209: Paranormal Gaslighting & Pyramid Symbolism w/ Wesley Roth

Summary

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Nephilim Death Squad – Episode 209

"Paranormal Gaslighting & Pyramid Symbolism w/ Wesley Roth"
Date: September 6, 2025
Hosts: TopLobsta and David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Guest: Wesley Roth (Dark Holler Studios, filmmaker of The Meadow Project)

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Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into the interplay between the paranormal, biblical mysteries, and conspiracy theory, with a focus on "paranormal gaslighting," the symbolism and purpose of pyramids—especially the Great Pyramid of Giza—and how ancient structures might represent encoded messages from God. Wesley Roth returns as a guest, bringing insights from his documentary work and recent research suggesting the Great Pyramid as a monument to Yahweh, not simply a pagan or satanic symbol. The discussion is lively, critical, and rife with biblical, historical, and esoteric connections.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Meadow Project, Fieldwork, and Paranormal Gaslighting

• Behind the Scenes at the Meadow (08:13–11:49):

  • Wesley talks about the physically and mentally taxing fieldwork for his documentary, recounting nights of little sleep and strange, unsettling experiences.
  • The Bigfoot Footage Debunk: What appeared to be “Bigfoot” was a trick of light and shadow—"the shadow of a log"—which was at first emotionally impactful for those present before being debunked. (08:13–08:39)
  • Strange Handprints: "Their fingerprints [on the car] were twice the size of mine...something strange. It looks like fur matted down." (14:13–14:39)

• Paranormal Gaslighting (20:03–22:41):

  • The group discusses how prolonged exposure to anomalous phenomena often leads to confusion, self-doubt, and intergroup strife—akin to "paranormal gaslighting."
  • Wesley: "It’s like paranormal gaslighting. It makes you feel crazy, so you act crazy. That matches the blueprint, the playbook." (21:16–22:17)
  • Horror movies like The Ring and Smile are referenced as analogs for this psychological breakdown.

2. Trickster Phenomenon and the ‘Trickster’ Element in High Strangeness

(15:26–17:37)

• "A trickster kind of thing"-- referencing how unknown forces often seem to toy with witnesses (e.g., moving objects, leaving subtle clues).
• Phenomena, whether at Skinwalker Ranch or in biblical stories, are often “trollish,” inducing not terror, but calculated confusion and division.
• TopLobsta: "They want to create a strife or an argument…that’s the easiest time for them to insert themselves…"

3. Personal Accounts: Spiritual Protection and Trolling Phenomena

(19:03–20:50)

• TopLobsta describes a nocturnal encounter with a negative presence, deploying prayer as spiritual protection, resulting in a sensation of relief and the dissipation of the experience.

4. Connections between Physical Phenomena, Mold, and Spiritual Energy

(23:54–24:40)

• Discussion of black mold as a conduit for negative energies—connecting themes from Resident Evil 8, Archive 81, and folklore about mold, parasites, and demonic activity.
• David: "What if all demonic possession is just like, you know, mold sickness? And then I said, what if all parasites and mold are actually an energetic conduit that conducts negative spiritual energy?" (23:39–24:13)

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5. Pyramid Symbolism: Ancient, Biblical, and Esoteric Meanings

(33:51–101:32)

Reframing the Pyramid

• Wesley: "I don't subscribe to the idea that there is any satanic symbol...symbols get hijacked and co-opted." (33:51–34:16)
• Argues the Great Pyramid isn’t a monument of evil or New Age technology, but "the original monument to Yahweh." (35:41)

Key Evidence & Biblical Correlations

• Isaiah 19:19-20 referenced as scriptural backing that the Great Pyramid is “an altar to the LORD… and a monument… at the border of Egypt.”
• Hebrew numerology of the verse (42:03): The sum of the Hebrew letters in those verses equals 5,449, “the exact height in pyramid inches of the pyramid.” (42:17)
• Locational Symbolism: Giza sits at the center of Egypt, on the border between upper and lower kingdoms; “Giza” means “border.” (41:17)
• Pyramid’s alignment with the equator and prime meridian (43:02), marked as the center of Earth's landmass.

Measurement and Mathematical Enigma

• The Pyramid Inch: A special unit (one inch plus a human hair) used for sacred measurements and encoding.
• Stones and features within the pyramid (notably the semicircular “boss” stone) encode biblical numerology, particularly the number five—a symbol of God’s grace.
• David: "That's a very peculiar unit of measurement." (42:41)

Spiritual Blueprint: Pyramid as a Physical Gospel

• The pyramid’s inner architecture symbolically maps to the timeline of biblical salvation history:
  • The “downward trajectory” mirrors the fallen human state.
  • Ascending passages mark pivotal events (e.g., Moses choosing his identity, the Law, and Christ’s resurrection).
  • Intersection points correlate with key biblical dates (e.g., 1486 BC—Moses’ renunciation of Egypt; ~30 AD—crucifixion of Jesus). (67:20–69:19, 94:00–96:41)

Astronomical Alignments

• Shafts and passages align with celestial bodies/constellations significant in biblical lore: Tubin (Alpha Draconis), Columba ("Noah's Dove"), Sirius (Lion's Gate), Mizar ("Linen Wrap"), Ursa Major ("resurrection"), and Orion ("heaven’s light"). (65:23)
• The pyramid’s layout encodes the timeline and prophetic symbolism, acting as an astronomical marker and a prophecy in stone.

Names & Symbolic Layers

• Book of the Dead: The pyramid is called Pachanak ("House of Enoch"), Kuti ("Light"), and by Chaldeans as "Revelatory Measures." (49:35)
• The timeline within the pyramid mirrors "the entire story of the Bible told from start to finish." (49:26)
• The Queen’s Chamber: interpreted as a "holding spot for Israel," reflecting the church as the bride of Christ (96:37–97:39)

Capstone Symbolism

• The missing capstone symbolizes Jesus Christ—the "stone the builders rejected." (110:48)
• The pyramid as the “entire gospel told in physical form.”

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6. Cultural Afterlife of Symbols: Inversion and Reappropriation

• The popular association of the all-seeing eye and pyramid with evil is a late, inversive development—a hijacking by occult or secret society symbology.
• David (reflection): "These are just symbols that are highly meaningful but co-opted and inverted—and maybe none greater than the pyramid, you know what I mean? The pyramid and the all-seeing eye has become the symbol of the...enemy." (99:52–100:22)

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7. Age of Aquarius, Cultural Change, and Biblical Timelines

(80:42–84:15)

• The group reflects on the evolution of collective consciousness aligning with astrological “Ages.” E.g., Age of Pisces aligning with the Christian era; Age of Aquarius coming.
• Noting a palpable cultural shift post-2012 ("the end of the Mayan calendar"), they connect a sense of “barreling toward something big” to both cosmic events and biblical prophecy.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “We are being hypnotized by people like this…news readers, politicians, teachers, lecturers. We are in a country and a world that is being run by unbelievably sick people…The chasm between what we are told is going on and what is really going on is absolutely enormous.”
  —Wesley Roth (01:36–01:49)

• "It's like paranormal gaslighting. It makes you feel crazy, so that you act crazy. That matches...the blueprint."
  —Wesley Roth (21:16–22:17)

• "I don't subscribe to the idea that there is any satanic symbol...symbols get hijacked and co-opted."
  —Wesley Roth (33:51)

• “If you add [the Hebrew letters of Isaiah 19:19–20] together, the sum equals 5,449—the exact height in pyramid inches of the pyramid.”
  —Wesley Roth (42:17)

• “The pyramid is...the entire story of the Bible told from start to finish.”
  —Wesley Roth (49:26)

• “The capstone was never there. It was the stone the builders rejected—which is Jesus Christ, the golden capstone.”
  —Wesley Roth (110:48)

• “Maybe they're not as nefarious as I've become comfortable with.”
  —David Lee Corbo (120:36)

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Important Timestamps

• [08:13–10:54] – Behind the scenes exhaustion of the Meadow Project’s fieldwork; “Bigfoot” incident and debunking.
• [14:13–14:39] – Discussion of anomalous handprints and continued trickster phenomenon.
• [20:03–22:17] – “Paranormal gaslighting” and its psychological impact.
• [33:51–43:47] – Re-evaluating pyramid symbolism; numerological and geographical arguments for divine encoding.
• [65:23–69:19] – Pyramid alignments with stars; the timeline mapped onto the Pyramid’s passages.
• [80:42–84:15] – Astrological ages, consciousness shift, and biblical prophecy.

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Concluding Thoughts

Wesley Roth’s scholarship and speculative insight challenge the trope of the pyramid as an inherently pagan or occult totem, instead arguing for its biblical origin and encoded divine messages—mathematical, astronomical, and spiritual. The pyramid stands, in this reading, as a literal “altar and monument to Yahweh” (Isaiah 19:19-20), and the “greatest surviving wonders of the world” may await a final revelation rather than the confirmation of the conspiracies stacked upon them.

The episode concludes on a note of humility about the limits of modern understanding, the dangers of simplistically inverting sacred symbols, and a sense of awe at the possibility that ancient monuments still contain messages for the seekers of today.

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Find Wesley Roth:

• X (Twitter): As mentioned during the episode
• Watch for "The Meadow Project" VOD release (Late September)

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Transcript

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[Wesley Roth]

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[Top Lobster]

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[Wesley Roth]

A world that is being run by unbelievably sick people. The chasm between what we told is going on and what is really going on is absolutely enormous.

[Top Lobster]

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[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Some are aware that the government releasing poison welcome back ladies and gentlemen to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad. I am David Lee Corbo AKA the Raven, that is Top Lobster, the father of disinformation. Before we get into today's guest, a little reminder. Sometime around the 30 minute mark, we're going to go live exclusively to patreon.com Nephilim Death Squad. You can continue enjoying this show, engaging in the live chat, gaining early access to episodes before they are released. Early access to discount. I mean, I'm sorry, Bohemian Grove.

[Top Lobster]

Well, discounts for sure. Yeah. Well. Yeah, that'll be tonight.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Well, I had to take it back because I go. I don't know if he's gonna do it. I don't know if he's gonna put this. I've been coaching [e-mail] saying I will. Well, he says he will. So if you go to patreon.com you could also look forward to a little discount code off of merchandise from top lobster.com and all the super dope designs that we have up there, scroll down. Let's pick a new one to look at. One all the way at the bottom. There is one hiding down there. I do like the little seasoners. We were talking about that. Let's highlight the little. For all the little seasoners out there that be getting mad.

[Top Lobster]

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[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

We still love you, baby. And we got a T shirt for you for all you little seasoners out there. All right, Top lobster dot com. Ladies and gentlemen, let's get into today's guest, the return of Wesley Roth. Wesley, my friend, good to see you. Thanks for coming back. Before we get into the conversation, tell everybody what you do, where they could find what you do.

[Wesley Roth]

I am a filmmaker. I work with Dark Holler Studios. We just put out the Meadow project, which I'm sure some of you guys saw. And it's gonna be released video on demand later this or. Well, late in September.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Late in September. Yeah, that's right. Because we were doing that interview with Trey Hudson and I wanted to be able to tell people where they. So they don't. They. They can't gain access to it right now. Right. Not until it's okay. Okay. When it's released again. Did you see that episode that we did with Trey?

[Wesley Roth]

I sure did.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

And what did you think? Did you think. Do you think that Trey is a fed?

[Wesley Roth]

I think he worked for the federal government, but outside of that, I don't know. He doesn't. He doesn't strike me as one. It's funny that he works in intelligence because he just seems so genuine and forthcoming with everything he talks about that I was like, you'd Be like, the worst spy, because you'd be like, you know, it's really cool. I'm a spy because I'm a good person, that I'm a spot. And they're like, sure you are. So maybe he's a great spy.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Well, I really enjoyed talking to him. One of the things that he said, he's so cool. He is super. And he knows a lot. Dude. Well, I mean, he knows a lot, given his. His background.

[Top Lobster]

He worked in intelligence.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

He worked in intelligence. He's very intelligent. And also, you know, it's. It's interesting because I think one of the questions we asked him early on, it's like, do you think it's any coincidence at all that you got involved with this sort of phenomenon that's taking place at the meadow, given your background? And he also was like, it just seems that people who are into this sort of thing get drawn to these sort of things. And. And I think that very much, like, hits the nail on the head when it comes to Trey.

[Wesley Roth]

Yeah. I think I, like, I genuinely think that the. This person's a Fed because they worked in this or that is kind of overblown. It's kind of like grifter. Like, everybody's a grifter.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah.

[Wesley Roth]

And everybody's a Fed. There are so many people that work in that field that they only specialize in the thing they specialize in. They have no other, you know, inside knowledge that, you know, that they might not know things that regular people know just because they're so busy with the thing they're busy with. And it's very fixated on, you know, whether it's Iraq or whatever it was for the past 20 years that would you say, well, what about Homeland? They're like, I don't know anything about the homelands. I don't know anything about the Patriot act or whatever, you know.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, everybody's got their own little area of expertise. We learned recently on an episode that we shot with someone behind the scenes, they divulged to us that they're part of, like, this group chat of other content creators.

[Top Lobster]

Oh, this was fun. This was very good about this.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah. And. And he's basically like, look, you can't blame people for their opinions. And. And, you know, I'm going to say that first, and then I'm going to tell you that there's a whole group chat of all these content creators who think that we're Feds. And I. I think really what it is. And I'm not trying to. I'm trying not trying to knock anybody at all. I'm just saying exactly what a fed would say. I'm just saying that it's easy to. Well, not easy. It's.

[Top Lobster]

It's.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

There's a level of difficulty to turning the mic on and sitting in a chair and. And turning the camera on and, you know, espousing some crap, and then there's an additional layer of difficulty to putting it on the Internet. But then there are continuous layers, and I think the only thing that separates people that are doing this from people that are suspected to be feds are. It's just work ethic. I think that that's, like, the. The vast majority of the issue here isn't that people who find success, because that's the trope. It's like, anybody who finds success is a Fed, and it's like, maybe they're just working just a little bit harder than turning the camera on and sitting there. Like, it's. It's a. You know, just a little bit more, and, you know, it pays dividends.

[Top Lobster]

All right, stop running cover for the feds, Wes.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I got a question for you, dog.

[Top Lobster]

We want to know what happened at the end of the meadow. What was this? Explain this to us for the people who haven't seen it, who will watch it. Late September. Did he see a Bigfoot? Did he not see a Bigfoot? Is the relationship.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

He can spoil it. I mean, people haven't.

[Wesley Roth]

No, I can.

[Top Lobster]

I can talk about it.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Okay.

[Top Lobster]

All right. Is. Is Tony and Joel. Are. Is their relationship gonna make it? Is everybody talking about it?

[Wesley Roth]

Yeah. Better than ever. Better than ever. I honestly, like, I don't know. Like, I. I. I mean, I know what's there. What's in the. In the film where. With the two images overlaid, like, clearly, that shadow. What. It was. Like, it wasn't even a log. It was the shadow of a log, which is why when Joel went back at a different time of day, he couldn't see it.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I was wondering about that.

[Wesley Roth]

Yeah. And. And it's. It's. It's a dead ringer. Like, I. I looked at and was like. And I hadn't even gotten to the, like, debunking at that point. Like, I was just going through GoPro stuff for a long.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

What did you think when you. When you saw that. That initial. Because I. I thought I saw it, and I said, that looks like. Yeah, it looks like it was textured, like, hair and everything. Like, I was like, oh, dude, that's a Bigfoot.

[Wesley Roth]

Yeah. And, like. And I totally, like, with The. With the, like, the emotional fallout that came from it, which, like, I can understand somebody watching it being like, why are you reacting like this? But it's because you're not there experiencing it, and you haven't been out there for as many days straight. And like, I. We just shot a film in the last week of May, and I almost said where.

[Top Lobster]

This guy. This guy with his secret.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Full of secrets. He's full of secrets.

[Wesley Roth]

Listen, Tony has the right to say all these things. I don't. I can't be the one where he's.

[Top Lobster]

Like, why Tony doesn't watch this show. Don't worry about it.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

But.

[Wesley Roth]

But we were there for six days, and, hey, man, I slept all of, like, six hours that whole week. Because it's just back to back to back to back to back to back.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

And.

[Wesley Roth]

And it's not even, like, comfortable sleep. Like you're in a tent. Like, I'm 6 4, and I was in this tent, like, corner to corner because it was too big.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Oh, you guys were actually sleeping on the. Did you have, like, a cot or you're just sleeping on the ground with a sleeping.

[Wesley Roth]

Yeah, I mean, I had like, a pad, like one of those, like, mattress topper type pads, but, like, I was six inches taller than it, so, like, you know, but it just didn't matter. Yeah, and it was awful. Like, it would be freezing at night, like, literally, like 30 degrees. And so I'd sleep in all my clothes, but when I would wake up in the. Like, when the sun came up, it was 80 degrees.

[Top Lobster]

I'm geolocating you right now. Where is it? 30 degrees for the last six. Six days in a row. Yeah. Now we know, Wes.

[Wesley Roth]

Yeah, but it. It. I'll. I'll tell you this. It was in the north part of the Midwest.

[Top Lobster]

But you just told David something. You're talking about maps. I'm looking at his face right now. No idea.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

You know what I did? I. I feigned thinking. Like, when he said that, I looked up and I went like, dog.

[Top Lobster]

You could have told him the exact location. He'd be like, I don't know where that is. No clue.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I don't know where that is.

[Wesley Roth]

A lot of interesting. Like, if I said where it was, you could have been. You would think, well, there's three things you could have been shooting about. But three things.

[Top Lobster]

I have an idea. Have an idea. And I. It falls in together as well. I'm not going to say it, but I know.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I say it.

[Top Lobster]

I know where he's at.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

He's Got secrets to keep.

[Top Lobster]

You got secrets?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Unbelievable.

[Top Lobster]

I. I'm a good investigator. So.

[Wesley Roth]

No, the. The point is it is not like by the end of that week I was just mentally spent and.

[Sarah]

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[Sarah]

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[Sarah]

Could you be more specific?

[AM PM Advertiser]

When it's cravinient.

[Wesley Roth]

Okay.

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[Sarah]

I'm seeing a pattern here.

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[Sarah]

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[Wesley Roth]

Shot and everything affects you ten times worse.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

You.

[Wesley Roth]

I don't know like if you. It's camping but it's like really a lot of thought going into everything. A lot of like you're getting let down constantly. Like we. Things go wrong constantly and it just break beats you down. And then also there's really weird stuff happening that freaks you out. Like makes you uncomfortable. And so like I completely after I'll say this. Before I went on that trip I didn't understand and then after I went I was like I totally understand. Like I get it.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

100 why did things happen in the chronological order that they like they take place in the documentary? Meaning like did you have the whole Bigfoot situation?

[Top Lobster]

He's talking about a different documentary right now.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Well I'm talking about. I. I just wanted to bring it back to that for a second. Did you leave? Like was that actually the last sequence of events that took place on that trip and then you guys left?

[Wesley Roth]

Yes.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Damn.

[Wesley Roth]

Yeah, it was really like. Like that happened and they packed up and left and went to an Airbnb which is what the tag is where there's like the handprints on the car are, like, really big. Like, the. The fingerprints that they have are twice the size of, like, my fingerprint. Like, they're bizarre. And, yeah, there's something, like, strange. Like, I look at it and it's like, it looks like fur matted down to me. It sort of looks fabricy, but I don't. Also couldn't probably tell you the difference if you held them up. To me, it's just what my brain seas. It's like. It kind of looks like a fine fabric rather than, like, big, bushy hair. Like, it's not. The tendrils don't look quite as big. But, you know, some dogs have short hair, some bigfoot have short hair. I don't know. But it.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

It is.

[Wesley Roth]

And it's bizarre that, like, it happened over the prince that they had put there themselves. That was what really freaked me out. It's like, you could see their handprints, and these prints are over them.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Wait, wait, wait. They put handprints there themselves like that. Like, they just touched the car and. And left fingerprints behind.

[Wesley Roth]

And then their trunk the night before, closed it to get their bags out, went to sleep. Then they came out. That was like 7 or 8 in the morning that he was filming that. And the handprints are over it. You know what I mean? Like, it's. It happened between those times. So to me, that just puts the idea of, like, okay, this happened between the time they rented the car and the time they got up. Like, this is.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

It seems like a. A trickster kind of a thing. Right? I always go back now to, like, Nathaniel Gillis talking about the phenomenon and how it takes all these different forms. But if you look into places like the. The documentaries on Skin Skinwalker Ranch, I think I brought this up either in our last conversation, Wes, or in one with Trey where I was sitting saying there was a scene where some, like, you know, menial equipment went missing for a time. And then when it. When it manifested, it was in a treetop, like, so something had taken. And it was like a hefty piece of, like. I remember the way they described it looked like it had been dropped from an aerial pov because it just didn't make sense. Like, the arc that you would have to create to get it up into this tree. And it was like a lofty piece of equipment. But there is always this, like. Even with the. With poltergeist activity, which always take place, you know, in conjunction with this sort of a phenomenon, there's like a trickster element, you know, where it's like, why did I just shut all my cupboards? But they're all open again and it's like. It's not like the most horrifying crap, but it's like calculated and it's almost like it's trolling you. So the idea that it would leave fingerprints over pre existing ones, it just like adds a layer of confusion to the whole situation. That. That kind of to me seems on. On. On par.

[Top Lobster]

Well, yeah, it's like.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Or on brand.

[Top Lobster]

They want to create a strife or an argument.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

They.

[Top Lobster]

I don't know we're describing this kind of thing. So it's like you're physically weary and that's the easiest time for them to insert themselves for whatever it is to insert itself and just to cause some sort of division. Doesn't quite matter what it is, but just something. And we saw that in the film, which at first, like, when we first watched it, I was like, what the hell is Joel doing? But then we spoke to Trey and Trey's like, well, oftentimes the metal will manifest in a way that you kind of want to see it or in a way that it thinks that you want to see it. And then after that, you see kind of like this weird tension between Tony and Joel. And it's like, it's funny. It brings a little bit of levity. You're like, what the hell is going on in this situation? But.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

But you can tell it's not. It's not funny for them. And given what Wes just said about like, how many days in the forest sleeping badly. He's only getting six hours.

[Top Lobster]

Well, this is the secondary thing, so I could imagine. I mean, he's going to tell us about it, but I was telling you guys pre show last night, I had something weird happen to me where it's like again in the middle of the night. I wouldn't even call it a dream. Something. Something going on. And like, I immediately recognize, like I'm. I wake up and I recognize it as a lie, but it's something that.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

What are you talking about? What happened?

[Top Lobster]

I can't. I'm not gonna. What do you say?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

You can't. Everybody's got secret. I got secrets too, dude. I got secrets that I'm not gonna tell anybody either. No, you don't.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, I'll talk about it. I just. I haven't really made this season.

[Wesley Roth]

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[Top Lobster]

You know, sense of what it was or what even I did. Like, I'm not. I'm not the guy that's. That's like, well, I'm gonna start praying, saying Jesus in Jesus name.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

You started yelling around your house.

[Top Lobster]

No, I wouldn't. I wouldn't yell it, but I. Because, like, everyone's asleep. But I'm like. I'm saying it, and I'm like, I hope this is good enough in my head. Yeah, I'm using my telepathy.

[Wesley Roth]

Oh, man.

[Top Lobster]

It. Not. Honestly, it. It's not just that it worked, but there's a feeling that, like, I don't get this stuff ever. Yeah, there was a feeling of, like. Like, pressure off of my chest, and I was like, that was like, a complete farce, whatever it was that woke me up. And I was like, I know that that's a lie. And I just said, you got to get out of here.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Well, that's like. These things are, like, I'm saying, constantly operating in a way that, like, causes confusion and fear, and it's. It's strange. It's like it's trolling you. It's pressing you. Like, even the Bigfoot phenomenon where they're, like, throwing stones.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Like, what is that about? You can't really make sense of it either way except for, like, whooping. This thing is scre with me, which then lends itself to the idea of, like, a personality behind whatever it is, you know, because only a thing with a personality screws with you. Yeah.

[Wesley Roth]

And to your point about. Trey's point is. Yeah. It. It knew exactly where to push to cause that tension and let it stew just long enough to where they felt a little bit of, like, a little bit dejected and then completely leave the area and then take that exact same thing that caused the tension and rethrust it upon them, like.

[Top Lobster]

Yep.

[Wesley Roth]

Make it say, like, hey, like, to make you feel crazy. Like, it makes you, like, you've finally accepted, like, hey, we're. This happened. We feel bad about it. But, hey, we. You know, we did the job. And then it's like, nope, we're gonna make you feel even crazier. It's. It's like paranormal gaslighting. Sort of like, yes.

[Top Lobster]

Lighting. Name of the episode.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Paranormal gaslighting is a banger but that's what it's like.

[Top Lobster]

It's a good band name.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That is a really good band name. But, you know, it makes you wonder, like, is there a. Is there a deeper reason? Is it, like a loose thing? Are they, you know, sapping energy off you of this? Like, real extreme lows and then high highs, you know, Because I have to imagine they went on a real high high after seeing those fingerprints on the car.

[Top Lobster]

Probably. But, like, also, I mean, you've got. Listen, I don't know. I don't know these people, but you've got to.

[Wesley Roth]

Well, it's like. I disagree because it's like you've. You just caught the evidence that you saw some. That you thought you saw something and disprove it. And then this happens, and it makes you feel even crazier. Like, you almost don't even want to talk about it. Because you'd be like, well, what if we look at this under a microscope and it's something. It. Like it's some weird bird, like, crashed into. Like, there's, like, feathers or something. And you're like, oh, my gosh, what is that point? This is horror movie 101, right? Like, movies like the Ring and Smile and stuff, where it's like, something crazy happens. They affect you until people come around you, and then it's like, no, everything's fine. And then as soon as you're like, okay, everything's fine, they hit you again. And you go to your friends and family again, they're like, okay, we gotta have this person committed. Or they're literally losing it. And that's. That's how I look at. It was like, they're like. They're trying to make them great. Whatever it is, is trying to make them feel crazy so that they act crazy. And, like, it matches the. You know, the blueprint, the playbook.

[Top Lobster]

Honestly, after that, like, if I were. If I were Tony, I don't know the relationship, but I might be like, let me see your bags. Like, do you have, like, a big greasy hand?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Oh, my God.

[Top Lobster]

You know what I mean?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Going crazy. Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Because there is now that level of, like, suspicion. Like, you're this angry and you. Or like, you're this dejected and. And you've got to be like, it's. It's almost like. Like they want you to start accusing and poking the thing.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

This is.

[Top Lobster]

This is exactly what.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That's what happens in movies, right? In the movies. Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

It's what. It's what happened with. What happened with the. During Bohemian Grove. Like, you and your wife, I mean.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Oh, everybody's just like. Everybody starts going at each other. It's like a little like my wife and I, who never argue. We ended up arguing during the whole Bohemian Grove debacle. It's like there's a energy that. That pits you against each other. And that happens in the horror films, too, right? Like, the cast always starts getting at odds with one another. And it's weird how much Hollywood will, like, dis. They'll disseminate information in the minutia that goes right over your head. Like, you don't see it as significant. I'm playing. I keep telling you, I'm playing Resident Evil 8. And it was like all this, you know, nephilim shit in it. And one of the things that ends up poking its head up as a. As a really big element to the story is black mold. And I'm like, damn, dude. Like, they're telling you all of these. You know, this idea of mold keeps coming up. I was talking to Jamie Henshaw Dyer and. And it was like a comment on Twitter where somebody was saying, what if all demonic possession is actually just like, you know, mold sickness? And then I said, well, what if all parasites and. And mold are actually like, an energetic conduit that conducts, you know, negative spiritual energy?

[Top Lobster]

Well, I told you. I told you about my. I mean, if you watch the show, you probably heard as well. Right behind the wall here used to be the staircase, like, coming down. And when we had it removed to build this office, there was black mold. And that mold had to have been had residents in this house at the time. Especially the time when my wife got sick.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

And during that time as well, that's compounded with possible witchcraft. I. Like, it's crazy, but I think that these things work hand in hand. And I don't know what. I just don't know.

[Wesley Roth]

Have you seen archive 81 ever?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I. I tried to watch it, and I just don't have, like, a capacity to watch anything these days. But I hear a lot of good things about it.

[Wesley Roth]

The wherever the, like, demon in it is trying to manifest, it turns into black mold.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Like, yeah, something with the black mold. Look, somebody said F.J. fool said Blair Witch. Which, like, yeah, in the Blair Witch Project, they're all out in the forest and they're all getting, like, gaslit, like, by all these strange happenings that they're unable to confirm. And then, you know, before the end of the film, they've all turned each other. That's kind of wild when you start thinking about Tony and. And Joel's experience through that lens, honestly, that. That really puts it in a different focus for me.

[Top Lobster]

I wish. Yeah, man, I wish. I wish they would have.

[Wesley Roth]

I think the emf.

[Top Lobster]

I'm talking. I'm talking to the guy who. I'm talking to the guy who did the documentary, but I'm like, I wish they would have.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Well, because you probably.

[Top Lobster]

Storyline.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah. You probably don't think about that at all while you're out there. I wonder if they've even. I'm sure they've thought about the spiritual implications of being at. I don't think they were odds with you don't.

[Top Lobster]

You don't think of it because in the moment you're only seeing the one thing, especially now that, like, you're. The. The fatigue is on you. Like, when the fatigue is on you, you're not able to step back and look at the situation.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Wesley Roth]

And like, as far as the, like, storyline and it's. It's so, like, nebulous because you don't know how it's gonna, you know, plan. Like, there's always a contingency for, like, what if this place we're going to is a complete dud and it happens. So, you know, you have to have some sort of, like, we've got to get this. We've got to get this. We've got to get this. Like, to tell the story of why we're here in the first place. But you want.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

You.

[Wesley Roth]

You want to be able to say while we were there, you know, and a lot of times there is or you don't even realize until after, which there was a lot of stuff in Meadow that wasn't until after and stuff we didn't even end up including. Like, I'm sure you guys saw, like, there's a lot of focus on the spiral and the 0.33 and 0.66 micro receivers on the Geiger counter. And I was thinking about that. Can you guys hear that?

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Oh, yeah, sorry.

[Wesley Roth]

But the thing that came to mind with the spiral and the 33, and I was like, we have to go down this road in this film. We have to. And we ended up not just because we couldn't pull. Pull the information together was if I think of an upward spiral and the number 33, the thing that comes to mind is the Sisters of Laredo staircase.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I'm actually unfamiliar with that top.

[Wesley Roth]

Are you familiar with it?

[Top Lobster]

No, no. But I'm about to tell you something about the spiral after you're done here, but go ahead.

[Wesley Roth]

Well, this is fascinating. There's a convent in New Mexico called the Sisters of Laredo, and they had like a, a loft there for the choir to sing, but there was no staircase to get up there. They had like a, like a rope and pulley essentially to get people up there. And they were like, we need a staircase. So they looked and looked and looked for somebody to build it. Oh.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Oh my God. I've heard this. This is, this is really fascinating. Okay, I've seen this still. We're gon bring up an image of it here. Please continue.

[Wesley Roth]

Well, a man came and said he would build it for them. And they agreed to terms and everything. And he said, all I ask is that no one enter while I'm working. And I can't remember how long it was. It was an interesting amount of days numerically that it took him to build it. But it has like no nails, no glue. It's all self sufficient in how it like it uses gravity in a way that no other spiral staircase does.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

And very similar to what, what, what Troy is doing in the, in the kinetic sense. Like this thing. Somehow there's like no rivets, no nails or anything like that.

[Top Lobster]

Not Troy. Topher.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Topher. I'm sorry, Topher is doing. Yeah, Topher Gardner is doing with his, with his domes where they're like. There's this kind of kinetic energy where everything leans on itself and, and there's no. I mean, I'm gonna do a show.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, look at that. There's no risers. There's nothing at the bottom.

[Wesley Roth]

There's no center to. And the, the rail is added later. It had no rail. Somebody else.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

So there's no center pole. Yeah, it's all tension.

[Wesley Roth]

Yeah, it's all tension. There's 33 stairs, which is fascinating. And then the wood they've done. The guy brought his own supplies, but they never saw him bring them or take them. Nobody ever saw him to go to and from. He would just be in there during the day and then leave. And nobody ever saw him go. And he would only speak with them on like pre, pre planned kind of meetings. And they studied the wood. And it's a type of wood that is native to Northern. Well, there is no like one to one. The closest related type of wood is from northern Alaska, which is very wild for the time period.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

But there's no one to one been discovered.

[Wesley Roth]

There's no one to one. There's no exact match.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

So they're unable to determine what kind of wood and, and there thereby where it even Comes from. They didn't see him bringing. Oh, there it is. Actually railings.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

They didn't see him come and go with any supplies. And he arrives quite mysteriously. He also disappears quite mysteriously. And he doesn't accept payment. Correct.

[Top Lobster]

Dog. That's correct. Not dangerous.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Oh, that's super dangerous.

[Wesley Roth]

Especially for nuns. Right.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Like, you know what I love, though? I love, like, the OSHA aspect of things where OSHA is like, yeah, this miracular staircase is.

[Top Lobster]

Tear it down.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

It's going to need railings at the very least. You're going to have to put railings on it.

[Wesley Roth]

You'd expect they would have put a really ugly aluminum one. So I'm glad they didn't do that.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I'm glad they put something a little bit ornate. Yeah.

[Wesley Roth]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I just wonder about that, though, because I wouldn't have even. It's like, do you risk doing anything to this staircase? You can't even identify how it's holding itself up. You know what I mean? You like? I'd be like, I don't know if we're going to hammer anything into this. Seems a shame.

[Top Lobster]

So what's the deal with this guy? He just disappears after.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Never accepts payment.

[Wesley Roth]

That they said is he had a donkey. I don't know if that's 100% true. That might be.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

This is a Christian. I know. I was going to say joke. Gonna make a big butt joke. Unbelievable.

[Wesley Roth]

But it, you know, there's a lot of speculation as to who it was. A lot of people think it was Jesus. A lot of people think it was St. Christopher.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

And I love the idea that Jesus is that type of carpenter. Like a. Like a. Like a carpenter dude. Like, he's got wood secrets, you know, he's got carpentry secrets that you don't even understand. How this staircase. I love that. That would be dope.

[Wesley Roth]

I might be mistaken on this, but I think it's a type of acacia, which makes it even more interesting.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That's fascinating. Yeah. And then, of course, 33 steps, which is even more fascinating. I mean, man, as if it wasn't enough.

[Wesley Roth]

Imagine viral. Makes me like, oh, port. It's literally a portal to the next level. Like, it's an ascension to the next level. Yeah, yeah. And that's what came to mind.

[Top Lobster]

Look like short steps either. It looks like. Yeah. The mathematics on this is incredible.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Oh, yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Because you want. You'd want, like a certain rise and run. I've done staircases before. This is like how I learned. Well, carpentry, I learned, you know, building a little the first thing I built was a staircase, but the rise and run, I mean, it's okay. It's a little short for the rise, but. Damn. It's crazy. That is crazy. I was going to say, we just interviewed Sean Griffin of Kingdom in Context, and he doesn't like the spiral. He kind of like went off on us and he showed us a couple examples of Catholic churches that have. Have a spiral labyrinth. Yeah, spiral labyrinth before you can get into the sanctuary. And the idea is that, like, you're supposed to what, like, trap your intentions in there or your.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, it's interesting. Like, you're supposed to walk this because it's not a physical labyrinth that you have to pass through in order to, like, navigate. It's. It's like a imprint on the ground. You know, it's a design that's drawn on the ground, but you could walk it if you saw fit. And the idea is like, as you walk it, you meditate on, I guess, your many sins and transgressions. And then like, the idea is you leave them behind in labyrinth, but it flies in the face of. Of what, Jesus Christ. Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Jesus is on the cross right in front of you. But they're telling you, like, ah, but before you get there, you must do this thing. And then he compares it to the walls of Jericho and these type of cities, these fortress cities which were built. I mean, this is built in a circle and it's built in a spiral where the further you go in, the more traps there are. You're not going to get out and you're not going to get to the center where all the important stuff is. And it's like you begin to think about the symbology of what the spiral is and then the FBI logo for, you know, child.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Enjoyable.

[Wesley Roth]

Completely. Not on purpose, but this kind of does transition into the thing I. I'm on to talk about, which is I just symbols, certain symbols that a lot of people perceive as negative or evil or satanic. And first of all, I don't subscribe to the idea that there is any satanic symbol. There's symbols that are like. What's the word? Hijacked and.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, co. Opted.

[Wesley Roth]

Yeah, co opted is the right word and used to elevate lower entities to a higher position. And even the spiral, the triangular spiral is on the surface of Mars. Like there's a pyramid that is a spiral as it goes up. And if you look at it from the. The top, it's that symbol. There is something esoteric about it. I don't know what it is, but the pyramid itself, a lot of people like I during, COVID like really deep dived into the pyramids and trying to understand where they come from and the time period they're built, where they built like you know, 12000 BC or before that or, or what. And I'm, I'm was married to that for a long time. But in what I've been looking at lately, I'm starting to think perhaps not maybe not quite as old as we think, but still quite old. And what are they there for? Like, you know, you go to any kind of like new age shop, they're gonna have an assortment of pyramids you can take and light incense in or they're, you know, like orgone containers or whatever. They hold on to that and keep you close to it or whatever, vril all of that. And I'm sure that there's truth to that. But the, the origin of it I think is something much, much different. In fact, I think the pyramid is the original monument to Yahweh.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Oh.

[Wesley Roth]

And I can, I can go into that now if you want.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Well, I'm, I'm very interested in that. I know you bought slides. I can see them. So I didn't get a whole lot.

[Wesley Roth]

Of them because I knew you guys would have questions and it.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, well, he knew that we were going to interrupt.

[Wesley Roth]

No, I, I'm counting on it in fact, because I have not like practiced a presentation. I don't have it ready to go. This is just something I've been studying. I was like, I should probably make slides so that it can be visualized.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Well, I'm, I'm very much interested in it. But before we get there, we're at the, speaking of 33. At the 33 minute mark, we plan this. And so if you are a, a YouTube enjoyer, a rumble enjoyer, Twitter enjoyer, now you won't be for much longer. Go to patreon.com/now/ephilim Death Squad. Enjoy the rest of this episode. Engage in the live chat or you can wait about a week until the episode drops in its entirety. Bye bye guys. I was supposed to call them disgusting pores. Good bye. Bye Disgusting pores. Okay, so I guess let's. After Top is done with this, we'll, we'll bring up these. Well, I want to bring up these slides, but I was going to say that now you're clicking stuff and you.

[Top Lobster]

Know, it's kind of clicking away.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

So. So this idea that the Great Pyramids were the original just the Great Pyramid.

[Wesley Roth]

Just the center one.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Or, I'm sorry, pyramids. Okay.

[Wesley Roth]

The largest one, not the center one.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Okay. Okay. And. And what got you thinking that that was the case?

[Wesley Roth]

Well, it's. It's actually a pretty old idea. I think the first book about it being the symbol of Yahweh, the pillar to Yahweh, was written in the mid. Like, around the time of the Civil War, the American Civil War. There are a lot of, like, British astronomers that's. They're kind of the start of the, like, hey, these a lot. This aligns with the. With Orion's builds and all of that. That's when that all started to pop off. And there were a couple of books that came out that were like, hey, the measurements here are really interesting. And it's just built and built and built over time where people have started to put together new eyesights or insights. So that said, none of these, except for one, are my original research. I did find something really fascinating that I included in this, that I don't. I genuinely don't think anybody's ever looked at before. I don't think right ever in history. I could be wrong.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

You're not gonna keep it a secret?

[Wesley Roth]

No, I'm not. I'm thrilled to talk about it. I'm thrilled to talk about it. In fact, I might.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Should we bring up these slides then?

[Wesley Roth]

Sure.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

All right, let's toss that up on here. So what do you got? Architecture Egypt. Okay. This is the inside of the Great Pyramid bowling alley.

[Wesley Roth]

And I was looking for the. That, like one everybody knows from Encyclopedia Britannica. And I grabbed this and put it on there. And as I was working on, I was like, wait a second. There's not a sauna in there.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Unbelievable.

[Wesley Roth]

But I kept it anyway.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

A rhombus room. The kitchen and breakfast nook.

[Wesley Roth]

Yeah, I love that. The man. You got to go through all those places just to get to your bedroom. It's crazy.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

It sounds like a huge pain.

[Wesley Roth]

Anyway, so here's the origin. Isaiah 19, 19, 20. In that day, there will be an altar to the Lord in the heart of Egypt and a monument to the Lord at its border. It will be a sign and witness to the Lord Almighty in the land of Egypt. When they cry out to the Lord because of their oppressors, he will send them a savior and a defender, and he will rescue them. Okay, so that is kind of seems like standard scripture. However, the altar, I want to talk about that. The word for it is misbek, which is a place of sacrifice and offering. While there's never been any evidence in the Great Pyramid that there was any sort of blood sacrifice. The word for pillar is matzba, and it means stone monument. Okay. If that checks out. But as you dig into it, you start to see what it means by sacrifice. And in a lot of the Old Testament, when he refers to Israel, he's talking about just God's people. And you can transitively mean any believer at the time, even before Israel and Egypt tends to mean just the world at large. It's just. It does the same thing with Babylon. When it says Babylon, it's talking about everywhere that's lost, essentially.

[Top Lobster]

The culture.

[Wesley Roth]

The culture, yes. But I maintain, I think that Egypt, like way pre dynastic Egypt was a culture that worshiped the most high and that they built this through divine providence and probably through some help from things that are not human.

[Top Lobster]

Well, I guess it was there. Yeah. Joseph and Geez. Jacob. Jacob was in Egypt for quite a while as well. Right. Kind of like rolling or was it. No, no. Abraham rolled through. Yeah, all these guys kind of rolled through Egypt. Abraham rolls. He. He goes through there and that's where he becomes rich and he comes back out of that land and then he begins his story with God, Moses. Yeah, yeah.

[Wesley Roth]

But the last thing I want to touch on in this slide is that how can something be in the heart of it and on the border? Well, the word Giza means border, which is interesting. And then also Egypt is split into northern and southern kingdoms, upper and lower kingdoms.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

The.

[Wesley Roth]

Which is ironic, the south part is the upper and the north part is the lower because higher elevation on the south. And Giza happens to fall right on that border, which is in the exact center of Egypt at large.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

So do you think this would have also been a monument to indicate like this is the border? I mean, considering that Giza means border, it seems like they would have. That would have supported.

[Wesley Roth]

But that would have been kingdoms. That's why it was called that, Right, Right, yeah, that's why it's called and the reason it's there. We'll go to why it is there. I think next. No, next thing is this. This is just the first interesting tidbit. So every character in Hebrew is also a number, right?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Every.

[Wesley Roth]

If you add those two verses together, like every single character, it comes up to 5,449, which is the exact height in pyramid inches of the pyramid.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Wait, so Isaiah 19:20?

[Wesley Roth]

Yes.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

If you take every character in those two bits of scripture and you add them together, it. It equals 5,449, which is the height of the Great Pyramid in inches.

[Wesley Roth]

Pyramid inches, which is 1 inch, 1 current inch plus a human hair.

[Top Lobster]

Whoa.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That is a very peculiar unit of measurement.

[Wesley Roth]

Yes. And we'll get to why they use that system of measurement and what a pyramid inch is. A standard inch with a plus 1.0001 inches.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That's interesting.

[Wesley Roth]

Very interesting. Right. And this is where the pyramid is, which is exactly on the cross of the equator in the Prime Meridian.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

And I didn't know that's where the Giza pyramid fell. I didn't know that they were at the. At the sort of conjunction point.

[Wesley Roth]

It's at the exact spot. And it's also this. I need to, like, do more research and verify. But according to a lot of the people that research this, if you split up the land masses on those four, like, I guess, semi, semi, spheres, it's equal land mass on all four sides. It's the exact center point of all land by volume.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That's interesting.

[Wesley Roth]

Very.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I wonder how they would determine that. I'm not saying that I. I don't believe that, but I know, like, we just did some weird. Where Japan did a land survey and found like a thousand more islands or some crap like that.

[Top Lobster]

And that's like, minuscule stuff. I think that if you're. This might go into the idea of png, and I don't even know where I sit on that idea, but if all this stuff was together and you divided it from that center point like a cake, it would be just about equal.

[Wesley Roth]

Right. You put it all in a blender that you get four equal glasses of sand.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Right, right, Right.

[Wesley Roth]

Like, and I need to look at that further. There's some stuff in here that I'm like, okay, I need to look at this closer because maybe I don't understand the mathematics. I'm not a mathematician, but I can do basic math. And I'm like, these are close. I don't know if they're exact. And if there. It was designed by the Most High, I think it would be pretty close to exact. You know, like maybe a degree or a percentage point off.

[Top Lobster]

How many sides does the pyramid have? Does it line up with the angles here?

[Wesley Roth]

I.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

It.

[Wesley Roth]

Well, so it's the corners align north to south to the poles.

[Top Lobster]

Okay. So there's four sides. Because it looks like. It looks like the Star of David in the middle there. Do you see that?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

It is the.

[Wesley Roth]

The. The place I source this from uses the Star of David as its star.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Huh.

[Wesley Roth]

It just like I. My understanding from Looking at it is that they just use the shape, like tool.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

It works.

[Wesley Roth]

Yeah, I mean, they just, they're. It's never even like it's. They just like dragged it. It's just like I'm just going to choose this shape. There's some stars. Well, actually, I think I took them out. There's some stars in there. And all the. What are their dated highlights. They just use that a lot. All right, so the sacred pyramid cubit is what these interpretations are taken from, which a lot of people thought that this was done with the, like, you'll find different measurements from different people because some people measure the pyramid in the Royal Egyptian cubit, but all of these are, by the way, Hebrew cubit.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I just want to bring this up real quick. Federal agents said this, and this is something that I learned recently. So the pyramid has eight. Eight sides, technically, because each side has a center peak. So you can see like it's. It's not always perceivable, but sometimes in the right light, when a shadow is casted, you. You can see that there actually is. On one of, you know, on each of the four walls, there is a center line where like, either there it's peaked in or it's peaked out or something like that. But it. So technically speaking, it does have. But the other. The split on each wall is very subtle.

[Wesley Roth]

Yeah, it's. So it's. They're not straight. I will put it that way. It's not like it's not this. And then, you know, two straight lines peeking in. It's a curve. It's a very subtle curve. And it's the exact degree of the curvature of the earth. It's going to upset a lot of people. But the earth matches the indentation on the pyramids. However, I will note that it's also structural that you would. You see that on the skeleton. But the casing stones that were there did not feature that the casing stones were flat. So if you. There's a few still at the bottom and they make a, a flat line. So if they were all still on it, it would be straight. So it's the inside, it's structural, but it's also mathematics buried in there. There's a lot of math buried in this thing. Like, I'm not even scratching. I'm not even 1% of 1% on the very strange math in this thing. Oh, I didn't finish this. So the sacred pyramid Cubit is basically 25 pyramid inches, which is 25 of our inches plus 25 human hairs. Not A huge difference. And they found this. One of the reasons that they use this unit of measure is there is right before you enter the king's chamber, there is a rose quartz stone that has a semi sphere or a semi circle that's not carved into it, but it's like an embossment. It comes out and it's called the boss. And it's exactly five of those pyramid inches. And they look at as a key thing, use this. And there's a lot of five. A lot of fives in this five also happens to be in like Gematria and Hebrew culture. It is the number for God's grace and it is ha, which is the addition to Abraham's name. So he was Abram. They added the ha to be Abraham. So God's breath or God's grace was added to Abraham when he made the covenant with him. That's why they look at this and go, oh, that's relevant. It's not just a cool little, you know, semicircle feature.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

It's like, hey, here's something where they're using potentially mathematics to play, to pay homage to, to God the Father and.

[Wesley Roth]

To give the key to understanding the pyramid and what it's trying to tell you.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Because the idea.

[Wesley Roth]

Go ahead.

[Top Lobster]

Just reminds me of like the five. You have five fingers here rather than the six digit for what was possibly roaming the earth in those days.

[Wesley Roth]

Interesting, interesting, interesting. But the, this is sort of where I'm gonna go with it is. It's, it is the monument Yahweh, but it is also the entire gospel told in physical form.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I'm sorry, the, the, the pyramid is.

[Wesley Roth]

The entire, it's the entire story of the Bible told from start to beginning or from start to finish.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Go on.

[Wesley Roth]

What I'm going to go to now is the names of the pyramid. In antiquity, from the Egyptian Book of the Dead, it's called Pachanak, which means House of Enoch.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

The Egyptians, well, this is the names of. Wait, wait, wait.

[Wesley Roth]

So the Book of the Dead, when they talk about the Great Pyramid, it's Pahanak, which translates to House of Enoch. And then in dynastic Egyptian times they called it Kuti, which means light or lights. And then more interesting to me is the Chaldeans, which is where Abraham is from. They called it this, I don't know how to pronounce it perfectly, but it means revelatory measures.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

It could be Uramiddin or Eurymiddin. Revel, revelatory measurements measures that, revelatory measures. So it's literally Telling you, like, what to name these things? Yeah, there's. There's something. There's information imparted via the measurements of this. This structure.

[Wesley Roth]

And a lot of people know that, you know, the. Was it 42,300. If you multiply the, like, the circumference of the circle around the base of the pyramid, that will equal the circumference of the Earth. It'll also relate to the distance to the sun. And there's. Yeah, there's a lot of. Just like, how do they know to put it on the equator, first of all. But, yeah, there's a lot of things.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Really upsets the flat Earthers.

[Wesley Roth]

It certainly does. And, like, listen, I have no beef with flat Earthers. I just happen to disagree because I think that if you make that leap, and I won't say that there aren't things that they say that are compelling. I'm like, well, that's interesting. But if you make that leap, it makes a lot of the things in scripture make less sense. And a lot of the things that they point to for justification for flat Earth. I'm going to get into that here because I think it has more to do with the pyramid than it has to do with the design of the Earth.

[Top Lobster]

I love this show because we had a flat Earther on the last episode and then immediately accidentally go to debunk them.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, accidentally. I'm not trying to debunk them. We do a lot of it.

[Wesley Roth]

I, if, if I die and go to heaven and it's flat, I'll be like, hey, guys, I will admit I'm wrong on this, but I don't see it that way. Because first of all, if you look at the procession of the earth, the Bible is written in the stars. And it's like, it talks about the heavenly bodies. We could see that they are spherical as they rotate. And so why wouldn't a. Why wouldn't ours be? And then why would we. I, to me, I kind of look at it as limiting him to being like, yeah, I can make Earth, but I can't make it round. Like, I'm not. Not that I can't do that. Like, I mean, kind of everything.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

About.

[Wesley Roth]

Like, sacred geometry and stuff is three dimensional. It's like talking about how the cross is an unfolded cube and the cube itself, like, everything's three dimensional. And in fact, I think we're limited to just the three dimensions. Everything else is even more than that. You know, like 1133 dimensions, whatever. I think.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Do you think that we can still have a Firmament and be a globe.

[Top Lobster]

That's a, that's a great question.

[Wesley Roth]

Well, so I looked into that a few times and my understanding is that the word firmament can mean two different things in its context. And one of the meanings is not like barrier. It means like vast expanse. Like the word that translates to firmament can also be translated to vast expanse. And we're looking at it as like, what, what we think the translation is the meaning, whereas the translation is just a translation. Same for the word day. Like, I've gotten into a lot of arguments that like on the first day God created this. On the second day it's like, okay, the sun didn't exist yet on days one through three. So how is there a 24 hour day? Explain this to me, like now a day for a thousand years. Like a day to God is a thousand years to or a man. Or how Jesus uses the word hour and day as metaphor, or not metaphor, but just as turn of phrase to mean this point in time or this amount of time. And even sometimes the Bible will say a thousand years when it's really much more than that. Just because at the time when you said a thousand years, it's like when we say, like, guys, I've been waiting for a million years. It's like I've been waiting for a very long time. And I want you to take note it what just was a turn of phrase at the time. There are a lot of things that you have to look at scripture in the context. Just like Jesus saying, like, I want you to hate your mother and father. He doesn't want you to hate your mother and father. He's saying, love me so much that as much as you love them, it would look like hate to somebody. Like, you love them so much. Love me a million times more to that. So when somebody compares your love to mine, the only word they could use to describe your love for them is hate. You won't understand that unless you know that that is a way that people spoke then. And that was a common phrase at the time.

[Top Lobster]

But I got into, I got into a little philosophical argument, my parents, about the term eternity, because when you look it up, eternity means like, it's like a vast expanse of time or like a, a huge expanse of time. But I'm like, but it is of time. It's of something which means that it, it has an end. And they're like, no, it just means. And I was like, I don't think you, you can conceptualize it. It's just a lot. But what does it mean when they say you'll spend eternity in heaven? It's like, well, a vast amount of time, but time. Time meaning that there is a beginning and there will be an end to that. And as they're like, I don't want to talk about. It's like, well, me neither either. So we'll just move on.

[Wesley Roth]

I look at the word eternity and think it means the absence of time. It means time's no longer going to be relevant. Like it. Time won't be measured in, in the way we do. And I don't even know what that means. Like, I was thinking about that actually last night. I was thinking about time dilation and like, think of like interstellar on that planet for 45 minutes.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

What a harrowing.

[Wesley Roth]

And then I'm like, is that the difference of like between heaven and here? It's like, hey, like the same amount of time literally has passed biologically, but it's or hasn't changed, or it is different biologically, but it's the same amount of time. It's. But what is that?

[Top Lobster]

That's the thing that says it's. It's a state to which time has no application.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Timelessness.

[Top Lobster]

It's like you're trying to apply this idea of time to it, but you can't quite do that. But it still does mean. So it says for infinite or an unending time.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

It's like, well, well, what do you mean by that? Even when, when, when Wes is like, God's talking about, you know, these first three days and the sun doesn't exist yet. And then it's like a day is a thousand years. But then that expression just meaning like a really long amount of time. Because even without the sun, what is a thousand years? One year is 365 days. Days that are made up by a 24 hour sun.

[Top Lobster]

Well, I think he's going to get into this. Right. With his next slide.

[Wesley Roth]

Okay.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

All right, cool. Let's.

[Wesley Roth]

Let's bring this up interestingly. Enoch, since it's the house of Enoch. Enoch lived for 365 years. I'm willing to bet that he lived for 365 years and three months. Because one solar year is 365 days plus a quarter of a day, essentially point two four two. And that's even true, like with our. We have a leap year. Right? But even a leap year isn't. Doesn't quite do it. And I think on the Julian calendar, I did not look into this. I just remember reading it somewhere and I might have the Right. The wrong calendar. One of the calendars always had every year, I think it was 12 minutes or something like that built into certain months of the year, which I also found found interesting. 12:12 minutes to account for that little bit of difference.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That's interesting.

[Top Lobster]

You want to know something real interesting? That viral video that I keep referencing of the lady, the African scholar.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Oh yeah.

[Top Lobster]

They have like no concept of the future.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

They don't have a word like in their language for the, for future.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. But they measure, they measure a year by when the seasons pass by. When it gets like adequately cold or hot enough. I'm like, that is so crazy.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

But maybe that's it because it seems like any attempt to, you know, really divvy it up always ends up with a remainder. Which is interesting because even the measurements that they're using where it's like a standard inch plus a human hair is like to account for some sort of remainder.

[Top Lobster]

Well, how do you then. How would you ever create something so divinely inspired without this accuracy? Well, maybe that's by measuring.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Maybe it's like we can't. And so we can get pretty close, but if we could, we would be.

[Top Lobster]

Listen, dog, you know, I've looked at like Roman architecture. I've looked at the architecture of people who consider time and it's long lasting and it's a lot better than mud. I'm just that.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

No, no, no, I hear that, but I'm just like, like even like, you know, they're building the pyramid here and the pyramid is like a, you know, it's, it's a structure that beguiles. Right. But they're measuring it with a inch and a hair. Like what kind of measurement that.

[Top Lobster]

A very specific one.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That's very interesting. I don't. It seems like this remainders game that they're dealing. It's the same thing with like our calendar where like, you know, if it, what, what counter you suspect it is, Wes, that, that uses the, the additional 12 minutes. A Julian, the Julian calendar is using, you know, a remainder of 12 minutes to try to account for this. We're using leap years to try to account for this. Like we can't. It. To me it seems like we're, we can't figure it out. We're trying to figure out what the remainder is. How do we, how do we divide this so that it, it ends up in these, you know, proportions that we're, we're happy with and we can't seem to do it.

[Wesley Roth]

And I misprinted here so each side of the pyramid, like the corner to corner is 365.242 period qubits, sacred Hebrew cubits, which again is historically measured by elbow to fingertips plus a hand 25.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Like what even we watch the UFC and it's like this dude's got a reach that's got six extra inches on this guy.

[Top Lobster]

But you virtually identical.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

But we can measure from, from, from elbow to fingertip.

[Wesley Roth]

Well, it's usually of one person. And so you'd base it on like.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

The king, like yo, Bob, we're gonna use Bob's arm.

[Wesley Roth]

Yeah, yeah. Somebody of note. It would be somebody like maybe it was Enoch himself, who knows? Or Job. I think Job designed the pyramid like through divine inspiration. I'll get into that too. It gets, it gets wild. Like we're just getting. I'm just laying the groundwork. And so consider one pyramid itch to equal one solar year. As we start to go into these measurements. So here's the actual, you know, cross section that everybody kitchen.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

They don't have a garage. They don't have a bowling alley.

[Top Lobster]

Wasn't for that dog.

[Wesley Roth]

No rumpus room.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

No Rhompus room. Unbelievable.

[Wesley Roth]

Yep. Yeah. And you have to go to the laundromat.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

No.

[Wesley Roth]

Built in laundry.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Oh, no.

[Wesley Roth]

All right, so Job, now we're going to get into Job. These are the questions that God asked to Job. You've talked about it a lot. I've heard it. Where you ask about where were you when I laid the earth's foundations?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Oh, that's right. Yeah. I've been bringing that up a lot. I'm just too stupid to know where that was from.

[Wesley Roth]

Who marked the earth's dimensions? Who stretched. Who stretched a measuring line across the earth? On what were its footings set? Who laid nearest cornerstone? The reason I asked these is a. He's asking him. This is what a lot of people look at when they talk about flat earth. This is one of the things. However, the point I think is being made here is that he's speaking to him, putting him in his place.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah.

[Wesley Roth]

Because Job, if you read the text, he was the richest man in all the land. And he, you know, he had it lists all of his property and such. My theory, and I can't take credit for this. I got it from Ryan Pitterson. I don't know if you're familiar with him. So credit to Ryan Peterson, that Job may have been the person who was the architect of the Great Pyramid as a servant to, to God. And I did a little bit of digging. There is a Historical character who had. He was an advisor to the pharaoh, whose name was Jobab. J O B A B. And a lot of people connected him to Job. They say is this Job. And he's around the time of Abraham. He's right around that time. They don't know exactly when Job took place. They're not even completely sure when it was written. They think it's the oldest book of the Bible. But they're. They're. It's all based on context clues. However, I thought it sounded absurd. But then when I started looking at it, the pharaoh that this Jobab was affiliated with was very unpopular because he would not keep. He. He would not keep the pagan festivals and such, which is the same thing that Job's wife is ridiculing him for. Of not doing these things and causing issues. And, you know, all of these bad things are happening to you because you won't do the things that the world.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

You can kind of speculate that he is advising. Yes. Okay, I like that.

[Wesley Roth]

And he's also the king of a small area of Mesopotamia that's. That's not far from this area. It's like I said, it's all blind speculation. But there's a lot there to base it on. However it goes further. What is the way to the abode of light which is going to become important. Where does darkness reside? Do you know the paths to their dwellings? Can you bind the chains of the Pleiades? Keep that in mind. Can you loosen Orion's belt? Can you bring the constellations in their seasons? Can you lead the bear with its cubs? And do you know the laws of the heavens? These are. There's a lot more questions than that. A lot more. But these are the ones that are relevant to what we're about to look at. That. So here's that same diagram. But on in 202140 BC this is their astral alignments. The opening of the Great Pyramid aligns with Tubin, which is Alpha Draconis, the Dragon star. The upward passage, which at first is very small. You have to crawl on your hands and knees. It's about 3ft height in height. Would align if you followed it out. It would align with Columba, which if you look it up, it's called Noah's Dove, which is quite interesting. The air vents on the queen's chamber align with Sirius, which they call the Lionsgate Portal. When it was aligned with the Sphinx. They call that the Lion's Gate. And if you look at that, the shadow or the silhouette of the Sphinx, it is a keyhole, which I found very interesting. And from above, it's a keyhole. The other vent aligns with the star called Mizar, which is Arabic for meaning linen wrap or wrapped in linen, which I find very interesting. The.

[Top Lobster]

That's a prophecy, then.

[Wesley Roth]

Yes. Well, it keeps going. The king's chamber air vent aligns with the star called Cocab, which is an interesting star because it's one of the only stars observed, maybe the only star observed that has, instead of dying, it turned into another type of star. It turned from like a white dwarf into an orange dwarf, which signifies kind of resurrection or, or evolution or change. But it's a part of Ursa Major, which has a long mythology of meaning resurrection, which is symbolized by the bear within its state of hibernation. Right. Like goes to hibernation, goes through the dead of winter, and then awakes reborn, which is a lot like, you know, Christ dying, going to Hades for three days and coming back reborn. And the word kocab, the Hebrew means he who cometh, which is quite interesting. And on the other side, it points to Orion, which is a lot, a lot of times referred to as the coming king, the future king. There's a lot of affiliation or association with resurrection there as well. But the word Orion means heaven's light. And then there are two scored lines when you go in to this yellow circle that is, there are two scored lines that point up to the Pleiades, to specifically the star Alcyone, which is part of the. The constellation Tauros or Taurus. Sorry, I didn't dive into all of those meanings, but they all have a very interesting connection to the idea of.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

The.

[Wesley Roth]

Messiah, I would say, and God himself. But it gets a little bit more interesting than that. So we're going to jump in here a little bit. So I don't know why my circle's gone, but right here, where this ascending passage starts, if you follow the pyramid to inch, or pyramid, one pyramid, inch to year idea, that would start at 1486 B.C. that's where that ascending passage starts on the downward. Now, the idea here is that this is a. This is the story of the Bible. This is the story of man. You enter at the time of Adam and you're on a downward trajectory until. Until. Until. Until. Well, first of all, there's Abraham. But at that point at 1486 BC, that is the year that Moses killed the Egyptian and embraced his Hebrew identity.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Oh, that's interesting.

[Wesley Roth]

Yes. And so the split starts. It's the time of the law. So this upward Path is the time of the law.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

And that's from the deviation from the downward of entrance and then the upward of ascending passageway. Is there any. Do you know if there's any significance to the idea that it continues? There's a split and it keeps going down to the descending passageway.

[Wesley Roth]

Yes, it's. So this is the. I have a graphic for it. So we'll get to it. Okay.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

There's your circle.

[Wesley Roth]

Yep. Coincidentally, this is also the first year, and this is what I was going to tell you guys, that I don't think anybody's ever caught because I was looking for 1486. This is the first year that advanced cultures witnessed and first recorded a comet said to appear eight times the size of the moon in the sky. Identified later by Carl Sagan as 12 P. Pons Brooks. It would also pass the Earth in 1948-1954-2016-2024. All very significant years for Israel.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Oh, that's fascinating. That is fascinating.

[Top Lobster]

That's right. Is 54, the seven year war, the beginning of that 54.

[Wesley Roth]

54 was. Yeah. Passes in 48 and 54. And here I, I've got more too. In 54 was when Israel built the Tel Aviv railway station, which was a huge, like, political problem for a lot of people. And was also the year of something called the Levon Affair, where five Israeli spies were caught and arrested in Egypt for trying to sabotage the Egyptian government. So another connection between Israel could be any year.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, this is a big.

[Wesley Roth]

There's a big thing. There's a. And there's plenty of other stuff. There was a, a lot of like, like little skirmishes with the Arab authority in the area at the time. There's a lot going on that year because I was like, before, that's not a big year. And I looked and I was like, oh, a huge year.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

It's wild to say that, that this comet was eight times the size of the moon in 1486. The way, the way it was perceived. That's terrifying. Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Did it become smaller or is it like.

[Wesley Roth]

Well, it was about its proximity.

[Top Lobster]

Right, okay.

[Wesley Roth]

But also the visual. There's hieroglyphs of it. There's a recording of it in China. And all of the descriptions of it have 10 tails, which I thought was interesting too. Kind of like 10 horns, 10 tails, which would signify to me that it's more than one object, that it's the cluster of objects, of 10 objects, which is interesting. But I, I didn't want to go too far down the comet thing because when I. That's why I texted you about it, David. I was like, I'm gonna blow your minds, because it's crazy. Now there's two recorded recent outbursts. So, like, you know, energy outbursts from it, and they were June 20, 2023, which was the event that you would say caused October 7, and then it also happened on October 6. Sixth of that.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Wait, wait, wait. So was. Was June 20, was it like the confirmation of the red heifers?

[Wesley Roth]

It. Well, it was. There was something to do with that, but there was also a. A. Some sort of skirmish between the Palestinian Authority, Hamas, and Israel. I don't remember what it was called. It has a name, but it was a. An operation by Israel that caused something to happen to Hamas, and that's kind of what got the ball. Ball rolling into October 7th.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

So you're saying that they're still monitoring this object and that occasionally it will release, like, a burst of energy that's perceivable by radar or whatever technology they're using, and that it just so happens that these events take place at the same time that it is emitting some, you know, perceivable form of energy.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. Like the. The speculation would be, are they doing it because. Or is it happening because of.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Oh, man. Yeah. Are they moved by some sort of cosmic energy that they're unaware of or.

[Top Lobster]

I think they're aware of this stuff because they do a lot of these. They. They do watch the skies, and then they move when they're supposed to.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That's interesting. That's interesting.

[Wesley Roth]

Yeah, I, I tend to have a.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Lot of stuff in place, though.

[Wesley Roth]

There's something about these energies that.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Wesley Roth]

Or it's just a mark, like. And it could be complete coincidence, but every. Every date that I looked at, I was like, well, there's something there. There's something happened there.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Well, so. So we're sitting here wondering if there's a correlation, if one affects the other, or is it, you know, is it the chicken or the egg kind of a deal? But it could well be that these things are just, you know, predetermined. Like, I'm not down with. Predetermined isn't in a huge extent, but obviously, like, there's a plan and, And. And in the end, God wins and there's a judgment and all these things. So, you know, there's some level of predeterminism. So do they even have to be aware? It's funny, because if you were aware of that, like, if you could look up at the same time and see that? As soon as you made that move, would you be like, oh, was I supposed to make that move? Like, look at that. There goes the energy burst as soon as I did this thing. But, you know, on the other hand, these cosmic energies, I mean, that's where you get the idea of, like, lunatics or whatever, like, Luna being the. The base word, Luna, meaning moon. The moon or a full moon having this effect on people, making them crazy, which it just does, man. It's like, I can't tell you how often I'll be. I'll have a weird day or a weird night, and I'll go, oh, it's a full moon.

[Top Lobster]

That's why my kids. Certainly the same way.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, there's. There's no way to. To downplay, in my. You know, in my estimation, the effect that these cosmic bodies have on us. And so I. I kind of agree, Wes. I lean a little bit towards, like, this idea that we think we're so clever, but it's like we're moved by spirit in one way or another.

[Wesley Roth]

Right. And. And just biblically, it says the heavens and the stars are for seasons and signs. So it's. Yeah, it's. Sometimes it's just for reflection and not necessarily something you need to look at and predict. It's just in retrospect, you're like, oh, we're in the season. Yeah. And it's like, you can mark it. Like, you can mark these things by the procession of the stars in the sky.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

And it's like, I see this thing happen a lot. Like, we've been talking a lot about, like, this divine feminine concept. And you have Anna Paulina Luna, and she's doing this whole, like, Book of Enoch thing on Joe Rogan's podcast, which I. I'm, like, having a little bit of trouble placing, like, how I feel about that. But anytime you get. I always talk about the. The recent super bowl that took place in Caesar's Dome. I think that was, like, New Orleans or something like that, where Donald Trump was the first sitting president at a Super Bowl. And it was filled with, like, all this kind of divine feminine symbolism. You had, like, season. Seasons, whatever, little seasons. I don't know what her name is. I'm gonna stop pretending, but she's a female rapper, and when she appears on. On stage, she's in, like, an inverted triangle, which is a symbol for the divine feminine. And then the number 77 is also associated with it. So you see during the. The commercial, you have a. A woman doing flag football. She's number 77, and she's just crossing up all these men, breaking ankles, you know, spinning out of tackles or whatever. She's, you know. And then she scores a touchdown in the. In the commercial, and it's like, women can do it too. And then there's like, all this moon symbolism happening in that commercial too. And then last night, me and my wife watched the ballerina, which is, you know, it's not John. The saving grace is that John Wick is in it.

[Wesley Roth]

It.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

So that's. That's cool.

[Top Lobster]

I'm in.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

It's. It's like. It's okay, man. It's just like I. A John Wick film is constant ass whooping, and I just rather see John Wick do it. That's all. I don't want to watch, literally, a girl that's a ballerina, she's like £90 do all this.

[Top Lobster]

But you're a misogynist.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I'm a masseuse. And so right at the beginning of that film, though, there's like this. This big mural on the wall with. With the. With the moon in all of its sequences, and it's like they're always doing this. The divine feminine, like, female power and the moon. So. So these. These symbols have their things, or these cosmic bodies have their things that they historically, symbolically rule over. And I used to go, well, that's dumb. And now I go, probably not so dumb. It's just that it's. It's become gay. You know what I mean? Like, it's. It's cringy when. When people are talking about a stuff, astrology. And then. But there's. There's 100 something to it. You wouldn't have that last as long as it has as a school of thought if there was nothing to it. And then we. We. We poo. Poo that. And then when there's a full moon, we go, people are acting wonky. It's a full moon. But we don't see the. The correlation there.

[Wesley Roth]

No, I agree. And it's very strange. Like, even the whole, what? Mercury and retrograde thing, like, I laughed at that my whole life. And then as I became an adult adult, I was like, this weirdly seems legitimate.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, it is, man.

[Top Lobster]

Like, but when we were at the. The primary waters place.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Oh, yeah. Matthew Lane was like, I'm gonna butcher it. But let's say he was just like, hey, Mercury is in retrograde. Okay, that's hilarious, because the federal agent said it at the exact moment that I said it. We literally Have a federal age agent. That was bizarre. Shout out, Federal agent. I guess. Anyway, so let's say he says that. He goes, mercury is in retrograde. Your equipment is going to fail today.

[Top Lobster]

But don't worry about it.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, keep a cool head and keep persisting, and it'll work out. And, yeah, we got there and, like, their generator or their. Their pump for their well broke down.

[Top Lobster]

And then it's. The generator they were. They've been using for 10 years broke. It broke. So they bought a new one, and the new one didn't work. Brand new.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

And then it turned out to be, like, a common issue with this brand, so they had to bring it back and get a new one. And then eventually everything worked, and it was this big moment, but it was like. That was weird.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. Like, what the.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

He said that, and I said, it's.

[Top Lobster]

Like, you're gay, Matthew Lane. And then exactly that exactly happened. So I'm like, that's weird.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

All right.

[Wesley Roth]

The last thing I can say about that is there is a day last October and my co worker said, mercury's in retrograde. And I was like, I don't really put any stock.

[Top Lobster]

Tim's gonna fire us all.

[Wesley Roth]

Huh?

[Top Lobster]

He's gonna fire all.

[Wesley Roth]

I got fired that night. Yeah, I got fired that night.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

It's weird.

[Top Lobster]

Manka's beanie, you know, it affects the waters, the sweat in his beanie, swelling.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

But there is something like, you know, and I try not to get. I try not to get moved by it, and I don't know if that's the right thing or not. Like, if these cosmic bodies do push us in one way or another, are we supposed to go with that ebb and flow, or do you go, oh, that thing is happening, and it makes tempers high. I should. I should chill out instead of giving into it, because I feel like that's what you should do.

[Wesley Roth]

Do you know Doug Van Dorn?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I'm not familiar with him now.

[Wesley Roth]

He's really cool, dude. He's been on Blurry Creatures. And Tony Merkel, he's a pastor and a researcher, and he did an episode, I think it was Blurry Creatures where he was talking about, you know, Mercury in retrograde, and then also just horoscopes and zodiac. And he was like, all of this is 100% legitimate. He was like, but it's a distortion of the Hebrew Matsaroth. It was like. And what Christ's death did was it liberated mankind from what he calls the system of Saturn. He says this perversion of the Hebrew Matsaroth which is supposed to be signs and. And signals in the. The. In the. In the sky is. It does have effect and. And governance. Not governance, but influence over things about you. Just like, I think that there is something to the idea of. And this is my big. I'm gonna put it out there. Is my biggest argument against the little season.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Oh, that.

[Wesley Roth]

Yeah. Is that we are in the right time period for the Procession of the Stars. So when Christ was like, do you know when the age of Pisces started? It started on one ad. That's when the age of Pisces started. The age of the church, the age of. Of Christ, the age of the Messiah. We are barreling straight towards the age of Aquarius. And if you follow these timelines, if you follow these ages, humanity's like, consciousness evolves. It changes. And I think we're getting ready to, like, I think that's why. Because the. The end of the pure age of Pisces was December 21, 2012. And somewhere between 2030 and 2070 is when we'll exit Pisces and be fully in Aquarius. And there's something about. If you look at 2012, that is kind of like the line of demarcation to where. When everything started getting really bad. Like.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah.

[Wesley Roth]

And I don't mean bad like, like, oh, society's going off a cliff. Like, I guess that's true, too. But go back to 2011. We weren't talking about, every movie sucks, every book sucks, every album sucks. It's all, like, tripe. And I don't think anything's changed, because if you go back and look, it's not that much different. I think we're changing and expecting something more, like, we don't listen to, you know, like, the 90s, the 80s was very materialistic, and we're slowly becoming, like, look at Gen Z. They're, like, not materialistic millennials. Not materialistic. I mean, they are to an extent, but they're much more about experience. They're much more about, like, vibe. Right? They're much. They're a lot more insightful than I think Gen X and, like, baby boomers were that it was all about, like, hey, what's in your wallet? Keep up with the Joneses. Everything's cool. My job is cool now. We're like, I want a job that gives me meaning. And I'm not saying there was nobody like that, but the general trend, like, the average person or the below average person is elevating, like, consciously. And I think that there is something to that. Not in the sense of like, should we be trying to ascend in a New age sense? No, the only real ascension is through Jesus Christ. But there is something to the idea when we talk about these ages and, and the what impact they have on people. You can measure it. You can measure it. Like why certain time periods just make a leap and you could say fallen angel technology or influence or whatever. But there is something, you know, some people say the Stone Day theory, that's how humanity started. But it's no, there's a consciousness change or an unlocking. We're getting closer to something and we all feel like we're barreling towards something. Like I hear normies say that all the time. Like, it just feels like we're at the end of something. It's like we are, we're at the end of the age of Pisces. It's. I don't know what, I don't know what it actually means physically or how it works on a physical level or, or a consciousness level, but I can see it. I can identify that. Yeah, something's different. We didn't feel that way in 2005. I didn't feel that way in 2010. 2010. I was like, can't wait until 10 years from now. And now I'm like, 10 years from now is probably going to be really weird, really awful. It feels like there's something that, like there is some sort of like shoe that's going to drop. I don't know what the shoe is, but I know it's coming.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

And that's interesting because I was just gonna say you have the Mayan calendar. Somebody brought it up in the chat and that was, you know, supposed to end at December 21, 2012. And I kind of did. Well, yeah, I think we all attached a bunch of like dooms, gloom to it that wasn't insinuated by this gigantic stone calendar shout out meat cavern. Because this was literally about time keeping. It wasn't. It didn't have anything on it about like and everything is gonna die. It was about the end of the age.

[Wesley Roth]

Right.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

And we had that, that film with the. I forgot what his name was, but it was, it was 2012. What's the guy's name? He drew a John. Not John Goodwin, John Cus Sick. Drove a limousine through the end of the world. And it was called like 2012 the end of the World. But I, I agree with what you're saying. Especially in, on the front where it was like looking for meaning and, and I became hyper aware that I Didn't want to work a job, that I was going to lift my head up one day and wonder where 20 years had gone.

[Wesley Roth]

And.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

And it was, like, really scary to me. I. I became very receptive to that. That. That like, kind of trope of the old person who gets to the end of the line and goes, I never did the things that I wanted to do because I was too afraid. And. And so that. That was like my major driving force for a long time. And I think what happened was after. After the vid popped off and everybody was sent home for a time, you notice that there was a drastic decline in people returning to work. Work. And a lot of it was people realizing, like, once I got a break from the system, I didn't want to be a part of that again. I didn't want to go back to my cubicle and. And work a 9 to 5 with people who my management team tells me are like a second family. You know what I mean? Like, nobody actually wanted that. There's no amount of pizza parties that they can give you where it softens the blow when your manager starts talking to you. Crazy. So it's like, I think I. I believe that a lot of people all of a sudden switch their modes what they wanted out of life. And then once we were able to detach for a minute, it was real hard to get people to go back.

[Top Lobster]

I think of a really funny. I. I say it as a joke, but I, I mean it. Pro wrestling, professional wrestling, wwe specifically, when kayfabe dies in a way, or when they have to, like, they had to regroup in a big way right around 2012, like, you had the attitude error, then you had ruthless aggression error. And then 2012, it, like, really slows down. It's crazy. I think you get into, like, Roman Reigns territory, but it's a generational skip. And it's also people aren't believing this anymore. Like, they're not. Not looking at and going like, yeah, Kane, Undertaker, or even, like, you know, Hulk Hogan and the Iron Chic, like, where you can kind of put these things up now, they have seamlessly transition, transitioned into, like, this online Twitter terror. It's, it's, it's. They're. They're forming in a new era. And I pay attention to it, not because I'm a fan of it, because I think the way that they move is the way that culture will move, or it's like a good indicator of what, what society will accept. And we're coming to this crazy thought, but I think we're coming to a weird culmination of it with that Raja Jackson thing.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I know Rampage Jackson's kid.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, yeah. Did you, did you see that yesterday? So it's like a. It's.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

What do you think? Kayfabe? Or is it.

[Top Lobster]

No, no. I mean, listen, the guy lost his mind. But the, the fact is that, like, wrestling is, is crossing this weird line of social media to now now into like really raw, behavioral, like, I mean, like, this is like almost a race war happening and wrestling is kfaming its way into it. So I'm like, I don't know what's going on, but I don't know if I like it.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I stopped, you know. You know who made me stop. This is a little aside. You know who made me stop watching the Hurricane? Do you remember a guy named the Hurricane?

[Top Lobster]

Hurricane?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Nope. As soon as I saw that guy, I never watched again. And that was a long time ago. I said, absolutely not. Not watching that. And then I was done. And I haven't looked back since. Except for to watch Rampage Jackson's son nearly kill a man for whatever reason. But yeah, I mean, maybe it's. Maybe it's, it's. What's changed is our inability to accept what is obviously.

[Top Lobster]

Well, that's the thing. It's like it, it's. Yeah, it's the inability to accept nonsense. So wrestling is. They are reacting and they are moving with the times and they're using Twitter in it in a pretty genius way. I think that this crossed the line probably.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Well, I don't know if this was. Was. If this wasn't real. A lot of people say it was. It was kayfabe. And they're like, look, almost killed this guy. I can see the, the way this guy's head is bouncing off the fist and off the mat.

[Top Lobster]

Here's the thing, though. It was. It's produced in a way where it's live streamed, so it's. It was supposed to be kayfabe. The same way this other guy, Karrion cross, goes in WrestleMania and he does like a complete insider promo against the WWE and breaks the third wall. And it's like a whole thing. And I'm like, oh, that's where we're at with wrestling now. We're tearing down the third wall. Everybody is privy to the backstage, and that is now part of the show, the fourth wall, part of, you know what, guys?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

One of these walls.

[Top Lobster]

Anyway, it's just like now the, the backstage of it, the part of the business, the inside, the, the extracurricular, curricular Stuff like they're. They're in the car and they're, like, beating each other. They're doing podcasts. This is what the audience is now watching. And what is the show, you understand? That's the show, the reality. This is where we are now, where reality is the show. And I'm like, wrestling is really fascinating because it's moving. This is what politics is at the highest level.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Highest levels.

[Top Lobster]

It's theater. We're seeing this, like. And it's. It's just crazy. It's crazy to think about it that way.

[Wesley Roth]

Yeah, yeah. No, I agree. 100. You just can see the. The wall. The walls of things breaking down, whether it's the financial system. Like, we're constantly, you know, barreling towards financial collapse and just propping it up. Propping it up. I've thought about. For. Since around 2010, 12, about how, like, ineffectual advertising is now.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Oh, my God.

[Wesley Roth]

You just don't look at it. You just don't like it. You have to evolve it, right? It has to be something else. Like, what was.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Doesn't work. My. When I was on a cruise recently, my son and I are watching Naked and Afraid and. And, you know, it's like, on cable television on the. Or I don't know what. I don't know if you're getting cable on a cruise. Whatever the hell you're getting is not what we're watching at home. And. And every commercial break, which there's so many of them is. It's. It's happy people skipping through a field. You know, do you have, like, you know, eczema or psoriasis? And. And it's like, do you want to be free of your eczema and psoriasis? Try, you know, whatever the hell this medication's name is. And then it's like the old Dave Chappelle bit where they go through the list of side effects and it's like, may include, you know, seizures, strokes, blindness, depression, suicidal thoughts. And. And even my son, which is actually kind of remarkable because I don't remember picking up on this when I was his age. He's like, why do they look so happy? Happy? When the list of like, things is anal fissures, right? Anal features. He's getting bifidas, so many bifidas. And it's like. And. And he's like, that. That's. Doesn't that seem funny to you? And I'm like, yeah, it's actually hilarious. But it's. I don't know who. There is a. I don't want to get down too much on the boomers, but it's like, it's working on them and then after them. That model is dead, dude. It is dead. And I don't know where the hell it goes after that. I don't know what advertising looks like, because they try to do, like, just silly, silly goose advertising for millennials, but, like, our taste is changing so rapidly. Remember, like, Skittles used to do, like, puppy monkey baby, and it's just like a puppy monkey baby mashup. And. And. And you're like, that doesn't make me want Skittles. But at least I remember the commercial. Puppy monkey baby's kind of nightmarish, funny creature. But now, like, we've moved on from that. Like, I don't even want that kind of chaotic humor anymore. Now you got to give me race war stuff. Now you gotta go, you know, Sydney Sweeney's jeans are great. Or this Dunkin Donuts white dude is crushing. His jeans are great. You know what I mean? Like, it's. You gotta give me something really super intense for me to give a anymore.

[Wesley Roth]

I. I have to. I have to mention this. I saw. I don't know if you saw it, but I was like, okay, that's good. Was a Casper coffee like, Ian. Ian has great.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Oh, yeah, that was good. Yeah.

[Wesley Roth]

I was like, well done, guys.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

But you know what it is? You have to, like, even for that. Like, it works perfectly for his fan base because you have to know Ian. Like, if you know Ian, then you're like, this is amazing. You know what I mean?

[Top Lobster]

It works good for Tim's fan base because it is like an ad now. That is. It's a joke that has been done a bunch. So I'm like, oh, it's a perfect Boomer joke. It's funny.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

But it's Ian, which makes it, like. Then it's like, extra. It's got a layer of.

[Top Lobster]

He should have showed feature feet in the ad yesterday.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Shown feet in the end.

[Top Lobster]

My only problem with the ad. No, they need more feet. They cut them off. I must have cost extra for feet.

[Wesley Roth]

Dude. Never works.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I edited it. I saw a feed.

[Wesley Roth]

He never wears shoes or socks ever.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Respect.

[Wesley Roth]

You know, I'm gonna jump a little forward in this.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Oh, yeah, sorry.

[Top Lobster]

We have a presentation.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

We've been talking about Ian's. Ian's feet.

[Wesley Roth]

Well, that's the next slide, actually. So this is a zoom in of this area right here. So where. Where the ascending passage meets the grand Gallery and the Queen's chamber passage. It's a little blurry. I couldn't find a really high resolution photo. But if you continue to follow the one pyramid inches a year where the the ascending passage meets the queen's chamber passage would be 30 AD which is interesting. And then if you follow it into the queen's chamber passage, there's a drop down. And if you follow that laterally back it would be about 4 B.C. which is also interesting. Which is the corrected year for the birth of Jesus given when the decree to execute the firstborn sons of the the Hebrews to get rid of him by Herod what was actually happened. So we have to put the idea that Jesus was born around that time. And then the center point would be 70 AD which is the final rejection of Christ by the the Jews and the destruction of the temple. And then you jump up to the top of the passage be 96 AD which is the, the presumed year of the finishing of the writing of Revelation, which is very interesting. Now I've heard other. I'm gonna go back other interpretations of what this queen's chamber is because and I'll get into it in a second. Actually, I'm just gonna jump to it. Well, one side note, the angle of the ascending passage is 26 degrees, 18 minutes 9.6 seconds, which if you convert that to just degrees is 26.302666 degrees. Interesting. But if you put that on the equator, raise it counterclockwise, it's a straight line from the Great Pyramid to this dot right here, which is Bethlehem. Huh. Just an interesting little tidbit. It. All right, so here's the names in the Egyptian book of the dead of the passages. So the descent, the chamber of ordeal, which I think is funny. The well of life, the hall of truth and darkness, the path of the coming forth of the regenerated soul and the shape of rebirth and regeneration. Now there's the. I'm going to jump forward to the Christian version.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Oh, oh, that is fascinating.

[Wesley Roth]

So earthly. They call this the Messianic age and the resurrection. I don't look at it that way. I look at it as a holding spot for Israel. So it's where they rejected him. But they're sitting in the queen's chamber just like the church, like the bride of Christ. And they're sitting there until the heavenly resurrection or the return. But, but on the broad scale, very interesting. The door being Adam's sin, downward trajectory for man, you have the flood, all of that just down, down, down. Man's sole focus is sin continually. And then the Law or the. The When. I would say when Moses is pleased Domidian and changes his mind, follows God.

[Top Lobster]

Can you. Can you go to the previous slide?

[Wesley Roth]

Yes.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, because it was named like the hall of Truth in darkness is kind of right on the money. And then of course, of course the hall of Truth in light is a banger.

[Wesley Roth]

Yes. And the argument I would make is that the. Wherever the information came for the Book of the Dead is the pre Egyptian civilization that were aware of who the most high God was. Like they. They got it. They had some information whether it was watchers or something communicating. Because we talk a lot about when the watchers sinned, but nobody ever really talks about what they did before that. What were they teaching?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

We never talked about when the watchers were crushing.

[Wesley Roth]

Yeah, exactly. And why wouldn't they be teaching this? Why wouldn't they be telling stories of like who the most high is? That's literally what they're here to do is to keep people on the straight and narrow.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

But secret places of a hidden God is also very. I mean. Yeah. Yes, that's very interesting as well.

[Wesley Roth]

Yes, it is. I'm gonna jump forward again, but I don't know if I've got. Okay, yeah, that's my last slide. So the. Once you get past the right. I keep touching my screen like you can see it. This spot right here.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

You. So what is that downward. That downward jagged path cause called it was right beneath the ransom sacrifice that meets the ransom sacrifice to the reign of death. I can't see it because the camera's in the way. It's something with an R. Ransom. Oh, it's called ransom. Okay, okay.

[Wesley Roth]

Yes. And the interpretation of that is there's two interpretations. I choose the latter. But the first is that even if you surpass the law and you don't, you know, get right with God and you continue down the broad path of destruction even until the very end, you can get right with God and ascend up to the start of your walk. However, I look at it as. Since this is the death and resurrection spot, before he was resurrected, he carved the path.

[Top Lobster]

That's where he went.

[Wesley Roth]

Yes. He carved the path down there, conquered death, and then what came back up it to do that? So I guess you could put those together. Is that because he did that now you can go up it. He opened that pathway by his death so you can rise.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Honestly, dude, this is. This is really resonating. And I gotta say. And you know, at the top of this, Wes, you talked about how they don't There are no satanic symbols or, or anything like that. And that these are just symbols that are highly meaningful but co opted and inverted and maybe none greater than the pyramid, you know what I mean? The pyramid in the all seeing eye has become the symbol of the. It's there, it's. If, if the bad guy was a super villain, this would be on his chest.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Wesley Roth]

It's his calling card. Right. And, and there's a lot more math I'm not going to go go into. When you get up to the top of the gospel age and the consecrated block which a lot of people call this little room right here, the hall of Enoch because the, if you make a circle that meets all four walls like touches the center of all four walls, that circumference would be 365, 242 pyramid inches. But as you can see, you can kind of can't see it. I wonder if you can see it on the other one. Yes you can. There, there's a stone right here, this little redstone. That's the one that has the boss on it, the half semicircle.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Oh yeah, yeah, I see it.

[Wesley Roth]

And it is suspended somehow. They don't know how it's staying suspended. It's just suspended.

[Top Lobster]

But you have sticks to the wall you mean?

[Wesley Roth]

Yes, but they like physically they're like this is very strange. It's built into the wall but it's just kind of hanging there. But the idea of it, to be looking at it from a Christian point of view is so to get under it you have to bow. And then there's three other rose granite stones.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, I see those.

[Wesley Roth]

And they're raised and so you can walk in but then you have to bow one more time and go under this, these two stones here and enter the king's chamber. The king's chamber is an empty tomb that is made of five by five rose granite stones which back to the five and God's breath. But inside there's an empty sarcophagus that is the exact dimensions to hold the Ark of the Covenant.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Whoa. Is, is the speculation here strictly symbolic or is there any idea that it was ever kept there?

[Wesley Roth]

I believe it's strictly symbolic to say that. To align the throne of God and the empty holies. Yes.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Wow, that's fascinating.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

And, and so it's a good question.

[Top Lobster]

Who measured all this?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, yeah. Shout out Z man asking the important questions.

[Wesley Roth]

There were a lot of different measurement or measures and they measured different ways. So I can't remember the name of the guy something Davidson, who came up with the pyramid inch and how he found that and the pyramid cubit which he. Based on the Hebrew royal cubit or sacred cubit. But yeah, he, I mean this, the, the tome that's on this is huge. I, I haven't been able to find a copy, but if I could find a copy, I want one. It's. But it's going to be written so weird like all the S's are going to be F's and stuff. And that drives me crazy. But.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Man, you gotta, you gotta imagine because I'm sure it wasn't Christian archaeologists who were able to, to kind of do the, the excavation here and, and start to do the measurements and discover these, or rediscover these chambers. And when they got to. What's it, what is it conventionally called that, that big chamber in the center, the, the red one that we're looking at?

[Top Lobster]

King's chamber.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

The king's chamber. They would have had to have been mighty disappointed. I mean obviously to us just describing this here and all these measurements and how they're significant, it's actually, it seems incredible. But if you are sleuthing through this gigantic pyramid trying to find these chambers and you get there, it's an empty five by five room with an empty kind of chamber or, or box in the center of the room, you. That probably pissed a lot of people off for a long time.

[Wesley Roth]

Yeah, yeah. And, and there's just. It, it's one of those things where like two of these would have been compelling, but it just keeps going and it just keeps going. And like I said, I'm not even scratching the surface of like the information that's out there. There's a whole lot more, there's a whole lot more of like the, the math and, and, and what it points to astrally and what it points to scripturally, that I was like, I just don't have time for this. I think this, these things are enough. But like you just kind of have to lay the groundwork with the, the qubit and all of that to understand like, what does this 30 mean? What does this 70 mean? Where are you getting that? And at the end of the day, like, this isn't, this isn't anything other than just like something to me that you look at and measure up to scripture to say like, okay, there is some sort of like there's something going on here. There is something to, to this and, and just at like, because I'm of the mind that like you won't Understand the Bible until you understand the Bible, you know what I mean? Like, you won't understand it as truth. Like how many people have you talked to in your life that they've said, yeah, I've read it, but it's just another text and it's too, to describe the truth in it you have to kind of get weird. You kind of have to go larger. And this is one of those things where it's like, oh, like this can't be explained normally. Like if this all pans out, how does anybody come up with a, like a normal explanation for them being aligned in such a way? And the like, the one that really got me was when it was like, oh, the constellations that it aligns with in 2140 BC happen to be the exact constellations mentioned in the book of Job. Like it just happens to be those ones. Why didn't he point it at Medusa? Why didn't he point it at Cancer? What? Like why didn't he mention those? Like why, what's the point? And, and it opens a much larger box. And I think opening that larger box is necessary. Like not necessary, but it's helpful to a lot of people who are trying to figure out is this the true one? Is this the, is this truth?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

It's interesting because in the same way that many people, myself included, will associate kind of subconsciously the idea of the pyramid and the all seeing eye with like that of the enemy, right? It's the same way that I have come to almost just dismiss Egypt as this Babylon esque place where all of these. And, and I'm sure there was a time where all these horrifying things were going on and they're, they're worshiping these lowercase G gods, these fallen, these chimeric creatures exist. There's Nephilim everywhere. And, and then of course, you know, the book of Exodus and, and the Pharaoh and he's a dick. And. But then the, the idea that that wasn't the original purpose for what still it's, you know, how many wonders of the world are there? 8. And this is like one of the, the biggest mysteries to us still.

[Wesley Roth]

Well, this is the last one standing.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

The last one standing. That's interesting. And it doesn't look like it's going anywhere for a long time, but we wildly.

[Wesley Roth]

And Jeremiah points out that the other. This is going to be the one that's standing in the day and this is going to be the one people look at in the day. And when it's talking about in the day, it's talking about out what I perceive to be now, which is the end, the day of the Lord. Like, it will be the thing that people are going to go to. And that's kind of what it's. I, I think it's two at once. When it says they're gonna like, shout to the Lord because of their oppressors hoping for a savior, I think that means Christ at the time and the second coming, that the same thing is going to be happening.

[Top Lobster]

This is, Is this what they're talking about when they say flee to the mountains?

[Wesley Roth]

I don't know.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Maybe it's kind of a mountain. Well, you know, the. So conventional archaeology says that these were built by slaves, which, if you're taking a Christian pov, then it's like, were these really built by slaves?

[Top Lobster]

That seems like, talented wouldn't be the.

[Wesley Roth]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

And then, of course, given the, the architecture of it all, you go, I don't know if this is slaves and all the measurements that you laid out here today. But then there is the other school of thought from conspiracy theorists, an ancient astronaut theorists, where it's like, this was done with special technology or maybe this was a bit more nefarious and this was done by, like Nephilim giants that were lugging these stones into place, where I'd still have to be like, just because they were Nephilim giants, does that mean that they had the ability to, like, you know, put some of these in place to the degree that you couldn't slide a sheet of paper in between them and the measurements are all, you know, because you get a mixed kind of bag when it comes to the next Nephilim. It's like some of them seem to be bumbling morons, but were just like, physically gifted and so were terrifying and, but didn't have any. What would you call it? Long time preference. They were eating people, they were killing each other, they were warring. It didn't seem like intelligence was high in the ranking when it came to Nephilim. So you still don't answer that question as to.

[Top Lobster]

So some, some, some of them.

[Wesley Roth]

Right, right. Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

They had like, obviously advanced technology from their parents and kingdom. So I'd assume that there was like a hierarchy of. Sure.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, yeah. But it does make you wonder, like, if this was. What I'm getting at is if this was originally a monument to God the Father. Then it begins. It, it puts the speculation of how they came to be in a different lens. You know, was it as. Because I, I always look at it as, like, must have been gruesome. Whether it was slaves or if it was cannibalistic giants or if it was technology where slaves involved, because they're cracking whips and shooting, you know, laser. You know what I mean? Like, it's like everything is kind of. I, and I think I made that mistake. Too much is. I tend to look at antiquity too much through the lens of diabolical creatures when surely that was an element. But like, I gotta admit, never stop to think that that wasn't the original purpose of them. Even, even the idea that they were some sort of great energy harnessing technologies. The, the pyramids, they're on ley lines. They're. They're pointed at this, you know, star system, Orion's belt. They're meant to act as some sort of a, an antenna for, for energy. And you know, it's like I always just kind of added this, like, and was dark, right Dog. Like there was like, this was not a good thing. Like, I don't know, maybe, maybe that's not the case. And I, I never really stop to think about that. It's very interesting.

[Wesley Roth]

My two closing thoughts on this are the design itself to the pyramid. The one thing I didn't talk about was the capstone, because there never was one. It was the stone the builders rejected, which is Jesus Christ, the golden capstone. And the way I look at the design of it is every single stone in it that you can see on the outside and around is a representation. And this is my interpretation, is a representation of mankind. And think of every step up as being closer to Christ. I wouldn't be surprised if there's 12 stones at the top.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Oh, like right beneath what would have been the capstone.

[Wesley Roth]

Yes. And the only way to him is through Christ. So it's all interesting. And then. I hate to contradict Trey, but this is what I think he's describing for the New Jerusalem. It's not going to be a cube. It's going to be a pyramid that lands on the earth. And I think that's going to deceive.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

A lot of people because that's fascinating.

[Wesley Roth]

Because the cube would have four cornerstones, not one Master cornerstone, chief cornerstone.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That's true.

[Top Lobster]

How would you. I mean, how would you perceive it anyway? If you're seeing it from below? Yeah. Square.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That's true. Yeah. I was. It makes me think of in Moscow. I think this is one of the most, like, significant UFO sightings that was never really dismissed. And I saw a bunch of different angles to a bunch of different POVs. This probably was around like 2012, maybe 2011. And there were just these fully three dimensional pyramids hovering in the sky with their tips pointed downward at an angle on the planet. And I'm seeing them from people like you. You look at it and you go, this thing looks like a pyramid from Egypt. Not just in the sense that it's a pyramid, but in the scale, the sheer size of them. And, and I remember watching those videos when I was younger and being like, dude, this can't be real, but it looks really good. And, and I was looking at him recently and it's like, yeah, there was never any explanation for it. Nobody was ever able to debunk it. The, the amount of sightings, different people unrelated to one another, capturing it on, on video, reporting it. You know, it wasn't just Moscow either, it was a couple other places, I don't know. I mean, I'm not saying that that's related in any way, but I, I just think when you see the same way when, when, when Tracy's a giant cube, you know, in the woods, and you begin to speculate the significance of, of the cube itself. I think if you see a giant pyramid in the sky, you can start to speculate as to the significance of a pyramid and how it might relate to Egypt and things of that nature. So. But that's an interesting thought.

[Wesley Roth]

I think that's the danger, is that, that it's going to be really easy to convince people that the giant pyramid coming out of the skies, the aliens who built the pyramid are coming back to destroy us.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That's true. That's true.

[Top Lobster]

The years of, the years of manipulation are in play. It's. Here's a crazy thought, gpi. Jonathan says maybe the Fallen or the Nephilim were slaves to the righteous. I mean, I don't know.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

For a time they would have been like, not slaves, but they were his creation, not the Nephilim. But the Fallen were. Before they fell, they were his creation. So they did, they did his bidding. Right. That's the same way that he said before the Watchers fell, they would have been doing the work of, of keeping people on, on track.

[Top Lobster]

And, and also, no, I mean, there's a Kabbalistic story of Solomon controlling these demons, which would be Nephilim, with sigils, some sort of sigil magic. So it's like, well, what's the difference here? They were his slaves. Were they, you know.

[Wesley Roth]

Was part of the building, which I don't know that he was or if it was just why it's in reference to him and Then. Yeah, but he was, you know, chums with them, so. Yeah. And I mean, that's what Eric Von Daniken says too. He thinks Enoch was friends with extraterrestrials who built the pyramids. And it's like. I mean, they literally are extraterrestrials. I don't think that they're the conventional understanding of aliens, but they're not from Earth. They're from somewhere else.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah. I just get mad at Eric Von Daniken because he. He's taking like this. No, not. That's the other guy. I forget what his name is. His name is like. No, Giovanni or something. The guy that's like aliens. That guy. But this guy, Eric Von Daniken, he's kind of like an older dude that appears on. I mean, like an old man that appears on ancient aliens. And he wrote a book called. Called Enoch and the Return of the Gods, which I read only some of, and I kind of put it down because it was like, I, I don't disagree with a lot of his takes. He's looking at certain things through, like, a technological lens, which obviously we're gonna. We do here. And. But it's like he. To continually kind of hit the aliens drum is to miss the point about their nature.

[Wesley Roth]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

And that's what their nature is, that they were created by God the Father, the same God the Father that Jesus Christ is referencing. And to call them anything else is like, there's too much baggage attached to alien. You're. You're. You're muddying the waters. The. There's a. We got the nature of them down pretty well here. And so. But, but other than that, you know, the way he describes things in Return of the Gods is. It's fascinating. And I don't dismiss. Ms. A lot of it.

[Top Lobster]

It's just like Chariot of the Gods.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Well, there's a Chariot of the Gods and there's also the Book of Enoch, Return of the Gods. It's basically his. What would you call it, commentary on the Book of Enoch.

[Top Lobster]

Oh, he did it too. Did he know that Albarino already did that?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

No, no, he is. Von Daniken did it first. Von Daniken did it first. And so, you know, hats off to him.

[Top Lobster]

He'll be hearing from our lawyers. That's right.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I would love to talk to Von Daniken because he doesn't. Doesn't seem like he's totally stuck on this aliens thing. I just don't know why. I think we would almost be better if we threw it out. If we just threw out the idea of aliens and the idea of, you know, space travel and like that we, we would be better off if we took what we know and we saw how it applied to all the pre existing mythos that already exists. Which like each time there's a new mythology, whether it's Greek or Sumerian or this or that, that, it does a fine job of muddying the waters. Yeah. But then here in, in, you know, modern era, we have to create our own mythos and then try to look at it through that lens. And it's like, well, all we're doing is once again adding another layer to muddying the waters. And, and it's just a little bit frustrating because unlike theirs, that comes from like a lot of first hand experience, which ours does too. Ours also comes from a lot of sci fi gay. And it's like, that is not helping. You know, I don't know if, if early man was as fixated on works of fiction as we are. We're, we're doing a lot of works of fiction and entertainment and, and that does a lot of. Maybe they were, but who knows.

[Top Lobster]

Anyway, we weren't calling them.

[Wesley Roth]

I don't know if they were because they had weird stuff going on all around.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That's what I'm saying. I'm like, I don't know if they had to. Like, I know that a lot of our works of fiction are inspired by first hand experience, but then they're sensationalized for Hollywood. But it's just like man, the, the layers of, of mud are too much here. Like I said, you already have to parse through what was Greek mythology and Sumerian mythology and what did the Vedics have going on. And then how does this all apply to Christianity? Christianity being like the main one that tells you the nature of these things. But all of them have a little bit of something to add to the conversation. And then we're like Star Wars. I'm like, you know, man, so close. It's already, we already have a lot going on here.

[Wesley Roth]

Here.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Could we not do all of that? And then we have, you know, ancient aliens, which is, it's, it's just not helping. I don't know.

[Wesley Roth]

Yeah, and then it gets even weirder where it's like, oh, by the way, Thor super cool chill babe.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, like Thor is based.

[Wesley Roth]

I don't know. I don't know.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, well that's it too. Right? Because then we go like, yeah, we'll take Hercules, we'll take Thor, we'll take all these guys, guys, we'll put him in Marvel, Spider Man. And it's like, what, man, you ever see that thing where it's like, did you know that Batman was also. He existed in Sue Mayor? Yeah.

[Wesley Roth]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

And I'm like, I don't think that's real.

[Wesley Roth]

Well, that the mask is not real. The mask is not real.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

The mask that you see, that's associated with like ancient sumer, right?

[Wesley Roth]

Yeah, that's not real.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah. But people are going around like, well, Batman was. Because I did cowl.

[Top Lobster]

I told.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah.

[Wesley Roth]

That.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Information.

[Wesley Roth]

A Batman promo thing. Like they, somebody built it or sculpted it for to compare to that. But it's not actually from that time now the story is real. But that, that cowl is not real. Where it's like, it looks exactly like Ben Affleck's Batman. It's like it's because it was.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

But it's just frustrating. It's just all of it's frustrating. Like we, we've passed all of the mythos through a goofy ass filter and then made it commercialized and then we made, you know, Disney World and it's just like, man, we are not helping ourselves understand this at all. At all. I think if we would have just taken modern day phenomenon and testimony and all those different things that are still happening because we still live in biblical times and we ran them through the filters of the ancients, we probably would have been better off. But now we're, we're gay and we're retarded. Listen, we got to bring it in for a landing. West. This was fascinating. I, I, I, I've never heard of this before. And I think that ancient Egypt and, and especially the pyramids, they need a deeper scrutinization. Maybe they're not as nefarious as I've become comfortable with. With.

[Wesley Roth]

Well, I would say the dynastic Egyptians are. So it's, there's a lot of pyramids in Egypt and this is the only one that doesn't have hieroglyphs or any pagan symbolism in it whatsoever. It has no hieroglyphs. In fact.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Damn, that's even cooler than. Wow.

[Top Lobster]

Didn't know that.

[Wesley Roth]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

No hieroglyphs and no pagan symbolism.

[Wesley Roth]

There's graffiti and the only place there's graffiti is in the pit, the chamber of the ordeal.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

What an ordeal.

[Wesley Roth]

Yeah. Which I'd find it all fasting. Like, I have been geeking out on this all weekend.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

It's like, this is crazy cool, man. Because you brought me a couple of different topics and I said, I want you to talk about whatever you want to talk about. That's always what's going to be the best conversation anyway is what you find.

[Top Lobster]

The most interesting next time you come on. I want to. I mean, I know you've done it on the confessionals, but I do want to talk about your personal stories. I heard them. It was a long time ago. I think you're on Cashman. Long time ago.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Oh, oh, the Treasure episode.

[Top Lobster]

I barely remember it. Yeah, yeah. Yes, yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, I'd like to recap that. Maybe draw a little bit more out.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I don't know. Yeah. And when you get the chance, send out my Pokemon cards.

[Wesley Roth]

We'll do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I will do.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Please.

[Top Lobster]

His legs are shaking right now.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Whatever you got, dude. I really need that Doug trio. Really need that Beedrill. Really need that Clefairy. Listen, Wes, I really want to thank you for your time, brother. Really fascinating stuff. Before we go, where can everybody find you?

[Wesley Roth]

You can find me on the X account on the bottom of the screen. And that's pretty much it.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

What a humble man. What a humble man. Guys. Go follow him on. On Twitter too. Don't say anything, you know off putting or insulting or racially motivated, any of those things. Say night nice things. Tell them how you know how these people are, all right? They're terrible people. We've. We've collected terrible people because we're terrible people.

[Top Lobster]

That's true.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That's true. Tell him how cool is his. His ideas are. Because this is a banger, man. I guess that's it. Is that. Is that all we.

[Top Lobster]

That's it, guys. Wes, thank you. And guys, until next time, don't forget to obey, submit and comply. Well.

[Wesley Roth]

Is a ton box in the.

[Top Lobster]

Corner of the room.

[Wesley Roth]

It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. You can persuade this that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see because they'll laugh in the face of an explanation that portrays the bigger picture of what's happening.

[Top Lobster]

And they have.