110: Ancient Sumerian Deities w/ Greypilled

Summary

Podcast Summary: Nephilim Death Squad - Episode 110: Ancient Sumerian Deities w/ Greypilled

Introduction

In Episode 110 of "Nephilim Death Squad," hosts TopLobsta Productions—Top Lobster and David Lee Corbo (also known as the Raven)—invite Jules Santana, the mind behind the "Gray Pilled" podcast, to delve deep into the intricate world of ancient Sumerian deities and their enduring influence on contemporary religion and culture. The episode, released on January 14, 2025, offers a comprehensive exploration of mythological narratives, conspiracy theories, and the interconnectedness of ancient texts with modern societal structures.

Guest Introduction and Background

Timestamp: 02:44 - 04:31

Jules Santana introduces himself, detailing his "Gray Pilled" podcast's focus on exploring conspiracies through various lenses. He shares his journey from battling addiction in 2018 to developing a spiritual connection with Christ, which pivoted his research towards uncovering the darker aspects of global power structures and ancient deities. Jules emphasizes his extensive research into fallen angel lineages, pantheons, and their correlations across different mythologies.

Exploring Ancient Sumerian Deities

Timestamp: 05:20 - 26:07

David Lee Corbo articulates his exploration into Sumerian texts like the "Book of Enoch" and the "Epic of Gilgamesh," highlighting the interconnectedness of deities such as Enki, Enlil, and Samael. He posits that these figures represent archetypes that have persisted and evolved through various cultures and religions over millennia. Corbo discusses how these deities mirror characters found in Christianity and Greek mythology, suggesting a unified thread running through ancient and modern belief systems.

Notable Quote:

"Entities, deities, beings, however you want to look at it, there's many ways to interpret it." – David Lee Corbo [05:08]

Duality and Fallen Angels

Timestamp: 26:07 - 43:17

The conversation shifts to the dualistic nature of these deities, particularly focusing on Samael and Lilith. Corbo explains that Lilith, often associated with negative archetypes like sirens and harpies, is portrayed as a granddaughter of both Inki and Enlil, highlighting the incestuous relationships among these beings. This duality extends to the portrayal of Lucifer as both a masculine and feminine entity, symbolizing the complex nature of good and evil within these mythologies.

Notable Quote:

"You have to watch out with this stuff because, yeah, there are a lot of people that probably research it, and they're like, oh, well, this makes sense. Right? They don't dive any any further, deeper." – David Lee Corbo [23:32]

Modern Implications and Symbolism

Timestamp: 43:17 - 66:59

Jules Santana draws parallels between ancient myths and contemporary symbols, such as the depiction of the green man in media and its roots in ancient deities like Osiris. The hosts discuss how modern entertainment often incorporates these ancient symbols subtly, influencing societal perceptions without explicit acknowledgment.

Corbo introduces the concept of Nibiru, a celestial body posited to disrupt Earth's geomagnetic balance every 3,600 years. He theorizes that Nibiru could be a portal for these ancient beings to interact with Earth, suggesting that events like Elon Musk's Mars colonization efforts might be influenced by these mythological narratives.

Notable Quote:

"The Nephilim, right? Yeah, man. There's a lot of theories and there's some stuff that I'm still doing research on." – David Lee Corbo [49:19]

Conspiracy Theories and Global Control

Timestamp: 66:59 - 95:33

The discussion delves into how ancient deities have been dehumanized and depicted as purely evil in modern interpretations, such as Satan. Corbo argues that these figures represent archetypes of rebellion and duality, influencing global power structures and societal norms. He touches upon Freemasonry and its symbolic ties to these deities, suggesting that historical and contemporary institutions perpetuate these ancient narratives to maintain control.

Jules Santana highlights the psychological impact of these narratives, emphasizing how they create false binaries—good vs. evil—that manipulate human perception and behavior. The hosts explore how modern political systems mirror these ancient power struggles, maintaining a semblance of order while perpetuating underlying chaos.

Notable Quote:

"You're stuck in the spirit, not in the flesh." – Jules Santana [93:51]

Spirituality vs. Materialism

Timestamp: 95:33 - 112:15

Corbo and Santana discuss the dichotomy between spiritual enlightenment and materialistic pursuits. They critique modern society's detachment from spiritual understanding, attributing it to the manipulation by these ancient entities. The conversation touches on how ancient rituals and myths are reinterpreted or corrupted in contemporary contexts, distancing humanity from its spiritual roots.

The hosts advocate for a return to spiritual grounding, emphasizing personal connection with the divine as a means to combat the pervasive influence of these deities. They argue that true enlightenment requires transcending the materialistic temptations imposed by these ancient archetypes.

Notable Quote:

"Absolute power corrupts absolutely. If the angels couldn't handle it, what makes you think you can handle it?" – Jules Santana [85:15]

Conclusion and Future Directions

Timestamp: 112:15 - 113:49

As the episode draws to a close, the hosts reflect on the depth and complexity of their discussions. They express a desire to continue exploring these themes in future episodes, acknowledging the vastness of the topic and the ongoing nature of their research. Jules Santana promotes his "Gray Pilled" podcast, encouraging listeners to engage further with the content to uncover more nuanced insights.

Notable Quote:

"We're just stuck at a cubicle. It's a trade-off." – Top Lobster [104:32]

Final Thoughts

Episode 110 of "Nephilim Death Squad" offers an intricate examination of ancient Sumerian deities and their profound influence on modern religious and cultural paradigms. Through engaging dialogue and extensive research, Top Lobster, David Lee Corbo, and Jules Santana unravel the complex web of mythology, spirituality, and conspiracy, inviting listeners to question and explore the deeper truths hidden within ancient texts and contemporary society.

Key Takeaways:

• Interconnected Mythologies: Ancient Sumerian deities mirror figures in other mythologies and modern religions, suggesting a unified archetypal influence across cultures.

• Duality of Deities: The portrayal of deities like Samael and Lilith embodies the inherent duality of good and evil, influencing contemporary perceptions of morality.

• Modern Symbolism: Ancient symbols persist in modern media and institutions, subtly shaping societal norms and beliefs.

• Conspiracy of Control: Historical and current power structures may be perpetuating ancient narratives to maintain control over societal perceptions and behaviors.

• Spiritual Enlightenment: A reconnection with spiritual roots is posited as essential to overcoming the materialistic and manipulative influences of these ancient archetypes.

Listeners are encouraged to engage critically with these ideas, exploring the depths of ancient texts and their relevance to contemporary issues. Future episodes promise to delve even deeper into these complex interrelations, offering further insights and revelations.

Transcript

[David Lee Corbo]

We are being hypnotized by people like this. News readers, politicians, teachers, lecturers. We are in a country and in a world that is being run by unbelievably sick people. The chasm between what we're told is going on and what is really going on is absolutely.

[Top Lobster]

Oh yeah, dude, there's some Nephilim shit.

[Jules Santana]

It's like we all know what's going down, but no one's saying what happened to the home of the brave? Take control this now when no one's talking about how they made us f they slaves. And everybody's just walking around heading the clouds.

[David Lee Corbo]

Up.

[Jules Santana]

Welcome to the end of day. Everybody is slave. Only some are aware that the government. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad. I am David Lee Corbo, AKA the Raven. That is is Top Lobster, who is too. Stop.

[Top Lobster]

I hate it. Stop it.

[Jules Santana]

No, it doesn't sound good. We're going back the other way. Before we get into today's guys, we do.

[Top Lobster]

We do the whole thing.

[Jules Santana]

No, I'm not gonna do. I'm not gonna do it. Okay, we're starting. We're doing it right now from where we are before we get into today's guest. Guys, don't forget to. Oh, this I forgot. You ruined me, dude. This is all your fault. This is only going to be a 30 minute preview, guys, and then we're going to cut the stream and Go exclusively to patreon.com backslash Nephilim Death Squad for editing purposes. Gotta cut in some ads as well as touch up some audio. If you want to continue listening along, you can do so over at patreon.com backslash Nephilim Death Squad, where we can even pull up your chats and all of that good stuff. You guys can interact with us there. Otherwise, just give it a few days and it'll release in its entirety for free. And also a quick announcement. Don't forget to go over to toplobster.com the dangerous retards holsters are officially on [e-mail] and they are moving fast. People really love them. Who to Thunk it. It's one of my favorite things that we've done so far. Look at that. That's beautiful. And they are available [e-mail] as well as all sorts of other Nephilim Death Squad goodies. But we have teamed up with Snappy Holsters to get you a quality holster with a really cool design. Speaking of cool designs, how about Too Stop Epstein didn't kill himself. Even the revamped dangerous design is out there because I guess nobody wanted to wear our faces on their chest. Respect.

[Top Lobster]

I feel like I could just pull up anything on the screen and make David vamp, like, just make him explain. Just pull up gay porn. And he's just like, well, here we have two guys having sex. Hey man, go there. Don't forget the Patreon.

[Jules Santana]

It's the perks of the perks of schizophrenia. I have multiple voices feeding me information at any given time. Today's guest, guys, a long time coming. I did his show recently, but it's been a while that we've been planning to have him on our show. We have Jules Jewels. Jewel Santana of the Gray Pilled podcast is joining us today. Jules, for the audience who might not be familiar with you, brother, let them know where they can find your work and what it is that you focus on.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, man. That's funny that you call me Jewel Santana. That's what all the blacks call me here in my city. Yeah. Shout out to Jewels. I'm Jules. I have the Gray Pill podcast. Been going now for about almost a year. February 2nd will be my one year anniversary of the show. I actually do a few shows. So I have, I, I have the main show which is just Gray Pilled. I kind of alternate weeks, one week I'll have a couple, I'll have a couple guests on for, you know, kind of like a swap cast or an interview, kind of like what, what we're doing or I'll do a deep dive of some sorts, like in some kind of esoteric kind of review of a book or then I do, on my alternate weekends I do other live streams where I kind of kick it with the chat. We watch videos, we get into some conspiratorial stuff. I have Cryptid watch me and conspiracy extremists every other Sunday. It's another show that I do where we fuck around, just watch Cryptid videos. Have a good time. I also, I have a few more shows I produce for Already Dead every Tuesday night with Jose and Austin.

[Jules Santana]

In Austin. It's a, it's a great show.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yes, yes. And I'm not too familiar with the parapolitical realm, so it's cool to kind of hear them talk about it. And I, I learn a thing or two and then I relate that to stuff that I have been researching for years. I also have a show with the paranoid American called Sound Science, which we had, we had Toad on recently.

[Top Lobster]

Sorry.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, dude. Look, his knowledge of music is very Vast. So I was very impressed. Very impressed. And is it really? Yeah, dude. Yeah. He was like, oh, I know that band. I know that. Damn. Like, holy, dude.

[Jules Santana]

That's interesting. He's kind of like a Rain man of. Of music.

[Top Lobster]

Well, technically, he doesn't. He doesn't know shit technically, but he does know a lot of music. Like, he's always going to see a different band that I've never heard of.

[David Lee Corbo]

Always.

[Top Lobster]

Kudos to Toad. Toad is the man.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. Yeah, man.

[Top Lobster]

We can't stop talking about Toad on no matter what show we. We go on.

[Jules Santana]

It's Toad's year. Is it the year of the Frog? Because I think it has to be. He's. He's going to find a lot of success this year. You know, Jules, I. I've been watching you, and I know you said that you're coming up on the year in February, which. Congratulations. That's right around the corner. That's awesome. It's a big milestone. If you look up the percentage of podcasts that make it to the year mark, it's very far and few in between. The vast majority don't. And so that's a big thing that you're heading up towards. But not only have you been doing this for a year, you've also been mighty prolific. I mean, there's not a lot of people that are creating the amount of content that you're creating, and I do believe that within this space, content is king. But if you can take it a step further and actually show people something compelling, something interesting, then you really got a good formula for success. And. And you are. You're covering a lot of things that are parallel overlapping lots of Nephilim, and you're hanging out with so many of our favorite people. I think success is. Is on its way for you. But I want to ask, before we jump into kind of the meat of the conversation, how'd you get here, dude? Like, you know, that's always, to me, interesting. The Nephilim space is like, what. What led you here?

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, I got clean back in 2018 off of. Off of. Off of drugs. Right. Okay. Opiates. I'm pretty open about it. You know, led me to having a spiritual connection with Christ because I was an atheist most of my life and had a couple experiences where I almost lost my life. And, you know, once you start to walk with that Holy Spirit, you start to kind of see good things happen. Right. It starts to manifest in. In your everyday life. So that drew me closer to realizing that holy. The realm that we live in is. And the people running it are doing very dark things on a large scale, and they have been for thousands of years. And so that led me to kind of read some, not only the Bible, but other ancient texts. And this led me to my research on basically fallen angel lineages, different pantheons, how they're all related to the same core court, I guess you could say. Entities, deities, beings. However you want to look at it, there's many ways to interpret it. And, and that's, I was going to mention my favorite show that I do with my co host, Adrian West, Elohim, Etymology, which I haven't done one in a couple months. He does video production and stuff for a whole bunch of concerts. And so he's been kind of traveling. But we have, we have a lot of good stuff coming. But, you know, years of researching stuff and going down these dark, these dark rabbit holes, you know, if, if you don't talk about it, you will kind of start to go crazy, right? Yes. And I've at the same time driving my, my wife completely insane, which, I mean, she may deserve it because she's the one that got me into it, you know? Did she really? Yeah, yeah, dude. Back. So we've known each other since we were 12 or 13. We used to go to punk rock shows and stuff. I used to play in a band and so, yeah, we started dating. Then she got pregnant with our son and we got married. And yeah, that was 11 years ago. And back in 2012, she showed me Bohemian Grove. And she was like, yeah, these are all the world leaders sacrificing children in the woods up in, up in California. I was like, oh, holy shit, this, this can't be real. Little did I know it was real. And not only is it real, it goes a lot deeper than that. And I, I, I found that out. And, and so, yeah, man, just, just years of researching this stuff led me to where she was like, hey, you should talk about this stuff.

[Jules Santana]

You, you, wow, you.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, you, you have knowledge on, on a lot of it. And I, I don't want you talking my head off about it. And so.

[Top Lobster]

That's a good idea.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, you should bought you a mic.

[Top Lobster]

He's like, tell somebody else.

[Jules Santana]

Yeah, that's exactly what that is. It was her own saving grace. Look, I mean, Top and I are in the same space, right? I'm sure both of our wives don't want to hear about it anymore, but.

[Top Lobster]

I can't stop talking about Jamaica. My wife is just like, okay, which.

[Jules Santana]

One does she prefer? She rather, you Talk about the Nephilim or Jamaica or is it really all kind of.

[Top Lobster]

It's the same thing.

[Jules Santana]

Big cross section.

[Top Lobster]

Am I gonna go back? I would go back, honestly. Like, a dangerous retards cruise to Jamaica would be a lot of fun. But I'm not going to take it over.

[Jules Santana]

The English did it at one point, right? I mean, we could probably do it.

[David Lee Corbo]

I think we could do it. Yeah. Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Just a couple of sticks, and you really need to outsmart them. It's not hard.

[Jules Santana]

That's all.

[Top Lobster]

But this is not hard. Yeah, I don't want to get started on Jamaica.

[Jules Santana]

Please don't get me started on Jamaica. Okay, so. So I do have one more question before we get started. I know we came here because you do a great job of unpacking this, like, Sumerian connection. I've heard you talk at length about Enki and Enlil and who those characters actually are and how they connect to the bigger picture, and I'd be really interested in having that conversation today. But you do a show called Cryptid Watch, which is a lot of fun in concept, right? Yes, on my show Timeline Cleanse, we mostly watch street fights. And can I.

[Top Lobster]

Can I kind of, like, bring this show in a weird place really quickly?

[David Lee Corbo]

Of course, yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Just a little bit of a Cryptid Watch before we get into this, but this is a video that I just put up on my Twitter, and I really think that it would be interesting for you to watch. Now, this is if you have children watching at home or listening. I guess you can pause it here because it does get a little bit adult. But I think it's funny and it's very topical. So check this video out.

[Jules Santana]

Oh, yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

Is this your average gaming controller?

[Jules Santana]

This is the Mission two, and it's a toy by Levin that actually has.

[David Lee Corbo]

A suction cup at the bottom.

[Top Lobster]

Stay with me, people.

[Jules Santana]

Not only can you use it for.

[David Lee Corbo]

Personal play, you can also use it for gaming. That's a very hard level. Fate.

[Jules Santana]

This game is a lot like Flappy Bird, but with a very specific connection.

[David Lee Corbo]

You can use the mission 2 259.

[Jules Santana]

It's a deal, by the way. Always. Like, why are morbidly obese women so obtuse about their sexual lives?

[Top Lobster]

Okay, so she gets the point where. Well, this game is not so fun. But there are other games, and check.

[David Lee Corbo]

This other game isn't the only game that you can play with. The Mission to Lovens also has a.

[Jules Santana]

Bunch of other games on their app.

[David Lee Corbo]

And you can also access different types of.

[Top Lobster]

Read that name. Yeah, Breeding of the Nephilim.

[David Lee Corbo]

Holy shit.

[Top Lobster]

And it's. It's one of these furries who we've already established uses this. Well, some of them use the name Furry. Some of them use. Use the name Therion.

[Jules Santana]

Yes.

[Top Lobster]

Is a derivative of an Aleister Crowley, you know, Jesus. Where does that was that come from? From his the Limit book, where I think Therion is like the Beast.

[David Lee Corbo]

The Book of the Wall.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's. It's the same thing as the beast in the Book of Revelation. Okay, so Apollyon, Right, right, yeah, yeah, yeah. One in the same.

[David Lee Corbo]

The beast of the great abyss.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, they're calling themselves that as, like a term of endearment or something. They're like, oh, I'm not a Furry today. I'm a Therion, or I'm this or that, whatever they identify with. And I just find it very interesting that this.

[Jules Santana]

It's not lost on them because if you go through, like, it just so happens that when you piss off a community of people, you will oftentimes find these type of characters. So their profile picture will have, like, either an anime thing or like a furry thing or something like that. And if you click on their page, you're like, oh, what is this person all about? Like, they're talking shit to me. Let's see what they're about. And, like, very often they will have Nephilim in their handle or something like that. So I don't know if they're really immersed in it, if. Or if it's just like a peripheral knowledge somehow. Because these things are connected. Right.

[Top Lobster]

Their game is Flappy Bird. They're like, oh, we figured out.

[David Lee Corbo]

We.

[Top Lobster]

We develop a game called Flappy Bird. And then also Breeders of the Nephilim. Like, yeah, excuse me, you don't go from fl. I thought we were going to do. We skipped, you know, cut the fruit. Like, yeah, Fruit Ninja.

[Jules Santana]

Can we have done Fruit Ninja with the dildo? Would have been cool.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, I think there's something tied to that. Like a familiar spirit, maybe.

[Jules Santana]

Yeah, like. Like a whispering. That's like. So in my opinion, a lot of people that are moving around aren't aware of the ways in which they're being nudged spiritually, you know? So, like, you might. It's like the idea of the Muses, right, Where it's like, where did you come up for this, the idea for this art that you've created? And it's like, well, it came to me in a dream or. Or, you know, I. I Fappy bird. What a banger.

[Top Lobster]

Very funny.

[Jules Santana]

Shout out. Zamug man. Z man. So I do think that you don't have to be keyed into the entire bigger picture to be inspired to use these elements in your artwork. And then the question is, what's inspiring you?

[Top Lobster]

Well, it also leads to the topic of today, right? It's like ancient Sumerian deities that have an effect on today's religion. And not just religion, but culture. Apparently. Apparently our tech, our dildos, all this stuff, it's all one in the same. It's a through line.

[Jules Santana]

They came for our tech, and I said nothing because I wasn't a tech bro. They came for our dildos, and I said nothing because I was not a dildo bro. Yeah. It is something that permeates the culture and. And oftentimes will display itself in the most debaucherous corners of our culture. Things that probably would be better left in the dark, in the shadows. But instead they're at. I don't know what was at a conference or something like that. You know, it's like we're no longer doing things that we're ashamed of in secret. We're doing them and monetizing them. No shout out timeline.

[Top Lobster]

Glenn's a little. Little background here. I was told that, well, by. By. By the guy that we did Bohemian Grove with, he rented out a hole to do a comic Con where this kind of stuff would be going on. Like, I've been to some comic cons. Like, this is what happens. These are the people. And I was like, hey, maybe Bohemian Grove could be in. In one of these bigger venues. And he was like, oh, I don't know if they'd be okay with you guys, you know, being there. I was like, we didn't. You know, we did a presentation on the. The chrome, and we did show a penis on the screen once for three. I'm like. But I'm like, the degeneracy, you see, Like, I. I do this kind of, like, degeneracy to kind of show you, like, hey, I'm closing it.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, yeah.

[Top Lobster]

I'm married with two kids, and I'm just like. We're just, like, touching the line of, like, this is like, this is what's acceptable in society. But when. When I say it, we're like the outcast. But these people can come in there.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's just actual dicks. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Top Lobster]

To me.

[Jules Santana]

Yeah. So. So, okay, this is. Let's get into the. The. The bigger picture here. We just watched Billy Carson get torched in many ways by Wesley Huff.

[David Lee Corbo]

Shout Out Wes Huff. Yeah, man.

[Jules Santana]

Yeah. And he was just on Rogan's podcast Top and I listened to was an excellent podcast, no complaints. Followed by Mel Gibson's appearance on Rogan, which also Banger 2 Christian centric episodes on the biggest platform in the world. And Wes is coming off of the. The back of having demolished Billy Carson and really just showing him the many ways in which he's misinterpreting texts, misrepresenting texts, or how the text that he's referencing are not relevant to the conversation at all. And it was pretty masterfully done. And I don't want to throw sort of the Billy out with the bathwater in the sense that.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right, right.

[Jules Santana]

There is a lot of really compelling information hidden within this Anunnaki narrative, hidden within these Sumerian texts, these characters. The Epic of Gilgamesh.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right.

[Jules Santana]

All of these various charact seemingly are different names for characters that we are otherwise familiar with within Christianity or even other mythos like Greek mythology and things of that nature. And so what I like about what you're doing, Jules, is you have this Christian centric worldview, but you're still looking at these things and trying to see, well, how do they play with this Christian, Christian centric worldview? How might these characters actually be characters that we do know or know of? And is this one of these things where it's nine truths and one very important lie? And so I guess you can sort of take it away, Jules, if you want. With what did you start to discover as you went through these, like, Sumerian epics?

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, you know, you, I think you. I think you described it very well when you say, you know, the nine truths and the one lie. You know, I first, when I first got into this stuff, I did watch a lot of Billy Carson. And if you're, if you're kind of getting introduced to the Anunnaki or the Elohim, whatever you want to call them, even the Nephilim and stuff. He, you know, he has. He has some pretty good videos, but he loses. He kind of loses the mark where he veers into that. You know, we should be worshiping these deities or a certain sect of them. One side good, one side bad. I think both sides are bad, just in different ways. And when you look at it, you can kind of relate them to today, like the liberal archetype and the like neocon archetype. Right. And so when I started to get into that and I started to read all these other texts, the Book of Enoch, the Epic of Gilgamesh, like like you had said, the Necronomicon, you can start to make comparisons and contrast between these certain deities. And you realize that, oh my God, they're talking about the same ones in all these stories, just by different names. They usually keep the same archetype. But, you know, when I found that connection with Christ, you know, and, and you, you did hear him say that. All this stuff about Jesus that I don't find to be true, you know, everyone has their own interpretation. But, but yeah, man, I mean, he, he put some good information out there, but you do have to take some of it with a grain of salt. Excuse me. And for instance, the whole space thing, right? Now, I have started to look at this as when folks say that they're, they're spaceships, maybe it's like Merck, like, what's it, the Merkabah, light bodies, right? Then they're coming out of portals. Maybe they're much more ancient, ancient beings that have been here a lot longer than us. But you do start to find similarities with all of these deities. For instance, Enki, right? The first one to fall, in a sense, Samael, who, you know, certain classes of religions look as like a necessary evil. Right? You see that a lot in the Kabbalah mysticism. They, they, they kind of, I, I don't want to say worship Samael, but they, he is venerated. Yes, yes, very much so. And you kind of see this within Lil and Inky, this masculine and somewhat feminine side to it. And so inky, in my opinion, is the Lucifer archetype. And it is what is being brought back right now. And you have all these other, all these other deities, and they're all in the same family. And like I said, you can trace this through the stories, such as, like, Lilith. And I was doing some research earlier today on some stuff that I think we could bring up in a little bit. We, you know, y'all start talking about Cryptids. I found pretty interesting stuff that could be related to, like, Leviathan, Behemoth, these ancient monsters, I think would be pretty cool. But for instance, with like, ancient vampires, right? This goes back to Sumeria, known as the Wind Spirits or the Lolitu spirit. Lolitu, Lilith. Same thing. Right. But she is just a granddaughter of both Inky and Enlil. Because when you look at these stories, you also see they intermarry a lot, which you see with these elite families. Right, right. And so with each one of these deities. Okay, well, I, I, I won't put it like that. So with each, with each one of these deities, you can trace them and you can kind of tell that, especially through symbolism, which ones are being worshiped throughout the ages, which civilization holds which one in the highest regard. It's kind of an incredible. But, yeah, man. Also, people like to. Another thing that Billy does is. Well, I guess not just Billy. There's a lot of people that get into this stuff, many interpretations. Like I said, I don't. And y'all should take what I give you with, you know, with a grain of salt as well, that there are two sides to it and that we're kind of being pinned against each other by these sides. Right.

[Top Lobster]

Can I just go back again to Samuel? Because I'm, like, thinking about what I know about him. So you mentioned Lilith in the same breath as you did Samael. And you're saying that, like, they're a duality, or are you saying. Because some people think that they were married? I don't know if this is. I don't even know if it matters because, well, she.

[David Lee Corbo]

Okay, so if you look at it in the family tree, she is a granddaughter of both. Well, I guess a great granddaughter of Inky and Enlil, because Inky's daughter marries Enlil son. Right. His son being Nannar Sin, the moon God, which I believe is the God of Islam. Inky's daughter being. What's her name? Name will come to me. Ningal. Ningal. And then having UTU Shamash, Erishkigal, who is known as Persephone. UTU Shamash, you can see him in the Book of Enoch. He taught the signs of the sun. He's the sun God. Helios Shamsiel, one of the fallen angels. Also Inanna, Ishtar. What's another name? Asteroth, I think Venus, which is another form of Lucifer worship, because before there was any. So the original Lucifer worship was really just the worship of Venus or the morning star, before it turned into what you would call like an egregore. Right. Or like someone taking on that archetype. And so Inky. So Lilith being the granddaughter, great granddaughter of Samael, they still had sexual relations. Right. So you do see that with most of these entities, which we know is just. Probably just something you shouldn't do. Right. And so, yeah, man. I mean, you see these archetypes manifesting today, but when you go back, when you go all the way back now, it's the same thing with Marduk. Most people don't know that Inky son Marduk was the original fallen angel, Azazel. And Like I said, there's certain religious sects that I guess you could say worship these entities. I don't know if y'all want to get into that.

[Jules Santana]

Well, before we do, can I ask you a question about Enki and Enlil? What characters might we otherwise know them by as far as names go?

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, Inky, there's a couple older names, like in the Akkadian, Assyrian kind of pantheons. Aya, the God of the water. Then you have Nudamud, the Artful Fashioner. And this goes back to him creating hybrid things. Right. And them knowing that, like, oh, we shouldn't be doing this. They refer to a creator of. All right. So even they know that there is a higher power above them, and they know that they are doing wrong, and they question that quite a lot. So for them to follow through with, it's kind of like.

[Jules Santana]

Okay, well, Jules, before you go on, I just wanted to say that what this is reminding me of is this same thing that we have playing out today. So when it comes to politics, we unironically identify both political parties as the left wing and the right wing, which is to say two sides of the same entity. Right, yeah. Two wings of the same bird. Or maybe two wings of the same fallen angel. And then, of course, you have this in Freemasonry, too, where people will suspect that much of the theater that we see unfolding on the world stage is a sort of freemasonic ceremony of sorts, where you're having this left hand path and the right hand path and the right hand path. Right. Light magicians, dark magician, and we're meant to root for one. But what do these hands belong to? Well, they're two hands of the same entity. And it isn't lost on me how impactful that modality is on, you know, human beings to do that, to create this bit of theater, to have them rooting for one side or another, when it's really just the same entity. That's some of the most powerful control mechanisms that we're exposed to today. And it would seem only appropriate if I learned that that same methodology is one that's been there since the dawn of time. So when you're talking about Enkei and Enlil and. And all these different entities, it almost feels like what you're getting at is that since then it's been this false binary.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yes. And you asked for some more kind of comparisons in. In Leo, you could compare him to L, Saturn, Cronus, Inky, you could compare to Poseidon. Right, Because a meaning, the God of the water. Yeah, man. And then you have like, for instance, the Luciferic archetype Prometheus, right? You could refer to him as that as well, within Lil. His son being Ishkur relates a lot to Zeus, right? So you got Kronos Zeus. So, I mean, and Mo. And some people be like, well, Ishkur, he more relates to Saturn and this. And so, I mean, there's many ways you could look at it, but this is my interpretation, right? So I think people should, if they're interested in it further, do maybe their own research and try to find other kind of connections, because you can find out more and more about this stuff the farther you. You keep going into it. But yeah, man, no, it is dense.

[Jules Santana]

I do recommend people use you to help launch their research, because from the outside looking in, this is a daunting and dense topic. And it's so foreign. Even though it's so intrinsic to our experience here in this realm, it's still so foreign, which is obviously by design, right? It's like the very nature of the place that we inhabit is a mystery to us. And. And so it is daunting to try to understand these things. But I think what you're doing over there at Gray Pill Podcast is a great way to help people piece these things together. But I wanted to ask you something. And yes, we are going to cut the stream soon, guys. So for those of you who are watching on Rumble on YouTube, we're going to be going live exclusively to patreon.com backslash Nephilim Death Squad in a matter of moments here for editing purposes. But if you don't mind the audio and you don't want ads, maybe consider signing [e-mail] backslash Nephilim Death Squad. You can continue watching along, sounding off in the chat, and also get a few perks while you're there. So, Jules, you had mentioned Samael and how he was perceived as a necessary evil. And that brings to mind this idea of Satan, right? Satan being the accuser. And I'm kind of becoming more and more comfortable with this as being a job title, one that's meant to test man in various different ways. And that's why you'll often see Satan communicating with God, asking if he's allowed to do X, Y and Z to job. And, and. And God is allowing some of it, but not all of it. There are rules to engagement, and it does seem that I'm not sold one way or the other, but I could understand how a character like that would be Important to our development spiritually and, and, and cognitively, you know, intelligent. Just our development. All right, so I'm wondering, I'm wondering, is that what you're getting at when you say that people perceived him as a necessary evil?

[David Lee Corbo]

Yes. Inky was probably okay, so you're right. It is a title there. And this is, in my opinion, there is not one Satan. Right. Hasatan, Satanil, whatever you want to call them by. It's a title or an archetype that's passed down. And you see it in these stories, passed down through these deities, particularly on Enki side. Right. And so, yeah, it basically, it passes down from Enki to Marduk, from. From him to his son Set. And then you have Semyaza thrown in the mix, who's basically one of these lesser angels where you could consider fallen cherubim. Right. And that's, that's a whole, the whole story in itself, to be honest with you, because you have certain gods, Gods in certain parts of the world being all being worshiped in these, in these different cultures. But it, when you look at it from, from this angle, it's like they're all kind of fighting for power amongst each other, like a family feud of some sort.

[Jules Santana]

Right.

[David Lee Corbo]

And so, yeah, Inky side is, is more of the dualistic kind of. He is the serpent in the garden. Right, yeah.

[Jules Santana]

Interesting.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. And when you look at a lot of them are like the gods of the earth, the gods of the water, where do serpents roam? On the ground. Right. Even with these ancient monsters you find like lion face dragons that they talk about.

[Jules Santana]

Yes, yeah, that's actually something that we were talking about recently because within the Gnostic belief system, they depict God. Yeah, it's. What's the name of it?

[David Lee Corbo]

Yaldaboath.

[Jules Santana]

Yaldaboa. And I believe that's actually the same entity that homeboy would have saw in our Jerry Marzinski episode with the mechanical engineer who overcame schizophrenia but did have a vision of this entity coming out of a portal. So, yeah, there's. There's no shortage of like serpentine body, lion head kind of situations within this spiritual realm when it comes to these entities.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, yeah, man. And the Gnostic text, dude, that's, that's something else that you're, you know, that you can get into. And you can also kind of relate the aeons, right, which are under the archons, I think, to the fallen angels that came in, that came in Genesis 6. Right. But most people don't know that there were two falls. But when you look at the Sumerian story, you do find that Enki arrived first. Right. But something that I don't really agree with is it's told that he created us. Right. I think we were already here. And then they came and they created other races. Right. And manipulated DNA. Fallen angel, DNA tinkering because it talks about this. And that's how the Nephilim were created, which happened in the second fall when Marduk basically decided, hey, I'm tired of being up here stationed on Mars. Because in the Anunnaki story, let's, let's go ahead and talk about this. Their planet was dying. Right?

[Jules Santana]

Right.

[David Lee Corbo]

Nibiru, which I often look at as another dimension maybe. Yeah. And so to keep themselves from like aging rapidly growing tall, or I, I guess from not growing tall, they had to shoot mono atomic gold into the atmosphere. And some people have related mana, like, you know, the mana from heaven to man. Atomic. Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's some of that right there. And they would shoot it into the atmosphere, they grind it up. I, I trying to remember what it was called. There's another name for it, but maybe it'll come to me. And so they were running out of that and they basically found that. Well, okay, so the story goes, there was an egg, an exiled king of Nibiru, who fought King Anu, the father of Inky and Enlil. And I don't know if this was symbolic or not, but he ended up biting off Anu's penis. Manhood. Yeah, they, so there's these ancient wrestling matches that they used to have to gain kingship over one another. They'd get naked, kind of gay, and they, and they would wrestle each other. And so a Laylu who a lot of researchers have kind of connected him to the face on Mars.

[Jules Santana]

Oh, interesting.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He arrives on Earth and he basically.

[Jules Santana]

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[David Lee Corbo]

Sends out a message to them. Now this could be through telepathy. This could be if they had, I mean if, if you're an ancient being and you have knowledge that's otherworldly or from another dimension, maybe you could create some kind of radio, right? Okay, I don't know, some kind of ancient apple watch maybe, I don't know. Basically telling Inky like, hey, there's gold here on this planet. It's plentiful. And so they arrive and you see the similarities in all these. Like you have the atrahesis, right? Which is the flood epic. You have Inky in the world order, that cuneiform tablet which is basically the arrival of Samael and his fallen to Earth to mine this gold. And they basically create these lesser Anunnaki called the Ajigi.

[Jules Santana]

Can I, can I ask you something real quick? So you're saying who showed up first, Enki?

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, it was this guy Alelu whose daughter was married to Inky. So they had some like father in law, son in law bond, right? So that's why he hit Inky up. He's like, yo, what up? Come, come on down here, you know, right? And he ends up basically being exiled from Earth to Mars where he dies. And that's where that supposed face on Mars comes from. That's just a theory, you know, but.

[Jules Santana]

I just feel like it's interesting that Elon has this obsession with Mars, right? And I know the book from Werner von Braun and the guy Elon who's colonizing Mars, but you know, it's Elon L on, right?

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. And you look at that with Inky and it's like, starts with the E, four letters, right? Like there may be something there. And even. And I talked with Jose about this on his morning show, the Kek. The Kek Deity, right?

[Jules Santana]

Yeah, the, the Egyptian deity of chaos.

[David Lee Corbo]

The frog deity, which is also related to Osiris, the art, the archetypal green man. I'd say probably the first one, him and P also being Inky. Right. Who, when you look into what they looked like, they were green. And this is where like Yoda comes from because of the Jed pillar, the jed eyes. Right. Very interesting stuff because you see the green man a lot and people probably like, oh, that's just a frog. But like you got Kermit, you got Yoda, you got the Grinch, you have a lot of, you know, forms of entertainment that you see out there. And they're putting this green man in front of you. And the green man was sacrificed too in a lot of, and, and a lot of pagan mysteries. Right. So you see this throughout time. But Osiris basically being o Sirius, he was a, I guess a child of two bloodlines. So when you get further into this, and this is what my co host Adrian, a lot of his research has come to. One side of the Anunnaki comes from the Orion star cluster, the other coming from Sirius, the dog star. And you see the dog symbolism a lot, especially with the, what was it? The Urdemu, which means gruesome hound or howling dog, which I interpret to be the first dogman.

[Jules Santana]

That's where my brain started going, what.

[Top Lobster]

Was the other star?

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, are you talking about the Orion star cluster?

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, yeah. What did that represent?

[David Lee Corbo]

That represented basically Inky side. And through my co host research and his co author who he, he writes his, his books with, Shout out Adrian. He basically came to a conclusion that Inky was reptilian. He was born of an egg birth called parthenogenesis, which is basically like an asexual reproduction coming from the Pleiadian queen who was a reptilian. And this where it gets kind of out there, guys. So stay with me. Right, which, which is. We know that's what the month of May is named after. And she kind of had this royal tie to Anu, like they had to have a child. Now her just basically having an egg birth because she's, she's a reptilian if.

[Jules Santana]

She'S got a cloaca. Very cool.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. How that feel that Chloe. That Chloe. But you know, they, they, Anu raised Inky, so it like wasn't really his son, but he raised him like his son. So Inky and Enlil weren't brothers, they were stepbrothers. And that's where the clash comes in. One of them is Like, I want to rule this. And he's like, no, I'm the son of Anu. Like, you know, his actual seed. I'm gonna rule. And then their. Their children fight over it.

[Top Lobster]

Lion King. Right?

[Jules Santana]

It does a great job of laying out, like, once again, everything is about genetics. Everything is about a seed.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. Yeah. What you do with that seed is on you, you know, but you need.

[Jules Santana]

To drink it to get the knowledge.

[David Lee Corbo]

Was that 20%?

[Jules Santana]

So, okay. Yeah. This is. I mean, so much of these things have. Have overlap. And. And what's really important to highlight here is, like, you know, the only real beef that I have with, like, a Billy Carson type of character. And like you mentioned earlier, Jules, there's a lot of people who kind of take this route is that these things are, number one, our creator, and number two, the Bible's wrong. And it's like. I don't even know how you could say that when the overlap is tremendous. It's like, to say the Bible is wrong is to say that the vast majority of your own research that you're championing is wrong, because the overlap, like I said, is tremendous. So. But it does feel like. And I know we're gonna get into more, but it just feels like the. The name of the game is very simple. It's like there is God, the creator, the Father, and then there are these. These rebellious creations. And what they've done is they've just split themselves into two groups, one good, one bad, and then said that they created us. So now we. We. They have us rooting for them. And also, they've lied to us fundamentally about the nature of how we came to be.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. Yeah, man. And. And that's why I. I was saying, like, you kind of have to watch out with this stuff because, yeah, there are a lot of people that probably research it, and they're like, oh, well, this makes sense. Right? They don't dive any any further, deeper. They. They don't question it at all. Yeah, but once I had a. You know, once. Once you develop that connection with. With the Holy Spirit, with Christ, whatever you want to call it. Christ consciousness. You know what? I don't know. It's something you can't really. You can't really deny. Right? Yeah. And so I. I do take those stories with a grain of salt. However, when you read these other stories, it's like, okay, well, the deities are there. You know, they're all fallen. Regardless. They're all fallen. If you want to worship them, that. That's on you. But in my opinion, they're all fallen. They're all part of the ophanim, seraphim, cherubim that lost touch with, with the creator and rebelled at the same time, creating offspring who would then create other offspring and so on and so forth. And so you had these different generations of fallen. And dude, I mean, like I said earlier, many interpretations of these stories as well as, like, people like to correlate. For instance, what's a good example? Tammuz Dumuzi, who is Enki's youngest son, people like to relate him to Nimrod and then to Shamash. That's three different deities completely, in my opinion. Nimrod or Gilgamesh being a, another son of Inky. Because one thing you do see in these stories is Inky is sticking his dick into absolutely everything. Crush. Yeah, dude, like what? Says he poured his seed, right? Yeah, yeah. And like it flowed like the river or something.

[Jules Santana]

Nut and rivers.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, well, lots of seed. He, he would find like, young women. I don't know how young, so don't, you know, we're not gonna go there. But. And, and yeah, he would just, oh, I like this woman. His, like, viziers would be like, yes, master, go for it.

[Jules Santana]

You know, there's something that I, I kind of wanted to go back to. I'm sorry, I know I keep derailing you.

[David Lee Corbo]

Look, I probably started the show off, y'all asked me to get into it, and I just nose dive right down.

[Jules Santana]

Right, right, right, right. Well, it's a hard, it's a hard thing to, to ease your self into. Right? It's such a vast pool of information, so we have to kind of trust that the audience has some sort of grounding and then take it from there.

[Top Lobster]

But I'm trying to pick my spots of asking questions because I've had a.

[David Lee Corbo]

Lot on my mind this morning, and so now I just kind of dumped it on y'all. So if you, if you need me to go back and talk about anything, if you have any questions about, like, what deities. I mean, I have. Are, are we, are we just on Patreon right now?

[Jules Santana]

Right now we're just on Patreon. Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, I have my, my, my Pantheon journals right here.

[Jules Santana]

Wow, look at that. Yeah, man. Actually notes. Incredible.

[David Lee Corbo]

Tons of stuff.

[Top Lobster]

Someone's gonna find that in like 100 years and be like, what the is.

[David Lee Corbo]

This guy talking about?

[Jules Santana]

So, so check this out. You, you mentioned before three things that I think are relevant. You mentioned Orion, right? And then one sect of these entities coming from there. And then you mentioned Sirius the other sect coming from there. We also mentioned Niburu. And this, this brings into question the idea of like space and, and the nature of it actually. So going back to Sumer, I believe that they actually had depictions, hieroglyphics of the solar system.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Jules Santana]

And, and it was in such a way, this is something I became aware of when I was younger and I was kind of into the whole Anunnaki thing. And that was very striking to me that this ancient civilization would have had an accurate depiction of our solar system. But it did include an additional celestial body that I think now we would have identified as Niburu, according to their mythology. And so for, I guess the layman, the idea is that Niburu was sort of this planet that is on an elliptical orbit, meaning it's not a circle, it's an oval. And, and its orbit takes thousands of years to complete. And so what happens is 3,600 years, 3,600 years old.

[David Lee Corbo]

One char which, which ties, which ties into a lot, but.

[Jules Santana]

Right. So the idea is that this thing spends a time passing through our solar system causing all kinds of havoc, bringing these entities closer to ours. Obviously, introducing a celestial body into our mix up will cause all sorts of geomagnetic, you know, pole shifts was kind of the theory. Right. We're going to have a magnetic pole shift because of this planet's entry into our proximity. But then on the other end of this 36 year process, it's very far from us and allegedly it's blocked from our telescopes by our own sun. And then there's all this speculation about what it actually is. Is it a brown dwarf? Is it a, is it, do we have a binary star system? Yada, yada, yada, whatever, doesn't matter. Let's go on to the Orion's Belt thing. You have the great pyramids. They are clearly mirroring Orion's belt. And so it's this, this megalithic structure that's pointing to this, this astrological, you know, system. And then of course you have the, the serious thing, right, where these other entities claim to be from. And it starts to beg a lot of questions because we know that NASA lies a lot. And I'm open to the idea that just because, you know, look at ancient Sumerians. How did they know this? How are they able to depict this solar system? Well, they were, they were told they didn't have the ability to see them themselves. Maybe they were granted some sort of technology. But the name of the game from these entities is deception. So now I'm entertaining the idea. Are they deceiving these people? Are they planting these seeds very early in humanity's development so that even the ancient civilizations have an idea of our solar system? Because I believe that in many ways NASA is also designed to lie to us about the nature of space so that it can trick us about the nature of the entities. So this is all very complicated. I, I, on one hand, I want to give credence to the ancients depictions of the stars and how accurate they are. But on the other, I also recognize that NASA is lying, you know, to a grandiose scale. And you said that maybe the idea of Niburu is actually a portal. So can we talk about that a little bit? I mean, what do you think these things are actually coming from? Do you think they're coming from someplace far away? Or is this an interventional thing?

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, man, maybe. Okay, so for instance, you said that 36, well, I had mentioned it was 3, 600 years here is one year on Nibiru. So, so it says, right? And so maybe there is a portal. Now it really depends on what you believe. If you believe in if this is a realm, if this is a globe Earth with space or flat Earth with a dome, right? They got to be coming from somewhere outside of this dimension, regardless. Now, I don't know, because you see their descriptions in, in these texts of these, these winged birds, right? These giant birds that, that they, it's says they fly in. But like I was saying earlier, this may just be a description of a light body, right? Or an opening. Because when, when you look a little further on, like in certain depictions, Uranus, you see these pictures of them with these star portals, right? And we've heard about like, ancient star portals in Iran, which we know is the Fertile Crescent, old Mesopotamia, which is, there's a theory that that's one of the reasons that we went to war with, you know, with Iraq and all that stuff, because Saddam had star portals there that I think they were trying to bring some of these deities back through. I think these, if, if, if these certain entities were here and they left a long time ago, they would come back to check in. If, if not all, I, I think there's still some here, a few of them that have been worshiped over the last couple thousand years, right? And I think that's one of the reasons that Christ came, because there are theories, now this is a theory, mind you, that he incarnated earlier on, right, through all these other entities, the Christed beings in all these old mystery schools. But that Jesus Christ was his final incarnation and that, you know, I think all these other mystery religions may be kind of copied from the story of Christ and maybe it's been subverted in some way, like you said. Are they planting seeds from the very beginning to deceive us? I think that that could be the case. Right. I kind of. I kind of look more into, I guess, how we are worshiping these deities without even knowing it through our stuff, the stuff that folks do every day, which you all call Nephilim, right? Yeah, man. There's. There's a lot of theories and there's some stuff that I'm still doing research on that I'm still kind of diving down, making more core, making more connections with the Bible. But. Yeah, dude, I mean, I forgot what I was going to say. Forgive me.

[Jules Santana]

Well, I was gonna mention because of what you were just saying that, you know, this idea that some of them are left behind still, I mean, throughout the Bible, it seems that, like, different entities are. Are relegated to different punishments, different places. Right. Like, there's not just the bottomless pit. Right. Or there's not just like the Lake of Fire. If you read the Book of Enoch, it seems that there's multiple places. Even the idea that there are angels underneath the. What's that river in Africa that is drying up, man? Why am I losing the Euphrates River? Right. So. So we already have precedent for a lot of these entities being in different locations, whether they're here on Earth or in our realm or some other place that we don't have access to. But in the Book of Enoch, when the archangels were flying Enoch around, he took note of, like, several different disturbing places that he was asking these angels, like, what in the hell is that place? What's that place? And so, you know, we have been uncovering here on. On Nephilim Death Squad this idea that something is going on in Indiana, which there is even books to back that idea. I know they're works of fiction, but I was recently made aware of a book called Angelology that claims that one of the places that these entities reside in underground Nephilim and fallen angels, which is the language that the book uses, is Indiana. And of course, Stranger Things takes place in Indiana now. Stranger Things. It happens in a different realm, though, in the Upside Down. And I would argue that many of the experiences people are having in Indiana, where they are meeting Ball, interestingly enough. Right. Which is an old would. I don't know if Sumer would be the first instance of the usage of. Of the word ball. But yeah, and I'm also kind of.

[David Lee Corbo]

Comes, comes from bell, which comes from bellu, which means lord. So ball would just mean probably like the Lord, right?

[Jules Santana]

Like almost like king, right? Interchangeable with king.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yes, yes, yes, yes.

[Jules Santana]

And that to me feels a lot like Satan. So Satan being the accuser, Ball being lord or king. In the same way that there have been many Satans, I imagine there have been many balls as well. So whoever people are getting recruited by, it's more or less like he's saying, call me king as, as a way of identifying himself, this entity. But we don't know which one it is actually, right? As far as, like, is it Azazel? Is it, you know, X, Y and Z?

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, yeah, you actually hit, hit the nail on the head with that one. It is Azazel. When you look at Azazel, he is the first of the second fall. This correlates directly to Inky's oldest son, Marduk. Now when you look at the Sumerian story, Marduk was cast aside. He was used as the scapegoat, which, that's what Azazel means, is the scapegoat. And he basically, this is bell in the Bible. This is the bell that you see in Isaiah, whose son is Nebo Naboo, right? You see him, he is basically their adversary because, you know, Satan means adversary. He is the adversary of the Anunnaki. He is the one who, he kills his youngest brother, Tammuz, right? Because he's jealous of him and Inanna's relationship. Now they shouldn't have had that relationship because they're cousins, right? I mean, if you're into that, you're into that. But yeah, he is kind of put out there as this Satan figure. And you see it with his son set with his butt buddy, Simiaza or Sham, guys, that was his name in Sumeria. And like I said, folks kind of need to do their own research if they're interested because my interpretations may be wrong. Right. I'm just kind of going on what I know and putting together different texts that I've read. And like, I don't want to lead anyone away from what, what would be Christ, right? But I, I have kind of driven myself crazy with this stuff sometimes. That's why my mind goes blank. You know, I have to question a lot, right? But there's some things that you, you just know to be true. And I've said this a lot recently, like, just because folks have read the Bible or they go to church every week, doesn't mean that they're in tune with that spirit, right? Most people. Well, not I. I wouldn't say most, but there's a lot of. Especially down here in the south too with like all the Southern Baptist churches and stuff. Like, there's some people there that are going there just like are shitty. You know, we ended up going to a non denominational church. That works out better than anything. But like they have the flag, they had the Israeli flag up in there. And I'm like, hey, you don't know. That's the hexagram of Solomon, right? Like that that was used to build Solomon's temple, which is where freemasonry stems from.

[Jules Santana]

We had a little bit of that on our show where we were talking to somebody and, and it was a great episode up until we speculated as to whether or not the Star of David was really the Seal of Solomon or. Or the Star of Rem Fam. And he didn't like that. He got a little upset at that. Really. Yeah, you know, it is what it is.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's not in the Goatia and the Lesser Keys of Solomon. And see right there, hey, this is the hexagram of Solomon. This is a hex sign. Right.

[Top Lobster]

The thing is, is that we, by like bringing that up, we are cutting off his entire ideology at the knees. At least his political ideology. It's Boomer, you know, it is Boomer.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Jules Santana]

They, they really do love that. You know what, what this reminds me of though, especially this conversation about titles. There's a really famous interview, Bob Dylan, I think, where the interviewer, it's like 60 minutes or something, and the guy's saying, why are you still doing this all these years later? You're so old, you have enough money, surely you can retire. And I'm paraphrasing, but he says, well, it all goes down to that deal that I made and I've got to make good on my end of the deal. And he goes, deal with who? And he goes with the. I think he uses the expression commander in chief of this realm and a realm that we can't see. Which is interesting because that also goes back to top. Who were we having a conversation with? Might have been Jay Dyer, talking about a guy who was, for research purposes, delving deep into LSD, I think, back in the 70s, and consistently coming in contact with an entity that identified itself as Moloch. This is before Moloch was mainstream conspiracy, you know, especially without the Internet back then. That's whispers of an entity, you know, in. In really strange. I don't even know who's having those conversations back in the 70s and where they're having them at. I would love to be a fly on the wall for what conspiracy theorists used to look like, but. And that entity told him that one day he would be the king of, I guess, the west, more or less. And so if chief is a title, if ball is a title, if Satan is a title, and there's all these entities that seem to be passing it back and forth, I think that really is an important distinction to draw when looking at because there's a very reductive point of view. You know, Jules, you're talking about how this is beyond the grasp of a lot of like, let's say Southern Baptists, Right. And so they're not armed with this in depth information, which I don't think you need to be saved, or I don't think you need to know this in order to be saved. You just have to believe that Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the life, and repent, and through him is the Father. Right? So it's. It's a. It's a simple thing. The belief being the core function here. But there is so much, I guess not to say that I'm right, but if I am, there's a lot of misunderstanding going on here about the nature of these entities. We have one dude with a pitchfork who's made of red skin, and he's got horns and a flickery tail, right? And that's Satan. And it's like. Actually, it's infinitely more complicated than that. And there are a lot of people, there are systems, king, chief, yada, yada. Right. Colonel. I don't know, like an army. And why wouldn't there be? Because how are we capable of creating those systems? But. But these entities wouldn't.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right? Yeah, dude. Well, funny thing about that, with the horns, that does go back to Inky and his whole side being depicted with horns. Now, I don't know if that's just because in the Sumerian lore, you know, they are kind of put, you know, as the serpent or the adversary. And so they are depicted with those horns. It may be symbolic because you have some depictions of Moses with horns, right? And him coming from Egypt, Egypt being the land of Kim. Where else do we see that word in alchemy, right? There's theories of Moses being an alchemist, like the first OG alchemist. Now is that true? I don't know. But I mean, it's something that you could look into and you see that symbolism a lot. And you know, guys, that's. That's why I have the Elohim etymology. And each episode is focused on a certain deity, because when you start to talk about all of them, as y'all saw earlier, you kind of like. You're like, oh, okay, where. Where am I now? But you can see which deities are being worshiped today through the symbolism, a lot of symbolism that these celebrities put out there. Ishtar, for instance, the. The feminine aspect. Venus, the original Lucifer archetype. And people are like, oh, Lucifer being a female. And it's like, yeah, yeah, dude. With the dualism, you have the feminine and masculine aspects of it as well. Your eye of Horus, your eye of Ra, all that stuff. Horace and Ra being grandsons of Inky. So it says in. In the Sumerian stuff, and. And, well, Ra relating more to Marduk, I guess you could say Horus and Osiris as. As well as set. But that story in itself. So then when you think about it, you're like, damn, the Egyptians were worshiping just this one sect of. Of. Of the fallen, right? Now, there's some interpretations that Yahweh, Jehovah is in Leo, and the archangels are his sons. Now that. That may not be so bad. So what if they are actually, like, trying, like, they're fighting against Inky, like, you know, Earth women and all this stuff. His. His kids, like, dabbling and magic and teaching humans all this other stuff. What if they're trying to put a stop to it and, like, they are emissaries from the Creator.

[Jules Santana]

Right? You know, just on that point, the way that I've remedied that in my own communications with God is I. I reference God as the Father, the Father that Jesus Christ is talking about specifically because I've seen enough anecdotal evidence for what you just said. Yahweh being like, you know, this other negative entity that I'm like, okay, he.

[David Lee Corbo]

Is in the Canaanite pantheon and stuff like that, right? And so maybe Yahweh is like a title, or maybe they've hijacked the name and taken a couple, like, vowels out, change it around a little bit, because there's a lot of different translations for these names. Yahaweh, kind of like with Jesus. Yeshu. Yeshua. Right? Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, it's just not, like I said, grain of salt, guys.

[Top Lobster]

It's. It's interesting because I. With that. That Bob Dylan interview that you always bring up. So he's talking to Ed Bradley, and the exact quote is it goes back to that deal I made with the Chief Commander in this. In this world and the one we can't see.

[Jules Santana]

So can I just say, my ability to paraphrase that was like fucking 95%.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, you missed Chief Commander, which is.

[Jules Santana]

No, I said Chief Commander. I said it, dude.

[David Lee Corbo]

Fuck.

[Jules Santana]

Yeah. I just didn't say. I said in this world. In a world we can't see is what I said.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, right, right.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

It's. It's interesting though, because it's like you're calling on the Most High or you're using these names, but he's saying chief Commander. What the hell does that mean?

[David Lee Corbo]

Satan is in charge of this world, right? Like God, basically, when he cast Satan down, I. I think this was done on the fallen's own accord. They chose to fall. They knew what they were doing coming down here. Earth, women and animals. And some people could interpret that as like science experiments because inky, new to mud, meaning the artful fashioner. That could be. Like, he was also known as the scientist. Who else do we know is the scientist? Yakub, Right?

[Jules Santana]

Yakuza, baby. Oh, that's interesting.

[David Lee Corbo]

His origins being in South Africa. Right. A redo Eridu. There's a few ways that you could say it. Yeah, yeah. And creating different hybrids of people right now. Not to say that we are all. We all come from that. I would argue that not every race is the same, but we won't get into that.

[Top Lobster]

I actually want to. So I want to ask you a question.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Jules Santana]

What's up?

[Top Lobster]

Where are you at on like, pre. Pre Adamite men.

[Jules Santana]

Or.

[Top Lobster]

I don't know if you even call them men, but just pre Adamites.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well.

[Top Lobster]

I'm asking the race question. I just. What do you. What do you think about this?

[David Lee Corbo]

To be honest with you, I have looked at it in a. In a couple ways, and there's some descriptions of this in these stories, some of some of these deities being. When they incarnate. Right. They incarnate in avatar bodies, whether that's like, scientifically made or biological. And they. There's like, you know, these regeneration chambers, which is a whole different rabbit hole. When you talk about. What's his name? Ningazida, though. Hermes. And the Halls of Amente being under the pyramids and Sphinx and all that, That's a whole different place to go down. But there were humans already here when the Anunnaki arrived here. And. But they weren't. They weren't this. They. They. They weren't the brightest.

[Jules Santana]

Right, right, right. Something closer to. No, I was just gonna say something closer to like what we might interpret as, like. Sorry, something closer to what we might interpret as like a Neanderthal. Right. When we're looking at evolutionary biology and they're showing us these representations of ancient man, very much the same physical descriptives as what the pre Adamites would have been.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, dude. It actually says in these stories that there were two Adams, man. Now I. I don't know how true that would be because we were only told of one Adam in the Bible. But there was Adamu, who they kind of created and they let go. He was too much like them, it said. But then there was Adapa, who Adapa later became the husband of Lilith. Yeah. Apparently Adapa was carrying some kind of DNA. I don't know if it was maybe from Inky or Ninmah, who is. And you see, see, so you see this a lot too, man. Ninmah being the sister of Inla and Inky, they both had children with her bro.

[Jules Santana]

Like, now that we're in 2025 and. And it's like, I know we're in the middle of this thing where it's like they're banning porn from Florida or whatever the case may be, but it wasn't long ago, or maybe it still is that the number one trending, like, porn search is incestual. It's stepsister. It's. You know what I mean? It's like I just find that everything echoes from those times.

[David Lee Corbo]

This brings me to another point. These archetypes of these certain fallen deities, particularly Inanna, Ishtar El, and then Marduk, Bel Marduk, they are reemerging. Like, you have the spirit of Lilith reemerging through fourth wave feminism. Right. You have all these wars happening right now, and it is of my opinion that the Jews do not. I'm sorry. Well, I guess we're on Patreon now. That different sects of Jews worship these different deities. Yeah. For instance, I would agree with that. The Talmudic Jews straight up worship Bel Marduk, the priest of Babylon. It goes in into the Rothschilds, meaning like raw shield, red shield. The other Jews worshiping L. Right, they have the. The box on their head. Now, they. They may both put boxes on their heads. I don't know. But. But yeah, man, like I said, when you kind of get into these. These entities, you have to take them one by one. But Lilith, you know, her basically being like an inbred baby, and apparently she was one of the first sirens, right? Yeah. Inky being the God of the water, Right. So like, they had these aquatic kind of, what would you call it, Aspects to them. Now, like I said, who knows? Who knows if this stuff was physical, if it was astral. I, I tend to kind of think it's both. For instance, there's some, some of these names that you see, especially emissaries from the creator that come down and tell them, like, hey, shouldn't be doing this, or hey, you need like, basically showing up in dreams, right? Not being there physically, but coming through. What you would probably, like what would be a portal, right? That's something else that I've been trying to dive further into recently is the whole interdimensional aspect of it and relating it to these deities. Because, like I said, there's the original story and then you link in at.

[Jules Santana]

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[David Lee Corbo]

All this other stuff, and you kind of find these little pieces along the way that make more and more sense. I, I still have. We. We've only dived into like four of these entities on, on our show and I and I talk about them a bunch. But like, for instance, with, with certain sects of Hebrews worshiping, the main candle on the Menorah is called the Shamash, relating directly to Shamsiel, another fallen angel. So, like, they're giving praise to each one by these certain signs and sigils and like naming certain things after them. It's very odd. It's like they're like, oh, it's, they're, they're acting like they're there watching them or something. Like physically. Yeah, like on Yom Kippur, you leave the door open. They say it's for Elijah, but there's some theories it's for Azazel. Right, right. And that's where the sacrificing, the chicken comes from and all that stuff.

[Jules Santana]

It does seem like a lot of these entities. Part of the trouble with tracking them down is they've taken on new attributes throughout time. And some of those attributes were some that came from others. Like when we're talking about Lilith.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right.

[Jules Santana]

And, and you mentioned her being a sireth, a siren, rather. I always took siren to mean sort of an aquatic, like a mermaid type of character, but obviously a very negative one that lures men to their death singing. But there is this idea. So in, in Isaiah, Lilith is listed amongst other creatures in the deserts, including hyenas and goat demons. And then there is this idea that the, that Lilith is connected to the owl, which, you know, if you do a little bit of a. A Google on that, you'll find that. Right, the screech owl. But over time, it's like, I've heard them, I've heard her associated with the siren, but then I've heard her described as something that is like a harpy, which is, you know, I guess there's precedent for these things hanging out by cliffsides, by water. But that's a, that's a bird with tits, you know, like a bird lady with tits. And, and it's, it's, it just gets really confusing. And I wonder it's if it's because the answer is like, yes to all of those things like these, These entities aren't just one thing. And over time, maybe they do adapt and change and take from one another. You know what I mean? Especially if you can look at Lucifer as, as both in some instances, a male character and a female character. Well, then there's a sort of transmutation that seemed to take place because they're spiritual beings.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, and also you have to look at it. Where do shape shifters come from? Right. Like where, where does that come from? It. It probably stems directly from these certain entities, that being a gift of the fallen. Right. What you would, what they would call a gift, not so much. Right. I think it'd be terrifying to shed your skin and to change into some creature and that goes into like the Dogman, like the Urdemu, what we were talking about, as well as the. I had to write these names down. The Kusariku, the Bull man, or the Minotaur. Interesting. Yeah, yeah. The Edemu, the wind spirits, which are directly related to Lilith. It's like she had this dominion over what I guess you would say could be elementals of some sort. And The Fallen. And my wife kind of has this theory that the Fallen have manipulated the earth elementals, which God the creator created. Right. If you get into the esoteric and stuff. And, and I've read a lot of manly Palmer Hall. I, I don't agree with everything he talks about, but there are some things in there that are very interesting as, as well as these dragons, you see, horn dragons, lion face dragons. It also refers to them as storm demons, fish monsters, Kalulu. Who does that sound like? Yeah, exactly. This all stems back to ancient Mesopotamia, these original names. And it's just like that with the deities, right? Yeah, man.

[Jules Santana]

Even when it comes to this idea of minotaurs. Right. It's like, well, you have a precedent for these angels having the face of a bull or an oxen in, in many cases. And then of course you have Molech, which at some point is depicted as a bull, then all of a sudden seems to adopt the, the owl of Minerva, which is interesting because the owl is also associated with Lilith. There is a huge ancestral crossover of the symbolism that's associated with these entities.

[David Lee Corbo]

And, and this could all be symbolic, right? Like, I don't know. It, it. I, I tend to think that there's some, something greater to it, but there's some people that look at it symbolically. Now. I have a theory that's where Mothman comes from is Moloch. Yeah. If Moloch was a deity, a fallen angel, and he participated in the corruption of God's creation, then. And when, when you look at Mothman, he is a harbinger of doom.

[Jules Santana]

Right?

[David Lee Corbo]

Right. Where wherever he is, there's a catastrophe that happens directly after. There's something spiritual about that. Right. Whether he's manipulating what's, what's, you know, the ether around him, whether he can possess you and kind of. I like, I, I don't know, man. There's, there's a lot tied into. That's why it could also be like.

[Jules Santana]

A, a watcher thing. Right. So like, yes, just the nature of being a watcher is that you are to observe these, these moments throughout humanity's developments. I often look at like the Hat man as seemingly he's some higher ranking entity. He's not a shadow person. Those seem to just be really low level kind of creatures. But the Hat man seems to be a little bit of a bigger deal. And what does he do? Well, he almost exclusively just watches. He just watches. That's his thing. It's like I'm frozen there and this dude is just watching me. And oftentimes like Mothman is a harbinger of something to come. A lot of people associate him with a coming death in the family or something like that. And there's a lot of stories where shortly after I saw him, my uncle died. Somebody died. And I associate that with having this visitation. So I. I wonder if, because you have those two incursions, right, or those two falls, you have the fall of Lucifer and his rebellion, but you also have the fall of the Watchers, right? Am I. Am I characterizing that the right way?

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, you could look at them as both watchers, just different classes of angels. And that goes back to, you know, what I said with the seraphim, the fiery serpents, right. Inky representing the serpent, the. The Ophanim, which could be related to Anu, right? Like the. The head of all of them being one of, or maybe used to be one of God's highest angels. And then Enki's children and Enlil's children being. Being the cherubim also tying into the. The ajiji. Because when you read the Sumerian stories, it talks about the ajiji descending to the Cedar Mountains. When you look up the Cedar Mountains right there in Lebanon, exactly where Mount Hermon is. Right. That's another similarity that I've found. But it's like what you said earlier. They do take on these titles when Marduk was. When his kingship came into play. Now this could be because he was Inky's firstborn. It could be because, you know, of the signs in, in the sky, they kind of chose kingships by constellations. You know, what was ruling at that time in. In the heavens, everyone had a certain rank, like a rank of 10, 20, 30, 40, 50. Whoever held the highest rank, having 50, and everyone else, that archetype they carried, whether it be the God of the shepherds, God of agriculture, God of storms, it would all fall under this lead deity in the last 2,000 years, that being Marduk.

[Jules Santana]

Is this the same character as. As Zeus? Because I know that there's. Zeus is the king of storms. He seems to be one of the bigger characters in the last 2000 years. I know he's also had dad from like Sumerian mythology.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. Okay, so you link that perfectly. Hadad. Baal. Hadad or Zeus would be related to Enlil's oldest son, Ishkur, who. Yeah, yeah, that. That directly ties into that. And like I said, there's some people that relate in Leo to Zeus. You know, I relate him more to L. And I've talked about this before. Like what. What's his name start with an E? What's his name end with an L? Right, right. With etymology, we know you take certain letters out, you can either shorten it, sometimes make it longer, but it means the same thing. L is another one of those words that may also be a title. Like I said, there's. There's many interpretations of that, but yeah, man, it's. So it's not like, set in stone. Who is what now? It's. It's just my research from what I've done, I've come to these conclusions, and I have talked to other people that will either be like, well, I kind of think this. For instance, I used to think Simyaza, who is just another. A Gigi angel. Basically, when Marduk decided he wanted to go down to Earth, he was tired of living on Mars because his name, Mar. Duke Mars. Right. He. He basically was up there by himself with all these other dudes. No women. They didn't. So they couldn't have children. All his cousins and siblings are down on Earth having all these kingships and in the ancient world. And so he decides to basically be like, okay, it. I'm gonna go down there on my own accord, and I'm gonna take a wife for myself. And it said in the story in the Sumerian stories that he chooses a daughter of Enoch. Yes. And this is where you believe that.

[Jules Santana]

That'S the same Enoch?

[David Lee Corbo]

I don't know. I don't know now. But this. This led to the rest of the angels falling. They attended his wedding, basically followed him down there. There was really nothing anyone could do. And so everyone blames Marduk. And this is where you get Azazel being thrown into Dudail or whatever it's called. Sheol. Right. In the Sumerian stories, they. They tie Marduk up inside the Great Pyramid in this chamber, and there's like a. Some sort of etheric wall around him to where he can't escape. One of his brothers has to go in there and kind of set him free. You see this a lot too, in these stories. It's like they all hate each other, but they all love each other at the same time. Goes back into the dualism of it. So you're like, is this just symbolic?

[Jules Santana]

Well, like, it almost doesn't sound symbolic because that's indicative of. Of human beings too. Right. Many of us feel that way about our own families. And I'm. I'm telling you, Jules, I'm getting much more comfortable with the more research I do, coming to the conclusion that we can attribute a lot of our own behavior to these entities just because of the fractal nature of reality. The whole as above so below thing. I, I think in many ways they are like us. Even the idea that, like, they fell because they wanted the veneration, they wanted the worship. You know what I mean? It's like, yeah, that's a, that's a human quality. We've, we fall victim to the same temptations in many ways. I, I, to me, I think that only strengthens the argument that they were.

[David Lee Corbo]

Real or, dude, that's where we get these proclivities from incest and whatnot. Because, dude, they're very in incestual. Like, very like Anu has sex with his granddaughters. It's, it's disgusting. But someone said right here, yahweh was a storm God to the Canaanites.

[Jules Santana]

Oh, shout out Grapist349. Which, by the way, greatest name for a fan base ever. Dangerous retards is a banger. But grapeses. That's hilarious.

[David Lee Corbo]

My wife.

[Jules Santana]

Yeah, but Yahweh was a storm God to the Canaanites.

[David Lee Corbo]

There's nothing she can really do about it, so she has to deal with it.

[Jules Santana]

So, so do you think that that falls into the same. I mean, you have all this precedent for all these storm Gods, and they all seem to just be one link or another in the whole Zeus chain. But I'm also pretty open to the idea that these attributes and what they rule over seem to get passed like a baton.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's an archetype. It's something that's carried around. Yeah. So, you know, Bell was the Storm God at once. And when, When I talk about Marduk so much, there's, there's an episode of the confessionals that I cannot find to save my life. It's the episode where it's, it's, it's a guy, he's. He's a pastor, and there is a young girl whose mother is putting her up for a sacrifice in a coven. And he plays the phone call on the episode where he's talking to this girl and she's crying, and yet this other voice comes out of it and starts to talk to him. I don't know if y'all know which.

[Jules Santana]

One I'm talking about, actually doesn't sound familiar. And I, I've been watching him for a while, but, but go on.

[David Lee Corbo]

When he's talking to the mother, she's like, there's nothing you can do to save her. Absolutely nothing. Her soul belongs to us. Blah, blah, blah, all this stuff. And then he goes, well, you don't think that I know about. He names a couple deities, and then he says, marduk. And she goes, you can't say that name. I heard that in my. Like, I got chills all over my body, and I'm like, holy. There is something to that. Now, like I said, went by many names, but the story of him is the story of the adversary. But he chose to do the things he did, right? Like, he. He had free will, just like all humans. And so you can't really, like. I don't know. I kind of got at first, like, listening to all the ancient alien stuff. And I do think to a point, it is a deception when you venerate these. These entities as you kind of look up to them in some way, it's like, there's really no reason to look up to them. Right. They all had this kind of fallen. This. This fallen spirit that they all possessed. And you see that with them killing their own siblings, which I. I don't think. I mean, that's probably one of the lowest forms of evil you could possibly go to. Right, Right. That's harming a child. Yeah, yeah. And. And killing someone who is part of your family, someone that you love, that you have, if anything, a soul tie to. Right? Now, if an individual wants to break that soul tie, I guess that's on them, because, you know, you come from the same womb, the same maternal spirit. And when I say spirit, I just mean, like, we're all. We know. We're all made of energy, right? And so. And that's. That's another thing. When I looked at. I'm like, okay, so let's say that our physical bodies were created. Now, just like, humor me for a second. They were created by Enki and Thoth and Inky sister Ninmah. That doesn't mean they created us. Our spirit, our eternal flame, what you would call in, like, the esoteric and. And stuff comes from the Creator.

[Jules Santana]

Yeah, right.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Jules Santana]

Yeah, that's a great point, actually. I. I love that, because even if through some series of events, you know, it was exposed one way or another, that they had a hand in it, and I don't think that's the case. But it is clear that, like, God is willing to allow major decisions to be influenced by a plethora of other entities, whether it's archangels or human beings.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right?

[Jules Santana]

We've seen that. We've talked about it on the show, that humans can petition God and sway his decision one way or Another, the idea that they would have had a hand, because it seems that God allows many different aspects of his own creation to have a hand in furthering it does not mean that they created our eternal soul. And, and what are we at the end of the day? A fleshy vehicle or a soul.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right. And. And there's some, like, when you mentioned the Shadow man earlier, there's theories of that being like a remnant of our shadow selves being left here when we die. Are. And this goes into like, credo mutwa and some other stuff that a lot of people don't probably agree with, but they're being like we have two aspects to our soul. One being one kind of ascending to a higher plane, a heaven, you could call it when we die. And then the other one kind of being stagnant here on Earth as some kind of like, residual energy or something.

[Jules Santana]

Echo.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yes, yes. And people call this shit New age, right? Dude, like. And I'm like, look, anything new age had to stem from somewhere. All occultists do is take knowledge and subvert it. Right? It's the same thing with numbers. A lot of these numbers. It's the intention on how you use it. We are taught to fear all of it, right. So we don't even question it. We don't look into it. We. We just stay ignorant of it. And people, they're scared of what they don't know. Right. And this has to do.

[Jules Santana]

You know, I look at that pretty often because it's not lost on me that these things are seemingly effective and powerful. All these different systems, these teachings, whether it's numerology or astrology or what have you. And I do believe that these are just laws and, and sort of the fabric of the reality that we inhabit. And these are different ways to like, manipulate it, but.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right.

[Jules Santana]

I don't think that these entities necessarily have the ability to com. Commission these systems without being commissioned by God. I don't think that they can, through their own will, create something that didn't exist, but they can pervert it and.

[David Lee Corbo]

Invert it, manipulate it. Yeah, yeah.

[Jules Santana]

And I think that with Jesus there were so many things that were accomplished by his coming and his death and his resurrection. And one of them was that these systems are real, but they've become so muddied, and I think there's no unpacking them. You know what I mean? So, like, I always caution people against looking into these sort of things, but I think that if you were to. You would stand the best chance as a believer in Jesus Christ, because It just seems to me that genetically things got so muddled, system wise, things got so muddled and we were to the point where so much was corrupted that we needed a fix all solution. And I think Jesus Christ was that fix all solution. So what we're seeing now is like, yeah, these things are still out there. These systems weren't made to go away. We just needed something that can kind of part those waters. Right. Because it was so dense and so murky, we just couldn't get through it. And so in very many ways, Jesus is a. A lifeline. Right? It's like throwing a. A flotation device to a drowning person. But that ocean is still there.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. Christ saved my life. I. I would not be here. I wouldn't be talking to y'all right now if it wasn't for the Holy Spirit. And this is some other theory I have. When you look into the ancient past, you see a lot of rebirth symbolism, a lot of rebirth rituals taking place, even with the Anunnaki. Who was I talking about earlier? Inky's youngest, Dumuzi or Tammuz.

[Jules Santana]

You say Lil Boozy?

[David Lee Corbo]

Yes, yes. Little Mozzie. He. He drowns. He was the first Anunnaki death on earth. What's up?

[Jules Santana]

I said he couldn't swim. Okay, so didn't you say some of them were black from South Africa?

[David Lee Corbo]

Yes, yes, yes, yes. And he may have been one of those Inky side, right? Or maybe black and Enlil side may have been white.

[Jules Santana]

Right.

[David Lee Corbo]

Who knows? But he basically was framed for a crime against his sister, which was done. This was done by Marduk. Like he somehow used. And this is where I think they used to use magic as well. He somehow, like, infiltrated his dreams, got him drunk, and he ended up thinking that he sexually assaulted his sister. He goes on the run and pretty much like in hide it, like very much distress, I guess you could say. Falls off a cliff and drowns. Damn. And yeah, yeah. And then. And he was the lover of Inanna, his. His cousin. Right. And which after that, she goes crazy and she becomes this like, sex goddess having sex with men, looking for her lost lover. This is where the descent of Inanna and the Necronomicon comes from. Goes down to look for Dumuzi. That's also in Norse mythology where the death of. Of Balder comes from. Right? Yeah. Odin's favorite and youngest son.

[Jules Santana]

Yep.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, yeah. Again with the one eye symbolism. You get that with Horus.

[Jules Santana]

And that's interesting too, because isn't. I don't know if this is true, I'm just going off a Disney movie here, but, like, you know, and I don't imagine they fabricated this. This has to come from some sort of mythology. Hercules would have also delved into the underworld to rescue his love. You know, it was. It was the same thing. He delves into the sort of this. This bat of. Or this batch of souls that is in Hades and. And then rescues his. That. That sort of thing. I was actually just talking about that because that's also on its face, a very distilled version of the hero's journey. Right. When you have Hercules and. And he leaves the safety of his home to pursue and find, you know, where it is that he fits in in the world and ends up becoming a hero. Is the fool. He is a goofy tard in the. In the film, and then ends up, you know, fighting hydras, dragons, creatures, all these things. Becomes the hero, delves into the underworld to get the treasure. The treasure is his love. He then has the opportunity to go elsewhere, to Olympus, but decides not to and returns back home, the hero with his new. With his new wife. But that, that element within mythology of, of delving into the underworld. Of course, Jordan Peterson would reduce it to analogy, but I was gonna say. Yeah, I. I don't. I don't know. It just doesn't. To me, there's a real spiritual aspect to that.

[David Lee Corbo]

Absolutely. But it also could kind of represent like, the dark night of the soul. Right. Like going through something very, very dark in order to get to this, like, place of enlightenment. Right. Like I said, many ways to look at that. But Heracles is very closely related to Gilgamesh. Yeah. With Gilgamesh going and trying to find the elixir of life. Reading Utnapishtim, Noah, and he, like, meets him. It's described, like, inside the earth. Honestly, that's. That's how I interpret it. But what you had said earlier is like, yeah, dude, these. Angel. Right. Angel means messenger in Greek, basically came down to help us, to guide us, and they just took advantage of it. So when you do talk about, like, the fallen nature of these. These entities. Absolutely. I think that is where we get all our proclivities from. But with the baptism stuff. So you. I'm sure you've heard about before Christ or like with. With John the Baptist. There's some aspects to it that talks about. The first baptisms were basically like, you were drowned, you died, and then you were resuscitated back to life.

[Jules Santana]

That kind of a little bit. Look, hear me out. As far as the, the symbolism of being washed in your. Of your sins and emerging anew in Christ, I have a lot of respect if you're that hardcore. If you just go in 20, 25, you're like, hold me under till I stop moving.

[Top Lobster]

That's like a Game of Thrones thing. The Greyjoys would do that. I don't know if it was in the book or if it was.

[Jules Santana]

Yeah, dude.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. I didn't even think about that. But. So when you look at Osiris and you, you, you look at Tammuz, because Osiris drowns too, right? You see all these, all these rituals. Drowning in water, can't be reborn or they're reborn through, like, Osiris is reborn through Horus. Right on the horizon. The Horus rising, dude, it's like Christ came and basically said, like, hey, you don't have to die anymore. You can be reborn through me.

[Jules Santana]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's just one way to look at it.

[Jules Santana]

I, I almost look at that like, ancient man. I mean, we have it so good now that we have this clear, easy pathway. Ancient man was lost in the sauce, dude, and had to do some real harrowing to figure out anything spiritually, you know what I mean? They're. They're sacrificing animals. God is speaking to them, telling them to sacrifice their, their firstborn and then being like, okay, you're good. Don't do it. You can kill that goat over there. Like, everything was a lot harder, but.

[Top Lobster]

They probably had a lot more freedom than us. Like, I mean, I would agree with that. Think about the life of the ancient man. You know, Abraham was a rich man, but he lived in a tent. And they just kind of moved around.

[David Lee Corbo]

I sometimes long for that dude. Like, just to live in such simpler times. Yeah, our shit is like, explain it.

[Top Lobster]

You know, most of us are stuck in a 9 to 5 weird hell trap to pay for pedophiles to continue to exist.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, it's debt slave.

[Top Lobster]

Hey, listen, man. I mean, so in a way, like, we do have it a lot easier where we just be like, hey, Jesus, help us. But like, I'm stuck at a desk, you know, I'm stuck at a cubicle. I'm. It's a trade off.

[Jules Santana]

Well, I think back in the day too, it was a lot more obvious to them that they were in a spiritual realm. Right. Given everything that we've learned, it seems like the further back in time, whether or not you're taking the ED maybe pov where it's like the speed of light is slowing down. It used to be faster, which means in. In a bunch of different ways that we were able to perceive things a lot more. We were heartier. We were more in tune with God, and we were more in tune with the spiritual realm. It would have been obvious back then. It's kind of. It's really a challenge that we find ourselves in where it's like, what if we stripped the spirituality from their lives and whatever little notion there is left where you detect it, well, let's just inundate them with so much monotony and that they can't even see through it to notice it. Will they then still be able to discern that there is a spiritual realm? And then it's an uphill battle from there to decipher what we're talking about here on this show, which is like, how many different entities that previously. You know, I don't know how long ago I wouldn't have even really felt as though they were connected. I had my ideas, you know, Like, I used to look at the concept of, like, the 13 crystal skulls and like, what if they were associated with the.

[David Lee Corbo]

The.

[Jules Santana]

The Greek gods and. And all these different things? So I started to, like, piece some stuff together, but it was nowhere near what it is now. Only. Only in recent years am I making these levels of connections. It's like, man, yeah. Even if you can detect that there's a spiritual realm, good luck parsing it out.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. And that's. That's funny you say that about all the crystal skulls, because then you have the 12 lost tribes of. Of Israel and the 13th one, right. And then the families of Atlantis as, as, as well, which predates ancient Kemet or ancient Egypt, is. Is where these same beings were said to have been priests. So it's like, did they slowly fall over time living here on Earth? You know, they. They were subjected to this physical reality, which, I mean, they more or less chose for themselves, but at. At the same time. And I mean, there's. There's many ways to look at it because we're told so many different things, and the truth is usually somewhere in the middle.

[Jules Santana]

Right?

[David Lee Corbo]

So, yeah, I. I just stay kind of researching, dude. I don't really subscribe to any. I just know that, you know, I was saved by the Holy Spirit and I continue to. My. My life isn't what it used to be, man. Like, I. I used to be a train wreck, bro. Like, I. I'm sure y'all may have have been there yourselves, but there you. Like I said earlier, you can't really deny that, regardless of what people tell you, like, oh, Jesus was a Jew. And it's like, who wasn't a Jew at that time? Right, right. Who was born? Like, I don't know, there's, there's a lot to get to with that. But.

[Jules Santana]

Well, Owen Benjamin has a great way of dispelling that. And, and this is in my. He probably doesn't think so, but I recognize it as, as just this simple brilliance that he had in this moment of asking a question. When people say like, Jesus was a Jew and so you're just falling for like more Jew psyops. It's like, well, what do we mean by that? Is Jesus out here adv. Predatory loans? Is he owning a pornography company? Is he convincing you to debase yourself morally? You know what I mean? It's like, that's none of what Jesus Christ's message was. And so what use is it then to, you know, compare him to the modern day boogie Jew that rules your life in so many different ways? It's like it's not the same thing at all. So the language is stupid, it's a useless vocabulary word and it's not at all applicable here. So, yeah, yeah, I mean, that's not, that's not the, the same thing. And something just popped into my head too. It's like, you know, we were talking about the hero's journey and, and obviously like Lord of the Rings is a great representation of this. So is Harry Potter. Harry Potter is a good way. And, and at the end, what you notice about those two films is like, and, and even Hercules, when they get there, they turn it down. And why is that so important to note at the end of the hero's journey? It's like, once you get there, you have the ring. We'll cast the ring away when you get there. In Harry Potter, he has the Elder Wand and what does he do? He snaps it in half and he tosses it off of a cliff. Hercules has the opportunity to join the Olympians and instead he chooses a mortal life. Even though there's all this power at his fingertips, he chooses to die with this, with this mortal woman. And it's like absolute power corrupts absolutely. If the angels couldn't handle it, what makes you think you can handle it? So really the, the true romance at the end of the hero's journey is to get it but cast it away because it's not for you. Absolute power is for God. We're not designed to be able, not even angels are designed to be able to, you know, outlast that sort of temptation.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. And when. I mean, that who wasn't a Jew back then, I mean, in that region where it said that Christ lived like he had gentiles, but I mean, the. The stories and the lineage he came from, I mean, undoubtedly was Jewish. Now, like I said, there's. There's people that think that we've been lied to about that and that, you know, he. He was a white European man. I don't know. Right. I don't know. But there's. That's the physical aspect of it. Right. The real, the real connection you'll get is the spiritual connection. That's. That's just what I've encountered in my life and.

[Jules Santana]

Right.

[David Lee Corbo]

Something that I don't really question, you know? Well, even texts and stories have been missed. Oh, not missed. They have been re. Translated, reinterpreted through. And we have how many denominations of Christianity?

[Jules Santana]

I don't know. It's like thousands. Is it thousands?

[David Lee Corbo]

Thousands. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so live in the spirit. Right. Not in the flesh.

[Jules Santana]

Right. I guess you could say, look, we're at the hour and 50 mark. I think it's a good place to. To land it, but we tried to unpack something very difficult here, and this is a fantastic conversation. I know people are going to love this, but there's so much left on the table. We'd love to have you back in the future because some of these ideas, once you lay out the foundational work for them, they deserve more zeroed in analysis. And I'm hoping that we could do some of that in the future. But this is a great way to introduce you to. To our audience to the dangerous retards, which, by the way, there's a tremendous amount of overlap already. But if you can, Jules, just one more time, tell everybody where they can find your work.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, guys, Twitter. Gray Pill pod. I'm on Instagram as well, but I don't use it too much.

[Top Lobster]

It's the wrong. It's the wrong Instagram.

[David Lee Corbo]

I'm on rumble, YouTube, Spotify, Apple podcast. Also patreon. Patreon.com Gray Pilled podcast. Trying to get some merch put out soon. Working on that. Some. Some new logos and stuff. A lot, A lot of. A lot of good stuff coming here in the future, guys. So. Yeah, yeah.

[Jules Santana]

Very cool, guys.

[David Lee Corbo]

Thanks for having me on, dude.

[Jules Santana]

No, of course, of course. This should have happened before, but, you know, we just got caught up in so much momentum.

[David Lee Corbo]

I know. Out here.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Jules Santana]

So it's just not easy. But we're actually going to be doing a show in two hours with Paranoid. So small. Small world. Very incestual. Very endly. And kill. Or.

[David Lee Corbo]

Or.

[Jules Santana]

And little so. But, guys, if you do enjoy what you heard here, go and support Jules over in the great Pill podcast. If I'm not mistaken, we're actually releasing one of your episodes on our Sunday share this coming Sunday. So maybe you guys will enjoy that and you now know where to find them. Thank you, Jules. I really appreciate you. You coming on.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, man. Thank you all. Thank you all again. Thank y'all. This. Y'all are a big influence in me. Me podcasting. You know, been watching y'all since I started. You know, it's. It's crazy how you can. I don't know, you kind of get put into this world and all of a sudden you're doing stuff with people that you, you know, you looked up to or that inspired you to do the same thing. So thank you all, man.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, man, I feel the same exact way. That's happened to us a bunch of times already. But, yeah, just keep going and we're going to have you back on and you're ready. You're already, like, linked in with everybody, so Jules is here to stay. Follow his show, and until next time, don't forget to obey, submit, and comply. See you later, guys.

[David Lee Corbo]

The greatest hypnotist on planet Earth is a oblong box in the corner of the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. You can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see to go, because they'll lack in the face of an explanation that portrays the bigger picture of what's happened. And they have.