170: The Mandela Effect Is Real—and It’s Targeting Your Bible w/ John Kirwin

Summary

Nephilim Death Squad Episode 170: The Mandela Effect Is Real—and It’s Targeting Your Bible w/ John Kirwin

Release Date: June 12, 2025

In Episode 170 of Nephilim Death Squad, hosted by TopLobsta and Raven from TopLobsta Productions, the discussion delves deep into the intriguing phenomenon of the Mandela Effect, specifically examining its impact on the Bible. The episode features John Kirwin, founder of Wake Up or Else, who brings a unique perspective by analyzing the Mandela Effect through a biblical lens.

Introduction of the Guest: John Kirwin

At [04:10], David Lee Corbo (TopLobsta) introduces John Kirwin, highlighting his platforms—Wake Up or Else, alteredbible.com, and his presence on YouTube, Rumble, and X (formerly Twitter). John describes his mission as a Christian fellowship for the "truther" community, aiming to provide a biblical analysis of the Mandela Effect. He emphasizes the widespread nature of the Mandela Effect, noting his audience spans 10,000 subscribers across 50 countries, countering the notion that it's a fringe belief held by a few isolated individuals.

Understanding the Mandela Effect Through a Biblical Framework

John Kirwin posits that the Mandela Effect is not merely a random misremembering phenomenon but a divine judgment predicted in scripture. He references Daniel 7:25, interpreting it as an indication that efforts to alter times and laws are part of a prophetic event. John authored a free book titled The Mandela Effect: Supernatural Bible Changes and the Doctrine of the Preservation of Scripture, where he argues that the changes observed in the Bible are a form of judgment from God due to the modern church's deviation from true prophetic engagement.

Notable Quote:

"The Bible, the scripture, and the Word are being conflated all to mean the same thing, but they're not." — John Kirwin [02:58]

Debating the Doctrine of Preservation of Scripture

A significant portion of the conversation revolves around the Doctrine of Preservation, which traditionally asserts that God has preserved the Bible in its original form. John challenges this by dissecting key theological terms and scriptures, arguing that:

• The Bible does not explicitly state that it will be preserved in its written form.
• Scriptures like Jeremiah 31:33 and Psalms 119:89 suggest that God's Word is preserved in the hearts of believers and in heaven, not necessarily in physical texts.
• Misinterpretations and conflations of terms like "Word," "Scripture," and "Bible" have led to doctrinal inaccuracies.

Notable Quote:

"The Lord gave and the Lord hath taken away is what the King James Bible has always said." — John Kirwin [33:44]

John further illustrates his point by presenting Bible quiz questions aimed at exposing discrepancies in common scriptural recollections. For example, he highlights that many recall Matthew 7:1 as "Judge not, lest ye be judged," a phrasing that doesn't exist in any historical or modern Bible editions.

Empirical Evidence and Statistical Improbability

John underscores the Mandela Effect's legitimacy by referencing peer-reviewed studies that show shared memories between those who believe in the Mandela Effect and skeptics. He presents a mathematical argument stating that the probability of billions of people independently misremembering specific Bible verses is 1 in 10^25, making it statistically implausible to be mere coincidence.

Notable Quote:

"The probability of just five people misremembering five simple Bible quiz questions by chance is approximately 10 to the 25th power." — John Kirwin [26:02]

Linking Technological Advancements to Biblical Prophecy

The discussion shifts to the potential causes behind the Mandela Effect, with John connecting it to advancements like the Large Hadron Collider (CERN). He interprets certain biblical passages, such as Revelation 9:1, as prophetic references to modern technologies that can manipulate time and reality, thereby facilitating the Mandela Effect. John cites Cliff High's research, which associates high concentrations of Mandela Effect reports around D-Wave quantum computers, suggesting a link between quantum fluctuations and altered realities.

Notable Quote:

"There is a black hole of human consciousness where the Mandela Effects emanate from, and the D-Wave computers are involved in creating dimensional portals." — John Kirwin [73:40]

Personal Impact: Being a Truther and Relationship Dynamics

Transitioning from theological and empirical discussions, the hosts explore the personal toll of embracing conspiracy theories and the truth-seeking path. John introduces his book, Conspiracy Theorist Survival Guide, which serves as a guide for individuals navigating strained relationships due to their beliefs. He shares anecdotes about his own challenges, such as marital strains and social ostracization, emphasizing that seeking truth often comes at the cost of personal relationships.

Notable Quote:

"When you wake up, you tend to be a bit of an alarmist... it drives a wedge between you and the people around you." — David Lee Corbo [84:30]

Conclusion and Call to Action

As the episode wraps up, John provides resources for listeners to further explore his work, directing them to his YouTube channel, Wake Up or Else, and his website, alteredbible.com. The hosts encourage listeners to engage with the content and consider the theological implications of the Mandela Effect on their faith and understanding of Scripture.

Notable Quote:

"God can make his scriptures inaccessible to us through a judgment, while at the same time preserving his word in the hearts of His people." — John Kirwin [26:47]

Final Thoughts

Episode 170 of Nephilim Death Squad offers a compelling examination of the Mandela Effect through a biblical perspective, challenging traditional doctrines and presenting a blend of theological insight and empirical argumentation. John Kirwin provides a provocative stance that invites listeners to reconsider their understanding of memory, scripture preservation, and divine intervention in the modern world's perceived realities.

For those interested in exploring these themes further, John Kirwin's work is accessible through his various online platforms, offering a resource for truth-seekers navigating the complexities of contemporary conspiracies and their impacts on faith.

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[David Lee Corbo]

Only some are aware that the government releasing poison. And welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad. I am David Lee Corbo, AKA the Raven that is Top Lobster, the father of disinformation. Before we get into today's guest, I would like to remind all of our live viewers that this is a 30 minute preview only. Sometime around the 30 minute mark roughly, we'll be going live exclusively to patreon.com backslash Nephilim Death Squad where you can continue enjoying an ad free viewing experience, engaging with the live chat and also gaining early access to the episode before it drops to the general public. Because we are backlogged. Anybody who's watching the YouTube feeds or the Rumble feeds knows that we are pretty far behind. And so if you want to stay up to date and the cutting edge of these conversations, then patreon.com backslash Nephilim Death Squad is for you. Also, guys, just a quick reminder that the tickets are live to Bohemian grove. Go to bro grove.com we are counting down now. What's today? I don't even know what today's date is. The 27th. So we are under a month until the greatest comedy, conspiracy and chaotic event known to man. And I'm saying that right here, right now, it is the greatest event.

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[David Lee Corbo]

That's right. Joining us today is John. John of Wake up or Else. For the audience who may not be familiar with you, John, where can they find your work and what is it that you focus on?

[Engineer]

Sure, the. Hey, great to be with you guys. We're on YouTube at Wake up or else all one word. Also rumble and Twitter and or X. And then our websites are wakeup or else.com and alteredbible.com essentially, we're a Christian fellowship for the truther community. So when you become a Christian, the world persecutes you. And when you become a truther, the church persecutes you. So I have this little corner of God's kingdom where we follow Jesus, but we're also questioning everything. And it does a lot of times with you when that starts to happen, as you all probably know. But my primary focus is providing a biblical analysis of the Mandela effect, which probably most people in your community have heard of, but there's still a lot of skepticism around it. But you've got Google Analytics, you've got major magazines doing full spreads on it. Fox News has covered it, several movies. There's. There's over a hundred Facebook groups, some of which have over a hundred thousand members. There's YouTube channels with several hundred thousand subscribers each reporting on this. I have about 10,000 subscribers in 50 countries. So this is not a few crazy people in their mom's basement, you know, eating PETA pockets, trafficking in the dark corners of the Internet. And they're just confused. And then their crazy voices are being amplified by the Internet. Please not what's happening.

[David Lee Corbo]

That was something. Oh, go ahead.

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We were.

[Host]

We were just talking about pre show, about the statistical impossibility of this being. Well, the Mandela effect being just. Just random. And it kind of reminded me of some of Jerry Marzinski's research where he's looking into schizophrenia and they're. He. He's narrowed it down to it. It being a set of not just coincidences, not hallucinations, but a set of repeatable patterns that would be impossible to be random. So it's kind of like full. And that. That work comes along the lines of, like, when we're talking about entities and things that are moving our culture, our society behind it. So I. I wonder how does. How does that work? Where does that fit into your framework of. Of what this Mandela effect is and what it's doing?

[Engineer]

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[Host]

Yeah, it was a question.

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[Host]

No, I was saying that Jerry Marzinski does work with. He does work with schizophrenic patients. And the modern definition of schizophrenia is that it's hallucinations, a bunch of random voices, someone's head. But he's narrowed it down to a pattern, and there's like 22 repeatable or 21 repeatable patterns. So he's like. It's a statistical impossibility that these are just hallucinations. There are entities at work behind this because there is a pattern it's following. So there's a pattern that's being followed with a Mandela effect as well, where people are repeating the same things. And it leads you to wonder why, like, is there higher powers at work or lower powers? What do you think?

[Engineer]

Right. We're not really sure what it is. We just know what it isn't. It's not misremembering because first of all, there's never been an event in recorded history that I can find where basically all of humanity is suddenly reporting that hundreds of things in multiple categories are no longer as they vividly remember them. We're talking like your name or the color of grass or how many bowling pins there are. Okay, this is not like, oh yeah, I had lunch three weeks ago, I can remember. No. So the idea that we're delusional doesn't really play well because we have, we now have a peer reviewed study that scientific community has taken not. And one of the things the peer reviewed study found was that both groups share the same memories. The Mandela affected and the unconvinced have the same memories. So if we're delusional, then so are you. Naysayer. Sorry about your problems.

[David Lee Corbo]

I've been thinking a lot about the Mandela effect and you know, we don't know why it's happening. It seems that it certainly is know eventually you're overwhelmed by a body of anecdotal evidence and it becomes a body of evidence. And I, I, I can't exactly theorize why it would be, but I, I suppose what you could do then is look at the effects of it. Like what are we losing or gaining because of these inconsistencies in our memories versus, you know, reality or alleged reality. And I, I just, I find that difficult sometimes. I think maybe it's, it's, it's a fracturing. If you can alter an individual's memory of the past and you could do it at scale, then maybe what it does is it at least gives you a feeling of instability in the timeline. So what I'm getting at here, John, is that over the past few years we've been inundated with this like multiverse narrative. And the multiverse is coming from everywhere. It's coming from Marvel movies, it's coming from children's cartoons. It is the new hot thing, you know, and it's been that way for maybe like five, six years. And I don't know if I subscribe to the multiverse. It doesn't, it seems not too fantastic, but it seems like it doesn't fit in with God's creation the way that I've come to understand it. And I, it does strike me as significant that if you could create this feeling of instability in your own past experience, then that might lend itself to you believing in this totally random, never ending branch of multiverse.

[Engineer]

Yeah. Yep, yep. So that's a, here's a answer to Your question, which I understand your question. I believe that in a, like when you're in a war, they have a term called collateral damage. You're trying to get the bad guy, but you kill a bunch of kids on the way and that's just lie, that's just war. Right. So I believe that this event is taking place to get to the Bible and all of the different things in pop culture are just collateral damage. The reason I say that is because this event was actually predicted with stunning accuracy in a number of places in the scripture, like Daniel 7:25. He will seek to change times and laws. Now I've written a book that's available for free because I'm a ministry. It's called the Mandela Effect. Supernatural Bible changes and the doctrine of the Preservation of Scripture. So I've been in the ministry full time for about 20 years, part time for 20 years. I've been in the church on the platform, doing church. I love God, I love His Word. I'm a fundamentalist. I don't question God's authority. And all of the issues around this doctrine of preservation thing have been mishandled. Okay, so what's happening though is that this is actually not the devil getting the upper hand on God. This is a judgment from God because the church has exchanged a, a prophetic, hearing his voice type of relationship, Christianity with an intellectual miracle free gospel. And they've turned the Bible into an idol just like the Pharisees did. Think of the interactions between Jesus and the Pharisees. That's what, why God is doing this. It's a, it's a tower of Babel judgment. And you, I cover this in the book. There's about seven or eight different places through the scriptures where God withdrew his voice, he withdrew his word. Like Amos 8, 11, I. This is God talking. I will send a famine, but not a famine of bread. It'll be a famine of the Word. And, and men will seek the word. Now you could try to suggest that that wasn't a, a prophecy where the, the written scriptures, it's irrelevant. Okay. I'm just saying that this is our God. This is how he rolls. Okay. If you, if you turn his gifts of the, of the writings of the prophets into an idol, he's going to, out of his love to restore you to himself. He's going to come in and do what he's doing. It's not unprecedented at all to suggest that this is happening.

[David Lee Corbo]

Is this a similar thing, John, to God sending a strong delusion to those unwilling to see the truth?

[Engineer]

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[Host]

It's something that we touch on, on the show a lot about the, the fall of the modern church and what it is, what it was supposed to be, why I have such a strong distaste for it. And I, I often think, like, is it me? Am I being, am I being a jerk? Because I, I grew up in the church. I, I was kicked out of the church for, you know, not, like, bad. I, I spoke back to the pastor. I thought he was doing wrong. But when you're in it and when you're in ministry, you see the underbelly of it, and it looks kind of. It looks disgusting, you know, and. But I'm often trying to, like, go back and make sure that it's not just me that is spreading a message. And I don't, I don't want to push people away from something that's good. You. Do you think that this is fallen as well?

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I don't paint the entire church with a broad brush like a lot of people, because I've been in the kitchens of these servants of God. And they're not all Freemasons secretly acting as pastors. They're not all on the take. They're not all in it for the money. They're not all pedophiles. It's not true. I'm not. And a lot of these people I know personally. So, yes, the church has been infiltrated. Yes, we're operating on a model that isn't really New Testament. It was house to house. The congregational format is a structure that really doesn't serve God's purposes. So those of us, especially in the truth or community, a lot of us have had to leave the church to find Jesus. So, yes, your observations are validated, but let me just address what. What took me eight years, or it took God eight years to really show me how to essentially prove that this is happening, because all of the different arguments are subjective. Okay. The, the examples that I'll give at some point here are so shocking that they should be enough. I mean, my friend, Dr. Paul Grafton Holt, he has four theological degrees, including a PhD in theology. So if you think that I, or anybody claiming this is just biblically illiterate, you'd have to make that work with Dr. Paul Grafton Holt. Look him up. He's got 12 books, many of which are used as. As curriculum for Bible colleges for the love of heaven. All right, and he wrote a 12th book called the King James Bible and the Quantum Effect. So he's out there. I did it. I got an interview on my. All my channels with him, and he's coming back for another one. So the. The way that we now know that this is happening, okay, there's all these people, it's millions of people, according to my research, are claiming that this is not only reality's morphing, but the Bible is among the things that are changing. Well, that bumps up against the long held tradition of the doctrine of preservation. And it basically goes like this. The Bible can't change because God preserves his word, right?

[Host]

That's like Deuteronomy, right? Deuteronomy, chapter 4 Somewhere. And. And in the Book of Revelation. But the Book of Revelation, that verse is. To me, it seemed like it pertains to the book of Revelation. I'm not sure.

[Engineer]

Well, there's about seven to 10, maybe 15 different passages which are relied on to demand that the Bible has a force field around it. But what it comes down to is a matter of semantics. Okay, what is the definition of the term word?

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[Engineer]

The Bible, the scripture, and the Word are being conflated all to mean the same thing, but they're not. Like, the Bible doesn't say heaven and earth will pass away, but my scripture won't pass away. Or thy scripture, O Lord, is forever settled in heaven. Okay, it doesn't say that. What it says is, thy word is forever settled in heaven. So are the terms word and scripture actually identical? Because that's how they're being used by 99% of the church leaders. Okay, so, example, in the Gospel of John, chapter one, we are given the clearest definition for the term word. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the word was God. So this is one example of where the term word does not mean your King James Bible in English on your coffee table. Therefore, if you hold out the promise, heaven and earth will pass away, but my Bible won't pass away. That's not what the Bible's saying. That's not what the scriptures are teaching. The term word is something much more profound than your written scriptures. You also have Revelation 19:13. He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and his name is called the Word of God. So now I have two theological foundational principles to argue that perhaps some or all of the preservation promises are being mishandled with sloppy doctrine. Because you're just mashing together the term Bible, scripture and word like they're all synonymous. Think about it. If I tell you the Bible can't change because God preserves his Word. Bless God. Praise God. Is that really what the Scripture is teaching? Is the scripture teaching that the Bible won't change? There's no passage that says that.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's something that you've got to have found yourself, I guess, receiving a lot of pushback against. Right. Because for many people, especially those in the church, there are plenty of examples of the Bible being treated like some sort of an idol. Right?

[Host]

Yeah. The solo scriptura people. Would. Would you consider this blasphemy, then? I mean, I'm.

[Engineer]

I am more solo scriptor than. Than anybody that takes an issue with this.

[David Lee Corbo]

But you do find many people who take an issue.

[Engineer]

Well, of course, in the. The basic sense, my position is heretical, which is defined as being outside of the Overton window. Right. It's outside the norm. However, if you study the doctrine of preservation, and I did, and I went and I listened to all the patriarchs of the faith pontificating on what is the doctrine of preservation? And when I first started listening to it, I was really surprised because they'd spend 20 minutes on the idea that the Word is inspired. And I'm sitting there going, okay, well, what does that have to do with the price of tea in China? I want to know if the Scriptures teach that it couldn't be subject to an external attack like this.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right.

[Engineer]

Does it have a force field promise? Okay. And so what you find is that there's this assumption that because God inspired the Word, then it's sacrosanct. And it's. And it's just impossible that God could. The devil could possibly mess with something that God had inspired. Well, guess what? You can't produce one scripture that teaches inspiration equals preservation. I mean, okay, so what they're relying on is 10,000 upon 10,000 statements by men and women of God. Over centuries, there have been libraries of books written that basically say the same thing thousands of different ways. And this is what they say. Well, if God, If God went to all this trouble to create, to give us the Word, then of course he's going to preserve it. Or if God inspired his Word, of course he's going to preserve it. What? What? It wouldn't make any sense. Right? So my question to everybody listening is, is what I just said a doctrine?

[Host]

No, I mean, listen, God. God went through all this trouble to create the earth.

[Engineer]

That's right.

[Host]

Gave it to man. And then immediately, almost immediately, was given unto Satan.

[Engineer]

Thank you. Ding, ding, ding. I have a list of all these things that got inspired and then were corrupted. Okay? So my. But it's worse than that, because this idea, in other words, the doctrine of Preservation rests on two pillars. The first, and being in the ministry 40 years, I never really looked into it. And most of the listeners haven't really looked into it, including church leaders. They've just accepted what they've been told from the front of the room in a general sense, just like I did. I guarantee it. Because I'm talking to people and they got a deer in the headlights expression when I start bringing this up. So the first pillar is this thing called theological necessity. And what this teaches is that because God went to all this trouble, of course he's going to preserve it. Well, that's a sentimental argument, like Peter, oh, you're not going to. The cross over my dead body. Then Jesus is like, bro, so, so. But, but it's taught as doctrine. It's called the doctrine of preservation. And Those concepts are brought forward and the term doctrine is sprinkled in there, and it's deceptive. So this is why I said all this, because you brought up solo scriptura and heresy. And here I am demanding a strict adherence to the scripture, not 10,000 great men and women of God who have come before us who have an opinion. Okay? The Ten Commandments is doctrine, which Joe Schmo said a thousand years ago isn't doctrine, but it's being taught as doctrine. And what that is is a violation of the Scripture, where Jesus said, you teach, you nullify the power of God. Teaching as doctrine the traditions of men. That is the first half of the doctrine of preservation. It is a tradition of men that is nullifying the power of God, and it's being taught as doctrine, and it's shameful. And it forces good men and women of God to then try to mangle passages like Psalms 12 to try to convince us that this is teaching preservation when it's nothing of the kind. It's an outrage.

[David Lee Corbo]

I see a lot of people in the chat talking about translations, and I'm somebody who's new to Christianity, and so I still have a lot to learn. But it does strike me as significant that so much is lost in translation from Greek to Hebrew to English.

[Engineer]

Yes.

[David Lee Corbo]

And even that alone, because when you translate, much of the context of the word is lost or much context is added to the new word. And that strikes me as an inability to preserve even. Even that on its face. Am I. Am I wrong in that assessment?

[Engineer]

No. Let me, Let me provide everybody the, the objective, undeniable, unequivocal evidence that you need to. To give yourself permission to consider the evidence. Okay. Because what I finally realized is that we're not misremembering. We're misremembering in unison. There is no possible way that everybody in the world. I mean, I've. I've been doing this for eight years. I have posts from 50 countries and people in Iran, Sweden, all over the. Oh, yeah, it's all changing here. So this is a worldwide phenomenon. Okay. And their pastors are misquoting the scriptures from the front of the room. So this is a worldwide phenomenon that affects all of humanity.

[Host]

I misquoted scripture in the pre show.

[Engineer]

Yes, you did.

[Host]

Immediately. And he was like, that's wrong. Let's start the show.

[Engineer]

That's right. Yes. Yeah. He said, my people perish from lack of knowledge. And, and see, what I, I'll share with you today is I've. I've got probably about 15 passages that are not only wildly unfamiliar, but they're also doctrinal paradoxes that shock every Christian I share them with because they're unfamiliar to who God is, and they're forced to admit, yeah, I never knew that was in the Bible. Okay, but let me give you the evidence. The probability of just five people misremembering five simple Bible quiz questions by chance is approximately 10 to the 25th power. Now, I'll. I'll share the. The. The. The. The. The prompt for chat GBT that I used to get that math. I basically assumed that there's only 10 possible answers, which is very conservative. And what comes out is. Is a 1 with 25 zeros to 1. And to give you a reference, 1 in 10 to the 18th power is 1 in 1 quintillion. So this is a very high number. However, it's not five people. It's virtually everybody. And it's not just five scriptures. It's probably closer to 15. And you can go to alteredbible.com and you can take my online Bible quiz. It's got 16 questions, and you'll probably fail most of them, which is not possible. And you'll fail the same way that every other human being that's ever watched most of the Bible.

[Host]

Watch me fail them.

[Engineer]

Okay, you want to do it? Yeah, take the online quiz. All right, let's not do it now. All right, so what this means is we're not misremembering. We're misremembering the same way. So unless you can provide a rational explanation for how everybody if you say, let's try it. Okay, let's try it with you guys. The first two are King James only scriptures. They're very familiar, and they're only in the King James Bible. The first one is Matthew 7. Judge not blank.

[Host]

Ye be judged, lest ye be judged.

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[Engineer]

Do you guys agree?

[Host]

Yes, but it's probably wrong.

[Engineer]

Well, give me the whole thing from memory. Like I'm not giving you multiple choice, so quote it from memory.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, it's not going to be my memory, that's for sure.

[Host]

Suds Judge not, Judge not lest ye be judged.

[Engineer]

That's what I remember right now. That that what just came out of your mouth will also come out of the mouths of. I don't know. I'm assuming it's everybody. So it's billions of people. But that scripture has never existed in the King James Bible. It's not in the 1611 five revisions, the 1769 Oxford. It's not in any edition that exists on any shelf in any century. And there's no exceptions. It isn't in any modern version either.

[David Lee Corbo]

So where does it come from? Why would we remember it that way?

[Engineer]

Well, that's the question, okay? And my response is this. A forest doesn't fall down without a wind or a bomb or a meteor or an earthquake. Forest doesn't just fall over. There has to be causation, okay? So you can't have everybody misremembering the same way. Because you didn't say judge not because otherwise you'll be judged. You didn't say something different than everybody. You said the exact same. Therefore it had to get in there somehow. Now, the only possible explanation which is so far fetched and it's so embarrassing that I still can't believe it, but I'm here to tell you that I've had the intelligentsia of the body of Christ be forced into this corner with me and they will tell me, well, I can explain this, John. I could clear this up. This is just because of misquotes from pop culture. This is just because it's in this movie line or it's in this song and some guy 50 years ago said, judge not lest you be judged. And it went through the entire world like a telephone game. And I'm looking at him like, you really gotta go with I don't care what misquote I see on Facebook. I know my Bible, sir. Don't you? I mean, if you saw somebody on Facebook saying there is no God, would you suddenly become an atheist even? No, it's ridiculous. I cover that in a, in a video refuting misquotes. All right, so let me give you another one. This one is also as familiar as. Mom, what's apple pie?

[Host]

What's the original? What is it?

[Engineer]

Oh, yeah, yeah. It's always said in this timeline, judge not, judge not so that you won't be judged, or judge not that you won't be judged. It doesn't say less. There is no thing that says judge not lest you be judged. It doesn't exist. There's one version that has a last in it, but it's different. It says judge not that ye be not, or so that you won't be judged, or something like that, but that one doesn't exist. All right, The Lord blank and the Lord blanks away.

[David Lee Corbo]

The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away.

[Engineer]

See, it's like that. It's like self evident.

[David Lee Corbo]

Boom. It's right. I'm not reaching for these. These are, these are a matter of knowledge. Known, known facts.

[Engineer]

Public record, baby.

[David Lee Corbo]

Public record. That's what it feels like.

[Engineer]

Feels like branded on our brain scab. All right, so judge. All right, so this is. The Lord gave and the Lord hath taken away is what the King James Bible has always said.

[David Lee Corbo]

One more time.

[Engineer]

The Lord gave and the Lord hath taken away. Now that's in the 1611 and all revisions and the 1769. So it's not a modernization, because in order for it to be a modernization, it would have to be one way in the original and a different way in the later versions. The one that you have on the coffee table which says the Lord gave is the same as the 1611, sir. So you have a big problem.

[Host]

So things are being like. So what's happening here is like the Bible's being scratched at, but only at the surface level, it seems so far. And that would, that would actually, you know, give veracity to what you said, where the word cannot be changed. So the heart of this, of God, what he's telling you, cannot be changed. But there flirting with these rejoinders just to kind of screw with you.

[David Lee Corbo]

Sure. Interesting too, because I know you said that it's in the book of Revelation, top. But it's, it still does say, right, if any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book. But it suggests that you can, like it can happen. There is a curse, suffer, you know, a curse effectively. But would it say that if you couldn't do those things, if it couldn't be altered.

[Host]

But what kind of a. Would change the Bible? But only just like, like giveth to give. Like you're just changing just a couple of words. Like small words.

[David Lee Corbo]

I don't want to get.

[Engineer]

Yes.

[David Lee Corbo]

I don't want to get ahead of John. Yeah, but, but in my, you know, limited knowledge, I would say that what you're doing is you're creating an instability in the Bible that has been perceived as the Word. So if you can, if you can get the Bible to be perceived as the Word. And John's already laid out that these two things are, are different fundamen. So first you, you have this be the representation of God, you know, definitively. And then what you do is you just chip away at it. Little, little chips in the armor until people lose. It's just, it adds to this, like, psychological dismissal of it. You know what I mean? Where it's like the more that you can have people lose faith in what they think they understand about a thing, the more eventually they just move away from it. I would say maybe is. Is the point here.

[Engineer]

Yeah. And the. What you're kind of expressing, I believe, if I understand is this, this underlying sentimental idea that there's an offense for me to point this out. In other words, this is so terrible and disruptive that God would never do this. Well, unfortunately, it's a judgment. It's supposed to be terrible and, and it's a redemptive judgment. So the idea is that God has come into his church in this last days to tap us on the shoulder and let us know that he's not happy, Bob. I'm not happy, Bob, because you're using my book as a cudgel to keep me out of the solemn assemblies. Okay. I want to come in and heal Sally of cancer, but it's a kinetic event and she'll probably fall over and shake. Well, that doesn't drive with your process. Okay. And so as soon as the Holy Spirit starts to move, you change the order of service. And I'm fed up. So I'm going to take my bowl and go home and I'm going to come where I'm invited.

[David Lee Corbo]

Is this Like a sort of an example of how leaning on your own understanding, because we have this thing, we become obsessed with it, we eventually idolize it. And we even get to the point where you get accolades based upon your understanding of this thing, of course. But we're called to lean, not on our own understanding. Unless, of course, that's something I'm misremembering as well.

[Engineer]

Right. The, the, the appeals to authority. This. It's almost become like, you know, being biblically literate, is this an accomplishment? Christianity is this accomplishment. And it's almost like a Gnostic ladder that you go up, like the, like the 33rd degrees of masonry, and they're very seductive. And, and you have all of these people strutting around, you know, highlighting the Bible, and they'll say things like, the foundation of your faith is the scriptures and sound doctrine. No, it's not. The Bible doesn't teach that. It says no other foundation can be laid but that which is Jesus Christ. Jesus rebuked the Pharisees for talking like that. He said, you search the scriptures for, in them you think you find eternal life. So the book has become an idol to the church. And God's a romantic, okay? God loves us and he wants to have a relationship. But, you know, most pastors haven't cast a demon out of anybody on Sunday morning in 40 years of ministry.

[David Lee Corbo]

So that's interesting, John, because it sounds like what you're saying is we have begun to idolize this or have for a long time, and God has almost come along and said, oh, you've made the mistake of idolizing this thing. Watch me chip away at it.

[Engineer]

Right? And he wants us to know his voice. And this is not some, some cultic, you know, cultic thing that I'm advocating to depart from the scriptures. No, no, no, no, no. I'm just. I'm just reporting on something that's obviously happening. And let me go back to these last three questions because I really want to nail down and show the audience the objective proof, because so far I'm batting a thousand. So the next one is there's an enigmatic passage in the Old Testament regarding the millennial reign. And it's who will lay down with the lamb?

[Host]

Right. The lion.

[Engineer]

Right. And that's a hundred percent of people will say that. But of course, it's always been the wolf in this timeline. And then you. You might remember this one where Noah's in on the water, and after a while, he lets the dove out, and the dove goes out, comes back a couple times and finally, the dove comes back with something in his mouth. Do you remember what he had in his mouth?

[Host]

It's. I think it's supposed to be an olive branch.

[Engineer]

An olive branch. Where's our other guest? We lost him.

[Host]

Oh, yeah, He. He took a piss break. This is what he does.

[Engineer]

I need. I need him to confirm because it'll help strengthen. But you. You said an olive what?

[Host]

An olive branch.

[Engineer]

Right. So basically, billions of people would say an olive branch.

[Host]

Yeah, that's the term. Right? The. You're extending an olive branch. Right.

[Engineer]

Well, that's what the scriptures teach in our timeline. But unfortunately, no Bible has ever said olive branch.

[Host]

But that phrase has worked its way into. Like whenever you're making an amendment, making amends with somebody, you're extending an olive branch. And it's supposed to come from there, but it doesn't come from there.

[Engineer]

No, it doesn't come from there. And we just asked two questions. Let me run them by you two as well. So Old Testament, talking about the millennial reign. Who will lay down with the lamb?

[David Lee Corbo]

The lion?

[Engineer]

Okay. And Noah let a dove out, and it went back forth a couple times. And then the dove finally comes back with something in its mouth. Do you remember what it had?

[David Lee Corbo]

Olive branch. Use my mouth. I'm like, wrong, wrong.

[Engineer]

Okay, so that's five. Let me do one more for a bonus round. You might not remember this, but Jacob wrestled all night with somebody. Do you remember who he wrestled with?

[Host]

He wrestled with God.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Host]

Oh, no. Is this wrong, too?

[Engineer]

Do you remember it was God.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's. That's what I remember. Yeah.

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[Engineer]

A lot of people remember he wrestled with an angel.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh.

[Engineer]

Which is close. Okay. However, he never wrestled with God or an angel. He wrestled With a man.

[Host]

What?

[David Lee Corbo]

Who'd he wrestle with a man?

[Engineer]

I don't know. That's what it says. Now let me make this very clear. Those last three or four scriptures are universal, so they're in every translation. Oh, this is bad. This is where the Bible can't change. CROWD here's why. The number one argument that this isn't happening because you have a doctrine that it can't happen is because we're confused by versions. Okay, but what I just quoted you, I selected those specifically because they're in every version. They're in the King James, they're in the niv, they're in the nas. There isn't a version that you can find where those don't exist. So they're not a version confusion. It's not a modernization and it's not a misprint. Jordan Faze back swish.

[David Lee Corbo]

But you're dealing with your hoes. So. So even as somebody who is, like I said, I'm a new Christian, right? But. But still these verses have entered.

[Host]

Jacob wrestled with God. Like this is a thing that. So you're just saying some dude.

[Engineer]

Oh, he wrestled with some dude from Poughkeepsie.

[Host]

Sounds gay. I don't know.

[David Lee Corbo]

That is very interesting, John. Before we go any further, we have to. We gave everybody 40 minutes and we now have to go exclusively to patreon.com backslash that squad. We got to do it for editing purposes and things like that. If you guys want to continue enjoying this conversation, you can hop on over to patreon.com backslash Nephilim Death Squad, hang out in the live chat, gain early access. But otherwise we are saying goodbye to YouTube, Twitter and Rumble. And that's happening now. All right, so, you know, there is a. There's a couple of conversations that I wanted to get into with you. One is certainly about your book regarding what it's like to be sort of a conspiracy, you know, theorist truth or.

[Engineer]

Forgive me, I gotta interrupt before we transition.

[David Lee Corbo]

No, no, I wasn't. I wasn't planning on changing yet. I wanted to ask you a question and we're gonna stay on this topic, okay? But does seem. I understand what you're saying and I wonder if the same thing is. Is happening with. You're seeing a lot of celebrities lately, really high ranking celebrities who have often lived a life of debauchery previously and are now moving towards Christianity or some version of Christianity, or they're moving towards the church or some version of the church. And in as far as I'm concerned, that's a good thing, right? But I do wonder if some of the people that are moving towards it, let's say like some of these more famous only fans, creators and things like that, it almost feels like what's happening is people are moving towards the church and they're doing it on a scale that is there for the world to see because they're doing it in a way that's very publicized. And yeah, Rogan's a great example. Now, I enjoy Joe Rogan very much, but I recognize that he has explored and introduced into the culture many things that would be in alignment with Gnosticism or the New Age movement and things of that nature. So I'm very skeptical. But my, I'm not here to judge anybody's path towards God. You know, it took me a long time to get where I am and everybody's is different. But I do recognize that if some of these people move towards it and then they have a public falling out, they could disenchant unbelievable swaths of people with God and, and Jesus Christ. Especially if they conflate the church with God and Jesus Christ or they, they conflate the Bible with God and Jesus Christ. And, and so I'm wondering, do you think that that is. Should I even be looking at it that way, or do you think that there's veracity to that?

[Engineer]

No, I've been thinking the same thing. I've been watching this, this crescendo of voices lifting up Jesus and I'm like, I don't buy it. And I've seen that play a lot where they, they co opt people, you know, Hannah Montana, you know, is innocent, and they create this huge following of teeny boppers and then all of a sudden they flip the switch on her and she becomes a whoremonger. So same principle? Yeah, absolutely. I don't doubt it at all.

[David Lee Corbo]

That was just on my mind lately because the newest one is Joe Rogan. And I go, that's very fascinating because this is a guy that's communicating with entities in the DMT realm. This is a guy that's promoting a lot of things that were assets of the MK Ultra program when it comes to float tanks and, and, you know, high doses of psychedelics and all these different things. And then all of a sudden he's pivoting. And I'm not saying that you.

[Host]

He's the guy. He's the guy. Let's not forget. I mean, he had John Osterholm on his podcast right when Covid happened. Shut down the whole world. The guy Came with this crazy fear message. And then a couple months later, he played the other side of it, you know, brilliantly, with the whole ivermectin and him turning like.

[David Lee Corbo]

You know, it happens in a way where you're like, oh, this could just be the development of his intellect. This could be the development of his interest, and it could be genuine. But if it's not genuine, it is like walking into the church with a. With a bomb strapped to you, and you're smiling and you're waving, and then eventually something's going to happen, and once the cameras are on, you're going to hit that bomb and everybody's going to fall away because, you know, he has a great deal of influence.

[Engineer]

Yeah, I mean, it's really tough with AI coming out, and you really almost can't really know what's real anymore. You got timeline shifting. You got, AI can post anything about anybody now, and you won't even know. I mean, it's really Holy Spirit time. I just did a live stream about that. There's no way to know unless you're hearing from God.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's really scary. That's it? Yeah, that's it. Oh, I just wanted to ask you that. But.

[Engineer]

No, that's a good, good question. All right, so I want. I just want to put a period on what just happened, because what the listeners just witnessed is not possible unless if you want to appear rational. Okay. You have to submit to the scientific discipline of probabilities, and what you just witnessed cannot happen by chance.

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[Engineer]

The statistics of what you just saw is 10 to the 25th power by chance. Okay, so my. My ministry is now to go out to the body of Christ. With that example and ask this question. Unless you can provide an irrational explanation for that, then you need to humble yourself and be instructed about the nuanced understanding of the doctrine of preservation. Because God does preserve his word, but he doesn't promise to preserve it in the Scriptures. If you go to the Bible and you look at where does God promise to preserve his Word? What you'll find is very surprising. There's five scriptures that tell you where he will preserve it. Jeremiah 31, 33, Hebrews 8:10, Hebrews 10:16, Psalms 1:19. Those first three tell you that he'll preserve it in the hearts of his people, not on paper. Psalms 119:89 tells you it'll preserve in heaven. So that's a proof text for the Mandela effect community. It's saying the jurisdiction of the preservation is not on paper. And that's what Paul says in 2nd Corinthians 3:3. Not with ink. He's talking about his disciples who have the word of God written on their hearts, not with ink. So again, my doctrine is more conservative and orthodox than 99% of the entire church. Because I'm going to the Scriptures to ask, where is the promise of preservation? Is it promised that the word of God, which I've already established, is not necessarily the written word, it's Jesus. Does it promise that the Scriptures will be preserved? Well, the other preservation promises have no promise of where it will be preserved. It just says heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away. There's no promise of where. So. So this is beginning to create a theological foundation for how God can be allowing this but not be a liar. Because that's the central problem that people have. If God is allowing this, then he's a liar. No, he's not a liar because he never promised to preserve your King James Bible in on print. He promised to preserve the eternal word, which is settled in heaven, and it's preserved in the hearts of God's people. And if you look at the missions organizations, there's 5,500 living languages at this very moment that have no Bible in their language. Okay, so the word of God is preserved in relation to those people groups, but they have no access to it. Okay, so God can make his scriptures inaccessible to us through a judgment, while at the same time preserving his word. And these are the. This whole debate is a semantics battle. Yeah, but if you think about the care and the effort that a preacher will go to when they're giving you a sermon, right? And they're going to Bring forward the meaning of what they're trying to say. They're going to go into the original language. They're going to go into this dictionary and Thayer's dictionary and this lexicon. They're going to give you the historical background of who's saying it and who they sing it. Just to be so careful to bring forward the exact nuance, meaning of the word. Okay, but when it comes to the terms, Bible, scripture, word. Oh, we'll just throw them all in there together. The Bible can't change because God preserves his word. Whoa, wait a minute. Wait a minute. It doesn't say that. The scriptures do not teach that God preserves the Bible or the Scriptures. Now, there's a couple of passages that people will try to relate that to. One of them is John 10, where it says the scripture can't be broken. But I. I unpacked that in chapter five of my book, and that is not a preservation promise. That term is parenthetical, too. What it's saying is it's. It can't be disobeyed. And that's clear. The only other things I've seen them try to point to are Jeremiah 30 and I think in Isaiah 30, verse 8, where God told both of those prophets to write it down. Well, okay, you're gonna try to apply that to the entirety of the canon. That's really horrible hermeneutics, because that was a very specific assignment that was given to those specific prophets for a specific event, not the entirety of all the scriptures that would ever be written.

[Host]

And have those scriptures been changed, to your knowledge?

[Engineer]

All the Bible scriptures in the entire Bible? Up to any page. Oh, no. Oh, no, no, no. My screens just went blank. Oh, hold on.

[Host]

That's all right.

[David Lee Corbo]

We can still hear you. Okay, you got a little choppy there for a second, and then your screen went blank. If you want, John, what you could do is refresh your browser, and it'll kick you out and you'll pop back in and we'll. We'll continue it. There you go, man. You know, it kind of makes me feel a little bit better because I feel like we're. We're pursuing the truth. And, you know, obviously, the Bible comes up constantly in. In what we do here, but it's not. We're not, like, tenacious about the text specifically. We're tenacious about the messaging and trying to understand God.

[Host]

Yeah, that's. It's also why, like, listen, I'm gonna fail this test 100 out of 100 times because I read the Bible, but I'm like, I'm not like word for word exactly what the Bible says. I really, I don't find that a good use of my time to like memorize every single number. Like there's people that do it, but like, I am, I'm on a search or I'm gonna search for a relationship with God and trying to understand who he is. So, like, reading the Bible, I, I love it, but my brain also just doesn't work like that. To remember it like verse, reverse and to recall. It's just, it's not going to happen.

[David Lee Corbo]

Too, because I watch a lot of would be intellectuals wield biblical verses as debate tactics. And I don't, you know, I'm not a big fan of, of debate. It's, it's, you know, oftentimes it gets overshadowed by the debate tactics and you're left still uncertain about the information by the end of it. But I recognize that people wield it, you know, just to claim themselves intellectually superior to other people. And I go, well, that doesn't seem.

[Host]

But this is what, this is what it seems like these people are doing. The people who are trying to understand the Bible in this way and make it like concrete cannot be changed. They're trying to understand God. I think we all are in our own way. But this line of, of thinking to understand God by something that was written down that seems like has been changed might not be the best way to do it. There's. There's other ways.

[David Lee Corbo]

How many examples have you found, John?

[Engineer]

I've got some here in front of me that'll blow everybody's mind because I do these podcasts and it, I mean, if I was just cherry picking obscure passages that had always been in the Bible, I'd be laughed off the stage. But when I quote Luke 19:27, where I don't have the actual passages on these, where it says, Jesus says, bring those here that are not following me and slay them before me. Okay, let me, let me pull it up. Luke 19. I've got a summary description of it in this sheet. Luke 19:20.

[David Lee Corbo]

Bring those here who are not following me and slay them before me.

[Host]

He says, but do you want me to read the original?

[Engineer]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, please.

[Host]

But those mine enemies, which would not. Which would not that I should reign over them. Bring hither and slay them before me.

[Engineer]

All right, so my first question is, is that the first time you've ever been aware that there was anything like that in your Bible where Jesus was talking about having people slain in front of him or have. Were you already aware that that was in there for me?

[David Lee Corbo]

Go ahead, Top.

[Host]

I think this is part of a parable, though. Like, it's not something that he's telling his disciples to do.

[Engineer]

I understand that. I'm going to get to that.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Engineer]

My question was very specific. Is this the first time that this kind of wording has ever come to your knowledge?

[David Lee Corbo]

Yes.

[Engineer]

Top.

[Host]

I don't, I don't. I mean, you know, maybe it's just. I, like, I, my, my perception of Jesus has changed as we've done this show from, like, I don't know, I, I guess I used to believe, like, he's this hippie beatnik, but, like, when you start to get familiar with who he is and his character, especially with his return, you're like, oh, no, no, no. This guy does not, he doesn't. He doesn't play around. He's not, he's not necessarily here for all pieces, you know, no question.

[Engineer]

I mean, he said, don't fear him who can kill the body, but I'll tell you rather, fear him who can kill the body and then cast it into hell. So, yeah, Jesus is no joke. But, but what I'm saying is that after 40 years of being in full time, 20 years full time, 20 years part time, I only found out that there was this parable in this Bible just a year ago, which. And I find that that's true. It's true with Raven. Okay. It's true with most of the people listening, which is not possible. So it doesn't matter if it's a parable. It's all. There's always an underlying story to explain it if you want to explain it. Okay? But what I'm telling you is if there was anything like this in my Bible where Jesus is saying in a parable or any. I don't care, because how far are you going to take that argument? Let's say a parable shows up where Jesus is flying into Nazareth in a ufo, a pink ufo wearing a tutu, drinking a Starbucks. Are you going to be able to convince yourself that that's the inspired word of God? Because it's a parable? No.

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[David Lee Corbo]

Too fast.

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[Host]

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[Engineer]

Shh. They're here. All right, so let me give you, each one of you a scripture and have you read them. First one's Isaiah 8. 3. Then the second one's Mark 8. 23. Now these are, while you're looking those up, Isaiah 8, verse 3, and then Mark 8. 23. These are universal changes, so they're in every Version. King James, Nas, you name it. And they're wildly unfamiliar, so most people will have to admit I never knew that was in my Bible. But they're also doctrinal paradoxes, which means they rub us the wrong way, to say the least.

[David Lee Corbo]

Okay, I have Mark 8. 23. Pulled up here. Top. You want me to read it?

[Engineer]

No, I have.

[Host]

Go ahead.

[David Lee Corbo]

Okay. So he says he took the blind man by the hand and led him outside the village. When he had spit on the man's eyes and put his hands on him, Jesus asked, do you see anything? So Jesus spit on his eyes. A blind man's eyes? Is that what I'm reading?

[Engineer]

So do you remember when Jesus spit and made mud and put it on his eyes?

[Host]

Yeah, I remember that.

[Engineer]

Yeah. Okay. Do you ever remember him spitting in a guy's face to heal him? No.

[Host]

So where the hell did that come from?

[Engineer]

All right, so. So I don't care what the commentary is, whether the other one's still in the Bible. It doesn't matter. The point is, the observation is, is that 95% of people that know their Bibles will admit, like the. The host just did, that this is the first time it's ever coming to their attention that Jesus is spitting in people's faces to heal them. All right, so let's go to Isaiah 8, verse 3.

[Host]

And I went into the prophetess, and she conceived and bear a son. Then said the Lord to me, call his name Mahershalal. Hash Baz.

[Engineer]

All right, this is Isaiah talking. And just read the first part of it again.

[Host]

And I went unto the prophetess.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, so it sounds like he and she conceived, he inseminated, he impregnated the prophetess.

[Engineer]

Okay, so I'm just gonna go out on a limb here.

[Host]

Who.

[Engineer]

But I'm. I'm here to tell you that if Isaiah had knocked up a prophetess, I would have known about it. And I only found out about this six months ago. And I'm over here, I'm over here on the fringe with you guys, and I'm like, you gotta be kidding me. All right? Isaiah. And it's not his wife. There's no text anywhere that tells you that the prophetess is his wife. You can assume that if you want, but I'm a Bible believer, okay? Unless this text gives me reason to believe that. I don't just believe it because it fits my narrative. So here you have Isaiah knocking up a prophetess. And I can. I've done this already. I've gone to pastors and I've said, hey, pastor, in your memory, did Isaiah ever knock up a prophetess? Well, no, John, I don't believe I recall that. That's not possible.

[Host]

And then also the implication of God telling him to name him something after he's done this, it's. It's bizarre.

[Engineer]

What is? And that name, it's got like 15 letters. There's now about 20 different people's names that have 20, 15, 20 letters in them. They're really bizarre. And there's places, too, with 15 or 20 letters, bunches of them. All right, here's another one. Look up Leviticus 4:32. And again, this is in every version. So this is not cherry picking some rogue versions. This is in your Bible, sir. Go ahead.

[Host]

Leviticus 4. 32. And if he bring a lamb for a sin offering, he shall bring it a female without blemish.

[Engineer]

Okay, so sacrificing female sheep. This one really tweaks people because they're like, no, not on my watch. There has never been any kind of thing where God told us, his people, to sacrifice female sheep. First of all, the sacrifice of sheep is a type and shadow of Christ. And this is a theme that we're seeing being entered into the Bible. These unsavory, dark themes of lbgt, Islam, homosexuality, there's all, you know, there's all these themes that are dark that are being introduced, and this is one of them. And it's also a doctrinal paradox because there's another Scripture that says to sacrifice male sheep. And you could try to make the case. Well, depending on the severity of the sin, you give them a male, but if it's a lesser sin, you give them a female. And if you can't afford it, you give them a dove. Well, guess what, dove. Guess what? Leviticus 12:8 in the KJV says you could sacrifice turtles.

[David Lee Corbo]

Turtles.

[Engineer]

Go ahead, look it up. Look it up. Leviticus 12:8 in the KJV. That's a KJV. Only change.

[David Lee Corbo]

Is this something? Because when we think about the Mandela effect, like, outside of the Bible.

[Host]

Oh, no, you gotta breathe. You got to bring two turtles.

[David Lee Corbo]

Two turtles.

[Host]

Two turtles. Two turtles equals one lamp. I love the. I love, like, the animal math.

[David Lee Corbo]

Animal. Yeah, yeah.

[Engineer]

You'll notice, though, in the exact same paragraph, the exact same word in the original language is translated turtle doves. And then later in the same paragraph, it's translated turtles. And so this introduces a very strong empirical evidence. There's no. There's no explanation for why the translators would translate it differently in the same paragraph. So you have to then jump off on this cockamamie idea that the two words are interchangeable, which they're not. The entomology is not the same. One is a reptile and one is a bird.

[Host]

So saying two turtles or two young pigeons, not turtle doves. So it's like, yeah, reptile with the shell or a pigeon is correct. This is bizarre, man.

[Engineer]

Which is an outrage. All right. Second Corinthians 11, 8. These are all universal. We're not confused by versions. And this is not a modernization because it's also in the King James and all the original ones.

[Host]

Ones it says, I robbed other churches, taking wages of them to do you service.

[Engineer]

All right, so of course, you can explain this away if you would like. It's Paul, right? Yeah. Paul is telling the church, your service to me was so over the top that, you know, you're giving to me is like I'm robbing you. That's basically what the commentary is telling you. Okay. However, I don't care about the underlying meaning. Okay. Because how far are you going to take that argument? This was never in our Bibles. Don't you know your Bible?

[David Lee Corbo]

John? Let me ask you something. So I was saying before that the Mandela effect, as we associate it with like, pop culture and things like that, is. Is a relatively new phenomenon. When do you think this started happening with the Bible?

[Engineer]

There are people that say it went back farther, but I do see a very sharp increase from Google Analytics around July of 2017, which, by happenstance is the exact month and year that CERN turned up its Haldron Collider to 100% for the first time.

[David Lee Corbo]

Interesting, interesting. Okay, so this is, this is bringing me to another question. When it comes to cern, when it comes to the Mandela effect, the reigning theory is that this is a, A timeline fracturing. And what you're describing here is much more in the vein of a deception to, I guess, erode people's faith in what they think is actually the word of God, when in reality it's scripture. Does this concept of the multiverse or anything like that, timeline fracturing and things of that nature fit into what you're seeing here?

[Engineer]

I am sorry, I didn't really understand the question. Could you restate it?

[David Lee Corbo]

So it seems like the answer that we're getting here is that if people are conflating scripture with the word of God, the actual word of God, then this could potentially erode people's faith. It could be a strong deception that's sent. But what I'm wondering is, since the overwhelming theory regarding the Mandela effect as it applies to pop culture is one of timeline variation, the multiverse and things like that is there because you just said cern and everybody says CERN is fracturing the timeline. They're creating alternate realities. Does that play into what's happening with the biblical Mandela effect?

[Engineer]

Yeah, because Revelation 9, verse 1 says, and the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven and unto the earth, and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit. Now, what's interesting is, according to different researchers, CERN was built on an ancient temple dedicated to Apollo. CERN was built on top of that. And so what you then have in Revelation, out of this pit where the key is given, we believe the key is cern, or the technology to create. CERN is the key that was given to the elite bloodlines to create this thing, because that's the prophecy. And then out of the pit in the book of Revelation comes Apollyon. The temple's to Apollo. So out of the pit in the book of Revelation, Apollyon comes out. So I very much agree that CERN and the D waves are involved in this. And my certainty on that is based on the research that Cliff High did, I'm not familiar. Everybody's probably heard of Cliff High because he's brilliant. He's not a. He's a. He's a Christ hater, but he's brilliant.

[Host]

We've done so much, so many deep dives on Cliff Eyes work. Specifically, the. Actually, our previous Bohemian Grove took place on the October 26th. That's the day that Trump went on with Rogan. And that was one of his pivotal markers.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Engineer]

So you've looked into his web bot, which is pretty amazing. He basically designed this. He's a linguist and a programmer, and he designed this spider to go out onto the web to try to get an edge on trading stocks. That was his motivation. But it turned out that his algorithms were smarter than he thought, and it started to return predictions for the future. And he found that people were. He called them psychic leaks.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Engineer]

And basically, I remember following them way back when, eight years ago. And he. He predicted that a lake in Peru would empty out overnight. I remember that was his first one. And so I just marked it down in my calendar. You know, there was no real timeline, but I'm telling you, as God is my witness, like, two months later, a lake in Peru emptied out overnight. And I was like, what? So then he predicted this other thing with a cruise liner with specific details that it would crash on the rocks, and. Exactly happened. And so I started buying a subscription. Well, long story short, use of flavored.

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[Engineer]

He pointed this Webbot thing at the D Wave computer. There's a number of them around the US and his. His web bot returned the data sets he calls them, which indicated that there was a much higher concentration of Mandela effect reports in and around the D Wave computer.

[David Lee Corbo]

I had no idea that these things could be localized. I thought it was just a blanket phenomenon that the world was experiencing. I did not know that there were a high. Higher potencies given specific location. I did not know that.

[Engineer]

Well, nobody did. I don't think anybody did. Until Cliff High turned his web bot and pointed it geographically. And I found that evidence to be compelling. And here's why. He then goes on to explain a little bit more how the qubits work. And I've also read the white papers. So essentially, if you're familiar with the two slit experiment where human consciousness affects the realm, basically it changed observer effect. The observer effect. Okay, so what with what they were finding was that people walked by the D wave, it would turn it off, it would, it would cause it to trip. So they had to figure out how to isolate. Listen to this. They had to isolate the qubit from human consciousness. So they dip, they drop this qubit down into a cylinder and then bring it down to zero kelvin. I don't know why that shields it from human consciousness, but apparently does.

[Host]

Right, a temperature, you're saying zero kelvin?

[Engineer]

Yeah, super freezing cold in the, in the cubits in there. And then that worked. Okay. But then they even had to go to these lengths where you remember that game Mousetrap, where you do something, then the ball would roll down the thing and it was just all this. Well, they have to create this really contrived system to give the D wave instructions or else human consciousness would mess it up.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, that's incredible.

[Engineer]

It's really bizarre. All right, so then, so, so then if you go back to the original finding, there's all of this concentration of Mandela effects reports in and around this. What is it? It's a black hole of human consciousness. Out from the black hole of human consciousness where no human consciousness is, you have the Mandela effects emanating out from there. And not only that, but you have this portal because the D wave, according to Gordy Rose, is flipping back and forth between the quantum realm. So you have a dimensional portal and a human consciousness black hole. And that's where all the things. I mean, like, that's powerful.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's like whether or not Nelson Mandela died in prison is entirely dependent on whether or not we're observing that moment in history. You know what I mean? Like, that's. Yeah, what that says to me. That's very strange. You know, Cliff high. He is.

[Host]

One sec, Dave. I just did it. Just a complete aside. I did a quick search on where the D wave computers are located. One in the one in Huntsville, Alabama specifically, is a hundred within 100 miles of the 33rd parallel. That's just another sing. Because I was like, I bet you. I bet you, you know, this is.

[David Lee Corbo]

On this thing, Cliff High, incredibly intelligent. And. And he is like, right there. But there's just like. He calls the elites the Elohim worship cult, which is not inaccurate, given that the Elohim seems to be a terminology used to describe the highest ranking of spiritual beings. God being the head Elohim, but still the angels would be considered Elohim. And then it strikes me as odd that he doesn't recognize that there was a falling away and that some of these Elohim are fallen and that the people who are controlling things do in fact worship them. But then he departs from that and goes, everything else is aliens and such. And I go, the. The overlap between these fallen and what we perceive as aliens is absolutely massive. But he's not bridging that gap. And he's also not leaving room for the nuances in Elohim. Those who are still in the glory of God and those who have fallen away. There's no differentiation there. And so it. To me, it's like a man of. Of pretty astounding intellect has just stopped being interested. Because if he was, if he didn't have some sort of confirmation bias going on where maybe he's pitted against the church or he's. He's burned by the church and. And goes, oh, yeah, yeah, they're worshiping the Elohim and. And you know, that's the end of it. If you didn't have that blockade, you might go a step further and be like, oh, they're worshiping the fallen ones. The ones who came down on Mount Hermon and took human wives and, you know, bore the Nephilim. And that. That just seems to be absent from his line of thinking. It's very strange. I always a little bit bummed out when I see somebody who I do regard as highly intelligent. And I go, yeah, why? Why are you not going that one step further?

[Engineer]

Well, same with Eric Dubay is a great researcher on flat Earth, but he's a Christ hater. And same with Cliff. You know, these guys are brilliant, but they're so dumb they can't go to the final conclusion. But. But that's simply because men would. Men would close with Christ if he was a whoremonger and a drunkard.

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[Engineer]

Kids Action Fund and a foul mouth liar. They would immediately accept his offer of salvation, but they know that it's a package deal. It's a two way deal. I'll. Jesus says, I'll give you everything, but you got to give me everything. You got to sell everything you have and buy the field which has the pearl. That's the deal. You got to give up your bosom sins. Okay, Because I'm holy, I can't deny myself. I'm sorry if. I'm sorry about your problems. Okay, you're fallen, but I've come to restore you to the Father. But here's the offer. Well, I thought salvation was free. Yes, salvation is free. Ephesians 2:8. So it is by grace, through faith that you are saved. It is not of works, lest any man should boast. The thief on the cross. Boom. One sentence and the guy got saved. So it's free to get in. But if you think for a minute that God came to save you in your sin, then you're deluded. He came to save you from your sin, so you have to repent.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, in the meantime, Cliff High's research does make for fascinating, you know, deep dives and things of that nature. I think there's really something to be considered there. And, and people think that it's just a probability machine. In fact, sometimes for palatability, I've described it as, you know, it's a probability machine, but. And then some, but the end then some is that he has discovered that certain words within the human language are charged with some sort of psychic energy, and that over a period of time, when that word emerges over and over again. I, I suppose there's a, you know, this is my really limited understanding of whatever Cliff I is doing, but they can surmise quite a bit of data from the psychically charged energy of particular words.

[Host]

Now imagine, because we're wondering, like, why would you change the word from giveth to, you know, from give to giveth? It just doesn't make any sense. But it's like perhaps that specific pronunciation or whatever it is, like the, the meaning behind this word being shortened, it can change because. Yeah, it's, it's working on his web bot is working on emotional language. And then it takes that and it garners the results of all the emotional language predicted throughout all these articles. And it'll give you a pretty damn close presumption on what's about to happen. So it's like changing a word here and there in the Bible. It doesn't change the word of the Bible, but it. Does it change this, I don't know, like the, the prediction, this metaph. Metaphysical prediction of the future that we can get from it. Like, is it that significant?

[David Lee Corbo]

Because there's, there's something that we don't understand about speech, about prophesying, about, about. You know, it's like we've been on this rabbit hole lately, John, of people interacting with these entities and these entities having telepathic abilities. And the same thing could be said about the telepathy tapes and the children that are experiencing telepathy. But we look at telepathy as profound and it, it's indicative of you being some higher being than a human being. But I don't think that's the case. I think that it's actually a restriction. I don't think that they can prophesy. I don't think that they can utilize the word. So many times. People will interact with these demons or aliens and they are struck with amazement because they are communicating with them telepathically. And I think that that actually is a handicap of sorts.

[Engineer]

No, I agree. I think you're right.

[David Lee Corbo]

We're at the hour and 16 minute mark and, and I do want to talk about something. I don't know if you're comfortable moving on. Yeah, but it was the notion of one of the books that you had written, and it's, it seems to serve as a guide for those who are, I guess, off the beaten path, those who are keyed into conspiracies and, and have a love for the truth and how that passion will affect your relationships with, you know, your loved ones, your friends, your family and things like that. Can we talk about that book a little bit?

[Engineer]

Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's pretty universal for all of us.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, it's something that I think everybody struggles with because when you find the truth. Even before, when I was talking about Cliff High's predictions, I said that I would, I would sometimes get a little reductive with it. I would say, yeah, it's a, it's a probability machine. And that's because when you have something that lies outside of the normal paradigm, it's interesting that information should drive a wedge between you and the people around you. I. I've experienced that myself. I've been into this for a really long time, and since I was a teenager, and when you're a teenager, everybody just wants to party and drink and. And kind of. And I was obsessed with something totally different, and it ostracized me to a large degree. It concerned my family, it concerned my mother. It pushed my friends away. And I'm certainly not alone in that. Seeing as how your book serves as a sort of a field guide, what then are you advising people to do if they should be onto this information?

[Engineer]

Okay, well, you can download my book. It's called the Conspiracy Theorist Survival Guide. It is available on Amazon if you want a hard copy, but the. You know, the free versions on Wake up or Else, or altered bible dot com. And it's a. And so just to summarize, you know, there's really seems to be two categories of people walking around. You've got what we lovingly call normies, and they actually name themselves that. Like one of my children told me, dad, I wish you were normal. So what does normal mean? Well, normal means that you comply. And you. You know, that's the opposite of the truther. So what happens is, most of us, in one way or another, were sailing along as a normie, until one day, God sprinkled pixie dust on your head and tapped you on the shoulder and said, hey, did you notice that the Federal Reserve isn't federal? Or you noticed that there was some anomalies around the moon landing? Or somebody pointed out and you were like, what? You had the correct response to become inquisitive. And so it is at that moment that you're essentially born again. Okay? This is when you become converted from normie to truther. The quintessential characteristic is that you begin to question officialdom. Somehow the central planners are experts at getting us to shut off our brain and accept the program, just like in the Matrix. The Matrix told a story about how they kept rejecting the program, so they had to redo the program to get them to accept the program. Well, you, Truther, have said, I got off the bus. That's what I kept telling my wife before she divorced me after 24 years of marriage. And let me make it very, very clear to people who want to try to pick on me. I begged her on my knees not to break up our family. And she told me, I don't want to be married to you. We're in two different worlds. I can handle everything, but I can't handle Your beliefs. So don't lecture me that I could have done more. Because after. After eight years, I have hundreds of people that I personally interacted with who have been divorced by their spouses.

[David Lee Corbo]

Covid did that, by the way. John. Yeah, A massive deviation in what you thought was happening during 2020. And I watched countless people struggle in their relationships like they had never had before.

[Host]

It was the biggest one. It's like, you have your kids, you know, you have a relationship for so long, and then all of a sudden your spouse wants, like, it's a black and white answer. Thank God that my. My spouse was on the. The right side of it, because, yeah, like, you know, if. If you have your wife all of a sudden, your kids, however old, and they're like, we got to get them vaccinated five times. And I'm like, absolutely not. And she's like, we have to. What do you do? There's no precursor for that. It's. It's unfair. It's really unfair.

[Engineer]

That one definitely was kinetic because it was no longer just two differing worldviews. This was pumping the monkey juice into my kid. And I'm. I'm saying no. And then, not only that, but if the spouse took the monkey juice and then the other spouse, like, I'm not getting in bed with you anymore. You're. You're a spreader, man. Get away from me. It was awful for people.

[David Lee Corbo]

People didn't put a lot of. So. So, you know, when you're. When you're waking up, you tend to be a bit of an alarmist. I certainly was when I was a kid and I was trying to show people this thing was coming and that thing was coming, and a lot of those things didn't come to pass. I think I was just a little bit ahead of the curve with much of the information that I was seeing. But there certainly is this ease of dismissal in the way of, like, these things aren't directly affecting my life. And so why even waste time? I have bills to pay, I have rent to take care of, and these things. And then all of a sudden, one day in 2020, they are directly affecting your life. And if you spend no time thinking about this at all, you are in a boiling pot.

[Host]

I love that answer. Where people, they go, what do you do for a living? And I'm like, I make racist T shirts and I do a podcast about God. And they were like, oh, I don't really like conspiracy. It's like, I don't really. You know, it's something I don't like to think about. I was like, well, guess what, man, it's thinking about you every day. It's looking directly at you. And yes, from 2020, it's not just looking at you, but it's pointing at you. Now it's like you, specifically you. And you're still in your living room. You're not paying attention to it. It's amazing. Like, how do you not looking at this thing? Why are you not trying to battle back or at least understand what it is like? But you know, people do their own thing.

[Engineer]

So what you're expressing right now is really the core shift of the truth is belief system that goes from living on a cruise liner to living on a battleship. You go to a war footing because you found out that the world is run by Luciferian blood drinking pedophores that are psycho mobsters and they want you dead. And your spouse is like, what?

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[Engineer]

What? And you become so tweaked about the danger and your spouse is really all about the happy life now. They're raising their kids. They might be going to church, but it's like you shift overnight to this warrior class Christian that's like on the mission. And you're like. And also, you know, we just, we refuse to be dragged around by the nose anymore, which is an insult. You know, I got blood in my veins. Don't slow kill me and expect me to clap for you. I'm not clapping for NASA like a trained seal. All right? Period.

[David Lee Corbo]

And my wife will still ask me to this day. She'll go, she won't ask me, but she'll comment on how impossible it is to watch anything with me. And she understands why. But every time she brings that up, I go on a tangent. And it's because the, the powers that be, they think that you are an idiot. And especially nowadays, everything is so poorly veiled that it really speaks to their opinion of you. It's that we can put this right in front of your face. And you are such an imbecile that you won't do a damn thing about it. You'll keep watching. You'll keep paying us and you will keep being entertain.

[Host]

And I get you to cut your kids dicks off. I bet you we can.

[David Lee Corbo]

Do you think we'll get you into. We'll get you into a polyamorous relationship. We'll get you into voting for open borders. We will get you to pave the way for all the horrors that we want to see implemented. You will be the mechanism by which these things will enter the world. And I cannot stand that.

[Host]

The one thing you missed, John, when you said you're telling your ex wife that these people, these pedophiles, blood drinking satanic elite want you dead. Yes, but there's a very important rejoinder at the end. And they think it's funny. Yeah, and it's. They do think it's funny. And you know what? I think it's funny too because I'm out of my goddamn mind. It's very funny if you believe it. It's. It's insane. Like if I was on the other side and I had no soul, I would think this is the most funny thing in the world. So maybe I'm deluded. But I do think it's hilarious that they're doing this. And people buy it. They buy it constantly.

[Engineer]

There's some crazy posts in the chat. I finally figured out how to see the chat.

[Host]

Oh, ignore them.

[David Lee Corbo]

Listen to me, John. They are called our fan base. Everybody has a tinfoil hat. What do they call their fan base? The Swarm. Our fan base is embrace the title of dangerous. They are all simultaneously wonderful, but also terrible people. And they say horrifying things.

[Engineer]

They say elohim right back at you, dog.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. You know what the worst is? They will change their name depending on how they're feeling that day. So. Oh, you know, oftentimes we have make.

[Host]

It something like this.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, all kinds of stuff. They just every. You don't even know who they are anymore because they change their name every time they show up. They're. They're terrible people, but we love them. Yeah, it's. It is. It's disheartening. It's disheartening. And I. I say I'm so glad that I went through it when I was a. A much younger man. Because if you had to go through it, you know, let's say like 2020 is a great example and you are an adult and you have a relationship and you have children and you have a career. I was Blessed to have gone through those things when I was living in chaos. I was, I was homeless. I had nothing to lose, actually. So it was kind of the perfect time to go through it. I. I did lose my relationships, and to this day, they really don't exist anymore. Except for my wife, who I don't know you, God bless her. I met her when I was 16 and I terrified her. I terrified her with all of the doom and gloom that I was seeing and explained. And somehow all these years later, she comes right back around and we're married now with a 10 year old.

[Engineer]

Nice.

[David Lee Corbo]

So I really, you know, God gave me the perfect spouse for, I guess, what I was going to end up doing. But I don't envy people, John, who, who just went through this, who just popped their eyes open because it doesn't make sense to lock down the whole world. And it doesn't make sense for everybody to just stop talking about Epstein. And it doesn't make sense for all these pedophile rings to get busted and nobody's talking about it. And then, you know, it spurs on a little curiosity and you do a little bit of digging. We're to the point now in history where you just do a little bit, you just scratch the surface and all of a sudden it's, you know, Lucifer. There's so much underneath it. If you just look a little bit. And that is the truth has a way of demanding your attention. And you can choose not to, in which case God will probably send you a strong delusion, but if you adhere to that, it's a never ending rabbit hole and it will send you into a spiral, man.

[Engineer]

Yeah, that's the thing. You, you know, it's a messy thing when you find out everything's a lie. And a lot of truthers do, you know, say too much and we freak out. But, you know, the spouse or the normie has a, an algorithm that is, I don't know and I don't want to know.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Engineer]

Which creates a real relational impasse because you're so tweaked about all these things you're finding out and it's exciting and, and I remember my wife saying, you're more excited about that than me. And I'm thinking, you know, that's normal. If you're in a burning building, you're supposed to be obsessed, right? That's the part they don't get. See, like, I'll give you an example. Chemtrails was a big one for me, because for me, the, the honeydew list on Saturday was like a religion. Okay? It was. It was so imperative that I was invested in it and. And wanting to do it. But I'm already in the truther mode. And I'm out on the front lawn and the sky is crisscrossed with chemtrails that's raining down aluminum particulate, barium salts, and God knows what else. And I'm like a husband and a father. My kids are running around under this rain of death. They're spraying us like bugs. And I'm pissed.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Engineer]

And I'm trying to convince my wife that it's. And of course I'm a crazy man and I'm disparaged. I become a pariah in my own home because I believe the truth. Well, guess what? Guess what? You just had a member RFK. On. On Dr. Phil is asked the question about chemtrails. Are you going to stop it? And his answer on. On Dr. Phil is, yes, we're aware of that, but we don't know who's doing it.

[Host]

Holy.

[Engineer]

We think it's darpa. Now, what that is, first of all, is an admission that chemtrails are real. Thank you. You want to.

[David Lee Corbo]

John, what's the governor of Florida's name? DeSantis just banned a bill banning it. How do you ban a thing that doesn't exist?

[Engineer]

So did Tennessee and so did Texas. Texas just sent cease and desist orders to the DARPA contractors. So this is disclosure is happening. All of you truthers, take a bow. You're great. You did a great job persevering. All right? And then UK just came out trying to get ahead of disclosure. They admitted that they're spraying us like bugs. Okay? So. So my point is that as a. As a truther, still, with my family, it was hell on earth because the. The. The normie. It's their way or the highway. So what happens is, initially they keep it light, but if you persist, then they start managing you. So they'll say things like, well, when we go to my in laws, I don't want you to talk about your crazy things. And when we're out in public, they're trying to manage you, but you're already toast. Okay? You. You're. You know, the sun in the sky is not even fake. It's a fake sun. And they're spraying the chemtrails yellow.

[David Lee Corbo]

It used to be yellow.

[Engineer]

Yeah. Yeah. And you're like. You're like. They're like, when are we joining the next vacation?

[Host]

John? I was. I was at a resort. Okay. And we're on the Lazy River. We go around one time and we stop at the mouth. My wife is a little further back, and there's a bunch of husbands. They're waiting, and they go, waiting for the wife. I say, yeah, I'm gonna see if she wants to go around again. And they go, yeah. You know, the wife runs. You know, she'll tell us what to do, right? And they all joke, and I go, do you know how many fucking lizard people are in this pool with us right now? And then they float away.

[David Lee Corbo]

There are lizards in the Lazy River.

[Engineer]

That didn't go well, I'm sure.

[Host]

Who cares? What does it matter?

[David Lee Corbo]

It doesn't matter anymore if they get to know me.

[Host]

Like, what, you want to have a real life relationship with me? I'm gonna say crazier stuff than that. So it's like, this is our basis. If you don't like this, float away, bro. This is a lazy. Feel free, bro.

[Engineer]

I did a talk. I did a talk called Help. I have more than 10 rabbit holes in my portfolio.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, my God. You know what, though? Know, if you're rooted in. In belief in God, these things are not horrifying. So people will often ask, like, how do you look at these things? Aren't they. You can't look into the abyss all the time. I'm like. Because I understand to a certain degree what's going on. I've gotten past the doom and gloom when I was younger, and I. And I realized that there is an. There's a plan unfolding. There's something divine happening.

[Host]

It's beautiful. It's.

[David Lee Corbo]

It is in many ways, it is beautiful. And it's honestly more entertaining than anything they're doing on Netflix. Netflix more entertaining. So when you go like, you're obsessed with it, I'm like, this is the most well written, exciting, and unbelievable that anybody's ever seen. If you could just detach from fear. From fear. That is the main thing.

[Host]

This is the main thing.

[Engineer]

And.

[Host]

And again, I hope the Bible hasn't changed this since the last time I read it, but it says fear not a whole bunch of times. Like, don't be afraid. Fear not. I think that that's one of the main messages in the Bible that we should be taking from. This is what we do. We do a lot of stuff that we probably shouldn't do. Not like stupid things or dangerous things or things that'll hurt people, but things that are like. Like, if they said, you know, leave your job in New York City, that was a state city job. Go Start a T shirt company and a podcast and move your family out. I'd be like, that's crazy. But I was kind of, like, called to do it, and I was like, it's scary, but fear not. Whatever, we're gonna do it. And here we are doing our third live event somehow, like, successfully with this, because it's just like, we're moving forward. We're following, I guess, what the Holy Spirit is telling us what to do, and I'm not really afraid we know how it ends. Like, we're just moving forward.

[David Lee Corbo]

I want to share something. I know we're coming up to the end here, but I want to share something with the audience that I kind of realized the other day. So. So everybody knows that I've been obsessed with this stuff for a long time. And when you are, it makes it very difficult to, like, live a normal life. And eventually you have to sort of, or at least I did drop all these things, my 10 rabbit holes, at any given time and go, these. These things aren't serving me right now. I have to get along. I have to get into the workforce. I have to get an apartment. I have, you know, eventually met my wife and had a son and had to put these things to the side to some degree. But what I found is that, you know, God has a plan for you, and that path, if you just give in, will open up for you. And it's not that it's easy, but, like, things just open and. And the path exposes itself and you get moved along as long as you're willing to give in to whatever God wants for you, not what you want. Now, if you should pursue what you want, that is also achievable to some degree. But I think that it. It. There will be signs along the way that show you that this is going wrong. So the example that I'm going to give is when I was younger, nearly.

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[David Lee Corbo]

You know, I was out of the workforce, didn't go to school for anything. High school dropout, yada, yada, yada. Eventually, because of my wife and my son, I got into a field that I didn't want to be, which was welding, And I made a career out of it. And I got to the point where in one of these jobs that I was holding for welding, I went from being the low man on the totem pole. I worked my ass off. I honed my skills, I talked the talk. I did everything I was supposed to. I went above and beyond, and I became the shop foreman, and I got paid very well for the first time in my life. And as previously being homeless, I thought that I was doing the right thing, despite the fact that every job that I've ever held has called me away from it and called me towards this, which is not good to, you know, basically, look your wife in the eyes and be like, yeah, I know I lost another job, but I'm supposed to be doing something different. Podcasting is what I'm supposed to be doing. And God bless her, she never even pushed back against me, which is insane. But I decide that this time, I'm just gonna do this thing. I become foreman. I. I make a whole bunch of changes in the small business that I'm working for, and they pay me incredibly well because of it. And I have on the horizon what looks to be a very promising career as a. As a. As a. A metal fabricator. For some reason, I got cancer, and I. I ended up having to get surgery. I lost a testicle. I got influenza. I got pneumonia. I got a collapsed lung, and none of it made any sense. I. I'm moving towards this thing. My life is getting better by the average man's measure, and yet I'm faced with all these things. But more than anything else, that voice that calls me to be a podcaster would not shut up. Why? I'm making good money. I'm. I'm now the. The high man on the totem pole. My job respects me. I'm about to carve out a beautiful life for myself. But I know that I meant to do something else. And long story short, I decide I'm moving to Florida. Anybody with a good career, I mean, top you, you've been there, right? You have this good career. People would kill for you, Worked your ass off to get there. Why am I mo Florida? Why am I leaving all this behind? And I do it anyway, And I come here and I get a job in welding to get myself some stability as I get up on my feet and it works out really well. I make good money. I work for wonderful people. Yeah. And one day, they shut the doors on me. And when they shut the doors on me, my boss came to me and said, we got to let you go. But he's got tears in his eyes, and he's telling me that I have something that I'm meant to do. And he's saying, don't go back into work yet. Take a chance. Try to hammer this thing out. I know this is rough because you're losing a job, but try to do what you're doing, because I see it as very promising. And I take his advice. I told. I go to my wife. I say, hey, you know me. I can get another job like that. I'm very tenacious like that. I'll go and knock on doors all day long until I get a job. I've had more than the average person, which is not really anything to be proud of, I suppose. But I say, I want to take a chance. And she's got a job. She makes a little bit of money. It's enough to keep the lights on and keep food on the table. And she goes, yeah, do it. I'll keep working for us. And you figure it out. One year later, I'm making more than I ever have. And the impact that I'm having on people by just talking about God, just exploring these ideas and pursuing the truth on this show has seemingly done more for people spiritually than I ever could have hoped to do for anybody. Well, awesome. And it's now very obvious to me that this is what I'm supposed to do.

[Engineer]

You.

[David Lee Corbo]

And so the point is, you can go against God's plan for you, and you can be a hard worker, and you can be tenacious, and you can go above and beyond, and you can carve out a path for yourself. But there, I think, will be things along the way. Maybe cancer, maybe you'll lose a nut. Maybe a million things will happen where God is shouting in your ear, hey, dummy, I know you're proud of what you're doing, but this isn't what I had planned for you. And the second you decide to do that, I haven't been sick. I haven't been sick in a year. I was sick every year. The flu, strep throat. Every single year since my son was born, all of a sudden I do this, and it's just done. I'm not sick anymore. I. I'm. I'm doing something that the voice isn't screaming at me anymore. And so, yeah, I Just wanted to share that with people because it is interesting. You can make your own way. But is that really what it's supposed to be? Or is it supposed to be what God has planned for you?

[Engineer]

It's great. Word. I was going to say before you started that testimony that the thing that drives the truther is they get in touch with their destiny. That's exactly what I was going to say. And you stole my thunder, baby. I mean, it's totally what drives us because we were asleep. And then you wake up to the world as it is. It really is. And another thing I realize is that becoming a truther means you no longer love the world. Yeah, I never really put those two things together until recently. Love. Not the world or the things. Otherworld. Well. Well, the normie loves the world's narratives and clinging to them. And you. You say, no, they're evil and they're. They're fake. And you get in touch with your destiny just like you were just saying. That's what drives us.

[Host]

It's powerful.

[Engineer]

Right?

[Host]

It's like his. Yeah, that idea of, like, shedding, like, shed. Shed the. The physical things of the world, it's like. Well, what does that mean? It's like. Well, all the now, like, I'm able to look at it and say, no, this is. I don't. It's not even that I'm gonna ask myself to not want it. Like, I literally do not want to take part in what they're doing.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right.

[Host]

Man.

[Engineer]

Never messes you up. Becoming a truth. Or you can't, like, you mentioned movies. You can't watch the movie and get suspension of disbelief anymore. You can't, like, give yourself over to the career thing and the. The. The thing that the world used to have, that Beach Boys fun. It's fun seasons in the sun feeling, and you're just like, oh, it's like, disgusting there. Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

Disgusted in very many. I cannot watch a thing without seeing what they're pushing on me.

[Engineer]

Exactly.

[David Lee Corbo]

You know what I said it's.

[Host]

You know what, though? Like, so, yeah, I can't go on vacation anymore and enjoy that, like, meaningless drink by the beach. But conversations like this, yeah, it gives me the. That, like, spark that. It's like that crack cocaine that.

[Engineer]

I got no apologies either. I got no apologies. I love the truth, okay? I'm guilty. I love the truth. And I don't like being slow killed and deceived. And I'm pissed off, okay? That's the problem with the normies. They're not pissed off. They're supposed to be pissed off. They're, they're spraying you like bugs. Now we know it. They took 21 trillion. Here's another huge disclosure. Catherine Austin Fitz on, on Tucker Carlson Mainstream. Oh yeah, we did a two year research and we found that there was 21 trillion unaccounted for that was used to build underground cities. And Tucker's like, what did you say?

[Host]

That's the national debt, dog.

[Engineer]

Right? Yeah, well, 34 trillion, but still three quarters of it. And so what we're watching is it's raining red pills and you think, oh, of course my Normie, loved ones are going to wake up. Guess what? The disciples asked Jesus, Lord, what's it going to be like in the last days? And this is what he said. Well, they'll be eating and drinking and giving in marriage right up until the time the flood came. They're going to figure out how to stay, Normie, right up until the end.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, they will. I believe that now.

[Host]

And God bless them. God bless him. It's, it shows like the, the extravagance of humanity. You know, you could, you could shut down, you can shut down the world for six months. And like I watch it, I guess I watch the people like ants sort of. And, and it's shut down and they rebuild their culture and the society as if nothing just happened. And something is really beautiful about that, right? Like, even though it's disastrous, but I'm like, look at these guys.

[David Lee Corbo]

They couldn't even like, like you couldn't.

[Host]

Find glass for windows of new houses because everything was shut down. But they're like, you know what, it's back open again. Forget all that. We're building houses.

[David Lee Corbo]

They were to apply that tenacity to a love for God, then that's where the beauty kicks in.

[Host]

But that's what humanity is, right? That humanity is that it's like, like the persistence of continuance. But it's just, it's aimed in, in a really stupid direction right now. But, but if you could aim that in this direction of beauty, of truth, which is logos, that's the word, the truth speak. I mean, imagine what it could be. But obviously, you know, the Bible says that it's never going to be that way. You're never going to have that here. Well, yeah, until, until the time comes. But it's just like, I think that's why, I think that's why the fallen hate us, humanity, because we have that ability in us. There is something beautiful about it. Even though when obviously we're looking at it it's retarded.

[Engineer]

But.

[Host]

But there is a spark of divinity, of beauty to rebuild, to be in the face of. In the face of like clear disaster. You have been sabotaged every way.

[David Lee Corbo]

You know, that's it. We. We have that ability to rebuild what we love. We just love the wrong thing.

[Host]

Yeah, I think.

[Engineer]

All right, so Mac, Mac tonight said he. I remind him of Seinfeld, right? And I get that all the time. But he also said I have a horsey face, so understand, Mac. God had to give me this huge brain, so he had to fit it in this skull so I could, you know, change the whole world, you see?

[David Lee Corbo]

So you have to forehead, baby.

[Engineer]

Yeah. Forgive my big long head. It's just what I got. They can't mess with that one.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, listen, John, I want to thank you for your time. This is a wonderful conversation. We were going to get it done the other day and one thing led to another. We couldn't even contact you because Twitter went down and that's where your email address was. It was a whole. Oh, but I'm glad that we were able to get it done. I want to thank you for your time. And as we bring it in, just one more time, where can everybody find your work? John?

[Engineer]

Yeah, yeah, mostly YouTube. We do live streams, usually a couple a week on the weekends, but that's at Wake up or else all one word over on YouTube. And we, we broadcast to YouTube rumble and X simulcast, usually Fridays and Saturdays at 7:00pm Eastern. But my, my content is on YouTube and then of course wakeup or else.com and our outreach website is alteredbible.com go download the free books and check them out.

[David Lee Corbo]

Very nice.

[Host]

Absolutely. All this stuff will be in the description for these guys to go and follow. Thanks, man. Thanks again for the interview. This was, this is a lot of fun. I love when it like I, I listen to your stuff a bunch and so I've heard. I'm familiar with the Mandela effect stuff, but we like to explore like maybe some new things and just get into a conversation. I, I feel like we did that here today. So hopefully people will listen to this interview and get something different out of it than, you know, the other ones that you've been on, man. Thanks for coming on, man.

[Engineer]

My pleasure. This was great. Where can I see this? When will it be available? Because I'll repost it.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's going to be available almost immediately on our RSS feed. Immediately. It's like a couple of days. But then after some time we're going to release it on our rumble and and our YouTube. So we'll shoot you a bunch of links and stuff when it's done, and that way you can, you can share it out.

[Engineer]

All right, thanks, guys. Thanks, you guys listening? Appreciate it.

[David Lee Corbo]

Thank you, guys.

[Host]

That's it. Don't forget to obey, submit, and comply. We'll catch you guys later.

[Engineer]

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[David Lee Corbo]

The bigger picture of processes.

[Engineer]

And they have.

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