122: Near-Death, Psychedelics & The Great Unknown w/ Meta Mysteries

Summary

Podcast Summary: Nephilim Death Squad – Episode 122: Near-Death, Psychedelics & The Great Unknown with Meta Mysteries

Introduction

In Episode 122 of Nephilim Death Squad, hosts TopLobsta Productions delve deep into the intersections of near-death experiences, psychedelic journeys, and profound spiritual revelations. Joined by guests Jonathan and Sean from the Meta Mysteries podcast, the conversation navigates through personal transformative experiences, ancient philosophical teachings, and the enigmatic realms beyond our physical existence.

Guest Introductions

• Jonathan ([05:08]): Introduces himself as the host of both Cult of Conspiracy and Meta Mysteries podcasts. He shares his background as a past life regressionist influenced by Dolores Cannon, emphasizing his quest to understand the nature of reality and the possibility of our world being akin to a matrix.

• Sean ([07:23]): Jonathan’s cousin and co-host, who brings his own insights and experiences to the discussion, particularly around psychedelics and their impact on consciousness.

Exploring Psychedelic Experiences

• Jonathan’s DMT Journey ([09:30]): Jonathan recounts his profound experiences with DMT during a trip in Florida for the Bohemian Grove. His first trip was euphoric, connecting him with a sense of divine presence and visualizing ancient symbols. A subsequent trip with a doubled dosage led to intense loss of control, disintegration of reality, and a terrifying void, fundamentally altering his perspective on life and spirituality.

  • Notable Quote: “It was the scariest thing I’ve ever experienced in my life. It was like the worst nightmare on steroids.” ([16:08])

• Sean’s Mushrooms Experience ([18:46]): Sean shares his own psychedelic journey with mushrooms, describing a series of epiphanies that enhanced his understanding and empathy, reinforcing the idea that psychedelics can facilitate deeper spiritual connections.

  • Notable Quote: “I had an experience that was just epiphany after epiphany after epiphany. And I gained like an understanding... a way to empathize.” ([18:46])

Philosophical and Spiritual Insights

• Plato’s Neoplatonism ([19:46]): The discussion transitions to Plato’s philosophy, particularly Neoplatonism, which outlines four levels of existence: the One, the Nous, the World Soul, and Physical Reality. Jonathan explains how these concepts relate to experiences of spiritual realms and entities.

  • Notable Quote: “Plato believed that there were basically four levels to existence... and our physical reality is the most densest physical thing that there is.” ([22:32])

• Divination and Tarot ([25:13]): The conversation shifts to the practice of divination, including tarot card readings. Jonathan and Sean discuss how tarot can serve as a tool for self-reflection rather than prediction, likening it to finding meaningful insights within oneself.

  • Notable Quote: “We would suggest that the tarot cards are really nothing different. Basically, they're just a reminder, kind of like a parable.” ([49:36])

Near-Death Experiences and Past Life Regression

• Exceptional Near-Death Experiences ([79:38]): Jonathan introduces Dr. Jeffrey Long's Near Death Experience Research Foundation, sharing a profound account from a participant named Bristol who describes an intricate and emotionally charged experience in a cosmic realm, highlighting the interconnectedness of spirits and the process of reincarnation.

  • Notable Quote: “Most people who are thrust into this space so forcefully that they do not get the option to remain living.” ([81:23])

• Past Life Regression Insights ([104:13]): Jonathan explains the concept of past life regressions, where individuals recall previous incarnations. He shares an example of a listener who discovered she was an Egyptian princess through regression, paralleling the insights from tarot readings.

  • Notable Quote: “I did a past life regression on this girl named Asia... she was the daughter to this Egyptian king.” ([108:27])

Philosophical Debates and Interpretations

• Elohim and Spiritual Entities ([62:10]): The hosts debate the nature of spiritual beings like Elohim, discussing their origins and whether interactions with such entities are inherently good or potentially deceptive.

  • Notable Quote: “We are all just light emanating from God. Just look at it like that, that means that literally, we have a hard time perceiving what's in the ethereal realm.” ([131:12])

• Karmic Reincarnation Theory ([90:03]): Sean introduces a theory suggesting that the karmic reincarnation system was commissioned by divine forces but has become imperfect over time, leading to a flawed cycle of rebirth influenced by various entities.

  • Notable Quote: “If it's detrimental to our constitution, it kills us somehow now because we're no longer hardy enough to look at him, or we simply can't perceive him anymore.” ([18:46])

Concluding Thoughts

The episode wraps up with reflections on the vastness of the spiritual realm, the importance of inner exploration, and the challenges of understanding phenomena beyond our current consciousness. The hosts emphasize the significance of maintaining hope and connecting with one’s higher self to navigate the complexities of existence.

• Final Quote: “The karmic reincarnation system is real, or else it wouldn't be identified by so many cultures around the world.” ([89:58])

Conclusion

Episode 122 of Nephilim Death Squad offers a rich tapestry of discussions intertwining personal psychedelic experiences, ancient philosophies, and the enigmatic nature of near-death and past life experiences. Through engaging dialogues and thought-provoking insights, Jonathan and Sean invite listeners to ponder the deeper mysteries of existence and the interconnectedness of all beings.

Notable Quotes with Timestamps

1. “It was the scariest thing I’ve ever experienced in my life. It was like the worst nightmare on steroids.” – Jonathan ([16:08])
2. “I had an experience that was just epiphany after epiphany after epiphany. And I gained like an understanding... a way to empathize.” – Sean ([18:46])
3. “Plato believed that there were basically four levels to existence... and our physical reality is the most densest physical thing that there is.” – Jonathan ([22:32])
4. “We would suggest that the tarot cards are really nothing different. Basically, they're just a reminder, kind of like a parable.” – Sean ([49:36])
5. “Most people who are thrust into this space so forcefully that they do not get the option to remain living.” – Jonathan ([81:23])
6. “We are all just light emanating from God. Just look at it like that, that means that literally, we have a hard time perceiving what's in the ethereal realm.” – Jonathan ([131:12])
7. “The karmic reincarnation system is real, or else it wouldn't be identified by so many cultures around the world.” – Sean ([89:58])

Note: While the podcast delves into various spiritual and philosophical topics, it occasionally features offensive language. The hosts occasionally use derogatory terms to express frustration or emphasize points. Listeners are advised to approach the content with an open mind and be aware of the informal and candid nature of the discussions.

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[Jonathan]

All right, so you might know me. I have the, the Cult of Conspiracy podcast, but I also have another podcast that dives into a lot of the more spiritual kind of things we are, the Meta Mysteries podcast. And that is basically all the esoteric, all of the kind of, we get into some occult kind of stuff and spiritual stuff, new ag kind of stuff, really all over. I myself am, I'm a past life regressionist. I learned from the great Dolores Cannon. And she, she was one of those people that, you know, you, you watch enough videos, you listen to her talk enough times, it's, it's going to start to blow your mind and almost lead you to question your own reality. And that's all we're trying to do. We're just trying to understand the reality that we live in. And I don't know about everybody else. I'm looking at this damn place like it's a matrix, some kind of realm. Absolutely. I think that that's what's going on and I think that that's why a lot of this spiritual works, why people are able to remote view, why people are able to tap into their past lives, why people are able to meditate and go into some wild realm. What happens to you whenever you're on DMT or mushrooms or any of that kind of like, is that a place or is that a figment of your imagination? I would actually, I would suggest that they're probably a little bit in the same. So yeah, that's what we're going to be getting into today. A little bit of near, near death experiences, some past life regression stuff. And then we have my lovely co host, it's actually my cousin Sean. And uh, we're kind of, we always say that we're not teachers on any of this kind of stuff. We're just humble students that are presenting some information. So, you know, if you're curious about that kind of stuff, you know, just come and get weird over at Meta Mysteries.

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Yeah, tell me about it. So basically, you know, I've just come to understand that the, the world or realm, as Jonathan put it, is not what I completely believed it to be, you know, and, and I believe through, through different experiences, call them mystical experiences, spiritual experiences, religious, whatever, whatever you want to call it. I feel like these experiences kind of shape how we navigate and see the world, you know, and I feel like that's for us anyways. It seems to always be evolving, you know. You know, and so based on how you, how you look or what lens you have and what, what you're looking at, you know, that's going to just shape your experience. And, and another thing that we've really come to understand is that we are able to not control, but kind of direct how we experience certain things. Surely things are going to happen to us, you know, but it's a matter of how we decide to let it affect us, you know? What I mean is kind of overall how we experience it. And so, yeah, man, we just, we just kind of COVID everything that, that, that we can and really just following our, our own curiosities.

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[Jonathan]

A hundred percent. I mean, that DMT trip that I, that I had taken while we were in, in Florida for the Bohemian Grove, that was insane. It was, it was. I actually did DMT twice. The first time I did it, and I'm not a doctor, so don't listen to me on certain, you know, measurings here, but whenever we, I did it, the first time I did it was like 20 micrograms or milligrams of, of DMT, which is I guess the, the, the standard like regular amount for, you know, just a regular DMT trip. And it was awesome. I freaking loved it, dude. It was, it was so amazing, like the things that I was able to feel and see. I mean, you're talking about like an absolute euphoric feeling, like the best feeling I've ever had in my life. Like, it's almost like you're connected back with God, like that level of feeling. And, and so whatever. What I saw the first time was like, I kind of like blasted off, as they say, and, and I was just all of a sudden like outside floating in the universe. But it was really strange, dude. I was seeing like all these like weird like pillars, but they were like snakes almost. And, and I knew that they were like just obstacles that were in my way from, from getting me from like allowing me to see what I'm trying to see, right? And off in the distance I kept on seeing like this really, what seemed like an ancient golden ball. It was really strange. It had like a bunch of like Egyptian writing on it and stuff like that. And I saw that it was like basically sitting in the. What is it called? Saturn's rings. It felt like, I don't know, like I could just pluck it out of there. And what was really strange was, is that as I'm looking at it, I was like, I just had the thought of, I wonder what that thing feels like. I wonder what it is, right? And as soon as I had that thought, boom. It like just appeared like seemingly like it appeared to be holding in my hand.

[Sean]

Did it look like an egg?

[Jonathan]

No, it was more of just like, like just imagine like a ball, the little bit kind of the in between size of a baseball and a softball and. But it was just like pure gold. It felt like. And it had like this black Egyptian seemingly inscription on it. And I don't know what the hell that was, but it ended so quick. The DMT trip, like, it lasted like a minute and a half and I was like, man, I wish I can go back and I want it to last longer. So then I ended up doing it again, except for I doubled the dosage and whenever I doubled the dosage, that's whenever it started insane. The blast off was like super mega blast off. And it, I got that same euphoric awesome feeling all over again. And as that happened, it almost became too awesome and too euphoric and I couldn't handle it. And I started like losing grasp of my own Reality and losing grasp of all control that I. That I thought I would, you know, kind of keep during this trip, right. And it was. It just completely escaped me. And out of nowhere I just end up in like a. In a Buc EE's. Like if you've ever been to the south, there's like Buc ee's gas stations. And for some reason, in a physical Bucky's or a spiritual Bucky's, it seemed real as dude. Like it was.

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[Sean]

Bucky's is weird too because Bucky's has all kinds of like, conspiracies associated with it. And like, as strange as that is, go and find me another like convenience store, gas station type pit stop place that has conspiracy surrounding it. That's strange that you ended up there.

[Jonathan]

Well, and, and I didn't really know what to allude that to. We stopped at a Bucky's on the way to Bohemian Grove. So may. It was just my mind's way of, you know, serving up some kind of memory. And so anyway, I'm inside of this Buc ee's bathroom. I'm standing at a urinal stall. Like I'm. I'm peeing in this DMT drip, right? And. And I'm looking around, I see all these other people around me. And then I see like the, you know, all the sinks and the mirrors and all that behind me. I can hear people using the blow dryer. And it's like I'm really there.

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Is everything checking out? Like everything checks visually. This all makes sense. It's. It's not like a disjointed sink that doesn't work functionally if you really examine it or like this checks out as a physical buc EE's.

[Jonathan]

Oh, dude. It was like, what? For what? Like, I couldn't tell that it wasn't real. Like in my mind, I actually was there.

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[Sean]

You could have just been catapulted into a hyper vivid, like well executed version of astral projection. No, it's like a remote viewing.

[Jonathan]

Well, it's possible, but I, and I. And I was trying to understand what the. What the meaning behind the BUC EE's was all along, but it was kind of clouded over with what happened next. So what happened next was, is I'm as I'm standing there and I'm feeling like I'm losing control of everything. Everything starts to like, like all of my perception of reality. Almost like imagine everything that you're looking at through your eyes is like, chopped up and disintegrated like. Like going through a cheese grater. And everything, like every single bit of reality was now into cubes. And these cubes were spinning and they were changing places. So like. So like right now on the. If you're staring at me, you can see my eyes are right here. Well, now this was a block and this block was spinning around and it would change up here and it was just the trippiest thing ever, right? And so after a while it started scaring me because I was like, oh, my God, I gotta hurry up and put that block back over here. Put that block back over here. Or else like my life. I'm just going to lose everything, every sense of reality. And as the more I started trying to grasp for. For control, it started getting smaller and smaller and smaller. All the cubes and. Until they turn into, like, dust. And before you knew it, dude, it was like Thanos snapping his fingers and everything turning to dust and blowing away. And then I was just inside. And so there was no more perspective perception anymore. Any right after that. And so what happened after that? I'm just sitting like, in this void, right? And there's nothing but blackness. Dude, let me tell you, it was the scariest thing I've ever experienced in my life. It was like horrendously. It was. It was the worst nightmare on steroids that you can ever imagine. And. And I thought that I lost everything. I was like, oh, my God, this, you know, here I. Here I was, you know, I'm trying to be the outgoing guy and, you know, it just makes you go really internal.

[Sean]

I'm telling them now I'm in the abyss. All because I wanted to have an experience. Now I'm locked in the abyss.

[Jonathan]

Yeah, it's exactly what, what I was thinking. And I was like, my, you know, my, my wife and my kids and like, I'm. I'm losing everything now. And I don't like, oh my God, my dog is at home and I'm just like tripping, right?

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Jonathan]

And. And I'm like this, this whole reality just kind of disintegrated because I wanted to. To do something crazy. But what was extra crazy was is that it's not that it was just my life that was going away, it's that the world itself was going away. And I almost. It was almost Like I, like it was your fault. Like the reason why the world ceased to exist was because of me. That's the way that I felt.

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It's a real dick move, Jonathan.

[Jonathan]

Yeah, I felt that way. And so. And I'm trying to wake myself up out of this nightmare, right? And, and like I'm, I'm like I. I remembered that I was inside of a DMT trip, so I was like, let me try and see if I can open my eyes. And, and I, I'm opening my eyes and at this time I'm like, man, like this is like I'm gonna try and open my eyes and what I'm gonna see is I'm just gonna be like rendering it myself. Like, because I know that it doesn't exist anymore. Like it. I was convinced that the wouldn't exist anymore. And so whenever I'm trying to squint open my eyes, I'm looking out into the reality, into the room where everybody was, you know, partaking and, and I could see everybody sitting around me, but nobody was moving and nobody was making a sound. It was like I was looking at a still frame and. And it scared the ever living out of me. And I kept on trying. Like I was. There was like something in my mind that was like, don't lose hope, don't lose hope. Like it's still there. Like you have to hold on to this like that, that like people are still here around you. And I kept on trying and whenever I finally woke up out of it, dude, I just had that thousand miles, thousand mile stare of just like. You ever see like military people come home from like crazy war and it's like they just seen some that like their reality is never going to be the same. That's exactly how it felt. And so, yeah, I mean, as, as nightmarish and has horrendous as that experience was, it has helped me so much in my life, dude, because I realized just how important, you know, your family is and how important your friends are because you could lose it just like that. And I don't know, that's the way my mind's working. So I'm a completely different person ever since that experience. And I'll say, dude, it's, it's weird, but I feel like I heard somebody say it, but like whenever you do psychedelics it makes you smarter. I'm not going to say it made me smarter. It's just like for some reason I feel like I can comprehend a lot more, like way more than I used to be before.

[Sean]

I so When I did mushrooms, I had an experience that was just like epiphany after epiphany after epiphany. And I, I gained like an understanding. I wouldn't say like an intellectual addition, but, but certainly an understanding, a way to empathize. But you said that the previous DMT trip you did, you felt like a closeness to God and it was a very positive experience. And what I think is fascinating about that is the more we've been doing research and doing this show, we've started to become comfortable with this idea that like hell or, or, or something like hell is actually a distance from God. Like God never distances himself from you. It's your actions that distance yourself from God. If you keep choosing kind of the wrong thing. But the further you get from God is also because God is light, it seems in very many ways is a distance from light. So it's accompanied with darkness. And it is a distance from everything that, that God embodies, which is like.

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[Sean]

You know, love and empathy and understanding and things like that. So obviously you're talking about the complete opposite of that. You're talking about darkness. You're talking about a void of empathy, a void of love. And also in isolation with your own psychology. Those, those things seem to be what hell would be or what the abyss would be is a distance from God. And God is all of those things a hundred percent.

[Jonathan]

And you know, it's. Actually, I'm, I'm super happy you brought that up because I, I didn't even link that together until just now. We recently just started going into this new philosophy from Plato. And it's kind of, it's a philosophy that has evolved over the course of, you know, because I think Plato was around like 4 or 500 BC and so people were taking his philosophies and kind of evolved it into today's understanding. So what you have now as far as Platonism is called Neoplatonism, to where they basically they, they add like a bunch of different spiritual aspects to it, which it still makes a lot of sense and it still goes hand in hand with what Plato was trying to say. But he believed that the, that there were basically four levels to existence. And what he called him, he called it so you could look at like God being the main light, right? Like almost, almost like God is this massive like giant spotlight, right? But he called it the One, which is basically all encompassing, like the one consciousness, you know, everybody's consciousness all together. You can look at it like that. And he thinks, or what he was trying to say is that we're all basically emanations of God. So you would have the, the next level after the one is called the noose. It's N O U s. And that noose is kind of like an almost perfect mirrored image of what God is through our level of understanding. Like we're basically never going to be able to understand what God is or you know, or what the One is. But you can try and think on it or meditate on it by, by thinking of this, this noose place, right? And then the next emanating phase, which is called the world soul. And the world soul is basically how he described it is maybe that's where you'll, you'll see the existence of angels and spirits and you know, all the, that's on the other side of the ethereal realm, right, that we all know. We've all, you know, experienced something like that. You know, maybe there's some kind of guiding light, you know, like some kind of factor that is unseen but is always there with you. Some people call them spirit guides. Maybe that's what's in the world in, in what he called the world soul. And then after that is what you have is our physical reality. So our physical reality is basically what he says is if you have a giant spotlight and the, our physical reality is over here, we, we stretch beyond, we go to a certain point to where it's like the edge of the light. And so the, where we're at, the light doesn't exist. Like it doesn't exist beyond where we're at. Right. So there is no level past the physical realm. It's the most densest physical thing that there is. It's almost, like, interesting.

[Sean]

So what you're saying is, like, so there's no realm that exists beyond this one. We're at the edge of the light. At least. If anything else does exist, it's completely in the darkness. Right. But that also means that we are at the furthest. If God is light, then we're about the furthest we could be away from him while still being in his presence.

[Jonathan]

Absolutely. Yes. Yes. And. And whenever you were talking about, you know, whenever I went into the void, you could say that. Is hell. I mean, if you really think about it, like. And is hell a real place? Who knows, dude? But. But whenever you think about it, like, if there is no light there and you and I. Dude, I felt so lonely. Like, it was the loneliest I had ever felt, and I felt so sorry for myself and, like, it was just the lowest I'd ever felt in my life. And that's what exists beyond the physical plane. But anyway, you know, I just wanted to bring that up because, you know, it's. It's fascinating looking into these different philosophies and seeing how they kind of match up with other religions and spiritual thought and stuff like that. And. And it's actually said that Plato was a major influence to Christianity, you know, maybe about how they constructed the book and the way that they did, you know, like the. The beginning, the middle, the end, like that kind of way. And. Yeah, I don't know, dude. We're all just trying to discover all this.

[Sean]

I. So I don't know if you've. Are you familiar with Ed Mabry?

[Jonathan]

I believe so.

[Sean]

You guys should 100 talk to Ed Mayber. He is a fantastic guest, and he does a. Well, we actually just wrapped up the 25th episode of our Book of Revelation series with him, and hopefully we're going to be getting into the Book of Genesis soon. But the way that he first got on our radar and the first interaction that we had with him was him describing this theory that he has where the speed of light is not a constant. We look at it as, like, what is the speed of light? I don't know. I'm retarded. 300 billion light years, Miles per hour.

[Jonathan]

I don't know.

[Sean]

It doesn't matter. What he's saying is it's not a constant. It degrades. And he's showing you, mathematically speaking, how he can prove that the speed of light has actually slown down. And basically what he said is there was a time in the early history of mankind where the speed of light was exponentially faster, let's say like thousands of times faster than it is now. Considering that the way our molecules interact with one another is through electrical synapses, right? That's how everything communicates from one atom to the next. It's an electrical synapse that, that, you know, like a neuron firing off is a flash of light. It's a little electronic pulse that happens. If that is how our mind communicates, connects dots. It's how our, our constitution, like, right. Literally the, the atoms that make up our body communicate with one another through light. Well, if it used to be faster, then maybe that communication used to be faster, which means maybe we were smarter, maybe we were more perceptive, maybe because our, our anatomical structure was communicating at a much faster pace, maybe we were heartier, maybe we lived longer. And maybe we could have perceived the spiritual realm a lot more efficiently than we do now. And this might explain why, you know, you go from Adam and Eve walking with God, you know, in the shade of the day or the cool of the day, and, and being able to be in the garden with him. And then the further you go down, it's like, well, Moses has to see him appear in a bush, right? And then it's like the further you go, isn't there an instance top, where there somebody's only allowed to look at the back of God because if you look at the front of him, you're pretty much gonna die. What was that top?

[Unknown]

It's just too much.

[Jonathan]

Right?

[Sean]

Well, well so I mean, whatever the case may be, if it's, if either it's detrimental to our constitution, it kills us somehow now because we're no longer hardy enough to look at him, or we simply can't perceive him anymore. And which is why now we're left in this other place where basically Christianity believes that the Holy Spirit dwells within us. And so that is our ever present voice of God. But it only is like a whisper and a nudge. Now we're in the past. It was like they were walking in the garden with him. So if he is light, right? And it's interesting that we use like light as a euphemism for truth. To learn the truth is to become enlightened, right? And in the Bible it talks about Jesus Christ being the way the truth and the life. I think truth and light are, are the same thing. It's almost like it's a Physical representation of a, of a spiritual principle, truth being the spiritual principle, light being the physical manifestation of it. And we have been through one incursion or another, probably the decisions that we made. Ed maybe makes a case for the serpent in the garden being a big drop off. When that happened, there was a big moving away from God, a distance from the source, a distance from light, and, and light began to slow down. I don't know how I feel about it. I mean, I know it fits really well, but I know there aren't a lot of things that I know. I do know that light and the truth and, and our proximity to it is seemingly determining heaven or hell.

[Unknown]

And. Well, and to take it back to Jonathan's experience, you know, as, as scary as that was and as hopeless as that felt, what you just described, I feel like, is that, that feeling or notion in his mind to not give up hope, you know what I mean? Like as far into the depths he went, he still had that, that understanding that like, okay, stay hopeful. And so that. I feel like that's a beautiful message for anybody really.

[Sean]

And that kind of goes back to this, this biblical principle as well, where I'm not going to say 365 times, apparently that's a misnomer. The Bible says fear not a lot. Anybody who does psychedelics, and I have a history of usage, will tell you that fear is the last thing you want to take into a psychedelic experience. Hope and positivity and love. If you carry those into the experience, you have a really good chance of having some positive, enlightening experience. But if you go in there with fear, you're going to a temporary hell until that thing fades away. Until that experience fades away. It's. I don't think that it's accidental or coincidental that the Bible tells you fear not. You know, fear is, that's what they say. 365 times I learned that that's a misnomer. If I could read, I'd be able to tell you whether or not that was the truth, but I can't read, so. But I do think that that is hugely important. This idea of fear. It's, it's the opposite of the truth, a hundred percent.

[Jonathan]

And there was actually. So not to get too personal here, but about a year ago, my wife and I had split up and we were on the outs and she was going to be moving to Texas and, and I was going to be moving to Texas, but basically just for, you know, just for our kid and everything. But before we moved or before I moved out. She moved all of her stuff out, but. And we were actually living in a trailer at that time. And so whenever she moved all of her stuff out, I ended up doing a psychedelic trip. And not the best time to be doing anything like that, by the way, but I ended up doing a psychedelic trip. And I felt so lonely. And like, it was like the. The trailer that I was sitting in, it felt like an empty, hollowed out can that I was just like, basically, like the decisions that I had made, what was I doing? What was I thinking? And I felt, like, so hopeless. And I was like, calling out for help, like, somebody come here. Somebody. Somebody guide me. And I was like, you know, because I knew that, you know, I was entering that's. That. That. That spiritual, ethereal realm with, you know, with the psychedelics. And it was so strange, dude. I felt so distraught with myself, you know, for the decision that I had made to leave my wife. And. And in that moment, I went over to my bedroom. I was trying to fall asleep because it was just, like, eating me alive. Like, every single thought that you have is extremely amplified, especially if you're in fear or sad or, you know, like something. Some kind of bad vibe. And so I went to. To lay down in my bed, and I was just calling out for help, like somebody. I know that there's aliens that can come in here. Maybe God wants to come hang out. What? Like, I'm just kind of desperate at the point is how I felt. And so I. Whenever I was laying there, I. It was the strangest thing, dude. Like, this is gonna sound wacky almost, but. But I'm laying there in bed, and after I called out for help, this. This cat being came and like, was like, laying next to me like a. Like a human version of a cat. And. And I didn't know what the hell that was. I kind of assumed that it was maybe some kind of Egyptian thing because. Got a lot of cats. And. And so I'm laying there and I can feel it purring up against me. And you know, anybody that knows, like a purring whenever cats, I believe. I'm not sure if this is 100 true, but I remember hearing that a cat basically only purrs whenever it's around, like, other, like, humans or something, like, along those lines. And it's basically like a. Like a. Like a calming kind of thing.

[Sean]

Like, it's almost has that effect. There is a soothing effect, for sure.

[Jonathan]

Yeah. Yeah. And I felt that up against me, and it was so strange. And so like, these crazy Things can happen whenever you're on psychedelics. Like, you know, no matter how distraught you are, it's like. It's almost like they're throwing you a bone even, you know, like, whenever you're scared or anything like that, if you ask for help, you know, something shows up. And so, you know, wild things. There was another experience I had, dude. I did mushrooms. It was one of the first time I had ever done mushrooms. And there was this. I was actually supposed to be doing mushrooms with my uncle at the time. And so I. On the way over there, he was like, all right, you know, we're gonna do some mushrooms tonight. So I. I got, like. Like a bunch of mushrooms, maybe a half an ounce or something like that. And we were gonna split it. And I get over there after taking my half of the mushrooms, and he's like, oh, man, I got work in the morning. I can't be doing this. I'm like, oh, my God, I already ate the mushrooms. I don't want to be driving on this, you know? So then I go over to one of my friend's house, and she was like. She was like, yeah, I'll do mushrooms with you. I get over there and she's like, ah, yeah, I gotta get. Get up for work in the morning. I'm like, damn it, I'm running out of time. I'm gonna start tripping balls here soon. Like, I need to de. I need to be somewhere. And so I ended up going back home. And I was like, you know what? It, like, I'm. I'm home alone tonight. Let's just. I'm gonna, you know, take the rest of the bag. And so super, super crazy trip, dude, to where I'm like. I'm experiencing all the wild. I'm, like, looking outside and I'm experiencing nature. I can see, like, this green, like, loving hue coming off of the tree that's covering over my house. And I'm just feeling, like, really connected. Well, after a long trip, I go into my bedroom again, and I'm laying down, and out of nowhere I'm trying to fall asleep. But if you ever taken psychedelics and tried to fall asleep, it prevents you from falling asleep because your mind is just racing so much. Right.

[Sean]

It's pretty hard to fall asleep when your reality is, like, disintegrating.

[Jonathan]

Yeah, exactly. You know, like. And it's just. Your mind is just on a hundred.

[Unknown]

And another world presents itself.

[Jonathan]

Yeah. Yeah. And so I'm laying there in bed, and out of nowhere, I hear, like, this. This horn sound. And I'm like, what is going on? And in this, it was almost as if somebody was speaking, but they were speaking as if they were a trumpet, right? And, like a trumpet voice. And all I kept on hearing was Elohim. Elohim.

[Sean]

Incredible.

[Jonathan]

I'm not a Christian. I didn't grow up that way. I didn't even know what the damn word was at this time. At this point in time. This was years back. And I'm like, what? I don't know what this is, but I'm just gonna go with it. And. And. And I was like, so what do I do? I ask you questions like, what are you doing here? Because I figured that it was some kind of entity or something like that. And they were just like, yeah, ask whatever you want. And so I was asking questions. And, dude, it was the trippiest thing. Like, I'm asking a question, and before I can even get done asking that question, the answer was coming. And it happened, like, a thousand times. And I don't remember most of that conversation. But what I do remember taken from that was, you know, what this thing was trying to teach me is like, look, you're not. Don't. Don't worry about going to hell or anything like that. Just be a good person. Do what you do, what you're already doing, and you'll be all right. Just experience this life. That's one thing that I remember from that conversation. So I wake up the next morning. I'm like, what was the name of that thing that was talking to me last night? I looked up Elohim. What is this? And I was like, oh, my God. Like, is this God that I'm speaking to or angels or something like that? Like, it's been, you know, written in Hebrew in the Bible for, you know, thousands of years. And I'm like, how have I never even heard of this word before? Honestly, at the time, it's funny, I thought that it was saying Nephilim the whole time. And so why. I thought it was saying, like, Nephilim. Nephilim. But it was Elohim once it became a little bit more clear. And so, dude, like, that's why I'm so fascinated with all this spiritual. Because how can we receive all this information just by changing the vibration of our mind or what, or opening up our mind? And. And. And, you know, on our show, we do, like, a tarot card reading every show. And some people think that we're demons or demonic for doing that kind of. I'm just like, dude, they're just Cards. So we do a card poll every time and every single episode. Matter of fact, we can do it today. Every single episode. When we pull one card, I guarantee you that it will align with whatever we're talking about today.

[Sean]

Interesting. Okay. All right. Well, before we go on, I gotta say, I have also done a lot of mushrooms. The most I ever did was 5 grams at a time. And I don't think it was enough to have the experience you had. I had it like, if you turned it down a little bit, I didn't recognize that there was something that was giving me answers. But it was.

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Why is this like that? Why do I behave this way? Where does this behavior come from? Boom. Instantly. I would have. I guess you could call it a gnosis. Right? Like I knew exactly. I. It was epiphany after epiphany. I never stopped to think that I was getting it. In hindsight, it's very obvious that it wasn't my own thought process. But it was definitely something was giving me answers. And so it sounds like you had what I had, but way, way, way beyond. And I gotta admit, that's very cool. But look, guys, before we go any further and get into the juice. Excuse me. We are now at the 35 minute mark and we told you guys at the top of the show that we would allow you to watch the remainder of this episode for free on patreon.com backslash nephilim death squad. So if you're gonna do it at all, guys, now is the time. Head over to patreon.com backslash nephilim death squad. Sign up for free. Or maybe throw us some money if you're feeling generous. And you can continue watching this. I don't know what we're gonna. I guess we're gonna get demonically possessed because we're gonna pull tarot cards. I cannot say no to that. And so I have to.

[Top Lobster]

I gotta say no, David, you already.

[Sean]

You're gonna get possessed, dude.

[Top Lobster]

No, no, I just, I, I, I, I'm not exactly sure what comes with the tarot cards.

[Sean]

Well, well, my, my thing with tarot cards is it's like, so you have the ability to gleam something about the realm that you inhabit. Is that inherently bad? I, I honestly am, am not too sure if it's inherently bad. I had a, a reading with a psychic, I guess, in New Orleans about a year and a half ago. Oh, it's a little bit less than a year and a half ago. And, and he was like a gay man with a handlebar mustache wearing a fez and. But he did a great job. He did a great job. So I don't know. So right there, right? Lucas with a hard R says, divination is a sin. What is it? What exactly is divination? I don't even, I'm not even sure what the. Here, let's look that up. Divination.

[Jonathan]

So there's all these forms of divination, though. Like, as a matter of fact, this is something that I know personally that, like, even a lot of Christians do. So if you look at the tarot or any form of divination as just some kind of technology to reach the other side. So, for example, what's something that even Christians will do is that they'll maybe, maybe you're just curious. And you, you pull out your Bible and you open up a page again, there's a verse on there that will pop out at you like, oh, my God, God's speaking to me right now.

[Sean]

And they did that this morning.

[Jonathan]

Look at the same exact way. It's just that the tarot cards have a bunch of symbolism on there, and you can interpret them, I guess, a couple of different ways. But, you know, it's, it's like whenever you open up the Bible, like whenever you, whenever you do open up that Bible, sometimes that Bible, you could read the same verse a hundred times and a hundred different times. It could be teaching or it could be like kind of giving you a sign of whatever you're going through, whatever you need to hear. Like that day and it'll help you with that day. And I would suggest that the tarot cards are really nothing different. Personally. That's how we look at it.

[Sean]

This is what I'm looking at basically. It's. It's the, it's the intent. So if you are seeking knowledge of the future or something unknown then that is one thing. It. But. But I don't know that a card poll is doing that. I don't want this episode is brought to you by Matt Rife and his team over@real rifetechnology.com the home of the Real Rife Machine. A Real Rife machine is an electromagnetic radio free frequency device engineered by Dr. Royal Raymond Reif in the 1920s used to address various health concerns. Unlike imitation devices on the market today, Rife Technology was co founded by Dr. Rife's relatives and longtime friend of the show Matthew Rife. Real Rife machines are the cutting edge in wellness technology. I personally own one and I use it all the time. I like to tune my Real Rife machine to the frequencies that help with addiction to help curb my sugar cravings. Their Royal Rife Machine is recognized as a general wellness product by the fda. They're great for meat optimization and fitness improvement, mental clarity and cognitive functions, sleep enhancement and mood balance, vitality and sexual functions, digestive health and immune boost, skin radiance and endurance boost healthy blood pressure maintenance and more. And While you're on Realripe Technologies.com be sure to check out the other products they offer and use promo code nephilim for 15% off your entire order. That's promo code Nephilim N E P H I L I M for 15 off your entire order when you visit realrifetechnology.com anything I don't want to know anything. If, if something is, you know said to me then that's one thing. But I don't give a about knowing about my future or anything like that. I'm not looking for an edge. I think that's kind of the thing and just to. And I'm not saying that we have to do this top at all but. But what I am saying is the reason that tracks with me is because that is a form of power. Absolute power corrupts absolutely if you start utilizing these teachings and to gain an upper leg and understand the future. Mankind is fallible as so using any of these things to try to accomplish something is very very slippery.

[Top Lobster]

Here's what I'll say about it. I don't really even do the thing with the Bible opening up and putting a finger. My mom does that stuff.

[Sean]

I don't know this morning if, if.

[Top Lobster]

God wants to contact me, he knows where I'm at, He can contact me. The thing with the, with the tarot card or with any, anything like, like for me at least for going out and seeking this stuff, you certainly will find it's the same way when you were seeking something, you were received by Elohim. And that just means classification of heavenly body. Something from God to fallen angel. That's the range. I don't know what you were talking to. I don't know what I would even be talking to or what I would be inviting to speak to me. So I don't know what will be the truth. And therefore, no, no offense, I mean in another life I'd be very interested. But right now with what we're doing in on this show, I can't really around with that because we've got a lot of people, we got a lot of people coming through listening and also a lot of. There's a lot of people doing things that perhaps don't, don't really have our best interests at heart waiting for me to slip up. So I just can't take that risk. With, with.

[Sean]

No, that's a good point. I, I agree with Top.

[Top Lobster]

That's information. Information we glean from. It's tempting and it's super tempting for the like to be on the show because the information you're going to glean from it is going to be terrific.

[Sean]

Most I could guarantee you if you did it, it would be something, it.

[Top Lobster]

Would be a banger. But it's just like I'm like is it what, what door am. I am opening after that? And I don't think I should right now.

[Jonathan]

I can totally respect and understand that. I mean I think that there are definitely a lot of people out there that are practicing, you know, the dark arts. Like you can absolutely use tarot and a lot of these divination forms for evil purposes. But the reason why we, we're interested in that we're not, we're not interested in learning the future. We're. And in, in any evil kind of like that. We, we look more toward the esoteric understanding of it. How can we apply it to our own minds and our own selves and to assist us on, on this journey, you know, in this meat suit. That's really how we look at it.

[Sean]

This is something I've been saying recently about like numerology, for example, right? It's like, okay, the, the fact that numerology is an art at all and it is applicable to some degree of success. Success tells you that there is an inherent aspect of our reality that numerology is ingrained into. And, and so is that bad was like. No, it seems to be the building blocks of the realm that we inhabit. Right? That's like walking up to the bricks of a building and being like bad. But if you.

[Top Lobster]

It's not bad. It's not.

[Sean]

No, no. But if you then take that thing which is what people do. This is exactly what people do and this is why it has become a, a show. Numerology is you then start using it to, to you know, gain an upper hand on sports betting, to position yourself maybe, you know, in a better place in the future. If I'm here on this day, during this time in a numerological alignment, then I will find success X, Y and Z. And then that just becomes, in my opinion, the issue of oh, humans figured out how to manipulate the fabric of this reality. That is a tremendous power and humans are. And it's going to corrupt this.

[Top Lobster]

Like. Yeah, manipulating the fabric of this reality. That's like a potent term. But like my kids, I, I give them safety scissors. I would never give them a circle saw. And like some of these, these, these are tools, like, these are tools that you guys are using to like look and like take a peek behind the other side. For me, even though, you know we do this like, I guess it's like a fairly black belt level show as far as spirituality goes. I don't with it with, in the tangible sense of doing this because I'm like, I know I'm a kid, I'm getting my fingers cut off if I touch the circle. So, so I'm like, you know what I'll hit. I'll let that. I'm actually interested what have been some experiences like in your show, like with the tarot card reading. What have you uncovered with what you saw?

[Jonathan]

So we actually the, the very first time that we were absolutely mind blown from a tarot card experience is that we learned that there's this, there's this old like, like this Russian book and it's called, I believe it's called the An Asia Method. And you can basically this guy went wandering off in the woods and I guess he got lost and he stumbled across like this being. Right. I don't know if it's some kind of nature being or you know, a spiritual being or whatever it was, but basically this being told him, look, if you're trying to cure all Illnesses, cure all, whatever you got going on with yourself. The best way to be able to do that would be to in like, like intertwine your DNA with. With a seed. So, and how you would do that is. Is like how she described it was that you would take like an apple seed, for example, and you'd take that apple seed and you'd hold it in your mouth and just let like, all your DNA, like your saliva soak into it. And then you'd go out. This is gonna sound kind of crazy, but you'd go outside, you'd hold those seeds up to the. To the stars, basically, and basically have that light shine down on the seed, and then you go and plant that seed. Well, whenever you plant that seed in the. In the tree grows, and then you can eat the fruit. Supposedly that fruit has everything that your body needs that it is lacking because it is now intertwined with your DNA. So we did a show on that and. And then we ended up pulling a tarot card. And, and the only card that we. That. The only card that would have intertwined with that, with that episode was. Do you remember the name of that card, Sean?

[Unknown]

I don't know if it was the full. But more importantly, it was the imagery. And the imagery on the card was a hand with. With stars on it holding a plant. And so that to us was just like, wow, you know, like, it basically just nailed. The whole topic and idea of this show was like intertwining and holding on to the. The plant, you know, and, and so, and just to be clear, you know, like, at least as far as how I've seen the tarot cards is like, I'm sure you guys have heard, you know, where, where attention goes, energy flows. And let's say you go and buy a car and because you've never seen. You don't see this car very often, so you decide to buy this particular car. As soon as you buy the car, you start seeing that particular car everywhere now. And so it's basically just in your mind now. And so now you're going to see this particular car a little more frequently. And so basically how I, at least how I see the tarot, as far as how it works, is that the symbolism and the understanding or the meaning of the car resonates with you. Because I think no matter what card we pull, it's going to resonate because you can apply that to basically anything you're dealing with. And really it's a tool in the. In the fact of when you pull the card, it just Kind of highlights that for you. That's really it. You know, it's not. It's not pulling energy from some dark force saying, you know, this is the information you need. This is how you conquer. You know, it's basically just a reminder, kind of like a parable.

[Top Lobster]

It's.

[Sean]

It's interesting because a lot of, like, psychics and, and just going through that whole experience, whether it's tarot or otherwise, there is certainly some aspect that you can gleam something that were, like, you didn't know. But I'm not gonna lie, I feel like a lot of it is confirmation of you kind of already knew. And that's. That's a lot of the ex. And maybe that's valuable to some people, right? It's like, maybe you're uncertain, but you do feel like maybe this is the correct path or that's the correct path or whatever. And then otherwise it's A lot of it is just confirming that you already knew or you could have figured out if you were just a little bit more, I don't know, receptive and grounded in the. In the truth or something like that. Like, when I. Well, from my experience, it was. It was weird. But I've always been called to. To. To podcast, and it's like, I know God is laughing. He's like, I made him a podcaster. I know. It's very funny. And. And I always have known on some level that that was my path. And one day when I was in New Orleans and I went to this tarot card reader, it was just like, hey, you do something, you do two things. You, You. You. You have your foot in two different worlds. One of them you do for money. The other one you do because you like it. And I'm like, yes, yeah, this. And it's like, okay, well, that one that you do, it has to do a lot with, like, talking, right? And I'm like, okay, yeah, that's. That's pretty good. And they're like, you've been trying at that for a long time. The one that you don't want to do, that you do for money, it's going to fall away soon. And the thing that you want to do is going to be the thing that you do permanently after this, and it's going to bring you a lot of success. And then they were like, look, you're going to have to worry about some pitfalls. You're a good person, but you're going to be the recipient of. Of more hate than you've ever been the recipient of. And that is going to be working to change you. Don't let it change you. Okay? And like, look, that was cool, but I recognize what it did is it fed something in me that just wanted to be confirmed. And part of me almost feels like God is like, yeah, you dumb gay. I put you on a path and it's full of mystery. You get to be on the hero's journey, but instead of having trust and, and faith in this situation, you got to go to a gay guy in a fez, which was, you know, my bad. And so. But I don't know if that, that experience is the same for every everybody, but I do see that a lot is like, like a lot of the times the information that you're going to get, I'm not saying that it's not perceptive in a way that is inherently spiritual because how the hell else are you gleaning this information off of me? But also, if you check in with yourself, there's a voice inside you that already is telling you that.

[Top Lobster]

I wanted to, I wanted to say something about that idea, the, the episode that you were talking about. Because that's a, that's a fascinating idea. And it came up in a different sense on one of the episodes we did with this guy. He calls himself inversionism. He's kind of like an expert on self medication, I guess you'd say. But one of the things he did that's very similar to that is he had a, an allergy to eggs. It would basically like make him break out for years and years and he couldn't figure out why. And he kind of like did. He did a bunch of research and, and, and he wasn't specifically looking for this, but within his research, well, well, he got a certain vaccine and he was eating eggs a lot at the time. The vaccine had an adverse reaction on him. And then all of a sudden he cannot tolerate eggs. So he experimented and he put himself on like high dose glutathione, high dose vitamin C, IV drips and for like a week or so, something like that, he would eat eggs as he's on this drip. So he is now like. So that person had the seed in their mouth giving the seed the DNA. He has the egg in his mouth now, but he's also at Amica Insurance.

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Terms and conditions apply intravenously. Putting in, you know, like vitamin C glutathione is just basically sunlight. And he completely healed his aversion to eggs. So it's, it's one. I was like, man, it, this is a, it's a principle that is a principle of being here as human beings that actually works. So are we supposed to do it? I think that's a good question. I don't know. I mean, I might put some seeds in my mouth and spit them in the ground here. See what we get.

[Jonathan]

Hey, never know, dude.

[Unknown]

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[Sean]

We, we did an episode. Somebody sent us a, a testimony and they've been ingrained in the church their entire lives. And, and basically somebody from their church suddenly came to them and, and told them that they had a message from God. And this person, what's the expression for, for somebody that, that is, you know, plays that role? I guess a prophet. Right. So this person expressed some sort of hesitation because oftentimes according to the, the, the person who's sharing it, God will give messages to this individual, but then caution them against really sharing them because it can do a couple of things. It can derail you from the path that you're on or you're just not in a place where you're ready to receive that sort of information. You misinterpret it. Misconstrued. And you know, the very act of telling you this message is what keeps you from, you know, executing your mission. But within the church, there is still precedent for messages from God relayed from one individual to another.

[Jonathan]

Right? Yeah, I mean there is. And, but that's the thing, dude. Like, I think that what we're discovering on Meta Mysteries is that there is so many different like alleys for that to happen, you know, that it doesn't necessarily have to come from somebody that is in any specific religion. And now, I mean, I I understand the, the mindset. Like, I understand how, you know, if you're a certain religion, that you could look at everybody else's religion as if it's evil. You can look at every other form of spirituality and divination as if it's evil. I mean, it even says right in the Bible, do not practice divination. Right. Like, all of that is to be basically outlawed. And, and I don't know, I'm. I'm personally somebody. Like I said, I didn't grow up with. With, you know, Christianity. Like, you know, we were. We didn't even have any form of spirituality in my family when I was growing up. So that's why maybe a lot of this is so fascinating.

[Sean]

But, like, I grew up exactly the same way. No, no Christianity, no spirituality whatsoever. I didn't, I didn't become Christian until I was 30 after being a conspiracy theorist for, like, my entire life.

[Top Lobster]

Well, it's. What you're saying is true and it's not. It annoys me when, when you get people from the church or Christian people who see spirituality, especially coming from whether it's like some kind of mysticism or Gnosticism or a different religion, and they hit it with a stick. And I kind of. I kind of just did that here a little bit with the tarot card. Hit it with the stick. But not necessarily. I'm just telling you, like, honestly, I don't. I'm not quite sure, so I'm not going to partake. But the fact is that it is true. It is real. There is, in this, within the spiritual realm, there's a lot of. Of going on. Is everything evil? No, there's shades of gray. But I don't. I can't pretend to understand. I think that there's. I think that the spiritual realm is more vast than this realm that we occupy right now. So there's, I don't know, less than 10 billion people on the earth. If we're talking about spirits, there's probably way more. I don't know what the. They're doing because they've been around for a long time. I don't know the sides. I don't know the parties. I don't know the game. I don't even really know all the rules, only the things that we can kind of glean from, you know, the esoteric readings or biblical, you know, biblical lectures that we can find from here on how to conduct yourself within this realm. And still, I don't even know if that would be true or accurate. I'd be Hesitant, you know, I wouldn't, I'm saying I wouldn't go in there acting like I know what the I'm doing, like swing my dick around. Because it could be I could have read something wrong. So that is, I understand like the, the people have complacency for it. But yeah, not necessarily everything is evil. Not necessarily everything is bad on the other side. But how do you know?

[Sean]

Right.

[Jonathan]

Well, and I actually had an experience on, on Meta Mysteries. We had a guest on and you know, he came from the, the Christian world view. And whenever I was telling him about my Elohim story, he was like, well, yeah, I'm pretty sure that's demonic and I'm pretty sure that that's evil. And I'm just like, I didn't get any, any evil thing that happened as a result.

[Sean]

It told you to keep being a good person, keep doing what you're doing. And also Elohim is, is a terminology that's used for like a high ranking spiritual entity. It seems that even the way the Bible puts it, God is considered an Elohim. It's a class of spiritual entity. But, but you know, there's a creator and then there is pretty much everything else that, that it's created. So I would say that's. Look, you said before that a lot of people will adhere to a religion and then say all other religions are, are. And it's like that is a huge mistake if you do that. Because where I've come to is like, I only adhere to Christianity because I believe it's the truest. These other religions would not exist if they did not have elements of truth at their core. You cannot build something that long lasting on a foundation of lies. Right?

[Top Lobster]

So here's what you. Sorry to interrupt, but here, this is a good scripture here. That again, this is why I don't, I don't with this stuff because even though the Bible says it, I do believe the Bible, I trust it. But I'm like, do I really want to go and, and put that to practice? I got a good thing going from, for me right here, right now, like without diving into some. But John first John, chapter four, verse one says, beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God. Many are false. So that right there is telling me because we know that there are spiritual laws, there are rules within the spirit realm that for whatever reason entities throughout every mythology cannot break. And they seem weird and arbitrary to us when we read them. We're like, you can't do that, that doesn't really make any sense. Why would you be bound by XYZ rule? Why would you have to use.

[Sean]

Why do you need my permission?

[Top Lobster]

Why do you need my permission? Why would you have to use blood to do this or that? Why don't you just do it? Well, there's laws, laws. And it seems like one of those laws is if I ask it like, you know, like the old trope like you, you ask the cop, they got to tell you so they can't sell you drugs. It's like that's turns out to be too. That's not in the Constitution. They're saying it is here in the Bible. I don't even know if I want to test that. You know, if I'm be like, are you from God? And then someone's like, yeah, totally. And then it just lies to me, you know.

[Jonathan]

Well, I guess it would all depend. It would all depend on what it is you're searching for. And I think that, and correct me if I'm wrong, but basically the, the, the idea of the devil is that basically that this is the devil's playground is earth, right? And basically physical reality would be the devil's playground. And so if you're ever trying to search for any kind of guidance from the, the darks, 99 times out of a hundred, whenever you're trying to contact the, the dark side or anything like that, it's for something in this physical world. So let's say, all right, well, I'll make this sacrifice, for example, so that my career can vault or whatever. That's, that's like you're pertaining to the physical world at that point. You're trying to advance the awesomeness, I guess, of your, your physical world. And where we come at it is a complete opposite end. We don't even care what happens in this physical world. I mean, yeah, you want to take care of your family and create good memories and stuff like that, but whenever we look into any form of divination or spirituality, it's always to broaden our understand and, and you know, bring our awareness a little bit more to the forefront and almost try and gain a little bit more enlightenment that way. Whenever we are interacting with the physical world, we have a better way of interacting with it. So that way we're not, you know, so caught up in our emotions and so caught up in just the ego. This is like basically the stuff that we're getting into is it's, it's anti ego, you know, and so we're not really too concerned with anything materialistically, which I think, you know, you were talking about spirits earlier, and I think that kind of relays into what, you know, we were trying to present today. And that's like near, near death experiences and people who have had experiences with past life regressions. You know, if you're searching for something like that, like the best way, in my opinion, to be able to search for anything is, you know, kind of with your meditative mind. Right. And so you go into a meditation and maybe you're listening to some binaural beats or whatever, maybe it's a, a guided meditation or whatever the case may be. You can find out a lot about yourself and a lot about kind of the nature of our reality in a weird way, just by going inward. And, and I think that there's a little bit of truth in that even spread throughout the Bible where it says basically the kingdom of heaven is within you. Right. And so that would be the place that you're trying to go. So whenever people do have near death experiences or people do, you know, get a past life regression or something like that, that, that is stuff that's something within you. You're not even seeking anything on the outside material world, you know. And so basically our idea. Can I share the screen?

[Top Lobster]

Sure.

[Sean]

By the way, I, I agree with that idea too, that, that, you know, more answers lie within. That's why I look at NASA. You know, you look at NASA and it's like it's trying to convince you that, like, all the answers are out there in some great. Out there. And I think that's a great ploy if you want to trick humanity and, and keep them from looking inward for understanding. Instead, they're now looking outward towards, you know, whatever these things are, the things that.

[Top Lobster]

Oh, go ahead. Sorry, Sean.

[Unknown]

Oh, no, I was just gonna say, you know, you were, you were making an example as far as when you were using mushrooms. Right. And, and it seemed like, you know, any question that you had, the answers just kind of presented themselves, you know, and, and I, I tend to think I could be wrong, of course, you know, but I tend to think that those answers or understandings are, are already within you. And, and when you are, you know, using mushrooms or DMT or something like that, I feel like a lot of the ego and a lot of the preconceived notions that you have kind of blocking you from certain understandings kind of fall away.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

And so in that sense, the, the mushroom is a tool at that point.

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[Unknown]

You know, kind of letting you experience that from kind of a different angle.

[Top Lobster]

It seems like Tony Merkel would call. He likes the term portal.

[Jonathan]

Right?

[Top Lobster]

Like it, it's like a doorway to traverse from one thing to another. But when they say it's inside of you, I, I think that the, the person is the portal. I think that we are. Yeah, we have that innate ability to. Yeah, you are going like within yourself, but inside of that. It's weird. It's like a, another fractal nature of when we look up at the night sky and we see those stars. And our previous guest Nick of Occult Rejects was on. He says, well, when you close your eyes and, and it's like dark, but you still see these like white spots. It's almost like you're peering within and it's just repeated out there. So it's like these substances. Yeah, these substances like a DMT or mushrooms or acid. In a way it helps you kind of go inside. And that's how, I think that's how we go and we communicate with these other realms. Like not going that way. That, that's alien. It's like light years away. No, it's like it's going inside your mind but traversing this realm. And it's hard to explain, but yeah.

[Unknown]

That being said, not to cut you off. That being said, I feel like. And I think you've expressed this as well as far as psychedelics are concerned, it's not for everybody. You know, just as, you know, you were saying you didn't want to take a chance on the tarot because you feel like Everything's kind of going good already, you know, and, and I totally relate to that because the. Jonathan was telling me about his DMT experience, and I just figured that sounds like the most scariest experience you could ever experience, and I don't think I'm ready for that, you know, and so that being said, I don't think psychedelics, DMT or for everybody either.

[Sean]

And I, I have a great deal of empathy, though, for, for psychonauts and people that are trying to explore these things, because it's like these are real realms, these are real experiences. There's something there, you can access it. But here in 2025 in the west, we've been totally stripped of the map of this spiritual realm. We don't understand it at all. And so my, my issue with it then become it's very much like going into the forest and being surprised when it's like, there's a deer, which is, you know, an herbivore, and it's all good, and it's really not going to screw with you too much. That's a bear, and those are its cubs, and if you get too close to it, that thing's going to tear you apart. Now, because we're dealing with spiritual entities, imagine if that bear could deceive you. That is where the, the real issue lies. It's like there is a vast array of entities on the other side of this veil. Like, some are good, some are bad, some are neutral.

[Top Lobster]

And you saw a cat person that's like, I've only ever heard of a cat person in, like, on the eastern part of the world. Oh, here, yeah, dog.

[Jonathan]

Like, it was nuts, bro. Sean, what was the name of that, that character who. He figured out who it was?

[Unknown]

Sekhmet. Which is interesting, I think, as far as like many people even on the other side of the world, seeing these different entities, you know, whether it be the, the jesters or the different. You've. You've heard of all of the different that you can come in contact with. And I, I find that super fascinating because you can have zero preconceived notion of what you might experience, and yet you experience something that thousands or even millions of people have, have experienced, you know, with no kind of context. And so that, to me, just like you said, I feel like this, this spiritual realm is a thing that's already happening all the time. We are just not privy to it as often as we'd like.

[Sean]

I, Well, I have to ask Jonathan, because I've already found Sekhmet Met, and I have to Ask you a very important question, Jonathan?

[Jonathan]

Yes.

[Sean]

Would or wouldn't?

[Top Lobster]

Oh, it's a girl.

[Sean]

Would or wouldn't, Jonathan. It is an attractive catwoman. It is depicted as having, you know, a considerable posterior.

[Jonathan]

Let's go there. All right, so tell me, Jonathan.

[Sean]

Would or wouldn't.

[Jonathan]

I didn't give the full story.

[Sean]

Oh, did.

[Jonathan]

So here's what's really strange. So whenever this. What I later became to know as Sekhmet came to me, as I was like crying out for help, basically, she started laying up on me, like, laying next to me, like, kind of like purring up against me. And I, you know, weirdly, out of nowhere, I just started getting like, turned on. And it was like rangest feeling ever. And I almost felt guilty. I was like, you. You're like. You're having a spiritual experience. Put your dick back in your pants. That's what was going through my mind. Right.

[Sean]

Dirty, sexy cat lady.

[Jonathan]

Yeah. Yeah. And later I ended up finding out because we had a guest on Sean. What was his name?

[Unknown]

Oh, that was Ronnie Pontiac.

[Jonathan]

Ronnie Pontiac.

[Sean]

Okay, so that is a damn cool name. Ronnie Pontiac. Dude, I would tell everybody my full name every. Nice to meet you. I'm Ronnie Pontiac.

[Unknown]

Yeah, Ronnie Pontiac.

[Jonathan]

So Ronnie Pontiac was an understudy to Manly P. Hall, who wrote. What was it? Secret teachings for all ages. Right, right. He was an understudy. He basically like, him and Manly P. All like, Manly P. Looked at. At Ronnie Pontiac as if he was like handing. Handing the baton off because he knew that he wasn't going to be able to stay alive forever, obviously. Right. And so I was telling Ronnie Pontiac about that story, and he goes, oh, yeah, it sounds like Sekhmet. You know, she's like. She's very. She's. She's always known as like this sexual catwoman that's, you know, like almost like fooling men into sleeping with her, whatever her.

[Unknown]

And so grabbed the figurine. He actually had a figurine.

[Sean]

This dude just had one on hand.

[Unknown]

Yeah, that's how he rolls, you know.

[Jonathan]

And so we ended up doing a little bit of research into who Sekhmet was. And you come to find out the story that she's basically Ra's daughter. Like the. The. The sun God. Raw. Right. Basically that she's Ra's daughter and there's a whole wild story. But basically the. The story goes is that she's like, bloodlust. Like, she's super bloodthirsty. And she, I guess, raw stuck her on. On humanity. For all those people who were not you know, following the doctrine or whatever like that. But then Ra got all. Got all pissed and kind of scared because she was, like, going and killing people that she wasn't even supposed to because of her bloodlust. And so what they did was, is that they flooded is. It's a pretty funny story, but basically they flooded this town with what seemingly was blood. And she was drinking it up. And I. I guess it made her have some kind of. Like. She, like, evolved into this other character named Hathor. And Hathor is basically the loving, caring, generous, motherly figure. And. And so, yeah, now whenever you see Sekhmet, she's also Hathor. That's just like two sides of the same coin almost. And so very wild going on with that. That. And then, you know, you look into Haor and a lot of other people are having, like, these weird experiences with this character, this deity named Athor, or Hathor, rather. And if you have. If you've heard the. The story of. Of Chris Bledsoe, he wrote the book called UFO of God, and he has, like, a bunch of orbs. And. And, like, he's the guy that is always filming orbs, right? And, uh. But he had, like, a whole crazy thing. Line of events that happened to him. And basically he said, look, there was this orb that came out of the sky, and she said her name was Hathor. And she had this message that she needed to tell the rest of humanity. And. And so whenever I had that experience, I was like, Sekhmet. And then Sekhmet is Hathor. Like, damn, we're kind of. There's a couple of people that are experiencing that kind of stuff. So. Dude, it's. It's a wild, Wild. Like, it's so vast, all of this information.

[Sean]

Sekhmet. So. So whenever I hear of a female deity, I'm often like, okay, is there some sort of connection between, like, a Hecate or a Lilith character and. And whatever this other female deity is? And so far, I've not really found anything, but I have found that at some point, Sekhmet had such a.

[Jonathan]

You.

[Sean]

You were saying that before, right? Whose bloodlust and destructive tendencies are said to have inspired vampire myths. That's why.

[Top Lobster]

Well, this is it. Also, it shares some similarities with, like, the pagan or the. I don't know if it's pagan. It's. It's a Roman tradition of Valentine's Day where they get it from those deities.

[Jonathan]

A.

[Top Lobster]

It's like a deity that you would sacrifice to. The woman would get beaten by, like, animal skins and shit. Like that it's about fertility and. But there's two sides to it. Like one side is this like lust love side of the other side is this really brutal form of. It's almost like sacrifice or self flagellation. And it seems like this person or Hathor and what was the other cat based name? Sekhmet.

[Sean]

Yeah, they.

[Top Lobster]

They have this same duality and it probably. It definitely predates.

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But it also does a good job, right? Of like it kind of lays out the. The plight of. Of women in so many ways. Because if it's like, you know, the best version is. Is motherhood and empathy and. And caring and nurturing. Right? Which is why what she sort of evolves into and the other side is just crazy bleeding from the eyes. Just bleeding. Just non stop bleeding for all the time with the bleeding. So yeah, I mean it also embodies that pretty well.

[Jonathan]

Yeah, dude. So wild that you can find over there. But anyway, going back to it, it wasn't allowing me to share the screen. I. It said, oh, you got to close it in order to update the app or whatever. So I'll just read it. There's a couple of things that I wanted to bring as far as anybody that's interested in like near death experiences. So anybody who has ever looked into near death experiences who are unsure what to make about all of it, you're not going to get one cement thing that you can pull from this. You might get one. And that's. I mean it's obviously all spiritual, but for the most part everybody experiences something different whenever they have one of these near death experiences. And so whether you're a Christian or a Muslim or non religious or whatever, there is a near death experience for all of them. And they say that, you know, if you're a Christian, maybe what happens whenever you have a near death experience, you'll see Jesus and there's hundreds if not thousands of different experiences with Jesus. And conversely, the people who are not religious, they'll see like light beings and, and like loving light beings. Maybe they're aliens, maybe they're from another dimension or something like that. But it's always like some form of divine message and in the same thing.

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[Top Lobster]

Can you share in the private chat? Maybe I can pull it up for you. And also, don't go to this doctor it seems like most of his patients are.

[Sean]

He keeps losing patience.

[Top Lobster]

Dude, he died himself. Like.

[Jonathan]

Dude. Yeah. I can't remember what kind of doctor he was that allowed him to see this kind of stuff. Maybe it was a surgeon or something like that. But basically he ended up having a near death experience. And. And now he created this website called N D E R L which stands for the Near Death Experience Research Foundation. And. And if you go. They have. You can. They have a place where you can share your. Your near death experience or you can go to. To near death experience stories. And they have current ones that are just recently happening. And then you have exceptional ones which are just mind blowing. And the one that we're going to read today is actually a exceptional one, as they label it. And I just want to see what you guys think about this.

[Sean]

Okay.

[Jonathan]

You ready for it?

[Sean]

Yeah. Yeah. Let's go.

[Jonathan]

Let's go. So this is from somebody named Bristol. She writes. Or he, I don't know, says. I was thrust suddenly into the darkness of space. I could distantly perceive nebula and other cosmic structures. I could not remember where I'd come from, who I had been, or what my earthly identity was. I felt immense relief bordering on a sense of luxury. I cannot exaggerate the bliss I felt in this place. I was approached by an incorporeal being who communicated with me about my situation. This being had no form I could recognize. My ability to perceive was emotional rather than visual. It occupied the entire expanse of reality. I got the sense that it was an amalgamation of everything. It gave me a gentle ultimatum. I was on the threshold of life and had to decide if I was. If I was ready to be done. They explained how rare it was for me to have this choice. Most people who are thrust into this space so forcefully that they do not get the option to remain living. They asked me to consider carefully. So I inquired about my options. They revealed a system of the incarnation cycle. We remain in stasis as immortal, incorporeal beings outside of animation. When we are not living. Although we are distinguishable as spirits, the overwhelming feeling of continuity was between us. We are all energetically intertwined into essentially a big. In quotes us. The entity communicating with me described how we are given a turn at animation. Each of us is placed in a in waiting for animation. Depending on our length of stasis and the qualities of. Of time spent in previous animations. If we had been in stasis for a while and had endeavored to make our previous lives significant, we would be more worthy of Reanimation, the greater power indicated that spirits whose actions in their previous lives were so heinous, so filled with evil and destruction, were placed very far away. Effectively, they were suspended from reincarnation for a very long time. To ponder their involvement in the cycle. I inquired what would happen if I chose to remain in this place and not return to my body. I still couldn't remember who I had been on Earth. The being told me I was welcome to do that, but I would be placed in quotes in the back of the line, so to speak speak. I would not get another chance at life. For a long time I wondered if I had, if I had to return as the person I had been, or if I could return to someone else. The being informed me that we are not given a choice regarding the material identity that we inhibit. When new consciousness begins in a new person, a spirit is wedded to that body. As spirits, we only have the choice to be wedded, not to whom we are wedded. Those who forego the decision return to the back of the line. And as such, my person was not dead yet and I still had the chance to be, to be returned and wedded to her body again. I inquired about this system. I asked many questions such as why was animation so important? What's going on here? Why didn't we all just remain in this calm, blissful space all the time? What was the point of the violence of life? The being showed me that life was important because it is how stories take place. They demonstrated points in the universe of intense warning, warmth. I realized they were indicating planets that radiated intense heat in a way that I cannot describe entirely. Entirely. It was a magnetic filled with music and voices and felt warm to the core. I saw many planets very distant from each other, in each with distinct forms of being. I immediately understood that there were definitely in quotes, aliens occurring throughout the universe. I also recognized many other spirits drifting around these planets. Inattention of the, of the beings and their activities, the space time divide between us ensured that they could not perceive us and we could not interfere with them. We could only respond to, to intense emotion with our own. We were not allowed to speak directly to the beings currently living. And music was the language by which we communicated. So it goes on and on to say, but basically this person died for a couple of minutes and had this experience, you know, and so people are trying to understand, like how do you compartmentalize this? What do you do with this information? Was that just her? Was it her imagination? Was it the DMT that was secreting from her brain. As, as do all people whenever they die. They say as soon as you die, you have DMT that secretes from the brain. Is it a pure like hallucinogen that you know, whenever you're dying, you know that you get to have this experience? And if so, why? Because nature doesn't do anything for no reason. Reason, you know, so what is this whole connection? Is this, you know, the, the ethereal realm? Is this heaven? Or you know, is this something else that we don't even know? Whenever, you know, why are people experiencing this? Kind of. And there are tens of thousands of people who have documented their stories on, on near death experiences. And there's not only just near death experiences. People have out of body experiences. People have what they call spiritually transformative experiences. Which is going to be the, the, the Jesus one that I'll bring up here in a minute. But I mean, what do you, I mean, how would you compartmentalize that? Do you think it's just the mind doing what the mind does? Or is there something that, that's so.

[Sean]

People that say that, I think that's very gay and reductive. Because hallucinations by nature, they're. There's not a long string of, of, of coherence within a hallucination, you know what I mean? Where like one thing begets another thing, a question begets an answer, and there's a logical through line that you can follow through this entire experience. That's not how disjointed hallucinations work. What I will say is I think that the karmic reincarnation system is real or else it wouldn't be identified by so many cultures around the world. I had a viewer submit a testimony to me on my old show, the Ravens Watch, where they had been in a. Not a symbiotic but a parasitic relationship with. Well, I guess it was symbiotic because it was, it was an agreement that they made. So one of my listeners entered an agreement into an agreement with an entity. And that entity would be given basically energy, emotional energy of, of a sexual nature, but also of basically extreme highs. So drug usage and adrenaline and things like that. It seems like this thing kind of wanted to, to live through him. It was female and in exchange it would give him, number one, access to women, and number two, it would answer whatever questions that he has. So basically this guy just goes around just crushing puss for a long time and, but kind of unable to feel anything. He didn't dislike this entity. And they seem to have a Pretty solid relationship. And like I said, it agreed. There was. There was an agreeance there. So there was consent or permission. And one of the things that he gleamed from this entity before he At.

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[Sean]

Sort of reluctantly parted ways which he described as actually very sad. And we could even get into the nature a little bit about what this entity claimed that it was. But one of the things that it gleamed from this entity was that the karmic system is real. The karmic reincarnation system is real. It wasn't always real. It was after the fact that we were here that it was implemented. And it was actually commissioned by God. Allegedly. I'm not saying that this thing is telling the truth. I believe that this guy had this experience. I'm not saying that he was hallucinating or anything. It's just whether or not the information that he got was. Was the truth.

[Top Lobster]

And how truthful it is too.

[Sean]

And how truthful it is, yeah, because it's like nine truths and one lie is almost a whole bunch of truth, you know. But if there's a fundamental lie in there somewhere, then it derails the entire thing. So know the karmic system was commissioned by God. God commissioned the angels to build it. And I don't know if it was fall, you know, I guess it wouldn't have been fallen at this point. Or maybe when they weren't fallen yet, they had built this, I'm not really sure. But because it wasn't created by God, it's imperfect. And what ends up happening is it becomes it over time, it degrades and falls apart and, and gets all up. And so basically what would have been, you know, within the past decade or two decades this thing was saying. Yeah. As of right now, it's a complete show and it's all backed up. Which is interesting that you should say that because it's like, remember you said the line stretches very far. You have to go to the back of the line.

[Jonathan]

Right.

[Sean]

And you know, basically there's going to come a time where the end scenario will happen when the, I guess, last soul enters and, and a lot of flesh isn't getting a soul. So he even kind of bolstered like the NPC idea.

[Top Lobster]

That's so crazy.

[Jonathan]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

As he was saying that I'm like, how many people do have souls out there? There's so many people on the previous show. Either the previous show, the one before that, I can't even keep track. We were talking about people that you speak to and if you're trying to tell them these greater truths or something even kind of crazy along the conspiracy realm, maybe even about Trump that they're like, you can't tell me that. I just can't hear it right now. I just can't. And I'm like, is there anything in there, bro? Like, are you just like a empty vessel did?

[Sean]

Yeah. Because are we done making entertain this idea without everything falling apart? I got some questions about your constitution. What, what are you made of, dog? Because that's weird to me. But so, so I don't think like, I, I, so I certainly don't look at like the Vedic religions and think they're totally wrong. I just think that what ended up happening and the reason I bring up the Vedic, because they have, have a very fleshed out idea of what the karmic system is like. And the only thing that I give the Vedic religions a hard time with is I kind of think that the one third of angels that rebelled against God, they position themselves as gods amongst people when they fell, when they rebelled. I, I think those are kind of your, and look, if you're a, a, an ethereal spiritual elohim, you got a lot to offer people, a lot in the way of arts. Right. And that goes back to that conversation. It's like, are these arts bad? If you're teaching me alchemy, which is the manipulation of the, the realm that I exist in on a fundamental building block level, or if you're teaching me numerology, if you're teaching me astrology, how to do things when the stars align and you know, during the spring equinox or the, you know, the, the winter solstice, it's like you're just describing the way this realm works. But then to give that edge to mankind, it's like, we suck and we're fallible. So I don't blame anybody for being like, good God. This thing is telling me some real. And we went from sticks and mud huts to all of a sudden a megalithic civilization off the back of the teachings of these entities. I totally get it. I think the only deviation that I make consistently is the nature of these. These entities. They're telling you that they're your creators, and that's. I don't think that that's true at all. But I do think that if you read the Bible, there is a lot of precedent for God the Father is. Is. Is incorporating the views of his creations into what he's going to do. So you could see this in. In. What is it Job? Right. Is the. The Book of Job where he is, or is it Lot? I'm. I'm getting. No. Lot is whose wife turned into a pillar of soul. Right, right. Job is who is advocating on behalf of basically the. The. The city of Sodom and Gomorrah. And he's saying, am I this all up? I'm probably this all up.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. Yeah, that was. That was a lot. Good.

[Sean]

That was a lot. Okay. I completely.

[Jonathan]

Guy that was tested by the devil and, you know, had his. I think he had his wife taken from, his kids taken from. And basically just put through the ringer and never lost faith in God, basically.

[Sean]

So Lot, when they escape Sodom and Gomorrah, his wife, well, he's told her not to turn around and look back, and his wife does, and she turns into a pillar of salt. But he is arguing with God, not arguing with God, but he's like, petitioning God on behalf of the city of Sodom and Gomorrah. He's like, if there's. If there's 20 righteous men in this city, will you strike it down? And he's like, I won't do it for 20. And he's like, what if there's 19? He's like, I won't do it for 19. He's like, what about 15? And he keeps going down and down. Or if you look into the Book of Enoch, where the archangels are looking at what's happening on Earth and all of the. The corruption that the. The fallen are spreading, you know, having offspring, the Nephilim and doing all this teaching mankind all this up crap, they're going to God in the very beginning of the book, and they're like, yo, how long are we gonna let this go? And God's like, yeah, I guess you're probably right. And he's like, we gotta intervene. So God's like, all right, Enoch, go and tell these their time is up. So over and over again, there's like, this incorporation. God is willing to allow his creation to have have say in the way things go. So it's not out of the realm of possibilities to me that God would have maybe commissioned the angels to build a karmic system for whatever reason. I don't know. I don't claim to know, but I. I don't dismiss that at all. So I think what she saw was probably a glimpse of some, you know, real reality. But I'm not gonna lie. There's a part of me.

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[Sean]

Apply that there's a narrative about the karmic system. And it freaks me out a little bit because it's basically like some entities have created this system to hijack us and keep us trapped in this karmic loop. Have you guys ever heard this? And it's the idea that, like, they're. They're looshing off us constantly. We're not meant to be back here over and over again. We're here to live and then to go.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. Would you want to do this again? Like, if I. If I did it and I'm like, nailed it. It, like, why would I do this again?

[Jonathan]

Well, that's off of the Sumerian tablets. I believe you got, you know, the Anunnaki and Enki and Enloe. And basically they're, they trapped you. Basically you had Enloe who was like super against even creating humanity in their image. And then you had Anki who was like, yeah, let's create them, but we're gonna get them to mine gold for us. And like that. But basically we're just like, we're, we're slaves on a prison. Prison planet. A prison planet at that point. And I mean I, I think that you can look at it that way. We kind of just touched on that in a couple episodes ago. But I think that, you know, it all depends on the nature of how you look at this reality. And if you think that. So God is. God is omnipresent, right? He's omnipresent, omnipotent. That means he's everywhere. And that there isn't a place that God isn't. And this to take it all the way back to, to Plato and, and you know, you got the one, then the noose, then the world, soul and then the physical world. But basically we're all just light emanating from God. Just look at it like that, that means that literally, I mean, are we separate from God or are we conjoined with God? And I'm not one of those people that says, oh, I am God or we are God. Like, I'm not, I'm not going there. But I think that, you know, a lot of people, they make the distinction that God is separate from them. And I think that you kind of touched on it a little bit earlier. Whenever you are in, in meditation or you do psychedelics or anything like that, you have or don't even have to be in like it could be on a normal, any day experience that you hear that sound in the back of your mind that's always like trying to guide you. And, and I think that maybe, maybe that's, maybe that's the God part, the. Our connection to God. Right? And I don't know, that's why we're so interested in, in learning about all these past life regressions and, and near death experiences and stuff. Because it's like, you know, it kind of shatters your illusion of the world a little bit because it kind of all is one giant illusion. If you really think about it. Like if you look into like, like particles, like particles, protons, neutrons, electrons and all that. And then you break it down to, to the atom and then the even smaller, which is a quark. A quark is the tiniest measurable thing that you can possibly measure. And whenever they went and identified what actually makes up a quark, quark, it's literally nothing. There's nothing physical. So what you're made up is made up of is nothing. Except for the only thing they could identify inside of a quark is light. And so like that's the light that.

[Sean]

Is emanating a holographic universe. Kind of a, you know, an ideology. And it's such.

[Top Lobster]

I mean it's an astute metaphor, right? Like when people say, I mean we, we talk about the people that say like this is a. What do they call it? A simulation? Because it's kind of like it is, it's reductive but it's true in a way.

[Sean]

Yeah, yeah, it's true in a way. It's just like through our limited gay knowledge. Because, because really I can't look at it as like a caricature. I can't look at it any other way except for like this mushy, soft, pink bodied retard who then creates Grand Theft Auto 5 and goes oh, just like that.

[Top Lobster]

You know what I mean?

[Sean]

It's like fucking almost, dude. Almost, but not quite quite. But even the idea of like, you know, this thing of like God is within all of us. But then this, the lie that the serpent sold in the garden was that you can be as gods and it's like these things, these spiritual entities, you know, the nakash, whatever the, the case may be. They. One thing that I'm pretty confident of is they will use truth and then like that one deviation, that is the very important lot lie. You would not be able to use that against us. Especially in the, in the case of like original sin if there wasn't like a lot of head nodding most of the way there. Like. Yeah, that checks out. Yeah, that checks out. Okay. Okay. And then there's somewhere in there is an integral lie that everything up.

[Top Lobster]

I don't know what it's like that, the idea of reincarnation. I know it's like it's almost like anti Christian, but there really is something to it. There's been too much, too many testimonies. There's too much religion around the world or just like myths around the world that point back to this thing. And you yourself Jonathan, you're a past life regressionist. So you have firsthand testimony of people like guiding them through this. Something is happening.

[Sean]

Yeah. And I don't think that, that when, when people, you know, the, the average kind of. I don't, I don't know how to phrase this Because I don't want to just say the average Christian, but like, like, I don't know, the average normie who happens to be Christian will just dismiss that as either being a lie or being a deception. But to me, I'm like, I just don't understand enough about, like, is there room in the conversation? Do they necessarily have to have come back? Exactly. Or what if you just carry somehow through some way that I don't understand the memories of somebody else or, or the, the impressions of somebody else or the, the emotions. Just enough of it, you know? Because when I look at a child, that's like, I had a mom and a dad and I had a dog and a sister, and I died because we had a house on the ocean and I drown. And then they go and they find out because his kid won't shut the up about his parents that don't exist. And then they go and find out that, oh, there is a place in this location on the beach where there was a family who lost a little boy. I go, I'm, I can't call that you make it a liar. Right. You know, but, but to then jump to the conclusion of, okay, so they died and they came back to life. I'm like, I don't know that I have to go all the way there either. Let's say, you know, and I'm not saying I even believe this, but like a soul fragment, what if you could somehow carry a fragmentation of another person somehow? I don't know.

[Top Lobster]

I'm not even claiming we do this all the time. I, I, I spoke to my daughter last night about this because my daughter's 6 and she's getting to the age, I guess, where, I don't know, she's understanding death a little bit more. And she's asking about, like, well, when I get older, I guess I'll have kids and, but then I'll die, and then when I die, then nobody will, I'll just be gone and no one will remember me. And I was like, well, you know, we think that there's an afterlife. I explained that to her, but I was like, you don't die, though. Especially, like when you pass on your bloodline when you have children. There's something very important with this bloodline thing. And obviously the elites talk about this a lot, and our ancestors found it vastly important to talk about this. And I explained to her that, you know, in, in her blood right now runs my blood, her mother's blood, my parents blood, their parents blood, a very small fragment of it, but that is inside of you for sure. Like if, if we had pictures back then, I'm sure my daughter would look like, I don't know, some ancient relative that I've had at some point. Because they just kind of repeat, you know, that these genes repeat themselves. But something about that is like living on in you, physically in you, in your blood, in your DNA. What you are, what constitutes you. So when you're talking about the past life, I want to hear a little bit about that. When you're talking about the past life regression, it's like, is that me or is that something that has been passed down to me? Because these traits are innate in us, you know.

[Sean]

Right. We've gotten to the point where we believe that scientifically speaking, you can pass down genetic memory. Was that the only kind of memory that can. It. It has to be genetic? Well, what if it's a locality? What if you're born close to a place where a situation. I don't know. But I definitely am not dismissing any of that.

[Jonathan]

So I would, I just looked it up. Just out of curiosity. But when we're talking about blood, you know, like. So we already know that water holds memory. Right. And if you look at blood, I mean, so you have plasma in your blood, the plasma that is within your blood is 90 water. And you could technically just kind of look at blood as if it's kind of structured water. And maybe that's what holds the ancestral memories and stuff like that. Right, right. And so whenever you go into a, you know, you get hypnotized, you go to a past life regression and you're experiencing something that like you had no foreknowledge of. You never even thought about this before, but for some reason you're experiencing it as if, if not only as if you're there watching from the outside, you're experiencing it as if you are there experiencing that life in that moment. And, and it is so fascinating the details that come up from it. As a matter of fact, just the other day we had, we. I did a past life regression on this, on this girl named Asia. And it was so fascinating, dude, because there she was, she was like in this desert and she was looking out at a bunch of people and she was just standing there. And I asked her, you know, what she's wearing and stuff like that. And she named some of the jewel and, and you know, and, and what she's wearing in, in. She was wearing like this cufflink, like long style, like halfway upper forearm kind of bracelet thing. Right. And, and I was like, oh, can you describe that a little bit? And she goes, yeah, it's, it's gold. It kind of goes halfway up my arm. And, and, and also she was wearing like this crown, like a, she called it like a headpiece or something like that, but it's basically a crown. It was gold and it had like a red ruby at the top of it. And so anyway, long story short, she goes through this past life regression and she finds out that she's like, she's the daughter to this Egyptian king and so she's the princess. And then her parents, they end up passing the mantle onto her. So now she's the, she's the queen of this land, wherever she was. Right. And so we, we started looking up a little bit afterward. Now this, this is a young woman, like I think she was 20, 21, something like that, that. And we, we were asking her, you know, afterward, we, we started looking up the details and we looked up that very specific bracelet that she was mentioning in that past life. And sure as like it is Egyptian. Like it's an Egyptian piece of jewelry that she was wearing. And then we asked, you know, not to get into the tarot. But then we, you know, we, we found that, you know, she was wearing the gold crown with, with a red rube. And so we ended up pulling a tarot card. And would you believe it, it was the queen of, what was it?

[Unknown]

Pinnacles.

[Jonathan]

I believe the Queen of Pentacles. And that queen of pentacles that was pulled for that specific episode was wearing a, a gold crown with a bunch of red rubies all around it. We were like, what the hell is going on here? And, and so like, but there's lessons to be learned from these past life regressions.

[Unknown]

And that's the most, real quick not to cut you off, dude, as far as that goes. You know, we were talking about NPCs and, and, and such. You know, I feel like we, I feel like everyone's got a soul. You know, just in my experience as far as like not necessarily looking into the esoteric or into religion or into, you know, these interesting things that we seem to get into. I, I don't believe I didn't have a soul. I just wasn't looking at life the way I do now, you know, and so that's where we get back to the perspective thing. But as far as these past life regressions, and I could be wrong, I mean, what do I know? I don't think there's any way for, for either of us to fully know exactly what's going on with these. But I think at least the way I look at it is that these past life regressions are or could be just a life that we can look at. Not necessarily that it's your past life, you know, and that maybe was passed down somehow, but, you know, it was just a message or something that you needed to see. And so some people, maybe their life seems insignificant or, you know, but there's still something for us to learn from. And so these NPCs, you know, if you want to call them that, I feel like they're here essentially for, for everybody. They're. They're an essential piece of the puzzle.

[Jonathan]

Yeah, I'm 100. And I think that, you know, as far as people having past lives, because I can't tell you how many people have had a past life regression where they were Cleopatra or they were Queen. This. And that's what I was gonna say.

[Sean]

It seems like everybody, so many people are reincarnated royalty. Nobody is. Or not. I won't say nobody, but not very many people are reincarnated as a homosexual stable boy. You know, like, that's who I was in a past life. Not very famous, nobody liked me. Not a lot of work ethic either. Kind of a lazy bum. Also very gay. You know, it's like nobody's telling that story. A lot of people the opposite.

[Jonathan]

Let me actually interject, interject here because I think that what's going on is, is that the majority of these past life regressions that, you know, that you hear about, they're going to be the fantastical ones. But as somebody who administrates or who administers these, these sessions, I can tell you and, and Dolores Cannon had a, had a term for this back in the day too. She called them digging potatoes lives. Whereas basically just a boring old life. Maybe you were just a farmhand and you ended up, you know, like your, your parents were raising you and then you had kids of your own and there was nothing really spectacular. And I shouldn't.

[Sean]

Very funny terminology, digging potato lives, because I just imagine like, well, we're. Okay, fine, let's move on from that one. Where, where are you now?

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[Sean]

I'm still in the field.

[Jonathan]

Yeah, they're just a little bit older or maybe they had kids or, you know, my back hurts.

[Sean]

My back hurts now. It didn't hurt before. My back definitely hurts now, but I'm still digging potatoes up.

[Jonathan]

Yeah. Yeah, basically. And, and, and you'll get a little bit of that, you know, and, and, and I think that I would say probably half of the sessions that are just digging potatoes lives where nothing really special was going on. They can only imagine. Maybe they got a windmill in their yard, maybe they got a couple of donkeys, maybe they got some chickens they need to tend to or whatever. But the, the lesson lies within the story, not so much about what's going on within material reality. So how's your relationship with your mother in this? How's your relationship with your kids? Was there something, some kind of accident that happened to you in this life? And what's even crazier is, is that we take them all the way from point A. They, you know, wherever they are in their lives, that they jump to all the way to the end. So we go through the death process. And that is probably the most fascinating part about a past life regression in general. Because what they experience after their life is like, all right, so I died. Okay, where are you now? That's what I want to know. Like, are you vaulted somewhere else? Are you still around? Are you still in the body? Because the brain takes a little bit longer to stop working. Like, what's going on? And almost all of them, they all say, oh, I'm just floating above my body. I see it. I. I feel so free. I'm not sick anymore. Like, there's nothing wrong with me. I can, you know, float and fly like a bird and there's nothing burdening me. And, and stuff like that. And so, and then so we get the perspective like the, the. And that's why Dolores Cannon, she called it the higher self. Like, that's where you're trying to get a lot of this information from, is the higher self. And where that comes from is that whenever you die, you float above your body. And it's basically that perspective that you're looking back at. The. You're. You're basically rendering the, the ideas or basically all the things that happened to you. Why did they happen to you? Did you need to learn those lessons kind of thing?

[Sean]

I want to ask you this, okay? Which one do you think is. Is more likely in your experience, you know, dealing with these people, that the, the. The phrase or the word you is applicable here, meaning what are you doing, doing what, did what and then what happened to you next and where are you now? Or do we. Is it likely in some sort of state of mind, we can view lives that existed before ours? And does that necessarily mean it has to be us? And what does that even mean if it is us?

[Jonathan]

Well, you're looking at it through the eyes of that character. Whether that was you or if you're kind, you can call it, I don't know, you want to say remote viewing, however you want to look at that. It was a specific life that you needed to see and hear and feel in that moment. So, like, if somebody like you were kind of talking about earlier, you don't want to go into a, into a mushroom trip, depressed, you know, like. And so if that's what you got going on in your life and you go to this, you know, you get hypnotized and you go to a past life regression, maybe you'll see that maybe you were alive during the Great Depression or something like that. And it kind of aligns and it'll teach you and it shows you that because it's trying to teach you how to get up out of this depressive funk. And that's really the biggest thing.

[Sean]

Like, you know, wonder if that's even a function thing like, like. I think that's really interesting because what if we do have the ability to view, you know, and, and you know, you'll see it from a person, a first person point of view. So for all intents and purposes, it's you in that moment. Your consciousness is there appearing through those eyes. And so what, I guess, what better way is there to describe you? You are the consciousness peering through the eyes of this, you know, corporeal form.

[Unknown]

So awareness, having that experience.

[Sean]

Right, right. So in that way, I could definitely See how you then becomes a functioning part of the conversation. Maybe it is something that we have the ability to do, and maybe it even makes sense that we would then be able to see or be shown potentially something that will help us through this very thing that we're experiencing now.

[Top Lobster]

Well, going on this, going by this kind of logic, like, what if it is all bloodline stuff? And, and you know, we were making jokes about people not having boring past lives. Some do. Maybe they just went down the wrong bloodline trail. But I think somewhere along the line, I mean, my real. I'm Puerto Rican, but some of my relatives are. Are from Germany. I mean, this. I. I could be related to just about anybody when, when you really extrapolated on a long enough timeline. So, sure, if. If a Kang or whatever was in my bloodline at some point, it's not unfeasible that, yeah, I, maybe I would have access to that. If I was. If I were to travel down this road, would I have access to someone else that is not in my bloodline? That's a.

[Jonathan]

Okay, so this is where it gets interesting. And this is where you start to try and figure out where is consciousness housed? Is it. Is it housed within our DNA? Is it in our brain? Is there. There some kind of compartment that allowed that, you know, the door opens up and allows us to see this, like, phenomenal type. There are a number of studies out there that, That I, I would, you know, say that they kind of prove that consciousness exists outside of the body. You know, we only have view of like 1% of the light spectrum and the way in which, you know, it's like your boy Tesla said, everything is energy, frequency, and vibration. Well, if that's true, then the frequency, the energy, and the vibration that we are experiencing in this physical reality is just that, like, we're. We have a hard time perceiving of what's in the ethereal realm. Like, we can't see WI fi. We know it's there, right? Like we. There's. We can't see, you know, a lot of different, you know, vibrations that are always happening all around you, and yet they're there and they're always working. And I would suggest, suggest that the spiritual world is no different, and your conscious is actually no different from that either. And so whenever you're pulling this stuff, some people say, all right, are you pulling it from what is called, or what is commonly called the Akashic records, which is basically just a library that houses all the information of everything that has ever existed? Is that A real place, probably not. But whenever you go into this line of thought, you have to kick logic out because logic is going to confuse you. You and I know that is like completely going against everything we've ever been taught in, in life, ever. Which is why kids are able to perceive a lot of this. They don't have that logic instilled in them yet. They don't know each other.

[Top Lobster]

This is what, this is what we were just talking about. It's like, yes, throw the logic out the window because you are now operating in a realm that's completely foreign to you. David said in the forest, I'd say more like the ocean, where like, whatever, if you believe in gravity, this doesn't even apply. Like, you can't walk in the ocean. This is. If you don't know how to swim, you're. Same thing is, is when we're dealing with this other spiritual realm, we have no clue what's going on there. We can't even begin to apply logic because it does, it just. It doesn't operate in the same way that we do here.

[Sean]

Logic might as well be a synonym for just navigating this physical.

[Jonathan]

Yeah, that is. Yeah.

[Sean]

Only this physical realm, because outside of that, like, I've heard something interesting of people that astral projector go to, like, different, you know, remote viewing and things. Things that actually your focus is what determines your ability to move forward in a, in a, in a location, if you're there in a corporeal form. So that would really you up. Right. Because you'd be trying to. And I've heard people describe that. It's like, yeah, you want to move, you can't move. I figured out you could move. If you just look at a particular spot long enough, eventually you'll be there. I'm like, that's a totally different modality than what we have here.

[Jonathan]

Well, and that's what happens within the past life regressions too. So if somebody is at a certain point in their life, let's say it's a Tuesday, and they're, I don't know, a Tuesday in March. And they just so happen to be 30 years old, for example. Right. What happens is, is that. All right, well, we've already experienced whatever there is is to experience within this scene. And, and, and like, so what we're gonna do is we're gonna fast forward and we're gonna fast forward through time and see whatever happens next. Something a day, that something is happening that is very important in this life that we're looking at. And it's always something, you know, it's, it's, it's evolved, right? Like, you know, just as you go in the future of any kind of life, you're going to see things that evolve. Maybe your kids get a little older, you get a little older, maybe your job changes or whatever. And, and it's, and it's crazy because all you have to do is just focus on that. You just think about that and you're vaulted toward this futuristic version of the life that you're, you're perceiving. And so. But everybody experiences something very different within past lives. Not all lives are even here on Earth, which is kind of crazy, dude. Like, like, I personally, I've had past life regressions where I was just like this watcher and I was like watching over this planet. And, and if the people knew that they could call on me, I could help them. But I couldn't help them unless they called upon me. And I got frustrated because people forgot who I was, was. And so I went over to who I thought was like the manager of whatever my job was, which was basically like this guy that was sitting in like a throne, like a, like a, like a game, a chair or a Game of Thrones chair style thing. Not necessarily with the swords, but you know what I mean? And, and he, like the big beard, he had one eye. I was like, oh, Odin, I guess, is monitoring this place, right? And, and I was like, look, you know, the people forgot that I can, that I can help them. You know, they forgot that, that I exist. They only see me as a myth. They don't. They don even know that I exist. I want to be able to help them. And he goes, all right, well, what's. Basically like, what's your, what's your plan with that? And I said, you know, I'd really want to be able to help them and just kind of like get like boots on the ground. I want to, I want to incarnate down there. And as soon as I said that Odin or whoever that character was, he took his staff, he placed one on this shoulder, on this shoulder. And then as soon as he touched my head, bang, I was coming out of a womb, like, as a baby. Craziest can happen in these things. But what's even crazier and like, look, I love the past lives. They're fascinating. Like, you can experience so much wild. But what's even the best part is, is that what I have, the people do that come to me for a past life regression. I have them write down a, like, A list of questions, five, 10 questions. And I just say, well, what questions? If you were in front of God. Let's just say, if you were in front of God, what are 10 questions that you'd want to ask them? Right? And which is basically she. Dolores, said that these are the questions that you're asking your subconscious or your higher self, yourself. And because that version of you, it's not in this 3D material reality, it's the higher version of you, essentially. And so we'll ask the questions and. Dude, the questions that have befuddled you and bewildered you and escaped you your entire life. I ask you this question whenever, you know your. Your past life has already gone through and you're still hypnotized. I asked you this question. You know it instantly. You know it like every single time. You already know what you're supposed to do. And so that's like the. The point is, is that we all kind of know what we're supposed to do because we all have that. That, you know, the kingdom of heaven within. We all have that God within, in a sense. And. I don't know, dude, it's fascinating.

[Sean]

Well, my camera's all screwed up, but that goes back to what I was telling you. Okay. There was spirit fingers, what I was talking about before with the whole tarot and. And clairvoyant or psychic experience. It's like a lot of the times it's about that you kind of already know.

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[Sean]

And maybe that statement doesn't resonate with a lot of people. And I would say that's only because whatever it is that's moving you, that's telling you you're not listening to it very, very much. Or maybe you have a tremendous amount of doubt. It's probably doubt and fear usually. Because I think what plagues us as human beings is within us. We do have a calling, but outside of us, our perception of our own selves is so limited and so negative in so many ways, right? Like if you have within you a calling, then it. It's almost automatic that your response will be who the am I? And that is totally the wrong way of looking at this. If you're burdened with too much who the am I? And too much doubt and too much fear, then you can't hear that thing at all. But if you can, if you're a little bit better at that, then I think you would find most of your interactions with clairvoyance or tarot card readers are only telling you that you're already hearing on the inside. You're just not. Not. Which is almost insulting because then you're allowing like I allowed a homosexual and a fez to tell me what I already knew. And it's like, damn, bro, like you already knew that. Why did you need to go to that guy?

[Unknown]

That's, that's almost insulting validation, I think. And when you are talking to the higher self, like you said, it's something you already kind of understand. But it's like, it's like when we have trouble taking advice from somebody else or taking our own advice rather, you know, but yet it's so easy to give someone else advice. And so, so talking to the higher self is almost yourself giving yourself advice. And then it's so much easier to be like, oh, that's something I told myself. So obviously that's something that I probably should listen to.

[Jonathan]

And a lot of people get in their own way because of that thing that is always talking to you, inside of you. And, and, and I think that it kind of stems from, you know, maybe your childhood, maybe you were. You rebelled against your parents. And so like there's this thing that you have against your dad because he was just an asshole your who always telling you what to do. But that thing in your mind, you perceive it as it telling you something to do. So you're like, you know what? I'm not going to listen to you. Just like I didn't listen to my dad. And so now this guiding spirit or whatever that is inside of you always trying to lead you in the right way, you perceive it as your dad. And that's why you got A lot of people who like, turn to be like drug addicts or they, or whatever, the, the, the, the, the, the black narrow road that nobody wants to go down. Like, like, that's, I feel like that's kind of born whenever you don't listen to that intuitive part inside of you, you know, because you label it as something else other than yourself.

[Sean]

It's, it's a hard thing to navigate because I do believe, like, as soon as you start talking like, I don't know, like a, like a, what's the guy's name that was on Joe Rogan's? Terence Howard. As soon as you start talking like Terence Howard, I'm like, you need to be grounded in reality. You got to humble yourself a little bit. And I am a huge advocate of humbling myself. It's why I constantly refer to myself as a. And I, and, and there's like, there's got to be this way to like, know that that's true. In one hand you ain't. But on the other hand, you're here for a reason and you have a job or mission to execute, and that's very difficult, it's very difficult to juggle those two. And, and I think that that probably is meant to be juggled. You're not supposed to forsaken that thing that grounds you and says, like, hey, this is not all about you. You, because you're a fallible who's easily corrupted. But also, don't get it twisted, you're special when you're here for a reason. And it's very important that you do what you were put here to do.

[Top Lobster]

I'm super stuck on this idea. It's just a fascinating rabbit hole to go down and really chew on. Obviously the name of the show here is Nephilim Death Squad. So the story of the Nephilim, Genesis 6, 4. Well, it's the fallen angels. They come, they, they reproduce with the, the human females, thus creating the Nephilim. Nephilim create the Raphaim, so on and so forth, the gibberim. And there, you know, there's classifications that get smaller eventually to the point where, I mean, there's, there's different schools of thought on the seed war type of thing, which kind of reminded me as well, with your little seed in the, in your mouth, turning that DNA into yours and then planting it. It's the same story, story over and over. But I, I, one of the schools of thought is that like, well, you know, the Nephilim DNA is so mixed up, or the fallen Angel DNA is so mixed up within humankind that it almost doesn't matter anymore. But if I'm thinking about this, this idea of past life regression and for some reason my brain just can't get off these, like their railroad tracks. And your blood, blood is the railroad track to where you can visit. And what you have, what you're able to contact all the way back down. Well, so God being the creator, so you can always get back to that. But if your bloodline is mixed with xyz, some sort of fallen angel, some sort of whatever, I mean, you can probably come in contact with that stuff as well. I think that that's genetic. I think that that is directly in line. And there's a lot of these things. But it also brings up this racist thought of mine where I'm like, should we be race mixing?

[Sean]

It puts us.

[Top Lobster]

It's. It's I. It's kind of. But it, it puts us in like, all right, like, like this, this idea of predictability. Like I kind of know what my ancestors here, what kind of bullshit I was dealing with, what they were dealing with. We understand the deities that we came.

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I've now spread my genes to the other side of the world and they have their own set of that goes all the way back to their fallen angel and then their God, the God above that. And it's like, damn, we're making things very confusing this night. This idea for diversity, this push, the push for diversity is almost like if what I'm saying Is true. What I'm theorizing is true. The push for diversity is diabolical because it really doesn't let you get a footing on where the hell you came from. Even if you went to a past life regression, imagine it. Imagine a person, I don't know, a mix, a mixed race person. You have a black and a Chinese person. You apply, you do a past life regression. They are getting from, you know, Mao's dynasty or from the, you know, some kind of ancient Chinese dynasty. They can get progression, a regression from that or you can get something from ancient Egypt. It's like this is kind of up, bro. Where do I come from?

[Jonathan]

From?

[Top Lobster]

What am I doing here? Am I being bukkaked by my ancestors and the ancestors of the world? Should, should we have like stayed in. I don't know. I don't know.

[Jonathan]

I understand that logical mindset though. I, I do understand that. But the thing is, you know, bringing it back to Plato, if everything emanates from the One and everything emanates from God, everything is God, then does it even matter? You know, if you're like interbreeding with races and stuff like that? If so my son is definitely. Because he's half white and half Brazilian.

[Sean]

Oh yeah. My kid is a million different things. He's totally.

[Top Lobster]

But look is a mix of. It's just a mutt. A mix of disgusting worst things.

[Sean]

So, so this is worth mentioning here. Azazel in the book of Enoch had his eye removed for his rebellion and he was Awach watcher. Which is fascinating because I, I look at all these different entities, Norse mythology and everything. I don't think that they're not real. I think they're very real. I think they just get different names through different cultures. And I just find that a very fascinating correlation. Right. Because Odin obviously has his one eye that he gave up for, for information, for wisdom, for knowledge is why Odin gave his eye up. And, and you know, so my, my theory is always like these Greek pantheons, north Norse pantheons, they are of these one third of, of, of angels that were cast out of heaven, the watchers. And also of, of Lucifer's rebellion. But yeah, he, he had his eye removed and he was one of the watchers, which is a lot of fun. So in that experience, I'm not saying that that's what you're, I'm not going to define.

[Jonathan]

Maybe it was.

[Top Lobster]

I don't know who the knows.

[Sean]

I, it just like, you know, right. I knew it, it rang bells at me. So the idea that you were, were A watcher among the watchers. And then, and that was a lot of the plight of the watchers too, was that they were, you know, looking and observing, but not being able to interact or not being called on or whatever. So the idea that you would then turn to Odin, which I think your interpretation of it being Odin is spot on. I don't think that's wrong at all. But I just wonder if Odin is, is interchangeable with Azazel. In fact, what I would then suspect is, is could you find out what Azazel gave to the people when he, when he fell. Right, because they, they always give you something metallurgy, whatever the hell the thing is. And does that correlate with what Odin would have given his followers as far as knowledge goes? I, I wonder.

[Jonathan]

But the way that I interpreted that, like whenever I was seeing what I thought was Odin, I kind of looked at him like if you're looking, if you ever worked in a restaurant, right? Like I kind of saw myself as maybe I was like a front of house manager and I saw Odin as the general manager, but like yes, yes, yes, God would be the owner, right?

[Sean]

Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jonathan]

Middle management at that point.

[Sean]

Dude, I think you're crushing it too with that analogy. Because I, I, I've become very comfortable with the idea that the systems that we as human beings put in place on this realm that we inhabit are not new. Nothing is new under the sun. Done. These systems, because we're made in their image, are ones that we emulate from them. We don't know it, it's intuit it or whatever. On a spiritual level it's ingrained in us, whether it's genetically or just part of our creation process. But I don't think, I think I used to be very much against the idea that heavenly realms would be anything that we could discern by comparison of our reality. And now I'm not so sure. I think that the systems, especially the systems, especially the judicial systems and things like that that we put in place place are not new. They are just our own version of something that already exists on, on high. It's the same thing when you look at the fractal nature of reality as above. So below from the micro to the macro, you can find the Fibonacci sequence, you know, on a, on a pine cone and on a microscopic level as well. I think that same thing goes for systems. So I think that we would find that. And I also think that I used to be very against the idea of like God having any aspect of him that would be comparable to us. Meaning like a man. I used to scoff at the idea of like a man in the cloud. I would say certainly that's not what's going on. And I don't think that there's like a man in the clouds. But I'm like, if I were to ever be able to look upon God in, in any version of, of when I pass away or anything, I don't think I would be surprised to find that he bears resemblance to us in any. Or we bear resemblance to him. Him. And maybe I'd only be able to look upon one aspect of him or something like that. But that some aspect of God is very, very relatable. Even, Even I think in, in God, fatherhood is very related. Like, I, I began to understand a little bit more where I used to scoff at things, Biblical notions. And then I look at them now from the point of view of a father, and I'm like, that checks out. Never had that perspective before. So I don't know, man. It's just, I look at that and I think whatever your experiences were, especially when that, when in that one, I think that is probably. That's not in any way, shape or form. I, I genuinely believe. I don't think that's even like a. I don't know what you saw, but you saw something and it's pretty cool.

[Jonathan]

Yeah, it was super cool. And I think that, you know, and I try not to get too hung up on, oh, I was a watcher or I was a God or I don't get hung up on that. No.

[Sean]

But I do think in those experiences, your impression counts for a lot. Whatever you intuit, whatever you feel about that, I think that counts for a lot. I mean, especially in a realm where you don't have a, a pen and a pad and a microscope to examine things on a, on a, on a minutiae level. Your impression is what you intuit is, is about the most information you're going to get there besides what you see.

[Jonathan]

Well, and that's kind of what I was thinking too, is that, you know, I'm, I'm looking down at the people that forgot about me. I mean, look at a lot of people today, but there's a lot of people today are not spiritual at all. They don't even want to get into any of this because they have this worldview of reality. They're like, you know, you're kind of just giving in to the physical nature of this reality and you're not so much focused on the spiritual aspect. And there's one thing that I do want to relay on that. We actually, we had this guy on Banks, what was his name? Sean?

[Unknown]

Oh, Optimistic Banks.

[Jonathan]

He's like a rapper out of California. But basically this guy, he came on the show and he was like, you know, a lot of people, they, they have dreams, right? And then they, they try and figure out what it means because dreams are weird. So you go to a dream interpreter and in that dream interpretation you'll be like, oh, okay, so that's what that meant, whatever. Right. Well, what we found out is, is that you can also apply that same concept to reality. So if something crazy happens to you in this reality, then you'll be able to put that instance into a dream interpretation. Or you, you can check out the symbology of it or whatever and you can find. All right, well what is this, what is this trying to teach me? Almost like going through the dream interpretation. And so I actually did one earlier for my wife and she, you know, we, we have a two year old son and her heart breaks every time we drop him off at the daycare, right? Because he's like, mama, mama, don't leave me. He's obsessed with his mother. Full on mama's boy. And so I was like, all right, well I'll just use that as an example. And I said all. There's actually this website called Dream Dream Printer, like Dream Interpreter, but it's a dream printer and it's basically like an AI that deciphers your, your dreams and you know, gets the, the meaning of it. And just out, out of the example I just typed in, my baby is crying for his mama every time I drop him off at a daycare. And the dream interpretation, I don't need to read the whole thing, but it says your dream about your baby crying for his mama every time you drop him off at a daycare is a reflection of your own feelings of separation anxiety. As a new parent, it is natural to feel worried and guilty about leaving your child in the care of others. Your subconscious mind is processing these emotions and manifesting them in your dream. The crying baby represents your own inner child. So you got kind of like you can apply that in like many different ways basically. My point is, is that like the nature of our reality, we, we're, we're starting to kind of understand it in the tiniest ways possible. And one of the ways you can start to understand just how vast it all is is by looking into past life regressions and near death experiences. Not necessarily to say well, this is the absolute truth. That's the absolute truth. But just understand that like one thing they all have in common. Almost every single time somebody had a near death experience, they almost all say, I'm no longer worried of death, I'm no longer scared of death. And I'm, I'm like connecting more to my spiritual side because that's what I experienced on that side. It was a very spiritual thing in nature. We weren't talking with mouths, we weren't working with our body. Everything was just of the mind in a sense.

[Unknown]

And, and also, you know, with, with the psychedelic experiences and, and, and these near death experiences, people have also said that that that place, whatever they're experiencing there felt more real. Yeah. So if you can experience something outside of this reality that feels more real, then you could look into the dream interpretation as if this is, you know, life is but a dream. You know what I mean?

[Sean]

And so, I don't know, that resonates with me. I think that given the, the, the, the lifespan of a human being, you know, barely kissing a hundred years, whatever is on the other side of this is far vaster. And, and, and, and you spend a lot more time there than you do here. This is, this is probably something that once we gain a little bit of insight, we'll realize was a blip on the radar. And I do think it's very important what we do here. I'm not saying that, I'm not saying that to just diminish it, but I could very.

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[Sean]

Much imagined that wherever we go here would be perceived as far more real than what we're currently inhabiting, right? And that's Something that you hear a lot from, from near death experiences in particular, but also visions and dreams, names people will, will describe, going to places. It's, I think that we say it a lot. It's like we've been stripped of our understanding of the spiritual realm here in the West. And that makes all of these conversations are incredibly important to have because otherwise we are completely in the dark in, in a realm that is much larger than the physical realm and that is incredibly dangerous if we are to believe that anything thing inhabits it at all. Just because from your baseline, if you have no idea of, of spiritual realms and religion and things like that, if you go, okay, there is a spiritual realm, okay fine, there are things that inhabit. The very first question you have to ask as a human being is like what are their nature? And we have no idea. It's, it's, it's hugely detrimental. So conversations like this are as much as it's fun because we're all, we, we love this information and we love trying to understand and, and we have a passion for the truth and we're trying to all the time. I don't think it's, I don't think you can downplay the actual importance of it because as of right now we have no map. And I guess a lot of us are trying to figure out that map and, and we have to bring it in for a landing because we're, we're beyond the, the two hour mark. But I do want to say that it is interesting to me that Azazel taught metallurgy specifically in the way of sword swords, shields and armor. And that's exactly what Odin did as well. Very interesting. Yeah. These are things that, because you know, and, and when you have a different, like, like let's say a pagan mythology, they will often attribute their, you can call them like technologies, right? Like, like agriculture is a form of technology. Oftentimes these pagan mythos will attribute their technologies to having been gifted to them. So Odin gifts people many things, blessings and, and things of that nature, but specifically armor and swords and the knowledge on how to make them. And Azazel taught human beings how to make sword shields. He taught metallurgy specifically, uh, and in particular metallurgy surrounding instruments of war. And so that doesn't necessarily mean this is all just wild speculation by a schizophrenic person, but you know, it's like either what we have here is a repeating character which other characters will have like, like let's say Nimrod to Gilgamesh to Osiris, seem to be the same character, especially when you look at Nimrod and, and Gilgamesh. I mean, I'm sorry, Nimrod and Osiris and that happens to a lot of entities. You can kind of find their parallels in, in different cultures. So I, I find that fascinating, but we gotta, we gotta bring it in for a landing. Guys, is there any final thoughts on that or, or do we want to do our plugs?

[Jonathan]

I, you know, I just wanted to say, you know, thank you guys so much for coming onto the show. We really appreciate the opportunity. Meta Mysteries, you know, we just started a little over a year ago and we're slowly finding our way. You know, there's a bunch of things that we're learning on the go. And, and so if you're interested in any, any kind of that esoteric, mythological, deeper understanding of oneself kind of stuff, that's what we offer. Three times a week. Monday, Wednesday and Friday. We have all the shows available for free on the podcast. If you can check out Spreaker, iHeartRadio, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, wherever you listen to your podcast past. We're, you know, over 220 episodes, whatever we're at now, and it's vast. I mean, you can, you know, scroll down the list there. They're all over the place. But they're all, you know, kind of teaching us a little something spiritually that's, that's all we're really trying to, to understand really, so that if you're, if you're somebody that wants to, you know, would rather watch the video. We do have a Patreon. We don't post anything to YouTube. They, they are anti free speech, so we don't play around over there. There. Yeah, YouTube sucks. Yeah, yeah, no doubt. So we do have a Patreon. It's patreon.com metam mysteries. That link is always in the show notes of all of our shows. We have Instagram at Meta Mysteries. You want to come check us out over there. And if anybody out there has had a wild, weird experience, maybe you got visited by an alien or you had some kind of trippy psychedelic experience, or there's some kind of spiritual understanding that we haven't heard before for you're always welcome to come over on our show and share that knowledge and yeah, yeah, we appreciate you guys.

[Unknown]

Yep. Thank you guys for, for having us on here on your beautiful podcast. And I really appreciate your guys's how you guys look at the world and, and I think that's what we're all Here for, you know, it's an experience. We're all supposed to experience each other and, and uh, find out what we have in common, you know.

[Top Lobster]

Well, yeah, no race mixing.

[Sean]

No, that's right, guys. No race mixing. No guys. Thank you so much for your, for your time and, and you know, to the audience, it just goes to that old thing that we're always talking about. A lot of people get your support. They probably don't deserve it. And those people are on the world stage. They're rich and famous. You're buying their Nikes. You're doing all that other crap. You know, you're watching halftime shows, you're watching their halftime shows. Maybe consider somebody that you know is actually pursuing the truth and isn't just some media puppet, Right? Support those people you actually enjoy. Otherwise, I think that's it. Top, you got anything?

[Top Lobster]

No. Again, Jonathan, Sean, thank you for coming on, man. This is another. It's just, it's always fun because like we kind of like, like we go back and forth and we, I, I get. My brain really gets to delve into places that I wouldn't have otherwise.

[Sean]

It's like a big think tank.

[Jonathan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So much fun.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Talking to you and Jacob. We're now showing like some of my favorite people. So thank you for coming on. It's been Monday. It's been a long day, bro, but we're done. And we're back tomorrow with I think Crow77. So come check us out. And until then, don't forget to obey, submit and comply. See ya.

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