04: Angelic Rebellion - The Book of Genesis w/ Ed Mabrie

Summary

Podcast Summary: Nephilim Death Squad – "Angelic Rebellion - The Book of Genesis w/ Ed Mabry"

Release Date: March 14, 2025

In Episode 04 of Nephilim Death Squad, hosted by Top Lobsta Productions, Top Lobsta and Raven delve deep into the enigmatic realms of biblical conspiracies, focusing primarily on the Angelic Rebellion as depicted in the Book of Genesis. Joined by guest Ed Mabry, the hosts navigate through ancient scriptures, theological debates, and modern-day interpretations to uncover hidden truths and shed light on the interplay between divine entities and humanity.

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Introduction to Angelic Rebellion

The episode kicks off with an engaging banter that sets the stage for a profound discussion on the manipulation of societal narratives by influential figures. Ed Mabry emphasizes the "enormous chasm between what we're told and what's really happening" (00:17), highlighting the podcast's mission to unravel these discrepancies through a biblical lens.

Nephilim and Fallen Angels

A significant portion of the conversation revolves around the Nephilim, enigmatic beings mentioned in Genesis. David Lee Corbo passionately states, "They control this now when no one's talking about how they made us far to be slaves" (00:47), hinting at a hidden manipulation by these celestial entities. The hosts draw parallels between biblical accounts and other mythologies, suggesting a universal theme of divine rebellion.

Defining Judaism and Its Role

The discussion shifts to the complexities of defining Judaism and understanding its relationship with Christianity. Ed Mabry clarifies, "Judaism is more of a religion...following the Torah and Tanakh" (14:39), stressing the inseparable nature of the Old and New Testaments. The hosts critique the evolution of religious practices, particularly Catholicism, accusing it of adding man-made doctrines that contradict biblical teachings.

Understanding the Trinity

A deep dive into the Trinity ensues, where Ed Mabry attempts to demystify the concept by assigning distinct roles to each person of the Trinity:

• God the Father: Represents thoughts and will.
• Jesus the Son: Embodies words and expression.
• The Holy Spirit: Acts as the administrator, facilitating actions and guiding believers.

Ed Mabry explains, "God the Father is the will, Jesus is the word, and the Holy Spirit is the actions" (71:40), offering a functional perspective to comprehend the triune nature of God. This analogy aims to bridge the gap between human understanding and divine complexity.

The Gap Theory and Creation

Addressing the Gap Theory, Ed Mabry supports the notion of a temporal pause between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2, allowing for an ancient angelic civilization's existence before humanity. He asserts, "I believe there is a gap between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2" (83:31), rejecting theistic evolution and advocating for a supernatural creation without intersecting it with evolutionary timelines.

Eschatological Timelines and Prophecies

The hosts explore end-times prophecies, discussing predetermined pivotal years like 2025 and the concept of Kali Yuga ending. They speculate on events such as the Rapture and the second coming of Jesus, interpreting various biblical passages to align with contemporary phenomena like widespread visions and alleged alien communications. David Lee Corbo remarks, "Nothing against the creator...we're here to explore these things and try to hash out what the truth is" (60:35), emphasizing the podcast's commitment to uncovering prophetic truths.

Biblical Symbols and Modern Media

Drawing connections between biblical symbols and modern media, Top Lobsta references films like Moana and classic games like Dungeons & Dragons to illustrate recurring themes of divine conflict and chaos. He notes, "Moana just nails it so many times with this esoteric, cold knowledge" (74:25), suggesting that contemporary storytelling often mirrors ancient spiritual battles.

Challenges and Misrepresentations

The episode also addresses the challenges of accurately interpreting scriptures amidst cultural and doctrinal misrepresentations. Ed Mabry criticizes how additional religious practices distort God's intended teachings, stating, "If you believe in something else... you're adding things on to the Bible" (22:18). The hosts advocate for a return to pure biblical interpretations to avoid spiritual deception.

Conclusion and Future Topics

As the episode concludes, Ed Mabry outlines the upcoming discussions on Genesis, focusing on the aftermath of the angelic rebellion and the subsequent creation processes. The hosts express anticipation for future episodes that will continue to decode biblical mysteries and confront contemporary theological debates.

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Notable Quotes

• Ed Mabry (00:17): "We are being hypnotized by people like this... in a country and a world that is being run by unbelievably sick people."

• David Lee Corbo (00:47): "They control this now when no one's talking about how they made us far to be slaves."

• Ed Mabry (14:39): "Judaism is more of a religion...following the Torah and Tanakh."

• Ed Mabry (71:40): "God the Father is the will, Jesus is the word, and the Holy Spirit is the actions."

• Ed Mabry (83:31): "I believe there is a gap between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2."

• David Lee Corbo (60:35): "Nothing against the creator...we're here to explore these things and try to hash out what the truth is."

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Final Thoughts

Episode 04 of Nephilim Death Squad offers a compelling exploration of biblical narratives intertwined with contemporary interpretations and conspiracies. Through engaging dialogue and insightful analysis, Top Lobsta, Raven, and Ed Mabry invite listeners to question established doctrines and seek deeper understanding of divine mysteries.

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Transcript

[Ed Mabry]

The Quarter pounder with cheese had many great things. Maple flavored griddle cakes isn't one of.

[Top Lobsa]

Them McDonald's breakfast comes first.

[Ed Mabry]

Productions. We are being hypnotized by people like this. Newsreaders, politicians, teachers, lecturers. We are in a country country and in a world that is being run by unbelievably sick people. The chasm between what we're told is going on and what is really going.

[Top Lobsa]

On is absolutely enormous. Oh yeah, dude, there's some Nephilim.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's like we all know what's going down but no one's saying what happened to the home of the brave? They control this now when no one's talking about how they made us far to be slaves and everybody's just walking around heading the clouds. I want to wake up to a dead in the grave.

[Ed Mabry]

It's too late.

[David Lee Corbo]

We need to be ready to raise up. Welcome to the end of day.

[Ed Mabry]

Everybody is slave. Only some are aware that the government releasing poison in the hand.

[David Lee Corbo]

Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad. I am David Lee Corbo, AKA the Raven that is Top Lobsa, the father of disinformation. Before we get into today's guests, I would just like to remind everybody that this is not a 30 minute preview. But in case you were looking for a great way to support the show, consider going on over to patreon.com back.

[Ed Mabry]

Oops. Do we lose?

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, there we go. He kicked me out of the room. Unbelievable. This is a 30 minute preview. We are cutting it. No, we're not doing that. Guys, head over to patreon.com backslash nephilim death squad. Sign up for whatever tier you'd like and gain early access to episodes before the general public. Enjoy ad free viewing experiences and even get a little discount code off of merchandise from top lopsit.com Speaking of toplopster.com don't forget to go and check out our new NDS jackets. I kind of made the mistake thinking that the season was almost over. But we live here in Florida for the rest of the world, especially the Northeast, the Northwest. It's still cold there. So go and get your NDS varsity jacket. Just in time to stave off some of those winter chills. You could also check out our dangerous Retards merch. I don't have that shirt anymore. Somebody literally stole my laundry and I don't have that shirt anymore. It really deeply upsets me, actually, but.

[Top Lobsa]

There'S nobody has that shirt.

[David Lee Corbo]

Somebody has that shirt. Somebody's walking around my apartment complex with a dangerous shirt, looking very fashionable, and I am very jealous. But there's all kinds of merchandise over@toplops it.com. go and check that out, guys. It is Friday, and Fridays are for the Lord. So once again, we are joined by Ed Mabry to continue our book of Genesis discussion. But before we get into that, Ed, where can people find your work and support you?

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah. So thanks. And by the way, it's still a little chilly up here in Northern California, but, yeah, it's. So.

[David Lee Corbo]

Have you yourself an NDS jacket? It's very. Look, I wore it over at Top's house. That thing is hardy. It's dense. It'll definitely stave off the cold weather. I was actually very surprised, Pleasantly surprised with the. With the quality of that bad boy.

[Ed Mabry]

Unfortunately, I will tell you that that one of the best things about moving it with my wife and I moved into our house. I told her, I just don't want to have to use public laundry anymore. That was like, I. I had. So I almost got into, like, literal fights with people who would, like, screw with my clothes. And I. The first thing we did when we got into our house, I just did a load of laundry in my own house, so no one's gonna.

[David Lee Corbo]

Beautiful. Now I'm looking to. I'm looking to move now, Ed, in the next couple of months and everything. I'm like, does it have a washer and dryer unit? I cannot deal with this anymore because, yeah, it's a. It's almost always a combat situation or. We found my clothes. They're being sold on Facebook market.

[Top Lobsa]

Incredible. I already brought a couple of shirts.

[David Lee Corbo]

Unbelievable, dude.

[Ed Mabry]

I lived in an apartment for 12 years before I got a house, so. And I was. Yeah, it was. It was glorious. I opened up a bottle of wine when we. When we did our first.

[Top Lobsa]

I'm a handyman. So I was, like, living in the basement in some basement apartment, and I figured out that they had a water connection and an extra closet. And I literally just took it upon myself to figure out how to, like, jimmy this water connection and then convert the. The voltage to 220. I had a washer dryer set up in my. Yeah. Because I'm not washing my clothes with a bunch of plebes. I just.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, dude. I've been making that mistake constantly, and it genuinely is a mistake. The other day, my wife was out there. She's doing laundry, and all of a sudden, some guy. I get this intuition, right? I go, I got to go look outside and see make sure my wife's okay. As I look outside, some dudes pedaling his bike up to the laundry room. And then next thing you know, I almost end up fighting the guy. He starts talking to me because I'm watching him to make sure he doesn't do anything to my wife. He tells my wife she's beautiful and then basically says there's no way that this short piece of has a girlfriend. Which, you know, in his defense, he's not far from the mark. But geez, man, all I want to do is do some laundry. So yeah, if you can get out and not have to worry about that kind of crap, God bless you.

[Ed Mabry]

Okay, so with the laundry talk out of the way, which was very important, I mean, I started to talk about.

[David Lee Corbo]

This because I'm pretty sure there's a chapter in Genesis about that.

[Ed Mabry]

Is there is? Yeah. Thou shalt not do it. Another man's laundry. Yeah, you'll be stoned. Stone stones until death. But so where to find me? My main site, my legacy site is faithbyreason.net that's where like all my stuff is like all my blogs and podcasts that I've been doing for double digit years is there. My newest venture that I am really pointing people towards now because it's, it's, it's just a cool spot is my, my Patreon. Patreon.com faithbyreason. That's where I'm interacting with folks and we're chatting and we're direct messaging and if you become a Patreon, you, in addition to, you know, you know, having, having to be able to interact with me, you also get bonus episodes. You get Q&As. Actually I, I will have a Q and A up hopefully today. If not, I will at least have a bonus episode. I'm kind of behind in my bonus episodes. I'm going to put one up with a podcast. I, I have some podcasts that I've dealt with other, done with other people that are kind of having the bag. I want to share those with my Patreons. And if you want to level up and you can be part of my private Bible study that actually the next session is this Saturday. Excuse me, Sunday. Sunday. This Sunday at 10:00am Pacific Standard Time will be Bible Study Number Two. We're going through the entire Bible. We go through the entire Bible in a year, once a month with weekly study notes. But during the live sessions we're covering the entire Bible as from the supernatural point of view, from the spiritual perspective because again it's, it's not our story. It's Jehovah's story, which is why we call it that. And it's. And yeah, it's. It's been life changing to a lot of people. It was life changing to me. And it really. The whole purpose of it is to help you understand God better, to help your walk with God so that you know who he is. So that you won't know who he's nuts. When some person, some dangerous tard comes up and says, God is this, that or the other. You're like, no, no, no, I know who God is. So I, I will. I won't fall for it. I told the story a lot about my, my eighth grade trip. We were graduating from eighth grade. We went to Washington, D.C. and one of the places we went to was the U.S. mint, you know, where they print our fake money. And we talked to a guy there who was, he was in charge of counterfeiting. He was like the head of the department. And he said something really interesting. He said, you know, tell us how.

[Top Lobsa]

You really feel it.

[Ed Mabry]

I'm looking at the stock market and watching all my, my fake money appear and disappear magically. That's why I'm in a mood. The stock market's been like, getting its ass kicked the last week, but it's actually a buying opportunity. Sorry.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yes. That's what I saw it as. I. I bought more crypto when I have no idea what I'm doing, but I just know. I was like, oh, it's low. It's affordable. I'm gonna do it again.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah. Yes. Get some xrp. It's. It's just the money. It's the crypto the NSA sponsors.

[David Lee Corbo]

So, yeah, that's the one I picked up.

[Ed Mabry]

But anyway, so we asked him, like, how do you. How do you, how do you do your job? How do you make sure that all these different counterfeits are. How do you detect them? And he said that I don't study all the fake, all the fake bills. There's too many of them. What I do, I become an expert on the real money. You know, I know the colors, the shading, the fiber count, all that kind of stuff. So I know that. So. Well, that's so ingrained. So as soon as. So that if I see anything that's even slightly off, I'll know it's a counterfeit. That's. I think this should be the same way with God. Don't study all the false theories and all the. Everybody who has all their, you know, all Their, their different shenanigans, their different opinions and all their doctrines. Study the real God. And if you know who God really is, that anytime you see something that diverges from that, just, okay, I can throw that out. That's not, that's not real. That's how I, right.

[David Lee Corbo]

We saw the, the guy that recovered the, the egg shaped uap, the pilot, he's talking about how he was possessed by the spirit of God. But it was feminine. It was an incredibly feminine. Not, not masculine in any sense, I believe is the language that he used. And well, I mean if you don't know then maybe you could fall for that sort of thing. But if you do know, you can go, that's, that's not God, dog. You're being spoken to by something else. So yeah, very important to be able to discern especially during these times. I just watched a video of Roseanne Barr and she's saying maybe we'll bring that up. No, actually this is for the book Genesis.

[Ed Mabry]

Let's do that.

[David Lee Corbo]

But she's talking about their, the Jewish Messiah is soon going to appear and we've all got to get really right with. And, and what I would agree with Roseanne is like there's something on the horizon. Something is coming. It's going to be a large deception. So maybe there's never been a more important time to get right and to make sure that you know the difference.

[Top Lobsa]

Right now we have this Christ is King movement coming back along. And like part, part of me agrees with, with some of the people that are, are saying like it's a, it's a bit of an op. Like to use the phrase crisis king as a battering ram. And I'm like, I see how that's being used and I understand that. But the people that are vehemently against it, they're against it for a very specific reason. And it's not because their feelings are hurt. They're against it because they literally don't believe that. And it again. So if the Jewish Messiah is coming and you have most of the population in America, the Christian population saying Christ is King right around Easter, I could see how that would affect these people in a certain way. So I'm like, I really just hate it. I hate it so much that it's because it is being co opted by some people and used as a slur.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah.

[Top Lobsa]

But part of me is like good. Like you, you need good. I'm glad that it's being used and being said at all.

[Ed Mabry]

Right.

[David Lee Corbo]

Because it's going to be offensive in its nature.

[Ed Mabry]

Right.

[David Lee Corbo]

If they don't believe that Christ is the son of God, the, the Messiah, then of course just proclaiming that which is the central point of Christianity is offensive to them.

[Top Lobsa]

Yeah, it makes you mad. And I think it's also a good point. I've been, I've been kind of beating this drum for a little bit, but I looked up when the Mishnah was.

[Ed Mabry]

The Quarter Pounder with cheese had many great things. Maple flavored griddle cakes isn't one of them.

[Top Lobsa]

McDonald's breakfast comes first created when it was put together. The Mishnah is like the founding principles of Judaism and it was put together 200 years after the current era. So where I'm standing. And then also look at the Babylonian Talmud that was put together 500 years CE. That means after Jesus Christ. This is, this entire religion is a response to Jesus Christ. The church came right after Jesus. He actually instructed it. So your response 200 years later was to form this religion and then you've conveniently attached it to ours with your Scofield Bible with your ideas of Judeo Christianity in the West. No, not the case. Not the case at all. As a matter of fact. Get out of my religion. Stop talking about it. When we say Christ is king, this has nothing to do with you. If you're offended by it, whatever, take your bowl, go somewhere else. As a matter of fact, we did a whole world war for you to put you in Israel. You can go over there, but just leave us alone with this. We're doing something here and it's very frustrating. Jordan Peterson.

[David Lee Corbo]

But they're doing the opposite. They're not. They're not leaving us alone. They're trying to pass legislation that makes it hate speech to even talk about these things. And I wonder at what point does. Because if they're already passing anti Semitism laws and now they're trying to identify the phrase Christ is king with some sort of anti Semitic trope. Yeah. Then at what point do you start to try to create legislation to prevent me from saying that that is the opposite of leaving me the hell alone.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, it's interesting. I, I usually don't, you know, get too much into. Into politics. I mean, even though I, I recognize, but it's just not, it's not my, my lane on faith, bad reason. But I will say a couple things I want to bring out because I use the term Judeo Christian all the time. And by that I mean Old and New Testament. Yeah. And I mean that, that's, that's holistic. We believe as Christians that, that there's. There's no separation between the Testaments. As far as far as Christianity is concerned. It's not like there's one set of. There was one God and then there's a new God. And a lot of Christians believe that. They'll say that, you know, I, I'm a New Testament Christian. I only believe in the works of Jesus. I'm like, well, you wouldn't even know who Jesus was without the quote, unquote, Old Testament. There's no separation between the two. Jesus was predicted over 300 times in the Old Testament. Jesus was not a New Testament Christian. In fact, I would argue, and I've gotten in trouble for this before, and I don't. I would argue that the Gospels are Old Testament books. If you're talking. If a separation is between the Old Covenant and the New Covenant, the New Covenant doesn't start until Jesus resurrects. There is no church until he resurrects. So Jesus lived under the law. Jesus lived under the Levitical law. He, you know, and all of the disciples did. So Christianity, the New Testament really shouldn't start until the resurrection of Jesus. So, so that's why I want to make. Wanted to make that clear, that you can't have one without the other. So that's what I mean. I. What I don't mean is like, you know, what you were just talking about top about this separating the two. And like, there's a Judaism and Christianity. No, there. It's one, it's one message. And it just happens at Christians. For Christians, the message doesn't stop at Malachi. It, you know, it continues. And as far as Christ is king, well, Jesus was Jewish. So I, if that's offensive to you, it's not like, you know, he was like some Aryan guy who says, I'm, I'm. I'm the king now. But he was actually. He was a. Jesus was born an ethnic Jew from the tribe of Judah.

[Top Lobsa]

Well, this is, this is the question that I'm kind of asking here is like, all right, so if Jesus was a Jew, well, number one, what is a Jew? But what are these. What are these people considered? What are they? Because, like, like you said, the Old Testament looks like a continuation of the Bible. And then Jesus comes and fulfills it. And then the New Testament is basically about what he did. And then we have the Book of Revelation telling us at the end, these guys just kind of. They ignore that part. Then they take parts of the Old Testament. They conveniently ignore Isaiah 53. And some chapters in Daniel because it doesn't fit. And they create a Mishnah, which is like they're how they're going to rule, how they're going to look at society. But this is Also, this is 200 years after the death of Christ. So like he dies, you realize that there's this huge movement and then you start to organize. And now I'm supposed to like, as a current day Christian, we're supposed to look at this as like they are our, they are our greatest ally and our brothers. But I just don't think so. I think that this is they, they've been formed in response to what was what Jesus created and what we are doing here. And then, then you look at like the kind of subversion that we have going on. I'm like, it's just not good. And I would love to leave it alone. But it's just every week this comes up and every week I have to argue with somebody about the, these people and I'm like, I don't even know. So if Jesus was a Jew in the, in the sense that we're talking about, then what are these guys? They're, they're from like a similar bloodline, but they're not doing the same thing that we're doing. It's very confusing.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's even, even the idea that they're from a similar bloodline. This conversation. I think the reason it keeps getting rehashed so aggressively is because we can't even identify what a Jew is. You could be ethnically Jewish, you could be religiously Jewish, you could be atheist, Zionist, Jewish. Like I don't even understand what that means. And so it's like, is it a.

[Ed Mabry]

Race, is it a culture?

[David Lee Corbo]

Right? And you have people that are so at odds dichotomy wise with one another but still identify with each other as Jews. It becomes impossible to even have the conversation or have the argument because we can't even establish the these foundational things, what is a Jew. And so until that comes, I don't think, and I've been joking around, I think we need Matt Walsh. You know, he does what is a woman. He needs to do what is a Jew. He needs to hit the street and start figuring it out. Because I don't necessarily have an answer. It becomes very convoluted.

[Ed Mabry]

He might end up in jail if he does that. Because here's the thing, I'll just give you my two cents on it as far as what the Bible says. A actually let me say an Israelite is because that term Jude even don't really see it until, you know, later on because what happens is Israelite Jews were considered the, of, of the, of the tribe of Judah. That's where it comes from. And I, I'm trying not to get in trouble here. I, it says, it uses, is in the Bible uses it as, as, as an Israelite. And the Bible says that calls Israelites Jews. It also calls Israelites Israelites. I like to use the term Israelite because I want to be clear. I'm Talking about the 12 tribes, the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. So the Bible says that you are a. He makes these promises. His chosen people are the physical descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, specifically Jacob's 12 sons which make up the 12 tribes. But you can also become a, a Jew by, by accepting Judaism. And there's examples of that in the Bible. You have, you know, Rahab who was a Gentile in Jericho. She marries in. To. Into the, into. Into the tribes and she becomes one. And they have other people who, who have done this. You can become by marriage, by belief.

[Top Lobsa]

Or what would you call the, what would you call like Moses or the people after him? Were they like, were they studying Judaism? Because like, like I said, if we're.

[Ed Mabry]

Forming Judaism is, you know, I would define Judaism as more of a religion. And by religion I mean man made stuff. Is. I put in the same category as Catholicism. Yes, you could argue that a Catholic is a Christian because if they believe in the tenets of Christianity, but then they add things to it that are either extrapolations from the Bible or maybe not even biblical at all. I mean, I get into a lot of discussions with some hostile discussions with people who are very devout Catholics because I'll tell them there are things that you have in your, in your catechisms that are either conflict with or contradict the Bible. You're only supposed to worship. Worship the Lord your God and him only show you worship. But they worship Mary. And I was oh no, we don't, we don't worship Mary. We just revere her. Well, you pray to her. The Pope John Paul II says she was your co. Redeemer. Maybe we have different ideas of what worship is, but if you're praying to someone and you're relying on them as a portion of your salvation, that sounds like worship to me. And even if you, even if we want to, you know, have quibble on what worship means, the Bible is very clear that it's Jesus alone for your salvation. If you believe in something else, if you believe you have to take a Eucharist for a certain amount of times to be saved. If you have to do indulgences and all this kind of stuff, you're adding things on to the Bible. I'm not saying you're not, not a Christian. If you believe that Jesus died for your sins according to the Scriptures, I will acquiesce that you're a Christian. But you're doing things that are above and beyond. So I see the same thing with Judaism. I would, I would actually call someone who is pure into that, someone who follows the Torah. The Torah are the books of Moses and the Torah and Tanakh, the, the law and the prophets. If Judaism adds things onto that. And that's why Jesus was always fighting with the Pharisees. And he told them, you, you know, you guys heap up these, these new conditions that you put on men for your own sake. Remember when Jesus was on Earth, the only people he had a problem with, it wasn't. It wasn't the tax collectors, it wasn't the prostitutes, it wasn't the sinners, or. He only had a problem with the religious people, the Pharisees. And because he said that the Pharisees were putting all these extra burdens on men that God didn't tell them to, that they had to do. And the reason that Jesus, that, that took Jesus off so much is because it misrepresents God. So if you put all these burdens like, you know, you can't pick an ear of corn on the Sabbath to eat if you're hungry. God never said that. He said you shouldn't work. He didn't say you can't, you can't pull a piece of corn off, off a cob and, and have something if you're hungry. That's. And if, and if you think that that's who God is, you're like, okay, this God is so restrictive. I, I have to, you know, sequester myself on the Sabbath and not do anything. Now you have a harsh opinion of God and that's going to affect the rest of your theology. And that's why I, I think I've said it on this show before. Catholics make the best atheists. Because really logical thinking people who are raised in Catholicism, they see all this stuff that the Catholics say they have to do. In fact, I was listening to Candace Owens yesterday, and she was like, she just said off the cuff, you know, yeah, and I have to make sure I go to Mass because if you don't go to Mass on Sunday, it's a sin. Okay? That is not biblical. So if, what if you're sick and you can't go to a mass? What if you're traveling? So you tell me that God is going to hold you accountable for that, that that's a sin, not going to a service. No, God never says that. That is something that man puts on top of what God said. And it makes you think that God is this horrible restrictive dictator. And you, and, and, and if you're raising that and you're like, I don't want all this stuff on me. If, if I don't confess my sins to a priest, I'm gonna go to hell. Screw that. I'm gonna, I don't believe in this guy. So that's the problem. It misrepresents God. And that's what, by the way, that's what taking the name of God in vain means. It doesn't mean cursing. Taking the name of the Lord in vain means making vain means of no effect. Basically, if you take the name of God, you're misrepresenting God. The corpano with cheese had many great things. Maple flavored griddle cakes isn't one of them.

[Top Lobsa]

McDonald's breakfast comes, comes first.

[Ed Mabry]

And you're making, you're making him vain. You're making it futile by doing these sorts of things. You are, you're taking. Because someone's name isn't just, you know, because God isn't a name. God's a title. It's Elohim. What, when, when you're taking his name in vain, what you're doing is you're misrepresenting him and you're making him of no effect by doing that. So back to the thing. That's what Judaism is doing. That's what Catholicism does. It makes his, his name of no effect by adding all this, all the stuff from men. So if you are, if you happen to be a believer in the Torah and Tanakh and you're not and you don't believe in Jesus, then, then all you should, all you have to, all you're doing is obeying the Levitical law. Fine. But when you're doing Judaism, like you said, top, that's new stuff that happened. That, that, that was put on top of it. So, you know, we need to, we need to understand these things. And that's why I said it's so important to understand who God is, right? What, what his true will is. So you're not going to fall for all this stuff.

[Top Lobsa]

I feel like I agree with you 100. I just feel like I'm Stuck in this place where I have to like, have these definitions because it's. Now that we're talking into a microphone, I have to explain to people. And if I say Judaism, it's like, what does that mean? You're talking about from the times of Moses or this new stuff. And it's like, there has to be definitions so that people can delineate what we are, what we mean when I say something. But instead it's just Jew. And it's like, well, Jesus was a Jew, but so like everybody else is a Jew. And I'm talking about Judaism. And like, this is like age old. Like, what specifically do you mean? When I. The reality is, and I. People in church and good, good people will tell you, you got to know God. It's like, I understand that, but like, what we're doing here, I feel like I have to know a little bit more.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, I would almost say top that. That's the, the burden of the time that we're living in, right? Because Revelation 3. 9 says that they will call themselves Jews, but are not. They are of the synagogue of Satan. So it's, it's very clear that there's going to be this obfuscation. There's going to be people that are claiming to be, but are not. And I think that this conversation, the confusion that we're having right now is what enables that prophecy to become true. Right. You can't really have people masquerading as one thing if it's easy to see through, especially if it's going to be biblical prophecy. So I think you're right in, in, you know, tangoing with these ideas. But I think it's also just the burden of the time that we're in.

[Top Lobsa]

Let me ask Ed, do you think, do you think it's right for me to not just tango in these ideas, but to also say, like, hey, like, I, I think to the Christian movement, like, you don't have to really like, lay down and accept if, if this doesn't feel right in your heart. Because I think a lot of people see this stuff and they're like, this doesn't sit right with me. But I really don't want to. Jesus said to kind of like, you know, love your neighbor and sit back. But I'm, I'm of the mindset. I was like, but he also doesn't really want you to take this. And when, when we hear it, it's super effective because it's, it's permeating through our culture. So now we sit back as Christians and just say like, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna say anything because it might hurt somebody and it is hurtful. What I'm saying, what I'm saying. I, like, I understand that my words cut like a knife, but like, damn, somebody's got to say it or we're just going to continue to spiral and devolve. And what's the answer there? Do I sit back and do nothing or am I doing the right thing?

[Ed Mabry]

So let me take the two things. So one, I understand the mindset of the Christian who says, well, I can't criticize the Jews. And really the reason I know that mindset is because I grew up in it. I wouldn't say that my church were Christian Zionists per se, but I think it has, maybe it goes back to Schofield and all that kind of stuff. And we have to have a show on the Schofield Bible because I'm, because I've been getting a lot of questions about that, but that's a whole other thing. But I was taught that, you know, the Jews are, they're God's chosen people. And you know, and then you have the Abrahamic blessing, you know, I will bless them that bless you and curse them to curse you. So I'm like, well, I guess I better not say anything bad because I don't want to be under that curse. But also understand something that what, what a curse is. A curse is speaking badly about someone, a blessing speaking well about them. And so, but that, that, that the admonition to bless them and curse them was, was meant towards again, the actual, the actual descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. If, and if we have to make sure that we're talking about them and also we have to make sure that they are being obedient. Because if you look throughout the Old Testament, God says some really harsh things about them. I mean, the two thirds of the Old Testament is just God kicking the crap out of Israel because they keep screwing up. And he's called them whatever you want to say badly about these people. You can't say anything worse than what God said about them. I mean, I don't have off the top of my head, but I, I just remember, you know, there are things where he calls him, you know, stubborn, stiff necked. He would, you know, say that, you know, you guys are as dumb as camels. There's actually a verse I think in Jeremiah that says, you guys are as dumb as a bunch of camels. He says that. I wish I had to chapter verse in front of Me, maybe I'll find and send it later. So if God can criticize him, then, you know, so then I don't see any reason why we can't. And, and to get to what you were saying before, tops, that, yeah, Jesus says to yet love your enemies. But what was, what did Jesus mean when he said, when he said that? And I think a lot of us have this cultural Jesus in our head, like this, you know, super nice, lovable human teddy bear who never got angry or never did anything other than just say, peace and love, brother. No, Jesus also beat the crap out of people in the temple for who were, who were changing money. And I think we talked about this before. Like, he just said, hey, get out of my father's house. He said, okay, I'll be back. I'm gonna go and make a whip. I'm gonna tie ropes together and come in and turn over your tables and physically beat you out of the temple.

[Top Lobsa]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

So this is something. Oh, I'm sorry, Ed, go ahead.

[Ed Mabry]

No, well, just, just to wrap it up, when he's talking about love your neighbor, well, what does that mean? He's expounding on the law. He was saying, you've heard it in your day, you know, to, you know, love your, love your neighbor and hate your enemy. I'm telling you not to love your enemy. And what is love? Love is giving without the expectation of getting anything in return. It's not a feeling. It doesn't mean you have to like these people. It means you have to give to them without expecting anything to return in return. Giving can also be admonitions. If you, if someone is doing something wrong and you love them, you're not going to say, keep doing what's wrong. You're going to say, hey, you are doing. You're screwing up. You need to get it together. But I love my sons. When my sons are screwing up, if they're, if they're like, you know, my youngest son, he's been having trouble doing his homework. He's just been ignoring it. What would be loving for me to say, oh, it's okay, son, you don't like doing your homework, it's fine. Just go play on your, on your Nintendo Switch. No, the loving thing was to say, get your ass back upstairs, do your homework, because this is what's going to be best for you in the long run. Right? So all that is my long winded answer to you, top is basically saying admonishing people for their sake is love. And if you're admonishing people now, if you're doing it just to be mean to them, that's not love. But if you're saying, hey, you guys are wrong, and because you're wrong, you're going to harm yourself, here's. Maybe you should consider this, because then you'll be right, and then you'll be helping yourself, that's loving. If someone's on drug, you don't tell them, hey, here's some more coke. Say, no, get off drugs, even if I have to drag you out of there and, you know, and take your money from you.

[Top Lobsa]

I think the tricky part for me is that I understand what's successful when talking to, like, a large. Because I'm not just talking to them. This is. There's an audience. You know, it's a. It's very much like. Like a heckler on stage. So I'm not just addressing you. I'm speaking to you and the broader audience. And if. If I want to just talk to you, I'll DM you and I'll be honest and truthful with you. But most of these people that are given these. These stupid statements or they're creating propaganda videos, I'm responding to them in a broad brush because I understand that you are partaking in this. So I will partake in this, and we'll talk to the audience. And then there comes this level of sarcasm and comedy and flippancy that I have to display to get my point across. And it seems mean, but I'm like, I don't really want to kill you. I just kind of want you to stop. And I think, you know, you're doing the wrong thing. And it. It's just a weird. What a weird time. I'd rather not be done at the.

[David Lee Corbo]

End of Dangerous Retards Yesterday. And I think that, you know, there's. There's this history of, like, martyred saints, like, decapitated saints who are still proclaiming the name of Jesus Christ. Yeah, right. And it's like, so Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the life and the adversary. Satan is the father of lies. So there's this. There's this fight, this constant fight between, you know, truth and lies. And it's always been dangerous to tell the truth. And so in that way, like, you know, if we're worried about whether it's aggressive or it's mean, it's like, this is what ends up getting people decapitated. So you're gonna say it, and you're gonna say it with your whole chest, because I kind of think that's the point, that's why we're here in, in very many ways, is to speak the truth. And so if you hope to be in alignment with the truth, you're in a very dangerous business. And I don't think that you go about that worrying about feelings. I just don't think that that's. In fact, we got to much of the problems we're in right now worrying about feelings.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, well, I just want to read something really quick to you from, From. From this nice, sweet guy. I want to, once you hear what he said. But woe unto you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you shut up. The kingdom of heaven against men. For you entered not in yourselves. You enter not in yourselves. Neither do you allow others to enter in that gate. What is Jesus saying here? He is cursing the Pharisees. Why? Because. Because they were doing harm. So my point with that is it is very Christlike to call somebody out if they are doing something wrong, that is harming other people. He didn't say, hey, Pharisees, come to me and repent. You guys are going to be. It's going to be. He said, no, you guys suck. And the reason you suck is because you are screwing things up for other people through your words. So if there is nothing wrong with righteous anger, if there is, then Jesus was wrong because Jordan, Jordan Peterson, he quoted that scripture.

[Top Lobsa]

Oh, can you hear me now?

[David Lee Corbo]

Is that me or No, I can hear you tap.

[Ed Mabry]

Okay, maybe this is. Maybe this is on my end because I cannot hear you guys anymore.

[Top Lobsa]

All right.

[David Lee Corbo]

Either of us. Yeah. Refresh.

[Top Lobsa]

Re.

[David Lee Corbo]

I see.

[Ed Mabry]

This is.

[David Lee Corbo]

This means refresh.

[Ed Mabry]

Okay, I'm gonna, I'm gonna leave and come back.

[David Lee Corbo]

There you go.

[Ed Mabry]

Sorry, guys.

[David Lee Corbo]

What were you going to say though? Because I think it's fascinating. Top that. Jordan Peterson, the guy who tried to reduce the Bible to. I mean, he introduced it to a lot of people. And I was. I was happy at a time, but then I realized that he's reduced it almost strictly to allegory and he's removed all the spirituality from it. And, and so I find it fascinating that he's the guy that's doing this study or co authoring this. You know, Christ is King is anti Semitic report.

[Ed Mabry]

Dakota Ponda with cheese had many great things. Maple flavored griddle cakes. Is it one of them?

[Top Lobsa]

McDonald's breakfast comes first.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah.

[Top Lobsa]

And it's, It's. I think it's very useful to look at the Bible in that way as well. But it's. It's not Specifically that way. But yeah, it's a great book that you should look at from a bunch of different angles. I don't. He. He blocked me, so I don't really have his. His entire tweet thread. Here. Here's it. Ed's back.

[David Lee Corbo]

Okay. Oh, sorry.

[Top Lobsa]

Okay. Can you hear me now?

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, I guess I was saying something dangerous. I got. I got.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's what happened. You got nuked. That's what. Yeah, they start screwing with the.

[Top Lobsa]

I was saying that that exact scripture that you just read was quoted by Jordan Peterson as a tool against Candace Owens for saying. So this is now. Now I'm like, I have to go after these people because they know what they're doing and they're dabbling in this. Like Jordan Peterson, who, when asked if. If he believes in God, he's just, well, what do you mean by God? And what do you mean by do? And it's like, just yes or no, Jordan. But then when Candace Owens is out there and she's not right about everything either, I don't really agree with her about much, to be honest. But in this, I think she's like, you know, on the right track, and he's calling her the Pharisee, when in fact, I'm like, jordan, you work for Talmudic Jewish people who hate Jesus. They've compared him to George Floyd. It's like, yeah, it's. It's wild how awful they have been. And we're like, we're supposed to sit there. All right, listen, we have to cover the book of Genesis.

[Ed Mabry]

Yes.

[Top Lobsa]

I'm sorry, Ed.

[Ed Mabry]

I was. I'm as guilty of it as you guys, as everyone here, because it's just. I get. We were talking before the show about how, you know, when you see a design flaw, it's something. It gets you upset and you have to deal with it. When I see the same thing in doctrine, I can't sit still. I. When I see that flaw, I've got to address it. And this is a. This is a tough subject. And I want to bring up one more thing before we get into Genesis, because something Raven said, like. Like, we seem to be heading towards a very odd time. I mean, I've been hearing about 2025 as being some type of pivotal year for, honestly, almost 30 years. I first heard it in the 90s, and I said, okay, whatever, 2025, that's. That's a long time away. I'm going to be an old guy then, which I am now. So I didn't it. But the truth is, here we Are. And I was listening to a podcast about. From these two weird looking. It's like man, man and wife who were like, apparently have a connection to the aliens of the Pleiades. And they channel them and they give. They get messages from him. And I was just morbidly curious because I don't know. Oh shoot, I don't remember. I. If I can look it up because it's probably in my YouTube feed. But they call these Pleiadians. They talk to. Oh God, now I've gotta look it up. But I'll keep talking about while I'm looking it up. Anyway, they were saying that, you know, March 21st is when the Kali Yuga ends. And you know, they're expecting this major next week. Dog. What are we.

[Top Lobsa]

What are you talking about?

[David Lee Corbo]

Right, we talk about that a lot. Like that that kind of does track because the Kali Yuga ends by fire. And, and, and God isn't going to destroy the world with water again, right? It's. It's going to be fire. And also there's this idea that within the Zacharias Sitchin school of thought, I believe that this, you know, Nibiru was going to enter our, our general vicinity. It's going to throw our magnetic poles out of whack and it's going to end in like fiery cataclysm. So there's like a lot of stuff that points to this idea of like, yeah, the Kali Yuga ending and, and what have you. I think it's a bad definition of what's going on, but it's one that was given to them by the fallen.

[Ed Mabry]

Well, I have to. I tried to look it up. I forgot. I think I just erased it from my watches, watch history because I didn't want to pollute in my phone. But this man. And always like just these weird looking people. I'm like, you know what? If I saw you on the street, I would run the other way. You just look like there's something off with you. This guy had like the biggest forehead I ever saw in my life. He's like, you could like show a movie on it. And, and you know, when they were. And they channeled these, these Pleiadians who gave this message. And I want to hear it because every time I hear a message from these so called aliens, it's always the same message. It's always like the truth sandwiched into lie into a lie. And you know, and so she channeled this thing live and allegedly and it was telling her, yeah, this, you know, is Cali Yuka is about to end and you just have to be about love and peace. And. And then she. Then they said, well, you know, there's some people who are ready for this shift and some people are not. The people who are not, well, they may like disappear someplace and go to another planet. Like that sounds like the Rapture.

[David Lee Corbo]

Interesting. By the way, Ed, I'm sorry, say again. There's a tick tock video I saw just the other day where a guy is complaining basically of having like waking or walking sleep paralysis. He's on tick tock.

[Ed Mabry]

This is.

[David Lee Corbo]

This phenomenon is becoming more widespread and he essentially locks up, becomes paralyzed. But he's standing in his kitchen and his head cocks, backs, and he looks at the ceiling and long story short, he's transported. His consciousness is transported to some sort of like boardroom meeting. He can't see because he's too busy looking at the ceiling. He can't control his body. But he says, I don't know, it was like some sort of council, which we keep hearing. There's a Galactic Federation, there's a Council of nine, there's a body of entities that are. They have a vested interest in our ascension.

[Ed Mabry]

And the Quarter Pounder with cheese had many great things. Maple flavored griddle cakes isn't one of them.

[Top Lobsa]

McDonald's breakfast comes first.

[David Lee Corbo]

And then these things. The conversation that he's overhearing is like, yeah, people are waking up. They're waking up in, in masses now and the time is going to be soon. And, and this one in particular is very strong. They always do that, by the way. They like butter you up and tell you you're special. Yeah, of course, they love doing that, the Pleiadians or what the hell ever.

[Ed Mabry]

Grock 3. By the way, obviously you're special.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, yes, we were talking about that. Grok treats me like I am so much smarter than I am. I'm like Grok. I am acutely aware that I'm a retard. Don't butter me up. But I see it a lot. There is that notion of ascension. There's this idea that people are waking up and, and that you know something's going to happen. So, yeah, it's. It's a lot.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, I thought that was just really interesting that they said that they're like preparing people. Yeah, there'll be some people who aren't ready for it. They'll just be taken away to another planet. But don't worry, they'll be fine. Those of us who are in light, who are the special ones Then, you know, we'll. We'll. They'll get the special enlightenment that's coming on.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's funny, because if. If the rapture is going to happen, then yeah, that'll be the explanation. Not that Jesus Christ spared people, you know, certain people who were chosen or what have you, but that they just weren't ready yet. So they're going to like, a little bit. They need like an after school program.

[Ed Mabry]

On the short bus to.

[David Lee Corbo]

Exactly.

[Ed Mabry]

Remedial training.

[David Lee Corbo]

So, yeah, like they were retards. Don't worry about them.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah. So. Very interesting. All right. So. Yeah, there we are.

[David Lee Corbo]

All right. And now we're going to get into the Book of Revelation. I mean, the book of Genesis.

[Ed Mabry]

Why not? So where do we leave off? Last time, I think we were talking about angelic civilizations last time. That, that's. There are the angels, what we call angels. The Elohim were the first intelligent life, that life that God created. And he created them like the only reason you would make any life to interact with it. And they were the first ones to occupy the heavens and the earth, the spiritual realm and the physical realm. They were both created in Genesis 1:1. And we talked about some of the different types of angels. You have, you know, the cherubim, you have the seraphim, you have the watchers, you have the archangels. And we went over all that. But then we. I think where we left off was the idea that there had. That there was some type of primordial rebellion. Because we see the results of it in Genesis 1, verse 2, where it says, you know, in the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth in verse two. And the earth was desolate, chaotic and desolate. And we know that God did not create the world that way. Just we. We can just look at metaphysics and the fact that you cannot create chaos. That's an oxymoron. Chaos is the measurement of the lack of order. So order has to exist first before there can be chaos. And we also know it biblically because in the Book of. I didn't.

[Top Lobsa]

Oh, no.

[Ed Mabry]

Issue the Jeremiah, Isaiah. Thank you. Where. He's. Where it says that when God created the world, when he formed it in the water and out of the water formed it to be inhabited, he made it not in vain. And that word for vain is the same word that we see here. Tohu va bohu in. In Hebrew. So it says blatantly that God did not create the world chaotic. Because there's some folks who will tell you, who will. We're gonna talk about the gap theory. And there's a controversy around that. And there are two sides. And the people who. And the gap theory is basically the idea that there is a gap of time between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2. I believe that as well. But then there are divergence of the gap theory that we'll talk about. But people who don't believe that there was a gap, that there were. That these verses just go, you know, sequentially without any period of time between them, believe that God just made the world chaotic. He just, you know, just spat out a bunch of matter. Then he started shaping it. You know, just the same way a sculpture will get like, you know, just. Just a random stone, this piece of marble. Then he'll carve, you know, something out of it. He'll carve a statue out of it. So he takes that chaotic slab of marble. It brings order to it by slowly chiseling it away. Or like a painter just starts with, like, you've probably seen where someone can just throw a bunch of paint onto a canvas in different colors. Then they'll just start doing some things with it and make it. And make it beautiful. That's. But that. Again, that's not what God did. Not only because, you know, there is no. There has to be order before that. There has to be an order of thought. There has to be an. Or. Someone had to make the. The marble. Someone had to create the paint. So God did not create a chaotic. It became chaotic. In fact, when you look at the word in the Hebrew, that word for was can be easily translated became. So the earth became chaotic and. And desolate. Why? Well, something had to happen for that. So something bad, obviously. So that leads us to the idea of an angelic rebellion. And if you keep reading Genesis 1:2, where it says. If you want. Don't I bring it up again. Top. I just want to show this. There's a couple of words here that. And I go over this in. I think it's like the third episode of the Genesis series, which is up on. On Faith by reason and on YouTube. It says, okay, without form of word. And darkness was on the face of the deep. That word deep is the word teom. Okay, stay with that. Then the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. The word for waters is mayim. Mayim means chaos. So the spirit of God was moving, was hovering over the face of some chaos. But let's go back up. Darkness was on the face of the deep. The deep. The word teom in Sumerian is the word tiamat. Tiamat and Sumerian is a seven headed dragon. So and the, the Hebrew equivalent of Tiamat is Leviathan. So what I believe this is actually saying is that there was darkness was put upon the, the face or, or upon this dragon beast. And this is a spiritual entity. We talked about it last week that there are a class of angelic beings that are reptilian, that are fiery serpents. This appears to be one of them. And this appears to be the main rebel. You know, there you go. If you ever played the old Dungeons and Dragons game, like the main, I think the biggest villain or whatever, the biggest, the biggest monster is Tiamat. It's a Sumerian seven headed dragon. And we see, we see that in the Bible. We see him, this a seven headed dragon also in, in Revelation, which leads some people to believe this is Satan. I don't now and I'll tell you why in a bit. But so it says that darkness was on the face of the deep. So dark. So where did the darkness come from? Darkness is a measurement of the absence of light. God is light. There's no darkness in him at all. So the original creation was full of light. This darkness means that that light was withdrawn by God. This is a punishment. This is God taking away his light from. And, and now he's basically. And, and so you have the, the darkness was on the face of the deep in the spirit of God. The, the ruach Elohim moved, was moving, hovering over the face of the water. So what you have here is this idea of the spirit of God standing over this dragon. Basically, God just kicked his ass. He just, he just won this fight, which of course he would. So this is a, he's in a position of victory over this creature. Whatever.

[David Lee Corbo]

I kind of like that. That's. You ever see like a film that opens up. I'm not saying this is the exact same thing, but a movie will open up with like sort of some aspect of the climax, right? Like somebody being defeated or something. And then it'll start from the beginning and go over there. In, in some ways it like, I'm like, that's a great opening to this story is God kicking the, out of this, this entity and then we go from there. That's a, it's a good way to catch your attention too.

[Top Lobsa]

The greatest story ever told. Right?

[David Lee Corbo]

That's what I was gonna say. Yeah. God is literally the, the greatest storyteller.

[Ed Mabry]

Well, yeah. Well, I mean the Bible is way more interesting than we give it credit for because if you, if you. And in the Q A that's going to be out today for, for Patreons. We talk about versions of the Bible because I get that question all the time, which version of the Bible should we use? And I get my answer to that. One of the things I say early on is, you know, the Bible, if you have their translations, they're translating the original Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic into English. And the translators, for the most part, did the best they could. They do it generally a good job. But a lot of times their translation is informed by their interpretation. So if your interpretation is that, you know, this is just this, that, you know, God just made the world and it was dark and he made light, well, you're gonna, you're gonna look at all the different possible translations of the word deep and say, well, you know, there's a translation that makes us a dragon, but that doesn't sound right. I'm just going to say deep or deep, something like that. So that's why it's so important to have an interlinear Bible where you can look at all everything this word could mean and then look at the context and say, what's happening here? And if the context is there was some type of rebellion that caused this, then you need to look at, okay, what word here matches what might have happened during a rebellion. And if you also know that there are. And if one of the words is a dragon, like, being, and you know that there is a class of angelic beings that are basically giant serpents, then, well, there you go.

[Top Lobsa]

So don't you think, do you think that this, this fall of angels is the, the one that we see at Mount Hermon, or were there specific? Because I know that there is a secondary fall of angels. Is this a third?

[Ed Mabry]

Or I, I think there are multiple falls. I don't think that there's. Because we tend to look at the ones that are vivid and just think those are the only ones. Like, for example, like, like Mount Hermon, which you just talked about, or like in Revelation chapter 12, where it says that, you know, the dragon took a third of the stars with his tail and threw them down to Earth. That doesn't mean those are the only two. I think we can. I don't think that these beings only fell once. I think that at various times they can fall. Fall. An angel could fall. Now it's like, decide, you know what? Yeah, I don't like what's going on here. I think I'm. I don't know why they would, but they seem to happen at different points and that's why I don't believe that this Leviathan is the one we call the devil and Satan, because I don't think he falls until Genesis chapter three. Because again, he was in Eden, the garden of God. God was in Eden. Evil cannot be in the presence of God, which means that before he fell, he. When he was in the garden, he was a good guy. Says it very blatantly in Ezekiel 28. You were in Eden, the garden of God. Eden isn't created until after this rebellion. So this Leviathan was the first rebel. We see Leviathan again in the Book of Isaiah, where. And God talks about how he's going to, you know, keep punishing Leviathan, and he's locked under the sea. In the book of Job, when God is. Is giving a rhetorical response to Job, he says, can you draw Leviathan with a hook? You know, I'm greater than you. I mean, I kicked Leviathan's ass. You couldn't even. You can't even fish for him is essentially what he's saying. So at this point, at the point of the Book of Job, which is, you know, he's contemporary with, with. With Abraham, Leviathan's already locked under the sea. God's already punished him, and he's punished him to be in the sea. And the seas are chaotic. And. And there's also an idea, a possibility that Jonah, it was swallowed by Leviathan. That's a whole other thing, but very provocative, that that was the sea creature that swallowed him and then spat him. Then Bobbitter went back up before he. He went to Nineveh. So the point is, you have this original rebellion. What caused rebellion? Again, we. We don't see that in this verse. We have to infer that from other things we see. So what causes rebellion in general? What is the origin of sin? The origin of sin is pursuing something beyond what God allotted you. What was the sin of Adam and Eve? They wanted to be like the Elohim. That's not what God made them for. He made them to be the rulers of the earth. He did not make them to be the Elohim. But Eve said, hey, if I eat this fruit, I will be like the Elohim. I want to be beyond what God wanted for me. And that's what the sin was. You know, why did the fallen angels. What was their sin? In Genesis chapter 6 with the Nephilim, they wanted be something beyond what God allotted for them. They wanted more. They wanted to improve on God's plan. They wanted to make their own spiritual, physical hybrids. The Nephilim which they felt were greater than humans. So if we take that back to why would this rebellion have occurred? Apparently this Leviathan and obviously other angelic beings fell as well because there was, you know, a war that causes desolation. They must have wanted something beyond what God allotted them. Not exactly. Not entirely sure what that is, but they wanted something. We can speculate what they might have wanted. Maybe, maybe they wanted to create these. Maybe they wanted to create some type of spiritual physical hybrids. Maybe they weren't willing to create something and be more like God. Because that's my only. That's the only thing I can really think of. Because if they. If the only things that existed were God and the Elohim, maybe they said, well, we can. We can do what you did. We can do something. You know, we can. We want something beyond what you've told us is our position. And obviously it didn't work out. And then that's when you get into all of these various, you know, legends of the gods and. And the wars of the gods that become corrupted over time but. But end up in every culture. You know, if you look at the Greek gods, there's this. There's the primordial rebellion where you had, you know, Kronos and Gaia, these, you know, the old, old gods, and Kronos kept eating his kids, you know, Zeus and. And all those, you know, and then. Until someone cut his belly open and they all popped out. But then, you know, then they would fight with the Titans. But every one, that's just one example. But every one of these ancient cultures, these ancient religions, all have a story of a primordial rebellion where the gods fought each other. And then humanity was created. And of course, you have it here in the Bible as well. But as we said very early on, the purpose of. Of Genesis was God telling Moses here is the truth for. For the Israelites so that they know the truth of what happened, even though they've heard all these legends that are corruptions of the original. Of the original flood story, of the original creation mythology and in here of that original rebellion. So this rebellion happened. It's in every culture. But God is telling me this is how it really happened, and I'm the one who won it. Because it all. And all of those rebellions end with, like, the chief God beating up the enemy and taking over. You know, Zeus would defeat Kronos. You'd have, you know, Inky and Enlil. They, you know, all of these different gods, they always defeat the rebels. You know, with Ra you know, Ra defeats, you know, Toth or Typhon, whoever. You know, I'm not as up on the Egyptian mythology as I used to know it really well, but I. He defeats their serpent God, interestingly. And then Ra is a chief God, and then Osiris and then Horus and all that kind of stuff. So the point is that they all have a similar story. There's rebellion, the chief God beats his enemy, and then man is created. And that's.

[David Lee Corbo]

Speaking of similar stories, this is actually pretty fascinating. Chasing the comments here said the newest Aquaman movie was about being trapped underwater slash ice. A being who's trapped underwater, slash ice, who uses telepathic powers to trick a human into freeing him. Sounds like that beast of the sea and that we were just talking about the other day where in my son was watching a Ninja Turtles movie. I think I told you guys about this. And the whole thing is like, there are things that are trapped in another dimension that are communicating with Donnie, the guy who makes all the tech or the turtle who makes all the tech, and they're convincing him that they're trapped there and they need to be freed. So he creates the tech to free them. And then it turns out that they're like, you know, ancient adversarial entities that were locked in there, imprisoned in there. So that's pretty fascinating. That theme seems to pop up again and again.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, well, I think they will. They are going to be freed in Genesis. Excuse me, Revelation, chapter six. When. When the. With the six. When the six seals open and. And they're all allowed to. They're either. They're tossed out from the heavens when the stars fall from heaven, and then when the earthquake happens and releases the ones that are trapped under the earth. And then you also have the ones that are trapped in River Euphrates who are. Who are released. So they're all released later. So the. The quote unquote, old gods are coming back. And you hear that a lot about these esoteric. They're coming, they're almost here, because they know when it's close. They may not know exactly when it's going to happen because no man knows the day of the hour. And by the way, that. Can I just put this out there. When they said, when Jesus said no man knows the day or the hour, he is not talking about the Rapture. Everyone always associates that with the Rapture. And it really. And I don't know why, because Jesus in Matthew 24 is not talking about the Rapture, he's talking about his second Coming. He says, no one knows the day of the hour of my coming. But that's not to say that you can predict when the rapture is going to happen, but I'm saying you can't. I believe it's going to be a mystery as well. But you can't use that verse to, to, to justify because Jesus is, it's not a rapture verse, it's a, the disciples asking when is your coming gonna happen? So, but, so the point is they don't know exactly when, but they know when it's close. They can feel it. They know that. They know God's times and seasons.

[Top Lobsa]

Well, what do you think, what do you think the time difference would be from him coming versus a rapture?

[Ed Mabry]

Well, again, I believe in all three raptures. So I believe that the first rapture of believing church will happen before the seven year period of time called the tribulation. And Jesus will return after the tribulation. I think the reason no one knows the day or the hour, notice he doesn't say the year or the month because when the tribute, when they're marching, Armageddon, you know, it's close. But the Jewish people have to pray. They have to acknowledge whoever they are. The Jews have to acknowledge, hey, we screwed up, we missed our, our Savior and we have to acknowledge him. And it says in the book of Hosea, three days later he'll return. So I don't think you know exactly when the Jews are going to make that prayer and then you know, the three days later, they don't, they don't know when that's going to happen.

[David Lee Corbo]

I have been not bothered but you know, petition by some well meaning little seasoners who are trying to convince me that I am wasting my time talking about different entities and deities and lowercase g gods because we're just at a different point in the timeline. And that is all a deception and a distraction. And it's very nice that somebody has it all figured out. I don't have it all figured out, so I'll continue to fumble around in the dark. But to me, I just can't put that notion to bed because two reasons. One is it's incredibly compelling and I think that it can win over a lot of minds when it comes to like showing them that picture of like, look, we're not saying these other religions didn't have real deities, those are real deities. And, and here's what they are. But the other thing is because people are having dreams and visions of being recruited by these deities currently in real time in this day and age. And I myself have seen entities and, and things of that nature. So, you know, I'll have to ask the little season community to forgive me and my foolishness. I'm not willing to let this one go just because somebody else has it figured out.

[Top Lobsa]

Little seasoners. And then like, like the dude with the salt, I just really like that.

[David Lee Corbo]

They mean well, but they're very, they're very concerned and I'm flattered that you would be concerned about the direction that my, my show is going in, but I simply can't let that one go anytime soon, you know.

[Ed Mabry]

But you guys know where I stand on the little season. I've done many shows on it. In fact, I'm, I, I'm going to be on the, on tinfoil hat at some point in the future. But still, we're getting the date there where I, I'm going to be going on after this one guy, Paul Stobbs, I believe.

[David Lee Corbo]

Paul stabs. I love Paul Stobbs. He does a show called Understanding Conspiracy.

[Top Lobsa]

He's the little season guy.

[David Lee Corbo]

He's. And he's great. He's a.

[Top Lobsa]

If you're gonna, if you're going on after him, I suggest that you look at all of his stuff because you'll have the opportunity to rebut him point by point. He has, like, a plethora of work on it.

[Ed Mabry]

So, yeah, I listen to one of his, I've listened to a couple of his podcasts and I hear stuff. I'm like, yeah, dude, you're still. I mean, I don't want to make this a little season show, so I won't, I'll just, I'll, I'll just say that I've heard his evidence and he'll. And the problem that I have in the big picture with the folks who try to justify the little season and that these things have already happened, that all the tribulations already happened, the Jesus already came back. And they'll say, well, you know, there's all these evidence of cataclysms that have happened. There's. We have, we see buildings being melted and all this kind of stuff. Great. I will acquiesce that cataclysms have happened. We can hop on a plane right now and go to Japan and visit Hiroshima and we can see melted buildings. It's not, it's not whether or not things have cataclysms have happened. Do they match? The Bible prophecy is not vague. God's prophecies are precise. They happen exactly the way God says they're going to happen. And exactly when he says they're going to happen, they don't. They are not. Prophecy is not analog. It's digital. It is precise. So you can't say, well, this kind of looks like what God says, so it must know it's exactly like it. God. If God said that at the end of the tribulation every mountain and island is going to disappear, then know what that means? Every mountain and island is going to disappear. So if there are still mountains and islands, then it hasn't happened yet. And if you want to take that, well, you know, there was a great shaking and there were these earthquakes. Great. Are there still mountains? That's not. That's not from God. There are melted buildings. Great. The God say he was going to melt buildings. It has to be. It has to be. Everything has to align. It can't just be some stuff. And you can't say, well, you know, I heard this. There was a rumor in 70 AD where people saw chariots of fire. Great. Where's Jesus? Well, yo, Jesus came and he left. Where does the Bible say he left? I can show you what the Bible says it's an everlasting kingdom. Well, it's only a thousand years. No, the Bible does not say his kingdom is only a thousand years. It says that Satan is locked up for a thousand years. That thousand years is framed by Satan's being Satan's imprisonment. It is not frame the rule of Jesus. It doesn't. So the thousand years is not. Jesus is only ruling a thousand years. No, Satan's only locked up for a thousand years and then he's released.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, get ready because the. Nothing against the, the creator, the content creators who are exploring the idea, I mean, that's what we're here for in very many ways is to explore these things and try to hash out what the truth is. But for whatever reason, the, the fan base, the little seasoners themselves, they get very comfortable saying if you are even on the fence about this idea, you are some sort of a shill. And it's like, yeah, you get those accusations from everybody. It's not just little seasoners daily.

[Top Lobsa]

Daily.

[David Lee Corbo]

Dude. It's so. Yeah. And I, I have a lot of patience for people, probably a lot more than. Than top does. And I try to engage with them and, and they're just like very feverish and more or less the message here is you are wasting your time looking at other things. In fact, you are leading people astray. And so by that token, you're a piece of. And unless you talk about this thing that I 100 believe and know to be true, and you should, too. And it's like, I don't know much of anything. I know that I'm retarded. But that aside, I think you would find that. That. That in particular topic is. Is one thing that's gonna, you know, be a conjoinder between you and Paul Stobbs. You remove that topic. You would find Paul Stobbs fascinating. He's a great researcher and awesome content creator.

[Ed Mabry]

It's nothing personal. I don't dislike anyone.

[David Lee Corbo]

No, no. This is the battle of ideas, right? I mean, it is what it is.

[Ed Mabry]

My issue is that I just. If you. If you get this doctrine wrong, then you're not watching for the right thing and you could be deceived. That's my. I don't want to just, like, shout people down if they're. If they believe in the little season. I want to say, are you. I don't want you to miss out on. On this, because if you think Jesus already came and left a thousand years ago, then you aren't looking for him. You think he's gone. So someone else comes along and says the wrong thing. Like, okay, well, you know, Jesus isn't. You know, I. Since Jesus left before, whatever happens, if I see a second coming or I see a rapture or something, well, that can't be Jesus because that. That stuff already happened. That could be a problem. And you know, when. And I got into. I got into a bit of a scuff with someone who says, yeah, you're controlled opposition. Well, you know what? Then basically, you're controlled opposition for the Jesuits because, you know, the Jesuits invented preterism, and they invented it specifically to counter Christian eschatology because, you know, the. The reformers were accusing the Pope of being the Antichrist. So Luis de Alcazar invented preterism to say, well, you know, if Jesus came back in 70 A.D. that means the Antichrist was in 70 A.D. which means our pope can't be the Antichrist. That was the whole reason preterism was created. And preterism is the basis for the little season. So. So you're an Asian for the urination for the Jesuits. Oh, that. That didn't sit well. Anyway.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, Yeah. I mean, you know, it just. It's the nature of. Of having a platform and trying to disseminate these ideas. We started the show talking about, you know, top is like, is it mean to. To. To push back against these narratives and such. And it's like, we're in the game. We're all in the game. I would hope to try to figure out what the truth is. And if we all continue in that path, it's going to lead us to the same conclusion if we're really scrutinizing it, making sure that we're doing our due diligence. So in that way, you know, I have a lot of. Of empathy and sympathy, and I don't have the information to even combat it. This is all a learning experience for me, too, which is why I have to admit, it's a little frustrating when they come to me and they say, why don't you talk about this? And I want to say, pick another, because this one is too busy right now looking at all the things that I'm looking at. I simply don't have the time, resources, or the information that you allege to have. It's not in my repertoire. I don't have that right now. So find yourself another retard.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, well, I just. Just show me evidence. I mean, show me some actual evidence for it. Not speculation, not. I want to be true. So I'm going to wedge it in here anyway. This will be the show. Go even more off the rails. All right.

[David Lee Corbo]

All right, let's go back to Genesis.

[Ed Mabry]

All right, so. So basically, so we have this primordial rebellion. We have Leviathan taken down, and then we see something very interesting. It says that, you know, the spirit of God, the rock Elohim, was hovering over the face of the waters, the face of the. Of the Miami. Of the chaos. And this. This equates chaos with the waters. There was a flood. So God, this is the first flood. God flooded the world. We don't. We know he has to fix that, because when we get to the actual days of recreation on the second day, he has to separate the waters so that dry land can appear. So, so if. If he has. So if there's no dry land, that means he flooded the earth the first time. And the. And Mayim, chaos is indicative of the seas of the oceans. And that's, you know, that's really a part of legends throughout history that the oceans are always considered a place of chaos. You know, if you've seen the old maps where it says there be dragons in certain parts of the. Well, there be dragons. Why Leviathan is trapped under the waters. So. So he's over the face of the chaos and it's. Of the chaos and it says he's moving. That word can also mean brooding. Says the spirit of God was brooding.

[Top Lobsa]

You know, what's what's funny? Sorry, I was like, you know what's.

[David Lee Corbo]

Funny about the little season?

[Top Lobsa]

Back to the Jews. No, I watched Moana, too, again, for, like, the fifth time, because my kids just love it. But there's a part. Spoiler alert. Where they reach the storm God, Nalo, and well, before they reach him, he has, like, these. These serpents protecting him. And the serpents are coming out and they're. They're fighting them off, and they have, like, it's. It's a whole scene, but they go away because the sunlight starts to come up. Once the sun shows itself and there's light, they flee back under the waters. And I'm just like, Moana just nails it so many times with this esoteric. Yeah, cold knowledge. But they're all, unfortunately spreading it on my children.

[David Lee Corbo]

But, man, they're doing a great job of indoctrinating these kids.

[Top Lobsa]

Oh, yeah.

[Ed Mabry]

The. The best lies are sandwiched between the truth.

[Top Lobsa]

Yeah. It has to be the truth, right? You have this. This dragon, and then God is. God is the light. And then they have to go. They have to go away. It's like, man, just. You got it. You got the idea.

[David Lee Corbo]

That goes all the way to these. These, you know, the UFO phenomenon and then coming in and out of the oceans as well.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, right. And again, like, I was, like, I was saying that when I was watching that video of the. Of the two weirdos channeling these gossip, these aliens from the Pleiades, they're like, oh, it's just all about love and kindness. I'm like, okay, sounds good. But then you throw in people disappearing. Then you throw in, you know, these Kali yugas and all that kind of stuff. So, yeah, you make it sound good. And then you just throw in. It's like, you know, you have a clean glass of water, you put in one drop of ink.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Ed Mabry]

That's all you need is to pollute all the water. You can have all kinds of truth. Just one little dot of untruth will ruin it all. And that's. That's the slippery slope. It's the, I think C.S. lewis in his book the Screwtape Letters, which is a really fun read. He. He. You know, he's basically talking about how it's the story of these two demons, like a senior demon and a junior demon, who. And the senior demon is giving advice to the junior demon demon. And the junior demon is like, he wants to go all in and just, hey, I'm just going to corrupt this guy. It's like, no, no, don't Go hardcore. Just. It's the gradual slope that gets them. Don't. You know, it's like, you know, the frog in the, in the, in the, in the water. You know, you just turn it up a little bit, just heat it up a little bit. Don't, don't put him in boiling water. He'll jump right out. Just slowly heat it up. Just that gradual thing. So just put one little drop of falsehood in that truth and that, that'll get you there where you need to eventually where you need to go. So. All right, so Spirit of God is brooding over the face of the waters of the chaos. He said. So he's in this contemplative mode because he's like, okay, what happened? Why is he sad? Because, well, he creates these beings, makes these beautiful world for them, and they mess up. He's okay, what do I do now? So this is where I want to talk about the idea of the Trinity. Because if we're at the basis the concept of God, let's talk about the, the triune nature of God, because that's also controversial. There are many people who don't believe and that they have divergent beliefs about it, that either there is no such thing as a Trinity or that, you know, that the Spirit of God is just, you know, an acronym for it. Not an acronym, but just an, just an aspect of God. When you, like you say, you know, I'm doing, I feel this in my spirit. You're not saying you have a separate independent spirit. You just, you're talking about yourself or that Jesus was just a created being and he's not God. So to understand how Trinity makes sense, they'll say, how can three be one? How can you say there's only one, there's one God and he's in three. Well, what is the definition of God? The definition of, of God is that God is always incompletely right. And just. That's the nature of God. So the nature. So if you are always and completely right and just, then you have the nature of God. You can be one, you can be holy. Why? Because. What's the def. This is why definitions are important. The top. You said that earlier about when we're on the whole Jewish thing. Definitions are important because your definitions allow you to have intelligent conversations with people and they're good for your mental health. So the definition of holy is of one kind. So when you say God is holy, you're saying, yes, he's of one kind. He's always a completely right and just. But that, but that Means that anyone who is always a completely right and just is of that one kind. And the reason that we know that there are three in the. In the Bible is because all three are given credit for creation. The Spirit of God is given credit for creation here in Genesis, chapter one, God the Father is given credit for creation in the book of job. In Job 40 and 41, Jesus the Son, the Word of God is given credit for creation in the Epistle, the. The book of John, chapter one, and also in Colossians in the. In the beginning was the Word. The Word was with God. The Word was God. All things were made by Him. The Word was with God and was God. That's telling you right there. It's. It's a. He's a separate entity, but he's also God. God is a title.

[Top Lobsa]

Can I ask you something? There's a book called He Came to Set the Captives Free. And maybe, I don't know, like halfway, more than halfway through the book, this lady writes a chart, and I wish I had had it next to me. She writes a chart about the spirit, the soul and the body.

[Ed Mabry]

Okay.

[Top Lobsa]

And she's talking about spiritual warfare. It's in the second half of the book, David. It's like a two page. Yeah, yeah. Let me see if we could. Okay, so are there three. There are two parts here. There's three parts. Right, right. So she's talking about the physical body and she's talking about the spirit and the soul. And I think in this context she's talking about astral projection or something like that. Okay. So technically, if that's to be believed, are we also. We. We would be three in one, designed after whatever God has designed himself after.

[Ed Mabry]

Perfect. You nailed it. Because here's. Here's how I put it. Because people have a lot of trouble designating the three and how they are one and also separate. Me too. It's tough for us to wrap our minds around. But think of it this way.

[David Lee Corbo]

Way.

[Ed Mabry]

God the Father is. Are the. The. The are the thoughts, the will. God the Son is called the Word. They're the worst. The Holy Spirit is the actions. If I were to ask you, what are you? Are you your thoughts, your words or your actions? The answer is yes. Your words, your thoughts. First, you think it, you speak it, and you do it. If you look in the Bible at the functions, what does God do? God comes up with the thoughts. He is the will. Jesus is the word. He is the expression. In fact, whenever we see an entity in the. In the Old Testament who called, called the angel of the Lord or in the, the, the, the. The Malachim Elohim, the, the messenger. The messenger Elohim of Jehovah. That's Jesus. He's. And he's always coming to speak. He is communicating. Then the Spirit of God is always doing stuff. He's making physical actions. He's doing physical actions. Those are the aspects of God. Thoughts, words, actions. The Father are the, the thoughts. The will. And, but in the will is over everything else. You're not going to say anything, you don't think. You're not going to do anything, you don't think. So that's why he's the chief. That's why he is the, the, the, you know, the, the head of the, of the, of the Godhead. Because the thoughts come first then. And the words. But the words are equal. They're all equal. They're all doing the same thing. They're. They're all your actions are your thoughts because you think before you do it. Your words are your thoughts. So they're all equal. But there's a hierarchy. You think it, you say it, you do it. But you're going to do what you say, you're going to say what you think, you're going to think what you do. So that's how they're all the same. You're not going to do something you don't think. So the. Got the Father, God, the Holy Spirit are never going to diverge. You're not. You can't say something you don't think. So got the Father and got the Son can never diverge.

[David Lee Corbo]

That is interesting because you would say like, you know, with the Trinity, the way I've come to understand it, or these are all aspects of one being. That's why the, the Trinity shows you like the overlap in the center. And then there are still like, you know, the outer parts that don't connect. And so they're distinctly separate, but really they are attributes of the same being. And, and yeah, you would. I mean, my thoughts are me, my actions are me, but I am me as well. And so, yeah, you would, you would identify with the several different components of, I guess, the human condition.

[Top Lobsa]

This is actually a good question here. Why are there two thrones and not three in heaven?

[Ed Mabry]

Well, because the Holy. Because the Holy Spirit doesn't rule. The Holy Spirit just acts.

[Top Lobsa]

Okay.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah. So yeah, that, that's why. That is a good question. Because the Holy Spirit is different and here. And people. Because. And the Holy Spirit is probably the toughest one for us to wrap our minds around the Father. We can see that, you know, Father, he's so. He's the will, he's the, you know, know he's got Jesus, you know, he's the word, he's the kind one that came to die for our sins. What's the Holy Spirit? The Holy Spirit is just, you know, this amorphous thing out there and that and people. So people try to, you know, either blend the Father and the spirit or something else like that. But we know the spirit is distinct and has a personality because it says the in. The in Paul says that you can grieve the Holy Spirit. You can't grieve something that doesn't love you. So the Holy Spirit loves you just like God loves you and Jesus loves you. The Holy Spirit loves you too. You can grieve the Holy Spirit, so. But the Holy Spirit is the action and he's what does things. So remember when we had. Wasn't on. On this show particular but we had John Linhart on before. We talked about, you know, the, the different personalities and the other administrator and teacher and all that kind of stuff. Each one of the Trinity has a different intangible driver. God the Father is exhorter, perceiver. He just states facts, but he wants you to feel what he feels. That's what God wants. That's the whole purpose of my Jehovah story, Bible study. God, it wants you to know him. He wants you to feel what he's feeling. That's what an exhorter is. An exhorter is someone who wants to get. Who wants to. He's gonna. God's gonna speak a word so that you get him, you understand him and you move forward. An exorder wants you to. To move forward. God is always about move. God the Father is also about moving you forward. Remember he. When he says that the King David was a man after his own heart. Why? Because David was the same way David was exhorted perceiver. God would. God would state a fact to. To David and say, David, you screwed up. Dave will say, cool, God, that's great, let's move forward. God loved that because that's who he was. So he was a man after God's own heart. Jesus is server. Server. A server is someone who meets a need. And Jesus is all about doing whatever it takes to meet needs. That's what Jesus did. He was. He would do anything. He would do whatever it took to make to. To meet a need. Unless you have to. You have to go to flowsas.com if you want to get a fuller understanding of this. The Holy Spirit, on the other hand, is he's an administrator. He's, he's, he's administered. He's, he's administrator, server. He, he and an administrator. You know this, David, because you're what an administrator is someone who is all about getting a group of people to get towards a goal. And he does it by serving. Serving means you can be any of the, of the seven in order to, to, to get what you want to happen. An administrator is trying to get a group of people towards a goal. That's why the Holy Spirit's in charge of the Church. The Holy Spirit is trying, is, is administrating the entire body of Christ towards a goal. And he can do it by perceiving, by teaching, by giving, by being compassionate, whatever it takes. But the Holy Spirit is all. And because he's a server, he's unpredictable. You know, the Holy Spirit is kind of wild. So he, he will do whatever it takes to administrate a group of people. So my point in that is, is to help you understand that, that that's, that's the role that these Father, Son and Holy Spirit are very, are all have the same nature, but they have different ways of doing it. They have different ways of getting you to where they want.

[David Lee Corbo]

Interesting.

[Top Lobsa]

You think?

[David Lee Corbo]

You know what I. Go ahead top.

[Top Lobsa]

Do you think the reason that, that he is. He has separated himself into three understandable personalities? I mean, although it's, it is one, but these are his personalities. Has he done that because he doesn't know which angels will fall? Like you can't, I can't have another angel that I create right next to me that's supposed to carry out this role to like the Holy Spirit. Can I have an angel just go and fill a church and fill people. And it's like, well, what happens when that guy messes up? You know that like that's, that's big business there.

[Ed Mabry]

Well, we have to look at the fact that the Trinity, the Godhead always existed. There wasn't a point where one was created. They've always existed. And so the question is, well, how could they all, how could they always, how could three always exist? Well, they actually would have to because you have to. There has to. If, if they didn't exist, you could, God couldn't be love because love, you cannot have love by yourself. Love is directed towards someone or something else. So the Trinity always have always existed because they all love each other. And you cannot have love with, with only one entity. So when you say God is love. You have to say God is more than one. Because God's God didn't just start being love when he created people or angels. He had to have been loved before that. In order to have love, you need to have an object of love and an, and someone to witness it. God says he loved the Son before the creation. So. And again, I'm not saying this is all a clean definition and I'm still understanding it. I mean, I'm not telling that I have all the answers to the Trinity, but what I'm saying is that here's, this is how it conceptually makes sense. And I think we're going to spend eternity understanding how they exist. But we know the Bible said here's, this is what I do on faith, bad reason. I know that the Bible is true and what it says is true. And my job is to try to make it make sense to the best of my ability. And this is what I'm doing. Does it make complete sense? No, I'm going to tell you right now, the Trinity does not make complete sense to me. But I'm using what I understand to make it make more sense. Because us as linear beings, we just, we have a tough time wrapping our mind around it. But what we have to do is, you know, do the best that we can to understand it until we get to eternity. Maybe we'll understand it more fully then. But if God says it's true, then, then I believe it and. But I want to know why I believe it, why I should believe it, why it can make sense to the degree to which I can understand it and help others hopefully understand it.

[Top Lobsa]

It's very, very perplexing. I like what Curtis said here. He said the saying that you have to love yourself before you can love someone else. That is, that is really true. So that's kind of maybe an age old principle, right?

[Ed Mabry]

Quite possibly, yeah. It is interesting that God never says he loves angels. That doesn't mean he doesn't. But it's interesting that that's never said in the Bible. That's something I'm just throwing. I have no answer to that. I'm just putting it out there because I know it could be kind of riff on this show.

[Top Lobsa]

Well, do you like.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah.

[Top Lobsa]

Do you, if you created an AI, would you love it or would it just be one of these things that it's like, yeah, just keep doing what you do. I'll like keep tinkering with you. But like it's not necessarily a love there. Right. So it's like, but then they have their own free. I guess they don't really have their own free will, but they can fall.

[Ed Mabry]

So they do have free will. They have free will until you have free will, until you're judged. When God judges you, you no longer have your free will. Like, you know, the, the serpent, the nakash from the Garden of Eden does not have free will. But when they fall, yeah, they're done. They have no more free will. They cannot act outside of their nature. So when God cursed the nakash, the serpent, and said that you, that, you know, you will be eating dust, which, you know, dust is an idiom for man. He's saying that you will hunger for the death of destructive man. That's his curse. He cannot do anything else other than that. So that's why, that's why they're locked into what the book of Revelation says. They can't do anything outside of that. Because, because once God curses you, you are, you're, you no longer have that free will. The angels in heaven still have a free will, but they choose to, you know, to be obedient. The ones, you know, the ones who didn't fall.

[Top Lobsa]

Yeah, that, that makes their relationship. Perhaps that's why they envy our relationship with God, because it's, it's almost like he is their father. But yeah, that, that idea of him loving, loving them is not never really expressed, at least in the Bible. But then why would it be expressed in the Bible? Like it's not, it's not for them. It's. This was written for us.

[Ed Mabry]

Right? Yeah, maybe he does. But we do know that, you know, when he basically justifies his love for us, he says he loved because, because he, he died for us. And of course, love is given without the expectation of getting anything in return. So he's given to us without. So what Jesus said, you know, I, I, he says, for God so loved the world that he what, gave his only begotten son so that whosoever. So he gave without any expectation. He said, whosoever, maybe none of you will come to me, but I'm going to give you this sacrifice anyway without the expectation that anyone will accept me. So that's love. Did he do that for the angels? Well, I don't see any biblical. Doesn't mean he didn't. But there's, it's not in the Bible. But again, the Bible is for our edification, for us to understand God, not for the angels to understand him.

[Top Lobsa]

Yeah, there's a, there's an entire prehistory that we were not privy to. And I think you just, you just kind of like ran through it a little bit. Just in the first verse you're talking about that gap. He creates the heaven and the earth. But then what happens?

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah. So I'm going to wrap up by just talking about quickly the gap theory and the other aspects of the aspect. Yeah. Of that. So the gap theory is again the idea that there's this, this, this period of time between verse one and verse two. Some people try, the theistic evolutionists try to say, well this, they, we believe in a gap theory, but we believe this is where you can fit in dinosaurs and millions of years and all this kind of stuff. So I believe in the gap theory but not in that aspect of it because I think theistic evolution is stupid, is silly. Okay, Stupid because it's people being lukewarm. It's folks who say, well you know, I, I know the story about the six days of creation, but also in school I hear about billions of years and dinosaurs and mammoths and all this kind of stuff. How do I make that fit? Well, we can just shove all the evolution stuff into this gap. Well that's, there's a problem with that because there's no death before Adam's sin and Adam isn't created until the end of all it. Until the end of chapter one. So how can you have dinosaurs living and dying for millions of years and any other prehistoric animal if there's no death? That doesn't fit. See, you can't. You, it doesn't work. You can't. Don't be lukewarm. Just pick one or the other. Jesus hates it when you lukewarm. You make it makes him sick. He wants to vomit you out of his mouth. So either be. Believe in the supernatural creation or believe in evolution, but don't try to meld them together to make yourself feel better. So, so when I say I believe in a gap theory, I believe that there is a. That the earth may be much older than 6,7000 years. I believe that because I believe that the earth was created and then the, the angelic civilization was first. And who knows, we have no idea how long this civilization existed before that rebellion. Maybe it was hundreds of years, maybe thousands, maybe millions. Don't know. So I'd never get hung up on age of the earth or people say, oh we, we can age this rock to you know, 5 billion. Fine, maybe, maybe, okay, maybe there's an agile civilization for that long. I don't believe that humanity has been on earth for millions of Years, because there, you know that it's God's very clear that when Adam was the first one he created. I know that people believe in pre pandemics, endemic civilizations who existed before Adam. But that's not biblical. That's misunderstanding Hebrew poetry, which is what Genesis chapter one is. We will get into that. Maybe we'll get into that next week. But yeah, humanity and, and this creation is not more than 10,000 years old, but the earth could be much older than that because the earth was created beforehand. So wrap it up with this. We have the first God creates the first intelligent beings, the Elohim, the angels. They rebel. After some period of time, God's God defeats the rebellion. He imprisons Leviathan and probably others in the oceans. Then he's brooding over the. Over the face of the waters of the chaos. Okay, there's nothing but chaos here. I got to do something different. My will is for this world to be the way I want it to be, so I can just hang out and interact with people without all this sin. What do I do next? Well, I think I need. Maybe I should create something that's a little lower than these angels so that they can repent. Angels can't repent. We never see any indication of the Bible that an angels falls and says, yeah, you know what, God, I screwed up. Can I come back? No. Why? Because repentance means you're sorry. You can only be sorry if you know you made a mistake. You can only make a mistake if you don't have full knowledge of what you're doing and the impact of it. The Elohim had full knowledge. They occupy at least 11 dimensions. They could see far beyond what we can see. They knew exactly what they were doing. When we get to Genesis chapter six and we're comparing that with the book of Enoch, when those angels make a pact with each other before they even come down and cohabitate with women, Semija says to the other angels, hey, we need. We're about to mess up huge. So I want you guys. I don't want to take the blanket by myself. Let's enter into a pact so that if when. When we get our asses kicked. All of us get our asses kicked. They all agree, yeah, let's do this. So they went into it with full knowledge. They decided that rebelling against God, that banging some human chicks and making Nephilim was worth it. So they are not. They can't be redeemed. So if so God knew that he had to, that if you create, if he Creates something that's different from himself, that is not always completely right. And just eventually it's going to be a screw up. And if they're going to screw up, I need to have a mechanism in place to make up for that. So I need to make them less than the angels so that they can be redeemed. And that kind of. That'll be our bridge to the, to our next episode when we talk about the. The recreation.

[Top Lobsa]

The recreation. Wait up. Who's. Who's being recreated?

[David Lee Corbo]

No, he did that on purpose. Like he dropped that little line.

[Top Lobsa]

Yeah, I was gonna let it sit for a second. I was like hell, you just say.

[Ed Mabry]

All right, the. I'm just saying. The. I'm not being esoteric. I'm just saying that God is replenishing. I said replenishing instead of recreation. He created the earth. Earth is already there. He's just replenishing it.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right?

[Top Lobsa]

Okay, okay.

[Ed Mabry]

But he will be creating new life, but he's. He's replenishing the earth and creating new life. So I guess recreation is a bit of a misnomer.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, all right. We'll leave the people with something to chew on. Thank you, Ed, for your time. This is the, the fourth one, right? So next week we got to get it locked in. We'll be sure to be here for next Friday in the meantime. Okay, Perfect.

[Top Lobsa]

Perfect.

[David Lee Corbo]

Awesome. So where can the people find you, ed?

[Ed Mabry]

Faith by reason.net patreon.com faith by reason. If you want to be part, get the bonus stuff and be a part of the Bible study this Sunday is is Bible study number two. And yeah, looking forward to that. And yeah, we get to weekly notes for the Bible study, get again bonus material, Q and A's and all that good stuff. And you can interact with me and I, I, you know, we talk, answer questions. We've had some really good discussions and I really appreciate my Patreons and appreciate anyone who, who wants to just be a part of it. If you just want to watch it on YouTube, you can do that too. I just ask that you like and subscribe and share if same thing with Rumble and on all the other links in the link tree if you want to. I'm starting to put stuff on Instagram just like, you know, some shorter videos on there. Maybe I'll start doing it on Tick Tock again as well and you know, Rumble and all that kind of stuff. So yeah, interact.

[Top Lobsa]

Look at that. Ed, you got some, you got a pretty decent following on Instagram. You should be that.

[Ed Mabry]

That's not Me.

[Top Lobsa]

Oh, that's not you.

[Ed Mabry]

Nobody else.

[David Lee Corbo]

Somebody else has your name. What the hell?

[Ed Mabry]

Got faith by reason before me.

[David Lee Corbo]

Unbelievable.

[Ed Mabry]

If that's. If that's my link tree is saying I've gotta. I've got to redo that. That's not where my.

[Top Lobsa]

Yeah, you got to redo that. That's. That's not your link.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah. Takes you to the wrong placement.

[David Lee Corbo]

No wonder the guy's got such a big following. It's just people that think that it's you.

[Ed Mabry]

Okay, I. I will redo my link tree. That's.

[David Lee Corbo]

You gotta read.

[Ed Mabry]

I knew. I knew that that person existed, but when I did my link tree, I thought that I put mine in there.

[David Lee Corbo]

That guy is sitting here, he's like, got an un Active account and he's like, I don't know. I mean, I knew I put some bangers out there all that time ago, but I didn't know. People are with it. It's like they're not. All right, you're not Ed Mabry. People think you're Ed Mabry. That's where the confliction that has happened.

[Ed Mabry]

People are saying, your Instagram looks so different. Like, that's. That's not me.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, yeah, you gotta fix it. See if you can tell that guy. Take down. Change your name, sir.

[Ed Mabry]

Mine is Faith by reason reels.

[David Lee Corbo]

Faith by reason reels. Okay.

[Ed Mabry]

All right.

[Top Lobsa]

There you go.

[Ed Mabry]

Reason. So I thought I put that in the link tree. I must have. I think maybe I screwed up something.

[David Lee Corbo]

This guy's been getting all your. All your. All the people looking to see what Ed Mabry's cooking on are going to the wrong guy. We gotta fix that. We gotta fix that for sure. Well, thank you, Ed. It's been a blast. I look forward to doing it next week again. Thank you to everybody who watched the show. Thank you, Ed, for your time. Top, we got anything else?

[Top Lobsa]

That's it, guys. Oh, yeah, stick around. Actually, we'll be. We'll be back on with Isaac Weisstaff. I think that's how you say his last name. Ysip. Whatever. We'll see him in 30 minutes and we'll see you guys later. So until then, let's set the outro so that way we don't look stupid here, right?

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, you got to do the thing so it just doesn't end.

[Top Lobsa]

I don't know how to do it. So we're gonna figure it out.

[David Lee Corbo]

Stupid.

[Top Lobsa]

We got it. We got it. All right.

[Ed Mabry]

Obey.

[Top Lobsa]

Submit. Comply. See you later.

[Ed Mabry]

The greatest hypnotist on planet Earth is a oblong box in the corner of the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. You can persuade me that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see because they'll lack in the face of an explanation that portrays the bigger picture of what's happening. And they have.