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Top Lobster (2:03)

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All right.

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Top Lobster (3:14)

All right. Joining us today is Greg Carlwood of the Higher side Chats. Greg, for the audience who may not be familiar with you, where can they find your work and what is it that you focus on?

Greg Carlwood (3:24)

Hey, fellas, thanks for having me. I do a podcast like everybody else, and I've been doing mine since 20.

David Lee Corbo (3:32)

Oh, sorry.

Greg Carlwood (3:34)

Creates quite a big archive. And I started calling it a conspiracy show. Sure. But that term, I use it pretty broadly. We get into occult stuff, paranormal stuff, all the crossover consciousness. What even is life? What even is this place we live, all the fun stuff, all the ways we're being screwed and this and that.

Top Lobster (3:59)

Greg, how did you. What did you start off wanting to talk about? Because I. I know, like, the. The conspiracy community, our talking points have really been pulled out into the. The public eye in a big way. Right. Where, like, we used to be Internet sleuths looking through these, like, you know, kind of obscure corners, researching this and reading that. And then over time, I think what ends up happening is we set out to ask questions and we end up creating a puzzle, and we're putting it together in real time. Now. That puzzle is pretty consistent across all these different shows, Right? All these different conspiracy podcasters. But it doesn't sound like it was. I mean, it certainly wasn't always that way. What did you set out to talk about?

Greg Carlwood (4:39)

Yeah, it's really hard to go back to 2010 and my early 20s and really put yourself in the space of what the Internet was like, what conspiracy culture was like at that time. And it's funny because one of the guys I've had on more than anyone else is Gordon white. He runs runesoup.com and he lives in Australia. He came out here and we did a live event In High Springs at High Springs Brewing Company. And the topic was the conspiracy canon. Like, what are the boxes? One must check to call themselves a conspiracy theorist now compared to then. And it's crazy because it used to be, well, I don't trust the CIA, the assassinations, the coups, the John Perkins economic hitman type of stuff. 911, if you want to bring it up to that point in the timeline. But it was JFK, UFOs, 911, and that was it. And now it's like, you don't believe in germs. The earth is flat. Tataria, Antiquatech, all of history is a lie. Nephilim are all around us. It has definitely shifted. And it's a little weird because there was a point right around Flat Earth where I was like, oh, my gosh, I'm used to having the most outrageous views of anyone I've ever met. Now people are like, hold my beer. The earth is flat. And you know that. I think, as we talked about, in that event, the Internet is kind of predisposed. Like, it's set up for an attention economy, so the most outrageous thing gets the attention. So it set up conspiracy podcasters to kind of look for the most outrageous thing for the clicks. You want to be first, and you want to be the most over the top. And I kind of resisted that. I'm not often first. I try to. And instead of being first, I try to get a guest who can make the most thorough point about, let's say, a current event or something. Because, as we know, when something happens, there's an immediate dust up, and then more information comes out, like the Luigi story. You know, more information comes out as it goes. People then find, like, eight days later, hey, this was a plot line in the X Files. You know, a lot of weird stuff happened. So I don't ever want to put out a show about a topic too soon. And then I hear something the next day, I'm like, God damn it, that show's done. Now I'm not gonna, you know, do it again, just to add that one little bit. But, yeah, it really just has changed. In the beginning, when I started the show, there was really only a couple of places to get conspiracy content. There was obviously Alex Jones, but I didn't like his tone. I always thought that Alex Jones kind of filled a role of creating the archetype of the conspiracy person. I mean, you can hear me talking. I'm not really that of that personality type. And I was like, why can't we talk about these things? Just calmly, without yelling and screaming.

David Lee Corbo (7:44)

That's crazy, Greg. Why would you do that?

Greg Carlwood (7:46)

I know, but when I saw him on the View, this is obviously a long time ago, but when I saw him on the View, that is where it just kind of clicked for me that the reason he fills that role is so that when the women of the View want to say, hey, we get all opinions. He's the go to token conspiracy guy for mainstream media. And then he comes on yelling, screaming, vein popping out of his neck, and they're like, whoa. And it kind of subliminally says to people, don't go down this road because this is what it does to your brain. We know there's an association with schizophrenia, with paranoia, and I think that is a fear tactic to keep people from looking in rabbit holes. Just like they say, you know, don't take lsd, you'll think you can fly and jump out of the 10th story window of a hotel. Yeah, someone does it, you know, some guy somewhere cut off his dick on lsd, but it's probably not going to be the thing that happens. So I felt like that was a fear tactic to keep people away from conspiracy by just looking at Alex Jones. That's the role he filled, in my opinion.

Top Lobster (8:55)

You know, he's very entertaining. And so I kind of. I grant some levity to that whole really aggressive way of talking and screaming. And you get those awesome clips where he's talking about coming to, you know, demolish the deep state and interdimensional child molesters and psychic vampires and everything. And it is very entertaining. But now the. It's shifted in such a way where you're talking about 2010, what the Internet was like back then. We had these really far and few in between, but consolidated sources for conspiracy theory information. Now we're getting like, we're in conspiracy heyday. And what that has done is it's muddied the waters quite a bit. But it's very fun if you're. If you're into what we're into, right, which is researching these topics and everything, I got into this for a love of information and a love of truth. And so despite the chaotic environment that we find ourselves in, which is very much like information warfare, Right, we're sure you can liken there was something that you were talking about. Oh, the Luigi Mangione story. And afterwards it was almost something akin to like the fog of war, right. Where like the information just hasn't settled yet. You don't know what the truth is. There's a lot of disinformation going around. Right now we're in that. It's like we're in a big conspiracy scuffle. And there's. We've kicked up all sorts of dust and smoke and it's very hard to see, you know, the forest through the trees right now. We don't necessarily know what we're looking at, but it's a fun time. And during that time, Alex Jones, despite almost losing his entire empire for the Sandy Hook thing, and, you know, I don't even know what, they sued him to the tune of 300 million gajillion dollars and he's still kicking. And then they were gonna take Infowars, you know, he's doing a live stream of that where it's like, any minute now, they're gonna kick in the door and they're gonna seize my assets and he's still doing the damn thing. It's a really weird time, especially probably for you, Greg, having been in this as long as you have. You've seen the stark kind of cold and quiet days, and now we're, we're reaching a density where like, it's real hot in here and it's real chaotic.

Greg Carlwood (10:56)

Yeah. And I, I do have a sense of humor about things. I don't want to come off as, like, completely humorless, but the Alex Jones archetype, for me, I can just deal with it and overlook maybe some of these aspects of it that I don't like personally and digest the material just fine. But I know the people who watch the View. They're my mom, my aunt, you know, they can't handle that kind of personality type and I know how it looks to them, so it's not really, you know, about me, but you're ready to make an impact.

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Greg Carlwood (12:10)

I guess just to wrap a bow around that first point is like back in 2010, there was red Ice Radio, Alex Jones, coast to coast am. Coast to Coast AM has commercials every five minutes. And they never get deep because they always have to recap where they were after the last commercial break, which takes four minutes. And the commercial break comes around in eight. Eight minutes again. So that was frustrating because I'd hear people. I'm like, oh, man, this guy's really cooking with gas. But he just can't get the fire started. I think maybe if I tried to do this with no ads, we might be able to get a lot deeper. And, you know, without the Alex Jones tone, without the ads. And then Red Ice Radio just kind of, like, decided they were alt right. Like, and I don't even throw that label around. They say that. They say we are alt right. And I just thought that was strange because they had so much great content in the early days. You got to be outside of the paradigm. You got to be, you know, completely independent, I would think so. I thought it was a weird pivot to just associate yourself with half of the political spectrum. But, yeah, obviously they made a calculated move that I think paid off because conspiracy is, like, the party platform for the right now. I also think it's weird that there's been that shift. I grew up liberal. I just think I was a counterculture person. So I grew up in Missouri, and I was like, I'm going to be a liberal atheist, because these are the two things that get under the skin of all these people around, and I'm just an angsty, rebellious kid. And, you know, then back then, I really thought, like, a lot of the conspiracy people were liberals because we're looking at the Bushes, we're looking at Skull and Bones. We're looking at 9, 11. I'm like, these are the bad guys, the oil men, you know, and it's still kind of true. But then since. Since that time, the last decade has been all culture war stuff, and it's been all trans kids. And, you know, obviously I don't have to list everything. It's all these kind of shows talk about, mine self included. But there's definitely been a massive shift. And as you mentioned, some of these positions get mainstreamed. Flat Earth and QAnon and Pizzagate, you know, all these things became mainstream to mock us. It's just like the satanic panic. Like, that was a real thing. There's still people out there talking about the. The terrible stuff they saw and had happened to them at that time. But the media blows it up and says, look at all these people. Freaking out. You know, maybe the dial should be at 8, but they turn it up to 11 to make it seem ridiculous, because if you can't hide it, the only thing you can do is ridicule it. And I think that's kind of what happened with Q. I think flat earth has become a thing where, you know, I have a contentious relationship with flat earthers. We agree about everything up to a certain point. That's 95% of the game. Can't we come together and say that we agree about 95 of things? Why do I have to check that last box? If I don't check that last box, I'm. I'm just basically Jimmy Fallon to these people. You know, it sucks that there's no nuance in the scale of where we are, but even if the Earth is flat, you also have to get into the mind of the normal person. And a lot of material, a lot of crimes and scandals are suppressed and hidden because they hear flat earth and they turn off. That's strategic. You know, we're dealing with intelligence agencies. God damn it. Let's get intelligent.

Top Lobster (15:34)

Yeah, let's be.

David Lee Corbo (15:35)

Think about it. I homeschool my daughter. I homeschool my son as well, but he's not really there yet. And I'm like, what do I want to teach them about the Earth? What do I want to teach them about dinosaurs and shit like that?

Greg Carlwood (15:48)

Oh, I know.

David Lee Corbo (15:49)

And the best I've come up with so far is like, you know, they're like, earth is round. We're spinning through space. And I'm like, so, Yeah. I say, yeah, some people think that it's not. And I present that to them. I said, some people think it's like this. And they go, that's crazy, because, like, all the YouTube videos I've seen is around spinning ball through space. And I was like, yeah, just have, you know, an open mind that maybe. And, you know, like, same thing with dinosaurs. I was like, you know, maybe a lot of these fossils were just put together. They're cast molds. They might be dragons. We don't really know. But this is what we. What a lot of people think. I just tell them what people think, and then I let them go out there. Maybe I'm, like, destroying my kids. We'll find out in 10 years.

Top Lobster (16:30)

That's that thing about, like, agreeing with that community 95% of the way. But then there's that remaining 5% where it's like, I can admit, like, NASA is a very shady organization with shady beginnings and shady middle points. And. And shady ending points. And I can also admit, like, it's strange how every child's T shirt is a T. Rex inside of an astronaut's outfit. Like, I don't know why those things keep coming paired together. They. Yeah, they love feeding children that, and I recognize that. I see that as being strange. I'm always skeptical of what they feed kids, like, during the big LGBTQ movement, the height of it now, I'd say we're kind of, you know, we're. We're going on a downhill ride in regards to that cultural movement. But they really championed the unicorn, and the unicorn was like, the delivery method almost for, like, LGBTQ values into, you know, children's sphere of awareness. And you start looking into the unicorn, and it's sort of like biblical or ancient implications, because you start to look at as a. As a. As a symbol. What does a symbol of a unicorn mean? And then you find out that it's, like, associated with the Nephilim and the Antichrist and all kinds of strange shit. And I go, well, that's weird. And then I realized, like, now they're funneling the axolotl to children where the axolotl is part of, like, the transhumanism agenda. They're trying to figure out how to regenerate limbs, and they're using genetic material from axolotl to pull that off. And then at a time where that creature is at the cutting edge of, I don't know, health and longevity, let's say without getting too nefarious in the transhumanism thing, you were meant for this journey of change. So follow the Walden Wayfinder.

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David Lee Corbo (19:19)

Have you heard of the little season?

Greg Carlwood (19:21)

Oh God, the little season. Oh no, sorry. Before we unpack that. And maybe we'll need to talk off air about schooling since we are all local and I have a one year old and a three year old, but my three year old is in a pre K program and absolutely I've noticed the emphasis on dinosaurs and thought it was strange. Like why aren't you just, why am I seeing these pictures? Because I'll send you pictures through this app of your kid throughout the day. And it's like, why is she always playing with dinosaurs? Why not like a tiger or a giraffe or just some real animal? And they also recently, you know, they send a message, hey, the kids are going to eat a Chips Ahoy cookie as part of the archeological thing we're doing. So you know, they give her a little spoon thing and she digs out chocolate chips from a chocolate chip cookie. It's an archeological type of thing. And it's like again, why, why is this the main curriculum now? Who cares really what a three year old, four year old is, is doing? I mean we do plenty at home and she's great, but I just, yeah, I noticed that too. With my son now almost coming up on two years old, you go to Target, you're like, we just need a couple more T shirts. This kid's growing like a monster and it's all dinosaurs and astronauts and I, I'm crazy.

David Lee Corbo (20:43)

But I think it's a, there's an agenda to, to hide up a lot of this old world stuff. We're a believer in the idea of the nephilim, the giants that roam. Sure. I think, I think that they were more likely dragons than there were dinosaurs. So maybe some of these fossils that, that we're finding there are some kind of remnant of a dragon. I know biblically the dragon is mentioned a number of times. A dinosaur is not they, they mention a Leviathan sort of thing. So I'm like, it could possibly be something to obscure or hide up our, you know, hide our past. And if you get the kids when they're young, like When I was a kid, I wanted to be a paleontologist. That was my first occupation that I wanted to do. And then I found out that I was like, this is probably bullshit. So, yeah, you get them young, you get them in space, you get them with.

Top Lobster (21:32)

I feel like it almost started with millennials in a big way. Like we were or not millennials, you could say Gen X as well. But we were so moved by Jurassic Park. So moved by Jurassic park was huge. Yes.

Greg Carlwood (21:46)

Look at the people, look at the major directors in their corpus of material. And a lot of it is agenda based. And you know, you could fold that in as part of is strange, the dinosaur thing. My favorite angle on it is just that when they emerged in the culture, it was all about oil. It was like, well, this is how we get the oil. It comes from the dinosaur bones. So the is super, super limited. So that's why it's expensive. And that is pretty much debunked at this point. I think everybody kind of knows that. But it's like, it is interesting because when I first got down on the dinosaur thing, I was like, I. I don't know if I can buy this. And I'd start looking and there's shockingly few dinosaur skeletons out in the world. Like, if you look up how many T Rex skulls, complete skulls there are, it's less than 12, I think. I don't have the numbers in front of me. Yeah, we could look it up.

Top Lobster (22:44)

But yeah, the vast majority.

Greg Carlwood (22:45)

Low.

Top Lobster (22:46)

Yeah, the vast majority of them are. Are piece, piecemeal together. So it's like you'll have one bone and then they'll. There's. They'll surmise like the, the rest of the dinosaur based off of this one bone.

Greg Carlwood (22:56)

Yeah, I mean, I took my kids to Chicago to meet some family and we went to the museum and I ended up getting my son a onesie that was of. You know, I'm part of the problem. The T. Rex they have there called sue, and it's like, this is the most complete T Rex skeleton ever discovered. And it's only like 60, 70%. Think about a human skeleton. If you had to derive what a human was like based on 70% of the skeleton, you'd probably get a lot wrong.

Top Lobster (23:23)

Right.

Greg Carlwood (23:23)

But then you have Spielberg come in, clean up all that, say, these are the models, this is what they are. And then in the mental picture is fully formed, but it's not a real thing. So.

Top Lobster (23:34)

And then they move. They move the goalpost too. You could say that it's just the Nature of research, which, like, you know, I understand how that is. It's, it's a logical conclusion, but it's also unprovable. Right. It's one of those things that you can't disprove it or prove it. But the, the research has moved in such a direction now. I'm walking through Walmart the other day, and in the toy section, they have their dinosaur, but their dinosaurs are essentially just big birds now. They're just big birds. You know, they're all covered in feathers and they look insane. One of them had like three fingers, and on those fingers were just impossibly long nails. And I'm looking at this thing and I'm like, this is functionally, it doesn't make any sense as an animal. And I know we have things like that. Like, you look at a platypus and you'd be like, I don't understand. I don't understand.

Greg Carlwood (24:19)

How does that thing get through the day?

Top Lobster (24:21)

Yeah, yeah, there's. I'll give it to. There's certain things you look at and I'm like, that's, that's strange to me. But I mean, if you follow Owen Benjamin, he's convinced me pretty well to entertain the idea that pandas are, are not a naturally occurring thing in the, in the wild and that this is something that was made in a lab and is otherwise useless. If you look at them, they're, they're completely idiotic. They can't exist in the wild. They have no defense mechanisms whatsoever. They're, they're young and, and they're old are completely, they're, they're, they're goofy. They're goofy. They tumble over, they fall down constantly. They, they're like an animal that doesn't seem to actually exist in the wild.

Greg Carlwood (24:57)

And I had not heard this, but it is fitting that it would be the logo for the World Wildlife Fund.

Top Lobster (25:02)

Yes, yes. So. So Owen's contention is basically. Yeah. That they invented it at some point. And then because there's no historical mentions of panda bears beyond like the 60s or something like that, like, if you go prior, simply does not exist.

Greg Carlwood (25:15)

And, you know, China owns them all and loans them to American zoos and.

Top Lobster (25:19)

They'Re all in captivity, like, you know, virtually all in captivity. And then I guess if there are any out in the wild, they've been like, released to, to do. What I will give people is we've been lied to at such a scale that I, I really don't fault anybody. And that goes to my, my flat earth homies or Anywhere in between. Even the people that are, you know, into the little season or whatever, which, you know, is a whole nother bag.

Greg Carlwood (25:43)

Bring that up. I want to know more about.

Top Lobster (25:44)

So the little season is this idea that many people within the Christian community believe that we're at like the, the just before the tribulation begins, right in the book of Revelation. Just based off of like it looks like biblical prophecy is unfolding around us. You have like the drying of the Euphrates, etc, and so there's a lot of things that point to this moment in time being, you know, right before the tribulation. But the little season people believe that what we're actually in is after the tribulation, after the return of Jesus Christ and after his like thousand year old. Although that is contentious to the idea.

David Lee Corbo (26:19)

Sorry to derail you, David, but this is a while ago China Zoo forced to admit one of their pandas is a dog. After started bar. Yeah, they just painted it.

Top Lobster (26:27)

Like painted the dog.

Greg Carlwood (26:29)

Wow. Yeah, I think that's obviously a fucking dog.

Top Lobster (26:34)

That's a.

Greg Carlwood (26:35)

Nobody's getting fooled by that.

Top Lobster (26:37)

You know why?

David Lee Corbo (26:37)

That's how fake this shit is. Like, yeah, like we could barely even make. They can't get them to reproduce because they're too stupid to.

Greg Carlwood (26:43)

If it makes money. If it makes money, it doesn't have to make sense.

Top Lobster (26:46)

That's right.

David Lee Corbo (26:46)

Amen.

Greg Carlwood (26:47)

Got a scam going. They have a million dollar scam.

Top Lobster (26:50)

They have a real hard time reproducing. So they're like, I guess we need dogs now. I don't know. I guess. But so, so the idea is that Jesus Christ already came and already reigned for whether it's a thousand years or the terminology millennial reign is, is not strictly a thousand years doesn't matter. A really long time. And then what happens is after Jesus reigns for all that time, Satan is, is loosed again on, you know, on the, on humanity. And it's like this final test of humanity in so many ways before, you know, the big final battle comes. And so I give those people a lot of credence because what ends up happening is you look around at all this like weird evidence of, of entire empires and they don't like when you call it Tartaria, but that's what it's become colloquially known as. Sure, they say that Tartaria are actually the remains of the millennial kingdom. And to their credit, I recognize that some of the architecture that not only exists within the Tartaria model, but also exists during like the dark ages.

Greg Carlwood (27:51)

Right.

Top Lobster (27:51)

When you're talking about these cathedrals that are unbelievable. And their windows are somehow a physical representation of the harmonics that would play from like the organs inside those cathedrals. Right.

Greg Carlwood (28:04)

Cathedral and cathode are basically, you know, similar words. So I think they did well up energy from these brass crosses at the top peak. And we know that pyramid shapes well up energy. You don't even need to have moving parts. Just a pyramid frame over a plant will make it grow better than one without. It's odd. It's a reality. So when people say in ancient times, before they had all this machinery or anything, they were playing with energies, it's like. Well, yeah, because it doesn't take industrialization to even do that. Really? Yeah, they made it pretty great. That too. It's a. It plays on your consciousness in multiple different ways. Yeah, I agree with that. The pipe organ, the psychedelic windows, stained glass. Yeah, it's a. It's a consciousness altering machine. A cathedral.

Top Lobster (28:55)

And it seems to me like we can't recreate that now just given our current state of architecture and like the reductive materialism, like the way that we. Everything is. What would you call it? Like there's a modernization, but that's not quite the word when you reduce everything to like cubes and spheres. Right. It's not like I forget what the terminology is, but it's so without detail. It's so without like ornate decadence and beauty. It's just this reductive, simplistic cube and sphere model that we build everything with. And then of course, nothing that we build has any longevity to it either. But these cathedrals that supposedly were erected during the Dark Ages where we were intellectually and spiritually suppressed, we can't even recreate them, dude, they're all believable.

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That's it.

Top Lobster (30:48)

That's it. You know what I want to ask you? I know you said you started off looking at these things that are tangible, right? Your 9 11s and things like that. And of course we've moved into the realm of like, really, the supernatural has found its home in the conspiracy narrative here in 2025. It's not so obtuse to mention these things. Where do you fall, Greg, on our homies, the reptilians?

Greg Carlwood (31:13)

Well, I think reptilians are probably more complex. It is probably a bloodline. I don't know if I believe that there are reptilian looking people that shape shift now. I think they might be people in. There might be people in power that are descendants of some type of reptilian hybrid program thousands of years ago. That makes a little more sense to me. Or when people see shape shifting, maybe they are possessed by some reptilian like demon. And sometimes it phases in to be seen. Going back to Gordon White, who goes to the Amazon and does ayahuasca. He's like, I have seen a shaman, like literally turn into a jaguar. Like, you know, not, not like his arms bend backwards and he grows a tail. But you look at him and you're like, that's the qualities of a jaguar. Like, you somehow brought in the spirit of jaguar. And like, I can see it. I can. Whether it's the shadows of the. The fire, you know, the campfire or whatever, like it's just something you can kind of see. So I guess I don't think things are as solid as we think they are. And sometimes if spirits come into this place and they're possessing someone and they've got a real good hook in them, maybe in certain lights, at certain angles, you can see scales or something wrong with the eye, something like that. So I mean, that's, that's probably what I would say. I mean, if we're just broadly talking about are the elite something else? You know, probably, I think so.

Top Lobster (32:51)

We've been.

Greg Carlwood (32:52)

You guys would agree, right?

Top Lobster (32:54)

Well, yeah, I mean, I, I don't throw out the potentiality for entire, even physical entities to exist. Like, I think there is a, a way in which maybe because, you know, the conversation right now around like UAPS is really entered interdimensional grounds. Right? Because we're kind of getting comfortable with the idea that they're not extra terrestrial in the sense of like outside of our solar system or something like that, although that narrative still exists. There's some people that are abducted and they're like, we're from the Pleiades, homie, and, and we came all this way to take you and put this in your butt. And maybe there's, there's some validity to that, I'm not too sure. But that interdimensional aspect is something that I think a lot of us have been entertaining more and more these days. And I don't think that that restricts the potentiality for that thing that comes in this dimensional gateway, whatever that is. Not being solid, not being physical. I think they probably can be physical. And I, I don't have anything else to go on but like really hours of, of testimony that I've listened to from people like Tony Merkel at the confessionals and things like that, or, or the Bump podcast and these guys, you know, they're having people on and they're sharing their testimony. We, we also do a version of that where we'll have people write in their paranormal testimonies, it's called NDS Chronicles, and we'll read them on air. And I don't dismiss these people's encounters because I recognize that there's a through line, a pattern that seems to emerge. The more data you take in, the more stories you get, the more similarities there are. And I think that those similarities kind of hint to this being a real phenomenon. When I was a kid, I saw something that I couldn't explain with my buddy. And to this day, if I, if I ring him up and ask him, like, do you remember what we saw? He don't even want to talk about it. And, which is strange because I don't feel that way. I saw, I thought we were going to get attacked by a dog. Something came running at us through the tall grass, and when it came out in front of us, it was bipedal and it was, I thought it was a naked little black boy because I was like 13 and it just didn't make sense any other way. So I thought, even though I was terrified, which my response to what I thought was a naked little black boy lost in the woods was, I guess, the wrong response because I just screamed and ran away from him. But it's only like, analysis later on that taught me, like, why would that, why would there be a child lost in the woods like that? Why would that child run away from us? Why would he be naked and, and why didn't we try to help him? You know, we were just kids. If this is just a kid, you know, maybe we were scared at first, and we would have. But we would have course corrected and been like, oh, my God, there's a kid in the woods. Instead, we ran. And. And then there's other things that I'm not too sure if I actually remember. Like, I know it was naked, and I don't remember seeing any. Any genitalia or anything like that. And it was like, black. Black and.

Greg Carlwood (35:50)

Yeah, not unlike something I saw when I was a young kid.

Top Lobster (35:54)

Really? What did you see?

Greg Carlwood (35:55)

So I have told this story a bunch of times, but it doesn't fit any model. People. Like, was it Bigfoot? Was it, you know, a pygmy or something? It just doesn't fit any of the conventional cryptid models. But it description is similar to you. I didn't think it was a person. I definitely didn't think it was a person, but it was black. I was in kindergarten. I was walking around this new neighborhood where we bought a house, the subdivision with my parents. And there's a canyon behind some of the houses. And I look down there and I see this thing that's kind of like hunched over. Like the way a werewolf hunches over. Like, you know, the big back is hunched over. And as soon as I see it, it sees me, and it locks eyes with me and it's very clear. And I say to my parents, hey, come here, come here. You have to see this thing. It's a big bear. Because I didn't know what it could be, I said, bear. And my parents, you know, we play jokes on each other. I'm a little kid. They're like, laughing. Yeah, yeah. And I'm like, no, seriously. And they can tell I'm getting really upset. But they also know bears don't live in the woods in Missouri, or at least they to their knowledge. And then it rose up in more of a full stand. And I said, no, it's a. It's a weird rhino thing because. And I know that's even crazier, but it kind of morphed to where what I thought was black or brown fur looked more like elephant or rhinoceros skin. It looked like skin, not fur. So I'm looking at this kind of impossible creature, and I'm trying to focus on different parts of it to give a description of what it is. And then it kind of does like a. And just a few steps, and it just kind of dissipates and goes Away, like, it had the attitude of, like, oh, you saw me. You shouldn't be seeing me. I'm gonna go back to being invisible. And so I am crying hysterically, really not. Not necessarily out of fear. It wasn't even dark. It wasn't a creepy situation except for the thing. But I was instantly traumatized by the fact that my parents were 15ft away. They wouldn't come over and see what I was seeing. And now I know that I'm gonna be the only one who ever saw this thing. And that sucks, because I want someone to talk to. I want. And. And I made my parents go door to door because this is a cul de sac. And I made them go to the houses. I was. And I was like, have you ever seen anything out in the woods behind your house? And obviously they said no. So I. I still wonder what that was. And I. It doesn't fit any major description. A shadow person. It seemed like. Like elemental is a term that's very broad. So maybe it was an elemental of the woods. The subdivision was new, and it was a wooded area. So maybe this was a thing that was angry about the displacement of these new homes going in and all the wilderness being cleared out. You know, these are things I've thought years later. Also strange. I interviewed a guy who put an emphasis on finding symbols in places you might not necessarily think they are. And I grew up in a subdivision called St. John's Crossing. And I was like, that's interesting. You know, crossing, crossroads. Who built this subdivision? You know what? What? Really? I never thought about it much. I started doing, like, a deep dive into it, and it was like, I believe it was a Mormon or a Lutheran sect of people who kind of congregated in this area. And St. John. This guy built a church to St. John. And then a subdivision was built next to the church. And if you look at a bird's eye view of St. John's Crossing in Arnold, Missouri, there is a. A free Masonic square encompass shape to it. Now, it's not a hundred percent a square encompass, but it's close enough that you're like, was that intentional? And then it's like, it's just weird because, you know, their magic and religion are very. You know, they sing, they're presented as oil and water, but there's a lot of crossover when you get into people outside of mainstream religions. And it's called St. John's Crossing. I just thought it was weird to see it added a little bit of color to, like, why am I seeing this thing? At the edge of St. John's Crossing. Maybe it's related, maybe it isn't. But I saw a weird thing and I didn't think it was human, but I definitely like describe like I thought it was dog like for part of this. And then I thought it was definitely a black, maybe a shadow thing. But like you kind of defies category. You can't say I saw a dog man that day. You can't say I saw Bigfoot that day. What the hell is it?

Top Lobster (40:44)

Something sentient? Something upright?

Greg Carlwood (40:48)

Well, for sure sentient.

Top Lobster (40:50)

I've got some questions for you. But before we go on to those questions, we're at the 38 minute mark, guys.

David Lee Corbo (40:55)

You saw something that shouldn't exist in this realm. That's I think.

Top Lobster (40:58)

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Top Lobster (41:51)

Greg. I mean, you know, you said that this started with 9, 11 and things like that. And that's not the case if you really think about it, is it, Greg? I find that so many people who do what we do, who are out here asking these questions, who have a love for this sort of information and this tenacity for the truth, they have something weird like that at the root of it. You don't think that that plays any role, Greg, and you going forward and asking a bunch of questions?

Greg Carlwood (42:16)

No, I definitely do. And I have thought more about my life in retrospect. There are other things. There was a time where I was out in front of the house and it was winter And I was sledding. We lived on an inclined street. So I'm sledding and this truck pulls up. And this guy tries to get me to come into the truck. He's like, hey, kid, come here, I got to talk to you about something. And I was like, oh, my God. This is textbook. Everything I've ever been told not to, you know, engage with. So the. I start trying to make my way into the house, but it's icy out. I'm wearing winter clothes, I can't move as fast as I would. So I'm like, really scared that this guy would be able to grab me before I could even get into my house. But I did get into my house and, you know, I'm. He's like, do you live here? Do you live here? I'm like, you know, I'm just trying not to engage. But I clearly went into the house. So my mom happened to, at this moment, be on the phone with a neighbor across the street. So this van, like kind of pulls behind a tree where it's hard to see from the house I'm in, but clear to be seen from across the street. And so this is a wild synchronicity that I'm telling my mom what happened. She's on the phone, and this person's like, oh, I can see that truck, and I can see the license plate. And they write down the license plate. The cops get called. This guy tells a story that he has a son, and his son was at us another kid's house in this neighborhood. And he didn't know exactly where it was, so he was really just trying to find his kid. And I'm like, well, I wasn't playing with any other kid. You know, you didn't ask me about another kid. Like, it didn't. The story didn't check out to my young brain. And so I asked the police, I'm like, you know, did you get this guy? Is he. Is he gone? They're like, well, there's nothing to do. And so it took me many months to not be scared that this guy was gonna come back for me because he was mad that I told the police and the police didn't lock him up. And it shook my confidence. So first off, do people steal kids? Yes. I now have first hand experience that they try to do that. And also don't trust the police because they aren't going to actually protect you. They just put you on the radar of the person who now is twice as mad at you. So these are all things I processed Young there. There's a lot of. I'm deaf in my right ear. I'm deaf in my right ear because the story is I had meningitis when I was three years old. What is meningitis? You know, was it a vaccine injury? That. Because we're in a paradigm that can't accept that a vaccine injury could ever happen. They just went to the next thing and told my parents, hey, the kid's got meningitis. I don't know how he got it. Probably some bacteria somewhere. Because three years old is right when you're getting vaccines and stuff. So there's just a lot of. A lot of little things seem somewhat like fate, that if I look back at the story, reality was telling me different parts of conspiracy reality are true. And I was able to accept a lot of that stuff, maybe faster, with less resistance because of personal experience. Whether it's paranormal, big harma, or just stealing kids. Like, it's all there.

Top Lobster (45:40)

I had the same thing happened. Wow. I was a kid and I was riding my bike and I don't know how old I was. Maybe. Maybe eight or nine years old, I think it was. Still. Yeah, I was still in elementary school. And all of a sudden this red pickup truck pulls up on the corner and the guy goes, hey, do you know where the elementary school is? And it was my elementary school. So I start pointing down the road and I go, yeah, you want to go down here? You want to go this way? And he goes, get in and why don't you get in and show me? And I, you know, of course, stranger danger, right? You get in these announcements all the time in like public school and elementary school. Like, don't get in the car with strangers. And so I start to. I'm on my bike and I'm. I'm on the sidewalk facing him, and I lift my wheel up and I start slowly waddling to pivot, you know, to do the kind of one wheel pivot. And. And I start trying to head in the other direction, and the last thing I hear is the car door open behind me. Oh. And I get. And I start pedaling. But I'm. I'm only like four houses away from my house. So I pull in and it was a. It was a horrifying experience. Not just because of that, but because the police did come and they asked me what kind of car it was, and I just said it was a. It was a red pickup. And I remember feeling so ashamed because they were like, what kind of pickup? Was it like a Ford? Was it Like a Chevy. And I was like, I don't even know what the that means, dude. I had no idea. Like. And I remember being met because my dad wasn't around when I was a kid or, you know, at all. And I remember like, even at that age being like, like, I think I told him my dad wasn't around. So I don't know anything about cars.

Greg Carlwood (47:11)

Well, I mean, that was even my experience. Yeah, that was an element of mine. They're like, how old is the guy? I'm like between 20 and 60. Because I'm so young. I'm just like a 20 year old is a goddamn adult and so is a 60 year old. I don't have any idea. But you got his license plate. How about you start there and stop grilling the kid about that? Kids don't know.

Top Lobster (47:31)

I don't think they ended up doing anything either.

David Lee Corbo (47:33)

Before the show, you were, you mentioned to us that you did some research on us to see what we were chatting about, and the telepathy tapes came up. But this topic of children being targeted in a way and not being protected and vaccine damages that possibly happen to kid, this is, this is one of the things that we were extremely focused on and we were talking about Kai Dickens and maybe what she missed or what she does not include in her, in her work or I don't know, maybe the. What exactly would you say it was like the, the production of what she's doing and the, the kind of like this corporate structure, the presentation of what she's doing, it limits her, her ability to speak, in my opinion, correctly on the phenomenon that she's presenting. But maybe she, maybe she is speaking correctly, right? Maybe she's just, you know, in a controlled manner presenting us a narrative. And that's kind of what we were getting at with our telepathy tapes ideas there. But I'd love to hear a little bit more about what you think about just the experience you, you were having with, with these, these podcasts.

Greg Carlwood (48:47)

Well, I found out about the Telepathy tapes. I would say pretty early, before it went truly viral. And so I messaged them and said, hey, this is like a good topic for my show. You're launching a podcast. You know, I'd love to interview Kai. And I got back a response about, hey, we like the idea, but we're trying to really get our PR handled and, and really lock in all of our pr. And to me that's a little bit of a red flag. As I said before we started recording, I've done this since 2010. No manager, no agents. Like, I don't find there to be much of a need to involve other people. I would say there's probably people of a caliber who don't even respond to my email requests because I write them myself. And they think, well, he can't really have the audience he says he does, because why doesn't he have a guy doing that? And it's like, well, because to me, you can't outsource who the guests are. And what's the point of me telling someone else? Why have a middleman? I have to choose my guests because I'm trying to make the best show I can make. So that's a part I can't outsource. The edit. Sure, I've got an editor who cleans everything up, makes it better, but you can't outsource guest selection. So I don't know. I just. I. I thought that was a bit of a red flag. It seemed like they were too focused on presentation, controlling the narrative posturing in a certain way, and I don't like that. So I kind of stopped paying much attention to the telepathy tapes because I have to move on. I have to fill my calendar. I have to fill my shows. And if you're gonna say no and you're gonna give me that story about pr, then fine, get back in touch with me later if you want to, but I'm done trying. So then I saw it kind of blow up. And, you know, then I saw Kyle and Rogan. I was like, man, I told my wife, like, I missed that one up. And that. That's. As he goes more into conspiracy territory. He just did Suzanne Humphries. I mean, I've read her book three times. Suzanne Humphries. I mean, God damn, she should be on my show. What's what? Stay in your lane, Joe. Keep it. Keep. Keep interviewing Elon Musk and doing MMA shows and talking about bears and wolves. Get out of my lane. No, I. I mean, I. I don't really care, but especially because on that issue, I just think that it's all hands on deck. The programming needs to get broken. Just the idea that these things are some magic category of medicine, when every single other medicine has side effects. Oh, but not these. Not the ones that are given under the skin, bypassing the body's defense mechanisms. Like, these ones are magic. But every other drug produced by the same companies, the most sued companies in history, they're. You know, they have massive side effects. So on that issue, you know, who cares? But, yes, back to the telepathy tapes. I started to watch more, maybe out of spite. I was watch more people talking on them or trying to analyze them. And you know, I saw one video where they're. They're focused on this kid. I believe he was playing a piano or something. And then behind him is his mom. I believe this is an Indian kid. And they're watching the mom and they're saying, no, this mom is giving him prompts. This mom is saying certain things and he stops when she says a certain word. And I don't know if there's merit in that, but you probably know that is an old trick. That's the old horse counting trick. If you remember way back in the day, in the black and white TV days, there would be the story of the H, the horse that can count, and the horse would hit his hoof and he basically would just hit his hoof until people started clapping. They count to eight and the horse would do it, and then when it hits eight, everyone claps and he just stops. Like, that's not a horse counting. That's basically teaching a dog to shake. You know, it's just an action. And so the suggestion was that there's an element of the telepathy tapes where that is in play, that it is not kids necessarily doing much more than hearing a prompt that is not being paid attention to in the frame. You know, it's all about attention. You're focused here. The Kansas City Shuffle's going on over here. And I don't know, but when something blows up like it did, I get skeptical because things just don't happen like that. They don't blow up like that. Telepathy is not new. Anyone who's intrigued by telepathy and the long history of it, there's so much material to look at. Why all of a sudden is this on everybody's radar and on the biggest podcast in the world? Why did it even come across my news feeds where I got interested in it early on? To me that's non organic and to me that there's something about it now, I guess. And you have to tell me because I, I stopped paying attention. You probably know way more about it than me. But the main point is that kids who are autistic have telepathic abilities that are being overlooked by neurotypicals. That's mainly the premise, right?

Top Lobster (53:56)

I mean, so I don't want to rehash what our audience is already tired of us saying, but I can give you the abridged version, which is morally more or Less it's questions. Right. So one of my questions is why?

David Lee Corbo (54:10)

I think, let's just say. So we named this, like two part series Debunking the Telepathy Tapes because it's clickbait. Yeah. We don't debunk it. Let's operate on the assumption that we believe exactly what they're saying. And listen, my dog, my old dog that just died, Brody, he would do a counting trick, and it would just be like, I'm looking directly in his eyes. He'd bark the number of times I want, and I'd avert my eyes and he would stop and people would clap. There are tricks to this.

Greg Carlwood (54:38)

There you go.

David Lee Corbo (54:38)

Yeah, but there's something.

Greg Carlwood (54:40)

Why are you podcasting when you. Well, the dog died. That's.

David Lee Corbo (54:42)

Yeah, he died. So my jig jigs up, baby.

Greg Carlwood (54:46)

No more walking the boardwalk, making the big bucks.

David Lee Corbo (54:51)

So there are parlor tricks, but I don't think that they were at play in this. In this series. Maybe not. At least not all of them, because there's just too many kids. There's even like another person, this guy that they had on Blurry Creatures recently. Great episode that they just released. He's like a Christian dude, like some sort of a pastor, and he works with kids like this, non verbal autistic kids. And he's done spelling with them a number of times. So spelling is like they're. They're touching a board, spelling out what they would say. Sometimes the kids actually need assistance with like a hand on the shoulder. But it's. It's kind of complicated. Let's just operate as if this is true. If. If true, then what are we taking from these tapes?

Top Lobster (55:37)

But.

David Lee Corbo (55:38)

Right, go ahead. Dave is about to hit that.

Top Lobster (55:40)

So what I first kind of discovered was this. It's very anecdotal, but there's an overlap where you have like, let's say the MK Ultra program. It's. It's trauma based mind control. You traumatize an individual, you create a disassociative identity disorder, and then that opens them up to a whole level of suggestibility and programming. And the same thing happens in the Montauk Project. And I've said this ad nauseam, but it's like you look at Stranger Things, which is a fictionalized, sensationalized version of it, but it is a trauma based program where you induce a disassociative identity disorder state in a child, and somehow this gains. Gives them access to latent psychic abilities. Right. And then you look at the telepathy tapes and you look at these children and you go, okay, where is the, the psychic abilities? That's pretty obvious. Where is the trauma? Well, the trauma is in the inoculations. And what happens is they become non verbal. They become prisoners of their own physical flesh, causes them to dissociate. And so that's a really uncomfortable through line. I don't know why that's there and why we're seeing that. And then also another good question to your point, Greg, would be why are we sitting on. I don't know. I don't even know how to quantify the years of research. It's not even years of research. It's the entire human experience. Since the dawn of time. We've had shamans and, and you know, people with telepathic abilities, clairvoyance and psychics and all these different things. And then you go into the modern era and you have people with credibility researching these things. Obviously the CIA takes a huge interest in it, but you have. Rupert Sheldrake is one of my favorite examples. He's a very thorough researcher and he comes to really not only interesting conclusions, but relatable ones. You know, he uses examples like when you're thinking a song in your head, but your spouse finishes the song.

David Lee Corbo (57:39)

Happened last night.

Top Lobster (57:40)

Did it really?

David Lee Corbo (57:41)

Yeah, I mean, a little bit of a morphic resonance.

Greg Carlwood (57:43)

Fellas, I had Rupert Sheldrake on the podcast.

Top Lobster (57:46)

Did you really?

Greg Carlwood (57:47)

In the early days, yeah.

Top Lobster (57:48)

He literally told me to kick rocks. And I don't blame them.

Greg Carlwood (57:51)

Yeah, that's, you know, I, I'm very lucky I started when I did because there weren't a lot of people asking for interviews from some of these folks. And I got good interviews early on. Richard Bandler is another one, you know, the neuro linguistic programming guy. I just had someone the other day be like, I can't believe that I found that in your archive. It's like, yeah, I probably couldn't do that one today. And if I had a chance to do it over, I might have asked him why there's so much sketchy stuff about a dead secretary or something like that that he had once. I don't know, I'd have to. I sure I shouldn't say anything without really researching it, but this isn't, this is just between us, right?

David Lee Corbo (58:28)

Yeah, us and a couple thousand people who will watch after. Yeah.

Greg Carlwood (58:33)

But no, yeah, Rupert Sheldrake makes some excellent points. So Stranger Things is another great example. I've had people like Chris Knowles, good friend of mine, he's on my show a lot he runs the Secret sun blog of synchro mysticism. He was big in comic books. He was an artist. He also wrote the X Files companion book. Like, he. He's got an OCD thing where he goes deep on stuff he cares about. He knows about production. He knows about just how things get made. And when Stranger Things originally came out, he's like, watch this, because something's going on here. These guys, the Duffer Brothers, come out of nowhere. They make this, like, perfect show that is insanely revealing. It's like something's going on here.

Top Lobster (59:19)

Really good.

Greg Carlwood (59:20)

Yeah. And then subsequent seasons kind of mock. They kind of walk back some stuff. I wouldn't say walk back, but like the premise I brought up earlier. When something gets revealed, you have two choices. Deny it or make it ridiculous. They decided to make it ridiculous because subsequent seasons have nothing to do with. With the first season. Like, now there's a monster on the loose and it's just. Yeah, it gets to a weird degree. There's like the zombie season where everyone's possessed by a parasite. It becomes. Each season is just a trope of old classic retro horror type stuff. But that first season was insane. And I, I think. And Chris thinks that they revealed too much and they probably attracted some attention and who knows how it works? Does the show resonate because it reveals a deep truth? Does the show take off because it's designed to take off and the algorithms put it to the top? You know, there's a lot. But I think that because it got so popular, they walked back a lot of this stuff. Now all of a sudden 11 is just a superhero. She's basically Superman. And the first season was all about that deep trauma. And. Yeah, I think that's such a true thing. I interviewed Whitley Strieber a couple times, but one time. Well, yeah, a couple times, but one time in particular, I. I try to get him to focus on this aspect of his story where he remembers being in a school as a child and being taken to this school. And I believe he says there's kids in cages. He. He basically is like, it's all foggy in my mind. But definitely I got taken to a. A school that wasn't my normal school for a section of time. And then I interviewed this guy, Gray recently, who claims to be a satanic ritual abuse survivor. Gray Area Monarch. Yeah. And I think he's legit. The way he talks, the cadence of him. Him talking. He. I don't even want to. It's not even that I'm talking, but you would Expect a person who had a lot of trauma in their background to maybe have some ticks, maybe have some stumbling over their words, maybe some anxiety, let's say, because he seems like there's an anxiety to his words. But also he talks in language that is military adjacent. And he says he was in Project Monarch. So guys who are in the military also have a certain way of talking and they focus on, you know, certain language. And so I'm seeing that in him too. So I'm analyzing Gray. I think he's legit. I also, he went deep on this area of Tennessee and all the occulty, weird stuff that goes on. And I had people write me, hey, I live in that city. He's not bullshitting. Yeah, he got everything right and got details right that I didn't even know. I've been here my whole life. So there's a lot of reasons why I think Gray is legit. But he went deep on the gate program, the gifted and talented program that used to come through, I think all of our schools. It definitely can't. I went to a private school, private Catholic school. They still came through. I remember various types of testing. Now that I'm a parent, I'm like, hold on a second. I want to know what is. If there's testing going on from some third party that I don't, I don't know who they are at the school. I think I should know about this. I don't know if my parents ever did know about. It didn't really come up. But they definitely came through, tested a bunch of kids. No kid ever left the school. But now, because they never planned for the Internet to be a thing, now you have a lot of adults that are getting together. You can go to Reddit and there's like a GATE program subreddit and people are like, I know I was in the, the gifted program. I know they took me to these special classes, but I don't remember anything. I don't remember anything that happened there. And this is very common. Thousands of kids, thousands of now adults don't remember what happened. In these programs as kids, there's talk about a pink liquid they were told to take. Now you're telling my kid to drink something that, you know, I don't even know what's in there. Doesn't have a color that seems natural. I got problems. You know, my parents are paying not even good money. I went to like the poor private Catholic school, but, you know, the, the low rent one in Festus, Missouri St. Pius. And still you're paying thousands of dollars what, to have your kid be a guinea pig for some other program? Like, what the hell? So I think that stuff's real, like, just tying it all together. I think that programs went through schools trying to find kids who are gifted, maybe had a telepathic ability, maybe had a higher resonance with the morphic field, to use a Rupert Sheldrake term. Think they're all just, you know, parts of the elephant. We're all talking about the same thing with a bunch of different terms. But they were looking for people. They were looking for kids. And maybe it ties into trying to get kids to communicate with the aliens slash demons, which is exactly what Stranger Things is about. It's about a scientist who's like, I know there's an intelligence over here. I can't talk to it. I'm going to talk to it through you, and I'm gonna engineer kids and manipulate kids to form the best communication with this thing. And the kids, like, you can't communicate with that thing. That's a goddamn demon. You don't understand. There's no language here. It's not going to tell us about its life in this other realm. It's trying to eat me, trying to dissect me and, you know, suck on my bones and weird shit.

Top Lobster (64:53)

See, Greg, that's not the truth, though, if you. If you look into it, because there are these people. We just talked to Fringe. She is an alien abductee victim her entire life, interestingly enough. When we asked her if she was part of the Gates program, she said no. But her sister was when she was a kid, and she gets a message from this other side. And many people get a lot of messages from the other side. You know, the. The Nine, the Council of Nine that you talked about earlier. I don't remember if that was off air or at the beginning of the show, but even these kids from the telepathy tapes, and I'm not going to beat around the bush for the audience's sake, but they come away with the same message, despite whatever entity they're engaging with or whatever perceived entity. Is it an alien gray? Is it a Council of Nine? Is it. You know, it's just some sort of friendly spirit that's communicating with non verbal autistic children. And that message is not that they want to eat us, that's fictional. All right? That's Stranger Things.

Greg Carlwood (65:42)

Yeah, they're all space brothers, and a cataclysm's coming, and they just want us to be better stewards of our environment. And each Other.

Top Lobster (65:49)

That's all. And that's reasonable. That's nice. Actually. I thought that was a nice thing. And maybe that's beyond our grasp and maybe we need to listen to these people.

David Lee Corbo (65:56)

And that's. That's what starts to put like. Well, it didn't start to put this together for us, but Puharich came on our scene with that narrative, the nine. It was like, oh, this guy's just channeling the ancient Ennead. It's like, that's pretty cool. Let's look into this dude. And it turns out he's doing, you know, dental tooth implants. And it turns out he's just a spook on the highest level, traveling the world, finding people like Uri Geller and, you know, the. The doctor of the rusty knife and shit like this. I was like, wait a second. So we did an entire, like a. Just a deep dive on him and where. Trying to figure out who he is. And it turns out he comes from Edgewood Arsenal where they're doing military testing, like chemical military testing with psych, you know, psychoactive drugs and different poisons. You name it. Probably that we don't even know about. So he comes up in the telepathy tapes as well, but briefly, just like, as like a. An aside. Like, also, a doctor was working on an invention. Very interesting. His name was Puharich. And I was like, wait a second. What the. Like, so. No, no, no, you don't just know that and drop that in this overly produced podcast show.

Top Lobster (66:57)

That is part of what makes it suspicious.

David Lee Corbo (66:59)

Yeah, that's bullshit. They. They know what's up. They. But they kind of have to tell you. It's like they're giving you this idea of consent where they're. They're letting you know, like, yeah, something's going on here.

Greg Carlwood (67:09)

So not to. Do you remember Cony Coney 2012?

Top Lobster (67:14)

Kony 2012? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Kony 2012. Was that had something to do with some. Some black dude from like, Africa? Am I? Am I?

Greg Carlwood (67:23)

Yeah, no, you're right. And I'm not even trying to get into what that material was, but it's just the way a package is made and presented to the Internet and it like takes off and goes viral and then goes away or whatever. But the telepathy tapes, the packaging of it, the production value, it reminded me of Coney 2012. And when I saw that, I was, oh, I must have done some kind of. I hate this AI camera, because if you do certain hand motions, it.

David Lee Corbo (67:50)

I was gonna say, like, every time you Move. It moves with you. I thought you were doing it with your feet or something.

Greg Carlwood (67:55)

Yeah, that's. It's not cool. That's not cool, Greg.

Top Lobster (68:01)

You were cooking. You were cooking, and the AI knew you were.

Greg Carlwood (68:03)

Yeah, yeah. The demon in the. In the webcam is trying to.

David Lee Corbo (68:07)

Is this the guy you're talking about?

Top Lobster (68:08)

Dude, so. So I forgot all about this. This was like. There was a sort of a movement behind this. This had the feeling of.

Greg Carlwood (68:16)

Remember, it was a psyop, but it.

Top Lobster (68:19)

Had the vibe of, like the Black Eyed Peas. Where is the love?

Greg Carlwood (68:22)

Remember? Yeah, exactly, exactly. But that's. It's like you put Bin Laden, Hitler, and Coney all together. But it did start a bunch of people protesting. And then what's really crazy, that guy who made the documentary. I stopped using my hands. The guy who made the documentary lived in San Diego about a few blocks from where I lived. And he was found in the street, like, naked, shouting, stopping traffic, throwing stuff around. And to me, it was just like, of course, because he is a asset to an intelligence network who has now served his purpose. And now they're scrambling his brain, and he's probably going to get locked up so he doesn't talk about what happened.

Top Lobster (69:07)

What you want to talk about Memory hold. That's a memory hole.

Greg Carlwood (69:11)

And I didn't even mean to. To. To get us all distracted, but it's just like the. The package reminded me of that. And. And it's not organic, you know, it's not something that just is. Is made by people like us who put something out. So the telepathy tapes just seem a little weird. But, yes, mentioning Andrea Puharich in there is.

David Lee Corbo (69:35)

Well, it's not only that it's a little weird. It's. It's presented by Joe Rogan in a big way. It takes over his number one spot, and then.

Top Lobster (69:44)

Yeah, yeah. Becomes number one in the world.

David Lee Corbo (69:46)

Yeah. And it's not even a good podcast, in my opinion. I was like. I was listening to. And I was like, is this what people want? Because this is dog. Like, it's a hard list. Somebody talking. And then Kai Dickens is cut, clearly, she's speaking it now into a SM7B in her office. And she goes, well, what did you think when your son did this? And it. It cuts back to, like, the interview where she was actually talking to her. But, like, you can tell, like. Like, why it's such overproduction. It's not even good overproduction. The music is whatever. I don't understand really, the appeal to this. Besides Obviously it's a great story, but the production is garbage, in my opinion. I don't, I just don't understand why it even took off the way it is or if that's.

Top Lobster (70:29)

I think people want.

David Lee Corbo (70:30)

But that's.

Top Lobster (70:30)

We actually nailed why it took off, in my opinion. You know, there's no way to prove this. But I think basically what happened, because, Greg, we're talking about like, why suddenly now does anybody give a. When this research has been happening for all of time?

Greg Carlwood (70:42)

What purpose does it serve? Like, obviously an intention went into putting a package together, launching it on the Internet, making it popular. What is the agenda? There's something ulterior motive behind this.

Top Lobster (70:53)

I think it's, it's twofold. So number one is that messaging. So they do want people to communicate with these entities. They do want that message of like this coming climate catastrophe. And, but the point is that message has been, you know, being espoused for a long time anytime somebody gets into contact with these entities. And so I think honestly what it took was, you know, you have the ultimate victim class. Nobody on Earth. It doesn't matter what your. You'd be racist, homophobic, this and that. You will. Oh, everybody has empathy for these poor children, right, because it's a horrifying thing that they're subjected to and they can't talk. So basically what happens is when they suddenly can talk, everybody will shut the hell up and listen. And I think that was kind of the point is you tell the entire world that these, these poor individuals can't speak, they're prisoners in their own body, and, and we don't know how to help them, and nobody comes up with a solution. And then one day they communicate and this is what they communicate. So I think it's, it's, it's a matter of getting the right mouthpiece to finally get this message across. And I've been talking about how Elon Musk, he wants to go to Mars. There's a video on the Internet.

David Lee Corbo (71:57)

The message, though, the message is partially what they want to do, but I feel like there's an underlying message. And that one, it's a little crazy, but I think it, I think they're telling us that they have completed project MK Ultra, right? They have figured out what they needed to figure out. And this idea of the GATE program where they're going school to school and they're looking for students, I think that they just rolled out a vaccine schedule and blanketed all of America with it. And now they figured out exactly what they want to do to people. They've created the conditions to keep kids trapped inside of their body in order to communicate telepathically with whatever. And, you know.

Top Lobster (72:36)

You know what's funny about the gate program too? What do they always have you do. They're like, can you hear this frequency? Can you hear that frequency? Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, everything is about frequencies. And you're.

Greg Carlwood (72:45)

I remember that because I was deaf in one ear. So, you know, it was a big part of. That is how my. That is how my. Well, because I remember, like, you know, when you're little, you have just some memories of some things, and they're so random. I do remember being in that office and her being like, do you have a hearing problem? Do you. Are you aware of a hearing problem? And I'm like, well, yeah, but I was so young. It's like, I didn't. I didn't even know what you were gonna do. And then I definitely didn't tell you before it started. I don't hear anything in the right ear. But she was like, did I just discover this kid's half deaf? And it's like, no, obviously know that.

David Lee Corbo (73:21)

Did you read the paperwork?

Greg Carlwood (73:23)

But. So I don't know if you guys are aware of Schwab. Schwab, he's pretty popular, but, you know, the Internet's a big place, and he is. He's got a big thing on Twitter, and then he has a sub stack. And his sub stack. He writes these amazing articles that. I just love the language he uses, the subject matter he covers. I've interviewed him now three or four times, and in one of his most recent ones. I hesitate to bring it up because I don't want to. It's so lengthy. I don't want to end up reading something that's super, super long. But he makes some good points about exactly what we're talking about. This aspect of people who have encounters where the encounter ends up with a message. And the message is always the same, like, we're space brothers and, you know, the world's. They're usually shown a disaster scenario, an apocalyptic scenario. So let me just read you a little bit of this, and we'll see how it goes. But Schwab says, and you can go to schwabstack.substack.com for all of his work, but this is a post called Lulacker Land and the Goblin Market. But.

Top Lobster (74:29)

Huh.

Greg Carlwood (74:30)

So in 2015, during his Christmas vacation, Charlie Hewitt was at home alone watching TV, when around 2am he suddenly felt compelled to look outside. Check that box. That's common. He got up and peered through the blinds, finding a police car sitting in complete silence outside his house. Once again, he experienced a strange impulse, now telling him to go outside and investigate. As he approached the vehicle, he began to feel anxious. Then, as if crossing an invisible boundary, he suddenly felt half awake. Twilight Space. Also common. As if in a bizarre dreamlike world. Later, comparing the experience to a virtual reality like in the Matrix, Charlie now noticed that both officers were staring at him with identical uncanny grins. Also common. A really weird smile. An insane smile. Like crazy and dangerous, he says. Suddenly, the police car blurred and was replaced by a floating egg shaped object. Charlie.

Top Lobster (75:22)

Okay, stop.

David Lee Corbo (75:23)

Okay, stop.

Top Lobster (75:24)

Oh, dude, this is crazy.

David Lee Corbo (75:26)

Yeah, we gotta. We have to talk with this guy. A floating. So we. I mean, David's obsessed with the egg.

Top Lobster (75:32)

That's right.

Greg Carlwood (75:33)

So that's not a big. I mean, it is a big part of recent disclosure movement stuff. But let me get to this part that I think you're gonna really like. Charlie tried to escape, but from his perspective, time seemed to slow until he could no longer move. Check that box. Then everything went dark, and he was transported to a field behind his house, where the officers had now transformed into the real Men in Black stereotype. These beings of pure media abducted him onto a hovering craft, where he found himself in surgical scrubs. Check. Shackled to a bed. Check. Three small hairless figures with black eyes enter the room. Check. One of the goblins, Schwab calls them. Goblins touched Charlie, inducing a vision of Earth post World War iii. A planet in ruins with zero human survivors. Complete extinction. Another vision followed. Earth millennia later, reclaimed by nature, with only wildlife thriving. Charlie interpreted this as the aliens suggest in suggesting humans had failed, and it was time for other species to dominate. Even humankind's former pets enjoyed the new Arcadia. He sensed that while this was tragic for humanity, it signified a relief for other life forms on Earth. Disturbingly, Charlie was left harboring the sentiment that the The Earth without humans wouldn't be so bad. Very common story. Check.

Top Lobster (76:50)

Check.

Greg Carlwood (76:51)

So then Schwab goes on to kind of unpack this story, and he says the visions the space goblins offer Charlie are entertaining, but the math doesn't add up. The creatures seem unaware that the Earth's surface area is vast. Most of it would be unaffected by nuclear exchange, and the long term effects of radiation have been grossly exaggerated. I'm sure you've been down that rabbit hole. You know, he's just pointing that out. It might be new to Some people. But he says the only potential human extinction scenario relies on the nuclear winner. Model based fraud. You know, this is a computer model again like Covet. It's going to kill everyone, destroy everything. They did this with nukes too. They said the nuclear winner, everything will be destroyed. And that's now largely been debunked. So why are the aliens not aware, you know, the person in that's putting this into his head? Why are they carrying water for the military industrial complex? Because this is a fraudulent scenario. So he goes on to say, and any nuclear scenario where human pets have survived, their masters would have also survived. So the logic doesn't check out there. The sci fi fantasy film these kidnappers featured was targeted at a low information audience. Probably custom made for Charlie himself. Apparently they traveled light years to deliver middling eco communist anti propaganda. But it worked. Charlie changed his identity and he, you know, he basically equates this to MK Ultra. And then he goes on to say, you know, why would they do this? Why would masters of time and space use methods achievable by a well funded intelligence agency or the Walt Disney company? The answer, because it works the same way. Everyone knows that synthetic images of celebrities aren't real, but remain entertained. And then they will defend their immersion in the spectacle. So he, he has this, you know, it's many, many pages long, but he basically says the template is always the same. You feel compelled. You know, you're being manipulated from that point. You're taken to a spot and then you're put into like a false reality around you. A simulation bubble of some kind. He was taken to a field behind his house. Everything shifts. You're in a trance like state. This is MK Ultra programming. But you never see a human being involved. I mean in this case you did. It was the guys in the, in the car who are in a police car. Well, a police car and an intelligence CIA car can look pretty similar if you don't know what you're trying to look for. You know. Did he say they were in like classic cap and, and uniforms with a little star? He didn't necessarily say that they looked like cops to him, but what kind of cops? You know, the devil's in the details. But I just think Schwab is really picking up on something that is super important. That whether these entities are separate or not, the techniques for getting a person to alter their entire worldview the way you want them to are similar. And you know, that's, I guess the all I got. But I, I find that pretty interesting. Don't you?

Top Lobster (79:54)

It's massively interesting because of that through line, that pattern right when you're saying check, check, check. I agree with every single one of those CH marks. We were talking to Fringe, like I said, alien, abductee, victim, and she starts talking about basically the same thing. And I'm, I'm made aware, I guess, much to my dismay, that I also seem to have been abducted as a child. I have those dreams where I'm in paralysis. There's shadows, there's an explicitly bright white light. I'm, I wake up in a different position. I'm, I'm no longer where I was where I was laying before, and my grandmother was an abductee victim and my mother has all these weird things. But what's interesting about that is I have those experiences. And ever since childhood, I am gripped by the idea of the apocalypse. Gripped by it. I'm plagued with dreams of giant tidal waves and events where there's no power and everybody's out in the streets and, and it's just kind of like post apocalyptic survival mode. I'm also plagued by these dreams of being locked down, sort of martial law style, inside of a school where it's. I'm under guard, like military guard or whatever. And I don't know how much of that is like dreams and things that were given to me or if they're actual experiences where I'm abducted, I don't really know. But I recognize that those themes like, check, check, check, they're all the same thing. And what Fringe ends up letting slip is they didn't hit her with the nuclear thing. Although that is a discussion that comes up a lot. It's this mutually assured destruction via nuclear war. There's another one, though, and the other one is the pole shift. And I think that one goes to like a slightly, I don't know, smarter audience. You know what I mean? If they're trying to tailor this, this deception to you because the polar shift is a little bit harder to dismiss because it's like it's at the edge of, of scientific discovery that's only coming around now. You have like Randall Carlson doing his ancient apocalypse thing and, and you know, there's been multiple calamities throughout history where it's, you know, either A Big Flood 1 or asteroid impact or yada yada, and then potentially a pole shift. And what I found recently that's really fun, Greg, is that Elon Musk is sat down in this interview with some podcasters that just don't really know what he's saying or what they're asking, it's going over their heads. But he's talking about his concern for the future of the planet. Ice ages, you know, super heated stages that come and go, and giant calamities, but in particular, like polar shifts. He's like the, you know, the magnetic poles have shifted before. And he says, you know, that that sort of thing could happen again and that we'd have to be even further than like the moon. We'd have to be at Mars to be able to avoid such a thing. So now you find out that the, the genesis for his wanting to go to Mars, besides Werner von Braun telling him to do it, was that he is worried about some sort of pole shift. Now, I don't know if that's actually true, if he's actually worried about that, but that video is out there and it exists. So everybody's favorite autist is worried about a pole shift. And he also wants to put tech in your brain that he just trademarked the words telepathy and telekinesis for. So there's like this really weird through line where it's actually not weird at all. You see it for what it is. There is, there's an effort here. They want us to believe that something is coming. And, and then I'm only left to kind of speculate as to is something coming or is that entirely a deception? You know, because this is a, a Christian show in, in very many ways we look at things through the biblical lens, right? And if we are at that point in, let's say, Revelation and the little season, people aren't correct, and we are about to go through the tribulation, well, then are the series of cataclysmic events that we might be subjected to in the near future actually the tribulation, and are they trying to avoid it or is none of that happening at all? And this is an alarmist thing, a Hegelian dialectic where you present a fictional problem and then you offer up the solution and then you even butter us up and you say, hey, and afterwards, if you can dodge it, you can ascend and take your place among the, you know, the Galactic Federation is pretty sweet.

Greg Carlwood (83:41)

I think the latter kind of, because, I mean, you know, no secret to anyone who listens to me, I am not a Christian. I get into arguments with Christians all the time. I wouldn't even say arguments. I'm, you know, I just am staking my ground and, and finding the common ground, but also saying, you know, I, I'm not going to Take that label on. And a lot of the audience who is Christian, they are. They cannot handle this. And I get tons of messages that I've listened to you for years, and then you said something anti Christian and I had to cancel. And it's like, okay, well, look. And they say, I hate Christians. I do not. I grew up in Missouri. My friends, my family, they're all Christians. What are you gonna do? You know, I find common ground with them and we ignore the rest. I'm a conspiracy guy. They're not. Yeah.

Top Lobster (84:25)

Just so you have that, that view. I, I was a conspiracy guy from. And the audience is about to roll their eyes from like 16 years old till now. I'm, I'm 34 years old, and I've only been a Christian in any meaningful sense for like three to four years. But everything before that was just tenacious conspiracy theory. Then I had some really outlandish experience with, with a demon that I saw, my wife saw, and my son saw, and that just forever changed my trajectory. But so all my foundation is that.

Greg Carlwood (84:53)

So that's interesting. So, yes, there's a huge overlap. I've interviewed dozens and dozens of people that are like, I wasn't Christian. Demon thing happened. Now I'm Christian. Okay, well, I kind of put that in the same box as the apocalyptic message. Like, I, I, I put it in the box of person changes worldview because of demonic experience. And I haven't had an experience like that, but I, I find that to be not necessarily the, the move. So I definitely am more spiritual than I've ever been before. But you can find indigenous cultures isolated all over this island earth, and they routinely have contact experiences through shamanism. They're not Christian.

Top Lobster (85:39)

Right. People are having the same experiences through dmt.

Greg Carlwood (85:42)

Right. So to me, it's odd that so many people go down the rabbit hole. They look at what the elite are doing, what motivates the elite. Perhaps they're like, the elite are satanic, they're Luciferian. Therefore I'm good, I'm Christian now. And I just find it strange. Another thing that Schwab would talk about is that for poltergeist activity, in a lot of these instances, you have to invite them in, in a sense. And there's something about consciousness that seems sacred, because even though it feels like a physical experience, I think what's really happening is on a level of consciousness. And I think you probably have control over your own consciousness. And another thing that happens is people invoke the name of Jesus and the aliens go away. So Then they say, well, clearly they're not aliens, they're demons. Because only demons would respond to the name of Jesus. And Jesus must be real, because why would his name work? I think that it's more of a vibe, like, who cares what words you're using in English? You know, you're basically now having a conscious to consciousness communication. They can pick up on vibes of fear, and they do. They can pick up on vibes of, of hostility, of like, you're not welcome here. And to me, just invoking Jesus's name is basically saying, you're not welcome here. And I wonder if all those people who invoke Jesus's name were to just say those words if the same thing would happen. I suggest that it would, because I just don't. I can't go with the Christian lens because the world is too big and there's too many other people in the world who know nothing about Christianity because they dodge the, you know, the Inquisition and the expansion of it and the burning at the stake and all that. So there's people out there that are having very, very similar experiences. There are other worldly beings. I'm not doubting that, but I just think it's just with Christianity, you know, they kind of like Jewish people, they constantly say they're being persecuted. It's like there's a goddamn Bible in every hotel room in this. Churches don't pay taxes. Why? Maybe because they're useful to the government in some form or fashion.

Top Lobster (87:52)

Yeah, that, that the church.

David Lee Corbo (87:54)

You're conflating Christianity and the church. Yeah, I understand myself guilty when, when, when, when we say that, like, we're a Christian in the conventional sense. No. So some, like most people that are in the Christian realm on, in the, in the podcast area, don't fuck with us because. Yeah, I do. I do comedy. I cross a line and they're like, that's not Christian. And I say, well, I, I just simply disagree. For me, it's having, like, understanding or try at least trying to understand whatever God is. I believe that there are many gods. I think that you're 100% right. Throughout culture.

Top Lobster (88:35)

Yeah.

David Lee Corbo (88:35)

People have gone through psychedelic trips and maybe not even psychedelic trips, but they've had, they've had experiences with these entities that have come down and help their society in this way or that way. Sure. The Bible also talks about that. I mean, there's, there's many gods and they are angels.

Greg Carlwood (88:52)

Sorry, I would say. And it doesn't even really matter. I don't want to get into a Big debate here. But Christians, conventional Christians, would say, you're stretching the definition of a Christian beyond what it actually is. So why not just abandon the term and say you're a spiritual? Like I say, I'm spiritual. I believe in a spiritual paradigm. But I believe that the actual experiences of indigenous shamans and the vast, complex cosmology that they have derived from their personal experience is just as valid, if not more so, because it's like less of a game of telephone and less connected to the history of power in this world. It's less. It's more unadulterated. I would say I just put it all in the same box. I don't. I don't elevate Christianity above the indigenous shaman in Peru. I just say, huh, those are interesting cosmologies that we have all across this world. Fold it all in together and say, yeah, there's a spiritual dimension. There are entities there that seem to hate the Creator. They seem to hate us. They probably are in league with our elite, trying to manipulate things. But to say that the elite are Satanists, I think that's too narrow of a lens. And being a show called Nephilim Death Squad. Yeah. I mean, you got to Chris Knowles, his big thing is watcher worship. He's like, look at all the award shows and all the things people interpret as Satanism. There's. They're often parading around giants, people with black wings.

Top Lobster (90:17)

Yes.

Greg Carlwood (90:18)

They are not looking at the devil. You know, this little, like.

Top Lobster (90:22)

Well, that's the idea. It's a. It's a caricature. Right. If you're. If. If people are talking about the devil, it's been watered down. It's like, Satan means adversary. It's more of a title that is given to seemingly multiple spiritual entities throughout the Bible. I think it is not so much an issue with the teachings of the Bible. There is a lot of really fascinating and really important details in there. It's a. It's a matter of the filter that it passes through. So when you hear Satan or you hear of the devil, and then all of a sudden you start thinking of, like, a guy with a pitchfork and a red suit. It's like, that is antiquated and reductive and not at all applicable to the conversation. It seems that really there's. There's a. A much more nuanced version of the entities that inhabit the spiritual realm that we don't really have a grasp on, which is why we say, like, these other pantheons that have existed throughout history. Whether it's like The Eniad. Right. The nine that rule over Egypt. Or if you're talking about the Greek pantheon, I don't think that those things didn't exist. I think they did and probably still do exist in some form, maybe not a physical one, but are kind of relegated to a realm that maybe you can thin the veil between this one and that one. If you're using like psychedelics or binaural beats or some like that, or astral projecting, you might be able to get somewhere close to where they actually do reside. But I. I agree. It's like there's an antiquated version of. Of Christianity that most people espouse, and that's not the one that we sort of towed around here. I think we have a much more complex version version of what the spiritual realm is and the experiences that individuals have, whether it be shamans or otherwise. I think there is real veracity. I think they are communicating with entities. But the only thing, the question every time you experience an entity is did it tell you all of the truth or did it tell you most of the truth and a fundamental lie? And I think that's the thing that we see happening here quite a bit. And so when you see the tropes of like the elites worshiping Satan, even that is kind of like you have Sam Smith, he comes out, he's. He's fat and gay and he's dressed like the devil. And it's like that is a mockery. It's a. It's a red herring. You look at that and you go, he worships the devil. But in your mind, the devil is once again that guy with the picture they worship.

Greg Carlwood (92:28)

And I do think debauchery is a real thing that they're trying to seed in culture. I do agree with that. You know, inversion of everything. Clearly there are things that they're trying to do. But I just think that that particular box, I mean, Schwab himself is Christian. There is a real resurgence that I've noticed of like a Christian nationalist conservative.

Top Lobster (92:51)

That person.

Greg Carlwood (92:54)

Yeah, well, I mean, I'm just observing what is out there. Yeah, yeah. It's just. I. So what's his name? Dr. Jeff Kripal from Rice University, professor of religion. He writes a lot of great books. He's written one, co written one with Whitley Strieber called the Super Space Natural. And, you know, he's great. When I interviewed him, he said that when he teaches his religion class, he tells everyone because he teaches at a master's level. He says, you shouldn't be in this class until you've had at least two worldviews collapse. And I fully believe that. That is kind of why I get so hung up maybe on the Christian thing, because I grew up Catholic, denounced that. It's like, I don't like this box. There's a lot of problems with this went atheist proud card carrying atheist printed T shirts, like I was kind of trolling everybody before that was even a word. And then I went away from that and it's like, you know what? Stop associating yourself with these labels. Stop just because you have a hunch. Stop, like going full hog into this thing and then using the label and making it part of your identify, identity. And I could say the same about liberal and conservative. Like, I've been all over the map. It kind of depends on what the system's doing really is like where the Overton try to counterbalance that. But yeah, it's just like I have now had enough world views collapse that I, I can't, I will not use a label because eventually maybe five years from now I will be like, yeah, that was a mistake. So when you have worldviews collapse, I think it's very useful.

Top Lobster (94:30)

Yeah.

Greg Carlwood (94:31)

And so I don't know, I adopted that attitude from Dr. Jeff Kripal.

Top Lobster (94:35)

I had that happen pretty early. And then it kept me from adhering to anything for, for a very long time. And I, I mean, I do see now that there is this sort of resurgence of Christianity. And it's like it could take the form of Christian nationalism, but I think once again, we're finding it doesn't necessarily line up with the things that we think are happening.

Greg Carlwood (94:58)

Why is that concerning to you? You said, you said it was. I heard you right.

Top Lobster (95:01)

Because we'll often use a thing as a, as a cudgel. They'll reduce it to a caricature of what it actually is, and then they'll use it as a tool to either get other people to bend the knee or let's say in this particular instance, we're all so sick and tired of the debaucherous, morally debased, sexual, sexually deviant kind of culture that's on the rise here in the west, that people are, they're, they're clamoring for it to be over. They want a strong man to come in and, you know, wipe the sleep clean. And, you know, that's what's given rise to like all the Hitler bros and the Nazis were based. And now I think it's what's galvanizing people to the Trump administration. And you know, for better or worse, it's yet to be seen, but I can see where it goes. If it's worse, and that worse is like, now we're going to use the ultra conservative version of Christianity, kind of.

David Lee Corbo (95:52)

Resurrection that we, that I personally reject. I grew up in the church and I've been kicked out of the church for simply disagreeing, for calling out fraud and like that. So yeah, the form of Christianity that will be picked up. I, I understand your distaste and I, I completely get it. I think it's a little bit misplaced because it's unfair. Like it's unfair from the way I'm viewing it. I'm viewing whatever I think this should, this was intended to be this, this idea of Christianity. And, and I'm not going to give up the label because. Fuck you. Like, just because you came along and you've perverted it for the last thousand years. Like I'm supposed to now fold and let you have. No, that's not my. In my personality.

Top Lobster (96:33)

Never theirs to begin with.

Greg Carlwood (96:34)

What they will do the same with the conspiracy term?

David Lee Corbo (96:37)

Exactly.

Greg Carlwood (96:38)

Guilty of the same. I hold on to it. Even though it was created by the CIA to make us looks.

Top Lobster (96:42)

Yeah, well, what else you call us? Truthers. That's very gay.

Greg Carlwood (96:45)

Yeah, I do not like truther.

Top Lobster (96:47)

Very gay.

David Lee Corbo (96:48)

No, I'm lying most of the time. So that doesn't apply. But so this idea of Christianity that, that is going to be picked up by the right, this conservative movement, it's.

Top Lobster (96:58)

Like almost like Fuentes version of.

David Lee Corbo (97:00)

Yeah. We were funneled there. They had trannies on the White House lawn showing fake, their fake tits and they were, you know, trying to cut your kid's penis off. And they're like, wait a second. I got this idea, that thing over there, the one that got us in the war with George W. Bush in Iraq. We can pick that thing back up. I'm like, no, I don't want to pick that thing back up. It doesn't work. It obviously doesn't work. This is like, it's the McDonald's of what churches are supposed to be. It's a watered down version. There's no spirituality, there's no understanding of the supernatural. The book, the Bible's riddled with it. Read it, pick it up, look at it. It tells you right there. But none of the pastors that you're gonna, you're gonna hear preach on a Sunday are gonna tell you that stuff. So it's like, well then what use are you? I have zero understanding of what was even being. What was. What was trying to be taught here in this message by these people thousands of years ago? And now, like you mentioned, which I kind of agree, you could look to any shamanistic practicer and you'd be like, there's a little bit more truth there. This jaguar headed lady just told me something that resonates more than what this person in the church did. It was like, yeah, because they're not there. They have lost. They've completely lost what this was supposed to be. I think there's a lot of truth in it. I think it needs. There should be a resurgence, but in a very specific way, and that's how.

Top Lobster (98:11)

We love that potential resurgence is I recognize also that there's fertile ground for it right now. And I think that that fertile ground was manufactured. So it's like a big pendulum swing that always happens back and forth, back and forth. And we're clearly about to swing that pendulum back to the cultural and political right in a big way. But I would say it's by design. It's like, you know, what makes it really.

Greg Carlwood (98:32)

I agree with the pendulum. You know, what makes it really hard for that pendulum to work. Letting go of the labels.

Top Lobster (98:39)

Yeah. Oh yeah, absolutely. Which is why I agree with you on the, on this, on the terminology Christianity, because I actually brought this up on a previous podcast. It's like, I don't have very much in common with a. Like if you put somebody in the evangelical mega church and you pluck them out and you said, what do you have in common with this person? It's like, you know, outside of the human experience, not very much, actually. And so if they call themselves Christian and I call myself Christian and those and. But we're completely different in so many ways. I, I don't see how. Yeah, the label could be a hindrance in very many ways. And so you know what I look at? I look at everybody does all these rituals, right? You look at the elites and they're doing rituals. What are they doing? It's like, it's involving geometry, it's involving energy, it's involving resonance and frequency. They're doing hums and mantras and there's a, there's a resonance aspect to it. They're doing sacrifice, right? And it seems that that is sort of the building blocks of this realm that we inhabit. And that's the way that you can manipulate them, you know, for better or worse. And then when I look at Jesus Christ and the, and the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, I recognize that, like, on so many Levels. It was the same thing, but more successful. I've almost looked at it like, like God built this realm, he built this universe. And these people became aware of the fundamental building blocks of this universe and how to manipulate it. But God just did it way better, Way better. And I think there are like negative spiritual entities that are pitted against us and that in so many ways Jesus Christ came to set that right. So that, that probably would actually ruffle quite a lot of the feathers of, of modern day Christians, you know, that find themselves in the church at least.

David Lee Corbo (100:09)

So think about it like the original story that why we call ourselves Nephilim Deskwell. It's like, all right, these angels are fallen, they come down, they mate with a human woman and they create these giants, the nephilim. It's a perversion. If you kind of think about the story of Jesus, isn't that like a nephilim, but the perfect Nephilim? It's like God implanted his seed into a virgin, a woman, then that person was born sinless. When we want to talk about child sacrifice being very powerful for these people, well, this person's sinless all the way to 33 years of age and then is sacrificed. And this like, this blood ritual that takes place there then creates this covenant. It's like, yeah, no, it's the same story everywhere. It's just like this story is the one that is done correctly, in my opinion.

Top Lobster (100:54)

People will say it reductively, like, oh, if God's all powerful and omnipotent, why doesn't he do X, Y and Z? Why does he just intervene? Why does he do this? It's like, it seems that there are rules to this realm. It seems that there are fundamental building blocks to this realm. And if you're going to do it, you got to do it that way. Which is why we still see the proliferation of these rituals and ceremonies at scale at like the Super Bowl. And like that is because they are nudging and manipulating this reality. And it's through things like that, symbolism and numerology. And, you know, that's why Pythagoras was so obsessed with There's. It's like he kind of peaked the building blocks of this, this reality in very many ways. Right? If you kind of want to talk about the Matrix, which I even think that that terminology is too reductive for what we're experiencing, but either way that it's made up of like code and things like that, right? Like numerical code. And then when you see, like quantum physicists thinks they have discovered the num code that makes up this reality. And it's like, okay, yeah, because this reality is made up of numbers and geometry and all kinds of things and that's what God used to create it and that's what you use to manipulate it.

Greg Carlwood (101:58)

I mean, I, I agree with like half, it's like I could cut around half that I agree with. But I just think like when it comes to original sin or even Jesus, like we're making a lot, we're taking in a lot of assumptions that are thousands of years old and we're just kind of assuming that it's true because of its legacy, because of its however many other people thought it was true. I just, I can't go there. I, I, you know, you should check out, check it out if you want. But Caesar's Messiah is a great book written by Joe Atwell and he makes the case that back at this time there were a lot of different Jewish sects and they were all kind of rebellious against Rome. And so the Roman Flavius Empire wrote the New Testament. The story of Jesus to be like, here's someone. So the lessons of Jesus turn the other cheek. You know, some of that stuff is great, but it also serves Empire. You should be, you should be poor and non violent. Empire likes that and that, that's a noble thing to be. And if you stand up to us, what are we going to do? We're going to crucify our ass. The most brutal death in the history of deaths. You know, it's been drilled into our head so hard as a kid. I'm going into this church bloody guy on a cross. Like this is to me empire building. This is the empire saying, here's a character we created and if you let this character or if you act like this character, this will happen to you. If you, if you try to challenge the empire, this will happen to you. I mean, you know, that's just one perspective.

Top Lobster (103:36)

I, I wasn't raised in the church. I didn't have any, like, I didn't have any of that experience. I didn't, I wasn't subjected to any of it. I've probably been in the church enough times to count on one hand. But the thing that really hooked me in was kind of the Michael Heiser Gary Wayne narrative of, of the Genesis 6 conspiracy because I recognized that if it truly was about a genetic lineage, right, there's a, a line of the serpent seed, this, this genetic lineage of the fallen, let's say. And then there's the, the human seed. And that genetic lineage. And then I recognize that throughout this whole UAP phenomenon and. And UFO thing, and even our own government, especially now with the IVF thing, there's a huge supernatural interest in our genetics and creating a hybridization program.

Greg Carlwood (104:20)

Yes.

Top Lobster (104:20)

And so I recognize that element as repeating all throughout the human experience. And I recognize that these entities, aliens, gods, whatever, doesn't matter. You know, even Aleister Crowley with the whole Lamb thing, it's like they'll call me aliens or demons today and they'll call me something else tomorrow. Right. That's like kind of the revelation, or part of the revelation from Lamb to. To Crowley. It doesn't matter the label, necessarily. And. And I'm. Like I said, I'm. I didn't have that upbringing, so none of that language is charged for me in any way. I could take it or leave it.

Greg Carlwood (104:50)

I'm deeply traumatized.

Top Lobster (104:52)

Yeah, I mean, that's.

David Lee Corbo (104:53)

You know, I get it, dude.

Top Lobster (104:54)

I get it.

Greg Carlwood (104:55)

I joke. I kid, but, you know, probably is somewhere in there if.

Top Lobster (104:58)

If not you, countless thousands of other people. Millions of other people. Millions, if we're talking historically.

David Lee Corbo (105:05)

There were years for me where I hated the church. Hate it. Wanted nothing to do with it, actually hated God, even the idea of it. Never doubted that he existed. But I was like, I think he existed because they. They me in a way that I, you know, is irreparable. But I had to, like, yeah, I don't know, whatever. That's a. That's a story for another time. But I know exactly where you come from, man. It's. It's disgusting. The organization could be. Yeah, go ahead, David, continue. I'm sorry.

Top Lobster (105:32)

You can gleam something from all of them, though. Like, right when you look at Greek mythology and Zeus has this tendency to transmutate into different animals and then impregnate human women and give birth to demigods. And you're like, oh, nephilim demigods, you know, the heroes of renown or whatever the expression is in the Bible. I think that we get caught up, and maybe that's not wrong on, like, language, terminology, verbiage, things like that. But I recognize that it's all the same story being told, really. At the end of the day, though, there's a fundamental difference. And that fundamental difference, as far as I can see, is are you listening to a group of them who are saying they created you, I. E. The Anunnaki, or something like that. Right. They altered early humanid, or what would you call those? Not primal, man. What? Monkey people.

Greg Carlwood (106:19)

Right.

Top Lobster (106:20)

Yeah. Yeah, and, and they created a better slave race. And then of course there's like the, the, the tall whites, the Norse sort of. Or the Nordics. Right. The alien pantheon. And they're giving us a message. I don't know if they're the Pleiadians, what the hell ever, but that. The Grays, they upgraded us from early hominid to make a good slave race. And then the, the Nords intervened at some point to try to liberate us. They elevated us even further. And so basically the idea is there's a pantheon, a group. Good or bad, doesn't matter. But they made us. Or is there something beyond them? One central God that made them, made us, made this entire universe. And that is usually the deviation. It's like, it's either a group saying they did it or it's, you know, like Christianity. If you read between the lines, it's saying God made them and made us, and they're not too pumped about us.

David Lee Corbo (107:13)

Well, I mean, the main deviation between a lot of these stories. I think we should wrap it up here.

Top Lobster (107:18)

But yes, we have another show in five minutes.

Greg Carlwood (107:21)

If I offended you. No, no, no, I'm kidding, I'm kidding. I know you're not.

David Lee Corbo (107:26)

It's not, it's not every day we get a guest of your size and we get to like, have a good. Yeah, yeah, this is great. But yeah, these pantheon of gods, whether you're going to go to India or wherever, they're always asking like, like for a sacrifice. They want something. On the other hand, this idea of Christianity is flipped on its head. It doesn't want anything and in fact, it's given to you. So like the incentive structure is upside down. And yeah, you could use it as a nation building tool. But in its essence, what it really is, there's a story of forgiveness and then there's a story of constant need. Give me, give me. And it's kind of like, well, which one of these do I really want to choose and serve? Because you're going to worship something no matter what it is. I pick it up, man, you're gonna worship it. Is it your Mario amiibos or is it God? Or is it whatever some Nephilim you.

Top Lobster (108:14)

Choose are your walls covered in Star wars memorabilia? You know, the first thing you see.

David Lee Corbo (108:18)

When you wake up found out Dragon Ball Z is fucking Nephilim. Shit, whatever.

Greg Carlwood (108:22)

Which is awesome. I, I love, I grew up watching Dragon Ball Z and I Dragon Ball Z. And I'm not gonna stop. And you know, you know, the Mario thing too. Right. I mean, Mario eats a mushroom, becomes a better Ubermensch. Human.

Top Lobster (108:36)

Yes.

Greg Carlwood (108:36)

Fights a Reptilian royalty. Like, why the hell did Bowser ever wear a crown? It doesn't really make any sense, but it resonates with people because, you know, the reptilian elite are real and subconsciously we all know it. And that's.

Top Lobster (108:49)

Right.

Greg Carlwood (108:50)

That's how you get Mario.

Top Lobster (108:51)

So we got the answer. If he believes in the Reptilians.

Greg Carlwood (108:54)

Dragon Ball Z. You know, it's just. It is crazy. Like, they become these giant Ubermensch. Yeah.

Top Lobster (109:01)

People.

Greg Carlwood (109:01)

And they fight aliens.

Top Lobster (109:02)

Yep. And they are.

Greg Carlwood (109:04)

They're also androids.

Top Lobster (109:05)

They make Nephilim too. Right. They're like angelic beings that fall from the heavens. And then when they have offspring with human women, those offspring are considerably stronger. You know, they develop faster. Gohan is. Got all this latent ability. Yeah. There's definitely something.

Greg Carlwood (109:19)

It's just really interesting that you take any. Any type of media, video games, anime, whatever, and like, the. The stuff that rises to the top, Spielberg movies, it all contains these themes. Yeah. It is interesting, for sure.

Top Lobster (109:34)

Yeah.

David Lee Corbo (109:35)

I think it's because, like, so again, it could be a concerted. Concerted narrative or concerted idea to push this to the top, but I really think the human condition. We're drawn to the truth. That's why you have 100,000 followers on YouTube and crazy successful podcast, because you're unveiling the truth. So people are going to. They're going to find it and go to it. So when someone gives them a glimmer of that, like, Moana has, like a demigod, and there's like all this stories of. Yeah. It's like people want to hear this story. We know it's. It's true deep inside of it. It's like, tell us in some form or fashion. We like to hear these things.

Top Lobster (110:06)

There are these archetypical stories that resonate with the human experience. And, you know, I think we should be asking why? Is it just strictly a psychological thing, or is it. Was it Freud that said that we believe this because we want to bang our moms? I don't know if that's the case, but I don't want to bang my mom. I swear, I don't want to bang my mom.

Greg Carlwood (110:24)

I'm way more a Carl Young kind of guy than a Freud.

Top Lobster (110:26)

There we go.

Greg Carlwood (110:27)

We're on.

Top Lobster (110:28)

We're at that time now. It's been a fantastic conversation. I hope we didn't scare you off. I hope you'll. You'll come back sometime and talk to us about some more schizo stuff. But before we wrap this up, one more time. Greg, thank you for your time. Where can people find your work?

Greg Carlwood (110:41)

Yes, thehiresidechats.com anywhere you find podcasts, any podcast player. The first hour is always free and sponsor free ad free. We get right into it and just never interrupt it. And then the second hour is for subscribers. The archive is huge, obviously. It's over a decade of content. It's well edited. We take the ums and odds and pauses out, and there's a lot of timeless classics in there. I try not to follow the news cycle, so you'll find interviews that maybe are five years old, but the content is evergreen because we're talking about the history of a certain thing or, you know, dozens of concepts, consciousness, whatever. So it's all there. Check it out.

David Lee Corbo (111:22)

As the Bible says, nothing new under the sun. Right, Greg?

Greg Carlwood (111:25)

Exactly.

Top Lobster (111:26)

There you go.

Greg Carlwood (111:26)

Amen.

David Lee Corbo (111:27)

Amen. Amen.

Greg Carlwood (111:29)

Hallelujah.

David Lee Corbo (111:32)

Oh, man. Guys, thanks for showing up. This has been another great episode. And until next time, don't forget to obey, submit and comply. We'll see you later.

Greg Carlwood (111:41)

The greatest hypnotist on planet Earth is.

Top Lobster (111:44)

A oblong box in the corner of the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real.

David Lee Corbo (111:50)

You can persuade them that what they.

Greg Carlwood (111:54)

See with their eyes is what there is to see regardless, because they'll laugh in the face of an explanation that portrays the bigger picture of and they have.