Ed Mabry (3:12)

Sure. Yeah. Thanks. I. I didn't realize I've been that long. It's been about a month. We'll talk about, you know, all the crap I've been doing in UP and I'll try to be back on more regularly. But main website, my legacy site is faithbyreason.net that's where you will find like all this, all everything I've been doing for the last decade plus like all my blogs and podcasts and, and videos and whatnot. But I am really getting people to. I'm encouraging people greatly to go to the Patreon because in addition to the free fees, you know, YouTube and rumble and X and all that kind of stuff on the Patreon is where is where most of my activity is where you get the material but soon, as soon as it drops, you know, a week or two before it goes on to any of the free feeds. And additional additionally if you become a paid patron, you get, you get bonus episodes. You get everything first. You get bonus episode episode scenes that aren't going to appear on social media because I'm YouTube has me shadow banned to. To oblivion and I'm sure I'll be banned pretty soon from that. But you get bonus episodes there. You also get the Q and A's, but which we'll talk about one of those I want to cover in this episode with you guys today. You also get discounts on materials. I'm doing books. I'll talk about that in a second. And if you level up to the tier two level, you get all those things. Plus you will get to be a part of my monthly Bible study where we go through the entire Bible in one year from the spiritual point of view, the supernatural point of view, where we're looking behind the veil not just at like the Kings of Israel, but what's behind kings who Are the, the, the fallen angels that are behind all those things and how do they relate to God, to Jehovah and how, how does Jehovah relate to his, to the good angels and to the bad angels and to us, and how do we interact with them? Because that's really 80 of the Bible right there. So I think the reason people are missing out on a lot of what the Bible means and understanding is because they're looking at it from the, the physical, terrestrial standpoint and not the spiritual stuff. So we get into that and it's been great, got great, a lot of great questions and participation and people are really, people are really enjoying it. And I will, I guarantee you it will be life changing once you get to the whole thing. It'll help you understand God in a whole new way.

David Lee Corbo (5:19)

I know that we're going to discuss some of the questions that people have been asking. You were talking about that before the show started, but I'm always excited to talk to you because I've stressed ad nauseam that I'm a new Christian. So I have a lot of questions and I look forward to these conversations because I could ask you all kinds of questions, even the ones that I think might sound dumb. But the conversation that we were having before we started rolling the cameras was about this event that took place where these two Jews were killed inside the Holocaust Museum. And we lightly talked about that yesterday on Dangerous, our other show with Clint Russell. But what ended up happening was I found out just before this show started that those Jews were actually Messianic Jews. And that was an interesting revelation to me because I have relatives who are Messianic Jews. And the way that they described it to me was that Messianic Jews are Christians. They believe in the, the coming of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. They believe that he was the Son of God. They believe in the resurrection and all of that. And their main focus is preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ to the Jews because they don't believe. And, and so in that way, I, I made a tweet before we started. I said messianic Jews, in my opinion, are Christians. They just have a confusing name. And it's.

Ed Mabry (6:32)

Right.

David Lee Corbo (6:33)

It is a very peculiar time.

Top Lobster (6:36)

Well, what were they doing? What were they doing at the embassy? Were they working at the embassy?

David Lee Corbo (6:40)

I don't know what they were. I have no idea. I just saw that that was. An article came out. I forget who the article was by, but I just saw that only briefly before this show started and when it.

Ed Mabry (6:51)

Was going to propose was that that's what I heard.

David Lee Corbo (6:54)

I heard that one of them had a, a ring in their pocket and they were.

Top Lobster (6:56)

It's like a, it's a weird one. So you have two Messianic Jews which are just Christians, right?

Ed Mabry (7:02)

Yeah.

Top Lobster (7:03)

And one's going to propose to the other in front of the Holocaust Museum down the street from an FBI building.

Ed Mabry (7:09)

I don't.

Top Lobster (7:10)

Like. I don't know.

Ed Mabry (7:11)

I don't know.

David Lee Corbo (7:11)

The whole thing is weird. Well, that's what so on dangerous. I was talking about the optics. I can't help but look at everything through a conspiratorial lens. And I said the optics of these two Jews who were going to propose to each other in the Holocaust Museum getting killed is great. If you are, let's say, the government of Israel who's looking for any reason to maybe get involved in a skirmish or a war of some sort or, or proclaim anti Semitism at the very least. And I, I acknowledge that if they are Messianic Jews, which, like I said, I do believe they're Christian. And I think there's something to be said about your main focal point being preaching the gospel to the Jews. Them being the victims here does change the optics. And I'm not so sure how I feel about that now, but I brought that up to you and you had some interesting things to say, and, and so I just wanted to kind of bounce that off of you a little bit. Ed, they are Christians, right? And, and that does seem to be their main focal point.

Ed Mabry (8:05)

They are. Yeah. It was interesting because I, I heard about. Because I, I don't do a deep dive into politics. I mean, I'm trying to make, make sure I'm aware of what's going on, but that's not really my, my lane. But I didn't know that about the Messianic Jewish aspect of it. And Messianic Jews. And I know you were saying top 10. It sounds a little confusing, and I get that. But what basically what that means. What it means is that these are Jews who believe that Jesus was a messiah. That's why they call Messianic. They believe that the Messiah has already come, which is again, is what the first century Jews believed. So when we're talking before Raven, I said for the first 10 years of Christianity, the disciples were only proselytizing, evangelizing other Jews, because again, Jesus was the Jewish Messiah. That was the. He came, you know, he came to the Jews. I mean, Paul wrote, writes himself that the gospel is first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. And you know, that's just, that's, those are just the facts. I mean, God, when, when the nation of Israel, when God created this nation from the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, he says that you are basically, you're my ambassadors. If they had obeyed, which they didn't, but their purpose was, you know, I give you my law, you obey my law. Deuteronomy chapter 28 says, if you, if you obey my law, I'm going to prosper you greatly. You are going to just be blessed to pieces. You're just going to have all this stuff just like riches. And, and then other, other nations would say, hey, look at those, those Hebrews over there, they have a bunch of riches. How do you guys get that? Oh well, we got it because we, we serve our, our God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. They say, okay, well we want all your riches, we want that stuff. So what do we do? Well, you become like, you become one of us. And that's how they were supposed to proselytize the world. The problem is, as you read through the Old Testament, they kept screwing up. They kept, instead of worshiping their God and bringing other people in to worship the God of the Bible, Jehovah, Yahweh, they did the opposite. They said, we're going to worship the, the, the gods of all the other tribes of all the other nations. And God said, you guys, if you keep doing this, I can't, you can't be my ambassadors because you're, you're setting a bad example. I'm going to eventually kick you out of your land. Which is of course what happened with Babylon and whatnot. Anyway, the point is that's what they were supposed to do. And, but that was still their job. So when Jesus came and you know, died, resurrected, came back and went to, and ascended, he said, you know, preach the gospel to all the nations. And so that's, but they only, they only preached the gospel to one nation for 10 years. They only preached it to the Jews, which you know, they were patriots. They were, they were, they were nationalists in that sense. And so, and it wasn't until 10 years later where God told Peter like, look, you need to preach this to the Gentiles as well. The point is that the original Christians for 10 years were only Jewish people. So a messianic Jew is a Jewish person who believes that their Messiah is Jesus. And, and a non messianic Jew or just run of the mill, garden variety Jewish is, is a Jew who is still waiting for their Messiah. They don't believe that Jesus was the Messiah. And so it's interesting when we look at if these, if that's true, that these two people who are the victims of this incident were messianic Jews. Makes you wonder what is the benefit of it? And that's, and maybe we're missing something because I can understand the story. If they were not just like, you know, regular non messianic Jews, then you, you can paint a narrative of. This is just another example of this nice Jewish couple wants to propose. Thinking of getting married in front of the Holocaust Museum, of all places. I think so. That's most romantic.

David Lee Corbo (11:21)

Very romantic.

Ed Mabry (11:21)

I mean, I'm weird. I, I proposed to my wife when we were, we were in Cancun on the beach. I thought that was romantic. But hey, maybe I should have gone to the Museum of the African Diaspora, proposed. We're there in front of a statue of Kunta Kinte.

David Lee Corbo (11:36)

But you know what it is, man? It's, it's just, it's interesting because I recognize in the middle of all these like really hated discussions or heated, rather discussions about the Jews, we're never called to hate. The Jews were in fact called to preach the gospel to them. And I don't think that means that you don't also talk about the, the, the, the, you know, many ways in which they're screwing up, but we are ultimately.

Top Lobster (11:58)

David, I called you last week and I call. It was like, I don't know, like 10 in the morning. I was like, I just had a thought. And I was like, what does it mean? So they rejected Jesus. The Jews rejected Jesus because he was supposed to be. I guess they expected it to be some sort of royalty, but mainly they're.

Ed Mabry (12:14)

Expecting a second coming. Yeah, they looked at so really quick. So when you look at the prophecies of the Messiah in the Old Testament, they fall into two broad categories. The suffering servant and the conquering king. You know, the suffering servant, you know, he buys, you know, he's abused by men, he's despised and rejected by his stripes. We are healed. He's. He has no comeliness and men would desire him, blah, blah. Then the other one is he's going to come and rule with a rod of iron over the nations. Well, the problem is, instead of accepting both of those ideas and say, okay, well, you know, he's gonna keep. Both those things seem contradictory. But what it means is if they both are true. We talked about this during the Rapture thing. If there are multiple def. If there are multiple depictions of the same event of a similar event, then they must be different events. So if you see two depictions of the Messiah, suffering servant, conquering king, then it means he's gonna do both. But instead they say, you know what? We don't like the suffering servant. We like the conquering king. So we're not even going to talk about that. We're just going to talk about the conquering king. And so after about 600 years of, of disparaging the suffering servant, they, they only expected the conquering king. And when Jesus came as a suffering servant, it's like, this ain't our Messiah. Our Messiah is going to be a king. He's going to come and he's going to overthrow the Roman Empire and set up his kingdom here and right now.

Top Lobster (13:25)

There it is. There it is. So he's. He's going to be a conquering king. He's going to come and overthrow the Roman Empire. There's no longer a Roman empire. There's a world empire, sort of. And it looks like America. So right now. Exactly. You see where I'm going with this? This is my problem. And I, I just called David. I'm like, wait a second. Because I remember when I was living in Brooklyn on Ocean Parkway, they were like, our Messiah has come. It's some old guy and he comes and he dies and it, you know, moves on. But they thought this was the guy. And like, you know, in my naivety, I laughed and we all joked because we were Christians. We were like, yeah, that's not him. He already, you know, it's just another dude that is gonna die. But I'm like, what the hell does that mean? Like, did they. They thought that guy was a conquering king? What was he doing? Was that like Osama bin Laden but a Jew? Like, what are you, what, what are they actually telling us by saying they're waiting for somebody to con. Who are you going to conquer?

Ed Mabry (14:21)

Why have you been kicked out of.

David Lee Corbo (14:22)

So many years conversation? Yeah, because.

Ed Mabry (14:27)

Yeah, well, the Antichrist is going to be a false messiah. And he is, he is going to conquer. He is going to be the one. And he. He confirms that covenant. We talked about this in Revelation series. He confirms that covenant with Israel. Now, the Bible doesn't say specifically what the covenant is. You know, some, A lot of Christian eschatologists say, well, it must be a peace treaty between the Israelis and the Palestinians. Maybe. My. I think. And again, this is totally speculation, so that I, So this is my idea. I think he's going to confirm the Abrahamic covenant, because if you recall, the the, the land grant that God gave to the people, to Abraham's descendants, was from the Nile to the Euphrates, modern Israel, even. What, what they conquered in the, in the. After the Exodus, when they went to the promised land in the book of Joshua, they only conquered a certain part of that. They conquered, you know, they didn't conquer all of them because they got tired of fighting. It's okay, we're done. We want to start farming and getting crops and digging for gold and like, we don't want, we don't want to fight anymore. We want to live and prosper. So they didn't go anywhere near the Euphrates or the, or the Nile. What if this Antichrist comes along and says, I'm giving you the whole land grant? You're going to have everything from the Nile to the Euphrates, which is a huge. I mean, that, that means like, you know, almost half of Iraq to the northern part of Egypt, all the way up to Syria. That's massively more land then is currently the nation of Israel. So that. What if he's confirming that covenant? Again, speculation. I. I don't know. Don't hold me to that. But I think it will be interesting. And that would definitely make them believe that, oh, this must be our Messiah because he's giving us the land that God originally promised us, that we just were. We in the past were too lazy to conquer.

David Lee Corbo (16:02)

Well, that's what Top was talking about. And I, I think it is like a brutal insight is that if they're waiting for their messiah and their Messiah will be a conqueror, well, who are they then conquering? And it's like they are kind of just sitting around waiting so that they can conquer, I guess, the goyim, which is us.

Ed Mabry (16:22)

Yeah, well.

Top Lobster (16:23)

Well, it's like. And then I'm, I'm supposed to, I'm supposed to preach to you. I'm supposed to be like, yeah, stay here. Like, no, get the out of here.

David Lee Corbo (16:32)

Well, that's what I'm saying. I think it's a mixture of things.

Top Lobster (16:34)

It feels like. It just feels like they're telling me like, we're waiting for somebody to come, and when he comes, we're going to kill you.

Ed Mabry (16:40)

We're going to kill you.

Top Lobster (16:41)

Judeo Christian values.

Ed Mabry (16:43)

But if you're preaching the actual gospel of Jesus, it's not about that. It's not about the temporal conquest, because if you proselytize them and evangelize them into the New Testament, then they will see exactly how the conquest happens. It's not Going to be a military conquest of some guy beating up on the goyim is going to be Jesus returning at the end of the tribulation and then setting up his kingdom. So it's a different scenario. And so yeah, once they, once they become, you know, Christians and, and, and embrace the New Testament, you know, the, and, and Revelation, which, which John basically outlines in detail how these things going to happen, then you realize, okay, it's not what we thought. It's not going to be us fighting and conquering the goyim is going to be, you know, Jesus overthrowing the, the Antichrist. So, yeah, that's what we should, that's what they should be being told.

David Lee Corbo (17:35)

I do recognize that though, it's like throughout the Bible, you aren't called. You technically you're called to love the Jews and preach to them and you know, you're not called to hate them. But I, I don't think that that means that you can't call out their bad behavior.

Ed Mabry (17:47)

No, no. And I, I make this point. I was on another podcast when someone was talking about. Because, you know, this is obviously the biggest topic on, on most podcasts these days in, in the truth community is, you know, we have Christian Zionism. There's certain Christians, pastors, some of whom who I respect for a lot of their teaching, but they're just all on board with Zionism, like Israel can do no wrong. Wait a minute. Look, in the, if you look in the Old Testament, nobody talked more crap about the Jews than God. God called them all kinds of things. You guys are, are. You guys are idiots. You're morons. You aren't doing anything right. You're stupid. I mean, not.

David Lee Corbo (18:23)

They say your father is the devil.

Ed Mabry (18:24)

The equivalent. You know, I keep doing things for you and you keep betraying me. I do. In, in the book of Jeremiah, God was said to them. And we actually went over this in my Bible study last. The last session was on the. Actually was last Sunday where God says, I'm not even going to hear your prayers anymore. I'm so pissed off at you guys. I do everything for you. You keep following these other gods. Don't even pray to me. Don't. Don't pray. I'm done.

Top Lobster (18:45)

It's crazy, right?

Ed Mabry (18:46)

I'm sending you off to Babylon. I'm gonna let the Babylonians come in and take your land and, and you don't even deserve to be on this ground I put you on. My point is that if it's wrong to criticize the Jews, then God's wrong. Because he criticized the hell out of them, right? Like, he spends most of the Old Testament just talking about the Jews. And all the prophets were just saying, you guys suck.

Top Lobster (19:06)

I was telling David during that same conversation, I was like, you know, like, a lot. There's a lot of black people saying that they're the Jews. There's Dustin Nemos types who are saying that the white people are the Jews. And I'm just like, why would you want to be the Jews? If you read the Bible, they, they're so awful. Like, even, like, even God is just like, God guys, just get out of here. Like, they're the worst. And, and then you look at the behavior now and it's kind of like, yeah, one for one.

David Lee Corbo (19:29)

That's the thing that really gets me is, you know, we have this conversation about who are the Jews. And it's like, you know, as far as the genetic lineage or anything like that goes, that's one conversation. But if you look at the behavior, I will admit that the whole taking up of false gods, especially that aspect, still rings true today. And if you couple that with the idea that that's happening at the upper echelons of politics and like that, they're like, you know, praising Moloch and all that other crap. And then you look at, at the upper echelons of these institutions and you go, well, there's kind of a lot of Jews up there. Are these the same Jews? And you go, well, by their behavior, I guess they are. You know, but I, I was listening to somebody talk about how, oh, all these Abrahamic religions need to put their differences aside because they all come from the same God. And it's like, well, there, you know, in the Bible, it says, whosoever denies the son denies the father.

Ed Mabry (20:15)

Right?

David Lee Corbo (20:15)

And so in that way, it's like, are they. They're certainly not serving the same God, that's for sure. You know, obviously all of creation comes from the same God, but are they serving the same God? And that seems glaringly obvious. The answer is no. It says it very clearly. Whosoever denies the son denies the father.

Ed Mabry (20:33)

Yeah, they got. Well, yeah, there's a few things we'll hit on there. Like the last thing you said, the Abrahamic religions. That really annoys me when people say the Abrahamic religions because it's not Abraham. Abraham didn't come up with this. And then there are certain people who claim to be the descendants of Abraham and there's no genetic linkage to them. And I'm sorry to. If I offend anyone Here. But there is an idea that people who are. Who are Arabic are the descendants of Ishmael, who was actually Abraham's first son, not with his wife Sarah, but with his. Basically with his maid.

David Lee Corbo (21:01)

Oh, yeah, yeah. He kicks him out of the camp.

Ed Mabry (21:04)

Right, right. Yeah. Well, she says, like, you know, yeah, thanks for the summer. Get out. You know, she wasn't doing the right thing there. But there is no direct lineage between the sons of Ishmael and the current Arabic nations because unlike the Jews, who were. Who didn't generally intermarry. I'm not saying their bloodline isn't pure, but they tended to try to stay among themselves. The Ishmaelites, they just married everybody. Esau, he married into the Ishmaelite tribes. He took an Ishmaelite wife. They were marrying everyone. So you can't directly say that everyone who's Arabic is a son of Ishmael, which would make them a descendant of Abraham. But there's no genetic reason to believe that. So saying that Islam is an Abrahamic religion. No, the Abrahamic religion is a religion of the God of the Elohim, of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, Yahweh. If you're not worshiping Yahweh, then you are not a part of the Abrahamic religions. And unfortunately, if you're a Muslim, you are not part of the Abrahamic religion. Because Abraham never acknowledged Allah. He didn't.

David Lee Corbo (22:06)

Interesting.

Ed Mabry (22:07)

So it's not. So if you're Jewish. Yes. You're. If you're worshiping that. The Judeo Christian God. Yes. You're, you're. You're an Abrahamic religion. If you're, if you're a Christian, you are. Because we were grafted in, according to Paul, in the book of Galatians. But yeah. So anyway, so that's one thing. The other piece wasn't.

Top Lobster (22:27)

How does.

Ed Mabry (22:27)

Yeah, go ahead.

Top Lobster (22:28)

Wasn't King David also. He had a Moabite blood. Right. So he wasn't pure Jews. So it's like it, that's the thing. It throws these, like, these genetic lineages kind of into fray because then Jesus kind of come. Jesus comes through the line of, of David, you know, so it's like he wasn't even 100. It's like, it's very complex.

Ed Mabry (22:49)

Well, because the, and this is throughout the Bible, the lineage goes through the father. So the. So he. So David was a. Had Moabite blood in him through. Through Ruth.

Top Lobster (23:01)

Right.

Ed Mabry (23:01)

But Ruth's husband, Boaz was a, Was an Israelite. So that's, that's how you Graph.

Top Lobster (23:08)

So then why do current Jews do. Patriarch of. What is that called? I don't know how to say patriarchal or patriarchal matriarchal lineage. Like yeah, if your mother is Jewish, it's, it's opposite almost.

Ed Mabry (23:21)

That's the opposite. That's not, that's wrong. And they should know that because that's in the Old Testament. It's not like you can say, oh that's, that's something that the Christians made up. Nah. If you look at all the genealogies, they, they are male. Now granted, the genealogy of Jesus in, in Matthew and in Luke do mention certain women and those women happen to be gentiles. But I think that's mostly for two reasons. One, to acknowledge that these, that these women such as Rahab who was in Jericho and, and Ruth and, and Esther and all those, they. It's the Bible's way of honoring them. And also saying that, you know, women are important. We're not saying that women aren't. God's not saying that women aren't important. What he's saying is that the male has a different role and so the seed goes through the male line. Remember, Jesus was not the biological son of Joseph. Jesus was a, was a descendant of the royal house of David through his legal father Joseph. Now Mary was also a descendant of David, but she was not a descendant through the royal line. She went through David's because Joseph went, went through the royal line of Solomon. Mary was, was through the non royal line of Nathan who was another son of David. So Jesus had the, he had the legal and, and also that line was cursed through one of Solomon's descendants, Jehayakim. God said that no, none of your descendants will ever prosper. And so that freaked the Pharisees out because I. Wait a minute. If, if God puts a blood curse on the royal line, then who can, who can. Then how can you be a descendant of David and be king? Well, because Jesus was a descendant of David through the non cursed line through Nathan and but he also had the legal right through Joseph. So that's a whole other thing.

David Lee Corbo (24:58)

So it seems like the only thing that matters is belief in the sun.

Ed Mabry (25:02)

Right?

David Lee Corbo (25:03)

That's the only thing that matters. At the end of the day, it almost seems like a way sometimes I.

Top Lobster (25:07)

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David Lee Corbo (25:17)

But it seems like, you know, somebody stop I look at.

Top Lobster (25:20)

It's not good. It's not good with what I'm doing here. This isn't terrible.

David Lee Corbo (25:23)

I look at the, the fulfillment of prophecy by the coming of Jesus Christ and I, and I see it as like, oftentimes in so many different ways, a simplification because everything got so messed up that, you know, we needed to rectify this entire thing. And it's like it works on so many different levels. So it's almost like the argument of genetic lineage is moot. It doesn't matter. What matters is belief in the sun.

Ed Mabry (25:46)

Well, and the reason it doesn't matter is because right now God is not dealing with the world through the, the Jews. The Jews. The point was the Jews were supposed to all become, quote, unquote, Christians, believers because they're. First there were Jews and Gentiles and, you know, before Jesus, the Jews were the nation through whom he was supposed to proselytize, proselytize the world. Then there, then after Jesus, there. It was meant to just be Gentiles in the church, but then certain Jews didn't believe. So now there are Jews Gentiles in the church. But there's a reason that, no, the temple's destroyed, so they aren't doing sacrifices. Jesus does not. You don't need to be a legal Jew to be a Christian. The Christians are whom God is, through whom God is dealing with right now. It doesn't mean that the Jews are irrelevant. They. But until the age of Christianity is done, until the age of the church is over, that's when we'll go back to the, the, the previous dispensation or era, if you want to call it that, because during the tribulation, you, in order to be saved again, the Holy Spirit will not be dwelling in people the way he does now. I think you're actually going to have to know how to become a believer through the Jews. That's all. We'll do a whole, we should do a whole show on that because that's nothing.

David Lee Corbo (27:00)

I mean, this is. Like I said, I'm always so happy to talk to you because these questions are, you know, I. Sometimes I feel like they're a silly question. But the exchange that we, we have on this show, especially with, you know, my dynamic is like I'm coming from a place of very limited knowledge. And it ends up so often that my question ends up in this big fascinating thing, at least in my opinion, this big fascinating answer.

Ed Mabry (27:25)

Right.

David Lee Corbo (27:25)

Right now where I'm saying in my limited knowledge, I have a big soft Spot for the messianic Jews. I think there's a pastor, there's a.

Top Lobster (27:32)

Guy named Pastor Ben and he, he's a big fan of yours. He's, he wants to come on the show. We have, we're going to schedule you, Ben. But he said specifically why he likes our show because like the show crosses the line often.

David Lee Corbo (27:45)

And we asked him like, we're like, why do you as a pastor listen to us as idiots? It's, it seems, you know, bad for you.

Top Lobster (27:53)

But one of his favorite, I guess his favorite parts of the show was you coming on for, you know, 20 some odd episodes. And he was like, it's like, it was like he's speaking to children. It's like, yeah, kind of.

Ed Mabry (28:10)

Said, by the way, because I was trying to make notes because you guys had a few things I wanted to comment on. Comment on. You were talking about, you know, there are certain, and I've encountered them, you know, certain black people who say we're the real Hebrews. And you have the whole 10 lost tribes thing which I did a whole, a couple of videos on, where basically they said that the, the ten lost tribes migrated to northern Europe and then magically transformed from Middle Eastern Jews to blonde hair, blue eyed Caucasians. Then they came to the US and now the US is new Israel. And you said something top, which I thought was really funny because, because it's something I'll, I always say when I'm, when I'm dealing with this and you say, you know, why would you want to be. Because usually I always get, you know.

Top Lobster (28:45)

Grabbed on and cut your wiener off. It's no good.

Ed Mabry (28:48)

But I say, I say the same thing. Why would you want to be a Jew and you could be the church? Because people take pride in it. Because I've gotten, I wouldn't say heated.

David Lee Corbo (28:55)

Arguments, but I, well, because it's God's chosen, right?

Ed Mabry (28:57)

Right. Well, yeah, but look at what God actually says to them and, and, and, and, and what his precepts are to them. Because I had a guy who got really mad at me because he was, he was an older white guy and he says, no, we're, we're the real Jews. We're the Jews. You know, we're like. Let me ask you a question. Why would you want to be a Jew if you could be part of the church? Do you understand that the promises God made to the church are infinitely better than the promises to Israel? The promises to the, to Israel are temporal. Yeah. He said they love to quote Deuteronomy chapter 28. When it talks about the blessings, the first 15 verses says, you know, if. If you obey. And by the way, these are conditional promises you have to obey. If you obey, blessed you will be coming in and going out and in the field, blah, blah, you're going to be. You're going to get stuff if you obey. But if you don't obey, because that's one third of Genesis of. Of Genesis 28, the other 2/3 are all the curses if you don't obey. And the curses are even worse than the blessings. But none of the people who were the ten lost tribe folk ever want to talk about all the curses. They just want to say, where's the Jews? We should get all these blessings. Yeah. Are you obedient? Because if you're not obedient, then you're going to get all the curses, which are worse.

David Lee Corbo (30:05)

Yes. That was something that I never understood before. You know, it sounds screwed up. It's like, why is. Why is God sending a strong delusion and doing this?

Ed Mabry (30:14)

But.

David Lee Corbo (30:14)

But after learning about Saul and, And the decisions that he made that were directly in contrast to the directives that God gave him, it's. I understand that thing. It's like, okay, you don't want to listen and you don't want to, you know, adhere to the truth and adhere to my word. Kind of gonna make it a lot worse for you then. Like, it's. I understand that.

Ed Mabry (30:33)

And the other thing is that the church is the bride of Christ Israel. And we see this in. In. In the parables in Matthew 25 about, you know, the parable of the 10 virgins, because the 10 virgins are. Are considered like the bridesmaids, and they represent Israel. They don't represent the church. So basically, the church is the bride of Christ. The Israel is like the best man. Who would you rather be in relationship to Jesus, his bride or his buddy? You know, I got. Probably.

David Lee Corbo (31:09)

As long as it's not weird.

Ed Mabry (31:12)

My best friend was with my best man in my wedding. Known him longer than I know my w. Love. Great guy, but my wife's name is on our house, and he's inherited my bank account. Who gets a bet? Who gets more access to me? My buddy or my. Why would you want to be Jesus's buddy when you could be his bride? And that's why I don't get when people are trying to be like the black. The black Hebrews. We're the real Jews. I. I don't want to be a Jew. I want to be the church because the church inherits Everything.

David Lee Corbo (31:39)

You know what I think it is? It's that black people's history has been. We've all had our history, like, obfuscated and hidden from us, and we've been lied to on a grand scale. I would say that the community, or black people in general, have been at the forefront of receiving those deceptions and having their cultures destroyed and everything. And I think when you're that disenfranchised from, you know, the history of mankind, you don't know where you fit in. It's very frustrating. And that's what gives rise to, like, honestly, within the black community. There's a lot of this, like, not only are they. There's the black Israelites, but there's also the whole Yakub thing where it's like the idea that black people made white people. But then there's also.

Ed Mabry (32:15)

I talked about that in college.

David Lee Corbo (32:16)

Yeah, yeah, dude. And. And recently I saw a video where they were like, we were the original Nazis, which is.

Top Lobster (32:22)

Oh, no, wait, now they're. Now they're also redheads or now they're also redheads.

David Lee Corbo (32:28)

So what. So what's going on is like, they've been stripped of their identity to such a massive degree. And in the west, we give them victimhood identity. So you could either adhere to that or you can kind of go crazy trying to figure out who your people are, you know, so they're just kind of claiming everything. And I think the reason they claim that is because it's God's chosen. But.

Ed Mabry (32:46)

Yeah, and also because, you know, we've been through a lot and it looks like that. It looks like you say black people have. Have received the. The curses because, you know, we, you know, obviously, you know, enslavement and. And like, a lot of the resources in. In many of the African nations have been taken by, you know, non black people, so forth and so on. So. Yeah, well, we seem like them. So maybe we are happening right now.

David Lee Corbo (33:06)

With the lithium mines and the. Yeah, it's.

Top Lobster (33:10)

It's.

David Lee Corbo (33:10)

Yeah, it's ongoing constantly.

Ed Mabry (33:13)

Right. So, yeah, it's part of. It's really like. Like you said, Raven, it's about trying to find an identity. Even if the identity is not great. At least we know who we are.

David Lee Corbo (33:22)

Yeah.

Ed Mabry (33:22)

And look, I'm obviously. Obviously I'm black. I don't know. I've, you know, done the 23andMe, which I shouldn't have done because other means. They have all my DNA. But it was a gift from my father about, you know, 15 years ago. It was just like A gift to this. And it turns out, you know, there's mostly Nigerian, some western, some other parts of Western African, Ghana, whatever. But anyway, the point is that, you know, trying to find that identity is important because it, it's important to your self esteem to know who you are. And even if you're identifying with a marginalized group, at least, hey, at least we know our identity. It's better than like not knowing who you are.

Top Lobster (34:00)

But where'd you come? Like, where do I come from? So I know where I'm going. Is it right? Exactly.

David Lee Corbo (34:04)

I also like the energy of like, we're all very lost right now. There's been a ma. A massive effort to obscure the past. And I like that there are like segments of the black community that's like, well, I mean, if we're all lost, let's just grab, let's, let's just say whatever. Let's just say whatever. And I'm like, that's fun. That's a lot of fun. I really agree with that.

Top Lobster (34:21)

Mix it up. I like, I do. Like, I'm telling you, man, it's a crazy psyop. Like they, so they've replaced a lot of. I think that this is a different conspiracy, but they've replaced a ton of red headed Marvel characters with black people. And now there's like this movement of black people telling redheads that they said, no, you're actually black, that redhead people are black, but you're like albino and that's why you don't fit in. And I'm like, I love it.

Ed Mabry (34:43)

Just so I'm a ginger now is what you're saying.

David Lee Corbo (34:45)

Basically, I don't have no idea.

Top Lobster (34:48)

Make it crazy. It's fun.

David Lee Corbo (34:49)

That's it. The fact that they just came along and claimed gingers is the most fun.

Top Lobster (34:53)

It's like, why didn't I think of that?

Ed Mabry (34:55)

We could have claimed.

David Lee Corbo (34:56)

There's videos, dude. There's videos of like gingers hanging out with black people and being like, yeah, baby, like we're the same people. And I'm like, this is healing.

Ed Mabry (35:04)

So, yeah, I will tell you this. I, I kind of, I don't think I had a thing for ginger actually in college I dated the red hair. Now looking at their back ends, there's no blackness there.

Top Lobster (35:17)

He's right. The man has a case closed.

David Lee Corbo (35:20)

Honestly, albinoism is a loss of pigmentation. Like, it's right, but I like it. It makes it so much cooler when it's like, no, it's not a loss of pigmentation. It's a lost aspect of the black community. I'm like, hell, yeah.

Top Lobster (35:30)

My cousin. My cousin that looks just like me. He was on the show early, early, early on the show. Cousin Dave, a lot of people, they go up to him and they. He looks like me, but, like, not. And they think that he's an albino black dude because, like, he's got.

Ed Mabry (35:44)

It's.

Top Lobster (35:44)

His hair is, like. Is curly. My hair is curly. But his is tighter. So he gets like an afro. And his. Something about his facial features, they're like mine, but just a little bit different. And they're like. They look at him, he doesn't tan. He doesn't get tan at all. So he stays white. So they think he's an albino dude. I'm like, yeah, let's just run. This is making crazy.

Ed Mabry (36:00)

You know what? Light. Everyone do it. You can start his own podcast.

David Lee Corbo (36:04)

Well, that's the thing. Who can blame anybody? We don't know anything anymore. They hid history from us.

Ed Mabry (36:08)

The dark ginger. That'll be.

David Lee Corbo (36:10)

Yeah, I know you had some. Some questions you said that came across your table, Ed, and. And I'm kind of excited to answer those here. I think I like that aspect of the show too, where it's like, we're bringing these questions that people are kicking your way and we're unpacking them. What do you got for us, Ed?

Ed Mabry (36:25)

Okay, so as part of the Bible study, this, you know, we're going through the entire Bible. And so a couple months ago, we were talking about the Exodus and. And you know, how again, from the supernatural point of view, looking at how God was basically, the 10 plagues were not just about the physical, you know, turning them out to blood and the hail and the, you know, frogs and lice. God was specifically judging the Egyptian gods. You know, he would judge. He would judge news and Hathor, who was a goddess of cattle, and he would judge, you know, Osiris, who was a God with the firstborn and. And Kek, who was a God of the frogs. And anyway, so that's what he was doing. And.

Top Lobster (37:01)

Whoa. No, I said what?

David Lee Corbo (37:05)

So, yeah, I don't hear that a lot, you know, as far as the judgment of the Egyptian gods, because peripherally, from the outside looking in, it looks like a straight up a judgment on the pharaoh.

Ed Mabry (37:16)

Right? No, it was. It was. It. No. What God was showing. Again, that's why the great thing about the Bible study is that you get that other point of view that he wasn't just about, hey, I'm just randomly smacking the Egyptian people upside the head with these things? No, they were specifically to show that the God of the Israelites, Yahweh, is superior to all the gods that the Egyptians were worshiping. It was really, it was a flex God saying I am the true God. Because not only am I going to, you know, judge your gods, I'm going to judge them specifically on who they are. So you know, the, the God of the frogs kick, I'm gonna, I'm gonna bring these frogs. If he's so powerful and he's over the frogs, why doesn't he stop it? He can't because I'm God. Why does, you know, why doesn't Hathor stop the slaughtering of the cattle? So, and we were talking about the narrative in Pharaoh's hardened heart and someone asked me, okay, well that doesn't seem fair. So let's just look at what the scenario was. What we're told when this is, you know, it's in the Bible, obviously is that God tells Moses, Israelites cry out, you know, we're, we've been enslaved, we want to get, we set us free. And God commissions Moses. He says, go to, you're going to go to Pharaoh and tell them, let my people go. And then, but Pharaoh's going to say no. And I'm, but I'm gonna harden his heart and, and then, because I'm hardening his, hardening his heart, then I'm going to judge him with all these plagues and show all my signs and wonders. And then not only are they going to let you go, they're going to give you a bunch of stuff, riches and, and send you off again. That on the surface that doesn't seem fair. Like God hardens Pharaoh's heart so that he'll say no. And then you judge him on the heart that you hardened. And so I understand that's something that bothered me growing up, not having a full explanation for because again most churches pastors don't like to be questioned because honestly I think they just don't know, right? So I kind of broke it down. So here's, here is what's the scenario? Yes, God does tell Moses everything I just said, but he tells Moses, go to Pharaoh and tell Pharaoh to let my people go. He doesn't say to set them free from slavery. He says to let them go to Mount Sinai to worship me. He that's a three day journey. Basically, God says, can you give him a weekend pass to go and worship me? He'd never said they got, you gotta let him go. Because here's the thing. So this, that Pharaoh was not the one who enslaved him. That was done generations before. So while it's not good that he. That they were enslaved, it wasn't technically his fault. So if you look at, at justice, what justice means is everything has to equal out. It even matches what people say about things like karma or whatever. It just means that everything has to equal out. So if you do something bad, God can pay you back by doing something bad to you. And then you're at zero. So you're at zero. You do something bad. You're at minus one. God makes something bad happen to you. Now you're at zero if you do something good. But. And you don't get paid back and you're at plus one, well, God can reward you to get you back to zero. So justice is just getting you to zero. That's really important because in my, my next Genesis video that I'm putting up on Patreon probably today, because I'm just finishing up, the video is on the seventh day of rest. And what that meant was that God is not. Thank you. Okay. It doesn't mean that he was tired, but the resting mean that God sees his activity of being the first cause. He stopped initiating his will unilaterally. The first two chapters, God is saying, this is, I want this world. I want the. I'm going to make the world and make the angels. I'm going to make this land in the sea and all this kind of stuff. Then he says, okay, I'm done. From now on, I'm only going to react. The idea of the job of being the first cause is given over to Adam and Eve. You guys do what you want to do. I'm just going to react. So he can only react through justice. So from Genesis chapter two all the way to the very end of the book, everything God does is a reaction to what we do and what the fallen angels do. He never initiates his will again. So with Pharaoh, he. He doesn't initiate his will. What happened was there was justice there. Because the Israelites had been enslaved for a long time. They earned a weekend pass. It was more than reasonable to ask for this. So God says, hey, give him a weekend past. Here's what. So Pharaoh's still at zero. He hasn't done anything wrong yet. So what does he do? First Pharaoh says no. Now he's at minus one. Not only does he say no, then he says, I'm going to make their burden harder because I'm going to make them get Their own straw to make the bricks. And they have to do the same amount of bricks as before. But now they got to go gather their own straw. That was unjust. Now Pharaoh's at minus two. So now God can. Can implement justice. So the first thing, he hardens his heart. And every time God executes justice, he does it in proportion to what was done. Pharaoh was stubborn by saying no and by heart and by increasing their burden. God says, okay, you're going to be stubborn. I'm going to make you more stubborn. I'm going to harden your heart. So now Pharaoh's heart is hardened, so now he's at minus one. And then God says, I want to send a plague onto Israel. Excuse me, onto Egypt. And with the. With the blood and the Nile now just as it's equaled out. So the hardening of the heart was just because Pharaoh was at a negative. And God could do that. And then he's. And. And then Pharaoh made their burden more difficult. So God can say, okay, I'm going to burden you, so I'm going to make the Nile blood. Now he's at zero. So Moses goes back because. And he says, let my people go. Pharaoh says, no, he's a minus one. So God can bring about. About the next plan, about the next plague. Rather then Pharaoh's. That he was a minus one. Now he's at zero again. Then at the second plague, the plague of frogs, Pharaoh says, okay, I'm gonna let them. I'm gonna let him go. If you. If you can call off the frogs. Moses says, cool. God calls off the frogs. Then Pharaoh doesn't let them go. He lies. So now he's a minus two. So now God hardens his. So so now and you. And then Pharaoh hardens his own heart. If you read the narrative, God only hardens his heart once at the very beginning. Then Pharaoh hardens his own heart. Why? Because Pharaoh doesn't realize he's at a negative. He thought he was perfectly within his rights to. To not let the Israelites go and to make their burdens harder. So Pharaoh thinks he is at zero when he's actually at minus one or minus two. So then he gets even worse and he hardens his own heart. It goes to minus three. So God can make. Can keep escalating these plagues because Pharaoh keeps doing worse and worse. So he's always in the negative side of justice. So God can continue to heat plagues upon him. And that's why the plagues keep getting worse and worse. All I think he said, if you do the math. He's at about him when he gets to the final plague of the death of the firstborn, he's at about a minus five because he keeps, because a couple of times he'll say, okay, I'll let him go if you call off the plagues. Moses calls out the plagues, he says, not doing it. And then he hardens his heart again. He hardens.

David Lee Corbo (43:54)

So that's why something so extreme was allowed to befall.

Ed Mabry (43:58)

Right. Egypt.

David Lee Corbo (44:01)

Okay.

Ed Mabry (44:01)

And then, and so, and then someone had a follow up question and they said, you know, well, why did the Egyptians get this punishment for Pharaoh? Well, because they had been benefiting from the Israelites being enslaved for all this time. And they could have said, hey, you know, after the first plane, let these people go, get them out of here. They, they said, no, we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna stand with you. And so they were completely complicit in it. And so at the very end they, all of them, you know, they let the Israelites go and they gave them all their riches. So what? And so what this person did, I'm not going to name him because I'm not gonna out him. But he revealed that he had been the victim of abuse growing up. And he asked to say if, if everything that happens is, is with God's approval and God's justice. Did I do something to, to, to deserve being abused? And I said, no my man, no, absolutely not. You didn't do anything to be dessert to deserve it, but you have to understand that. And he said, well then why didn't God stop it? Because God no longer initiates his will. God can only react. He can't punish anyone before they commit the sin. Which means unfortunately, that they have to commit the sin in order for God to render justice to them. We don't like it because we prefer God just stop it before it happens. But if he did that, he, number one, he'd be going against his own precept. And number two, he'd be violating our free will. If we, if, if you knew that God was going to stop you from doing something bad before you did it, do you really have free will? But what he can do is, is, is punish people afterwards. But, and again, that's the system of justice that we all acknowledge every day. You don't call the police because you think somebody, you think somebody is going to kill you or somebody's coming after you. You can only call the police, only arrest you for murder. They can't arrest you for Thinking about murder?

Top Lobster (45:55)

Well, not yet.

Ed Mabry (45:58)

Not yet.

David Lee Corbo (45:59)

Well, you know what that reminds me of?

Ed Mabry (46:01)

They can't justly arrest you for just thinking bad thoughts about someone. You have to actually do it, I think.

David Lee Corbo (46:09)

Yeah. Our free will across, even like the pagan mythology seems to be like this. One of the most central components to this. It's like even when, you know, Zeus and the rest of the pantheon want something from their, their heroes, their demigods, their chosen champions, you could see in a lot of situations, it has to be their choice. They're not allowed to intercede in a, in a, in a big way. They can possibly inspire, but they can't just direct. And what's interesting is that theme has popped up again recently. This woman on Tick Tock who is channeling this thing called Seven, and she's been channeling it for 13 years using a Ouija board. And she's got all the transcribes of all the communications she's had with this thing. And it, it does speak about, like, their destiny. Her and her friends who are communicating with this thing via the Ouija board, and they get very frustrated because every time it talks about what they're supposed to do, it's very vague. And they outright ask it several times like, why can't you just tell us what we're supposed to do? This is, you know, very anxiety inducing. It. We seem to have these, these things. There you go. Please ban the Ouija board. We seem to have these really important missions. We don't know how to start them. We don't know what they're about. And it alludes to the idea that it has to be them. It has to be them. They have to make the decision. Whatever this thing is isn't supposed to intercede. And I think there is a set of rules that even God seems to adhere to.

Ed Mabry (47:40)

Yeah, we're going to talk about this actually in the next part. There's some Nephilim stuff I want to talk about with the fallen angels, but people underestimate the level of sovereignty that human beings have. No one can make us do anything. God can't. And so certainly the fallen angels can't. It has to be a choice. They cannot force us. The Devil made me do it. No, he didn't. Devil didn't. You know what's funny about that? He can influence you. Yeah, go ahead.

David Lee Corbo (48:04)

My son got in some trouble yesterday. And when I asked him why he did a thing, it was because his friend told him to do a thing. And even, even, you know, just a, a goofy human in my lack of wisdom, you know, I adhere to the same rules. It's. It doesn't matter who told you to do a thing. You are ultimately responsible for anything that you choose to do. And throughout life, you will not get far if you do a thing and blame it on everybody but yourself. You know, it's.

Ed Mabry (48:34)

It's.

David Lee Corbo (48:34)

Yeah, that theme echoes consistently through life.

Ed Mabry (48:37)

Yeah. Well, this person who I was talking to, he was basically saying that, you know, if. If God's in control of everything, you know, and he used the Job example with, you know, with the Hasatan, the Satan. Well, he said, well, then basically, God approves of everything that's done, meaning that God approved of the abuse. And I'm like, no, first of all, I mean, I, I pointed him back to the part, to the. The study in the Bible, said, we went over Job and actually the, The Hasatan, and Job is not the, the dragon, who we call. It seems he was. He was. Hasatami's the adversary. And he was. He was actually a good angel. His job. He had the job of being the adversary. His job was to test people to see if they would still walk with God under adversity. That's what Job was all about. But that's a whole other thing. And I said, no, that doesn't, because God does not. Just because God allowing something isn't the same as approving it. Approving of it. Because if, if everything you do, I mean, if you allow someone to do something, it doesn't. It means you're not stopping them from it. From doing it. So, yes, God allows these things to happen because if he didn't allow it, he wouldn't have free will. Right. And you can't have it both ways. We kind of want it both ways. We want people to not have free will to harm us, but we want them to have. But we want to have free will to do what. What we want to do. Yeah, you can't have it both ways. Either we have free will or we don't. God cannot curtail the free will of people who we want him to curtail the free will of, but then give us free will to do what we want to do. That's kind of hypocritical. So if you believe in free will and you believe it's a good thing, then you have to accept the fact that people have the free will to choose to do evil.

David Lee Corbo (50:12)

That seems very obvious to me.

Ed Mabry (50:13)

Yeah.

David Lee Corbo (50:13)

And people struggle with that immensely. That's a, that's an argument that you'll Hear against the, the concept of God even existing. Why would, why would a God, you know, allow this thing to happen? If there was a, a benign creator, a good creator out there? And, and why then does he allow these things? And it's like, that is a very. You can't have free will and then also have the Creator interceding on, on behalf to. It takes away your free will.

Ed Mabry (50:42)

Does that also mean we couldn't do free good things? I mean, let's say I see someone homeless on the street and I want to give them some money. Well, if I don't have free will, I can't do that either. People only think about the bad things we do with our free will, but we also have the option to do good things. We can help people. We can, we can do things that are beneficial, but if we don't have free will, we can't even do that. So you can't have it both ways. You can't have God's in that. We talked about this when we talked about the millennium. You know, that's the point of the millennium, is that Jesus will judge people immediately. And that's why they're going to hate the millennium so much, because they're like, we don't have any freedom. We can't do anything. Well, this is what you said you wanted. You said you wanted God to step in immediately every time when evil is being committed and stop it. Well, again, people are only thinking about the big evils that other people do, not the small evils that they do. Like, you know, lying, cheating, stealing, lusting, getting angry. Oh, that's not a big deal. Well, it's. If it's evil, it's evil. I mean, you know, Grant, they're not on the same scale, but, you know, lying to someone is a sin. Just like, you know, molest, molestation is a sin. They're not. Again, they're, they're more dramatic effects. But there's both of. God doesn't want either of them, so he has to stop both. Not just those big things that other people do, but also the small things you do. And it's going to be restrictive. So no one, Everyone wants free will when it benefits them, but they don't want free will and it doesn't benefit them. And you can't have it that way.

Top Lobster (52:02)

I feel that struggle, man. I mean, just doing this, doing this show, like we want, we want the free will to kind of like explore these wild ideas and kind of go crazy. But then I'm also like, oh, well, God, please Bless the. What I'm doing. And he's like, I don't even know how that works together in conjunction with these things, but I don't know, trying to make something interesting here. So.

Ed Mabry (52:24)

Yeah, why. I think. I think he looks at the bigger picture as well. It's like, are you doing these things? I mean, it's not. You're on only fans, you know, doing something like that.

Top Lobster (52:33)

Just when they, when they find my only fans, then the show is definitely over.

Ed Mabry (52:37)

I think in the big picture, your. Your goal is to do good by, you know, bringing a different perspective, bringing in people who don't want to hear a stodgy message from some guy in a suit standing in a pulpit saying, you know, you know, be good or God's going to smack you around. No, you want someone who can, you can relate to and who's. There are different ways to get to, you know, to God.

Top Lobster (52:59)

And it's interesting because. And I don't want to like, brag about what the show is, but my, My cousin, she's. She's married to this guy and he will have him on the show eventually when they, when they come back to visit, but he's in like, seminary. He's a. He's like a biblical theologian. He's. He's very like solo scriptura kind of guy, like, to. The book, doesn't curse, doesn't do any of these things. And I, I'm the kind of dude that when I'm hanging out with them, I'll. I'll push all his buttons. And he's such, He's a good sport about it. He's not gonna, like, he doesn't get like, offended and walk away, but he's just like, this guy's crazy. But he, he got the opportunity in South Carolina now to, to pastor his own church as he's still. I, I think he graduated from whatever theological school he's going, he's doing more, but he's also pastoring, which is just a great opportunity. And he actually asked me a couple weeks ago when he was here. He was like, what do you think is a good method for like, like evangelizing? Going door to door, knocking or talking to people? And, And I'm just like, man, I don't.

Ed Mabry (54:03)

We.

Top Lobster (54:04)

We spoke about it for like three hours, and then I actually brought him into my office. I showed him what I do, what we do here as far as content creation. I was like, I think you should be implementing this. Not the way I do it, of course, is.

Ed Mabry (54:14)

I.

Top Lobster (54:14)

This is insane. But like, in your own way, there's ways that you can do. So, like, we were just sitting down and chatting about these explanations on how to reach people. Because in the end, he sees what we're doing here and he, I guess I've never discussed my goals or aims with him with this show specifically, but he sees it. He's like, I get what, what is happening. I see the result. And then he, he's saying like, how do I do that? And I'm like, I have, I don't have answers. Like, I don't have like a, A, you know, a brick and mortar ministry or ministry at all. But this is what I do. These, this might work for you. And it was, it was a great conversation. I think you would, you would enjoy him too. Ed.

David Lee Corbo (54:54)

I try to give somebody advice is like, you know, on how to do. This is really weird because I don't even think this is what we set out to do. I don't know what we set out to do. We just set out to talk about things and then, you know, so, so even if I tried to give somebody advice, like, you're going to want to do this and you're going to want to do that, like, that would kind of be false.

Top Lobster (55:11)

There is a thing right now that's not working for the modern Christian church or pastors where he's like, he's seeing that, like, we're approaching normal people. And I'm able to have this conversation. Like, I'm not going to have the conversation and be like, all right, would you like to close your eyes and accept Jesus Christ with me now? Like, I, I can't bring you past that line, but I can at least open this, this door that they can't. You know, I have to get, I got to get you to that guy. I got to get you to Mark, or I got to get you to Ed. And then they could, they can close the deal. Because I just know that that's not in my skill box. But it's not in his skill box to talk to a lot of different people about these subjects or even open up the conversation. A hard open. Like, I went into a new age smoke shop slash bar club and I'm talking to Jesus Christ about these guys on an island somewhere next to Epstein island, probably. I don't know how I did it, but like, like we got there, two hour conversation and we're doing it and it's like, so he's asking me how you do that? I was like, I don't know.

Ed Mabry (56:12)

I would say authenticity I. I really think that, you know, there's. It's become a cliche in. In the social media world that authenticity is a new currency. It's. People don't want a polished, polish, scripted thing. They want people to just be who you are. We can. We can see through that on Now. There's so much media out there that you know when someone's being fake, you can just sense it because. Because you also know when people are being authentic because there's so many content creators out there that are just real. You can say, okay, well, now I know this person is sincere. I can feel that about him. So I would just tell him, just be. Be you. Because people can see through it now.

David Lee Corbo (56:48)

It's a.

Top Lobster (56:50)

Because, like, I was.

Ed Mabry (56:51)

I.

Top Lobster (56:51)

We're a little off subject, but, like, there is a thing with the modern church where it's either, like, some of the contents out there that's put out there is just poor, poorly recorded. It's really horrible to look at. Like, they don't. It's almost like they don't care about the aesthetic. Some of the other content is super overproduced. The aesthetic is tremendous, better than some Hollywood stuff. But the content, it makes it almost seem like disingenuous, the content. So I'm like, I'm trying to. Yeah, it feels plastic, but it looks great. Like, they, you know, he's got his $5,000 Taylor guitar that's made from CO wood and all this stuff, but he's playing G chord, C chords on. It's like. It's weird. And I'm telling him, I'm like, listen, there's a space. And it's like a little bit of trickery, but it's like, you can have high quality stuff. You can record it in such a way where it does feel genuine. You have to. I don't know how to tell you to do it, but, like, there. There's a. A pattern. There's a method here that you can get to a very good product that will reach a lot of people that doesn't seem pretentious, and some people just can't seem to land there. I don't know.

David Lee Corbo (57:52)

And I got to admit, like, right now I'm seeing this in the chat, so. So Reb Sims says, my dad is a pastor, and, like, dude, every time one of that, like, that flavor of thing happens, I'm like, what are you doing here? Like, I know. I know what they're doing here at the Book of Genesis episode with Ed Mabry, but I see Reb all the Time and. And knowing that I'm like, didn't your father teach you better than to listen to people like me? And top. I don't know.

Top Lobster (58:18)

It's.

Ed Mabry (58:18)

It is the worst.

David Lee Corbo (58:20)

Yeah.

Top Lobster (58:23)

She belongs here.

David Lee Corbo (58:24)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe you're right. Maybe you're right. Maybe she does belong here. I don't know. It's just always surprising to me. It's the same thing with Pastor Ben, where it's like, I imagine that much of the way we explore topics would. Would make people recoil if you grew up in the church.

Top Lobster (58:36)

And.

David Lee Corbo (58:36)

And that doesn't seem to be the case. And maybe that goes to the thing that you're talking about, where it's like, it's authenticity. Because when I see Joel Olsteen, I go, luckily, I know that one man's mouthpiece is not the ultimate representative of Christianity or anything, for that matter. But I could see how that would immediately turn you off because it's unrelatable. That guy does not feel like there's a human in that flesh suit. None of that feels.

Ed Mabry (59:01)

But, you know, he goes home and gets pegged.

David Lee Corbo (59:03)

Exactly. Exactly. Exactly.

Ed Mabry (59:06)

And.

David Lee Corbo (59:06)

And. But I mean, is his. You know, he's. He's reading from the book, and he's. He's probably applying appropriate scriptures, you know, because a lot of his. Like, you might be going through this in your life or that in your life, and here's a scripture that's relative to that. And then you get up and you perform that. And let's. Like, so all of that is there, but the mouthpiece feels like a. Like you said before, plastic. That's exactly what I think of when I think of Joel Olsteen or that other guy that looks like a demon. He doesn't look like plastic. He looks like something else. What's the. The old guy's name with the fire in his eyes. I forget what his name is.

Ed Mabry (59:37)

John Hagee.

David Lee Corbo (59:38)

No, no, no, not past. The guy that talks about being on a private jet. And he does that because he doesn't want to be on an airplane filled with demons. No, not Larson. Damn. Somebody in the chat will get it. But a lot of these more famous past. Copeland, Kenneth.

Ed Mabry (59:55)

Okay, I was going to say that I didn't know what that was you're talking about. Yeah, because he's one of these big gigantic head.

David Lee Corbo (60:00)

Yeah.

Top Lobster (60:02)

All these guys.

David Lee Corbo (60:05)

But. Yeah, so. So I see that, and I'm like, I. No wonder people are. Are disenchanted with Christianity if that's the version you're getting.

Ed Mabry (60:14)

Yeah. And then eventually a Scandal comes out and you're like, wait a minute, you're all pious. And now you do. There was a pastor, black pastor in Atlanta by the name of Eddie Long. And you know, he was, you know, all the pious. What a good guy. Then it turns out that he gets sued because he was taking a bunch of his. I forgot what he called them, but young, young boys taking him to the Caribbean. And one of them sued him because they said he came to, to the Caribbean and turn these kids out. And of course he settles out of court. And then, you know, you see a few months later, he's wasting. Well, he was actually a big, pretty big, robust guy. Looked like he worked out a lot and, you know, but then he like, shriveled up to nothing. And again, when I was in college, I, I did, I, I interned at an AIDS hospice, you know. You know, I was majoring in psychology, so I was, you know, their therapeutic stuff. So, and so I, I saw what people went through as they were deteriorating with hiv. And I'm like, that dude has aids. And he said he died of like a heart. Am I now? He died of aids. I've seen it. I, he, he went through the exact same stages that I saw people going through when I was interning for a year and a half at this AIDS hospice. So he was having gay sex with, with these boys, which is horrible. And then he ended up getting the virus.

David Lee Corbo (61:28)

Man.

Ed Mabry (61:28)

My point is that you come off as you're holier than thou, and then when it turns out you're human, then people fall away. I'm like, look, I'm human. You know, I say, I just, I just accused Joel Olson of getting picked. So I'm not going to pretend that I'm somebody I'm not. Do I use profanity? Yeah, I don't generally use it on faith by reason, not because I think profanity is a sin. It's not as profanity is a social construct. But I know that some people get offended. So I tend not to do that on my program. But I don't pretend to be better than anybody else.

David Lee Corbo (61:55)

Right. I'm just trying to show you what's massively off putting.

Ed Mabry (61:58)

Yeah, it is.

David Lee Corbo (61:59)

By the way, she belongs here.

Top Lobster (62:03)

I have been to jail.

Ed Mabry (62:06)

I've narrowly avoided jail.

David Lee Corbo (62:11)

Look at this.

Top Lobster (62:11)

What did you do?

David Lee Corbo (62:12)

She goes, she's married and she only listens to us. You. That's not good that you got to reassess everything.

Ed Mabry (62:20)

Here's what happens. So here's the story. So I was, I was in College. I was in college in Southern California. I went to ucla. And so we're near, like, Malibu and those areas. So a bunch of. A bunch of us, most black friends mostly, we go to this party in Malibu, and we just. If. I don't know if you've been to that area, but for getting back from Malibu, back to. To west la, there's like one narrow road that you go. That you go through. So we got trashed. I was off. We were all completely drunk. And so we're like, okay, we need to get back to campus. Who's going to drive? And I said, I'll drive. I'm the least drunk of all of you. So I'm driving back and I am swerving on this. Cars are coming by and guys are freaking out, and I'm just like, I got this. Don't worry. I just avoid the lights. I'm just. All I'm trying to do is avoid the lights coming towards me. So, again, I should not have been driving. It was illegal for me to be driving. And sure enough, cop pulls up behind me. We see the lights. I'm like, oh. And everyone's like. I was like, we're scared to this. God, we're gonna go to jail. You know, we're a bunch of black guys in Malibu, which is not a predominantly black area. We're going to jail. I got this guy. Don't worry, don't worry. I have my drunk confidence. So police comes, I pull over. Cop comes to the window, taps on the window, roll it down, and he says, let me see your license and registration. And I'm a Star wars fan. So I looked and I said, these are not the droids you're looking for.

Top Lobster (63:43)

It's hilarious.

Ed Mabry (63:46)

Did that work? So the cop looks at me for a second, then he just busts out laughing. Cop is dying left. He's like, get out of here. Just get going.

David Lee Corbo (63:54)

That is beautiful.

Ed Mabry (63:56)

That's why I'm going to jail.

Top Lobster (63:59)

Force. Use the Force on him.

David Lee Corbo (64:01)

It worked.

Ed Mabry (64:02)

I used the Jedi mind trick.

David Lee Corbo (64:03)

Oh, that's so funny, dude.

Top Lobster (64:05)

You surely were going to jail.

David Lee Corbo (64:09)

Right before that. You were going to jail.

Ed Mabry (64:10)

I was. I was gonna go, and deservedly so. I should not have been driving.

David Lee Corbo (64:14)

Oh, my God. All right, all right. Do we have any other questions that you wanted to talk about? Because I know we also wanted to talk a little bit.

Ed Mabry (64:20)

Yeah, we'll get you. No, that was it. That was it. I just wanted to talk about the hard and hard thing, because I know that's a big thing. It's A stumbling block for a lot of Christians. And it was for me too, because I didn't get it. It seems unfair until you.

David Lee Corbo (64:28)

Yeah, yeah.

Ed Mabry (64:29)

Go through it all.

Top Lobster (64:30)

What's the karma? I guess David liked to talk about the karma system a little bit. It's, it's, it's interesting. Like the plus one, minus one thing. I like that idea of justice, whether it be, you know, justice always seems like a negative. Like, we want justice. This guy killed somebody, put him in jail. But it's like, we want justice. Like, I don't know, I did something good. Where's my.

Ed Mabry (64:48)

Yeah, if you have something good to give something good back, that. That is. I mean, it's. I mean, yeah, the Hindus call it karma, but it's the same principle.

David Lee Corbo (64:55)

Yeah, that's interesting. That's interesting. It's interesting too, because I do think that's a lot of, like what these other pagan mythologies do is they take real principles and they'll invert them. They'll attribute them to something else other than God. You know, we've had somebody on the show, actually. No, it was, it was on my old show where I read somebody's submission. They were in communication with some sort of entity and it claimed that the karmic system was not created by God, but it was created by the angels, and it was imperfect because of that.

Ed Mabry (65:26)

And.

David Lee Corbo (65:26)

But I mean, I think you see that a lot where it's like they take. That's why if you look into all these other mythologies, there are themes that you will find in the Bible. They just attribute it to something totally different. You know, they attribute it to one of the fallen. Typically.

Ed Mabry (65:40)

Yeah, because you get the thing all the time. Aren't all religions the same? Don't they all say the same thing? Because I was talking to someone about this, about the end times, and they brought up the Kali Yuga that we're at the end of this Kaliyuga period. And how do you think that jibes with the Bible? And I said, well, look, everyone knows that we're due for a judgment at. All religions believe in an apocalypse. Not even religious, even if you're non religion. I mean, what's one of the most popular genres in Hollywood right now is apocalyptic stuff. End of the world. Oh, yeah, you know, the, the walking dead, all these different, you know, the last of us all. So every. We all know in, in. Because we all believe in justice. Whether you were believing a God or gods or not, you still believe that things should be fair. You know, that inherently that justice exists. And that this world is deserving of an equalization of justice. So you know that. So Judgment Day makes sense to you. So. And the problem, the issue with, with a Kali Yuga is not that it's untrue, but I would say the, the best lie is always wrapped in truth.

David Lee Corbo (66:36)

Oh, yeah.

Ed Mabry (66:37)

And so the thing is that the Satan, fallen angels, they don't care what you believe as long as you don't believe in salvation. So they'll say things like, yeah, you can end times, do good, be loving. All this stuff is fine as long as you don't accept Jesus as your savior. Because being good is not going to get you to heaven. Believing in the Apocalypse is not going to get you to heaven. The only thing that's going to get you to the presence of God is believing in Jesus. So they don't care if you are a good person or if you're loving and kind, because that's not how you get to heaven. They just, the only thing they don't want you to do is believe in Jesus for the salvation of your sins.

David Lee Corbo (67:12)

Yeah, So I see that a lot where it's like, you know, they would prefer to be worshiped, but they'll take you worshiping anything other than, than God over, you know, and if that means worshiping material possessions or if it means worshiping, you know, Marvel or Star wars or something like that, like, they'll take that over you worshiping God.

Ed Mabry (67:31)

So someone says, hey, the Kali Yuga. Oh yeah, Cali Yuga. That sounds like, you know, what the Bible says. So it must be the same thing. So I'll worship, you know, the gods of the, the Hindus, they're cool with that because that means you're not going to Jesus, right? Oh, well, Christianity says you should love your neighbor, but Islam says that you should love each other and treat each other kindly. And Buddhism says that you should treat people. So I'll just be a Buddhist. Fine, no problem. Because you're not going to be because you're not going to believe in Jesus.

David Lee Corbo (67:56)

It's their disdain for Christianity that leads them like, it's not like they like, oh, Buddhism just seems better. It's like, no, you actually don't like Christianity because here in the west, we've propagandized you for the past, like four or five generations into hating it.

Top Lobster (68:09)

This is what I was saying. Like with those people in the, in, in that, that place on St. Thomas, it was like we were having a good conversation and it was obviously all leaning New Agey. And when I brought up Jesus Christ. I was like, like, it's funny. Like, I could have just. If I slapped the lady, it would have been the same reaction. Just like a. Like this kind of.

David Lee Corbo (68:28)

Everybody recoils.

Top Lobster (68:30)

Everyone recoil? Yeah. It's like, oh, all right, I'll. I'm gonna get out of here.

David Lee Corbo (68:34)

Before they sacrificed me, before they said.

Ed Mabry (68:37)

You'Re gonna start bringing up the Bible and telling me I can't smoke the, the ganja and all that kind of stuff. Now it's okay.

Top Lobster (68:43)

I did bring up the Bible to them. They were actually unfamiliar with some of the. The verses that I was quoting to them. I forget even what I was saying, but I was like, oh, this is an idea. Yet it's also mentioned in the Bible. Like, in the Bible. Where in the Bible? And then I told them where in the Bible that this idea is, you know, is touched on. And they were like, huh? I'm like, yeah. Anyway. And we just like flow into conversation. It was interesting, dude.

David Lee Corbo (69:08)

Honestly, the propaganda has. It's been so successful in so many ways. And it. I think a lot of it is stand up comedians. You know, stand up comedians through the 80s and 90s are just getting on stage and they're just railing against Christianity. A sound of applause, you know, the rounded rounds of applause and.

Ed Mabry (69:22)

Yeah, well, it gets. Yeah. Nothing issue. Applause like that. I mean, I remember George Carla who I. Who was very funny, but you know, he was very real rabid atheist. Didn't really didn't like God. And you know, Bill Maher, who is less funny, but he would do the same thing that he just. It. Nothing gets. All you have to do is just come out and say the, you know, something anti God or something pro leftist and you just get applause for no good.

David Lee Corbo (69:45)

Profound. Profound. So funny.

Ed Mabry (69:47)

Stunning and brave.

David Lee Corbo (69:48)

Yeah, Stunning and brave. Yeah. Stunning and brave. There you go. Unbelievable.

Ed Mabry (69:53)

All right, so anyway, so on the Genesis series, so I'm gonna kind of move ahead of where we kind of left off because we, we talk. We'll just be kind of riffing on things in Genesis as we're working through it. And what I want to talk about just came from an interview I saw last month between Michael Knowles and Timothy Albarino.

David Lee Corbo (70:12)

Oh, that's right.

Ed Mabry (70:14)

I know pretty well. I mean, I've been. I've liked a lot of his stuff and used to work with Steve Quail. They did a lot of stuff on the Nephilim and on these different structures in, in Peru and, and Argentina and Chile and all over. Just all these certain things that they think were built by The Nephilim or by the fallen angels.

David Lee Corbo (70:32)

And yeah, they're megalithic structures. They. They attribute it to a race of giants having created cannibalistic giants who died in a flood.

Ed Mabry (70:39)

Exactly. And then you have Michael Knowles, who I. I've heard him here and there. I'm not extremely familiar with him. I know he's, you know, very hyper Catholic, but he seems like a, you know, reasonable, intelligent guy. And they were talking about the nephilim, and Knowles had a lot of good questions for him, because I know that in official Catholic doctrine, the nephilim aren't really promoted very much. And again, that's. I'm not. Not getting on a high horse because in mainstream Christianity, the nephilim aren't really talked about much as they. There's. There's the whole sons of Seth idea that the. That the Banaha Elohim were. These. Were the sons of God or the sons of God were the sons of Seth and they married just daughters of Cain and they. That's where the Nephilim came from, which makes absolutely no sense. Why would a. Why would a believer marrying a non believer have a kid who's a giant? Doesn't make any sense.

David Lee Corbo (71:28)

Right.

Ed Mabry (71:28)

You know, if that were the case when my parents were married, my. My mom was a believer. My dad wasn't at the time he became one. But if that was when I was conceived, I was conceived by a believer and unbeliever. And I'm 6:1. I'm not a giant.

David Lee Corbo (71:40)

People don't know this about you, but the camera actually takes off like three feet. I've seen pictures of you standing there. You're about 12.

Top Lobster (71:46)

Second row of teeth.

David Lee Corbo (71:47)

Yeah, yeah, we know. You got them surgically removed.

Ed Mabry (71:51)

Yeah, you're right. Me and. What's the. What's the producer's name on. On Sam Tripoli show?

Top Lobster (71:55)

Oh, he's a giant, too.

David Lee Corbo (71:57)

Oh, Mark Steves. Yeah, Mark.

Ed Mabry (71:59)

Yeah, that guy. He's. He's. He's tall.

David Lee Corbo (72:02)

I get very angry because everybody in this. In this, like, conspiracy content creation, they're all humongous people.

Top Lobster (72:08)

I don't.

David Lee Corbo (72:08)

I'm learning that, like, everybody is gigantic. You know, even the blurry creature guys are like 17ft tall. I think something like that.

Ed Mabry (72:14)

Isn't that guy who took over. He didn't take over Candace Only show, but he set in for.

David Lee Corbo (72:17)

Oh, Ian Carol. Yeah. Ian Carroll is 13ft tall.

Ed Mabry (72:21)

Yeah. Yeah. Anyway. But how. How do we even get there?

David Lee Corbo (72:26)

Oh, we were talking about Albarino.

Ed Mabry (72:28)

Yeah, Albarino. And so. So Michael Knowles was asking because Again, it's not part of. Of Catholic theology. So he asked some questions about, you know, why did they come down and, and have intercourse with women? And what Albarino basically said was that they lusted after these women to have intercourse with them, but he made it seem like they were a bunch of frat boys on a bender that they physically lusted after. They wanted to have sex because they had, you know, nice boobs and nice butt and they just wanted to, you know. And I'm like, yeah, that's not actually what happened. Angels don't have a sex drive the way we have a sex drive. And to believe that God would have to be unjust because, remember, God made the angels first before he made humanity. So. And angels don't have intercourse with each other. They're not. They're not physical beings. They don't do that.

David Lee Corbo (73:14)

So God would have had to have made them horny for no reason.

Ed Mabry (73:16)

Right, exactly. And the only.

David Lee Corbo (73:18)

Big bummer.

Ed Mabry (73:19)

Yeah. And the only. So they would say, I have this desire and there's no one here. Oh, God just made humans, so I want to go bang them. But so basically, God would have been setting them up to fail. Why would he give you a desire that you cannot legitimately have an outlet for? And if you did it, you would be sinning. That would be unfair. Now, we have the same drive and we can use it illegitimately, which many of us do, but legitimately, it's supposed to be with our spouse for enjoyment and procreation. But. But there, there is a valid outlet. So, no, they didn't have sex drive. What they had was they. They did lust after them, but their desire wasn't the physical sex. The desire was to produce the nephilim.

David Lee Corbo (73:58)

Right.

Ed Mabry (73:59)

Why? And this is when you get down to the whole purpose of them. And this also gets down to what I talked about on the seventh day, what I'm talking about on the seventh day of rest with, you know, again, I should be out later today or tomorrow. And that is the dominion of the Earth. So we talked about this earlier in the Genesis series, that when God created the heavens and the earth and then he had the. The angels, he created the, you know, the Elohim, the Malachim. They had authority over both. But then when the angelic rebellion happened, they were restricted to the heavens, to the spiritual realm. And then he gave the. The earth over to humanity. He told Adam and Eve, you know, the Earth is yours. So what are Adam and Eve? What are humanity? We are physical spiritual hybrids. We are spirit beings inside These flesh bodies. So what God said, his own law was that the earth is. Can be dominated by entities that are part physical, part spiritual. Well, then you have a contingent of angels who are like, well, we used to dominate the earth and we can't anymore. How. How can we do this? How can we get back what we want through the law of God? Well, if we can create beings that are partially physical and partly spiritual, well, then God, by his own law and rules, would have to let them dominate if they kill off everyone else, Birthright. So that. Exactly. So. Exactly. So Albarino called it. And that's why I was kind of disappointed he didn't go there. So what the. What the fallen angels saw, what they desired, what they saw from the women were that the word. I'm going to get to this, when I get to. To Genesis 6 in my. In my. In. In my series, is when they saw that the women were fair. That word is, is unfortunately translated beautiful. Which makes you think. Oh, they just saw. Thought women were hot. No, they. They saw that women were fit. Fit, extensions. See, these angels, they could see at higher dimensions. We can see our. In our three spatial dimensions.

Top Lobster (75:55)

They're extremely utilitarian. This is what they're doing. They're making something.

Ed Mabry (75:59)

Yes, that's it. Yeah. And they saw that if we have. If we make ourselves physical and have intercourse, we can produce these entities. So they saw that's what they desired. And notice that they didn't just have sex with the women, they married them. They entered into a marriage covenant with him. Intentionally because they wanted it to be legal.

David Lee Corbo (76:18)

Yes. Yeah. Yeah. It also makes sense as to why the punishment was like, you're going to watch your children kill each other. You know what I mean? Like, that was. That is their everything. That is their birth. That's their loophole. And they're going to watch them destroy each other.

Top Lobster (76:32)

They're also like, if you're raising a child, if I'm raising a son, I am showing him the way or the. What I perceive as the way. So it's like, yeah, they want to be involved because they're showing these kids what they want them to do. And that's what happened.

Ed Mabry (76:46)

So what they're doing is. Is using God's holiness against him. Because, look, God, you set this law down. You are subject to your own law. You cannot disobey yourself. So we. So we're gonna. First of all, we're gonna get legally married. So. So everything, all of our offspring are going to be legal. And you have to honor that. And they're going to be spiritual, physical hybrids, and they're going to start killing off your creation. We're going to, you know, cannibalize them. As you talked, as you said before, Raven, we're going to kill them all off, and then they can have legal dominion over the Earth. And, of course, as part of the marriage covenant, you. The part of it is that the. You have to go to the father of the bride and say, hey, I want to marry this person. And you have to give them gifts. And, of course, the gift we see in the Book of Enoch, new gifts. Again, they taught them enchantments. They taught them astrology. They taught them magic and warfare. Alzazel taught them, you know, swords and. Which means that before this didn't even know how to make war.

David Lee Corbo (77:46)

Right? Yeah. Taught him how to make armor. Taught him how to make weapons. Yeah.

Ed Mabry (77:50)

Yep.

Top Lobster (77:50)

Well, so. So go ahead. Go ahead, Ed.

Ed Mabry (77:53)

No, said they taught. They also taught. I was like, saying this because it always makes women mad. It also cosmetology. It taught them how to make makeup and to beautify. So, you know, they show them how to put the red on their face, make them look flush, because, again, makeup is really to make a woman look like she wants to have sex or. Or has just had sex. That's what, you know, your lips are really red, your cheeks are flush. Your, you know, your eyes are deeper. So that's the whole point of makeup, is to make you look sexual. Like you either are aroused or you just finished having sex.

David Lee Corbo (78:25)

Which is really funny because nowadays it's like, this is not for men. What are you talking about? We're just doing this. We're doing this for ourselves. This has nothing to do with you. It's like, all right, yeah, yeah.

Top Lobster (78:34)

It's like. It's a whole thing.

Ed Mabry (78:36)

But there was a female comedian who said if there were no men in the world, every woman would be, like, you know, fat and wearing flannel.

David Lee Corbo (78:42)

Right. They'd just be worried about being warm and not getting burnt up by the sun or what the hell ever. Yeah.

Top Lobster (78:48)

Yeah.

Ed Mabry (78:49)

I think.

Top Lobster (78:51)

I think what. We're. All right. So number one, I didn't watch that interview with Indiana Moans because I don't care for Daily Wire. The Daily Wire. I think that it's a lot of subversion, but I will watch it because Michael Knowles works for the Daily Wire.

Ed Mabry (79:08)

Yeah. And you're right.

Top Lobster (79:09)

I don't trust Jordan Peterson or Ben Shapiro or there's a couple of other unweird underlings that work for him. I Don't trust any of these guys. Matt Walsh, I think he could contribute some stuff, so I'll give it the time of day.

Ed Mabry (79:21)

I'll.

Top Lobster (79:21)

I'll try it. I did try to watch Albarino on Tim Cast because he. He did the circuit, he went around and he's just. He's just been on, which is Sean Ryan, another fed.

Ed Mabry (79:33)

Isn't he like the NSA guy?

David Lee Corbo (79:35)

Yeah, he's literally.

Ed Mabry (79:36)

Yeah.

Top Lobster (79:37)

I mean, these are shows that I'll watch, but these are things like, I'm like, what? You know, you're not going to get anything. Number one, you're not going to get anything interesting. Like Tim Cass, we couldn't get past Go with Timothy Albarino, who I. I like his work, but I disagree with a lot of it. Or. Yeah, some major parts.

Ed Mabry (79:53)

Yeah, I just agree with some parts of it too. But I mean. But I like the research and this is why it kind of bugged me, because I'm like, dude, you know better than this. You should be coming.

David Lee Corbo (79:59)

At heart, his research contradicts, or he contradicts his own research. We argued with him.

Top Lobster (80:07)

We argued with him for like an hour of our two and a half hour show. Yeah. And then went on to go do the. But I mean, I think he conceded just to be like, shut the fuck up. So that, you know, we can get over the show. But we're like. Because his. His whole thing is he's saying, you know, he's great on the Genesis 6 narrative. He's great on these giants and the megalithic structures and all this stuff. And then we start talking about aliens. And his contention is that aliens are outer space. They may not even be bad, like a couple.

David Lee Corbo (80:39)

Certainly not demonic. There's nothing about that. Demonic. Yeah.

Top Lobster (80:42)

Yeah. He's like, if you think they're demonic, you're just stupid. And I was like, I think they're demonic. I think your entire first body, like the first part of your body of work, where you're Talking about Genesis 6, where you're with these blurry creatures guys who. Their entire show is about, like, similar to our show is based on this narrative. Then you turn around and say, you know, like, that's a breeding program. They were breeding. But he also. That's why he can't admit that they were choosing wives and they were raising children. Because this is a breeding program. They might have not even been banging them with genitalia. Who knows how this happened. But they took them as wives. They. They recreate, procreated with them. And then you get the nephilim if you admit that, then you have to draw that same logical conclusion to whatever these UFOs are, whatever the alien abduction narrative is, whatever the reproduction program that's certainly going on with the aliens is. And then from there you'd say, looks a lot like Nephilim to me, dog. But for some reason, whenever we brought it up to him, he kind of like, well, first he called anybody who espouses that narrative stupid. And we were like, we espouse that narrative and here's why stupid. And we kind of like argued back and forth about it. He finally conceded, probably just to move on with the conversation, but I was like, I'm stuck on that. I'm like, why? Why are you stuck on that? Like, why is that the thing you co wrote a. Like the, the intro to their new Book of Enoch? It's like the overlap is one to one here.

Ed Mabry (82:10)

Yeah. And you.

Top Lobster (82:10)

But you can't bridge that gap. And it feels like it's on purpose for whatever reason, like he's trying to spin his own narrative. And he also has this other weird thing that I don't like about. It's the, you know, the flood of Noah, that it was local, but it was so devastating. Like, it was basically, it was like a local flood on the Earth, but it was huge. But it was so devastating that there was cataclysms all throughout the Earth and that most people died. I'm like, that's an interesting theory. But the Bible says the Earth was covered, you know, so, yeah, there are.

Ed Mabry (82:44)

People who, who take that. And so, yeah, I, I did know that he wasn't. I don't know he was that hard in the paint on the alien thing. I knew that he kind of pooh, poohed it, but I didn't know.

David Lee Corbo (82:51)

He was like, it just seems like.

Ed Mabry (82:53)

It doesn't make any sense to me.

David Lee Corbo (82:54)

Either, especially the hybridization program aspect. Like, what are we talking about here? You don't see that correlation? And when we highlighted that and then we said, like, we're not saying that these things are inherently demons, but it seems to be that they are like, machinations of it. You know, like, you know, demons are trapped in this other realm. Not saying that they're coming here and manifesting as little gray things, but there seems to be an. A very intricate way that these things are all connected because the rhymes are too profound. And when we laid it all out for him, he was like, I. I guess I never thought of that. And I'm like, you never thought of that?

Top Lobster (83:26)

What are you talking about book. You never thought of it. It's like, it's insane. It's in your book. Like, you go for an entire chapter. And on people that think that it's like you've thought of it. You've thought of it enough to call us stupid. I don't understand the guy. I don't understand where he's coming from. I like his work. I, I mean, he's dressed like Indiana Jones. There's a lot going on.

Ed Mabry (83:45)

That is true. He does dress like.

David Lee Corbo (83:47)

I like that he dresses like Indiana. We need more that dress.

Top Lobster (83:52)

We don't. No, no, no. Here's the thing. Now when you're coming, I'm gonna start.

David Lee Corbo (83:56)

Dressing like Indiana Jones.

Top Lobster (83:58)

What? Are you ready? Dressed like a openly gay man. So I guess go for it, right? When you're coming at me with all this truth and then like, you miss big on this thing, which is obvious, I'm just like, what are you doing? And then you dress like Indiana Jones. I'm like, I don't know, dude, I like you, but I don't know. I don't know.

Ed Mabry (84:17)

A lot of the work he did with Steve Quail, and you know, Steve Quail is, he's, he, he's hilarious. I mean, and him. The work he did with Tom Horner, again, I found that the, I don't know if there was a divergence between the two, but yeah, he's. Some of the stuff he says about the fallen angels, I, I, I'm not really down with Indiana Jones was the.

Top Lobster (84:35)

Villain in those movies.

Ed Mabry (84:36)

That's true.

Top Lobster (84:37)

He was a pedophile. It was kind of crazy. I'm not saying anything about it.

Ed Mabry (84:42)

You knew what you were doing when you were, when you were 13. And I was right. Yeah, right. That's something to skip over. Yes. The old George. Well, that's, I, I think that has a lot to do with Kathleen Kennedy. That's a whole other thing because I think she was young when Spielberg and, and, and Lucas were bringing her up. I just, I'll leave it at that.

Top Lobster (85:01)

Yes.

Ed Mabry (85:01)

And she's been angry ever since. That's why she's trying to destroy everything they did with, with Indiana Jones and the Star wars stuff. But that's a whole other super.

Top Lobster (85:09)

That's dark stuff, man.

Ed Mabry (85:10)

But no, I agree that there's some, some of Albarino's conclusions. His research is great. His conclusions I don't agree with. And I was like, okay, I'm not going to agree with everybody, even if I like their research. Like, you know, I've been On a few podcasts with Gary Wayne. Love his research. We don't have some of the same conclusions about a few things, but I'm cool with that because, like, look, dude, you have the. The good facts. If you take those facts and come to a different conclusion, so be it. As long as you're. As long as your facts are cool. I think people can just read your facts. And same thing with Albarino. And even though I. But I didn't know he was going, like, as divergent as it sounds like. Yeah.

David Lee Corbo (85:43)

Very emotional about a lot of things, but if you listen to him, he gets emotional. He gets angry at people who think two things. Number one, flat Earth, and number two, aliens and demons. Yeah, the flatter thing, but aliens and demons are another one where he gets angry and it's like, how could you get angry when the similarities are so profound? How could you?

Ed Mabry (86:03)

And when someone speaks the name of Jesus, they go away.

David Lee Corbo (86:05)

Well, he says, no, not all the time. Not all the time. So that's not true. That's not true because it doesn't happen all the time. I'm like, all right, dude, now here's.

Top Lobster (86:11)

Here's where. So before, when we had him on the show, I was like, all right, we have some points of disagreement, but I really like the work he's doing. I enjoy some of the Blurry Creatures shows, although sometimes it's kind of boring. I was like, these guys are cool. They'll never mess with us, of course, because we say too many curses, but it doesn't matter. My co host for. For our other show, this guy, Clint Russell, who is. He was an atheist before I met him on Tower Gang. I've converted him to at the very least saying he's like, there is a God. To the point, looking into it on his own. Picked up this book called Birthright and started listening to it. And he came back to us and he was like, have you guys ever heard of this, this book? It's very interesting. And I was like, yeah, yeah. I was like. But, like, let him, you know, tell me more. And he was like, it's interesting because the guy says this, and then he says at the end of the book, when he's talking about aliens, he basically says, anybody who thinks this narrative is stupid, he's like, And I personally don't get it because it seems a lot like him, this guy himself picking it up. He's not involved with this. He's involved in politics, like geopolitics, right? He's like, it just seems like the same thing. Like, I like the whole Genesis narrative that he said, but then the alien thing seems like the same exact thing and he just poo pooed it away. He's like, why is that? And I was like, exactly. This is bad. This is not good. When you have people coming into it.

Ed Mabry (87:28)

Into the deep underground military bases. I mean, dude, that ties right into all the alien stuff. So it's like, why are you skirting around the edges of all this? You believe in everything around it, but you don't believe in the actual alien part.

David Lee Corbo (87:39)

Yeah, I honestly, I think what we, we should do. This is just a little bit of an aside, but like he's getting a lot of traction.

Top Lobster (87:46)

Hunt him down and his life.

David Lee Corbo (87:47)

No, we should, we should, you know, in, in we should list the, the many ways because even that underground thing where, you know, I've heard people who are delivery men for deep underground military bases, they're just dropping off supplies, like, literally like vendors for like food. And yeah, I've been told not to proclaim the name of Jesus Christ. That was one of the things that this dude had to sign off on. And, and I've even heard stories of, of from that same guy where he's like. And I swear to God, I know this sounds insane, but down one of the corridors I got a glimpse of something that walked by that I can only describe as like an immense humanoid, a man, but was so large it didn't make any sense. And he only saw it for like a second. And it's like the, the, the connections are never ending. And whether or not they're anecdotal is one thing, but I think we could whip up a whole episode that could go like two hours long of all the different ways that this connects from one to the next.

Top Lobster (88:40)

But there's like, there's also a lot of testimony that says it doesn't work, the name of Jesus Christ and that, that leaves the door open to like, well, you know, if you're being visited by like more physical entities, not demonic entities, but maybe even, maybe people that are astral projecting, using technology to abduct you or whatever in some kind of way. If you tell somebody that's robbing you in the name of Jesus, stop, you're probably still going to get robbed and stabbed, you know, it's not necessarily going to work. So yeah, I think that these techniques work on spiritual entities. The question is, are they always spiritual in nature when you're, you know, when you're being abducted, when you're being harassed by some type of a thing that you think is a demon? That's a, that's a great question. Who knows?

Ed Mabry (89:24)

And the other question is, do you actually believe in Jesus when you say it, or are you just saying the word? I wonder if there's different, there are different levels of power because Jesus said there were different levels of demons he casted out because they remember he cast, he cast out some demons and then I, I believe it. People's in the Book of Mark where they say, you know, there were, you know, we cast off some demons, but then some of them wouldn't come out. And Jesus said, this one, this type only comes out through prayer and fasting, meaning you have to be like, on lockdown and really be in a highly spiritual state, which, you know, fasting gets you to because, you know, you're, you're relying on God. You know, you're not no longer relying on food. So maybe some of them, maybe some of the weaker ones, you can just say Jesus. Maybe some of the stronger ones, you have to be a believer and say Jesus. And then some of the more you're gonna have to like, say Jesus and read some Bible verses and know their name.

David Lee Corbo (90:08)

I also wonder if, if there's something to the idea like you're talking about, you know, the Bible talks about generational iniquity. And it's like these things can have rights over your bloodline to a certain degree based off of whatever your predecessors did, and maybe trying to get rid of them in that moment isn't the right point of attack. Maybe you need to be asking Jesus to free your, you know, essentially your, your lineage from these bonds because otherwise they have legal rights to be there. And that could be like a little bit tricky. I, I, I think the, sometimes I wonder how deep the legalese goes in all of this. You know what I mean? It's like, are you aiming at the wrong thing? You want this thing to leave you alone in this moment, but this thing has had rights over your family for X amount of generations. And you got.

Ed Mabry (90:52)

Because I've gotten quite a few questions about generational curses and yeah, how those are, are fair. Why, why would I be suffering for something that my great great great grandmother or grandfather did? And there are reasons, there's reason behind. I don't want to, I don't want to just talk about it now because I know we're getting low on time and I don't want to be flippant, but just understand that they don't have legal rights over you that can have influence over you. That's been passed on to you not directly from them, but even through the things that you've been told and things that you have in your unconscious mind that are strongholds that these entities can use. Not because they, when you were a baby, they zapped you with this curse, but because you were raised by someone who was telling, let's say, for example, you, this is a benign example. You grow up with someone who says, you know what? Money's hard to come by. You can't, you know, money is just for the rich and money is just for certain people. And you grow up with that in your head and you wonder, well, how come I never get any money? Well, because unconsciously you've convinced yourself that you can never get it. And money is difficult. And so you see all these other people just rolling in it, like, why can't I get it? Well, because your unconscious mind is going to listen to you and say, okay, oh, we believe money's hard and tough to come by. Well, I guess you're not going to ever get it. I'll make sure of that. And so that's where these. Because blessings and cursings are words. When God says you're blessed, he says, I'm speaking well of you. Cursing someone means to speak poorly of them. That's interesting because the whole other thing, I don't want to, I don't want to get too deep into it because I don't want to, to be people.

David Lee Corbo (92:18)

Well, I was talking to my wife about that today and I was saying like, you know, that the name of the game when it comes to these things. It's like when you're, when you're a kid and you see like the concept of demons, you see like this big grandiose thing if they're in cartoons or video games. It's like, you know, you always see the most hyper sensationalized version of how a demon manifests and what it looks like and what it does. But in reality, it's like it doesn't want to be known that it exists and it really wants you to believe that its voice is you. Right? And so if you then like, let's say it's tell you you're not worth anything, nobody loves you, this kind of thing, if you believe that that voice is you, well, that's when all of that starts to actually happen to you and then it spirals and the next thing you know, it's like, I don't believe that anybody is in history has ever killed themselves while not listening to that voice that actually is not Theirs. But once you believe that it is your voice, once you internalize that thing and you think it's you, that's when it has power. And so what you just said there about like, internalizing that idea of like, oh, wait, money's just hard to come by. You know, it's only for the rich, it's only for the famous. Once you believe that in your own mind, then that's when your reality becomes that.

Top Lobster (93:26)

That's what I was telling Code. Like, our friend just got fired from his job of 10 years for singing the Kanye west song Hal Hitler. He covered it on ukulele. Hilarious. And yeah, basically, so whatever. We have all kinds of fundraisers going for him, and he's doing well, but he's like, oh, I'm just thinking about. He's like, what will I do for money? I had this job that was like, you were in a job that you did and you hated for 10 years and you were getting money a certain way. But I'm like, it's a trap in your mind to think. And you've been told this by people that this is how I get money. Like, money is just a thing. There's. There's many ways to get it. Be creative, think outside. I know that's. It's like very vague, but it's different for everybody. It's like if you treat this as just a thing, another thing, you can get as much or as little as you want. If you treat it as something that is unreachable, well, guess what? It's unreachable.

Ed Mabry (94:21)

Exactly.

David Lee Corbo (94:21)

Unreachable. But I think that's how they operate. They have to get you to internalize that narrative and believe that narrative. And it does not work to their advantage for you to ever realize that that is not you, that's them. Because that. It's like one of the greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing you he didn't exist. Like, that's how they operate.

Ed Mabry (94:40)

Right? But then the other way, he also does the other way around. If you don't. He can also convince you that everything is him, that he's all powerful and that he's causing everything, when maybe you're causing it. Maybe it's, I can't stop drinking. Maybe because you're a lush, maybe it's not Satan making you drink. But now you're thinking, that was not my fault. I'm just, you know, the Devil. The devil made me drunk. No, you made yourself drunk. He's too powerful in that you can't do anything about it. That's another, you know, demoralization aspect of it, you know?

David Lee Corbo (95:07)

Yeah, I think it's just different strokes for different folks, you know what I mean? Because some people are never going to believe that a demonic, spiritual realm exists. And so those people are really prime for believing that that internal monologue is strictly them.

Ed Mabry (95:21)

And. Yeah, then you go the other way, which, oh, is a perfect segue to talk about my. My book that I'm actually.

David Lee Corbo (95:28)

Yes. How's that coming along?

Ed Mabry (95:30)

I'm. I'm wrapping up today. I'm gonna. I'm getting the publishing going, and that's electronic first.

David Lee Corbo (95:35)

You're wrapping up today, huh? You're wrapping up today?

Ed Mabry (95:39)

No, no, yeah, I'm wrapping. I'm doing final edits today, and I'm trying to start getting it uploaded.

David Lee Corbo (95:44)

That's awesome.

Ed Mabry (95:44)

Y' all got my cover back? Cover. All that was done, and so I want it out by next week. It'll be. So it's gonna be my little season book that it's. It's. It took a lot longer than I anticipated, which is why I haven't been as available to you guys.

David Lee Corbo (96:02)

That's such a great shirt.

Ed Mabry (96:03)

So that's why I have made it as available, because it. It. It's. It's intense doing this level of research and just making sure it's. Everything's right. And, you know, I'm. I'm actually doing a debate in a couple days, friendly debate with some kind of a panel. Then I'm going to be on Triple Sam's show in a couple weeks. And so I want to make sure everything was. That it was, like, ready to be published for that, because he had. What's the guy, Paul?

Top Lobster (96:27)

Full stops.

Ed Mabry (96:28)

Yeah, he was on. And so I. So I'm going to be the counterpoint to that.

Top Lobster (96:32)

So, yeah, we were just on. We were just on as well. And we kind of also crapped on the. On the little season.

David Lee Corbo (96:43)

I hope you listen to the one when it comes out that we were on, because it's a big body of research that we've been, you know, kind of sleuthing through, and we present all over the place.

Top Lobster (96:52)

It was crazy.

David Lee Corbo (96:52)

He did a good job, though, honestly, and I'd love to get your thoughts on it, but of course, it's just too much for me to unpack because we just barely got it done. You know, Sam, he's. He's got a. He's as bad as we are with the interruptions and the, you know, derailment.

Top Lobster (97:05)

He seems to lean towards the little season Narrative, I guess, because it's the latest thing he's heard. But I. I told him, I was like, listen, there's one thing that does kind of like, put a nail in it for me. And I told him about, like, all the mountains being flattened. Like, geographically we would be. There would be no coming back from that. But, you know, geographically, this, it is pretty much the same as it's always been, except for a couple of minor movements here and there. So I was like, I don't know that right there. If you believe the Bible, we'll. We'll see. But that's one point that I just kind of, like, teased with. And he's like, oh, we got him coming on. He's coming on. You're going to talk about this.

Ed Mabry (97:37)

So, yeah, yeah, I try to address everything. I've listened to a lot of the folks and I said, I have a map in my book that I got from the Library of Congress. A map done by Moon. Excuse me. No, no, it's a map of the. Of the map of the Earth back in, like, the third century B.C. that shows all mountains right where they still are today. And the desert.

David Lee Corbo (97:58)

Problematic.

Ed Mabry (97:59)

Like. Well, here it is.

David Lee Corbo (98:01)

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's pretty problematic.

Ed Mabry (98:03)

Yeah, I. I went deep with the research because everyone always says, you do more research. Here it is. I've got, you know, here. Here everything is laid out and, you know, and it's. It's not just to pick on the people who are. Who. Who believe it. I. I understand why it's becoming more and more popular because, you know, there's looks like a. This just people are trying to understand the world.

David Lee Corbo (98:25)

Yeah, yeah.

Ed Mabry (98:26)

And on the surface, I can see how this makes sense, but once you go deeper, it completely falls apart. And so I just. Yeah, I'm coming out of that standpoint of, look, I know why you believe. I. It. I understand the appeal of it, but you got to go past the surface.

David Lee Corbo (98:38)

It's the same thing where I said, like, how the black community is, you know, we've all been lied to so much, and I really can't even. It seems like they've been the recipient of a lot more egregious, you know, hidden history. And. And I don't blame them for, you know, you're just grasping at whatever looks like it's not a lie. That's what happens when you've been lied to as much as. As we have. So, yeah, I don't. I don't blame those people.

Ed Mabry (99:01)

Exactly. So that's what I, you know, do in the book now and so it'll be out next week. You'll be on my Patreon for my upper level Patreons get it for you know as free as part of the membership if a discount for these next tier and then everyone else you can feel free to buy it and so yeah, that's awesome.

David Lee Corbo (99:17)

That's awesome. So you said next week you think that is awesome.

Ed Mabry (99:21)

It'll at least be on my website my Patreon next week. We'll see if it's some on Amazon. You know it takes a little more time together and yeah, then I'll be on all the other Apple Gumroad and the rest of them but it'll definitely be on faith by reason.net and on my Patreon.

David Lee Corbo (99:37)

Very cool. I can't wait for that episode of Tinfoil Hat and I can't wait for that book to get released. That's cool man. I'm excited for you. I, I, I think it's going to be very well received. The community that we're, we're developing here has grown so much in, in the past year and so I'm excited for everybody to, to receive this, this work, everything that you're doing lately. I just want to say we get like such tremendous feedback from you know, we have an overlap in fan base and everybody unanimously tells us like your Patreon is a great tool. We're offer our Patreon, we're offering, you know, ad free experiences, everything. But you're, you're offering tools and I feel like I say this to you so often but it's, it is refreshing. You know, you're, you're a friend of ours, you're a friend of the show, but you're also this really excellent source for information and this really excellent source to balance these questions is another thing I love about you too is like these people are asking you questions. We're making shows out of answering it. This is hugely beneficial for people that are trying to make sense of it. And like we just said, everybody's been lied to. We need a lot more people like you. We're the, we're the question askers top and I, we have a lot more questions than we have answers. But it's refreshing to have somebody like you, you know, who, who actually has these answers and then also has the tools where you can, you can find these on your own. So I appreciate you doing a lot.

Ed Mabry (100:56)

Of good things because you know, I have my lane, my lane is like you know, Bible prophecy and this kind of stuff and you know, Genesis. But I'm. I. You guys, every time I come on the show, I learn new things about. I didn't know about those. Those two people being messianic Jews. I didn't. So there's a lot going that's going in on geopolitics that I'm not fully aware of, because I just don't take that deeper. Dive in. And I. When I go to. To the. To your Twitter and I look. Because top just annihilates people.

David Lee Corbo (101:21)

I love it. I love it. I love it.

Ed Mabry (101:23)

Always makes me laugh. But, you know, again, it. But it also lets me know, hey, here's what's happening. Here's what's. Here's the zeitgeist that's going on.

David Lee Corbo (101:31)

Yeah, Yeah.

Ed Mabry (101:32)

I can at least see what's happening.

Top Lobster (101:33)

That's what it is. It's just like a. It's a. I don't know, a finger on the pulse of the cultural zeitgeist. That's like a. Not safe for work and. But people seem.

David Lee Corbo (101:43)

I don't know if the cultural zeitgeist is. I think it's just like the schizo verse is what it's devolved into. You know what I mean? It used to be like culture. Now it's just. It's. It's insanity. But, yeah, we. We're steeped.

Ed Mabry (101:55)

We have real quick. I know you got to go, because I actually. I have to go, but. So what do you guys think of Ian Carroll?

David Lee Corbo (102:03)

He definitely.

Ed Mabry (102:05)

He's a pretty mad.

David Lee Corbo (102:06)

He steals our research. I know that for sure. No, Ian Carroll, I. I don't know if he's really involved in anything. He came out recently, had a little Kabbalah bracelet that really inflamed people. I just know that if I was gifted one, I would probably wear it just to make people spiral.

Top Lobster (102:23)

Oh. And we're doing. We're doing everything we can at this point. We've been accused, alongside of Sam Tripley, by somebody. What was he. I mean, David has a female skull. We just made a T shirt.

David Lee Corbo (102:33)

I'm a gender inverted, you know, transsexual. Also, our event is funded by General Flynn. We've been accused of being part of this, like, Florida Illuminati, like, all kinds of insane things. And rather than try to. And I was explaining this to my wife the other day, rather than try to dispel those rumors, you'll go insane if you do. For your own sanity, it's best to turn it into comedy and to embrace it. And so, you know, I Recognize that that happens to us. And then I look at Ian and I see it happening to him, and I'm like, I wonder. I wonder if it. I wonder if he is a fed or if he is not that different from us. And he's just the recipient of schizo accusations. And I don't even blame those people. I get it. I know what it's like.

Top Lobster (103:14)

Follows. He follows me. But I haven't had the opportunity to talk to. Like, if he came on this show, I. I wouldn't grill him, but I'd be like. I'd ask him questions like, I want to know, you know, what are you.

David Lee Corbo (103:25)

Doing with that bracelet, dude?

Top Lobster (103:26)

What are you doing? What's up with the mustache? Just a mustache. Shaved everything else.

Ed Mabry (103:32)

It is quite a mustache. I can't. I've never been able to grow a mustache anywhere near that. His mustache is magnificent.

David Lee Corbo (103:39)

It's magnificent. I can't even. It's a 10 out of 10 mustache. But I. I like his research. I like the way he presents it. He's a little bit, like, more digestible for the normies. I think that's hugely important. And honestly, I don't know. I don't focus on these people closely enough to know in which way they deviate, and that is, like, misleading the flock. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know.

Top Lobster (104:00)

This is the thing that we were talking about with Joel Osteen and Kenneth Copeland. It's like, these guys, sometimes they are preaching a good message, but if you're following the man and then you see him doing all this horrible stuff, getting pegged by his wife, it makes you not want to be a Christian. I don't follow the man. Ian Carroll, but he had great information about all the food, all the dyes that were poisonous in your shampoo. He has good information about, like, even the telepathy tapes, which he stole some of our work. He's presenting good information. He's doing it in a great fashion. He's just. I don't know him.

Ed Mabry (104:33)

But, yeah, he was talking about the Diddy stuff, and I was just. Because I've been following it, because I just don't care that much, but he had some interesting synopsis of it, so that's why. And he was on the. Candace Owens. He. He hosted her show, so that's why. And they just came through my algorithm because I was looking into what the P. Diddy testimony was, and he came up, and it's all interesting. I heard him on. On Sam's show as well. Tripoli show. He's curious. I didn't, you know, he's good.

Top Lobster (104:56)

But it's like, again, with, with anybody, especially people with huge platforms like, pay attention to what they say, do your own research and be aware of the one lie that they're trying to feed you, you know, or the one. It's not necessarily even a lie, but, like, even with this show, my. My agenda here is obviously to push towards God in a certain way. I'm going to push towards God and Jesus Christ. Whether I say those names or not. That's going to always be under underlying there. Everybody's doing that with their own work. Where are they? What are they pushing towards? I don't know. I don't know.

David Lee Corbo (105:32)

The truth is synonymous with Jesus Christ. We're constantly pushing towards that. But I don't know the definitive truth. And it's up to you, the audience, to decide. Am I wrong when I'm wrong or am I misleading you when I'm wrong? And I'll let you decide that. But I think that that is really the, the thing that gets misconstrued the most often. I'm. I'm wrong a lot, dude. I. I make mistakes. It's. It's all difficult to understand. It's all hidden from us. And on the way to the truth, you're going to misstep a hundred times. It's just up to the individual to decide whether or not that misstep was a misstep or if it was a purposeful deviation from the truth. And I don't think that happens as much as people suspect it does, mainly because I've been accused of it to such a degree that I'm like, oh, okay, I. I see how this works. I get it. Like, you think that I was lying to you, but really, I'm just. And I don't know. People need to leave more room in the conversation for.

Ed Mabry (106:29)

No one's responsible for what you believe except you at the end of the day.

David Lee Corbo (106:32)

Yeah.

Ed Mabry (106:33)

Yeah. So you have to decide. You have to do your own research, like you said, top. And see how it matches up with your worldview and, and what you believe, you know, whatever your absolutes are. My absolute, again, is. Is the God of the Bible.

David Lee Corbo (106:44)

Yeah.

Top Lobster (106:45)

And. Right.

Ed Mabry (106:45)

If something is. Is biblically neutral.

Top Lobster (106:48)

Okay.

Ed Mabry (106:48)

Then it's entertainment. If. But if somebody says something that contradicts it, I'm. Okay. I know the question that.

David Lee Corbo (106:53)

Well, that's a. I've. I've heard people say that about you, Ed. That you're doing this and that. And then, like, I've seen them bring up the instances I can't remember, but I know specifically that the things they were talking about, I'm like, do you not remember that that was preceded by the phrase, this is me speculating? That's what you say outright. You go, this is me speculating here. And it's like, oh, no, don't let him speculate. He must be funded by General Flynn.

Ed Mabry (107:17)

Right? No, I'm just trying to figure it out. And I.

David Lee Corbo (107:20)

That's it, man.

Ed Mabry (107:21)

Throwing out theories.

David Lee Corbo (107:22)

That's it. That's it. So anyway, but to their credit, Schizo speculating is of a lot, lot of fun. It's a lot of fun, dude. It's a lot of fun to be like, are they getting the Jew money? Like, you know what I mean?

Top Lobster (107:33)

Carol Gay. Yeah.

David Lee Corbo (107:35)

It's like, Ian, Carol Gay, not a joke, is my moon, man. These are all excellent things.

Top Lobster (107:40)

On our other show with the. So our friend has a very big platform, and he's like, friends with Ian Carroll. This is a ticker that we run constantly, and he has no control over it, and it has nothing to do with whatever we're talking about. We'll let it run for 20 minutes and then be like, what is that?

David Lee Corbo (107:53)

It's like, he's friends with him, so you'll just see him look down and get sad as it goes by.

Top Lobster (107:58)

I can't believe these guys.

David Lee Corbo (108:00)

Unbelievable. So, yeah, I. I hope Ian Carroll, like, everybody, I hope that he's doing the right thing and. And if he hasn't yet, I hope that he comes to a place where he realizes that Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life. And you can't really fault anybody for not getting there yet. I. I didn't get there for journey for 30 years.

Ed Mabry (108:20)

Yeah. Yeah, it's a journey. And there's so many obstacles that are intentionally put in the way by the world we live in that you have to. That you have to navigate. And I. Look at that. I. I think I told Sam personally, Sam Tripley, I'm like, look, I admire your journey you've come from when you started the show, or you're early in your career where you are now. No, I expect you to be a perfect Christian. Well, there's no such thing. Right. But, you know, I. I admire someone who's willing to take a journey and say, you know, I don't know everything. I want to learn something. And okay, I accept the fact that there is something about Jesus that's true. I don't understand everything around it. And I'm just taking in information. And for better or worse, he gets a lot of varying information.

David Lee Corbo (108:57)

Yeah.

Ed Mabry (108:57)

And, you know, you. So he has. He has a lot to wade through, more than, you know, most of us, because people are on the show all the time with these very divergent views, which. Entertaining. But you have to also have to know when, hey, this is just. This is entertainment. I can dismiss it versus, you know, I should take this seriously.

David Lee Corbo (109:13)

I think the other side of it, too, is, like, even among all those guests, for all their wild, different places that they're coming from, I believe that everybody has a piece to contribute.

Ed Mabry (109:21)

Yeah.

David Lee Corbo (109:21)

And, you know, once again, it's like you need discernment and you need to be able to parse through what's a valid contribution, what is not, and. And then not fault an individual.

Ed Mabry (109:31)

Right.

David Lee Corbo (109:31)

It's a. What is it? Father, forgive them for. They know not what they do. Like, you know, that's it, man. We don't know. We don't know what we're doing. I'm trying real hard, but I don't know what I'm doing. And I. I think that everybody needs to lead with that. Don't be afraid to tell people that you're retarded. That's all.

Ed Mabry (109:50)

There you go. There's a new T shirt. Okay.

Top Lobster (109:53)

All right.

David Lee Corbo (109:53)

All right. Well, it was really nice to catch up with you, Ed. It was too long. We can't let this happen again. I won't allow it.

Ed Mabry (110:00)

It would not be another month before. It may not be next week because I. Because I. I've got a ton of crap to do next week, but it definitely. If not next week and the week after, in fact, I'll.

David Lee Corbo (110:09)

I'll schedule it and we'll definitely figure it out sooner than later. But, yeah, there. Well, where can everybody find your work at?

Ed Mabry (110:18)

Sure. So faithbyreason.net is a legacy site. That's where all my old material is throughout, just through the summer. Because some of the stuff's going to be going behind a paywall. Not because I want to restrict things, but because I'm going to be doing additional books using this material, and I need to update the material. So it's not that there's stuff on the site that's necessarily wrong, but it needs to be more fleshed out, and I'd rather put some of the stuff behind a paywall so people who I know are serious can get to it while I, you know, come up with a book that does a deeper dive and gives a full understanding. Because I've been told that some of the things up there are a little too high concept and it needs to be broken down. So that's why I'm doing more books. But I'm guiding everyone to the Patreon that, because that's where I'm most active, obviously where I'm answering questions and doing the Bible study and the Q and A's. And again, that's where in addition to my regular site, the books that I'm working on are going to be there. And as a Patreon, you'll get a discount or get it outright free if you're at the top level. And yeah, you get bonus episodes and, and everything comes up, everything drops on Patreon first. And of course, and we have the free feeds on YouTube, on X, on Instagram, Facebook, so I'm putting all that stuff out there. But again, patrons get it first. So, yeah, that's, that's where I am. And I look forward to the book coming out. And again, I should be on Sam's show. Hopefully I, I, if I don't get pushed, which I'm not going to even speak that into his existence in a couple weeks. And I'll, you know, do my, my spear my, my counterpoint to, to Paul Stobbs with the Little Season and she'll talk about my book there. And yeah, and yeah, I've got a bunch of other things lined up. More folks want because the Little Season thing is still popular. It's not, I think it's growing. It's not going away. And so quite a few folks want me to come on and talk about it and talk about the book.

Top Lobster (112:08)

So just awesome. I'm excited, I'm excited to check it out and maybe. Yeah, man, we'll, we'll see if we can get you on Clint. Maybe Clint would be interested because Clint was interested in the Little Season and he was like buying into that narrative and it's, it's, it's compelling, especially if you don't know anything. But. Yeah, well, I'll see if he's interested in a pushback for it. But.

David Lee Corbo (112:29)

And Ed is fantastic at, at talking to the, you know, the, the child.

Top Lobster (112:34)

The child, the retarded.

David Lee Corbo (112:36)

He's great at talking to the retarded. So hopefully at all times. Candy corn. Oh, my God.

Ed Mabry (112:45)

A buddy of mine, he goes, okay, just show you how retarded some of my friends are. I was in my twenties. My, A buddy of mine was trying to come up with like, some way to make money. He wanted to do the boxing league where he would just have people box each other, and he's. I was like, how you gonna afford. He said, I'll pay him a candy corn. It'll be fine.

Top Lobster (113:02)

Actually suck, but it's hilarious. Not a bad idea, Ed.

Ed Mabry (113:06)

And we might have the binder fee if you guys come up 30.

David Lee Corbo (113:11)

We'll call it 30. There we go.

Top Lobster (113:14)

30 of the candy corn that we get.

Ed Mabry (113:17)

RBF, the box federation.

David Lee Corbo (113:20)

RBF is a banger. Oh, no, there's something there. There's something there. Oh, we could have a toad be the guy who, like, you know, speaks. He's our Bruce Buffer.

Top Lobster (113:28)

He's our date.

Ed Mabry (113:30)

Well, now that guy who I'm. Now I'm gonna get an email from that guy who keeps getting mad every time I say the word retard. And when I'm on the show, he says, you. You know better, Ed. You should.

David Lee Corbo (113:37)

I'm like, dude, just send him our way. Just send him our way and say, I know of a show that never says that.

Ed Mabry (113:42)

No, no, no. He wants me to castigate you guys. Tell. Tell the Nephilim Death Squad guys to stop using the word retard. It's very offensive. I'm like, that's the only word?

Top Lobster (113:52)

Just that one?

David Lee Corbo (113:54)

Yeah, kind of.

Top Lobster (113:55)

I mean, I brought. I guess I'll stop if he asked nicely. Tell him, enough candy corn. I'll stop.

David Lee Corbo (114:00)

Yeah, yeah.

Top Lobster (114:01)

Two pockets full of candy corn. I'll stop.

Ed Mabry (114:05)

I'm gonna get so much flack from that guy. I can already feel it. And he's already. He's already furiously typing as we speak.

Top Lobster (114:09)

Oh, I love that guy. All right, well, listen, let's. Let's get out of here. I'll. We're gonna talk to you right after the show. I know you gotta run, but until next, don't forget to obey, submit, and comply. Peace out.

Ed Mabry (114:22)

The greatest hypnotist on planet Earth is a oblong box in the corner of the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. You can persuade us that what they see with their eyes is what there.

Top Lobster (114:36)

Is to see.

Ed Mabry (114:39)

Because they'll act in the face of an expedition that's for trouble, the bigger picture. And they have.