities could be. I think either or. I think the principalities were initially they were, you know, God put them over the nations to. To rule justly, but they didn't. So they just by de facto became evil principalities. But again, there's. There's only one, as far as we know, one good principality, and that's Michael, who was, you know, put over God's nation of Israel. And Michael never fell. But when you look at a spiritual wickedness in high places, that's the term perneo pneumonicai, where. What's the first part of that porneo? That. So that's spiritual wickedness. That's talking. That's talking about the wickedness of sexuality. So there are entities that are over that. The, the wickedness of porneo, of fornication, of. Of illicit sex done as a part of. Of illicit worship.

[Unknown Speaker]

This is a fascinating point. I'd like to get some, you know, get your idea on. But Doomsday Cracker says that Christ is called the morning star in Revelation. And, and so I, I'm an idiot. If I had to explain that, I would say that it's what we're seeing then in Lucifer, the morning star, the light bearer, given that he's a fallen, is an inversion of that title because it seems to be what they do. But given my limited knowledge, that's about as far as that train of thought can take me. Do you have any thoughts on that?

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah. So morning is the first light. Lucifer was a son of the first light, but so is Jesus. Jesus is it. But Jesus is unique. So he can call Jesus a morning star when you call him. Okay, so a star again is. Is a form of. Is an idiom for the spiritual beings you see in the Book of Job. It says that we know and God lay the foundations of the earth. The Banai Elohim, the sons of God shouted for joy and the morning stars sang for joy. Joy. So, so again, using poetic language, morning star, sons of God means the same thing. So Jesus is also a. Is. Is the Son of God, but he is the unique. When he says the only begotten Son of God, he's in a unique position. He is the. The Son of God, but he is the unique one. So that. So it's accurate to call him a morning star, to call him a son of the first light. And Lucifer was also a son of the first light, but he was a different one. And he's no longer. He no longer bears that title. But again, it's a title that's.

[Unknown Speaker]

I've seen people go into this.

[Ed Mabry]

This is called the Bright and Morning Star. So that also signifies him, the person who, who's just in the chat. Yeah, no, it was, it was correct to use that, but you have to use a full title. Jesus is called the Bright and Morning Star, meaning he has a different level of brightness of light while still being a son of God.

[Unknown Speaker]

I wonder if that is, you know, the, the passage from the Bible that gives rise to this idea where people start to go off about that. That Lucifer and Jesus are, are actually like siblings, right?

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, that's, that's, that's. That's a part of Mormonism. Yeah, but, but that has to do with, with their theology of. There's the pagan root of it is this balance, this, this yin and yang, which you also see in some, some Asian cultures. And that is the idea that you need light and darkness to balance each other out. You need good and evil to balance each other out. That's a big tenet in Buddhism. But that idea only benefits the darkness, right? Light doesn't need darkness. Darkness needs light. Good doesn't need evil. Evil needs good. Why? What is the definition of good? Good is that which creates evil is that which destroys good does not need evil to create. Evil can't destroy something hasn't been created yet. So good has to create something for evil to tear down.

[Top Lobster]

What do you. Sorry to interrupt. What do you think about their idea of the Heavenly Mother? This was an idea that was presented to us. We did an episode with some Mormons, the listeners of the show, and they presented us with that idea. And I was like, huh, that's weird. It's interesting, but I don't know how much veracity I would give to that.

[Ed Mabry]

That the idea of the Heavenly Mother is that the, the female, the human female is able to birth life. That is what differentiates, among other things, differentiates the male role from the female role. So the, if you extrapolate that, then someone would say, well, if whatever force birthed our life, our physical life must be female. Okay, yes and no. To the degree that God does not have a gender, we call God the Father not because he has a penis. God is called our Father because he has the role of a father. A father is the leader of the house. So that's why he's called Father, whereas the mother is the one who, who is the, the nurturer, the Creator. But God's not creating anymore. He stopped his creation. And when he initiated, you know, the, the seventh day, when he said, when he started resting, he stopped. Stopped being in that role. So, yes, he did have the role of the, of the one who creates life, but he does not do that anymore. So. And so. So that's where that idea comes from. So, no, there is no celestial mother, unless you want to consider that to be God, but not because God is female, nor is he male in, in our physical sense. He has the role of Father, which is a male role, which is why he always uses the male pronoun when he talks about himself. Again, not because he's a physical male, but because that's the role he has. Just like holy angels only present as male because. Because angels are servants. They're ministering spirits. The good ones are. So they only present as male because that's the role they have. That, that is the role of men. We're supposed to be servants. We're supposed to protect and provide and serve. The role of the female is to bring life and to nurture and, and to be. And to be relational, which is why we are all called. If you're Christians, you're called the Bride of Christ. Well, I'm not a woman. How am I bright? Because that's our role. Our role is a, is a feminine role as compared to Jesus's masculine role. Jesus is the one who sacrificed himself. He's the one who serves. He's the one who's the one who ministers. He's the one who gives us causes. And I'm getting into stuff that we have to have John Lenhardt back on to talk about the role of men and women. He does a great job of that. But the role of a male is to give causes. The role of the women is to take those causes and, and make effects from them.

[Unknown Speaker]

I think there's a lot of. I'm sorry, go ahead.

[Ed Mabry]

No, but, but basically, that's what we do. We're supposed. If we're. If you're a good male, you're giving your woman the causes you are protecting. You're providing, you are giving her safe space. And then she uses her beauty, the harmony, the nurturing that she takes your causes, and then she makes harmony with. With it. That's what we're supposed to do. God provided the causes. He gave us creation. Now we're supposed to make all the effects Happen. That's what he told Adam and Eve. Go, be fruitful. Multiply. Fill the earth. Make it whatever you want. Here are your causes. Your job is to make all the effects. And we're supposed to mirror that in our marriages. We give our wives the causes and let them make all the effects, like I will. You know, I was the one who put the down payment down on the house. I've been saving up. I have my investments and everything I made. And so we use that to put our down payment on our house. My wife decorated the crap out of our house. It doesn't even look like a man lifts her. I'm kidding. But in all seriousness, though, I don't want to do that. I wanted her to take that and make. She's the one who has pillows on everything. My God, why are there so many bloody pillows in my house? So many pillows.

[Unknown Speaker]

I don't understand the pillow thing. Why do women. I. I appreciate the homemaking, but it just. I look at it and I go, why the pill? I have one pillow. I'll use one pillow. I'll push all the pillows to the side. Side.

[Ed Mabry]

Why are we doing. There's so many pills. I can't even sit down on my couch. There's so many pillows and I can't see. My boys and I fight with the pillows and we throw them at each other. My wife freaks out. I'm like, they're called throw pillows.

[Unknown Speaker]

That's exactly why I don't. If you go over to Top's house, Top has like a big sectional with, like, all the pillows are essentially removable. I can't do that because I know as soon as I get that, that's what's gonna happen. Me and my kid are gonna be pillow fighting. And then 17 times a day, I'm gonna be cleaning up pillows and putting them back on the sofa. That's why I won't do it. It. But you were talking about.

[Ed Mabry]

Go ahead. Last, last story. Like, you know, I lived in an apartment. My wife, when I. When we were dating, in my apartment, you know, I was making decent money. I could afford. I had the most expensive black couch I could. Leather couch I could have. I had the most expensive tv. All my money went to my couch, my tv, my sound system and stuff in my kitchen because I love to cook. The important everything else, I didn't care. There was nothing on my walls. It was total bachelor. All my money went into stereo system, big ass tv, big, you know, overpriced leather couch. And my wife came in, she had to. But she put all the beautiful stuff in it. So that was my whole point about our, our roles. So to wrap up. That's. That's why. So God is not female in the sense that he's not about effects, he's about causes.

[Unknown Speaker]

He gives you angels. That, that. You said something before. That's why righteous angels manifest as men. Is that what you say? Good.

[Ed Mabry]

Yes. Because the role of an angel, and this is in the Bible, angels are ministering spirits. Their job is to minister, means to serve. And we've completely inverted that role in our churches. We call the minister the leader. He's the head guy. He's. Everyone's supposed to serve him. No, a true minister is supposed to serve others. That's the role of a pastor of a church. If you call yourself a minister of a church, then you are basically saying that your role is to serve others, not to be served. And I don't know, it's a huge thing in the black community to have these. You'll go, you go to church, you quasi worship the pastor and they have like, they have a service, the pastor appreciation service. I kid you not. I went to so many of those as a kid where we would just talk great things about the pastor of the church. They would take up a collection to give this dude more money. And you're not a minister. You're supposed to be serving the rest of us.

[Unknown Speaker]

That's a slippery slope. That's a very slippery slope.

[Ed Mabry]

But yeah, but so ancient always know, because they're ministers. They're supposed to be servants. They're supposed to be about causes, not about effects.

[Unknown Speaker]

So that idea that a righteous angel manifests as a male is interesting because Lucifer being associated with the morning star, which is also what Venus, the planet Venus is associated with, and Ishtar is associated with that and that planet Venus. And it seems that, you know, I was talking to you about how Gray pilled Podcast Jules will do that. He'll try to figure out what are the original names and can you trace them through. Here's what the Sumerians call them, etc. And sometimes in that through line, you'll find that a female entity has the same characteristics or titles as a. As what was previously a male entity. And, and it's. I, I would say that certainly the fallen are not righteous angels. And so maybe they're just doing a bunch of that, taking advantage of that too. Right. Because it does seem they can present as female. Yes, they'll present as female. And then, and then you'll start to get what you're getting right now, which is the guy who retrieved the egg from the, the mountain range that we saw the UAP thing recently. He's talking about how as he's driving the helicopter, he is, is possessed seemingly by a spirit and it is a female spirit. And to him it is the spirit of God. That is how he interpreted it. Just in no, in no masculine sense is what he said. And this whole like divine feminine thing which is huge in the new age movement is, is really being driven home right now in a bunch of different ways on the world stage. And to me I'm like, yeah, it makes sense because we're in this binary, right? Male and female down here, those are the only genders. And we look at things through that lens. But to try to attribute that to, to God would probably be short sighted. You know, that would be in our own limited understanding. But you could take advantage of that by presenting as a female entity and being like, yeah, friggin, you know, the heavenly mother or whatever.

[Ed Mabry]

We tend to want to anthropomorphize things that we don't understand because it make them into human beings. We put them, you know what, when you think of God, what do you think of a big guy with a, with a big white beard? Because he's old? Of course not. God is light. He doesn't look like that. But, but when you talk about the divine female, that's what we talked about earlier, about taking the truth and corrupting it. Is a female divine? Yes. So is a male. We're both divine because we are creations of God for that, that purpose. But so they take that truth that there is something divine about the female. Female can carry life and birth life. So yes of course women are extraordinarily valuable and God values women. And that's why he tells us that we're supposed to love our wives like we love our own bodies. We're supposed to give our lives for our wives. So there's no disrespect in the Bible for women. Just the opposite. Women are revered in the Bible. We're supposed to die for them. There's no greater reverence you can give someone than to be willing to die for them. Jesus died for his bride, us. So but, but when you take that and you try to make, well it's a divine female, which means that this divine female is on is like God's partner. God had a wife that he birthed the universe with. No, now you're overdoing it. Now you're over anthropomorphizing. God. Like, you know, the Mormons believe that God had sex with Mary and that's how he birthed sheets, like physical intercourse that would have made Jesus a nephilim. No, that is not what happened. So when you overdo it, when you, when you try to humanize God to a degree that you put all these human attributes on him, that's a problem, because humanity is flawed. And if you try to make God too human, you start to put human flaws onto him. This is like when Oprah back. I don't think she ever was a Christian, but back in, when she first came out, you know, I guess, what, late 80s or whatever, when she was first on her show, when she first had her show, she said that she was no longer a Christian, that she grew up Christian, but she can no longer be a Christian because she saw the, the verse that said that God is a jealous God. And she said, well, I cannot worship someone who's jealous because jealousy is, you know, is, is a bad term. It's, you know, it's a negative emotion. Yeah. Again, you're taking your human definition of jealousy and putting it on God. That does not mean. Jealousy is aspects of insecurity. God is not insecure. Jealous means. It means it'd be more accurate to say he's zealous for it. I mean, he wants you and he wants you to only worship him. He is zealous for your worship. That's what he means. He means he doesn't want you to worship other gods. Not because he's insecure and thinks all other gods are better than him. Because, no, it's harmful if you worship these other gods. So he's jealous for your worship. He covets it. Not for his sake, for your sake. He. He doesn't want you to. He. He's jealous of your, of you and you not worshiping other gods because it's going to harm you. He's doing it for your sake, not for his.

[Unknown Speaker]

It's also wild to, for Oprah to take such a hard stance against God, but, you know, perfectly willing to associate with John of God, who ended up being a human trafficker. It was one of the most, most I, I'd say the largest women's suffrage organization that she was associated with. And this guy was claiming to be rescuing battered women. Whatever the case may be, she blew him up, made him huge, gave him everything he ever needed to create a baby farming factory where he was just taking women and binding them against their will, impregnating them, and then selling children and so, yeah, yeah, big problem with, with God, the creator of the universe. Not a big problem with John of God, though. He crushes.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, I, I misspoke. I don't wanna. I can't judge her. Maybe she was a Christian at some point in her life. I cannot say she was never. Maybe she was. She was raised in a church, but at some point she left it because she is clearly by her own, her own work. She's, she's. She's more into the new age. She's more into, you know, all the Secret and Eckhart Tolle and all that kind of stuff. So if she ever was a Christian, which she might have been, then I, I don't know. But she, at this point, she evolved into. I think she left the faith by her own admission.

[Unknown Speaker]

Well, maybe she was a Christian. But, you know, you drink a baby or two and it has a way of changing that.

[Ed Mabry]

Hey, you can, you can, you can sacrifice. You can make these deals with. You literally can. I mean, I know we. The Faustian bargain is a real thing. I know that. I'm not. I'm preaching to the choir here. But you know that you can make these deals with these fallen entities and they can make you fabulously wealthy and successful.

[Unknown Speaker]

They give you the best talk show on, on cable television. They give you several mansions. They might even set Maui on fire so that you can come in there and buy up all the land on the cheap. I don't know what the. I don't know what they do, but I just, you know, I'm just spitballing here.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, you look at, you know, I'm not gonna name this. I guess I could. But, you know, there are plenty of celebrities that, you know, that are not that talented, who make ridiculous amounts of money. And then you find out, you look at. At their work and you see all the signs of, Of Satanism in there, that they've really given themselves over to it. And they say, you know what? I will trade my soul, I will trade my eternity to promote your stuff.

[Unknown Speaker]

Bob Dylan. Bob Dylan is like, you listen to Bob Dylan. You're like, how did this happen? Why are you successful? You sound terrible. And then there's a interview with him where he's like, well, I sold my. I sold my soul. Because the guy's asking him, they're like, bob Dylan, you're ancient. Why are you still touring? Why are you still waking up in the morning? How are you still alive? And he's like, well, I made a.

[Ed Mabry]

Deal and the guy's like it was 60 Minutes. Ed Bradley. I think it was that Bradley.

[Top Lobster]

That's right.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, yeah.

[Unknown Speaker]

Very famous interview. What did he say? I made a deal with the chief commander of, of this realm in a realm that you can't see.

[Ed Mabry]

Right, right.

[Top Lobster]

I think, I don't think there's really anybody at the like these highest levels of Hollywood or entertainment or music or anything like, like maybe there's one guy, Chris Pratt.

[Ed Mabry]

Right.

[Top Lobster]

But I just don't, I like Chris Pratt too, but I just don't think you get there and are able. Are allowed to hold Christian or values. Yeah, yeah, that's a good point.

[Unknown Speaker]

Our Lord dog.

[Top Lobster]

I just, Yeah, I, I think that you, you make a deal and you get the earthly kingdom. That's like what they have to offer.

[Ed Mabry]

You here is just my opinion. No fact, because I don't know, I knew a couple of celebrities growing up because growing up in la, you're going to meet some event, you know, here and there. Like, you know, I, I was, I was kind of cool with Urkel for a little while. He and I knew each other. We went to, went to the same school anyway. But he. Interesting guy actually. Very, very smart guy. I mean, you know, down to earth kid. Even though he plays this weirdo on, on this.

[Unknown Speaker]

I've seen interviews with him. He seems very likable.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, yeah, cool, Cool kid. I say kid because he was like. I think he's like seven years younger than me. Something like that. Thereabouts. Anyway, I think that a lot of them get into these deals and, and a lot of these deals have like a lot of. Exactly like he remembers them, these sex, the sexuality stuff. And that's why they, people get into the, the, you know, the getting it after kids and.

[Unknown Speaker]

Yeah.

[Ed Mabry]

Getting into all these elicit stuff. So they have blackmail stuff on you, but you get, you can get initiated against, you know, I would say against your will, but you get initiated sexually.

[Unknown Speaker]

Yeah.

[Ed Mabry]

And, and that's part of it. But then when we talk about the ones we come who are espouse Christianity later, I think a lot of them are trying to get out of it.

[Unknown Speaker]

Oh, I believe that.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah. And I mean a good example of that is, you know, Justin Bieber. I mean it's come out that, you know, P. Diddy, you know, kind of initiated him.

[Unknown Speaker]

Yeah.

[Ed Mabry]

But he also, he, he, he was espousing Christ for a long time. And I wonder if, I don't know for sure. I've never met, met Bieber, but I wonder if him and maybe some of the others who are espousing Christ so much are trying to get out of.

[Unknown Speaker]

Those deals, I think. So. He. Bieber was one of the worst when it came to everything that you suspect happens to young Hollywood, you know, stars. I feel horrified for him because I used to make fun of him relentlessly when I was a kid, and now I'm a believer.

[Top Lobster]

I like, I like his music.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah.

[Unknown Speaker]

If you ever listen to the song, I think it's like lonely or I'm so lonely or something like that, like gets messed up, man. It was like he was only like 18 or something when he wrote that song. And it's just like a kid just on the. In the most fundamental way, just saying, I'm so alone and I have all these things, but I have no one. His mother essentially just gave him over to all these Hollywood elites and, and they treat. You know, I remember hearing Whoopi Goldberg, I think when she was justifying the molestation of a 13 year old girl by whatever director that was. I forget which director it was, but. But she's defending it and she's saying there's no such thing as a child in Hollywood. And, and, you know, so if that's the meat grinder that he went through, I feel terrible. I remember seeing videos of Bieber in the club hanging out with NFL players and when the camera came up on him, he was doing something with their belt buckles and he was bent over and when he saw that camera, he like grabbed that camera, brought it into his face to, you know, cut off everything else that you could see. And you could tell by looking in his eyes that this kid is inebriated in the club with, with adult men. So, yeah, man, that that kid is a, is a real victim. And I, you know, I spent a long time making fun of them, but it's a, it's a sad story.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, it really is. I think we'll talk about that more when we get to. I mean, we're probably gonna spend a few episodes on Genesis, chapter six because it's the origin of so much stuff. The, the obviously the nephilim, but also secret societies and all in these deals that people make with the fallen angels for their knowledge, for their gifts and for the things that they can give you for the fame, fortune. And getting back to what we were talking about before about, you know, the female stuff. There's. You talked about how, you know, the divine feminine is really big now, so is the, the Sophia, which is, you know, supposed to be the goddess of wisdom. You'll see that a lot. And you know, the, the goddess Inani, who is, you know, the goddess of female sexuality. And it's believed that she or it. This entity is the one that's over the porn industry. That this is the, the angel of.

[Top Lobster]

Pornography Inani, that, that entity is also related to Ishtar, who's related to the UFO phenomenon. And I think the, that guy, Tim, what's his name? Tim Constantine. That was on.

[Unknown Speaker]

Yeah, yeah, Tim Constantine.

[Top Lobster]

He was, he was saying that that might, that she might represent the Whore of Babylon as well. Like a, like more of a principality that has come over to America or the west, like maybe the 50s to 70s that kind of started this whole weird esoteric, you know, what's his name, L. Ron Hubbard, Jack Parsons kind of stuff. Like once, once we started getting fascinated with outer space, this is where Inani or Ishtar comes into play. And then you also get all the stuff that comes with it.

[Unknown Speaker]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ed Mabry]

So, so those are. So. Yeah, so we've kind of gotten into, into the dark hierarchy of angels. And so yeah, so they, so when, when the ones who fell, I think they may keep their, their title because they have a certain level of power. So not. They're not all the same levels. The cherubim are more powerful, I believe, than the, than the Watchers or. And the archangels are a different level of power. But when you fall, you. When, when they fail, they still maintain the level of power. So if you are a principality, fallen principality, then you have more power than say, you know, a rank and file messenger Major angel and Angelos Malakim. And. And so they still have the same hierarchy. So I want to get to. Because I know we're probably getting close to time now. I want to talk about. We can. We'll just discuss this more next time is the, the rebellion and the civilization. So there was a. So God made all these. So the reason for bringing up these different types, these classes, races of angels, if you want to put it that way, is that, that why did God make them differently? Because He. He was making a civilization he wanted. They were his first shot at a civilization that was in the heavens and earth. Remember He. God made the heavens and the earth and he. They were over it. And they had a. They created a civilization that encompassed both. They were. They. I guess they could freely go into the spiritual realm, into this material realm. So that's why I never get hung up on the age of the Earth. Because we don't know how long these entities were good before they rebelled. But there was a Rebellion, because we see the results of it in, in the second verse. So this civilization, what was it like? Well, we don't know a ton about it. We have to infer a lot. But again, there was hierarchies. There were angels who were in charge of certain things. There were angels who were lower ranked, who did you know, who had I guess lower ranking jobs. But they had a civilization that was apparently working for some unknown period of time. And you know, maybe this explains why there are certain artifacts around the world that we can't explain. Certain remnants of, of buildings, of structures on the earth and underwater. I mean I'm really fascinated by a lot of these structures that we see underwater that, you know, just can't explain how they, how they got there and how they were built.

[Unknown Speaker]

But do you see a lot of stuff like melted castles with tools stuck in the melting melted rock? Tools stuck in the melted rock. Like what, what?

[Top Lobster]

It's dragon stuff. Do you think that God. So it's like he is, he's omnipotent, all knowing. But do you think that that comes from being around for so long or just like, like that out the box? Because if you created that angelic civilization you created and you're like, then after a while you're like man, I gave these guys eternal life. This doesn't work.

[Ed Mabry]

Work.

[Top Lobster]

And then you have to do it again. It's like from experience, you know what I mean? Or do you think that he's just knows everything?

[Ed Mabry]

That's a good question. Because I was, I don't know if I did this in, in one of my Q and A's or maybe it's one upcoming about the idea the omnis that God is, is omnipotent, omniscient and, and omnipresent. Only one of those is biblical and that is being omnipresent. That he can, that he can't interact with all of his creation at once. So he is everywhere at once. But the other two, all knowing and all and, and, and omnipotent, they're not correct in our human definitions because in human, in human definition, omnipotent means you can do anything. Well, God can't do anything. There are things he cannot do. Says in the Bible, God can't lie. God can't change. So, and that doesn't diminish God. God, what actually the correct term should be all powerful. Meaning that he can do anything that is possible. Possible, but he can't do things that are impossible. For example, he can't make you love him because that's impossible because love is a choice. And once if you make someone love you, then it's no longer a choice, meaning it's no longer love. And again, that does not diminish God. It actually makes him more real. Because no one can do the impossible. God can't stop being God, you know, when you have the skill that a lot of atheists will say, well, you know, okay, if God can do anything, can you make a rock to heavy? He can't lift it? No, because that's not possible. So again, doesn't diminish him. It makes him more realistic. And all knowing means that God knows everything that has happened and will happen. That's not true. He doesn't know everything that will happen. God has all the information that exists, meaning he doesn't have information that doesn't exist. My choices tomorrow don't exist yet God doesn't know them. How can he, how can I have free will? And God also know the choices that I haven't. I haven't made a decision yet. But God can say a broad category about me because he knows my nature. He can say that tomorrow Ed's gonna sin. He's right, I'm gonna. He doesn't know exactly what the sin is going to be because I haven't made it yet. I have not made that choice yet. So he knows tendencies. So that's how he can know that man would fall. Because man is not always a completely right and just. And if you're not always completely right and just eventually you're going to do something that is unrighteous or unjust. But it, but he, but man has a choice. His choice would be to always follow God. If you always follow God, then you won't be unrighteous or unjust. That's what Jesus did. Jesus said I do nothing of my own. I only do what the Father tells me to do. That's why Jesus was incapable of sinning. Even though he was. Even though he had a body of a male and he could a man, he could have done. Jesus had a fist and he had an arm. He could have hauled off and just punched somebody in the face. Why didn't he? Because God would never tell him to do that. And he only did what God told him. When Adam and Eve were connected to God, they would not sin because they only did what God said. But once they decided to act outside of that, that's when they were able to sin. So with the angels, when he made them, they were angels are, are higher than us, but they're still not always and completely right. Ingest. So God knew that at some point there's a possibility they could screw up. I better make a warrior class in case that fight breaks out. But God's intention was that they stay with him, stay on his side. So he didn't know. I think he knew generally they're probably going to fall, but they had the opportunity not to. And I don't know when that's going to happen.

[Unknown Speaker]

Interesting. Interesting.

[Top Lobster]

This is like. So they're asking right now, like, how could he, how could he. How could prophecy be real?

[Ed Mabry]

I'm.

[Top Lobster]

I'm thinking.

[Ed Mabry]

Go ahead.

[Top Lobster]

I'm just. I'm thinking because a lot of this prophecy about like the end times, it's talking about the actions of what these angels will do or what God will do in the end. So since they have no free will, he's probably able to predict what they're going to do.

[Unknown Speaker]

You.

[Ed Mabry]

You nailed it. God doesn't know what I'm going to do tomorrow, but he knows what he's going to do tomorrow. And if you look at prophecy, prophecy is primarily God saying, here's what I'm going to do. Here's what the fallen angels have already said they're going to do. Now as far as it comes to. And he can again. He knows our tendency. So he can say that everyone will worship the Antichrist because he knows that that's what our. That's what we do. He knows that we are going to worship now. He doesn't know every day, night. No, he will not say that. You know what top's going to worship. The is going to work for the Antichrist. Raven's not. He doesn't know that. What he knows is that all humanity will, but all humanity won't because some of them are going to be killed. He says that all men will take the mark of the beast except the ones who don't. And so in. The ones who don't will be killed. So de facto they will, because the ones who don't take the mark of the beast will be killed. So everyone else who's alive, who's alive at Armageddon will have taken the mark of the beast. So he can say that because he knows that the plan of the fallen angels is to kill anyone who does not take the mark by the end of the tribulation. So he can say what he's going to do in the future. He can say that's why when he gave the prophecy of, of when Jesus would be born, he said, you know, there'll be the, the. The. The. In Daniel, chapter nine, when he says there'll be 70 weeks of years, 490 years from the time that, you know this, this declaration goes out until Messiah, the prince will be this many days because he knew when he was going to do it. He knew it. Okay, 490 years from now is when I'm going to make sure that Jesus is born and lives his life. So he can predict what he's going to do. He can predict what the fallen angels are going to do, and he can predict the effects based on the causes. And he knows that what our causes are. He knows our nature and he can predict it. But notice that, you know, God didn't set dates. You know, everybody else on the Internet selling setting dates, that people on YouTube are all, you know, the rapture is going to be next Tuesday. But God doesn't do that because God doesn't know exactly when we're going to. All the, all. Everything's going to be in place for the end times to begin, for the tribulation to begin. But he knows that eventually it's going to happen because he knows that we're on a sliding scale and eventually we're going to get to the point of no return. Learn. But I don't even think God knows exactly when that's going to happen. He knows the trends and he knows that we know it's getting closer. But God didn't say it's going to happen on April 14, 2028.

[Unknown Speaker]

Huh? All right, well, I mean, last time you were here, you, you showed us precedent for human beings surprising God. And so I think all these things do create a pretty, very compelling argument. But we, we are closing in now on the two hour mark and we have another show in, in 10 minutes. So why don't we do this. We're going to be next time talking about Genesis 6, right? Is that what you said?

[Ed Mabry]

No, no, we're gonna wrap up this or the, the. The. How the angelic civilization fell and what the results of that were and how that leads us to, you know, we're a ways away from Genesis.

[Unknown Speaker]

Okay, all right.

[Top Lobster]

Like six chapters away, dude. We're talking about angelic civilizations. I'm looking forward to that. Seeing how that's. Yeah.

[Unknown Speaker]

All right, so then for the audience, one more time, let's bring up where we can find and support Ed's work.

[Top Lobster]

Oh, yeah, here we go. Ed, take it away, man.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, so faithbyreason.net that is where all my legacy stuff is. Like I said, get it while it's hot because I'm going to start making some changes to it. It go to my patreon and become a patreon there. You're going to get, you know, the first run of everything you. When. When new content is released, it's released there first. You get bonus episodes that won't be on YouTube because I try not to get banned. And you'll. In my weekly Q and A's. And if you level up, you can come. You are invited to be a part of the monthly Bible study where we go through the entire Bible in one year from the supernatural, spiritual point of view. Notes go out every week to keep you going, keep you engaged. And yeah, that's that. That's where we're going. And I'm working on some, some. Some written material, some books and things like that. So, yeah, stay tuned for that kind of stuff. It's gonna. It's gonna keep. Keep building the empire.

[Unknown Speaker]

All right.

[Top Lobster]

Awesome. Awesome, man.

[Unknown Speaker]

Go and Support ed on faithbyreason.net and until then, I guess we'll see you next Friday, right? We're gonna set this up. We're gonna do it again this coming Friday.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah. Yep.

[Unknown Speaker]

All right. Top. Anything else?

[Top Lobster]

That's it, man. Perfect. Again, thank you, Ed, for spending more time with us. And I hope you guys enjoyed this episode. We'll see you later. Don't forget to.

[Ed Mabry]

The greatest hypnotist on planet Earth is a oblong box in the corner of the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. You can persuade me that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see because they'll lack in the face of an explanation that portrays the bigger picture of what's happening. And they have.