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161: Cyprian’s Journey Through the Abyss
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In this episode of Nephilim Death Squad, we welcome back the enigmatic Cyprian (formerly Vin Armani), whose path from occult sorcery to Orthodox Christianity is unlike anything you've heard. From his time on Showtime’s Gigolos to his role as a...
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David Lee Corbo
McCrispy strips are now at McDonald's.
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Top Lobster
I hope you're ready for the most.
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David Lee Corbo
Dippable chicken in McDonald's history.
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Top Lobster
Dip it in all the sauces.
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David Lee Corbo
Dip it in that hot sauce in your bag.
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Top Lobster
Dip it in your McFlurry.
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David Lee Corbo
Your dip is your business. McCrispy strips at McDonald's.
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Cyprian
Plan on flying.
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Top Lobster
It's time to upgrade to a real ID because in order to board domestic flights, your driver's license or state issued ID must be a real ID or.
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David Lee Corbo
You'Ll need another acceptable form of identification. So don't wait.
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Top Lobster
Find out how to get your Real ID@tsa.gov RealID that's tsa.gov RealID or visit your local DMV and then you'll be cleared for takeoff.
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David Lee Corbo
McCrispy strips are now at McDonald's.
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Top Lobster
I hope you're ready for the most.
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David Lee Corbo
Dippable chicken in McDonald's history.
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Top Lobster
Dip it in all the sauces. Dip it in that hot sauce in your bag. Dip it in your McFlurry.
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David Lee Corbo
Your dip is your bit business. McCrispy strips at McDonald's.
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Cyprian
Top Lobster Productions.
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Top Lobster
We are being hypnotized by people like this. News readers, politicians, teachers, lecturers. We are in a country and in a world that is being run by unbelievably sick people. The chasm between what we told is going on and what is really going.
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Cyprian
On is absolutely enormous.
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Top Lobster
Oh yeah, dude, this some Nephilim.
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David Lee Corbo
It's like we all know what's going down, but no one's saying what happened to the home of the brave. Take control this now when no one's.
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Top Lobster
Talking about how they made us father be slaves and everybody's just walking around.
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David Lee Corbo
Heading the clouds and want to wake up to a dead in the grave.
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Top Lobster
By then it's too late.
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David Lee Corbo
We need to be ready to raise up. Welcome to the end of day.
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Top Lobster
Everybody is slave. Only some are aware that the government releasing poison in the end.
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David Lee Corbo
Welcome back ladies and gentlemen to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad. I am David Lee Corbo, AKA the Raven, that is Top Lobster, the father of disinformation. Before we get into today's guest, I would like to remind all of our live viewers that this is a 30 minute preview only. Sometime around the 30 minute mark, give or take 10, 20 minutes, we'll be going live exclusively to patreon.com backslash Nephilim Death Squad where you can continue enjoying this conversation, engaging in the live chat and gaining early access to the episode before the general public. You can do it all for free, as well as being there when the Brohemian Grove tickets drop. That's right. Patreon.com backslash Nephilim Death Squad.
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Cyprian
I thought I was gonna have to remind you, David, but we're in it.
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David Lee Corbo
We're already in it late. I. I knew it. And that's where you're going to want to be if you're going to want to get those tickets, because after they go on sale to the General, they're going to be gone. I wouldn't be surprised if it's a matter of days. Once Owen Benjamin, once Sam Tripoli's audience gets a hold of these tickets, they're going to be gone if you want them. Patreon.com backslash Nephilim Death Squad is for you. All right. Joining us today is Cyprian. Hold on. Let's wait for him to pop up. There he is. Cyprian, for the audience who may not be familiar with your work, where can they find you and what is it that you focus on?
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Top Lobster
Well, because of the things that I focus on, I'm no longer very easy to find, I think.
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Cyprian
Great answer.
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Top Lobster
Yeah, I used to be very easy to find, especially when. When I went by the name Vin Armani a little more often, which I still do. But I mean, I guess on Twitter, on YouTube, Cyprianus, c y P R I A N O U S. You can find me on Twitter and YouTube with both of those. And you could go. I mean, there's probably 10 years worth of stuff on those, right? So lots and lots and lots of content. If you just Google. If you just Google my name, Vin Armani, and go into the video section, you'll be able to figure out what I'm about. I mean, right now, what. Right now, what am I about? Probably so digital currency, macroeconomics, a lot of local politics with the. With where I'm at, which is my primary focus. So local politics and policy. And although some of the work that I do, like even this last week, does make it into global press, most of it is pretty local. And that's been really awesome to see. So that's. That's where my focus is on my, my local community, the people, the commonwealth and, and my family and, And Christ, I love that.
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Cyprian
It's like there's so many people. There's a lot of people out there that are kind of like dispensing these black pills, and you're not one of. It feels like it felt like you were dispensing them at first. And I feel like that's like the kickback reaction that, like, I was giving you. And then it's possibly because it's like you're holding up almost like holding up a mirror to. To me or to the other people, like. Like you're out there on. I assume you're on some kind of a homestead, but you're actually talking about local solutions. You're talking about digital current, digital alternate currencies, and then family. And most importantly, like, underneath it all, which I feel like almost all of these people miss, is Jesus Christ and God. Yeah, I'm sorry. This never.
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David Lee Corbo
Unbelievable.
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Cyprian
Yeah, it's my wife. I'm going to have to beat my wife after this.
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David Lee Corbo
That's right. A man of God. It is. It's fascinating because I find that people who actually do the thing ruffle a lot of feathers. In other words, like, it's one thing to partake in the conversation and to. To about your government or to, you know, complain about the way things are going in the direction of a country. And it's very far and few in between that anybody actually takes the trajectory of their own life in their own hands and says, you know what? I'm gonna break away from this system. I'm gonna go and do what's right for me and for my family, and I'm gonna strengthen my relationship with God. It's a big, ballsy move to get up and leave. And it seems like you did that. I would be fascinated in hearing a bit about why you did that.
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Top Lobster
Oh, that's. It's. Yeah, I guess I never really. I've never really, like, taken a step back and examined it, but that didn't really start for me with Christianity, you know, I mean, even some of the stuff that you guys back in the day with whatever little, you know, Twitter back and forth because you guys were defending your hero, you know, even at that time, the things that you guys would call me out about, I mean, even when it wasn't God, I've still been very spiritual. And I've always followed a path that was like, felt to me like the. One of the most spiritual growth. And so, like, the things. The things that people will look back in my past. I mean, I was a star of a very. I was a star of a racy TV show, let's say that. Right? And it was a very interesting aspect of my life. Taught me a ton of. I would say my real interest in economics actually came from out of that. That period in my 30s. And, like, seeing real economics on the ground and like, alternate economies and how that all worked and cash businesses that have existed. Well, you know, I mean, it was in the world, I guess, you would frame it of sex work at the highest end. Right. And so world's oldest profession. So you would assume that there's going to be some deep knowledge about the nature of markets. If you're dealing at the highest end of the world's oldest profession. Sure, right. As an independent operator, you would figure that you would get some subtle learning and wisdom that you probably couldn't get anywhere else. And so, you know, and I mean, my first economics book is actually on that Dao of the gigolo. Right? That's what it's, that's what it's about. It's about the sexual marketplace. And what's the economics of the sexual marketplace. And so I made that again, like, even that situation, I went into that situation knowing, oh, dude, if you do this publicly forever, people are going to use this against you no matter what. Like, they'll use it as a, as a cudgel to hit you over the head with no matter what you do. Right.
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Cyprian
I remember now, I remember now that. Okay, see, it's because there's so much I get into so many Twitter fights, this.
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Top Lobster
So it was like, Dave, your boy Dave Smith called me a hooker.
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Cyprian
Right, Right. It's hilarious. So now here's, here's the thing, though. We, it. We have come full circle, though. It's. It's a strange way. Like, I'm excited to do this interview because we had Dave Smith on, on our conversation, and we had Clint Russell on just to, like, you know, have it be a little bit more even. But the, the topic was God versus liberty and can you have both? And where are you leading these men to? And did you see, did you see the latest Dave Smith debate with Douglas Murray? I don't know if you're, like, plugged into this whole thing.
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Top Lobster
I mean, I can, I can stand about three seconds of both of those guys. But I did go and watch just because it's just. No, I mean, well, I'm just being honest, right? Like, it's not like, for me, that's, that's not a good way to spend an hour for me, because it's just. I, I. Because it's not an hour spent. It's like three hours spent. Because then the two hours afterwards, I just walk around like, ugh, you know, like, replaying it.
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David Lee Corbo
One hour to go through it in two hours to recover.
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Top Lobster
Yeah, to recover. Right. So, but yeah, I, I watched, obviously. Who could miss the highlights Right. I was going through my YouTube feed, and it was like every other video was a reaction video to it, so I definitely caught some highlights.
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Cyprian
Yeah, so it was. It was like a. It was a weird struggle session that he's doing against Joe and Dave. But Dave ran into this issue with him where he's trying to, like, press him, and the guy's being very slippery because it's a debate. And then. And he was like. It was frustrating, but when we spoke to him, it was the same thing because, like, we were kind of trying to, like, I'm not trying to press you on Rothbardian economics or like Mrs. Economics. Like, we were talking about something a little bit bigger than that. We're talking about spirituality. God, where does this all lead? Especially within the Libertarian Party. And he did a thing, again, prefaces with, I do love Dave Smith, he's a friend of mine. But he kept on saying, like, I reject the premise. And it was very frustrating.
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David Lee Corbo
In particular, it was to my questions and my questions. I'm. You know, you may not know this, but, you know, I'm politically retarded also financially and really just incredibly limited in my intellect. But my fascination lies more within spiritual concepts. God and, and conspiracy, really. And what I thought was fascinating about Dave is he is tenacious. You have to kind of give hats off to anybody who. Who digs that deep into a subject, knows the ins and outs of it and can engage at that high, high of a level of a conversation with somebody. And so I had heard that Dave Smith, after he had children, realized that there was a God. And it struck me as interesting because I said, a man who's so tenacious who. Who sees what he thinks is the truth and then aggressively goes after it, surely would have the same feelings when you came to the dramatic realization that God is real. And I didn't. I was not interested in having a debate with Dave Smith. I don't. I don't lose that.
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Cyprian
Yeah.
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David Lee Corbo
I just wanted to get some insight into the thought process of a man who I do respect, and it's now admitted that there is a God. And so. And then, of course, if you look around in politics, you see all of this strange kind of satanic, Luciferian crap. And you can make of it what you will, but certainly it piques your interest and makes you think that was it. And, and, and every time I would repackage that desperately, because my biggest fault is when somebody doesn't understand what I'm saying or asking. That's. That's my imperfect delivery. So I kept rephrasing it, repackaging it, and trying to slide it across the table to him. And what I would be met with was debate tactics, as if I was adversarial, which was not the case at all. So, yeah, very much the same thing that he was kind of fell victim to with Douglas Murray was the same thing he subjected us to. And in. In that way, people found it a fascinating conversation, But I was just a little bit bummed out because I had hoped to have a more genuine, vulnerable conversation.
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Cyprian
I was upset with how it went because we didn't do what we seeked. What we seeked out to do. But I think it pertains. I think it pertains a lot to what? Like this main argument that perhaps you were having that even I wasn't hearing at the time. You were saying some things, and I was. I was hooked on, like, he. He caught you with the stripper thing. It's funny. It's really.
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Top Lobster
Disarmed. Stripper would be. Well, the thing is, it's not. It's. It obviously doesn't disarm. I don't know how it would disarm me, considering I was six seasons on a super successful show called Gigolos, taking a paycheck from all of that, watched by millions of people, stopped in the street as from Panama to Prague by young men saying I was their hero. And it's like, oh, yeah, McCrispy strips.
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David Lee Corbo
Are now at McDonald's.
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Top Lobster
I hope you're ready for the most.
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David Lee Corbo
Dippable chicken in McDonald's history.
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Top Lobster
Dip it in all the sauces.
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David Lee Corbo
Dip it in that hot sauce in your bag.
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Top Lobster
Dip it in your McFlurry.
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David Lee Corbo
Your dip is your business. McCrispy strips at McDonald's. It's a lot of pressure.
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Top Lobster
It's called. Well, no, dude, it's called Gigolos. Like, if you're. That's like. That's like me being like, oh, you're a comic, and that's some sort of insult. It's like, no, dude. Like, I signed up for that. I signed a contract with Showtime. Showtime called me a hooker. I'm not. I was like, I'll be a hooker. Pay me the check. Make me famous. Get me into. It was in Vegas. Let me have a table at every club in Vegas for free. A $10,000 table. Let girls run after me and have two and three in my bed every night. Okay? A hooker that doesn't disarm me. It might make it fun for your. It might make it fun for your guys, and then it Stops the debate. Because I just get slammed by. By people wanting to throw memes at me.
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David Lee Corbo
You know what it is?
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Top Lobster
And then we can't continue the bait.
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David Lee Corbo
It's like something about. It's a great word. It's a great word at the end, in the beginning, it's very pointed. Like, it's. It's got this double O going on.
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Cyprian
It's a good word, but it doesn't allow the conversation to go forward, which is. It's kind of sad. Yeah.
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Top Lobster
It ends it. And. And I think, you know, to your. To. To your point about stopping the conversation, I think that that's really a great heuristic, especially we're coming out of Holy Week, right? Because if you look at the. If you look at the entire story of the Passion, like, what's going on, those who. Like, it's about silencing Jesus, right? And it's. You know, you look at the Beatitudes, and it's like, blessed are you when men shall revile you and persecute you and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely for my sake. So he's even saying, like, so long as you stay oriented toward me, if they call you hooker, it's blessed. She'll say all manner of evil against you falsely for my sake. He's actually saying, our Lord is saying, you're. You don't win the debate. Well, he didn't win the debate.
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Cyprian
He didn't win the debate because we're here three years later or so, and.
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Top Lobster
I'm like, I'm not talking. I'm not talking about Dave Smith.
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Cyprian
Oh, sure, sure, sure.
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Top Lobster
I'm saying Christ didn't win the debate. Christ wound up on a cross.
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David Lee Corbo
Right, right.
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Top Lobster
He won the spiritual warfare. He didn't win the debate with the people who wanted to debate him. The Pharisees, they won. They won the debate by putting him on a cross, by saying. He said he's this. He said he's the king. You have to put him up because the only king is Caesar. Even though that in and of themselves was blasphemy for a Jew to say that occupied people. They went to the occupier, right? And so as a Christian, like, that's the thing that it's like, dude, you're. You're not gonna win the debate. So if what's big for you is winning debates, you can't be a Christian.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah, well, to top's point, even the Dave Smith not. Not debate, right? But that, I suppose that conversation stopper, it really did stop for him. It seems like, and I'm not trying to dunk on him at all, like I said, I do respect him. It's just that here he is all these years later and he's struggling with that concept. And, and it's strange because I know that if you're armed with political and financial knowledge, there is a sort of a quickness to pull that out and engage in, in a combative situation with that information. But it doesn't seem to be the same thing. Once you step into the, the less tangible, let's say, if you step into the supernatural, if you step into spiritual concepts, if you step into biblical concepts, that's where all that sort of tenacity stops. And, and it almost feels like he's stuck now because. Well, because I don't know if you've.
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Top Lobster
Noticed, this doesn't have the fullness he does. So, like, it's interesting. Like, not, not. I'm not meaning to interrupt you, but I don't want to go past what you just said. Right. So it's like, how do, how do you separate the financial and the political from the intangible? Like, how do you separate the financial from the spiritual? When it says in God we trust and has an all seeing eye and a pyramid on the back of the $1 bill, which is the global reserve currency? Because the people who. Right, yeah. Like, how do, what do you. The people who made this clearly didn't separate the two. And then how do you separate out, especially geopolitics. Right. It's like, oh, who are you dealing, who are the countries the US is trying to deal with right now? Russia. Okay. You can't separate the Russian people from Orthodox Christianity.
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Cyprian
Right.
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Top Lobster
Their language, their language was brought to them by the church. Their Alphabet is called what? Cyrillic. Well, who's that? That's Saint Cyril of Saint Cyril and Methodius. Who brought them the Alphabet and who brought them their language? Church Slavonic to translate the Bible. All Slavic languages come from the church's language. They didn't all have one language. Of course you didn't. Because people have been trying to separate the spiritual and the political. So what you're telling me is you're going to go to a country where the identity. So the identity of Russia begins with the baptism of the Rus. St. Vladimir, who Putin is named after and every Vladimir is named after, who baptized the entire Kievan and it's Kiev, who baptized all of Kiev. And that was the beginning of Russian identity. There is no Russian people outside of the church. And you. Okay, so we got to deal with them. But you want to separate out spirituality from geopolitics, then who? Iran, which is a freaking theocracy and so is Israel. And you want to talk about this Somehow, absent of theology, the biggest conflict in Ukraine is. Is theological. The schisms, the things that are happening there are about the church. There's a schismatic church. The Kievan government is imprisoning priests, Russian Orthodox priests. They took over. They took over and seized. And we want to separate it out all. So we're like, oh, it's not connected. They seized the oldest and most important Orthodox monastery. It's in Kiev. It's the Lavra. It's the Kiev caves. If you're an Orthodox Christian and you look at the saints list and you read the lives of the saints every day, there's saints from the Kiev caves. It's the root. It's the root of Russian Orthodoxy. It was taken over. Like, how do you not. How do we have a conversation about what's going on over there? How do we negotiate? How do you deal with what the actual reality of the struggle is? If you want to separate it from spirituality, you can't. Politics and economics are the most, and always have been the most spiritual things. They came from the priest class.
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Cyprian
I didn't know.
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Top Lobster
And so it's. Well, of course it's crazy. Of course you didn't. Because the whole idea is we're going to separate it out. But here's. Here's. Here's the thing. How do you ever. How do you ever predict what's going to happen? How do you ever make the right move if, like, these most important foundational core variables you're not even dealing with? So when somebody's like, I've got so much knowledge about politics, I've got so much knowledge about economics. And then I hear nothing. I don't even hear them acknowledge the spiritual basis or the religious basis underneath the conflicts and concepts that they're talking about. Then I say, you don't have any knowledge.
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David Lee Corbo
That's where I've been getting a little bit stuck, or especially where I got stuck with Dave, because I think the greatest point that you can make in regards to sort of, let's say, like, this. This darker aspect, this Luciferian aspect that's infiltrated, you know, the hearts of some people, and some of those people are in government. And that best shows itself, in my opinion, when it comes to, like, the whole Jeffrey Epstein, you know, sexual blackmail and the exploitation of children. And obviously that includes so many people that are not just involved with politics, but are incredibly influential in, in geopolitics. That I go. How can you leave that part of the conversation out when some of the most nefarious things that are happening. It wasn't long ago that the whole world was gripped with the whole Epstein story, and that was tied in so intimately with not only Hollywood, but politicians. And it's like that just isn't addressed.
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Top Lobster
It's.
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David Lee Corbo
It's almost like it's. It's the same thing as a person who is in the scientific community who starts to study, Study something that falls into what they deem is pseudoscience. It's very similar where you don't really bring it up. So you can bring up Epstein, let's say, and you could bring up like, the political blackmail aspect of things, but don't bring up the temple, don't bring up the ceremony, don't bring up the rituals. Don't bring up the golden owls. Don't bring up any of that stuff.
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Cyprian
Don't bring up the fact that he's like, shape shifting, like.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah, yeah, we heard some horrifying stories about that too. But they, they. It. To me, it strikes me as a weakness in people who I regard as, like I said, intellectually significant and, and, you know, really have their, Their adept, you know, in, in. In learning and going after information and disseminating information. I don't see it as an inability. It seems like a choice. There's a choice to ignore those things. And then it, to me, it throws everything that you're saying into chaos. Because if you're not going to address this elephant in the room and you're not going to have a conversation about that, then I can't listen to anything you're saying.
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Top Lobster
Well, we got to. I think. All right, so this is.
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Cyprian
All right.
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Top Lobster
So I think you're right, but. And I feel you. It's there, but I, I think, you know, nuance. Nuance is everything. Like, to seek Christ is to. Is to fight ferociously for nuance. That's what my spiritual father, Father Turbo Qual, says, right? And so it's like, if we're going to talk about elephants in the room and we're going to talk about the culture that breeds Epstein, and we're going to talk. We like the first thing we have to do, right? It's like, how are we going to point out the spec in our. In our neighbor's eye without looking at the log in ours, right? And so, like, let's look at. Let's look at, like, what's not being talked about because the, like, there's things that are closer to home that are not being talked about. So, like, we're broadcasting on the Internet, right? We're broadcasting. And I mean, I'm a software developer and I've been on the Internet since 1995. So, like, I have a pretty good sense of what's moving across the Internet. But, like, what would you guys say? Like, people are watching this content, but, like, for a long time it probably is still true. What type of content would you say is occupying the most amount of bandwidth that. That's coming over the Internet?
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David Lee Corbo
Oh, yeah, I would say pornography. I didn't even think about that. Good point. Top.
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Top Lobster
Fantastic. Fantastic. Okay, so now here's the. Here's another question. Who pays for who? Who pays to watch pornography?
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David Lee Corbo
Nobody.
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Cyprian
Nobody.
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David Lee Corbo
It's one of the few things they give us for free.
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Cyprian
You pay with your soul. I guess there is a price.
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Top Lobster
Hold on, but hold on. I. And I mean, my background's in streaming media. It isn't free to stream hd. What's the business model if nobody's paying? Somebody is paying for all this. If the most content that's traveling across the Internet is porn, that's data center after data center after data center hosting that data. That's all kinds of infrastructure to serve it. Tons of electricity. Who's paying for it and why?
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David Lee Corbo
That's a great question.
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Cyprian
I mean, I know that there's like, it's like, packed with advertisers. There's going to be ads going on.
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Top Lobster
But. But who's. But the ads are for you to go and click on and buy and buy and buy a membership to some porn.
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Cyprian
Who's clicking that, though? Yeah, but. Nobody.
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Top Lobster
Nobody, Right? That's the point I'm making to you right now. That's the point I'm making.
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David Lee Corbo
Who do you think is making it free?
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Top Lobster
Well, here's the thing. You say you want to talk about Epstein. I'm like, I don't know Jeffrey Epstein, but I know hundreds of men who watch porn on a daily basis online. You want to talk about the things that we're not talking about. You want to talk about the things where it's like, clearly there's a real conspiracy there. Like, clearly there's a conspiracy, meaning like some group of people is together and is giving this away for free. And it's to everyone and it's consuming the majority. Think about it. So we have an Internet culture. We talk about the Internet all the time. It's big business. We've got, oh, Mark Zuckerberg and these face Facebook and Elon Musk and all of them, they're on the inauguration stage with Donald Trump. But what's the most content? That's. What are the people spending the most time watching? Where's that guy? Who. What's his name? What's his name?
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David Lee Corbo
That's a thing.
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Cyprian
You know what, though? I'll.
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Top Lobster
You know Jeffrey Epstein's name. You don't even know his name.
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Cyprian
Here's what they're gonna say.
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Top Lobster
Jeffrey Epstein and start trying to figure out what his name is.
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Cyprian
They're gonna say this, say the Jews. But I'm gonna say, like, we're gonna go to like an Owen Benjamin point, which is a little bit more. Not a little bit. It's a lot more nuanced.
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Top Lobster
Right.
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Cyprian
Unless the Jews. Yes, to a certain extent.
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David Lee Corbo
But yeah, you have that like, that owns pornhub or something.
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Cyprian
Like, it's. Sure. And another guy selling dildos with his daughter. That's a whole nother thing.
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Top Lobster
Right.
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Cyprian
But Owen will tell you, Rabbi Shmuli, Owen will tell you, you gotta. You gotta defeat the J in your own heart. And it's something that got me in trouble. I got like, doxed by groipers. They. They flooded my account with like, followers then. I mean, they did not like that where I was like, listen, you guys are complaining, but again, like, you're saying you're still gooning every day. Yeah, every day to this stuff is like, what are you doing? Who's paying for it? Someone's paying for. Someone's putting it in front of you.
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Top Lobster
But you're paying for it. Someone's paying for it. And so, you know, as a Christian, the answer. We know the answer. And that's why orthodoxy was. That's why I came to Orthodoxy was because these are the questions that I under. I understood what the answer to these questions was, right? Because I was operating in that world right there. There are people who are in the media who have. Who are in the vein of the Epstein story, who were clients of mine, Right. And one of the things that I know is that the things being said about them in public are not true.
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Cyprian
How so?
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Top Lobster
Because some of the. Well, because some of the events that are being talked about in public, I was at. And so you can't tell me that something different happened at these events that I was at than what I actually experienced. So then I know that these people are lying.
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David Lee Corbo
What's the nature of what's been accused? And then what's the nature of the actual Event.
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Top Lobster
So the nature of what's been accused. And some of your audience will figure out what this is. Given my background, if they know that the. The stories that are out there, the big ones, you know, name, household names, the stories are very, like, dark, twisted, perverted, and the reality was super vanilla. Like some of the most vanilla experiences I've ever had in my life.
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David Lee Corbo
Interesting. So then if that is the case, the question becomes, why sensationalize it?
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Top Lobster
Because ephesians. Because Ephesians 6:12. Because it's spiritual warfare. Ephesians 6:12. We wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers. Right. Spirit of darkness. That's it. It's not flesh and blood. And at the end of the day, if you can be. If it can be sensationalized and it can draw your attention to it, well, now you're thinking about these things that didn't exist. Now you're operating in a fantasy in your head. And oftentimes I'm like, well, why do you. Why do you want to think about children being abused? Like, there's no question that children are being. That there is out there. There's child abuse and children are being abused. There's no question about it. But why do you want to think about it? Like, especially 99.9% of people are not going to do anything except they're not going to contribute to. They're not going to go and volunteer for, like, you know, that's a mental health thing for child abuse survivors. They're not gonna. No. They're gonna, like, share things and get outraged about it and talk about it and think about it. They're not gonna help the victims. They're just gonna live in a fantasy of thinking about it. Yeah. If I'm a demon. If I'm a demon, that's what I want you to do.
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Cyprian
I was. We just spoke to somebody yesterday, this guy, Nathaniel Gillis, and he's outlining this idea that. I forget the name of the experiment that they did, but had to do with people that were channelers, specifically, like the C5 stuff, channeling UFOs, but this is just demonic stuff. And they channel. And they'd have a control group and then they'd have the group that might have been experiencing. And they're telling one group a story and the other group is mimicking it, but, like, separately. So it's almost as if the entities that are actually coming through to these other people are hearing that story, replicating it, spreading it, and it's just completely their fabrication. But it seems Powerful and it scares people.
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Top Lobster
And it's like, it's non local. It's non local intelligence, right? Like, Rupert Sheldrake did tons of experiments on this. Tons of experiments, right? And prayer, like, prayer is real. This is not, I think. And this is yet another thing for me of why orthodoxy was when I was like, oh, oh, that's Christianity. Because I could never figure out, you know, I'm half Mexican, so like, obviously Catholicism was there. And then I'm half black, so like the black church was there as well in my life. And then, you know, I got involved in psychedelics in high school. And then that always was a part of my life and like that trajectory even to, like, when I found Christianity, I mean, I was heavy into a, like ayahuasca group. Went like before, it was cool. And I was drawing a lot from that. And like, I had had tons of experiences with real, like what I would call demons. Now the problem that I had was that that was the, the reason I went down that path wasn't for any other reason except it was the only, like, spiritual tradition that I had encountered that addressed the real world that I was experiencing with my eyes and ears, right? That like, oh, here I experienced this thing and then I'm like, what is that? And the ayahuasca shamans could talk to me about it. And there was a tradition that they were speaking from. I go to a Baptist minister and he's got nothing for me. He'll probably tell me I didn't experience it.
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Cyprian
And this is what, this is what this show has kind of become. Exactly what you're saying. It's, it's. Every conversation always leads here. I guess maybe we're like leading it by the nose, but this is exactly what this is. And I try not to be too hard on the modern church, on the. Because I was. I grew up in the church my whole life. There's a lot of great people there. I had falling outs too. So I try to, like, temper my bias with it. But it does leave you lacking in a lot of these areas. And, you know, then where am I to search, like ayahuasca mushrooms, find a shaman, and what are you going to find there, you know?
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David Lee Corbo
And by the way, those guides, those shamans, they can tell you quite a bit about your experience and quite a bit of it is true. It's just the nature of what you're experiencing is what they. They don't, you know, have a grasp on it. They think it's something else. And so, yeah, on one side there's no answers. And on the other side, there's a lot of answers. And it's. It's very troubling for people who come face to face with the realization that this phenomenon is real, it exists. They've been told it doesn't exist. Right. The materialistic paradigm of the west says, no, it's not true. And where do you have to go? Who do you have to turn to? Some chicken and a bunch of crystals, you know, Or. Or a shaman in the Amazon.
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Top Lobster
Because. Because the trick, like. And that's the. That's the great trick. That was the great trick. The great trick was that. I mean, it's a masterful trick of the demons, is that they were able to deliver something called Christianity, but without Christ, and they were able to put it into the Western world. And so then. Yeah, so then you wind up with. The only place you could go is to the east, where it's nothing but, like, far east. Right. To go to India, where it's basically nothing but demons.
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David Lee Corbo
Correct.
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Top Lobster
And it's like, you're not. Because if you. All of that. All the. All those are real. Like, that's like dealing with ayahuasca. Like, she's a small G God goddess. Right. And the. The Orthodox Christian church is like, yeah, those gods are. That's why the. The Orthodox are like, don't do yoga. They're like, you don't do yoga because it's like you're really gonna channel. It's a tool for channeling these small G gods, these demons, whether you know it or not. You don't do yoga the same way you don't do Ouija. A Ouija board. You know what I mean? Like this.
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David Lee Corbo
This.
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Top Lobster
These postures and this way of going. And these mantras were designed to summon other gods. Right.
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David Lee Corbo
I think it's like you're contorting your body into a little antenna sometimes too. You know what I mean? Like, some of the positions and everything. Yeah.
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Top Lobster
Well, it comes. It. The reason those, like, those positions were not just like all spiritual things. They were not invented, they were discovered. You know, some Rishi in the mountains spent his entire life contorting his body until he came into a particular sequence that got him into contact with God better. But that's the same way that the liturgy emerges, right? Like the. The. The Orthodox Christian liturgy as it stands today is not what it was, you know, at the time of St. John Chrysostom. Even though they call it the liturgy of St. John Chrysostom, it's not what he Was celebrating in Constantinople. There's been additional things added on, and the church knows when those were added on, and they know why. And it was because they added it and it. And the people were like, oh, yeah, got them closer to God. Miracles started happening. More people got converted, and they were like, okay, we leave that. And then you go. And then you go, and you go and go. And then somebody has a saint, has a revelation where he starts adding this in a monastery, starts adding this thing, and that monastery is like, it becomes a center of spirit. And they're like, what are you doing? What are you doing here? People go, and they're like, let me attend liturgy. Because you guys are really delivering on this. Oh, here's this other piece. Let's go back and add that. Right? And so it's. It's this series of revelations that are coming as the Holy Spirit reveals themselves. Okay. But when you ask ayahuasca shamans, how on earth did you figure out this very precise way of brewing these two plants to get this? And they say, oh, ayahuasca told us.
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Cyprian
Yeah, this is a form.
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Top Lobster
And you go, wait a second, wait a second. That means ayahuasca is not in the brew. Because if she told you before the brew was made, that means she's not in the brew.
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Cyprian
Where's the egg?
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Top Lobster
Right?
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Cyprian
That's the question. Yeah, the egg.
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Top Lobster
The brew is. The brew is just the yoga posture. Yeah, the brew is just part of the liturgy. It's just that particular prayer. It's. It's a. It gets. It's like. It's the process to get to it. And it's like, we do this. We do this with everything. We do this with everything. If you go on apprentice with the carpenter, there's going to be a series of things that you're going to do, and you're just not. There's all this fluff that carpenters from time immemorial tried and then discarded. And what you've wound up with is like, no, just walk on this path. This is the process to it.
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David Lee Corbo
Yes.
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Top Lobster
You know, and.
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Cyprian
But never. But never why. It's never like. My question is always the why. We speak to a guy named Ed Mabry, and he has a show called Faith by Reason, or his ministry is Faith by Reason. And it's like, I'm the type of person that needs that. And blessed are those who believe without seeing. But, like, man, me, I need to know the nuts and bolts of it if I'm going to be in. And it's a flaw of Mine. I'm working on it.
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Top Lobster
No, you know, you can't. It's not a flaw. It's like, it's. You're setting yourself up for destruction because you're. Because you're asking to know. You're asking the why of something that. That there's no possible way for your conscious mind to comprehend the actual answer.
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Cyprian
Well, what I mean is, like, so my parents will say, don't have sex before marriage, right? And I'm like. I say, why? And they say, well, that's fornication. And the Bible speaks against that. And I was like, feels good. What's fornication mean? It does, but nobody explains you fornication. It's spiritual sin.
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Top Lobster
You know, this is easy. Well, this is easy, right? So it's like, just go back to the root so you can. There's a document called the DDOC A, right? This is the original catechetical document of the apostles. So the church accepts this as basically the document that the apostles would use to catechize new Christians, the apostles themselves, right? And the opening words is there are two ways, but a vast difference between them. The way of life and. And the way of death. It's that simple. There's two ways. There's the way of life and the way of death. And so if you're like, why shouldn't I. Why shouldn't I have sex before marriage, right? And somebody says, that's fornication. No, the answer is because if all of the marriage is there because it leads to life, why does marriage lead to life? Why would. Why would marriage be a path to life, whereas fornication would be a path to death? Because you play it out to what if every single person was doing it?
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Cyprian
You don't have to play it out. Look at America.
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Top Lobster
Which society would live longer if there's two societies, right? Two groups of tribes, and for the last three generations, this tribe has had no marriage. And this tribe has had strong monogamous marriage with a marriage tradition. And they have to fight a war against each other. Which one is going to win and which one is going to be wiped out? There's no question.
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Cyprian
You know, I saw a video today. Not to do a tangent here, but there was a couple of African tribes that had no word for the word maintenance. And. And then you look at there, they're like, the British came here and they built a railroad, and it's in shambles. They don't even have the concept for it. So, like, this is exactly what you're talking about. If there's no concept for this. These things will deteriorate. But what I'm saying is not. Not how do the inner workings of the universe work? Like, I'm not trying to get into occult magic, but nobody could even satisfactorily explain to me this concept, which is fairly simple. It should be taught everywhere, choosing life. And then extrapolate that down. It's not really taught by many people. I didn't hear it. Not until fairly recently.
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Top Lobster
Ask yourself this, right? If there's a church that calls itself Christian. Well, this is one of the reasons why sola scriptura is such a, like, trick of the devil. Because if you can convince somebody that, oh, don't look at anything except what's in this book, the Bible, then. And I'm like, wait, wait, wait. But this is the actual catechetical document that the apostles who are talked about in the Bible were using. And even the Bible says that there's so much more here. So it's like, no, no, no, just stop right here. Don't deal with any of the things, the knowledge and the wisdom of people who actually knew Christ and then what they did in terms of, like, their life and spreading the faith and all of this. Only pick this few little things. Then that's how you never get to the idea that, oh, wait, you're telling me that the guys who wrote the Bible also, this is what they taught Christianity was the way of life and the way of death. How come I never heard that?
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David Lee Corbo
That's. And it's like, yes, that's a fascinating thing that I'd actually like to hear a little bit more about because it kind of plugs into just my own experience. I'm. I'm a relatively new Christian. My entire life, I was sort of.
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Cyprian
David, we're not cutting the stream. And they, they. Although the Patreon members. Look, no, we're not cutting the stream today.
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David Lee Corbo
Very upset.
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Cyprian
Yeah, this needs to be heard. We'll, We'll. I don't even think it needs to be edited down, but we'll figure it out later. But. So we'll let this. If you're. If you're watching live. Enjoy, enjoy. You owe us. You owe us five dollars. Later.
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David Lee Corbo
Okay. My thing is being new to Christianity, I, I've always been a conspiracy theorist, but there was a pivotal point in my life where I realized that the, the biblical worldview was incredibly accurate and that it really helped to understand a lot of this conspiracy and supernatural that I was looking at. And so I moved in that direction. And then this show Started not too long after that. So very much what people are watching is like my journey into Christianity and understanding the Bible and understanding Jesus and, and all of these concepts. But I've noticed that now that I'm on this, it's a very narrow path, right? And if I, if I should step one way, then a whole bunch of Christians freak out and call me a deceiver and all these different things. If I should step the other way, then a different group of Christians will call me a deceiver. I'm misleading a flock.
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Cyprian
It's a lot of fun.
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Top Lobster
It's wild.
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David Lee Corbo
I've never experienced this before and, and I'm noticing now that like, oh, now, now that I've done this and I've said, I do believe in Jesus Christ. I believe that he came, he is the Son of God, he died for our sins. And he. And he is the way, the truth and the life. And I believe that the Bible is, is worth, you know, tenaciously looking into and learning and all these different things. That is almost me saying to people in some way that I will not absorb any other information now besides the Bible. And if I, if I do absorb any other information outside of it, then I am, you know, just a misleader of the Brethren or some crazy thing like that. I never position myself as a leader of anybody. I'm just trying to understand things. So you're talking about how there are these other texts. And obviously, you know, on this show we've explored the extra canonical text too. And you know, those are extra canonical. They're not the inspired Word of God.
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Top Lobster
Text is not important. Like text, like not start on texts, right? Because like, the Church is not. So there's a great. If people really want to understand the Orthodox Church, it's like the shortest thing, but it's one of the great modern saints, Saint Nikolai Velimirovich, he's a Serbian. And the title of this little. It's like an excerpt, but it's kind of a little essay. The title is Orthodoxy is a Dramatic Mystery. And in it, one of the things that he says is, he says, ours is not a book religion. It's not even a learned religion. Ours is a dramatic mystery. Because he's responding. I think he's maybe presenting at a conference or something. And he's saying that he starts out by saying many Englishmen remark that the Bible is not often read in Slavic homes. Like especially, like, very pious. Right? The, the Bible is. And, and these other texts, the texts of the Fathers is the way is. Is a means by which we can judge what it is we are being taught in terms of the practices through the. Through the tradition. So the first thing to understand is that, like, the apostles didn't have the Bible. Like, the church existed for 300 years without a Bible. The Bible was not there. Is the canonical Bible didn't exist for the first 300 years of the church. So you're talking about the apostles didn't have a Bible. The people who were trained by the apostles and appointed bishops by the apostles didn't have a Bible. The people that they appointed and were trained as bishops didn't have a Bible. What they had was Christ and their experience with Christ. Right? And so it's the text. The texts are the record of that, but the texts are the record of an experience. So what we are called to have is we are called to have an experience with Christ. But. But the demons can also literally appear as Christians. And the Orthodox tradition is full of the saints talking to people. Could go to Saint Nicetas of Novgorod, where a demon shows up as an angel to him and actually tells him, just go read the Bible. Just go read the Bible.
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David Lee Corbo
You ever hear that story of Tila Tequila where she claims that she had intercourse with Jesus and that he appeared to her as a dragon? And it's like, I don't know what?
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Cyprian
Doesn't sound like Jesus to me, dude.
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Top Lobster
Well, let me tell you one that does sound like Jesus, but how careful you got to be. Saint Paisios. So Saint Paisios, one of the great modern saints, he tells a story. It's really kind of funny. He tells a story about he had many experiences with Christ, with demons, with angels. But in this one, he's in his cell. He lived on Mount Athos. I mean, in terms of saints, see, this guy is like, top for the modern saints. Lived on Mount Athos. He said the ceiling of his cell, you know, his little shack, whatever goes away. Heavens open up, singing angels, Blonde Jesus comes down and he says, paisi, you've been bound to be so worthy through your piety. You're worthy to look upon me. You are blessed among men. And he goes, oh, I'm definitely not worthy to see Christ. And all of a sudden, boom, it goes away because it was a demon.
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David Lee Corbo
Oh, that's a.
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Cyprian
This is a good question. I have. So obviously in the Bible, it tells you to test the spirits. What is the best way in? Have you read anything about how that.
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Top Lobster
Was it right there? That was it.
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Cyprian
Just call them on their. On their nonsense.
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David Lee Corbo
No, he didn't Even call them on their nonsense. He knew something about himself.
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Top Lobster
Humility. So. So as Orthodox people, the two things that we're really taught to pray for are. It's about testing the demons. Right? Because the whole, for us, life is nothing but spiritual warfare. That's it. And I mean, we. This is why, you know, we don't often read the. The Old Testament, but the Old Testament is all read during Holy Week. And like, the important ones, the most important it of those I. To me, from what I could tell going through it, is Job. Right. Because that's the. It's. It's like a. A microcosm of the spiritual warfare. But it's over one man, the devil and God. Right. And the devil's going to take everything away. But the devil doesn't always take everything away. He'll also give you. That's. I experienced that myself. Right. Like I've said, I've led a charmed life.
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Cyprian
So this is what we were talking about before. Yes, Cyprian. It's like where, like, we're constantly asking ourselves that question, am I going in the right direction? And I had a discussion with a friend of mine. I said, well, you know, doors keep opening. I'm not. I'm not asking for these things, but it seems like I'm being led to go this way. And he's like, he told me, he said, hey, man, maybe that door is opening to your demise. And it's like, yeah, that's actually a possibility. I don't.
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Top Lobster
Look, wait, so hold on. So hold on. Don't go past the door opening because it's super, super important. This is one of the big things that Father Turbo taught me that I was like, whoa. One of the most powerful aspects of my prayer life is. So we pray for discernment and humility. Those are the two things. Discernment is to tell what again, to judge the path. And then humility is to accept when it's God's will. But he said the thing to pray for is you pray for God to close the doors that are not supposed to be open. So you talk about.
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Cyprian
That's what I asked.
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Top Lobster
Yes, I constantly ask. Yes.
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Cyprian
If I'm. If I'm doing the wrong thing. Like I said, I don't say closer. Do I say slap me down like, yo, just make it obviously discouraging.
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Top Lobster
Yes, that's it. Well, it's the same. It's the same idea. Right? But since. Since, you know, in your thought process, you're already like, hey, I'm seeing doors open, you know, Key in on that. Because there's. There's already a concept and a pattern and all of that that's inside of you to be like, okay. And that's where we pray for humility. Because the way that you know the demons is the demons give you what you want. God gives you what you need. Because Christ asked us to bear our cross. Now, my own experience has been this. My own experience has been what Christ gives me is always better than I could have imagined. It always fulfills whatever I wanted. But I realized that if he would have given me what I wanted, it wouldn't have been as good, right? It's almost like I'm thinking, I need a car. And I'm like, what if I could just have a Honda Civic? And if I'm just, like, working, working, working towards a Honda Civic, But God's like, yo, if you will just back off, I got a Lamborghini being shipped on a boat that's. It's coming for you and it's yours. But you just got to back off wanting that Honda Civic so bad. Like, because I don't. That's not what I have for you. I have something so much better. So you just got to rock with me. And I'm like, no, no. And he's like, no, I'm closing off the thing on the Honda Civic side. And I'm like, no, why are you doing this? God let me have it. And he's like, dude, chill, Chill. And that has been. That's the experience that brought me to orthodoxy. Like, it's not the experience that I had because I, like, believed something. And that's like, prosperity gospel bs. This is the experience that I was having with Christ where with my heart, I was reaching out to be like, what's happening right now? I'm engaging with Christ. I don't know how to engage with Him. I wasn't in the Church, but it was delivering in this weird way, and my life was becoming better, right? And then he brought a priest into my life, and that priest was, like, perfect for me. Like, literally perfect for me. Like, he grew up blocks away from where I grew up. You know what I mean? Had such similar experiences in my own life. And it was like, what is happening? What is happening right now? And so then it's. But this is what you say that it's like, the incontrovertible truth. I was just having a conversation, you know, and it's appropriate. It's appropriate because the time that we're at in the liturgical calendar with the Resurrection, but You know, this story in John of, you know, doubting Thomas, they say, oh, don't. Don't be a doubting Thomas. But we, like, really look at Thomas, right? Like Thomas, the guy who's not there in the, like, secret room that they're. That all the apostles are hiding, scared in. Like, he's. He's obviously a brave guy. I think he probably went out to get supplies or whatever when everybody else is hiding.
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David Lee Corbo
So I actually am not familiar with it. Would you mind explaining it?
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Top Lobster
Yes, absolutely. So this is called the Johannine Pentecost. So John is. John is different in some of the stories of. Of what happens than the other three Gospels. The other three gospels are kind of like exactly the same story. And John has. Is like. And it's the same John that wrote the book of Revelation, right? So it's. It's a. It's a little more mystical. Like, John is the really mystical Gospel. So in the Johannine Pentecost, they show up to clean Jesus's body after three days, right? This is a. This is the story. They show up, the rock has been moved from the tomb. They go in, and then they start weeping. There's no body. But somehow they don't notice that there's, like, somebody just standing over there. And they're like, don't weep. He's risen. And then the women all leave, except for Mary Magdalene. And then she thinks that this character is, like a caretaker. And then he starts talking to her, and he's like, mary, Mary, Mary, Mary. You don't recognize. And then she hears his voice, and she's like, Jesus, like, it's you, right? So then first the, like, main apostles, like Peter and that they bring them. Then they realize it. Then Mary runs off. Mary Magdalene, she runs off. The apostles are all hiding because they're scared. I mean, look, their leader just got executed, right? So they're totally scared that, like, they're next and they would all be martyred, right? They were all going to be killed by the government eventually. So she goes. She goes to the room where they're at. She tells them they don't believe it. They're like, get out of here. This didn't happen. And then he shows up. He, like, walks through the wall and shows up in this room to them, but Thomas isn't there. And so they all believe. So now basically all the apostles believe and they've seen him, except for Thomas. And Thomas shows back up, and Thomas is like, yeah, I don't know. They're like, he came in the flesh, like, he had the wounds, and he's like, man, how do you know that somebody's not trying to, like, trick us? I would need to like, did you go up? Did you feel the wounds? Did you put your hands in the wounds and they're like, no, no, it's. I mean, it's. It was him. It was totally him. And he's like. Because I guess he's looking a little bit different. This is the story that we get in all the Gospels that, like, there's something different about him and they don't immediately recognize him. They only recognize him later. Right? So this is a mystery. We don't know what this is, but this is the story as it takes place. So then Thomas is there, and then Christ shows back up. So they call him doubting Thomas because he doubted. But, like, they don't continue on, because if they continued on, then that tells you about the nature of Christ. Because often what people who have had a falling out with Christianity say is that their experience with Christianity was that. Well, and it's kind of like, as you said, lobster was like, there's no answers. They just are like, don't do it. Because you're not supposed to do it. You're supposed to have a kind of a blind faith and a belief, and that's what draws people away from Christianity. But that's not Christianity, because when Christ shows back up and Thomas is there, Christ doesn't say, don't believe in me. Right at the end, he says, blessed are those who believe, but they haven't seen. But in between that, he goes, okay, put your hands in the wounds. Yeah.
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Cyprian
Feel the wounds.
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Top Lobster
Yeah. If that's what you need from me to believe, then here I am. If you need the proof, I give you the proof. Put your hands in the wounds. Now, the trade off is this. If you ask for the proof, see the reason why, this is the thing. The reason why you're blessed, like, blessed, like lucky. Because the reason why you're blessed if you believe without the proof, is that your payment, your reciprocal payment is much less, because Thomas needed the proof. But then he went farther than any of the apostles. He went to India, he went to China. When the Portuguese showed up to India, into Malabar, and they had the cross, the people were like, oh, oh, we know that. That's like the. These people who live over here. And they were like, what? What are you talking about? We just got here. We're coming here, converting Asia. What do you mean, the people who live over here? And they were like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, go over there. They call them Thomas Christians today. They're in there. They're in communion with Rome. But he went over there. They were doing the Syriac rite. The people that Thomas had converted that I actually went to school with. One of her last name was Malin Charleville, which is a big. And she was like, yeah, we're Catholics. And I was like, what are you talking about? And she was like, yeah, we've been Catholics for thousands of years. I was like, what are you talking about? Because Thomas went all the way to India. So it's like, you'll get proof, but be prepared. He'll give you proof. But what you owe for that proof is that now that you have proof, you don't get to deny him anymore and you got to go the full way.
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Cyprian
That is something fascinating. It's something I think about a lot. Like, we read a lot of spiritual encounters, and I may have had some, but like, some people have things that are really profound and some people will even say, I want to have that. But when I think about it, I.
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Top Lobster
Go, no, you don't.
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Cyprian
That's exactly what I say. I'm like, I'm good. I believe it, but I'm good. I don't need to experience these things. David has some crazy experiences, but like, exactly. So like, I don't have to go as far. I'm not going to India. It smells. It's horrible.
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David Lee Corbo
Well, you know what it sounds like to me? That. Not to be self aggrandizing, but that sounds so much like what I went through. Because like I said, for, for years I was just looking at this conspiracy realm and, and trying to, you know, sift through it, find the truth, who's who's in control, who's, who's what baddies are pulling the strings. And then, yeah, I had a horrifying experience, an absolutely horrifying experience that I couldn't quantify that my wife saw that, my son saw that I saw. And the only thing that rectified that situation was calling on Christ in, in quite a desperate way. I had never done so before. And then after that, not only did I feel, I felt beholden, I felt like I owed a significant debt and, and that if I were to denounce Christ or, or you know, suddenly rest on my laurels and be like, I don't know, is he real? You know what I mean? Like, like I, I was shown in such a way that it was definitive in that moment. And I, and I felt like I had to remember that moment forever because I didn't have any doubts in that moment. I was so desperate, that doubt was removed from the equation. So how dare I do it in the future? And now it almost seems like, yeah, and here's your bag. Now you have to talk to, you know, tens of thousand people, tens of thousands of people about Christ, I guess is. Is that's essentially what happened. It was a lot of what I started doing just in the beginning of the show was just sharing my testimony, just talking about my experience. And, you know, people would say things to me, especially in the beginning, like, oh, I want to believe Jesus, but I. I'm not there yet. And. And it was almost like a. Give me some information that could help. And I'm like, I have no information, baby. I just have my story. I could tell you what I went through and, and maybe that'll mean something to you, but I can't. My walk was so weird and, and almost embarrassing, right? Because it's like I was sifting through old dirty boxes in the back of the church instead of, like, realizing the front of it made a lot more sense. I, you know, I was just going through old conspiracy. But, yeah, that resonates everywhere.
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Top Lobster
He's. He's. He's in all parts of the church, right? We. We come. We come in the way that we. It's funny that you mentioned what your experience is, because. And it's. It feels full circle, especially given kind of the, the history and how, like, I was introduced to utop lobsters. You know, that's the, that's the, that's the story of, of my patron saint, Cyprian of Antioch.
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Cyprian
I was going to ask you that. I want to know how you got.
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Top Lobster
That, because I remember Dave Smith was like, he named himself after a saint. And I was like, well, you got a biblical name, too. David. Who are you. Who are you named after? A Jewish guy named David. You know what I'm saying? Like, what do you. What are you talking about? No, Saint Cyprian of Antioch. So I'll just tell you the story of Saint Cyprian of Antioch because it's a very cool name. So my spiritual father gave me that name. So when you're baptized, you know, you have a baptismal name. Some people already have a Christian name, and so they just keep it. But I would. I didn't know what mine would be, and he just said, you're Saint Cyprian of Antioch. So Saint Cyprian was a. He was a sorcerer. And actually, what's one of the interesting things about Cyprian is that in occult circles, his. His works. Because, like, the. The books that he wrote and everything are. Are used for black magic still. So he's an interesting character in that regard. And the main church where his right arm is. I believe it's in Budapest. It's either Budapest or Bucharest. I want to say it's. I want to say it's in Budapest. But still, to this day, practitioners of black magic will go and, like. It's got all kinds of, like, wood carved out of the church and stuff, because they'll just go and, like, carve a piece of the wall out and use it in a spell or something like that. So he's an interesting. He's an interesting character because he's, like, playing both sides still, in a way, but it makes him very powerful. He ended as a martyr, right?
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Cyprian
So, like, Solomon almost, right?
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Top Lobster
Yeah, kind of. Kind of. I mean, so his story is he was trained up as a. As a pagan sorcerer, taken all over. He came from a very wealthy family and, like, even was taught to conjure demons. He said that he even basically met Lucifer. Like, he was able to conjure him. And he. He met him and. And communed with him. There's a. The confession. The confession of Saint Cyprian is like. You can go and read it. Like, there's a conf. He wrote a confession of this. But his story is that he was in Antioch and there was a very pious. And this kind of goes to the whole idea of texts and all of that. There was this very pious young virgin named Justina. And she's just a pious virgin. She prays, she does the whole thing. She's not, like, educated or anything like that. And there's. She. But she's very beautiful. And there's this really wealthy kind of young guy who's been trying to woo her, but he's sort of a dick, and she doesn't like him, and she's staying chased. And he's really, like. He wants her bad, right? Spoiled rich kid. And so when it all fails, he goes to Cyprian and he's like a. I've heard that you can make women fall in love with men and stuff. Here's money. And Cyprian's like, no problem. Got it, right? So he starts doing all the spells on her, and she's just killing it with the sign of the cross. Like, every time something comes, he's tempting her. He's doing bad. Good, whatever it is. Sign of the cross, Boom, done. Goes into prayer. Boom, done, right? Even things to bring up lust in her. Sign of the cross. He's just getting defeated by this simple poor virgin who has no view of theology, no nothing. She's just got. What has she got? She got the sign of the cross and just praying. She's probably not even doing formal prayers, right? She's just reaching out to God with her heart and she's killing the sorcerer. He puts a pestilence on the city, right? She, through prayer, like, gets it away. So finally he summons. It says he summons a prince of hell. So he's summoning, like, one of the big demons to go, and he flies over there himself and pretends to be somebody. He does all these things. So finally he sends a prince of hell to go over that. That still nothing to her. Boom. Got it. Sign of the cross. So the demon comes back and Cyprian is just. He's beside himself. His. His reputation as a sorcerer has been ruined. And he starts railing on the demon, right? You're worthless. You're nothing. You have no power. This little girl over here is just kicking your butt, everything. So the demon attacks him. Him, right? The demon attacks him and is strangling him and is going to kill him. And just like you said, he didn't know what else to do except call upon Christ, and he had never done it before. And he does the sign of the cross that he's seen Eustina do. And the demon gone. And so the next day. The next day he goes to the Bishop of Antioch and he's like, teach me, Catechize me. And the bishop says, well, you're gonna have to go burn all your books. He's like, I'll do it. He goes. He burns all his books, right? But. And here we got into the Thomas, you got to go further, right? So then he's in his first liturgy. And at that time is this. Why is this.
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Cyprian
Why the Orthodox Church within their baptism, it's also like an exorcism. Like, this guy had. Probably had to get some stuff out of him.
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Top Lobster
Well, the exorcist, the exorcism is for everybody, right? Because we're a house of spirits. We're a house of spirits. And so we have. We have always demonic, like, influence about us. And so it's just to make sure that we are clean, then baptized and the Holy Spirit is filled. And then they seal that. Then. Then you're sealed, right? You're anointed and you're sealed. The gates are sealed to seal. To seal the Holy Spirit in and not leave the. So now the Holy Spirit is operating within you, whereas before he was without. This is a. This is not like a belief thing, because I experienced it and it was. It's. There's a real difference, everybody. It's like, there's a real difference. So the thing with Cyprian is. Deals with baptism, right? He goes in. It's funny that you mentioned baptism, because that's exactly what happens next is that if you are not a baptized Christian, if you are a catechumen at this time, you can only stay for half of the liturgy. So the part where the Eucharist and communion is, you. You have to leave. Even still in the liturgy, it says catechumens depart. The church generally doesn't have them depart anymore, but it still says it in the liturgy. So it. Because it's a mystery, it's a secret. Like, so the catechumens, if you were just learning, you had to leave at this point. Point. This is the early church. And he refuses to leave. He says, I'm not going. And the bishop's like, what do you. He's like, I'm not going. They're like, well, you have to be baptized. This is like the next day or it's that week. He's like, well, then baptize me now. Because, like, I don't know. Do you need me to leave? Can this be only. They're like, we can't continue if there's. If. If there's any unbaptized people here. He said, well, then baptize me now, right now, because I'm not leaving. And so the bishop's like, oh. So baptizes him, and then he becomes, like, minor clergy within like, a month, a reader and a deacon. He becomes a priest in like two or three months, right? And then he becomes a bishop, I think, in a year. So. But the reason why is that he didn't have to learn. He. He was already like a superstar on the opposing team. He didn't have to learn the spiritual principles. He just had to learn the new playbook. It's like if you. If you got a quarterback from another team, he doesn't have to relearn how to throw a ball, how to be a quarterback, how to read a defense, right? He just has to learn your playbook. And so he was. He. And he became a bishop. Justina became a nun. He advanced her to the head of the monastery, and then they were both captured and taken, and they were both martyred together. And it's a really kind of a beautiful story, you know, that she. She. It's also a story about the way that the Orthodox view conversion. So like the Orthodox aren't out on street corners. And if you're doing that, you're not really acting in a very Orthodox way. Right. Saint Seraphim of Saurav says, acquire the spirit of peace and a thousand around you will be saved. And all the, all of the Orthodox tradition is that, is that it's like, no, no, no, she converted him. And then how many people did he convert as bishop and how much influence did he have? She converted him just with this?
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
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Top Lobster
Just with this. Nothing else. Like genuinely just with this. Which is the reason why, again, to go full circle, why for me, when I found myself trying to rationalize and justify and having debates about Orthodoxy on Twitter, I was like, oh, time to leave Twitter.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah, well, the, the heart of so many of those arguments, you, I don't know if, if you got the sense, but, but I get the sense being on Twitter and it doesn't really matter the argument. It could be a spiritual one, a political one, or, or otherwise. Most of the time, the vast majority of the time the individual is not coming from a place of wanting to reconcile and understand. It's just a, a competition who can win. And, and even debate itself sometimes is the way that I look at it. I'm like, you would need to represent your stance perfectly. And, and so let's say a debate ends and, and one team wins and the other team loses. Or, or one idea wins and the other one loses. That doesn't even really necessarily mean anything because it's up to the individual's ability to articulate and represent those points. So which is why it just usually.
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Top Lobster
Let me ask you, has your, has your mind ever been changed by a debate?
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Cyprian
No.
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David Lee Corbo
No. Once you solidify to Joe Rogan, I.
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Top Lobster
Mean, so what's the point of the debate?
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David Lee Corbo
Exactly. Dude. I listened for like four hours to a plant based guy versus a carnivore diet guy. And at the end of it, if I was being honest, I was like, they, they, they both made incredible points and there seems to be no like, you know, budging. I'm just going to go the carnivore route because that's kind of what I was going to do in the first place.
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Top Lobster
Boom. That. Which is, which is what you said, like it just solidifies it. So for me, you're already looking at what is, what is the orientation. I think it's the same thing about conversion. So when I met Father Turbo, it's interesting because I had been given in Prayer to do this Bitcoin Mystery School class. And it seemed very strange to me, right? I was like, is this even coming from Christ? Like, what is this? But the fact that it was like I was fasting, it was right after prayer, it came like, like a lightning bolt. It was. I was like, okay, I'm just going to do it and see what happens. And it just wound up that this priest who became my spiritual father in the weirdest way was like in the first class of Bitcoin Mystery School, right? And I'm like, what, what is happening? What is this? Right? This doesn't like, it doesn't. There's. It's not coherent. It doesn't make any sense, right? And when I went to go look him up, there was very little that I. Now there's a ton of him. Father Turbo Quals people could go. And he's. He's incredible, right?
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Cyprian
I've heard him through Buck Johnson, I think.
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Top Lobster
Sure. He's Buck Spirit. He's Buck's spiritual father as well. And he. When I went, one of the things that. One of the few videos I found was him talking to. So he's a black guy from Southern California. Former, former skinhead, actually. Like not the non racist skins like in an oil band. And like that's where him and Buck connect. He's fully added up. He was a tattoo artist for years and this. He was speaking down in South Carolina to mainly white Orthodox parish. Who was their concern of bringing him down was they wanted to get more black like members in their church. And he kind of like, he kind of put that. There was a funny thing where they were like, well, so finally the question comes, right? What can we do to bring more of the people from our neighborhood into that. The neighborhood that we're in or from, you know, these other neighborhoods. What can we do to bring them into the church? Like, what should we do? And he just looks straight at him and he goes, you can't do anything. And he just paused. And then he says, you can't do anything. Like if they're going to come, it's not going to be because of you. It's going to be because of Christ. Like, this isn't your church, this is Christ's church. And what power do you have? What power do you have? And so I think that this goes to even the idea of where is your orientation when you're debating just like, no, I would much rather pray that for me. I would rather. Since I can't do it, since I can't convert you I would much rather pray to Christ, who I know can do crazy things because he's done them in my life. If I love you and I care about you, and I really do want to see you, like, find Christ because it's better for you. I'm better off like, on my knees weeping in prayer for you, that he would soften your heart and that he would do something in your life, because as our own experience is, that's the only way you're coming to Christ, is that he's going to do it. He's going to set up the scenario and do it in your life, and then it's undeniable.
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David Lee Corbo
Well, that's what, that's what gets me, is that I didn't come by. I didn't come to this place in my faith through information. I mean, the information is there and it all kind of clicks together once you open that up. I came through, through experience, through something. Like I said, those intangible. And it's, it's hard to quantify. So if, if that's my experience and I can only really kind of gauge people off of my own experience, I would look to another person and say, yeah, that person's not going to be won over by a, by a, a sort of religious debate either. It's, it's, you know, I know you said that you don't want that experience, but it's like, I joke around sometimes and I say, I, I almost pray that a big greasy demon shows itself to you so that you, you can. What's the word I'm looking for? You can sort of lock in and, and navigate and realize like, oh, this isn't. Because there's not a sense of urgency before that happened, not for me. So I'm this type of person that needs to see it to some degree. And I'm also the type of person that, you know, I, I don't have a sense of urgency about when that happened. I did. And so I know it's. It's messed up to wish that on somebody, but if you are like me, then I do pray that that happens to you. Because if you're anything like me, that's what I needed. So in that way, it's like, yeah, I know it's. It's a horrifying thing to, to wish on somebody, but I don't think I was in danger. And I feel blessed in very many ways because it was like, look, see, here it is. I'll pull back the veil for you a little bit. These things are real. These things are real. And if that's real, put two and two together, you know that there must be another side to the coin if you're seeing this side.
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Top Lobster
Right.
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David Lee Corbo
And that was the, the, the, the key moment for me. So, you know, but it definitely wasn't by way of information. It definitely wasn't by way of debate. Nobody sat me down with a, in a well constructed argument and won me over.
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Top Lobster
Well, it. First off, people can never be won over by a well constructed argument. And anybody who says they can. It's not, is like they're, it's not that. But let me, let me, let me like nuance again. Let's go back to the Johannian gospel and let's go to this idea of what he says at the end of Blessed are those who believe without seeing. Right. Or without. What he's talking about is without you needing to put your hands in. Because if you look at the narrative, it's, it's so worth going and reading. If you look at the narrative, there's a series of people and they each. There's. It. It just gets more and more obvious and undeniable to. Down at the end where you're putting your hands in. But you could have believed at any of those times.
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David Lee Corbo
Yes. Yeah.
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Top Lobster
What you notice is that you see a series of denials. So like Mary Magdalene sees Jesus in the flesh in the tomb and she runs to the apostles and tells them that she saw Jesus in the flesh in the tomb. They have the opportunity at that moment to believe and they choose not to. Then the apostles see it's not just some crazy woman who's. Maybe she's real emotional. It's like not just one witness who's coming and telling us. It's like all of us saw him. And Thomas is still like, nah. And what this is telling us is that like you had a. If you have a big greasy demon show up in front of you, what that means is that there were a series of things that you denied.
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Cyprian
Yeah.
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Top Lobster
Up until that point. So what we pray for is we pray that their hearts will be soft and softened and they can believe at an earlier point that they can see God working in their life in the more subtle ways. But it's like it's the same thing with an addict because this is about salvation. Right. So what do they say about. Some people are able to break out of their addiction before they hit rock bottom, but most people have to hit rock bottom. But blessed are they who don't have to hit rock bottom and can get out of their addiction. Without it, when they. Who don't even have to lose their job over it. Who don't have to lose their family over it. Right Again, why we read Job, because that's. He's. He's losing steady things, but he still has faith.
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David Lee Corbo
That's so.
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Top Lobster
And so what we pray for is that you. That your eyes are open discernment, and that you have the humility to accept. Maybe I have a problem over there before you need a big greasy demon, which is rock bottom.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah. So that's a perfectly valid point, one that I know to be true in my own experience, because like I said, before I came to Christ, I was always searching for the truth. Do you know how often you come across things that make the biblical narrative fit uncannily? And, and the way that I've described it is almost to, I, I think, alleviate some of the reality of the situation. The way I've described it is I used to have a big table, and I would have all these pieces on the table and I'd be putting them together to make a big, you know, puzzle. And the Bible keeps showing up as relevant to this puzzle. And I wouldn't dismiss it as if that's something to be proud of, but I wouldn't be convicted in the way I wouldn't allow myself to say. Yeah, it keeps showing up because it's. It is the. The centerpiece of this conversation. And so, you know, sometimes I kind of pat myself on the back. Well, this is like, in a way, I never threw it away. I never said that it wasn't true, but. But I never believed. I never convicted myself. I never moved definitively towards it, no matter how many things I saw that. Dude, I'm telling you, I spent 18 years of seeing things that I was like, oh, yep, that, that's. That's very interesting and that's uncanny, that, that correlation to the Bible and that. And that seems to really, you know, embolden the idea that Jesus Christ is real, but for another time maybe.
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Cyprian
And then society.
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David Lee Corbo
Stupid shit.
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Cyprian
Society's done a tremendous job, I guess the culture has done a tremendous job of making the Bible look gay and, like, boring. It's the least boring book I've. I used to think the Old Testament was boring. It's like, it's. Yo, that is. It's a crazy book, dude. Yeah, it's wild when you read this. It's. It's probably the best book ever written. But it kind of also goes back to this conversation that we started with, with Dave Smith, right. Where it's like these things can be so easily dismissed and hand waved away because we have all these tangible things in front of us. It's like you're looking at the Bible, you know, like, I reject that premise. It's like, no, no, no. That is the premise.
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David Lee Corbo
That's the whole premise.
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Cyprian
This is the entire premise that we have to. If we're not starting at this. And, you know, like you said earlier, the Bible is. It's a book of things.
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Top Lobster
It's a record.
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Cyprian
It's a record.
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Top Lobster
It's a record. But. But it's. It's an important record because, I mean, it's the, the individuals who are documenting this are holy individuals. These are individuals who are. Who reality is being revealed. And it's the. There's been a lot of writings and, and this is why, like, you have tradition. Not everything sticks. We talked about tradition of why things wind up, you know, but we're, we're taught as orthodox that, like, more important than. First off, first off, just reading the Bible. Like, one, yes, it is the greatest book. But two, you have no idea what's in the Bible. None. Because the Bible is about people having experiences, like, really profound experiences with Christ. The Bible is about people who know Christ and who know even the prefigured Christ, which the God of the Old Testament is still Christ, right? And so it's like you get to see, oh, when he's a man, then this is explained. Like, he condescended to explain to men this thing that they couldn't understand over here that they just wrote down. And it's like, this is crazy. God's doing this thing. I don't know why. That's what the whole Old Testament is about. We have no clue why he's doing it. And then he comes and he's like, no, this is why. Let me explain. Like, let me explain. Here you. Here you go. Let me explain it in words you can understand. Because when I'm not in the body, I can't really give you, like, words that you can understand. I can only use the, the. The spiritual vehicle. And you're clearly not equipped for that because every time I give it to the prophets, they go insane, Right? So let me give it to you in a way that, like, that you can have. Right? So let me, Let me deliver it in a. Because you guys couldn't get it before. But what's so the, the thing, though, is that there is a. There is an unbroken line, like apostolic succession. It was very. It was crazy to me. There's a I actually have it here. We. A Russian priest just randomly showed up here 30 days after I was baptized, which was uncanny and, like, weird. What is that? And just, like, finds my family as the first group that he, like, encounters on the. Very strange. But he dropped off some, you know, some different. There's some pamphlets from this Father Daniel Sosoya. And in the back of one of them, it's called A Protestants Walk Through. Through an Orthodox Church. I had never seen it, but in the back is the Apostolic succession list to the current Patriarch of Russia, who is Kirill. Patriarch Kirill. And it's literally every bishop who ordained every other bishop backed by name and year back to Christ. It's a list so you could start with Christ, and you go. And he. And here, here to the apostle, to here, to here, to here to here to here to every single name.
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Cyprian
What's the name of this?
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Top Lobster
Well, that's just Apostolic Succession. So that is to say that both. But this is in the Catholic Church as well. And the Lutherans could probably claim it as well, and the Anglicans could probably claim this as well. Right? Because bishops have to ordain bishops, and every priest is ordained by a bishop, and every priest baptizes everyone was baptized by a priest. So every Orthodox Christian can trace their lineage back to Christ by name.
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Cyprian
This is.
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Top Lobster
Right.
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Cyprian
So this is what I. I rail against. I mean, the modern church is like. It's a McDonald's. It seems like it's just been McDonald's. It's been opened up, it's a chain, it's watered down. And, you know, it's. It's great that they're trying. Like, I. I don't really know how to feel about it. Tell you the truth, man. I mean, there's something out there. There's a message of Jesus.
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Top Lobster
But is it good if it's water? Because they know not what they do. Father, Forgive them for they know not what they do.
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Cyprian
Do you think it's more of a. Sorry. Do you think it's more of a. A detriment to Christianity? Do you think that it's like a. It's good that they're out there? Because, I mean, at least it's leading to something.
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Top Lobster
No, no. Absolute detriment.
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Cyprian
Okay, interesting.
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Top Lobster
Absolute detriment. Well, speaking from my own life, right, like, becoming Orthodox, it's. My life has improved in ways that are, like, I'm getting goosebumps over. Over how much, like, the difference in who I am. And when I encountered Orthodoxy, I embraced it, but when I encountered this other Thing. I rejected it. And that was actually good because it wasn't Christianity. There was nothing there. So. So think about. If you encounter Christian, it's it, dude. Think about it like this. If there's like one fantastic pizza place in your city, right? And then there's like a series of them that are like cooking up rotten frozen pizzas. And then somebody's like, hey, dude, pizza, Chicago style, deep dish. Like, let's go. And you're like, dude, I've tried pizza. No good. My family used to have pizza every single night. It would make me throw up. There's no way. I don't even know how you could even like pizza. And you're like, wait a minute, wait, no, we're talking about pizza, bro. This is like the greatest thing ever. And they're like, dude, I've had pizza. I tried that. I'm telling you, it's not good. I don't like it. It makes me sick. That's when you encounter people with Christianity in the West. That's them.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah, yeah.
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Top Lobster
I run people. They've had thawed and refrozen pizza, and it's not Christianity. And so this goes to this. This is. So now we're at Sola Scriptura. Now we're why apostolic succession matters. Because if you could trace by name all the way back to Christ, that means somebody who knew Christ, who experienced it, an apostle whose name is in the Bible, then ordained somebody and taught them the faith, the deposit of the faith, and then that person ordained somebody else and taught them the faith. The same faith unchanging. That's the key with Orthodoxy, that the whole thing is you keep it the same. Why am I reading a book when I have access to this? To the same. To the knowledge of the apostles in a person. And not just knowledge to words, but the practices, how to pray, how to have a relationship with Christ. That's somebody who had a relationship with Christ, who saw the risen Christ, taught down, down, down, down. The reason you need a book is because you don't have the tradition. And that's why Saint Nikolai Velamirovich says, ours is not a book religion. It's not even a learned religion. It's a dramatic mystery. Because if you live in a society like Serbia, that's been steeped, where you can't separate out the culture from the church, you're just. You're living in it. It's almost like a bloodline, little things.
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Cyprian
Yeah, it's.
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Top Lobster
It is a bloodline. It's a spiritual. It's. It's literally A bloodline. The blood of Christ.
- [92:15]
Cyprian
Yeah, yeah. And that's, I mean, that's what the Bible is basically about up to the New Testament. It's kind of describing this bloodline from Adam to David to Jesus Christ is very important.
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Top Lobster
It's not. So. So this is another thing that Orthodox Orthodoxy teaches you is that it's like the first thing that you have to understand. And this, this is another Dave Smith thing is. So the, the Orthodox Church is Israel. Like that's. It's undeniable. It's all throughout the hypnography. It's in the whole theology. It's the basis of the theology.
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Cyprian
Do you think the Orthodox. So then is. Is the, the prophecy that the, the chosen people returning to the actual physical land, Israel? Do you think that that is where they're saying it is? Do you think that the prophecy is fulfilled when the Orthodox Church is there?
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Top Lobster
They never. The Orthodox Church has been in Jerusalem longer than Rabbinical Judaism has been in Jerusalem. Rabbinical. Rabbinical Judaism, the Judaism of today, Rabbinical Judaism is after Orthodox.
- [93:17]
Cyprian
Oh, yeah, yeah. We've went like really deep into that. It's like 505 after.
- [93:25]
Top Lobster
So what happens is you have. So it's the deposit of the faith and the ark. So you've got the Holy Spirit in the ark, right? So first you have Noah's Ark. So that carries. So the Holy Spirit is in that family, right? Because he was perfect in his generations, right? It says it right there. So the Holy Spirit is in that is it that was blown. The Holy Spirit that was blown into Adam. It's traveling through the bloodline. So there's your ark, right? Then the Holy Spirit is actually like put into an ark and it's carried around. And then they take that ark and then they build a temple and they put it into the holy of holies. So you've got the temple and you've got the Holy Spirit inside the tabernacle, right? But then the Holy Spirit comes into. Into an ark of flesh. Mary is the ark and the Holy Spirit. And, and then you have Christ and this is the reason why he says that the temple is coming down. That's the real prophecy that nobody talks about, right? Christ says not one stone will be on top of each other. And when he's. And, and when he dies, the veil of the temple is rent. The earthquakes and the veil of the temple that's in the holy of holies is split.
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Cyprian
Question, what are the Jews touching then what's. If not one stone will be left on top of the Other. What's that wall?
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Top Lobster
Well, it's just one wall. It's just. It's not the Holy of Holies there, was it. So if you look at the way that the temple was built, there's courtyard upon courtyard, apart upon courtyard. The actual temple is not that. That wall is not the actual temple. That's an outer courtyard wall.
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Cyprian
Ah, interesting. Okay.
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Top Lobster
Yeah, there's. There's a series of. There's a series of what. What would you call them? Yeah, courtyards that are six. That are more and more holy as you go, that are surrounding the temple and the temp. It's the important part is the temple and the Holy of Holies where the priest goes into once a year, right? That's. Which is where God is living. But the. What's happening. What. What is happening with the church is that the. The Holy Spirit is. Is. Was no longer in the temple. Now it's like the Holy Spirit, that's what Christ came to give is to give. Like, okay, now it's in the people. Mary became the ark, an ark of flesh. Like, now it can come into the people. Now it can come into us. And so the understanding is that, like, we. We are Israel, the church is Israel. And so you have to read the New Testament in that way with the Old Testament is that it's like the. The. The vessel of the Holy Spirit continues to move. And the other thing about. And, and this is, again, you don't get this if you just have Sola Scriptura, right? The Proto Evangelion of James. So the brother of Jesus, he wrote a gospel and he wrote about Mary. It was nice because they actually turned it into a movie about her recently. I think it's a Netflix movie.
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Cyprian
I didn't see it, but is it any good?
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Top Lobster
It's. It is because it's the Proto Evangelion of James. Okay, Right. So Mary was dedicated to the temple when she was a little girl. And so she was in the. The angel came to her in the temple. She was a nun. She was a nun from her being a little girl and like, so that she was not. The church understands that she was totally familiar talking to angels, so it wasn't like a shock to her, but she was she. So she. So you imagine she moved into the temple. Of course she did. She was raised in the temple as a nun. And she becomes the vessel. She becomes the. The ark, the temple. And through that, through that flesh, then now the church is. Is able to be it. And it's because you see that it's getting More and more advanced. And now it's decentralized and non local.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
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Top Lobster
Which is how any system, if we look at how, how do systems advance, how do they become more robust, how do they scale? Because you constantly see it scaling, scaling. It scales from one family, right, to one tribe to a nation. How do you scale to all the nations? It can't be a physical temple that way. It's got to be inside all the people. But the rules about what it is to be Israel do not change. The church is Israel. So, so, so then when we have these. So that's for us as orthodox Christians having this conversation, seeing Christians like these, what do they call them? Or is it dispensationalists? These like apocalyptic Christians, like referencing that. This, that the rabbinical Jews are somehow a key to this. It's like, dude, that's not even Christianity they're after. They're. That, that rabbinical Judaism is trying to explain. How do you have Judaism without a temple? Like the, the, so the, the, the foundational issue that they're trying to deal with is the same thing that Christianity has already answered. They're trying to say, how do you have a religion where you need, where you need the sacrifice? How do you have that without having a temple? But Christianity already answered it like, temple, Temple tech is done.
- [99:17]
Cyprian
This is a. You're not on Twitter, but this is the, the crux of this whole argument. I don't want to. I want to respect your time as well, so I think we should wrap in a minute.
- [99:24]
Top Lobster
But. Yeah, sure.
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Cyprian
But the cr. Yeah, the crux of this argument here is like, you know, the JQ stuff, right? This is like going around and, and I just, I'm going to the very bottom of it and I'm saying, no, it seems like, you know, this, modern Judaism is just a response to Christianity. So when you pair it, when you pair Judeo Christian, it's just like it, it aggravates me to no end because it's like, no, these are, these are opposing religions. This is. As a matter of fact, I understand exactly why. I mean, you know, maybe it's not correct to say that they all hate us, but I understand, I see the animosity and this is why. It's because they, whatever they're doing there is not valid. But I, and, and it is the modern day's church. It's a modern day church that has allowed this narrative to pervade and it's, it's like on a global scale now to the, to this point where it's like nobody. No one's really. Is the. Is the Orthodox Church talking about this, like, to their congregation, telling. Telling them about. Just about Judaism, about what that is or what's going on with modern. The modern day Jewel?
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Top Lobster
Well, we don't. We don't need to talk about it. Like, it's just like, I mean, well, I mean, academically, you talk about all the heresies, but the Orthodox Church was like, academically. I mean, we had ecumenical councils. You know, we talk about Arianism as a. You know, we've talked. But it's like, do you really need to spend a lot of time talking about the people who are wrong?
- [100:58]
Cyprian
Well, I'm gonna clip that. What a banger. What a banging. What a banger quote. Do I need to talk about the people that are wrong?
- [101:07]
Top Lobster
Why? Like, if I. If I. Because. So this is the thing about reality, right? So imagine that. Imagine that your car is like something weird is happening with your car, right? So something strange is happening and you don't know what it is, but you want to fix your car. Okay? There's literally an infinite number of behaviors and actions that you can take that will either not fix your car or will make your car worse. You can just slam on the brakes, you can jump out of the car, you can twerk, you can hit it with the hammer, you can hit it with a flamethrower. You can jump up and down, you can call your mom. It's like there's an unlimited number of things that you could do that are not the right thing to do. The set of things that you can do that will actually. And many of them will make it worse. The set of things that you can actually do that will fix the problem and make it better is generally super small. Or it might even be a set of one. And that if you don't get those act that. That sequence of actions exactly right, it's worse. That's why you have a shop manual. There's not. You can't just be like, yep, step six. Just not going to do that one. That bolt. Oh, I don't need this one. Throw it away. No, no, no. You have to follow every single one of those steps if you want your car to be fixed. That's how it works. And this is reality. So when you take it to. When you take your car to a mechanic, does the mechanic go through the series of steps or does he spend time debating about why hitting it with the hammer and shooting it with a blowtorch is a bad idea?
- [102:51]
Cyprian
Yeah, it's a. You're making us realize now that there's probably like 50 or so episodes of this show that. Because it's an interesting question, right? I mean, it's pervasive in all of our society. And it's just like, it's constantly, constantly coming up and it. But I think you're right, man. It's like we're talking about this thing that in reality, this is probably the most anti Semitic thing ever said on this show. But it's like, it really has no consequence. It's like, it's like an incorrect action.
- [103:19]
David Lee Corbo
Hold on, I gotta interrupt. I gotta say something that's totally out of pocket, man. I just want you. You gotta say in the best way. You are. If. If everything went correct with Andrew Tate, you are. You bear a resemblance to him, but your chin is better. You have a tone in your voice that's very similar to Andrew Tate.
- [103:42]
Cyprian
You know what I think? I think he wanted to be Andrew Tate. And God was like, you don't need the Bugatti, you know, that's it, dude.
- [103:47]
David Lee Corbo
It was like. It was like if you could stand you and Andrew Tate next to each other, it's a which way Western man Meme, you know what I mean?
- [103:55]
Cyprian
As a matter of fact, it genuinely is after this episode. That is a. That is a meme. So prepare yourself.
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David Lee Corbo
100. 100. This is. This is exactly like everything that I think, because, you know, a lot of the problem with Andrew Tate is I don't think that young impressionable men should be moving in that direction whatsoever.
- [104:10]
Cyprian
And I find him hilarious.
- [104:12]
David Lee Corbo
I find him hilarious and he is very funny. But no, this is, this is much better for the. The young developing.
- [104:21]
Top Lobster
Well, look, I think that this goes to. This is why I say that the Bible comes like after because like with the thing that we just said and you guys are like, oh, yeah, that's obvious. It's super self evident. Then when Christ says, I, I am the way, the truth and the life, and no one comes to the Father, but by me, it's not. He's saying the nature of reality. It may as well that he's saying, look, dude, this is the way to fix your carburetor. Your carburetor doesn't get fixed unless you go and follow the shop manual. It's why when he says that straight is the gate and narrow is the path, and many are that leads to salvation and many that miss it, because wide is the way to perdition, straight is the gate. It's these 10 steps to fix your carburetor. Dude, it's not anything else.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah. Wide is the way to destroy your automobile.
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Cyprian
Another question.
- [105:18]
Top Lobster
Very wide.
- [105:19]
Cyprian
Another question, though. You've got guys like, there's. I don't know, it's like Ben Shapiro types, Jordan Peterson out there, anybody who's pushing this Judeo Christian narrative, which is blending these. This idea of Jesus Christ and Judaism, and it's perverting and it's making it really weird. I know we mentioned that, like, this kind of, like, evangelism is almost like a fruitless endeavor. It's like, you're not going to reach these people. But it's like, do we. Then I had this argument with somebody. It's like, do so. So I just sit by as this guy's lying. I can. Should I. Should I be telling my, like, the people that are listening to me? I feel like that's what we're doing this show for. Like, people are listening. I'm like, that's, man. Like, I. And. And somebody told me, like, no, we have to let prophecy hold out. You can. Don't even, like, criticize. I was like, but I. I just don't see how we can sit here. Is that what we're called to do? Just sit here and be like. Like, you know, continue. I feel like there has to be some kind of pushback. Yeah, both end.
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Top Lobster
Yeah, well, both. And orthodoxy is not either or. It's both. And so it's. It's. So there's a great. And again, truth is truth. So there's no monopoly on truth. It's not like you can only find truth in orthodoxy. Right. It's just that when you. If you were looking for the fastest possible path, like, take the 2,000 years of people who've been doing nothing but orienting towards truth. And what did they. What did they come up with? Right? But like, so Martin Luther King, in a letter from. From a Birmingham jail, right, he says, like, the path. When he's talking about the order of operations, he's like, so first you want to get on the ground and investigate, like, figure out what the problem is. And then he said a period of self purification. And then action.
- [107:06]
Cyprian
Clean your room, bucko.
- [107:09]
Top Lobster
Well, it's. And in that regard, he's right.
- [107:12]
Cyprian
Yeah.
- [107:13]
Top Lobster
Because the first thing is self purification. This. It's not that people who are speaking out are wrong. It's just that 99.9% of people are speaking out without the period of self purification. And it's like, look, you're not wrong for what I would say to many of these people and again, it was debates about Orthodoxy coming from Orthodox people that made me leave Twitter. Because what I found myself doing was I found myself entering into just my nature, like these theological debates. And honestly, I did not. I was not speaking from. At a certain level, they would draw me in. Draw me in. Or I would allow myself to be drawn in. Draw me in. And at a certain level, I noticed that I began speaking in my own experience. But then I reached a point where everything I said from there would be just quoting the Fathers, if that. Sometimes throwing in my own opinion, because I'm not that. That great at avoiding that temptation. Sometimes I would say things that were wrong because I hadn't really. I was in a rush to argue this right, as opposed to reaching that point and saying to myself, oh, you don't know the answer to that. Now's the time for you to leave, because now you've just been shown where you need to. God bless. God bless the person that wants to have the debate on this. Because now you just showed me the next thing that I need to study. The next. The. The. The. What's. What's lacking for my own understanding of the fullness of the faith. Because if, for me, is it about being right or is it about actually knowing where I'm wrong?
- [109:09]
Cyprian
It's. It's about.
- [109:10]
Top Lobster
It's in me. Correcting where I'm wrong is where salvation lies.
- [109:14]
Cyprian
It's about winning right there and then, Cyprian, that's what it's all about, man. Give me the gratification I need to. And when I win, I want you to delete your Twitter, too. It's like, there's the. What is it? What's the win? There's no win. You're 100% right, man.
- [109:29]
David Lee Corbo
That's it, though, right? There is no win. Not.
- [109:32]
Top Lobster
Not. Not.
- [109:32]
David Lee Corbo
You're not gonna win that arena. Not in that moment.
- [109:35]
Top Lobster
Well, you're not. You're not gonna win. Yeah, you're not gonna win. You're not gonna win in a worldly sense, because who's the prince of this world? Satan is the prince of this world. So if you're looking for a worldly win, who wants you to win on the worldly term, on the worldly side? Well, you're just working for Satan. I've been there. I've been rich and famous, right? I've done it, you know, before social media, when there was still, like, cable TV and you were still a celebrity on cable tv, you know what I mean? There were no Netflix. Netflix shows in 2010.
- [110:08]
Cyprian
When I first got.
- [110:09]
Top Lobster
When I was first on TV, I was real, like, really famous. Like, really. There weren't no influencers and Logan Paul's and no, I was really famous where people would be like, grown ass people, not little kids. Like grown ass people would stop me in the street everywhere in the world. People who didn't even speak my language because it had been dubbed in multiple languages.
- [110:33]
David Lee Corbo
Oh, that's funny. Don't even think about that.
- [110:36]
Top Lobster
I. I've been, I've been famous, man. And it's like, you know what? It's self destruction. I walked around the la those latter years feeling like I was poisoned. Like, really, when I look back now, I'm like, oh, you were walking around. Like I physically felt poisoned. Like there was poison, poison running through my veins, you know? And it's like, that's what if that's what you want, you want to be right all the time. You want to own the libs. You want to win the debate. Yeah. Get you your million followers.
- [111:13]
Cyprian
Take your poison. Yeah. It's heavy, right? Because we're walking this line of like, obviously we're doing this for entertainment. We're doing this for. I mean, I started as fun, now it's almost a job. And the point is to grow it. Right. Otherwise I don't know, is it I. Right. What are we doing?
- [111:35]
Top Lobster
What?
- [111:36]
Cyprian
I don't know what I'm doing.
- [111:38]
Top Lobster
I think that, I think the metric. The metric is always. The metric is always. Well, we're not, we shouldn't necessarily know. So the what, the what is really not important. And neither really is the how. The why is important. But the most important is the who. Like, if you're going to be a Christian, the most important is the who. Because as a Christian, like, we believe in spiritual warfare. And there's a king on one side and a king on the other, a prince on the other side. There's a king on one side and a prince on the other side. And they've been given to be able to war against each other. And there's a way of life and a way of death, and. And one is the ruler of life and one is the ruler of death. That's Job, right? That's read Job. It's short. Everybody should just read Job. And the choice that we have is always between life and death. And so whenever we ask, what am I doing? Don't ask that. Ask, who am I doing this for? Who am I serving by my actions? Am I serving the prince of death or am I serving the King of Life? And if you don't know, if you don't know, then you've just gotten the answer of what your next journey is, is to figure out.
- [112:53]
Cyprian
This is what we do. This is what we're figuring out. And I think the answers we get back are. There's almost every day somebody goes, hey, man, they call us retards. Our fans are called dangerous retards. It's a crude show. We say a lot of wild stuff.
- [113:08]
David Lee Corbo
They're not wrong when they call us it either, but they go.
- [113:11]
Cyprian
I mean, one of the emails we read today, they were like, they curse us. They basically said a lot of, like, racial slurs at us. And they said, you strengthened my relationship with God. Or at least the show did, like, ask me. It helped me to ask questions and not, like, me. Like, I'm not. We're not doing anything. We're just talking. So I'm like, all right, that's. I guess that's the right direction. Onward.
- [113:28]
David Lee Corbo
Yeah. Yeah.
- [113:29]
Top Lobster
If you're getting that. If you're getting that back, like, so long as that's coming back to you.
- [113:35]
Cyprian
But there's a certain. There's an aspect of conviction that comes with it because of what I do. Obviously, you've interacted with me way before, but I'm. I am who I am, so I'm gonna. I can't be inauthentic. Not. Not like a sense of pride, but, like, just who I am. This is how I communicate with people. And it seems for. Yeah, that.
- [113:56]
Top Lobster
You know, I fear that don't be. Don't be. Don't be married to. Don't be married to the old man. Because when that is the one thing that Christ is going to demand that you give up.
- [114:08]
Cyprian
I. I, Vin Abukai, whatever. I have this thing where I think about the future, and I often kind of see it in. In a way never clear, but I see which way things are going. And I. And I had it. Like I said before I even left New York, I was like, in five years, I'll be doing this. And exactly what I'm. It makes no sense, no rhyme or reason. I was driving a truck. And I do see that in my future, but it's one of those things where I'm like, I don't want that, but it doesn't matter. Like, one of the stories I tell when I was in the church, I had gotten kicked out of the church for yelling at the pastor, but it was a whole thing. I was. I was right. But whatever. This is a whole thing. You probably were one Foot out, one foot in. And one of the ladies, an elder, comes up and she prays for me and she's very nice lady. And she told me, she's like, you're going to be preaching to like thousands of people, hundreds of thousands of people. And I wanted to tell her, like, you know, shove it up your ass.
- [115:02]
David Lee Corbo
Ass.
- [115:03]
Cyprian
Because I'm like, I'm out of this place. I don't want nothing to do with you guys. And here I am sitting here, and I guess what I'm doing is a form of preaching. It's. It's, it's horrible. It's horrible what's happened here because it. No matter how much I said, no, it doesn't matter really. And it. But it's not predetermined, but it's just like, we're going this way. This is the way we're going. So, yeah, that, that death of whatever this guy is. Top lobster is eminent. I'm sorry, people, you're watching it, but we'll see when it happens.
- [115:28]
David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
- [115:29]
Top Lobster
Glory to God. Glory to God.
- [115:31]
Cyprian
Glory to God.
- [115:32]
David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
- [115:32]
Cyprian
It's a sad day, but yes, we'll see when it happens.
- [115:36]
David Lee Corbo
Yeah. Well, look, we're hitting the two hour mark. This is a fascinating conversation. I don't know what I was getting in for. Top just.
- [115:45]
Cyprian
He's like, let's talk about tariffs. I'm like, no, we're not talking about tariffs.
- [115:48]
David Lee Corbo
Yeah. I said, what are we talking about today? He's like, trust me, you're really gonna like this. So I didn't know what I was in for. It was a wonderful conversation, man. Man. It genuinely was. And I just want to thank you for your time and coming and hanging out with us and the rest of these. You know, this has been really. I don't know, it wasn't like I was hit with information, really. Ideas and concepts that I ended up doing a lot of. And I think I'll. I'll continue to do a lot of like, self reflection.
- [116:16]
Cyprian
Every time we speak with somebody that's in the Orthodox church that knows it kind of like like, damn, I have to look into this more.
- [116:22]
Top Lobster
Yeah.
- [116:22]
Cyprian
I have to like, really get in like a Jay Dyer.
- [116:26]
David Lee Corbo
There's this little like, bittersweetness with like, it's like stupid.
- [116:30]
Cyprian
It's right here.
- [116:30]
David Lee Corbo
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [116:31]
Top Lobster
It's.
- [116:31]
David Lee Corbo
It's right there in front of you. And also it means you have to shuck off this guy that you've been rolling around as for some time. Like, that's gonna happen naturally, right? That.
- [116:39]
Cyprian
Yeah.
- [116:40]
David Lee Corbo
Process Like, I. I look in the future and I'm like, one day I'll. I. I won't have a bite, and I'll be.
- [116:45]
Top Lobster
You know what that is? You know what that is? You're. You're. You're seeing the cross in the distance.
- [116:53]
Cyprian
Do you think. Do you think like that?
- [116:55]
Top Lobster
And you know that. You know that you're supposed to go up on it?
- [116:58]
Cyprian
Yeah, Yeah. I was gonna say either pick it up or go on it. And if that's what it feels like, it's like that, this martyr thing at the end.
- [117:04]
Top Lobster
Right?
- [117:04]
Cyprian
And I'm not saying, like, I'm like a martyr, but that's kind of does. I think everybody sees that. Right. If you. If you're taking an honest journey, you know.
- [117:11]
Top Lobster
You know what martyr means, though, right?
- [117:13]
David Lee Corbo
No word.
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Top Lobster
It means witness. It doesn't mean die. It means witness. It's just that. It's just that. Look, use common sense, right? The reason why the. The reason all 12 apostles were. Were martyred. So imagine 12 people and they were all lying about what they had witnessed. Would all 12 of them being faced with death? Like, if you're number seven, knowing that the result of the last six guys is that they were all killed, do you think that still. You'd be like, actually, it's. It still happened. Go ahead. If it didn't happen, if you didn't actually witness.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah, right, right.
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Top Lobster
Like them. So that's why martyrdom, it's like getting.
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David Lee Corbo
Together with your homies and being like, hey, you want to die for nothing? Like that didn't happen. Yeah.
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Top Lobster
So that's why. That's. Martyrdom is proof of the witnessing. Because anybody with common sense would understand, dude, if this didn't really happen, there's no way These thousands upon thousands of people throughout history, if they hadn't. If Cyprian hadn't really had his experience with the devil in Justina, would he have really agreed to go and become a martyr?
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David Lee Corbo
Right.
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Cyprian
And the witness thing is so powerful because that's kind of what happens at the end here. This is a court case, right? It's being. It's being seen through. And then at the end, there's going to be a judgment and there will be the witnesses. That's. It's powerful. You're going to. Yeah. These guys did it. We watched them do it. Amazing.
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Top Lobster
That's it.
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David Lee Corbo
Well, that's a good place to. To leave it. Let's talk about one more time where. Where people can find you.
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Cyprian
Yeah.
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Top Lobster
Oh, I don't know. I mean, I Don't give your address out.
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David Lee Corbo
I mean, I know it's on the other side of the world.
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Top Lobster
You don't want to be found. I posted a little more on. I posted a little more on Twitter lately, so I get. But if people are expecting something on Twitter, don't expect much from me. Cyprianus on Twitter and then the same on YouTube. I do a little more on YouTube on occasion. And then Bitcoin Mystery School, if people want to. I did it for four years. Like I said, it was the way that I met my spiritual father. And it really evolved. And now it's available for free. Like, if you just click that link up there at the top, you should be able to pop onto YouTube and just get the very last class for free. I used to charge about 300 per class for three days. And I sort of condensed it down. Obviously there's no audience there, so no questions. So you're missing a little bit. And no camaraderie and no private group, which was, I think, the key for most people as they were doing this for years. But, yeah, I think people will get a lot out of it, especially. So the tariff on the tariff, the reason that I've been posting on Twitter is, or X whatever, is because a lot of the work that I've done over these last years has all been economics and currency. And so this is the currency curriculum, actually. And so if you understand this, you'll understand tariffs a lot better. And it goes all the way back to scripture and teaches you how the dollar, again, like, can't separate economics, but, like how the dollar is actually a measurement, like feet and meters. Right. Dollar is actually a measurement of value and we trace it all the way back to the temple money because there's an unbroken line of the render emphases or story, the turning over the money changers tables. So if you want to know what that's all about, that's in that course.
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David Lee Corbo
That sounds fascinating.
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Cyprian
Yeah, yeah, I'm in. I'm watching it.
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David Lee Corbo
Very cool.
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Top Lobster
Yeah, it'll be in the. I think you'll love it.
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Cyprian
Perfect. It'll be in the description, all that stuff. Again, Cyprian, Vin, thank you for spending the time with us. I know it's early in the morning, but I think this was a great conversation. I. I'm excited to drop it on audio and all that to the rest of our audience and see what they. What they think about it. But again, thank you. Thank you for your time, man.
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Top Lobster
Thank you, guys. Awesome. Thanks, guys.
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Cyprian
All right, guys. Yes. Christ is King. See you later. Obey. Submit. Comply. Guys, we will see you guys next time.
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Top Lobster
The greatest hypnotist on planet Earth is a oblong box in the corner of the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. You can persuade them that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see because they'll laugh in the face of an explanation that portrays the bigger picture of what's happening. And they have it.