013: The Toad of the Spear - Dangerous RTRDs

Summary

Nephilim Death Squad - Episode 013: "The Toad of the Spear - Dangerous RTRDs"

Release Date: May 14, 2025

Hosts: TopLobsta (Top Lobster) and Raven
Description: Exploring conspiracies through a Biblical lens, featuring discussions on topics ranging from ancient resurrection chambers to the nature of schizophrenia.

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1. Controversial Language in Media

Timestamp: [00:45] - [01:59]

The episode opens with a heated discussion about the use of racial slurs in music. Top Lobster raises the issue when a guest apparently uses the N-word, questioning its place in modern media and music.

• Top Lobster: "Can I have a really controversial take right now that I'm definitely going to regret saying? What if someone's going to put that word on their song?"

• Clint: "Or Al Hiller."

The conversation delves into the permissibility and consequences of using such language, emphasizing the importance of context and the potential backlash.

2. The Viral Phenomenon of "Toad"

Timestamp: [02:38] - [04:03]

The hosts discuss "Toad," a figure who has recently gained significant online traction with a controversial song. They explore the backlash he’s receiving, including doxxing and death threats.

• Clint: "Toad is in the middle of the throes of this virality. Right."

• Top Lobster: "Look at what we've done to him, Clint. Made him likable. He can't now hang out with his Daily Wire friends anymore."

They analyze the social dynamics and consequences of sudden internet fame, questioning the sustainability and ethics of such viral moments.

3. Analyzing Timothy Alberino’s "Birthright"

Timestamp: [18:25] - [27:58]

The discussion shifts to Timothy Alberino’s book "Birthright," which explores alien abductions and their connection to Biblical texts like the Book of Enoch. The hosts debate Alberino’s assertions about extraterrestrial involvement in human evolution and the nature of these abductions.

• David: "He thinks that they're like Indiana Jones and he wrote Indiana Moans."

• Clint: "People in military fatigue are seen alongside alien abductors in testimonies. They seem to serve an automaton purpose."

The conversation delves into the philosophical and theological implications of Alberino’s theories, questioning whether these beings are purely extraterrestrial or have demonic influences.

4. Biblical Narratives and Apocryphal Texts

Timestamp: [25:17] - [44:05]

Hosts explore the intersections between canonical Bible texts and apocryphal writings, particularly the Book of Enoch. They debate the completeness of the Bible and the potential insights gained from supplementary texts.

• Clint: "Genesis 6 and Genesis 3:15 align closely with what Timothy Alberino describes."

• Top Lobster: "The Ethiopian Bible includes texts like the Book of Enoch, which bolster the Bible's stance."

They argue for a more inclusive approach to Biblical studies, suggesting that additional texts could provide a more cohesive understanding of spiritual and supernatural phenomena.

5. Immigration, Open Borders, and Geopolitical Impacts

Timestamp: [57:00] - [88:48]

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to discussing the complexities of immigration policies, open borders, and their societal impacts. The hosts critique both libertarian and mainstream perspectives on these issues.

• Clint: "If you open the borders, you risk national security and cultural cohesion."

• David: "Closed borders allow for controlled acclimation of migrants, preserving American values."

They examine real-world examples, such as demographic shifts in New Jersey and Europe’s migrant crisis, highlighting the challenges of maintaining cultural harmony amidst rapid population changes.

6. Conspiracy Theories and Current Political Events

Timestamp: [90:05] - [112:29]

The hosts delve into various conspiracy theories related to geopolitical tensions, including speculations about presidential assassinations, foreign influence in government, and the manipulation of religious narratives.

• David: "I believe whoever shot at Trump intended to blame Iran. Who has the most incentive to assassinate?"

• Top Lobster: "Israel’s shifting stance could lead to significant geopolitical upheaval."

They discuss the interplay between religious prophecies, political maneuvers, and potential global conflicts, questioning the transparency and intentions of political leaders.

7. Community Responses to Violence and Racial Tensions

Timestamp: [84:07] - [101:25]

The conversation shifts to personal anecdotes and broader societal reactions to racial violence. The hosts share experiences from their communities, illustrating the persistent racial tensions and the often inadequate responses to violent incidents.

• Clint: "In Carteret, NJ, racial tensions escalated rapidly when demographic shifts occurred."

• Top Lobster: "Community-led initiatives, like cookouts, are attempts to heal but often fall short."

They critique the effectiveness of these community responses, highlighting the deep-seated issues that continue to fuel racial conflicts.

8. Conclusion and Future Predictions

Timestamp: [112:29] - [127:19]

In the closing segments, the hosts discuss upcoming events, including a live gathering at Brographer.com, and reflect on the episode’s themes. They emphasize the ongoing struggle between maintaining cultural identity and adapting to changing societal norms.

• Top Lobster: "We're not playing the same game anymore. We've broken the mold."

• Clint: "This is going to be a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity."

They wrap up with plans for future discussions and events, reinforcing their dedication to exploring and challenging prevailing societal and spiritual narratives.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Top Lobster [00:53]: "Oh, my God. I can't. Did he say the N word?"

• Clint [02:07]: "We're not names or anything."

• David [05:15]: "I'm somebody that thought I could fix this, and I'm starting to think about having to eat my neighbors."

• Clint [25:35]: "Seven generations. So if your grandmother was involved with this stuff, summoning these entities, it's likely that somebody along her line will also bear this bloodline."

• Top Lobster [57:28]: "It's going to be a messy fucking situation. But we should have never been here in the first place."

• David [102:17]: "Most people are interested in looking after their family, believing in God, but they aren't interested in not stealing from me, not disarming me, letting me speak freely."

Key Takeaways

• Cultural and Racial Tensions: The episode highlights the ongoing struggles with racial slurs in media, demographic shifts, and the resulting societal tensions.

• Conspiracy and Spirituality: A deep dive into Timothy Alberino’s theories on alien abductions intersects with Biblical narratives, questioning the nature of extraterrestrial influences.

• Immigration Policies: A critical examination of open borders versus controlled immigration, emphasizing the impact on cultural cohesion and national security.

• Geopolitical Speculations: Discussions on potential political assassinations, foreign influence, and the precarious state of international relations.

• Community Responses: Personal anecdotes illustrate the complexities of addressing racial violence and the limitations of community-led healing initiatives.

Conclusion: Episode 013 of "Nephilim Death Squad" weaves together themes of spirituality, conspiracy theories, societal challenges, and geopolitical concerns. Through passionate discussions and personal insights, Top Lobster and Raven provide listeners with a multifaceted exploration of the forces shaping our world today.

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Note: This summary excludes advertisements, intros, outros, and non-content segments to focus solely on the substantive discussions of the episode.

Transcript

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[Top Lobster]

Oh, my God. I can't. Did he say the N word?

[Clint]

I'm just curious.

[Top Lobster]

Oh, yeah, he says it all. You have to. Oh, my God, I'm crying. Can I have a really controversial take right now that I'm definitely going to regret saying? What if someone's going to put that word on their song? Don't get mad when people quot it. Personally, I don't. Never will, but if you're putting in.

[Clint]

A song, I feel like you're asking.

[Top Lobster]

Me to say it.

[Clint]

Or Al Hiller.

[Top Lobster]

Oh, my God.

[Clint]

That'S weird.

[Top Lobster]

I don't say it because, like, whatever. I mean, people say kike all the.

[Clint]

Time and I'm like, you're allowed to.

[Top Lobster]

Say your own slur.

[David]

That's about it, right?

[Clint]

That's what I can say. I can say gook.

[Top Lobster]

What's that?

[David]

Korean.

[Top Lobster]

Korean.

[David]

Korean.

[Top Lobster]

I'm going to write a song right now called gook.

[David]

Nice.

[Top Lobster]

Go for it. Nice.

[David]

Chris Rock and no one.

[Clint]

No one.

[David]

Better say it.

[Clint]

No one's allowed to sing.

[Top Lobster]

Don't say gook anybody. And appreciate it.

[David]

You know, that's why you're making music is so other people will, you know.

[Clint]

Can I say stuff like, you know, the way they say Nick?

[Top Lobster]

Oh, my God. You just said what?

[David]

Emily?

[Clint]

Say it.

[Top Lobster]

You can say it. I'm definitely not, not kidding around. Like, not that I'm trying to encourage.

[Clint]

You to, but I didn't say the heart. Are that that big of a deal? It's.

[David]

It's just like any other swear word.

[Top Lobster]

We're not names or anything.

[David]

I didn't use a hard R. Said this is dangerous. I'm not condemning these people. I'm not saying that they're bad people. I'm saying that they're dumb.

[Top Lobster]

Okay?

[David]

You haven't figured out that you're being lied to by this machine yet. You're a fucking idiot and I can't help you anymore.

[Clint]

Aliens. Dollar collapse. Demolishing of the deep state just because they've given you, as a conspiracy theorist, everything you've wanted. Don't go on a victory tour just yet and strengthen your relationship with God.

[Top Lobster]

I know that we're almost in World War 3. I just don't care to be. And everything above that is a disrespect to go.

[David]

I'm somebody that thought I could fix this, and I'm starting to think about having to eat my neighbors. The tip of the spear. Toad. He continues to. He continues to move culture. Top. When you used to say the Tower Gang move culture, I used to kind of laugh it off a little bit. No longer. We are absolutely culture.

[Top Lobster]

I think Jose said it correctly. He said that we are drunk. Maybe I said it drunk driving the culture. Like, we're driving culture. But I'm like, no, no. This is drunk driving. It's completely irresponsible. Look at what we've done to your poor boy, Tim. Look at. Look at how we've. Look at what we've done to him, Clint.

[Clint]

He's destroyed, likable.

[Top Lobster]

Made him likable. He can't now. He can't hang out with his Daily Wire friends anymore. I mean, this guy is going to be blackballed. That was beautiful.

[David]

No, you got it. You got it wrong. We have shifted the culture so much that the Daily Wire crowd is not who he wants to be hanging out with anymore.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, I know.

[Clint]

You know what? We always do. I know this about it. We're having so much fun right now. Drunk driving the culture. Simple wants to be friends with us. I know that's what's happening. I know he looks at Toad on that television and he goes, I like this guy. And I think I was wrong about Tower Gang. And I know that's where he sits right now.

[David]

That's right.

[Top Lobster]

Did he call you? Did he call you and tell you that?

[Clint]

He's like, wait, is that true?

[David]

I can make that up if you want. But no.

[Clint]

Toad is in the middle of the. The throes of this virality. Right. I looked this morning. It's like 8.5 million is. Is. I mean, and that's pretty astronomical. And there's a lot of people that are upset and they're taking it very seriously. But what we just watched. What state of mind do you have to be in where you get wrapped up emotionally at that. You look at this man who's almost certainly made of play. D'oh. And you go, this is too far. This is too far. This is where I draw the Line. This has to be stopped. He's getting. He's getting doxed. He's getting death threats, isn't he?

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. I mean, but it's not. Not more than usual. It's for anybody that comes across Toad's profile, they're just like, kill yourself. Like. Yeah, I don't know why I said that to this guy. I just looked at his face.

[Clint]

Well, the way he looks.

[David]

I'm. I mean, I'm thrilled with all of this. I, like, I. I think the only way that this gets any better is if Toad gets fired from his job and then we. We create a fundraising tool and he ends up getting, like a half a million dollars, and then his life is, like, better because he said.

[Clint]

There almost has to be. He looks like the type of guy that is on the radar of, like, the Save the Children Foundation. Like, we should. Once we get this, once he loses his job, we should 100% launch that GoFundMe. And then I. I'd say we can take part over, ownership over it, because it's kind of our idea right here on the show.

[David]

Now I just. I want top to verify for our audience.

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[David]

I did this. Toad was not going to record this. I messaged in the middle of the night three days ago, and I said, toad, it is unforgivable that you haven't already released a cover of this song. And sure enough, 12 hours later, he posts it a day after that. It is insanely viral. Like, all credit to Toad. I'm just saying it was my idea, so I do deserve some of his. His profit from his downfall.

[Clint]

I can confirm that from the outside looking in. Tower gang is often pushing Toad towards his destiny. And Toad's destiny is one of. Of fame and renown and fortune, Hirams of women. I think I made that word up again. This is. This is what Toad is destined for. And he does a lot of resisting.

[David]

There you go. 130 in the morning.

[Top Lobster]

My wife asked me released when. When the song released. She was like, you didn't tell him to do that, right? And I was like, did I tell him to do that? Because I tell him to do a lot of.

[Clint]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

And I was thinking about. I was like, I don't know if it was me. And then I was, like, looking through the chat, but it was just too crazy. But it was Clint, thank God. So when this all comes down on Toad's head, we'll just say Clint did it.

[Clint]

I mean, honestly, though, if it comes down on Toad's head, it's. It's what? What would come down on Toad's head? I mean, obviously, we're in the middle of a cultural shift, right? That. That's what begets this show. I. I think we're doing this because the culture is steering in such a wild direction that we have a lot to say about it. It's not going to a place, I don't think, personally, where Toad is going to be, you know, strung and quartered, executed, hung from a tree. Any of those things. I don't think they're going to happen to Toad at all. I think he's going to be just fine. I think Toad is our sweet little canary in the coal mine where he just flew in and then flew out to bring us the good news. And the good news is it's over. It's our word now.

[David]

Well, maybe. Look, it's not. It's not that I'm concerned about physical violence for Toad. He would enjoy that. What I'm. What I am concerned about is his employer seeing him do that and then firing him. And that's still despite the fact that online culture has shifted dramatically. That does not mean that you will not be fired from your job for that. And by the way, despite the fact that I told Toad to do the song, I did not tell him to throw a Z, Kyle, at the end of it.

[Clint]

No, that was wild on him. He's a gentleman. He's a scholar. He is an alpha predator. That's why he threw the Sig Heil at the end.

[David]

I think. I think the. The really unbelievable part about that video, it's. It's unbelievable in its own right, but the really unbelievable part is the unbelievably deadpan look in his face, like, oh, yeah, there is. There is nothing behind his eyes. And at the end of it, when he throws Ezekiel and then he. And then he shuts off the video, it's like. It's like he's. He's. He's just on. I don't even. I don't even know how to describe it. Like, how. How would you describe it? It's.

[Clint]

You know what? He's on he's on the same shit that I saw on the LP Georgia stage where he sat up on a stool in front of all those other candidates. He kicked his shoes off and then he called all of them losers to their faces. And he didn't even make a face. He didn't even have an inflection in his voice. He stated it as if it was a matter of fact. And that's the same energy that he brought to this performance.

[David]

He hates Jews as much as he hates libertarians.

[Top Lobster]

What's the difference?

[Clint]

There's no difference. There's no difference. Yeah, I don't know where this goes, but I'm wondering if he should be doing I Suck My Cousin's Dick next.

[Top Lobster]

Oh, is that the name of the song? Well, it's like I gave. I think it's called Cousins. But yeah, look, this is, this energy right here. This is big. They them energy. Like big dick energy sitting next to Josh Smith and whoever the fuck that guy is.

[Clint]

That guy right there in a full suit is a guy that owns a porn website, is he not?

[Top Lobster]

Oh, right.

[Clint]

So you have the owner of a porn website in a fucking. In a full suit. He's got a little lapel pin and everything. He's probably got a pocket square. And you have this asshole in a baseball jersey, never played a sport in his life. And he kicks his shoes off and he sits in that stool and he calls them all losers. I mean, it was the most magnificent thing. I rec. I realized in that moment that he is the key to everything. I think. I think the world will be changed and this will be the catalyst is this man right here.

[Top Lobster]

So here's the thing, though. I'm glad you're noticing. I'm glad you noticed at this point.

[David]

But.

[Top Lobster]

But like, this is. I noticed it immediately with Toad and I've gotten into like knock down, drag out fights with him. I've called him on the phone. I'm like, you don't get it, dude. You don't get it. You're right there knocking on the door. But the thing is, is like, I did tell him. Like, I was like, well, okay, this game that we're playing, that we're all playing in a sense. And Clint, I think you realize that you're playing this game as well. Even though you kind of like tried to abstain from it as much as you. As much as you could, you try to be, but now you're kind of like leaning into it.

[David]

Because whether I lean into it and I lean away from it.

[Top Lobster]

Well, the thing is like, you can't do both. I think Tim is realizing that, like, you think that you could oppose the powers that be and still be, still not be, counterculture and in a. No, these things go hand in hand. They're gonna come for you, baby boy. They're coming for you either way. So you might as well go fucking hard, take your shoes off, pick up a ukulele, and call everybody losers, Cole. Everybody losers. And this is. But this is what I was telling to, like, if we're doing Tower Gang, if you're tweeting in this manner, if you're going to be in this circle of, I guess, whatever influences, whatever you want to call us doing this, pushing against the powers that are that have made your life hell. That's why we started Tower Gang, right? That's why you started your show, because of COVID because of the lockdowns, because of what was happening. We were fucking tired of this shit. And when you make that conscious, conscious decision to be tired of it and say, I'm gonna do something about it, this is the way that you're going. This is the path, inevitably that we will all be going down. And when you deviate from that, it's. I don't know, you become the Babylon Bee. You just can't do that.

[David]

You can't stop the revolution. The. The. The reason I say that I lean into it and I lean away from it is that when I'm on a long form podcast, I lean into it because then I get to. I think people get to feel the energy of what I'm doing. When I. When I'm on Twitter, I lean away from it because I don't think that you get to actually sense who I am. And it kind of. It conflicts with the serious messaging that I put out there. So like Tower Gang, I lean in here, I lean in. Liberty Lockdown, lean a little bit away. But, like, I'm still obviously being honest about who I am. But then Twitter, I kind of. I do, I do. I'm more safe on Twitter just because I. I really don't think that you can understand the energy with which I'm discussing these topics.

[Clint]

That's an interesting thing because it's the exact opposite of the approach that I take where even though Nephilim Death Squad seems like an insane person's show, it's information that I care actually very deeply about, and it's topics that I'm fascinated by. When I go to Twitter, I just. I find it a despicable place. There's nothing more than just like, kind of spitting. That's really what. Every time I tweet, it's more like spitting into a crowd.

[Top Lobster]

Hawk tour.

[Clint]

Yeah, that's.

[David]

That's fair. And some people treat. Treat it that way. I think it's just, it's just a difference in approach. I have. I seem to get enough reach that it's like, all right, I, I do want my message to, to be coherent.

[Clint]

Yeah. I might think differently if occasionally Elon Musk was like, retweeting some of the. That. And then I had to tango with the impact of my horrifying words. But I've not had that yet, and I'm sure my reckoning is coming. But I'll tell you what. Go ahead. Go ahead.

[David]

Yeah, I just wanted to say you got to understand, too, I'm followed by congressmen and senators and presidential candidates, and.

[Clint]

Those are the people that need to.

[David]

Hear this and every political commentator under the sun. So, like, I. It's just. It's just a different thing. It's just a different. It's a different energy. I just promise you, if you had, if you had the following that I do, the particular people, I mean, you, you would think a little bit differently about it. That doesn't mean that you wouldn't change it or that you would change it. Maybe you would.

[Clint]

I might, I might. If I, If I felt that kind of pressure, who knows? But pardon my. My dog take. But am I wrong in saying that that was the most fond that I've ever been at the Tim Cast gang in that moment. I mean, I love Cashman, obviously, but in that moment, I had no malice towards them. I recognized them as, as homies having fun. That's what I saw in that moment. I saw homies having fun.

[David]

That was their paywalled segment of Tim Cast iro. It's called Uncensored. So it's the app, it's the after show. So that's probably not meant for wide public consumption. And Tim probably isn't very appreciative that I.

[Clint]

If he knew that, then he should have never put the ultra viral toad on his screen in his paid segment, because obviously that was going to go viral.

[David]

Tim Pool, you forced my hand. You decided to. To you put the, the poison on the tip of the spear and put it in your uncensored segment. So I had to post about it. And look, I think this is. This is the Tim Pool I know. This is the Timpool that that is. He's much more based. He's totally honest. He's funny like that's the side of him that I like. So, you know, if. If it bothers him, I hope it doesn't, because I like that's. I think that's a much more approachable side of his personality.

[Clint]

No, I. I found him endearing. I actually liked him. And then even Phil Labonte, where I was like, was that an A or an R? I don't even know what he drew. And I appreciate that because that was. That was a little chameleon move, right? You kind of slipped that one in there. And it happened so fast that even I was. Well, you see, I consider myself an expert in the word. I didn't know what he said.

[Top Lobster]

You have to have a public opinion and a private opinion if you want to really move and shake with the, you know, the. The highfalutin people in this world. I fucking hate that. Just say what you mean. It's like, maybe I'm stupid. I don't. I think I am kind of stupid because I don't like, shield what I say well enough so people kind of understand my intentions right off the bat. Because it's just what I'm saying.

[David]

You're not stupid.

[Top Lobster]

I just don't like to waste time. I don't. I mean, I guess I am kind of stupid because I could be doing other things, but I. I don't like to waste time, and I feel like you're wasting time, like, slipping around these. I get you have the sensors and all that stuff, but I do like this sort of Tim Pool better. It's, like, a little bit more honest.

[David]

You're not stupid, Top. You're just in a different lane. And by the way, sometimes you are stupid. Like, you posted the fucking UK cover of Toad's Song on our. On our Tower Gang YouTube. And I was like, immediately, within seconds, I said, this is going to get a strike. Like, what are you fucking doing? He leaves it up for six hours.

[Clint]

That is, though. That's that moment in Troy where Achilles is on the horse and he turns to the kid and he goes. That's why no one will remember your name. It's like, in order to.

[David]

If you get struck off YouTube, no one will know your name.

[Clint]

That's right. That's right. You got to take chances, man.

[Top Lobster]

I took a chance. I said, you know what? This is a. This is a big wave. Let's try to ride this. I figured it would stay up for, like, I don't know, a week at least before they struck it. They were like, no, get this out of here immediately.

[Clint]

But it's still quick.

[Top Lobster]

Other people are posting it on Instagram, which I don't understand, and it's fine. It's still up there. Hundreds of thousands of likes.

[David]

So Instagram's a racist cesspool. Apparently. YouTube. YouTube is not so. But yeah, I loved it. And I think that.

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[David]

I think that what's really fascinating, though, is just to have. And by the way, Phil Labonte dropping a hard er. Like, he's so much more racist than me. Like, I never say that.

[Clint]

That was a crazy move. Honestly, I don't like the guy because of what he did with the Dave Smith situation, but that was enough for. For at least the door to crack open. And I went, oh, by the.

[David]

By the way, it. The seconds before they start to play the toad clip, Phil still still talks about us in the most derogatory fashion goes, oh, that's one of those tire King guys.

[Clint]

Unbelievable. Yeah. Oh, it's one of those culture moving, fucking honest all the time ass niggas. That's exactly what it is.

[Top Lobster]

That's why we. We've renamed the spot between your bulls and asshole the Labonte. And that's here to stay.

[Clint]

That's not going anywhere. Talk about changing culture.

[David]

Top. I wanted to talk to you briefly about. I'm. I'm almost done with Birthright. The book.

[Top Lobster]

Okay. Yeah.

[Clint]

Albarino's book.

[David]

Yeah, yeah.

[Clint]

And he's neff pilled.

[David]

Yeah, I am. I am neff pilled. And I'm Book of Enoch pilled more than anything. Wow.

[Clint]

I am. Hold on right now.

[Top Lobster]

What a crazy word to say all together. Yeah, dude.

[David]

But the thing that. The thing that really is blowing my mind. I fell asleep to this. Not a good idea, by the way. I fell asleep to the chapter where he's talking about alien abductions.

[Top Lobster]

That's how you get demons, dog. Yeah, not a good idea. I should have told you about that.

[David]

Yeah, I was like, whoa, this is not a good idea. I'm, like, laying in the dark trying to fall asleep. It took me like an hour to fall asleep because he's just talking about alien abductions. Anyways. I just thought it would be an interesting topic because I've never, I've never. We've never gone here.

[Top Lobster]

Timothy is wrong on alien abductions. We had him on our show, we pressed him on it. And he thinks that they're like. I think he's. He thinks that there are friendly space brothers. This kind of.

[Clint]

In some ways. Yeah, yeah.

[Top Lobster]

And we, we actually had. He wasn't expecting us to give him any pushback on it because people go on and he's like, I'm Indiana Jones and I wrote Indiana Moans.

[Clint]

Thank you.

[Top Lobster]

Indiana Moans.

[Clint]

Thank you very much. Have you ever seen Timothy Alberino, Clint?

[David]

Nah.

[Clint]

He looks cool as. I mean, he looks like a. But he looks cool as at the same time because he looks like.

[Top Lobster]

Described yourself, David.

[Clint]

100%. No, no, no, no, minus the coolest. I don't have the coolest part. It's just all faggot. This guy looks cool. He dresses like he is going, I don't know, like Indiana Jones level spelunking in fucking ancient megalithic sites. It's literally him.

[David]

Well, he does look cool.

[Top Lobster]

How cool is that? Cool. Look at this motherfucker.

[David]

Dude. You know what he's like. He looks like a young Val Kilmer.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, he does, doesn't he? Look, look at the strap. I don't even know if that's a gun, but it looks like his dick goes to like right there. Right.

[David]

He's got a piece on him for sure. But anyways, so he's talking about these alien abductions and I thought it was fascinating because he says that and he, and he speaks with such like definitive. Yeah, he's just like. He's like, yeah. You know, people think that they're demons. They're not. You know, like, I'm like, okay. Then he's like, he's like there. And also, people that are abducted are abducted throughout their lives and it's, it's multi generational. So if you're. You have a family member who's been abducted, like the odds are that you're also going to be. And the reason that you're being is, is like for sure because they are putting babies in you or they're stealing your come and it's like, okay. I, I don't know. It was such a fascinating narrative. I had never heard anyone talk about it with such, you know, confidence.

[Clint]

Well, we hear it all the time. But my, my grandmother. Yeah, this is my, my grandmother was abducted and then I've had abduction experience. I had to have an abductee. Tell me like after the show. I was like, hey, listen, these are the things that happened to me. And she was like, yeah, yeah, that's. That's what happened to you, dog. And I was like, yeah, but it probably doesn't happen anymore. And she's like, all right.

[David]

Just like it happened.

[Clint]

What the.

[David]

He literally says that there. There are people he believes are. And because there's a time warp factor and also a memory block technology. So he thinks that some people have been abducted thousands of times in their life.

[Clint]

Oh, 100%. Yeah. I've talked to people where that is clearly the case. It's a lifetime of abduction situations. Yeah, it's. It's pretty real.

[David]

You imagine, like, every time you go to bed, you're like, am I going to get milked by these.

[Clint]

These people are afraid to go to sleep, dog.

[Top Lobster]

Shameless. Plug the dark side of the alien abduction phenomenon with fringe. This is a Nephilim Death Squad episode. Go over there, subscribe to that channel and watch this episode. This lady is one of those people who has been abducted, like, not throughout her whole life, but, like, I think into her. Her adulthood. It was just like. Actually, no. Throughout her whole life. Right.

[Clint]

Yeah. And her and her husband are police officers. Like, she's. No, you know, she's not just. You're run of the mill psycho.

[David]

I thought that was. That was the interesting part about the book. Book too, is that he was saying a lot of these people are professionals and that basically it jeopardizes their life to even come out and speak about it, which adds to the credence with, you know, with which they're making these claims. And I don't know, I just thought it was really fascinating. So you guys are on board, but you're not on board with them not being demons.

[Clint]

Well, you know why? Because he says that he doesn't believe that they're demons. And it's like, that's just semantics. Because what I believe they are is a biomechanical product that we created at the behest of demons. So in other words, like, demons don't create shit, historically speaking. They whisper psychotic shit into your ear, and then you come up with some sort of invention or piece of artwork or something like that.

[David]

Human created aliens.

[Clint]

Humans? No, no, the Grays, specifically, the small Grays, not the whole pantheon. There's mini Grays, there's Tall Nords, there's insectoids, there's all kinds of different things, but the small Grays that behave like automatons, that have no sexual reproductive organs and that have no emotional range whatsoever. Have been seen on craft, discarded like suits. In other words, non inhabited and piled or even hung up in some situations. So I think what they are is a mechanical drone of sorts that goes off and does sort of the physical.

[Top Lobster]

Handiwork, collecting the sperm, jerking us off.

[Clint]

Yeah.

[David]

By the way, by the way, the way you described it sounds just like toad.

[Clint]

A little automaton.

[Top Lobster]

Great.

[Clint]

Yeah.

[David]

But, but wait, so I, I still don't understand how you're saying that they were created by humans, though.

[Clint]

Oh, I think that we, we were. We create things oftentimes at the behest of these things. So where you can see that most.

[David]

How did we create the little grays? Explain.

[Clint]

Oh, I don't know. It's like, how do we create zero point technology? You asking the wrong person. That's above my pay grade. I don't know how to create an alien.

[David]

Why are you assuming that these little.

[Clint]

Tiny are because of two reasons. Number one is these things can't create. Demonic entities can't create. And number two, the overwhelming amount of anecdotal evidence from testimony involving these things being discarded, even smelling bad, like they're just unclean and they're just sitting there uninhabited. These things seem to only serve an automaton purpose. They don't actually have any sort of. They, they're like the worker bees.

[David]

How is, how does that connect to the human beings creating them?

[Top Lobster]

Let me explain, let me explain a lot, a lot here, because there's, there's a lot that you got. I don't even know where to start with the alien phenomenon with you because you're like brain damage.

[Clint]

It's like trying to talk to like a tall bald baby.

[Top Lobster]

Talk to like a baby about. Yeah, I know. It's like my kids already know more than. All right.

[David]

I'm a tall gray, by the way.

[Top Lobster]

It's all gay. Okay, so the difference that we had in opinion with Timothy Albarino is he says these are not demons or they're not of like a spiritual nature. I think that he's wrong and I think that he's actually coming to see that he is wrong. Where he is correct is because we, we brought up. The point was like, well, how come there's multiple instances where people say the name of Jesus when they're being abducted and the abduction stops on a dime.

[David]

He references that in the book and he says it doesn't work. Doesn't happen.

[Top Lobster]

Not all the time. It does.

[Clint]

Not all the time.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, but it does not happen all the time. Now what he's talking about about this generational iniquity. That is true as well. But if you read in the Bible, they talk about like, yo. Generational iniquity could go up to like seven years. These are like blood curses.

[Clint]

Seven generations.

[Top Lobster]

Seven generations. Yeah. Seven generations. So if your grandmother was involved with this stuff, summoning these entities, it's likely that somebody along her line will also bear this bloodline or this resemblance or carry this sort of like marking where they will come. What was that curse, basically? Yeah, you call it a curse. I think it's more physical. I think it's.

[Clint]

I think it's genetically linked.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, I think it's a. Yeah, I think it's genetically linked, but it can be broken with, like, you know, through spiritual means. But yeah, this stuff follows people through generational iniquity. So that. That lady fringe, her mother was. Her father was fucking. Oh, well, he left. All right, see you later.

[Clint]

Just explain it to me. Like, I don't know.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, well, what was their father involved in? He was involved in, like the OTO or something like that.

[Clint]

I don't get it if her father was a mason or something like that. But I think it was in one of the mystery schools. So. And that's a, That's a. A thing that you see pop up a lot is this mystery school. Oh, my father was a high level freemason or. Yeah, Oto or some like that. Or my granddad was. That's often the case too.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. So. All right, here's Clint's back. So, yeah, this lady fringe, her. Her father was involved in some sort of like, freemasonry. High level. I don't know, Oto. Her mother was involved in like, witchcraft, things like that. And then it's like, so. So she's like, now I'm having this. It's not just like demonic possession, but it's like, it's a poltergeist experiences. She's having abduction experiences. She's. She's having, like, interactions with these things. And she has tried using the name of Jesus to make it stop, but it doesn't stop. She. She claims that this is more physical than spiritual. So there are different ways. And now that gets into. You're asking us, why do you think humans made these things? Because, well, you can be under. You can see a demonic entity like David did. That's a spiritual phenomenon. David used the name of Jesus. This thing went away, stopped on a dime. Because you're dealing in the spirit, in the spirit realm. It's very different when something is in the physical realm. If you tell somebody that is insane. You're like, in the name of Jesus, go away. They laugh at you and they stab you in the heart. Then they take your seat at the track meet. You're like, God damn it. It doesn't work because they're a physical entity. So, yeah, if there is a physical entity inhabited by a spiritual entity, they have more agency in this realm. And we think that that's what's going on with the alien Greys, that these are physical entities, but inhabited by something else, like a drone pilot, something inside of it.

[David]

You're still. Neither of you are explaining how humans created the alien. Even if you're right about the aliens being these little toads that get filled with demons, still, how does that. How did humans.

[Clint]

You're right. It's totally possible that we didn't create them. I just know that demons cannot create. These spiritual entities cannot create. That's why they commission us to create things. Historically speaking, it's like you can find. No, I agree with that.

[David]

I think. I think there's distinct possibility that despite the fact you guys don't believe in nuclear weapons, that nuclear weapons were created by man with, you know, demon possessed energy.

[Clint]

Right, right. Or something like that. But. But I mean. Yeah, in order to make the leap, I. There's like anecdotal evidence by way of interview. Right. So it's like I'm communicating with these people who have had this experience, and I can feel that they want to go in a certain direction with this dialogue. Right. But they're not quite going there. And then if I jump in and I go. It's almost like they're biomechs. Right. And it. It feels like. Because every time you get abducted or. Not every time, but the vast majority of the time, there's people there as well. There's people in military fatigue. There's people in. And I guess you could go on to this idea of like, they're working with them, but what the science working? Yeah. Scientists and robes and shit like that. But what are you working with? If this thing has zero emotional range and is. Is strictly an automaton, doesn't have any actual input, and it's only purpose, it seems, is to just carry out this operation, these order of operations, and then go away. So that's like. To me, that's a. It's far from even a middleman. It's a worker drone. So why would they be in conjunction with the military and with these scientific personnel and these medical personnel? Okay, they're probably serving the exact same Function alongside them, which is automaton drone.

[David]

Okay, well then, then fine. That's not Albarino's case. Was not that they're like, he didn't talk about them being working arm in arm with military officials or anything like that.

[Clint]

So that's a strange thing for him to leave out because that is super consistent. People who are abducted will often describe human beings alongside human beings in military fatigue in, in scientists garb and also in medical fatigues.

[David]

Well, he did, he did describe them being in scientist garb, but those were the, the way he framed it was that those are the insectoids. You know, like the insectoids do seem.

[Clint]

To play like a surgery. Like they're like the, if you had a lead surgeon that seems to be their role most often. But you cannot leave out the consistent appearance of human beings in those encounters that happens.

[David]

He left it out, brother. I mean the only thing, I mean the only thing he did include was that he said that the abductions happen in mass. So like the, the alien spacecraft will be filled with lots of human beings, but they're all being experimented on. They're, they're not, they're not part of the experiment thing. Like they're not in medical garb and you have human beings that are walking around with the aliens doing so I don't know, it's just a different perspective.

[Clint]

Yeah, I mean I, I like Albarino, I like his research a lot. And that point of deviation isn't enough for me to like dismiss any of his work or anything.

[Top Lobster]

I think he's right. I think that all that stuff is happening. But. So what do you think they're, what do you think they're doing with your sperm when they're taking people's sperm or knowledge? Yeah, just tasting it. Just. Yeah, drinking it.

[David]

Seeing what this batch tastes like. Like, oh, why not?

[Clint]

Perfect taste this one's.

[David]

I mean the obvious answer or the obvious logical answer, I should say, whether or not it's true, I don't know, would be that they are, they are. Well, according to Albarino, they're, they're creating these hybrids by which they can infiltrate into humanity and basically manipulate us. I think it's distinct possibility that they're essentially treating us like a petri dish and they're, you know, assisting with evolution. A lot of people have believed that for the longest time that that's, that's how human beings, if you believe in evolution, that they evolve from apes and the reason they did that is because basically alien interference in the evolutionary process and that's why we became so smart.

[Clint]

Does take the Genesis 6 angle and, and you can't. I, I. What I don't understand is how you don't see the similarities and overlaps is the Genesis 6 narrative is, you know, certain percentage of angels rebel against God. They're cast out. They take human wives, they create hybrids. Right. And. And the entire reason that, like God is telling the Israelites to destroy the Amalekites is because they're engaged all kinds of. What's that?

[David]

Because of the watchers and what they.

[Clint]

Did, sort of, kind of. I mean, they're running alongside Nephilim. They have giants in their camps. They're create. They're. They're practicing necromancy and all this, like, cannibalism and all this crazy.

[David]

But that's all, that's all because the watchers started to just. Everything that moved. They were animals. And I mean that they were animals.

[Top Lobster]

Because think about gmo. Like, we have apples that are in apples. We have chickens that are like. If you look at a chicken in the 70s, it was. It was like one third the size of the chickens today. And these are chickens you could fucking buy at rural King and grow. They grow to like bowling balls. So it's like when I look at. I'm like, that's Nephilim.

[David]

Shit.

[Top Lobster]

I saw a mango today. It was like a watermelon. I was like, this is Nephilim. Shit, dog. When they said destroy everything, burn the crops, burn everything, don't take it, even take the virgins. That's what he's talking about is there's a. It's tainted.

[David]

I do. I agree with you though, David, that it is. It is weird.

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[David]

Guy is like kind of rewriting biblical history and the origin story of man and, and the similarities to what he's describing is so almost identical to what he's describing with what he's saying the aliens are doing. And yet he is adamant that they are.

[Clint]

It's strange to him for a while and I talked to him, but he was adamant.

[Top Lobster]

He was adamant with us as well. Guys, go to Nephilim Death Squad. Watch the Timothy Albarino. Do we have that one up still? Do we delete that?

[Clint]

I'm sure we have it up. So still somewhere.

[Top Lobster]

Go watch that.

[Clint]

At least it's on our audio it.

[Top Lobster]

Was almost three hours long, and we were like, kind of arguing back and forth, and at some point, he's just like. He's like, you know what, dude? He's like, there might be. Because, like, we just kept going.

[David]

You know what?

[Clint]

I never thought about that. And I was like, what? What do you mean? I'm thinking about that.

[David]

Yeah, it's. It's very strange to me because this is not my world, as you guys know. I don't. I don't with any of this stuff, but, like, as I'm listening to it, I'm like, it's weird that you're not questioning whether or not these are demons, you know, because the first five hours of your book is just like the same story, but longer ago. But it's all because the aliens, you know, started to everything.

[Clint]

You see it real quick, Ryan, he says. David, wait a second.

[Top Lobster]

M.K. ryan. No, let him. Let him talk. We like M.K.

[Clint]

He says. He also says that much of Genesis is allegory, which is strange, because one of the most fascinating things I picked up from Albarino was the story of the ancient Incas and how they believed that their megalithic structures actually came from a race of giants. And those giants were cannibals, and their overarching head God sent floodwaters to kill them. And I'm like, okay, so that's the same fucking story as Noah's Ark.

[David]

He doesn't say that in the book. He's not saying that they're allegory.

[Clint]

I've heard him say it's like, straight up. Oh, okay. He's not saying it's allegory.

[David]

Okay, okay, maybe. Maybe he's changed his mind. But I'm telling you, I. Like, that was the first time, and this may seem ridiculous, but that was probably the first time that I've ever, after, while I was listening to his book, that I ever considered that perhaps the Bible wasn't allegory. Like, that was the first time I ever considered that was because of Albarino. So for him to say that it is. Is weird.

[Top Lobster]

Well, so he. The part that he thinks his allegory is like. Because he does, but he doesn't. He thinks, like, the flood, right? The. The mythos of the flood. He thinks that it was localized. And his. His theory makes sense where if you had a giant flood in one part of the world, it would be a huge cataclysm for the entire world. The effects of, like, the other side of the world, if you think it's round, would be crazy too. Like, there would be volcanoes going off on the other side of the world, destroying most of humanity. As this side is completely flooded. The agriculture, the. Just everything would be fucked. So most of the people would be dead. I think that when the Bible says the entire Earth was flooded, I think that motherfucker was flooded. I think that's what it is. That's why we have that same story in South America, in China and Japan, in the, you know, in the middle of the. The Earth, like where the Middle east is. It's all the same.

[Clint]

Is now that Graham Hancock and Rand Randall Carlson are doing like their ancient apocalypse series, everybody is now beginning to accept this idea that there was a. Like a worldwide flood. That there is a flood mythos. In cultures that are separated by oceans, that are separated by continents, they all have this flood mythos.

[David]

They also have the younger drives. I mean, 12,000 years ago, there's lots of evidence for this.

[Clint]

So I don't understand why even. It's. It's strange. I. I think Albarino is a great mind and I think he's got a lot to offer, but. And I'm retarded, so it's not like I'm some fucking intellect. But what I'm looking at is like, how come you're not seeing these similarities, this overlap? And when we brought that to his attention, he literally was like, huh, yeah, you know what? That. That might. I hadn't considered that. And that to me was fucking outlandish. I'm like, you had.

[Top Lobster]

I think that it's either go watch. If you watch the episode. Anyone watching. At some point, we're just like, listen, dude. Like. Because he kept on like, referring back to. And I was like, no, that's not. We don't think that because xyz. And after a while, he was just like. I think he just said, you know what? Whatever. Just like.

[Clint]

So we might have just been annoyed with us.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. Which is fine. I was annoyed with him.

[David]

Well, I. Look, I just think he's probably too attractive to be right about everything, you.

[Clint]

Know, I mean, that's the problem. Really pretty makes you fucking overlook things.

[Top Lobster]

So he's got that thing which is like. It's. It's. It's those. It's always there. There's always like a holdout for some people. And not to say that I'm 100% right, but it doesn't make sense to you, right, when you were listening to it, Clint, Right, From. From what you've heard us say.

[David]

And I just. I just said there's the first half of the book seems to conflict pretty dramatically with the second half. Just in. Just in the analysis of the aliens and being so adamant that they are, in fact aliens, they're extraterrestrial life, that there's. There's just zero chance that it's, like, within biblical purview, which I just found fascinating. Like, I didn't. I didn't really think about it that deeply because I don't have a firm opinion on aliens or the Bible, for that matter. So I'm like. I'm coming into this very, like, tabula rasa. I'm like, blank slate here.

[Clint]

You know what is interesting, though, is I've heard him talk at length on Blurry Creatures. It's a really good show. I recommend it if you're into that sort of thing. And Albarino is a pretty regular, you know, guest on that show. And the way he talks about people who speculate as to whether or not there's a connection between aliens and demons, he speaks about them with, like, vitriol. Like, he. He's like, I can't. It annoys me to no end that people think this and that.

[David]

I'm like, it came through in the book. Like, that's what he was saying. It's strange because he's like, there's no evidence for that. He's like, many people think that they're demons. There's no evidence for that.

[Clint]

And he's like, for that to make you mad is weird because we're dealing with a subject that nobody really knows the truth about. So, you know, people are going to speculate. People.

[Top Lobster]

7. He wrote seven chapters before it, saying, like, just outline. And then. And then he even wrote, like, a him and Blurry Creatures, the guys from Blurry Creatures wrote the forward or like, an entire appendix or a compendium to the Book of Enoch. That's what he's making his money off. So I was like, you're talking about a breeding program from Genesis 6 that these fallen angels came down, partook in to the point where it corrupted crops and animals. But then you're saying that there's a breeding program going on with aliens, and it's. There is no comparison. Shut the fuck up, dude. Now, I have to question your connections because I know that you've been in, like, Peru and these other places, and you've had some trouble with the government there. They didn't want to let him in. They didn't want to let him back in because he was there. And they were like, what are you doing? And he's like, I'm investigating whether there were giants that built these megalithic structures. And the government told him, no, you're not going to look at that or we're going to kick you the fuck out. Like, that's. That narrative is not allowed here. They want, they want their places. For whatever reason, they want people to believe that their natives built this stuff. There was nothing weird going on here for tourism. I don't know.

[David]

Forget Albarino. I, what I, what. My thought process while I was listening to the book is that someone ought to put together a new Bible. And I, I know this is probably sacrilegious, but, like, going right to hell.

[Clint]

God, man, he's like, you know what?

[Top Lobster]

You know what?

[Clint]

You know what? I think there's something to this Nephilim thing. I think we should rewrite the Bible.

[David]

Hold on. I'm not, I'm not saying discard the actual, like, the existing Bible. I'm saying, like, someone should put together a compilation of the Apocrypha, the Book of Enoch, and like, like connect the dots that Alberino did, but do it in a way that I can read it for myself. It's just, it's very frustrating that, like, you have the dead, like the Dead Sea Scrolls and all these other, you know, parchments and that are obviously part, should have, or could have been part of the Bible. Like, give me a cohesive narrative because that's what, that's what Albarino essentially set out to do and did with that book. So I don't know, the Bible itself.

[Top Lobster]

The canon Bible, the one that we're presented, it does mention Enoch. It mentions the writings of Enoch, it mentions the book of Jasher, which is another extra canonical text. And then throughout the Old Testament, you'll. You'll find little things here and there, just like saying all kinds of crazy. Like Tony Merkel is stuck on. It's like Ezekiel 13:18, where they're talking about God was displeased with these women that were fashioning wrist. Wristbands, and these wristbands were like, stealing people's souls. Like, what the does that mean? It's just in the Bible. And it's like, anyway, next verse. Like, no, no, no, no. That's important. There's a lot of crazy in there. And it does kind of like, back up.

[David]

You guys believe in the Book of Enoch and all this? So, like, why would you. Why would you. Why would I go to hell for saying maybe the Bible's not complete?

[Clint]

I don't believe in the Book of Enoch. I use it to inform My speculation, which is mostly what I do, is I just speculate heavily. But, you know, for me to believe it, that would, that, that's a little bit, you know, I, I could be swayed on one thing or another if I was shown.

[Top Lobster]

There's like, there's a big problem too with the, the Christian community, which is like, we rail against them, like, well, the church in general, but specifically the community that's called, like, they, they follow something called solo scriptura. And that means only the scriptures, they only read the Scriptures. And it's like, that's kind of stupid because even after the Bible was written, there is a, there's priests, there is saints, there's. What do they call these guys? Bishops? The people within the Eastern Orthodox Church, they all have writings. And I'm like, you're not going to read those writings. You're only going to read the Bible. Like these guys that were hand selected, someone was hand selected by Jesus and then after that that guy hand selected another guy in his stead, and so forth and so forth and so forth until today. And they still live in the Orthodox Church. You don't, you're not interested in what that person had to say about this religion? You're like, no, only, only what? You know, this is, this is, what.

[David]

I'm saying is like, I'm not, I'm not saying you have to discard the Bible. I'm saying it seems like there's a more cohesive narrative that can be generated by, by appending to it some of these other books that have been left out and like, really diving deep into the history and understanding why some of these books were left out and why what was, what was put in and what was left out. Like, like why? What's the answer? And I know there's biblical scholars that have done some of this research, but I just, I just don't feel, I don't feel like I've had that question answered adequately.

[Clint]

Well, I guess the Bible, it's supposed to be the word of God. And then, you know, other things. I don't think there's anything wrong with reading other things. It's, it's very similar to like reading history.

[David]

The Bible is the word of God.

[Clint]

Well, if you listen to the stories, these are people that are having visions that are being shown.

[David]

I know, but the, that's, that's portions of the Bible. So. But the. Who decided what will be in the Bible was men. Yeah, so that means, that means that, that men decided some of the words of God were left out of the out of the Bible.

[Clint]

Right, right, right. But that's like, if I, if you told me a bunch of. And then I wrote it down and I was like, these are the words of Clint. And they were like, you wrote it down? I'm like, yeah, but he fucking told me, dog. Like these, Clint told me these things.

[Top Lobster]

Well, no, but what he's saying is, so the Bible, Bible just means like a compendium of books. So these are all separate books.

[David]

So.

[Clint]

Right.

[Top Lobster]

The question is, who decided to put these books and present them in this entire book as this is what we study now? That's a good question. But I know the Bible speaks a bunch of times about saying, like, the word will be. The word of God will be unchanged. Well, it is. It's changed. There's like, there's like 100 and changed.

[David]

Hello.

[Top Lobster]

There's 130 translations of it, dude. And then in the, in the very end, in the book of Revelation, it says, anybody who adds to this or takes away to this book. I don't know if they're talking about just Revelation either, probably, but maybe even the Bible itself, there's like, yo, there's a huge curse. Don't do that. And people do this all the time.

[David]

Bible. I mean, there's been modifications up into, you know, recent history. So this, this is my question of it is like, I'm not, I. This is the first time I've even given any sort of real credence to the Bible at all. So, like, forgive me for still having a semblance of doubt with some of this stuff. But I'm, I'm just saying if you buy that, that these stories are, you know, men touched by God, men walking with God. If you actually buy all of that. Well, there are other stories from other men who are acknowledged in the existing canon Bible that had relationships and had other books that were written that are. Could be the word of God too. And they're not there. They're not in the Bible.

[Clint]

So before I was ever Christian, I had very much the same idea. Right. And then what happened was I just started to learn it. Like, I learned about the Bible, I learned about the stories that are in it. I'm still, I can't read it because I'm retarded. I'm watching the Amazon series and we're constantly doing deep dives on it. And I'm trying. I listen to the audio book, which is, you know, pathetic because I can't read. But the more I listen to it, the more ways it like, clarifies the existence that we're in right now, and I see the way it applies, and I go, okay, yeah, that makes sense. So eventually, what you're left with is a pile of that feeling where over and over again you come across something and you go, that makes a lot of sense. I understand now. And that happens so much that you're left with. It's a. I guess you could call it anecdotal evidence. But at what point does anecdotal evidence pile up enough to become concrete evidence? You know, it's. It's kind of that game. So I would say don't believe that the Bible is the word of God. If you've never read it, fucking start reading it, start learning about it, go through it, and you'll find over and over again that it connects in such a wild way and that the. The version that we've been given in the west, that this, like, Christianity is gay and it's just this mechanism to control people. Like, that works really well. I understand human nature. I understand that you would use a book that is powerful, has a powerful message, you can control people with it. But when you start to understand it, you're like, this is so far beyond that. It's far beyond just a control tool that's effective at, you know, manipulating the masses or any of that. I would say don't ever go, oh, yeah, the. The Bible is the word of God. Learn it and then make, you know, make your own mind up after you're done. Because the more I go, like, I know. I don't know. I've only been on this for, like, four years, and there's still so much more that I have to learn. But the reason that I'm still learning is it because it just keeps confirming. Like, if it ever didn't, I would stop and turn back and go somewhere I went the wrong way. But it's not done that yet.

[Top Lobster]

That was nice. That was a nice. Silence.

[Clint]

Nice. That was nice. That was hard for me to do.

[Top Lobster]

I like it. Well, I mean, listen, somebody.

[Clint]

Can we move on to other aliens?

[Top Lobster]

Wait, but let me have them just tell them. Let me just tell Clint. Somebody just said that. Yeah. So there is the Ethiopian Bible, which does include that in the canon. But it's crazy because when you read the Bible, the entire Bible itself. Well, the Bible that we have stands up enough for people to read it and get it. There are these extra texts that I think they bolster the stance of the Bible. I don't think that they take away from it. So you can Go and read these things. Why they're not included to begin with, I have no idea. I wasn't there when they did that.

[David]

But see, that's a very important question, though, because I. I mean, it's obvious to me that there are forces within, you know, standardized Christianity and religion more broadly that, like, they want it to be an institutionalized practice and they want there to be authority figures and blah, blah, blah. And it's like, well, maybe the books that were left out took away some of their power, took away some of the power of man. And it's like, so I don't, I don't accept just, oh, this is the canon Bible, and therefore all this other is nonsense. Like, from my vantage point, the Ethiopian Bible sounds far more likely to be true and more interesting to me than the standard Americanized one or whatever you want to call it. So I don't know. I. I'll do. I'm gonna do more research on it because I, I just think it was like the first time I ever poked my head down the rabbit hole and I was like, oh, this is actually interesting. Like, this is very interesting, genuinely interesting. And, and by the way, if you're saying that the Bible aligns with what you're saying today, well, the Book of Enoch ought to too. And like, like, that was what I took away from. It was like, oh, yeah, I can, I can understand, based off of the Book of Enoch, why God would send the flood.

[Clint]

You know, the Book of Enoch's like, opening sentences like, this is for the tribulation generation, which is like, oh, founded in what, like 40 something or. Or 50 something, supposedly, when they found.

[David]

The Dead Sea, wasn't it found in Ethiopia?

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[Clint]

Expedia made to travel might have been found in Ethiopia. I don't know. I don't know.

[Top Lobster]

I think near Ethiopia. It's funny, all these things, like the things that we like to talk about on Nephilim. Deskwad. Even here, to certain points, like right around the 1950s, 47, you get like, you know, the finding of this, of this book, or the Dead Sea Scrolls.

[David]

Right after the new dropped.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. Yes. Yeah. You get the Roswell era, You get the founding of Israel in 47, you get the Project MK Ultra. You get all this shit. The Nazis coming to America. This all pops off right in that time frame, give or take five or five years on 1950. So from like, right after World War II, all this stuff happens. And like, boom, here's. Here's this book that. That adds to the Bible that kind of confirms everything you've been thinking about. Genesis 6 and Genesis 3:15 is like, well, here's a book from. From Enoch. And he's telling you about this experience that he had talking to God. Like, Enoch is going up and he's talking to God and he's actually like, he's trying to make the case for the angels. And God's like, no, it's just not going to happen. And then. And then he sends angels for. With Enoch to guide him, to tell him, like, this is what's going on in the afterlife. This is their punishment. Now go and tell them. That's the entire book. Like, that's what. At least Enoch1. That's what they're talking about. So it's just. It's interesting that this time period happens and we just get bombarded with all this stuff. So it's like, why was it excluded? I guess we could, you know, you could ask those questions. Maybe we didn't need that. Maybe we need that.

[Clint]

Somebody in the chat say, I think it was hipster tactical, said that. I don't know if this is true, but it was removed. King James Version originally had it. It was removed after King James did his book on demonology. So I don't know, maybe there was a. A conflict there. I don't. I don't know. But it is a fascinating book.

[Top Lobster]

There's also something to say about the King's James. King James Version is that a lot of people speculate that King James was into demonology. And that book is the most accurate translation from the Greek and the Hebrew, the Hebrew being the Old Testament, Greek being the New Testament. And he. He made it that way, paid a lot of money to make it as accurate as possible, to make his spells as accurate as possible. Because these people that practice these dark arts, they study the Bible, they. They study it profoundly. I mean, they're really paying attention. So that. That's why it's the closest version. But there's. There's something to it, man. There's a lot of crazy stuff going on.

[Clint]

Well, we just beat the out of this for 30 minutes. It just became Nephilim Death Squad.

[Top Lobster]

I'm.

[Clint]

I'm very excited for Clint's arc. I don't know if you know this Clint, but oftentimes Top and I will talk behind the scenes like he's this close, dude. He's this close. If we could just get him, just cut just a little bit further and he's right in. We got him, man. And it's really nice to watch getting this close.

[David]

Yeah. I hate to break it to you, but I'm, I'm likely going to end up being one of those weird religious people who's like, I, I, this is how I've, I've always been, I've, I've always felt that there's a lot of truth in a lot of different religions. And I've always, I've always found kind of a kinship with the Buddhists, too. So, like, I, I, I don't, I don't predict that I will ever be like, this crisis king type of person. Maybe I will, I don't know. But I am very, I'm, I'm giving much more deep thought to, like, the biblical story and the creation of man. I thought his challenging of evolution was fascinating, too. Alvarez Challenging of it. And I don't know, I just, like, I'm in pursuit of truth. So if that leads you and I.

[Clint]

Had this conversation six years ago, and you said, oh, what do you think about Christianity? I might have said something to you like, well, it's fascinating, but there's a lot of religions around the world, and what makes them think that they've got it right? I would have said something like that.

[Top Lobster]

Let me give, let me give Clint my, this, here's the fair warning, Clint, because I, I understand what you're saying, and I'm the same way. The Book of Enoch, these kind of like, not just apocryphal texts, but like this, like, idea that we're delving into of giants, demons, all this stuff. Some people need this. Like, I think that's why people like Nephilim Death Squad, they watch and they go. It drew me closer to God. And it's, it's a good thing because they're seeing this stuff and they're, they're trying to rediscover their relationship with, with God, with Jesus, with Christianity, trying to, like, relook at it from a different lens. But somebody came on our show and they told us that, oh, I think it was Vin Armani, he was talking about Doubting Peter. You know, that, that apostle in the story of Doubting Peter, Doubting Thomas. Sorry, why they called him that?

[David]

Yeah, yeah, well, I've heard it before, but I don't remember.

[Top Lobster]

So Doubting Thomas after Jesus is, has been killed and he comes back to life, all the other apostles see him including, like, Mary Magdalene. A couple other people see him and.

[David]

They tell Thomas didn't believe it.

[Top Lobster]

And they're like, he was the last.

[David]

One out and asked Thomas.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, well, he was, because he was out. So, like, these guys went underground because they just killed Jesus and, like, got real. They were trying to kill everybody. So he went out probably to retrieve food. Food or something like that. He comes back, and they're like, yo, Jesus is back. And he says, I'm not gonna believe it until I can put my fingers in the wounds of his hands. And then Jesus comes back and he says, go ahead, put your fingers in there. And he does it. And then Jesus says something like, blessed are those who believe without seeing. And it's like, yeah, blessed are those who believe without seeing. It's like, if you could read the Bible or if you could just hear somebody preach a regular old gospel message and say, yep, that's the truth. I believe. It's, like, good for you. But the people who don't, it's not that they're not blessed like me. Like, I have to. I need faith by reason. I need to be able to see this. But Vin Armani said it's something, and it's very true. It's like, well, now that you saw this, you're going to have to carry this the furthest, because you're going to. If you're looking for that kind of definitive proof. You know, Thomas had to carry the gospel to the ends of the earth and then got martyred for it.

[David]

I think that's a great point. I. I really do, because just be careful.

[Top Lobster]

Be careful what you want, Clint. I would just say, like, I'm fine with.

[David]

I'm fine with that. Because, like, my entire, you know, political arc, too, is about seeking. Seeking the truth and then carrying that cross with me. And so I don't have any problem with that, actually. You know, it's like. It's painful to know, you know, what our empire has created in the death and destruction and all that. But, like, do I run away from it once I know these things?

[Clint]

No.

[David]

So I. As far as I'm concerned, like, Christ, God, show me. Show me the way. Show me the truth. Prove to me your existence. Prove me, and I will be. I will be your strongest soldier at that point. But, like, I am the. I am the person that needs proof, though.

[Top Lobster]

I'm the same way. I'm just. I'm just warning you because, like, when you do get that, like. Like he said, when. When I'm giving this to you, if if you're going to get this kind of proof, if you're going to get this without, without just believing, without just simple faith.

[David]

Faith, yeah.

[Top Lobster]

There's a lot more that comes with it. There's a responsibility.

[David]

I agree, I agree.

[Clint]

Yeah, it happened to me, right. I had this demonic encounter. I was forced to call on Jesus Christ out of desperation. Now my full time gig is a show that's dedicated towards understanding the truth about our realm, the supernatural realm, Christianity, conspiracy theory, all that stuff. Like, it's my full time.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Clint]

And I'm happy to do it, you know, but I guess I'm a. I needed, I needed something and. And then God was like, here's a greasy demon.

[Top Lobster]

And like I, I would hope, I would hope that, like, you know, with your kids. Let's. We'll move on to a different topic in a second. But like with your kids, you, you want to tell them something. Like, you want to be like, hey, listen, the fire is hot, don't touch it, it'll burn you. And you hope that they go, okay, I understand the concept of hot, I understand fire, and I'm going to take your word for it. But oftentimes they got to learn from themselves. And when they learn, there's a hefty fine to pay for that and they're going to have to carry that experience a little bit further. It's the same thing with anything in life.

[David]

But that lesson sticks with them too, and they won't make again. So.

[Top Lobster]

And they're usually the strongest advocates for it and they're usually the ones who can convince other people to not. Do not make that same mistake or perhaps carry this in a different. Who knows, who knows what you're supposed to really do. I'm just warning you that, yeah, you're looking at it now. You're looking directly into this, this question and it'll be answered for you.

[Clint]

Well, look, we got here by way of discussion about aliens, I guess, right? More or less. I mean, it was the Albarino and are aliens demons things? We have a different type of alien. And I have this clip here, this is from Donald Trump recently. Here, let's bring this up. Boom. Oh, actually, you have to bring it up top. So this is Donald Trump and he's talking about. I guess we talked a little bit about the show before the show started. The deportations must not be working in the way that he wanted to. And so this is his sort of solution. And I'm a fan of it. I'm gonna let it play though.

[E]

Today I signed an executive order to launch the first ever self deportation program for illegal aliens. We are making it as easy as possible for illegal aliens to leave America. Any illegal alien can simply show up at an airport and receive a free flight out of our country. We have also launched a phone app called CBP Home. That's CBP Home, where illegals can book a free flight to any foreign country. As long as it's not here, you can go anywhere you want. We're also adding a very important exit bonus for illegals to further incentivize their self deportation. This deportation bonus will save American taxpayers billions and billions of dollars. What Biden did to this country can never be explained, will never, ever be accepted. Eventually, when the illegals are gone, it will save us trillions of dollars. However, if illegal aliens choose to remain in America, they're remaining illegally and they will face severe consequences. Illegal aliens who stay in America face punishments, including significant jail time, enormous financial penalties, confiscation of all property, garnishment of all wages, imprisonment and incarceration, and sudden deportation in a place and manner solely of our discretion. So to all illegal aliens, book your free flight right now. We want you out of America, but if you're really good, we're going to try and help you get back in. Thank you. Today I.

[David]

If you're really good, if you behave.

[Top Lobster]

Good, I feel like that's fair. And it's a, I don't know, it's. It's a little bit of a sign of weakness. Right. Where his ICE deportations are not moving as quickly as he would like to. I know that there was some displeasure with that stuff early on in the administration where they started off hot and it kind of rolls off a cliff. It's expensive, it's dangerous. You're getting a lot of states, the.

[David]

Courts are slowing it down brutally. So this is like, this is the only choice. This is the only option really, aside from creating a genuine constitutional crisis. And so I think this is probably the smartest pathway forward, honestly.

[Top Lobster]

Is this libertarian? Would you say it's voluntary?

[David]

Yeah, I mean, it depends. It's not voluntary because it's taking my tax money. It's giving it to illegals who shouldn't have been here in the first place, who were also. Their trek was funded with my tax money on the first place. So I'm getting from both sides. So no, it's not libertarian. But in terms of, you know, diminishing state violence against the illegals. Yeah, I mean, if you can get them to leave voluntarily, that's preferable as long as it could be done, you know, with minimal taxation, essentially.

[Clint]

My wife was watching a TikTok, and it's this girl, she's crying about how one of these facilities where they're holding these. These aliens, they're completely over, you know, over, over. What's the word? They're past their capacity, you know, whatever the building was designed for, their way beyond that, people are sleeping on the floors, people are pissing on the floors and all this stuff. I don't know how. How real any of that is, but she's talking about what a humanitarian crisis this is and that shame on everybody who voted for Trump, because look at the sad situation that we're in. And to me, it seems pretty, pretty straightforward, that the country was never designed to house this many migrants and then to relocate this many migrants. And because of that, no shit, when we're finally forced to do it, it's going to be a messy fucking situation. But we should have never been here in the first place because we shouldn't have had these people flooding in unmitigated. In fact, the reason that we got here is in part because you emotionally manipulated primarily female voters, I think, with this notion that children are getting ripped away from their parents and they're being held in cages. And to whatever degree that happened, I'm sure it did, but it is a emotional crowbar in very many ways, and I think it's what kind of helped pass the legislation that enabled this whole situation. So what I'm getting at is it's a fucking mess, and cleaning it up is going to be just as messy. Am I wrong in that assumption? Are we dealing with unprecedented numbers of migrants, and do we have the ability to seamlessly get rid of those migrants without this mess?

[David]

The answer is yes, and the answer is no. So, yes, it was done intentionally, and no, there's no way to remedy it without, you know, human rights violations or whatever you want to call it, or violation of constitutional protections or violations of due process. It's impossible to fix this. The Democrats created this dynamic specifically because it would be impossible to fix without creating constitutional crisis and violations of due process. They did so because they intended to ultimately grant these people asylum and then citizenship and then voting rights, and some of them are allowed to vote even without citizenship. So this is all an op. So this is why I think libertarians that start to argue about this stuff sound naive as they really do, because it's like it's. If you don't. If you don't take a stand here, your Electorate is modified in perpetuity to the point that liberty libertarian ideas will be obliterated in your lifetime. So you have to take a stand. And the alternative is revolution. So you get to choose between revolution, which is extraordinary violence and danger and everything else that's negative that comes along with that, or you allow for the Trump administration to do this while they can. Take your, take your pick. There is no fucking perfect answer here. Sorry.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, oftentimes libertarians will. That's why, like, the ideology is an ideology. They think that things are going to end up like, just black and white, that they can do something and there won't be any kind of negative effects of it. But it's like, yeah, it's going to be messy either way, so which kind of mess do you want? And I don't think you want the bullets flying over your head.

[David]

Yeah. And, you know, I know, including me, libertarians don't believe in democracy and they believe it's tyranny of the majority. And it's like, okay, that's all fine, but if the majority is manipulated intentionally to be more detrimental to you and yours and your principles and your values, then should you not take a stand? Should you not do whatever you can to prevent that? Should. Like this is the Lysander Spooner argument of, you know, voting being defensive because you're being aggressed upon. Therefore, it's, there's nothing wrong with voting because it's, you've been aggressed upon. It's. It's a defensive mechanism. I think that's what this is. And, you know, I, I think that's probably what Dave Smith is going to argue in his debate next week. He's arguing with, I don't know, some dude at the soho forum about immigration. He's like the reason or Cato, specialist on open borders. And I think Dave's gonna win that debate because I'm right and so is he. You know, you can't, you can't have open borders in a, in a welfare state. It's just insane.

[Clint]

Well, I saw.

[Top Lobster]

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[Clint]

David, I was just gonna say that I saw one of your people, Clint, and I, I'm certain you claim him post something incredibly gay. And he, he's a libertarian account and he's somebody that. I forget exactly who it is, but I, I knew them enough that I had. I like them as far as you like somebody on Twitter, so I left him alone. But the meme was. Is an individual standing on one side of the border and it says legal. And then the individual standing on the other side of the border and it says illegal. Right. And I'm like, I get that, I get the emotional aspect of that. I get the. Who gave you the authority to divvy up the world and tell me that I can't. I get it. Right. But it's very childish when you're dealing with a situation where the economy is about to collapse, we're on the cusp of World War 3 and we have a migrant crisis. And, and is the answer then, because of the way that meme depicts it, to just eliminate borders? Like we should just eliminate. Yeah, you're right, dude. We should just open them up and just let everybody come through. Like that's a good idea. Right. And that's the solution to that, that meme that he posted. And I get, you can get down into like the nuance of it. Maybe you can pose some sort of argument about, you know, borders being man made and whatever, Whatever. But right now where we're sitting, we've got a real problem. Children are getting stabbed in, in public in Europe because of the same situation, this migrant crisis that they've got going on. And I'm sure there's instances where you can see wild happening here. I mean, we did just watch a. I think he was a Somalian migrant, right? With that woman who, who dropped an N bomb and, and he tried to shame her. And then turns out that he is a Somalian migrant with some sort of a history of sexual abuse. I remember that there was a case where I think there was an underage girl that they were trying to solicit for sex, him and his buddy or something like that. And so he's got this on his sheet. So it, it is a problem that we have all this going on. It's kind of, I mean, I'm not political. I'm kind of appealing to you guys to get your take on it. You, what's the solution to that argument? Eliminate the borders?

[David]

Yeah, I mean, that's the argument from the libertarian perspective. And I think that, you know, there are principled arguments to be had as to the illegitimacy of the state, the illegitimacy of, you know, man made borders. Yes, borders are drawn by men. There's no, there's no arguing against that. But it doesn't change the fact. The reality that, like, and I think this is where libertarian, libertarianism fails in many regards is that there are, if you don't have reciprocity, then it just kind of implodes upon itself. So here's the truth. You can't travel and then just go live in whatever country around the world that you want to. But you're going to apply that principle on the inverse where anybody, all 7 billion of you, you're welcome to come into America and just be an American. Okay? I don't know how you could ever argue that that's sustainable. Like if I don't, if I don't have a right to leave if things get bad enough, because I don't, I don't have a right to go. Just become a citizen of El Salvador with a snap of a finger, you know, like that's not how it works. So you're creating a dynamic by which you destroy yourself. That's the truth. And it's the same thing with free trade. I believe in free trade. I think capitalism is the greatest blessing in terms of economics that man has ever, you know, concocted and that it, it ought to be upheld as best as possible. But if you don't have reciprocity when it comes to free trade, you're ultimately going to pilfer your own civilization to a certain extent. And that's just obviously true. And a good example, a good analogy to explain this to people is like Amazon. So Amazon got a lot of cheap debt and they ultimately functioned at a loss or at a break even for the first like 20 years of their existence. They never took profit and they just kept taking all of their profit and just pushing it into getting larger and larger economies of scale by which they devoured every mom and pop business across the country. Well, China or the EU or whatever country out there could do the same because they have access to the printing press. So they could basically just create currency, put produce goods super cheap, flood your market, destroy your domestic economy. And then once they've done that, then they jack their prices up and there's no competition because you've already destroyed your industry. And that's like, okay. And then simultaneously while they're doing that, they're applying tariffs to your goods. So if you want to sell them to the rest of the world, you can't compete. And they're artificially suppressing their labor and their production costs because they're borrowing money and they're printing money to, to do so. So like, what I'm saying is, yes, free markets are better, but you're not dealing in one, okay? This is not a fucking free market. You're dealing with fiat currency and a whole bunch of manipulation and taxation and regulations. And it's just, it's very complex and you have to be honest about the complexity. You can't just say free market. Good. That's all there is to it. There's a lot, there's a lot to discuss with these issues, man.

[Top Lobster]

Even China was even doing not just in the like the economic sector, but like the real estate sector when I was in New York. I'm pretty sure they're still doing this. They're just giving interest free loans, like hundred year interest free loans to people who were Chinese nationals or maybe still were, and they would just go and buy houses, they live in them with like fucking three generations of families and pay off an interest free loan at like, I don't even know. They're paying like 500amonth. But basically the Chinese government owns that outright. So there's parts of, you know, Brooklyn that are just being brought up by Chinese people. And you're wondering like, what the hell's going on? Or why are they, they love to come and put these like aluminum metal gates on their windows and like, you know, the Chinese people live there because they'll change the bars on their steps to shiny chrome aluminum. It's like, why is this happening? Why are they buying up farmland in Texas? And, and I know Texas is either they pass a law, they're working on one where they're saying that, you know, Chinese, the Chinese government is not allowed to purchase land here anymore. And that's basically what it is. If you have a Chinese government loan, if you have, if you have a loan from the Chinese government, they have effectively bought this house even though it's privately owned. It's very sneaky. Like they, it's like they're operating in the free market, but not really. And we're supposed to play this game, but not really. It's like, no, yeah, yeah.

[David]

It's like they expect us to basically play by our rules and hold us to our principles while they do none of that. Like, they don't respect ip, they have tariffs on our goods and, and then yet when we try and put tariffs back in a reciprocal fashion, they Scream bloody murder, murder. And they say tariffs only hurt you. And, you know, and, and trade wars hurt everybody. And let's not have a trade war. It's like, well, then why were you tariffing us before, huh? How about you answer that?

[Top Lobster]

But, but that same thing that we run into, David, all the time now with people who, they do this all the time. This dude, like, open Satanist or just like, horrible person, like, probably a pedophile. And they'll say some wild shit to us, and I'll be like, hey, you know, blow me. And they go, oh, my gosh, you're supposed to be a Christian. You're not supposed to. So it's the same thing. It's like I'm supposed to follow your ideals while you just completely tread on me. And I have to then, you know, be tame. I have to turn the other cheek. I'm like, no, but they, and then they can't deal with it when you, when you just respond in time.

[David]

Which is why I think that the, the obvious answer is that you need to treat other nations the way they treat us. And unfortunately, the Trump administration has not done that either. That's what he campaigned on, but that's not what he's done. He is. He has dictated his tariff policies based off of trade deficits. That's an absurdity. That's moronic. It's super stupid. It's not how any economists would argue that you do this. So I think that the answer ought to be, hey, we don't like the fact that you're putting tariffs on our products. Therefore, we're going to mirror whatever you do, and if you drop it to zero, we drop it to zero. Like, I think that's the obvious answer, because that actually gets you closer to the libertarian ideal of, hey, we don't want there to be tariffs, because tariffs are taxes, and there, there, therefore, they're an impediment in the free market. We want to open up the global marketplace. We want to have as little barriers as possible. That is the obvious answer to me. So that's where I fell on it. That's been my argument for months now. A lot of libertarians are mad with me about it, mad at me about it. I don't care. I think I'm right, but I'm open to, you know, discussions.

[Clint]

We were talking about this, you know, the, the whole open border concept. And the first thought to that came to my mind was, well, if I was a country that, you know, was our competitor on the world stage of Russia or China, I would take that as an opportunity to just load insurgents into the country. Right. Like sleeper agents, More or less, if you have an open border issue like that or a porous border issue. And I know there's been stories of that happening, but I remembered and I can't seem to find it. And I don't know if I'm misremembering it, but wasn't there a time, not long ago, maybe like two, three years ago, where they were shutting down Chinese police stations in America? We were finding like, like militarized police, I don't know what you would call them, I guess, stations from Chinese insurgents around America. And we shut them down. I mean, I found something of an article from the Hill as a crackdown on illegal Chinese police stations in the US and that was back.

[Top Lobster]

Chinese police stations.

[Clint]

Yeah. I remember this going around like it was more so in the conspiracy circles.

[David]

No, it's a true story.

[Clint]

That was true.

[David]

Yeah.

[Clint]

So.

[David]

And there's also, there's also lots of, you know, Chinese spies that are in academia. They're in our. Oh yeah, our laboratories, in our corporate America. They're constantly, you know, stealing information.

[Top Lobster]

They're banging our politicians. That's like, it's not a surprise.

[David]

Yeah.

[Clint]

I don't know, it's just strange to me that you could make that argument seriously, that you could be a libertarian or what the fuck ever, and try to make a real argument for open borders. Because the only argument that I can see is one that obviously falls apart immediately, and that's the emotional one, which is, you know, the plight of the people and the families and such.

[David]

Yeah, I know. I mean, I think that it's. It's fine to make the principled argument that, that the state is illegitimate and therefore I should be able to go wherever I want. Therefore people can go wherever they want. You can make that argument. But that doesn't change the dynamics. Okay. And that's where I'm at. I'm just, I, you know, I get. I get accused of consequential, Consequentialist reasoning oftentimes when it comes to my libertarian outlook. Guilty as charged. I believe that if your principles don't lead to a consequence, a reality that is beneficial to your principles, well, then you're probably doing something wrong. You're not playing the game properly. Is, is kind of how I, I look at it. And I think a lot of libertarians don't play the game properly. For instance, most libertarians that believe that racism and sexism and homophobia is a plight upon American civilization In modern times, they're also the first ones that'll talk about open borders. They love the idea of open borders. Well, you'd have to totally disregard human nature and tribalism and how people actually respond to population shifts and rapid secession to think that having open borders is not going to lead to more racism. You absolute fucking imbecile.

[Clint]

I grew up in a town called. In New Jersey called Carteret. And somewhere just after 911 we were inundated with a lot of Indian people, which are not the people that, you know, we alleged committed, you know, the atrocities of 9 11. But they were received very much the same way because similar look and smell and sound and things like that. And so our town went from being predominantly black to predominantly Indian in, I don't know, maybe like three to four years. So it all happened so lateral move. To me, it was fucking insane. And yeah, you're absolutely right. The response to that was overt racism. I mean, from fucking. From, you know, the parents all the way down to the children. I was in elementary school just dunking on Indian kids.

[Top Lobster]

That happened with the Jews and the blacks in, in New York. I was. And I was very young when that happened. But they were like race riots going on, I think. Yeah, you know, well, the Jews had their own ambulance and somebody. Somebody hit a black kid with a car and another kid was involved. They took the Jewish kid, left the black kid, and it was just like all bets were off. But it happened so suddenly. Like the way that. The way the demographics shift. Like from Coney island, it used to be like all white and then it was like all Jewish and then it was all Italian and then the Spanish and blacks moved in and then it was the Chinese. No, Then it was the Russians and now it's the Chinese and. And it's just like this constant pushing out of. And it creates such calamity in the, in the, in the population that it's like this can't be good or natural. And it's. And it's not that these people are moving in and mixing with each other. Everyone's moving, moving in and, and solidifying.

[Clint]

And the other ones are moving out.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, it's. But where are you going to put these people? Like, the white people have been moved. If the Sokoni island was the tip of the peninsula at the very bottom here, they move up to like, Gravesend and then they go to Bay Ridge and then they have to go across the water, the bridge, and they go to Staten island. And now they're being pushed out of There now they're in Jersey. That's where, like, Dave Smith is, because they, they've been pushed out that far. Two fucking land masses, two bodies of water they've had to cross. And I'm not saying, like white people should be staying there, but maybe they, maybe they should. I don't know who was there first, but the fact is, like, well, where are they going to go next? You're going to move more people into Jersey, into their spot in Jersey, and then they're going to end up in, you know, they go to Florida, they go to North Carolina. It's like, this is not sustainable. You can't keep doing this. But it's fun to do if you're a power elite. Like, keep playing with the demographics, keep playing with the population, Move them around, let them hate each other and give them crazy news and fucking, you know, this is, this is America. This is how it's going to go.

[David]

And when they, and when they explode, then we'll take more power and then we'll, then we'll create domestic terrorism laws and then we'll lock up all the people that don't like what's going on. Look, I'm not, I'm not predicting this. I'm telling you what's happening in Europe right now. That's what's happening. The domestic population is going to. Hey, I don't like this. And like in Germany, for instance, and they're just banning their political party. They're just saying you can't exist. Just your ideas. The fact that you don't want open borders makes you a terrorist. Ok, Deal with that. So that's where we're headed. And if you think that that's better than having a closed border, I think you're fucking an idiot. Like, you just.

[Clint]

You're only allowed to have those ideas if, if everything is comfy, cozy, you know what I mean?

[David]

We're.

[Clint]

We're entering not so comfy, cozy times right now. But Carteret, that place that I grew up in, was originally Polish. It was predominantly Polish. And, and so was Elizabeth, New Jersey, when I, when I was living there. And it got to the point where after it was Polish, predominantly black, after the Indians came predominantly Indian, I think it still remains that way to this day. And it all. I remember it kind of came to a head. The Indians adapted. So, you know, it was predominantly a black neighborhood. And we're talking the height. In my opinion, the height of hip hop was the early 2000s, but I guess I'm biased. So as far as I'M concerned during the height of hip hop, the black people are not only ruling the, the overwhelming demographic, but they're also ruling the cultural conversation. So when the Indians show up, they're all like fresh off the boat, you know, turbines. There's a bunch of them per household. They, they are still practicing all their religious beliefs pretty openly. And in about a year's time, all of their kids shifted from being, you know, turban wearing Indian migrants to like hip hop music video dudes. Like all of them look like thugs. And they took that to the extent when, you know, there's a lot of contention between the black community and the Indian community. And one day it comes to a head when a. When Indian kid steals a black kid's chain. And my school was up, they didn't care what happened to the kids at all. One day a bunch of that kid's brothers and even people that were way older didn't go to school anymore. They were older than, than high school all showed up. They just walked into the school. Nothing fudgeing happens. When you walk into that school, you could walk in or out at any time and they go into the lunchroom and they take that kid, they take him to a clothes or an empty classroom and they beat the fucking brakes off of them and they leave them there for dead. The kid goes into a coma. Like an actual, like slips into a coma and this becomes like the ignition for a race war. One day I'm sitting on the school bus waiting to go back home and all of a sudden I see in the distance a shit ton of Indian people of all ages. We're talking the kids from fucking middle school all the way to people that were out of high school. And on the other side, down the street, all the fucking black kids, black kids, black adults, uncles, aunties, whatever, and they all fought on the high school lawn. It was fucking insane. The bus took off because it was, it just started spilling onto the streets and everything and we were already ready to go. So the bus starts and the last thing I see as I turn around look in the distance is a, is a legitimate fucking race war. It was incredible. It seems to me like somebody is leveraging human beings proclivity for tribal tendencies and shit like that. If you don't have that cultural cohesion, if that type of shit happens organically, wait till somebody figures out that they can levy it against you.

[David]

But see, this is the argument that I'm making is that if you believe or you want a classically liberal, colorblind society or whatever, Whatever, right. Do you think that opening the border wide and letting 20 million people in in a four year period gets you closer to that? Or do you think closing the border, allowing a million people to migrate here legally every year so that they can acclimate and you know, part basically become more American in a slower progression over time, do you think that that allows us to maintain that? The answer is clearly the latter. And I, and I, I will defend that to the end of the earth. I like that's just the truth. That's reality. So it seems common sense. I would like to live in a country where there can be diversity, but there's also a congealing in terms of cultural values where the migrants that come here by second generation, they're gun toting F150 driving rednecks or whatever. But if you just let 20 million people come in here, America will be lost. And the values that make America special, liberty will be lost. So I'm not on board with that.

[Clint]

I want to get your opinion on something. I might have had a dog. Take not the first time, but recently that kid, there was a, There was a child at the park, a white child, he's kind of fat, a little heavyset. I don't know, Maybe he's like 12 years old. He's getting into an argument with some black kids. Next thing you know, of course they freak out, they start beating his ass. And this child gets his forehead split open and with the first hit, so he gets hit, he hits the ground. Next thing you know, this kid is sitting up and his face is covered in blood and he is screaming, man. And it's one of those videos, causes a bit of fatigue because, you know, it looks like, I don't know the details of it, but it looks like par for the course as far as how young black people behave. And there was an interesting development in the way that it was addressed. And the way that it was addressed was there was a kind of a cookout throne and white people and black people came together. They got these kids bikes. The kid who did the assaulting, the kid who got assaulted, they got new bikes, they shook hands, they had a barbecue together. The community came out well. So. So my question to you guys is, I saw that and without looking too deeply into it, I said this is the way. Because in my opinion it is a positive thing to see the direct community, the family and friends and the people that live in that neighborhood coming together to address two boys fighting. If you really believe in that idea that it takes a village to Raise a child. That is a very good sign. And I'm not saying that it will fix it, but I'm saying it's a step in the correct direction. These things should be handled internally. So that's what I was getting at because a lot of people said, oh, okay, so you get your ass kicked by a fucking black kid, and then the black kid gets a new bike and you have to shake his hand. And I'm like, I get it. I. I see what you're saying, but these aren't psychiatrists. These aren't therapists. These aren't psychologists. These aren't police officers. These are bikers. That was. Who knew it was bikers?

[Top Lobster]

I don't think we're supposed to mix at all, David. This is like, I know Top is on his racist again, but let's get biblical with it. I mean, like we said when God was like, yo, take over that land. He's talking to the Israelites. He was like, take over the land. Kill them. Kill all of them. And I'm not saying, like, we got to kill these people, but the. The point is, like, don't mix. This does not go well for you. You're going to be mixing this up with people. And every time they did, they mixed it up. They took on other gods, they took on other cultures. They ended up getting enslaved and thrown into. Into captive. They were, like, treated like peasants in Rome because you've mixed, then you got taken over. And it's like, I think this is just a reality. And again, I'm a Puerto Rican dude. Like, my dad's from Puerto Rico. But what do you want me to say? Like, most of my family, the people that there's a. So shout out to all the 300 people listening on Rumble right now, like, and subscribe, please. But I don't know if you guys would get along with my family. They're a bunch of spicks. They're like, when I hang out with them, I go, these niggas are. And they are. But, you know, just different people. It's different cultures. Maybe we're not. There's a lot.

[David]

There's a lot of whites, too. And I still find. I find, you know, being does not make you not fun to be around. So I bet I would like your family of the family members of yours that I've met. I've liked them a lot. Here's. Here's the real issue is that at a certain point, immigration is so aggressive that that same dynamic that David just described, where some white kid gets beat up by some, you know, black kid. Well, what if the communities don't speak the same language? What if you're trying. What if you're trying to have this, like this, you know, pow wow, you know, smoke the peace pipe moment, but you don't speak the same language. That's what's happening in Europe, okay? So there. There are Muslim immigrants that come in there. They. Maybe they beat up someone or they raped someone. And you're trying to have some, you know, meeting of the minds between these.

[Clint]

You just have a barbecue about it. He raped somebody.

[David]

I'm just. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying, if you don't speak the same language, good luck having a peaceful outcome to that. And then it boils over into violence. Then the state grows in size. Then they start to, you know, basically criminalize and lock up the domestic population because they've. They've had enough. Then none of that leads you to a more free civilization.

[Top Lobster]

Can I just ask you this, like, really simple question? And this is to you, David, specifically, why even deal with it? Like, if I got to the point where my kid had to have his dome split open so that way we could have a, you know, a movie. A movie ending with some people who did it to him. I'm just like, I could just not be next to you. Like, my kids won't get their head split open by black people. You know why? Because there's really none here to do that. It's. I've removed the obstacle. This is a good point here. Real ryer. Die says a melting pot is not made to mix alloys, but rather to burn off impurities. It's fucking crazy. Sounds racist, but it's true. Like, if you ain't mixing, bro, you got to get out of here. And. But again, I'll just. I'll clarify even further. I'm just going to withdraw from it completely. Like, why be around it? Why would I even be around? I'm taking my kids out of there. I grew up in it. It's not a good place to grow up in. I have. I am extremely racist. I'm a bad person. I. When I walk through the streets, I'm like, I know where everybody is. I know exactly how they're moving. It's a level of paranoia that I'm not sure we're supposed to have as human beings. I don't want my kids having that. I want my kids. I want their thoughts to be focused on what they're going to be doing next, not what some fucking bum is doing around them. This is.

[David]

These.

[Top Lobster]

These externalities are a distraction to what we. What we're trying to do. If we're. We're trying to build a society like a better. I want to have flying cars. I can't think about flying cars because I'm thinking about this nigga over here that's about to rob me. You know what I mean? It's a distraction.

[David]

This is the argument against libertarians again. And I. I think this one's misplaced. But many libertarians believe in drug legalization. So therefore, oftentimes they're put in a position of sounding as if they're defending the homelessness crisis. It's like, well, no, because I don't believe that there should be public land. I believe that you should be able to do drugs on your private property, but that doesn't mean you get to go fucking live in a public park. But the dynamic you're talking about is like, that's how you have to find that balance. And it's not. It's not an easy balance, but it's one. It's necessary that you find it.

[Clint]

Xerox has a good question. He says, if Baby Corbeau came home with that gash in his head and all covered in blood, are you buying Dayquil a new bike? That's a fair question. You know what it is? It's like, if you did, I would.

[Top Lobster]

Not be friends with you.

[Clint]

You. No, no.

[Top Lobster]

This is the last episode. This is that white dude that, like, oh, you know, it was not racially motivated. My kid got a knife.

[Clint]

It's not at all about the racially motivated thing. It's. It's about. It's not even really about the kids and what they did. It's about the idea that some kids got into a fight and a community tried to do something about it. And like I said, I don't think that it's going to fix the situation. There's a high likelihood that it won't. But I. I'm not gonna lie. It's refreshing. It's refreshing to see somebody trying to do something.

[Top Lobster]

No, I'm just jaded because I know these community organizers. These community organizers are the same dumb motherfuckers that vote Democrat over and over and over again. And when you catch them in private, they'll tell you their real thoughts.

[Clint]

But when the white vipers, I don't know if they were Democrats, I don't know if that automatically means they're Republican, but we're talking big bearded tattoos, guys in. In like leather fucking. They say they could be homosexuals too, but I don't know if they're. If they're leaning Democrat. But I hear what you're saying.

[Top Lobster]

Gotcha. But I mean, listen, I've seen this happen in a similar way as well, with like, it's usually like an all female black group of people that are like this community watch or whatever. And then like, oh, we're gonna do something good. This is like this bad thing happened. I'm just like, it's so paper thin. Because I've seen you like, cheer this on. I've seen you say it yourself. Like, talk about the white man and shit. Like, it's like, what are you guys doing? Like, I don't think we're not. Maybe we're not just not supposed to be next to each other. Like, if this is how, this is what keeps happening.

[David]

Well, I think that's the answer is, like, if you don't have a shared cultural framework, then you're right, we're not supposed to be around each other. But that I. In my opinion, I think that you can be of all different varieties and shades and religions and everything else and be a great American. But that's a minority position, and that's a minority position for all races. I think most white people don't make good Americans either. But like, that's having cultural cohesion, in my opinion, is. Is more important than racial. Racial nations and things like that. True.

[Top Lobster]

There was a. There was a guy just yesterday. They had the police. The police were on my property and everyone else's property. Some guy like, was driving 100 miles an hour, gave the police chase, crash his car, and then started running through old properties. And you've been to my house, so you know that it's like, I have 10 people next to me, have 10 next to me, have five next to me, have 20 across the 60 acres. And this dude was just running through white guy. And so, yeah, it's not like all white people, but it's like, no, but all my white neighbors, though, they were out there. I'm out there with my gun. They're out there with their gun and they're like, well, I guess this guy has to die because he's on private property. I'm like, this is ideal. This is ideal behavior. Yeah, it's. But it's also. It's not about race. Like, if that guy would have been black, white, whatever, like, you don't belong on here, you would have gotten shot.

[David]

Exactly.

[Top Lobster]

But. But unfortunately, I could look most of the Time at race and determine. Ah, like I could, I could safely extrapolate your political religious ideas, your just your ideology just by looking at you most of the time or asking you a couple of simple questions.

[David]

This is the other thing that libertarians lie about. Like the truth is most libertarians are white. Hey, there you go. I just told the truth about it. It's like it's, it's not that hard to just be honest.

[Top Lobster]

Libertarians are white.

[Clint]

Georgia.

[Top Lobster]

There's two that aren't white. Maj Ture. And he's not a libertarian. The other guy with the gems on his head, he's a like one of those retarded libertarians. There's only two that I know is a fucking genie. Larry Sharp.

[David]

There's others.

[Top Lobster]

Larry Sharp. Larry Sharp. Larry Sharp. Larry. Oh, Larry Sharp.

[Clint]

You know what it is, it's like, what it reminded me of was, I think we were. If you imagine a scenario where two boys get into a fight and these two families come together, eliminate race and eliminate today's climate, and you have those two boys get together and, and you say, shake fucking hands and bury the hatchet, like that's what you should do. You know, I was made to do that a couple of times when I was a kid. If I got into a fight with somebody, you know, an adult would come along and they go, is it done? Are you done fighting? Then shake each other's hands and be done. And there is something about the adult that inserts themselves into a squabble between children. And I, what it looked like was that, but too little, too late.

[David]

I, I don't, I don't, I don't agree with that. I think it might not be too little too late. But like, for instance, would I, would I rather live next to David Hogg or the Hodge twins? You know, like, the answer is clearly the Hodge twins.

[Clint]

Yeah. So honestly, David Hogg probably would take a little bit better care of his property. He probably wouldn't have like cars on his lawn, kind of. I mean, look, if David Hogg came in to my neighborhood, I'd be like, he's gay, but at least my investment is safe.

[David]

Yeah, but then he's immediately going to vote you into slavery, so good luck with that. Whereas the Hodge twins are going to vote for, you know, maximal liberty. So that's why I'm never, I'm never going to just become a pure, pure tribalist. Not happening. And that is a nightmare. Blunt rotation. Good point.

[Clint]

Yeah. I don't know, man. I guess I got tore apart when I, when I said it. And, and probably rightfully so, I think I was just looking at something too naively. Something about that scenario spoke to me where it's just like, how many times have this happen where a black kid assaults a white kid and it goes viral and there's all kinds of up details about it, but very few of those cases ever end up with like other people from the community deciding to get involved. It's always, you know, it goes, I.

[Top Lobster]

Don'T like level, I don't like it because it's another story that pulls on your heartstrings. It's an emotional story. So immediately I reject it. And then I think just the logical thing, like I said, is like, I could just do without it in general. Like I'm gonna live around Black people for 20 years and deal with all the other bullshit. But maybe one time when they do beat someone up, we could have a fucking cookout. This is not a good deal for me.

[Clint]

Did I tell you that I have new black neighbors? And on day one when they, I, I here, caveat. I have a neighbor who is a strung out white bitch with a mixed race baby who's clearly like half white and half Spanish. He and I have a telepathic connection and she has a, a boyfriend, I'm assuming, because it's not her husband who is a black dude. And I look at that and, and I go, I go, like a little mud shark situation going on over here, you know, and. But then I find myself judging people and I go, all right, well, who. I'm sure they're fine. No, they're not fine. A day after they moved in, their, their porch is beneath ours. We're sitting on the back porch and all I hear is, you suck. This old nigga's you fucking cock sucking ass bitch. Shut the fuck up. And she's like, starts grabbing him and he goes, don't put hands on me, sucker. You can't fucking whoop me. You can't whoop me, bitch. Fuck you, cocksuck. And I'm like, oh my God. So this woman is now behind my house egging on this black guy behind my apartment egging on this black guy about to get beat up. And what happens? Her back door opens and four pit bulls come out. No leash. It's like every single box was checked. And I feel bad sometimes, Sometimes I can get into a place where I feel a little bit bad. I go, racial stereotypes, are they real? And then this happens. 4 off the leash dogs, a cracked out white woman about to get her ass Beat by her black boyfriend while their mixed baby watches, you know, in horror from the inside of the screened in porch. It's fucking, it's. It seems to be true in most cases.

[David]

I don't know about most cases, but many for sure.

[Clint]

I mean, we have a population issue, right? Or no, we have an underpopulation issue, but I don't. Okay, here's a question, and I think this is going to deviate between the two of you. Are most people pieces of and a small percentage of people are all right? Or is it inverse? Is it a small percentage of people that are pieces of and. And the large overwhelming majority of people are all right?

[Top Lobster]

I was asking my wife that question that like, it's like, am I a piece of? Because like, I just don't deal with things anymore. Like in real life, like, I like right now we'll talk about the stuff, I'll entertain some of these ideas, but in real life, when I see some, I'm just like, I'm fucking out of here, dog. Like, I have dealt with this. I have nothing nice to say about. I'll say crazy shit to the person too. And I'm like, but I'm out, for instance. And this is just, I guess, pretty personal. But whatever we have, we have black friends and their kid typical create typical behavior. And I like, but I'm trying, but I was trying. I'm trying, I'm trying. I'm like, I'm trying to be a good person. But I'm like, why the fuck? Why does it always happen this way?

[Clint]

This kid, like, whatever reason, he only plays finger guns. That's the only thing he plays. Everything is finger guns.

[Top Lobster]

He's beating up my kids, drowning, trying to drown my kid, like kissing my. He trying to kiss my kids in the mouth and like, all crazy. And then when I go to the parents, I'm like, yo. And they're like, oh, you know. And I'm just like, you know what? At some point I just said, you know what? We're good, get out the out. And like, I don't talk to you no more. That's it, we're done. And it's like, am I a bad person? Because I just like, I have decided, oh, you're not going to. But it's not just that. Like, now I'm. But now I'm like, why is it always this the same thing? It's like, now I just have to start like really stereotyping, like stereotype one Thomas Sowell. Is that because it makes me a bad person? Deep down inside because I don't want to deal with it, but I have to. And I feel like I constantly have to. I'm like, let me find out content the characters, like, every fucking time. Every time.

[David]

I'll say. I'll say. I think most people, broadly speaking, are good, but they don't. Most people don't share my values, though. Does that make sense?

[Clint]

No.

[David]

So, like. All right, well, hear me out. So I think that they. I think most people are interested in looking after them, their family, believing in God, whatever, looking after their kids, reproducing, having a decent community. But they aren't interested in not stealing from me, not disarming me, letting me speak freely, you know, so that's the. That's the problem. Where is.

[Clint]

Where does being loud fall on that scale for you?

[David]

That's the black side of the scale.

[Clint]

Yeah, okay, that's a huge problem.

[Top Lobster]

But it also overlaps with not stealing from me. Those behaviors are like. Like what. What Clint is saying is not necessarily like going up to his department and stealing his. It's just like supporting these really bad ideas that are going to hurt me in the long run.

[David]

Right, right, exactly. They have bad ideas, so I don't think that they're bad people, but they are bad. They have bad ideas. And as long as your vote counts the same as mine, well, then you get it, you know, like, you're gonna my life up and you're gonna my. The life of. Of my progeny and my heirs forevermore. So I have to take that seriously. The state puts me in a position of having to care about who lives around me in a way that's much more dramatic than it would be otherwise. That's not my fault. That's the system. I am. I am functioning in a defensive mechanism to make sure that there is a future for my fucking family. If there's anything wrong with that, I think you've got it wrong. I think you've got it backwards. So I don't have any problem with. With your position Top. And as far as I'm concerned, you know, whether the kid's black or he's white and he's trying to fucking kiss your kids and drown them. That kid and that family.

[Top Lobster]

It's crazy when you say it, like.

[Clint]

Back to back, but, like, that's what.

[Top Lobster]

Happens, not at the same time.

[Clint]

Am I clear an understanding Top. That. That you. You feel then that most people. Most people. Well, besides you, most people are. Are shit people. And then there's a percentage, because that was kind of the question it's just like, let's say if we. If we gave a hypothetical 70. 30, right. Who's 70? Who's 30?

[Top Lobster]

I'm reluctant to call them shit people. I just think, like, most people are not thinking into not many steps into the future. They're thinking about, like, right now.

[David]

And they actually kind of, like, they have different values. They have different ways of viewing the world. Like, for instance, Muslims. Like, I've. I've gone pretty hard in the paint for the Palestinians over the past year and a half. I don't want to fucking be neighbors with these Palestinians.

[Top Lobster]

70 IQ retards get them. Like, that's why I said before. I was like, don't care what happens to them.

[David]

Yeah. But, like, I. I'm just. I'm just saying I don't want you to fucking blow them up. Okay? That doesn't mean that, like, I fucking love these people and I want them to, you know, move in with me. I'm just saying don't kill them anymore.

[Clint]

Yeah. I don't want them to die. I just don't want them anywhere near me.

[David]

Right. Right. So it's like. But this is. This is how I feel about basically all people is just the same way, you know? Like, most Muslims are peaceful, kind people that are interested in family values, and they're awesome. I've got no beef, but, like, I don't want to be around you, and I don't want to have Sharia law. Like, I'm No. Not interested in any of that. Smell.

[Top Lobster]

The smell of spices. You ever been in, like, a.

[David]

Like, and your food.

[Clint]

Oh, my God. Like I said, when. When the town became mostly Indian, that was what they got wrecked for, was the smell. In hindsight, I almost feel bad. Except, you know, why. Why do you smell like that, then? But it was. And a lot of it is their spices. Because I've been in a couple of, like, Indian households, and whatever they're whooping, whipping up. I'm like, oh, that's the smell. It's coming out of your pores. What you're cooking for dinner is coming out of your pores.

[David]

You walk into a Asian house. That sucks, too.

[Clint]

Yeah.

[David]

I did this Filipino chick when I was in high school, and I went to her house after school every day because I was trying to hook up with her, and, man, it smelled like in there. I hated it.

[Top Lobster]

Choy dog. It's like that.

[Clint]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Weird. You know what? It is disgusting.

[Clint]

I dated a Filipino girl. Their food, when they leave it out, they. They leave it out for, like, A day or two. They, they consider it to be a little bit better at fermenting, ferments. And there's something to that because there is like bacteria that's breaking down the food. And you know, you can make some kind of argument probably, it's probably got.

[David]

A dope stomach biome, is it?

[Clint]

That's what I'm saying. Yeah, it was really about that. Those like never got sick, so I'll.

[David]

Give them crazy blowjob skills too.

[Clint]

Not the case on my end. Not the case on my end. Huge disappointment. I, I do want to. We're coming up on the two hour mark, but we have this split going on now that we were talking about before the show where there's like an Israeli America split. And I'm, I'm out of the loop entirely. But if you remember, Clint, I was saying that if this is, this is probably before we ever launched Dangerous, maybe we were doing a crossover show or something. But I said that if this is biblical prophecy unfolding, then we would expect the world to turn on Israel in some capacity. And the question at the time wasn't just from you, or maybe it wasn't from you, but I was getting this a lot when I was saying that was how on earth are we going to have that type of a situation when Donald Trump is balls deep in Israel's ass? And you know, they would cite a bunch of different reasons that valid said that. Yeah. And I would say, I don't know, I'm just telling you, if this is.

[David]

Biblical prophecy unfolding, that was my rejoinder to you. I remember it specifically. Yeah, that's a fair point. And the impossible seems to be potentially happening. I'm not convinced, just to be honest.

[Clint]

Can you tell what, what is happening?

[David]

Well, he's negotiating peace with a bunch of Muslim countries and he's basically telling Israel and Netanyahu specifically, like, I don't give a fuck what you think. And he's like, he, he just gave this speech at the, in Saudi Arabia today that I tweeted out that's going super viral. And he just destroys the neoconservative arguments. And as you guys know, the foundational beliefs from the neoconservatives were largely predicated on Israel and defending Israel and, and written by many of Jewish, you know, scholars and academics.

[Top Lobster]

Isn't it interesting? Just like maybe a month ago when Dave Smith was on Rogan doing that Douglas Murray debate, Murray goes right to the White House and gets his book basically promoted by Trump. And here we are three, two, three weeks later, and it's almost an about face. I'm like, what the fuck? I don't know what's going on with this administration.

[David]

This is what I'm saying, man. This is why I can't. I can't get a read on it. Like, I can tell that his base is very upset with the fact that he won't, you know, defend America and put America first like he promised. So maybe this is lip service. Maybe this is all a game. Maybe this is just angling. And I. I don't know. It's impossible to say definitively, but that's what's happening, is that he is reorienting. And it. And it looks, I mean, very America first, that he's trying to create better relationships with Saudi Arabia, seeking peace with Iran. He's refused to bomb their nuclear facilities despite Israel and Netanyahu specifically lobbying very aggressively for that for 30 years.

[Top Lobster]

Let me ask you a question, Clint. This is a. This is a serious question. What do you consider to be more dangerous? Yes, but if we were to take Israel's advice and bomb Iran and do all these things that they want, which would cause a World War III or a nuclear fallout, if you believe in that, or what Trump is doing now, and basically telling them no, which do you think is more dangerous for us as the American. Like, the American people.

[David]

Oh, it's way more dangerous for us to bomb Iran. Way more.

[Top Lobster]

I just. I disagree with you, man.

[David]

Like, make an argument. Why?

[Top Lobster]

My argument is because, well, Iran is over there and they can bomb us. We can deflect some stuff. There'll be a war. It doesn't even have to be a kinetic war on the ground. I don't know how that plays out. If we bomb them, it might be a proxy war. I know for sure that when you don't do what. And I mean, well, let's just say Israel. But the powers that be. If you don't do what the powers that be say, you get something like Covid. You know, you get something that shuts down the whole world. And that's like, what I'm a little bit worried about right now.

[David]

All right, well, that. That's a. That's a fair argument to make. But if you're going to make that argument, then you. You are basically accepting subservience for the rest of your existence. Are you okay?

[Top Lobster]

I'm not saying we shouldn't. No, I'm not saying we shouldn't object. The question was, what's more dangerous?

[David]

Well, I still. I still. I still believe that it's more dangerous to, to do whatever Israel wants because it's leading us into economic destruction as a consequence. I mean, over 10 trillion, over 37 trillion in national debt as a consequence of the war on terror. The war on terror was specifically for Israel, no doubt about that. So our economic destitution is a product of that. You also are risking in on many fronts. We've already had, you know, countless loss of lives when it comes to the war on terror. But if we were to go to war with Iran, you're talking about a monstrous war. I mean, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Libya, none of these fucking countries can hold a candle to what Iran would do to us. And we still have immense military bases in Iraq and elsewhere throughout the Middle east that Iran would immediately strike if we were to, you know, bomb them. So that's casus belli. We're immediately in war at that point, then we have to topple the leadership of Iran. Therefore you're going to have to do a ground invasion or at least send special forces in there. Iran does have pretty high level hacking and you know, Internet warfare technology that they could do. They probably have EMP technology too, electromagnetic pulse technology, so. And then also they're a big ally of Russia, which we've been in a proxy war with for the longest time. China is also kind of angling for a positive relationship there too. So it has a, it has a potential for World War III is what I'm arguing. And I think that Israel also, if you abandon Israel, it also has the potential to spiral into nuclear option. Yeah, that's, I'm, I'm being honest about it. Like it has the potential, but that, that potential exists forever, so. Or like I just don't, I just don't think we should be held hostage to Israel in perpetuity.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, I'm not saying, I'm not saying we should. I'm just saying that, I don't know, the thing with Israel just gives me, it makes my stomach turn a little bit more. Like we're watching him defy Israel.

[David]

Like it's not with, it's not without danger. I agree with you on that.

[Top Lobster]

Oh, people are celebrating it and I'm like, I'm laughing at it, but I'm like, oh, like, like we're laughing and joking. Like, good. But I'm like, that's kind of dangerous, dude. That's.

[David]

Well, if you. Depends on what, what you believe JFK was taken out for. But a lot of people think that they've already taken out a president. So for the record, I'M not convinced of that. I, I don't actually think that that's necessarily true, but I do think it's, it's absolutely within the realm of possibility that they would do so.

[Top Lobster]

Another question for the, for the fucking woke, right? Retards are the ones that are accusing people of being woke, right? Who, who info.

[David]

Who.

[Top Lobster]

Who has more government infiltrators in the American government right now? Is it Iran, Qatar, or is it Israel? And which of these people like that, that's. Which of those countries would you be hesitant to piss off? I know the answer. And if people want to dance around it, you're full of. Everybody knows the answer. That's horrifying. It's a horrifying prospect that they wouldn't.

[Clint]

Just let us deviate and, and sort of go our separate ways and not have this.

[Top Lobster]

The silence, the silence of, of Netanyahu. And even like, like, sorry, sorry to cut you off. Even, like, the response that I have seen him say, he's like, well, I guess we're just going to have to figure out how to get by economically without the United States. I'm like, I don't like that answer.

[Clint]

Like a, oh, shucks. Well, it's going to be rough, but we'll figure it out.

[Top Lobster]

I guess we'll figure it out on our own. You know, it's like, I don't think that that is what you're saying at all. What you're saying.

[David]

It's all, it's all veiled threats.

[Top Lobster]

It's a fucking threat, dude. And it's a, it's a, not just, it's the most, it's the most significant threat that I've seen a foreign country give to the United States in a long time. And it's not even like, like saying like, we're gonna do this or that. I'm like, these guys are in your country right now in an extreme way. Not good. Very, very not good.

[David]

I'm not gonna downplay any of that, but I think that you got to take a stand at some point. You have to. And, and, and I honestly believe that if, if it's not made now, it likely never will be. So I'm fine with it. I'm fine with taking that risk. I think it's, it's preferable to the existing risk that comes with the status quo. But I am not at all trying to downplay the concerns that you have. Like, in terms of economic warfare, obviously, there is a decent amount of control over the financial system there. And then assassinations. I mean, they do subterfuge better than anybody. So it's a real danger, and people ought to be aware of that.

[Top Lobster]

If this was the plan all along and they knew about it, if this was the part of Donald Trump's plan, saving Israel for last, well, something like that, or at least not doing everything that they say, if they got wind of that, it makes a lot of sense why Donald Trump, the first thing he didn't do when he got into office was say, these are the people who try to assassinate me. There's been talk about Iran, like the planes coming from Iran, but he has not went out and said, these are the people who tried to assassinate me. He hasn't said, I've done the research here, I've looked at all the documents. It's just kind of been brushed aside. Like they shot at your head. If they did shoot at your head, who did it? You would think that he'd come forward. And I think that if they continue, if he continues on this path, playing this, this game with Israel, because right now it's soft. It's like a soft kind of thing, although not really. He's not, he's not even taking this guy's calls. He's not meeting with him. This is.

[David]

I'll tell, I'll tell you the truth. I, I believe this. Whether or not I'm right, I don't know. But I just wanted to preface it with I do believe what I'm about to say. I believe that whoever took a shot at Trump, and I do believe he was shot at, it was intended to be blamed on Iran. Yep. So, like, that's a. As far as I'm concerned, that's a fact. So who has the most.

[Top Lobster]

Who has blaming Iran for 25 years?

[David]

Who has the most incentive to lay a presidential assassination at the feet of Iran? If you, if you can't answer that honestly, you're just fucking lying to yourself. So I think it's a distinct possibility. Like, that's, that's the obvious cui bono answer. That doesn't mean that it is the answer, but it's the obvious cubono answer. So, you know, it could be the military industrial complex paired with the CIA and this is just the war that they've always wanted. Or it could be the Israelis whose arch nemesis is the Iranians.

[Top Lobster]

Now, David, into, into conspiracy lane, we got to bring it in for a landing. We got to talk about Brographer for at least one minute. But into conspiracy villain before we do it reminds me of the Cliff High prediction that, like we spoke About a lot. And it's something that just always, like, I'll wake up and I'll be like, what the. Like, he had the. The prediction of Donald Trump basically doing, like a State of the Union where he's at it. What is he at? Like some sort of a dinner table.

[Clint]

Like a. Yeah, so this is supposed to take place around, like, June or something like that, after we go through all this, like, turbulence for X amount of months since the new year. And that the vibe was supposed to be looking back in hindsight, just. Just for the audience, if you're not aware, Cliff High is a highly intelligent guy who.

[Top Lobster]

Let me just say something real quick, David. This is the greatest show on the Internet. We fluctuated wildly. Yes, we fluctuated wildly between saying hail hi, Hal Hitler, nigga, to the Bible, to geopolitics, to wild conspiracy. Please continue.

[Clint]

We fuck. We fuck hard.

[Top Lobster]

We fuck.

[Clint]

So, so, so Cliff High, he's a very intelligent man. He develops in the late 90s a web bot, scrapes data off the Internet, uses that data to make predictions, makes a bunch of predictions that seemingly come true. It's up for interpretation, though, because what the web bot does is it spits out key phrases and words and, you know, it's your job to interpret it. So giving that there is this pliability or room for interpretation, you could feasibly make it attached to a lot of. I recognize that. But some of it is uncanny enough to give them some renown. And one of the things.

[Top Lobster]

Didn't that prediction come from a remote viewer?

[Clint]

Well, it came from the web bot and then in conjunction with the. Because apparently it gave him enough data. And I don't understand how remote viewers work. You know, our. Our own government intelligence agency, he seemed to have an interest in them from time to time. But you can give these people some information without telling them what it is they're going to view, and that'll enable them to view this time, this moment in time, without the bias of filling in the blanks because of what you told them. I don't know. I don't understand it. But he says that in June, there will be kind of like a state I would. He's addressing the nation. It was the vibe that I got. Trump will be addressing the nation, and it'll be one. The sentiment will be, look at all the hard we just went through, but look where we are as a nation, and look at this beautiful future in front of us. And that's kind of what he's alluding to. Interestingly enough, Cliff also Says that one of the predictions, it's spat out and some of these things come to pass and they don't take place sometimes, you know, it's like this is a possibility. It's almost like this thing is viewing possible future timelines, whatever. So he says that Israel was going to try to launch a strike on Iran. And I think seven jets were going to depart, two were going to get turned around. I'm sorry, five were going to get turned around, two were going to make it through. They were going to bomb a nuclear facility. And the fallout from that was going to be so tremendous that the entire world was going to turn on Israel. And so, you know, sexy idea. I don't know where to put it, but I don't know if that's the one you're talking about. Top. But I think about that one a lot too.

[David]

I just want to be clear. If people don't know that was supposed to happen about a month ago. I'm not saying clip high. I'm saying that almost happened.

[Clint]

Yeah.

[David]

Like the Trump administration actually shot it down.

[Top Lobster]

What I was, what I was talking about is just Trump at the table saying like, wow, look what we just been through. That's all behind us, but we're moving forward now. And it's like describing some weird. I know, again, this is like, woo, woo shit. It's describing a calamity that we went through, the people went through, and now we're past it and this happens in June and I'm just like, what the is going on? Like, it's just odd timing. It's odd timing to oppose Israel.

[David]

I mean, it could, it could mean that. It could also just mean the, the trade war that he started and then he can stop and take a victory lap saying, you know, we've come to terms with China and da, da, da, da. You know, that's the problem with these predictions is that especially if they're not super specific, then, then you can, you can attribute. It's like Q shit.

[Clint]

You know, the one he was very right about was the Trump and Joe Rogan podcast that he called all the way back in 2009.

[David]

Yeah, look, I'm, I'm. That is insane. So I'm not, I'm not trying to downplay all.

[Clint]

Rather, he didn't call it, he didn't call it. It's just this thing that scrapes data and then spits out information, you know?

[David]

Yeah, yeah. And look, there, there may be predictive power in that, that device. I, I don't know. I'm just Saying if the prediction isn't super specific, then it's going to be very hard to, you know, claim that it's accurate. That's all.

[Clint]

Yeah, well, I know we're bringing it in for a landing. I just want to play this short video. It's a little silly, it's a little lighthearted, but it's just, it screams first Trump administration. And we'll talk about it in a second. Let me press play here. This is from Brian Allen. I don't know who the fuck he is, but he says, breaking in a surreal and frankly humiliating moment, Donald Trump just fell asleep during his own briefing in Saudi Arabia. This isn't jet lag. Think it's a walking security risk with a nap schedule. The man who calls himself sharp as ever couldn't even stay conscious. This is a 27 second video, so let's let it play.

[Top Lobster]

Read a lot of the material now out of Saudi Arabia and Mohammed bin Salman is saying, we need a resolution.

[David]

On a Palestinian state.

[Top Lobster]

And I don't necessarily recall several years ago pre October 7th, as that day being a demand that he had necessarily stated publicly. Do you think his position has changed or do you think the way he has expressed himself has that.

[Clint]

And that's it, that's the clip. And I know that's underwhelming for the reason. Yeah, what was. It was a five second count is what I did. I counted five seconds. He opens his eyes. So in a 27 second video, his eyes are closed for one fifth of.

[David]

The time he didn't fall asleep. And I know this, but the reason.

[Clint]

That I'm, I'm showing it to you guys.

[David]

Go ahead. As a resident cozy and nap expert, I promise you he didn't fall asleep. And the way I know this is that when you fall asleep, particularly sitting up like that, you snap, you go like that. And by the way, the reason I.

[Clint]

Really done it before is because I.

[David]

Saw Joe Biden do it a hundred times over the past four years. So it's insane that they would even make this claim.

[Clint]

But it reminds me of during the first Trump administration where what seemed obvious to critical thinkers where they were levying every single like petty allegation they possibly could against the guy, they would make up false allegations and that would be like the real meat of the takedowns as far as the media is concerned. But then it would be this never ending bombardment of little tiny stabs and snide remarks about, look at this and look at that. A guy closed his eyes for five seconds. Seconds, five seconds. And you think that that's breaking news and that's worthy of making a whole post about saying that he is. What was it again? Let me see here. It was very fascinating language use. He is a walking security risk for closing his eyes for five seconds. And the point that I'm trying to make here is given everything that we just talked about with the state of relations between America and Israel and all this crazy that's happening, to choose to focus on that is so. It's so gay. It's unreal.

[Top Lobster]

Here's the answer. I'm. I'm kind of mad that you even brought this up on, on this show. The answer is. And it's crazy. Yeah, Hitler, that's the answer. We're not even play. We're not playing your game in the slightest. Like, it's not that we're playing like, I don't know, like, you know, you, you could have like a, a chess board and then you could play checkers on it or you could play chess. Like. No, no, we're playing a, a fucking completely different game. Your board is thrown out completely. I will not even address this. That he's sleeping or not. This whatever. Is the guy Jewish? He's probably Jewish, right?

[Clint]

He's black, which is the same thing. I don't know if you're aware of that same thing.

[Top Lobster]

I mean, I mean, listen, by, by the original Jews.

[Clint]

The original Jews, motherfucker.

[Top Lobster]

Listen, it's exactly what I said that we have broken the matrix of it. Toad has done it. Toad has broken the matrix. Hal Hitler. We will not address anything that is not the truth any longer. We're not going to play your game. We have broken the mold. Simple as that. He can continue to tweet that into the ether, but we. Everybody knows what's up. You live the last couple of years. If somebody tells you that to their face, spit in their face.

[David]

Well, if a 78 year old can't fly 6,000 miles and then close his eyes for three seconds during a boring ass governmental meeting, then life's not worth living. Just drop the nukes right now.

[Clint]

I know.

[David]

Let a be cozy. For the love of God.

[Clint]

That's it. There's been times in my life where I had one sneaking up on me and I had to close my eyes to make sure that I didn't rip ass in public. You don't know why this is happening. This would be a number of reasons. But to bring that behavior, that 2018, that 2019 behavior into 2025 is. It's tone deaf. It's gay. It's despicable, and it's. It's embarrassing. And I just wanted to say that. That's all, guys.

[David]

It's like very fine people, part 5000. Like, I'm just. I just don't play with this shit.

[Top Lobster]

Exactly.

[Clint]

Risk to national security, guys.

[Top Lobster]

I don't fuck with any of it. All right, guys, listen. The real deal.

[Clint]

Yes.

[David]

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[Top Lobster]

Tickets are more than halfway sold out. Go to Bohemian Grove. They're moving. It's going to be a blast. We just booked. We just booked some, like an interest. Another interesting wrinkle to this that's going to make this event a little bit more unique. Something that you've never really ever even been a part 100. You've never been a part of anything.

[Clint]

Like this after 100. In fact, we're having discussions and, and we're thinking that some of the ideas that we have are too extreme. We might actually have to pull them back a little bit. That's the. That's the realm that we've now entered. Is, are we doing too much? Is this going to be too crazy? Are we going to get, I don't know, swatted? Or. We're floating Persona non grata for the rest of our lives.

[David]

We're floating ideas that make Top Lobster anxious. Just. Just consider what that means.

[Clint]

Yes.

[Top Lobster]

It's.

[Clint]

In fact, Top was the. The one who said, no, we can't do that.

[Top Lobster]

It's that crazy. I mean, and. And honestly, I don't really even have control over what happens in this place. Like, if I've asked these people to perform, I will not tell them what to do. I will not tell them what not to say. I'll tell them like, hey, listen, you know, the. The guy that owns this place is Jewish. Fucking do whatever you want, though. But like, the things that are happening here, most likely we will not be invited back to this theater ever again. I don't know how this is going to play out, but what I do know is that we have all set the stage here for something very unique from something very interesting to happen. And it should be. It's gonna be magical.

[David]

It's gonna be weird, spectacular. And honestly, if you miss it, you're gonna feel like a idiot. Particularly because it may never be allowed to happen again. Yeah, it's going to. It's going to be fantastic. Anyway, Sam Tripoli, day one, own Benjamin, day two. It's going to be a once in a lifetime opportunity. As, as you know, we only put out the tickets 10 days ago, and there's still a month before the event. We got half of them gone already. It will sell out. If you are a fan of this show and you want to go, I don't think Owen or Tripoli have been pushing this heavily yet. So once they do, their fans will buy up the rest. So it's up to you guys. We. We. We want you to be there more than we want Owen and Tripoli's fans to be there. So if you are interested, brogrove.com grab you some. Grab some for your wife, your kids. Actually, don't bring your kids.

[Top Lobster]

Your kids.

[David]

But it'll be fun. It'll be fun. Otherwise.

[Clint]

Is that it? Are we done here?

[Top Lobster]

That's it.

[Clint]

Is it over?

[Top Lobster]

What a good episode.

[David]

New Liberty lockdown dropping tomorrow at noon, so subscribe there.

[Top Lobster]

Ain't that nice? Does your light work for the New Liberty Lockdown?

[Clint]

No, it doesn't work.

[Top Lobster]

It doesn't. Even the one you just taped, it had to have worked, right?

[David]

Oh, no, it hasn't. It hasn't taped yet. I'm gonna do it tonight.

[Top Lobster]

Incredible. Well, you guys, up.

[Clint]

Clint has a very expensive sign behind him, and he's put on a little weight. It wasn't able to squeeze in between that tight area, and he leaned back and he shattered his. His neons. Very sad. Very, very. I gotta get you back in shape, baby.

[David]

Taco Bell broke my light. Goddamn it.

[Top Lobster]

It's been. It's been a blast. We'll see you guys next week where we fully convert Clint to Christianity. Bye.

[Clint]

Let's.