D (3:13)

Thanks for having me on. First of all gentlemen, my brothers in Christ here. First thing is I'm. I'm an artist. I'm a painter first. You know a lot of people, they know me for my, I guess anti Semitism and being grim, provocative. But I am a painter first. Yeah. So I'm artist first. I make paintings, I'm a visual artist and you can collect or support me whatever you want to do. On my website, Arthur Cooney.com I'm so, you know, de boosted and demonetized and just have pretty much non existent reach at this point on all my social media platforms. So I just started YouTube like a month ago. I have like you know, just over 10k subscribers or something. But I just started recently so I'm trying to build this up as well. So you can find me on YouTube at Arthur Qualley as well. Hopefully they don't ban me here. I've come to see that as much as YouTube is so controlled by the anti Christian sewer dwellers. That being said, I found that I can bleep out when I say things like Jew or when I say, you know, certain things, you know, pedophilia, whatever. As long as I bleep it out, I've been okay. So as I, if I go about it that way, it's actually somewhat okay. I was doing Rumble, but I found that the usability is such ass that I'm just like not gonna bother with it. So yeah, YouTube, I guess. Instagram. I'm on my seventh Instagram account. It's. Hi, this is Arthur. Twitter is at Bad Asian B A D A Z N. That's where you can find me. And, and I am an artist first actually. I'm sorry, I'm. I'm a Christian first, I'm a servant first and I paint biblical imagery. But in conjunction to that is I'm just trying to be a man and as men we have to step up and speak up or falls apart. So.

C (5:03)

Amen, dude. You know we were, we were talking before the show and things the last time that we had you on, you know, the first time, and I think this is your third appearance on the show. Both of the previous appearances we were in this like culture war right? Where it was like proclamations of things that other people were too afraid to say. And that was really the kind of the space that we were carving out for ourselves. And I Think we both caught. Well, you know, me and Top and then you as well. We crossed this line were, I think, simultaneously, even though we weren't, you know, you weren't on our show or anything like that.

B (5:40)

Yeah, we like, it wasn't. It's odd we're not in constant communication. Although we do have each other's phone numbers check in from time to time. But he's like. He's like, yeah, I went from anti Semitic. Well, artist and then anti Semitic. And then I decided to bleep stuff out on YouTube. And that works?

C (5:54)

Yeah, yeah.

B (5:55)

And then we're like, we also figured out that Rumble's ass. So we don't do it all.

D (6:00)

Rumble's usability, man. I mean, come on. I appreciate how they're. They're friendly to the right wing sentiment, but I mean, at the end of the day, it's going to be a function of usability for both creator and the consumer. Right? So it's just like, I just can't, man. It's just like when I'm uploading something on YouTube, 10 minutes when I upload something on Rumble, I'm like, what is, what is this? Like, I'm not going to bother at this point.

C (6:24)

But. But the thing that we were kind of having this realization even though we were separate from one another is like, you called it the tail wagging the dog. Right. And that's what you said earlier when we were having this discussion. And it was like, yeah, we were. We had our hands on what we thought were the. The cultural steering wheel on. On X. Right. We're expressing these sentiments of, you know, Jews being grossly overrepresented in. In, you know, positions of power and industry in America, Israel's, you know, authority within our own government, all these things, crime, statistics of black people, you know, you name it, we're saying it. And at some point I pulled back and I'm wondering if you did something similar. It seems like you did and you went, is this what I'm talking about? Because like we said, we have values. We actually have values. And when things threaten those values, we tend to pipe up. Or was this all created so that guys like us would pipe up? And are we inadvertently the thought leaders that they wanted us to be?

D (7:25)

Is it all entirely controlled? Okay, so here's, here's my answer to this. Because to me, because this is a very nuanced conversation. Let me first say, and I don't say this with pretentiousness, I say this with relatability. So anybody who has any semblance of talent or reach will eventually, if they're using a Monica mother wisdom, see that. I believe that Twitter is the greatest psychological operation because it's designed to make you feel like you're a free speech agent, an ambassador of truth, but actually you need to placate to the echo chamber. And all that is algorithmically controlled. And what I've noticed is that people are just becoming more despondent, hateful and disgusting. And that's why I, you know, I took a three month hiatus because number one, it was demotivating, but number two, it was just not reflecting what I want to see in the world. You know, I want to, I told you, I want more benevolence. I want to fight for a more wholesome aesthetic. I want men to become fathers and honorable and what goes viral, what gets traction, being ugly, being angry, trying to tear people down. And I've come to see that that's what Twitter designs you, that's what it rewards. So if you're being disconcerting, if you're being lowly and almost Jewish, like you're becoming the very thing that you abhor, you're becoming bigoted, right? You're embodying that spirit. And I always believe that as a Christian, you don't adopt and practice and become the evil you abhor, right? Like when Christ sent St. Michael, he sent him for righteous indignation, not because he wanted him to be hateful and angry. So you can destroy evil. And I realized that in order to participate in this game, there is a psychological operation. And the psychological operation of Twitter is making you feel like you're revolutionary, but actually you're just a piece of asshole and you're just almost collectivizing and, and I call it collectivized coping. Because even if I've read all the racial data and, and I acknowledge mo many of these genetic truths about identity politics and in group tribal thinking and how much of this is salient and historically factual. All that being said, most people, they're utilizing these different communities not because they actually want to even embody change or they want to actually heal the world. They don't want to heal anything. If anything, they're just all sexually frustrated losers commiserating together. And the reason why they're into politics is not a spiritual reason. That's what I find. Because if you actually care about healing the planet, you need to see the world universally and that recognizes that there's a creator in order. But what I noticed with all these is that they're into politics because they want to socially engineer society, to cater and change the rules so that they can be seen as, like, sexually marketable. That's what I've come to realize. And, and it. Once you see that, you can't really unsee it. Because I've gone to so many of these gatherings. I've got to so many of these get togethers. I've been invited. Some of these guys have like, like quarter million or half a million, like, Twitter followers. And I've met these guys, I won't name them, and they're anonymous Julius Caesar profiles and all these things. And they're dysgenic as fuck, okay? Childless, angry motherfuckers. And they have an army of other losers who women don't want to fuck ranting on their behalf. And once I saw that, I'm like, okay, that is running in tandem with what Twitter is. And that's where I think we need to be careful, because to me, Twitter is the biggest psychological operation because it makes you believe you're doing something free, where you're just talking in an echo chamber like you're not really doing anything.

C (11:14)

Yeah, it's, it's, it's interesting because I think when you get things together in real life, that has a way of, of recalibrating you. Right? So, so a lot of these, you know, when we did the whole libertarian thing and I went and saw the, the LP Georgia situation, and I went, oh, no, these are all unfuckable morons.

D (11:33)

What.

C (11:33)

What's going on here? Why, why are these the people that are proposing to be thought leaders in this space? It's very much the same thing. You know, on the left, you have like, the ICE protest, and you look at who's engaging in the ICE protest and look, you know, on the show, I'm gonna say it. I'm not for killing people in the streets. But I do recognize that there was a long chain of emotional reaction that led us to this place. Meaning, like, you're going to present children in cages and get low informations to. To cast an emotional vote, and that's going to lead to a series of domino effects. It's going to lead to ICE being in the streets trying to clean up this, this whole situation. But when you look at everybody who's in the streets, they are all unfuckable, horrifying characters. This was the same thing when I went to Occupy Wall Street. They were all horrifying, unfuckable characters. And the same thing when I was in the Tea Party movement. Same exact thing. So there is like this LARP effect. Right? I think the truth of the matter is the people that are worth, I don't want to say worth anything that sounds too reductive. Even though I'm being rude about these people, that, that is too reductive. I'm not saying that these people aren't worth anything, but I'm saying the people who are decent looking and who, who have values and who are hard working, they're usually off building something. The masses who are on Twitter who. Expressing sentiments behind Anonymous, you know, whatever. The, those people are usually truly horrifying. And I think the, the first indication that I had that the direction that I was going was bearing bad fruit was the glomming on into my comment section every time I would say, well, black people are disproportionately violent. They represent a small percent of the population, but they engage in a large percentage of the violent crime. The first people that were there were, were the Unfuckables in my comment section telling me, like, and they're, and they're trying to claim me as some race warrior title.

B (13:29)

This episode is the Unfuckable.

C (13:30)

The Unfuckables. And I'm going a Jewish bioweapon. I'm, I'm a mixed race, such and such. I'm not going to be your champion. In fact, if, and this is where I realized it, you try to play things out to their end game. And I said, well, if this sentiment is allowed to gain traction, it's only a matter of time until people like this come for, like me and my family, because we're just too many shades too dark. So I'm like, this is a bankrupt ideology. And, and I started to pull back from that. And that was the beginning, dude. Like, that was, you know, there's so.

D (14:04)

Much, there's so much that I can take apart with what you said. You just spoke about like so many different levels that, that we can dissect. The first thing is that, okay, well, if you were able to procreate successfully, then I honestly care about your political dispositions and your worldview and philosophy incomparably more. And the reason is because the opposite sex, 50% of the planet, they basically say that your genes were worth continuing. So maybe there's something there worth considering, number one. And I'm not trying to just dismiss people, like if they're truly struggling, they're having a hard time, you know, attracting the opposite sex. But I mean, there's so much to unpack. My point is that the echo chamber effect of Social media, the red pill, all this bogus crap is actually keeping you more miserable and hateful and bitter towards women. And secondly, is there is validity in conversing and excavating these subjects. It's not like you're into politics, therefore you're a dysgenic genetic freak. That's not what I'm saying. That's not what I'm suppositing at all. I want to see real men upright, talking about these matters, because that's how change will happen, right? So that's not what I'm against. That's not what I'm standing against. The. The subject itself isn't the issue. I'm questioning the intentions. I'm questioning the intention behind so many of these people that seem like borderline bots. And I would say that the. I'm not trying to tone police, but when the constant feedback is nothing but disgusting degeneracy, like you might say, something salient and wise and relatable, and all they do is say, shut the up, mud shark, experimental bioweapon, then at some point you go, it's not even offensive. But it can't help but reflect that maybe you're just a loser. Like, if you're not hearing my point and everything needs to be dragged down to your level of debauchery, maybe you're just yourself. Because I think a lot of us really happy. Do you believe happy people? Do you believe people who actually have, like, you know, you get back home, daddy's home, either hang out, like, are those people going online and acting like demons?

C (16:13)

Right.

D (16:14)

Of course not. You know, I think a lot of.

C (16:16)

People need to ask themselves, you know, what's happened with Marxist ideology and leftism and all this crap is there has been a cultural climate of extremism on one side. And I think it's like the law of opposites or, or whatever. There's. There's an equal opposite force that emerges because of that. And are you just getting funneled into it? And I, and I know that it's easy to feel vindicated. I'm not saying that it's not vindicated. If an extreme position stands, then sometimes an equal extreme position has to stand in opposition to it. But I don't know if we're meant to, even though that's a natural inclination. Inclination. Within Christianity, we're told to be apart from the world, right? And that is the world. When, when you have these things that are engaging across party lines or cultural lines, are we meant to pick the left path or the right path? Or are we meant to walk this narrow path? That was. That was really something that I had to start to ask myself too. Was like, as good as it feels.

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C (18:17)

The people that are saying wild shit that maybe there's an argument needs to be said. Is this me kind of conforming to the world, even though it's a world I'd like to see? Ultimately, in my infinite wisdom, I would certainly drive that culture to a point where it would become terrible. Right? I mean.

B (18:37)

Or is it. Is it me in general? Is a good question. I think. I think we got there. I got there about six months ago with, like. I don't. You probably haven't seen whatever we had. I used to do the tower gang thing. That whole thing broke up in, like, a very weird, very weird, sudden way. And I was left to decide, okay, I was doing a thing that was provocative and it was debaucherous. It was kind of out there. But I was doing it with a. With an air of comedy because I needed to tell. I needed to tell what I wanted to say in a way that people would hear it and not be, like, just beaten over the head with, like, a preachy attitude, if that makes any sense. Yeah, but that was like. That was taken away. And then I go, huh? I didn't want to do that anyway. But I was trapped here doing this. And in a way, it was like a. It was like a freedom. And I actually, like. I guess for like the last six months. I've been tweeting a little bit more lately because who the hell hasn't with the Epstein files, it's a lot of fun. But the appeal of Twitter kind of, like, fell off of me, and I. I realized I was like, okay, well, I. What do I actually want to do? I want to say the stuff that I say on this show, and I want to. I want to do it in a professional manner. The tweeting. It's not that it's a waste of time, but it conforms. It's. It's conforming my thoughts and my ideology, because there is an algorithm that I'm rewarded. And I'm like, you're keenly aware of when you're doing a thing that is being rewarded because you get that dopamine hit. But if you're not, I guess, discipline enough to take that and go, all right, wait a second. What just happened here? And do I want to continue to feed that? You'll fall into that trap, and I don't want to call anybody out, but there's. You know, we all know the people that are doing this, and we can see them, like, rinsing and repeating the same things. And I'm.

C (20:32)

Well, you see what Twitter rewards, too. It's not the nuance, it's not the thoughtful thing. It's like the. How do I take this? Reduce it into a bombastic, really inflammatory statement and. And send that out into the world?

B (20:43)

You want to know a very interesting one? Like, again, so what? The Twitter algorithm does not reward the new movie, David. It's like a children's movie. And I looked at it, and I go, oh, look at that. The Goliath that they got, they have him biblically accurate. Six fingers, six toes. He's got, like, cherry blonde hair, which is like, you know, and his skin is pale white. And I go, hey, man, like, good. It's a kids movie. But you guys kind of nailed it. You get it?

C (21:10)

It's very pale. Yeah, yeah.

B (21:12)

And then I look at the. You know, I'm still tapped into some of these older algorithms of, like, they're like, oh, yeah, of course they made Goliath into a white man with blonde hair. Yeah, of course they wouldn't. I'm just like, you're not even understand. But that one has thousands and thousands of likes. It's gone viral. I point out that actually, no, this is quite biblically accurate according to all the texts that we have and read and, you know, the extra canonical text as well. I don't know, 70 likes, 80 likes. And I was like, you know what?

D (21:35)

This is so funny because it's very revealing. Like, you know, you just mentioned about the Twitter algorithm. You know, someone asked me because, you know, there was a point where I'm on my seventh Twitter account, but every time I was able to basically get like, no, for like, every time within like a month, sometimes two months, I would get like over 100k followers. And that's because I knew how to break that barrier. And somebody asked me, you know, it's like, how do you get that traction? And I just told him, I said, you have to be a disgusting, filthy pig series, because that's actually what was rewarded. And, I mean, I was able to build enough momentum where I could type, hi, that's a tweet, and it'll get like a quarter million impressions. You know what I'm saying? Now I'm at the point where I can write the most salient, deep subject, something that really resonates with my soul, something I want to share. You get like 300 views, and it's just because that's the shadow banning effect. And I think what you gentlemen are sharing here, and what I would agree with, is that ultimately the highest masculine imperative is speaking our truth. I know that's a liberal sentiment, but there is. There is a resonance there. It's about speaking our mind and not holding it in. And that's why ultimately, like, the real ones. The real ones, and this has also been a part of my journey, would rather be broke and real than rich and fake. Like, that's what it boils down to. I'd rather keep it a stack, and I rather have reach where I'm at least speaking my mind, even if it doesn't get, you know, the same breach invisibility. Because, like, what's the point otherwise? Like, what is the point? What is it? What is it? To be a man is to use the logic spirit in you.

C (23:13)

Yeah.

B (23:14)

And this is what we were pushing up against with, like, the. With the ending of Tower Gang and that idea of this, like, real provocative speech and saying the thing you're not allowed to say. That was like, the brand. That's the top lobster brand. And I think that's pretty well established if people. I guess people forgot. But it's not what I. I just go there like, oh, how come you won't be my nigger sayer anymore? And I'm like, well, because I'm not gonna do it anymore. I'm not gonna. We're like, David said the same things, like, we're just not gonna do it anymore. And they go, oh, well, you're not the same. And I was like, well, I don't really give a shit. Yeah, it's like, I don't feel like it. You know? How about that?

C (23:45)

And then they get. Yeah, is that. I wonder if you guys would agree with this. Did you feel, for a moment in time, like we had the opportunity to steer culture on a big app? Like, it felt like it was actually there. It felt like you could do it. And then what I realized is, like, no, that's not true. There's an algorithm that waves, and they're steering people. And for a while, the direction it was aimed was just in the same direction that it always been aimed.

B (24:13)

I will say, though, I did a couple of times. So, like, there. There have been a couple of times where it's like, clearly, I am being stuck, steered by that hidden. That invisible hand that's like, yep, this is what works. So do that. And I've done that.

C (24:25)

It's got six fingers.

B (24:27)

It's got six fingers, and it's gonna push you towards the devil. But then there has been times where I have ste. And you can never. You can't. You can't steer the algorithm to where you want it, but you can steer it into chaos. And I think that I did that a lot, and that's one of the things that I had the most fun with, where it's like, you do take that thing. It's like, oh, you want to reward this? Okay, but we're going to make it crazy.

C (24:48)

Yeah.

B (24:49)

And then you just twist it on its head. And that, for me, that was, like, the most fun part. But, like, after a while, you just go, I don't know. People like, oh, why don't you do that anymore? It's like, well, because every time I did that, I left a piece of my soul here. It does take a little bit of a toll. Like, you have to be this, like, aggressive type of a person. You have to use this verbiage that.

C (25:06)

You wouldn't, like, I don't know, every day, like, hey, you want to fight a thousand people on Twitter? And for a while, I said, yeah, like, every day, I was like, let's go. We're going to fight a thousand people.

D (25:14)

And I'll tell you right now, some people, they make good money on Twitter doing this. You know, that's the thing. But I mean, what I will say is that, look, it's. What happens is the clickbait effect. Like, you know, you want to make a nice YouTube thumbnail, right? And there's, like, a whole, like, aesthetic understanding to this. Well, there's a way to tweet that way too. So in a way, it's like it is giving you traction, but unfortunately it just, you know, echoes the sentiment that the vast majority of people are brainwashed sheeple that are worshiping a system that's designed to kill them. Which is. But that's the way. That's the circular logic of the Ouroboros here. But if you actually care about decency, if you actually care about the youth and protecting kids, well, that's not going to get the same breach as me screaming, you know, look at all these disgusting Indians and niggers. And don't get me wrong, like, there's, there's truth and. Oh, wait, should I not say that?

C (26:13)

No, no, it's. No, it's fine, it's fine.

B (26:14)

But only say it if you want.

C (26:17)

Only if you want to say it.

B (26:20)

Nancy.

C (26:21)

Well, well, here's the real truth of it. It's like at the end of the day, when I'm done saying those things, the only thing that I care to continue to say isn't going to get that traction. And what I care to continue to say is pick up your cross and follow Christ. And that is going to get you. And that's. I went through this for a while where I was like, I stopped tweeting.

B (26:40)

Like, like, you know what's funny? I only use that word now, like around Matt and Matt. Matt's our guy. He owns the coffee shop and he's like, he does the Bible studies on our show. And he's like, kind of like our, our biblical teacher here. And he keeps us in line because we're crazy people. But when I do use the word, it's not even on air. I use it with him. And I use it in a way because sometimes he does, he'll put up these boundaries of like, you know, what's socially acceptable.

C (27:05)

Yeah.

B (27:05)

He's like, come on, man. Like, you're not allowed to say that.

C (27:08)

And then.

B (27:08)

No, no, that's when you say it. So this, it's a tool, but it's not something that I'm just going to throw around because. And everybody claps like, yeah, here's something.

D (27:16)

Here's something I just realized. I was just looking at. I was just, you know, there's three heads on the screen for me right here. Right. I just noticed. I just realized that we're in a difficult place because on one hand, we don't wanna, you know, appease the mob and basically just become ambassadors and avatars of this hatred that literally becomes an anchor around your neck. Like, a lot of these people are very unhappy. I met a lot of them. Like, I have a lot of these people's numbers who are, like, known for being, like, like, again, the avatar of the. Of a hatred instead of some echo chamber.

C (27:51)

Right.

D (27:52)

That's the one. I don't want a piece of them. But then the Christian audience, they're afraid of me too. That's the thing. So I'm like, I'm always in this place where, like, out. Like, this one guy was like, oh, I love your art. It's. It's not many people are utilizing their. Their painting, their. Their. Their visual acumen in this direction. Would you want to come on my show? I'm like, yeah, sure. And he just saw this one reel of me where I'm talking about, you know, the history of blood libel and these. These paintings. And he's like, I'm sorry.

B (28:20)

This video crushed over here. Dude.

D (28:22)

We can't do that. Crazy.

C (28:25)

Yeah. We've experienced something very similar.

B (28:28)

We experienced it all, as a matter of fact. We're going through it right now. But this is a constant. It just comes in waves.

C (28:33)

Yeah.

B (28:33)

Maybe we could help Arthur out, because I don't know if this is the. This is probably not the first time you're dealing with this. How to. And how to deal with it within the Christian community. It's like, oh, so you're a Christian influencer. What happens now?

C (28:46)

Something tells me it's definitely not the first time.

D (28:48)

I'm the worst person to. To talk about. I'm a professional bridge burner. Because my thing is that I don't try to offend people. But love.

A (28:58)

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D (29:27)

Are you really buying a car online on autotrader right now?

A (29:30)

Really?

D (29:30)

At a playground?

A (29:31)

Yeah, really? Look at these listings from dealers.

B (29:34)

Wow.

D (29:35)

Your search can really get that specific.

A (29:37)

Really?

D (29:37)

And you just put in your info and boom, Cars in your budget.

A (29:41)

Mom needs a second. Honey.

D (29:42)

You can really have it delivered.

A (29:44)

Really? Or I can pick it up at the dealer.

D (29:46)

Dealership.

A (29:47)

One sec, sweetie. Mommy's buying a car.

C (29:50)

I think kid is walking up the slide.

D (29:52)

Kyle again.

A (29:53)

Really? Auto trader.

D (29:55)

Buy your car online.

A (29:56)

Really.

D (29:57)

It's not that I'm just double downing every time because I'm not trying to be stubborn for its own sake, but it's more so that I'm not gonna put on some fake Persona.

C (30:08)

Yep.

D (30:09)

Like, like, you know what I'm saying? It's like.

C (30:13)

That I've learned to, to tone down, you know what I mean? Because I, I do begin to ask myself, as an ambassador of, of Christianity, like, am I. If my fruits are hatred, then. Then I've got to, like, assess the situation. So in that way, in my stupidity, I have fumbled quite hard, will continue to fumble, am currently fumbling, but I'm trying to refine it.

D (30:35)

Yeah, Yeah.

C (30:36)

I, I just don't want to be the type of person that I'll, I'll, I'll espouse that Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the life. And then I'll go and do something that creates fruits that are obviously not Christlike. Now, there are a time there, there are times where somebody might identify the fruits as unchristlike, but if I look at them and I examine them and I go, no, you just don't understand what's happening here.

B (31:04)

Right.

C (31:04)

I'm fine with that. But if I examine them and I see holes in my game and I go, that's a good point. That might have been. Then I've. That I've got to like, wash that out and I've got to, like, repent for that, and I got to try to figure out how to reorient and, and at least go forward and do better. So it's not to say that I'm not going to stop doing any of the things I want. It's just like if you're genuine and you have a criticism, and I look at that criticism and I go, I think you might be correct. I have to cut it out. And I've done that a bunch of times. It's going to continue to happen. And I think that God is patient. He cuts a lot of the fat off you as you move. And it happens in, in little manageable ways where you, you cast aside an idea or a thing that you used to do. But there are a lot of things, right, Arthur, that other Christians will look at and they will determine that it's bad fruit. And I'm still standing on that and going, no, you just don't understand right there.

B (32:00)

It's, it's a very fine line and walking. I mean, it's kind of exhilarating what we're Doing it's because nobody else is doing. Especially in this space that we found ourselves in, which is like very much embedded in, in the Christian community. No one else is doing what we're doing. We still say off color things, we still do off color things, we still joke around, we still beat up archaeologists and fake archaeologists and things like that. We're not gonna stop.

D (32:26)

I don't know what you mean.

B (32:27)

You did.

D (32:27)

But what you guys are doing is very important. Honestly, like, I don't like this is another problem though is that I, I guess the reason why I don't just, you know. By the way, I'm sorry to interrupt you. I know you were.

B (32:37)

Oh, no, go ahead.

D (32:41)

I'm not just trying to curtail. I'm sorry, what? You go ahead. No, I mean I'm not just trying to curtail like the, the church, like, no, not the church, but like the Christian online, I guess, brand and Persona. I'm not trying to like purposely just, you know, be disagreeable to it. That's sort of not my, my point. I think I just don't agree with the holier than thou LARP as well. I think that's also a part of the Dungeons and Dragon play. And I believe that we're all actually all broken and fallen and the beauty of it is that Christ will always give us grace and we should basically move in that stride and be thankful. And like, I'm not one of these purity spiraling Christians. Like I'm incredibly broken and afraid and, and always feel low like any other man. It just, if we're willing to admit it and acknowledge that in each other and go forward. I just don't believe this. This. If you're going to be a Christian influencer, you gotta just be, I don't know, like, you can't have your hair grown out, you can't have any independent style. I'm like, you know, you can't have any tattoos. Like whatever it is, you know, it's. I just don't buy that. I think in this epoch we have to understand that it's the matter of the heart and if I feel integrity and honesty and, and a man who, who has surrendered to God, that's my brother. That's kind of where I'm at. You know, I know that Twitter, if I, if I make that tweet right now, they'll say what a. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

C (34:14)

Well, that's the other thing, dude. I started to notice that unironically within this body of people that were supposed to supporting me every time that I said something about race statistics or otherwise was, was non ironic pagans, right? That was, I was going, whoa, this dude that, that believes in the Norse pantheon. And he's like, you know, got Mjolnir necklace like an. And he's got runic tattoos on his body and he's, and he's saying Hail Odin in his bio, is championing me for the things that I'm saying. That, that really started to screw with me and I started to notice that, that within this look it is true that something that you might describe as white erasure seemed to be taking place. And it is true that you could be racist against everybody except for white people. And it is true that white men were being, you know, castrated, spiritually, metaphorically, whatever, and, and that white women were being driven into debauchery. And, and maybe it was true that there was a Jewish agenda behind it. And I want to get into that. But when you proclaim those true things, then you were suddenly being supported by pagans, by dudes.

D (35:30)

This is the same diagnosis. The problem with these people is that being white is their religion.

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D (36:06)

Yes, and the problem here is that there is a totally uncurated synchronization between the pagans and white nationalists for a reason. It's not because white people. It's because what's happening is that for them, they're kind of exercising this blood mandate. And look, I don't deny racial statistics whatsoever. I never have. I actually made videos about this, trying to basically expel this so that we can talk about it openly. My, my issue is that, you know, actually this is a perfect thing, encapsulation of it. I remember I went into this X space and I usually don't like doing those X spaces because they're basically like eight hour identity politics group therapizing. It's the fact that people do that all day when you can be hanging out with your kids and yeah, you know what I'm saying? It's like. But I did go into the space and it was a bunch of white nationalist pagan people talking about India. And I'm like, yeah, I don't want India to become North America at all. I don't disagree with that sentiment. But what they don't understand is that India is literally what happens if they abandon the cross. Because that is the most pagan faith structure in all of the planet here. Hinduism is literally about relativity in that moral framework. Like paganism is incarnate today in India above all else anywhere, anywhere on the planet. And I was like, but don't you understand by rejecting any semblance of an overarching good and that wholesome aesthetic, you are going to quickly accelerate in that same direction. And that's kind of my issue, is that any people, when they abandon God, when they abandon Christ, they're to me, they're just regardless. Yeah, that's what I've come to see. And to them, being white is a religion. And honestly, I don't deny that white people under genetic structure in the world that they have, they're incredibly industrious and inventive and their societies have been supreme. That being said, the way these people online, they're no different than black saying we was kangs because, yeah, it's like I'm Nikola Tesla because I'm white. You literally mock the black guy who calls himself Mansa Musa because it's black. Like, shut the fuck up, you childless incel freak. You know what I'm saying? It's like they're not, they're not looking in the mirror when they talk.

C (38:31)

Yeah. What ended up happening was the same way that they would get ridiculed for saying. For, you know, black people for saying the white man is to blame for everything. Eventually what ended up happening was like, look, there's truth to it.

D (38:43)

Right?

C (38:43)

And I want to talk quite a bit about this whole JQ thing and what became of it, but the, the Jews became for the white man what the white man was for the black man.

D (38:55)

Yeah. And they don't see that.

C (38:57)

And you know what?

D (38:58)

Somebody sent me this video and actually sort of encapsulates this perfectly. There was this 4chan user who kept threatening like political figures and he kept posing as like this superior white area man to everyone. You know, the whole profile photo with like everything right. Perfectly, aesthetically sound. And he was getting so despondent that the police actually found his IP address. And this is like one of those YouTube body cam footages, right? It's one of those videos on YouTube and it has like millions of views. I'll have to like send it to you guys. And the police get to this guy's house. And I was expecting some like young, decent looking 14 year old poster. And this mom, this old boomer mom, she's like, hi. It's like, what's going on? And the police like does. I can't remember his name, I'm drawing a blank. But does he live here? He's like, yeah, let me go see. Calls him, it's like David or whatever. David comes out of his basement, is this giant fat troll in his like late 40s and he has this disheveled hair and then he's getting arrested. And I'm like, yeah, you're, you're LARPing as a superior man, saying that because my skin is white, I'm Nikola Tesla and calling black people who do the same things, chimping out retards, but you're doing the exact same thing. And this is my point. We do not want to adopt and practice the same evil that we abhor. We should come above it. And the only way we come above it is with grace. And that grace only comes from God. And that's why people don't understand that it's actually a spiritual matter of the heart. And until you don't, like, until you like can see that it's a matter of a war between good and evil. Like if you can't see that, then you're never going to able to look past these petty transgressions.

C (40:31)

Well, that's, these people are looking for unification along racial lines or along party lines or ideological lines. And really it's like it's unification through Christ. And that's a huge part of it too. Because when you're doing this, you're sort of aligning yourself with whatever, with white nationalists or you look in the comments section and there's pagans or this and that, or you're aligning yourself with the based red pill movement or you're aligning yourself with Republicans. You're aligning yourself with the world. And it just keeps going back to that. It's like everything is the world and we're called to be in it, not of it. And we're supposed to be unified through Christ. Right. And so that is the thing that I realize is, is the actual value.

B (41:12)

I mean, well, what a genius plot.

C (41:14)

Right?

B (41:14)

Like if you wanted to take, if you wanted to take white people who like, like, like Arthur said, admittedly they have like some of the best structures.

D (41:22)

Of civilization, by the way, I'm just generous. Yeah. You know what I mean?

A (41:28)

Yeah.

D (41:28)

And it's like my point is, I'm like, okay, you want to be a, you want to have a greater increase of beautiful, good, wholesome, attractive upright white people. I'm for that too. I love that. But you have, you're like, go make some white babies. The reality is you can't. That's what you're acting like an online. Yeah, that's just my point. I'm just being honest, you know, that's what I've come to see.

B (41:52)

There's also, I mean, I think the larp. Not just the larp, but like the, the movement. Because there will be like white people who are non ironic pagans and they will, they'll tell you things like, oh, you're worshiping a Jewish.

D (42:05)

Oh yeah.

B (42:05)

And, and this is like, it is a genius move of, of the devil because I'm also. All right, we, we've gone through this whole JQ thing and we've seen all the crimes and we know what they do. And this is not really a surprise to anybody who's been paying attention, but if you've read the Bible, you'll also look at this and go, yeah, this is not a surprise. Who's any. To anybody who's been paying attention. These people have been consistently evil and wicked in some of the worst ways, in the worst ways possible. So when I'm looking at them again, are all these God's chosen people? Probably not. They're definitely a remnant and they're probably in Israel now with the reputation that they have in conjunction with the way white men specifically in America are viewing them more and more every day. Especially now with this drop of the Epstein files. It's like when they, when they look at me and they go, your God's a Jewish? And I'm just like, man, you guys are, you're so far down the rabbit hole. It's almost like you're like you have fallen full for this psyop because that's your way out of this. And it's such a genius trap to put you in the situation where it's like, yeah, go ahead, put that square peg in that round hole because it's not going to fit. But you're not understanding, you're not understanding why Jesus would come here as a Jew. And somebody told me it was actually kind of like one of these mind blowing things. He said that Jesus was a Jew or, well, Jews are God's chosen people for the same reason that Jesus was born in a food trough. It's like an example. It's, it's, it's God showing you, like, yeah, look at this.

C (43:39)

Watch me Use the worst.

B (43:41)

Yeah. And. And watch me bring about the greatest thing in the world here.

C (43:45)

And it's why Jesus comes as a servant, a humble servant.

B (43:48)

It's meant to be this contradiction that human beings cannot grasp and will trip you up. But it has to be that example. And of course it's going to be used and spun around on people. I just.

D (43:58)

I don't know.

B (43:58)

So many people are going to go astray and they need to hear the truth. Like, right now in the shop, we have, like, younger kids coming in. They're like, man, in our English class, we're just like, learning about people and we find out that they're Jews. And every single time. And these kids are on the porn industry.

C (44:13)

They own it. Yeah.

D (44:14)

It's like, yeah.

B (44:16)

And they're telling us stuff that we've been like, that we were tweeting last year as.

C (44:21)

And.

B (44:22)

And I don't even know if we were tweeting, but we were like, tweeting this and people were like, yeah. And then it gains traction. Now a year later, I'm hearing a kid from high school say the same thing, but I'm like, oh, but you've got no. You've got no background or cultural understanding of where to put this. So when this is told to you, you're gonna go, hell, yeah, Hal Hitler. Right, yeah, that's gonna clip that, but let's go. Yeah. And without the understanding of all the pagan roots of Nazism and where that stuff comes from and like, oh, you know, Hitler was.

D (44:52)

Was a good guy.

B (44:52)

And she was like, you know, maybe not, man. Like, you got to do a little bit of research, but you're so.

D (44:57)

Yeah, but he's not a good guy. No.

C (45:00)

Well, that's the thing is because we were lied about him or lied to about him, everybody assumes that's a correction.

D (45:07)

They're over emphasizing him. Right. But it's actually false as well. Yeah. And you know what I got to say is that, like, the bottom line is I'm not trying to convince these pagan white nationalists the doors open. I'm. That's actually always been my approach. Like, I'm willing to talk to anyone, but they don't want to talk. That's the point. They want. They love their echo chamber because it makes them look like both these victims and have that heroic complex in them. Because all the problems in their life is because, you know, they're just these victims and that's why they have this resurgence. Right. So it's just their sort of like, inferiority complex. But what I will say is that they're the types where there was that. What is that boomer retard who tweeted about he went to church service and he had an Indian pastor, so he walked past him or something during. You know, I can't remember the details of it, but if I saw. I don't know, like, if. Let's say I was, you know, done wrong by some racial demographic, but if I saw them at church being upright and proper, loving and kind and pleasant, wouldn't that not be something you want to see? Like, isn't that a addition of it? And for them it's like, no, because they're not white. That's just simply what it boils down to. And it kind of reminds me of when Kanye was going so hard in the paint wearing a Nazi shirt and all this. I'm like, okay, so he's literally saying, black people are so brainwashed, I need to stop hitting white people. And I woke up to this reality, and I happen to be, as a person who woke up to this reality, as a black person, they're one of the most influential people on the planet. And I'm gonna coincide with that sentiment. But then they all say, no, you. You're black. Like, at some point, at some point, you realize that they don't even want to win. They just want everyone to be in kinetic war and have no universal coming together. Because the reality is the actual archetypal structure. Not to be so Campbell and. And Tolkien esque, but it's that we're all these different. There are divisions and different tribes at foot, but we need to learn to work together under God. And if we can all come together and slay Sauron, like the orcs and the Asians would be the elves, white people would be the humans. You know, that's like the. Actually the correct, like, prototype, actually, because that's actually the only way we'll win. If you just look at it from how much control they have, if you wanted to tear down that structure, which is their main goal constantly. But I don't think they actually want to win because if we just look at it from a statistical perspective, simply numbers, percentage based. This one, this one guy in Twitter, he broke down how in order to win, we actually will have to come together even to preserve white identity. You're gonna have to come together with these other races, and they don't want to accept that. But he was able to break it down. His name's Ian Malcolm. That guy?

C (47:54)

Yeah.

D (47:54)

He actually broke down in, like, percentage bases. Okay. If they own this, this disproportionate amount of power, this is the percentage. This much. She, like, broke down to whole numbers. And I was like, like a calculator. I'm like, okay, so you actually have to work with people who respect your, you know, desire to preserving your white identity. That's. And again, I don't want to see white people disappear. I don't want people to say this guy's a Korean bioweapon or a Chinese asset or whatever. That's not, that's not the case here.

C (48:24)

You know, they did do something interesting, right? Because, I mean, we do like to rag on the black community for whatever, blaming white people for, for all, everything that woes them. And then of course, white people will say, actually it's the Jews who weaponized you. They did something fascinating where they made sure that black people were going to be broke. And then they made victimhood a currency. And now you see black people clamoring to, you know, retain as much victimhood as possible. But I think that when Top is talking about the, the, the JQ leading to this, you know, this, this kind of pointing at Jesus and saying he's a Jew too. Now, now one of the things that is glaringly obvious about that is when people get upset about the Jews, what are they getting upsetting about or getting upset about? They're getting upset about cultural subversion and rot. They're getting upset about pornography, they're getting upset about predatory loans, about, you know, the, the, the banking elite. Corruption, corruption, corruption. None of these things is what Jesus preached. So, I mean, it's, it's a remarkable thing to point at Jesus and say he's a Jew while he displays none of the characteristics of the thing that you've come to hate. But it does seem to me like what happened was the Jewish question was suppressed for a long time and that, that was instrumental in creating what followed. And what followed was a release on a pressure cooker valve. And that release was Twitter. And where we could not express these sentiments in any other place, suddenly there was a, there was a, a place. And, and we went in and we dipped our toes in, you know, and we said, the Jews own the boats. And we looked around and it was like, okay, we were allowed to say it. And then, you know, we kept hitting that button, kept hitting that button, and suddenly the, the valve exploded. And this, this, this thing that was suppressed. And that's the idea about an idea specifically. You cannot suppress it. If you suppress an idea, it simply goes underground and it builds and it stagnates and it waits for a time when it's finally allowed to be expressed. Twitter comes along and this is allowed to be expressed. And then after that you can see, or at least I can see these sort of strings of the algorithmic puppet master moving this conversation along. You would be boosted if you said, you know this about the Jews. You would be boosted if you said that about the blacks. And for a long time I was sitting back and I was wondering, well, I can see this happening. What then would be the point? Would the point be so that there's another persecution and they get another Israel type of situation? Maybe likely, right, that kind of see that playing out. They don't seem to, you know, the, the body of Jews that maybe the Bible would call the synagogue of Satan that are hiding behind the actual small percentage of Jews that still exist there. They have no problem hiding behind them like human shields. They'll pull the strings, they'll poison the well. And when the persecution comes, they won't be there, you know, but the people that own the deli and you know that kind of thing, they'll be the ones who are persecuted. And so could that further there. And then I realized maybe it genuinely is so that people will turn to Christ and go Jew. And when that happens, I mean there are people right now the, the sentiment that they're expressing is worse than that of an atheist who says, yeah, religion is, is a man made construction. Yeah, that, you know what I see.

D (52:00)

Happening, man, is, I mean that, that, that coincides. Because what I see is, look, I want as Christ wanted. You know how he's. He flipped the tables against the money changers. Well, that would be like getting rid of apac, right? Like, I'm not against any of that because that's corruption. Right. Let me first say, if the purple people were causing usury and owning all the porn, I want the purple people to be expelled. So first of all, I have a universal tenet here that I'm acting. But what I will say is that I actually want these things that they hyperbolically preach the actual action in regards to expelling corruption instead of a leadership what man is going to be against that that's better for your progeny and the next generation. My issue is that I truly believe, as I mentioned previously, the Twitter psyop is designed to create more volatility so that people don't recognize that hate movements are destined to fail because they end up eating themselves. And that's kind of the main sentiment I want to Share. Because there's literally like you guys were talking about, there is an assembly line of new JQ influencers and that is just like so cringe. There's these young guys who are trying to make a career without having any going ads or have paid any type of price being Jewish expelling, like repeating the talking points of what like me and my peers did and we've. I've been debanked and I've lost all this. And these are now repeating these points now that the Overton window is comfortable enough to repeat these points. My point is their intentions are not pure. They're just being in a different manner. They might as well be fitness influencers with only fans, girls. To me it makes no difference. It's like they're conservative inc. Slop consumers. And because they don't actually want to heal the planet, they don't actually want to tell people that, you know, there's a answer and solution for us to all rise up together. Because that's, that is what they fear. That's not what they want. So if they actually wanted what they preach, they would check their tone. But they don't. They want to go viral. They want to go on Miami streets with this stupid mic and zoomer dressed outfit and go, yep. How many. If somebody was kicked out of a bar 109 times, is it the bar's fault or is it the person who's drunk, like, shut the up. Like. But you're not, you're not a revolutionary because you're always speaking underneath the Overton window. You don't actually have the integrity. And the reason why, you know, this is that look, the way a person speaks tells me everything about them. Right? And the fact that all of these people, they just want more division and deleteriousness. They can all go themselves, honestly, because I don't have faith in these people.

B (54:46)

Yeah. Do you think that they do though? Like, is this something that I, that I often wonder when I see the, the next generation or the generation after that come come up after me and they're saying, I'm looking at them. I'm going like, yeah, yeah, I said that. I said it funnier, but you said it. And then they'll, they'll even have the nerve to look at you and go, yeah, you ain't, you ain't about it. You won't say this. Like, you know, you won't say, you won't be my, my N word sayer. I'm like, well, yeah, no, I'm not. Not.

C (55:14)

And also there's no more arrows.

B (55:16)

Yeah, it's like, we already shot. Like, to be honest, Owen Benjamin was the guy.

C (55:19)

Yeah.

B (55:20)

He shot the arrows.

C (55:21)

We.

B (55:22)

I. I got some arrows, but Owen Benjamin took all of them.

C (55:25)

Yep.

B (55:25)

And. And you know what? He didn't. But he, like, when I was going through that phase, he didn't go like, hey, you, like, you know, like, I already said that he's watching, but he did. He did give us, like, careful criticism. Like, you know, the. Kill the J in your own heart.

D (55:41)

Right. Was.

B (55:42)

It was a big one. But he let us. He let us. He let us work in our space because I think he. He was smart enough to understand. He's like, oh, these guys seen it. They're seeing it again, like, for the first time.

C (55:53)

Gotta go through it.

B (55:54)

You gotta go through it. They're gonna struggle through it. There are some people who are just out there doing, you know, for clicks and all this stuff.

D (56:00)

Yeah, but you guys actually follow God. That's probably what Owen saw in you all. Because, again, it's. That's the universal spirit that I see is that, like, if I saw some young. I don't know, what do you call it? Like, Zoomer Alpha, whatever. Some young guy, he's repeating these points. I'm like, I could go to and be like, listen, buddy, you're not in the ADL list. Like me. You know, I don't need to do that. Right? But. But if he's actually wanting to carry the torch because he wants to bear that weight and integrity, like, you say, carry the cross, dude, go for it. Like, one of my goals, this is one of my personal goals, is to be antithetical to boomers. I want to get out of the way so these young people can have carpet dm. Like, that's a personal goal of mine. I want them to be better than me. Sure. But my problem is that most of these JQ influencers I see, like, like, bro, they. They just want to go viral, and they just want to be an influencer in a different space and domain. That's all it is. Like. Like, fitness influence used to be the biggest thing with gymshark and all this. It's just not that popular now. So they're looking at this as another trend, and that's what I've come to see. And I'm like, well, you know, if you're going to talk about all these things without actually taking the risks and standing for something, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, you.

B (57:18)

You monetize it. This is like.

D (57:22)

Like, I'm demonetized everywhere, brother. I make my money through paintings like this. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I don't get any. Any drip.

B (57:32)

These guys aren't the next generation. Now, the next generation that's doing what you did in a much safer manner are getting paid for it now.

C (57:38)

Yeah.

B (57:39)

And it's like, you.

D (57:40)

So that's okay.

B (57:41)

What the.

D (57:42)

What the. Again, it's their intention.

C (57:45)

Get your money, playboy.

B (57:46)

Well, no, I mean, listen.

D (57:47)

What.

B (57:47)

What the powers that be have done have taken. They've taken all the teeth out of the things that you were saying before, and now they pay these guys to say it. So now there are the guardrails. So there's like an industry behind it. And we've seen it happen with, I don't know, the libertarian space. I've seen it happen with a couple. A bunch of places, especially within comedy, different genres of comedy. But it's like money's inserted and it's given to the people who are, like, saying the thing. And now they. Now that you take the money, they're like, all right, here's the guidelines. You could say these things. Here are a couple things you could say. But like, this is the revenue. This is. This is what is created.

D (58:20)

And.

B (58:20)

And then it's steered. And it's just like, you can't be punk rock and take money from Elon Musk.

C (58:26)

I think that's it. Yeah. The punk rock spirit has been removed from this endeavor. This venture is no longer punk rock. It's no longer dangerous.

B (58:35)

It's not dangerous.

D (58:37)

That.

C (58:37)

That was. That was what gave it. So it was like you were actually, you know, that's kind of why I.

B (58:42)

Put the line, what a psychopath. It was like, this isn't dangerous.

C (58:45)

Yeah.

B (58:46)

Once I realized, I was like, I. I'm getting paid to. Yeah. Like, this is not.

C (58:50)

Well, okay, so. So I want to frame this for you.

B (58:53)

It doesn't put me at risk.

D (58:54)

I don't want to swatted three times, you know what I'm saying? It's just like, give me a break. Yeah, yeah. So it's just like, give me a break with the. It's like. It's like you are going on Omegle and seeing some black girl pop up and calling her the N word to get some reaction and to share it. So. Yeah. Provocative. It's like, wow, you're revolutionary. You're calling some little kid a profound. You know, I mean, it's like, dude.

C (59:16)

I really do hate that when they're doing that to kids on Omega and everything. Like, number one, get your kids off omega. What the are you doing? But number two, just because somebody's a bad parent out there doesn't mean that this kid is suddenly free game. And to go out there, dress like a cartoon character and say to a little child is, is. It's like, how is this. There, there is something. You said that what shines through, it's the pursuit of truth.

D (59:40)

Influencers, man, they don't believe in God.

C (59:42)

It's the worst ever. I, I really can't stand that. And it's like, this is not about pursuing the truth. This is not about trying to understand, trying to look for solutions or, or proclaiming it because you think that it's an actual emergency that needs to be addressed. And nobody's saying it. We're way beyond that pale. Everybody's saying it now. So that's not the problem anymore. So now you're just doing a cartoon character and screwing kids up.

B (60:04)

Here's the problem we all have to deal with though. And I think, Arthur, you, I don't know if you've looked at, looked at what you've done before, not to be like, look at what you've done. But what I'm speaking for myself. The things that I've done. Somebody just mentioned somebody in the chat. The things that I've said and done on a show which were meant for comedy but also meant to purvey a message, they're now being repeated in a ham fisted way by people who were, I know, who were fans of what I did. And they like. And it's like, it's very much like, like they go out there like, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, like that. And I'm just like, I'm watching them do it back and I'm like, not like that, not like that. And then. But I also realize that it comes off like they might think I'm condescending on them. Like a lot of the people, some of the people that were fans of this show that no longer, now they're like, oh, they go away from me because I'm like, I try to explain to him like, dude, dude, not like that. And I can't explain to you how to do this.

D (60:58)

I know what you mean.

B (61:00)

But I, I contributed to that because I, I influenced them.

D (61:03)

Yeah.

B (61:04)

And, and maybe in my lesson or in my actions, I wasn't, I wasn't as specific as I should have been with like my intentions of why I'm doing it or like, if you want to do something like this, there's a craft and an artful way to do it. Like you mentioned about like how you would craft a tweet. In a way, there's a lot that goes into this. If there's one word or syllable that's misfired, if there's like a simple pause in a joke and an inflection that, I'm telling you, it's not going to come out the same way. But, but the listener that is a fan of this stuff doesn't perceive that and doesn't really understand it. Yeah. And then they want to do it.

C (61:37)

Because this is a craft.

B (61:38)

But they also, like, I think their intentions are like, it is kind of a craft, you know.

C (61:43)

It is, it is.

B (61:43)

But their intentions, when they see somebody doing, they go, man, that guy said something. And it resonates with me. You know what? I want to do that too. Well, if you don't do it the right way, it just sounds like sounds.

D (61:54)

You know what it is? I don't want to, I don't want to sound so ridiculously Asian, but this is the same from the Orient. You ready? So when the wrong man uses the right means, the right means work in the wrong way.

B (62:07)

Right?

C (62:08)

That's it.

D (62:08)

So all of these people out here who are becoming JQ influencers, you know, I use a comedy term, I told this to Leonardo Gioni once, that every time I see comedians who are brainwashed by whatever you want to call it, the woke virus or identity politics or they're constantly hitting a certain angle. Every time you're forcing a throat laugh, not a belly laugh, you're making them basically posture and go through this action and almost like, like a pseudo applaud instead of actually having like a real reaction from your gut. And that's what a lot of these new age controversial ethno nationalist influencers are doing. Because I'm not necessarily disagreeing with their points, but my point is that they're not actually producing or moving the people in a positive place. It's like self serving debauchery. And the reason why, once again, it always comes down to this is that their morality is not anchored on anything.

C (63:05)

Yeah.

D (63:06)

Just not.

C (63:06)

I, I can't help but wonder too if like the reason that it's coming off as, you know, so I don't know, it's not just crass, I mean it is crass nature, but it's coming off cringy and it's also coming off like a moot point. And, and the reason is, is because I, I have come to the conclusion.

B (63:23)

That we were being to make again after.

C (63:25)

Well, that. I think so. So I came to this conclusion that we were being funneled. What. What organically felt like a. A noticing of Jews and all of their crimes against humanity ultimately was an exact path that was laid out for us. And there was a time when you would go out and you would take the arrows. You said, you know, Owen Benjamin. And I think that was a real genuine time. We were like, second or third wave, you know, and there was still some real potency to, like, getting the message out. It was when Twitter first opened the gates for that. But now I think we. Sounds full of ourselves. I think we were the last ones. And now what's happened is, to be.

B (64:03)

Honest, I will say, I think, yeah, we were. I got banned from Twitter right before Elon Musk changed it to X. I got banned for criticizing Linda Yaccarina, who was like, the CEO at the time.

C (64:15)

Time.

B (64:15)

And I was like, right to her face. I know this, saw it because it went super viral. So, like, that's real. Like, I was talking to the person who owned it and criticizing them accurately. And for that, you're, like, moved aside.

C (64:26)

But I do think I got it back.

B (64:27)

I got the account back in some weird way, like Revek Ramaswamy.

C (64:32)

Like, well, I. I do.

B (64:35)

Bizarre, dude.

C (64:36)

I think we were still being funneled in those.

B (64:39)

But that was, like, dangerous, right?

C (64:40)

Yeah.

B (64:41)

Like, that's like.

C (64:41)

Well, now that the danger has been removed, all that's left is the funnel. All that's left is the path that they laid out for us. And, like, like you said, with the whole pointing to Jesus and saying, you're Jewish. And I was saying to Arthur a moment ago that. I think that that was part of the point. I now have begun to look at every time a drop is added to the JQ bucket. Because at some point, we're going to reach a critical mass. And I don't know what that looks like. Right. I'm not going to persecute the Jews. I don't want anything to do with that. I just wanted to tell everybody that they own the porn companies and maybe own the ships and. But outside of that, I'm not calling for the persecution or anything. Even if we're talking about getting them out of the country. What happens when you try to forcibly remove a people that doesn't want to be removed? Well, then the force turns into violent force. I'm not even going to go down that path. But every time a drop gets added to the bucket, I do notice. And when these Epstein files came out One of the biggest. It wasn't just a, it was like somebody dumped another bucket into the Jew noticing.

D (65:34)

Bucket.

B (65:35)

Yeah, it's a big one.

C (65:36)

Over and over and over again, the word goyem appears in the Epstein files that were released by the DOJ on Friday. It's like hundreds, 200 and something times maybe more than that. And people are doing keyword searches. Obviously goyim is. Yeah, it's a glowing endorsement of like what they think of us, but on a much smaller scale. You could see it if they didn't use the word, the language, goyim. I'm sure you could still find context throughout the files where you would be.

B (66:04)

Like this Jewish superiority happening.

D (66:07)

Yeah, Jewish superiority inside of our government is, is the, the largest problem inside of our leadership. I mean, I don't deny that, but again, the problem is that these, these voices commenting on the matter, they're actually not trying to fix anything.

C (66:23)

No, but my, my thing is I like to play a thing out until it's final solution. You know, like I go, I go.

B (66:31)

How does that end?

C (66:32)

Yeah, where is this going to end? And I've seen where the Jew thing ends. And I go, well, I can't be a part of that. If there is a portion, a percentage of those people that is God's people, I'm not going to be responsible for persecuting them. I've already done enough actually. And so, and also it seems to me like you want us to notice. And there's even this element where it's like, do the Jews want us to notice? Because it seems like the Jews are doing things in a very Jewy way.

D (66:58)

I just don't want them in like super powerful leadership positions. Like that's like, that's a reasonable thing. Because at the end of the day I know that like we live in this new age where people can basically exercise like a flexible morality. You can be whatever faith you want to be, blah, blah, blah, pantheism. Right. As long as you all believe in something spiritual, which is such a vague work. Like any girl with crystals in college calls herself spiritual, whatever you want to call it. Right. But the reality is that religions have very different worldviews and, and how they look at universal precepts. And I would rather have a person inside of, you know, our position of power and leadership being Christian. That was my point. That was actually Connie's main point. Connie's only point was when he was wearing that whole ski mask thing on Alex Jones, he was like, look, all I'm saying is that if this is a country founded by God. We should have the leadership, being Christian. That's all I'm saying. You know, I'm not, I'm not going, like, I'm not like trying to actually gather them up, round them up, put them on trains, put them in concentration camps. That would be fun. But that's not what I'm necessarily trying to do.

B (68:04)

Seems like a lot of work just to show them.

C (68:06)

Just to show them the trains. Because the trains are really cool.

B (68:08)

Yeah.

D (68:08)

Also because it's a nice spot anyways. It's like you and you get the rubbing oil, they give you that little gift basket.

C (68:15)

But like, if we, if we're to believe in biblical prophecy, and many of us think that we could well be in. In the end times, right? In. In a series of events that's unfolding in the Book of Re. The Bible does talk about a time where the nations will turn on Israel.

B (68:30)

And they're doing everything they can to fulfill them.

C (68:33)

And it's like, I see that happening and I'm like, okay, that's interesting. So let's say we're there and the nations are going to turn on Israel. What are we called to do during these times? Right, that's. That's always. I think what we need to bring it back to is like, what is scripture telling us to do? Is it telling us that? Is it saying that we should turn on Israel? Or just saying, like, look, this is what's going to happen. The world that you're called to be in but not of is going to turn on Israel. These are events that you're going to see come to unfold. Is it saying, partake in that. And if there is truly a remnant of God's people in there, but it's also.

B (69:04)

You have a guy stabbing you, right?

C (69:06)

That is true.

B (69:07)

He's just stabbing you and you're going.

C (69:08)

We shouldn't beat this guy's ass.

B (69:10)

Yeah. And at some point you're like, man, you know, I don't want to be anti Semitic, but you gotta, you gotta stop. Like what I just said, that's my thing. I'm like, we had this argument before. I was like, they just gotta stop. Yeah, they gotta stop. And then he goes, well, how do you make.

D (69:25)

And here's where things get uncomfortable because this is why I make it very clear that I do want there to be some type of solution. I'm not going to say final solution like you did, by the way. You know.

C (69:38)

It was just the last solution.

D (69:43)

There needs to be a solution, because the Only problem is that, you know, a lot of people don't understand how spiritual bonding really works. And the problem with the anti Christian sewer dwellers, these, these small hats is that they're, they're not gonna stop. They're just not gonna stop. And the reason why we know that they're not going to stop is because if you study the structure of power, the reason why they have power actually is because this is a very complicated thing. But like, if you study the psychology of these folks and the way power works, the reason why they will only double down, the reason why things like the Samson option even exists in the first place is because, you know, there's different ways to bond with one another. But the Jewish, like, obviously sex is a form of bonding, right? Like if you look at the 300 warriors in Constantinople, like a lot in Thermopylae, Sorry, a lot of people don't know that. Like, this is uncomfortable truth. But they're all having sex with each other. That's why they were so good.

C (70:45)

They were going in the hot gates.

D (70:47)

Yes. The reason why the 300 soldiers were so powerful was because they're all having sex with each other. So they were all caring about each other. They're like a bond. Well, there's one way of having a deeper bond together than anything else, and it's doing crimes together. And the fact that Israel is doing child genocide together, it's like they're thick as thieves. It's like when two kids go to the principal's office together, they're not going to admit anything so that they can continue to practice their duplicitous behavior. The problem is that I wish they would stop, but they're not going to because they've already exhibited child genocide so that they can't stop, because the world has now seen them do something so degenerate and dark on repeat that all they have an option is to confide with each other. So that's why there does need to be a solution. Once again, that's half the reason why all these secret societies do blood libel, adrenal blood drinking together, because they become once again closer as a bond than even their significant other they're sleeping with. Like crime is actually historically the way secret societies have always bonded close together. That's why when you look at some kid in Compton, they ask him to do some carjacking, you know, because now it connects them to the gang. So doing something really outside the boundaries of security and societal acceptance and those norms that actually they do that because it makes them connected to each other. It creates a very deep tie. It's. It's deeper than sex, actually. That's what people don't realize. And the reason why these people won't stop is they won't. They just won't. They've been killing kids and bombing schools and hospitals for how long now? So, I mean, they're just gonna have to. They're gonna double down, man. That's. That's why it's uncomfortable. Truth. But something needs to be done. But again, my point is that we should be able to talk about these matters, but we need to accept that as Christian, man, we do need to step up and fix this situation. But if we're just constantly fighting each other about. Yeah, but you need to be. This race. It's like I always say that we're all in a car driving 100 miles per hour towards a brick wall, and we're arguing about the seating arrangement. So something does need to be done, but we're too busy stabbing each other in the back and cutting each other's throats because you're a bioweapon. I mean, Raven, you know what I'm saying?

C (73:09)

Yeah. Well, so I almost want to pose a question. Yeah, yeah. You know what? So if in the Bible, Israel has been worshiping fallen gods since, you know, Exodus and before, and they're engaging with Canaanites who are, you know, doing cannibalism and necromancy and all this, and they're. They're practicing usury, you know, over and over again, Israel falls and comes back and falls and comes back and falls and comes back, and they're doing the same thing. Now, I think that would really emphasize what you said a moment ago, Arthur, which is they're not going to stop. And if that's true, they're not going to stop because they've engaged in these. And it's. It's deeply ingrained in who they are, you know, as a people, to whatever extent. Let's just say that's the case. And the Bible even shows us this. This behavior.

B (74:04)

I think Arthur. Arthur brought up a good point, too, because it mimics the. The story of the fallen angels where they take this oath. Semyaza presents the oath to the rest of the fallen angels. And we're like, we're going to take these women as wives, and this is the sin that you cannot come back from. This is the thing that will throw you out of God's grace. They all agree, and then they move forward. Thick as thieves, some would say. And until the end of time when their. Their punishment will be. The question again is like, well, is that my punishment?

C (74:30)

You just said it right there, though. Their punishment. Who punishes them?

B (74:33)

God punishes them.

C (74:34)

Right. And so if we're looking at Israel and this is like, God's like, hey, hey, hey, I know they're retarded, but these are my people. And he doesn't even obfuscate through the Bible. Like, yeah, yeah, look, they're. They're super retarded. They do terrible, and then they're kind of good. Then they do terrible, then they're kind of good. Happens over and over again since the dawn of time. So when you look around and you see them doing terrible, you're damn right. They are still my people. I'm gonna deal with them.

B (74:56)

All right, but what do you do when they're in America?

C (74:58)

That's a great question. I don't know. That's kind of what I'm posing. This is.

B (75:01)

Yeah, no, Israel is God's problem. The Jews are God's problem. And he's going to deal with them. Yeah, but right now they're my problem. And they. And now, now you're. Now you're putting a problem that I shouldn't have to deal with in my hands. And now we're going to act out outside of. We have to act outside of God's will. But then you have to go back and look at the scripture again. Like, this is one of the things that I reference constantly is the man, what book is it? I think it's First Samuel, where they're talking about Samuel's sons. And these were the prophets of old, but they became corrupt. And the Jewish people go, yo, even your own sons are corrupt.

C (75:34)

We.

B (75:34)

We can't have this kind of leadership because at. At that time, that's what the Jews were under. They were under, like, you know, prophets and priests. And they go, we want a king. So Samuel goes, and he asked God, they said, hey, they want a king. And God said, all right, you give him a king, but these are the consequences. And the people still said, yeah, we don't care about those. He'll take your daughters as concubines. He'll send your sons to war. He'll take your crops. There'll be taxes, there'll be fires, there'll be war. And they go, yeah, yeah, yeah, but this gotta stop. Your sons are taking money from the temple or whatever they're doing. They're full of corruption. And right now we can't deal with this, and it's gotta stop. So even though God gave them that strict warning, like, yeah, I'll give you what you want, but these are the consequences that people still ask for because we're up against time. Like, us. Us right now. We're all up against time. We're in America. We've got kids, we've got family, we've got jobs. We've got things that we need to do. And there is certainly a people here especially. Listen, the Epstein files kind of like, reveals a lot of this. Is the people here working against the interests of what everybody else wants to do. You want to make artwork and have a fantastic life. I want to have kids, and I want to make T shirts sometimes and do a podcast. That's fun. But these things get tripped up in a. In a very intense way. And then it.

C (76:44)

It.

B (76:44)

It leads us to these conversations. But it's like, is it our job to have these conversations and to make and to dole out this sort of judgment?

D (76:52)

I got a question for you. I got a question for you. So. So you just made a delineation about how, you know, I. I can be following God on one hand, and then I can be enacting it in my own manner. And I would say, is it always a separation of one or the other? Because, you know, if, you know. You also just mentioned the Epstein files. Well, Jesus has, you know, if you want to know how Jesus feels about pedophiles, I mean, you just have to open many verses in the Bible. So is it necessarily a bad thing? I would say it's the condition of the heart. Like, in the same way I. I practice martial arts, right. When I go to spar, I don't hate the person I'm sparring, but I can put a whooping if I want to without malice. Right. Is there a way of not having the. The demonic sensation of sin and rage inside of you? And don't get me wrong, we all have our emotional tantrums. That's. But, you know, I just wanted to pull up this verse, because in Matthew 18:6, it says that. But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to stumble, it will be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea. Like, does anybody know how big a millstone is? These are giant rocks. Imagine tying a rope on one and you toss them over the water because you're a pedophile. Now, why does the Bible say that, though? He's not saying to be angry and go kill his whole family. But is there not also a place for men to be biblical where they're not always just meek and I guess being pushovers and spineless jellyfish? Like, if there's something in your face, like you said, if someone stabs me, then you should kick his ass. Right? I don't know if you're being unchristian for that. I am always receptive and willing to pray and, and talk to anyone. Like, I saw this guy at this cafe bakery, it looks like he was having a bad day. I literally just like, hey, can I pray for you? And I just prayed for him. And that's something I, I need to have the courage to do more. I understand that and I wish God gave me that strength more and I pray for that. But there's also evil that just might need to get slapped in the face sometimes. I don't know. Because if we're just going to hope that Israel stops or do we need like, like in, in a proper society, if it was a civil society, all of these pedophiles will be permanently locked up if they're complicit, especially in leadership. And the only time they should talk to somebody is when they're exorcist. Honestly, like, that's kind of where I'm at. And it's not because I'm trying to be a hardliner. It's because there is a special place in hell for those who target the most innocent of us. I do believe that as well.

B (79:31)

Yeah. And they, and, and we have been targeted in, in a way. And in a way the society, not America itself, when we're talking about the government, but the people are they, like, we are innocent. We were innocent in a way. Like, we were innocent to the, these external, strange ideas that were imported here, these age old ideas that perverted this society. And now over the last, I don't even know, 70 years, we're seeing the fruit of that. I think my question, it's not even a question. Somebody said, yes, Christians are to judge, that's 100% correct. But in comedian terms, in comedy terms, we're, we're making fun of Timothy Alberino now every single day.

C (80:08)

Yes.

B (80:09)

There's a point now like today where I'm like, I, I felt it in me where I was like, fuck this guy. And I'm like, I don't like this guy now. And now I'm not going to talk, I'm not going to talk about him, you understand? Whereas before I was like, ah, this person deserves the ridicule. And I can do this in a way where my heart isn't hardened against them, but we can still push. And I mean, some of these things are mean, like what we're saying. But, like, in my heart, I know that I'm not, like, really angry now. I'm like, now, today, for some. Some reason, I'm just like, no. So now I'm not going to say anything. And it's the same thing with these guys. It's like, all right, so we're supposed to dole out this judgment, number one, who? The pedophiles that run the country. The guys that have the power to do it. The ones that are on the take from these guys. Okay, sure.

C (80:56)

The one that did with the Scimitar and they drank the blood from the chat.

B (80:59)

Those guys. Yeah, they're gonna do it. The rank and file, we've already kind of like, amassed ourselves, and we do have this. This bitterness in us, whether we want to admit it or not. Like, I. I could tell you right now, I can make some jokes about it. But then there's some days where I'm like, yo, man, this. Like, that's just a little too far. And now I'm a little offended. You know, how can I dole out justice if I myself am angry? And if we start that ball rolling, especially right now, like, the way the sentiments are, it's going to go too far, and it's not going to be just.

C (81:30)

That's for sure.

B (81:31)

And it's just going to be messy, and we're going to pay the price for that, which is why I'm like, hands off right now. I'm not going to have anything to do with that. I don't know how we get there where we can dole out righteous justice and simply, we don't want this anymore. We don't want this in our society.

D (81:48)

This is all.

B (81:48)

These are all reasonable things to ask. We're not there as a society to even do that. And honestly, we're not going to get there anytime soon because we're so mixed.

D (81:56)

Up in the game.

C (81:57)

Twitter is a microcosm of that Twitter.

B (81:59)

You see it first, right?

C (82:00)

Yeah, exactly. It's like we're just dealing with words. And it's like where some of us are saying, hey, we're not talking about the guy who owns the deli down the street. We're talking about the Epstein's of the world, the people that own these institutions and are, you know, spreading poison throughout society. And then, of course, there's always some segment of the population that goes, no, all of them.

B (82:19)

Yep.

C (82:19)

Even Christ. And you go, okay, so how the hell do you manage that?

D (82:24)

You.

B (82:24)

It's completely unmanageable.

D (82:27)

Okay, so. So, number one, I think you're right. But where do we go?

C (82:35)

That's why I came up with good answers.

D (82:37)

Like, there's always a sentiment like, this is why we need Jesus. We just need to surrender and. And go to him. Because there kind of isn't really any other solution, actually. Really. Which is why it's up. But we have to. We have to control what we can control. And, you know, we. We need to just remember that we're all children of God here and, you know, love our kids and protect them, especially during Passover. That's all. I mean, what else can we do? You know, it's like. It's like we should focus on what we can control. And. And I will say, I know this is incredibly unpopular, but we also need to not forget to abandon why we're fighting. We need to maintain our kindness. We need to maintain our grace. And it's hard because some of that is just so bleak, man. And sometimes I'll get deep into the rabbit hole and I just get, like, pissed off. Like, I just did a video about blood libel paintings, and now there's so many paintings of Christian babies. Like, babies who were skinned.

C (83:47)

Yeah.

D (83:47)

By Jews, and the blood was raised. Disgusting. You know, especially everyone knows Simon and Trent or. Or William of Norwich. But there was all these Christian men who discovered what was happening and they, like, went deep into it because they kept finding these bodies of babies when the sun rose, like, dismembered and like, what the is this? And finally, bunch of these Christian dads were like, all right, I thought we're done with the Crusades, but let's bring that energy. And just, like, looked for this, and they found all these weird trafficking circles. And there's so much.

B (84:22)

How could you not react with such, like.

D (84:24)

That's what I'm saying. I feel like. Feel like when there's evil facing you, you as a Christian also do need to step up. And this is where I give credit to the Orthodox Christians. And, like, I'm not necessarily a denomination. I. But I respect this about them, where they often depict. And I'm showing my art history background and my. My aesthetic tutelage a little bit. But Christ is often depicted with a sword, especially in the Orthodox canon, which is the oldest branch of Christianity. So this isn't like a new thing that they're doing. Christ is often depicted as a warrior with a sword as well. Because, you know, there's a time to step up. And when you see something so cardinal and dark, it could be an opportunity for you as a man to step up. Because as a Christian, if we believe there are things called sin, if we believe that the devil is real and actively pursuing us, if you tolerate everything, you don't believe in anything as a Christian. And that's something we have to understand that we need to be willing to look at these as opportunities to exercise our biblical atonement by enacting something as men. And I think that's, that's a part of it too, because we can be used. It may not always be sunshines and rainbows, but there is darkness afoot, gentlemen. Right?

C (85:41)

Yeah, yeah. I think that when you're, when it's in your own presence, you, you address evil. I think it's another thing to, to organize, mobilize, and go and pursue evil in the world. And I'm not saying that that's wrong. I'm just saying that gets a lot messier in the processions can go into there, for sure. Sure, yeah. But in the presence of evil, in front of your own face, before your own eyes, you, you stop it. But what is clear is, you know, the Bible tells us the nations are going to turn on Israel. So we're in no harm of that not coming to pass. Something will be addressed. The nations will turn on Israel. I think the question is, you know, and I think it's just one of those things where you have to lean on God and you have to see what God has in store for you. Because during that time, it's like, what are you doing? Whatever God's plan for you is, do.

B (86:31)

We trust the words of Jesus as well? Like, one of the words you said before was that we, we as men shouldn't be so meek. And I think that that's, I think that that's incorrect. You know, the Beatitudes, Jesus, Jesus specifically tells us, he said the meek shall inherit the earth. And meek doesn't necessarily mean that I'm cowering in a corner. It means that I have the ability to be extremely dangerous, but I choose not to. And I think that, that the characteristic of like having this self preserve. When Jesus is depicted with the sword, he's depicted with the sword because he is the judge. But when you think about him in the temple, when he's, when he's flipping the tables and he's like releasing the animals and all that, I think I, I mean, people have seen the Chosen series and he's There. And he's, he's got the whip and he's, he's flustered, he's angry. But I think in reality, when that happened, I don't think he was angry. I don't think you would describe him as, like, filled with rage. I think you describe him as filled with justice. They're saying, yo, don't do this. I'm flipping your table. This is God's house. But this is agitate.

D (87:35)

That correction. Yeah, you're right.

B (87:36)

You know what I'm saying? Now the question is, how do we get there? Because most of these people, if you can't get there with pagans, okay. White nationalist pagans, like, you have to be of a sound mindset and following Jesus Christ and really understanding that. And I think we're, like, pretty okay followers of Jesus Christ, and I still don't understand it. So now I'm going to ask these other people to do it. It's. It's rough, but, like, again, so something needs to be done for sure. And how, how do we get there? And it's got to be this measured justice. It has to be. This is what God always, like, doles out that exact equal punishment.

C (88:13)

Yeah, always to the T. Exactly what is due.

B (88:16)

We can't never do that. We're not God. So I'm like, damn, now we're gonna, like, do that. Like, like, we're, we're meaning to do that to God's people. Like, okay.

C (88:23)

I gotta say, though, how I'm glad that we're having this conversation because, yeah.

B (88:27)

It'S a powerful conversation.

C (88:28)

It's not one that you're gonna hear. I don't know what it's been like on, like, the spaces for you, Arthur. I've never done. I've done a few spaces and I'm like, this is a terrible format. It just doesn't work really well. And so, honestly, yeah, I couldn't. I couldn't stand it. But I would much rather see people and I hope that we're doing a good job of it. And I, and I hope that others would. Would do a better job than what we're doing. But it's like, I want to see people have this conversation with, with not fear of proclaiming these things, but restraint.

B (88:58)

That's like just one level to it. Isn't that hilarious? Like, just the one level to even address it. It's like you can't even get past that with most Christians.

C (89:05)

Right, Right. So good luck. The bar for entry is. You have to be not afraid to say it.

B (89:09)

And Then you got to say all the slurs.

C (89:10)

Yes. First you have to say. You got slurs.

B (89:12)

Yeah, you got to be based. Yeah, you got to be based. You got to. You got to be willing to say the thing, and then we can go, okay, great. Now let's have this conversation.

C (89:19)

That meekness, right. I think, goes even into dialogue, because if you. If the word is like a sword, then you can fly off the handle when you can say all the crazy and you can call for all the things that you've not thought through. Right. Like, I. Whenever people are like, oh, we need to get out, and. And. And, you know, do a regime, whatever the case is, it's like, you're a fat lesbian liberal with blue hair. You're incapable of the violence that is required to overthrow a regime like the Trump administration or whatever. And so you're talking out of your ass. And so at first, I need to see you unafraid to talk about it. Then I need to see you exercise restraint, because I don't want to see that where it's like, we need to mobilize. We need to do this. We need to get together and get in pickup trucks and get them out of the country. We're not going to do that. Nobody's going to do that. You're not going to do that. The vast majority.

D (90:07)

And that's just never going to work anyway. So all this talk is going to work. Yeah, it's. It's. There's. There is this weird predilection towards jumping, towards kinetic struggle, and, like, I want to avoid that. Honestly. Y' all can do that if you want, but I'm just letting you know. You're just gonna get arrested.

C (90:24)

Yes, you're just gonna get arrested or you're gonna get shot in the streets. You know, I'm not one of those people that's like, you can't stand up against, you know, the. The National Guard or whatever militarized police force there is. Like, I do think that the numbers you have, but it's like, you're not built for that. You're not built for that. I. You're a martial artist. I've been a martial artist for a long time.

D (90:42)

I.

C (90:43)

One of the things that it taught me was that you don't really want to partake in unmitigated violence, you know, because even when you're winning, it's a horrifying thing to see what you've done to the other person. There's a look in your eyes that. That I've. I've seen a bunch of times. And it's the look of like, don't hurt me anymore. When the other person succumbs and they're no longer like the, the normal, upright, charismatic person. They just were. And they're like, don't hurt me anymore. There's something that is horrifying and, and I don't.

D (91:13)

You don't like that feeling. You don't want to become this diabolical creature. I, I. You remind me of when I was in college. This, this drunk guy, he just, he thought he must have got me confused with another Asian guy because we all look alike, but he thought I was talking to his girl. And I literally didn't, I literally didn't even know what he was talking about. It must have been some other Asian dude. That's when I have my hair shorter and he comes up to me when I'm leaving to go to my car and he's just like, trying to scuffle me. I did this one oshigari on him because he grabbed me and he caught me to a car, right? He pushed me. He's a bigger, He's a big guy. So I did, I did this inner sweep on him. And he doesn't know how to fall. He fell so hard. And he's drunk, and I was tipsy, too, but he smashes the back of his head really hard. And he looks at me with this look of like, technically, right there, I could smash his face with elbows. But I'm like, I don't want to be that guy. Like, you know, like, it's like, it's very, I'm putting.

C (92:12)

Yeah, I don't want to learn to, like, that feeling where, like, somebody wants you to stop and you keep going and then you, you derive, like, value from that. Like, you kept going and it feels good. That's a, that's a slippery slope to be.

D (92:24)

But, but somebody telling the world you're afraid, you know. Yeah.

C (92:27)

And that you're a monster. But, but Neff Hunter in the chat said, your eyes and ears are going to bleed and you're going to your pants. That is going to happen if you go against the military industrial complex and they blap you up with some sort of sound frequency technology and you, your pants and bleed from your eyes. But like, this conversation that we're trying to have, I, I want to see more people have it. I want to see more people not whipped up in the. I guess what I'm trying to say is the emotion of it, because just like you're saying Where Jesus is like, I'm flipping these tables because it's doing what needs to be done. Or what you're saying, Arthur, about, like, take no joy in hanging the millstone off this pedophile's neck. This is a thing that needs to be done. Abstain from the emotion. And it's hard to do because the conversation's been suppressed for so long and that pressure valve is cracked open and everybody's freaking out. We got to a place now where this conversation has been had an emotional level. It needs to be had at just a logistical level. And we just start exploring the reality of, like, look at history. What has history shown us when. When a people group comes in and maybe gets thrown out of a country 109 times or 110 times, what happens to the people who. Who, you know, execute what they perceive as justice? What happens to the people group that hasn't happened to them? What does the Bible say about this people group? What is your real purpose? Is it to rectify what's wrong with the world? And maybe there's something to that. Maybe that's, you know, something that's actually a good goal. But then again, we are called to be in the world and not of it. So how do we weigh those things? Not a lot of people are having these conversations in this kind of a way. And I think what we're showing here, Arthur, is that it's hard. It's really hard.

D (94:08)

This is deep, and it's much easier to consume. Superficial shallowness. And what you're saying, this is more than anything necessary today, right? I think it's necessary and it is hard. And I feel like, you know, there is this huge dissonance that we all, if we're honest enough, we see saliently, which is this contrast of public and private, right? And in the public Persona, we've become little demons. You know, we're all becoming these hypo demons. Like, and I'll tell you right now, anybody who follows my Twitter, I will basically dial up what I'm saying in a more nefarious manner because of Twitter. But in actual life, I don't. I don't. I don't even get annoyed in traffic, man. You know what I mean? Like, that's. That's the moxie about it, but that's just the nature of the beast. But I would say, yeah, I mean, like, I don't want to sound like Jordan Peterson, clean your room. But the truth of that sentiment, the only reason why he was so moving is because it's best to first get our house in order before we tell everyone how to act. You know, it's like, you know why. You know, it's about that you have something in your eye, and you're talking about something in another person's eye. Right? It's a. Yeah. That's the sentiment that. That really reflects to me. That's why I stepped away from the Internet, not just social media, for, like, three months, just unplugged. I was out in the mountains, bro, you know, just. Just to un. You know, like, unplug and ground and get rooted. And I just felt steady, and I feel like that's what's lacking today. It's all about perturbing people. And there's no singular answer to this, but I guess there is to follow God, right? Yeah, just follow God.

C (95:51)

Well, first and foremost, remove the plank from your own eye. Right?

D (95:55)

Exactly.

C (95:55)

Like Owen Benjamin says, K the J in your own heart. Pick up your cross, follow.

D (96:00)

That's awesome, by the way.

C (96:01)

Your own room.

D (96:02)

Yeah, yeah.

C (96:02)

It is a great. It's a great expression, but. But that's it. The only things that you could do. It's like the same thing. What do we do about the evil? I don't know. What do you do about the evil that's directly in front of you before your eyes, within arm's reach? You extinguish that. What do you do with evil that's taking place on the world stage? That's a hard question to answer, but.

D (96:22)

That starts in the mirror, and that's something that I share to myself. I'm speaking to myself when I say that, too. You know, that's just.

C (96:28)

Yeah.

D (96:29)

That is the folly of what it is to be a man. We're born with sin, and we have to. We need to humble ourselves in that regard.

C (96:38)

Well, look, Arthur, I think that's a.

B (96:40)

We got a lot going on in the world, right? Yeah.

C (96:45)

It'S a wild time, but the.

B (96:47)

Best time to be alive. Would you want to be alive when, like, was calm in the 90s? Like, what you'd be. I mean, what would be the point of you.

D (96:53)

You.

B (96:53)

You would. To make artwork that's controversial in a time where, like, nobody cares or say something that really matters. In a time where everyone's like, yeah, whatever, dude.

C (97:02)

Yeah, we still know we got, like.

B (97:03)

50 years on MTV. Have you seen TRL? Like, nobody gives a. Like, nah, man.

D (97:07)

And it was so controlled, so they. They didn't have independent media like Nephilim Death Squad and all this. So, you know, actually kind of think about It. They might have been better off.

B (97:17)

Yeah, I do.

D (97:19)

They don't need my too.

C (97:20)

What's that dude's name?

B (97:22)

Carson.

C (97:22)

Dale Carson Daly, baby.

B (97:24)

He's in Epstein Fox.

D (97:26)

I'm pretty sure.

C (97:27)

I was actually looking it up.

D (97:29)

Marshall Mathers is a lot of wild.

C (97:32)

Yeah. Marilyn Manson's in here. Marshall Math is in here. What are you gonna do? But look, man, I. I hope that. I hope that people hear this and they're inspired to have more honest, thoughtful conversations that are grounded in reality, but. But more specifically grounded in Christ.

B (97:47)

And I hope people that listen to this conversation because, like, amen. We're doing a thing where, like. Like, as we're talking, Arthur's the homie, so we're like, we're saying wild to you. You're saying some wild back. And we know what it is.

D (97:57)

Refreshing.

B (97:57)

I just hope that there. If there's like, a person out there, like, by the time they get to this year.

C (98:01)

Right.

B (98:02)

That has endured is really, like, endured the full conversation really goes and tries to hear what we said rather than the way we said it or the provocative manner in which we're, like, presenting these things. But we're bringing to you that's on our heart for a long time.

C (98:19)

Yeah.

B (98:19)

And we're. I think, as human beings, we're doing our best here to, like, grasp at straws and try to figure something out. Like, I'm not trying to break things down. I don't want to see things get worse. We want to see things get better, and we don't know exactly how to do it. So in this conversation, like, this is always what it's about. And hopefully people could, like, bear with him really, really try to understand, like, where someone like Arthur is coming from. Someone like me is coming from someone like David is like, what I'm trying to convey to you.

C (98:46)

That's. Yeah.

B (98:46)

That's the most that I could ask for you guys to do.

C (98:48)

Yeah. And I think that if God could, you know, it probably is. Can see it. All right. I think he's happier with the conversation. I don't think we're not meant to wrestle with these things, but I think we're meant to wrestle with them. We're not meant to take an explosive, fantastic position on something that's so big and so important. Something we can't. We can't look at it reductively. We can't reduce it to its simplest forms and say, let's go and kick them all. It's just something goofy. Even though there's no idea of how to execute that plan, what that really means, the ramifications of it. I think God is probably happier when he sees us actually giving a. And wrestling with something that's. That's this important. It is important. And it. And it is not easily answered. And it's. But it does. It does require a. A hard looking at.

D (99:38)

Yeah. Yeah. I mean. I mean, we need to remember that we're all children of God, and we need to surrender, and he's always there for us. We're just not chasing him, although he's chasing us. And we just need to remember that the best we can do is at least be honest in our journey. And that's pretty much all I encourage, brother. So I appreciate this conversation, gentlemen, and hopefully we'll do it in person soon. That'd be cool.

C (100:04)

Yeah, dude, I would. I would love that. That would be awesome.

B (100:07)

Yeah.

C (100:07)

We got to get you down to the studio.

B (100:08)

We have to get some Arthur Quan Lee art in.

C (100:10)

Yeah, that's right. I started that.

D (100:12)

Did you guys see this painting I made? Check out this painting.

B (100:16)

I was looking at it, and I was. I was just wishing that my. My wall.

D (100:20)

If.

B (100:20)

If this wallpaper was that painting, I'll.

D (100:22)

Be like, that was.

C (100:22)

How dope is that?

B (100:24)

I love the detail.

D (100:25)

Technically, it's not done, but it's.

C (100:27)

It's.

D (100:27)

I was like, I still want to put it as my backdrop. Right. It just.

C (100:31)

That is killer. How long did that take?

B (100:35)

Wow.

D (100:36)

Yeah.

C (100:36)

How long did that take, Arthur?

D (100:38)

Oh, man. You know, there's certain styles that are a lot more simplistic, and I'm not tooting my own horn, but this is very assiduous effort. My. My approach, it takes like this. This was a couple months, bro. You know, I'm saying, like, my style takes a while. That's a problem.

B (100:59)

It looks like. So you have this underlayment on the. On the bottom left side. I'm trying to figure out how you do this.

D (101:05)

Like, the.

B (101:05)

The bottom left there looks like these patterns that you. You put these interesting color patterns, and then it seems like, as it dries, you're going back the next day. And then, like, that. That horse is overlaid. That's, like, the one of the last things you did, right?

D (101:19)

Yeah. So. So. So in my style, what I like to do, talking art here, but, you know, I could just paint the image, but I want my work to kind of come out the canvas a little bit, so it's like a little structural. So when you get up close, you. You see, like, the dimensionality. It's almost Like, a little bit of a relief. And I. I wanted to. So, like, a weird description is that I wanted. So that if a person hangs up my painting when the window. The sunlight from the window hits it, they can actually see shadows from the ridges. Yeah, because I want it to be so structural and so strong and visceral. It's a distillation of what they symbolically care about. And I'm. I'm basically dedicating all my tutelage towards it. Well, I want it to have a vibration to it, you know what I'm saying? So that's. That's. This is what I love to do, man. I just need God to give me more, more. More commissions.

C (102:13)

I hear that.

B (102:14)

Well, everything's vibrating.

C (102:15)

Where can people support you, Arthur?

D (102:18)

So you can go to arthurqualy.com to see sample of my art. It doesn't have all merit, obviously. Art websites are more like. Like a business card. So you can contact me and you can click collect if you want to have a. A consultation call for my art. You can also get some merch on YouTube. It's @Arthur Kwan Lee. Instagram is. Hi, this is Arthur. Twitter is at Bad Azn. B, A D, A Z, N. And that's it. Boom.

B (102:44)

We gotta. I gotta follow up. There we go. I'll follow you on. On Instagram. I didn't know. I didn't know where you were at, man.

D (102:50)

I'm always creating new things, man. I just don't. I'm just not allowed to exist.

B (102:57)

Don't speak like. Don't see you. You just spoke about vibration. Don't say that.

C (103:01)

Don't come into agreement with that. Yeah, that's not. Yeah, that's not true.

B (103:05)

You could think it, but tell the. Tell that. Tell that thought to get into the back of your head and we'll see, you know, see what happened. Let God. Let God work.

C (103:11)

Well, honestly, maybe we should figure out how to get Arthur to Bohemian Grove and bring. I don't know how. How for him, but to get one of his pieces down here and. And see that in person would be really awesome. But listen, Arthur, thank you for the time, man. This is a great conversation and an important one. I hope somebody takes away something from this because.

D (103:33)

God bless you, gentlemen. We'll talk soon.

C (103:35)

God bless you, brother.

B (103:36)

You too, man. And guys, don't forget to obey, submit and comply. We'll see you next time. It again. The end is written in the book in the pages they foresee.

D (104:02)

Desperate.

C (104:21)

When the last trumpet sound in the heaven.