117: Crossing the Abyss w/ The Occult Rejects

Summary

Nephilim Death Squad - Episode 117: Crossing the Abyss with The Occult Rejects

Release Date: February 7, 2025

Hosts: David Lee Corbo (AKA Raven) and Top Lobsta Productions

Guest: Nick from The Occult Rejects Podcast

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Introduction

In Episode 117 of Nephilim Death Squad, hosts David Lee Corbo and Top Lobsta invite Nick from The Occult Rejects to delve deep into the realms of occultism, magic, and the intricate interplay between fear and spiritual awakening. The conversation weaves through personal experiences, symbolic interpretations, and the influence of modern events on our perception of the spiritual and physical worlds.

Guest Background: Nick’s Journey into the Occult

Nick begins by sharing his introduction to occultism, tracing his journey back to his youth in New York. Initially engrossed in conspiracy theories and influenced by prominent occult figures like Michael Tassari, David Icke, and Jordan Maxwell, Nick's curiosity led him to explore various magical practices.

Nick (04:49): "I started off in occultism... just for me. Not for nothing, like I'm learning all this stuff about these orders and... I still don't know what magic is."

His quest for understanding magic led him to the Ordo Templi Orientis (O.T.O.), specifically the Tehuti Lodge in New York. Despite several attempts to attend Gnostic Masses, his engagement with the group didn’t solidify until several years later, which ultimately influenced his decision to part ways with the organization.

The Gnostic Mass and Symbolism of the Eye

A significant portion of the discussion revolves around the Gnostic Mass, a central ritual in the O.T.O., and its deep symbolic elements, particularly the symbolism associated with the human eye.

Nick (12:13): "It's basically like the O.T.O.'s version of church... it shows the magician crossing the abyss and coming back and telling people the experience."

Nick explains how the symbolism within the Mass, such as the depiction of the eye, ties into occult teachings and deeper metaphysical concepts.

Nick (12:34): "Look at the eyeball and start looking at certain parts of it... you'll start to see sigils and occult symbolism."

The Pineal Gland and Magical Experience

The conversation delves into the role of the pineal gland in magical experiences. Nick describes his own practices involving meditation and manipulation of the pineal gland to facilitate magical experiences, likening these acts to forms of temporary suicide where the soul separates from the body.

Nick (37:56): "To have a magical experience, you're going to kind of like your soul's gonna slip out of your body... that's the ultimate sacrifice."

David Lee Corbo expands on this by relating it to concepts like ego death and the hero's journey, emphasizing the necessity of overcoming fear to achieve spiritual growth.

David Lee Corbo (46:53): "Fear is the thing that's going to stop you... you're battling with fear constantly."

Fear as a Barrier to Spiritual Awakening

Both hosts agree that fear is a significant barrier preventing individuals from embarking on their spiritual journeys. They discuss how fear manifests in daily life and the importance of overcoming it to achieve deeper understanding and enlightenment.

David Lee Corbo (44:22): "Fear is the killer... it's about your ability to control the scenario, the fear of the unknown."

Nick (74:07): "Fear is the killer... If you hold onto fear, it keeps you from taking the next step in any journey."

Integration of Modern Events and Symbolism

The discussion shifts towards interpreting modern events through an occult lens. The hosts analyze political maneuvers, media events, and even popular culture references as manifestations of deeper, symbolic rituals aimed at societal manipulation.

David Lee Corbo (105:41): "This is theater... they're creating scenarios and slipping characters in for us to clamor around."

Nick (83:34): "I think a lot of what's out there is just a reflection of the inside of our eyeball."

They explore how events like helicopter crashes, political actions, and media portrayals are imbued with symbolic meanings that align with ancient occult principles.

The Orphic Egg and Sacred Geometry

A recurring theme is the Orphic Egg and its significance in various mythologies and modern interpretations. The hosts discuss its correlation with the human eye, sacred geometry, and its representation in current UFO and UAP disclosures.

David Lee Corbo (87:14): "The Orphic Egg is at the center of creation mythos of many ancient religions... it's like the egg cracks open and creates earth."

Nick (89:59): "These rituals... spinning in a circle... it's like the pupil spinning closed and sucking light into the back of my head."

The conversation highlights how sacred symbols like the egg and the eye are not just metaphors but are deeply interconnected with human physiology and spiritual practices.

The Role of Light in Spiritual Communication

The hosts delve into the concept of light as a medium of spiritual communication and its relationship with the pineal gland. They speculate on how the speed of light affects cellular communication and humanity's spiritual connection.

Nick (77:21): "We are like biological AI, solar powered... the optic nerve turns light into electricity."

David Lee Corbo (84:47): "If the speed of light is slowing down, we're getting further away from God... harder for the spiritual realm to access us."

Conclusion: Navigating Spiritual Complexity

As the episode draws to a close, the hosts reflect on the complexity of spiritual teachings and the importance of maintaining a balance between understanding ancient wisdom and integrating it with contemporary life. They caution listeners against oversimplifying or dismissing occult principles, emphasizing the need for personal exploration and discernment.

David Lee Corbo (102:34): "This is what spirituality is about... we have to unpack these layers ourselves."

Nick (112:36): "We are here... to... fix ourselves, not the world around us."

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Notable Quotes

• Nick (37:56): "To have a magical experience, you're going to kind of like your soul's gonna slip out of your body... that's the ultimate sacrifice."

• David Lee Corbo (46:53): "Fear is the thing that's going to stop you... you're battling with fear constantly."

• Nick (74:07): "Fear is the killer... If you hold onto fear, it keeps you from taking the next step in any journey."

• David Lee Corbo (105:41): "This is theater... they're creating scenarios and slipping characters in for us to clamor around."

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Final Thoughts

Episode 117 of Nephilim Death Squad offers listeners a profound exploration of occult practices, the symbolism embedded in human anatomy, and the pervasive influence of fear in hindering spiritual progress. Through the insightful dialogue between David Lee Corbo, Top Lobsta, and guest Nick, the episode encourages a deeper understanding of the spiritual realm and the importance of personal growth in navigating the complexities of modern existence.

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Transcript

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[Nick]

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[David Lee Corbo]

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[Top Lobster]

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[David Lee Corbo]

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[Nick]

Control us now when no one's talking.

[David Lee Corbo]

About how they made us and everybody's just walking around. Wake up to a dead in the grave final.

[Nick]

It's too late.

[David Lee Corbo]

We need to be ready to raise up.

[Nick]

Welcome to the end of the.

[David Lee Corbo]

Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad. I am David Lee Corbo, AKA the Raven, that is Top Lobster, the father of disinformation. Before we get into today's guest, I would just like to remind all of our live viewers that this is a 30 minute preview only. Sometime around the 30 minute mark, we're going live exclusively to patreon.com backslash David.

[Top Lobster]

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[David Lee Corbo]

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[David Lee Corbo]

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If you didn't get it, it's because you're retarded and that's your fault. Joining us today is Nick of the Occult Rejects podcast. Nick, if you would. I'm sorry. He said I was too stiff, so I had to do a button press.

[Nick]

That was awesome.

[David Lee Corbo]

Nick, if you could, for the audience who might not be familiar with you, let them know where they could find your work.

[Nick]

Thank you so much. I have the Occult Rejects podcast that is available on Bitchute Rumble YouTube and then all major podcasts. And I also have coltresearchinstitute.org which is a, you know, stuff about, you know, the occultism and tons of different topics and tons of different contributors. So definitely check that out. Thank you.

[Top Lobster]

Nice. Yeah, I'm definitely going to comb through this, this website. I did take a peek at it when, when we were. We were talking and I was like, oh, this seems like a good information hub here. So definitely a useful tool for what we're going to be, because in the show here, we, we. The show is basically us stumbling through things that we're interested, but also creating this weird little roadmap as we figure out whatever, whatever existence and plane that we're on or how this, how this whole thing works. So this, this website, it looks like it could be a pretty useful tool.

[David Lee Corbo]

You know, I want to say on that note, Top. Top is somebody who really enjoys, like, you know, web design and like, branding and things of that nature. And he always. And you know, if he doesn't like your. This is. Guys, go back and listen to previous epis. If he doesn't like it, he won't say. He'll just say, hey, go there and support it. Right? That's what he does. It's like, if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. He goes, hey, just go there and support it. But he likes Nick's website, so that's nice.

[Nick]

Thank you. Awesome. Awesome. Thank you. I know what you mean too, because I, I do the same thing. Yeah, go check out their amazing work. Go check out their work.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. And in your mind you're like, this is poorly laid out, homie.

[Top Lobster]

When is this? How much time do we have left in this episode?

[David Lee Corbo]

That's what he starts doing as soon as he sees their website. Nick. We were having a fascinating conversation. Well, I didn't want to have it before the show started because whenever people start saying interesting things, I'm like, hold on, please. Save it for the show. But you, you were in the, in the OTO for, for how. How long did you say?

[Top Lobster]

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[David Lee Corbo]

I fucking want to know, dude. I want to get straight into it.

[Nick]

Five to six years.

[David Lee Corbo]

About five to six years. That's incredible. I was thinking that since you have that. Where are you right now, Nick? What state?

[Nick]

North Carolina. I was originally in New York when I first started podcasting. Now I'm in North Carolina, so.

[David Lee Corbo]

So we do a semi annual event called Bohemian Grove. I think you need to launch a semi Annual event called the Bro To. And that way we can have crossover events. You know, Brove meets the Bro To.

[Nick]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like our. Our annual Cremation of Care.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yes, yes. I'm down for it. Doesn't have to be a mock sacrifice. We can.

[Nick]

Yeah. Do a real one.

[David Lee Corbo]

We'll just pick a member of the audience, a member of the weakest link.

[Top Lobster]

Where's Emily? Where's Emily at? In the chat? There she goes.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Nick]

God bless the most annoying person in chat. Let's use that. Who's the one who scares everybody away? Come here.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, yeah. We had a couple of those guys. One of them shout out to Leon. He's out there somewhere. He makes a lot of weird videos about our content, but he's like 80 years old and he wears no shirts that. He's got really long nipples. Like, really long nipples. It's. It's amazing. The people that, you know, you. You kind of cultivate. So. So, Nick, I don't know how to start this. This conversation. I mean, there's so much that I want to know about the oto. And let's.

[Top Lobster]

Let's start first off. How do you get into this? Like.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yes.

[Top Lobster]

How does your life develop? You're a kid in New York. How the hell do you get into the oto?

[Nick]

Believe it or not, I mean, as simple as it was, I was. You know, again, I started off with conspiracies. I was much into conspiracies. And I listened to, like, a lot of people that kind of are heavy into occultism, like Michael Tassari and David Ike, Jordan Maxwell. Like, I started off in 2010 with people like that. So, you know, I was very much into occultism. So, like, I kind of got into that when I was kind of getting into conspiracies and stuff. And at one point, I was just, like, just for me. Not for nothing, like, I'm learning all this stuff about these orders and. But I still don't know what magic is. So I literally just, like, Googled, like, gold. First I looked up golden dawn, because, honestly, my OTO wasn't the first choice, but I looked that up. There wasn't anything near me, and I googled the, you know, Oto Lodge, and literally there was one 20 minutes away from me. When I was. When I was living in Queens, there was one in Sunnyside. I don't know if you know where that is.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Nick]

And I was in. God, where was. I forgot that. I already forgot. The town I was in. I was, like, 20 minutes away. So I was Like, I was like, all right, I guess. I mean, this is convenient. So I'll go check it out. And these places, believe it or not, if you look for them, they are not hard to find. You will find, like, either they'll have a website or the OTO has like, you know, its own actual website. And you can go and it'll show you the locations. It will give you websites, they have any. So you can check out their calendar. And that's what I did with Tehuti Lodge in New York. I checked, I went, I saw that they were near me. I checked out the calendar and they had a Gnostic Mass coming up. I think they have one, like every weekend. But there was one coming up in a few weeks that I was like, oh, I'll be around for that. I'll check it out. And I emailed them and told them that I was interested in coming to the Gnostic Mass. And they said on that day, just email us again and we'll let you know what's up. Come here. We'll give you directions and everything in the day of it. I emailed them and they, you know, they gave me directions from all these different points, wherever I could be coming from, the address, and I went, and she was there five, five to six years after the fact.

[David Lee Corbo]

So whatever happened in those in that first instance, that. That hooked you for the next five to six years.

[Nick]

What's interesting about that is like, yeah, yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, I mean, I drive around like yesterday I was out with my wife and, you know, we just kind of jokingly pointed out, like, oh, there's a Masonic lodge, like, as you pass by. I admittedly, I don't think I've ever passed by anything other than a Masonic lodge that caught my eye. I. I never even realized if they are out and about because we're from the, you know, similar area. I was in New Jersey. I can't recall ever seeing these things. Maybe it just wasn't on my radar. Maybe what they were.

[Nick]

Then I started noticing them, I guess because I was looking for him maybe. I don't know.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's like when you drive the red Kia, then you see the red Kia.

[Nick]

Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know what you're saying with the maze. I never really noticed any of that stuff until I started getting into it.

[David Lee Corbo]

So, so what happens then when they. Because it's. This is a Gnostic mass. Is that used? So, so what does that look like?

[Nick]

I mean, you can go watch it on YouTube. There is one, I think, on Vimeo. That's a little bit more on par because it will show the nudity of what happens because there is a nudity in it.

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But it's basically like the oto's version of church, I guess, in a sense. And it kind of shows you, I guess the magician crossing the abyss and coming back and telling people the experience. It's basically kind of what my opinion, what it shows. I I also think it gets into like deep symbolism. I think it even explains like how the eyeball works and all that.

[David Lee Corbo]

Interesting. Yeah, interesting. What do you mean by that it explains how the eyeball works?

[Nick]

Well, that's something. Actually I should maybe make this preface this now just to get it over with because I do like to try to put this out there. If people are really interested in the occult and some of the deepest secrets of secrets. Learn exactly how the eyeball works. Look at the eyeball and start looking at certain parts of it. Especially the zonuls is in the optic nerve, the hyloid canal and the lens and you'll start to see sigils and occult symbolism. And another opinion of mine, some of the deepest secrets of secrets in occultism is the experience of death, the feelings and the visions you will see when it happens. Those are some of the deepest things I think is in the occult and I do think in the the gnostic mass and I think in their initiations I was shown a lot of eyeball symbols, right?

[Top Lobster]

What I what I understand about the eyeball, I mean I'm not a ophthalmologist or anything, but I did have Lasik surgery so I like I sort of, like, I have a cursory understanding of why my vision was bad. Like, there's a material built up in my eyeball somewhere around my eyeball, and the light coming in is not able to refract and, and output correctly, which is why I saw a blurry. And after they did the LASIK surgery, obviously they removed that like plaque or whatever kind of decay that's on my eye. And Now I have 2030 vision or whatever it is.

[Nick]

I'm wondering if that was like your aura. Cirotics. I know we build up crystals around that too.

[Top Lobster]

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[Nick]

I don't know about that stuff, but.

[Top Lobster]

Is there, is there any aspect of like light coming in and light being reflected as like a. Is that like a gnostic process?

[Nick]

Good. Yeah. I would even say if you were to go look at how light starts to reflect off your eyeball, you'll see the Sigil of Lucifer. You'll see the.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, I've seen that.

[Nick]

You'll see that. You'll see that. That's exactly how light reflects off of your lens.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, I know what you're talking about. I've seen this before. The Sigil of Lucifer.

[Nick]

And then light, your eyeball even projects out six feet.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, that's interesting.

[Nick]

Project out six feet from your eyes. It's a relationship between what's out there and there's a lot going on for your eyes, an extension of your brain. It's all one part.

[Top Lobster]

Technically, with the, with the 6ft thing now. I mean, we're all from New York, so we're familiar with the stay six feet apart. What do you, what do you make with that?

[Nick]

Listen, when they said six feet apart and they started making people wear masks and like, I don't know, I mean, you looked at my logo. I was wearing a hood without a mouthpiece on it. You know, just to me, I was like, this seems very occult and ritualistic. That's what I thought is six feet. I mean, that's. It's kind of expected to have a 6-9ft circle when you're doing ritual work. So now you're telling me to cover my mouth like I would with regularly with my hood and not have somebody within six feet of me. It sounds like I'm doing a ritual. Whoa.

[Top Lobster]

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[David Lee Corbo]

Show this real quick on screen. And, and Nick, if you could tell me if this is what you were talking about right here. Yes, that's it. Right.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

This is like beyond. Go ahead.

[Nick]

Yeah, no, no, that's it? That's great. I love that you even picked up the other picture with it.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. But I mean this is something that as a retard, this is well beyond my grasp of understanding.

[Top Lobster]

Pointing to the pineal gland.

[Nick]

The pineal gland is my opinion what you got to crack open to have a magical experience.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's interesting. So, so these are okay on this show we believe in much of the biblical narrative, but I don't discount Gnosticism and, and much of the New age movement, although that's kind of a misnomer. Right. This idea that it's new aged at all. It's really the, this, these ancient teachings that are being rehashed probably you know, in, in the 2000s. But when I, when I see what these teachings have to offer, I recognize a lot of it as being valid. But there are a lot of people within the space that then use these things and maybe this is a bit of a hard hitting question for you, but there are a lot of people within the space that use these things to discount much of the biblical narrative. But I don't think that it, it does. Instead, what I see more beautiful. Yeah, I, I see that it's fractal in nature and that these elements, they, they repeat themselves, you know, within our own biology, but they also repeat themselves on a microscopic level all the way up to the macro.

[Nick]

If we, if God is a part of us, I mean it's going to be reflected within us. So I do think that's all part of the beauty of showing you so.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, let me ask you this then. When it comes to these teachings, my, my contention with them is they're valid. They're incredibly powerful because they have to do with understanding the very makeup of this realm that we inhabit. And by nature of understanding the realm that we inhabit, it then gives us the ability potentially to manipulate the realm that we inhabit, which becomes problematic because of the corruptive or corrosive nature of power on an individual. And so it seems to me that these teachings themselves aren't inherently bad. It's just twofold, I would say. Number one, where did these teachings come from? It often seems that the, the methodologies that we receive in regards to the Gnostic teachings or the, you know, hermetic principles and things like that we're given.

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[David Lee Corbo]

By some deity they can often be attributed to have been been taught by a spirit channeling some sort of entity, you know, revealed this thing to somebody in a ceremony. And then the other part of it is that absolute power corrupts absolutely. So what ends up happening is these people recognize this as being powerful.

[Nick]

Yes.

[David Lee Corbo]

And then they go on to, to utilize it to their own benefit to the detriment of other people.

[Nick]

Yes. Totally agree with you sir. I agree with you. In my experience, after I finally had a magical experience, I will say for me that's when the judgment really comes in. For me. Like you know how they say, like oh, you know, you get judged by God, whatever. Like for me I, if I've had, literally have had an experience with God, which is what I believe I did. I'll be totally honest with you. Whenever I've had a magical experience and this is something that is probably for me, it's, it was one of the reasons why I continued to do it and I'm sure it's why pieces of continue to do it. When you open up your eyes, you're going to know you never knew before. It sounds crazy and sounds silly. It's very much like the Matrix, but you're not actually going to know Kung Fu. But you know, Neo would wake up and be like, I know Kung fu now. It's very much like you will understand things you did not understand before. And my opinion, like if I take that gift from God and then start manipulating people to better myself and make other people dumb and just suck money out of their pockets. That is black magic. And in my opinion, I'm not doing what I'm supposed to be doing with the gift that was just given. You know, I should be inspiring other people to have their own experience. That's about it. Yeah. Tell people my experience and say you can have this experience and you can take off the handcuffs as well. Like I said, sci fi stories and you know, whatever fairy tales.

[Top Lobster]

Let's, let's get into your experience because now I'm, I'm interested to hear like what, what happened, how long it started off? Man, start wherever you think you need to.

[Nick]

You know, this was near the ending of my experience with I guess like the OTO as well and you know, being part of that for the most part, you know, through, to try to like just get through this whole time and that to get specific, I will say there was a lot of different reasons or beliefs that I had about magic or why I was even practicing it. It was never really to actually ever do anything bad to anybody else. It was always really just to help change myself or kind of have like a GPS to get where I want to go and stay out of the matrix as, as I can. At some point I did start to have kind of like this is just my opinion. My belief is that like if you're trying to change anything in this world to fit where you want to go, it's technically kind of black magic because I'm gonna have to go against someone's will or something's will to make that happen. I'm gonna have to start bending things to my will in this reality, this world. And I started getting much more deeper into kind of working on myself and just having an experience with, with God and started doing a lot more like shadow work or like self inventory, a lot of theurgy, like praying and then, you know, just invoking God, asking God for help, just doing a lot of prayer and meditation and like mantras kind of. And once that's, I started doing that, I will have to say I started having kind of like breakthroughs in magic and, or just felt like there's something there, there's something was going on.

[Top Lobster]

When you say God, who are you talking about?

[Nick]

I guess just it's something that's created everything, Everything that you know, we came, we came from, from that, you know, the. All right. I really, I, I, it's kind of hard for me to really put any words on God.

[David Lee Corbo]

Have you ever had any imagery associated with them, Nick?

[Nick]

No. I mean, no, not really. No. I mean I sometimes I guess I could say like some of my visions that I have that are always repeating whenever I cross the abyss. I mean I, I consider the eclipse kind of like an, an image of beauty before I see God. But no, I wouldn't say that there's an actual image specifically for God.

[David Lee Corbo]

I mean, the reason that I ask is because some people do.

[Nick]

Yes, right.

[David Lee Corbo]

And have you heard of this sort of lion headed serpent that the Gnostics will often call like some aspect of God? And even that gets a little bit confusing because it's not like the end all be all, but it is a form that they attribute to God.

[Nick]

Yeah, Crowley Even like ripped off that symbol, something with it.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, well, we've talked to somebody in specific on this show. It was a gentleman who in his 20s was diagnosed with bipolar schizophrenia. And then he, he overcame it by treating the hallucinations. I'm using quotes for the listening audience as external to himself, not hallucinations, but actually that he's being beset upon by, by something adversarial. So he ends up overcoming this that way. But one of the experiences that he has at some point during the height of this, you know, what is medically diagnosed as schizophrenia, he sees this, this snake bodied lion headed entity emerge out of a portal in his, in his room. And it was interesting because he didn't have any grounding for that experience. Later on he would find that this is what the Gnostics call God, or at least they claim that this is what God looks like in some aspect or another, which was to him really sort of groundbreaking. And, and we've even read recently from our show NDS Chronicles, somebody having a drug induced experience where they fell essentially into some sort of like a dark void. And the only entity that was there was this lion who kind of said, oh, looks like you're far from home. And then essentially sends him back. And so there's this. The reason that I ask is because this lion faced entity make several appearances. And if you're looking at the Bible, it's like, well, there's a lot of angelic or, or Elohim that also have the attributes of a lion one way or another. Whether it's multiple heads like the cherubim or one of the faces I believe is a lion, or there's, there's other species that are often described as that way. So this, this symbol of the lion seems pretty heavy in the spiritual realm.

[Nick]

Yeah, I mean to me I've kind of made like a logo of my own version of that myself. I've even mentioned that on the, the Occult Rejects. I mean I do have, I pumped out a lot of occult art recently and I'm trying to just give people ideas of like what certain art can look like for certain things that you're trying to get across. That image to me can very much explain a magical experience in itself. It's just I've never seen anything like that in my magical experience. But I could see that being something that you could use to describe in a sense a change that went on within oneself. Even the snake. I think the snake is hugely used for eyeball stuff your pupil does. Screw closed, screws closed like Spins closed. And I think a lot of snake symbolism is used. Like on the hermit card. A lot of times there's snakes, like underneath the hermit or whatever, like wrapping around the orphan egg. You know, again with the egg with this, the snake spinning around it. Your pupils gonna spin close and your sclera is white. You know, you're getting the whole symbolism of, of the white and the black. But I forgot where I was going with that. Sorry.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, I mean, you touched on something there that. That's been a large part of the conversation we've been having. But I actually do kind of want to put a pin in that Orphic egg and return to it in a minute.

[Nick]

Oh, yeah, I was talking about the. This, this, the lion and the snake. Yeah, for me, I've never seen that. But I do think it's. Again, like, I've even tried to spoof off that image to get, you know, to get a point across.

[David Lee Corbo]

So you mentioned earlier that part of this process for you was a lot of like self auditing, I believe, might have been the expression that you used.

[Nick]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Well, I called it shadow worker. Like self inventory.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Self inventory is the expression that you use. Now that to me seems reminiscent of even like Scientology has, like.

[Nick]

Yeah, when you said auditing, I was like, oh, I mean, it's not even.

[David Lee Corbo]

Just that down here. Yeah, we're pretty close over here to cl.

[Nick]

I wasn't holding on to any. Trying to get clear, you know.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, well, but hear me out, though. So I recognize that in a lot of spiritual work, there is this self auditing. I mean, within Christianity, there's the admission of sin and the repentance of sin, which is a sort of a form of self auditing, or at least you could liken it to it. Even when you have psychedelic experiences, oftentimes the insights that you gleam are really about yourself. I've. I've taken quite a bit of mushrooms before, and it was the. The entire experience was more or less like, why do I behave the way that I behave? Where does my. Where do my ideas come from? And it was able to kind of track things down to the root, which in a way felt like, you know, it was a deeper understanding of self. But in that way, it's kind of a self audit, is it not? So I find it fascinating that regardless of the. Maybe the. What, what would these, these secret schools. Is that. Is that what they're called?

[Nick]

Societies.

[David Lee Corbo]

Secret societies? Or, or if you're in a shamanistic kind of experience where you're utilizing Drugs to this, this self auditing, this understanding of self comes up quite a bit. I imagine this is an important component to this process.

[Nick]

I think it is. In my opinion, in order to have a magical experience, you're gonna have to let go of like a lot of fears, guilt and ties to this world in order to have that. And, and like, let's say even if you're just not, you know, totally balanced and you still somehow cross the abyss, my opinion, when you come back, you're gonna have to be really well balanced and be okay in the head because you're gonna have to deal with shit that you may not have expected to know once you open your eyes. You know, I even made a point a post recently.

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[Top Lobster]

Are you. Are you ever suspicious that you're being shown something that's not true?

[Nick]

No, no, not really. Because none of it's really bad. It's just when you. All right. I guess this happened to me probably like in my. When I was 40. No, maybe even earlier. I think it was like my late 30s. That's how many years that I've already been programmed to believe something. You know what I'm saying? It's like from my experiences, I can't believe I'VE been living a lie. It's hard to explain, but like physics and if you had the magical experience.

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[Nick]

Experience. In my opinion, you're gonna have to question everything that you've believed because it doesn't make sense for that to actually be reality. Going by how you've been brought up and how you've believed the world to be. It doesn't. It shouldn't happen. So how do you explain this now? I've been lied to about the reality that I'm living in.

[David Lee Corbo]

This is something that is. Well, it's been happening to a lot of people over the last five years.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

And you can see the ways.

[Top Lobster]

Hold on a second.

[David Lee Corbo]

Sort of a. Go ahead.

[Top Lobster]

You just said again, hold that thought because I, I don't want to skip over what we just said here. We're talking about the six feet apart stuff. And he's like, it looked like, looks like a ritual to me. And I was going to ask you if, like, if you think, can people take part in a ritual that they're not actively consenting to like, yeah, they.

[Nick]

Just are in love with the person doing it, and they're.

[Top Lobster]

They just have to be in love with the politics that are doing that to them.

[Nick]

And politician, you know, music, artists, any of those people, they love them. They're.

[David Lee Corbo]

And that's where you get those big super bowl events. Right? Where you've got, like, this beloved artist on a world stage. Yes. So they're manipulating the energy, they're using the symbolism, they're using the geometry, and they're putting you through. You're the unwilling participant in a. Somebody said once, I forget what it was, but it was like by this time, the, The. The. The public has already been initiated to some degree. Right. It's just. To what degree have you been initiated? Because you've. You've bore witness to these ceremonies. You've played a role, and you've even been part of the energetic exchange in these ceremonies.

[Top Lobster]

Things.

[Nick]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Besides that, and just exposure, I mean, I think that's another huge thing for any magician. The more people know you exist, the stronger it's going to make you. That's what we'll make with God in this reality, is living on through people's minds. That's why Elon Musk, so powerful. Kanye west, he does dumb. To save people's minds.

[David Lee Corbo]

What do you think, Nick? Do you think that this is. On the 20th, I said something. I said it's time for Kanye west to reemerge. That would have been almost exactly two.

[Nick]

He has to stay. He's probably got a part somewhere in the script down the road, and he has to stay relevant until.

[David Lee Corbo]

I think so. I think he does have a part in the script. I think it's part of this. It's. It's multifaceted. But I think right now it's the. The Jewish sentiment and the way that it's developing on Twitter and the way that it's developing kind of in this larger conversation. I think he plays a role in that, same as Elon Musk. And I said on the 20th that it was time for him to. To reemerge. And all of a sudden he does. And when he does, what's the first thing? Yeah, well, actually, the first thing he did was he made a bunch of tweets that were pretty funny, actually. And. And I thought that that was a lot of fun. I said, okay, cool. We got cool Kanye back. And then he's like, hey, look at my wife's tits. And I'm like, that's not fun. That's not. That's not. I Miss the old Kanye, you know?

[Nick]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Can't you put, like, a mask on and have a little flag or something and say something? It's like you're, like, pimping your girl out.

[David Lee Corbo]

And that's. That's the thing that upsets me. Right. Because this is the same guy that made Jesus Is King, which I thought was a phenomenal album. And, and he's one of my favorite artists. He always has me. He might be my favorite artist. And I'm not somebody who absorbs a tremendous amount of music, so that's not saying much. It's not like I'm a music savant by any means.

[Nick]

I just like, intelligent, very talented. I actually do.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Nick]

So stuff. But I do. Do you think he is?

[David Lee Corbo]

I, I, I, he's definitely. He's. He plays, just going back to what we said before, a much larger role in the script than I think a lot of people give him credit for, and I think we're gonna see that come to pass. But what do you think at all? What is he doing? Do you think this is the real Kanye?

[Nick]

No, I think they all play characters to an extent. I mean, I'm sure there's some. I, I would even say sometimes when he's a little off, that might be the more real him after with Magic. Because I've even said that before. You. With Magic. Too much or too often, you'll end up like Kanye west or Joe Biden.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Like on the right. Like on the regular. That will be you.

[David Lee Corbo]

There was a Kanye west video that came out. I, I think it was We Used to Be. I forgot what the hell the title of it is. It came out in, like, 2007. It was a long time ago. And, and, you know, long story short, he's at a dance, he's at a party. He's. He's drugged up, he's drunk, and he's just navigating through it. It's like a fever dream. Next thing you know, he ends up in a bathroom and he is cutting out of his own gut, this small bear. Sort of. It's a. I remembered it as a.

[Nick]

Dropout thing he's got going on.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, that's what I thought it was, but when I re. Watched it, I was like, that doesn't even look like my memory was skewed. I thought it looked like the College Dropout Bear. I still think it represents the same thing that that bear represents for him, which is, I don't know, sort of this innocence. It was associated with his mother, the death of his mother. He's called it a sacrifice. And then in this video, he's taking this bear out, and he is. He gives it a small knife, and he motions to it to kill itself. And then this bear does it. It jams the knife in. It opens itself up. Its intestines fall out. And then, you know, Kanye returns to the party. Now, even in the. Even in the grand scheme of things, the albums in between, where this happened, it was, like, definitively the albums that were representative of, like, an old Kanye West. And then after that video, he goes on to release, like, what is it, My Beautiful Dark Nightmare, or whatever the hell the name of the album is. This was right after 808s and heartbreak. And then he just goes into this really significant cultural moving. Kanye west after this moment. So that's a guy. Yeah, that's just steeped in. In this magic. And maybe you're right. Maybe it causes you to lose your mind if you. If you look too long into the abyss.

[Nick]

Well, I see. It's. I just. My opinion, this is, like, kind of what happens. And I even think this is part of psychic warfare, is you're gonna just throw somebody out to the abyss. My opinion, when you start with magic, you are losing form. And believe it or not, the less structure and the less form to things is the most chaotic and scary it can get because you can't understand it. It's hard to explain, but, like, I do think due to the lack of structure and starting to get formless, it's. It can take a toll on. On your brain, you know, your psyche, is that it's like you start unraveling your own identity.

[Top Lobster]

Is that what you're talking about when you're expressing this idea of the abyss that you're continually continuing to cross?

[Nick]

Yeah, well, the. I'll just throw that out there, too. Like I mentioned before, some of the secrets are secrets of my opinion. If you're actually having a real magical. Magical experience, you were committing temporary suicide. You're separating your soul from your body.

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[Nick]

I was like, oh, this is perfect.

[David Lee Corbo]

That was perfect timing, because this is something that is. I'm excited to explore this. This is something that I used to get deeper into. And then when I became a father and a husband, I kind of backed off that. Because I had to be able to build a life, you know? But what you're talking about right now, you're cooking. Guys, listen, if you want to listen to the rest of this episode, you got to go over to patreon.com backslash Nephilim Death Squad, continue watching along, enjoying an ad free experience and gaining access to the episode before anybody else does. Otherwise, just give it a couple of days and the episode will release for free after some light editing, guys. But otherwise, bye bye. All right, so. So this is. This is a. Can you just repeat that? It's a form of suicide. Let's. Let's start with that. What do you mean by that? A form of suicide?

[Nick]

My opinion, to have a magical experience, you're actually going to kind of like your soul's gonna slip out of your body. You're gonna have to be okay with, like, giving up everything in that little moment of time. Like, I mean, that's. To me, that's the ultimate sacrifice. You're gonna have to. I mean, in a sense, if you want to get into, like, you really look at it 1, 1. Not to get too deep into it. I do think again, your eyeballs put a play into this. Like the way you're even seeing when your body changes. There's an alchemical process going on inside of you, I think, before you actually click out. But, like, the light in your eyes will go out and you will kind of start, like writing back up your eye. And I forgot where I was going with that.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, we're talking about this idea of. Of these experiencing experiences being a form of suicide.

[Nick]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. There was. There was something I was trying to get to that you will, in my opinion. One, I do. There's two things I want to preface before we even start getting into this, because I saw certain comments step into the world of power, loyalty, and luck.

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[Nick]

Now, first off, I was not even doing drugs for probably about 17 years. I wasn't even smoking weed. So when I had these experiences, there was no drug use actually at all. It wasn't until Covid that I was like, just to deal with these crazy motherfuckers. I got to start smoking weed again. Because it was just fucking insanity. I was like, I got to go out into public stone to deal with this, Selena. So I started smoking weed then. That was after any magical experiences I had. And when I did these. When I had these experiences, I was sitting in a chair and no ritual was even done. I just. Meditation, in my opinion, in the meditation, just due to doing it over years and letting your body start to calm down. Believe it or not, we've all heard these stories, probably about, like, all these monks that go into these meditations and look like they're dead. Yeah. My opinion just even put it this way. If you think now God isn't in the physical form. I mean, he might be within all of us, but what makes you think a physical form is going to be able to talk to a spirit? No, you're going to have to separate the flesh and. Oh, the thing I was getting about, too, with the eyeball, even in the back of your eye, the. All the way in the back of your eye before you go up the optic nerve and you take the sunlight and transmute it into electricity, which pumps and powers your whole body. Once you get to that point, there is blood in the back of your eye, not in the front, but there's blood. And if you're about to give up your body and you're leaving that part of your eyeball, there may be a blood sacrifice involved, but it's just yours.

[David Lee Corbo]

Interesting. Interesting.

[Nick]

You're going to have to kill yourself and everybody else, technically, in your world because you have an attachment to them, you have a love for people, and you're gonna have to slay their images in your mind to where they don't exist. And you take the handcuffs up off, and you give up every thing you have fell in love with and decide to give it up to talk to God. I'm the one who walked away from him. He hasn't walked away from me. I fell in love with everything that Lucifer wanted to give me with my eyes open. I'm in Lucifer's world. I'm addicted to everything that shows light. I have to give that shit up and talk to God. That's my opinion.

[Top Lobster]

So it's not an opinion. That's a. That's like we talk about on the show. It's a. It's a principle here. This. This idea of blood sacrifice, like, a lot of people will, you know, be like, well, why would. Why would God make it so that you have to do sacrifices in order to get XYZ is like. Well, that's just the principles of this. Of this world, man. I mean, he asked. When he asked Abraham to slay his son. It's sort of the same thing. It's like. It's. This is a blood sacrifice. His Jesus Christ. It's a blood sacrifice. In order to do whatever needs to be done here, there actually has to be a physical thing that happens.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's like part of the ability to transmutate this realm.

[Top Lobster]

Yes.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's how you do it.

[Top Lobster]

Those are the rules.

[David Lee Corbo]

Those are the rules. Those are the rules. Look, this is. Okay, so what you're talking about, Nick, is. Is. Is endlessly interesting to me because my brain is going everywhere right now. I know that there's. There's a functionality of fear within this process, right? And fear is this. They call it like the mind killer, right? The Bible says fear not. All these times over, over again. Every psychedelic experience I've ever had was all the positive aspects of it laid on the other side of. Of giving up and allowing this fear to fade for me. Because much of the fear in. In everything is about your ability to control the scenario, right? Because it's the fear of the unknown. You don't know where this is going if you can't control it. So when you're doing psychedelics or even.

[Nick]

Even.

[David Lee Corbo]

Even a meditative process that gives you insight to these corners of your mind that you're not typically accessing, there is. Especially when it lays within yourself, right, this. This chaos, these, you know, whatever primordial. Primordial, chaotic waters that. That sort of live within you to some degree you can access. It's terrifying. It's terrifying to look at these things. And so when you hold on to it, like you said, something about you have to kill all of these things that are meaningful to you. When I was younger, I don't think I nailed this process by any means at all. But I had that experience where for whatever reason, I was. I was. I was on a tremendous amount of ecstasy and alcohol. But the procedure, for whatever reason. For whatever reason. No, no, that's not the whatever reason. For whatever reason, I was shown a series of images of things that I loved, and then they were being destroyed. And that thing that I loved that was being destroyed was way too much for me to handle. I think I was like 16 years old and. And it ended finally. I was like, I love my mom. And it showed my mom just fucking, like, bursting into guts and Blood. And, and I had to get up. I got up and I saw through a film of. Of red. But after this moment, because that wasn't the end of my psychedelic use, I realized because of that experience that I was. Well, not, not. I just realized that fear was the driving mechanism that was causing me to like, crash out in these experiences. And that if I could let go, that I wouldn't have at least. At least I could control how I. How I felt about the things I was being subjected to. And by that, I mean, if I let go of the fear, then I no longer have to be subjected to it. And then I could go on this experience wherever it takes me. And that, by the way, echoes into the physical realm and becomes sort of the. The guiding rules for how you interact with this realm. It's like everything that is good oftentimes is on the other end of fear. And that's, that's with any journey that you're going on.

[Nick]

Right.

[David Lee Corbo]

Like, we talk often about the hero's journey and how we're. We're all able to go on this journey to go delve into chaos and retrieve something valuable and, and come out of it. But you don't go there if you give in to fear. So this, this fear mechanism plays a huge part in stopping you. And it's the key to. What's that?

[Nick]

Orphan Im even tells you that don't fear.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yes, yes.

[Nick]

I mean, they say see them before you have a magical experience too.

[David Lee Corbo]

Wait, who will you see before a magical experience?

[Nick]

In a way that I think you're viewing it. You will see kind of the orphanim to an extent, right before you blast off, you know? Yeah. I mean, one thing too, that you're even mentioning about fear. If you start understanding what you're actually going through and what's happening to you, do you know, like, what you have to be okay with to even practice magic? Still, if you start realizing I'm actually committing suicide and there's a chance I may not come back, you're gonna have to deal with that fear to even keep going with it.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's it. Yeah. And they call it like the ego death. But I don't think there was a feeling.

[Nick]

There is a specific feeling I have only felt experiencing magic, that when you feel that feeling come over your body, you know what's going to happen, happen. And you have to in a split second make that decision. Am I willing to give it all up to have a moment with God again and maybe not come back?

[David Lee Corbo]

What's that feeling like? Can you describe that a little bit when I.

[Nick]

Whenever I play, whenever I have messed with magic, the practice magic, you know, I will get these visuals, too. But then these feelings will come up right near the end before I start the. You know, I guess I call blasting off or writing the lightning. We'll start from the bottom of my feet, and it will almost start to feel like. Like energy is, like, kind of rising up. And like, let's say by the time it gets to my knees, everything below it has disappeared. Like, it actually feels like I'm being erased. Like, it just is this, you know, disappearing. And we'll start to, like, kind of almost like Tron. Remember back in the day when it showed, like, the guy getting sucked into the computer? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've seen that. And I was like, yo, that's exactly how I felt.

[David Lee Corbo]

Felt like where he's kind of digitally, like, pixelating, he's. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Nick]

It's like sucking them in from, like, bottom up. And maybe it was top down. I don't remember, but it just reminded me of that. But, like, it will start to go up, and as it gets, like, closer to, like, my stomach and chest area, it's like I start to feel it build up within myself. And then all of a sudden, it will feel like. The best way I can explain it is like if I was laying on the beach and the waves crashed and the water was rolling up, up the shore, and I was laying there, and somehow if, like, my feet were open and the water could go through my body, you will literally start to feel like these waves of trickling going through your whole body. And then it just starts to, like, build up into here. And then at some point, another thing is, is this whole time I'm doing this, I am pressing on my. My pineal gland. I'm, like, putting pressure on it, like, really hard and holding it to hold the image I'm even seeing. And at some point, something happens. I think the polarity changes, and my forcing now feels like something like it's like pulling the trigger. I mean, technically, even with the images that I'm seeing, it looks like, you know, a blast of looking down the trigger. Like it's just a bullet just comes flying at you. And it feels like now that you're, like. Again, like you're pushing has somewhere taken a magnetic spin, and now it's flying back at you. All of a sudden, it feels like something cracks in my head. And then all that pressure comes all the way up. It feels like. Like a vacuum just sucking right out of me and dissipating out the top of my head. Right. It's interesting. Right where the Jews put their yarmulke every time, right there. And for me, it'd be easy to see, but if you put a yarmulke on my head and then took a picture of it, it would look like a eyeball and a pupil. I don't know if that has anything.

[David Lee Corbo]

To do with it, but that's interesting.

[Top Lobster]

On your head, for sure.

[Nick]

I don't know.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, yeah.

[Nick]

On my head you could easily see that. Yeah. But no, it comes out right. Right back there. And at that moment, it literally feels like I just, like, lost. I go weightless. I literally feel the hate, the guilt, the fear, everything just start to melt off. And I feel completely weightless. And all I feel is, like, if you took the feeling of love and magnified it by a million times, something that you can't even explain in this world, that is exactly what everything gets replaced with. And it just feel like just this vibrating feeling of intense love. And I just get these visions and it feels like. Like, even in my head that I just start spreading out. And you become, like, part of the fabric and you just, like, part of your. Part of whatever you're visually seeing. You're not, like, separated from it. It's like you're in it. Just believe it or not, as weird as it is. And I've always said, I think NASA's just, you know, occultism. I. You know, whatever. It's part of the occult, part of the government. A lot of their images of what aurora is, and all this out in space. That's a lot of what I see.

[David Lee Corbo]

Interesting.

[Top Lobster]

This you're doing. You're doing, like a. A realm slip, but you're doing it without the. The use of psychedelics, which, yes, people will use. Are you. Are you employing, like, the practices of, like, remote viewers, like a dark room or, I don't know, float tanks or stuff like that? You're just.

[Nick]

I have used a full tank, but I never. I never tried to, like, practice magic in a float tank. But that would definitely. There were certain things. I mean, maybe if I get into it or not with the visuals, with magic, I. I can bring myself very close to having a magical effect and not doing it now. I can do that in a deep meditation. I was able to do that extremely fast in a float tank.

[David Lee Corbo]

Huh.

[Nick]

But I did not blast off as.

[David Lee Corbo]

Far as these visuals go because I've always had the ability to do a thing that is seemingly useless and it's.

[Top Lobster]

Just that if I. Autopilot erection.

[David Lee Corbo]

No, not the autopilot erection that I could do. And that's also useless. I'm kind of the king of useless. So one of the things that I can do is I can close my eyes and pick one spot in particular in the sort of the darkness. And there's some fluctuating color there. Everybody knows that, right? If you close your eyes, you're not just seeing black. Like, sometimes you're seeing odulating clouds of, I don't know, other shades first. Yeah, bursts. So if I pick one spot in that, as if it is actually a physical canvas that I'm looking at, and I kind of hone in on it, I can move all that out of the way, all the expanding, you know, contracting colors, and then I'm just left with wheeling stars. Just stars. Like black canvas and stars. And I'm moving through them, and that's it. That's the end of it. It never yields anything. I mean, sometimes I'll see other stuff while I can't close my eyes. Unbelievable. Sometimes I'll see other stuff that, like, I don't know, looks. Looks like. Sometimes it looks like it's. It's a spot that wants to open up, but. But otherwise there's. It's nothing. I've been able to do it my entire life, and it's just feels like absolutely nothing. But is that part of something? Do you see, like, that?

[Nick]

Mine all starts off with. At some point when I'm meditating again. Now, I said I always focus on my third eye. Eventually, I could spend 15, 20 minutes just getting into a meditation, doing, like, work where I'm just, like, visualizing energy, go up and down, start focusing on my chakras. But eventually, once I focus on my third eye and start pushing on it while I have my eyes closed and I'm meditating, all of a sudden, get extremely black, and you're talking about a star. Now, I know Crowley. And again, I. When I bring this guy's name up, I'm not trying to promote him or pimp him out. I do think he was a degenerate, but I do think he was an occult genius. His whole thing with every man and every woman is a star. I will see one star at a bunch of them. And if I push on my pineal gland, as I catch it in my image, it's almost like I have to, like, lock onto it. I will catch that one burning dot, and eventually it will start to come closer and it turns into an eclipse. But it does look like a burning star, like in the night sky. Like it literally looks like burning, glowing white. And like there's like these weird shapes that if you were to draw clouds on a book and you just took whatever the pencil was or the pen that you used to draw it and like threw that into I guess like black but shined light behind it, you'd see like these outlines like in black to where it almost looks like clouds behind a burning or in front of a burning white dot. It's really hard to explain because again, even with magic, certain visuals and feelings I've had, I can't even explain it.

[David Lee Corbo]

In English because you're, you're pushing on.

[Nick]

I'm inside myself. Not, not with my finger. Like okay, if I'm holding on to the chakra and I'm pushing on to it.

[David Lee Corbo]

Interesting.

[Nick]

Yeah. And I will see that white dot. You will get like this. It looks like this burning star in the darkness. And if I lock onto it and pull it close, it turns into eclipse. And then that's when all the starts coming after that.

[David Lee Corbo]

I would consider our show a Christian show in the sense that we believe Jesus Christ is a central figure and that he did die for our sins and that he is the way. And I almost feel like what happened is mankind got really corrupted with sort of the offspring of these angels and humans. And it corrupted our genome. But also the teachings that were giving us, they twisted them and inverted them when they gave them to us. And then we used them and they corrupted us as well. And so.

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[David Lee Corbo]

And conditions 18 plus that being said, and I feel like Jesus Christ kind of wiped that slate clean where things almost spiritually got overly complicated and. And so but I recognize these things as like innate to some degree. Right? Like, like the fact that you can do these and, and gleam these things doesn't necessarily. There's nothing that says that they're bad or that they're evil. Really what you're gleaming is, is just a deeper understanding of the realm that we inhabit because it's far more than physical. Right. It's a, it's a spiritual realm, predominantly a spiritual realm that we inhabit. And so, but because of the way that Christianity has kind of sterilized itself and given this much more palatable version to people. And, and I don't know if that's because if that's purposeful subversion or if that's meant to bolster the church so that there's more tithes or whatever the case may be. The. We've given people a watered down version of it. And then what we've done is we've turned to these teachings and instead of cautioning people against them, we've really just outright called them evil. And it's like, is it evil to notice that, like, let's say like numerology, for example, that there is some sort of inherent numerological value to the realm that we inhabit? Or like a sacred geometry? Is it evil to observe that geometry seemingly plays a huge role in not only our physical realm, but in the spiritual realm? And it seems like we've thrown the baby out with the bath water. I mean, let me ask you this, Nick. Have you had, I myself have had run ins with negative entities and you're doing something that's almost akin to like a psychonaut. Have you had any run ins with something that you deemed was ill intended or, or negative?

[Nick]

No. You know, the only time anything ever happens or like whenever it stops, my experience, it's due to me like starting to think like about what I'm doing. I guess I start thinking itself and start questioning what am I and what's going on and then it ends. But everything is, for me, it's always been a positive experience. Again, sometimes, you know, I, I guess sometimes maybe certain things that might make sense to me after the fact might be a little bit hard to swallow, but I will say it's always been a positive, positive thing for me.

[David Lee Corbo]

Do you.

[Nick]

There's times maybe earlier in my magical career when I was trying to change this world. Maybe I don't know if I got, you know, maybe I just ended up with, you know, picking up dirt. You know, maybe, you know, your life may not just go the best when you're trying to affect everybody else's.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, that's interesting. I found the same case when I was younger and I was homeless. I, that was, interestingly enough, the time that I decided was, you know, when I should start attacking and, and exposing these conspiracy theories. Yeah. Like, I didn't want to do my own. I was homeless. I didn't want to take care of me. Instead, I was ready to. To tackle the rest of the world's five. Kind of feels like a fool's errand now. Now I'm much more comfortable with, you know, I guess it is internal works, right? It's you and your relationship with God. Don't get too excited and go out and try to evangelize to the world and fix all the problems. It's. You said it before, this is Lucifer's world right now, and you're not going to fix that. But you can fix you.

[Nick]

Yes, yes, yes. And, you know, one thing I do want to just twist out there, too. Some people might find this a little hard to believe, but due to having magical experiences, I do have a lot more respect and admiration for Catholicism and Christianity in the Bible, believe it or not, it has actually made me find it to be more beautiful work.

[David Lee Corbo]

That was very, very much the way that I, I came to it, too. Like, I started in occultism and trying to understand those things. And it's not that I ever got well versed in it, but I recognize the elements of it, you know, in our. In our culture and in our society. And I wasn't comfortable with the flippant dismissal. Oh, these things are just put there because they're. What would you call it? Like, inflammatory. And, you know, that's a way to kind of like when. When people are putting it in their music videos or in Hollywood films, it's like, oh, that's just to be edgy. And that was kind of what I got a lot of my, My childhood was like, oh, that's just to be edgy. So I had to take it upon myself to look in these things because, you know, especially back then, you don't really have anybody that's going to explain them to you. And then over time, and I used to look at the Bible and, and Christianity and everything as. I don't know, I. I didn't look at it closely, but I dismissed it outright as being like, you know, religious institutions are corruptible. And also, who are they to say that they have it right when there's so many different denominations and so many different other religions? And then as I got older, I realized that everything that I had been looking at relates to this Christian narrative so intimately that it was worth looking at. And then when I started looking at it, I was like, oh, there's definitely something here. So I can. I can see how that people don't. I caution people against exploring These principles, because I don't know where you are spiritually. I know when they drew me in, I was homeless and I was, like, selling drugs and everything. Probably shouldn't have been the guy looking into the abyss at that point. I mean, now, in. In hindsight, it worked out for me, but. So we caution people against it. Just because I don't know you. I'm never going to advocate for you doing these things because I don't know where you are in your life. But for my own particular story. Yeah, that's. That's how I got here. So, you know, I guess everybody's got their own path, right?

[Nick]

Yeah. I did see somebody ask if I've ever tried this stuff on psychedelics. No, I haven't. Just want to put that out there.

[David Lee Corbo]

Never. Never. That. That.

[Nick]

No.

[David Lee Corbo]

Didn't come up in your thought process? It seems like it would have been right there.

[Nick]

No, actually, believe it or not, after with magic, I'm a little bit more afraid to with psychedelics.

[David Lee Corbo]

Interesting.

[Top Lobster]

Do you think?

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Do you think? All right, so I. I'm a believer that there's like multiple realms layered on top of wherever we're at.

[Nick]

So when.

[Top Lobster]

When you went to wherever you went, was this the same place? Is this the same place that you always go when you do this sort of a ritual?

[Nick]

Yeah. There's even. Even, like the low one of the logos that I use now that's like. It's even like. It's like. It's an image that I had Mario from symbolic studies. I had him basically make an image of a visual before I crossed the abyss. And, you know, I have that eclipse, and at some point, the easiest way for me to explain it, and I had him design it as, like, movie reels, but it's like these. These things that look like cells, like movie cells on a real. It's kind of like a. Not a square, but it's like a rectangle, whatever. These, like, windows almost looking things coming out of it and going past you real slow, in my opinion. I do think you can start kind of going into those, because they all look like different times and places in time and space. I couldn't tell you even where it is. It just looks like different visions from different times and places. And one time I was interested for some reason. I don't know why. I. You know, I see these things all the time, and I really don't pay it no mind. I just keep on looking at, you know, the. The eclipse and waiting for it to start to separate. And one time I Guess I got intrigued by one of these things and it's like my vision again. When I'm having this experience, my body's not there. It's just a vision that I'm seeing. I kind of like went forward and like turned and like my vision just like went into the window. And like to me, like I joke around but it's like I couldn't tell what it was. I was like, is that a nuclear fallout or is it Arizona? Like it just didn't look welcoming. Nobody was there. It just looked like desolate. And I was like, yeah, that doesn't look like a good place for me to go. And then all of a sudden I snapped out of it. And I'm assuming it's because I started thinking to self again. But every other time I just normally focus on the middle and then like all this other stuff happens. But in my opinion, I do have a feeling that those things can played with. Yeah, I'm not, I'm not even risky. If I was to with magic again, I'm not going to do that.

[Top Lobster]

I don't think I wouldn't blame you, dude. I mean, you're describing someone that. A testimony I've heard of someone that does astral projection and they said it feels like they're on train tracks where.

[Nick]

Obviously I've used that as an expression before. I say the movie reels or I'll say that like I'll be. I swear to God, man. I've said it on probably every show. So it's like as if I was in the subway or a train station and I had two trains coming down past me and I was looking in the car's windows and they were going really slow. That's exactly how I'll try to sometimes explain those. Those visions too.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. So they're like they could. I. I suppose that either that they're on the tracks. But you're saying that you're describing the things coming towards you rather than.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Nick]

It will even look like a light on a train coming kind of close towards you.

[Top Lobster]

Interesting. Interesting.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Nick]

And like, like again when I said when you feel that polarity switch, it's like you see this, that white. This white sphere, this glowing white sphere just fly at you at that point. It's like standing on the tracks and watching the train hit. You're like watching like if you pulled the trigger and shot yourself in the head.

[Top Lobster]

It's an interesting thought because. So your. Your sole intention every time you do this is to go towards this, this eclipse.

[Nick]

Yes. White light. Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Not. Not take these detours. But it seems like many people like to get.

[Nick]

I think that is probably more advanced magic believers it.

[Top Lobster]

To. To take a detour, you mean or.

[Nick]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that's a little bit more risky too. I think that's when you can get caught out there possibly.

[David Lee Corbo]

What do you think of this idea that when you're experiencing these things you are tethered to but still leaving your physical body? There's a lot of people that. That express the idea of like let's say astral projection or.

[Nick]

I think astral projection is. Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

That you leave your. Your physical form vulnerable to something else inhabiting it for a period of time.

[Nick]

Yeah, I do think that does happen too.

[David Lee Corbo]

And. And so then what do you make of the nature of the things that seek to inhabit your physical form?

[Nick]

I think that's an issue. In my opinion. I don't think that's a good thing. And from some of the ways that I have seen it mentioned in rituals and again, I really probably didn't understand what I was looking at, but I did understand it was talking about, hello, it is Ryan.

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[Nick]

Prohibited by law 18 + terms and conditions apply. You know, switching something. When the ego leaves, whatever. When the soul leaves. It doesn't look like it's to me. I just. That's. I don't know what the. Like, how do you know what you're putting in? This is dangerous in my opinion. Way to explain it. Just weird to me doing something like that. I don't think like that's probably with some weird.

[Top Lobster]

Can you tell us a little bit more about that? Like your time in the oto? Did you. Did you come across or like hear from other people that have done something like that? Like have done this sort of meditation that you've done, but taking these other paths?

[Nick]

No, I would totally honest with you. The whole time I was in the OTO and never had anybody even say anything about an experience close to what I just explained or ever admitted. To. With magic to that extent, acrossing the abyss, I've never even heard. To me, that's like another thing. Like, you know, there was many reasons why I left that place, but that was one of them is because I was like, yo, like, you can't tell this is what magic is because this is a little bit different than, like, I'm sure what 99.9 people here expect. Like, you're so base. But, like, what you. The image that you project is completely off. I don't get it.

[Top Lobster]

It's weird because I feel the same way almost.

[Nick]

I just think it's a psyop in itself.

[Top Lobster]

Just, you know, I feel the same way about the church where they I've been. You know, I was going my whole life and I didn't understand what God or even what the Bible was saying until.

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[Top Lobster]

The path myself and really tried to understand it. It's going to give you this weird cursory understanding, this whitewashed version of what this much larger picture is. It's up to you to go figure that out for yourself.

[Nick]

Yeah, well, I even will say, like even one thing, like two. It's like, you know, how many things are constantly said and we just dismiss as like a different way. Like, even for me, how many times you have to have I had to hear death and a rebirth, death and a rebirth, death and a rebirth. And I never once took death as literal, but it's been said to me how many times, and it's in how many things. And we just don't, for some reason don't want to take that death literal. Or at least I didn't, but it was for me. But it's been said to me how many times.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's an interesting.

[Nick]

It's like how much stuff is actually being said literal to us in texts or books.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Nick]

For some reason, we just. Maybe because it's easier for the mind and the heart to accept we downplayed something silly.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, I feel as though a lot of our culture has been engineered in such a way as to produce a fear of death. Like a tremendous fear. Yeah.

[Nick]

Yeah. My experience is the most beautiful thing I've ever experienced.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right. So. So this is something that awaits us all. It's. It is. You know, it's a part of every single living being's journey in this realm that we inhabit. And for some reason, we're mortified of it. It. It plagues us. I remember being a kid and having my first realization that, like, I'm gonna die and everybody that I love is gonna die one day, and I'm just like, it. It made for, like, two months of. Of not being able to sleep at night when I was little. And obviously, you know, you figure out how to compartmentalize that and you. You move on with your life, but that's it. Right? I didn't learn how to deal with it. I learned how to compartmentalize it and to not think about anymore because it was still this. This horrifying, chaotic abyss waiting on the horizon for me and everybody that I loved. And so as an adult, you just keep moving through and you get so inundated with just the. Of life that luckily that burden outweighs the burden of thinking about your own impending doom. But we've never. We don't, in the west, have a healthy way of. Of dealing with it at all. And so it's. It's like the. I had a. A dream once where I was. I talk about this often because it's just like, certain dreams really stick out. But I was on a pipe in the sky. Like a narrow, skinny pipe. And I'm walking, and I don't care if I fall to one way or another, but there's a dude behind me that does. He's, like, naked, and he's holding this. This pipe, and he's terrified. And I look to him and I go, we have to make a pact that we never forget where we came from. And then I fall off the pipe willingly, which is certainly death, because I'm suspended in the air, like, in the sky, in the clouds. And. And then I fall through a giant hole in the ground, and there's a giant tree, like a tree with a tree. Trunk, the. The circumference of a town or something like that. And it's huge and it's got all this glitter dust. But I think the point is, like, I'm caught up.

[Top Lobster]

Up.

[David Lee Corbo]

I no longer fall. I'm caught up in the sort of. The gold glitter dust that's pouring off this tree's leaves, and I'm suspended in air. And it never left me. It never left me. I had that when I was a kid and. But what it does scream is like, it's. Everything is on the other side of fear. I mean, like, that's like the overwhelming message that I get in everything. It doesn't matter if it's your pursuit, whether it's your pursuit in a. In a romantic situation, your pursuit in a career decision for the rest of your. Even as simple as your pursuit to, oh, do I want to have children? And it's like, no, I don't want to have children. I'm not ready yet. I don't have the career that I want. I don't. I just. I don't have the finances. And things aren't where it's like. Fear is the. The. The thing that keeps people from taking the next step in. In any journey. And I don't think we're here to not take part in this journey. I mean, earlier on in the show, we're talking about this concept of, like, the hero's journey. I think that is what we're all here. We're all given the ability we can go if we choose on this journey, or we can keep fear as the. As the. The motivator for us not taking that first step. And it's like, it's in everything, man. And we, you know, going back to the conversation we were having before, it's like, I've heard that in the Bible it says fear not 365 times. I've also heard that's a bit of a misnomer. What's not a misnomer, though, is that is an overarching message within the Bible and within so many things is don't give in to fear. That is the thing that's going to stop you. And I don't know, it just strikes me that so much of this, this conversation, it's like one way or another, whether it's. It's psychedelically or. Or. Or rather psychologically or in a. In a more physical realm, it's. It's a battle with fear constantly.

[Nick]

Yeah, I agree. I mean, everything you said, I think it was spot on, my man. Yeah, I Do think fear is the killer? You know, I've said. I've said plenty of times, even on my own show, you know, because whatever, people will put you up on pedestals, idolize you to an extent. It's just going to happen. When it comes to podcasting, and I've even said the difference between me and the listeners, I just lack the fear of podcasting, and I just like the fear of getting behind the mic and hitting record. It's the only difference between me and them. Nobody that special.

[David Lee Corbo]

I agree with that. I agree with that. I always tell people, you know, if I could do it, you could do it, but it's just a decision.

[Nick]

Especially if I can. Yes, especially.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, especially if I could do it. You could definitely do it. You probably do it way better than what I'm doing.

[Nick]

Yeah, exactly.

[David Lee Corbo]

Exactly, baby.

[Nick]

Like a bull in a china shop, trying to do it. But I'm making it happen.

[David Lee Corbo]

Nick, what do you think about this idea that within this, this death and, and experiencing this light, it just brings it to my mind because you talked about something reminiscent of it, that this is a sort of. Of karmic trap, a loop. In other words, if you die, there are these entities one way or another, that seek to feed off you and keep you in this reincarnation loop. And so that actually going towards the light is. Is. I've heard it, like, into, like, that's the lights in another. Another hospital room and you're being birthed again. And I don't know that if that's, you know, who knows what's. What's true.

[Nick]

But what's interesting with that, you have to think about it. We come in with a flash of light. In my experience, I'm going out with one.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, yeah, we've talked about that before. I think the light plays a tremendous role in all this. Like, when it comes to the. The imprint on the Shroud of Turin, which they recently just dated to about 2,000 years ago. And so previously, it was a lot more contention around how old it was. It seems that they've gotten that out, but we were speculating, which is all we're good for, on how the, how that imprint got on the. The shroud. And we kind of kicked around this idea of, like, when a. When a sperm inseminates an egg, there is an, you know, mysterious flash of light. Scientists, they don't know what to make of it, but there is a discernible flash of light when. Now what happens? That's on a microscopic level of a sperm fertilizing an egg. What happens when a spirit re. Enters the body of an adult male? Is the light more substantial? And. And does that light then burn in an impression into this cloth? But it does seem like this. This light thing is. Is huge. You even said that there is light that comes out of our eyes. I think at one point you said.

[Nick]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We do project out six feet. I mean, and technically, like, not to make it sound weird, but we technically are like biological AI. Solar powered biological AI. We look at the sun, just light comes in, we decode stuff and power our bodies with it. Yeah. Once it hits the optic nerve, it turns into electricity. And that's all your impulses, your nerves, all that. So, I mean, basically, I mean, you know, what do we. It's really weird if you start thinking about how your eyes in the sun and all that works.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, we. Are you familiar with Ed Mabry?

[Nick]

I. I am, because I saw him on your YouTube channel.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, Ed's a great guy. And one of the things that he first talked about when he came on our show was this idea that if God is light and light is the modality of communication between neurological synapses, you know, one atom to another, everything is an electronic impulse. Right. It's a flash of light is how your cells are communicating with one another. And if God is light, then there might be an issue here that explains why we're so distant from him now. And it's that Ed believes the speed of light is not a constant. So whatever the speed of light, I'm retarded.

[Nick]

So let's say that is true because the speed of light actually is slower through water.

[David Lee Corbo]

And it's also allegedly, according to Ed Mabry, I'm. I can't. I can't confirm this. I'm not smart. But he says that the speed of light is slowing down. It has been slowing down on that.

[Nick]

I have seen stuff on that, and there's actually. There's some good proof on that.

[David Lee Corbo]

So. So basically, the way he says it.

[Nick]

Is, wow, that's pretty cool.

[David Lee Corbo]

Thousands of years ago, we would have been much, much more robust because our cells, if the speed of light is slowing down, that means that the communication between our. Our cells is also slowing down. So if you could speed that process up thousands of years ago, when we were closer to God, then we would be much hardier. We might even live for hundreds of years, Right?

[Nick]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

And so. And then the other thing is larger, you know, things. Yes, much larger. And also that our perception of the spiritual realm would have been much more acute because the spiritual realm just would have been more perceivable, more easily perceivable by us. But since he. He says that there was multiple incursions, like, you know, the garden. And what happened in the garden would have been one occurs incursion that caused the speed of light to slow down dramatically. And really what that is representative of is, is the speed of light slowing down or are we getting further away from the source of it? And if we're getting further away from the source of it and, and light is God, then we're getting further away from God, which would, you know, kind of explain why we're falling apart, why we can't perceive the spiritual realm. Our ancestors seem to have it mapped out so much better than. Tucker Carlson was just talking about how we in the west have a detachment from the spiritual realm. He thinks it's. It's malicious or it's on purpose. I think I'm paraphrasing biblically.

[Top Lobster]

What we're talking about is like, from human beings talking and walking with God alongside to then Moses talking with God, but he can't look at him, and he can only see him as he walks by. You know, he's like a fire. Then it goes to like, all right, listen, here's the law. Here's some set of stones, but I'm. I'm around. I'm in the sky all the way to, like, I just got to send my son. Because. So you can see the perceived distance of if this is the light. And, you know, many other religions will. Will call this the sun God or the ultimate God. They'll. They'll. They'll call this deity, the overarching God that is the sun. And I, I don't think that they're completely wrong. I think that, you know, there's a lot of truth in what these people are saying, because there is something about that this light that is on the earth. But has it gotten further away? Well, I think so. There's many stories that say that it has gotten. Has gotten further away. Even science will tell you this, that constitutionally, we're made up of. We're. We're constitutionally less because of the distance between this thing, this light, the source of light, and our bodies. And that's just kind of. It's interesting to think about it that way. So, yeah, if, if that is true, it would make it a lot harder for the interdimensional, the spiritual realm to access us or to even reproduce with us, which I think that they were doing before you know, like if, if human females were a little bit hardier, Ed Mabry likes to say, they would, they would be able to take a pounding a little more readily. Then, then you get, you know, your ancient beings that we like to talk about on this show. Now, not so much now. It's more of. Seems like we're doing it with AI. I like that you brought up the idea of AI because we are, right?

[Nick]

We are this even think about how like we get your parents pop us out and program us.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, yeah. Dude, what the fuck?

[Nick]

Like half of us are here because somebody wanted a toy, for fuck's sake.

[Top Lobster]

It's irresponsible. I mean, when you, when you're thinking about like such a, such a tremendous creation that like what, what we are, we can grow out of just a spark of light basically into full grown human beings making horrible decisions like doing podcasts, it's. Yeah, it really gets you to think about what.

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[Top Lobster]

I. I think what, what we think the alien agenda is, which is like some sort of a breeding program that they can't seem to nail. I don't know how, how deep you go on aliens or what you even think about this stuff.

[Nick]

Aliens. I think for the most part, just my experience, I could see the alien story being a really good way to sell a magical experience. I mean, people have had experiences where they do believe that's what happened. And I couldn't explain that, but some people, I do, I just think some like even look at Crowley. I mean, the first idea that we had of a Gray was from him, right? You know, who knows what he was trying to depict in symbolism with that.

[Top Lobster]

Well, what's your idea on. On aliens, like, as far as your magical experiences have gone, for me, I.

[Nick]

Have a hard time believing. All right, put it this way. I don't believe what we even see out in the skies is true. You know, I find that hard to believe, like what we've been told about that. I mean, even just real quick, just to even just bring it up. The first model that we had before, the one that we have now, the last two models of our ideas of what's going on out there was given to us by occultists. They're alchemists and occultists. So I don't know if I can take what they're saying to me out there word for word.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right.

[Nick]

So I. So just the whole thing, even with me, in my opinion, this is gonna sound crazy. I think a lot of what's out there is just a reflection of the inside of our eyeball. So, like, how do I even explain planets and aliens thinking that way? I can't really.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's interesting because those principles, as above, so below, or as within, so without, like, those kind of things. And that does just speak to the fractal nature of reality, which, you know, even if you're looking at, like, quantum. Quantum physicists and such, they're confirming to whatever degree that, yeah, whatever happens on the micro is also happening on the macro. And as far as you can zoom in, and as far as you can zoom out, you'll find the patterns repeating.

[Top Lobster]

I agree with you, Nick. I think, like, what we're seeing out there as far as outer space, I don't believe it, and I don't believe in aliens per se, but it's just a nice. You know, it's a nice word to give when we're talking to people so that we.

[Nick]

We itself.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, it's an. It's an archetype. It's a way to understand what. What I'm trying to convey and express. But I like that idea of, like, you're looking out there and you're saying, when I look at the sky, the night sky, and you're seeing the stars in the dark, it's the same thing you see when you close your eyes. It's like. Well, maybe like as. As we look at the night sky, it is like it. We're looking into the interdimensional. I don't think that they come from other planets. I don't think that this is. Is this Earth is necessarily even round. I. I don't know what shape it is, but I know we can't get off of it. I'm pretty sure of that.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. Because I keep watching this smash his rockets into the firmament.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. He flies.

[Nick]

Yeah, right.

[Top Lobster]

Just dings him off the. Dude.

[David Lee Corbo]

I'm sorry. Every. Every time I see that, it just looks like something. Like it even behaves as if it's moving through water. And then the way that it. Like there's Moments where it looks like it splashes against some sort of unperceivable but physical. It's all weird.

[Nick]

Can you show images on your show?

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got something you want to share?

[Nick]

Yeah, yeah. I'll try to find another one too. I don't know if next time people actually watch what's his face.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, there you go. That. So this is what you were talking about before. And I. I didn't know if I should go there yet, but the way that the eye seems to mimic this enclosed system that we're allegedly in.

[Nick]

Besides that. If you were to ever watch Elon Musk launch off his rockets, and when they show you the whole bottom screen with all those little numbers going and all that, this is a. Exactly what the. You're looking at.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. By the way, the trajectory is always, you know, it's. Oh, it's. You're like, that's not going up, dog. That's going across. Like every time. I'm like, am I retarded? I just can't perceive things the right way. Once they're too high in the sky, up looks like a cross. That's. It's strange to me. There's a lot of shit that they just kind of lean on our gullibility. I feel like they're like, yeah, don't believe what your eyes are saying. I know that your eyes are saying this thing's traveling horizontally across the horizon, but trust me, it's going up.

[Nick]

Yeah. I do find it interesting whenever you show Elon Musk, like, showing his, like, blast off platform, this is the exact design that he has on the bottom of the screen showing everything. Yeah. I think a lot of his stuff is actually eyeball symbolism. That's just my opinion.

[David Lee Corbo]

So before Nick, you were talking about this orphic egg, and right now we're talking a little bit about Lamb. Right. And how he was the kind of the archetype for the alien gray. And there's. There's a quote that was attributed to. So. So Crowley does like the amelantra workings, and one way or another ends up communing with this entity. He draws a picture of it. It looks like a alien gray. And. And allegedly there's a. A quote attributed to Lamb that says something to the effect of it's all in the egg, which is like some sort of cryptic revelation. And I don't know. I can't confirm that that that's what, you know, something that this thing said to him. But we are in the middle of. I don't know. Like this egg event, right? So we were talking about the Orphic egg and within the UAP disclosure kind of realm, all sudden, eggs have popped up on the the radar.

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[David Lee Corbo]

There's even this moment recently. We showed it on this, on a show where this guy is pointing to this orb in the sky and when you zoom in on it, it is an egg shaped glowing orb with what looks like a snake coiled around it. Right. So this is something that I'm not terribly familiar with. I do a little bit of a deep dive and find out maybe I should be, you know, informed about this thing because it's at the, the center of the creation mythos of a ton of different sort of ancient religions. And I mean from Egyptian, I think even Norse mythology has a version. The Vedics have, you know, an egg in the beginning of their mythos. It's literally their creation mythos. The egg cracks open, the top half becomes the firmament, the lower half becomes the earth. And this is like a little bit different. There's some nuances from one to another, but basically either the egg itself cracks open and creates earth and the realm that we inhabit, or the egg cracks open and a creator deity comes out of it and they create the earth. Or the creator deity comes out, births another deity and that deity creates the earth. But it's, it's. All of it is, is seemingly wrapped up in this creation mythos. But from what you're talking about, Nick, this thing seems to bear not, not a resemblance, but it has a connection to the human eye. Eye, once again, yes.

[Nick]

That's what I think. Even in your eye, when you, your hyaloid canal, your pupil. And the Zonuls is in. How to explain this? Your lens actually is held by the Zonuls is in. And they will either bending it back or just pushing it forward will either make your pupil big or small. When you pull it back and make it small, it spirals closed and sucks light into your eye. That way. And I do think again, it spirals closed and it pulls open like a cross, which is something I do even want to bring up. And this is just a theory of mine. And I'm going to throw it out there. These rituals, a lot of these rituals I'm doing. I'm in a black robe with that hood on. And I'm going to the four corners and destroying these things or doing whatever I'm doing, but spinning in a circle at the same time. I honestly think the black hood and the black robe is the pupil spinning closed. And I'm destroying the four corners that are pulling it open. And now I'm closing the pupil and I'm sucking. Because when you. Now I'm going to invoke. Right. I'm pulling the lighting. That's exactly what I'm doing with the pupil. I'm pulling it closed and sucking light into the back of my head.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's interesting. I knew Top was gonna do this. He's pulling up. But, but this is worth mentioning too. Shout out. Matthew Lane says Year of the Snake. Is it interesting that as soon as the year of the Snake kicks off, we start getting this egg symbolism? The Orphic egg.

[Top Lobster]

These are what. This is what we do in black robes at Bohemian Grove.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

These people are happy.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. Annual, semi annual events. The audience is dressed up in Nephilim death squad cloaks. And. And I don't know what the we're doing.

[Nick]

I don't even have this, this guy out there now. I think, I think he was talking about. There was some dude I saw talking about some experience that he had, I think with like, you know, aliens or whatever. And there's like some video too where it's like showing like this, this, this tether looking thing. And it looks like it's a sphere, but if you look at it closely, it's like an egg actually. And somebody is, it's going around saying it's a ufo. And I was like, yeah, zoom in on that. It's an egg. It's not a circle, it's an egg.

[David Lee Corbo]

No, it's 100 an egg and there's a second and it's hanging from like a rope.

[Nick]

So now just roll that up and you got the Orphic egg again.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, yeah, they're. They're airlifting it. This is the, the. I. I don't know if I want to call it a psychological operation because that seems dismissive. I don't think that all psychological operations are hollow. Sometimes I think they're priming us for a series of events that's about to unfold. And right now it seems like it's this egg situation. So you have this moment where the Steven Greers and Louise Alizandos of the world kind of like the, the, the, the federal arm of the mascots for, for UAP disclosure. So, so these guys are saying, watch out, something's gonna happen today. And I go, surely it's gonna be gay, but I'll keep an eye out for it. And sure enough, we do get, like, all of a sudden this video emerges of them airlifting this egg out of a, out of a mountainscape. And then what ends up happening is somebody, a whistleblower online on 4chan, very trustworthy, comes out and says, yeah, you know, oh, here's another egg video. Yeah, yeah, here's another egg video. And also, I am a, a whistleblower of sorts, Military intelligence clearance, yada, yada, yada. But the two things that were birthed out of his video that are very fascinating is one, when you zoom in on the egg, it is covered in. What was the language? It was hierarchical something or another, but it was basically a language that would only have been used by the priest class of Greece and Egypt. And there are these symbols, sure enough, stuff all imprinted all over the surface of this egg. And the other thing that was found with the egg, allegedly, according to this very trustworthy whistleblower from 4chan, is that there was a entity in a stasis bed, basically like a med bed sort of situation. And, you know, they woke him up and he's a tall Nord. You know how that's like one of the genres of aliens that we. He's a tall Nord and he's got a lot to say. And interestingly enough, one of the things that he said was that the closest we ever had to understanding God was when we were adhering to like the hermetic text or something like that, more or less these things that are the, the, the foundations for much of Gnosticism as it exists today. So I don't know what, what's coming, but this egg thing does. I mean, yeah, it's. Somebody said in the chat that eggs, snakes also lay eggs. So these things are tied together. Also. Your, your eyeball is not a perfect sphere, right? It does have a pointed tip when it comes to your lens on your, on your eyeball, it makes an egg. So, yeah, I, I think you're really onto something here, Nick. When, when you come to this, this correlation between the eye, the egg, Lucifer, the serpent, and all of these things they're all seemingly, you know, orbiting one another.

[Nick]

Yeah. If you want. Real quick, I just want to. So I can give people an example. If you want to pull up this piece of art, I could show you. Now, this is the birth of Venus.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, I've seen this. I. Okay, go on, go on.

[Nick]

And that's the eyeball.

[David Lee Corbo]

And, and Venus, by the way, is. Is the planet associated with Lucifer? Is it? Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Was she. She's standing in this sort of shell. So what are you representing with that eyeball there? What's that?

[David Lee Corbo]

You could see it's virtually the same thing. I mean, she would be representative of the optic nerve, and then the. What is that called?

[Nick]

The source would be like the shell. And then she's standing on the lens.

[David Lee Corbo]

And this is the same thing.

[Nick]

One of the lens is where you have the water, and that little area in front of the lens is where they have the oculus humor. And then the vitreous humor in the back is where the blood is.

[David Lee Corbo]

Interesting. This is very reminiscent of. Of what's that famous painting where the. The fingers are. Are reaching towards each other and.

[Nick]

Oh, yes, yo, you know, the Vatican. I went to the Vatican within the last year. I went to Italy. They. They actually do accept that as being the brain now.

[David Lee Corbo]

I mean, it's. It's pretty uncanny. And, and where is.

[Nick]

When they said that on the tour, I was like, what the. Wow. You're actually acknowledging that physiology is part of this.

[David Lee Corbo]

This is the thing that, That I think a lot of Christianity is, is dropping the bowl because they, they basically tell you not to. Don't. Don't look at this. Don't worry about this. And it's all heretical or one thing or another. And it's like, well, you got a real problem if, if any of this is. Is true. And the problem isn't that it diminishes Christianity. The problem is that you're not helping to unpack this. And, and that is causing certainly a distrust for these religious institutions or towards these religious institutions.

[Top Lobster]

But.

[David Lee Corbo]

But I look at that and I, I can't deny that I see that. And then it's like, well, what do you make of it? Because the church not going to help you understand that. So you have the very organizations that you've been, you know, accusing of, of just being Satanic or Luciferian. It's like, well, not good. All right, I guess you don't get to learn about it then. You don't get to know what this is. And that, that.

[Nick]

That's a problem from, like, the 1200s to the 16 to 7. I don't even. Yeah, push the 1600s in the Catholic Church. People who made some of the biggest breakthroughs and stuff. Or applying physiology. Yeah, they're applying anatomy to, you know, to understanding.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, and what I want to say about that, too, is I don't think that it has to be reductive. In other words, I don't think that you have to look at this and say, oh, all spirituality is just an anagram or, or rather a metaphor for the anatomy of human beings. It's like. No, I don't think it's just that. It is that. And it's also many other things. So. So, like Top says, it's like this realm is multiple realms layered over one another.

[Nick]

It's like slices.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yes. You don't have to look at this and be like, oh, no, even. Even for me, it's like, I believe that Lucifer is an actual entity, but also, is there some correlation between the. The. The celestial body of Venus and there. Is there also some correlation with our eyeball and our. And our own anatomy? It's like, yeah, yeah, all those things. I think all those things are. Are true, and they're all layered on top of one another. But I think much of what. What Christianity does is it looks at these concepts and it sees them as pulling away the actual. Not the. How do I put this? It. It removes a layer of. Of reality and makes it so that it's all just analogous. And I don't think that that is the case at all. I think that this realm is rich with layers. It's like, you know, we talked about it a lot where there's this idea that you can take this oil that's producing your. In your spine. You have 33 vertebrae in the spine. That's why Christ lived 33 years. And. And there's a oil in your spine called Christos. If you can migrate this to your pineal gland through. Through meditation, then you can achieve some sort of like, ascended masterhood or even that the sun is representative of Christ. And the sun rests on the celestial crux for three days before the days become longer, you know, during the winter solstice or after the winter solstice. And that is reminiscent of, or at least metaphorical for the resurrection of Christ. And it's like, Jesus Christ doesn't have to be the sun in the sky. It's like whatever this realm was, it's created. Hello.

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[David Lee Corbo]

And there are echoes of this very important story all the way throughout it. Wherever you're willing to look. And just because you lock on to one does not dismiss all of the other instances of that. And so that's the thing that, that has been driving me nuts. And I fear that in a time where I don't know if you agree with this, Nick. It feels like spiritually things are getting heightened.

[Nick]

Oh yeah, yeah. I agree with that for sure.

[David Lee Corbo]

And a lot of people are not going to have a road map. And that's going to. Cause what I would say like is. Is a hasty falling away, you know, Like, I don't think you should. There are many ways in which the church has dropped the ball, but I don't think that you should throw the baby out with the bath water. So if something happens in the near future that uproots your understanding of the spiritual realm, then you might just feel like you need to, you know, detach yourself and get in and, and spiral and freak out and grab on to the first thing that makes sense to you, which is what a lot of people do when they first wake up. When you first wake up, you tend to fall for a bunch of dumb. That's not true because.

[Nick]

Oh, it's happened to me.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. Oh, dude, it's happened to me so much.

[Nick]

It had.

[David Lee Corbo]

I'm so wrong all the time. All the time, dude. So I, that's. That's my big fear right now is that these things are ancient and have stuck around for a reason. And we're gonna go through some soon. I think that a lot of people are just gonna start tossing things in the trash.

[Nick]

Yeah, no, I definitely think. I just think even from the idolization of politicians right now and just people in general, that shows you that people are lost. Yeah, we're going the wrong way. We're looking, you know, we're looking for fixes of our fear in man instead of ourselves or God. You know, Trump is going to Fix everything for me or Kamala Harris is going to fix everything for me. Get the out of here.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's how it goes, you know, that's everything that we've been inundated with. Right. We started.

[Nick]

Oh, yeah, I believe that, too, you know, at some point, you know.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, no. Yeah. Well, I was balls deep into the Q thing. I was like, I'm trying to tell all my friends they're drinking babies, dude, and nobody wants to listen to me at all.

[Nick]

Yeah. Then I was like, you know, too much of this. Seems like I just started. A lot of stuff with occultism started popping up, and I was like, yes. Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

And then he had that whole. What did he. He had the. The. The Kingmaker ritual, I think. Is that it? Or the. Or the king. The kill king ritual or something? Something like that. Right. When he takes.

[Nick]

I remember the Kingmaker. I think I remember that.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, yeah. That's basically the assassination attempt where it's like he has blood on his right ear, blood on his right hand, and blood on his right foot because his shoe is off mysteriously. Like, he's got no shoe on. So he's going through a ritual right before our eyes. But, you know, we're looking at it as. As an assassination attempt. I don't know. It's all.

[Top Lobster]

Well, that was spiritual king kill ritual.

[David Lee Corbo]

And the king kill ritual. Thank you.

[Top Lobster]

Some would say that the king that was killed there would. Would have been Joe Biden, because right after that, he steps down. It's all really weird, symbolic, esoteric stuff. If you're looking closely, we were. We were some of the first people to call it out, and we were like, that didn't look real at all. We. And I still don't think his ear looks fine now.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's weird. His ear looks better than fine. His skin looks great. By the way, when they zoom in on that guy for the inauguration photo, I'm like, he's got.

[Nick]

Oh, yeah. I didn't look like an orange man as much.

[David Lee Corbo]

No, he didn't look like an orange man. He looked healthy and hydrated. And I'm like, this guy's got great skin for being really old, but, yeah, his ear looks perfectly fine. Go figure. It's weird because it's not even like they're trying to hide that. Right. It's like they. They. Like, even in the picture, his other ear is covered and that ear is favoring the camera. So you can, like, really put that in 4K and zoom in on it and be like, there's no discernible wound. Here.

[Nick]

Nope. That was magical act right there.

[David Lee Corbo]

Very strange. Strange. Very strange. That's, that's my fear though, is that we've been stripped of our understanding of the spiritual realm and we've been inundated by fear or with fear by this propaganda machine. Right. Because it's like we're all pretty comfortable with if it bleeds, it leads. So what have we been doing? We've just been basking in just like this trauma cycle from the media.

[Nick]

Oh, yeah, MK Ultra.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right, right, right.

[Top Lobster]

Well, if you could fear, if you could fit on somebody, it'll probably make it easier for you to love them. And then you, you had mentioned that, that the host or the. Yeah, the host would need, would need to love its parasite in order for these rituals to be successful. Seems like that's right here.

[Nick]

Yeah, it will be forced fear. Then it's like you force fed fear and it's like, well, here's, here's your savior. I'm just going to use Trump as an example because it's just an easy thing to pick. I think both sides suck, you know, and then you fall in love with him because you think he's gonna make everything better. You fall in love with his jokes, you fall in love with his trolling, you fall in love with the stupid. He says you think he's fucking funny. You know, you people fall in love with fucking newscasters. They think they, they know who they are. And it's like you just know the 30 minutes the day that they show you, right, who the hell they are.

[Top Lobster]

This is a strong one too. We, we've been beating the drum on Trump. I, I really, I like Trump, but a lot of the things here that you're going to see him do within it's been two weeks, right? And he's used just basically executive orders to sort of turn around and write the country in a certain, I mean, it's, it's an obvious kind of way. He's like, I just signed executive order. There's only two genders. Is like, there always was, but now it, it's just like, it seems like these are problems that are created that now are going to be attributed to somebody that did very little to fix them. The economic problems, the problems, I mean, with the border, like, these are simple things. But I'm very suspicious. I'm glad that he did it because it's getting out of control. It was out of control, you know, and it was to the point where we're like, yo, we need somebody to actually come in and stop the Bleeding. And he came in and it's like, yeah, he signed a couple of papers. Stop the bleeding. This is obvious.

[Nick]

You know, it's interesting, the. When Kobe crashed in his helicopter, Trump was trying to shut down the border for health reasons. And now we just had a helicopter crash and he's shutting the border then.

[David Lee Corbo]

Dude, did you see, I mean, the helicopter? We got fucking the Kansas City Chiefs versus the Philadelphia Eagles. This plane takes off from Kansas City and then nose dives into Philadelphia. Like, what the fuck? What are we doing here? I don't fucking believe that. That. I mean, I obviously know some crash landed, whatever the it was. I don't even know if it was a plane, but. But I look at that and I'm like, I just. Yeah, it's. It's that plane of the Blackhawk.

[Nick]

The plane was going to Runway 33 for sakes.

[Top Lobster]

I know.

[David Lee Corbo]

So ridiculous. And then, by the way, who, Who? The Kansas City. No, no, the Philadelphia Eagles made a tweet like a couple of days right before it about a helicopter. Like, it was a helicopter. They. They made what? You know how you could take like some, some. Some symbols off your keyboard and keep. I don't know how people do that, but they make a post and somehow all the symbols on their keyboard, they make a whole helicopter. It was like that. Like something like that. And. And then sure enough, right after that, this helicopter crashes. And by the way, we just watched this helicopter. It's the most slow motion, like, like, you know, a horrific moment in the world. It's like, here's the plane and just here comes the helicopter. And it's like five minutes and this helicopter is still coming and it's not turning. Nobody's making any fucking effort whatsoever.

[Nick]

And how that happened like that, unless it was suicide or done on purpose.

[Top Lobster]

It would be very hard to do. Like, honestly, if you think about flying in three dimensional, like space, not space, but three dimensional space, to, to cut off an airplane, it's not easy to do.

[David Lee Corbo]

You.

[Top Lobster]

That's. That's got to be intentional. You don't do it by accident.

[Nick]

When they were like, they were doing like a public announcement about it. I think maybe last night or the night before, they even said that the drill that they were doing required them to wear night vision.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Nick]

So technically they should have been wearing those too. And it's like how the. Did you not see this? And weird thing is, is the plane, I think, is at 325ft and the helicopters at 200 during the collision. So where's the 125ft.

[David Lee Corbo]

It doesn't make sense.

[Top Lobster]

I didn't know that. Another thing that I threw in there yesterday at a shout out to Gray Pilled podcast with Julie. Nice.

[Nick]

Nice.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, I was on there because I was just. I'm binging Breaking Bad again, and I'm up to the season. I don't know if you guys have seen it, but spoiler alert, there's a season where Jesse's girlfriend ODs.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Her father's an air traffic controller. And the. That season culminates where the. The beginning of every episode of that season, they're showing Walt's pool and he has, like, different debris in his pool or in his yard.

[David Lee Corbo]

And.

[Top Lobster]

And people, you know, they're collecting evidence, and you're assuming that it's going to be part of the drug trade that he's doing. But no, it's. It's this event that happens. The father, that's an air traffic controller is distracted or distraught, and he accidentally directs two planes into each other and they crash midair. And I, like, it's just funny that, like, I was like, oh, I want to watch this. This is a great show. And I watched it in, like, two days before I watched this complete. I haven't. I didn't remember the show at all. I was like, oh, my God. It's like, is this predictive programming in, like, 2016?

[David Lee Corbo]

Because that's when this.

[Nick]

Yeah, too. I thought that was so weird the whole time coming back out, too. So. What the.

[David Lee Corbo]

And it wasn't just Tanya Harding either. Apparently there was, like, a couple of others. So, yeah, Silent G says Tanya Harding made a Twitter a tweet the morning of the crash. After 10 years of. That's even unheard of. 10 years of. No social media. And then the most famous figure skater in the world tweets on the morning that a bunch of figure skating children die in this helicopter.

[Top Lobster]

This is why. This is why. It's like, so now we're talking about ice. Ice skating. And now I feel like, yeah, dude, but the Breaking Bad thing has. It's directly dealing with the cartel and Mexico. So we're talking about ice. Ice skating. Breaking Bad with the cartel. I'm like, oh, what the, dude? It's just a bukki of information.

[Nick]

Oh, and ice is even on a rampage in our country right now, too.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's it. That's it, man. That's what I'm saying. So. So whatever's going on with Trump, to me, it feels like, I mean, this is coming from the. A guy who Wrote the Art of the Deal or the Art of the Comeback. Right. Was it the Art of the Comeback.

[Nick]

Or something like that?

[David Lee Corbo]

Or was it the Art of the Deal?

[Top Lobster]

Might have wrote both.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. I don't know if you see that. Look that up. But. But what I see is like, this theatrical comeback story, right? Where, like, you have this guy, he gets in, he does pretty good, but he gets wrongly accused and criticized for all kinds of shit that's paper thin. Anybody with a critical thinking, you know, or the ability to critically think, sees that they're just levying a bunch of paper thin at him, and it all falls apart over and over again, but it still ruins his reputation. And then he gets kicked out, and the dude that takes his place just nose dives the entire country into Philadelphia. And everybody is watching this show. He's a corpse. He's his pants. We're all going, oh, my God, this is so bad. Then we finally get the guy back, and he just goes on a rampage and starts doing all the. That we want him to do. I'm like, this is theater.

[Top Lobster]

He.

[David Lee Corbo]

This is theater.

[Top Lobster]

Wrote both books. So he did. I have the Art of the Deal here. But he wrote the Art of the Comeback as well. Talking about, you know, how he's gone into. Into debt and bankruptcy so many times and came back from it.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. Well, he right now is performing the ultimate version of the Art of the Comeback. And to me, it's old theater, and it goes back to that. Apparently this is a big misnomer as well, but I don't give a. I'm going to continue spreading this fake quote. But it was what Albert pike and morals and dogma that said, when the people need a hero, we shall provide one for them. Apparently that's.

[Top Lobster]

That's.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's oversimplifying the, the, the. The. The. The quote from Albert pike, but I think still, that's what we're being subjected to. It's like they create. It's a Hegelian dialect kind of a deal. Like, they'll create this scenario, they'll wait for this big reaction, and then they'll slide this character in for us to. To clamor around. And right now I think we're seeing in a guy who I like, who's very entertaining, who I do think is funny, and I do like his. His policies and his legislation. We're seeing the ultimate version of that unfolding right now. And I don't know where this goes. I mean, I got a bunch of ideas, but I don't think it's anywhere good. And I think we probably do go to a golden age, but it's more like Blavatsky, you know, Alice Bailey golden age. And I think it's only temporary until some happens. It's like, what, what does the Bible say when they say peace and and prosperity or peace and and safety, sudden destruction shall fall upon them. I think that's kind of probably what we're gonna be subjected to soon.

[Nick]

I could agree with that. I think things are gonna get weird for sure in the next four years.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, look, we're at the hour and 45 minute mark. This is a great conversation, Nick. I. I would love to have you back in the future. Yeah, man, it went to places I wasn't. I didn't know we were going to end up going, but very fascinating stuff. So for the people one more time, let everybody know where they can find you. Nick.

[Nick]

The Occult rejects. And that is on Bitchute Rumble and YouTube and all major podcasts. And then we do have the Occult Research Institute. You can check out there. And yeah, that's where you can find all the stuff. Thank you.

[Top Lobster]

Hell yeah, man. All right, again, it was a pleasure talking to you. Thank you for coming on. We're gonna be chatting soon. And guys, until another two hours when we see you again, we'll be back on. Don't forget to obey, submit and comply. We'll see you later, guys. Peace out.

[David Lee Corbo]

The greatest hypnotist on planet earth is a oblong box in the corner of the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. You can persuade them that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see because they'll laugh in the face of an explanation that portrays.

[Nick]

The bigger picture of what's happening.

[David Lee Corbo]

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