Top Lobster (3:20)

I wait. Tap. I feel like you're. You're burying the lead here. Did you pick that video, Clint? Because it looks like the worst possible version of Top Lobster. Like, all the things that Top is, right. Racist and inflammatory and just all around terrible. Somehow that guy in that video was the worst possible version of Top Lobster.

Clint Russell (3:39)

It's. It's weird that you feel that way because I played it because I thought it looked like you really damn.

Top Lobster (3:47)

Hurt so much.

Raven (3:48)

I've got an admission to make.

Clint Russell (3:50)

It looks like. It looks like you. If you were HIV positive. If it makes.

Raven (3:53)

I was. When I was in high school, I had a very weird Daddy Yankee phase where I had, like, a black shirt with the.

Clint Russell (4:00)

That doesn't. That doesn't surprise me even slightly.

Raven (4:02)

Not even a little bit. I know all of his songs, yo. As a matter. I did. I did like Daddy Yankee karaoke. Not long. We're way off subject here. And you. You've kind of distracted me a little bit with the Daddy Yankee, so I'm not gonna lie.

Clint Russell (4:13)

That song. That song is fire. That rendition is fire. The use of the mirrors. Mirrors to, you know, pretend as if you have backup dancers and singers. Fire. It's a great. It's a great Internet thing.

Top Lobster (4:23)

Talented. He's a talented guy, I'll give him that. I just thought that you picked it because it looked like Top Lobster. I'm a little distraught to find you thought it was me.

Clint Russell (4:29)

No, I mean, it looks like both you had a kid and then it got HIV positive. But anyways, as to your question, as to. Am I feeling spiritual before I answer anything about Ian. Yeah, a little bit. I. I feel. I feel as if there's, like, something special about this era.

Raven (4:47)

Oh, that's great.

Top Lobster (4:48)

You might call it a golden age.

Clint Russell (4:50)

Yeah, well, I'm not going. I'm not going down any sort of, like, PR rabbit holes with the Trump administration to say that. I. I just think that, broadly speaking, there is a. An opportunity to tell truths that have been forbidden for the longest time, to investigate things that have been, you know, off the table, out outside of the Overton window. And it's. And it's happening at the highest levels. And I think that that's why, you know, people gave me for boosting Ian yesterday. Like, as if I matter compared to the post.

Raven (5:21)

You platformed. You platformed Ian Carol.

Clint Russell (5:24)

Yeah, okay, right.

Top Lobster (5:26)

Responsible for the. The rise to stardom.

Raven (5:28)

People got mad at me, too. I said, this is Ian Carroll's world, and we're all just living in it. And like, some of our. My fans from Nephilim Death Squad, they were like, you, like, what do they call me? And they said all kinds of crazy about me. They're like, you're a. You're like a fed, or you're a. You're one of these people. And I'm like, no. I'm like, it's objective reality. This is what's going on. This guy came out of. Kind of out of nowhere, but so did. So did we.

Clint Russell (5:52)

In.

Raven (5:52)

In a sense, so did I. I just decided to start doing this a year ago, and Ian Carroll's just better at it. He's better at disseminating information that. I will say that, yes, we already know. That's not a slight to Ian Carroll. We've been talking about this. We did fucking. We've had an adrenochrome presentation on. This is already off YouTube.

Top Lobster (6:12)

That's a great point, though. Can. I want to bolster that. That's. That's actually something that I've been thinking about. Yesterday, you and I talked about that on the phone. A lot of people are hating on Ian Carroll. I think there's a lot of reasons to be skeptical. I'm skeptical of everybody. But what you're seeing unfolding on Joe Rogan's podcast. We did this live on stage in front of a live audience who were wearing cloaks. I mean, we did a talk on adrenochrome, and then we did a talk on. On Pizzagate.

Clint Russell (6:38)

So I was sitting front row. I learned a lot.

Top Lobster (6:41)

Yeah, man. I don't know. I don't know if I. You know, as far as the whole Ian Carroll thing goes, these.

Raven (6:47)

Oh, David, one second.

Top Lobster (6:49)

Go ahead.

Raven (6:49)

Just to justify. To clarify for the YouTube censors, like. Yeah. That we think that these are awful things. Pizzagate. Completely not real. Adrenochrome is some weird Chinese substance, but this is not real. Being used by the elite people who.

Top Lobster (7:02)

Conspiracy theories.

Raven (7:03)

Yeah. This guy. This guy here that does these things, he's a freemason. We don't support what he says at all, but we allow. We. We respect his decision to say it, even though it's very foolish.

Top Lobster (7:12)

Yes.

Raven (7:13)

Please continue. David. Sorry.

Top Lobster (7:15)

I just wanted to say that, you know, I have been repeating myself, as I often do on every single platform that I'm on, for a good number of months now, telling people that we were going to see all of this get rehashed and brought to the surface. I've been saying that all the. You know, I'm just going to say it. I don't give a. If we're pulled off YouTube, but we don't live on YouTube really, anyway. But. But the whole pizza gate thing, the whole adrenochrome thing, the whole QANON thing, I've been saying that it's going to come to fruition. Now, does that mean that I believe that these things Are all 100% true? No, I. I think that they are high level military intelligence operations. But the fact of the matter is, I've been saying they're gonna get rehashed and we're gonna see them. So I don't know what else you would call watching Ian Carol bring this up on the largest platform on the planet other than a W for me.

Clint Russell (8:04)

Yeah, well, since you're taking your victory lap, I'm gonna on you because I listened. I listened back to episode three and you said that the Epstein disclosures would be thorough and jaw dropping and basically, you know, confirming all of the conspiracy theories. It wasn't that.

Top Lobster (8:22)

So we didn't even get that. I mean, it's.

Raven (8:24)

Yeah. So you got something from 2015, Clint. Yeah, that's.

Top Lobster (8:27)

You got to give it some pretty cool. Give it some time to marinate. All right. It's a weird stage one.

Clint Russell (8:32)

It's only. It's only been happening for 20 years.

Top Lobster (8:35)

It's been.

Raven (8:36)

No, but not in that. Not in the way that it has. You just admitted in the open of this show, Clint, that this is. We are living in a strange time where possibilities are endless.

Top Lobster (8:45)

I am erect.

Raven (8:46)

I believe what he said was.

Clint Russell (8:47)

What?

Raven (8:48)

He said something like the golden age is. What?

Top Lobster (8:50)

Golden age? Yeah. Those are words from his mouth. No, I mean, look, you got to give it some time. What did we get hit with? We got hit with stage one of the Epstein files, which really did absolutely nothing other than confirming what we already suspected, which is the flight logs that we had our hands on so many years ago were accurate. Other than that, pretty much no movement on that front. But stage one insinuates that there will be other stages. And just to temper the audience, when I say other stages, I mean other layers of psychological intelligence operation.

Raven (9:19)

What this did. What this did for me, and I know this is like real. It sounds like a cope. It discredited all the people that I don't really care for. I. I kind of like Cernovich, but I feel like the. The dude is just a little strange. Like he. He moves weird. Very weird. For me, the libs of Tick Tock girl, I don't know her personally. She moves really weird. For me, the guy, D.C. drano, he moves weird. Jack Posobic, these guys move weird. And they came out there parading their. Their folders and they look like retards. Now. And I'm like, this is actually, like, that's fine. That's good by me.

Top Lobster (9:56)

You know what's worth mentioning on that front, our. The martyr of the Pizzagate movement would have been Isaac Cappy. Isaac Happy being a Hollywood elite for. I mean, I don't know if you call him an elite. I mean, he was in Marvel films, so that's. That's pretty high. Right. But before he mysteriously died, he was, you know, naming names. And interestingly enough, I was watching a video the other day where. What's this guy's name? I just. Isaac Cappy. Not only is he talking about, you know, the whole Epstein thing, he's talking about Tom Hanks, yada, yada, yada, hey, shout out Cheney. But he's also talking about. And I'm not saying this, all right? I don't want any beef with her. I know she's fully capable of witchcraft. I don't want that. I'm just saying what Isaac Cappy said. Isaac Cappy is calling out people like Posic Laura Loomer, these. These sort of content creators in this space that are heavily involved. Who did you name top that was coming out with their folders, waving them?

Raven (10:50)

DC Drano? Lives of Tik Tok Girl? Yeah, it's like, it's. It's a weird one. And it's like, I just. I don't know where to put these people. I know Clinton knows some of them personally, so this might be like, we're not taking shots at them, but I. From where I'm sitting, I. I don't trust a lot of what they do or say because they've already lied to us in a. Yeah, well, some of them fashion.

Clint Russell (11:09)

Some of them I like and I think are. Do good work. Some of them I. I don't like, and I don't think do good work. So you guys can figure out who I feel that way about. But I think that the. The disclosures were handled so poorly, and I think that it's really a mistake to blame the influencers for how that went down. Like, that was Pam Bondi's operation. She. She decided last minute, without even running it past the White House, according to reports, to hand out these binders to these influencers. These influencers were there to meet with JD Vance to talk about messaging. And like, that was. That was the reason that they were told to come to D.C. they had no expectations that they were going to be handed these binders. They're all fucking thrilled because they get to meet the President and. And they're like jumping for joy. Then they get handed these binders that have 200 pages inside them. They think that they've got the story of the century. Then they walk outside and there's a camera crew that's there to deal with the, I don't know, King of England or some. That's. That's visiting. And they get caught up in the moment and some of them smile while they're holding the binders because they think they have a big story on their hands. And, like, I just. I think that all of the anger that was directed towards them was a misdirect from the fact that Pam Bondi lied. She did not deliver the goods. These people were just used as props, essentially, to run cover for her own failures. So I think that, Yeah, I mean, you don't have to trust any of these people. Especially some of the big, big conversations. You know, big conservative commentators. Like, they get funding from organizations that are not in alignment with my worldview whatsoever. Like, that's just obviously true. And it makes it so that they are forbidden from talking about certain things that they know to be true. Charlie Kirk is a great example of this. Every time he talks, he's just like this brilliant guy that knows so much shit. And then when it comes to Epstein or Israel, anything else, he's just like, I don't know anything at all.

Raven (12:55)

Apparently, he's. He's out there touting 8 million now. Charlie Kirk. I didn't realize that the point of them going there was. I know that Cerno got some kind of weird medals from Trump, but. So they were doing something else in the White House. They weren't there to receive these files.

Clint Russell (13:09)

Correct.

Raven (13:09)

Which is. Now my conspiracy brain is going 1,000 miles an hour. Because that's not. That's done completely on purpose. And it's. Now, let's classify them. Lives of TikTok, D.C. drano, Jack Posobic. So big. My bad. That's a Freudian slip.

Clint Russell (13:27)

He called me. What's. What do you call me? Fat Fred Durston? No, he called me Large Biscuit.

Raven (13:32)

Oh, yeah, very funny.

Clint Russell (13:35)

No, it's. It's an absolute banger. But he did it after I was on. On irl and I just said that. Like, he. I think it was right after Poland got bombed by Ukraine, and he. And he assumed that it was Russia who had done it. And he's like, we need blood. That's what he said about it. And I was like. I was like. So I go on IRL that night and I'm like, this dude sounds like a lunatic. Like you don't even know what happened yet you're already calling for blood. Then he drags me publicly to his 2 million followers and calls me Large Biscuit, which is still awesome, like a great, a great diss. However, I just don't, I just. Look, you can't, you can't pretend as if you're this America first, non interventionist type, which is kind of like what he presents himself as. And then as soon as Ukraine accidentally bombs Poland, you're like, we need blood.

Top Lobster (14:18)

We need to intervene. Yeah. Not interventionists. Until we need to intervene.

Raven (14:22)

All of these people, what they have in common is there are, they are old guard media. So not like a legacy guard media, which is Fox News, cnn. And then you'll have your reporters that kind of come from there. And then there are other people. They are like pre Elon X days, pre X days. These people, they've made their, their platforms when Jack Dorsey still owned this platform. And this is all from Twitter. These people, most, most of them are like Twitter people who they like have.

Clint Russell (14:50)

Gained prominence, but now they're the 2015-16 wave. Like they own, they own that generation, right?

Raven (14:58)

But now there's a new generation. So Elon comes in and he, he like has boosted up his platform, platform of people. One of our very good friends, Josie, the redhead libertarian, is one of those people that are kind of like on this new wave of media, but they're the old wave and it's almost like they're discredited for whatever. This is a, this is a big shot to them because you know, most people will see this, look at them parading this around, realize they got nothing and never do any dig any digging any deeper. So this is on them.

Clint Russell (15:27)

It hurt them terribly. And I think the problem is, is that if they, if they come out and they explain that and they go like, fuck Pam Bondi, she just ruined my reputation.

Raven (15:37)

Can't do it.

Clint Russell (15:38)

Then all invites to the White House end. All, all access to any high level Trump officials ends. So they're in a really bad position. So I have more sympathy for them. But at the same time, like you called me lard biscuit to 2 million people. So fuck you.

Raven (15:52)

I've got no sympathy for them. Tell the fucking truth, man. Like you wouldn't be. This is, this is the problem. Like I, that's the first thing I would have said. Fuck, Fuck. The ramifications of me saying this, hey, you set me up and you thought that I'm just going to take the fall for you, I have to stay quiet. I'm not your bitch. But this is the reason why they. They're in the position that they are today is because they have accepted shit. They stood quiet when they had to and they played the game. So now that the game is flipped on you, you can't do anything. And as a matter of fact, Sorry, Liz of TikTok, we've already replaced you. We have Retard Finder now. That's another inorganic Twitter account that popped out of nowhere that I'm sure that we'll find out is Jewish at some point. But you're done. Perfect.

Top Lobster (16:31)

That's a great point. The Retard Finder, once again, just like to toot our own horn. We're consistently doing the right thing at the right time. We had sweet, sweet Milo Yiannopoulos call himself a dangerous retard. He capitalizes the D, capitalizes the R. You know, the same way that Ian Carroll's on Rogan talking about these things is the same way that we were on stage in front of a live audience talking about these things four months ago. I'm not jealous or upset about any of these people. I'm kind of in awe about how we continually are on the cutting edge of everything, and maybe one day we'll get our flowers for it. I think they're coming. Look at that. I mean, to capitalize the R and to capitalize the D. Really can't take that any other way. That's a branding move, baby.

Raven (17:12)

Go get your Dangerous Retards merch that's out there right now. There's a lot of people wearing. It's. It's wild to see flying off the proverbial shelves.

Top Lobster (17:19)

What an endorsement, man. So, but where are we now when it comes to this whole Epstein thing? Because last I checked, there was 200 files in this phase one document, and there were thousands, allegedly, that hadn't been released. They gave them till the next morning at 8am and then that time just came and went. And now it's been, what, a week or more since then? And what, there's no movement? I mean, is this another one of these things where it's. It's a. It's a bit of a rug pull. Not going to get them again. Or do you guys think that we. Because I kind of think that we are. It's just. This is a slow boil. I. I even look at the. I'm not saying Ian Carroll is a Fed or Rogan is a Fed. I think that moment that we just saw is so Indicative of where the culture's mindset is right now. Like, we're ready for it. It's on Rogan's platform. We're ready for it. We want to know what the hell's going on. So even though we didn't get the files, I look at this Rogan episode as almost a bigger step in the right direction than if we would have gotten something meaningful in phase one.

Clint Russell (18:20)

Well, I don't. I don't agree with that, but I do agree with your, you know, spinning it as a positive. Obviously, it would have been better had they just disclosed thousands of documents that were largely unredacted. We could actually know what really went down. But this is all a step in adding to the snowball of momentum to get that to happen. There's a really important point, actually. Benjamin Netanyahu actually came out two days ago at a press conference, and he said that the deep state is, you know, we have a deep state of our own. And. And he throws Ehud Barak, former Prime Minister of Israel, under the bus. Now, he doesn't speak English in this clip, so I'm not sure it's worth playing. It is in our group chat, if you want to pull it up. But he says that this guy was meeting with Epstein regularly. And, you know, he. Did any journalists ask about this? You know, like, he's. He's. He's doing what Trump does. He's saying, the media is in on it. The deep state's in on it. I'm not the deep state. You know, I'm Benjamin. I'm just a good, regular guy. Regular dude. But the point that I'm trying to make, and this is a really important one, is that what he's doing. Is he.

Raven (19:21)

It's from Mossad commentary. Are you kidding me, dude?

Clint Russell (19:25)

Yeah, but here's the quote. He says, for some reason, Ehud Barack is repeatedly invited to the studios, and strangely, he's not asked a single question on the subject, because the media channels are not news channels. They are fake channels. They lie to the public in collaboration with the deep state. So this is, like, straight out of Trump's playbook, right? But what he's doing is he is setting the. The frame for Ehud Barack to take the fall. He is saying he is basically like, I. The way I read this is Pam Bondi has these documents ready to roll out. She's hit up by, who knows, Mossad or Netanyahu directly, I have no idea. And they go, look, we need some time to prepare our public for this information. I've got an idea. We've got a fall guy. Let me go to a press conference. Let me throw Ehud Barack under the bus. Then when you make these disclosures, make sure you only list him. Don't list any other, you know, Mossad officials involved in this thing. This is going to be a limited hangout. And that's how, that's how we get away with this. This is not a full on Mossad operation. This was, Ehud Barack is a pervert and he was doing terrible things and this guy, and I like, maybe I'm wrong, but I don't know why the Netanyahu would do that otherwise unless they are expecting disclosures to come.

Raven (20:31)

This is heavy. It's heavy. That's what this is what I'm saying. Like you called us, I mean, for, if we could rewrite, rewind to the beginning of the episode. Clinkos. You guys are stupid conspiracy theorists assholes. I hate you. And you were wrong last week. I rewatched episode three of Dangerous Retards last week and you said, yeah, but you're fucking retarded. Yeah, and you're wrong, Clint. And you're wrong. Though.

Top Lobster (20:53)

Many such cases. Clint is wrong again.

Raven (20:54)

No, it's, it's, it's a slow, it's a slow roll of like this weird. And I. Why they do this, I don't know. I mean there must be, I think.

Clint Russell (21:02)

That they do have, it's limited, the energy, what we've all just been describing, the energy is all in favor of disclosure and prosecutions and hunting every single one of these predators to the end of the earth. So you have to give us something because at this point, you are losing, you are losing all of your reputation, you're losing all of your credibility. You have to give us something. What are they going to give us? Well, let's make sure that we have this very, very, you know, fine tuned limited hangout where Ehud Barack takes the fall. Mossad was not running this operation like that. That to me, when I saw that clip a couple hours ago, I was like this, that's what's happening.

Top Lobster (21:37)

It's going to be a hard narrative to maintain because Ian Carroll is on Rogan's show and he's talking about the intelligence agencies involved in this. He's using, you know, words like Israel and Mossad.

Clint Russell (21:46)

So, but, but here's, here's the easy rejoinder now. Now anytime Ian Carroll goes viral with one of those clips, you just have, look, Benjamin Netanyahu already admitted that the former Prime Minister Ehud Barak was on that island, he was fucking kids. And now, now you're gonna, you're gonna paint all of Israel you anti Semite? Like, no, we already, like, we have justice here. We went after a prime minister of Israel. So I'm just telling you that's a, that's a perfect limited hangout if they want to run it that way.

Raven (22:11)

Yeah, it's damage control. But I, I just, I wonder to what, like, to what degree they'll be able to get away with this damage control? Because people are naming names out there, dude, and these files, I, I, I'm really, I'm curious to see what will come out. But yeah, you know what, Clinton, I, I understand where you're coming from. I just feel like we're in this age where this, that's just not gonna fly anymore, dude. Like, they're trying to set this up, but I actually think these people might go down.

Top Lobster (22:38)

I, I don't think that the culture, I know I said that before, but if I, if I elaborate, if I'm being honest, I don't believe the culture is organically moving towards this demand for disclosure. The reason that I say that is because oftentimes the things we're so opinionated about or passionate about are engineered and given to us by the Mockingbird media in one way or another. If you remember back in 2020, when the Epstein didn't kill himself meme was at the height of popularity. Look how easily it was swept away when we got another thing. And I know that it was a huge thing. We shut the world down, we locked the world down, we destroyed economies, we ruined people's lives. People died without their loved ones. I know that that was huge, but in some ways, I feel like it was meant to quash that conversation. And what happens then is it isn't organically resurrected, meaning once everything finally leveled out, we didn't go back to that. We went and stopped at a whole bunch of other uninteresting things that the Mockingbird media gave us. And only now are we finally coming back to this point. And I think that we're being culturally walked down. This, this thing has been co opted. And you know, if I'm gonna be honest, and this is a hard one to explain, but when it comes to the Trump administration, and I keep talking about the Trump vindication train, that's an expression that I've been using a lot over these past few months, I don't think it's going to stop. I think he's going to get win after win after win until it galvanizes an ungodly amount of people to the Trump administration. And I think that this is part of it. And so that is the lens that I've been looking at things through, and that's what's allowed me to call these things as we move into it. So to your point, Clint, I know that I said we're going to get harrowing disclosure on the QAnon and Pizzagate front. We're not there yet. I still maintain that. And we also said, I don't think these go ahead.

Raven (24:18)

And we also said, what a melee in the skies. We're waiting. That's if that's coming too.

Top Lobster (24:23)

Yeah, that'll be the promise.

Clint Russell (24:26)

My, my opinion, my opinion is that we've, we've likely already seen the high water mark of, of Trump's achievements and popularity, unfortunately. Like, he's, he's accomplished so much in the first five weeks and all of the other things that he promised are, many of them require congressional action. Not going to happen. Many of them require actual control of the deep state. Probably not going to happen. So he's, he's, now, he's done all of the easy pickings and now it's going to be like a slog. Like, you have to actually, you have to actually rely on Cash Patel and Bongino and Tulsi Gabbard to do the things that you campaigned on. And, and even if they're on your team, which I hope they are, but I don't know for a fact that they are. Do they have the, the know how to actually get into these institutions Like I think Cash does because he's been involved in that world. I don't think Tulsi Gabbard knows how to get into, like, she just got put as the head of dni. Like she was a military gal, you know, like, like, all right, does, does that actually equip you to understand the inner workings of this monster monstrosity? Like, I would argue probably not. And same with Bobby Kennedy. Like, yeah, he, he sued these people. You know, he knows, he knows some of the figures that were, you know, most corrupt. But in terms of like how that, how the corruption took hold and how it functions on a day to day, like, it's going to take them time to figure that out. So I think with Trump having 50 plus percent approval rating, you know, nearing 60%, I, I'd be surprised if it goes higher than that. And, and this is a really key point. I think that the economy is in a lot of trouble and I think that the Economy's been in a lot of trouble for years, but it's just been papered over with a lot of printing and a lot of, and a lot of media hype. And I just think that if, like basically the Democrats only hope is that the economy is in the midterms. It's, it's their only hope in 28 is also the same. So I just think that like, that's, that's probably the play here is like you have now you have this populist right wing leader that you didn't want to have in power. We have to tank the economy. We have to send the message to the American people that, look, all of his, you know, talk is just that in terms of actual policies and how they impact you on your day to day. Look what happened to the economy. Half you lost your jobs. The unemployment rates north of 10%. And, and like have a repeat of 08. Like, I, that's my, that's my greatest fear as to how they play this thing.

Raven (26:53)

I don't think, I don't think they have the wherewithal to even pull that off. These people are, they are. And, and here's why I think we're playing for keeps here. Why we're gonna see not just one person, but we're gonna see. I think, I think there'll be like a major upheaval, a shift. And that's crazy to say. I would never say this unless it was 2025 and today, but I'll show you this clip here and you tell me what you think about it, Clint, because it could just be another Trump, Trumpism, Trumpian thing, or this could be a little bit more significant.

Clint Russell (27:24)

I'll let you do it, but let me just say in 2020, they shut down the fucking world to in part to tank Trump. So to think that they're just retarded and that they're not capable of doing really dramatic shit to fuck up the world. I disagree. All right, good.

Raven (27:37)

It just looks like their hands are off the levers is what I mean, because he's. Well, here you go.

Clint Russell (27:42)

But if we truly care about protecting.

Top Lobster (27:44)

America, children, no step is more crucial.

Clint Russell (27:48)

Than securing America's borders. Over the past four years, 21 million people poured into the United States.

Raven (27:55)

Many of them were murderers, human traffickers.

Top Lobster (27:59)

Gang members and other criminals from the street.

Raven (28:02)

So just really quick. Many of them were murders. Human traffickers, gang.

Top Lobster (28:07)

Yep.

Raven (28:08)

Okay, that's fucking wild. He points to say at the Democratic aisle.

Top Lobster (28:14)

I was literally going to bring that up. This is the most perfect segue. Please continue.

Raven (28:19)

Yeah, he points directly at the Democratic aisle. I'm like, this is not, this is not a game anymore. This is like he's playing that you're playing for keeps. And if he loses, he dies. They. Yes, they possibly already tried to kill him maybe multiple times that we don't even know about. I'm pretty.

Top Lobster (28:32)

That's what I'm saying, man.

Raven (28:34)

So, so something's going on, dude.

Top Lobster (28:35)

I was going to bring this up just basically in that context, right, where it's like, in the meantime, before we get these big revelations, they are engineering the culture and they're engineering the public sentiment and moments like that. I was watching that live. He did that quite a bit where he would kind of, you know, cut off that one side of the room full of Democrats and he would talk to the Republican Party exclusively. And very few times when he did turn and talk to them, it was an accusatory tones. But within those few times were like, seemingly accusations calling them, yeah, human traffickers. He's pointing at him, he's gesturing at them. I don't really know any other way to interpret that. And so I think that it wasn't an accident. No, definitely not an accident. And so what, what then do you think he's, he's saying, clint, I'm not like, putting you on the spot, but I just want to get into, I.

Clint Russell (29:18)

Think, well, you guys can read into it a whole bunch of, you know, QAnon Pizzagate stuff. I read into it the Doge discoveries about the NGO fundings that were assisting with the migrant crisis. But whatever he means, it doesn't matter. Like what he's calling them is human traffickers, let's say. That's an absolutely brutal accusation. I think it's a valid one. And I think that they, in fact were and are funding to the tune of billions and billions of dollars annually, a human trafficking network. I mean, that's what it was.

Top Lobster (29:50)

So can we, can we speculate a little bit? Because I, you know, you guys are much more understanding of politics and law than I am. What the hell do you do with those people if we really do get to the point where they are exposed, as, let's say we get someplace in the middle, right, where it's like there's trafficking people and then there's Pizzagate. Right. On the, on the real severe end of the spectrum, let's say we land someplace in the middle and there is children getting trafficked. A lot of the Pizzagate conspiracy theory was just that it was hyperbolic. It was blown out of proportion. The QAnon thing, maybe there was something to it, but the community takes it and spirals and runs with it and creates all kinds of unfound, baseless conspiracy theories. So we land someplace in the middle. What then do you do to those people? And I know we talked about this a little bit last time, right? The libertarian sentiment of should the government be able to, I don't know, publicly execute human traffickers? What happens?

Clint Russell (30:46)

Yeah, well, I mean, what should happen is that, I mean, they. They assisted, they funded intentionally the invasion of the United States of America. Like, that's treason. Like, I. I think that that's. That's lending aid to your enemies in conquering your own country is, like, that is definitional treason. So I just don't see how that's not treason. But here's the issue. Like, if you're not even gonna, like, find, hunt down, prosecute, and do unspeakable things to people that were actually involved in the Epstein operation, what. What faith do I have that you're going to charge Democratic politicians and some GOP politicians with treason for what they participated in? Like, the answer is, nothing's going to happen. And I know that's a very. That's a very common rejoinder amongst the nothing ever happens people, but, like, I'm not one of those people. I don't think that nothing ever happens. I just think when it comes to justice for the highest levels of power, yeah, nothing kind of ever happens.

Top Lobster (31:42)

Disheartening, but likely. I mean.

Clint Russell (31:45)

I mean, it's. It's just the pragmatic assessment based off of history. Like, I would love to be proven wrong. I would love for Pam Bondi to come out 60 days from now and go, look, I gave you a trickle because simultaneously behind the scenes, I was working on prosecutions of very high level, high powerful, you know, billionaire people and politicians, and I had to. I had to keep this hush hush because I just got in the office 10 days ago. What do you expect from me? Like, you want to make me happy? Surprise me with that. 60 days from now. Until that happens, though, I'm not buying anything. You go on, you go on to Sean Hannity or whatever, and you talk about how you're about to disclose everything to the world and these people are sick and blah, blah, blah, and you'll have this major disclosure next week, and then it's fucking nothing. Well, you've lost my trust. You've lost my hope at this point, but I would love to have that hope, you know, re. Bolstered.

Raven (32:36)

So Then what's it for? What is a. Like, is she. So she just made a huge mistake? Is that what we're saying now?

Clint Russell (32:44)

I think, I think that she's out of her depth. I really do. Like, I think. Well, there's two. There's two possibilities. Either one, she is, you know, a bought and paid for operative or. Or being blackmailed herself. Like, that's a distinct possibility. People need to remember she was the AG of Florida during the height of Epstein. Like, it's not as if this, this dude wasn't on her radar. She knows. So the fact that she. That it was supposed to be Matt Gates, who has talked much more openly about who was behind Epstein, who was going to be the ag, he gets this terrible hit. Pieces ran against him, he ends up withdrawing his name. And then Pam body gets slid in there. She's promising, along with Cash Patel, these, these day one disclosures, and then nothing comes from it. So I think that there's a possibility that she's, you know, she's just put in there to run cover or she is a DEI female hire that's not capable of doing her fucking job. You. You can pick. I don't know.

Top Lobster (33:42)

Well, I mean, you talked about before. You don't think that Trump's approval rating is going to go much further than it is now? I wonder.

Clint Russell (33:50)

I'd be surprised. I hope it does. I hope he does great.

Top Lobster (33:52)

But I. I think I expected to, you know, if. If my theory is maintained. But this whole Zielinski thing, not to, you know, do too much of an aggressive segue here, but when he has Zielinski in the White House and he's talking about, we gave you funding, we gave you weapons, we gave you military personnel to operate the weapons because you couldn't do it yourself, this war isn't ending. It's a. It's a never ending money pit. And it's time to look for, you know, terms for a ceasefire. I think that was one of those things Top and I talk about on Nephilim Death Squad, how a lot of these problems that we're experiencing right now, they are real problems, but it almost feels like in some way they required a ton of work to create in the first place. And they are actually pretty easily rectified. And what I mean by that is you have a strong man. Sit down and go, no, we're done. You're no longer going to be in a parasitic relationship. We're not going to fight a proxy war with Russia through you guys. We're looking for a Ceasefire. You're, you know, killing essentially. It's almost like an ethnic cleansing of, of the Ukraine. They're, they're dragging, you know, any military, not even military age men. I saw a video the other day where there are men trying to escape the Ukraine and they're being pulled out of a van like clowns in a clown car and stacked on top of one another, I guess, to, to get dragged into the service. And all these horrifying things are happening. And Zelensky is putting up a fight in the middle of the, the, the conversation with Trump and J.D. vance. And what's really interesting is the public sentiment after that. Like, I look at that and I go, everything he said there was justified. We, you know, this is a huge problem. We should be looking for a cease fire. We've given them every edge and advantage that we could have. And there's just something about Trump.

Clint Russell (35:47)

He's talking about what Trump said, I.

Top Lobster (35:48)

Think, yeah, what Trump said to Zelensky.

Clint Russell (35:51)

And so this all boils down to what media you consume. Like, if you, if you only saw like the, it depends on where you start that. Like, that's why I did an entire episode on Liberty Lockdown about this where I, I actually show you the lead up and I show you the open so that you understand that like this. And keeping in mind this was a nearly hour long sit down in front of the cameras. So this was not short, but the, the height of it is only eight to 10 minutes of like actual fireworks. Those eight to 10 minutes came at the very end. So you have a 40 minute lead up of Trump and Vance being totally praising of Zelensky and of Ukraine and being very minimally critical at all, and Zelensky just being obstinate throughout and then ultimately catalyzing this argument that happens at the very end. So this is just a media operation. Like if you watch CNN or msnbc, you think that Trump and Vance set him up and tried to fucking tank this deal and blah, blah, blah. And if you watch my show or if you watch any other, you know, impartial show, you're like, oh yeah, this guy's an, and an obvious drug addict. And he tanked his own opportunities because like, he realizes that he probably dies if this war ends and he certainly loses power. It's like, that's, that's why we have these, you know, as Scott Adams says, these two movie screens that are playing simultaneously. Is that like for, for people? Depending on what your media consumption is, you have two different screens to look at.

Top Lobster (37:16)

Did you see that video of that guy, I don't know who the hell he was, is a dude actually sobbing. We're talking like a, a 40 to 50, you know, looks like a regular guy. He's got a backwards cap on, it's filthy for whatever reason, looks like it's covered in stains and grime. But he is sobbing. I mean, he's really sobbing because of the way that Zelinsky was spoken to.

Clint Russell (37:37)

Because a journalist asked him why he doesn't wear a suit.

Top Lobster (37:39)

That's what crazy, man. It really is. The propaganda machine is so well oiled. It works so well. It really does funnel us into different realities where once upon a time it was like, you could say it funneled you into different narratives. Now I think it funnels you into totally different realities because the sentiment that I'm seeing, if I'm on X, it's one thing, it's basically like, hey, Zelinsky got sort of not, not tough love, maybe isn't the best way to put it. But he, he was the recipient of the truth in that moment, you know, towards Those, those last eight to 10 minutes of that conversation. But if you go on a different social media platform, especially anything meta, so, so Facebook in particular, you will see completely the opposite. People freaking out about, you know, how we're treating world leaders now that Trump is in power again. And I, I go, man, was there another alternative? Did anybody see like, a win on the horizon for Ukraine? Did anyone see, like a stop to this war? Am I unaware of, of a narrative where we were closing in? It was almost done and, and there was almost going to be peace there and, and the Ukrainian people were going to be sovereign from Russia, or was that just an endless money pit like it looked like to me?

Clint Russell (38:49)

Yeah, well, I, I just want to spin this a little bit positively, though, because you were saying, you know, the propaganda machine is so, well, well oiled and that it basically creates these two separate realities.

Top Lobster (39:00)

Yeah.

Clint Russell (39:00)

The truth is, is that 20 years ago, pre Internet or, you know, 30 years ago, pre Internet, there was no alternate reality to, to slip into. Like, there was no truth reality to slip into. It was just everyone was par. Like 95% of people were all parroting the same shit because all of our media consumption came from the same avenues. So like Iraq War one, for instance, nobody opposed it basically, you know, like, because we were all being told the same thing, oh, he invaded Kuwait and stealing their oil and blah, blah. It's like, well, that's a much more complicated story in hindsight, but I think that this is all healthy. You know, the fact that we. We now have half of people that are in a deep trance is progress, because it used to be 90% of people that were in a deep trance. So that's the good news.

Top Lobster (39:45)

I would agree with that. On. On nds, I say this a lot, which is like, we are subjected to probably the most advanced and. And overwhelming propaganda machine that has ever existed in the history of the human experience. And somehow, despite millions of dollars and, and employing psychologists to understand how the human mind works and how to hijack it, you know, all of these brainwashing techniques. MK Ultra, the intelligence agencies have been trying to figure out how to do this for the longest time. Our show opens up with David Icke talking about how the greatest hypnotist in the world is the black box in the corner of your living room. And somehow, despite that, there's still retards like us who are not falling for the official narrative, not getting hypnotized by this thing and trying to tell people that maybe what they're the recipient of is not the truth. And then that's kind of amazing.

Raven (40:44)

What's. What's also happening is people are waking up to things like this. And this is again, back to, I guess, Ian Carroll, because he's doing some real important stuff. But in this clip with Rogan, he's. He's talking about Jewish influence in the media and Jeffrey Epstein and the island, and it's like, yeah, the dancing Israelis. And I, I just pull this one up because this, this tweet here says, if I was Jewish, I would honestly consider leaving the country. The JQ is now mainstream and it'll only get worse. I don't know if this guy that's tweeting this is Jewish or being, like, hyperbolic, but I, I will say that his assessment right now is not unfounded. I think he's 100 right. This is the way things are moving is not good. And it's. It's a direction that we're supposed to be moving into. Like, we are. This is. It's not organic. It's actually. We're getting paid to do this. We're getting. People are getting paid to move in this direction. And that's worrisome.

Clint Russell (41:42)

Well, I mean, you're always getting paid if you're in the commentary space and you're successful. So I don't think it's. I don't think it's about getting paid to talk about this. In fact, talking about that topic for decades and decades has been a career Ender. So this is a different paradigm entirely. And I totally disagree with the assessment that, that this is becoming mainstream and therefore Jewish people need to leave the country. Like, there's almost no violence towards Jewish people in America. Like, it's very minimal. There's very little hate crime violence, even though I don't think there should be a categorization for hate crimes. But setting that aside, there's very little hate crime in America, broadly speaking, period. Like, we are very tolerant people. So I think that the, the real lesson that, that whoever this McCormick guy is ought to be taking away from this is that when there is injustices perpetrated by a group of people, you can, you can either choose to lie about it and obfuscate and hide it, or you can acknowledge what transpired, prosecute those involved, and then clarify that this is not a group of people that is doing this. Like, that's the answer here. The answer here is we need to tell the truth. We need to say, yeah, the FBI was absolutely involved with Epstein, so was Mossad, probably MI6 too. Everybody responsible is going to be held to account. And then we can all go back to being hunky dory and not worrying about like, oh, is this a Jewish power thing? Or all this garbage. Like, that's the problem. The problem is not that we're talking about this. The problem is that you guys have lied for hours. Eons.

Raven (43:12)

Right.

Clint Russell (43:12)

I, I just totally disagree that like, Jewish people are actually under threat in this country. I think that's.

Raven (43:18)

I think that they are because of, well, rhetoric that I've been saying. No, I think that they are because.

Top Lobster (43:24)

I think they are because I've had. Well, if you've been relationship with that.

Clint Russell (43:27)

If you've been reading my Twitter feed for the past two years, they are under serious threat. I don't know if you're aware.

Raven (43:32)

Yeah, I know. Well, the thing is no one, no one is making them. We're not making any differentiations. Like, and I, and I get it, because I do. No, you do, you do. But people listen. People think in broad strokes. So that's how I've been thinking for a long time. And we had to point out that this is happening. So you're saying this word Jewish, but that quickly gets out of control and out of your hands. And now it's on Rogan and they're talking about Jewish and people are not going, the general public is not going to look at this and just go, you know, oh, so you mean a couple of people at the top that they're you know, they have these type of ties to this type of business. Like, no, it means everybody. And we've seen it already on a small scale get out of control, where people just take it. It means everybody. And here we are. And right. This.

Top Lobster (44:16)

Individuals are rational. Right. Groups are irrational. They're the ones that behave in a disproportionate way. And so once it reaches the group, like, that's like, you know, I kind of use this analogy a lot where when you first wake up as a conspiracy theorist, very gay terminology to use, but you end up falling for a bunch of. So you. You wake up and you find out that the official narrative is not the case, and that causes a sense of panic within you. It certainly did within me. And that's something that I've observed in a lot of people. And what ends up happening is you glom onto the first thing that resembles the truth, and you become very passionate about it. And if you're lucky, you do that alone and nobody listens to your crazy. So when I was younger and I was espousing all this conspiracy shit, luckily nobody reciprocated, or else I probably would have spiraled. And instead it fell on deaf ears. And I was able to analyze the thing that I was bitching about, and I would find that it actually isn't as concrete as I thought, and it would fall away and I would move on. And you kind of repeat that process a few times. I think that is a natural process for when you find out that your worldview is not at all what you think it is. But we're having that happen in mass right now. And in part due to Covid. A lot of people woke up 2020, and they're all going through that same thing. They're falling for a bunch of narratives. But the great thing about that is if that truly is human nature, well, then you can hijack that and you can kind of steer that narrative. And so I've been looking at the JQ thing as much as I've been busting the balls of the Jews for a while. And. And also noticing that it feels like it's Astroturf and it feels like it's being steered. And this is actually what enabled me to make this call on. On January 20, I said that it was time for Kanye west to reemerge. And the reason that I thought that is because in my eyes, the. The JQ movement had been effectively co Opt and it was now being steered artificially, whether it's by some nefarious intelligence agency or Whatever, doesn't matter. But what you would need at this point in order to kind of tip the scales is you need like a big inflammatory character. And so what do we get? Only a couple of weeks later, like two weeks later, we get the reemergence of Kanye west, just like I said. And what does he do? He takes out money, ad space on the super bowl and then runs an ad for his merch. And then when you go to his merch, it's literally just a T shirt with a swastika on it. Right now you have Ian Carroll, he's doing his thing on Rogan. You can call that organic. I would still say that that was a symptom of a culture that's being steered. And you even have Candace Owens on Theo Vaughn's show, whose last name, by the way, Von Kowski means the Jew Slayer. And they're on Theo Vaughn's show talking about the Jews. I don't know what the is going on, but it all feels like it's hit like critical mass and somebody has their foot on the gas and it is to do what Top's talking about. Remove that nuance. Right. We're no longer. Let me camera here. Good God. We're no longer worried about. Is it Kazarians, is it Edomites, is it the synagogue of Satan? Is there some different. We're done with that now. It's just the Jews. And in fact, if you don't say the Jews, then you're a fed, you're a disinformation agent. You're running defense for the Jews.

Clint Russell (47:26)

This is, this is your, this is your ecosystem. Like I remember I read the comments on one of our dangerous retard episodes and someone, someone said exactly what you're saying, but it was one comment like, like this is not. This is not something.

Top Lobster (47:41)

This goes back to what percentage of people, Clint, we had this conversation with the lemmings. What percentage of people are awake? So if one person is in the comments saying that. I'm not saying that one psychopath is right. I'm a psychopath and I'm one person. And I'm not right. I'm wrong a lot more than I'm right. But I'm saying there is still. We've already established that the amount of people that are critical thinkers, that are awake, that are on the outside of the lemmings mass account for about 15 of the population. And that might be generous.

Clint Russell (48:06)

Yeah, but I don't think, I don't think that just because you're red pilled on the jq, that you're one of the free thinkers. Like, there are. There are people in every ideology and every thought process that are absolute sheep that are just following. Following whatever narrative they got sold on. And now they're just locked into it. And everything they see confirms that it's just confirmation bias over and over and over and over again.

Raven (48:29)

It is like.

Top Lobster (48:30)

That is confirmation bias when you first.

Raven (48:32)

Wait one second, David.

Clint Russell (48:33)

It's.

Raven (48:33)

But it's confirmation bias. But in the same sense. Now, this is. I've been saying this for a while because it. It's. We're pointing in that direction. To me, it looks like the dam is breaking. This is why I named the title He Opens. Carol Opens the Floodgates on the Joe Rogan Experience. I remember when Rogan had on the guy Michael. He was like the COVID not the whistleblower, but he was the one that said, it's gonna be really bad. I remember drive.

Clint Russell (48:58)

Yeah.

Raven (48:58)

I was driving my wife to get a sonogram because my. She was pregnant with my son at the time. And I remember vividly that's when Covid happened. That's when people freaked out. It was that Rogan episode. It was this doctor telling people, like, you're all gonna die. But it happened with Rogan.

Clint Russell (49:14)

He disseminated Dr. Peter Hotez.

Raven (49:16)

No, no, no. It was a different Michael Schellenberg. Not Schellenberger. Michael something. He was a. He's some sort of an analyst, and he's like a scientist as well.

Clint Russell (49:25)

But I. I listened to that episode. I remember. It scared the. Out of me.

Raven (49:29)

So, yeah, I wasn't Peter Hotez, though.

Top Lobster (49:32)

I was like, it is. It's an I. I expected. When I was younger, I saw this episode of Jesse Ventura's Conspiracy Theory. He had a lady who. Who fled the country, worked in gain of function research, I think, and ended up coming on his show in 2009 to tell him that they were engineering a virus and it was going to be a global pandemic, and they were going to roll out mandatory vaccinations because of it. And it was actually the inoculations that you had to be worried about. And she said this back in 2009. So I always thought this thing was on Horizon because all it takes is one mention of a thing and I'm forever gonna believe it. I was looking for this.

Raven (50:04)

Michael Osterholm is the guy. That's right. Yeah. When was this? This is a while ago, but I think. Sorry to interrupt.

Clint Russell (50:11)

I think it was one month into lockdowns. Because I remember. I remember hearing it, and it was just like I had gone from basically not taking this seriously to taking it seriously briefly because of lockdowns. And then I was like, I'm gonna go buy, you know, guns and golds. And. And then February. And then that Rogan episode, February 18th is.

Raven (50:30)

Oh, no, this is. This was his second episode on. But it was around February because my son was born the next month, and that's when the world completely shut down. But this. What I'm. The point I'm making is that this happened almost with Rogan. CNN was really. They were beating the drum for this stuff, and so was MSNBC and even Fox News scaremongering a little bit, but we turned that corner, that heavy corner. When this episode came out, I was freaked out. I was taking precautions. And then all of a sudden, maybe two, three weeks later, the entire world, or a month later, the world shuts down. Because. But it's like he started this, and he does a thing with ivermectin, he does a thing with dmt, the float tanks with ufc. This dude moves culture like nobody. Like nobody else. And now he's had. Now he has on Ian Carroll. And I. I think Ian is just telling the truth. He's telling the truth exactly how he sees it. He's. He's. He'd say a lot of the things that I would say, and he says them a lot better and more eloquently. But that's being broadcast to millions of people. It's going to. It's not just one retard in our chat that's saying this thing. This is being exponentially. Exponentially disseminated to. I don't even know how many people.

Clint Russell (51:37)

This. This is the key, though. Well, there's two. Two points I want to make. One, Rogan handles all of his own booking. I don't think that he's putting people on there to move culture. I think he moves culture because his audience is enormous, and he's. He's a compelling order, and he just does it. You can argue that he brought on Ulster Home to scare the world. I don't think that's the case. I think that he was. He was advised by somebody. Maybe somebody in his inner circle misled him. Like, I could see that happening, but I. I am convinced entirely that he brought on Ian Carol of his own volition, that he started following him on X. He really liked his breakdowns of his videos, saw how. How rapidly he was growing, and he thought it was a good guess to have. I Don't think there's anything nefarious there. I had a second point, and I forgot it, so go ahead.

Raven (52:16)

Well, it's. It's not about being nefarious, but there. It's about there being a time, and the time feels like now. Everything points to now. So we had Cheney in the chat a couple of minutes ago, maybe 30 minutes ago. She said that, you know, Eddie Bravo was on Rogan in 2017 saying the same stuff.

Clint Russell (52:32)

Yeah.

Raven (52:33)

And he was shut down.

Clint Russell (52:34)

This is the point I wanted to make.

Raven (52:35)

That's right.

Clint Russell (52:35)

This is the point I wanted to make. It's. This is by. By no stretch of the imagination is this the first person to talk about any Mossad or Epstein or Jewish. Like, this is not the first guest on Rogan to do that. I think that the reason that Ian Carroll is so feared is that he delivers in a way that he makes it explicit, as I do repeatedly, that this is not about animosity towards Jewish people. He's very much in, like, the hippie, dippy, I love everybody mode as he's telling these stories. That is way more effective and absolutely damaging to the power structure that enables these operations to persist. So, like, he's had Tripoli on, I think, less than a month ago. Good. Good friend of ours. And, like, Tripoli talks about this shit on the regular. He goes way hard in the paint. So this is not. Like. This is not some big novel thing. The novel nature of it is that Ian Carroll is incredibly good at conveying this in a way that this is not about hate. This is about justice and truth. And, like, that is. I think that's the main reason that he's feared.

Raven (53:37)

Well, Michael Osterholm was incredibly good at conveying how dangerous Covid was. He wasn't suggesting any remedies to it. He was just saying, this thing's gonna kill everybody. I'm not suggesting lockdowns, but, boom, we got lockdowns. So I'm just saying, like, this is out there now. It's it. That's it. The gates are open. We're talking about Pizzagate. We're talking about Epstein. And then that's also points back accurately to.

Clint Russell (53:58)

Is that not a good thing, though?

Raven (54:00)

It's a great thing. I'm just. I'm worried about how quickly it'll. It'll move because we're gonna. You know, all the stuff that. That these people have been talking about, you know, the Daily Wire people that there's. They're like, oh, my gosh, we're not safe in America. I was like, Dude, I think you're. I think that when you said that before, you were being retarded, now that you're saying it, I'm like, yeah, I don't think you're gonna be safe. And. And I. It's. I'm not cheering it on.

Top Lobster (54:25)

It's.

Raven (54:25)

It's awful.

Top Lobster (54:26)

The problem lies. The problem is you scared the world, and we go lock it down, right?

Raven (54:32)

You.

Top Lobster (54:32)

You create enough turmoil, you. You knock down some towers and you convince us to go to war. If this message gets out in a big way, it's not the individual. We're capable of critical thinking and reason and nuance. It's. Once it reaches the masses, what then? Will somebody else wear the mask? Or they'll use it to justify some.

Raven (54:53)

Put this in your arm. Don't. Don't hug grandma.

Clint Russell (54:56)

Pull up my screen.

Top Lobster (54:57)

She's a Jew.

Clint Russell (54:59)

So Jeremy Boring, progenitor of the Daily Wire, says yesterday was a terrible day for American Jews. The embrace by so many prominent voices of demented, conspiratorial, anti Jewish voices is one of the saddest, most alarming events in my lifetime. This way lies madness, and worse than madness. Do not let the times cost you your soul, audience. Capture and unchecked tribalism are tools of the devil. Paranoia and revisionism are too, even if they really are out to get you. Heck, even a righteous cause can lead us to evil if we don't guard our hearts in the quest. The wicked often. This is so fucking gay, by the way. All right. The wicked often prosper, and the temptation to prosper often tempts us to join them. But only God offers the richness of salvation. And he already became, for us, the only Jewish scapegoat for our sin and fear. Leave the rest of them alone.

Raven (55:41)

Here's the problem with. With what he did there. It's. You have. He has. I mean, him and the Daily Wire have been. They've been implementing this stuff. You have been part of this system. So when you're saying it for me, it comes off as disingenuous. I'm saying this, it is, but I think he's right.

Top Lobster (56:00)

Well, you know why it's disingenuous? Because if this really is a. A plan to steer the culture in this direction, step one of the plan was make sure nobody can talk about it. Create a pressure cooker.

Raven (56:11)

They did that.

Top Lobster (56:13)

Yes. They suppressed the speech to the degree that it became disproportionate. Right. If you're allowed to discuss something in a regular.

Raven (56:19)

Inflamed. They inflamed tensions. I mean, they've mocked Jesus, they have mocked the American people. They have supported Israel. They've done everything that they can. They've taken Onlyfans money. This is. These people have done all of this stuff. And yes, Ben Shapiro has participated, and so is Jeremy Boring, because by by proxy, being part of this company. So when he's saying this, it's like the boy who cried wolf, but the regular Jewish person that's out there that will get mixed up with a Ben Shapiro type, it's not their fault. Now these people are out there crying, woof. But they've been doing this. They've been building towards this for years now. For years. Hands up. Don't shoot. What if Jesus Christ said that? Like, are you kidding me?

Clint Russell (56:59)

I see. I disagree with both of your assessments on this. You're. You're making it sound as if this is like this is contrived in some fashion. Not, not his message, which is absolutely contrived, but like this entire movement and momentum is contrived. I totally disagree. I think that this is a natural response to any unequal treatment under the law, that you are passing hate speech laws and preventing boycotts and protests of one nation and one religion and one group of people, while everybody else is allowed to be protested and boycotted and everything else. And the natural response to a people that value equal treatment under the law is to go, what the fuck is happening? And that is just a natural reaction. So when you try and suppress people that are talking about Israel, it only makes the Streisand effect stronger. This is, this is the inevitable conclusion of decades of censorship and suppression they have, they created. I'm not saying, like Jeremy Boring, but whoever was responsible for government policy to suppress these types of narratives, this is on them. Like, this is, this is totally organic in that regard. This would, this would have happened inevitably. And I think that this is, this is the mistake that the Jewish community, the Jewish power structure made after the Holocaust was that we, we must suppress this narrative forevermore, lest we end up back in Holocaust scenario. And it's like, that's just not. That's not, that's actually how you create a holocaust. You. You cannot. You cannot, I would argue that legal system that protects you above all others.

Raven (58:32)

That's terrible. You're 100 right. This is how you create a holocaust.

Top Lobster (58:36)

Right.

Raven (58:37)

What did they get from the hallowed costs from the burnt offering? They got the state of Israel.

Top Lobster (58:42)

It's like they, they passed those anti Semitic speech laws in, in Bolshevik, like, as soon as they took over Moscow. The Bolsheviks did that. That was before anything even happened. They passed those, those laws about anti Semitic speech. And so we're doing.

Clint Russell (58:55)

That's happening right now.

Top Lobster (58:57)

Right, but that's what I'm saying is that wasn't after the Holocaust. They passed those anti Semitic speech laws after the Bolsheviks took over Moscow, before the Holocaust happened. So. And then it led to that. So anybody that is watching history can look back at that moment and go, oh yeah, if you suppress speech about a people that are subverting a country, well then it's going to cause a persecution of those people. Right. When, when everybody gets fed up. And so, I mean, I would argue that it doesn't. Saying that it would happen organically isn't much of an argument because the same outcome would have happened if it was a plan. If it was a plan to quash the speech surrounding it, the exact same outcome would have happened. So you can't really use the organic development of it as an argument because even if it wasn't organic, the exact same outcome would have taken place.

Clint Russell (59:46)

Well, no, I don't agree with that because like, the whole premise is we're trying to protect ourselves because we've been persecuted, therefore we're going to create special laws that only protect us, therefore we end up being persecuted. Like this is a, a cycle that repeats. So I'm not, I'm not. I'm just saying that I don't think it's contrived. I think that it's, it's just the natural consequence of a, a persecuted people who also end up in positions of high authority and power in the government and private industry. And then they create this framework that's trying to defend themselves. But there it, it ultimately unwinds itself naturally. Like, it's just.

Top Lobster (60:22)

So the only difference, the only difference between what we are suggesting and what you're suggesting is whether or not the Jews were too stupid to know that the very thing that they were doing was going to end in their persecution or if they were doing it purposefully.

Clint Russell (60:36)

Because, I mean, think about what you're arguing. You're arguing that, that they want to be persecuted.

Top Lobster (60:41)

Like, no, no, no. Well, that's.

Raven (60:43)

They don't care.

Top Lobster (60:44)

Now what you'd have to say is that all Jews are the same Jews, but we're talking exactly Edomites and Kazarians and Ashkenazi and, you know, the synagogue of Satan.

Clint Russell (60:52)

Religious. What are you arguing?

Top Lobster (60:53)

Just, just that within.

Raven (60:55)

Wait, I'm.

Top Lobster (60:55)

There is a subsect that is trying.

Raven (60:56)

To steer this yes, there are exactly the people who. Ian Carroll, Jewish State. Yeah, Who Ian Carroll is talking about, who I am talking about. I'm not talking about Dave Smith, Robbie Fire Bernstein. Although, like, when, when I say this stuff, they get offended. They probably want nothing to do with me. I don't give a fuck anymore. I'm saying there are a certain group of people. I don't know the exact words to call them without, like, if I'm trying to tell everybody here, there's like, I don't know, there's 3,000 people watching. I'm trying to explain to them. I have to use common language. I can cannot be specific in speaking about these things because then nobody listens. But what's happening here is just this broad stroke again. And yeah, the people at the top don't care. They're going to get away with it. The ones who, the same ones who inherited Israel after getting away with the Holocaust. But the people who, however many were persecuted did get persecuted. They don't care. They've set them up to do the same thing again.

Clint Russell (61:48)

Well, and this is why I've been arguing against these hate speech laws and against these, you know, whatever the divestment laws and all this other that, like, they've, they've tried to do to, you know, scare quotes, protect Israel and protect Jewish people. I've argued from the beginning when I first realized that these things were happening, that this is to the detriment of Jewish people. Like, even from your own argumentation, like, what you're doing is to your own detriment. So stop now. Like, this is out of love. This is my advice. Out of love, not out of hate. But it's just like, it doesn't. It lands on deaf ears because I don't know.

Top Lobster (62:21)

Let me ask you this. You're talking about to the detriment of a people. What if within those people there is a very small concerted group that is trying to steer a narrative in a certain direction and using victimhood as a leverage? How effective is persecution and victimhood after the smoke clears and the dust settles at getting what you want? And those people don't have to care about the rest of the Jewish community at all. They don't have to be good people.

Clint Russell (62:49)

It's. It's very effective. But I think it's only been become very effective over the past, you know, primarily during the woke movement. Like, that was when. That was when meritocracy was, was shelved and the hierarchy of oppression, you know, took its place. And I think, you know, a Lot of people argue about whether, you know, who was behind creating the DEI stuff that, you know, up the country and up capitalism all over the world. It's just that I, I just, I, I understand where this stuff leads. I understand when you treat people differently from everybody else, that automatically puts a target on your back. Like, this is why I, I also oppose dei. It wasn't about like hating black people, not wanting them to have opportunities. It's that, like, this then breeds racism. Like, I just, this is so obvious to me that if you start to get away from the colorblind aspects of America, the things that we had been aspiring to after Martin Luther King Jr. And most people in my generation had accepted and totally, you know, embodied like we had just gotten away from this entire framework of us being different based off of our race. And then as soon as we get to this, this high watermark of acceptance of everybody, and it's all about your capacity and your skill set and Michael Jordan's my hero and Kobe Bryant's my hero and Tupac and Snoop Dogg and like so many black people are my heroes. And then all of a sudden I'm evil and I'm the oppressor and everything else. And this, this, you know, the, the 180 from this high water mark of like everybody accepting, everybody clowning on everybody, like comedians were doing the days of.

Top Lobster (64:19)

Chappelle show, right, where everybody got gunned on.

Raven (64:22)

This is, this is a concerted effort, though. That's what we're saying. Clint.

Clint Russell (64:25)

Right.

Top Lobster (64:25)

I think Michael balance between. What Clint is saying is, Clint is David, these things are going to shoot themselves in the foot.

Raven (64:31)

Let me talk. David.

Top Lobster (64:32)

Okay.

Raven (64:33)

Michael Malice. Yeah. Michael Malice made a great point after Covid and he said some awful people have gained some very useful information as to how far they can push humanity. And I feel like a lot of these things are just experimentations and to understand the psychology of humanity and what they can do and what they can get away with and what will happen next. They've already played this game. They know how this, how this plays out. This is not, it's a cycle repeating, sure, but there are people orchestrating this cycle and they're watching it happen. And this is the part that we should really be paying attention to. It's, it's also in the Bible. It's biblical. A lot of people will take this and they'll spin it and say the Jews are evil. But in Revel, the Book of Revelation, they talk about the, those that say that they are Jews but are not. That Pretend to be, but they are the synagogue of Satan. That's what this is who we're talking about here, these people who say that they are Jews. So now Ian Carroll is telling Joe Rogan, these Jews, I don't even know if they're Jews. They say that they're Jews, but they are not.

Top Lobster (65:34)

Well, we don't even know what a Jew is. What's a Jew, ethnic Jew, you know, racial Jew, religious Jew. But. But, Clint, you and I see the exact same thing when you look at these DEI laws and you go, this is going to create hatred towards the people that it's geared to protect. I see that, too. The only difference is I go, oh, they see that, too.

Raven (65:52)

Yeah, they also see that.

Clint Russell (65:54)

But see, here's the thing, is that I don't think that it was about. About creating this backlash. I think that it was about a distraction from the power structures that existed. You can. You can go down the Jewish line of argumentation. I go down the corporatocracy fascistic model, which is really what we languish under at present, was that everybody. Everybody was in the street over Occupy Wall street and that they were coming for capitalist heads. Like, they were furious. After 08, the recession was absolutely devastating to the average person. And I. I watched it firsthand. Most of us did, and it was just terrible. So in that. In that frame, you realize that, okay, there's this populist left wing movement. You got Bernie Sanders, you got all of these, like, socialists that are rising up. What do you do in that moment? Well, you can just accept that, yeah, we fucked up. We fucked up real bad. No, wait, and we owe you guys and we're going to change our ways. Or you can totally flip this thing and say, this is not about the structure of our. Of our system and how, you know, government contracts ultimately lead to these oligopolies that make it anti competitive practices that make it so that the capitalist system is no longer actually capitalists. Like, we could acknowledge that and we could reform that. We could do the right thing, or we can just say, it's the white people amongst you are the enemies, and everybody that's a victim is, you know, just because they look differently or they love differently or they have different gender or whatever, it's like that was the play. So I agree with you that it was orchestrated, but I think it was orchestrated to deflect from the animosity that was, you know, boiling underneath about the recession.

Top Lobster (67:27)

Well, look, whatever the origins were, I think I have found a solution. So all of this going back and forth. Everybody can breathe a sigh of relief. I think I know what to do. I think what we need is to.

Clint Russell (67:37)

Rip the band aid off.

Top Lobster (67:39)

No, we need Matt Walsh. Shout out to Chaney in Wonderland. Matt Walsh needs to be doing a what is a Jew? Documentary. If we can do that. All right, we did the what is a woman? We need to do what is a Jew? If we can do that, because we can't even establish what a Jew is. And I think until we can get to that point, the conversation is almost.

Raven (67:58)

Just going into the, into the tunnels of New York, just asking random Hasidics that are scrolling around like, what is a Jew anyway?

Top Lobster (68:04)

And jewelry. What's up with the mattresses from the tunnels?

Raven (68:09)

Why is there a dead baby over there? What is this?

Top Lobster (68:11)

Sir, I see you carrying this mattress. Would you mind just taking a moment and just answering a very simple question for me? What is a Jew? And I, I, I, I'd be interested in knowing what the answer is too. So shout out to Matt Walsh. I hope he's, he's hard at work on the documentary that we need.

Clint Russell (68:25)

He, he is not, he's not going to think so.

Raven (68:28)

Dude, no, he will not risk that paycheck.

Clint Russell (68:31)

Maybe if he, maybe if he gets fired or quits the Daily Wire, then he'll, he'll run with that, he'll go the Candace Owens route. But I also wanted to just say that, you know, boring wasn't just taking a shot at Ian Carroll. He's also taking a shot at the Tate brothers. He's also taking a shot at Candace Owens and Theo Vaughn. I do understand that, like, the, the confluence of conversations that have to do with, you know, Jewish things is concerning. Like, if I, especially if I, if I believed that there was this imminent threat for everybody to perish as a consequence of anti Semitism, as Top is apparently feeling as if that's a possibility, I just, I just don't feel that way at all. And I feel that that open dialogue is actually how you turn the temperature down. Especially if you have, if you have nuanced speakers, people that are interested in, in justice and truth and not in persecution of innocent people just because of the religion. Like, that is, that is not what I'm in this for. And I think that if you can actually have open conversations that allow for that nuance, well, then you don't. That doesn't actually turn the temperature up. It turns it down.

Raven (69:30)

What turns it up, though, is the argument back from that. The group that you're calling out because Again, I'm not saying that, you know, Ben Shapiro. Well, I guess Ben Shapiro is. But I'm not saying like common person is doing these things, but they will argue back with, they'll argue back against you because this is their identity. They've bought full on that. This is their identity. They also have bought into the victim. Victim mentality that they will. People want to put them back in camps and do all this stuff to them. It's like nobody really cares or wants to do this stuff. So they have, they have now tied themselves to one side. So when you're, when someone's presenting facts, they're going to argue against it and it's just going to make things more inflamed.

Clint Russell (70:10)

But see, this is, this is why I oppose dei is that like I, I understand the, the, the victimhood narrative that many black people are, are sold throughout their life, you know, throughout their childhood too, throughout their public education.

Top Lobster (70:25)

Like, can I ask something on that before you go on? Is that. Do you think that's by design or.

Clint Russell (70:29)

No, probably because much of it transpires through Hollywood and through public education. Like, who. There are curriculum. Yeah, I mean, you can go that route. But, but my point is, My point is like the, the narrative that the black community. And I'm speaking in broad strokes, some black people don't feel this way. And you know, so I'm not saying everybody, but those that do, I have sympathy for. Like, if you're, if you're just bombarded with movies from Hollywood about slavery over and over and over again, it's like, yeah, dude, like that would you up. And any black movie you see is gang bangers, you know.

Top Lobster (71:07)

Yeah.

Clint Russell (71:07)

And it's like, and, and, and drug trafficking. And it's like, like, yeah, dude, dude, you're in a really rough spot mentally. Like, especially if you're internalizing that and extrapolating these messages as to reflect on you as a person because of how you look. But I, what I'm, what I'm getting at is that like, most of us can acknowledge that when it comes to black people. Can you acknowledge the same when it comes to Jewish people that you are just bombarded with these Holocaust movies and, and all of this other, you know, narrative about anti Semitism and how that you're under threat 24 7. And then if you, if you can put yourself in their shoes, do you understand how you would react to that?

Raven (71:40)

Yeah.

Clint Russell (71:40)

And my reaction would probably be similar to theirs that, well, we need to collectivize. We need to work in tandem to try and suppress these thoughts to get people to not be paying attention to us. To get people to not be hunting us to the end of the earth. It's like, I just. I understand, like, the human nature aspects of this, and I think that oftentimes that gets lost in discussions about this because a lot of people have already concluded that, like, that's my enemy. Therefore, they lose the capacity for sympathy. It's the same thing that I've done with Palestine. It's like, I don't. I don't have any. Like, there's no love between me and Hamas, but I can totally put myself in their shoes and understand why they're so angry at Israel and also vice versa. I can understand after October 7th why so many Israelis are like, just wipe these people off the map. It's weird. It's just weird to me that people have a really hard time with that, that they just can't. They cannot understand both sides of the argument.

Top Lobster (72:31)

I. I think I know where that hard time comes from, and I'm gonna say something stupid, but that's not really different. So within the music industry, you know, you look at what they did to hip hop, and they. They essentially took what was an art form that was reflective of the culture, and they decided, based off of whatever analytics they had, that when these people talk about violence and when they talk about drug usage and when they shit on women, well, record sales go up. And this is putting it. This is being gracious, right? To say there's nothing nefarious here. You could make an argument for that not being the case. But. So what happens then is every black artist that they on board, they go, we really like you, kiddo, but I'm gonna need you to talk about these things because this is how we make the money. And then what happens is the culture eventually becomes a reflection of the art form. So it's like holding a mirror up to the black community. But that mirror is filled with misogyny and. And. And violence and drug usage and, you know, the glorification of those things. And so the community then becomes that. But this is where the stupid thing comes in. It's hard to apply that to the Jewish community when the Jews are, like, massively overrepresented in the music industry and in Hollywood. The very things that generate the propaganda that creates the culture.

Raven (73:56)

But they're victims of their own.

Clint Russell (73:58)

Yeah. So.

Top Lobster (73:58)

Well, they're literally doing it to themselves.

Clint Russell (74:00)

Yeah, he's. He's arguing that they can't, like, we can't have sympathy because it's a lot of Jewish people that are behind.

Top Lobster (74:06)

No, no, I'm not arguing. I'm just saying it becomes a little bit weird. That's all I'm saying. Like, how do you. I don't know how to square that because it's not like the black community is not really doing it to themselves because the record put it this way, owned by them.

Raven (74:18)

Like black on black crime. I'm like, I got no sympathy for that because you're doing it to yourself. This. It's like Jewish on Jewish crime. But it's not, though. That's the thing. There's so much nuance that needs to be.

Top Lobster (74:28)

Black people are black people. What is the Jewish.

Raven (74:32)

Ask Matt Walsh.

Clint Russell (74:36)

His new documentary will explain it.

Top Lobster (74:38)

It's just. You know what I mean? It's like, so. So when it comes to people not having empathy, I have a great. I dunk on black people very often because it's. They're very dunkable. Not in sports, I can't.

Raven (74:48)

No, not in real life.

Top Lobster (74:49)

I simply cannot.

Clint Russell (74:50)

You can dunk on a black dude. Get the fuck out of here.

Top Lobster (74:52)

I can't dunk fucking on anything, period. But on the Internet I can do that. And. But I still have a great deal of empathy because I recognize, like, redlining, not being able to get mortgages, being relegated to having your. Your culture and your art form co opted and used against you. The crack epidemic. You know, I get it, right? We funded the Iran Contra wars and destroyed the black community.

Clint Russell (75:13)

And for the record, slavery did happen.

Top Lobster (75:16)

So, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Who owned the ships? But it just becomes a little bit more difficult when you're talking about the Jews, because, okay, if I'm gonna go, like, well, they redlined and they.

Raven (75:26)

They wouldn't approve. Don't you guys find this annoying, though?

Top Lobster (75:28)

Wait a second, wait a second. I gotta tell you to shut up. Now, the. The banks are the ones that are owned by the Jews, but they're not giving the blacks the mortgage. The music is destroying the black community, but the Jews own the music industry. Hollywood is portraying only the thug, only the drug dealer, only the crime lord. But Hollywood is owned by the Jews. That is where the big problem was, because now try to say that about the Jews.

Clint Russell (75:49)

This is why Kanye was so mad and this is why so many black people backed him up. Because they're. They feel the same way that you just described. Right or wrong.

Raven (75:57)

Do you see the momentum now? And. But it's like. It's not, though. It's not. It's not. Moishy from you know, 3rd Avenue that's doing this. Although like they're just, they are kind of their own people. They have their cultural things. I make fun of them the same way I make fun of other cultures. They don't really, they're not responsible for that, but they're gonna take the hit for that. You're going, you're going down for that.

Clint Russell (76:16)

Well this is, this is the danger with the, the Jewish identity globally is that like they, they, because there's so few of them, you know, only 1% of the global population or something to that effect. And there's this narrative about them being persecuted. Like they have collectivized and they have, they have decided to create this kind of joint defensive network where they all, they all work together and they all hire each other and they all, you know, and they create a nation for each other. But as a consequence of that. Well then how do you, how do you express to the world that we're still individuals? Like that's really tough, right? Like if you're in an ethno state, which is kind of what they've attempted to build, how do you then go, well you can't collectivize us. It's like, well you collectivized you like you did that to you. So it just, it makes it really hard for them to argue that. But fortunately for them I still function from, you know, the, the ideology of classical liberalism that I do view people as individuals. So therefore I am able to differentiate between the Weinstein's of the world and, and the Epstein's of the world and the Moishe on third avenues of the world. Like to me those are not, I don't, I have zero animosity towards Moishe, you know, but I have got a lot towards Epstein or Maxwell for that. For instance.

Top Lobster (77:32)

It's, it becomes that whole thing that we're talking about the individual versus the group. And so you know, as a, as a group, as an operating group that seeks to subvert. Very problematic. But as an individual.

Raven (77:44)

Yeah, I just find it.

Top Lobster (77:46)

The dude that runs the deli, I.

Raven (77:47)

Find the whole thing very tired. I've like I've already done this and I'm just done talking about these guys and they're just constantly coming back up and coming back up and I'm just saying, listen, this is where it's going. I hope it doesn't. But that's, that's what you know, we're headed to.

Top Lobster (78:04)

What worries me is this is a complex idea. It's going to take a long Time to have this conversation on a cultural stage, on a world stage. And what I worry is that as it starts to come out, there's going to be a lot of misconceptions. There's going to be a lot of anger, right? There's going to be a lot of frustration. And God forbid Israel does some silly during that conversation, and that could ruin everything, right? So basically what I'm saying is, if people get to a point where they're starting to realize that this is what's been going on, and then all of a sudden we look over and Israel just, I don't know, demolishes Iran or some crazy like that, that could be huge. We would never get to finish having that conversation and everybody would pretty much unanimously turn on them.

Clint Russell (78:53)

I just wanted to clarify. When I said Weinstein, I'm talking about Harvey Weinstein. I actually like Brett and Eric Weinstein. So gotta clarify because, you know, similar last or same last name.

Top Lobster (79:05)

Well, what we're doing is. Is effective, right? I mean, I don't know. Looking to have this conversation in a big way, and there's all these nuances and it has to unfold and people have to understand and, and I think the more you understand, the less tense and reactive you get what we're doing. And I'm sure there's a lot of people listening, especially, you know, I just gave this whole thing about how the Jews own Hollywood and yada, yada, yada. But I think that this sort of thing needs to be said and it needs to be talked out at length and it needs to get to the point where people feel like, top or I'm just done with it. I'm just, I'm almost bored with it. Like, let's, let's just, let's just move on.

Raven (79:40)

I don't know how effective we are. I feel like, like, number one, I'm beating the same old drum. And I know that the people that I am friends with, was friends with, they don't want to hear me talk about this stuff anymore because it's. It's just like. Don't you feel gross? I feel gross when I'm talking about this right now. It's just like, how many times do I have to say this and how many different ways do I have to say the same thing? And I feel like every. Every month, every week.

Clint Russell (80:07)

I think it's been good, though, because your, your perspective on this has evolved. And I've watched it evolve, you know, granted, most of it through comedic outlets, like towering. But I have watched your perspective on this evolve. You went from being fairly mad about this a couple years ago to now, exhausted slash almost sympathetic or empathetic with what's happening. So I think that that is healthy and I think that your audience has probably gone through that same arc. You know, I never went through the mad phase. I just like, tried to basically, for the longest time, I just didn't want to talk about it because I didn't know enough about it. And then by the time I started to know a little bit about it, people wanted to talk about it. But if you do talk about it, you're not saying it. You're not going hard enough. You're not, you know, and then it's like, then I want to avoid it because I don't want to. I'm not going to, like, I'm not going to cultivate my message to try and satisf satisfy lunatics like you. I'm going to talk about what I want to talk about. And then I got to the point where I was like, look, this matters so much because of the war in, in Gaza that I. I kind of have to engage with this topic. So I'm going to have to just tell the truth. And the truth is, like, what I've laid out in the first hour of the show is that, like, I don't have any animosity towards individual Jews. I have a tremendous amount of concern about, like, Mossad's influence and, you know, apex influence in our politics. Like, that's obviously a real thing. You can't, can't avoid that. That's actually happening. But is it everything like. And that's, that's the thing that I think a lot of the, the Fuentes audience gets wrong. The Groipers audience is like, once they've identified this, they're done searching like that.

Top Lobster (81:37)

That's it. That's what I'm talking about.

Clint Russell (81:38)

That's the end. And I, and I, I think it's a much more nuanced conversation. That's why I like having with you guys, because I think we are actually able to have it in a nuanced fashion that I hope expresses, you know, what I'm trying to convey as opposed to just like, here, good guy, bad guy.

Raven (81:52)

Check this out. So stop being lazy. Top, name the specific Jews. And then, yeah, you want to name these. These are just the. Again, these are just puppets. I like. The more we search, deep down, it seems like it might even go towards like the Catholic Church or the Vatican, the Jesuits, some kind of like Knights of Malta stuff. This, it goes so deep and we're stuck on Jesus.

Clint Russell (82:12)

I think, I think you guys also have a different outlook on this than I do because of your religious backdrop. And you know, I, I always perceive people like, whether they consider themselves Muslim or Christian or Catholic, I still, I still always view them through the lens of a person first, not as a religious being because so few people are actually devoutly religious and like, like move as a religious figure. Like very few people are very few. So I'm curious, like, how has your religious background. You've probably already talked about this ad nauseam, so if you want to just skip it, we can. But how has that changed your perception of things when it came to this topic?

Top Lobster (82:52)

It's, it's frustrating that it's supposed to happen.

Raven (82:55)

It's, it shows you that. It's also frustrating because like I, I read a book and I, I, I don't, I'm not religious, but I'm a Christian. And it's like, well, how do I, how do I justify people like, you know, these people being Jewish, the very first Christians being Jewish, no matter what, you know, Dustin Nemos or whatever, whoever will say, these are the first people that agreed with my religion, they are Jewish. And what is happening today when we're blaming these Jewish, you know, the, the powers that be that are Jewish, it's, it's very difficult, it's frustrating. You go to churches, they're like, we need to put Israel first. We need to help them, send them money, you know, just the complete wrong thing. So like, we've, I've had to like basically scratch and go to zero and look at what, really, what does the Bible say? What is it teaching? What is this religion actually telling me? And you, you're able to gleam a lot of clarity through that when you, when you take away the church, the nonsense that these people are saying on the outside, things that they've, that you've been taught before and focus on what this book is actually telling you. So I don't know, it's a, it's been a painful process, but I think I've, I've, I've gotten better understanding on what is going on and where, where I should be at, on, on issues.

Top Lobster (84:16)

For me, it's just kind of like, I look at these things, I see a lot of prophecy that aligns with it and if that's the case, then it just kind of comes to like, father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.

Clint Russell (84:27)

So do you think, do you think that Topps right and that this is, the persecution cycle is going to culminate in some sort of, I don't know, Holocaust prophecy? Well, yeah, I mean, I don't know what the Bible says in terms of the prophecy. So what, what are you prognosticating here? Because I, I'm unclear.

Top Lobster (84:43)

I think that this, if it goes the way that I suspect it's going to go, there is this cultural movement, this political narrative will eventually hit sort of geopolitics as its final place. And I think the, the world will turn on Israel and I, and I think that the Jews will end up getting persecuted again. And I'm not pumped about that, you know, at all.

Clint Russell (85:06)

So you think Israel is going to be attacked?

Top Lobster (85:09)

I think if I had to guess how that might go, I think that Israel up in some way, shape or form. I think that as the culture is hot with Epstein talk and Jew noticing that Netanyahu makes a fatal mistake, likely if this was theater makes a fatal mistake on the world stage and it becomes rather unforgivable. And I don't, I'm not going to claim to know what that is or even say that, you know, that's definitively going to happen, but I just see that as kind of the way I almost into it. I, I feel it in my gut like that's likely where this would go. But going back to what you were saying before Clint, you were talking about the groipers and, and how it's like they, they discovered this one thing and they're stopping there. They're not going to go anywhere else. That's the group of people that I described to you early that are very much like myself, which is when you wake up, you glom on to the first thing that has any promise to it, any bit of truth. And a lot of these people woke up when four or five years ago go to slow roll, right? Like 20, 22.

Clint Russell (86:10)

And his, his audience is very young too. So like I'm not, I'm not, I'm not trying to condemn them by any sort of imagination. Like I, I even, even though everybody on earth tries to condemn those guys. So like, I just want to be very clear, I'm not trying to condemn them. I'm just saying I think that this like the tapestry of the power of our, of our world is quite complex. Complex. And if you, if you think that at the top of it is just one or you know, a thousand Jewish people that are just pulling the strings for everything that happens in your life, you're going to be just like you're Going to find out that you're wrong. Like there are so many people in high positions of power. I mean think about how many Jewish presidents in America have there been? None. But they still, obviously they do have a tremendous amount of influence on the White House. So like, I'm not trying to say that that's not the issue. I'm just saying you ought to concern yourself with the non Jewish people that are involved in politics and not just assume that oh, he's a Christian, he's on my team. Like get the out of here. Like some of these, some of these people are the most dangerous, nefarious evil in, in the power structure at all. But if you, if you turn a blind eye to them because they're not Jewish, well then you up like you're.

Raven (87:19)

Totally taking John Brennan. Is John Brennan Jewish?

Clint Russell (87:23)

You know, like apparently, yeah, apparently he converted to Islam I think. But interesting.

Top Lobster (87:29)

Well, yeah, but you know, going back to what Top was saying too about like the you know, early Christians I guess were Jews. I think Owen Benjamin does a fantastic job of presenting an argument that should be always injected right in the middle of that statement, which is to say that when you're talking about Christ and whether or not he was a Jew, what do you mean? Do you mean that he is advocating for predatory loans, for pornography usage? Is he, I don't know, subverting societies? Is he, is he spreading, you know, morally bankrupt ideology? Like no, he's not doing any of that. And when we're talking about Jews, that's just a catch all phrase for the attributes that I just described. So I mean really at the end of the day it's are you upset with the Jews or not? I'm upset with anybody that seeks to corrode a culture's moral fabric, you know, that that's who. So if that's a Jew or that's a self proclaimed Christian, are you trying to get people to, to take loans that are going to ruin their lives? Are you trying to convince them that, you know, they should just indulge in their sin and that there's really no downside to that? I mean that sort of thing and never get what actually doesn't resonate?

Clint Russell (88:49)

I mean have no kids or have kids out of wedlock, like yes, those are all very important. But I again I think if you, if you, if you laser focus on that particular niche topic, you, you lose sight of the fact that like the, the military industrial complex and the era of total war since 911 has eroded our cultural framework. So like if you're only paying attention to the pornographers and the, you know, music industry or whatever. You're missing, you're missing an aspect of this that still has as if not a bigger, more poignant impact on our culture. And I just, that's why I think it's just very important to, to keep an open mind and not to assume that you know everything. And I, I do the same for myself. I definitely don't know everything, but I'm also older and I've just had a lot of time, a lot of lot more time than these groper kids have had to try and develop a worldview. So. And I, and I think that they.

Top Lobster (89:47)

Will evolve like that to be wrong.

Clint Russell (89:49)

Well, yes, that's a great way to put it. I've had more time to be wrong and therefore I probably have more things.

Raven (89:54)

Right. And you can't be wrong in this time period. This is, this is why I feel like it's such a. It's such an issue. I was allowed to be wrong in 2021, 2022, we're doing Tower Gang and I'm making all these jokes and stuff like we're telling the truth. But it's not, it's not even really that I was wrong. It just wasn't. I wasn't nuanced. Right now in the stage that we're at right now, I feel like we can't be wrong for, like, these kids can't be wrong for three years. Things are moving real quick. And if you're wrong for three years and it takes you that much time to evolve and kind of understand what's going on here, the time has already passed and you're going to be use. You'll. You'll be useful idiots played into the. In whatever game is being played out.

Clint Russell (90:31)

Well, here's the truth. I mean, 80 to 85% of people are useless idiots or useful idiots and sometimes useless. And, and it's just like, how useful will the 15 to 20% be? Like, that's, that's the key here. And that's your.

Top Lobster (90:45)

I don't know your path. Which way, Western man? Are you going to be a useful idiot? Are you going to be a dangerous retard?

Clint Russell (90:52)

That's right. I mean, you hit it right at 90 minutes, but I still don't want to end the episode. So I don't know.

Raven (90:58)

We got to. We have to read some super chats and then.

Top Lobster (91:01)

Oh, that's right, super chats.

Raven (91:02)

Yeah. We've got so spooky toucan, $5 poso. Is a fed. Ian Carroll is the best. Ian? Is there another Ian I should know about?

Top Lobster (91:11)

W. Oh, you're not. You're gonna not mention Ian Crossland?

Raven (91:14)

Wow. Does he still make content?

Top Lobster (91:16)

That's a high quality, Ian. Yes.

Raven (91:19)

Pam Bondi needs to redeem herself. We need a rest. Keep up the good work, y'all. Okay, thank you. I don't.

Top Lobster (91:24)

Spooky toucan.

Raven (91:25)

It's more of a statement. Yeah, I appreciate that. Eric John, pizza artist, a verified supporter.

Top Lobster (91:29)

What's that, brother?

Raven (91:30)

$2. Also the. Oh, no, wait up. This is. I might be reading this. Out of order. Here we go. Let's read this one. The thing I have trouble with is if these forces are as powerful as people claim, how the hell has Joe Rogan made it this far and got as big as he can?

Clint Russell (91:45)

He's.

Raven (91:46)

Yeah. As he has. He's funded by a major corporation now, right? Is he.

Top Lobster (91:51)

I don't know. Which major corporation?

Raven (91:52)

Spotify.

Clint Russell (91:53)

Spotify.

Top Lobster (91:54)

Oh, yeah. I'm not going to speculate as to whether or not Joe Rogan is co opted or not. What I am going to say is you are fooling yourself if you think the intelligence agencies are clamoring to get a hand on that operation.

Clint Russell (92:08)

Yeah, well, of course I still am fully in the. You can call me the blue pill camp on this. I. I 100% believe that. That Joe Rogan is an independent operator. That is speaking his 100%. I do. Yeah.

Top Lobster (92:24)

Okay, fair.

Clint Russell (92:25)

I mean that doesn't mean that there is an advertiser pressure or there isn't corporate pressure that comes periodically. But Rogan Rogan basically made it on his own because he got into this world before there was a real censorship apparatus. Like he was. He was doing huge numbers before the. Even before Trump existed. Like he started a show in 09. So like he was ignored for the first six, seven, eight years of his show and by the time he got on the radar, he was so popular that it just. They couldn't stop it. So yes to your point, of course they're trying to co opt it. Of course they're trying to get guests on there that will help with narrative curation. But in terms of who he is and what he's about, I'm 100 convinced that he's the real deal.

Top Lobster (93:06)

I don't think that Logan is a more a week like person.

Raven (93:10)

No. A week like today though. A week like this week. You there. There is a concerted effort by Joe Rogan to paint a narrative and it's. It's his. It could be his narrative or could be somebody telling him to do this. I don't know. That's not for me to speculate. But I know that he is painting a narrative. His last week of guests and the things he's mentioned have all been congruent. They've all told a story, and the story is what we talked about here today. So he is doing something. He's. He's pushing this narrative. And then the, the reason that I question him, I'm like one of the biggest Joe Rogan fans out there. Like, I, I used to listen to all of his stuff, love ufc, used to love Fear Factor. It should come back on. But like, the reason I'm questioning. Yeah. Is a Sam Tripoli. I mean, Sam Tripoli was a early. He was like guest number one or two on that show and he wasn't invited back on for a long time because he wasn't allowed to say this stuff. He was kicked out of the comedy community and still gets a cold shoulder. Eddie Bravo, treated very harshly talking about this stuff. You name it, even. Who's the guy from Blink182 talking about aliens?

Top Lobster (94:13)

Tom DeLonge.

Raven (94:14)

Tom DeLonge who was kicked off the show early. They did like an hour, which is very unusual. Now, a lot of the stuff he said turned out to be true, but it's like, what does Rogan know and what does he know that we're not allowed to say right now? I feel like he's got a great grasp on these things and I, I don't know, I'm just speculating, but. Well, something.

Top Lobster (94:31)

What I would say is that a person's moral fabric is, Is one thing, but this, you know, intelligence operations or intelligence agencies rather have a solution for somebody that won't bend and compromise their mortal. You just threaten them. You know what I mean? So I'm not. All of this doesn't even have to be. I mean, I'm not saying that Rogan is co opted, but the idea that he's an upstanding, moral dude who just wants this or that. I'm not saying that that's what you're saying, Clint, but that's what an argument that I see a lot is. Oh, more, you know, Rogan's a good guy. This thing happened organically. He wouldn't do that. Everything seems to be in alignment with the way he's always been consistent with his, his views as they've always been. And I would say that, yeah, they would just threaten that. That guy.

Clint Russell (95:15)

Yeah, of course, of course they could threaten him or his family, but I think he would just shut down his show if you. If he had been threatened in that way. But I think I just have a very unique view on these things because. And I'm not to say that I'm right, but just a unique view because most people don't know a lot of these people. But, like, I personally know Dave Smith really well. I know Tim Pool really well. I know Ian Carroll pretty well. I mean, we only hung out once, but it was for like, like four hours or it was like for a full day, actually. And I just, I, like, I feel like I have a good sense of people after being in the business world and just living for as long as I have and interacting a long time. Yeah, just forever. For 100 years I've been alive and. And just like, I feel like I have a good judge of character. And I really like Ian Carroll and I. And I really like Dave Smith and I really like Tim Pool. And I know a lot of people hate these guys. And it's just like I come away feeling just a. Just a different perspective on these people because I've seen their humanity. I've seen. I've spent countless hours with Tim in the poker hole or doing different things, and it's like, you, like, he's not faking that, you know, like, he's being who he is. And, and I, I feel like, particularly given my relationship to Dave and how close Dave is with Rogan and how close Dave is with Tucker, that, like, you just come away being less jaded about what these people's motivations are and where they're actually, like, what they're actually doing. You know, they're all obviously highly driven and very much interested in fame and fortune. Like, you don't get to the highest levels of any industry if you're not most likely, particularly a performance industry like stand up comic and podcaster and everything else. So I'm not saying that they don't have selfish motivations too. I'm just saying that I think that they are sincere and I think that particularly in the podcast arena, you cannot be as successful as they've been by painting a narrative and handcrafting it. For instance, the Daily Wire guys, this is why their star is fading, this is why the Candace Owens star is rising, is that their narrative cannot be honest about certain topics. It cannot, like, explicitly. Therefore, their audience senses something's off. And if they ever listen to Candace Owens, if they ever listen to the Dave Smiths of the world or even Rogan, they'll probably start to listen to them more because they just like, once you're interested in long form conversations, you're going to be drawn towards the most fruitful, honest, long form conversations. And that ain't the Daily Wire. Sorry, guys. So I guess that's, that's why I'm, I'm more convinced of Rogan's, you know, sincerity.

Top Lobster (97:45)

I. In this space, I am skeptical of virtually everyone. I was just talking on the last episode of Nephilim Death Squad that we did only a couple of hours ago that during the Obama administration, Cass Sunstein got tossed on the administration. He's the guy that wrote Cognitive Infiltration. And a lot of that was surmising that there could be great benefit in infiltrating and then steering these conspiracy movements and positioning, you know, your own person as, as sort of their talking head. And I don't think that that was a unsuccessful plan. I think that probably among us right now, especially giving the death of legacy media, there are probably more than a few people who we would call our peers who would fit this bill. Right? I mean, it is smart. You have a, a group of people that's a breakaway from the masses. The masses are easy. They're the lemmings that we talk about often. Right, but what do you do with that 15%? They're dangerous. They're the ones that can see through and identify when you know something is happening, when something is a psychological operation. Well, you infiltrate them and, and then you get your guys and you position them and they'll give you some limited hangout. But then they'll also give you like. But that one thing you're talking about, not the case. Don't worry about that. And I'm not saying that that's Rogan, but I am left to wonder who among us is that person? Because given the idea that they would be backed by an intelligence agency, lends itself to the idea that they'd probably be quite successful in this space. They probably have a pretty big presence.

Clint Russell (99:22)

See, I disagree with that because the audience demand for the podcast world is just simply different than what they like. They are adapting on the fly. They're trying to do what you're describing. I just think that they're failing miserably at it because the way that they were able to cultivate narrative control in the past was we've got three nightly news shows that we need to control the anchors. That's highly doable. You now have tens of thousands of independent commentators. You cannot control all of them and the audience itself. The whole reason that we're not watching the nightly news is because we already realized that we're being lied to. So we're already a unique subset of humanity that is like, interested in honesty. Therefore, we migrated to Joe Rogan back in 09, or like I did in 09. Most people didn't start that early. But like, once you're, once you're in that lane though, it. You, you sniff out artists so, so quickly. And I think that like you just like they keep talking about, we need to find our own Joe Rogan. The Democrats talk about it constantly. We need to find our own Joe. It's like you had him, he was a Democrat.

Top Lobster (100:27)

They tried to get their own Alex Jones with Glenn Beck.

Clint Russell (100:30)

Yeah, well, and, and Glenn Beck had a lot of success, but I think it's because Glenn Beck talked about a lot of things that were true. I mean, he really did. He was all like, he was the one that popularized the George Soros and all of his funding of overthrows of governments and like that. That was all Glenn Beck.

Top Lobster (100:45)

He was hammering like they were trying to create a mainstream legacy media answer to, to Alex Jones at the time, though. And I'm not saying that, yeah, it doesn't have his value.

Clint Russell (100:54)

No, they, you're right, but I'm just saying you can't do that with a totally contrived like you. Yes, it could be a limited hangout. Maybe Glenn Beck is that. I don't know. But I'm just saying he was telling some truths that were not being told elsewhere. And, and so like the limited hangout was dangerous. You know, like they, they let some real get out there. And it became very popular as a consequence of his success on Fox News and then his radio show and, and Blaze and everything else that he's done since then. But I just think like every, every next generation, there's this a new iteration of the old guard, you know, Alex Jones. Yes. They tried to co. You know, they tried to create him with Glenn Beck, but then Glenn, then Alex Jones really like his heir apparent at this point appears to be Ian Carroll, and Ian Carroll goes way harder on Israel than Alex Jones has historically. So I just think that like, this is the natural evolution and, and even though I've only spent, you know, a limited amount of time, and even though I've spoken very highly of Ian Carol, he can prove to be flawed. Like, I, I'm not, I'm not going to the mat for the guy. I don't know him that well, but I think that if he does, if he up badly which he, he briefly up when he was talking about, you know, Trump's plan with Gaza and owning it and saying, maybe this is the best thing. I'm not sure. And his audience was absolutely furious with him. My point is, like, with fame and fortune, he could totally lose sight of what matters most. And if you do that, you will lose your audience or at least you will lose that, that, that, that incredible trajectory that he's been on. So I think that's everybody's, you know, in our environment, in our world, that's, that's what everyone has to focus on is like, if you, if you ever lose sight of what you're really striving towards, which is truth, well, then you're. And this is where I. It's funny that I'm the one preaching this because I. That's how I view religion. It's like, that's the pursuit of truth. And if you lose sight of that, then you will ultimately fall, you know, you'll be a fallen angel.

Raven (102:44)

This is a. It's the greatest, it's the greatest thing about what we're doing, that, what you've been doing for a very long time. And apparently now I am doing put my foot in. It's like I'm constantly looking out for, like, when your favorite content creator is going to just slip up and do this thing and then take this side that is complete that I no longer, I can no longer get behind.

Clint Russell (103:04)

And it's like, it's like Bongino, Bongino, when he's like, we've, you know, Epstein, he was on IRL a year ago and he's like, you know, Epstein, he was, he was working for a nation in the Middle East.

Raven (103:14)

I can't say the name. Yeah, which nation?

Clint Russell (103:16)

But, but his audience, like, he lost a big chunk of his audience because of that. Because as soon as you, as soon as you, like once you, you grow an audience because you're telling the truth, you're telling it how it is. And then there's this one thing that you just go, I don't know, you know, and everyone's just like, what the, dude? And then you're toast after that.

Raven (103:35)

Let's run through these, let's run through these super chats, because we got stuck on one. Yeah, we have like a couple more and then we will get out of here again. Pizza. John. The hard truth is that the vast majority of people don't give a. About Jeffrey Epstein or the relationship between the US and Israel. It doesn't track in the top 20 things people care about. I think that that's true as well.

Clint Russell (103:54)

Yeah, broadly. Broadly, that's true. Yeah.

Top Lobster (103:57)

Although I think opinions and concerns are not their own.

Raven (103:59)

There's probably time. There's probably some pictures, though, that people could see that will change their mind on some of these things. I mean, there's maybe, like, there are.

Top Lobster (104:07)

Campaigns up against a wall with a palm cross and some Ms. Paint.

Raven (104:12)

It was easy. It was easy. Evan. 626. $10. Thank you very much. There's no legit evidence that Ian is a Fed. Anyone who makes it big from this scene will be new that that is true. Only people in this scene don't have baggage. Ian is perfect for the normie. Whis. The normie whisperer. Hot and relatable.

Top Lobster (104:34)

Relatable. That's what I was saying. A lot of people are mad because they're like, why is he in Carol getting famous off of this?

Raven (104:40)

Seven feet tall.

Top Lobster (104:41)

Yeah. Six, eight. Long, beautiful hair, killer mustache, amazing jawline. You're ugly. That's why it's not fucking going anywhere. I've been saying shit for years and nobody gives a fuck.

Raven (104:52)

My facial features have contributed to exactly where I'm at. My station in life makes a lot of sense. Five, eight, look like me. If I'm seven feet tall. Look like Ian Carroll. And I'm like, where I'm at, I'm fucking up. So it's not a surprise when people say this. Like it's. It's inorganic. Maybe. Maybe he had some breaks here and there, but, like. Yeah, no, the guy brings great information. He looks great. He speaks great. Like, what's the surprise? Are you retarded?

Clint Russell (105:14)

I think. I think the other reason that he's so successful is that he hasn't been around long enough to be bitter. And if you. If you haven't had any. I mean, Ryan Dawson as you. You've gone to war with him a few times. Whitney Webb and Alex David Ike. Unbelievably better. My point is, like, once you. Once you've been in the conspiracy theorist realm and you've just been ignored and pilloried and blacklisted and everything else, like, I'm. I'm. That's justifiable upset like that they're dealing with. So I'm not. I'm not trying to diminish it. I'm just saying once you're in that mode, it makes you a much less compelling speaker. Yes. Because no one wants to listen to you about your life.

Top Lobster (105:51)

That's exactly what I said.

Clint Russell (105:52)

I'm here for the Truth, bro. So shut the up about bring in.

Raven (105:55)

From, you know, bring information, bring the heat. Like if you. But that's just a, that's a life lesson, right? Like that's complacency. David Ike's like, I've done the work. I've talked about the lizard people. I was like, well, keep talking about it. David Ike, keep looking. Keep digging this rabbit hole deep, baby.

Top Lobster (106:09)

Keep talking about it, right? We're like right on the precipice. And, and David Ike's like, I want to talk about thing that I talked about.

Raven (106:15)

I'm going to talk about Ian Carol instead. I was like, Ian Carol, talk about some other man. People are listening. People are ready.

Top Lobster (106:21)

Reptilians.

Clint Russell (106:22)

That's, that's why I think those people burn out. And I think, I mean they burn out because they're burnt out one but also they burn out because once you start to become bitter, your audience just gets sick of it and they move on to someone who's more hopeful and optimistic in the, in the, you know, that's conveying this information. And I'm sorry, but like Ryan Dawson and Whitney Webb, even though I like Ryan a lot, I don't know Whitney, but like there is just a tinge of like the world that like people don't want to listen to all the time. And Ian Carroll is just jubilant because he's had all of these doors open to him that he never thought would be. And, and, and that, that energy conveys a positivity that I think more audiences want to listen to.

Raven (107:02)

It's why, it's why I can't be. It's why I, I had to stop, step away from like the whole, the whole Jewish narrative because I'm like, I'm saying things, I'm like, this isn't even funny anymore. Like, I don't find this funny. This is just mean.

Top Lobster (107:15)

It's not fun.

Raven (107:17)

And people could tell, I can tell that it's not fun for me, it's not fun for other people looking at this and I was like, wait a second, I got to step back. Like, if I really hated black people when I make jokes about them, it wouldn't be funny. It's funny because it's like there's a, this light heartedness where it's like, hey, sharing this with me. This is kind of, look at this absurdity. Once you start getting too close to that, it's all downhill, baby.

Clint Russell (107:36)

That's the major thing I always say to Toad. I'm like, dude, you're just saying The N word to say it. You know, like it sounds. It sounds. It sounds angry and it doesn't sound funny. It doesn't sound like you're joking and like because of that people. Yeah, it sounds not funny at all to me. And then I'm like, then I don't want to do this anymore.

Top Lobster (107:51)

So I think that's it, though. You're not. People aren't mad at base, Harold. They're mad at being ugly. That's. That's really it. All right, let's. Let's move on to the next super chat.

Raven (108:00)

We have one more after this. Wait till Clint finds out about the first hoax that. The first hoax didn't happen. I don't know what you're talking about, Dylan, but the next one is a banger and this is kind of mean Trump. Like Epstein. Clint likes Tim. Same thing. Unbelievable.

Clint Russell (108:16)

Very much a wee bit harsh.

Raven (108:19)

Wee bit harsh. And I, I have some harsh words to say about Tim, but Jesus, dude, I would never say that about him.

Clint Russell (108:25)

He. He is a faithful now father. So you got. You got that one.

Top Lobster (108:30)

Congratulations.

Raven (108:31)

I am happy. I'm happy that he has. I like that he's got a kid. I like. Yeah, I like that man. I like where his motherhood has a.

Top Lobster (108:36)

Way of making you less gay.

Raven (108:38)

Yeah, I think so.

Top Lobster (108:40)

I think so.

Raven (108:41)

We'll find out.

Top Lobster (108:42)

Is that all we got for super chats?

Raven (108:43)

That's all we got for super chats, baby. I think that's. Is that the show, guys? Are we done?

Top Lobster (108:47)

We did it. We finished it, guys. I think so.

Clint Russell (108:50)

I don't know. I feel like we should keep going.

Raven (108:52)

More juice stuff on the. We're leaving some juice stuff on the table.

Top Lobster (108:55)

I just feel like there's some Jew bones.

Clint Russell (108:58)

Let's just. I, I definitely do not need to keep talking about Jews. We've done so much of that. And I hope. I hope the next episode is not about that. But I am curious what your guys thoughts are on the persecution of the Tate brothers, because we didn't. We did not get a chance to talk about that. The ag. I think it was the AG of Florida or some attorney in Florida in the government came out and said after I guess Desantis instructed him and been posted it boldly. Basically find me the man, show me the crime type of mentality. I. It. It personally made me sick. Regardless of whether or not you think these guys are terrible for the culture and maybe even criminals, like, like, I just don't like what they're doing at all with it.

Raven (109:38)

What were your takeaways I don't understand. I don't know what they're doing. They're. They're investigating. You're gonna raid their. What, Hotel room? What did they bring? You thought that they brought evidence of them trafficking children in Romania to their hotel room in Florida? It's obviously political. I do enjoy. I do enjoy, Clint, targeting your political enemies. I don't necessarily understand why they're their political enemies. Besides some kind of. I think political.

Clint Russell (110:03)

I think that that's the interesting part to unpack. Why are they the political enemies of desantis? Because they have. I mean, he's been. I. You know, they could be as petty as this. The Tate brothers have been big boosters for Trump, and DeSantis, as we recall, ran for the presidency and got blown the out. And maybe it's that simple that he's just like. And. And now that his wife is going to try and run to be governor of Florida, that he just looks at these guys and he's like, I can't have these incredibly compelling, charismatic dudes talking about whoever's running against my wife.

Top Lobster (110:37)

So. So what has been decided? Because last time we were talking, it was just like, the Tate brothers aren't welcome here. And I'm like, well, I like that. You could say you're not welcome here. You can still come in. But no one's gonna welcome. No one's gonna.

Clint Russell (110:47)

It's worse than that, dude. The attorney in Florida came out and said, I have. I have filed, like, they have a search warrant for the Tates. Like, they were going to raid their. And I don't know if. I don't think that happened, because if it had, I'm sure.

Top Lobster (111:01)

Don't you need probable cause to be able to get this.

Clint Russell (111:03)

This is my point. It's like the. And then when. When they tweet about it, they're basically saying that the probable cause is like, decades old video of the Tate brothers talking about that they did with these girls. And I'm like, that's. Is that probable cause? Really? Some words on a video like, I. I don't know. It just seemed. It seems clearly political. And what. What bothers me the most about it is that you spent two plus years, some of it in prison, most of it in house arrest. The Tate brothers did in Romania being actively investigated by Dicot or whatever it's called, and they never saw trial. And it's like. And then these are Americans that are clearly being personally, you know, politically prosecuted there, probably because of the U.S. state Department and the Biden Administration trying to hunt his ass down there. And then he gets released with. With assistance from someone in the. From Rick Grinnell, according to Roger Stone actually went or at least had a phone call with the Romanians to get them released. They land in Florida and then Desantis tries to throw them in prison. I'm like, this is all nuts, man.

Top Lobster (112:09)

That's strange. Admittedly, I did see a really cool video of Tristan Tate beating the out of a 15 year old girl the other day. I'd never seen that video. And I gotta say, he looked in like the prime of his life at that time. I was a really aggressive Tristan Tate. I would not want to fight that version of Tristan Tate at all. So I don't know if that's.

Clint Russell (112:25)

That's your takeaway. He's being up some 15 year old.

Top Lobster (112:27)

Girl and you're like, I don't got hands, dude. I thought that Andrew was the kickboxer. I didn't know that Tristan Tate also had hands. He rag dolled that look. I don't know why he did that. I'm sure she maybe owed him money or was misbehaving, but I don't know. It was. It was so long ago. It was so long ago that even I am like, number one, solid technique. Number two, that was bygones be bygones. Let him in. Let him in. As far as I'm concerned. It's fine.

Clint Russell (112:53)

It's fine. I have not seen that video, but I'm gonna have to check it out.

Top Lobster (112:57)

He beat her ass. She looks so she. The way he her up. I was like, this must have been annoying.

Clint Russell (113:01)

You're sure? Because I've seen the one with Andrew. I've never seen the one with Tristan.

Top Lobster (113:05)

This person had hair.

Raven (113:06)

And.

Top Lobster (113:06)

And to. To their credit, whoever this mysterious warrior was, it was very pixelated. It was very hard to determine who they actually were. So I don't know if that was Tristan Tate. Maybe I'm saying something unfounded, but he beat ass like a Tate brother. So whoever he is, you know, God bless you. You got a set of hands on you, baby boy. I think let him in.

Raven (113:27)

I let. Whatever. There's nothing you can do. He's in. As a matter of fact, I love what he tweeted. No, they leave.

Top Lobster (113:34)

God damn it.

Raven (113:35)

They didn't leave.

Clint Russell (113:36)

He says they said they were leaving yesterday. I don't know if they did or not.

Raven (113:39)

Yeah. And then he goes. He. Here, here's. Let me bring this up.

Top Lobster (113:42)

Here's the.

Raven (113:43)

And then he goes, Looks. Thank you, Florida. Very Welcoming. Then he goes, change my mind. Just brought a place in Miami, Penthouse. Like, I fucking love this guy. He's an awful person. He's bad for the culture. Don't want him talking to my kids. I understand why he's a political threat because God forbid this guy runs for some kind of office or just decides to become influential in this space, in this political space in Florida, where basically Florida is dictating where America will go. It's super dangerous. Especially if you've set up for the last four years, Ron DeSantis or the last eight years doing a specific thing for Florida and understanding that you're pointing this nation. Hey, here comes Andrew Tate. He's about to come and take that from you. So I understand why you would be threatened by it.

Top Lobster (114:24)

Let me ask you this post. Is there, is there anybody that's more Florida than the Tate brothers?

Raven (114:30)

No.

Clint Russell (114:30)

They're like, they are, they are the embodiment of Florida. So he says I do random hand signals at random people I walk past. So the FBI following me has to work out why I held up four fingers to a crackhead.

Top Lobster (114:41)

So funny. So funny. So funny. Honestly, I think that Florida could become. Florida's an awesome place. I love it here. It could become exponentially cooler if imagine the Tate brothers ran for like one of them became the governor of Florida. How cool would that be? We would be the coolest state in the world. So as far as I'm concerned, the 15 year olds around my neighborhood, annoying. And I think we lay down the law. Been around a 15 year old girl. Holy. I have these that I would ask ask Tristan Tate to beat the out of.

Raven (115:08)

These 15 year old girls have never worked a hard day in their life. They need to show their bottle in front of a camera.

Top Lobster (115:14)

They don't have hands. They don't know how to fight. They don't know what cardio is. Right. They don't know how intense this can be. Yeah, I think bring them in and let's get these kids to shut the up for a second. Very annoying 15 year olds. Like I said, I got a couple of nieces that I think would be huge fans of the Tate brothers.

Clint Russell (115:29)

No, you're right, you're right. We gotta have the Tate brothers basically just become kings of Florida so they can beat the out of 15 year old. All of, all of the 15 year old girls in Florida. They really need a reality check. So.

Top Lobster (115:39)

Yes, yes. Honestly, if there was any like state that had a problem with their, their teenagers, it would probably be Florida.

Clint Russell (115:46)

I think, you know, not anymore. Thank you, Andrew.

Top Lobster (115:49)

Not anymore, baby. Head kicks for everybody. You get a head kick.

Clint Russell (115:53)

I'm glad. I'm glad because this conversation was fairly serious for the first, you know, 90 minutes. So we had to, bro. Yeah, we had to. We had to convey why this is, in fact, called Dangerous Retard. So thank you guys for tuning in. Make sure you hit the like button. Subscribe. Leave a comment down below. If we got anything wrong, which we didn't, and if you think we did, it's because you're wrong and retarded. But are you dangerously. I don't know. I hope so. Share the show around. Love you guys. Peace.