211: Who Killed Nimrod? Genesis Secrets w/ Ed Mabrie

Summary

Podcast Summary

Podcast: Nephilim Death Squad

Host(s): Top Lobsta & the Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Guest: Ed Mabry (Faith By Reason)
Episode: 211: Who Killed Nimrod? Genesis Secrets w/ Ed Mabrie
Date: September 10, 2025

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Overview

This episode delves into the mysteries surrounding Nimrod, one of the Bible's most enigmatic figures, notorious as a "mighty one" and the possible archetype for various pagan sun gods. Ed Mabry joins Top Lobsta and the Raven to discuss extra-biblical legends, conspiracies, eschatological fever, and how biblical narratives interweave with global myths, secret societies, and modern spiritual decline.

The conversation connects Biblical events, world mythologies, occult symbolism, and current events—a journey through ancient superscience, esoteric lore, and questions of faith.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Eschatology & the “Fever Pitch” of 2025 (09:00–31:01)

• Rapture Speculations: Heightened anticipation in Christian communities regarding the Rapture possibly occurring around the Jewish feast of Trumpets in September 2025.
  • “The idea that the Rapture may occur this month, later this month, on the feast of Trumpets...” (09:32–09:34, Ed Mabry)
• Three Eye Atlas & Alien Narratives: Conspiracies merge with biblical prophecy: mainstream outlets attribute UAP sightings to extraterrestrial phenomena (Three Eye Atlas comet) with potential Nephilim ties.
  • “Atlas was a Nephilim...if he's coming back, does that mean he's gonna shrug?” (11:27–11:35, Ed Mabry)
  • The symbolism of “third eye” and spiritual law: elites must declare intentions before events manifest, following an occult “as above, so below.”
• The Holy Spirit as Restrainer: The “restrainer” in 2 Thessalonians as the Holy Spirit—his removal would allow the Antichrist’s rise and open floodgates for global supernatural deception.
  • “As long as there is one member of the body of Christ...the Antichrist cannot come.” (22:06–23:13, Ed Mabry)
• Discernment Post-Rapture: Post-church, discernment reverts to an Old Testament mode; Holy Spirit no longer permanently indwells, making spiritual navigation harder for new believers.
  • “To be saved during that time… you’re going to have to be saved the way Old Testament people were saved...” (27:54–28:51, Ed Mabry)
• Warning Against Date-Setting Disappointment: The hosts urge listeners not to allow failed prophecies to cause spiritual crisis, referencing previous failed predications (Harold Camping, etc.).

2. Occult Symbolism, Nimrod, and Global Myth (42:45–54:13)

• Nimrod’s Identity: The original “world emperor”; possible archetype behind Baal, Dagon, Osiris, and sun-gods worldwide.
  • “He was the first world leader...to date, he's the only true world leader…” (46:17–47:03, Ed Mabry)
• Pagan Parallels in Catholicism & World Religion: The “Mother & Child” cult proliferates globally, descendants of Nimrod/Semiramis/Tammuz ideology. Catholic titles for Mary like "Queen of Heaven" are critiqued for echoing Babylonian paganism.
  • “You always see Mary and Jesus. You never see God the Father.” (87:14, Ed Mabry)
• Mother-Child Iconography: Found in Asia, Africa, the Americas. Ed argues this is not evidence of Christianity’s derivation from earlier myths but the counterfeiting of the coming Messiah narrative by paganism.
  • “They knew this was coming...they’re trying to co-opt it and emulate it...” (58:31–59:51, Co-host)

3. Theories about Who Killed Nimrod (65:02–99:38)

Ed breaks down various historical and legendary accounts of Nimrod’s demise:

a. Mosquitoes & Madness (Talmudic Legend)

• God sends bugs up Nimrod's nose, driving him to self-destruction.
  • “God sent mosquitoes and gnats that went up his nostrils...he died by beating his head against a rock...” (65:06–65:30, Ed Mabry)

b. Killed by Esau (Jewish Tradition)

• Esau (Jacob’s brother and a mighty hunter) ambushes and beheads Nimrod, possibly to take his “magical” mantle (Adam’s skins) granting kingly power.
  • “Nimrod was out hunting and Esau ambushed him and cut his head off.” (69:41–70:53, Ed Mabry)
  • Discussion about legendary garments, priestly robes, and ancient artifacts—between scriptural reference and magical folklore.

c. Killed by Abraham (Islamic Tradition)

• Abraham refuses to worship Nimrod, is thrown into a fiery furnace, survives, and eventually slays Nimrod.
  • “Abraham killed Nimrod...once Abraham killed him, God said, okay, you’re the guy I’m going to use...” (75:13–75:36, Ed Mabry)
  • Ed considers the timeline for this story implausible.

d. Killed by Shem (Jewish Mystery Champion)

• Shem, Noah’s son, avenges mankind by killing Nimrod, who is a post-flood Nephilim.
  • “Another Israelite Jewish tradition was that Shem killed him because Nimrod was just a bad person…” (79:17–80:28, Ed Mabry)
  • Discussion of antediluvian (pre-Flood) giants and post-Flood diminishing human stature.

e. The Osiris Parallel and Semiramis Role (Ed's Favored Theory)

• Nimrod is assassinated early (possibly by Semiramis) to give mythic birthplace to Tammuz—the divine child of the mother religion. His death is ritualized as sun-ascendance, paralleling Osiris/Isis/Horus myths.
  • “Nimrod was dead before Simaramus was impregnated with Tammuz...that means Simaramus got her groove on with someone after Nimrod died, which would have gotten her the death penalty...” (81:11–82:23, Ed Mabry)
• Host suggests a possible mythic link to Game of Thrones’ "Robert's Baratheon" death, lifted from these ancient motifs.

4. The Divine Feminine, Social Consequences, and Modern Cultural Decay (88:29–95:50)

• Cultural “Infantilization” & Feminine Spirit: Hosts discuss how society's current state (e.g., “Disney adults,” perpetual adolescence) may reflect the ascendance of the archetypal “whore of Babylon”/Oedipal mother-spirit—spiritual androgyny replacing masculine order.
  • “Yeah, we’re being ruled by this Oedipal mother spirit, this divine feminine. And the fruits of it are perpetual adolescence, adult adolescence, man.” (92:30, Co-host)
• Modern Gender Inversions: Tying masculinity's demonization and women’s embrace of “toxic” traits to occult trends and the suppression of traditional spiritual roles.

5. Closing Remarks: Nimrod's Mystery Unsolved (99:38–99:43 and 110:01–111:12)

• Ed leans toward the theory that Semiramis played a role in Nimrod's death, fitting the narrative of the mother/child cults globally but acknowledges that the actual truth is ultimately lost to history.
  • “I lean towards the earlier death and think Semiramis has something to do with it...” (98:48–99:38, Ed Mabry)

6. Community Notes & Future Plans (101:23–111:12)

• Announcement of upcoming events, VIP Bohemian Grove plans, and a proposed in-person Bible study with Ed Mabry.
• Ed gives a correction about Buddhism's compatibility with Christianity: emptying oneself of ego and prejudice, not embracing nihilism.
• Plugs for Ed’s website and Patreon for deeper theological and esoteric dives.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Spiritual Laws & Manifesting:
  • “They also have this thing where they have to say what they’re going to do before they do it...it’s a spiritual law.” (13:16–14:13, Ed Mabry)
• On Original Paganism & the Divine Mother:
  • “Simiramis made herself the Queen of Heaven. Nimrod was the Sun God and their child...Tammuz was the Holy Child. That’s why you see those same figures all over the world.” (54:09–54:13, Ed Mabry)
• On Mythic Counterfeiting:
  • “When someone says, ‘Oh, there's a book that's older than the Bible,’...show me something that’s older than the Word of God, you have to show me that it’s older than the stars.” (57:54–58:06, Ed Mabry)
• On Eschatological Caution:
  • “If it happens then I’ll apologize to the date-setters when we’re in heaven...But if it doesn’t happen, I just, like you said, just — I don’t want people to be disappointed. Don’t. Because God hasn’t let you down.” (30:46–31:01, Ed Mabry)
• On Modern Society & Spirit of the Age:
  • “What they tell you a strong woman is… she’s a toxic male. She has all the things that women say they hate about men…” (93:22–93:44, Ed Mabry)
• On Nimrod’s Mantle Legend:
  • “The legend is that these skins had magical properties...and that’s how he gained his power, and that’s how he had his authority to say, ‘I’m the ruler because I have the clothing of the first man.’” (67:59–68:45, Ed Mabry)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment | Time | |----------------------------------|----------------| | Hypnotic elites & news cycles | 02:09–03:03 | | Eschatology fever, Rapture talk | 09:00–18:28 | | 3rd Eye Atlas conspiracies | 09:34–17:07 | | Restrainer/Holy Spirit theology | 21:29–27:29 | | Nimrod’s legacy & paganism | 42:45–54:13 | | Detailed death theories | 65:02–99:38 | | Divine Feminine/spirit critique | 88:29–95:50 | | Mythic appropriation discussion | 57:54–61:07 | | Closing/Bohemian Grove notes | 101:23–111:12 | | Ed’s resources/promotion | 110:01–110:48 |

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Resources & Where to Find More

• Ed Mabry’s work: faithbyreason.net and Patreon
• Books:
  • The Little Season of Satan: Hidden History or Hidden Agenda
  • The False Apocalypse
• Nephilim Death Squad: patreon.com/nephilimdeathSquad

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Tone & Atmosphere

The episode is lively, speculative, conspiratorial, and occasionally irreverent—blending deep biblical curiosity with cultural critique, pop-culture, and humor. There’s a clear passion for unpacking mythic history and provoking critical thought about both ancient scripture and modern events.

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Final Takeaway

The fate of Nimrod remains shrouded in myth, legend, and occult reinterpretation, but his legacy endures as both a warning and a template for understanding patterns of power, spiritual deception, and the eternal conflict between true and counterfeit religion.

Transcript

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[Ed Mabry]

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[Ed Mabry]

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Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad. I am David Lee Corbo, AKA the Raven. That is top Lobster, the father of disinformation.

[Top Lobster]

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[Co-host/Interviewer]

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[Co-host/Interviewer]

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[Ed Mabry]

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[Ed Mabry]

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[Co-host/Interviewer]

It's very nice, right? Yeah. I think it matches with my. I got my sneakers on and it's. And it's a. It's a whole outfit.

[Top Lobster]

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[Ed Mabry]

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[Top Lobster]

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[Ed Mabry]

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[Co-host/Interviewer]

Thank you very much, Ed. Before we get into the conversation and it's gonna. I know we were talking before the show. It's going to be about Nimrod, who killed Nimrod. Very interesting stuff. And this is going to be Genesis based, but we got to tell the people where they can find and support Ed Mabry.

[Ed Mabry]

Sure. So faithby reason.net is the main website and a lot of stuff there is going behind the membership paywall. I'm already doing that. It's in process because it's just a ton of information there and I just want it to be for the folks who really want to get into it. They'll still be free stuff there. But for the deeper dive stuff, the Genesis series or Revelation series are going to just go behind membership walls will be previews that I'll put up on on free fees. But if you want to dive deeper, then, you know, just become a member and help support it. And again, 501c3 organization Faith by Reason. So not only do you help support me, you also can possibly talk to your tax professional. Get a little bit of a break from. From Uncle Sam. And the. The place where I'm most active is on my Patreon, just like you guys. My patreon faith by patreon.com faithby reason. That's where you'll get all the content that drops. It drops first there you get bonus content that's exclusive to patrons. And. And for my Faith by Reason members, you all. There's also the Q A. I do Q A videos. You guys send me your questions. The tough stuff. I love the hard questions. And it helps me and it helps you. We both learn and grow from it. And if you go to the. The. The next tier, you can also be a part of our monthly Bible study where we go through the entire. What? Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

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[Ed Mabry]

Oh, these, this. These are the notes. So every week I put out notes for the Bible study. 1. So the Bible says once a month, but I send you notes every week. And these are links to a blog that. This blog has the entire Bible on the blog. But it has a Bible in chronological order. The Bible isn't. The Bible's kind of like Pulp Fiction. If you remember that. That old movie where some.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Ed Mabry]

Where everything's. It tells one story, but it's not chronological. But once you. Once you see the whole movie, you get. Okay, this is where all these things fit in. So for example, you know the book of Job is kind of in the middle of the Old Testament, but the events of the book of Job happen around the time of Abraham, you know, and then you have all what's called the minor prophets who are at the end of the Old Testament there. Most of them are like, you know, happen, you know, before the time of Daniel. And when you, even when you get to the New Testament, the, you know, Paul's letters, some of them happen, you know, they're towards the, you know, towards the middle of M. But many of them happen during the book of Acts. So what this blog does, it puts everything in chronological order. So, so we read the Bible like a novel. And those links, there are links to the sections that I'll be covering during the Bible study. And this last month's study in this month is all about Jesus. And so that's why we have these, those, those notes there.

[Top Lobster]

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[Ed Mabry]

Very cool.

[Top Lobster]

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[Ed Mabry]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

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[Ed Mabry]

You can buy, find the book there. It's called the Little Season of Satan, Hidden History or Hidden Agenda. And it's actually free if you are higher patreon. Otherwise it's 9.99 there. You can get the digital version. If you want to get the paperback, you have to go to Amazon and pay the, the Jeff Bezos tax. But if you want it there. Yeah, I actually have a few over here in my bookshelf. I got my author copies and of course my, my first book is the False Apocalypse on how Revelation chapter six is not the beginning of God's judgments, but it's actually a deception by Satan. His. His is his big deception to actually usher in his world empire under the Antichrist.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Very cool. We've talked about that before with you on the show. But, you know, you do a much deeper dive in the book and it's fascinating, it's very compelling. And after we were done talking about it, I kind of think that is the case. But, you know, we'll leave it for the readers. What? So. So we're gonna get into Nimrod and, and who killed him? Rod? Ed, where do we, where do we start on this topic?

[Ed Mabry]

Well, before we start, I want to talk about something really fascinating that I heard from our mutual. Well, he's. He's been on your show. You've met him. I haven't. Haven't met him in person, but I'm admirer of his. And that's Ellie Marzulli. I was listening to him talk with another guy. They were talking about the Rapture. And I'm bringing that up because we talked about that last time. And you know, the idea that's really gaining a lot of, well, not gaining traction. It's really, it's. It's not a fever pitch on, on in eschatology. And that's the idea that the Rapture may occur this month, later this month, on the feast of Trumpets, which is the 22nd and 23rd, by the way.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Ed, after you said if you were into eschatology that your timeline would have been filled with that. And I hadn't seen it yet. And it was like, you know, when you drive like a red sports car and then all you see is red sports cars.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

After that episode, that same day, my timeline just got filled with it. And you're absolutely correct. It is a fever pitch is a great way to describe it. People are really. This, this thing is. It's got legs and it's moving fast and, and so is, you know, the time. We're in short time now, only a couple of weeks away from it, so we'll find out.

[Ed Mabry]

Right. And you know, the purpose of last week, for those who missed it is. I'm not saying that it's not going to happen. It could, it could. There's very 20, 25. A lot of stuff's happening. I've been actually getting more into that. What is that? That, that three. That. What's the alien thing?

[Top Lobster]

Oh, the Three Eye Atlas.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, Three Eye Atlas.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

I mean, it's fascinating. Did you. Dude, we're going to talk about it this coming Wednesday when we do NEF to America, but the New York Post just released another article that said as 3i Atlas gets closer to us, it is going to likely release drones that will appear to us as UAPs.

[Top Lobster]

I love, I love that. They're like, it's aggressive.

[Ed Mabry]

It's aggressive.

[Top Lobster]

It's gonna release drones.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

We could tell, dude, it's gonna dust. I love it.

[Ed Mabry]

Did they do their war games in New Jersey last year? Was that.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah. Well. And you could say, you know, a number of things about whatever the drones were, but if you're going to this narrative, then they were out and they were surveying the land to prepare for. That was after. I can't. I'm sorry. This is a big thing that, that came by a couple of years ago. Umamua that's the best I could do.

[Top Lobster]

She was the scout.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

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[Top Lobster]

Even tell when it's gonna rain. I'm just saying, honestly. But what do you, what have you been finding out about Three Eye Atlas, Ed?

[Ed Mabry]

Well, that was also on Marzilli show and that's. Well, he was getting into the fact that, you know, Atlas was a Nephilim. You know, he was in Greek mythology. And again, all these characters in mythology who were part God, part quote unquote, part little G God, part human, they're, they're just the, the legends of the Nephilim. You know, in Genesis chapter six, it said they were the mighty men, the Gibborim of old, the men of renown, they were legendary figures. So, you know, Gilgamesh, Hercules, Achilles, all these different entities in, in all over the world. The, every society has their stories of how the gods came down, you know, made it with women and produce these hybrids as everywhere. It's in the Americas, it's in Asia, it's in the Middle east, it's in Africa, it's in Europe, obvious, because it's, it's the same story told by, in different cultures. So. So Atlas was, he was, he was the, the Nephilim who according to legend had the world on his back. He, you know, and if you, if you read the, the book Atlas Shrugged, which actually is one of my, one of my favorite novels, you know, that was the whole idea of, you know, people bearing the weight of the world on their back. And so Atlas, you know, he's, he's Nephilim and he, he has the world on his back. And if he's coming back, does that mean he's gonna, you know, shrug? He's gonna take the world off of his, his shoulders. But it's going to be. So the theory is that it's going to be something about, it's going to be a Nephilim aspect to it. So there's going to be something demonic happening with that if, if everything they're saying about it is true. And then the three eye, you know, third eye, that whole thing. So just people connecting dots with the nomenclature because we know that these people, these, the, the, the elites as we call them, you know, they're not only are they into the occult, obviously deeply, they're worshiping fallen angels, but they also have this thing where they have to say what they're going to do before they do it. It's a spiritual Law we've talked about before, it's the whole as above, so below law. And it's, It's a spiritual law that all spiritual entities and those who deal with them have to do. You have to state something into the spiritual realms that it will manifest in the physical realm. You see this in the Book of Daniel, and we've done a show on it. And I did. I did a show on, with, with Sam Tripoli on it. And it's the, the example in the Bible from the book of Daniel is, when is Daniel, Daniel chapter seven. When you see the, the. The vision of the four beasts. The, the lion with the heart of a man with, with wings. And you have the, the bear raised up on one side, the, the leopard with four heads. And then that indescribable beast. Well, those are world empires. Babylon, middle Persia, Greece and Rome. And this was basically the fallen Elohim giving their plan as to how they're going to usher in their false messiah, their. Their Antichrist, because he's the little horn with full of eyes. And, and so why would they reveal their plan? Because they have to. They have to. It has to be spoken.

[Dr. Dennis Black]

Greetings, naturopathy. Dr. Dennis Black here, founder of Rough Greens. And if only dogs could talk. I think a lot of them would say, hey, thanks for the love, but this food, it's not working for me. The truth is, they'd be right. Because most dog food, wet or dry, is cooked at such high temperatures that every live nutrient in it is destroyed. And what you're left with is dead food bulked up with fillers and sprayed with artificial flavors. That's not what dogs need. But when you add back in the live vitamins, omega oils and antioxidants, you're in Rough Greens. Your dog would say something different. Like they'd say, wow, this is delicious. Or sluggish dogs might say, hey, let's go for a walk. Older dogs might say, I feel like a puppy again. It's not magic. It's biology. Don't just imagine it. See it in your dog. I'll send you a free Jumpstart trial bag for your dog. You just cover the shipping. Go to roughgreens.com use discount code talk. That's ruff greens discount code talk. If your dog could only talk, they'd say thank you.

[Ed Mabry]

And then it manifests. And that's why God could judge it. God basically said, okay, that's what you guys are going to do. Got it. And it's going to manifest. Here's my counter plan. I'm going to bring a son of man riding on the clouds, which was Jesus, a man with the authority of Jehovah. And he's going to inherit the nations. So. And so Jehovah did the same thing. He spoke it and it manifests. Genesis chapter one. What does. How does God bring recreate the world? He says let there be. He speaks and things manifest. So that is a spiritual law. So if so going back to this Third Eye Atlas, if this is part of that manifestation process, they have to speak. They have to tell us what's going to happen beforehand. You know, we saw with, with 911 back in the Matrix. You know, Neo's what was his life, not his driver's license was September 11th. You know, when you have the, the Simpsons, all the, all the stuff, they have to say it before it happens. It's not because by the way, little.

[Top Lobster]

Little teaser for the audience. We booked the actual original creator of the Matrix.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah, yeah, that's right. Tom something. I forgot what his last name was, but this is the guy that wrote it. And then those lovely ladies.

[Ed Mabry]

Brother sisters.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah, well, they stole it from him and. And so he's gonna come on and apparently they twisted because the, the story is filled with so much Gnosticism and the Demiurge and all this crap. We're in a prison realm. And so I'm eager to see because he, he alleges that they twisted it in one way or another. It'll be fantastic to actually talk to the guy. But I wonder what its original message was because I look at it as just Gnostic, ancient AI Demiurge, prison planet crap. So we'll see. But we're gonna have him on, which should be a fascinating conversation.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, I've got to check that out. I'm curious myself. I've heard. I heard the. Not the rumor, but yeah, I guess I heard that. That they stole it from. Yeah. Someone else. I. I didn't know who the person was, but I'll have to check that episode out.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

You know that, that whole notion ed of having to speak a thing and, and effectively manifest it in the spiritual realm in order for it to take place here in the, in the physical realm. I understand what you're saying and looking at how much they are, you know, just. You can't even call it speculating. But it's just like all of the things that they're claiming Three Eye Atlas is going to do. It's going to be here in November. It's going to be aggressive. It's going to release drones that are going to appear as UAPs, they are doing a whole lot of manifesting. And you know, I, I am of the school of thought that if you were a betting man, you could safely put your money on nothing's gonna happen. Because traditionally or historically speaking, you know, we talked a lot about Harold camping and things like that. These date setters, they come along, they say a thing's gonna happen, it doesn't happen and it causes people to fall away. I always err on the side of nothing is going to happen. They're doing a lot of manifesting, looking at things, and I'm going, this is fascinating because they're really putting a lot of eggs in one basket right now. And if this doesn't come to pass, they're gonna look like.

[Top Lobster]

When does that ever stop them?

[Co-host/Interviewer]

That's true.

[Ed Mabry]

Well, here's what I would say. If the Rapture doesn't occur. And again, and that's why we did the show last week, I don't want people to be disappointed again. 2025 is a big year. We'll get back to the third eye thing in a second. But 2025 is a big year for a lot of reasons. Did you believe.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah, I'm sorry to interrupt, but Daddy Profit Bunny is in the chat here. He says I gotta look into it, but Gary Wayne has been talking about Alice Bailey and the externalization of the hierarchy happens in 2025. And just like our previous episode, Ed, we talked a lot about these occult mascots, if you will, right? Alice Bailey. Bailey, yeah, right. Even, even Baba Vanga, the old, you know, sort of Russian clairvoyant who was blind.

[Ed Mabry]

She.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

And, and all these people pointed to 2025 as being golden age. The, the beginning of the age of Aquarius or, or the official shift into it. The, the era or the year in which we were going to encounter aliens. I think even Blavatsky said the return of Christ. So all these things. Uh, I highly recommend people go and check out the last episode that we did with you, Ed, because we nailed all that stuff down. It's a weird, it's a weird year.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, it really is. And, and, and here's the thing. If the Rapture does happen, you know, before November, then I, I would not be surprised if those things manifest. If it doesn't happen. If, if it doesn't, then I don't think the rest of the third Eye out stuff is going to happen. And here's why. Because as I'm sure we've talked about this before, there's a Restrainer, you know, second Thessalonians. Paul tells the Thessalonians, because they were. Thessalonians were freaked out because Roman persecution had started and they thought the tribulation, the. The day of the Lord had occurred. And Paul says, no, guys, calm down. You know, don't, don't be shaken in your faith as if the day of the Lord had already occurred, because that, that won't happen first unless a falling away comes first. And then the. The man of sin is revealed. He says, but, you know, he who restrains that which restrains and, and he will continue to restrain until he is taken out of the way. My opinion, I think it's shared by, by many in biblical reasons, is that this restrainer is the Holy Spirit, because only the Holy Spirit can restrain Satan. It says a spirit of lawlessness. That's. And the Antichrist is called the lawless one. That's one of his titles. He said, the spirit of lawlessness is already at work. This was in the first century, yet there's someone restraining him. So for 2,000 years, he's been. Satan's been trying to. People have this idea that Satan is like this Machiavellian villain, like, you know, like the emperor in Star Wars. He's sitting on his throne saying, you know, good, good. My slowly coming together. No, he wanted, he wanted to do this from day one. He tried it with Nimrod. You know, he's tried it throughout history. He's not waiting for anything. He's being restrained. So what does that have to do with. With things manifesting? Well, where's the Holy Spirit? The Holy Spirit indwells the church.

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[Co-host/Interviewer]

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[Ed Mabry]

And that's why, I think that's why we don't see as much supernatural stuff. I mean, the speed of light stuff has something to do with that as well. I think we don't perceive it. But you know, there, there were a lot of supernatural stuff happening regularly. People are possessed by demons regularly and people, it's no big deal. You know, all these things that happen in the Old Testament, we don't see them today. And I think it's because the Holy Spirit is restraining things and. But the fact that we're seeing it more and more now that there's a lot more supernatural things manifesting, I believe it's, it's a sign of the weakening of the Church. Because if the Holy Spirit indwells the church and he's holding things back, well, then that means the weaker the church becomes and the fewer people in the church there are and, and the less they are empowered, then the less that. And that diminishes a restraining influence and that allows the darkness to come in. So all that to say is as long as there is one member of the body of Christ and dwell by the Holy Spirit on earth, the Antichrist cannot come. Because Paul just said, you know, what restrains until he is taken out of the way, it has to be physically taken out of the way. So the Antichrist cannot manifest until as long as there's one person, one Christian in, in which the Holy Spirit indwells is here.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

What do you think that would do ed to, to people's discernment in, in that time? Because, you know, a lot of discernment I would attribute to the Holy Spirit. It's just like this knowing of things that you don't really have the information for, but you're pulled towards it and it ends up being the truth. And then, you know, in this time, I just wonder. There's going to be, you know, you have this rapture. A ton of people are going to wake up because of that. You know, they're going to go, oh my God. Like people that weren't all the way there, they're going to see it happen. They're going to go. And of course there will be people. We talked about the preparation of this idea that the occult has had for a long time that there are people that are holding us back from ascension. They need to be removed. So the people will receive a narrative that will more or less say it was these religiously constrainted individuals, these dogmatic individuals that were keeping us from, from ascending. Now they're off the table, yada, yada. So a lot of people are going to fall for that, but there will be some that are going to go, oh my God, no, that was the rapture.

[Ed Mabry]

Right.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Just like I suspected. But I didn't put all my eggs in that basket.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah. The Rapture at all. But that must be what she was talking about when she kept trying to convert me.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. So when those people are, are, you know, they're galvanized to Christianity after that in some way, shape or form. I just wonder what their discernment is going to look like. Because if the Holy Spirit is removed, then where does that spiritual guidance come from when you don't have the information, but something pulls you towards the truth?

[Ed Mabry]

That's a great question. So thanks, thanks for bringing up because I, I think people would be wondering, well, what about the people who were saved during the tribulation? There's going to be a tremendous number of, we call tribulation saints. That's, that's the Christian colloquialism for them. But we know that by the midpoint of the tribulation there you, you'll see it in actually in Revelation chapters 7 and chapter 14, where there are people in heaven who, it says no man can number. Well, I mean that obviously it's not literal. That will be infinite people. And there's infinite, don't be infinite people don't exist. I think it means a lot of people that you probably couldn't number in a day or something. So we're talking possibly millions of people who are. And, and the apostle John ask an angel, like, who are these people that are in heaven? Because they're singing this new song that no one has ever sung before. And the angel says, these are those who came out of the great tribulation and washed their robes in the blood of the Lamb. These are tribulation saints. So they're going to be saved, but the Holy Spirit's not going to work the same way. The Holy Spirit was only promised to the bride, to the church. Once the church is taken out of the way the Holy Spirit is, it will still be active, but he won't be indwelling the church permanently. It says in the New Testament, I don't have the chapter verse in front of me, so forgive me, but it says that when, when you are part of the church, when you accept Jesus, the Holy Spirit is given to you without repentance. Repentance means that to turn away, it means that he will not be taken away from you. So the. If you are a Christian now, if you're the bride of Christ, the Holy Spirit is in you and he will not leave. Now that's. That's the church period. The church age is going to end, and then the Holy Spirit will be behaving the way he was in the Old Testament. The Holy Spirit was very active in the Old Testament, but he would come and go. A good example of this is Samson. You know, Samson, don't look, don't think about the cartoons or things you see, but he's like some big, strong, burly guy. No, his strength came from the Holy Spirit. I'm guessing that Samson was probably a kind of a scrawny guy. That's probably why people were so amazed when he did these feats of strength. But the Holy Spirit would descend upon him and he would do these feats of strength. Then the Holy Spirit would depart. In the psalms, in the book of, in the book of Psalms, David says, in one of the Psalms, he begs God, he said, don't let your spirit depart from me. Well, that's not. That's not a prayer a Christian needs to. To say, because the Holy Spirit's not going to depart from him. So the Holy Spirit will be active, but he won't be indwelling the church. He will not be permanently indwelling anyone on earth. You can still be saved. People in the Old Testament were saved. You know, we expect to see, you know, Abraham and Moses and, you know, the Joshua and David and all these. We'll see them in heaven. They were saved, but they weren't part of the church. The church is a special. The Ecclesia were a special group that were specifically indwelled by the Holy Spirit at the day of Pentecost. And up until the time that the bride is taken out of the way. So that. So there will be discernment, but it won't be constant.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

That's fascinating. That'll make things a lot more difficult. But at the same time, you would have seen. I think that that sounds a lot to me like for those who have the Holy Spirit dwelling within them, they'll be performing what will be perceived as miracles. So that'll kind of be, you know, a great way to wait. But it'll a really difficult time just in general, because people will be lacking in in that discernment. You know, man, that's, that's going to be.

[Ed Mabry]

It's going to be tough. I mean, to be saved during that time. You're going to have to be saved the way the Old Testament people were saved. They're gonna, they were saved just by believing in the future. Because again, Jesus, when David and Moses and Abraham were around, Jesus hadn't died yet, but they believed in the promise. And so, you know, when technically during the tribulation, we go back to Old Testament rules. So that's a whole. We have to do a show on that, just on how people will be saved during the tribulation. It's going to be a little different than the way it is today. But my whole point is that the Restrainer has been taken away in order for all their machinations. The alien stuff, which we all know is a deception that cannot happen in the advent of the Antichrist. I don't think it can't happen until the Holy Spirit is taken out of the way. So if, you know, the, all this Rapture stuff is true about later this month, then yeah, there's like, there's a good likelihood if we're still here, then I think it's less of a likelihood. There may still be some craziness happening, but it won't be at the scale that, you know, the, the fallen ones want it to be.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

I'm, I'm actually, you know, I haven't.

[Top Lobster]

I said David has questions here. That's why.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

It's not that I necessarily have questions. I'm just excited because, you know, when I was younger, I used to go through this all the time where it was like I thought a thing was going to happen and then it didn't come to pass. And like, you know, still. Yeah, be reasonable, guys. You know, we talked about in previous episode, I think Ed, you did a great job of highlighting sometimes these things happen and then the date does comes and passes and there is no event and it causes people to fall away. Don't let that happen. Right? You're, you're, instead you're putting your faith in, in sort of the predictions of, of man. And then because the predictions end up being wrong, then you have a falling away with, with God. And that's, you know, certainly not a conclusion that you have to jump to. That being said, it's, it's, it's always. I always get excited, you know, because I do genuinely, I, I love the truth. I wouldn't be doing this otherwise. And anything that seems like we might have. Oh, A little bit of a heads up, we might have an idea of what's coming. And sometimes that's true. Right? My, my, my wife was scrolling through Tick Tock and my wife. And she, she found a video. She's like, look at this. And it's Jesse Ventura talking to a lady. And she's like, one day, you know, it's going to escape from a lab and they're gonna force us to get this medical intervention and, and the, and that's what's going to be dangerous. And, and I'm leaving the country. And that was all the way back in 2009. And I said, oh, yeah, I, I saw that. But it aired, you know what I mean? Like, that's what put me ahead of the curve. So you can, it's not all folly. In other words, you can be paying attention and step the right way when a thing comes to pass and, and avoid it. Unlike, you know, millions of people who didn't avoid this situation in 2020. Had you just been paying attention, it wasn't hard to find. It was out there. This could be one of those scenarios. And I just, I get excited, you know, because I want to see some funky. That's.

[Ed Mabry]

That's right. Yeah. I mean, if, if it happens that I will apologize to the date setters when we're in heaven. Hey, you know what? My bad. You know, the next heavenly beer is on me. But if, if it doesn't happen, I just, like you said, just, I don't want people to be disappointed. Don't. Because God hasn't let you down.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Ed Mabry]

So. Yeah, so that's what, so, yeah, But I think 2025 is going to be. I mean, we're happy. We're over halfway through the year and, you know, we've had some interesting things happen, but apparently it's going to get even crazier whether or not the, the rapture happens. But one of the things that Marzulli talked about in that same episode is something I hadn't thought about is what happens at the Rapture. Because we have this idea that I believe too, probably until Marzali said this, and it made me think about it, is that we have this idea that as soon as the rapture happens, it says in a moment of the twinkling of the eye, we will all be changed. And then we'll go, go into heaven and go into the clouds. And so the classic idea of that, you know, from the movies you've seen about the Rapture left behind books and all that kind of stuff, is that we're going to just disappear. We're just gonna poof. And we'll. It'll either be a pile of clothes on the floor, or. I don't know if our clothes go with us or whatever. But Marcel, he said, you know, the Bible doesn't actually say that we're zapped away instantly. It says we will meet him in the clouds, but doesn't say immediately because you. If we are mirroring. Mirroring the ascension of Jesus. Well, Jesus resurrected. He didn't. He wasn't that. He went to heaven for a moment, then he came back down. He said, I have to ascend to my Father. But then he came back down. He was on earth for like, 50 days. 40 days.

[Top Lobster]

40 days, yeah.

[Ed Mabry]

Yes. He was hanging out with people. Hey, showing himself. When it also says. And this is one areas of the Bible that people don't really dwell on. It says that when he resurrected, a bunch of people were resurrected with him. The graves were open and people came out and they showed themselves to people in Jerusalem, say, hey, you know, remember me? I'm dead. Maybe somebody. Not the apostles, some of the prophets and people like that who are. Who are well known and saying, hey, look at me, I resurrected Jesus. That's. That's actually in the Gospels. So Marcel said, what if we aren't instantly taken up? What if we're. We get raptured? I'm changed. Let's say. Let's say I'm raptured. I'm hoping desperately that I am. Let's say I'm here. I'm not in my glorified body on September 23rd, and I'm. Yeah, I'm going to ascend to Jesus. But before I do that, I'm going to witness to some people. I'm like, look, I'm in my glorified body. You can, you know, you. I'm. I'm immortal. I can.

[Top Lobster]

That would actually set the Three Eye Atlas to about 40 days after.

[Ed Mabry]

Right?

[Top Lobster]

What do you mean, if they're saying that it's going to arrive in November?

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah. Oh, oh, oh, right, right, right.

[Top Lobster]

Oh, I don't know. I'm just saying that's crazy.

[Ed Mabry]

But.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Oh, also, I have a question.

[Top Lobster]

Do you think Does It Take 40 Days for your. For your body to be like.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

You just travel around. That's it.

[Top Lobster]

Get used to it. It's like, all right, before you can come in here, or you, You.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

You know, you. You witness to people for 40 days, I wonder if we'll be shredded, like, if our glorified bodies will Be buffed, you know, that would be super cool.

[Top Lobster]

Well, your glorified body could stand to lose some weight, but yeah, I would.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Hope my body would be at least like four inches taller.

[Ed Mabry]

Four.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

And I'll take four inches. Lord, please, if you got them, give them to me. I'll take them.

[Top Lobster]

Lainey, clip that.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, you just messed yourself up there.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Seriously.

[Ed Mabry]

But, but I'm guessing that we're, you know, going to be healthier. I mean, we're not going to have, you know, a lot of X. I wouldn't mind, you know, getting a little. Get some shredding happening here. I'm sure I'm not going to go up there, you know, looking like. Like I need to drop about 20 pounds, which I kind of do right now. But. Yeah, definitely. That's a good point. I don't know if we're going to be like, you know, shredded. Shredded. But I think we'll, you know, we'll. Our bodies will be healthy looking.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Super, super ripped. I'm hoping for super ripped and 4. 4 inches taller. Yeah, that, that is an interesting idea though. That three eye atlas would be. Yeah, about, about, about 40 days out from that point. That's.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ed Mabry]

I don't know.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Hell of a coincidence.

[Top Lobster]

Don't, don't, don't follow my math.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

No, no, no. That's Harold's camping behavior. Right.

[Ed Mabry]

We don't want to do it. So I don't know. I mean, it could be that we're zapped away. Poof. But what Marzuli said, I mean, it has some, some credence to. Says we will be caught up, but. And he says, you know, the caught up part as well. But he also says will be changed. So we'll be changed first, then we're caught up. Maybe they're happening simultaneously. Maybe we're changed and caught up, but if. Doesn't necessarily have to be. We will go ahead, meet him in the clouds. But what if we're. What if we're in our resurrected bodies for, I don't know, days, weeks, 40 days.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

That's an interesting thought. I mean, we do have this. When are. You know, because it says that in Revelation, right? That these there are supposed to be. And I don't know if that's what we're talking about here, but these bodies that come out of their graves and, and, you know, I guess before Judgment, is that, Is that the same thing?

[Ed Mabry]

So say that again. You were kind of breaking up a.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Little, this idea that bodies would emerge from their graves, you know, and I don't know if that's like before judgment or, or if it's for this particular thing.

[Ed Mabry]

Well, right after Armageddon, there's what's called the, the first resurrection or the completion of the first resurrection. It's a category where everyone who died in Christ will, will come back and they'll rule and reign with him for the thousand years. So, so that's what happens. I mean it's. Some people, even some of my, my little season opponents will say, well no, it clearly says that, you know, there's no rapture because the first resurrection is at the end of the, at the end of Armageddon. Well, no, the first, the first resurrection has to be a category because there were people who were resurrected before. I mean Lazarus, you know, the, the Jesus raised people from the dead. Jesus himself was, he was the first fruits of the resurrection. And the first fruits were all the other people who were, who came out of the graves with Jesus in the Gospels. So this, so the first resurrection is a category of people who are all resurrected. So the, the end. So the last person resurrected in Christ will be resurrected before, before the millennial reign. So that's the only place in Revelation where it talks about a resurrection of the, of a resurrection of, of believers. There will be another quote unquote resurrection at the, in the Great White Throne judgment. That's the one you don't want to be a part of. You don't want to be part of the second resurrection.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Shout out to Ricky Lynn asking the, the hard hitting questions. She says, what about people that were cremated? Which is, you know, I, I wonder about that because Crema don't do that. It's just gonna come back as just a bu. That you're greeting and then you'll notice like piles of dust just kind of moving around the floor like oh, that sucks really bad.

[Ed Mabry]

What was that other movie? The Mummy didn't have one of those like the Mummy character. He was able to do that, but.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

No, actually, yeah, he turned into sand and moved around. Yeah, but they won't be able to turn into bodies.

[Ed Mabry]

We'll keep in mind that everyone's body decomposes whether you're cremated or not. All our bodies turn back to dust. The cremated people just happens faster. Actually. Who was it? I think it was Chuck Mr. Who gave this analogy, Jurassic Park. I mean, how did, how were they able to recreate the dinosaurs? They just needed their DNA. They didn't need to have the body of the dinosaur. So we. Your DNA still exists or I'm sure there's A record of it. I'm just, I'm obviously speculating here. There's a heavily record of your, of your, of your DNA, and that's all you need to recreate the body because the, the people who've died. You know, I have relatives who died. My, My grandfather died in 1993. He was saying, yeah, he's, he's dust at this point. Yeah.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

So if not, it's going to be real. Screw. You know those people that turn themselves into diamonds and there's just like little gemstones rolling around in the ground. That could be. Or your ring comes to life. That'll be right.

[Ed Mabry]

When he rose from, from the dead, his body was brutalized and he came back healthy. But here's the thing is, and I think you talked about this before, is that, you know, he, he kept us, he kept his scars.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah, that's right.

[Ed Mabry]

That's why people. I think it's one of the reasons why people have such trouble recognizing him when he rose from the dead. People always said, is that okay? I guess that's. That must be Jesus. But, and, and, and they, they knew him by his voice. But I think he kept to the scars of the brutalization just so that we have a witness of, of what he went through for us. So. And I, I, I'm pretty sure that's optional. I don't think that, you know, all of our scars. If, you know, if someone lost a limb, I don't think they're going to spend eternity with one arm. I'm, I'm pretty sure they'll be fully healthy. I think Jesus did that for his own reasons to, as a witness that. Of what he. The price he paid for us. I mean, all that to say that all the damage was obviously repaired because he was, he was dead. You know, he's. Crucifixion is brutal on your body. Your, Your heart muscle tears, your lungs filled with fluid. Well, that was obviously taken care of when he resurrected.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

All right, well, yeah, Jen says, what about people that were eaten by a shark? That could also be. I would hope that Ed's right because you don't want to come back with shar attacks and missing legs and stuff like that before. This is worse than before.

[Ed Mabry]

Hopefully you come back and I kick that shark's ass. It's like, yeah, see you did.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah, he was just home run back to sharks.

[Ed Mabry]

You can beat him up.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

All right, so, so do we. Are we gonna get into Nimrod now?

[Ed Mabry]

Unless you have anything else about.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

No, I think we don't have do we have any more silly questions?

[Top Lobster]

No, I. Honestly, I am so exhausted with the 3i Atlas stuff.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

I. I love it. Every time you do it. I get it. I get so excited.

[Top Lobster]

That's why I'm exhausted.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, you got that. And then you've got the popus, supposedly happiness, which is another. I don't think what we talked about the last. We didn't talk about it last week. The Apophis, which is the. Which is thought to be wormwood, which happens around the midpoint of the tribulation. And if that happens at. In. In 2029, then you have to go back, you know, three and a half years. And that gets us, you know, right around where we are and all that sort of. Sort of thing.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah, I watched a whole. My buddy, I went to New Jersey and he wanted to show me a video from the Y files. And I said, sure, I'll check him out. And he sat next to me and he put it on his lap and he. It was 40 minutes and he made me watch the whole thing. It was insane. I said, who does this? This is an absurd friend. Yeah, he did this to me. He's also the guy that'll be like, watch this music video and hold this phone in front of my face for three minutes. And so it was all about Apophis. And yeah, long story short, you know, it's gonna potentially course correct. It's an oblong shaped object. You can predict its course now, but because of its. Its strange shape, you can't really make any concrete predictions. If it changes, you know, the trajectory by a few degrees, it ends up clobbering our planet, and we get sent into a sort of a nuclear ice age situation where the dust blots out the sun and we all go underground. Fascinating side note, the entire video was made with AI and it was excellent. The dialogue was excellent. The. The AI actors were believable. I was like, this is. This is more concerning than the. Than the ash, in my opinion.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah. AI is a whole other conversation. It keeps getting more and more crazy. Yeah. All right, so. Oh, and. And basically, Pope is expected to either crash into us or do that flyby. I think at the. On one of the Jewish feast. I think it's the feast of tabernacles in 2029.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Oh, is it that?

[Ed Mabry]

Or.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Maybe it's that. Or it could have been Easter Sunday. I. I remember a mention, but this was all like, you know, projected and speculated by AI And I think he might have just dropped in the Easter Sunday as a. As a Like, isn't that, you know.

[Top Lobster]

You really watch all 40 minutes?

[Co-host/Interviewer]

What am I supposed to do? I'm like, haven't seen you in four years. What do you want to do? He's like, I'd be like, I know.

[Top Lobster]

I haven't seen you in four years, but this is disrespectful.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

It was crazy. It was a crazy move. He didn't even flinch either. He never went like, this is a little long, huh? He just said, watch this. And I. And I. And I did. It was. It was.

[Ed Mabry]

All right, so let's get into Nimrod before people start complaining that we. We. We did a bait and switch on them. So as part of the Genesis series, when I get to it, obviously. Well, I'll be talking a lot about Nimrod. And there's a lot of mysteries about him, a lot of things that we have to bring in from extra biblical sources, because the Bible in Genesis doesn't say a ton about him directly. I think indirectly it says a lot because I think he is the. The progenitor of a lot of the false gods that the Israelites were always worshiping. Because Nimrod became the. He was the sun God. People say he might have been the incarnation of BAAL or Dagon, because, you know, interesting that, you know, Dagon was the fish God. He would wear that hat which looked like an open mouth of a fish, which is actually a version that is worn by a very popular religious figure who. Vatican has a big fish hat of Dagon on. Why would a Christian leader have a.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Anyway, it's crazy how you could just do that, by the way. Like, it's like, you know, all the. The biblical lore and this guy's like, fish hat. And nobody even says anything.

[Ed Mabry]

No.

[Top Lobster]

Jay Dyer just posted a video of him last year. I think the previous Pope were just some strippers, male strippers dancing for him.

[Ed Mabry]

No.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm just like, okay, is that real? And he's like, you know, I listen.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

You know what else I saw was. Was the Pope and he's got his. His, you know, his get up on. And if you look at some of the details on the get up, some of them are like these weird sort of. You know how there's the Nazca lines where you can see them from the aerial view, and it's like there's a monkey and everything. There are other images that are equally as famous and. But they're like, of these entities, you know, and these are from, like some really historic, like, cave drawings and they're just on his. His. Get up.

[Ed Mabry]

Oh.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Oh, this is the Pope that looked like a demon.

[Top Lobster]

Well, which one?

[Ed Mabry]

Pull it up.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah, go ahead. Benedict looked like Star wars, yo.

[Ed Mabry]

What?

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Are you kidding me, bro?

[Ed Mabry]

Whoa. Is this. This is an A.I. right?

[Co-host/Interviewer]

This. This has to be A.I.

[Top Lobster]

No, this. This was posted, like, two years ago.

[Ed Mabry]

Dude, those. Those pants are snug.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Those are some snug pants. Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Those are some handsome men.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

What's going on here? These men are they. They have their. Their spiritual body bodies or whatever.

[Ed Mabry]

Resurrected bodies.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

See, this is crazy, though, because they could totally do acrobatics for the Pope without being half naked.

[Ed Mabry]

But maybe he's looking at him.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Elevating. That was crazy. Get that off the screen. This is a Christian show.

[Ed Mabry]

These people.

[Top Lobster]

No, there's a lot. There's a lot of Catholics that watch this, and they're not happy.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah, well, I mean, they didn't pick up on the fish hat. And so he's like, these people. I can pretty much do anything.

[Top Lobster]

They keep telling me to go to Mass, but I keep seeing.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Why? So I can go hang out with fish hat and male strippers and. Yeah, apparently, by the way, he was a Nazi youth. Pope Benedict. He was part of the. You know, they were looking for the Jews, and he was a child that was associated with. You know, let's get back on subject.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, yeah. Just real quick. When he was first coronated or whatever, this Pope, this lady I work with, she. She was freaking out. She was a Jewish lady, and she was like, oh, this guy, He's. He's a Nazi. I'm like, really? And she, like, brought the goods, and I'm like, oh, wow. Yeah, Hitler. Okay, well, that's.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah, dude was a legit Hitler youth. He's one of the best. He found a lot of Jews. Now, I don't know how true that is.

[Ed Mabry]

He might have sucked, but.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

But yeah, that's what he was doing.

[Ed Mabry]

So. So. So that was Nimrod. So real quick primer on. On Nimrod. Obviously, Nimrod was. He was the. The. The great grandson of Noah. And he said he became. He began to become a mighty one, a Gibborim. He became a Nephilim. He was altered somehow to become a Nephilim. He was the first world leader. Actually. Actually, to the. To date, he's the only true world leader. I mean, every. All these empires, they are a portion of the world. You know, even Rome was. Was basically, you know, Europe, Northern Africa, and parts of the Middle East. But there. There's never Been a world emperor other than Nimrod. He was the first. All people were with him. And he was. His name meant we will rebel. Which is really funny because now. Now the term Nimrod was a slang for an idiot, but that's not what. That's not what the name. The name means he will. We will rebel in.

[Top Lobster]

That's right. Yeah. Like, old cartoons would use that.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah, like, oh, you're such a. Yeah. So somebody in the chat said it, and I thought the same thing when I was younger. I just thought it meant idiot.

[Top Lobster]

And check this out. This is a little bit of a detour with something that we learned from Sean of Kingdom in context. He's a really good YouTube page.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yes.

[Top Lobster]

He was reading from the Book of Enoch to us, and it's like Enoch, chapter 7, verse 1 or something like that. Oh, no, it's. Maybe it might be.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

It was really early. It's like, yeah, they took wives.

[Top Lobster]

It says they. It's like they took wives. Then it says that they.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

They taught them the cutting of roots and other enchantments.

[Top Lobster]

And then they were Nephilim, and it.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Was like, literally in that. It was like, they took wives, taught them the cutting of roots, and then there were Nephilim. And you're like, why are they teaching them?

[Top Lobster]

You know, so this guy.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Is it botany?

[Ed Mabry]

Botany.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Why are they teaching him botany? And then all of a sudden, you go to giants.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, it was. It was just pure. It wasn't just pure body. It was spell casting. They were teaching magic, essentially. And the reason for that is because, again, for wives, it's funny. And I'll probably bring this up on some future podcasts that I'll be on. Is that Tim Albarino? Who I. I think you know. I know, you guys see, he was kind of weird on. On your show, but I like a lot of the work he does. But one of the things that I. I think he didn't present well when he was on what the. The Michael Knowles show a few months ago is he was talking about why the. The fallen angels wanted to be with women on Earth. And he kind of made it seem like they're just a bunch of frat boys who are. Who. Who wanted to get laid. And they had. They just saw women like, oh, my God, these boobs, these butts. I just wanted. That's. That's not the reason. Boobs. I've never seen boobs before. Boobs. No, it's not that. Because it doesn't make any sense. Could have that desire. Then that means that God created them with a desire for sex with human beings. I mean, that that would be unfair for God to give them that desire and they had no legitimate outlet for it because angels don't have intercourse with each other and they are not intended to have intercourse with humans. So it would be completely unjust of God to give them this drive to do something that he doesn't want them to do. No, the reason they wanted these, because again, they wanted to make the Nephilim because they wanted to have them as their proxies to rule the earth. That's why they married them. They didn't just have sex with one. The Bible says here in, in Genesis and in Enoch, they married them. They entered into a legal marriage covenant. And part of a legal marriage covenant, which you have to give gifts. If the groom found a bride he wanted. If the bride said yes, then the groom would give her gifts as part of the. Like a dowry, so to speak, in, in reverse order. And then they would get married.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Right, because if it was just about boobs, they would have just got boobs. They wouldn't have been like, let's also marry these things. They complain a lot, but.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. Well, so the, the point of what I was bringing up is that he was talking about the cutting of roots, and then he brought up a chart about how you would cut roots and how you would play with the hormones of different plants. And one of the hormones of the plant, the most important one, is this one here. It's called Gibberellin. It's a. A group of plant hormones that. Hormones that stimulate elongation, germination, and flowering.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

So it has to do with the, the regulation of. Of growth.

[Top Lobster]

It's used in Miracle Grow and other formulas like that. But it's called gibberellin, and it's like the surname of Gibberim.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

And it doesn't effectively, like, turn off the function that regulates growth.

[Top Lobster]

That's what it. Yeah, that's what it does. The, the chemical that they're using turns off the function that. And they, they do it in chickens as well. So, like, I had. I had some chickens out there that'll grow to maturity in six weeks. It's because that function has been turned off in them or it's been bred out of them. So they just grow and they'll turn the size of a bowling ball. They'll. They'll get as big and fat as they possibly could until they die.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

And that's actually something that you see. You can observe that in like a liger. Let's say like cross species, they. They have that. That genome turned off. So they get absolutely enormous. So the implication here is that the, the teaching of cuttings, the cutting of roots was actually the teaching of how to turn off that growth regulation genome.

[Top Lobster]

Some sort of like early pharmacia. But it's just an interesting thought.

[Ed Mabry]

I'm like, no, that's, that's cool. I mean, that fills in some gaps. I like that. I like that idea that, I mean, that, that explains maybe why they were in addition to being supernatural, that's why they were so bloody big.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

And, and also it explains how someone could become gibberellum because if you could. Or Gibbourine, because if you can figure out how to turn off that. That growth regulation hormone within, you know, a person, then what happens? Does it just kind of go out of control and they get gigantic? So, yeah, it was just fascinating because as soon as we saw that and.

[Top Lobster]

It was like he became gibberine. It's like, well, they're playing with. There's some pills, there's some tinctures that they're messing with. It seems like a physical thing.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, yeah. Something happened. He was altered to be. He was not born a gibbering. He, he. He and his, well, his, his father Kush and his Kush's wife Simaramus became Nimrod's wife later, which is disgusting. They, you know, they, they. They gave birth to Nimrod. And then he became. He was altered and genetically altered, becoming. Maybe this. It has something to do with it. Obviously these, these fallen Elohim knew. They know way more than we do. They can see way more than we do because of their perspectives. And they probably know, okay, if we do, if we do these things, this will alter someone to become. So he became. He. He became a, A Nephilim. And of course he did. Of course he had built a tower. He commissioned to build a Tower of Babel, which was going to be a. An artificial mountain which would allow people. Which would have been the veil between heaven and Earth, their spiritual realm and the physical realm would have allowed them to invade heaven. Invaders. You know, God himself said, hey, if I don't do something, they'll succeed. What they've set to accomplish will happen. So they were gonna, they were gonna do this in God said, no, I don't want you guys in heaven. Get out. So he confused the languages. But during this time as it was being built, his wife slash mother Simaramus. And then they, she said, she is the first. She's the mother of harlots. She is the one who start. Started the first religion, and that first religion was the worshiping of her. And Nimrod. Nimrod is a sun God as the, the moon God, the Queen of Heaven, which is mentioned elsewhere in the Bible. Ashtoreth Ishtar, which was converted, make your Catholic listeners mad again. That's what they call Mary. They call her the Queen of Heaven because the, the Mary of paganism. I mean, the, the, the, the, the pagan Mary was just. Because what happened in Catholicism is that, you know, they basically took all the pagan gods and just slapped Christian names on them. So the Queen of Heaven, Ishtar became Mary. I'm sure that the real Mary is horrified to know, while she's in heaven now, to know that people are. Are calling the Queen of Heaven by her name. Because the Bible speaks of the Queen of Heaven in very derogatory terms because that is Semiramis, that is the mother Goddess. That is Ishtara, Starte and Nani, Mother of Jesus.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, I was, I was actually watching some Catholic seminary talk about this, and it's like, like, I'm sorry the Catholics are taking a beating today, but I don't know how you could be part of this religion. They were defending when, when Jesus was on the cross and the two, the two thieves who were next to him, that they would. They were the first people saved and gone to heaven through Jesus Grace. And they're like, no, no, it was actually through Mary. Mary saved them.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

What?

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, and it's something to do with. Because she basically kind of like, asked for them. And I'm like, that's just crazy. It's crazy to say.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

And it's a.

[Top Lobster]

This is a person with authority in the Catholic Church.

[Ed Mabry]

Okay, well, the thing was Pope. Was it Pope John Paul II or maybe his predecessor as his, his successor, one of them basically changed Mary and made her the co redemptrix with Christ. And I thought that was weird, but no, I actually, there's. There's a video. I, I couldn't bring it up now. Of a Catholic priest talking about. Yes. Oh, this is so amazing. Mary's our CO Redeemer. So she was Jesus's partner, which I guess there. Maybe that's where they got that idea. But yeah, Jesus alone didn't save us. It was, you know, they were in partnership. They, they were like tag team wrestlers, I guess. Jesus, she did her part. No, I don't want to. Look, I have no problem with the Catholic people. My wife was raised Catholic. My best friend was raised Catholic as well. I have a good friend right now who's a devout Catholic. You know, he, obviously he and I have our disagreements about theology, but he's a good person. Like, he's, he's a good friend of mine. So I don't problem with the people. I have a problem with the hierarchy and the things that they have done and, and the, and the things they have done to the people. Not, not just the Catholic people, but also the people who are victims of, of some of the machinations of these popes and cardinals. But I just want to make that clear. I don't have a problem with Catholic people anyway, so, so yeah, Simaramus made herself the Queen of Heaven. Nimrod was the Sun God and, and their, their child. And I put child in quotes. I'll explain why in a moment. Tammuz was the Holy Child. So you have the Sun God, the Holy Father, the Holy Mother and the Holy Child, that is. And you. That's why you see those same figures all over the world in one of my videos on faith by reason. And you can look these up yourself, you can Google the images they will show you from all over the world. Same statue of the Mother Child of this divine Mother with this little baby. And it's it. You can you see it in Asia, you see it in India. This with the names. Devaki is one of the names of the ones in India. You'll see it in the Americas. The same idea. Why? Because this all comes from Simranius. Because after the languages were confused, all the people who separated into the 70 nations, they all took that false religion with them. That's why you find it everywhere. And why is it mirrored in. Because this is when you have people like, you know, the, the skeptics like Billy Carson and whatnot say that, well, you know, the story of Jesus is just a copy of more ancient religions. Who, who also talked about the Holy Mother and the Father and the Divine Child. Well, no, I think we talked about this before on this show. The, the gospel is written in the stars long before any of these ancient religions. So when someone says, oh, there's a book that's older than the Bible, or I said, well, if you, if you want to show me something that's older than the word of God, you have to show me that it's older than the stars. Because the entire, the Maserath which, the Zoa in the Greek, which, where we get the word zodiac, same word, Maserath in Hebrew, Zoa in Greek is called the way the entire Gospel from which starts at the head of the year, which is Virgo, the virgin, the woman who. Who sinned. And that's next you have Libra, which is the balancing of the scales. That shows that, you know, the scales are out of balance. Then you have Scorpio, which is spiritual evil with the nakash, the serpent. Then you have the next of Sagittarius, which has the. His arrow pointed at the head of the scorpion. So it's the entire story. And ends with the end of the year, which is August, which is Leo the lion, the lion of the tribe of Judah, which is the second coming of Jesus. So the entire story is already in the stars. Simmeramus and Nimrod knew that story. Story, and they just. They appropriated it.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Right.

[Ed Mabry]

And I was making a joke because I'm not a fan of. It's just like, you know, Justin Timberlake appropriated black culture. This is how.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Eminem. Please. Eminem is a much better example. I. I would say, well.

[Ed Mabry]

Or actually Bruno Mars, but I don't like any of Justin Timberlake's stuff, so he's a better target for me. Right. You know, but they're both fng.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

But it's. It's like, you know what it is? It's.

[Ed Mabry]

It's.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

It's. It's Zeitgeist, right? That. That documentary that came out all those years ago. And then when you actually look at it, because it goes on a sort of a tangent. It's a documentary doesn't have a whole lot of time. So it's just like, here's an example of the Immaculate Conception and the. The. The, you know, the mother and the child and boom. Here's another example. Here's another example. Here's another. Therefore, it's just a copy of what's already been done. But if you really scrutinize it, it. It's like the. The similarities between one story in comparison to the coming of Christ are. You know, there's a few. So they tried, but, like, the differences are significantly more important. And. But it's something that was, like, put to bed pretty easily. This came out 2012. Maybe it was earlier than that Zeitgeist, but since then, it's gotten its ass kicked all over the place. But guys like Billy Carson kind of built their entire, you know, structure for their influence off the back of this. And, you know, it's just a simple. Once you. Once you free. Once you kind of frame it that way, where you go, they knew this was coming. It's the most important thing that's taking place on the planet. It literally leads to their demise. They're trying to co opt it and emulate it and, and then, you know, you go, okay, well that's the end of that, I suppose.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, because everyone knew it. I mean, God taught it to Adam, Adam passed it down. So everyone knew this story and they just said, oh no, no, that we're them. We're, we are your, your, your God, your divine mother and the divine child. That's us. And that's really what, what, what they did. And like you said with Zeitgeist, it's like you said, the differences are more important than the similarities. Because I mean, if you were to just compare the three of us, we have way more in common than we have differences. You could, I mean, if you're just looking at the similarities, hey, we're, we have, we have two arms, two legs. We're, we're, we're have a heart and a lung. We are all, we're all Americans, we're all males. We can come up all day. But that is with, with similarities. But it's the differences that make, obviously we are different. We don't look alike, we're in different places. So it's the differences that make separate, it's not the similarities. There are way more similarities between us than there are differences. But that doesn't mean we're all the same person. We are three different people because of the differences. So, you know, that would say that, you know, Jesus, the story of Jesus came from the story of, of, of Osiris, Isis and, and, and, and Horus. And Horus is actually Jesus. So. Okay, well, because, you know, Horus was a divine child. He was supposedly walked on water, he died and rose again, which he actually didn't. But it's all great. But it says that Jesus was born in Bethlehem. Was Horus born in Bethlehem? No.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Right. And it's also like if you look.

[Ed Mabry]

So it's a difference, but go ahead.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah, no, I was just going to say if you really look at, you know, one of the things that I always like to highlight is that even the similarities that you could determine, there was only one instance of a God that sacrificed himself for his love of humanity so that we may have everlasting life. That literally doesn't pop up anywhere else. It's lit like it's always worship and sacrifice to me, you know, kill this animal, whatever the hell it is. Somebody in the chat is going, you know, because Jesus, I guess if you get Hispanic with it, it's Jesus which the Word Zeus is in there and that's enough correlation to be drawn to make the determination that they're one in the same. But if you just look at Zeus who transfigures himself into like a swan and rapes a woman and, and begets several half breed, you know, demigod children over and over again. You know, you have Perseus, you have Hercules, you name it. These things are literally Nephilim. Just look at, you know, having this, this kingship over a pantheon of, of God. There's no similarities.

[Ed Mabry]

It's one of the things that, that Billy Carson said. He said, so you know what Jesus means? Hail Zeus. So that's what it means. Well, he's. His name wasn't Jesus. Jesus is a transliteration. No one ever called him Jesus on Earth. They called him Yeshua, which, which would have been his name in Greek or his actual name. They, his parents named him Yahushua. Yahushua was his, is Hebrew. That's what he was called. He was called Yahushua. No one ever said the word Jesus during his lifetime because Jesus is an English transliteration of Yeshua, which is a Greek transliteration of Yahushua. That was his name. When people talk to him, they say, hey Yahushua, come here. They never said Jesus because the English language didn't exist exist then. Billy Carson, you fraud. So how on earth could that be Hail Zeus, Jesus, when Jesus is an English transliteration And that language didn't even exist then. It wouldn't.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

People get caught up in that.

[Top Lobster]

Let's just take it a little easy on Billy. He's having a rough time.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Billy is having a really rough time. I don't know if you know this, but you know, afterwards his wife was like, we can't do this anymore.

[Top Lobster]

Wife left him. He's sitting on a chair by himself. It's not a good.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

He's like, I don't believe in the Anunnaki. Please come back.

[Ed Mabry]

Back. Playing the world's tiniest violin.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah, but, but it's like you, all of this, what would you call it? Like sort of phonetics or, or, you know, it's like this thing sounds very close to that thing. Therefore all these conclusions are jumped to. I'm like, dude, I, I can't.

[Top Lobster]

And they make for fun episodes.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

They do make for fun episodes. Okay, all right. Please continue.

[Ed Mabry]

All right, so we haven't got to the guy dying yet, so.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah, that's right. Somebody killed him.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, so, so I need you to set that up because I'm going to circle back to it when I give to my thoughts on what might have happened so to. To his death. So his death is not. Is not denotatively talked about in the Bible. Basically after the Babel incident we go straight to Abraham. So he, we know he died. He. And not just that he died. I think we can know that he was killed because every, every legend has him being killed various sources. So I'm going to go through a few of those and, and again I'll end with the one that, that I think is more likely could be wrong because we just don't know. But, but setting him up as this, the false God false and the pantheon of gods and Simoramus and Tammuz are important to it. So I'll start with. With one of the ones that are a little. I wouldn't say. Yeah it's a little silly but any of them may be true. But I find it very kind of wild. One of them is that after the Babel incident that God sent mosquitoes and gnats that went up his nostrils. This is, this is from legend that he. That he sent mosquitoes and gnats up into his. Through his nostrils.

[Top Lobster]

It's from where? The Talmud. Okay, yes.

[Ed Mabry]

One of the Talmudic. I don't know if it's in the Talmud but it's a Talmudic legend. I haven't read the full time move so I'm not. Not an expert on it. But that mosquitoes announcer sent up his nose, drove him nuts and he basically died by beating his head against a rock to try to. Or with his own fist in order to get rid of these bugs that God put into his head. So that's, that's, that's one of them.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

That's that, that, that, that, that would be. I mean I don't know. It's. I guess that would drive me insane. I don't know if I'd smash my head against it.

[Top Lobster]

I mean that's like a. That's a mental conditions people that happens to people.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah. Chronic wasting disease will have deer smashing their head against stones until they die severely.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. But severely schizophrenic people will self mutilate.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

To that point or what's that Morgellons where you have like there's bugs under my skin and things of that nature. And that's fascinating.

[Top Lobster]

So that's a thing. Yeah. Interesting.

[Ed Mabry]

So. So that's one of the legends that that was that God did. It's also a legend that you know know God just caused him to have a disease which you know God can do that. And so that's another reason, that's another possibility for how he died. Another one that's interesting is that he was killed by Esau. The.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah, that's a fun one. I like that one.

[Ed Mabry]

And so just a little bit of background on that. So, you know, when Adam and Eve sinned and you know, after God, you know, placed the curses on him, he then he sacrificed an animal. He gave them animal skins to cover themselves. And legend is, this is totally legend is that that animal skin was, was preserved and was passed down, you know, through, through Adam's line that Noah had it on the ark and that apparently this, this, this mantle gave whoever wore it power. Now, right, there's, there's reason to believe in a reason not to believe. The reason not to believe it is that it seems very much like enchantment and magic, and that's not generally how God does things. Now, granted, the counter argument is that Elijah, the prophet Elijah's mantle was passed on to Elisha, who was his successor. And so he, because Elijah wore an outfit made of camel hair, so that was called his mantle. And it was given to Elisha. And Elisha did twice as many miracles as Elijah. Was it done through this magic camel here? No, he asked God, he told, he said he asked God to give him a double portion of, of Elijah's blessing. So he and God granted that. But I think it was because God granted it, not necessarily because he was wearing the outfit. I think he wore the outfit to let people know that, hey, I'm the successor of, of Elijah. But the legend is that these skins had magical properties and that passed to Noah and Noah passed and I think Ham apparently stole it according to legend, and he passed it to his descendants, meaning that Nimrod would have had the, these animal skins, the mantle of Adam, and, and that's how he gained his power, and that's how he gained his, had his authority to say, I'm the ruler because I have on the, the clothing of the first man.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

That's actually, we talked to Justin Brown of the Prometheus Lens podcast, and he, he says that it was, he thinks it was the priestly robes that were stripped off the nakash in the garden and that they were passed down and eventually end up with Joseph and the code of many colors. And you know, it's, it's an interesting, it's an interest. I, I, you know, I agree with what you're saying. The whole like enchanted objects isn't how God works. But then I also have this part of my brain that really enjoys the idea of, like, ancient objects. Like, if we're talking about the sword of Goliath that David, you know, took, and, well, that.

[Top Lobster]

That. That garment was. According to Justin, it's replicated to go into the Holy of Holies. Like the. The priest would wear something similar to that in order to go into this place. So it's like, I don't. I don't know if there's any significance between what you're wearing and things that you can do, but that's the idea.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

I. I do like it, though. I like, you know, not something that I. Not a hill that I would die on, not something that I would bet on, but certainly something that I go, oh, I like that. That coat of many colors was a priestly robe stripped from the Nakash and then passed down throughout. This genealogy is very cool.

[Ed Mabry]

But if it did, well, then that's a problem because Joseph's brothers ripped it off of him.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

So there's a lot of ripping off of this garment.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah. If it's the same, what. They're two different. The skins of Adam and Eve are different than this robe of Nakash. That's okay. That's interesting. It's interesting. But, you know, you don't want to build doctrine off of it.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah, no, no, no.

[Ed Mabry]

So. So, but. But this legend is that Nimrod had. Had. Had the mantle, and then Esau would have. Either Esau took. Found the mantle and he got it some way and that gave him this power to overcome Nimrod, or he killed Nimrod and took the mantle from him. So, yeah, that's interesting legend. I mean, because apparently, you know, Esau was. It's interesting because Esau was. It was a hunter, and Nimrod was called a great hunter. So that would be kind of ironic that one hunter takes out the other great hunter that apparently the legend is that, you know, Nimrod was out hunting and Esau ambushed him and cut his head off. Yeah, interesting. But the problem with that is that would make. Nimrod would have to be about 700 years old at this point, because Esau is, you know, the. Is the. What, is the grandson. Yeah, he'd be the grandson of Abraham. Abraham was. Was about 100 years roughly from the Babel incident. So Nimrod would have. Would have been really. Oh, now granted, he was a Nephilim. They have longer lifespan. They can still die, obviously, because they all. They died in the flood. David killed Goliath. So we don't know what their lifespans were. Like, you do know that lifespans curtailed significantly after the flood, but in order for this to be, Nimrod would have pantrites abide for a long time.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

And the time was a fascinating idea, though, because even the elites now who are supposedly in cahoots with these, you know, nephilim spirits and things like that, that are constantly seeking ways to elongate their lifespan. So the idea that becoming gibberim, which may be their goal. Yeah, right. Would.

[Ed Mabry]

Would.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Would give you an unnaturally long life, you know, Once again, nothing to build doctrine off of. Nothing to bet on. But a fascinating thought.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah. So. So again, interesting legend would, you know, say a lot about Esau's prowess, so. Sorry, you guys froze on a sec from. On me for a sec. Are you still there? We're here.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Ed Mabry]

Okay.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Again, the robot, you can't see that. Yeah. I mean, so that idea too, you know, that. That Nimrod would have. Because he was a mighty hunter in Esau being a mighty hunter, and that there would have been some contention in between. Like, I think it was Justin who speculated, as we often do, that that Nimrod was rumored to have been looking for him. I forgot how he determined that. I don't know if it was a extra canonical text or something like that, but because of this, you know, Nimrod being the mighty hunter. And. And. And I think there's just something cool about the idea that Nimrod got his head ripped off by a Potentially a Bigfoot. Right. Because Esau is this.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

The field. And he's very hairy, you know, and red, like redheads.

[Ed Mabry]

That's a lot. Yeah. We'll have to do another show on the mysteries of Esau because that's. There's a lot of stuff there that, you know, so. So that's one that Esau talked about. Another one, speaking of other badasses earlier, was that he was killed by Abraham. This is very. This is believed primarily. Well, not primarily, but. But significantly by Muslims, because, you know, Muslims revere Abraham. You know, they consider themselves his. His spiritual, if not physical descendants through. Through his. His first son Ishmael, that he had with Hagar, that the handmaid that Sarah gave to him. But their. Their legend is that Abraham killed Nimrod. Interesting.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

How would that. Is there any details on how that would have taken place?

[Ed Mabry]

Well, there's an interesting legend that. And this is. I don't give this credence. I think this copies a later event in the Bible. But they said that Nimrod, while he was still in power, Had a fiery furnace like Nebuchadnezzar did you know the story. The fiery furnace. And he put the. The. The three Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego in there. And they know. They. And God protected them, and they came out. Well, they say that according to this. This Islamic legend is that Nimrod had his own fiery furnace. And he tossed Abraham in there because Abraham would not worship him. Him and Abraham wouldn't worship any of the false gods that he set up. And Abraham was supernaturally protected. And then later on, Abraham. No God told Abraham, you know, you got to take this guy out. And as part of his. As part of. Not initiation, but, you know, God told him to do that. And then once. And once Abraham killed him, then God said, okay, you're the guy I'm going to use to. To bless the world. I'm gonna bring my nation through you because you're. You're a badass. You hated Nimrod. Nimrod was my enemy. So, I mean, the reason to cast doubt on this is again, the Quran was written, you know, significantly after it was. You know, the Quran was written in like 5th century, so. Right. That whole fiery furnace thing, yeah, they. It's. They probably lifted that from Daniel. And of course that the Daniel was incent with fiery furnace was like over a thousand years plus after Nimrod was around. The other thing is that the timelines don't add up. Nimrod would not have still been ruling Babel at the time of Abraham. Babel was done. You know, God had already separated people. He confused the languages. People are separated. Nimrod was no longer. Would not have been a ruler at this time, so he would not have been in the position to demand that from Abraham. So it's a colorful legend, but it comes from. You know, it's not in the Quran per se, but it comes from. From Islamic mythology. And I think there's reasons to doubt it because of that. That. But I think it was one of the ways that they revered Abraham. However, if Abraham killed Nimrod, that would be a good indication from. To God. This is my guy.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Right.

[Ed Mabry]

Abraham was. Abraham was a badass too. Abraham fought wars, and he. And he won them. He won like the first he called a world war. We'll go over it in the Genesis series when I get there. But yeah, Abraham was not just some old doddering guy. Abraham was. Was. Was a. A commander. He was a general. He knew how to organize men into war. And so. So I find that an interesting idea.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

We have to Do. And this is something that's come up a couple of times. I think we've got some emails or something like that where, where people are going. You guys have never done an episode on, on like Muslims and.

[Top Lobster]

Oh, we're actually, we're actually gonna have a Beck lover on pretty soon.

[Dr. Dennis Black]

Oh, are we?

[Top Lobster]

So we'll talk about that a little bit. I, I don't really know what we're going to get into with him, but. But he is a Muslim, so we'll talk with him about it.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Oh, that sounds.

[Top Lobster]

Any, Any possibility that Nimrod is a zombie? Because it sounds like he's been killed multiple times.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Oh, I like that. That's a fair question.

[Top Lobster]

Zombie Nimrod. What if all these people killed him and he killed himself too?

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, maybe, maybe. Maybe they're all true. Maybe all the legends are.

[Top Lobster]

Yell at us.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Jesus. He's coming on very passionate. He's. Well, we, we. We do attract a crowd. Proud of retards. So, yeah, he's gonna be on today. Yeah, I like that question, though. Zombie.

[Top Lobster]

Zombie.

[Ed Mabry]

And I, I. That made me laugh because it reminded me of something, that friend of mine. It has nothing to do with this, but we were. This friend of mine, my friend Al. We were both big fans of the TV show Dexter back when it first came out.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. They relaunched it. I heard it. I heard it wasn't so good when they relaunched it, but the original was. Was.

[Ed Mabry]

Was good. The original was. Was great. The first four seasons were great. And it started as most shows do, they kind of run out of material. But one of the characters we also liked, he. And I was this. This guy named Sergeant Doakes, who was the guy who was the only person in the police department because. Who. Who was on to Dexter and.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Right, right, right.

[Ed Mabry]

And, you know, and. And Dokes ends up dying and we always have this thing. We want to make a. We. We want to make a new Dexter show we called Zombie Dokes, where Dokes comes back. He was our favorite character, but that's neither here nor there. But Zombie Nimrod reminded me of our joke about Zombie Dokes.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Well, it's just interesting that there should be so much lore about one character and particularly about the different modalities of his death. That. That's interesting to me, you know, because it is. It does seem to be mysterious. And, you know, you have this idea of mosquitoes and gnats, or you have this idea of Esau or, you know, Abraham and, And, you know, I like, I, I know it you're saying that it was lifted from the book of Daniel. I also can't help but wonder because if you, if you, you know, you remember the, the idea of like the big brass bull, that is sort of homage to, to Molech.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

I can't help but wonder if that was just a natural conclusion that evil tyrants came to in their madness where they go, you know, what would be a great move is just cooking these people. That seems to be a great way, you know, as far as like maximizing suffering. So, you know.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, it's not impossible. It may be. Maybe Nebuchadnezzar copied Nimrod. Maybe he did have a fiery furnace. I, there's no way to confirm or deny it, but I just, I, I, my expect, my skepticism is based on the fact that these legends came like you know, two and a half, two, 500 years after, give or take, you know, after these events happened that. Oh, fiery furnace. Oh, well, let's just. Because you know, there's a lot of, of parts of the Bible that are in my opinion appropriated by the Quran. But again, I'm not trying to offend Muslims, just saying that these are all speculation that Abraham killed him. Again, the timelines, you know, again, he'd have to have been, you know, pretty old at this point because, because Abraham was about 100 years after this, give or take.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

What do you so, oh, there's another one.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, there are two more. I mean.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Okay, please continue.

[Ed Mabry]

There's one more. Then I'll get the one that I tend to lean towards. And this, this is short. And this is that because there's not a whole lot of lore involved in that nested Hashem, one of Abraham's sons who was the progenitor of, of the Hebrews who became the Israelites. That Shem killed him, you know, for the same reason because he was, you know, Nimrod was just, you know, a bad person. And, and Shem killed him. So, and that's, I forget where that legend comes from, but it's another, another tradition, another Israelite Jewish tradition was that sent that Shem killed him because Shem would have been. The idea is that before the flood, not only were the Nephilim tall, but human beings were taller than, than we are today that you began to reduce in stature. So, so shim might like the Nephilim were considered to be anywhere between 30 and 100ft tall pre pre flood. And the idea was that human beings might have been up to like 12ft tall. Just like so Noah, Adam even. And you Know, Enoch were really tall, and then people started shrinking after that. So Shem would have been huge, and he would have been big enough to handle Nimrod, who was also a gibborim, also enough to. Of them. So that's kind of the legend behind that.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

I've seen that a lot. This sort of like a diagram that shows to scale how big Adam and Eve would have been, how big Noah was. And. And then his sons get progressively smaller from there. And. And yeah, they're supposed to be, you know, super huge. So maybe. Maybe so.

[Ed Mabry]

I wonder. We talk about the resurrection bodies. I wonder if we, if we. You know, you say you want to add some height, but I wonder if everyone has their original height that we're looking up at Adam, like, you screwed up. Why don't you eat the fruit?

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Ed Mabry]

Or.

[Top Lobster]

And that guy.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah. He'll stomp on you and then they'll do. The four inches that I asked for is like, no, dude, that's not what. That's not how you work.

[Top Lobster]

You needed like four feet, dog.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

It's just anything I'll take. Anything would have been nice, but I guess it won't matter when Everybody else is 18ft tall.

[Ed Mabry]

So the one I lean towards is that I believe that that Nimrod's death happened either shortly after the confusion of languages or possibly even right before. Why is that? I believe. Because Nimrod, because remember that the. The idea of the divine father, mother and child that was established and taken into all the different nations, which is what I talked about earlier. And the, the point of it is, and if you look at the. The legend, the one that's closest to it, and not only in. In execution, but also in timing, this would be the story of Osiris, Isis and, and, and. And Horus and these, which is again, just the Egyptian version of the same story. What happens to Osiris? Osiris is killed and then. Then Isis is. Is impregnated because she finds. He's killed and cut into what, 13 pieces and ISIS finds 12 of them. Maybe it was 13 or maybe she. He was cutting the 14 pieces. She found all of them, except basically she found all the pieces except for one, which was his. His palace. His. His man find.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

That dong must have been really small.

[Ed Mabry]

Couldn't find the d. So she made a. A dong out of stone and use that. I know this. And use that to impregnate herself to Horus. Guess that's the only material they didn't have silicon on back then. So she. She used a Stone, which I'm. I don't. That doesn't sound comfortable, but apparently that's what she used. And she gave. Gave. Gave birth to Horus. So that's the legend that in time proximity is closest to. To. To. To Nimrod, Simaramus and Tammuz. So why is that important to Nimrod dying earlier? Well, because. Base. Apparently Nimrod was dead before Simramus was impregnated with Tammuz. How did that happen? Well, logically, that means that Simramus got her groove on with someone after Nimrod died, which would have gotten her the death penalty because she should have been in a period of mourning when, however, Nimrod died. And. But she says. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. The. The legend is that she said that Nimrod died and ascended to the sun, and then the sun's rays shown upon her womb and that impregnated her. And so that was her immaculate conception. And she gave birth to Tammuz, who was the divine child, through a. Not. Not she was a virgin, but at least through an immaculate conception and a birth that way. Which means that Nimrod would have had to have died earlier in the Babel incident, so he would not have lived long enough for Abraham or Esau to. To kill him. And. And. And remember these. The. The. The mother child cult around the world with those statues Never have the father. The father is gone. So basically, Nimrod died before Tammuz was born. And since Tam. And since Tammuz, the divine child was part of all these other religions. That tells me that that Nimrod had. Had to have a pretty early death date. Again, not long enough for these other legends to be true. Except maybe he did get mosquitoes in his. In his. His nose and beat his head to death, but he died somehow. The legend is that Sim Ramis had something to do with his death because she wanted all the power for herself. So she has something to do with it. And that she. So an interesting legend, and this actually relates to the old show, Game of Thrones and because I think that the guy who wrote it, who is he still alive? George R.R. martin?

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah, he's just like.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, he's just never. He's never gonna finish the books. I never read them anyway. The show was. Was good for the first five seasons and it like, got really stupider.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

They really tapered off there.

[Top Lobster]

He didn't write the. He didn't finish right.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

You know what?

[Ed Mabry]

This.

[Top Lobster]

Now. Now I'm pissed off. He didn't finish writing the Rest of the books which I have read. I mean, the last one I read 8 years ago or something like that.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

And so they had no script to finish their story, whatever it was.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

The demons stopped whispering the plot.

[Top Lobster]

He just got fat and he got rich. And he's like, why am I writing this book?

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Why am I going to keep writing this book?

[Ed Mabry]

Right. I got everything I need now and all the pizza and beer I want, but I'll get to what. So the idea was that he was a hunter and that he went out to hunt and apparently Similaramis did something to him to get him off his game, give him some kind of poison or something, and he was gored to death by a wild boar.

[Top Lobster]

That's interesting. That's like.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Rob King Robert, I believe.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah. That's how the. The whole thing kind of opens up.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

The Matt. The drunken.

[Ed Mabry]

That Cersei Lannister who, you know was in a bad marriage to him, she did the same thing as she. And. And a wild boar. When I heard. When I saw that, seemed like they lifted this from the Nimrod legend.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

That's interesting. Yeah. I mean, that's typically how that goes. Right. And when you look at like, the best, best works of art, I mean, all of.

[Top Lobster]

All of Game of Thrones is lifted from legends or even the Bible. Some of it.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

That's what I'm saying. All the good pieces are. Are lifted from the Bible. That's why. That's why Lord of the Rings crushes so hard.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, exactly. There's lots of. Lots of stuff in Lord of the Rings and clearly in all of CS Lewis is, you know, the. The line of wishing wardrobe. That's. That's pretty blatant. But. Yeah, but, but, but Lord of the Rings. Yeah. That's why these stories are so timeless, because they're telling the most epic story of all and in. In their own way. So that's the one I lean towards. I think some Ramius had something to do with it. I think that he had an early death so that he would be the sun God, because he's considered the sun God in a lot of these religions around the world, and that he and. And Simramus is the one who apparently started that legend of. He ascended to. To the Son. And in all these legends, the. The. The father dies, the father God dies, Osiris, Nimrod, in this case, all the other ones, and you're just left with the mother and the divine child. Even we get to. And again, since we already pissed off the Catholics, you always. You always see Mary and Jesus. You never see God the father.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah, it's always Mary and Jesus always marrying Jesus.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, so. So that's. So. Because of that.

[Top Lobster]

That's kind of damning, Ed.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

That is kind of. Well, I mean, you see that a lot.

[Ed Mabry]

That's.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

That's how that. That duo is portrayed. Always Mary and baby Jesus, which is weird because they perpetually keep him. Is that a word did I make?

[Ed Mabry]

He's always a baby, like. And that's weird.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

It's a weird thing. Like, why there's so much emphasis on baby Jesus within Catholicism. They just keeping him a baby. And it's like, why do that? And, And I think there is something to sort of the edit. I'm not saying that this is what that is depicting, but when you have the Oedipal mother who. The worst version of. Of the feminine is the Oedipal mother who keeps, you know, the man from growing, keeps him as an infant, and, you know, that creates, when it becomes man, a terrible, terrible human being. It's just weird that you. That you get that imagery.

[Ed Mabry]

There are many of those figures throughout history. You know, Caligula was one of them. If you look at it, go back to Game of Thrones, there was that one. One kid who was over the.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Joffrey.

[Ed Mabry]

Well, not Joffrey was an idiot king, but it was a different one. He was the. He was.

[Top Lobster]

This was the one that was breastfeeding.

[Ed Mabry]

Oh, my God.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah, the one that was.

[Ed Mabry]

That was a disturbing scene. That was disturbing to watch.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Dude, that was really weird. And he had the moon door.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Where he was just, like, tossing people out for funsies. Yeah. Yeah, that's. That's fascinating. Yeah, there's something there that's like a really bad dynamic, because when you take the savior of mankind. I'm just, you know, I'm doing a lot of speculating here, but when you take the savior of mankind and you keep him in a perpetual state of. Of childhood, of infancy, he. You know, this is not. Not a representation of the man who took on the sins of. Of. Of humans and. And died, sacrificed himself willingly, did the will of the father. All of these things, like, you're keeping them in that. In that baby state where he has no agency, and then you. You have the mother who has all the power. Who has all the power. Right. Yeah, that. That's kind of weird, man.

[Ed Mabry]

Well, yeah, it's one of the many things that. And there's also. I mean, Just to keep things disgusting, there's also The. The rumor that Tammuz also married Simaramus. Damn. So she was just banging sons. I know. It's. It's again, that's another. Just you. It's a mismology. But it wouldn't surprise me, apparently. Obviously, she doesn't have an issue with it. She has to be getting up there in years. That's some wrinkles.

[Top Lobster]

That's again, like very Game of Thrones ish. Right.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

The Lannisters were keeping their blood fresh. Also, it comes to mind, like, Daenerys has to leave. Where are they? They're in Westeros. She has to leave Westeros at, like, as a baby. But then she comes back much later and she's in. Wet. In. Back in Westeros, like, kind of garnering her troops in order to save the world.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah. And then in the end, divine feminine craft.

[Top Lobster]

But in the end, also, she's not, you know, she turns out to be the Demiurger.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

A. JJ I don't know. I was just gonna say JJ says, what has society done with all of us for years now? It's interesting, the idea. Remember going back to talking with Izzy Griffin, and he's saying that the. The entity that Parsons and L. Ron Hubbard are trying to summon in from Thelemic lore is. Is Babylon. And. That's Right. But in. In Thelema, Babylon is seen as, like, the divine feminine. And so if that happened, if they were successful, then you would imagine in this period in time, we are being subjected to some sort of Babylon whore, divine feminine aspect. And we have the. I'm going to use it again. It's a word I made up, I think the infantilization, infantil. They're making us babies is what I'm saying. If you look at the. The epidemic of adult adolescents right now, more so than ever in history, society is cushiony enough, but there's also an agenda that's being propagated to keep us as perpetual adolescents, which is why you can be any age you'd like and walk around in your Marvel shirt there. We have an epidemic of Disney adults, Right. This is like the first time in history this phenomenon has shown itself because it's never been so easy and so comfortable that you could have a society of adult adolescents. So, yeah, we're being ruled by this Oedipal mother spirit, this. This divine feminine. And the fruits of it are perpetual adolescence, adult adolescence, man. Maybe there's something, really something.

[Ed Mabry]

People who've studied this and I. I get the name. I think. I'm not. I'm not gonna. I'M not gonna remember his name, but he's researcher on this and he believes that the spirit of our age is. Is not. Is inani.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Which, yeah, this makes a lot of.

[Ed Mabry]

Sense and that's why you have things. I mean, I'm. The me Too movement after this. You know, I. Obviously assaulting a woman is wrong in any way, but. But a lot of that was fraudulent and it was just about, you know, toxic masculinity. It's about demasculate. Demasculating men and saying, you know, it's everything about. Not only is it wrong for you to have all these masculine characteristics, then they turn around and tell women that they should have them. If you look at what they tell you, a strong woman is. She's a toxic male. She has all the things that women say they hate about men or what, what these feminists tell women to be. Just only be focused on sex. Only think about yourself. Be selfish. Only focus on your career.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Wear flannel.

[Ed Mabry]

Be, you know, be aggressive. You know, be overly aggressive. Be a. Karen. All these things that they say they don't like about men, they tell women to be that. And that's not only messing up men, it's messing up women. It's women now are, are told not to be feminine. They're told, don't, don't embrace your beauty, your harmony, all the, the things that you were supposed to.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Well, there she is. There she is. Baseball Karen. Unbelievable. Yeah.

[Ed Mabry]

They tell you that just by being a male, you're toxic. And then they tell women, be a toxic male. And you can see how that's screwing us all up.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah. Drive a Subaru, which hats off to top lobster. Who says, no, the Subaru is not for lesbian.

[Top Lobster]

Is a good car.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

A good car. It's good for off roading. Has four wheel drive, doesn't it? Not for women. I'm tired of women. And this is for the audience. I know there's women in the audience who are listening to this who drive a Jeep wrangler. How dare you? That's not for you. All right? That used to be for men. There was a, there was a day and age where flannel and Jeep wranglers were for men. Trade in your Jeep Wrangler. Get yourself not a Subaru. Stop driving women. What are you doing? Driving is. Is what I'm getting at. That should be the real. Oh, letting women drive.

[Top Lobster]

We're completely off the rails.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

That's right. That's right.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah. So they're putting like in like a Prius or a Volkswagen Rabbit or something.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

That's it. Yeah. See G by Jonathan, he's pissed off because he, I know he's got like a Jeep Cherokee because if he gets a wrangler, he's a lesbian or something. I don't know how it works anymore. I just know you can't have a wrangler unless you're a 90 pound blonde woman. It is crazy. Very crazy.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah. And if you're gonna, if you're gonna drive an suv, don't be afraid to, to go off road with it. I mean, that's what it's for. Yeah.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

I swear I'm gonna start breaking into to wranglers around and I'm gonna take their ducks. They have ducks now. It's just blonde chicks that collect ducks and they put them on their, their dashboards and I'm, I'm, I'm done with it. I'm gonna start ration tires also.

[Ed Mabry]

It's one of the things that really ticks me off is when I see it. Not because I have a problem with women driving whatever. But if you're driving an SUV and it's raining, why you, you're in an off road vehicle. Why are you driving like you're in a Pinto? Drive the bloody car. It's made for this kind of weather. Why are you slowing down, going up a hill? The thing's going to go into gear and it's going to smash you up that hill. Just.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

You just don't understand. I don't understand why we started, why we got.

[Ed Mabry]

We.

[Top Lobster]

Once we get ed back on traffic.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

It's very passionate after being in so much.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

After being in New York traffic.

[Ed Mabry]

My familiar spirit comes out when I'm on the road.

[Top Lobster]

You got it? You got to move like near us and there's really not traffic.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Dude, let me tell you something. After being in New York and New Jersey for the past five days, I, I am so grateful for living where I live. It is, it's, it's. I've been here long enough that I kind of, you know, the grass is. Not that it's always greener, but you just get used, you get acclimated.

[Top Lobster]

Like there's actual grass, a lot of grass.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Beautiful grass, beautiful weather. This is a beautiful place. Florida is excellent. And when Three Eye Atlas or Umuamamu or Apophis crash into the earth, you know, if it's got to happen somewhere. The northeast is prime real estate to park, to park an asteroid on. And, and you know, I don't know that very many people would be Upset.

[Ed Mabry]

Just to be honest, I don't live in a high, high traffic area. I mean, I'm north of San Francisco. I'm further for enough away that I'm not dealing with a ton of that traffic. The problem is that I'm, I grew up in LA driving in LA traffic and I've just taken that aggressive with me. I get pissed with people driving too politely, like, go, I want you to go now. So I'm driving like an LA person in a place where people are like, why are you so aggro, dude? We're in a peaceful area. I'm like, that's the LA in me. Hasn't, hasn't been burned out yet.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

You know what's weird is I thought, and, and in hindsight, this is true. I don't know. I thought New York drivers would be better. You guys are terrible, terrible, terrible drivers. New York drivers are, are, are really bad. It was like every time I almost got into a fistfight with somebody, which by the way, happened like four or five times. I'm rolling windows down and hanging my upper body out of a window and staring at people as they cut me off, like in, in stop and go traffic. And almost every time it was a New York thing, license plate. But I, I haven't been in a road rage incident in five years. It was almost, it was like four in five days, dude.

[Ed Mabry]

I, I do not almost fighting people. I mean, LA drivers are bad. New York drives on another level when I, I haven't been to New York in a while, but I'm, I'm in cabs. I do not deal with it. I just close my eyes and pretend I'm on a ride at Disneyland. Like, this is not real. Because I, yeah, this is not real.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

It's very frustrating, man. I, I, I, I don't ever want to go back. I really don't ever want to go back. It's, it was a night.

[Top Lobster]

We'll see you next year, Frank. I'll be, I'll be there next time.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Well, Frank is gonna come, he's gonna come to Bohemian Grove because I told him that that was. Hey, it's mama lobster.

[Top Lobster]

$2. Thank you.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

She's on the other side of a field. Oh, she says Ed is her favorite guest. That's high praise. I've never seen that come in. I've never seen that Mama Lobster. That's, that's high praise. Unbelievable. Well, I, I guess. Is that where we're bringing in complain about the traffic?

[Ed Mabry]

Once we get the traffic, you know, things have wound down but yeah. Yes, so, so the one. So the legend that I lean towards, not that I'm not being dogmatic about it at all, any one of these could be true. I think the. The one that would be the coolest is if Abraham took him out. But I'm. I'm. I lean towards the. The earlier death and I think the sim Ramis has something to do with it. It. And because that's what I think fits where things go with, with the. With him being this, this fallen God and falling into all of the different legends that we see around the world. That, that depicting the mother child without the God and all the other different legends where he. And he. And he become. He. He ascends and be. And becomes Dagon, he becomes Zeus. He becomes all of these. These various and sundry gods. But I could. I could be wrong. Maybe the Esau legend is true. Maybe the Abraham legend is true.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

I don't know.

[Ed Mabry]

I mean, maybe he just got mosquitoes and beat us. Beat his head against a rock until he died.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Well, could have happened before the whole Simarina thing and you know, still using traffic in la. Maybe that was.

[Ed Mabry]

It was a traffic in la.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Maybe he visited the Tri State area. Man. You know, I was talking before and we'll bring it in for a landing after this, but I was talking to you before the show started and I said that I had just gotten back from the quite frankly jamboree soiree and. And I said shindig. And I really liked what he did there. And I think that I wanna. I wanna take some of what I learned from Frank and I want to adapt it to Bohemian Grove. And I was saying I wanted to do a VIP experience for the first day. And this is, you know, we're just kind of kicking the ball around, getting some ideas. But what. We're still a long way out from doing this again. But what I learned from that experience was that the last Bohemian Grove, it was performance after performance after performance. And we were redlining it. We were trying to entertain the people. And it was fantastic for what it was. But what I saw with Frank was him hanging out with the people that help make what he does possible. And especially in the vip. VIP experience for him, it was very personal. And these people just came to spend time with each other and spend time with him. And I said, wouldn't it be great if we did something like that? If we made the first day like a VIP experience? And the audience has become familiar with Matt and we said that, you know, you and Matt would. We'd love to do an episode with you two guys. Matt, we're doing the Book of Daniel experience. Matt owns a coffee shop. And I said, how cool would it be to get Ed Mabry and Matt for the first VIP day? And we spend this whole day. We shut the coffee shop down.

[Top Lobster]

I like how we just do it. We have not asked Matt.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

We haven't asked Matt at all. But. But. But he's so. He's so gung ho about everything. He's like, I want to be a part of this thing. Well, we're gonna just put all these people in your shop, then. Who knows if this is even a possibility? But. And you were saying that you'd be interested in it. You know, the idea that you would come. We do a Bible study, a live one. We could record it. Everybody could hang out there. We'll have food, we'll have drinks, and we'll. We'll funnel everybody into the. I think that would be an incredible experience. I just wanted to say it because I wanted to kind of get, you know, over some time, the feedback from the audience. The feedback from. From. From you, Ed, but something really relaxed and personal, because obviously we. We share a big overlap in audience. All of our audience loves you. And so there we go. Right, Lucia? Beautiful idea. My two favorite guests. I think that would be great, and it would be great to really start Bohemian Grove off, because the last one turned into, like, a race war and. And all these crazy things shout out to Elijah Schaefer. But it would be great to start this one off with. With. With biblical content to get everybody together, hang out, see the faces, you know, hug and have some coffee and, you know, whatever, and do a Bible study, and then we can roll into the next day of, like, entertainment and. And all the insanity. But I. I just think that would be really cool. So I wanted to put that out there. Look, your mom's offering to cook, which would be. That's a good move. That's a good move if she's into it. So I'm putting that out there. I want the audience's feedback. You know, Ed, I. You didn't make the last one, and that's all right. But you are part of this whole Nephilim Death Squad universe, and we got to get you on. We got to get you out in person. I got to see you. I. You're probably taller than us, and that's going to be upsetting. Yeah, I don't like that everybody's taller than us, and it's upsetting. Maybe I'll have my spiritual body by then.

[Ed Mabry]

Honestly, the only thing that will stop me from being there is like, the raptor or. Or third eye atlas hitting the Earth. If it hits the west coast, that's it.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

And let me tell you, if. If it hits somewhere else and things are real chaotic, then, you know, we got good content. You. You come and hang out, and we'll. We'll do it live. So I. I think it's overdue. We've done three. This is the fourth one. You got to be there. And I think you're the perfect guest for the vip. And we just keep it. We just keep it us. You know, for the VIP thing. We just keep it us. We keep it.

[Top Lobster]

Well, Frank did. He did a background check for his vip.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

He had a dude literally at the door was like, you got guns? He had, like, a wand and everything.

[Top Lobster]

I like that.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

And I was like, I don't have a gun. And it's. It was an event for very tall people. So he goes, you don't get any bigger. And I said, no, dude, this is as big as I get. And he kept flipping through the paper, and he's like, you're here. Fine. Whatever. Go upstairs. But, yeah, we should have somebody with a wand that goes, you got a gun? And they go, this is Florida. And then he goes, all right.

[Top Lobster]

If you don't have a gun, you can't come.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

You can't come in.

[Ed Mabry]

Exactly.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

What do you think, though, Edwin? Does that sound like a good idea?

[Ed Mabry]

It does. I. That sounds like a lot of fun. I'd love to. To do that and. And. And do some Bible study and. Perfect. We'll let Matt know.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

We'll let Matt know that we're gonna.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Come in and take over his coffee shop.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Well, I. Honestly, I think Matt would. He would love it. He's just. He's so about it. I don't really meet a lot of dudes that are as about it as Matt is. He's. He's about it. About it.

[Ed Mabry]

So.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

I don't know. Just an idea, audience. If you give me some feedback, maybe we'll make it happen. And we're a far off from. From Bohemian Grove 4. We're still recovering from the last one. But, you know, I think it's time to start getting some ideas going. So before we get out here.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, one more thing, because I've gotta. I gotta make a correction. Because last week, you guys, I was telling you about this, um. This guy we. Jason, who's. Who is another thing, among other things, was A Buddhist became a llama. And he. And I was talking about how he. He's done this video series with John Linhart we've got to have back on the. On the show.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yes.

[Ed Mabry]

And. And how he was showing how, you know, Buddhism. Buddhism is not necessarily divorced from Christianity.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

He almost said Buddhism, which is different.

[Ed Mabry]

My mind is elsewhere. Christians. Christians can like booty. It's fine. That's right.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

There's nothing wrong with that.

[Ed Mabry]

But he. And you asked me about how it related. I wasn't prepared, so I totally mangled it. And I emailed him. I said, dude, you got to help me out. I. I totally just was kind enough to send me some stuff, but I just want to read to you very quickly the summation. I'm not going to read everything you sent because I don't think we have time. But I'll just read the summation, a few sentences. I need to put my glasses on.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Okay.

[Top Lobster]

Before you do it, I just want to play this for you really quickly. Big, big booty. Give me the booty. Our editors are horrific.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

That was an intense episode. I don't remember what the topic was was, but I, I could see where bootyism. There it is.

[Top Lobster]

Okay, go ahead.

[Ed Mabry]

Where's the lady who was. Who was like managing the show last week?

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Oh, she took some time off. She goes, you know what? No, she's sleeping right now, I think because we started early. She's also West Coastian and, and she stays up till, you know, like two in the morning. I don't even know casting spells.

[Top Lobster]

I've got a picture of her. This is what she does. And you know when she's waiting for us.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah. This is what it looks like when she works.

[Top Lobster]

This will be a new season. It's actually a Nancy T shirt that's coming out soon.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah. And like we said, guys, are we gonna send the proceeds from the Nancy shirt to. To Nancy's tech?

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, we'll send it to her.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

We'll do maybe. Or we'll keep it for ourselves and we'll give her none.

[Top Lobster]

And Ed, you got to email me with your PayPal stuff, but please.

[Ed Mabry]

Oh, I thought I did. Okay.

[Top Lobster]

Oh, maybe I just check the email.

[Ed Mabry]

Real quick about it. Okay, somebody read this. So in short, some. Some summing up what the Buddhism is all about, it says, number one, you. You open or empty your false. This is about what Buddhism is and I think how it relates to. To Christianity. You open or empty your false beliefs so the divine can speak to you more frequently. And clearly, you empty your Heart of prejudice and embrace all beings and love of others the way God does. And he says, when. Oh, I'm. Here's his. So those are the two. That's basically the summation of it, and that's how it can be. You can dovetail with Christianity because you're basically allowing God to speak through you. You get rid of self to the extent of it's your ego, and you let God speak to you, which is really what humility is. So that's what he is. That's what he found through Buddhism. And he says when Top Lobster was saying Buddhism is emptying your mind, he's referring to the boomer hippies of the 60s. It's only emptying the BS so it can function better. It's like when your body cells, when you're, when you empty your body cells of toxins like heavy metals, so they function better. And when Dave says Buddha is an incarnation of Vishnu or Anubis, that is modern Hindu nonsense. So that's what Jason. So yeah, you have to have Jason on the show to talk about this. He's a really fascinating guy. The, the series he did with John is really fascinating, but I think the, the gist of it is the way it dovetails with, with Christianity is you have to be humble in order to let God flow through you and speak through you. And what true Buddhism is, is not. Not emptying yourself so that you're a black slave, but emptying out your, your bad thoughts and saying, you know, God, your thoughts are better than mine. So I want, I want your thoughts. I don't want mine. Interesting. And I'm open to, to loving everyone. So that's what true Buddhism is. And as he said, I wonder if.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

He would agree if you say, if you say God, I want your thoughts instead of mine, would he agree? Like God as in the Father that Jesus Christ references?

[Ed Mabry]

Well, you know, I don't want to answer that for him. I know the answer, but I, I think he'd be a good guest to have on. I'll. I'll talk to him. And he's, he's a, he's probably listening now. He's. He is a neph Dust squad fan enjoyer. Huh?

[Co-host/Interviewer]

An nds.

[Ed Mabry]

I mean, we found. He found John through this show. He was listening when John was on the first time, and he, he said, you know, he. Because as, I guess as part of the Buddhism thing, you look, you look for teachers, you look for your, for masters to teach you in all of the right areas. And he said, no, John, he's a guy who can teach me about the mind. And he. And he found John because he's a big fan of. Of Nephilim, NES squad, I think, Sam Tripoli. And he saw me on his show and this show, and that's how it all came to. To. To be interesting.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Well, maybe we'll set something up. We'll reach out to him and have a discussion.

[Top Lobster]

I'm down. I'm down. Is he into booty?

[Ed Mabry]

No.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Not to be confused with the Buddhism. Not to be confused with booty.

[Top Lobster]

He has an ass.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Those are the thoughts that you have to.

[Top Lobster]

You have to get these out. He's got to show us, right?

[Co-host/Interviewer]

All right, Ed, so before we wrap it up, where could Everybody find you?

[Ed Mabry]

FaithByReason.net is where all my material is there. There is free information there, but, like, some of the juicier stuff is going behind the membership wall so that. So that my members can really get that exclusive content. And Patreon is where I'm most active. Patreon.com faithbyreason and that's where you can get the new content when it drops. Bonus content, Q and A's and the monthly Bible study and all the Bible study notes and, you know, discounts on. On discounted books for free books. Of the two I have now and I'm, you know, working on some more. And yeah, that's the way it is. And again, 501C3, if you want to. Your portion of what you used, the money used to support me, can also possibly impact your taxes in a pos. In a positive way. Talk to your tech, to your tax professional.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Very cool.

[Ed Mabry]

Well, I love that.

[Top Lobster]

That's part of it.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

You're not making any financial claims here. Let your tax protection professionals make those claims. All right? And don't go with H R Block. Get, like, an actual tax professional. Thank you, Ed. It's always wonderful talking to you. And I'm. I'm telling you, I really am hoping we can figure this out, get you down for this VIP experience, roll you into the next day to all the insanity of Bohemian Grove.

[Top Lobster]

Oh, no, listen, for sure, we're. Whatever. Whatever it is we have, we're gonna have Ed. We're gonna get you down 100 and fly you out. It's just a matter of figuring out how we're gonna do it.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah. Yeah, I'm. I. I really upset I missed the last one. It just didn't work out logistically. But I am all completely down for the. For the next one.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

I'm excited. Well, I'M glad you weren't at the last one because we were so riled up with being canceled that I think we. We just went absolutely crazy. Now that we're more relaxed and we could focus in, focus in on the people, the Bible study, all that stuff. This is. This is gonna be a lot of fun. The last one was fun, but this one's gonna be great. So. All right, man. I don't wanna.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Until next time. Are you gonna do what I'm.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

No, I don't wanna know.

[Top Lobster]

Until next time. Obey, submit and comply. Don't you?

[Ed Mabry]

The greatest hypnotist on planet Earth is a problem box in the corner of the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. That what they see with their eyes is what there is to see. Because face of an explanation that portrays the bigger picture of possibility. And they have.