163: Biblical Cosmology 101 w/ Josh Monday

Summary

Podcast Summary: Nephilim Death Squad – Episode 163: Biblical Cosmology 101 with Josh Monday

Release Date: May 12, 2025
Host: TopLobsta Productions
Guest: Josh Monday

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1. Introduction to Josh Monday and His Work

The episode kicks off with Top Lobsta Productions introducing Josh Monday, a dedicated podcaster focusing on Christian and conspiracy theories. Josh shares his platforms where listeners can follow his work:

• YouTube: Josh Monday Music and Podcast
• Spotify & Other Audio Platforms: Josh Monday Christian and Conspiracy Podcast
• Additional Shows: Wednesday Service and Sunday Service on the Cult of Conspiracy platform, where he delves into the Old and New Testaments with commentary.

Josh Monday:
"You can find me on Josh Monday Music and Podcast... Look up Josh Monday Christian and Conspiracy Podcast." ([02:35])

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2. Challenges in Teaching the Bible

Top Lobster recounts his own struggles with reading the Bible, experiencing physical discomfort such as nausea and dizziness. Josh Monday encourages him by highlighting Moses' own speech impediment, suggesting that divine assistance can overcome such barriers.

Josh Monday:
"Moses actually had a speech impediment... You might be denying it, even though you might be very talented at it." ([05:17])

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3. Biblical Cosmology vs. Scientific Theories

The core of the discussion revolves around contrasting Biblical Cosmology with mainstream scientific theories like the Big Bang and Heliocentricity.

a. Creation Order: Earth First, Then Celestial Bodies

According to Josh Monday, the Bible outlines a different creation sequence than scientific models:

• Day 1: Creation of the heavens and the earth.
• Day 3: Formation of continents, oceans, and vegetation.
• Day 4: Creation of the sun, moon, and stars.

Josh Monday:
"God created the Earth first... And then on day four, God created the sun, the moon, and the stars." ([14:45])

b. Age of the Earth: 6,600 Years vs. 13.8 Billion Years

Josh challenges the Big Bang Theory by citing the Bible's timeline, which suggests the Earth is approximately 6,600 years old, starkly contrasting the scientific estimate of 13.8 billion years.

Josh Monday:
"13.8 billion years doesn't match up with the Bible whatsoever. The Bible is more of like 6,600 years." ([14:45])

c. Earth’s Fixed Position vs. Cosmic Movement

The discussion highlights Biblical passages that describe the Earth as fixed and immovable, opposing the scientific view of a rotating and orbiting planet.

Josh Monday:
"God calls the Earth fixed and immovable." ([16:11])

d. Critique of Science Incorporating Biblical Narratives

Josh criticizes Christians who attempt to blend scientific theories with Biblical accounts, suggesting that doing so inverts the creation narrative.

Josh Monday:
"If you are a Christian that believes in the Big Bang theory, you're actually believing in an inverted creation." ([16:31])

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4. Flat Earth Theory and Biblical Interpretation

Josh Monday and Top Lobster delve into the Flat Earth perspective, aligning it with Biblical texts and rejecting the Heliocentric Model.

a. Firmament (Rakia) as a Solid Dome

The firmament, described using the Hebrew word "rakia," is interpreted as a solid dome separating the "waters above" from the "waters below."

Josh Monday:
"The Hebrew root word is rakia, which means extended surface, solid expanse..." ([07:00])

b. Movement of the Sun and Moon

Biblical accounts like Joshua 10:12-13 describe miraculous events where the sun and moon stand still, emphasizing their movement controlled by divine intervention rather than cosmic mechanics.

Josh Monday:
"He [God] stopped the Moon and the Sun from moving." ([46:38])

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5. Nephilim and Their Role in Biblical Cosmology

While briefly touched upon, the discussion hints at future episodes focusing on the Nephilim, giants mentioned in the Bible, and their significance in the cosmic battle between good and evil.

Josh Monday:
"Nephilim death squad... it's a cosmic battle between Satan and God." ([116:13])

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6. Number 666 in Scientific Constructs and Biblical Significance

Josh explores the prevalence of the number 666 in various scientific measurements and its symbolic meaning in the Bible as the "number of man."

Josh Monday:
"We have every 1 mile is 8 inches squared is the curvature of the Earth... the Earth's circumference is 600 times 6 times 6 nautical miles." ([37:12])

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7. Subterranean Waters and the Biblical Flood

The conversation delves into the Biblical Flood, emphasizing the "fountains of the great deep" and the waters above the firmament, suggesting vast subterranean water reserves that align with recent scientific discoveries of primary waters.

Josh Monday:
"The fountains of the great deep were broken... water came from below." ([85:31])

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8. Interaction with the Flat Earth Community

David Lee Corbo and Top Lobster discuss the dynamics within the Flat Earth community, addressing skepticism, accusations of disinformation, and the challenges of maintaining unity in the face of conflicting interpretations.

David Lee Corbo:
"We're fighting a crazy uphill battle... people jump to conclusions that you're a planted shill." ([53:03])

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9. The Firmament and Its Scientific Implications

The firmament is a recurring theme, with references to Biblical verses that describe it as a solid structure, opposing modern scientific understandings of the atmosphere and space.

Josh Monday:
"The firmament is like a molten looking glass... it's bounding heaven to the earth." ([58:07])

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10. Conclusion and Future Topics

The episode concludes with Josh Monday emphasizing the importance of grounding conspiracy theories in Biblical truth, advocating for worshiping the Creator rather than created ideologies like Flat Earth. Future discussions are hinted to focus on the Nephilim and their role in Biblical narratives.

Josh Monday:
"At the end of all these rabbit holes... have the Bible as your foundation, have Jesus as your truth." ([117:05])

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Notable Quotes:

• Josh Monday ([05:40]):
  "Moses actually had a speech impediment... prayer is the most important thing to have."

• Josh Monday ([14:45]):
  "13.8 billion years doesn't match up with the Bible whatsoever. The Bible is more of like 6,600 years."

• Josh Monday ([16:31]):
  "If you are a Christian that believes in the Big Bang theory, you're actually believing in an inverted creation."

• David Lee Corbo ([53:03]):
  "We're fighting a crazy uphill battle... people jump to conclusions that you're a planted shill."

• Josh Monday ([116:26]):
  "Nephilim death squad... it's a cosmic battle between Satan and God."

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Key Takeaways:

1. Biblical Cosmology presents a creation narrative that starkly contrasts with mainstream scientific theories like the Big Bang and Heliocentric models.
2. The firmament is interpreted as a solid dome separating different realms, aligning with Flat Earth perspectives.
3. Flat Earth Theory is intertwined with Biblical interpretations, rejecting scientific advancements that contradict the Bible.
4. The number 666 is seen as significant both biblically and within scientific constructs.
5. Subterranean waters may align with Biblical accounts of the Flood, suggesting vast underground water reserves.
6. Community dynamics within the Flat Earth and Christian conspiracy circles face challenges due to differing interpretations and accusations.

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This episode offers a deep dive into Biblical Cosmology, challenging established scientific paradigms through a theological lens. Josh Monday provides a perspective that seeks to harmonize Biblical narratives with conspiracy theories, encouraging listeners to prioritize scriptural truths over secular scientific interpretations.

Transcript

[Top Lobster]

Top Lobster Productions.

[Josh Monday]

We are being hypnotized by people like this. News readers, politicians, teachers, lecturers. We are in a country and in a world that is being run by unbelievably sick people. The chasm between what we told is going on and what is really going on is absolutely enormous.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh yeah. Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Dude, this some Nephilim.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's like we all know what's going down, but no one's saying what happened to the home of the brave Take.

[Josh Monday]

Control us now when no one's talking.

[David Lee Corbo]

About how they made us f slaves and everybody's just walking around heading the.

[Josh Monday]

Clouds and want to wake up to.

[David Lee Corbo]

A dead in the grave.

[Josh Monday]

By then it's too late.

[David Lee Corbo]

We need to be ready to raise up. Welcome to the end of day.

[Josh Monday]

Everybody is slave. Only some are aware that the government.

[David Lee Corbo]

Releasing poison in the air. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to another very early episode of Nephilim Death Squad. I am David Lee Corbo, AKA the Raven that is Top Lobster, the father of disinformation. Before we get into today's guest, a little bit of business up front. This is only a 30 minute preview. Sometime around the 30 minute mark, we're going to go live exclusively to patreon.com backslash Nephilim Death Squad where you can sign up for free. Continue enjoying this conversation, engaging with the live chat, gaining early access to the episode and for one more day before we release the episode to the general. I'm sorry, the episode. The tickets to the general public. You can go to our Patreon and get yourself Bohemian Grove tickets. The VIP has already sold out and these tickets are moving really fast. Tomorrow they go to the general public. So if you want a chance at getting a ticket before Sam Tripley's audience, before Owen Benjamin's audience, before Shane Cashman's audience, you got to be on Patreon to get those tickets before they disappear. They are moving fast. Like I said, guys, no more VIP tickets left. They already. We moved those, nearly all of them in in basically what, 48 hours? Something like that. So here's your last chance, guys. It's gonna be this morning. By the time you're listening to this on audio feed or somewhere else, it might even be too late. So guys, today is the last day before they go to the general public. Patreon.com backslash David.

[Top Lobster]

David. Enough doom and gloom. Come on, let's go.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's not doom and gloom. It's good things, guys. Joining us today is Josh Monday. There he is. I was waiting for his picture Up Josh for the audience who may not be familiar with you. Let them know where they can find your work and what it is that you're all about.

[Josh Monday]

Okay, you can find me on Josh Monday Music and Podcast, which is at the bottom of the screen on YouTube. And then you go to. If you go to audio, you could find me on. On Spotify, Apple, or all the regular audio. And just, Just look up Josh Monday Christian and Conspiracy Podcast. And I also have two other shows. One is Wednesday service and Sunday service available on Cult of Conspiracy. Sunday service, I'm going through the Old Testament of the Bible, just word for word and doing commentary, and I'm all the way to the book of Deuteronomy 15. And then also on the New Testament is Wednesday service. And I'm all the way to Luke 17 there.

[Top Lobster]

So can I. I'll just say something. I don't like that. I feel like. So you said Cult of Conspiracy.

[Josh Monday]

Yeah, Cult of Conspiracy podcast. Yeah. Jonathan.

[Top Lobster]

So you're. You're there. Ed Mabry is somehow what they.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's exactly what's going on here. Yeah, we love. We love Cult of Conspiracy. They're going to be showing up to our event. But. But yeah.

[Top Lobster]

They'Ll be. They'll be heading up the Conspiracy Roundtable, which I'm. I'm really looking forward to because those guys like Jonathan and Jacob, first off, they're insane, but they have such great personality. So I'm gonna. We're gonna do our best to take the people that are there, like this hodgepodge group of people, and just throw them on stage with them, cycle them in and see how they handle it. Like, what's the conversation? It's gonna be a lot of fun. But I, Yeah, I love that they have you doing that. What a great idea. Just have you hosting this Bible study, man.

[Josh Monday]

Yeah, they. They hit me up and they asked me when I went on their show, they said, hey, man, we have a proposition for you. And I started doing Sunday service and it was working out really well. And thank God, you know, all glory to God. So. And then they asked me to do Wednesday service, so it's such a blessing, you know, to. They allowed me on their. They have a huge platform, you know, so to allow me to do that on their platform, which was mostly conspiracy people. It is such a blessing, man. I really enjoy it and it really assists me in my life, you know, 100 going to the most important thing to have a week and the other two days a week. Go ahead.

[David Lee Corbo]

Especially right now. It's a It's a weird time, you know what I mean? And a lot of people, we talk about it often. It's like, ever since the lockdowns, people have really gotten queued into the idea that there's a spiritual realm, and that's a great realization. But with that comes a lot of, like, nuance about this spiritual realm, you know? And in my opinion, the Bible does the best job at it. So this is something that people need right now. I'm always a big fan of when people are doing kind of Bible studies. I tried one time. I'm just a terrible reader, it turns out. I wanted to try to learn alongside the audience and. And go through the Bible and. And instead I realized that I was subjecting them to hell, which is listening to me read a book. It's. It's really a painful process for people. So. But hats off to you, very, very cool content that you're making over there.

[Josh Monday]

Moses actually had a speech impediment, right? So he. He. He thought he wasn't chosen either. So you might want to pray about it. And then God might be choosing you to do that, and you might be. You might be denying it, even though you might be very talented at it. And you're just thinking in your own head, so you might be able to do it, man. Just. That's all you got to do is just ask God for, you know, for the talent, man, and you'll give.

[David Lee Corbo]

True.

[Top Lobster]

There is something. There's something to say about, like, I feel like there was a block, and I don't want to be the, like, the. The guy that goes like, this was. There was a demonic block because I couldn't read. Couldn't read the Bible. But there was. There was a demonic block because it was hard to read the Bible because I found it boring. I found the Old Testament. I was like, this is whack. I don't want to even look at this. And then it turns out like. Like I'm. I'm discovering, like, no, no, this is the best book in the world. Like, what was wrong with me?

[David Lee Corbo]

You know, what happened to me when I was trying to do the read? It's actually very embarrassing. So. So I don't know what it is. I'm trying to rationalize it right in any other way besides what you just said, top, which is demons. But I'm like, maybe it's because I'm looking down and I never look like that. But I'm like, I look at my. My phone all day long, and that doesn't. And I Started getting nauseous. Like, I had to. I kept. I kept telling the chat. I was like, I gotta take breaks because I'm getting, like, nauseous or lightheaded or nauseous. I don't know. It was weird. It was maybe three times that I tried to do it. And then after that, I was like, I guess I need the audiobook. Because if I look down and try to read either that or it's demons. Could well be demons.

[Josh Monday]

What you could do is you could share the screen and you could go to the Bible Hub or Bible app, and then you could just read it off the screen as you're. As you're teaching.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, that's why, I guess, because I have a couple of physical Bibles right next to me. I felt like I needed to read the book sitting in front of a perfectly good monitor. Could have. Could have figured that a different way. But, yeah, that was. Yeah, I never told you about that because I was like that. It made me feel bad. I didn't like the way that made me feel. I was like, why am I getting nauseous and dizzy when I'm trying to read the Bible? But I don't know. I never, ever, ever try to read under any other context, mostly because I can't. So I don't know if it's just the Bible or if it's all things. Like, if I picked up a Goosebumps book, is that still gonna happen?

[Top Lobster]

That was when we first started the show.

[Josh Monday]

Right?

[Top Lobster]

I remember you doing that. It was like a couple months ago, sort of.

[David Lee Corbo]

I was doing. I was doing it for the Patreon members, I think. So it was at least when we had Patreon, you know, when we. When we got Patreon up and running. But, yeah, it was. It was weird. I tried and, you know, whatever the heck happened there happened there. But as far as this. This conversation is. Is concerned today, Josh, we were talking before we started the show about the idea of biblical cosmology, which is something that we've touched on here and again with Ed Mabry, you know, mentions of the Maseroth and God's story and the stars. But I'm really eager to expand on that concept because, of course, I don't know if it's astrology or astronomy. I guess astronomy is the actual scientific study of the stars. Astrology is the sort of pseudo, your personality traits are beholden to the star systems that you were born under type of deal. But that gets thrown out in a huge way. And some people go so far as to say like reading the stars or anything like that is a negative thing. But I think that these darker forces, these fallen, they can't create. They can only invert and pervert God's creation. And God put the stars there. So obviously that's the starting point, right? Is like stars and, and the, and the symbols and signs in the stars are not inher. Inherently demonic. But I think it's all about the interpretation and it's all about the tools that you use to understand them. So I'm eager to get into this conversation with you. Josh. Where do you want to start on that topic?

[Josh Monday]

Well, this, this is more about the actual creation itself and what I believe was created. So it's, it's, it gets interesting and you know, some people might be turned off to, to, to flat earth or some, or something like that, but what I call biblical cosmology would be, would be flatter from a biblical perspective. Or I will also expand on if you do believe in a globe with, with geocentricity or I don't believe the Bible teaches any kind of heliocentricity at all. But that's what I was going to do. Just kind of go over the creation. Starting from what I like to do first is, is kind of get a few verses out of the way so people understand, you know, to take how, how I actually perceive the Bible, right. So first off, I'd go to Proverbs 35, 6. It says every word of God is pure. He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him. Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar. Right? So also we have Deuteronomy 4, 2. You shall not add to the word which I command you. So he's telling you, do not take the, the, the words and add to it. You don't, you don't need to, to add to the Bible. God already, His Word is already pure, right? And also I would, I would go to Titus 1:2 which says it's a, it says God cannot lie. And then if you go to, if you go to Hebrews 6:18, it says it's impossible for God to lie, right? So we need to understand that. And the reason why that's so important is because if you go to, you know, the book of Genesis is written by Moses, right? So when you go, you know, Moses, he's getting a first hand account from the Most High. And in the, and in Numbers 12 verses 4 through 8, it says that God speaks to, spoke to Moses face to face in the New King James, it says that in the, in the, in King James it says actually mouth to mouth, right? So when Moses got Genesis or the creation story, all of that has to be a first hand account from God. The reason why I say that is because how is he going to know what the devil said to Adam in the garden, right, If Moses was not there, right? How is he going to know what Joseph said, you know, how's he going to know what, you know, what Isaac said to, to Rachel? How's he going to know any of this intimate details about those scenarios if those were not first hand account from God? Right. So, and obviously the most important part that we're talking about today is going to be the creation. And obviously we know that no man was alive or there at the time of creation, right? So when Moses is talking about the creation from day one to day six, you know, day seven, obviously arrested, this is actually a first hand account from God. And the only one that was there, if you believe in the Trinity like I do, you know, would be, would be God and then Jesus, which God created through him, which is the Word, and then the Holy Spirit that was hovering over the water, right? So that's the only, the only place I'm going to take anything about creation personally as a Christian is going to be from God and from the Bible. I'm not going to take man's word for it, obviously. I'm not going to take a scientist's word for it obviously, because they've only lived on the earth for 60 years. And if you go to the book of Job 38, what happens is when somebody tries to act like they know more than God, like the scientists do, God immediately goes to cosmology and says, where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? So it is an important thing and something I like to, to talk about and get into, right? So we have that. And then you guys can interject anytime that you like, like you guys said you guys would. But there's just a few things, like I said, I like to go over first. Also, faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God. That's Romans 10:17. So faith is built by hearing the word of God, right? And then what kind of faith is being produced? You know, if you hear the word of God, yet you do not believe it, right? It's, it's, it's, it's something the devil likes to attack, right? Is just like when you were reading the Bible, maybe you were being attacked, right? Because when you, when you read the word of God to people and they hear it. That's how they build faith. Right? So we have that. And then Hebrews 11:6, another one. It says it is impossible to please God without faith. All right, so that's going to be the main thing that God attacks. I mean, not God attacks, that the devil attacks. Right. Is going to be your faith. Right. Because it actually, like I said, it's impossible to please God without it. So what I believe happens is we know with the Big Bang that the Big Bang theory, evolution, and I even believe heliocentricity, which I believe is like the scientific trinity. Is it, it is made and created for you to pick up the Bible and, and read it and, and think, well, you know, I've been taught in school all these different things, you know, throughout college. And then now I pick up the word of God and I read Genesis and then you just think it's, it has to the allegorical or something. Right. Because it doesn't line up with anything you've been taught in school.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right. Let me, let me ask you this, Josh. What do you make of Christians breaking up? You are breaking up a little bit, but that. I think it's all right. Just give it a second. I wanted to ask you, what do you think of Christians who they, they take the theory of the Big Bang and they incorporate it into their view of, you know, Christianity and their worldview and their understanding of God. And they'll say things like, I believe in the Big Bang because science says the Big Bang is real and we could observe this ever expanding universe, which suggests if you rewind it, it would be ever contracting, therefore it consolidates into this single pin. But God is, is who kicked it off and, and I don't know, it doesn't seem like there's much of a, a descriptive that matches up with the Big Bang in the Bible. In Genesis.

[Josh Monday]

I would say, well, 13.8 billion years doesn't match up with the Bible whatsoever. The Bible is more of like 6,600 years. Right. So also what, what they say with the Big Bang theory is that the, the stars came first and then the sun at 4.6 billion years ago and then the Earth 4.5 billion years ago. But when you go into the Bible, what was created first? It says that the earth was created first the earth was created, I would say it says, and it says God created the heavens and the earth in the very beginning. Right. And then on day three, God, God created the continents, the dry land and vegetation and the seas which are the oceans. And then it wasn't until day four, God created the sun, the moon, sun and the stars also. So it's already inverted when you, when you go to the Big Bang theory already. Because what they do is they need the sun first, they need the stars first. Right. 13.6 billion years ago. And then that 4.6 billion years ago they need the sun because it's supposed to be this gigantic object and then they need the Earth to be orbiting it. But the Bible is not talking about that whatsoever. The Bible says that God created the Earth first, right? And then he created the moon, sudden the stars on day four. So it is inverted. So if you are a Christian that believes in the Big Bang theory, you're actually believing in an inverted creation. So we need to pay to the details as well, right?

[David Lee Corbo]

Isn't it? It's almost like saying like, yeah, I believe in, in God creating the universe, but I just believe the Bible has it like backwards. That's not how it happened. Right? So it's a, that's a weird thing. It's a coping. It's, it's mental gymnastics in very many ways. It's like either you believe it or you don't. But instead you've adopted some like pseudo version of it where everything happens in reverse.

[Josh Monday]

You're filtering science through the Bible and if it's not working out, what they're doing is they're filtering the Bible through science and if it doesn't line up, they're taking the Bible and throwing out. But what I'm telling you is like Proverbs 3, 6 says, don't add to the word of God. What I'm telling you is to take science and filter it through the Bible and if it's not true, then throw the science out. Oh no. Well, that's the reason why is because the science that's called science nowadays, most of it is theoretical and it's not proven facts, right? So for me, the Bible is true. Like it says God's word is true and it's pure. But, but science to me is tainted. So I just have a different view. If you guys don't believe like that, it's okay. But that's just the way I look at life because I know that God was actually there during creation and he is the one that created it. Now, if you're an atheist, I don't expect you to believe the Bible at all. And if you're somebody that is lukewarm or don't believe the Bible 100, I understand it still takes time to to learn, you know, before you fully grasp it. But what I say is God's word is pure and he's the one that actually created the heavens and the earth. So we need to take what he says and, and, and believe that over what man says, you know?

[Top Lobster]

Well, I mean, most, I guess.

[Josh Monday]

Yeah. I feel like it's breaking up for Sims and I apologize. Gus.

[David Lee Corbo]

If you, if you want, Josh, you could always just try to refresh the browser. Sometimes we run into this issue. It's been happening rather frequently lately and we have some success when people refresh their, their browser. So if you want to go ahead and do that and we'll keep the conversation going, keep it warm till you come back. What were you saying, Top?

[Top Lobster]

I was gonna say that, you know, most Christians miss this anyway, like what he's talking about kind of looking at like, all right, what does the Bible say? And then what is happening and what is correct and yeah, all right.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, that's okay. Yeah, that'll happen. It'll kick you out, but we'll bring you back on. There you go. Your, your video quality is increased as well. So, so good.

[Top Lobster]

One of the big things is like I don't just a modern day Christian. Something that most miss that are within the church is like the idea of Israel. What it is. Not just that, but Judaism and what current Judaism is and what it believes and that it's not compatible with Christianity. But for some reason they just can't, they can't look at the Bible first. Well, look at just the entire Bible. Look at the New Testament about everything that Jesus taught here and not to. It's not an anti Semitic statement or anything, but it's. I think people need to come to the realization that. Yes. All right, so one, the big bang does not fit within the biblical narrative. So it needs to be discarded. Judaism does not fit within the entire biblical narrative needs to be discarded. That's not your greatest ally. This is a. Something separate, something different. It's created. In a response to, in a response against. I, I would even go as far as saying, but you know, people miss it and it is what it is and here we are.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, on the topic of things that people have adopted as models and maybe should get rid of within the Bible, Josh, do you believe that there is clear and concise information that points to flat earth?

[Josh Monday]

Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm going to go over. What I'll go over was, is what science says, which we kind of went over a little bit so far. And then I'll tell you guys what the Bible says. First off, I was going to say something. And Jesus also in, in John 5. 45, says, if you don't, if you do not believe the words of Moses, you will not believe my words. Just, just so people know. So that also.

[Top Lobster]

That's, that's not what I'm saying.

[Josh Monday]

Oh, no, I know, I know you're not. I know you're not. I'm just saying for the cosmology aspect of it, you know, like. Oh, yeah, Jesus also points to that. But yeah, I know what you mean. Like, I definitely know what you understand, what you're, what you're saying. But go ahead, go ahead. What were you gonna say? Continue.

[Top Lobster]

Oh, no, just to clarify. Yeah, what I was. I'm talking about the Mishnah and the, and the Talmud. I'm not talking about the Torah, which are the original books of the Bible. These things are, you know, they have nothing to do with what we're doing here, but that, it's just another conversation that we had.

[Josh Monday]

The tower, the talent is just is, is just is, is man also.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, you know what?

[Josh Monday]

Give me one second.

[Top Lobster]

Let me pull out my version of the town.

[David Lee Corbo]

He's like, speaking of the Talibud. Yeah, I, I, sorry, I do.

[Josh Monday]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

All right, There we go.

[Josh Monday]

All right. Yeah, perfect. Yeah, that's. It's just. Yeah, the Talmud is like, literally, man, trying to commentate the Bible and create their own idea of what God was saying. Yeah, so I agree with you, bro, 100 about that.

[David Lee Corbo]

So, so what information then Josh points to? Because I know that there, you know, there's, there's a God show with his handiwork in the firmament, and there's quite a bit about the descriptive of the firmament, you know, and then that becomes a challenge because even if you don't believe that we live on a flat plane, you're still getting a descriptive of some sort of a dome, some sort of separation of waters above from waters below. And, you know, it's funny because we do spend a lot of time humanity, I guess. And I don't think that. I don't know if it's wrong, but it's like science is just the pursuit of trying to understand the realm that you're in. I think if, if you pay attention, you will find that over time, science confirms the Bible. It happens over and over again. There's like, things that we suspected that took place historically that the Bible talks about, you know, like, let's say the, the flood, for example. And if you look around now, there's all sorts of, you know, the. The weathering on the Sphinx or whatever, this Graham Hancock ancient apocalypse sort of narrative that's going around, and everybody seems pretty comfortable with the idea that there was some sort of massive flood. And. And it. There seems to be evidence of it across various cultures as well, that are separated by, you know, great distances, oceans and such. And they're all explaining the same sort of flood mythos. And then you go, okay, well, it seems like the Bible or. Or even, I believe they found Noah's Ark recently on. On a peak in a mountain range. What was the mountain range called? Because the Bible actually says which mountain Noah's Ark settled on, but it turns out, is it Arafat? Am I. Am I just making up words here?

[Josh Monday]

Mount Arafat. It's.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's.

[Josh Monday]

I think it sounds. It sounds like Mount Arafat. That's exactly what I was thinking in my head. So.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, but there is Mount Arafat, and then there. There are the mountains surrounding Arafat, and so there is one in particular that is called Mount Arafat. But then there. There is a mountain range, you know, that. That is described that way as. Well. They found the Ark there.

[Top Lobster]

It's.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's there. There was a mudslide recently and revealed a lot more of what they suspected was the ark, but it was. It was buried and. And, you know, it was unretrievable at the time. But there is a. A mudslide that takes place, and all of a sudden, the mast. Ararat. I said Arafat.

[Josh Monday]

Oh, Arat. There you go.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, not Arat, but there was a. There was a. A stern, I think that was, like, partially v visible. And now the entire thing is visible. It's definitively a gigantic ship that fits all the dimensions that were described in the Bible and also is on the top of a mountain, which you have a pretty hard time explaining how a ship got on the top of the mountain if you don't have a gigantic flood. So we go through this where it's like, over and over again. The Bible does get confirmed. I'm wondering if. If we are at the cusp of, like, a big flat earth confirmation, because, you know, we just had that, like, the final experiment. Experiment. And I didn't really follow that, bro.

[Josh Monday]

I. I was like, I came in fourth on. On the. There was a thing called the golden ticket for that Will Duffy threw, and I.

[David Lee Corbo]

You were getting. Oh, that.

[Josh Monday]

Damn.

[David Lee Corbo]

You were close. Fourth place.

[Josh Monday]

Yeah, I was very close, going, yeah. And Will, I have on my show, too, and I talked to Jiren as well, not with it so much. I haven't talked to him at all.

[David Lee Corbo]

For some reason we were gonna have wits it on and then I don't know, I don't know what's, what's happened. Like, I, I didn't pay attention to that. To the extent that I can see people on Twitter and just in this kind of content creation realm are displeased, I guess. And, and you know, there's a lot of accusations of this person's a shill, that person's a shill. I don't really know what happened there, but to me it's significant how much flat earth has become part of the conversation lately. And then there is a lot in the Bible that confirms it. But to what extent, you know, is, is it just the, the things that we're peripherally aware of, which is the description of the firmament and things like that, or is there more?

[Josh Monday]

There's a, there's, there's a lot to it, you know, like I, I, I'll go over first. Like, like science says that we're obviously, we're spinning at a thousand miles an hour is what they say. Right at the equator. They say that we're actually orbiting the sun at 66, 000 miles an hour. They say that the, that the moon is actually orbiting us at 2600 miles an hour. Right. And, and the fact, just to let you guys know, the fastest bullet actually travels at 1800 miles an hour. So it's saying we're basically going 30 times faster than the fastest bullet orbiting the sun. Right. And we feel none of it at all.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Josh Monday]

Which is very interesting. I know some people say that we keep the same speed, but I mean, I can understand maybe the thousand miles an hour with this giant Earth, but the 66,600 miles an hour is, is for me is very hard to, to, to grasp. But it's also.

[David Lee Corbo]

Why is it 666? Like why, why, why is that, that's how fast we're going. Is 66,600 miles? Like, well, that's a strange number to come to. Yeah. Okay.

[Josh Monday]

At the end of this, actually, I could wrap it up into a big bow and give you a whole bunch of six sixes that are in the scientific heliocentric model. But yes. And, and why would we have that? Definitely. And then also what I was going to say is, you know, if there's, that's not the only movement. Also, the sun is traveling at450,000 miles an hour, and we're actually chasing the sun through the universe, right? So that's also a giant number. So when you know those, those types of, of things, you know, the Bible is not talking about the Earth's orbiting the sun whatsoever. I could, I could go into it, but I'll go over a few more things so you guys understand the, the how, how huge they've made the universe compared to what I think the Bible is describing. Like the closest star, for example, it's Alpha Centauri. It's 4.4 light years away. That doesn't sound like a lot because they only give us it in light years. But what is a light year? A light year is actually 6 trillion miles. So you actually have to take 6 trillion times it by 4.4. So the closest star is 24 trillion miles away. The closest one, there's some, as far as, you know, 1 million light years away. And we're able to see it with these little beady eyes looking up in the sky. Which I think is very interesting.

[David Lee Corbo]

You know, isn't it funny that they've managed to do that where it says materialism in the scientific community came along and they said that the Bible and supernatural concepts are pseudoscience. None of this is real. These are fantasies, these are allegories. These are just ways of maintaining stories and traditions, you know, over time. And, and then they give us the most insane models where they're like, yeah, was the size of the, the head of a pin and everything that you see bursts out of that for no discernible reason whatsoever. Also, we are catapulting through outer space in, in no particular direction. We don't know where we're going, but we're going there at 66, 666 miles per hour. Like they've given us all the most insane shit while telling us that the Bible is insane. It's, it's, it's fascinating.

[Josh Monday]

It, I think it definitely is for sure. And even Copernicus himself, you know, like if you look into him, you know. Well, first of all, evolution came from a 33 degree Mason, which is, which is going to be Charles Darwin's grandfather, right? He's a 33 degree Mason handed evolution to Charles Darwin. So that kind of takes care of that portion. And then the Big bang came from George Lamontri, which is like a Belgian cosmologist, Catholic priest, Jesuit trained. So we have a freemason with evolution. Now we have a Jesuit with, with the Big Bang theory. Now we go to the heliocentric model, which is Copernicus. And even in his own writings, he's talking about in the middle of the sun sits. In the middle sits the sun enthroned in the most beautiful temple. Could we place this luminary in any better position which can illuminate the whole whole at once. It says he is rightly called the lamp. Okay, who else is called the lamp? Well, if you go to Revelation, Jesus is called the lamp, you know, when there's a new heaven and a new earth. So he's actually comparing the sun to Jesus, right? So we have him saying that. And he says the mind of the ruler of universe, Hermes Transgresses, names him the visible God, right? He says Sophilus Electric calls him the all seeing. So the sun sits upon a royal throne, ruling his children. The planets would circle around him. Okay, so he's actually calling the sun a hymn. And he's actually calling it, like in a temple, as if the sun is what? Like the sun is a God. All right? And it's saying that the. The earth has the moon at her service. As Aristotle says in his own animals, the moon has the closest relation to the earth. Meanwhile, the earth conceives by the sun and becomes pregnant by an annual rebirth. So he is actually speaking like, as if the sun is a God in a temple and everything needs the sun, right? And that goes back to Babylonian times, it goes back to Egypt, that goes back to Apollo, that goes back to, you know, Rome, Nimrod. All that stuff is all sun worship. So it's the same exact thing packaged to the public in a way that when they. Well, they say it's scientific and when you get, when you dig deeper, you're finding a cult, occult teachings throughout. And even though the people right now, they say that they're atheists, they believe in naturalism, and they, they don't understand that there's a cult backing to all this information. You know, so not saying I discovered something great here, like, it's just, it's this is. This is from different people's research and things that, that I've studied. But it, it's just when you go back to the people that actually came up with the models, they're actually, there's. There's a cult behind it, you know, So I would just say that that is the reason why you hear Roman gods. That's why the planets are called Roman gods, and in the Bible they're called wandering stars. So the reason why is because the wandering stars are disobeying what God's orders are. God's orders are what the normal luminaries do. And the planets or the wandering stars which are going to be judged. It says that in the book of Jude are actually called Saturn and Jupiter and Neptune, which are what? Those are all gods. Okay? So there's a reason for it. It's not Christmas.

[David Lee Corbo]

Before we, before we go any further, we're at the 33 minute mark and I've been watching a lot of people in the chat complain about how we typically kick out what we like to call the pores around the 30 minute mark. And they don't like that very much. And so we're definitely going to do it right now. Guys, if you want to continue watching this episode, you got to go over to patreon.com backslash nephilim death squad. If you would like to not complain about the money. You could actually sign up.

[Top Lobster]

Like, they don't understand that. Like, if they do that, we're gonna make fun of you harder. I can't.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, 100. Yeah, yeah, I'd love to.

[Top Lobster]

What are you doing?

[David Lee Corbo]

You're trying to make money. You have to edit this down. You've got to adjust the audio and put in sponsored ads and all this stuff. Let us watch this for free. We are entitled to your labor. Guys, go to patreon.com backslash nephilim death squad. Continue watching for free. You could sign up for free and, you know, just give us a chance to edit this. For the love of God, don't be upset. Otherwise we're out of here. Catch you guys later. Josh, one of the, the things that you stepped on there that I find fascinating is you talked about atheists for a moment and you said that, you know, they, they believe in science, they don't believe in religion. But there is something about human beings that I've become very comfortable with and that is we are designed to, to worship. And, and we're, we're made to worship. And if we think we are not worshiping something, we're mistaken. Right. So you have science, which has become its very own church, its very own religion, the religion of science. Right. And then of course you have what goes a little bit further that allows you to experience some supernatural whilst while not being ridiculed by the scientific community. Where does that take place? Sci fi, which is a weird thing because it's often like a revelation of the method. They're showing you concepts, ideas, technologies, and then you later on find out that, yeah, there's a basis for those ideas and that is the occult. It's esoteria. Right. So atheists it's, it's, it's a funny thing to say that you don't worship, you're not religious, because those people often times will have all of their walls covered in, you know, all the Star wars lore, which, of course, all of the good stories, Lord of the Rings, Star wars, all these things that they freak out about, they're all pulled from biblical concepts. That's why they resonate with you. So it's, it's just fascinating because I don't think that there was a time in history, probably in the 90s, it was much more popular, where atheism was considered some sort of an intellect status. If you were atheist, that meant that you were materialistic, it meant that you were thinking, you were a critical thinker, you enjoyed science, you weren't prone to flights of fancy. Now I realize that atheists were never that smart because they overlooked something tremendously obvious about the human condition, which is there is no such thing as being atheist. You will worship something.

[Josh Monday]

Yes. And, and it becomes an idol because they will fight to their death that the naturalist thing is true, which, which a lot of it is pseudoscience. You know, it's not, it's not like proven science. One million. It's like, it's not something you should put your flag on, you know. But yeah, I agree, bro. And it's definitely a religion, no matter what people think. But yeah, so we'll go, we'll go over the days real quick, what the Bible teaches real fast. Okay? So I told you guys, day one, in the beginning, Elohim created the Shamayim and the Aret, which is the heavens and the earth. And the earth was out form and void and darkness upon the face of the deep. And then the spirit hovered over the face of the waters. And then it says, day two, you know, God said, let there be a firmament, right? When he says let there be, that means exist. Okay, so that means when he says, it says, said let there be, it's like God saying, exist, firmament. Okay? So the firmament, the, the, the Hebrew root word is rakia, right? And it's extended surface, solid expanse and expand, flat as base support. Firmament, a vault of heaven supporting the waters above, considered by Hebrews as solid and supporting waters above. So the Hebrews being who? Well, the Hebrews being, you know, Isaiah, Isaac, all the people that, that wrote that, that are in the Bible, the characters in the Bible, those are the Hebrews, the Hebrew Israelites. Okay, so Moses, all the prophets, right? And they're considering the, the firmament to be solid, supporting the waters above. Because in Genesis 2, even if you go to, like the CJB, which is the complete Jewish Bible, it says God said, let there be a dome in the middle of the water. Let it divide the water from the water. God made the dome and divided the water under the dome from the water above the dome. That is how it was. And God called the dome sky. In. In the. In the King James, it says God called the. The dome heaven or the firmament heaven. Okay, so in the Bible, you have three heavens. The first heaven would be where the moon, sun, and the stars are located. The second heaven would be the firmament. That's the one that said God called the firmament heaven in, in the King James. And then the third heaven would be where God's throne is located. So I believe the Bible is describing God's throne being above the firmament. That's in Ezekiel 1:26, where it says that he was. He was brought up to the firmament. And he said that he looked through the firmament and above the firmament, he saw a man or likeness of a man on a throne. So I believe he was brought to the firmament seeing God on the throne. Right. So we have that. And then in day three, it says that God created the oceans, the dry land, the plants and vegetation. So that means the continents are formed now. So right, right now you have a firmament. You have where the moon, sun, and the stars are going to be placed. And then you have the dry land and vegetation, right. And. And the oceans. And then day four, that's when God created the moon, sun, and the stars also. He said he created the greater light to rule the day, lesser light to rule the night, and the stars also. Okay, so the greater light to rule the day, the sun, lesser light to rule the night, the moon. And he said he created two great lights, not one great light to. To shine off the other. He says two great lights, greater light to rule the day, lesser light to rule the night. So God is describing in Genesis that the moon is a light, the sun is a light. He's not saying that the sun is shining off the moon to create the light.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right. And to that point, Josh, haven't we recently had some sort of scientific development where there's a real consideration that the moon is its own luminary, it's its own light source. It produces something that I've. I've heard described as. I forget what it is. It's like, it's. It's a totally different light than what the sun puts off, I want to say there's words associated with it like decay and things like that.

[Josh Monday]

Okay.

[David Lee Corbo]

Man, I forget what the terminology. It's gonna really screw me up that I can't remember this. But either way, yeah. I mean, there's. There's a lot of people that are doing research right now. It's like, no, it's not reflecting the sun's light. This thing is producing its own light, which is, you know, how close are we now, once again, to scientifically proving, which is, you know, it just happens over and over again.

[Josh Monday]

Take your phone, go outside at night and take a picture of the moon, and then go take a picture of a light and then tell me it doesn't look exactly like that light. Okay, it definitely does. Okay. And I'm not saying that you can't land on it. I have no idea. And I know that the moon landing, if. If you're a conspiratorial law, you have to dig into that. And I'm not saying you can't land on it. I just think it is a light for sure. And. But I don't believe in the moon landing either. But I'm just saying I don't know if you can land on it or not, but.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Josh Monday]

Okay, here's some other verses. Okay, so the Bible talks about the earth being fixed and immovable. Okay? That's another thing, right? So so far we have the order of creation, the earth being first, the sun and the moon being, you know, on the fourth day. So that goes against science. Here's another thing. Okay, So I have Zechariah 1:11. It says, and they answered the angel of the Lord that stood among the myrtle trees and said, we walk to and fro through the earth. And behold, all the earth sitteth still and is at rest. First Chronicles 16:30. Tremble before him all the earth. The world is firmly established, it shall not be moved. And. And Psalms 93:1. The Lord reigns, He is clothed with majesty. The Lord is closed, and he has girded himself with strength. Surely the world is established so that it cannot be moved. Psalms 93:10 also says that the. The. It says he shall. It says, the world is also established, it shall not be moved. He shall judge the people righteously. And then if you go to Psalms104.5, it actually says, you laid the foundations of the earth, that it shall not be moved forever. Okay, so that is talking about the earth being fixed and immovable, right? So I don't believe that the earth is. Is moving now. Another thing we have is if you go to. If you do go to The Mormon Bible, Helliman 12:4, it talks about. Let me make sure that that's correct. I don't want to give you the wrong first, even though I don't want anybody to actually be reading the Mormon Bible. Hellman 12:15. It does talk about the sun staying still and the earth orbiting it. It's the only Bible you're gonna find that in which I believe what Joseph Smith did is he. He compromised for science and acted like his new revelation points to what science is pointing out. Okay, so I believe it. Obviously, I don't. I don't believe in the Mormon Bible, but I'm just telling you this. It says, according to his word, the earth goeth back, and it appeareth unto man that the sun standeth still. Yet behold, this is so for surely the earth that moveth and this and not the sun, which he is still wrong. Because obviously they say the sun is moving450,000 miles an hour, but.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right.

[Josh Monday]

I'm just telling you guys, the Holy Bible doesn't point to that. The demonic Mormon Bible points to that heliocentricity. Right. So we have that. All right, so we have.

[David Lee Corbo]

I'd like to address this real quick too.

[Josh Monday]

Go ahead.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, one of the homies in the chat. Where did it go here? Zman. He says, so when they say they have enough nukes to destroy the whole Earth, it's a lie. And then he says, just like the nukes. But. But I think that's a good point is like. Yeah, without that foundation of, like, the Earth is immovable forever. If you remove that, it allows for a lot of. What would you call it? Sort of crate. What do you call it? Like a crisis of. Of identification or something like that. Like a lot of fear of total annihilation. But. But you can't have that if you believe that the Earth is immovable forever. But you can if you go, there's black holes out there, there's asteroids out there. We have nuclear weapons that could destroy the entire planet. And who knows what kind of calamity could take place at any moment because we are careening through outer space at, you know, 400 and something, thousand miles per hour, whatever the hell the number is. That opens up the door to a lot of. I think it all opens it up to fear and uncertainty, which is. Yeah, this is quite the opposite of what the Bible says to be.

[Top Lobster]

Clint. Clint sent me a video of them dropping some nuclear bomb in the ocean. And he goes, top Will say that this is not a big deal. And I looked at it and I was like, on the grand scheme of things, not really. I mean, it's an impressive bomb. Sure. Like you dropped it, but like we're talking about the Earth, like the entire. They think like if we drop a couple of nukes, that I don't think you could destroy what God has created. You could ding it up a little bit, like Elon's dinging up our firmament. Real nice. But you're not going to destroy it, so I'm not too worried.

[David Lee Corbo]

Another really funny thing about this whole firmament thing is now that we have the technology where we're launching rockets in the public eye at a relatively consistent basis, you keep getting these videos where you go, and I don't know what's happening, but it looks a lot like this thing is dinging off of the surface of water. Like that's what it looks like. The, the rocket looks to be moving towards something and it's like it's, it's hitting something that has enough surface tension that it can't pierce it. But whatever is beyond that, that layer that it can't pierce, reacts like water. And you watch it. It looks like water. It looks like a boat on the top of like a bioluminescent body of water.

[Josh Monday]

Yeah. And some people would say maybe a super fluid. It could be something like that or.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, yeah. Look at. Oh, look at that, look at that. Look at that. If that doesn't. That looks like something is hitting. Josh is off the screen. That looks like something is hitting and, and, and attempting to pierce. Yeah, look at. Wow.

[Josh Monday]

Yeah. Yeah, bro. It's. Yeah. So that's what God is talking about. The waters above, you know, and, and what we need to understand is that in, in Genesis it says that God placed the moon, sun and the stars in the firmament. So within the firmament. Right. So we don't have like a firmament and then the moon center, the stars are outside of that. But there is a different views on that where there's seven heavens. But I believe that the Bible in, in second Corinthians 12, verse two through four is talking about Paul going to the third heaven. Right. And that's where paradise is located. So I'm only seeing three heavens. If you go to extra biblical text, you might find seven heavens. Sean from Kingdom. Kingdom in context, he teaches the seven heaven model where the. Their stars and the moon are in different layers. I, I don't teach that. I teach. I believe that the moon, sun and the stars are within the firmament. There's one firmament which is talked about in Genesis 1:7. And, and then the waters are above that. And above that would be God's throne. Okay, so another thing that I want to talk about is we have the earth being fixed and immovable so far, right? And. And the moon, sun, the stars within the firmament. Well, we have Bible verses that do talk about the, the moon and the sun are moving. Okay, so those are the one moving. The earth is fixed and movable. So first off, I'd go to Joshua 10, verses 12 through 13. It says, Then spoke Joshua to the Lord in the day the Lord delivered up the Amorites, which Nephilim, death squad. We should understand who the Amorites are. The Amorites are actually the king of Bashan OG. Right. You know who that is? He had a 15 by 7 foot bed. He is a giant. Right? So anytime that God is dealing with Nephilim, which I'll do a show with you guys on that too, because I, I could go through the whole Bible on that. But the Amorites are giants. Okay? So God is, is this is Joshua fighting against the Amorites, which, which if you go to Genesis 15, there's a five and four king war. And there's, there's Raphaim fighting in that war with Sodom and Gomorrah right there on their side. And at the very end of that war, God says, I am not through with the Amorites yet. Right? And then throughout the Bible, as you go through Exodus and numbers, you're seeing the Amorites being mentioned. Now finally, this is the war where God says that to take out the Amorites, right? So God is getting involved. How does he get involved? It says that the Lord delivered the Amorites before the children of Israel. And he said, in the sight of Israel, son, stand still upon Gibeon and thou moon in the valley of Vashon. And the sun stood still until the moon stayed and, and the moon stayed until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is it not written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven and has not go down about a whole day. And if you continue reading, it says that God. This is the first time God has ever done this, and he will never do this again. So he stopped the moon and the sun from moving. He put him in two geographical locations, right? He doesn't say that he stopped the earth from spinning, the earth from moving. Nothing about the earth. He's only talking about the sun and the Moon stopping until they avenge their enemies. Okay. So this is very important, I think, because God is getting involved. And you only see God get involved when they're dealing with Nephilim or Raphael most of the time in the Old Testament.

[David Lee Corbo]

What do you.

[Top Lobster]

What do you make of the. The final experiment? So we're talking about the sun moving. And they were added, I think they were in Antarctica or something like that. And it's moving in a figure 8 in a certain spot, because I, I do. I do have a feeling that it's flat. I don't think it's round, although I do enjoy a nice globe from time to time. But what do you. Do you think that the, the flat Earth map is just incorrect? What was going on there?

[Josh Monday]

I think that. I think what people did is they married the AE map, which is the echo. Distant. I. I don't know how to pronounce it. Sorry. I'm gonna. I'm gonna butcher it. Okay, so the AE map, which is Antarctica on the outside brim, right? And then. And then all the other continents on the inside. So everybody kind of married that. Not everybody. Some people married that model to the Bible, Biblical cosmology. So when they went to Antarctica, which I, I do believe is. Is real. I know people say it's not real, it's an Amazon studio and all that stuff. I don't, I don't. I don't like to call people liars unless I have definitive 1 million proof, then, then that's. Then maybe you could call someone liar. But I don't want to call, like Jaren. I don't want to call Whitson. I don't want to call Will Duffy, who's a pastor, and these people liars unless you have definitive, definitive proof. So at the moment, I'm, I'm trusting that, that the information is correct. And if the, if the moon or the sun does a, A circle around you in Antarctica, all that does is just disprove the AE map, which is, which is a map that was handed us from who? From Eric Dubay. And, and Eric Dubay, I don't think is saying this is exactly the way the world looks. For sure. 100. Right. I think he's just. They're just giving us a model that, that works, you know, where the continents are placed right. And then. So to me, that doesn't prove the Bible or biblical cosmology wrong in any way because the Bible never claims anything about Antarctica, first of all. And the Bible does claim, though, that the, that the sun does a circuit like A strong man that runs a race. Right. So when you run a race, you can actually do a circle where you start at one point and then you end at the other. Right. This is in Psalms 19:1 6. That's where it says that the heavens declare the glory of God. The firm showeth his handiwork. You know, that's, that's what's on Warner bronze tombstone. If you continue reading, it says that the, that the sun. You know, I could probably go to that verse. I don't want to butcher it at all. So let's, let's go to that real quick because it's important. Okay, so Psalms 19:1. I went to Psalms 20. My bad. Psalms 19:1. So it says the heavens declare the glory of God. The heavens being where the moon center, the stars are located, and then where God's throne is located. And the firmament shows his handiwork, which I believe is in between where God's throne is and the heavens. Right. So, and handiwork actually, if you look at that word, it actually means God's achievement. So the, the firmament is something that God created on day two. It took him a whole entire day to create. And it, it. It is showing his handiwork, which means he built. Seems like it's structured, not something he spread out and made like, you know, vast. But the firmament, I believe, is, is a solid dome. Okay. It says, day unto day utter speech and night reveals knowledge. There's no speech nor language where their voice is not heard. Their line has gone out through all the earth and their words to the end of the world. In them he has set a tabernacle for the sun. Look up what that word, tabernacle means. Tabernacle means God's tent or Jehovah's tent. Okay, so that's more tent language. Right. So then he says, which is like a bridegroom coming out of his chamber and rejoices like a strong man to run its race. Its rising is from one end of the earth and, and its circuit to the other end. And there is nothing hid from the heat. Okay, so it's saying that, that it's like a strong man to run a race. Now, a track can be either a perfect circle or a track can be however God wants to make it. So whatever the sun is doing in the sky, I'm not really sure exactly how that works, obviously. And I know that some people believe that they have the sun tracked and they know exactly what's going on. So I would say with the final experiment and biblical Cosmology at the moment, the Bible never claims anything about Antarctica or North Pole, anything like that. So it's not disproving biblical cosmology. But I would say that the, the actual AE map that they pushed in flat Earth, that was given to us by Eric Dubay and by all these guys, I would say that that map is proven wrong. If the final experiment is 100 true, it has to be wrong because you cannot have a, a person in Antarctica, the sun circling them, and then also it giving light to Australia and South Africa and all these other right. Continents. So that's what I would say. But there is people like Joe Hanby and other people that are trying to come up with models that have a firmament where the sun would do that. But I will admit, I would admit it, that I do believe that it does prove the, the AE map wrong. And if you had three hats, one hat saying that it's flat, one hat saying globe and flat, and then another hat saying that it's globe, I think that that is a, an evidence that you can drop in the globe hat for now. But when it comes to the physical Earth, I do believe that there's a, there's a lot of evidence in that flat map or the flat hat. I'm sorry for when you, when you're, when you're measuring the physical Earth. But all we could do as human beings, because we're, we're. We're on the Earth trying to see what's going on in the heavens and see what's going on. And we're not NASA where, where we should supposedly go and look at the Earth. All we could do is just test the physical Earth. And I think that when you talk about the celestial, which is like the skies, I think some of, some of it can point to maybe us being a globe or something rather than flat. But when it comes to the ground, it seems like more towards flat. You know, if that makes sense. That's how I would explain that topic. Final experiment.

[David Lee Corbo]

So when it comes to the final experiment, it's a weird thing because a lot of people got very reactive. And on Twitter, a lot of people very reactive, really identified with the flat Earth movement. It kind of became like some people's, you know, entire thing, and then you have this big moment, you're waiting for it. This is where we're gonna get it proven right. They. They end up saying, oh, doesn't look like it's the case. And then what happens is everybody kind of jumps to this conclusion that this person is a fed. Or this person's a shill, or they're spreading disinformation. It's just strange to me because.

[Josh Monday]

Crazy, bro.

[David Lee Corbo]

We get this a lot too, you know, within the, the, the Christian community, you know, because there's a deviation in ideology or interpretation or whatever the case may be. And I don't know why it's. Especially when it comes to flat earth, if this is true, then we have been lied to on a tremendous scale. So we are fighting a crazy uphill battle, right? So what you're doing is you're looking at people who are trying to figure out the mysteries of the universe. And then when they get something wrong, you're going, you're a planted shill. You're an agent of disinformation and you're here to sow chaos. You're here to split us up and you're here to co op this movement. And it's like, dude, we. This is hard to figure out.

[Josh Monday]

It's a huge jump too.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's a huge jump, dude. Like they do that.

[Josh Monday]

They're like shill or anything like that. No, like it's, it's like saying. It's like telling somebody you are a complete liar about everything in your life. Dude, people. I mean, that's, that's, that's why I don't.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's like, I'm not a liar. I'm an idiot. I was wrong about something. I don't know if you've paid attention, but they're doing a really good job of hiding stuff from us. That's why we're here.

[Josh Monday]

Dream people that do that though, bro. Like, like you, you probably would know. Like someone. One time I, I talked to, I said one thing on my show and then this guy hit me up in the, in in my DM and said, you're a shield for saying that and blah, blah, blah, blah. And then I talked to him. Like, if you talk to me as a person like, like, you're not going to think I'm a shoe. But when I, when I talked to him, finally, he was like, okay, you're not a shield now. So I'm like, I'm like, bro, I.

[David Lee Corbo]

Never was a shilling.

[Josh Monday]

No. Yeah, well, I'm just like, dude, just saying one comment. You're gonna call some of that. So anyways, it happens in our community and, and people can believe what they want, but there are some extreme people that will just immediately jump to that. You know, that, that theory that someone's a shield. But.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, that's interesting. I had to look it up. Because I thought shill meant that you were getting paid, so an accomplishment.

[Josh Monday]

Paid by the government to like, kind of like paid by like the CIA to create inspiration in, in the community. Right. And, and I'm. My podcast, bro. I literally have like 5,400 subscribers. I see you guys have like 7,000. And, and I'm, and I put out information and I probably get like 300 views sometimes. If I have Gary Wayne or someone big on, I'll get a lot of views, but not like 20, 40,000. So it's like, it's so funny for someone to say that, you know, that.

[David Lee Corbo]

Any type of language, it's constant. I don't understand it just because, like I said, it's a difficult thing that we're doing here. But these people will. I don't. You have allies. For the first time in history, you're not blanketly dismissed as an idiot when you start talking about these concepts. You have a community where you can go and explore these ideas and exchange information, and instead you're just turning the gun on one another. And it just seems so counterproductive and so stupid for people that are.

[Josh Monday]

Loves it, bro.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. These are people that are supposed to be critical thinkers. Right.

[Top Lobster]

I just want my moon map back. So I don't care.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's, that's what I wanted to ask you. So I wanted to say that first, and then I wanted to say, Josh, do you know about the moon map?

[Josh Monday]

I've heard Dave Weiss reference the moon map, and I've heard Joe Hanby talk about the moon map. Do I believe it? I, I don't know. I, I, I haven't. What I do is I just take what the Bible says and then I just, I just go from there. And I'm not saying that the Bible is going to tell you every intricate detail about science or anything like that, but what I do is I just kind of take whatever the Bible says and I just, I stick with that until I, I haven't seen anything that proves it wrong. But what I'll say is we'll continue with the, with the sun and the moon moving real quick, and then we'll, we'll get into, you know, the firmament aspect of it. So we have the sun, okay, So I talked about Joshua, right? I talked about the moon and the sun stopping in two geographic locations. God will never do it again. We have two witnesses. We have Habakkuk 3:11 also talking about the sun and moon stood still in their habitation at the light of thine arrows. They went and the shining of their glittering spears. So that's actually Habakkuk talking about that exact event in Joshua. Right? And then in Isaiah, we also have the. The moon. It's talking about the. The sun moving backward on the sundial. It says, and this is a sign to you from the Lord that the Lord will do this thing which he has spoken. Behold, I will bring the shadow on the sundial. And which has gone down. When you look at gone down, it actually means to go away from. Okay? It says with the sun on the sundial of. Has 10 degrees backwards. So the sun returned 10 degrees on the dial, which it had gone down or gone away. So in Isaiah, it's talking about the. The sun actually going backwards. He's talking to a king, and the king is saying, hey, I don't want the sun to go forward, the shadow to go forward. I want it to actually go backward. That's a bigger miracle. And God said, no problem, he made the sun dial go backwards. It says here in Isaiah, right? So, so Ecclesiastes 1:5, it says the sun also rises. The sun goes down and hastens to the place where it arose. If you look at that goes down, it's zaraka. It means actually to. To. To go away. And then. And then when it talks about the sun rising its bow, it's to. To come forth, right? To come forth and go away. Right? So that's.

[David Lee Corbo]

That.

[Josh Monday]

That does match up with more with the biblical cosmology model. Okay, so we already talked about in Genesis where the moon is a light, the sun is a light. That is also, you can see that in 136, 7, 9. Also, Jesus actually in. In Mark says that the. This. The Mo. The he'll darken the sun. The moon will not give her light. Okay, you could find that in Isaiah 13:10 as well and Job 25:5 where it talks about the. The sun does not shine and the stars are not pure in his sight, so are. The moon does not shine. Okay, so a lot of places in the Bible, several places, you're going to find that the moon is a light, the sun is a light. Okay, so we kind of COVID that information. Now let's discuss the firmament. We already talked about rakia. What it was considered by Hebrews as solid supporting waters above. The word is rakia. And. And if you look in the Greek, the word is stereoma, which also means solid. Okay? So on the. In the Greek septuagint, which is 72 scholars translating the Bible from Hebrew to Greek, we have that word firmament being stereoma, which also means solid. So they, they kept that. And then when it goes into the King James, they call it a firmament, not a softament, not a gasament, not a expansiment. It's called a firmament for a reason, because they still believed it was solid. You know, now when you go into the niv, these newer watered down translations, you're going to see that the firmament becomes expanse. Expanse. What does that mean? Well, first, a lot of people, they're going to read that, go through Genesis and say expanse just means space, where the moon, sun of the stars are located. Right? It just means space. And it, what they do is they compromise for science. Right? And, and the more they learn about science, they're going to compromise different words. You're going to see it throughout the Bible. Little, little changes that happened. I just want to let you guys know that. So we have that. And then there is something called the Ken Hovind theory, which says the firmament was a solid piece of ice or ice canopy that was surrounding the earth when the flood happened and that it melted and caused the flood. The problem with that is, like I said, the moon, sun and the stars are in the firmament. So that means that, that that solid piece of ice would have to be outside of the galaxies. And if it melted, it wouldn't even affect the Earth. Right. So there would have to be two firmaments in that theory. So I don't believe that that would be true. But it's something that a lot of pastors will teach because they, they're not studying certain parts of the, of what the firmament actually is. Okay, so we have that. We Talked about Psalms 19:1 being on Warner von Braun's tombstone. Warner von Braun was a Nazi scientist brought over from, from Operation Paperclip. And he actually, at the age of 66, which is crazy, they say that he converted to Christianity. So right before he died, they say he converted and then he gave us that breadcrumb of the heavens, declare the glory of God. And the firmament showeth his handiwork, which I think is vastly important. He created the Saturn 5. Saturn is being what? Saturn is what? Saturn is a God, Roman God. You have the Apollo. You have everything in NASA being all these different gods. Artemis, Apollo.

[David Lee Corbo]

You have what was the one where they launched the, the, the rocket? It was like a year or so ago. And they named it not a polyon. I forgot what they named it, but it was named after like some sort of a, a serpent Like a dragon entity. Apophis. Apophis, yeah, they. They do that a lot. It is fascinating that this guy, he. He's a Nazi scientist. He gets picked up during Operation Paperclip. He builds our space institutions. And it seems like what he's doing is he's dumping. If you look at the. The future of those space institutions now, all of his research into trying to understand what this thing is that's got us, you know, encapsulated within it and how to launch at it. And. And he's, you know, so he dedicates all this time to, like, you know, understanding and figuring out how to get out of the firmament, right, which is Tower of Babel. And. And then by the end of it, he goes, yeah, I think I messed up. I think I'm Christian now, and I got to. I got to do something to remedy a lifetime of trying to ding God's firmament. And so his. His kind of Hail Mary is this, this passage on his. On his gravestone.

[Josh Monday]

Yeah. Leaving us the breadcrumb. Because if you continue reading, it talks about the sun, right? Having a tabernacle, which is a tent, and it's, you know, the sun is moving over the earth. Nothing can. Nothing can. Can escape from the heat. So they're like, nothing. What do you mean, nothing? I thought the sun was just one sun, and then every star is the sun with. With planets orbiting them. I thought there's 200 billion suns out there. That's. That's kind of what the, the scientists would say, you know. So it's. It's very interesting that he left that, because if you continue reading it, like I said, it talks about the sun doing a circuit in the heaven. You know, so very interesting. And then also, like if you go to job 37:18, it says, hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is under the firmament. That's where the moons and the stars are located as a molten looking glass. Right? So it's saying, which is strong as a molten looking glass. So that's actually talking about what the firmament would be. It's like a molten looking glass, Right? We have that. And then another thing we have is Isaiah 14, 14th, 13, 15. This says, for you will have in your heart, I will ascend into heaven. I will exalt my throne above the stars of God. I will also sit on the mount of congregation on the farther sides of the north. I will ascend above the heights of the clouds. I will be like the most High. Yet you shall be brought down to shield to the lowest depths of the pit. That verse is actually talking about either Lucifer or talking about the Babylonian king. People have two different. Nimrod. Two different versions of that. But the very interesting part, it says, I will also sit on the mountain Congregation farther sides of the north. I will ascend above the heights of the clouds. I will be like the most high. So what it's saying there is I will ascend into heaven. I will exalt my throne above the stars of God. What it's telling you is that God's throne is above the stars. Okay. Which I believe is above the firmament. We have another verse, Amos 9, 6. It says, the one who builds his upper chambers in the heavens and has found his vaulted dome over the earth, and he who calls for the waters of the sea and pours them out on the face of the earth, the Lord is his name. That word vaulted dome, if you look in. In the. It actually means binding, like binding heaven to the earth, Right? So that's what I believe the firm moon is. It's binding heaven to the earth. And that's the NASB 2020 version. If you look at that word vaulted dome in the. The King James is actually going to be. It's going to be troops. So it's like that troop. That word troops means binding. It's very interesting. God's tabernacle meeting place, heaven and earth is shaped like a dome, I believe. Let's continue another verse. We have Isaiah 40, 21, 22, which is something that people go to to point out that it's a globe or a sphere. Let's read that real quick and break it down. It says, have you not known? Have you not heard? Has it not been told you from the beginning? Have you not understood from the foundations of the earth? It is he speaking of the Most High, who sits above the circle of the earth. And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers who stretches out the heavens like a curtain and spreads them out like a tent to dwell in. So first of all, we have talking about God sitting above the circle of the earth. If you have a circle and a firmament and God's throne being above it. And I'm looking down through the firmament at us, we look like grasshoppers. He spreads out the heavens, the heaven being where the moon, sun and the stars are located, right? And he says, stretches out the heavens like a curtain and spreads them out like a tent to dwell in. The tent being like a tabernacle. Just like he talks about in Psalms 19, the tent being like the firmament, okay? So in the heliocentric model, you would have the, the. The. The globe, right? Then you would have the sun and the Earth orbiting the sun, and then you would have the moon, son of the stars, being in this vast universe. Then you would have a firmament outside of that. All right? And then God would be ever expanding. So God would be moving further and further and further away from us in that model. But in the model I'm talking about, where God's throne is above the firmament, he's looking down on us like grasshoppers, and he. He is above the circle of the earth. It makes sense. In the heliocentric model, God would have to be chased, going 66, 600 miles an hour, chasing the sun at 440,000 miles an hour, sitting above the circle of the Earth. Does that make sense to you guys in any way at all?

[David Lee Corbo]

It seems like a pain in the ass if you're trying to sit on something, right?

[Josh Monday]

All right, so we have that. And then he stretches out the firmament like a curtain, spreads on like a tent to dwell on. I kind of talked about that. And then also, if you look at Isaiah 66:1, it says, Thus says the Lord, heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool. Okay, so where is the house that you build me, and where is the place of my rest? So Isaiah 66:1 matches with Isaiah 40:22, where he says that he is sitting above the circle of the earth. Isaiah 66:1 says that the earth is his footstool. Heaven is my throne, earth is my footstool. And then if you go to Isaiah 22:18, it says, he will surely violently turn and toss thee like a ball into a large country. So Isaiah obviously knows the difference between a circle and. And a ball. You could tell because he says ball in this verse and circle in the other. And that word, a circle is used in most of the translations. You'll find maybe a few that would say sphere right there. But that word, sphere, though, it's, it's.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's.

[Josh Monday]

There's no word for sphere in. In. In Hebrew, all there is is a word for ball, and he doesn't use the same word. Okay. So they're compromising for science once again with newer, newer translations. Okay. And even in the niv, it's still going to use circle because they want to stay true to the Hebrew.

[David Lee Corbo]

There are a lot of people on, especially X right now. One of the narrative that's becoming very popular, and I think it's because they Found some evidence on the ceiling of the Capitol Building. Is it the Capitol building where they have that, like, effigy of. Or not effigy, but a painting of.

[Josh Monday]

Of George Washington.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. And he's kind of, like, deified. Right. He's doing the as above.

[Josh Monday]

So sitting on a throne. He's sitting on a throne with 22 stars below him.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Josh Monday]

And if you look at what the Bible says. Yeah. And the Bible actually talks about stars being what? Well, let's. Let's break it down. It says that stars are angels. Okay. Not saying that every single angel that's ever been created is a star. What I'm saying is that. That stars are a sect of angels. Okay. There's a physical world that we live in, and then there's a spiritual world that we live in. Okay. So people need to understand that. Why would I say that stars are angels? Well, if you go to Revelation 12, verse 4, and it talks about Satan bringing down a third of stars, he doesn't say a third of angels. It says a third of stars. Why would it say that? And. And what is Revelation? It's a. It's a revelation. From whom? Revelation? From Jesus. Right. Jesus Christ, which I believe is God. Right. So he says stars there. If you go to Revelation, it also says that all the stars are going to fall to the earth. Right. They're going to be shaken like a fig tree and they're going to fall to the Earth. If you have a firmament connected to the Earth with the moon, sun, the stars in the firmament, and all the stars fall to the Earth, there's no issue with that. Right. If you have a heliocentric model where this is the. The globe and all the stars are bigger than the sun and you have all of them fall to the Earth, we have a bigger problem than the Antichrist if that happens. Right. So we're all worried about the mark of the beast. What about that? Okay.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. You know, Josh, inside that. That theory that's been popularized by. So on that. On that painting, you know, there's this big open space above George Washington's head, and you can kind of discern. It's, like, a little bit hard to see, but you can. If you change the contrast or something on the photo, that there seems to be almost like a map that's. That's very lightly painted onto this surface. And that map matches with another one that's like a flat earth map. And it, and it shows the North Pole as being the center. And, and, and I don't know exactly what it is that these people have, whatever conclusion they've come to, but they've been saying that Jesus is, I, I, I think that what they're saying is above the North Pole. But if it was flat and the north pole was in the center, and then, and then God would be seated at the top of the firmament in the center. Right. That almost kind of makes sense. Is there anything in your research that's ever kind of pointed you in that direction?

[Josh Monday]

Okay, look. Isaiah 14, 13, 15. I read it a little bit ago. So it says for this is, this is either, like I said, this is either Satan that he's talking about or this is Nimrod. Okay. There's two different versions of that people believe, but check this out. It says, for you have said in your heart, I will ascend into heaven. I will exalt my throne above the stars of God. So what he's saying is that he's gonna, he wants to ascend into heaven and obviously be above the stars, which is where God's throne is located. I will also sit on the mount of congregation on the farthest sides of the north. Okay. I will ascend above the heights of the clouds. I will be like the most high. Yet you shall be brought down to shield to the lowest depths of the pit. Okay, that's a very, very famous verse that talks about people believe that Satan or believe it's it's Nimrod. But first of all, what is that? I will sit on the farthest sides of the north. So if you have the flat earth and you have the north star right above the, the North Pole, and you have God sitting at the highest point of the firmament, which would be in the center, then God's throne could very well be in the farthest sides of the north. That's probably why you have the aurora lights and things happening like that. Now people would argue and say, well, there's aurora lights in, in the south as well. Well, the aurora lights are, are the color of like sapphire, which in the Bible it describes a lot of, of God. If you look at God's throne, you're seeing a sapphire stone. Right. So I just want to throw that out there. But yeah, that is something that could be true. And I think that Satan's little season, a lot of people are trying to say that Jesus is in the North Pole and that's it.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, yeah. It's connected to like the little seasons. Okay, yeah.

[Josh Monday]

So yeah, yeah, yeah. So there's different theories on that eschatology wise. If you guys study eschatology in any way. And if you're honest with yourself, then I would say that some people believe they have eschatology broken down to a timeline and to a T and they know everything. What I would say about eschatology is study all of it and make sure that you're not just, you know, if someone could give you chapter and verse with every single thing that they're saying, then I agree. But sometimes some people have chapter and verse, and then sometimes people have like a little gap in between there that they're adding and then they have chapter and verse, chapter and verse. You know what I mean? So it just is something right now that I'm still trying to figure out. I don't have figured out yet.

[David Lee Corbo]

I'm almost positive studying, I'm almost positive that I'm misinterpreting this, but John 2, 5, 6 says Jesus is true north, which is a fascinating language to you. I'm. Like I said, I'm sure I'm misinterpreting that, but it just, it strikes me as, as fascinating given the, the context of the conversation we're having.

[Josh Monday]

Yes, it is fascinating. And, and that, that, that the stars being angels, if you go to Isaiah, it talks about, instead of the stars falling to the earth, it talks about the host of heaven falling to the earth, which lines up with revelation. So host of heaven are army of what? Army of angels. Right. So that's very interesting. If you go to, you know, Isaiah or Ephesians 6:12, it talks about the host of heaven being in heavenly places. You know, you know what, let me go to that verse. So I don't butcher that as well. I like to actually read from the Bible so that I don't, you know, we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but principalities of evil. Right? That's, that's the way it starts. Ephesians 6:12. And then, uh, so it says, for we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of darkness of this age, against spiritual host of wickedness in heavenly places. If you go to the book of Daniel, when, when he's praying, he's doing a 21 day fast. He's, he's praying to an angel. And it takes 21 days for his prayer to be answered. He's fasting, right? So he's like waiting for the angel to come and answer him. And the angel comes and tells Daniel, I tried to come here sooner, but, but on the way from, you know, between earth and heaven, he was fighting a battle against the Prince of Persia, which I believe is a. Obviously an evil angel trying to prevent him from getting to Daniel. And he said I had to call on Michael the Archangel to help me so that way I could come back to you. So between heaven and earth is where the heavenly battles are happening. That's where the fallen angels and angels are having wars. Right. That we're not able to see, but are happening. Right. So I just want to let you guys know that. And that's why it says that there's principalities and powers against the rules of darkness in spiritual host, in wickedness, of wickedness in heavenly places. Heavenly means where the moon, sun and the stars are located, right? Because if. If there was wars happening in heavenly places like God's throne, that that's not happening. There's no wars happening around God, only between heaven and earth is where things are explained. So I. I just think people need to realize that it's very important, and then I'll continue. So with the firmament aspect, we have Ezekiel 10:1, it says, then I looked, and behold, in the firmament was above the head of the cherry booms, there appeared over them as a sapphire stone, which I talked about earlier as the appearance and likeness of a throne. Okay, so Ezekiel is a prophet, okay? In. In Numbers 12, verses 4 through 8, it says that God spoke to Moses face to face and mouth to mouth. He says before that, he says, I come to prophets and visions and in dreams, but when I speak to Moses, I speak to him face to face and mouth to mouth. So any vision or dream or anything that comes from the prophets is also coming from God. God has given Ezekiel a vision and a vision of heaven, right? That's why he's seeing this. Ezekiel126, I talked about earlier. And the. And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne as appearance of a sapphire stone. And upon the likeness of the throne was likeness appearance of a man above, upon it. So Ezekiel is talking about looking through the firmament and seeing what looked like a man on the throne. Okay, so that, that's telling me that above the firmament is God's throne, right? So we have that. And Revelation 4, 6 gives us a glimpse into heaven. It says, and therefore the throne was a sea of glass like crystal, and in the midst of the throne found four beasts of eyes. Before him it's saying, there's a throne, and below the firmament is a sea of glass like a crystal, or below his throne. And then also in Revelation, you hear waters in heaven, you also hear thundering sounds. So there's water in heaven. Now, what's below God's throne? Well, there's water below God's throne. And what's below the water? The firmament. That's what is described when it says that water separates the water from water. The firm. It separates the water from the water. Right.

[David Lee Corbo]

Sorry to interrupt, but please, when you.

[Josh Monday]

Yeah, because I'm probably going crazy.

[David Lee Corbo]

No, no, no. But you know, this, this idea of waters above is something that comes up a lot, and there's a much larger conversation about aether. Right, the aether, and that this is some sort of state that's in between liquid and a gas. And, you know, we've become very comfortable in this UAP discussion about like plasma and plasmoids and things like that, but plasma itself being this fourth state of matter. Right. Solid, liquid, gas, and then plasma. It's something that isn't taught in schools, but does seem to be recognized by the scientific community. Do you think that. And obviously this is speculation. Josh, I know you've never been outside the firmament. Nobody's been outside the firmament. But do we. Do you think that that's what we're dealing with outside of that? So waters above, meaning something that is. Is like water? It does seem that plasma behaves in some ways like water. Do you think that's what we're dealing with?

[Josh Monday]

We could be, or like I said, some people say like a super fluid, which is like a water that could stay up in the sky, but not like water, that's like liquid, but a different kind of state of water. There's different theories out there. Right. So I'm not really sure. I know that the ether was talked about in the science community, and I know that the Mickelson Morley experiment was trying to test for, you know, the. The movement of the Earth right through the ether. And I believe that there was just a fringe of like very minute, not the 18.5 seconds or 18.5 miles per second that they were looking for. They just got a little slight fringe. And what people believe that that fringe was that are in our community or the geocentric community would be that was just the. The ether moving or the sky moving, not the Earth. Right. So you're not getting like a. They're not getting what they wanted. So what happened is Albert Einstein had to come out, talk about it's not, you know, it's not the gravity, it's these. The theory of relativity that he came out with and all that stuff to kind of patch up the Mickelson Morley experiment. So there's a lot to it. I, I, I am not the guy to talk to about ether or to talk to about that type of information. I think wits, it would be very good to get on your show to talk about that. He's better at the ether and that type of conversation. He like, he's better at pointing out the, the scientific aspects of the flat earth and the scientific things that that have been. He exposes kind of what scientists have done experimental wise. That proves more of a flat earth. Me, I'm more about bringing what the Bible says. And then there's a few things I could talk about scientifically, you know, that we can actually observe. Right. That is actually proven and not just theoretical, if that makes sense.

[David Lee Corbo]

There, there's the other aspect of, of it because it's, you know, the waters above and we're speculating as to whether or not that's ether or something like that. But the waters below is an interesting conversation because you might just dismiss that as like oceans and rivers. Right. But now all of a sudden we're discovering. We knew there was groundwater. Right. We've always had a handle on that. But there's this other part of the discussion. I actually have to talk to somebody. One of the followers of the show shout out to Matthew Lane was trying to put somebody on our radar. We just got so busy, got lost in the mix up. But it's a lady who lives out here in Florida who on her property they discovered primary waters. And, and so the idea of primary waters is like gigantic subterranean reservoirs essentially of fresh water, I believe. And one thing leads to another. That guy who owned that property, he's now in prison, he's been jailed. And, and I think there's like this effort to try to gain access to his property one way or another. But it's just interesting because now if you truly are dealing with, excuse me, if you truly are dealing with untold amounts of, of water reserves beneath the surface of the earth, it just kind of changes the conversation a little bit, you know, and it feels like once again we're like really close to the scientific community discovering something that confirms.

[Josh Monday]

Bro.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, exactly.

[Josh Monday]

The great deep. Right, Exactly. Yeah. So, yeah, so that's, I think that that's definitely. Now we could kind of bring in the flood aspect of it. Right? So the flood, so the flood, there's, there's three separate events that happen in, in the flood, right. So the first event that happens is the fountains of the great deep were broken. So Water came from below. So if you have a firmament like a fishbowl, you know, and then you have flat land with mountains and. And topographical, obviously. Topograph. Right. So, okay, so you have the water, the fountains of the great dm broken. So you have water coming from below. So that would. That would lift up Moses's or not was, but Noah's ark. Right. So it lifted up and then it has the windows of heaven being open, which I believe were windows of the firmament being open, and water coming in and fil filling up the fishbowl. And then it also rained for 40 days and 40 nights. So you have three separate events that happened during the flood. How do I know that? Because when. When you go to when God stopped, He says that he. He stopped the. The. The. He said he stopped the fountains of the great deep or closed them. Right. And then it says that he. He stopped the. The. The. The firm or the, the windows of heaven. He said he stopped. What. If you look at that word, it means closed in the. In the Hebrew. So he closed the windows of heaven and then he said that it stopped raining. So there's three separate events there in the flood. Most pastors talk about, you know, 40 days and 40 nights is all that happened during the flood. But there's fountains of the great deep being broken. So water came from below, water came from above through the firmament. Right. And filled up the fishbowl because it had to fill up so much that it was 15 cubits above the highest mountain. So if you have a fishbowl or a firmament connecting to the earth and the water is filling up, it's. There's no problem with the flood being worldwide, which is what the Bible talks about. It says all. All. All several times. All. Like all the Earth. Right. And it's. The thing is people, all the animals and all life. You know what I mean?

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. They try to have this discussion about whether or not it was a localized flood, like a really bad flood on one continent. But Albarino have all these correlating flood mythos from all these different cultures that were separated by oceans and, and, you know, Miles and all this. And it's. Once again, I imagine there probably was a period of time where if you were trying to think of that level of a flood, logistically, you would go, there's simply no way to have that much water on the earth. Where would it come from? How would you even do it? And then as time goes on, science discovers primary waters. And then once again, science in all of Its hubris, you know, just confirms the Bible.

[Top Lobster]

Well, this was like, before. Before the flood, Were there any oceans? Because I don't know. I think we were talking with Ed. When God made the. Made the Earth, there weren't oceans, there were.

[Josh Monday]

Well, it says in day three that God created the seas, the dry land, the vegetation, and the seas. So the oceans were created. You just. Okay, so people. Okay, here's the thing. When people believe in the globe, they're going to do their very best. Now, Ed Maybry. I love Ed. Maybe I had him on my show. I'm not. I'm not saying right now. He's. He's still in the midst of studying. Right. So if. If we get a chance to talk, which we're gonna. We're gonna talk again. I could go over everything that I went over with you guys at some point with him. But what I'm saying is day three, it says that God created the dry land, the vegetation, and the seas, which are the oceans. So there was oceans. Now, there was no rain before the flood, and it used to just be a mist. The only rain that's. That. That the people ever saw was when it started raining for the flood. Okay. That's it. Okay. So that's why people were looking at Noah like he was crazy. Like, what are you talking about? It's gonna rain. We don't even know what rain is. So I don't. And also, Timothy Albarino is. He's. He believes in.

[Top Lobster]

Are you sure that that's what that word means, though? Like the sea? Ocean, yeah.

[Josh Monday]

Ocean, yeah. Well, I mean, what would you. What would you take as that word? Let's see. Let's look it up real quick.

[Top Lobster]

What is, like, this, the. The Sea of Galilee? You see how it's not. It's not quite a sea. This is a huge body of water. I live in, like, near Lake county, and they have a lot of stuff like this, but I wouldn't call it the sea. So that, like, I'm just wondering the. The verbiage behind that.

[Josh Monday]

Okay.

[David Lee Corbo]

I never stopped to think about sea.

[Josh Monday]

Versus let the water. Okay, so it says, let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear. And it was so. And God called the dry land Earth, and. And gathering together the waters called the seas. So let's click on seas and see what that means. Let's see.

[Top Lobster]

It's. It's like. It's not. I'm not even, like, disagreeing. I just, like, it's. I think it's Important to do this.

[Josh Monday]

Okay, so it says C. Mediterranean Sea, Red Sea, Dead Sea, Sea of Galilee. Sea. General, like C, general, which would be general, like, of what we would call the sea. Mighty river Nile, the sea, the Great Basin sea. Seaward, westward and upward. So. So that didn't help me at all.

[David Lee Corbo]

That was a crazy definition. Upward and leftward. What?

[Top Lobster]

You see the red.

[Josh Monday]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It said a sea would be like a large body of water, specifically the Mediterranean Sea, sometimes artificial basin. So are you saying that.

[Top Lobster]

Well, I'm saying the difference between a sea and the ocean. You see this? Like, that's the ocean. Like, what is this? And then this is a sea for sure.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Josh Monday]

Okay.

[David Lee Corbo]

I don't know. I never. I got to admit, never in my 34 years have I stopped to discern the difference between sea and ocean. I would have done 100%. Like, if you said, I'm sailing the seven seas, I'm like, this, dude.

[Josh Monday]

So another word would be like. And God said, let us make man in our image after our likeness, and let them have dominion over the fish and of the sea. So is he talking about the. Do we only have dominion over the fish of. Of. Of. In the Sea of Galilee, or do we have dominion over the fish in the whole entire Earth? Right. So what. How would you discern that? Right.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's a good point. I think that's a very solid point. Yeah.

[Josh Monday]

Genesis 9. 2. It says, and the fear of you and dread you shall be upon every beast of the earth. And upon the Foul of the air, upon the. Everything that moveth upon the earth. And upon all the fishes of the sea. Into your hand they gathered. Let's see the salty.

[Top Lobster]

More.

[Josh Monday]

More words for sea which is upon the. Okay, so in the blessing, I will bless thee. And multiplying I will apply thy seed as the stars of heaven and as the sand which is upon the seashore. And thy. Thy seed shall possess the gate of enemy. So he's. He's saying that all the sand on the ocean shore, not the Sea of Galilee. Right. So let's continue. Anytime they were. The word. The word C. I just want to make sure that we're looking to see if. If we could compare it to the ocean. So we have the Red Sea and Exodus. The Red Sea. The Red Sea. Let's continue. Let's see. Exodus. So, yeah, so there's a. I think that word C. There's no word for ocean. You know what I mean? So you'd have to look at C. You could say that it is the red Sea, which is a good point. Maybe the Sea of Galilee only. But can you, can you expound on where you, where you don't believe that the oceans were created in that. I don't. I want to know who said that or how you, how you get. Got that? Or like why we're even discussing. Because I think it's interesting.

[Top Lobster]

I'm trying to remember. I, I like we have so much information coming in. But I think in the end, after, after Jesus comes back, there's not supposed to be any ocean. Okay.

[Josh Monday]

So there's going to be a new heaven and a new earth. All right, so some people believe that there's a 15. 1500 mile by 1500 mile square mile that comes down through the firmament and ends up on the Earth. Or if you look at it says, creating a new heaven and a new earth where there's no, there's no sun anymore, no moon needed. Jesus is the light of the Earth, right? So we have that. So what, what I wanted to say is, is this. So you have water to begin with. And then it says that the dry land appeared. So the continents appeared through the water. So what I believe is happening there, you could either believe. So that's, that's kind of what's happening there in Genesis when it's talking about the. Let's. Let's find out what it says. It says, and God said, God made the firmament and, and divided the waters from the water which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament. And it was so. And God called the firmament heaven. And the heaven in the morning were the second day. And God said, let the waters under the heaven be gathered together in one place and let the dry land appear. And it was so. And God called the dry land earth. And the gathering together of the waters, he called the seas. So that's why I think it would be the ocean, because the, the dry land appeared, right? And that would be like the dry land coming from underneath, I believe, the oceans. And that's how it appeared. And he's saying that he, he gathered together the waters from the seas. I would have to do a deeper study on that. But I don't see any word in the Hebrew for ocean. I could find out. If there's. There is a word. If there is, then. Hey, then you might have a really good, really good point there. Which is. Which would.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, it's a fascinating point, though, Josh, to say, if we're given dominion over all of the fish in the sea, does that mean that we don't have dominion over the fish in the Atlantic and the Pacific because it's like.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, I mean, I don't know. We have, we have this UFO phenomenon of coming from the ocean. There's this idea, this like, weird, interesting, too brackish water that is highly salinity, highly salinated. And I don't know if you, if you think that perhaps these. That's why, like the idea that I'm kind of draw it, I'm trying to draw it here is you have these angels in the sky that are suspended in some type of a water or I guess they are above us, but are they also in, in like a prison below us? Within. Within the water, within the ocean.

[David Lee Corbo]

Tartarus is, is on the ocean floor.

[Top Lobster]

And, and the idea of salting something, you salt the earth when you don't want anything to grow there, you salt the ocean. Although, you know, some of the seas are heavily salted as well, but some of them aren't. So it's like the ocean is something very different than these lakes, seas, rivers that, you know, the people would have been sailing back then. It's, they're much smaller, the salinity is going to be much lower. Something's going on. Something's definitely going on with the oceans below in like these huge oceans and the ones above. I'm just trying to like parse that out. So I have no real argument. I'm just saying it's okay. Was. What is it?

[Josh Monday]

It's very interesting because so if you look in, in the Bible, in biblical cosmology also, you're going to have SHIELD being inside the earth. One side would be Abraham's bosom, the other side being paradise. Right. So you have that in Luke 16, you know, talked about that. If you look at what the Bible says about the underworld, it's always down. You're going down to the underworld. You know, on biblical cosmology, there's only one way up, which is like, let's say on this you have an up and you have a down. So when Jesus ascended to heaven, he went up to heaven. And when he ascended into the earth descended, it means he went down. Okay, so when he went into the earth, that's what it means. It says the lower parts of the earth. What does that mean? Well, SHIELD is inside the earth. Below SHIELD would be Tartarus, which is where the fallen angels that had sex with women in Genesis 6, four would be locked away. And they are in time, space and time. The reason why I tell you that is how is It a punishment. If they're outside of space and time, what they are, they are locked in Tartarus, in the earth, locked in chains, physically locked, because what did they do? They shed their Okatarian to come to the earth. Okatarian means their heavenly body. You find this in the Book of Jude. The angels shed their Okatarian, or the year abode Okatarian in the Greek heavenly bodies, to come to the earth to have sex with women, which means they shed their heavenly bodies to come and do this. So now they are locked in the earth. Are they locked in the earth as angels, or they locked in the earth as their. Their. Their heaven are their earthly bodies, which is what they did to be able to have sex with these women. Now, if you look at Hebrews 13. Two, it also says that you never know when you're entertaining a stranger. Entertaining an angel. Entertain strangers. You might be entertaining an angel unaware. And also, if you look in Sodom and Gomorrah, the angels came. They're walking, they're able to grab Lot, they're able to eat with lot. They're able to have a conversation with lot. They're able to speak to him. People look at them as if they are people, attractive men and. But they. They are in men's bodies. That's what happens when angels come to the earth. They are in human form. Okay, so it's very interesting. But yeah, there it says in the Book of Jude and in also Second Peter that they are locked in the earth, right? Not locked in another dimension. Not locked in black holes. It says that they're locked in the earth. And then Shield, and you know, the Hebrews believe that shield was down in the earth. So that's why you have people like Timothy Albarino and people that believe in the globe telling you probably that where is hell located? This is what I do with people that believe in the globe. Not saying that it's bad, like. Like they're evil. No, all I'm saying is, okay, so where is hell located? And they'll tell you, well, hell is located in another dimension. Okay, give me the Hebrew word for dimension. There is no Hebrew word for dimension. Okay, cool. Well, where is hell located? Biblically, it's always located down it. Down in the underworld, the lower parts of the Earth Shield. What is. Where does the Hebrews believe. The Hebrews believe that it was down, just like when Samuel came up from S.H.I.E.L.D. and when, uh, when, uh, Saul was trying to, uh, go to a median and bring Samuel up. It doesn't say that Samuel came From uh, outer space. It says he came up from down in the earth because where was he located? He was located in Abraham's bosom, which is talked about. It was paradise. And then what's between it a great cavern and what's on the other side? Shield where, where the rich man was saying that there was fire and that he was looking for one drop of water on his tongue, but he's able to see Father Abraham and speak to him where he has all five senses that shield okay, so I just think that I take the Bible literal. I read it word for word. I don't add to the word of God like Proverbs 30, verse 5 says I take it literal. And I, and I take it as serious and I take it as, as the literal word of God. That's why it says all scriptures inspired by God. That's the way I take it. And I, and I, and I read it in a way where I, I take all my preconceived biases that I've ever learned in school or from anything from man and I place them to the side and I, and when I read the Bible, I read it from a perspective of, okay, this is God speaking to me, right? And what is God saying? And when I break all this stuff down, God is not telling me that we're, we're in a space vacuum going 66, 600 miles an hour around the sun, going 440, 000 miles an hour, chasing the sun and us spinning a thousand miles an hour. He says the earth is fixed and immovable. What's moving? The sun and the moon. And, and who controls that? Well, God controls that. Who controls the weather? And several parts of the Bible, it says that God controls the weather. I'm going to stop it from raining because you disobeyed my Sabbath. I'm going to stop this. Jesus, what does he do? He controls the weather. When he's on there's the seas are getting crazy, the weather's going crazy. Jesus stops the storm, which is the same thing that God can do. So that's like claiming to be God without actually saying that he is God. Right?

[Top Lobster]

So where are you, where are you at on like portals? Because I don't know if there's like undeniable proof of it, but I know that there are people that are after this sort of technology and they're doing it like, you know, CERN is a good example. They're doing something and, and to the best of my knowledge, this is very like terrestrial flat, but they're Building a thing which seems like it can take you. I don't even have correct words for it, up or most likely down in like a. This lower dimension, but they're doing it right here flat. You know what I'm saying?

[Josh Monday]

Yeah. Okay. So if you look at Elijah, right? Elijah in the Bible, he's the one. He got took an up to heaven, right? He, he didn't, he didn't die. Okay. Elijah is, is with Elisha, which is his counterpart. And Alicia is like, dude, there's, there's. There's like a whole army right there. How are we going to go against this army? And Elijah says, lord, unleash the veil. So Alicia can see, takes the veil away and up on the mountains, dude, there's a bunch of angels with chariots over th. That. That army. So Elijah says, now do you see that what's happening in the spiritual? So yes, of course there's. Before they were able to speak to angels, you know, before the Old Testament, but God, he took that away as soon as Genesis 6 happened. He took that away. Now sometimes angels did visit people after that, but they're not able to kind of have these conversations with angels and talk to them like, like I think it was before. So yes, there's a spiritual, but we're not able to see that. There's a veil that has to be lifted for us to be able to see that. So there is. So if you want to call that another dimension. But the demons don't have to travel. The, the demons don't have to travel through a portal to be tempting you and to be doing. They're around you and they're here and right now they're probably trying to make it. So I don't say something and you don't say something to, to give glory to God. But, but we have the Holy Spirit helping us to do that. So there's. The angels are here as well, right? The angels are here. That people say guardian angels. I believe the angels are here. And I believe when you pray to an angel, he's a messenger and he goes and delivers the message to God. And that's what is talked about in Daniel. So I think there is angels around us, right? And, and there's demons as well. And Satan is also like a roaring lion ready to pounce. He doesn't need to travel through a portal to come and see you. Because even in Job 1:6, when God is, when he's presenting himself for God, he says, where have you been? He says, I've been to and fro in the earth and on the Earth. He's speaking to people, Right. And are trying to tempt people. Right.

[David Lee Corbo]

So that's interesting, Josh, because a lot of what we. So, you know, we have this upcoming event, Bohemian Grove. We. We jokingly named it Two Days One Portal, because it's funny. But this idea of, like, portals. Portals. Portals comes up a lot. And the way you just described it there, where it's like. If you want to call that another dimension, maybe that's fine. But this. The idea that there is a veil and we cannot perceive the spiritual realm, but it is happening all around us, is something that I also say. So it's like, if it's happening all around us and you can't perceive it, do you necessarily need to punch a dimensional gateway into it? Or is that some shit that we've been getting from Marvel, from Sci Fi? This. This concept of portals has penetrated the. The cultural conversation so much that you can't really watch a movie now without getting your multiverse, without getting your alternate dimensions. But if you look at what's happening, you know, these. These UFOs, these UAPs, which I do think are directly connected to this fallen angel, spiritual warfare. This. If it is a form of technology, I think we were commissioned to build it. These things inspired us and. And maybe whispered to us one thing or another. But where are they coming from? They're coming from the oceans. And it's like we gotta then jump and say there's portals in the ocean. But you don't really need to do that because you can go into the ocean and find subterranean caverns that open up and are no. And are not, you know, filled with water. You can come out of a submersible and enter a cavern underneath the ocean that's completely dry. And. And if you combine that with maybe, like, Whitley. Not Whitley Striber. Phil Schneider's story, which I know it's not biblical, but it's just interesting because I think it does kind of bolster that. He's talking about being contracted by the government to build. To build deep underground military bases. And what he discovered down there were malicious entities that essentially gutted him like a fish. And the guy ended up, you know, dying after I don't even know how many unsuccessful murder attempts they kept trying to kill this guy. He had missing fingers. His. His abdominal was just riddled with scar tissue because he was, you know, gutted by one of these things. Now, you don't have to believe Phil Schneider, but what I'm saying is there was no portal. He he went down into the earth far enough for, for building purposes, you know, because you have to dig quite deep for these deep underground military bases. Somebody is contracted to make them. Right. They are a real thing. This guy was one of them. And, and so for him to have gone, there was no portal, there was no dimensional slip. This was, you went into the earth and eventually among these caverns you found something that was non human and, and not happy. Now I'm not saying that those things are even real, but what I am saying is that I recognize the dimensional portal thing is a, and, and sometimes there is truth within these things, but we get it predominantly from sci fi, we get it predominantly from, from science fiction and from, from Hollywood, you know, in general. So that, that is an interesting thing.

[Josh Monday]

And we should be happy that we can't see the spiritual realm because you, because you can you imagine seeing, whenever people see angels in the Bible, they are terrified. So imagine if you could see demons and angels. Now what happens is when you take hallucinogenic psychedelics, dmt, you are, you are now, you are opening yourself up to, to be able to see the spiritual world. In some ways not saying that all of it is true what the people are seeing, but sometimes people are seeing clowns, which some people say Nephilim look like they're seeing all these different things. And, and you're basically saying, holy Spirit, let me put you to the side. I want to go into the spirit world and enjoy. And enjoy that. Yeah, and you're seeing stuff like that. So I just believe that the demons and the angels, they're here, right? And the devil's here. We, and we just aren't able to, to see them. But the demons are looking for a vessel to inhabit. And when you invite them in, they come. As long as you're, you know, if you're saved, obviously that's not happening. You're getting oppressed but not possessed. But that's. So they're here. We don't.

[David Lee Corbo]

I know this is wildly, I know this is wildly speculative and, and you know, but that's mostly what I do on this show. But I can't help but wonder like if you ever were exposed to the very cliche version of a portal. You know, some, some oblong oval shaped window opens up. It's got, you know, all kinds of lightning or whatever around the edges and clearly, perceivably, through the center of it is a different place altogether. You know, your, your brain, because we're hardwired to think that way because we've been Kind of programmed to think that way. Propaganda and such would say this window that I'm looking through has bridged a gap between incredibly long distances. But I wonder if it would be more accurate if that sort of thing did exist and you did see that. Just to say this is not a bridging of a gap between distances. This is a, a lens through which you can see what is actually immediately around you, but you cannot perceive it at any other moment. So it's not that it's bridging two distant galaxies as much as it's showing you maybe like a light spectrum that you don't have the ability to perceive, you know, because I do imagine that if everything does exist as light and frequency and energy, and we obviously are limited in our ability to see the, the color spectrum, there's, there's a ton on it that we're unaware of. We don't have the, the, the cones and rods in our eyes that make it capable to see that sort of thing. Then there's much happening around us that is unperceivable by us. And if, if everything is light and energy and vibration, then there is much light and energy and vibration that we do not see. And if these things exist in that, then I don't see the need in order. In other words, what I'm saying is I don't see the need to have to traverse through a dimensional gateway to some far distant place where these things exist. We know they exist around us.

[Josh Monday]

Yes, and the Bible describes them. Definitely. That's why it says we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but principalities of evil. Right. So they're there. It's just that I think that a portal would be like a doorway, right, for, for them to come into the physical world, you know, and, and that's what I think they're trying to tap into. And I think you had a good point. When you're talking about cern and what they're trying to do is they're trying to hit particles together to create, people say black holes, but I think they're trying to actually tear the veil and bring in these entities. And you know, when you read Revelation, where, where do these entities come from? They come from inside the earth, right? The bottomless pit and the earth. You know, there's, there's so many things that people don't understand. There's, there's this physical world that we live in that we, we talk and we engage and we get to enjoy which, which the demons are so jealous of us because we get to love our Wives, we get to. Even the angels were jealous of us because we get to love our wives, have emotions, and have free will. Right? So we're so blessed. We're. Be we able to have children. Right. And so I think it's. It's just. There's a physical world and there's a spiritual. So when it. When you talk about portals, I think a good way would it say, would be like a doorway where they're trying the veil and bring these things into the physical world. And that's very. Yeah, that's. That's revelation type stuff when, you know, when they start doing that.

[David Lee Corbo]

But. Well, there are angels that are imprisoned beneath the Euphrates. And, and the idea is, you know, prophetically speaking, when the Euphrates dries up, that these will be loosed. And. And the Euphrates is drying up. And it's just interesting because we don't look at that at all and go like. And there's a dimensional gateway beneath the Euphrates rivers that will bring you into, like. No, that. It's interesting that the Euphrates is drying up. And the Bible says there's angels that are trapped under there. And, and yes, seeing that happen in real life, watching it actually dry up in real time, I realized that my brain doesn't go at all to. There's a dimensional gateway. I go, oh, this river's drying up. And there's angels beneath it. Like, you know what I mean? And the Bible doesn't say that literally underneath it, right? Yes, literally underneath it.

[Josh Monday]

That they're in another dimension and they have to be. No, and even when it talks about the, the. The Earth, okay, in the Book of Numbers, it talks about God opened up the earth and swallowed these people because they were. They were trying to cause a revolt against. Against Moses. Like, I think the Earth opened up and they fell into the earth, right? And I think S.H.I.E.L.D. is in there. Right. Also, if you look at when Jesus died on the cross, it says that. That these. That the. If you read this part, it's really interesting. It says that these saints of old that were dead or asleep came alive and they. And they showed up to people throughout the city of Jerusalem. Okay, very interesting. Where did they come from in the Earth? That's where SHIELD was located. And then Jesus, he ascended. Before he ascended on high, he descended to the lower parts of the Earth. Where did he go? He went into paradise to get all the people that died in the Old Testament and the people that were saved. And bring him where? To heaven. No one was allowed into heaven until Jesus died on the cross. Now, did Enoch go to heaven? It says he went up. Did he go to heaven? I don't know. But it doesn't say he went to heaven. It says he went up. Elijah. It also says he never died. He ended up going on a chariot where up those two may be made it to heaven, but the ones that the prophets of old, it says they went where Abraham's bosom, which is in Luke 16. If you read that story, you'll be able to see that that is a, a look into, into shield what's in the earth. But yeah, I'm. I'm getting to the time where my kids are going to come downstairs.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yes, yes. We're keeping you for. It's. It's been almost two hours. No worries.

[Josh Monday]

It was perfect. Everything that I went through, I think I kind of went through everything. The only other parts I would talk about is people getting taken out up to heaven. There's one way up and one way down, right? So we already talked about that. We covered everything but the sixes. Real quick before we end, I'll go into the sixes. So we already know that 666 is a number that, you know, number of man. Right. So we have every 1 mile is 8 inches squared, is the curvature of the Earth. So if you go one mile, it's actually 66 of a foot. And if you go into like a 10 miles, it's actually going to be 66.6ft of curvature. If you go 100 miles is 6666ft of curvature. Right. So we have that and then the Earth's circumference is 600 times 6 times 6 nautical miles. We have the Earth orbiting the sun. I already said at 66, 600 miles an hour. Isaac Newton. Newton came up with the theory of gravity, first started writing it in 1666. The force of gravity on Earth is 666 Newtons. The speed of sound is 666 knots. The diameter of the moon is 6 times 6 times 60. The distance to the moon is 6 times 60 times 666 miles. The Antarctic and Arctic celestial sphere is 66 degrees north latitude, 66 degrees south latitude. And then you have our 66.6 degrees. Sorry. And then the surface and temperature of Uranus now minus is negative six times six times six degrees. All right. And there's actually even more to it. I just, I only named as many as I could in this amount of time. So it kind of ties that right there.

[David Lee Corbo]

Josh, what you just laid out that, that, that thing is that screams, hey, pump the brakes. And, and maybe consider what you've been taught is. Is not reality. I mean, that is insulting what you just read. You know, that they would, they would hide all that in this data that claims to describe the realm that we inhabit. And it's all just encoded 666. I mean, what a slap in the face.

[Josh Monday]

Yes, a lot of it. And even with, if you look at Operation Dominique, that's another one where they actually took Thor missiles and they tried to blow up the. The fixed shell belonging to the Lord. That's what Dominique Chama means. Dominique means belonging to the Lord. Chama means fixed shell. It's Operation Fishbowl. Right. A fishbowl is a hole on top and. And a glass connecting to the flat land. Right. So that's another way that they flip. They're flipping the most high off. Right, interesting. But I also like to go over this before I end. It says Genesis 2, verses 1 through 4, says, Thus the heavens and the earth and all the hosts of them were finished. And on the seventh day God ended his work, which he has done. And he rested on the seventh day from his work, which he has done. That God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because it is he that rested from all his work which he had done and created and made. This is the history of the heavens and the earth when they were created in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens. So what God is saying is that this is the history of the. Of it and that his work is finished. Okay, so that's what he's saying. He's saying that the. The stars are not new, stars are not being formed, and all this difference. I'd be saying that the work and the host of them are finished. And last, before we end, I like to go to Colossians 115 through 18. Make sure we worship the Creator, not the created. Okay, so he says, Colossians 1:15 says, he is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by him all things were created that are in heaven, that are on earth, visible, invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities of evil. All things were created through him and for Him. And he is before all things, and in him all things consist. And he is the head of the body of the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead. And in all things He. He may have prom. Preeminence. This is speaking of Jesus. So it says that he is the image of the invisible God were made. In whose image? Jesus's image. Right. For by, by him all things were created that are in heaven, that are on earth and visible, invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. Saying that Jesus, okay, through the Word was created all these things. All things were created through him and for him, he is before all things. In him all things consist. So this is speaking of Jesus, right? So we need to understand that and understand who we should be pointing people to. We, a lot of us in the flat earth community, we worship the, we make flat earth an idol. Don't do that. All I do is just try to tell you what the Bible says, compare it to science. But I am here to worship the Creator, not the created. I like to point you guys to make sure that you understand who was, how it was created. God the Father through the Word said exist firmament, exist land, which means that he created it through the Word. Who is, who's the word? John 1. 1. The word is Jesus, right? And also the Holy Spirit hovers over the face of the water. Okay, so that is in the beginning we have three. That's why it's Elohim, which is plural. We have three in one. I don't like to push the Trinity on people. You could either believe Unitarian, Trinity or oneness, whatever you believe, I'm not trying to talk about, but all I'm trying to do is point you guys to the reason why I doing podcast in the first place. It's Christian and conspiracy. Because I take conspiracy. Use it as bait to suck you in to the ch, to the Bible. I want to show you the real truth. And, and at the end of all these rabbit holes that we chase with conspiracies, you have to have something in the end. The end, the ones that created the conspiracies is the devil and his demons. The one that the, the answer at the end of these conspiracies is the Bible and is Jesus. You need to be led to that to understand the real truth. Have the Bible as your foundation, have Jesus as your truth. And then when you dig into these conspiracies, you are, you are coming from a basis of truth instead of just trying to dig into these, all these conspiracies and then be fear porn to death and not have any answer at the end. So that's the reason why I operate. And I think that's also where you guys are operating on that level as well.

[David Lee Corbo]

Exactly it Josh. I came from that place. I, I, I was in conspiracy for A long time. Everything you just said is absolutely true. And I just hope that anybody that is out there in conspiracy land, it's a lot of fun. But if you start to look through the biblical lens, it brings everything together and it makes a lot more sense. And you realize that, yeah, the thing that you're focusing on, it's the. It's the machinations of the adversary. It's the machinations of. Of. Of. Of the, you know, of the fallen, of Satan. And so I agree with that.

[Josh Monday]

Nephilim death squad. It's in your guys's name of your show. The Nephilim go through the Bible and we'll have a Nephilim show. But what you see is this. This cosmic battle between Satan and God. God obviously wins, but Satan is allowed. He has. He is allowed to do these certain things. And. And the Nephilim are part of it. You'll see it throughout the Word where God is going against the Nephilim and killing all men, women and children of tribes. The flood, all these things were happening because of Genesis 6, 4. So we'll get into that next time. We'll go into the Nephilim and I'll just go verse by verse like I did with this. If you guys.

[David Lee Corbo]

Beautiful, beautiful. We'd love to have you back. Looking forward very much to that conversation and thank you for spending as much time. You know, two hours is. Especially at this time in the morning. I really appreciate it. One more time for the audience. Josh.

[Josh Monday]

We.

[David Lee Corbo]

Where can everybody find and. And check out your work?

[Josh Monday]

Okay, so on. On YouTube is Josh Monday Music and Podcast. And on Spotify, it's Josh Monday Christian and Conspiracy Podcast. I have like 236 episodes out. And then you could go to cultic conspiracy. And every Sunday there's an episode released. And every Wednesday there's an episode released on. And I'm just going through the Bible, doing commentary. And I'm not a pastor by any means or. Or anything like that. I never went to seminary school, but it's coming from a conspiratorial lens and also from, you know, I'm doing studies, like two days a week. I study all day at work. I have my earpiece in. I'm studying the Word. And then I do that show. And then the other two days, I'm studying the New Testament. Right. So the Old Testament. New Testament. So it'll assist you guys. And if you're a conspiracy theorist, that's a Christian, it'll also help you to. Because when you hear the word of God, it creates Faith, right. That's how faith is created. So that's what I'm trying to do basically, is it assist people in building that shield of faith. And then also the word of God is the offensive weapon. So I'm trying to get people familiar with the word. There's things in the Bible that people will tell you through tradition that you won't even find in the Bible. And that's what's crazy. That's what, that's what I'm learning. People will tell you things that you thought were true, but you can't even find the chapter and verse for it because it comes down to, through tradition. And you might find it might be extra biblical text, it might be Josephus, it might be Antaficus, all these different people. And, and it's not biblical. And it's really interesting. When you go through the Bible, you have to do that Old Testament, New Testament so that you understand this. So when people ask you a question and you're trying to defend your faith, you have the actual answer from the word instead of somebody's made up doctrine or someone's opinion, if that makes sense.

[David Lee Corbo]

Let me tell you, that's a, that's hugely important because as somebody, I, I consider myself a new Christian. And, and I've seen enough to go, this is really important and this is the lens that I should be looking at things through. But since I am new and it's obviously there's so much information there to go through in order to engage in these conversations and really understand your faith and understand God. You know, these kind of tools are, are huge, especially when it comes to, like I said, I, I, besides whatever the hell went with me when I was trying to read the Bible, which is very embarrassing and strange. The language is just, it's dense. It's dense. And so, you know, that's, it's nice to know that within this community of like conspiracy Christian content, there's a lot of people that are there to try to help everybody else understand and help ourselves understand along the way. So a great resource. And once again, Josh, I just want to thank you for, for spending time with us in the audience.

[Josh Monday]

Thank you. And then you guys witnessed it. We said seas, right? You brought up seas. So then you have to look at what word, what Cs means in the, in the, in the Hebrew. And it seemed like it's, it's only talked about seas, like, like you were talking about. So it's like you have to break down that word and then you start going on a, a chase For. For what the. The word means. And it's very important. And the thing is, we're so blessed because we have the Greek, we have the Hebrew, we have all these different translations. We. We do. We. There's no excuses for us, okay? We. All we have is all these different resources to be able to study when back then they had to have somebody read the Bible to them because they couldn't even read. So we're so blessed right now and with information that we could sit there and. And dig conspiracies all day long. But I think the. The most important thing is to. To find out the word of God. And for your podcast, it's going to help you as well, because you have people bring up something, something like the stars or the Maserath or that you're like, you know, chapter and verse of exactly what they're talking about. And then you go back to the Bible, you start reading it, and it's going to help you. You guys as well, for your show, you know, because you have somebody bring something up, and then you have all this. This dense information about what they just brought up certain subjects, you know, so I'm telling you, it'll help you guys vastly as well.

[David Lee Corbo]

Agreed to read. Agreed. All right, well, I think that's a good place to bring it in for a landing top. Do we have anything else?

[Top Lobster]

That's it. We'll see you guys tomorrow.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, wait, wait. You know, we should say guys, now that we have. Oh, this is. No, never mind. It doesn't matter. It's the Patreon. I was gonna say, guys, these tickets are about to go, but they know.

[Top Lobster]

Well, then let's release this. Let's release this tonight.

[David Lee Corbo]

Okay, we could do that. That's fine.

[Top Lobster]

All right, join the Patreon. Get Bohemian Grove. Tickets are going to drop tomorrow. They'll be sold out. But until then, don't forget to obey, submit and comply. We'll see you guys later.

[Josh Monday]

The greatest hypnotist on planet Earth is a oblong box in the corner of the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. You can persuade them that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see, because they'll thin the face of a explanation and they have.