Biochar, Frequency & Spiritual Health w/ Christopher Gardner

Summary

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Nephilim Death Squad Biblical Conspiracy

Episode: Biochar, Frequency & Spiritual Health w/ Christopher Gardner

Date: February 23, 2026

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Overview

In this episode, hosts Top Lobsta and David Lee Corbo (aka "the Raven") dive deep into the intersections of environmental health, frequency, grounding, biblical truth, and societal conspiracy—with special guest Christopher "Topher" Gardner of @Biocharisma. The lively, unscripted conversation moves seamlessly from practical tips for spiritual and biological well-being to withering critiques of generational culture, technological control, trauma-based mind control, and the looming effects of mass disclosure events (e.g., the Epstein files). The hosts weave in biblical principles and examine the metaphysical underpinnings driving modern society's psychospiritual plight.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Who is Christopher Gardner? Biocharisma & Black Gold Biochar

[03:53–04:33]

• Chris Gardner introduces himself as “@Biocharisma” across social media.
• Runs Black Gold Biochar, a biochar product line for soil enrichment, EMF blocking, and more.
• Has experience with biochar solutions for EMF-sensitive individuals (used in buildings, paint, cement to block radiation).

“Part of the reason why I got into biochar was because I had clients that were very EMF sensitive… we would put it right into the cement and concrete of our buildings.” – Topher [04:48]

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2. EMF, Grounding, and Frequency Health

[04:33–11:49]

• Explains how biochar blocks EMF in a way that preserves Earth's “magnetic lines of force” (telluric current), which a Faraday cage can block to negative effect.
• Stresses importance of physical grounding—bare feet on earth for at least 20 minutes/day—to neutralize excess positive ionization from environmental EMF.
• Shoe culture, especially narrow and insulated (rubber, wedge) footwear, disrupts both physical and energetic health.

“We have this relationship where our bodies are like the bridge between heaven and earth… When you ground on real Earth, those positive ions get distributed to the ground.” – Topher [06:13]

“When you're not grounded, you get stupid… you start to value things that are not valuable—the things of mammon.” – Topher [10:31]

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3. Generational and Geographic Ungroundedness

[11:49–13:34]

• Discusses how urban environments (e.g., NYC) lack physical ground/contact, the psychological/spiritual inversion observable in urban priorities.
• Story about using time in Central Park to re-ground after time in the city.
• Suggests the “ungrounded” phenomenon leads to inverted and confused priorities—warns that technological society physically and metaphysically separates us from the earth.

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4. Smell, Memory, and Trauma

[13:34–17:00]

• The panel dives into the power of olfactory senses: how scent ties deeply to memory (including controversial and humorous examples).
• Uncomfortable but fascinating examples tie scent association to trauma and family structure.
• Topher explains that a deep trauma cycle is often at play when parental boundaries are blurred in subtle and overt ways.

“We’re actually made to reject our parents’ pheromone. So when you’re not… that means that there is some sort of trauma cycle that linked you to [them].” – Topher [16:54]

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5. Attribution, Spontaneity, & "Living Men"

[21:05–23:53]

• Conversation about originality, “stealing” ideas/memes in the culture wars, and how spiritual orientation toward truth allows endless insight (Owen Benjamin as an example).
• God, not ego, is the source of revelation. Spontaneity and living in truth take priority over attribution.

“Your highest pinnacle of focus is truth… You’re not worried about attribution because God’s the provider.” – Topher [21:59]

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6. Infantilization, Media, and Emotional Manipulation

[28:41–33:20]

• Gardner references John Taylor Gatto—the Prussian schooling system programmatically infantilizes and entrains Western minds.
• Media algorithms are designed to elicit emotional responses, keeping the public in a reactionary state.
• Viral social and media content delivers "shortcuts" to knowledge—but fail to initiate true wisdom or context.

“Adult adolescents. To make us always have an emotional trigger to everything… once you make somebody emotional, they can't actually access their prefrontal cortex.” – Topher [29:00]

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7. Shortcuts to Wisdom & The Coming Disclosure Trauma

[30:59–39:37]

• The panel questions if mass, context-free disclosure (e.g., Epstein files) is beneficial or traumatic.
• Suggest that mainstream disclosure will overwhelm the "uninitiated"; shortcut knowledge skips the necessary struggle producing real wisdom.
• Discussion about considering a “man on the street” show to interview public about the Epstein files, but hosts express moral concerns about "breaking" normies.

“You do these, like, these things where these Epstein drops and whatever. A lot of people are gonna have a literal traumatic [reaction]… like PTSD.” – Topher [34:08]

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8. Boomer Guilt, Generational Wealth, and Spiritual Consequences

[39:46–44:14]

• Candid critique of the “boomer” generation: their immense portion of wealth, self-centeredness, and societal priorities.
• Consequences of generational choices are coming home to roost; potential for a psychological—and literal—die-off as old paradigms collapse.

“Their frameworks have been… conditioned to externalize authority. Their whole modeling is, there’s somebody outside of me that tells me what is true… For them to give that up would be like telling one of us to give up God.” – Topher [33:20]

“There is a blockage… maybe between their feet and the rest of the earth, there’s a blockage in understanding.” – Co-host [13:03]

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9. American Family Decline, Feminism, and Social Engineering

[43:44–49:05]

• Explains how American and Western European social engineering (especially 2nd Wave Feminism) systematically atomized the family, normalized narcissism, and encouraged generational isolation.
• Contrasts with Hispanic, Central American, and other cultures where family remains central.

“When I look at what my parents were exposed to and all their models… were really teaching them to be as self-centered as possible.” – Topher [45:20]

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10. Materialism, Wisdom, True Value

[48:13–49:17, 49:41]

• Stories about the emptiness of material achievement.
• Real value is not found in possessions or accolades, but in family, the pursuit of truth, and building lasting, meaningful relationships.

“You can’t purchase that innate value of the family—of what matters in life.” – Co-host [49:05]

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11. Oncoming Economic & Spiritual Collapse, Red Herrings, and Biometrics

[55:33–65:37]

• Discusses the possibility that mass disclosures (Epstein files) and economic collapse (devaluing boomer wealth) are engineered “red herrings” to both kill off and demoralize the West.
• Prophesies a currency switchover to biometric/AI-tracked, surveillance-based economies.
• The “fog” of EMF/tech saturation is both literal and metaphorical: it’s a tool for control, consent, and commodification of human beings.

“They're using it to kill off the boomer… so many people aren't going to admit it in public, but internally… their consciousness is going to know… their guilt and then the shame and then the death.” – Topher [38:21]

“Our biometrics are the new security system. And… The new sign of nature is your biometrics… That’s the new sign of nature—but what that does is that takes your will out of it.” – Topher [67:33]

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12. The Commodity of Human Will

[67:33–70:11]

• Detailed exploration of how the market is moving toward commodifying people—segregated by biometric data, tracked, and sold as derivatives, like mortgage-backed securities.
• This removes personal will, an essential spiritual protection.

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13. AI, The Predictability Model, and the Living Man

[68:21–69:31]

• As AI models a digital “you,” spiraling into total surveillance, only those led by the Holy Spirit—open to spontaneity and true creativity—will be unpredictable and therefore ungovernable by this system.

“You need to really try and tune yourself in—what does God want? …you need to really listen to that thing that compels you at any given moment.” – David [69:09]

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14. Consent, Generational Agreements & The US Experiment

[85:26–93:28]

• Lively debate about spiritual legalism: how entities require your (often unwitting) consent for spiritual invasion.
• Discusses the diaspora and dispersal of American families, divergence from tight-knit family systems, and the generational consequences of secrets, cheating, and social engineering.
• Feminism is cited again as a tool that weaponized family dissolution and reinforced atomization.
• Most people don't know even two generations back in their own family history—by design.

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15. Epstein, Social Programs & Spiritual Lineages

[94:53–96:37]

• (Candid) criticism of welfare state incentives, their effects on social structure, and the “boomers” complicity. Discussion of wealth transfer, missing fathers, and the programming embedded in popular culture and education.

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16. Education, Hidden Histories & Childhood Programming

[97:56–100:34]

• All reflect on how “gifted & talented” programs and special tracks in school often function as grooming or social engineering for select children; many of the speakers’ own friends or associates have similar experiences.

“For all the positive people that turned out from the programs, like you two, how many of the kids did he know that he affected in a negative way?” – Topher [100:17]

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17. The Drug Addict Archetype & "Not of This World"

[102:33–103:10]

• Many truly spiritual or “real” people are drug addicts, because nothing on earth lines up with what they feel inside. Drugs serve as a way to buffer existential anxiety in a system "not of God."

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18. Change of the Ages, Ritual Magick and the “Veil”

[103:20–104:31]

• Societal/planetary shifts always result in generational die-offs and ritual “veil shifting.”
• Georgia Guidestones, their destruction and the blood ritual, CERN’s public rituals—all symptoms of these transitions and normalization of old mysteries.

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19. Disclosure, Trauma, & Mind Control

[127:11–128:27]

• Explores the overlap of alien abduction accounts, trauma-based mind control, and the phenomenon of strategic amnesia—trauma so severe that the victim’s brain “hides” the events, whether instigated by black-ops or metaphysical entities.

“The more brutal it is, the less likely they're going to remember, because the more brutal it is, the more they disassociate.” – Topher [127:23]

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20. Elementals Gathering (May 8–10, Missouri)

[105:05–109:02]

• Chris Gardner describes his upcoming Elementals Gathering: a spiritually oriented event focused on biomimicry, natural law, and implementation of wisdom rather than purely theoretical knowledge.
• Keynotes include Eileen McKusick, Dr. Andrew Kaufman, Alex Zech, Emily Moyer, and more.
• Emphasis on “doing over theorizing” and real-life action/wisdom.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Grounding & Modernity:
  “When you’re not grounded, you get stupid… you start to value things that are actually not valuable—the things of mammon.” – Topher [10:31]
• Attribution, Meme Stealing, and the Living Man:
  “Your highest pinnacle of focus is truth… You’re not worried about attribution because God’s the provider.” – Topher [21:59]
• On Parental Authority and Boomers:
  “Their whole modeling is, there’s somebody outside of me that tells me what is true… For them to give that up would be like telling one of us to give up God.” – Topher [33:20]
• On Trauma, Society, and Generational Guilt:
  “They're using it to kill off the boomer… their consciousness is going to know, ‘Oh.’… guilt and then the shame and then the death.” – Topher [38:21]
• On Tech, Red Herrings, and Surveillance:
  “The new sign of nature is your biometrics… That’s the new sign of nature—but what that does is that takes your will out of it.” – Topher [67:33]
• Spiritual Preparedness for Predictive AI:
  “You need to really try and tune yourself in—what does God want? …you need to really listen to that thing that compels you at any given moment.” – David [69:09]
• On Wisdom, Doing vs. Knowing:
  “All knowledge is learned ignorance until it becomes wisdom. …Where you start to transcend all this stuff and have a much better feel in life—you take the information and actually use it; that’s when wisdom comes.” – Topher [110:08]
• Alien Phenomenon, Trauma & Fear:
  “I do think there is a supernatural thing that uses us like a battery… takes certain traumas and then funnel[s] them in a way that’s advantageous to it.” – Topher [117:50]

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Episode Structure & Timestamps

| Timestamp | Topic / Segment | |-----------|-----------------------------------------------------------| | 03:53 | Intro to Chris Gardner, Biochar, and Black Gold Biochar | | 04:33 | Biochar, EMF, Client Stories, Grounding Physiology | | 11:49 | Urban vs. Rural Grounding, NYC, Cultural Inversion | | 13:34 | Smell, Memory, Trauma, Family Imprinting | | 21:05 | Attribution, Meme Stealing, Spontaneity | | 28:41 | Prussian Education, Infantilization, Reactionary Media | | 33:20 | Boomer Generation, Authority, Guilt, Entrained Obedience | | 39:46 | Wealth, Cultural Guilt, “Killing Boomers” | | 43:44 | Family Decline, Feminism, Western Atomization | | 49:41 | Wisdom vs. Materialism, Value of Family and Truth | | 55:33 | Disclosure Trauma, Economic Collapse, Red Herrings | | 67:33 | Biometric Consent, Commodification, Tech Control | | 69:09 | Tuning to the Spirit to Escape Predictability | | 85:26 | Legalism, Spiritual Consent, Family Diaspora | | 94:53 | Social Programs, Welfare, Community Engineering | | 97:56 | Education, Grooming, Hidden Programming | | 102:33 | The Drug Addict Archetype, Spiritual Outsiders | | 105:05 | Elementals Gathering Announcement | | 109:30 | Action over Theory, Applications of Wisdom | | 117:50 | Alien Phenomenon, Trauma, Batteries, Fear | | 127:11 | Disclosure, Trauma, Memory Suppression | | 134:27 | Closing: Plugs, Upcoming Events, Final Thoughts |

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Tone & Language

The episode oscillates between playful candid banter, raw critique, and sobering spiritual analysis. The hosts and guest are irreverent yet deeply engaged; their humor is dark, their language unfiltered, but their intent sincere—a spirited, at times raucous, attempt to grapple with truth, meaning, and survival in a world they see as under spiritual siege.

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For Listeners Unfamiliar with the Show

Even without prior familiarity with the podcast or the subject, this episode provides a sweeping, practical, and philosophical guide to understanding why grounding—spiritually, physically, informationally—is necessary to navigate both the visible and hidden aspects of modern life. With humor and urgency, the conversation encourages skepticism of all “official narratives," emphasizes the pursuit of embodied wisdom over passive knowledge, and invites action grounded in spiritual truth.

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Further Engagement:

• Blackwell Biochar (Chris Gardner’s project)
• Elementals Gathering: May 8–10, 2026, Missouri
• Hosts’ socials and links embedded in YouTube/Podcast description

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Transcript

[Topher]

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[David Lee Corbo]

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[Co-host]

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[Topher]

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[David Lee Corbo]

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[Co-host]

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[David Lee Corbo]

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[Co-host]

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[Topher]

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[Co-host]

the ancient one they never went away.

[Topher]

They're still here today.

[David Lee Corbo]

When the last trumpet sounds and the heavens crack. Despot. Despot. Despot. Death spot. Welcome Blap ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad. I am David Lee Corbo, AKA the Raven, that is Top Lobster, the father of disinformation. We are guaming at you live from the standard coffee shop slash casino, slash NBS Studios fabrication shop.

[Co-host]

You know where we're at.

[David Lee Corbo]

Before we get into today's guest, a little reminder. Patreon.com forward/nephilim death Squad. That's where you want to go if you want to support us, and I know you want to support us, if you want to give us your money, then that's where you should do that. Early access to episodes, unedited versions, early lives on tickets to Bohemian Grove and discount codes off of merchandise from Toplops.com

[Co-host]

I'm doing my best here.

[David Lee Corbo]

I know. I'm waiting.

[Co-host]

That's all right. We're gonna go to collections.

[David Lee Corbo]

You're gonna see it.

[Co-host]

We blew it. We dropped the ball.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's all right.

[Co-host]

Our guest was sitting here watching us today. I'm like.

[David Lee Corbo]

He's like, look at how professional they are right now. He's like, he's fucking rookies.

[Co-host]

Everything's under control.

[David Lee Corbo]

What are you trying to show them?

[Topher]

Collections.

[Co-host]

Say something from toplobster.com discount codes off of merchandise. That's right.

[David Lee Corbo]

Go buy a shirt, Grandma Maxing Dan Bongino's big fat noggin. Dude, somebody got mad at you on Twitter for. For disparaging Dan Bongino because how dare you. Patriots are trying their hardest.

[Co-host]

Yes.

[David Lee Corbo]

To save us. And. And you're. And you think this is a joke.

[Co-host]

Listen, David. Yeah, I've had enough of this.

[David Lee Corbo]

All right, fine. We have a great guest today joining us today. IRL in. In the studio. Very happy to have Chris Gardner before we get into, I. I don't know, this discussion, which we were talking about a few things before the show started. I'm eager to get into them. Let's talk about where they can find you and what you do.

[Topher]

Oh, okay. Well, I have at Biocharisma on, like, all the social media stuff. That's where my podcast is. That's where I do pretty much everything on Instagram is at. Through app Biocharisma. And then my actual website, my construction website is the Topher hq.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, that was beautiful. Look at that.

[Topher]

Yeah, that's, you know, mainly my buildings in Costa Rica, in Missouri. That's one of my companies. And then my newest venture is Black Gold Biochar. And I say newest venture, just. We started selling product. It's something I've been into for 15 years. And Blackwell Biochar is like the. The new offering to the public.

[David Lee Corbo]

This is something that people can use in their home gardens.

[Topher]

Yes. In their home gardens and their health of their body. It's. It's so many different things. We can even put it in paint and concrete. Really? Yeah. To block emfs.

[David Lee Corbo]

No. Really?

[Topher]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Co-host]

That's incredible, dude.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Topher]

Part of the reason why I got into biochar was because I had clients that were very EMF sensitive. Like, they couldn't deal with any type of millimeter wave microwave radiation. And so we would put it right into the cement and concrete of our buildings.

[David Lee Corbo]

And they were there. They were having success with that because I know there is something. There's a disorder where you can't be near that sort of thing at all. I was watching something back in the day almost akin to, like, my strange addiction, but it was like, you know, strange ailments or Whatever. And then this woman couldn't be near electrical outlets and things like that. Anything that was going to put off an emf, these people that, that are using this, they're finding success with, with.

[Topher]

Yeah, we can have a hundred percent block.

[David Lee Corbo]

Really?

[Topher]

Wow. Yeah. And it's much more healthy for you than like a Faraday cage, because there are people that, like, when they build, because of the EMS sensitivity they'll create, they'll, they thought, oh, I'll just do a Faraday cage. But then that blocks what's known as the magnetic lines of force, the telluric current, and that actually helps us live.

[David Lee Corbo]

This is something that you would, like, experience when you're grounding.

[Topher]

Are you like kicking your shoes off when you're grounding? It essentially diffuses all the positive ionization in your body. So like we're, we're meant to be like, you know, neutral to net negative.

[David Lee Corbo]

Okay.

[Topher]

But when we're around all this emf, we end up taking on positive ionization. So when you ground, like when you ground on real Earth, those positive ions get distributed to the ground.

[David Lee Corbo]

Okay.

[Topher]

And so that's why it's so healthy.

[David Lee Corbo]

You become part of a system.

[Topher]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. We, we have a syntropic is the best way to say it. We have this relationship where our bodies are like the, the bridge between heaven and Earth.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's fascinating.

[Topher]

And so we will take on whatever is just above ground. And so when we're around tons and tons of electronics or we drive in car, anything metal, where you're going over, you know, horizontal over the earth, you end up gaining ionization. So getting on the, getting on the ground where you can actually get your feet to touch the, you know, any type of real Earth for 20 plus minutes a day is like one of the best things for you.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's something that I, I've been meaning to do. My, my wife, like, her foot is messed up and I think it's because women's shoes are really narrow and constricting.

[Topher]

Terrible.

[David Lee Corbo]

And, and you know, the weather's not been so great lately. Although we're coming out of it here in Florida and, and I'm like, we gotta get.

[Co-host]

You're coming out of it. Speaking of it, you look a lot better.

[David Lee Corbo]

I was a little bit under the weather. I don't know what the heck was going on there. I was getting my ass kicked for a minute, but it was only a couple of days. I was right when I said I was coming out of it. You never say that you are sick. Say you're coming out of it.

[Co-host]

Get off of me.

[David Lee Corbo]

Get off of me.

[Topher]

That's right.

[David Lee Corbo]

But I've been saying, like, you got to get back out in bare feet. You know what I mean? Even if it's for, like you said, like, 20 minutes a day just to exercise those muscles. I was looking at a picture of somebody's feet who went from, you know, they had. I don't know what it's called when your pinky toe starts to, like, fold over.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Topher]

Geisha girl. Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Topher]

Girl feet.

[David Lee Corbo]

They bind their feet.

[Topher]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

In a crazy. That's a great example of it.

[Co-host]

I remember seeing those pictures. Like, they're like.

[Topher]

I had it when I played football because I have very wide feet. And one of the years, my coach got a contract with Reebok, and Reebok made these super narrow shoes.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Topher]

And so as a kicker, I couldn't wear the size, the length that I needed to get the width, because if I did that, I'd be putting divots in the ground.

[Co-host]

Right.

[Topher]

So I, I. I essentially had bound feet.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Topher]

And I had bloody feet for two years because I had to wear such small cleats for me to be able to do my job.

[David Lee Corbo]

I. I had a very similar thing

[Co-host]

that happened to me in college. Adidas.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

Adidas apparently has very. A very narrow foot there.

[Topher]

Yeah. It's horrible.

[Co-host]

I wear, like, a nine, so I had to wear, like, a nine and a half or a ten. And it's just not good, like, for pitching. Like, I'm like, yeah. My. My shoes are.

[Topher]

You feel like you have dumbo shoes.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. Cause when you're pitching, you're supposed to roll onto the ball of your foot. Right.

[Co-host]

Well, I mean, like, there's a natural drag with your back foot.

[Topher]

Exactly.

[Co-host]

And like, that shoe was done.

[Topher]

I would have that dragging, kicking. Because in kicking, I'm rotating through the mass. Like, my foot's turned over.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Topher]

So if I have an extra inch. Inch and a half on the shoe, I'm. I'm creating this massive divot.

[Co-host]

I haven't really wore a pair of cleats that is comfortable. I don't think they make.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's. Well, the shoe industry has screwed up our feet in a tremendous way. I mean, not only in that narrow way, but I know that there's a whole documentary about Nike and the wedge.

[Topher]

Yes.

[David Lee Corbo]

You know. On your heel and how it. It causes you to strike heel first when you run, which is not. You're supposed to run in the balls of your feet. Yeah. Which I know. I tend to Do. If I'm, if I'm jogging, I'll strike with my heel. If I'm sprinting, I'll go onto the balls of my feet. But they're also, you know, you know, the, the. So not only is it screwing up your gate, but they're also, they also have the narrow thing. And then when you think about connecting to the earth, there is this, this resonance is frequency that's coming off of it. And you're insulating the bottom of your feet with rubber.

[Topher]

It's stupid.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's a crazy move to do. I mean, if you just think about that energetic exchange you were talking about a moment ago being part of a system that rubber on the bottom just cancels it out. Yeah, right. I mean that's, that's what it would do. It's an insulator. So any kind of conduction is gone.

[Topher]

Yeah. The best hiking I've ever done is like with those Vibram five finger shoes. Like a glove for your.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

You've used those?

[Topher]

Oh God, yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Topher]

Oh man, I've. I've done 14ers with that.

[David Lee Corbo]

No way.

[Topher]

Really? Yeah. No blisters, no nothing.

[David Lee Corbo]

Man, they just look so stupid.

[Topher]

They do look stupid. Like my, my mother in law, before she was my mother in law, she saw me wearing them and I almost didn't, you know, I was almost ousted because she's one of those women that loves the stilettos. Yeah, of course, of course.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Topher]

I had a good friend of mine tell me he's like, you know, he was giving me the, the markers for what type of woman to date and he goes, if you see her wearing really uncomfortable shoes, she's going to be dangerous.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.

[Topher]

It's so true.

[David Lee Corbo]

You know, there's, it's a double edged blade. It's like you get something nice to

[Topher]

look at because they're not grounded. It's going back to that not grounded thing. So when you're not grounded, you get stupid. Like, I'm not, I'm not kidding you, you start to value things that are actually not valuable things. The things of mammon.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Topher]

But when you're, when you're grounded, those types of things don't make, they don't make sense to you.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's a fascinating. I like you have a lot of property, so it's like that's a good place to be walking around.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

When I lived in Port Richard, you couldn't because there was sand spurs everywhere and they, those things will screw you up. But you have a nice Bit of property. If I were, I'd be walking around naked footed all the time.

[Co-host]

It's actually fascinating because in New York City you can go around and just about everybody doesn't make sense.

[Topher]

Like there it was inverted when I was there. I went there in like 2004. Oddly enough. I had a client that was a. She made dresses. And so during model week or whatever, like fashion week, she invited me up and I was there with her, with her boyfriend. And like we were like within 12, 14 hours, my feet started to curl.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh man.

[Topher]

And I was like, there's no ground here. And men were women and women were men there. And so it took us like running through Central park barefoot for a couple hours like, you know. Ultimate Frisbee Cafe quality brews without a barista. That's the Ninja Luxe Cafe.

[Co-host]

Yep. No skills needed.

[David Lee Corbo]

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[Topher]

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[David Lee Corbo]

That's interesting.

[Co-host]

That's really the only ground in New York.

[David Lee Corbo]

Central Park. Yeah. Yeah. And there's just homeless people everywhere.

[Co-host]

It's, it's great.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

But when you talk about their priorities, it is completely upside down.

[Topher]

It is.

[Co-host]

And I'm there, I was just there recently and I'm talking to like my family and I'm, I'm trying to explain to them these things that are simple

[David Lee Corbo]

like you know, at like drink a baby, gain immortality.

[Co-host]

Literal. You should know these things.

[David Lee Corbo]

This is really, this is one plus one.

[Co-host]

No, I'm just, I'm like, hey, guys like you like they have, they have money, you're wealthy. And I'm like a communist. Just took over here or Right. Whatever he is. And I was like, you guys can literally leave. And I've been, I've been saying this for eight years now. You can do this. And they're just like, why would I do that?

[David Lee Corbo]

Are they not at all worried about that situation? Not that I think you should be worried about it.

[Topher]

That's the thing.

[Co-host]

They are, they understand it, but they can't comprehend like there is a blockage maybe between their feet and like the rest of the earth, there's a blockage in understanding of if I stay here, this will happen.

[David Lee Corbo]

Sure.

[Topher]

Yeah. Well, it's an old wives tale thing where like, if somebody's ungrounded you, the way you ground naturally, like say you can't touch the ground, is you smell the air. You smell whatever's around because you're all factory senses are they actually go to a different part of your brain. You know how like sometimes smells will trigger your memory?

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, yeah, absolutely. I think it's supposed to be. I saw this from a commercial once. The number one. The number one sense attached to memory is scent. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Co-host]

I used to actually. I would spray my dad's cologne as I studied.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, that's interesting.

[Co-host]

Yeah. For a certain purposely. Purposely clever. Clever.

[Topher]

That's cool.

[David Lee Corbo]

A lot of tie.

[Co-host]

It's a certain type.

[Topher]

Exactly. It's an association and it's in a different part of your brain that's much deeper than the prefrontal cortex.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's fascinating.

[Co-host]

It could. It can work for you or against you. A little inside baseball here. One of my first girlfriends. I hope my wife never watches this. She used to wear a certain scent. Like a Burberry. Yeah, scent. And it was.

[David Lee Corbo]

This is crazy. If it's attached to your senses.

[Co-host]

Okay, okay, I'll just say it. I'll just say it.

[David Lee Corbo]

Go ahead.

[Co-host]

All right. God. Okay. It's a Burberry. I forget the exact type.

[Topher]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

It has specific scent to it.

[David Lee Corbo]

Okay.

[Co-host]

And my first girlfriend wore it. And obviously there's this connotation. This is an association, attraction. Sure. All these high school things.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

At one point my. My wife. My wife's mother, my in law before we were married, she would wear this same one.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, no, no.

[Topher]

Jaguar coming. Coming for you.

[Co-host]

It's a weird one. It's a weird one because I have like animosity with this person. Yeah, she doesn't like me either. You know, it's like mother.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, yeah.

[Co-host]

Although we're better now.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, yeah, we're good. But I know what you mean. I know exactly.

[Co-host]

There was a year and a half toe for where I'm like, I don't know what's happening right now.

[David Lee Corbo]

Why are you smelling like that?

[Co-host]

Why? You smell like you.

[Topher]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

You get that?

[David Lee Corbo]

Why would you say that on the podcast? Dude, I don't know. That's crazy. Why would you say that? Well, why would you have a podcast

[Co-host]

unless you can say these things?

[David Lee Corbo]

I saw something over just the weekend. My wife, she's showing me, you know, her tick tock and. Okay, hit the button.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

Find it. Oh, it's really low. It doesn't matter. Anyway, so she's watching this tick tock. And I think it is like my strange addiction. And it's this. This black chick, she's. She's overweight and she's talking about how she likes to smell underwear. She likes to smell her dad's underwear. She likes to smell specifically the front crotch area of her dad's underwear.

[Topher]

Daddy's pheromones, dude.

[David Lee Corbo]

And before she smells it, before she smells it, she like rubs the front of it. And so then. Then in this. Oh, my God, dude. It was so. I don't even know if it's real.

[Topher]

To kick up the stank.

[David Lee Corbo]

I don't know what she's doing. I don't know what she's. It's a little worship cere. And she goes. Then she has to sit. You know, I think the show. The producers go, you know, it'd be great. Why don't you tell your dad this? Does he know? No, he doesn't know. Why don't you tell your dad this? I think it would be great tv. So they sit, her dad, terrible. And she's like, I have an admission, a confession.

[Co-host]

How do we get on this, guys?

[David Lee Corbo]

We're sniffing dicks, right? That's how you come out. So she tells her dad, and her dad is like, you could just see. I bet he's like, what are you telling me right now? And she goes like this. She goes. I think she pulls it out of her bra. And he's like, what are you doing? What is that? And she's like, this is your underwear. I like to smell your underwear sometimes. I like to smell it in the crowd. He's like, hey, no. I'm like, it was so. Everything was. It was so bad. It was. Yeah. I mean, basically he was just like, you're. I'm ashamed of you. You're disgusting. And I was like, damn, dude. Then she started crying.

[Topher]

Yeah, that's showing a trauma cycle.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, yeah.

[Topher]

Because we're actually made to reject our parents pheromone.

[David Lee Corbo]

That makes sense.

[Topher]

So when you're not. When you're not rejecting your parents pheromone, that means that there is some sort of trauma cycle that linked you to.

[David Lee Corbo]

I don't like it.

[Co-host]

I know what it is.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

And it's actually.

[David Lee Corbo]

You know what it is.

[Co-host]

It's an old J. Moore joke.

[David Lee Corbo]

This is a Christian podcast.

[Co-host]

Says the job.

[David Lee Corbo]

I'm sorry, guys. This is just something that I saw and it was very. It was deeply upsetting.

[Co-host]

But this is. It's a fascinating joke.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

And it stuck with me for years.

[Topher]

He.

[David Lee Corbo]

He's.

[Co-host]

He's like, talking about the premise of soap. What is. What's magical about soap? Does it disintegrate away if you're using the same bar of soap as your parents? It's like your dad goes in there, your mom under the tits.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

And then you come and you wash your face with it.

[Topher]

That's crazy.

[Co-host]

And I've always, like. Since I heard that joke, I've always had my own bar of soap.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right.

[Co-host]

When I was living. My parents do.

[David Lee Corbo]

I. I take the soap, we'll put

[Topher]

it in a washcloth.

[David Lee Corbo]

I have it. I'm not black, so I don't do.

[Co-host]

Watch.

[David Lee Corbo]

But we have a separate.

[Topher]

Don't lie.

[Co-host]

There's.

[David Lee Corbo]

At least. There is.

[Topher]

There's an eighth or sixth.

[David Lee Corbo]

There's no. It's liter. My grandmother is so black. So. So my son has a separate bathroom than me. And number one, like, he has pump soap anyway.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

But I do like Yardley's oatmeal soap. I don't know why. And. And so. But I. I go. Whoop. Get it on my hands, then my hands are the delivery vehicle for the rest of my body still.

[Co-host]

I mean, there's got to be. When we're talking about the trauma chat.

[David Lee Corbo]

Is this real? Is that what. Is that what you guys do?

[Co-host]

Is this real?

[David Lee Corbo]

We don't. I don't rub the bar on my body.

[Co-host]

I do.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's. You're an asshole.

[Co-host]

We're like, so. I don't even know what this show is about. Please.

[David Lee Corbo]

I have even worse stories.

[Topher]

My last name is Gardener, so I'm black. It's just 100% washcloth, you know?

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. You do the washcloth.

[Topher]

I do the washcloth.

[David Lee Corbo]

I mean, I like it.

[Topher]

It's for, like, when. Like, you know, when you're in a locker room, you don't use, like, you have to have a washcloth.

[David Lee Corbo]

I was never in a locker room. I never did anything.

[Co-host]

The bar of soap, man with the rope.

[Topher]

No. Yeah.

[Co-host]

Gangster.

[David Lee Corbo]

So you don't drop it.

[Topher]

No. All my teams, they would have, like, the soap on the wall, and you'd, like, spray the wall into your washcloth and use your washcloth.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's crazy. Yeah, I never. I never had that experience. I just always. Did the hands get the soap, then the body gets the hands. Seems like a really, you know. Yeah, you skip a step. You don't have to.

[Co-host]

This premise is biblical either way. What? Don't uncover the nakedness of your father.

[Topher]

Exactly.

[Co-host]

Sure. This is like, these are things that we know.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

But that we're doing still.

[David Lee Corbo]

We were talking before the show started, something interesting happened where every once in a while, people who. Who understand the deep lore of this show will know what I'm getting at. If you don't know what I'm talking about, it's probably best left alone. But every once in a while, somebody will appear on. On Twitter and they'll say, fascinating observation. Black people, when they get into, you know, an altercation, they will resort to saying the same phrases. Anna, on repeat. I don't use the word yet. And. And so. Well, no, no, we're gonna get there. So on. On Twitter, you know, somebody does this. What's it called? When. When that happens. Is that like a real thing? And it goes viral. You know, it's like, I think it's sitting at like 800k right now. And. And I just retweeted. I said, don't tempt me. Right. But if you go into the comments, people are saying it's called a black loop. And what's really fascinating about that is there's even like a urban dictionary insert excerpt. I don't know the word. Is that the word? And. And it says black loop. And then it says, like, when black people get into a fight, they repeat the same phrases over and over again. And I went, that's so fascinating, because I believe I actually coined that term, didn't call it black loop. And this happened on time. I call it a different word. It's a different phrase. It's a Christian show. And. And, you know, but now seeing that, it's like it moved. And so, you know, Topher and I were having this discussion about it, and. And I said, you know, because you said you had seen that happen a number of times, and it's almost kind of a little bit of a bummer, which I would agree with. It is a little bit of a bummer when you. When you nudge culture and then it's not attributed to you. Although this one's fine. But I said I would feel badly if, I think if I thought that I didn't have the ability to continue to contribute insights like that.

[Topher]

Right.

[David Lee Corbo]

And you brought up Owen Benjamin, who has. He's experienced this a number of times. Yes.

[Topher]

Where he.

[David Lee Corbo]

He coins a term or he has a keen observation about human nature. Typically, that's what it is.

[Topher]

Right.

[Co-host]

Let's just say the entire Jewish phenomenon. Also, to be fair to Owen, it's not necessarily on, like, there have been at least 100, another 109 other countries observation. But the most Recent iteration it. My journey starts in almost like 2015, 2016. And Owen goes, wait a second. You can't just trans your kids like that. That's it. It's all downhill from there. And he starts noticing, and now he's got to deal with the rest of society, like, oh, like everyone's waking up to it. Like, this is the most groundbreaking thing. And he's just like, hey, we were.

[Topher]

I've been there.

[David Lee Corbo]

What did you call it, though, Topher? You said that.

[Topher]

Because I said living men being a living man, your. Your highest pinnacle of focus is truth.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right.

[Topher]

And so you're not worried about attribution because, you know, God's the provider.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right.

[Topher]

And so truth is like the window into God's soul. So you're, like, looking and you're seeing the truth. And as long as your focus isn't to idolize something material, you're just. Your focus is actually to know God and know the truth. You're always going to be provided these fresh insights.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yes, yes. That's what I was doing. I was peering at God when I discovered the loop, and. But I. Dude, I think that's really. David, that's. God showed me that. So. But, dude, that is.

[Co-host]

He brought me to a high mountain

[David Lee Corbo]

that is probably to a spiritual high place, revealed this to me. But no, I mean, that is such a. A keen observation, because really, what it is, is if you love the truth. Right. Which is the same thing. It's the same thing as what you said. If you love the truth, Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life. I think there's a reason truth leads you to God. God is synonymous with the truth. The devil is synonymous with lies. Right. And so that love of the truth, that's why Owen is like, it doesn't matter what's not attributed to Owen, because Owen has that fundamental ability to peer into the truth of a situation, whether it's the nature of people or the nature of the world. He has a relationship with the truth.

[Co-host]

It's actually a curse to. I mean, a lot of people are stealing the things, but I don't know if they're doing it on purpose, but

[David Lee Corbo]

no, no, I don't think they're doing it.

[Co-host]

It's a curse to steal it, because you steal it and then you present it to the world under the guise that. That you've created or discovered such a thing.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

Without paying tribute. And then people look at you and they expect it. Right. They're like, okay, you're the guy that can do the thing but you can't create anymore.

[Topher]

Right.

[Co-host]

You didn't create in the first place.

[David Lee Corbo]

You.

[Co-host]

You co opted.

[Topher]

That's the price of spontaneity. It's unpredictable.

[Co-host]

Yes.

[Topher]

So the living man is spontaneous. Right. And by living man, it could be a living woman also. Just. I'm just using that terminology less often. I see Project Cheney in the house.

[David Lee Corbo]

What's up? I got to get Cheney on the show. I keep inviting her, and then I keep inv.

[Topher]

Hitting her on mine too.

[David Lee Corbo]

The hell Change.

[Topher]

I know. Project change.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, she lives out here, and then she's close because.

[Topher]

I know. I know she was in Vero for a while.

[Co-host]

She.

[David Lee Corbo]

I think she's in the Tampa Bay area. And then. Yeah. Every time we try to hit her up, she's such a fight fan. She's like, yeah, let's do a fight companion. And I'm like, dude, I get sleepy at fights.

[Co-host]

End at one in the morning.

[David Lee Corbo]

Nine o'.

[Topher]

Clock.

[David Lee Corbo]

Nine o'.

[Co-host]

Clock.

[Topher]

Yeah. I. I've always loved Project Chinese work.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, she crushes.

[Topher]

Yeah. So, like, the. The spontaneity thing, the price you pay for spontaneity is unpredictability. So you can't, like, say, okay, I'm gonn inspired then.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. Yeah. You know, that's. That's a lot of my problem when people find me funny, but it would never translate to, like, a standup. Like, I think I have the energy to be on stage, but I don't have the ability to do standup comedy because most of my humor comes from spontaneity.

[Co-host]

Right.

[David Lee Corbo]

And I can't. Some people have that ability. They can capture that spontaneity, and then they can refine it. They can figure out what exactly was funny about that.

[Co-host]

We did. We did a show with Jake Shields, Owen, Sam, Tripoli was. Elijah was on there, and God rest his soul. God rest Elijah.

[David Lee Corbo]

So.

[Co-host]

And we go on the show, and, like, before we step on, we're like, what are we gonna talk about? And this.

[David Lee Corbo]

We're like, whatever, dude.

[Co-host]

Whatever.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, but that's.

[Co-host]

It works the best in that way.

[Topher]

It really does.

[Co-host]

Complete chaos.

[David Lee Corbo]

I've done stand up before. Like, I've done it in. In Las Vegas, and I did it three times, and each time I got up there, it was like. Like, you know, something about not being able to just be genuine in the moment, because that. That is what it is to me. Maybe I'm overanalyzing it, but it's like, I can't pretend this is the first time I've told this joke I can't pretend that I haven't. And, and part of the illusion is to pretend that this is the first time you're saying it like it's novel. Yeah, that's really hard. So all the things that I've done, you know, very comfortable on stage, except for in a stand up capacity. Maybe the most nerve wracking moment of my entire life. Three moments of my entire life, like I was gritting my teeth, talking to myself on the way to the venue, being like, you know, are you gonna

[Co-host]

do this or not?

[David Lee Corbo]

Are you a, like that kind of a deal? So it's a hard thing to do, but, but I do think there is something about it where it's like to analyze it. And I think this is what guys like Owen or Sam or any of these guys do really well. What was funny about that? Why was that funny?

[Topher]

And then why didn't they laugh? I mean, that's exactly like when the first time I became aware of Owen was when he was doing the male female dynamic in relationships.

[David Lee Corbo]

Okay.

[Topher]

And he was doing the internal music for women. It was like this really serious, like, and then like for, for guys, it was like a golden retriever, like really up.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Topher]

I was just like such a great observation because that is the observation.

[David Lee Corbo]

It is, it's the truth.

[Topher]

It's so perfect.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, yeah. I don't know. I, I these days it's interesting because everybody is glomming onto conspiracies. And you know what's fascinating too, this is my son, is we let him watch like some YouTube and now I got to take that. Every once in a while we go, all right, we'll allow the YouTube again. And then there's things that aren't like, they're not necessarily bad, but I don't like them. And so I have to take the YouTube away again. This time what it was is he will watch shorts and he'll come back and he'll say a thing to me. He'll present it. And he's talking like a YouTube short, right? But not only is he Talking like a YouTube short, the speech is compiled by AI I just want you to

[Co-host]

know that this is coming from a guy who was embodying Jack Sparrow for

[David Lee Corbo]

a number of years. When I was a kid, I embodied Cartman too. In fifth grade, I did Cartman. It was crazy.

[Topher]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

And I couldn't stop. So. So my son is just me. He's just me. And I think what I'm catching is the things that I were my downfall as a Child because I didn't have a dad around to tell me that's gay. So what's happening is he's talking like AI now. So there's a way that AI will lay out the text and then they'll have an AI voice read it on the shorts. And that's fascinating.

[Co-host]

Right.

[David Lee Corbo]

He'll be like, did you know? And I'm like, whoa, whoa. You gotta stop right there. Like, this is not. So now I gotta take it away. But what I'm discovering is he's. He's not only is he coming to me and he's presenting me facts that aren't real, which is a bummer because that's a lot of. It's just like mass producing shorts for clickability.

[Co-host]

Do you think that that's like a concerted conspiracy to create, like, a transhumanist agenda?

[Topher]

It's an extension of the Prussian schooling system. Like, when you look back at the turn of the 20th century, like John Taylor Gatto's work, where he was getting into. To make people reactionary. The goal, the whole goal was in the infantilization of the Western mind.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, man, that's huge. They achieve that.

[Topher]

Yeah, yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

And adult adolescents.

[Topher]

Adult adolescents. To make us always have an emotional trigger to everything, because then once you make somebody emotional, they can't actually access their prefrontal cortex and just be logical.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Topher]

And so that was the goal. And so what we're seeing now, at least what I'm seeing in media, is that everything is a bit or a bite to elicit some sort of emotional response.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Topher]

You know, where the real gravy is, actually. You get past the emotion and then you get into the truth of the matter. But that's not the way the algorithms are set up. Like, it's always controversy. It's always something to, you know, be like Pavlov's dog, where you're just responding. And now you're in this reactionary mindset.

[Co-host]

And it's unfortunate because the people are using this. I use this technique a lot as well, but I use it to get people here.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right.

[Co-host]

And we can have to get to the long form.

[Topher]

Right.

[Co-host]

You have to. Otherwise everyone else, it's so flooded with that exact technique, and then people will then funnel you to more bullshit.

[Topher]

Right.

[Co-host]

I'm trying to have a conversation.

[Topher]

At least I see it with my podcast because, like, I've only had one viral short. Right. But the viral short, like, people are making more comments on the viral short than the actual podcast. I was from. I was like, no, no, you need to get the context.

[Co-host]

We don't need that.

[Topher]

Like, context is everything. Like, literally I have hundreds of episodes where it's like, no, no, you need to know the context in which this thing is being said. But people just like that emotional response and the quick response.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, that's the thing that I'm, I'm tangoing with right now. And, and goes back to what my son is experiencing where like, outside of the things that are false, the false facts that he's learning through YouTube shorts, he's also getting some like, insights that are true. But it's made me wonder about shortcuts to wisdom. Shortcuts to knowledge. To be a conspiracy theorist, let's say 40 years ago meant that you were effectively burying your nose in various texts.

[Topher]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

And then there was a big shortcut that was made when the Internet came about and that's when I hopped on and I was able to get these things and still what, by today's standard would be considered long form content

[Co-host]

in

[David Lee Corbo]

comparison to what we're dealing with today. But certainly a shortcut by many measures to wisdom and knowledge that previous generations didn't have now. And let's even frame it within the context of the Epstein files coming out. Which files is a strong word. Right. It's emails, it's, you know, data transactions.

[Co-host]

This is like the hot topic. We got to know what you think about it.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right.

[Topher]

For sure.

[David Lee Corbo]

Now everybody is getting arguably one of the, one of the more important topics about the nature of reality. Whether or not you think it's all true or it doesn't really matter, it's still going to drastically reframe reality for a lot of people, huge portions of the populace, massive in comparison to who was aware of it, let's say 2018, 2019. And these people are all getting maybe even unwillingly shortcuts to wisdom and knowledge. The, the files have come out. You lack the framework to understand the context, to understand these things. And then a, a step even further is when a content creator comes along and creates a bombastic short 1 minute or 30 seconds and deciphers everything for you and it's, it's just boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

[Topher]

And it's just traumatic. That's very traumatic.

[David Lee Corbo]

It is traumatic.

[Topher]

And that causes people to have ptsd. And the people that are under entrainment, which is pretty much every boomer that you're going to meet. Yeah, every boomer. And I don't say that as a derogatory thing. They're.

[David Lee Corbo]

I do, I do.

[Topher]

Well, their frameworks have been like, literally. They. They went from, you know, the cathode ray tube, you know, with 460, you know, DPI or whatever. Now they have these ultra high def, you know, massive screens in front of them. That's spouting at them whatever the figureheads are spouting at them.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Topher]

And they. Conditioned to externalize authority. Their whole modeling is there's somebody outside of me that tells me what is true. They tell me what is true.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's.

[Topher]

That's the externalization of authority. And for them to give that up would be like telling one of us to give up God.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right?

[Topher]

That's what entrainment does. That is their God. No, that's. That's the truth purveyor. That is the truth purveyor. And so when us, some young startups come in and start saying, hey, this, this, this, and this. The secondary thing, other than the entrainment that they're having to deal with is they're having to, like, now deal with shame.

[Co-host]

Right?

[Topher]

Because as parents, they look back and they're like, maybe I shouldn't have done that key party. Maybe I shouldn't have done this. I shouldn't have injected billy, you know, 18 times. And they have that tremendous parental guilt in, like, in my clients. When I see. When they're dealing with guilt, most of the time they disassociate.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Topher]

They'll go into disassociation. So you do these, like, these things where these epstein drops and whatever. A lot of people are gonna have a literal traumatic.

[David Lee Corbo]

They're gonna glaze.

[Co-host]

Okay, we're back.

[David Lee Corbo]

We're back. Are we on the right?

[Topher]

Nope.

[Co-host]

MacBook.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's so strange.

[Co-host]

Yeah, that happened before. Okay. Okay.

[David Lee Corbo]

Are we good? Are we good, guys? How's the audio? I don't know what happened, but the. I think we were getting too close to the sun there, the streaming. We should be back now, though. Guys, sound off in the chat if. If this sounds all right to you?

[Topher]

Check one.

[David Lee Corbo]

This is something that we wanted to do, and. And I'm actually kind of. I'm having a moral. Somebody accused me of moral superiority.

[Co-host]

I'm having a little bit of a moral conundrum with it as well, like how to do it, how to approach it. It's a necessary thing, although I know that.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, let's lay out the premise, because, I don't know. Topher doesn't know what we. What we wanted. We're gonna.

[Co-host]

We're gonna kill.

[David Lee Corbo]

We're gonna kill every boomer that comes here. We'll Kill what. What we're thinking about doing is a, is a live IRL show, maybe outside there, or we'll go up to individuals in the coffee.

[Co-host]

We have like those little wireless mics and doing like maybe either a live show or maybe both.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

Like short form content where you do man on the street.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, yeah. And we just want to go, like, first off, what do you know about the Epstein files that DOJ released?

[Co-host]

Also, I want to have like, huge printed posters like they have in Congress of like, you know, when they're referencing

[David Lee Corbo]

something, and a long pointer stick.

[Co-host]

A pointer stick. Look at this email.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

What do you mean? What do you think he meant by drink babies?

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Co-host]

This kind of stuff.

[David Lee Corbo]

But. And so, like, part of it is to, to gauge the public. I think it'd also be really fascinating and I think it could open the door for like a larger conversation. People coming here and, and being like, well, what is this all about? Because the way that I would frame it is if you came and you asked for nuance. Right. I would say, well, as far as we can tell, this has always been the nature of the world.

[Topher]

Yes.

[David Lee Corbo]

So this is nothing new. Maybe we were just lulled into a false sense of security to think for the first time in human history, this sort of thing wasn't taking place. But the fact of the matter is it always has. And in the Bible, it tells us to be in the world, not of it. Right, right. Our walk is not. We're not meant to be a product of the world. And so I would frame it like that. And I would say, you know, the Bible says continually do not fear, do not be discouraged. For, you know, the Lord your God is with you, like all this. Don't get whipped up into the fear of this. But so in some ways, what I'm saying, Topher, is I think it would be better for us to tell them than maybe, yes, cnn, Fox News, any of the things that are eventually going to tell them. But I'm still having my moral, you know, quandaries with this. Like, is this, Is this a good.

[Topher]

Well, the Bible also says, don't cast pearls before swine.

[Co-host]

Ooh. That's why.

[Topher]

And that's the thing. And Jesus is emphatic. He's like, if your words are not met readily, he uses the word readily.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Topher]

Dust off your sandals and be on your way. Yeah.

[Co-host]

Hit the road. This is why my approach to it, like, I understand what you're saying, David, where you. You're trying to help. I'm way past trying to help anybody.

[Topher]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

I mean, it would be great content.

[Co-host]

That's. Honestly.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

And I feel like it's fair because

[David Lee Corbo]

I feel like within that we would net a couple people.

[Co-host]

I don't care.

[David Lee Corbo]

All right.

[Co-host]

A couple people. No, I don't think you'll net anybody.

[David Lee Corbo]

You don't think so? Nugget, Just zero.

[Topher]

No.

[Co-host]

But. But what it is is a consequence of their actions. They have created the circumstance in which I don't drive a truck and do manual labor anymore.

[David Lee Corbo]

Sure, sure.

[Co-host]

I do this because of. Largely because of the generation that came before that set the precedent for what's happening today.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

So now it's the same thing with our Timothy Albarino beef.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right? Yeah.

[Co-host]

We could just let it go after he's defamed us and asked people not to follow and all this crazy shit

[David Lee Corbo]

whipping his emaciated corpse.

[Co-host]

Every time I see you, I could use you to keep feeding me, because that's honest. It's reparations at this point. And that's. That's kind of how I feel. I, like, feel bad doing it to old people because you're going to have to break them.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, the problem is I don't know what they're going to do when they go home.

[Co-host]

Yeah, they're going to go home and go.

[Topher]

Well, I think part of this is actually there's two things that I'm kind of seeing in the zeitgeist with it is one, I think it's a red herring.

[David Lee Corbo]

I would agree with that.

[Co-host]

A lot of it.

[Topher]

And number two is they're using it to kill off the boomer.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh.

[Topher]

Like, so many people aren't going to admit it in public, but internally, internally, their conscious is going to know, oh, oh, they're going to do the big series of O's. They're going to be doing the big O, and then the guilt and then the shame and then the death and the death.

[Co-host]

Like, actual, physical, physical death.

[Topher]

We're gonna see a massive amount of people leave very soon.

[David Lee Corbo]

I think there's no way to emphasize how detached we are. Right. The three of us in this room right now are familiar with this topic and a multitude of other topics. And there's really not anything at this point in my life that you're going to present to me that is going to kind of give me pause. I would say the only thing that you can do that would give me pause is, like, if you really did reveal this to the normies, it would give me pause on behalf of them.

[Topher]

Right.

[David Lee Corbo]

Like, to think about, like, Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. This is. This is weird because there is like, there's a. Almost like a grieving period. There's the five stages of grief, or however many stages grief there are. And without time to process and go through that, I think if you're forced to go through it too quickly. Yeah. It could lead to something like that.

[Co-host]

The sad part is, though, we've been trying to get them through this for a long time. We've been doing it with comedy, we've been doing it with news, with your shows. We're trying to talk to you.

[Topher]

Well, you're not there. So they symbolize.

[David Lee Corbo]

They.

[Topher]

I'm saying the people born from 1945 to 1965. That group of people holds the majority of the wealth of the world. If you were to look at them just by themselves. I think the. The amassed wealth of the boomer generation is $14 trillion.

[Co-host]

Geez.

[Topher]

14 or 15 trillion. That's bigger than most countries GDP. Yeah, they. They have held it and they've become greedy with it. Like, they're not the gen. They're not like the greatest generation before them that were great grandparents building for their children, building for their children. This generation is like, how many cruises can I go on? How many times can I go ski?

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

Have you heard Owen's song that he did? Yeah.

[Topher]

I loved was. It was cathartic for me because I'm watching my parents not be grandparents.

[Co-host]

Yeah, yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Topher]

And I'm like. Because my grandparents who were from the greatest generation, they were awesome. They were always available. They were builders. Yeah, yeah. And it was just like they. And you know, there's lots of reasons for it and everything like that, but the main thing is, is you have $14 trillion of debt in a way that's in. In asset base.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Topher]

And there is. Don't think, like, it's like you talk to any hedge fund manager and they're going to tell you about the whale. The whale in the room. Yeah. They're like, that's the whale. There's never been a bigger whale than the boomers.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's a wild concept.

[Co-host]

I will say. Just a quick shot. I never, I never do this with my mom.

[David Lee Corbo]

Shout out to the boomers and my dad. Okay.

[Co-host]

No, give them huge, huge. Go ahead. They lived in Coney island in Brooklyn their whole life. And. And the older people are very set in their ways, but when I said, I'm moving to Florida to the middle of nowhere with your grandkids, and I was like, hey, basically I'm going And it's not like to push you or anything.

[David Lee Corbo]

No. But this is a decision that I made for the betterment of my family.

[Co-host]

I got it. I gotta leave New York. I gotta go. And then I gave him a choice. I said, listen, you got to tell me within the next three months or so if you want to come with me. I'll look for a property that could suit both of us.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

And if you don't, I'll buy. Like, I was going to buy a five acre property.

[Topher]

Right.

[Co-host]

And be fine with that with one house and.

[David Lee Corbo]

Good.

[Co-host]

And it took them a while and they were like, it was hard for them, but they made that decision to leave their hometown. And I ended up getting the 10 acres with. And now. Now they have their own house on the property. And the house that I have now was able to suit them until that's built. So they. But they made that decision to uproot themselves to do something completely different. They're actually watching the kids now.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right.

[Co-host]

So like, big ups to them. I know my mom watches. We do something called messages for mom. We make fun of her. Crazy messages sent me. But they did. They broke the mold of what they were supposed to do.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

And they were supposed to stay where they were at, be cool with their money.

[David Lee Corbo]

They should be on a cruise right

[Co-host]

now, go on a crew. They could go on a cruise if they wanted to. But like, they made that uncomfortable change for. For their grandkids. Yeah. Not necessarily for me. I don't give a. About me.

[David Lee Corbo]

You know what it is, I think, because they are. Are they first generation from Puerto Rico. Right. So that has a lot to do with it.

[Topher]

Because it really does.

[David Lee Corbo]

Is outside of American culture. There's American culture. Psyop. The boomers.

[Topher]

Specifically North American culture.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Topher]

I always lived in Central America, which had.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right, right.

[Topher]

And those family units are tight, man. They hit the whole Hispanic. You know, that thing is like family first.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Topher]

It's specifically North American culture. As far as I can discern in Western Europe got the biggest hit with feminism. Feminism just destroyed my mother's generation. Like, feminism. Seriously?

[David Lee Corbo]

Yes.

[Co-host]

The beginning of Girl Boss, the first wave, you're talking.

[Topher]

Well, first and second.

[Co-host]

Okay.

[Topher]

Like, because it was all about. They did the. They did the double dip with it. They said, one, your worth is in the corporate workplace.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right. Yeah.

[Topher]

And then at the same time, they were hitting them with the materialist side, saying, your man can't supply you with your wants and needs. So they're getting hit on both directions. And I think out of my Mother's peers. There's not a single one of them that's not divorced. And I was growing up, I'm a Gen Xer. When I was growing up, literally all of my friends, parents got divorced.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Topher]

In the 80s and the early 90s, like they were all, it was like an obliteration.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. I mean that's how when, when I was growing up, vast majority of my friends are from single parent households, which effectively means, you know, raised by the mother.

[Co-host]

Yeah. My, a lot of my family is that same way. But my immediate family, for some they're just too stupid to. Too stupid to adopt the new way of thinking.

[David Lee Corbo]

Which is. Yeah. Which is great.

[Topher]

Thank God.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

I know. But, but growing up like I was, was, I was looked at, my family was looked at as this like. Well these guys are like old school and they're not understanding and they're not going. Yeah. They're not getting all like the new things that everybody had.

[David Lee Corbo]

But they're also, they get to raise their grandkids.

[Co-host]

They're not getting those new horrible things as well.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

And it's like it was one of those things. Yeah. Kind of growing up I wasn't a fan of it and I would, I would kind of look at them like these guys do things like a weird way. But now I'm not going to do things any different.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right.

[Co-host]

That's the way it's supposed to be. And I'm seeing, I'm seeing how it's all played out. It's actually wonderful to see especially and it's tragic to see when you see what this, this community here is. It's like this community is just filled with people who have abdicated their duty of. Well, if we are grandmother and left.

[Topher]

Yeah. But it's like our condition. Like I, I'm, I'm not too arrogant to think like I'm a product of my exposure. Right. And when I look at what my parents were exposed to and all their models, all their reference points, we're really teaching them to be as self centered as possible.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Topher]

Like I'm lucky. I, I'm always thanking God all the time for being shown people that were not self centered and we're more selfless and we're trying to do things to build community and build family and all that. But like when I talked to my mom or my stepfather about that, their whole, their whole focus was on them, their thing, their career. They were bred to be narcissists.

[Co-host]

This.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well I, you know, but that's so,

[Co-host]

that's like it's unnatural.

[David Lee Corbo]

It is unnatural.

[Co-host]

The un. The natural state of thing is going to be. It's going to go back to reliance on the people around you and that stronger family.

[Topher]

Oh, dude. The gen zers and like, all. All the gen zers that I deal with. Like, the men. I have mostly young men in my construction company. They're all already married. They're in their 20s.

[David Lee Corbo]

They're getting it.

[Topher]

Yeah, man. I'm. I'm so stoked about the future because there's so many of the younger people are like, they see the Gen Xers and the. The boomers, and they're like, you guys didn't do it right.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, My. My uncle, who was a mentor to me, he had, like, all the coolest stuff, man. He was a competitive bass fisherman, so he had all these, you know, trophies in his. And he had. He was also a competitive shooter for wheel guns. All those trophies had hot rods and speedboats and big truck and, you know, everything you could want. His entire basement was just filled with, like, all of the things. It was like adult kid in a way. Like, if you had achieved all the things you would have wanted when you were a young man, you know, to tinker with and such. And. And he taught me a lot. And, you know, it's because of him that I became a welder and a fabricator and all this other stuff. But he used to say to me that I was a. A far richer man than he would ever be because he never had a kid. He never had a kid, and he focused on his career and he had this legacy of. In New Jersey, there's all these sheet metal factories that had government contracts and aerospace contracts. He helped them not only get started, but helped them secure those contracts. So I would go into one building for work in another building, and they'd be like, you're Johnny Mac's nephew. Everybody knew him, right? So, like, I would perceive him as being like this. The hot shot. Yeah. He had all these guitars. Used to be like, that guitar could. Could pay for this house alone. It was all over. His house is all these guitars and he used to play the blues and he had this big beard. He was like this real caricature cool dude, right? But he's looking at me who I'm like, I can't get my together. I'm making 13 an hour as a welder. I got my car repoed and all this, and I don't know how to make ends meet. And he's telling me that I'm a richer man than he'll ever be.

[Topher]

Because it's getting back to that living man thing. I'm talking about, like, when you're. When you're focused on the real. Like, you're in this world, but you're not of it.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Topher]

And you're focused on the truth, which is that route to your. To the highest jurisdiction. When you're in that. That's something that. Somebody's become an ardent materialist. They can kind of sense it when they're around it and, and they're like, you have it. I don't.

[David Lee Corbo]

I can't fill this void with all these things.

[Co-host]

You also can't buy that.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yes.

[Co-host]

But money, as you get older, like, you're talking about, I don't know, the guitars and stuff. Like, when I was younger, like, poor and stuff, I'm like, I always had these values and other people would have the things, and I'm like, I don't have these things. I got older, now I have these things. These things don't really matter. Yeah. I like them. They're fine. But it's like that stuff comes. You can't purchase that innate, Innate value of, of the family.

[Topher]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

You know, of the. Of what matters in life. You. Once. You. Once you put the money as your first asset or as your first materialistic gain, that's pretty much what you're stuck with.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

I don't think you can go back to that.

[Topher]

I don't think so.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's also the. So within the career realm, I'm endlessly grateful every day. I'm grateful because it's like, dud. I have a. I have carved a place out for myself where my, My career pursuit is the pursuit of truth and sharing it with people. Right. And I don't have a monopoly on it. I'm not always right, and I get a lot of things wrong, but I'm always looking for the truth, and I'm always trying to be oriented in that direction, which I think is exactly why you end up being wrong a lot. Because, you know, you think one thing is true, but once you realize that it's not, you have to shuck that off and, and keep moving. It's like, dude, what an unbelievable position that we've been put in. I mean, it's, it's. It's incredible. You know, my uncle would say to me that I was a far richer man than he was. I was 24, 25 years old when he would say that to me. And, And I still have all those things. And this where I get to, like, I Get to pursue the truth every single day. I get to come in here and kill old people. And kill old people. That's fucking crazy.

[Co-host]

What, what you said though, is. Is. Is a crazy thing. And I think part of me knows that or knew that because I was talking with my.

[David Lee Corbo]

What's that?

[Co-host]

This. I don't know, man, this die off thing. And people were saying it would, it would be. It would come because of the. The inoculation that everybody took recently.

[David Lee Corbo]

There's that notion of suicide week. Right. That's within the whole Q community.

[Co-host]

I don't know about that. But yeah, put a pin in that for a second. As I was talking to my aunt and uncle this weekend, I was. I was visiting them on Saturday. I was. I like to do a thing where I. I'm like. I just say like crazy stuff to them because they're very normal. They're like, watch, you know, pix11 and whatever if Smallville's on. And I love doing that with them. I like taking out. Taking off my tinfoil hat and taking the blue pill for a little while.

[David Lee Corbo]

Watching a little Smallville and yeah, dude,

[Co-host]

we'll do like, like Fun Time and watch a Super bowl with them and act like there's no satanic symbology. It's great. And I love that because that's what they were about. But. But they're older and I'm watching them and like I said, have you heard about the Epstein files? And again, only cursory knowledge. What is sort of being told.

[David Lee Corbo]

And I was like, well, there's massages on an island from 17 year olds.

[Co-host]

Yeah. And I was like. And then I'm explaining to them also, like, disclosure, Alien disclosure on the, on the forefront.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

And they're kind of like, oh, that's. I don't know. And I was like, listen, guys, you don't understand. And I've been saying this for a while and ringing the bell. And I do it at like, in a very jokey way where they, they go, oh, Danny's crazy.

[David Lee Corbo]

You know, that kind of thing.

[Co-host]

Oh, he's a crazy guy. Go talk to him. But he'. Money. It's crazy.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

And I'm like, I'm being very serious. This is gonna happen and you guys are gonna have no way to deal with it.

[Topher]

Yeah, right.

[Co-host]

Like zero way to deal with it. You completely pants down. And. And the consensus between them all was, yeah, I, you know, I don't need to worry about that stuff. Whatever. I just do my thing over here and that. And I was like, yeah, but that's. That's what you said with COVID And Covet changed the entire world. It touched you, and that was just a trial run. And what they're about to do to you is, I think, gonna be crazier.

[David Lee Corbo]

I don't know how. Well, I was trying to find this video. I didn't watch it, but I got like the. The sense from the caption and a little bit of like, you know, the guy moving around. But there's a video that was going viral over the weekend because I guess the. The idea is they released an additional 3 million files.

[Co-host]

6 million. Why not?

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, that total. In total. In total it is. That's great. And they do it in threes. Three now and three later. So you got 33 and you got 6 million. It's hilarious.

[Co-host]

Losing my mind.

[David Lee Corbo]

And there's a guy as this black dude, and he's just like, you know, I looked at these things and they're horrifying the videos. I don't know if I guess there's videos. I don't know. I'm not looking for this. There's videos, there's images. He's like, the things I saw and the things that I heard, I'm never going to be able to unhear. And he's like, having this breakdown about it. Are we good, guys? Sound off Audio is good. Thank you, Sam.

[Co-host]

What?

[Topher]

What?

[David Lee Corbo]

Okay, so.

[Co-host]

So sorry.

[David Lee Corbo]

What? What? I was saying what was embarrassing, actually. Oh, this idea that. So. So I don't believe in shortcuts to knowledge. We already talked about that. But we talked about how God will send a strong delusion to people who are unwilling to see the truth. The truth. The truth has been out there.

[Co-host]

Whether or not there's, like, precedent in the Bible of God asking other angels, like, okay, this guy is not going to do it. How should. How should we?

[Topher]

It's literally prophesied. He will take the word, his word, away.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. Your. Your unwillingness to see the truth is. It's an affront. So he goes, okay, you don't want to see it, then I'll remove it from you. He gives you what you want. Right.

[Co-host]

Isn't that a troll?

[David Lee Corbo]

Isn't that troll? But it's very straightforward. I'll give you what you want. You don't want to see it, Take it away.

[Co-host]

That's the heart of trolling. It's like, we've already asked to tell you the truth. As a matter of fact, we've yelled it.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

And you. And you've discarded us. So now we get to have some fun. But what happens comes at the torture of your mentality.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, that's exactly it. It's like when you refuse to see the truth. At some point, if you happen to exist within the generation, I think we are in where the veil is going to get pulled. Yeah, dude, I don't know. Genuinely don't know what happens if you don't acclimate to this shit. Because when I was having a bit of a breakdown about it, I was just a kid and I wasn't having a bit of a breakdown about all of it. It was just like, what I was coming to understand. And I'm still learning more. I'm still finding out that there's so much more that I don't know than what I do know. So at that time, at 16, it wasn't like I was revealed everything. And that was hard, right? It was hard because I was keen to something that other people refused to see. It seemed to be fundamental to the true nature of reality. And I was alone in that experience. And that's what was hard. And every time I would bring it up, I would get either ridiculed or you'd watch somebody's eyes glaze over. This is different. This is. And I don't even know to what degree any of these files are true. It's. It's strange. It feels like you said red herring before. I want to explain. Explore that in a minute. But I don't think discernment is at all what these people are armed with.

[Topher]

No.

[David Lee Corbo]

So when this thing gets pulled back, it will all be received as truth at some point after the denial.

[Topher]

Yes.

[David Lee Corbo]

Five stages of grief, whatever the hell they are. Once you get to acceptance, they will be accepting it all. Everything that's in here is true. What the hell does that do to a person who just a week prior said it's all fake, said it's all fake.

[Co-host]

And we.

[Topher]

Yeah. And then at the same time, their net worth is going to be debased completely with the switch over the money.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

[Topher]

Right now, that's the stilts that they've been stilted upon. And so the second you go, okay, you were worth the net of 5 million. Now you're worth a net of 50,000. And your Medicaid and your Medicare are no longer there, you're going to just see swaths and swaths of people go.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's so crazy because to me, I would. I have always felt that's actually what.

[Co-host]

It's. What kind of what needs to happen

[David Lee Corbo]

what does need to happen? And it's, it's been artificially pushed off since the 2000.

[Topher]

Market class, as their children, we're not going to absorb that wealth. That wealth was all just poof anyway.

[David Lee Corbo]

But that's okay because this is. I'm a stranger pilgrim in a strange land. I'm just passing through.

[Co-host]

That's what I mean by what needs to happen. When you look at like economically, at the, the mal spending or like the, the bubbles that have been created and libert. Libertarian thought will say, well we need to pop all these bubbles or this, this needs to go away and we need to have a reality check. But the reality check comes at that cost that you're saying.

[Topher]

Yes.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, they never consider that the reality check would be coupled with the, the revelation that they're drinking babies. You know what I mean? Like libertarians, Libertarians have been like, well, we need to be fiscally responsible, responsible and, and you know, there needs to be better policy. And we've been going like, hey, what about Molec, what about Molar? And they go no, no, no, no, no.

[Co-host]

What about. What about both of those things?

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, Boom. You sing them together and it's like, yeah, nobody's going to be prepared for this except for people that have a, you know, I want to call them schizos or whatever. But people who love the truth. People who love the truth. If you had a love for the truth this entire time, I always, this, this is gonna sound crazy. Have looked forward to a day where like, like look, I think if it's just happening to you, it sucks. But if it's happening to the whole world, everyone suffering, don't kill yourself, don't be a bitch about it. This is the nature of reality.

[Topher]

It goes deeper than that. That's why I got into like making carbon for soil is like when you deal with big agriculture, the big agriculture loop of money, you only get loans to, to farm. Now if you're buying their chemicals, it's the same way with the old people right now. Now the only way that they're living and getting their Medicare and Medicaid is if they're getting the pharmaceuticals. Yeah, it's this loop.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Topher]

So the second that the money or the insurance or whatever it is gets devalued to a certain extent in their mind, they're going to be like, I don't have the chemical to survive and most sickness is psychosomatic.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh yeah.

[Topher]

And they will opt out.

[Co-host]

Out.

[Topher]

I'm letting you know. I like.

[David Lee Corbo]

No, I believe you.

[Topher]

Like people are Going to opt out. They're not going to come.

[David Lee Corbo]

Especially in this area. In this area. Baby Boomerville. Yeah.

[Topher]

Yeah. Think of all the different pharmaceutical. How many pharmaceutical places do you see between cvs, Walgreens, all over around here? It's like every corner.

[David Lee Corbo]

I mean, this place, if you watch like cable television, the ads that are targeted here are insane.

[Co-host]

This place is unique and it's why I moved here. Because upon further inspection, you can go around this place and if they wanted to, if they actually wanted to, they can go off on their own. Reserved currency.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yes.

[Co-host]

They already have all of the production that they would ever need for farming and farming animals, you name it. This place is completely self sustaining. Definitely the villages.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. But these people who have built their lives off of comfort will opt out. Why would I want to be alive for this?

[Co-host]

Yeah, but I think they'd be in okay shape. I think this place would be like Disneyland for some people. It would be a haven and there will be some sort of like, weird haven. So this could be one of them. They'd have to figure out the healthcare aspect and how to get all these people. But these people are amazing organizers. So. Matt, get the hell out.

[David Lee Corbo]

Matt, get out of here. Go on and get. Guys. Buy Matt coin. Buy low. Whatever's. Whatever's coming next. And we have our, our Federal Reserve in Top Lobster. He's been printing these like crazy. That's awesome. But they don't get devalued. You were saying something before Red herring.

[Topher]

Yes.

[David Lee Corbo]

What do you, what do you mean by that? It.

[Topher]

In all my recent interviews I've been doing probably the last dozen interviews I've done. And this goes back to the biochar. Like we were talking about how it blocks emf and I, how I've had EMF sensitive clients. My wife is EMF sense.

[David Lee Corbo]

My wife.

[Co-host]

My wife.

[Topher]

So when you start to study the EMF thing, you really start to see like everything is a base emitter. Like everything is, you know, essentially like the way millimeter waves work is they don't travel far and they don't penetrate.

[David Lee Corbo]

Okay.

[Topher]

So they use sort of like the mob mentality with distributing signals where if everybody has a 5G phone, then that can get around the cracks and they send these packets of information where everything is transmitting and receiving. And so when I'm doing EMF mitigation, it's very important that like, okay, now that we have a room that's completely EMF free, if you bring your phone into that room, it's not going to work because it's not going to receive the emf.

[David Lee Corbo]

Okay.

[Topher]

And like, let's say you open a

[David Lee Corbo]

window, it's like a reality regulator. If you eliminate your phone and the convergence of data, you know, it's like, oh, wait, right, Everything's fine. You know, the doom isn't here.

[Topher]

But here's the secondary thing is the, the last development I built in Costa Rica, we had to put in a transformer because we had so many buildings. And the country of Costa Rica, they have one electrical company.

[David Lee Corbo]

Okay.

[Topher]

And so they came out and they were showing us how to actually create ground. Now because down there, the. Their earth is mainly bauxite clay. It's like a red clay.

[David Lee Corbo]

Okay.

[Topher]

And that doesn't give you good ground. And so they were showing us how you have to dig essentially a pillar into the ground and then you have to create something with a ton of surface area and essentially create an electrolytic battery and have that electrolytic battery in the ground and then connect ground, connect your main ground wire to your transformer that way. And so what I've been seeing is the big redirect is our, like the way nature works normally is the ground is negatively ionized, the sky is positively ionized. The differential between the two is what we know as the voltage. Okay, okay, so that's. Voltage is just potential. What they've been doing with all these little doodads and gadgets and everything is they've been positively ionizing the surface of the earth. Now when you see these crazy fog events, I don't know if in Florida, you guys.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah.

[Topher]

You know, my friend Spencer from Florida was showing me like the local. He'll take snapshots of the local tv, like, you know, and they'll have radiation warnings everywhere. What they're doing is, I think the big red herring in the world is the next generation of, I guess you would call it health care is linked to the next generation of currency, which is all biometric based. And the big flip, and this is the boomers are going to get it on the chin, is that they're going to devalue everything that the, the 14 trillion that we're talking about. Because historically this is nothing new. Whenever there's a switch of a currency, they have to, essentially they, they don't, they don't do it gently. It's not like, oh, everybody get ready. No, no. It's literally you kill off the old currency and the people that hold the old currency and then you roll in the new one.

[David Lee Corbo]

Is this why you think we're seeing silver go up so dramatically gradually, then suddenly.

[Topher]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's, it's like, it's, it's abrupt, it's quick. And now everybody's on the new system and there's nobody left to tell you about the old system.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's interesting. So it would have been like if you were to pop this bubble back in 2008 and, and keep it popped and, you know, whatever. It wouldn't have been, it would have been devastating, but more manageable. Now we've gotten to the point where it's so. Inflation is so incredible.

[Topher]

We really thought that, like I had a home in Florida at a 3,000 square foot home in Boynton Beach, Florida, and I saw the, I saw the price of the. This house double in two years and I'm like, this bubble, this is a bu. We got to get out.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Topher]

And so I did cash out and moved to Costa Rica and built my empire down there. But what was nuts was it made no sense. And this was before the big short came out, before anybody was talking about mortgage backed securities and the tranches. Like we've all been informed about that now. Now. But like that scam was so obvious and like, literally I met all these other like og, you know, preppers that were talking about it, you know, 10 years before that.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Topher]

And down there. And it was like everybody was doing the food sovereignty thing and getting their farms ready for the big. And we all thought when 2007 rolled around, oh, that was it.

[David Lee Corbo]

Nobody thought that they were gonna keep doing this for another.

[Topher]

But they kept.

[David Lee Corbo]

I mean, it's insane.

[Co-host]

They made another like maybe two or three plays on top of that. Yes. What they were doing as, as they're perverting that system, there are people on top that are benefiting and they're buying other assets for the switch over.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yes.

[Co-host]

Whatever that might. I don't know exactly what the switchover will be. Maybe it'll be like an XRP or some sort of a matte coin that'll be linked to our, our bios.

[Topher]

My bigger MAP coin is worth more, right? I have a bigger mat.

[David Lee Corbo]

Three times at least.

[Topher]

Exactly.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, I think so.

[Topher]

Redeemable for an espresso.

[David Lee Corbo]

Redeemable and never completely inflation proof.

[Topher]

But you need a top lobster corn.

[Co-host]

That's true.

[David Lee Corbo]

We have to diversify. You got to diversify your portfolio.

[Co-host]

That'd be like an N word call.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's worth a lot.

[Topher]

Yeah, it's worth a lot.

[David Lee Corbo]

There's not a lot of those in circulation. Yeah, I Mean, nobody would have thought that. Because I remember, you know, even in my limited understanding of, of the economy and the housing market or any of those things, it just became obvious to me through what I was researching that like, okay, this isn't sustainable. This bubble has to pop. The entire economy effectively has to collapse. But they can't. Kept going and going and inflating and inflating and inflating. And it's like now here we are, 20, about 20 years.

[Co-host]

Can we get.

[David Lee Corbo]

About 20 years later, can we get

[Co-host]

back on the idea of killing boomers? That's a given. No, no, the, the idea of the fog, the idea of.

[Topher]

Oh, I forgot to finish that loop. So, yeah, the, the big red herring is the fact that the weaponry, like you've, you guys have covered the Havana Central syndrome.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The discombobulator.

[Topher]

Yeah. Well, that technology has been full on employed by the military, they say. Like the whole thing that happened with Maduro, when you talk, when you see the special ops guys and they were talking about the, the tech that was employed, I think that was the big reveal in that, all of that tech. You know, when, when they essentially did the, the school shutdowns with Kovades and stuff like that.

[Co-host]

Yep.

[Topher]

They installed it everywhere. Like those base transmitters and everything.

[David Lee Corbo]

I hate that. I hate that. There's just discombobulators everywhere.

[Topher]

That technology is going to be linked to our biometrics. And our biometrics are the new security system. So when they, when I say securities, like mortgage backed securities, we're going to have biometric backed securities. And there's no market that's worth billions of dollars that isn't rigged. So the new sign of nature is your biometrics. They've been priming us that forever with having the face ID on your phone or your thumbprint or anything like that. That's the new sign of nature. But what that does is that takes your will out of it. Because in the past when you had to sign a document that the main thing that your signature is showing is that's your will in agreement with said thing. The second you make the sign of nature just being a person's biology, you've taken their will out of it. And I think this is like the big Texas two step that the devil is trying to employ to get people to like consensually agree to all these conveniences. And at the same time, those conveniences are actually what's modulating your biometrics. Because there's a, there's a rule when it comes to Market. The way you have the overall market grow is you always create new markets. So now these new markets that are going to be employed have everything to do with our biometrics. So they'll take men of a certain age and they'll tranch you with all the other men that have like similar, you know, weight, size ratios and stuff like that. And they'll make a security out of it and sell it. They're going to create these new markets. We are going to be on the commodities market market.

[David Lee Corbo]

Do you think this pairs up with that idea that there's like an AI version of you that is based off of like a predictability model?

[Topher]

Absolutely.

[David Lee Corbo]

So they're tracking like all of that.

[Topher]

Like a voodoo doll.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Topher]

So that voodoo, that virtual voodoo doll is literally always impressing a stress on

[David Lee Corbo]

you, you know, so, so this is what's interesting about that, is that model that we're talking about, there's like this AI version of you that exists at all times. It's based off of an amalgamation of like your purchasing habits, your, your, your geo tracking, you know, where you're going daily. And they have this thing that serves as a predictability model for you, among other things, I'm sure. But they can safely assume you're going to be here or do this at any given time. I genuinely think that when shit pops off, you need to be moved by like the Holy Spirit.

[Topher]

Absolutely.

[David Lee Corbo]

You need to be moved by the Holy Spirit. You can't be a predictable creature of nature. You need to really try and tune yourself in, like, what does God want? What is God's plan for you? And you need to really listen to that thing that compels you at any given moment that seems like, external to you.

[Topher]

That.

[Co-host]

What a great callback to the beginning of the conversation about spontaneity, creation.

[Topher]

The living man.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yes. Like, like that thing that was like, you know, we had all that discussion and, and then I hit you up and I was like, dude, I think there's really something here about like the telepathy tapes. And then like every time we happen to touch on a thing, it, it becomes hyper relevant in the future.

[Topher]

Did you guys see the video that Owen and like the group of us did on the telepathy?

[David Lee Corbo]

So hilarious.

[Co-host]

Did you see the Hill? But I was the one who put Owen on to that. Yeah, we were the one who was like, I've been, I've been prompting him like, yo, do this.

[David Lee Corbo]

But Owen takes a different thing. He's like these kids and like, we're insane. We're like, we think that there's actually frequency that these kids are traumatized and disassociated.

[Co-host]

I think he thinks that, too, but he just.

[Topher]

He just.

[David Lee Corbo]

He's such a funny thing on it, though.

[Co-host]

The Hill was. That was. What a great clip. Yeah.

[Topher]

Yeah, that was, like, that. I had that idea because I, like, it was so funny because the way they're always looking for liability shields, and that's what I'm saying is, like, the reason why this is a red herring. What's happening right now is that there's a liability shield. If you think about it, like, why would they give us information? I always used to say that to my.

[David Lee Corbo]

Great question.

[Topher]

I always used to say that to my dad because my dad had so much pride with watching the news. And I'd be like, why would they tell us about war strategy? You know, even as a little kid, I was like, like, the enemy can hear this. Yeah. Isn't the enemy watching this?

[David Lee Corbo]

And, like, enemy doesn't have access to Fox News.

[Topher]

I know.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, somebody hit me up recently, and they're like, oh, the DOJ didn't release it? They were forced to release it. Oh, yeah, the DOJ was forced to. Because patriots are in control, right? Like, come on, dude.

[Topher]

No, it's the demoralization of the West. Like, when you agreed. When you look into the majority of the. The early 20th century, like, early 1900s, all those massive. What do they call it, philanthropy, you know, trusts and things like that.

[David Lee Corbo]

Okay.

[Topher]

They all were communists, and they all had. Like, in 1951, they had this. This congressional hearing, essentially bringing in the. The Gutenheim foundation, the Rockefeller foundation, like, all the. The Carnegie Foundation. And they were like. They were absolutely all. Every single one of them had the same minutes in the same plan. And the plan was one to infantilize the adult population, one to rewrite history.

[Co-host]

By the way, in what year was this? 51.

[David Lee Corbo]

1951.

[Topher]

It was called. It was called the. It was called the Reese Commission. You can look up. Look it up. One of the best videos I've ever saw. This the best conspiracy. Like, when people ask me, where should I start with conspiracy videos, I always tell them, look up G. Edward Griffith Griffiths. It's 1988. He did a video with, I believe, his. Norman Dodd, Senator Norman Dodd. And Norman Dodd was the lead on the Reese Commission. And it moved me so much when I saw this in the early 2000s, because here's an old man at the end of his life lamenting how fall. How. How far we had fallen, and in

[Co-host]

that I was born in 1988.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's crazy.

[Topher]

But here he's talking about something from 1951.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right? Crazy.

[Topher]

And so he said his lead council went crazy because when they got into the minutes of every single one of these foundations, all the minutes were the same. So that means this was a. This was, this was a conspiracy. This is a full on attack. And these were the people that were the best of society. The people that were supposed to be giving us the museums and the libraries and all that.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, the philanthropists.

[Topher]

She went nuts. The lead council went nuts because literally their. One of their first primary directives was to. To one, infantilize the adult population and two, was to rewrite history. Like, what we know of history is not history.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, for sure. Yeah, that's. Dude, I was unable to focus in school at all. I was good at language arts, I was good at science. I was not good at history. That was my. My. Dude, I couldn't because I'm like, something about this feels so. All of it just felt like such.

[Co-host]

Know when you're being lied to in a certain.

[Topher]

Exactly.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, I can't list. You're gonna tell me the history of the world. You know what I mean? Like, I'm just gonna sit in this class and you're gonna tell me how everything definitively went down. Like, get the hell out.

[Topher]

And at the same time, they will tell you, they'll give you these like incredible quotes like, history is a lie to read upon. And then they'll go ahead and test, you know, that's a lie. I should just write lie, lie, lie.

[David Lee Corbo]

Hey, I, I agree though. It's a demoralization campaign. And I think, you know, we were talking about this whole first half of the show was about like the boomer mind.

[Topher]

Did you kick the pores out yet?

[David Lee Corbo]

They're disgusting.

[Topher]

Dude, that's my favorite thing when you do that.

[David Lee Corbo]

You don't feel cleaner now. And you didn't notice that all of a sudden.

[Topher]

But I, I like when you actually did make the deck.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, well, they get a little whiny. They go, yeah, I've been.

[Co-host]

We've been doing it a little different where we do it sneaky. And they go, hey, what happened?

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Co-host]

And then they have to figure out themselves.

[David Lee Corbo]

They think the Jews are just constantly. And they say that every time they're like something. They'll hop in the chat and they'll be like, I was watching on YouTube. The whole stream went away.

[Co-host]

What happened?

[David Lee Corbo]

Did somebody take you down?

[Co-host]

Yeah, you know what happened? Your income.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. Your report, your filthy board.

[Co-host]

So.

[David Lee Corbo]

So I. I think the demoralization is very obvious, but there's another thing I want to get your thoughts on. Top and I were kind of kicking this ball around Top, you brought it up. And I was like, man, keen insight. Ed Mabry kind of laid the groundwork for it with this idea that there would be a normalization. Right now, whatever is going on in these files, certainly a great deal of it is a lie. Certainly the world has been doing this for a long time. So there's huge elements of truth as well. Hard to parse out what's real, what's not. It's going to really dishearten people. Maybe. Yeah. The economy falls apart, people take their lives, A lot of things could happen. But I do think that the normalization of some of these practices is something that we might come to see, to pass. So within all these pagan societies, you know, Greeks and Sumerians, et cetera, these practices weren't even obfuscated. Right. They were just part of the normal comings and goings of everyday life. I think. I think the public was probably very aware. Oh, in the temple, they're doing sacrifices of the virgin, and they're. And they're doing this. And they're child sex slaves. You name it. Nothing new under the sun. And so we start to wonder, are we going to get to a place where that happens again? And Top brought it up on another episode that he's like, oh, man, people are going to start doing this openly to some degree. And I think the cornerstone of that is, like, if they reveal you can bend the fabric of reality by raping and torturing children in a ceremonial fashion, most people are going to go, what the.

[Co-host]

What? First off, do you believe that raping and torturing children bends the fabric of. Of reality?

[Topher]

I think trauma does.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

Okay.

[Topher]

So there's different ways of traumatizing people. And I do know the energetics very, very well of, like, you know, there's a reason why, you know, people mostly are fascinated with youth. Like, why most energy goes to youth is because youth gives the most energy. So it's no surprise to me that there has been a concerted effort to have, like, these farms of kids that.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Topher]

Where. Because these people that are soulless, they have no living energy in them.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Topher]

So they have to be vampiric by nature. They actually have to go after that which has the highest energy density. It's like a great white shark. Right. They show that great white sharks, they won't eat a person, they'll go up and bite them. And then they instantly understand that they are not enough calories to expend. It would take more calories expending to eat a human than a sea lion. So they just, they usually bite them and let them go.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Topher]

So you lose an arm or a leg. But they're not malicious, these vampires. They're like the, the, the, the seal, the, the good blubber. Like the good energy for us are the youth.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Topher]

And that's why they attack the youth.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, you see that on a materialistic, you know, paradigm where it's like take the blood of young mice injected in old mice, and the old mice will exhibit attributes of, of, you know, being younger, more, you know, exuberant, whatever, higher energy levels. Y. So that's on the materialistic thing. That's, that's just the nuts and bolts of it. It seems that young blood works pretty effectively, but there's a spiritual implication. It seems that these entities that benefit off of the sacrifice and the trauma of children can alter the fundamental building blocks of reality to a certain degree. They can kind of bend things and make things happen in the physical realm for you through some sort of like spiritual push. I think people find that out. There'd be a huge percentage of the population that goes like, okay, wait a second, what do you mean? What can be achieved if you do this, you know, in the name of science? Horrifying things have happened.

[Topher]

Right.

[David Lee Corbo]

And I actually have a video that I want to put on. Hopefully the, the audio works, but. Because I think it exemplifies this, this ambition in man pretty, pretty acutely. But you don't have to be a scientist. Right. There's going to be any run of the mill person who formerly did not believe that reality can be bent to your will in some short term way. Right. Short term gains financially, otherwise, whatever, through the. Traumatizing, the sexual assault, the, the murder, the ritualistic sacrifice of pure sacrifices, pure entities. Right. Like, you know, the lamb or, or the child or the little girl in the white dress, whatever. There are going to be people that are going to go, what?

[Co-host]

Yeah, that works.

[David Lee Corbo]

That works. Let's bring. Can we bring this up first before we go? Because I want to show this and I think this would be a great. So this comes from Champagne Joshi. I don't know who the hell he is, but he says, listen to this piece of work. His name is John demartini. He does not think evil exists. He believes women invite rape into their lives and that they are upside. There are upsides. To the murder of children. Oh, by the way, he's also in the Epstein files. And this is Aubrey Marcus. He's the owner of. On it.

[Co-host]

Oh, right. That's why I recognize.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yes, he's kind of a fascinating character. I don't know what to make of him, but it is.

[Co-host]

Hopefully we can hear this.

[Topher]

Yeah, everybody who's been raped attracted it into their life.

[David Lee Corbo]

Anytime you're addicted, we just start that. Can you guys hear this in the chat? I just want to make sure before we go off with a. With a minute and a half, because otherwise I'll just.

[Topher]

I'll.

[David Lee Corbo]

I'll give the short and long of it. All right, I'm gonna let it rip. There's nobody say anything. This guy needs a full broomstick in his ass. Okay, that's not. That's not relevant.

[Co-host]

That's not helpful.

[David Lee Corbo]

I'm gonna go ahead and play it then. Screw it.

[Topher]

This question. Everybody who's been raped attracted that rape. 1300 cases of pedophilia and the children attracted the.

[David Lee Corbo]

The pedophile. You really want to go there? Let's go. This guy has by. By the way, physiognomy, just on full. Blair. This is a bizarre looking character. Yeah. 13. 13. What do you say? 13,000 instances of child rape.

[Topher]

Rape.

[David Lee Corbo]

And these kids invited it into their lives. All these things that we label good and bad have been labeled good or bad, depending on who you're taking sides with.

[Topher]

I have a really hard time with this. If I went home today and somebody was assaulting my wife, I would forcibly stop it.

[David Lee Corbo]

Probably because you would probably 100. I wouldn't say maybe this is his belief. You're going to react in that setting exactly proportion to your moral morality at the time. If you see what he's doing as evil, you're going to do what you can to stop him. But it is evil in your perception. It will be.

[Topher]

It's not okay to beat a child to a pulp. It's not okay to sexually assault a child. There is something actually fundamental inside of us that is on a driving force towards life. Love, freedom, the experience to live this beautiful world. And if somebody is intentionally interfering with that, we have an obligation. Obligation to try and prevent or stop it. You can override your impulses. I've wanted to hit somebody and not done it.

[David Lee Corbo]

You've repressed it inside yourself and then attacked your customers right here in front of me. You're basically. Well, you're basically taking information that goes against what you say. And you're saying, I'm just going to refuse to put it on my show because of it. It's like a fight to you. It doesn't match your belief system. So you're ready to fight. Your hands are shaking when you say that you're going to not go any further on a podcast because of what I'm saying. Because fundamentally challenges you and you're wanting

[Topher]

to know because it's putting out information that I think is detrimental to the world.

[David Lee Corbo]

I'm not going to pacify my, my research for any human being on this planet. Nobody. The reality is that there's upsides to that event.

[Topher]

There's upsides to the murder of children.

[Co-host]

Yes.

[David Lee Corbo]

There's upsides to it. I think. Boom.

[Topher]

Whoa.

[David Lee Corbo]

There's upsides to the murder of children. I'm not going to pacify my research for any human being on this planet.

[Topher]

You use the term. There's so many tells, like when people use the word global or they call human being. Yeah. That they're actually. There's like some sort of demonic force that's working on them that, you know, it's like Legion.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yes, yes, yes.

[Topher]

Legion sees not, not the situation. It goes human being.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Topher]

It does that thing.

[David Lee Corbo]

But that, that mindset. Right. I guess it's what it is is it's reducing human empathy and care for, you know, the innocence of children to an emotional roadblock that stops progress. Which is kind of an interesting theme that's come up on this show a lot recently. Like people that are standing in the way of progress. Progress being technological or scientific or otherwise,

[Co-host]

whatever is moving forward no matter what.

[Topher]

That's like the big thing I've been trying. That's where I can educate very well. Is like my business is carbon. There has been a carbon deficit. And all of the social engineering is anti carbon. Ooh, greenhouse gases, too much population. That's all anti carbon. But yet when you go to anywhere in the world and you look at the soil, the one thing it's lacking is carbon. Like the main thing it's lacking is carbon. And it's all social engineering. Like you have a guy like, oh, you know, they want us to be silica based life forms. If you go back to like the. The original Star Trek. The original Star Trek with V'Ger Voyager.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Topher]

You know, they were like carbon based life forms and the evolution they showed you, the whole technocratic wet dream is we evolve into silica. Now you hear guys like Peter, Thiel and Musk talking about uploading our consciousness into these silica based. I forget exactly what the, the Chipsets are called now, but it's like literally like no, your consciousness can survive in silica. They're literally just extending that start that, that Gene Rodner, Gene Roddenberry, you know, totally induced, like he got hit all of his stuff from the nine.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Topher]

When you look at the nine, which you guys have, you know, got gotten into in the whole Esalen Institute and what they were out there propagating, they like that whole channeled information they made into this science, the science fiction world.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right.

[Topher]

And it's now like coming, they're like saying, no, no, these chipsets, the life extension is all about putting you in silica based chipsets so that you could live on, you could be immortal.

[David Lee Corbo]

That, that sci fi world also is what's giving us the main running narrative for what, for what aliens are, is these things run in tandem.

[Topher]

Exactly.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's this huge deception. It's not that. It's not, not based in some sort of truth. It's more based in a reality they hope to achieve.

[Topher]

Right.

[David Lee Corbo]

Which is satanic, it's Luciferian.

[Co-host]

But I kind of want to get into some alien talk and what you think about it, but I wanted to ask you a question pertaining to this idea like the biometrics being a form of consent.

[Topher]

Right.

[Co-host]

Because I, I think that you're 100. Right. All that stuff like where do you agree to the policy and you kind

[David Lee Corbo]

of agree all the policies.

[Co-host]

So that's like, that is a level detachment from me signing my name physically and reading it and agreeing and being in compliance with whatever was said there. The reason that this is done, in my opinion is because we live in a, we live in a physical world, but there is a spiritual realm right underneath or on top of it, or existing and.

[Topher]

Yeah, interlaced.

[Co-host]

Interlaced with it. And the rules of both of these things are they're very legalistic.

[Topher]

Yes.

[Co-host]

And I guess God has made the rules and he has said you have to do XYZ in order for this to go on. On.

[Topher]

Right.

[Co-host]

So these entities, the malevolent ones, need this consent. Do you think that, do you think biometrics, especially in this form, are we talking about like, I don't know, things released in a, in an odd fog that, that can now track your health or like shut you down, depending on. Oh, but you've consented to it. But you've consented to it by using your phone. Do you think that that's actually legally, spiritually binding? Like do they have enough, enough weight behind the consent form, which is, I

[Topher]

think I Think it's very specific to each person because each person has different strongholds relative to their family.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Topher]

Each person has made, you know, different agreements. You know, I did a, I did a poll in my, in my, you know, my little chat to see how many people knew where their great grandparents came from, because I did this, a couple podcasts on cloning and things like that. That. And dude, most people do not know past, you know, their great grandparents or the great grandparents. When they would look into it. Their great great grandparents were, let's say, an incubator baby or were a foundling or were, you know, one of these, you know, kids that were brought to the Midwest on the trains in the turn of the 20th century. And a lot of the people were surprised because part of the thing that those, those philanthropic institutions were doing was to write a new history. You have to separate the family. And so that's why they allowed the United States to be a diaspora where they would continually move people away and like, oh, this corporation now opening a thing there, you're gonna have a better life over here. And so it created this diaspora where it was, it was engineered where families wouldn't be close knit.

[Co-host]

Sure. That's interesting.

[David Lee Corbo]

Is that model, like, unique to the US Because I know that within, in American culture it's, it's very common to be like, I'm going here for work.

[Topher]

Right.

[Co-host]

He's also mentioning the, I think the Cabbage Patch Babies.

[Topher]

Yeah, the Cabbage Patch Babies. Like that, that whole scenario, like there's so many people. And then when you also look at one of the ugly sides of feminism, which there was this incredible documentary I saw in like 1997, was done by the Discovery Channel where they were actually, they did a 10 year study on. It was supposed to be a 10 year study on women's. What type of contraception they used. And it was done in the UK and what they found about three or four years into that study, they had to switch it into women's mating habits because most of the time that women would cheat, they wouldn't use contraception.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, interesting.

[Topher]

And so they extrapolated with that data and obviously it was only 10,000 women in the UK per se. They extrapolated from that data that From World War II forward over in, in Europe, over 50% of, of people came from a different father than they thought. So not only. And this is the thing, I know this to be true. Like when people are embarrassed, they make up shit.

[David Lee Corbo]

They lie. Yeah.

[Topher]

And how many women do we know through feminism and whatever, you know, did the abortions, did whatever. There's so many things like that that people have. Don't understand that their perception, like they're reaching back into antiquity is like a very brief snippet. Yeah, there's a. There is like, such a small percent. And I, like one of my favorite philosophers, he said he was like a woman, a mother always knows who her children are. A father, not so much.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, yeah. Well, there's. There's that lady that. There's like a really famous case of some sort of evil nurse who was like. I don't know if it was the 90s, early 2000s, but over her career she had swapped, like. I don't even know. It was like hundreds of children.

[Topher]

Oh, that's so terrible.

[David Lee Corbo]

In the nursery, in the. Yes, that's what you call it.

[Co-host]

It was an IVF doctor as well. That was just inside. I forgot his name.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, yeah, he's dumping his own load. Codes.

[Co-host]

Yeah. And I mean, he had, like, thousands.

[Topher]

And you look into the eugenics things, man. Like the eugenics things, like with the. The Epstein drop and everything like that.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, dude.

[Topher]

The. The eugenics thing is literally, like. It's so much bigger than people know. And what I think is happening is, is a lot of these people that are opting to stay inconvenienced, the people that are actually opting to be in Mammon, I think it's because they are of the line. They are of that. That genet, where that's what's comfortable for them.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Topher]

And then you have those that. It's uncomfortable.

[David Lee Corbo]

What's. What's comfortable for them?

[Topher]

Like, they're downlined to the Nephilim.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right. But. But what is it that's comfortable for them?

[Topher]

Being in Mammon?

[David Lee Corbo]

Being in Mammon, but specifically, like, siring other or not worrying about who's.

[Topher]

No, I'm saying, like, right now we all look at each other and we think we're all the same.

[Co-host]

Right.

[Topher]

That's not the case.

[David Lee Corbo]

Why? 10% black? So fine.

[Topher]

No, like. Like when you, like. I know this for a fact, like, people are very different. So one of the biggest things that's ever been foisted on us is the, The. The notion that one. We experience all the same thing.

[Co-host]

Oh, sure.

[Topher]

But the truth of the matter is we. You, the three of us could all be looking at something in the sky and we're all getting it from a different geometry because none of us can, like, overlap each other.

[David Lee Corbo]

Sure.

[Topher]

And we're all getting it through the. Our own filter, through our own frame. Framework.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Topher]

And that's like, that's it for every. Everyone.

[David Lee Corbo]

Do you think, do you subscribe to that notion? And I'm, I'm, I'll get ahead of it and say I don't, but when people say you and another person are the exact same, it's just a nature versus nurture thing. If you had the same exact set of experiences etc that that person had, then you would be the same as them. But I don't think that that's true. I think there's a fundamental.

[Topher]

There's no such thing.

[David Lee Corbo]

There's a uniqueness. Yeah, there's a uniqueness. You know when, when God says, before you were in your mother's womb, I knew you. Right. Is that how that goes? It's like, I think there is a uniqueness. We're all made in a very particular way. That's why you can have like kids that are raised in the same household with the same parents that go through all the same, but they're drastically different. And they're different almost from their inception. Well, sometimes from their inception. Right.

[Topher]

I'll tell you what, like I've been around parents that consciously had their children all the way from inception to around like the happy accident and then the unhappy accident. Accident. And when you see the differences in those kids, it's tremendous.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Topher]

Almost every time where it was like the child was wanted and like there was like the whole push for it, those children have a different light in their eyes where when you have the unhappy accident, those kids are like, they have a curse on them. They, they literally go through a harder time in life because they're, they're dealing with the energetics of like I'm the redheaded stepchild, even though they're not redheaded stepchild. Right, right. Like, they're dealing with this like less than energy because the, the parental energy and everything like that is like, you

[David Lee Corbo]

know, it's totally different. Yeah, yeah, it's totally different. Like, even if you try to police that behavior, there's an energetic exchange that you're not going to be able to mitigate. There's only so much of a face you can put on.

[Topher]

Right.

[David Lee Corbo]

Let's say. Right. Or like, but if, if it's, if it betrays the nature of how you feel inside, how you feel inside is still going to be an energetic exchange. And that's going to, to lead, leave some long lasting imprint.

[Topher]

And that's one of the follies of good people, is good people will project. This is the way I love my kids. Everybody Loves their kids. Incorrect.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right?

[Topher]

That is not true.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, yeah.

[Topher]

And I knew so many girls when I was coming because I. I grew up in South Florida where the Epstein girls were being pulled from.

[David Lee Corbo]

Sure.

[Topher]

At the time he was doing it. And I could tell you from the South Florida culture at the time, I bet you a lot of those girls were willing to go there. Like. Sure that.

[Co-host]

Because I know something crazy.

[David Lee Corbo]

Get lulled into that, like pre influencer, like, you know, this influencer wants to sit on a yacht and take pictures of her ass and everything. And you think that that doesn't come with a price. How many girls you know went into this because they wanted to live a lavish love lifestyle. Exactly. Hang out with playboy philanthropists, do all this. And all of a sudden, next thing you know, you're being trafficked and it's like. Yeah. I mean, you know, you put yourself like, when I was younger, I spent zero time in bars, I spent zero time in clubs. My mother told me, when I was young, nothing good happens past 10 o' clock at night. Yeah. And I had a lot of run ins with violence and the police and stuff when I was like, before I was 20. So before I even hit 21, I already was like, not for me not doing it, but all the friends and it's like, you know, it goes back to this conversation. It's like, is everybody asking for. Asking for it is a you is a. An interesting way to frame it. They don't know what they're asking for. They think they're getting into one thing and they're willingly blind to all the other shit that comes with it.

[Topher]

Here's the thing that the boomers do not want to take. They don't want to take responsibility for. When I was in high school, the black girls were being told by their mothers to have babies because on the federal level, every baby that their child had, they got an extra $800 a month.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yes.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Topher]

So mama was only like 32 or 30 while her baby is having babies and she's getting all the money and she's driving in the Caddy with the big rims and getting her hair, dude. Getting her hair did and getting the big nails. This was happening in 1990.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, yeah. And it only gets worse.

[Topher]

91. And so, like, it was indemn. Like it was completely sanctioned. This wasn't an accident.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, but somebody in the chat said, $800 a month ain't shit until you in 1990. And when you have four kids.

[Topher]

No, no, you have, you have four kids. And those four kids are having four kids and they're all living within like your little apartment in Lauder Hill, Florida. And you're getting like thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars a month.

[David Lee Corbo]

What's your rent back in the day? Right?

[Topher]

Because their rent was paid for, their food was paid for and they were getting the money for the extra kids.

[David Lee Corbo]

And then the hip hop industry is co opted and it's ball and out of control and it's showing them this image that they want to emul.

[Co-host]

Where I grew up. Yeah, man, you'll see like Porsche Cayenne Turbos parked outside of the projects.

[Topher]

Right.

[Co-host]

Fun fact I was going to mention. Not only was I born in Seagate or my, my family's first house or their. That's where Epstein was born. And then it turns out I looked up some more. It was like PS188. That's where I went to elementary school. And then Mark Twain, where I went to junior high school, he also went out. Yeah, we, we differentiated on the high school. But I'm like, oh my God.

[David Lee Corbo]

Like I. I've started thinking back to like my own. I want to find out like if my grandfather, my great grandfather was a Mason or something. Because now obviously, like serving in World War II. Well, serving in World War II is like, you know, everybody did. So that's not really like a. The mar was like saying like that my, my father, my grand, my great grandfather was in the military. Is not like a huge reveal, but just my grandmother and all the weird with her and the paperwork on remote viewing and the abduction experiences with the aliens. I'm like, something happened. Like, something happened you were part of. Like, you don't just get that back in the day. It's just weird how all this shit, like, it feels like the reveal of the Epstein files is like not only were all the programs that you suspected were real, actually real, but that they were much more integrated, you know, with, with society and the school systems and everything than, than maybe people are willing to give credit to. It just feels like it was all. Because when I was in, in school, we had those trailers. You know, he's like, you go to a separate trailer and you, you put the headphones on and you drink the pink drink. I never drank a pink drink, I don't think. But we had those trailers with all the computers inside of them and shit. I'm like, I don't know, man. Like, it all just feels so much closer to everybody. Then maybe we like to think it's far away. In other words, we're doing.

[Topher]

We're doing a festival. Like. Like, it's sort. It's like. You guys do Bohemian Grove.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Topher]

We're doing the Elementals gathering in Missouri. And when I look at my roster, which is like a banger roster, you have like, Owen Benjamin, Emily Moyer, myself, Alex Zach, Sabrina Wallace, Chris Crutchfield, we were all in those programs.

[David Lee Corbo]

Really?

[Co-host]

I was, too. Yeah. The fifth grade was a Sigma program. And as a matter of fact, very.

[David Lee Corbo]

Sigma is a cooler name.

[Co-host]

Sigma was cool. Yeah. But it's like, it was gifted and talented, so gate. I. I suppose, but. Mr. Darvik. Shout out Mr. Darvik. He's dead now.

[David Lee Corbo]

He was the raper. He raped the.

[Co-host]

He was a fifth grade teacher and he was like, like, yeah, no, come to turn. I was like, oh, is a groom. It was never like, obvious like that, but it was. It was an aspect of grooming. Because years later, when I think I broke this, I broke the programming. I. I was friends with him on Facebook, and I'm seeing what he's posting on Facebook, and I was like, you sound like Solinsky. Like, you're. You're writing things like that. And I was like, how long has this been going on? I started to question him.

[David Lee Corbo]

They probably don't even think it's nefarious. It's just, like, cutting edge.

[Topher]

Right.

[Co-host]

He got mad at me because I was like. I was like, what is this? What is. Like, how long have you been doing this?

[Topher]

And.

[Co-host]

And you're teaching fifth grade kids? He's one of the best educators as well, because, like, he had a very good way of teaching people. But I'm like, what were you doing?

[David Lee Corbo]

Right?

[Co-host]

Like, what were the subliminals that you're programming these kids with? Like, you're bringing them to? Like, we did field trips to FDR's house, and we learned the complete wrong history about what this guy was doing, doing, and, you know, the New Deal, all this stuff like that. And I was like, you're teaching us from this. This angle and this perspective, which was leftist, but then it kind of turns out to be Marxist. But then I started to think, and I was like, is this like a government? Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

He probably just is in love with this. You think so?

[Co-host]

Yeah, I think he did. Because when I did call him on it, he was like, I'm very upset with you that you would even think this way.

[David Lee Corbo]

He tried to block kids.

[Topher]

But that's the boomer thing that's going to happen. Because imagine, like, people will disassociate when they feel guilt so this guy, imagine he was teaching all this stuff for years and years and years, and he had gotten accolades and he had been looked up to. And then there's the switch where he realizes, oh, my God, I've been lying to these kids this entire time. And not only was I lying, I was lying in a way that's so detrimental to them, because for all the positive people that turned out from the programs, like you too, how many of the kids did he know that he affected in a negative way?

[David Lee Corbo]

How many of those kids are schizophrenics on the street?

[Topher]

Right.

[Co-host]

How many of them are just working in corporate America doing what they're supposed to do?

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, yeah. Affecting the culture the way they're supposed to.

[Co-host]

That's kind of what I was doing for a while until I was like, wait a second. None of this makes any sense.

[Topher]

Yeah, right.

[Co-host]

You know, it's like. And then you start to deny one reality, and it's.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's. It's a.

[Co-host]

It's a healthy thing. I could see how people can die in your older age, but once you realize that the paradigm that you've grew up in, that reality doesn't. It never existed. It's all been a falsehood. I've got to kill that. That's got to die. And that's part of your ego. And if you kill that, then you find the next one, and you kill the next one, then the next one, next one, then you're kind of left with nothing. And then you build from there.

[David Lee Corbo]

I'm so glad that it happened to me when I was young, because when you're young, you have a healthy hatred for that system. So I was glad to see it die. I was glad to see that there was something else, even if that something else was nefarious. And to find out that all these systems that I hated were levied against me, that was like a sigh of relief, because it's like, oh, this isn't how it's supposed to be, you know, and supposed to be a little bit weird because the world is always going to be world. And, you know, so if it wasn't screwed up in this way, it would have been screwed up another way. But I didn't. I wasn't programmed to love this system because I think this system, you know, to use Mike Tyson's terminology, it fucks you till you love it. And that's what these boomers have. They've been fucked into loving this system thing. And because it's, you know, bearing all this fruit, if you just Bend and you conform. It will bear fruit for you.

[Co-host]

Sure.

[David Lee Corbo]

It'll destroy your relationship with your family and all that other, but it'll bear fruit. You got that yacht, baby boy. You know, you can go on these cruises. You can do all this. You got your little golf cart which are, you know, loofah. That indicates who. What you're sucking and who you're. That kind of a deal. But I think that I was blessed to have it broken when I was a kid because that, that paradigm, that system wants to break you so that you're an effective cog in the machine. And that's why I think a lot of the, like the rock, that was like 80s 90s, early 2000s, you know, it got co. Opted. It became gay in the early 2000s. But that like shuck the system and rebel kind of thing. Well, this is what is good to a degree.

[Co-host]

Matt talks about that. I want to ask you about your. Your festival, the Elemental festival. I want to hear a little more about it. But Matt talks about this a lot when he's talking about people who are actual Christians or people who are like really genuine people. He's like, they're all drug addicts.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yes.

[Co-host]

In a way, they realize they're not of this world.

[Topher]

They have to buffer.

[David Lee Corbo]

They're freaking out.

[Topher]

They have to buffer.

[Co-host]

Absolutely. So they, they use this medium to operate in a realm where they're. Because they're like, this reality doesn't match up with what I understand.

[Topher]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

And I get that, like these are actual real people and they have. They have to buffer with something to cope. But I think the more that we're coming, it's such a strange period because we're coming into this. This almost as they're. They're breaking this paradigm of the old reality. We're seeing like the veil and you're seeing what reality is. A lot of people are. And they're ready to pull the. Pull the next set up, you know?

[Topher]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Co-host]

We're in this nice medium time.

[David Lee Corbo]

Patriots. Patriots that are in control. The white hats.

[Topher]

Yeah, yeah, it's prime. The. The pump is definitely primed and it's been primed for quite a bit.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Topher]

And it's just like, like the, the whole thing with the change of an age that when you look at it historically, for as much as we can trust history, when there is a change of the age, there is an actual change of the guard. Like there's an actual percentage of the population that does not make it.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

And I mean, this is Georgia Guidestones, right?

[Topher]

I mean, well, Georgia guidestones, I mean, are amazing. Like, in black magic, when they want to, like, you know, reinforce the sigil, they destroy it.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Interestingly enough, in the moments leading up to its destruction, there was, like, clearly evidence of a. Like, a giant bloodletting on the top of it, which is hard. You got to get on top of the stone.

[Topher]

Really? I haven't heard that.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. So I don't know if it was, like, what the time frame was shorter than a year, maybe within a month. Giant, you know, I guess, puddle. Puddle of blood on top of one of the stones, like something had been dragged up there and killed. So as a sacrifice, you know?

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Topher]

They even did that at cern, like, when they kicked off with cern and they did that whole ritual.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Topher]

Whether it was real or not. Yeah, yeah. In front of Shiva.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. The destroyer. She's cool. So. I mean. Yeah, I don't. I don't. I. I think that I saw something within the file. No, it wasn't in the files. It was actually something that came up from 4chan 2019, and it's making the rounds on. On Twitter again. I don't know if I could find it, but it's anonymous. People talking about dudes, like, I'm an operative. I'm not going to say in what. Hold on. Maybe I can find it real quick. 4chan. It's always so risky as you look for that.

[Co-host]

I wanted. When is the. When is the elemental festival?

[Topher]

It's May 8th through the 10th, and it's in Missouri. It's just outside of Springfield, Missouri. And we have, like, a banger of a lineup. I mean, if you want to pull it up. It's the elemental. Elementalsgathering.com. i always forget to tell people about it, but we have Eileen McKusick, we have Dr. Andrew Kaufman. You guys should have him on. He's.

[David Lee Corbo]

He's just been.

[Topher]

Sounds familiar.

[David Lee Corbo]

Andrew Kaufman.

[Topher]

He's the one that's, like, banging on viruses, not being real.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, that'd be cool. Terrain theory.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

Fascinating.

[Topher]

Yeah. The last time we spoke, I was going to the Torinology Conference. That's right.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right.

[Topher]

And you guys are going through the roster of that.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I. That's. That's a fascinating theory, one that we haven't talked about much on this show, but I would like to. Maybe we should reach out.

[Topher]

He's just. He's a. Literally, a forensic psychologist and a forensic doctor. Like, that's. He. He goes into court cases, so this guy is impeccable. With how he goes through evidence. And he's just a. He's a brilliant person to speak to the Elementals Gathering. Yeah. Look at. Look at our roster. Who we have have like, let's go

[David Lee Corbo]

through that a little bit. Tickets available.

[Topher]

Yeah. So Owen's gonna be there. It's on his property. And we got Matt Presti, Alex Z, Steve Young.

[David Lee Corbo]

And you said you found out just through happenstance that all these people were part of the. Some.

[Topher]

Not all of them.

[David Lee Corbo]

A lot of them.

[Topher]

Not a bunch of them. Like a bunch of us that were. All of us that were in our 40s. Chris Winters, Emily Moyer.

[David Lee Corbo]

Like brother Marty Leeds went with the childhood photo.

[Topher]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. That's funny.

[Topher]

Marty's awesome. He's my neighbor.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, really?

[Topher]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Topher]

Dr. Moshe, Daniel, Adam, Steven. Yeah, it's just a great line.

[David Lee Corbo]

When is this?

[Topher]

May 8th through the 10th.

[David Lee Corbo]

May 8th.

[Topher]

Have you guys heard of the Universe podcast? Our. Our MC is Chance Garten of the Universe podcast.

[David Lee Corbo]

I've not heard of the Universe. I would love to go to this. My son's Birthday is the 7th.

[Co-host]

Oh, this guy here?

[Topher]

Yeah, right in the middle there. He's our mc.

[Co-host]

We should probably just interview all these people.

[David Lee Corbo]

That'd be great.

[Topher]

No, they're all awesome. Kyle. Den. Like, I have a. I would think like five or six of them are naturopath.

[David Lee Corbo]

What's the goal of this? What's the focus of the. What are you guys gonna be talking about? Oh, and then blue steel crushing.

[Topher]

Yeah. Yeah. I. I wanted everybody to did their profile pick with blue steel and nobody did it.

[Co-host]

Nobody did.

[David Lee Corbo]

One dude was like a childhood photo. Yeah.

[Topher]

Yeah. So the whole thing is actually showing. Each one of us have had a lot of success in life by honoring. By honoring God's creation by. By actually biomimicry.

[David Lee Corbo]

Okay.

[Topher]

And the easiest way you could talk about biomimicry is like, are you mimicking what the elements do?

[David Lee Corbo]

Mimicking systems within nature?

[Topher]

Right. Yeah. Because nature as teacher, like God created nature. Perfect.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right.

[Topher]

If we like, you know, the systems that I implore with, you know, carbon and construction, that's like the earth element and the fire element.

[David Lee Corbo]

Okay.

[Topher]

You know, some other people have the air element.

[Co-host]

So this is like a weekend thing where you guys are camping on the grounds as well. Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's so dope.

[Co-host]

I wanted to go to Bear Terrier

[David Lee Corbo]

and we never get invited.

[Co-host]

I don't want it. No, we got invited, but we just don't have.

[David Lee Corbo]

I would love to go. I would. This is the. The timing is bad because My son, his birthday is right there, so.

[Co-host]

So he'll have another birthday.

[David Lee Corbo]

I'll just bring him to this. I'd be like, happy birthday.

[Topher]

I drove here yesterday. It took us 16 hours to drive. So from. From where that is to here, 16 hours. So you can fly also. Flying into Springfield's easy. From Orlando or whatever.

[David Lee Corbo]

Flying's real short.

[Topher]

I like that. No, it's. It's really cool. Like, I reach out to all these people because of my podcast, because I did the last time we all, like, kicked it. I was going to the terrainology conference, and then the producer of that, she's like, you got to have your own thing. Like, you got to do your own conference. So I just reached out to the people on my roster, and there it goes. And, dude, everybody said yes, except, like, Mike Winner, because he already had something else going on. And, like, one other person.

[David Lee Corbo]

I'm telling you this, you know, Owen's doing it right. This is doing it right. Bohemian Grove is doing it right. We need to. Especially now. It's like, you got to get together in person, be grounded. Right. Like, in reality. Like actually seeing faces and touching people and being there instead of just schizo spiraling on the Internet. Yeah, I think is really important.

[Topher]

That was my whole goal. Like, when I said, like, I had a podcast back in 2015, but I was on the. In a cloud force in Costa Rica, so I didn't have the IRL thing.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Topher]

But, like, that was my goal. I was hearing all these cats, like, you guys out there. You weren't out there yet, but, like, guys like you. And I was like, I need to kick it with these guys.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Topher]

Well, that's the thing.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's isolating to be, you know, now we're in this place of, like, big reveal, and. And these. These things are going to be exposed to people. When I was younger, I was very isolated. Doing this show is like, oh, my God, I get to talk to people

[Topher]

who get it right.

[David Lee Corbo]

Which is so refreshing. It's an. It's. It's an unbelievable additional layer to then meet people in real life who get it right. Like, that is because.

[Co-host]

Not just get it, but he. So you're meeting people in real life who are getting it and doing it,

[David Lee Corbo]

getting it and doing it.

[Topher]

That's the thing that's really important. I've been trying to tell people, like, the one. The one. The. The quote I probably use the most, that's my favorite is all knowledge is learned ignorance until it becomes wisdom. So what happens is People get all this data in their mind, they get all this information, the blitzkrieg of information, and they just keep it at the informational level.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right.

[Topher]

Where you start to transcend all this stuff and have a much better feel in life. You take the information and then you actually use it, application, apply it, and then that's when wisdom comes.

[David Lee Corbo]

Because, yeah, you have a deeper understanding now that you're engaged. You're actually engaging with it on a practical level. And through that process, all sorts of things reveal itself about its nature to you. And that's when wisdom, I think that is.

[Co-host]

Again, that is, like, from what we started talking about here. That is creation. That is spontaneity. But, like, that's what I really love to do. Do you. You get a thing, a microphone or a piece of technology, and you go, can I do with this? Right. So I've got this. This is actually the microphone that I first got when I first started podcasting. And it's like, I put it here because I'm like, okay, humble brag.

[Topher]

Humble brag.

[Co-host]

Humble brag. Well, I mean, I had. I had like a. Oh, the Yeti.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

This was like, when I first started, and this is the one that I'm gonna use.

[Topher]

For real? For real, yeah.

[Co-host]

Because I have now taken this and I've transcended this technology into wisdom. What could this connect to? And then what could that connect to?

[Topher]

And what could I do?

[David Lee Corbo]

The difference between theory and reality.

[Co-host]

Yeah. Yeah. But it's beautiful. Once you start to unravel it and really, like, you can get a thing. I do this. I'm guilty of this. I'll get a thing, and I'll have it there, and I'll sit on it. Because I'm like, I know once I open that up, I have to get that knowledge.

[Topher]

I'm guilty of that, too. And.

[Co-host]

And then figure out how to apply it. Like, my laser machine that you see all the stuff here, I just start. I've had it for six months or so, but I'm like, I know that if I start, this is going to be a rabbit hole. And I'm the type of person that if I can't, I can't just have the knowledge. I've got to figure out how to apply it.

[Topher]

Right.

[Co-host]

And it'll. It'll torture me. Like, I'll be up at night being tortured.

[Topher]

Yeah, well, it shows. You're really good at your craft, man. Like, you're excellent. Like, I. I don't. I don't put that out there. Like, when I. When I compliment people. It's like, for real, because I, I, myself as a builder and somebody that has applied myself at a very high level, you know, like, likes. Like you can kind of see it. You kind of know when the person has it and they're actually applying their knowledge.

[David Lee Corbo]

There is.

[Co-host]

There's.

[David Lee Corbo]

There's a whole body of people out there that are much more comfortable in the theoretical realm, definitely, you know, kicking around these ideas, but never, ever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Did you say libertarians?

[Co-host]

But it's the most beautiful part of it is the application. You can have all the knowledge, but then take it and start to, like, mold it and.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

And use it in an unorthodox way. Way. Like my. All my artwork, the drawings that I do. If somebody saw me doing it on the tablet. Yeah, yeah. Someone that's college trained, they'd be like, that's wrong.

[Topher]

Right?

[Co-host]

And it's like, yeah, it's completely wrong. But I've learned the knowledge and I use it in the way that I like.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, but you have to understand the rules before you can bend them, dude.

[Topher]

That was the same. Like, when I got into dome building, I literally was drawing domes on like, you know, that gridded paper.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Topher]

When I moved to Costa Rica, we had lost all of our money in the financial crash, and it was just like the only way I could build is if I was building for myself. So I read an earthbag building book and I was drawing these beehive domes, and one of my clients came in and he saw it and he looked at it. He goes, that's exactly what I want. And I said, well, if you send me to school to learn how to build it, I'll build it for you. And he did.

[David Lee Corbo]

Wow.

[Topher]

So he sent me to Calarth University. I went and learned the system and then I built it for him. But it was just taking that, like that ethereal idea and then putting it to paper. And you just take one step at a time. And you can do that with anything. You just take that first step.

[David Lee Corbo]

You know what's fantastic?

[Topher]

God will always meet you. He'll be like, oh, you took the step.

[David Lee Corbo]

He likes when you. When you put forth effort, right? Yeah. He likes when you're trying. You know, there is something that is really dangerous about these ideas too, is that expressing them. Them is almost enough of a cathartic release to then couch them.

[Topher]

Yes.

[David Lee Corbo]

And I see people engage in this all the time where it's like, I know more people than I don't know who engage in thing of the dreams. That they have the goals that they. They have the things that they want to achieve. And it seems that there is enough cathartic release in just expressing them that they then just go back to sitting and they don't do it. And I know as well.

[Co-host]

A little bit.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. Yes, a little bit. I think everybody is. But like, you know, how many, for example, how many people I grew up with who want to move here, want to leave this job, go to a new job, want to get out of this town, want to do like, that's like kind of the fundamental things, right? You hate your job, you hate the town, you want to get out, you want to see the world, you want to do a new thing. And then like that bitching about it among your friends over a couple of beers is enough. You turn back and you look at those people. It's been 15 years. They are still there.

[Co-host]

Oh, no, I don't do that. I mean, I'm guilty of like, I can't do that.

[Topher]

Too many irons in the fire.

[Co-host]

Yes, sometimes. But mostly a lot of what I do, which is, I think why the artistic medium kind of works for me, is like I'll have something in my head or my heart, and I was like, that's got to go on paper, right? Or. Or in a way. And then I'll do it. And I'm like, huh, yeah, that's it. And then I'll put it out. And my mom will always. You could ask her today. She's like, this guy never signs his work. I would just draw stuff. And like, he'll never sign his work.

[Topher]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

Because it's not the point of signing it. It's like that I did it and I'm like, oh, yeah, now it's off. And now it's off. And now it's there.

[Topher]

It's a really unburdened by what's really.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, yeah, but it's.

[Co-host]

But I had to put it there.

[Topher]

Real art. Like my. My sister, she's a world renowned graphite artist, and that's what they call the drawing. They call it a relief.

[Co-host]

She better be using biochar.

[Topher]

Well, she does in a way, graphite. She was. She was into graphite drawing way before I was into making graphite.

[Co-host]

Nice.

[Topher]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

It is cold to relief, huh?

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, you have to. I hate being the type of person who says, I'm gonna do a thing like, let's say a pursuit. The podcast is definitely one of them. That's why I did it badly for so long before I finally found any success. Is because I kept talking among my friends like, I want to do this. I want to do this. And I'm. I cannot stand the idea of being a guy who says, I want to do a thing and then doesn't do a thing. The same thing was for moving. It's like, yo, I hate this weather. I hate how expensive, everything. I don't like New Jersey. I gotta get out of here. And people will be like, yeah, man, me too. And I'd be like, cool. So what are you doing about it? Nothing. Like, I can't do that.

[Topher]

I gotta go to Southern New Jersey. You realize that

[David Lee Corbo]

conglomerated here, you know,

[Topher]

Florida is just Southern New York.

[Co-host]

That's right.

[David Lee Corbo]

The weather's better and the pricing is, you know, it's better. It's better. No, I mean, I got friends out there.

[Topher]

But you're amongst all your peers.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, it's the same people. I don't hear. I go. So every day I hear New Jersey accent.

[Co-host]

So, Dave, we have. We actually have another pod coming up in a couple of hours.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yes.

[Co-host]

So I want to wrap this one up with you because it's been two hours.

[David Lee Corbo]

I gotta piss hard.

[Co-host]

Hold it.

[Topher]

I am nice.

[David Lee Corbo]

If I did, it'd be nice and warm.

[Co-host]

I want to get your opinion on the alien phenomenon. We can rap, and then you're gonna hang out for Vicky.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. Yeah, I think that's cool.

[Co-host]

That's the coolest. That's the coolest thing ever.

[Topher]

As long as the wifey isn't calling me in, she can come hang out.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, she can come hang out, too.

[Topher]

I have a. I have the car. Yeah. So the alien phenomenon, it's very interesting, I think. Have you guys heard of Nathaniel Gillis?

[Co-host]

Yeah, he's a friend of the show. He's coming back on. Did he book?

[David Lee Corbo]

He did book. He's booked for March, I think. Yeah, he's. I'm a huge fan of his work. Yeah.

[Topher]

Yeah. So I like how he terms it as the phenomenon.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, it's a great way.

[Topher]

I do think there is a supernatural thing that uses us like a battery. You know, the Matrix analogy is very apropos, but it's not some mechanical thing. It's actually more of some sort of pseudo organic spiritual thing. That intelligence that is part of this realm and it will match you with where you are. And then also what it will do is it will take certain traumas and then funnel them in a way that's advantage. Advantageous to it.

[David Lee Corbo]

Would you agree that the. The energy that this thing is using as a battery is inherently negative. It's not using like super pumped energy.

[Topher]

It's. No, it's taking. It's essentially taking our life force. Because like, you know the. The saying from Dune, like where fear is the mind killer.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Topher]

So it needs you to be in fear because then your mind shuts down. So I had an experience with. This is why I want to have him on my ipod is because was. I had this, what I thought was a demon attack me. And when it attacked me, I had my guardian angel over my right shoulder. And that angel said, take a deep breath. And so this thing is charging me and I almost like died from fear. Like, it. This thing was like. Like hyper scary like any horror movie you've ever seen.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Topher]

Yeah. With the teeth and the whole thing. And I was just like. Like, I literally, like, I did that and it came and then I heard the angel say that. And then I did take a deep breath and then it morphed. It literally stopped. And then it morphed into. And it tried to become attractive to me.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Topher]

And I was like. And then as soon as I saw that it wasn't consistent. I wasn't in fear anymore. I was in my prefrontal cortex. It did this like little like, shady thing and then it disappeared.

[Co-host]

Yep.

[Topher]

And I was like, ah. It really needs. Needs the fear mechanism to have a long enough time.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Topher]

To do what it needs to do. Because if you're in your prefrontal cortex, I think that's why in the Bible it's always about be of sober mind.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Topher]

Because when you do not fear. Do not fear. Like I said 365 times, do not fear. Do not fear. Do not fear. And like, you guys are friends with Brian at Demon Racers? Yeah, we're friends too. And like, he's just like in his work when he really started to like, really come into the authority and the jurisdiction of. Is the Creator.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Topher]

There was. There was no fear. He's like, no, no, no. You're. You're scared of me.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Topher]

And that is the truth.

[David Lee Corbo]

In. In church, we were going over Joshua. Right. Just this past.

[Co-host]

Just.

[David Lee Corbo]

Just yesterday. And you know, be courageous. Be courageous. Do not fear for the Lord. Your God goes ahead of you and. And is with you always. It's like the fear thing over and over and over again. Do not be discouraged. Like, don't even be discouraged. That's it. That's how far. Because discouragement.

[Topher]

The biggest thing I have to teach, like the women in my life is like, stop worrying.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Topher]

You. You're literally Giving in to your internal fears and you're like doing this martyr dance. And I'm like that that's not appropriate.

[David Lee Corbo]

The new age co ops it and says you're manifesting the things that you're afraid of. Like yes, that's true. But this is what I love about the Bible. I think the Bible gets the nature of these things because it's not like you're just manifesting these things. There is an intelligence like you're saying that will present itself. However you're willing to accept at the moment. Whatever's going to be most effective to induce fear or any state of emotion really. Right. Like lust, you know, if it presents as a sexy succubus bitch. Getting you on that sort of old factory setting is also useful. Although I think fear is much more useful for it.

[Topher]

And the quintessence with the Bible, the reason why the Bible is a living doctrine to me me is it gets the quintessence the essence of things.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Topher]

And when you get the essence of things, that's when you're not in, you don't have temporal markers. You, you, you're, you're relevant in every age that there is.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Topher]

And to finish your question, like when it comes to what these like UFOs and stuff are, I think a lot of it's a liability shield for like all the black ops stuff.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, dude. The MK Ultra operations, there's.

[Topher]

But there's also hard hardware up there.

[David Lee Corbo]

Sure, yeah.

[Topher]

Like, you know, I, I know for a fact because I had family in, in military and stuff like that. There's just like there's so much hardware that the general public does not know about.

[Co-host]

Yeah, dude.

[Topher]

And there's so many things that have been autonomous for a very long time that like literally are using all the free energy stuff they took off the market. And like that's like the big tell because you look like we, we were living in like a very free energy style way of life.

[Co-host]

Life.

[Topher]

For a while we've been engineered to think that we're at the, at the top of the food chain.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh yeah. That is now we need Duke Energy got to charge us for all the electricity.

[Topher]

That's incorrect. And like the military has essentially like literally taken so many of these things that would really increase our quality of life.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Topher]

And they're using it to their benefit. And so when we see weird glowy things and stuff like that, it is unidentified to other us, but it's unidentified to us because we're ignorant to it.

[David Lee Corbo]

Isn't it funny that all these things that are pitted against us have this thing in common. They're parasitic in nature.

[Topher]

Yes.

[David Lee Corbo]

And they're parasitic upon us.

[Topher]

That's a great way of putting it.

[David Lee Corbo]

You know, I think you're right about the technology thing. I think there's also though this thing that we've identified as like MK Ultra Intelligence Agency disassociation by way of trauma is also masking itself behind this phenomenon. I think there is a real event that takes place when people are physically taken in the night. I think that does happen. There's precedent for that. And I think that maybe there are actual biomechanical entities that they're presenting you like in the form of grays. But like the reason that people get abducted and there's military personnel, there's scientists, you know, there's medical personnel is because they're being subjected to a version of trauma based mind control. And then your screen memory is like aliens, like you've been abducted by aliens.

[Topher]

And I.

[David Lee Corbo]

So I think, think this thing is really effective of a shield to hide behind to mask all kinds of government, you know.

[Topher]

Yes, absolutely. Yeah, without a doubt. Because I know that there's like, I know so many, I know so many people that have been in, in special projects that, you know, whether it was through regression therapy or even like deep tissue myofascial release massage or whatever, they'll have a full and utter total recall recall. And that movie Total Recall, you look at when that came out in 1990, you know the original one was Schwarzenegger.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Topher]

And like that whole movie.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, really,

[Topher]

that whole movie is about MK Ultra victim that's essentially having a full recall of what his real life is. But he's been used as a, as an unwilling dupe. That movie was like a truth drop even though it's set in Mars and all the other stuff. Like there's so many people that are coming to find out, oh, Uncle Tom, whatever or did this to me or this or this or this or this or like the spec. What was the program that you were in? Sigma program.

[David Lee Corbo]

There's a film that I watched over the weekend. Maybe it was over the weekend and it was called Blink Twice. It's actually really interesting. It's basically rich dude with an island.

[Topher]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

You know, get some girls to come over.

[Topher]

That's totally. That's not. That's not.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's not.

[Topher]

No, no. That can't.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's a fiction. It's a work of fiction. So totally rich dude with an island. There's no precedent for that. And he has these, these chicks on it and there's a bunch of famous people. He's kind of like. It plays a Jack Dorsey type of character, I think. And you know, they think they're having a really good time. They're doing drugs, they're hanging, they're drinking, they're partying. It's like it's virtual paradise. They're there for days upon days upon days. Main character is a girl who is just, you know, from the gutters or whatever. She was actually an employee at the event server. And then they, you know, they fall in love and this is major spoilers but, but she starts to get the sense little idiosyncrasies throughout the days. It's like dirt under her fingernails, she doesn't know how to got there, bruises, shit like that. Eventually what's revealed is there's snake indigenous to the island. Its venom isn't. It's not gonna kill you, but it makes them remember since it's also an indigenous flower to the island. Very interesting actually. I hadn't thought about that. The ecosystem of this island has this, this flower. What's pheromones will make you forget. And it has a snake that's venom will make you remember eventually through a bunch of wild. It's a great movie, highly recommend it. She starts to remember that every night they're. Oh, they're getting blapped up bla them. They go from Guamman to getting blapped every night and then by morning they don't remember remember. And so the whole thing is like this remembrance, this total recall. And I don't know, I just thought that mechanism was really fascinating too that they went with snake venom, you know, because there's certainly some analogy that I'm not adept enough to grasp. You know, you have the serpent and it's venom revealing things to you and then this, this, this flower that makes you forget. But yeah, I mean, I think that that mechanism is probably every. All the research that we do is like the trauma, the disassociation. The disassociation is also what, what helps aid in the. What he says at one point, he goes, the more brutal it is, the less likely they're going to remember.

[Topher]

Yes.

[David Lee Corbo]

Because the more brutal it is, the more they disassociate.

[Topher]

Right.

[David Lee Corbo]

And the more efficacious the, the, the flower is the, the pheromones of the flower which are really, really fascinating concept, but it's, it's like at the root of everything. Which I think is why, you know, these, these if there Are intelligence agencies hiding behind the alien phenomenon? The alien phenomenon is highly, highly traumatizing. Yes, incredibly traumatizing. And so therefore, if, let's say there is a chemical agent that's aiding in the process, you know, even if there's not, the brain's natural mechanism of disassociation from trauma will cause them to forget. And then that's a perfect veil to hide behind while they're BFing you and moving your guts around, doing whatever they're doing, you know, to try to create an altar in you or any, any, any number of things. But yeah, man, I think you're absolutely right. I think that there, there is. Nathaniel Gillis calls it phenomenon. It's great. There is a spiritual application or a spiritual aspect of it, but there is a real nuts and bolts aspect to it.

[Topher]

Absolutely.

[David Lee Corbo]

And there's, there's technology, craft, there's kidnapping, there's all kinds of crap. And I think it's, it's, it's the government, or, you know, blanket term, the government, whatever. It's some wing, some black ops project for sure.

[Topher]

Yeah. And I mean, nobody can deny the fact that to, to, to raise in the corporeal body the corporate structure. Like, say you're a Fortune 500 company. Those corporations are built on the Frankenstein model. They're given living rights. You know, you have these massive corporations and what you find in a lot of these corporations, within those corporations, they have a cult of personality. And a lot of times to raise yourself within the cult of personality. And this is like the big, you know, hidden pink elephant in the room. These little corporations that have all these, you know, just say people that are trying to climb the corporate ladder within the cult of personality, they will do cult like rituals.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Topher]

And that is more CERN and Shiva. Yeah, yeah. There's more that's more common than like, people want to like, go after like, you know, the three two, two or the, you know, FBI or the CIA and all that. Yeah, there is that. But let's like, let. There might be like a penance to pay for all these, all these, like, these people that did trade their morality for, you know, the, the money. Yes. Yeah. And they didn't just trade because, like, you can see all these athletes and all these superstars that did blood rituals.

[David Lee Corbo]

Sure. Yeah.

[Topher]

After, you know, so and so dies. I remember I'm, I'm a football fan because I played football. And I'm not making any accusations. This is all allegedly. But like, you had Andy Reid in Philadelphia. Never won anything. He goes to Kansas City. I Mean, he would go to, like, the championship games, but he never won the big games game. And, like, I remember when it happened, when his son died, everybody. It was, like, immediately brushed under the rug. Like, immediately. Like, nobody talked about the. The horrific way his son died. And then he wins the super bowl and then wins it again and goes back four times. And I'm just like, yeah. And then the only reason why I bring that up. And once again, that's allegedly. I'm not making any accusations is like, there's so many other people. Like Jordan and his father.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. Somebody just. I don't know if that's my actual wife, but. But because people just name themselves whatever. But Ms. Raven says or Mrs. Raven says, Michael Jackson did a booty touch celebration on a little boy yesterday. It was. It was wild.

[Co-host]

I missed that dude. He liked something.

[David Lee Corbo]

He reaches and, like, just grabs the. Out of this kid's ass, and then he puts his hand between his legs and slides it up. Who's this Jordan dude? It's the craziest.

[Co-host]

I'm not getting rid of the shoes.

[David Lee Corbo]

I'm like, I don't know, 100 worth. Worth every baby that bled for these. No, but. And I don't know if it's real, even. It looks very real.

[Co-host]

It's common practice. You're talking about, like, the. The Kanye west thing where his mom gets surgery. Michael Jordan is a Pete. There's a number of people. As a matter of fact, you brought up the Frankenstein principle, which I was just watching Guillermo.

[Topher]

Oh, I want to see that. Was that good?

[Co-host]

I thought it was great.

[David Lee Corbo]

I stopped watching it because it got. There was, like, immediately, like, gay implications. Like, there was, like, a gayness to. Maybe it was like Dr. Frankenstein. And I'm like, why is every. Everybody's got to be gay. Like, I got so upset with it maybe.

[Topher]

Is that a projection?

[David Lee Corbo]

Everything I watch now, I just see myself sitting there in my Hawaiian shirt, my pink veil. Yeah, but there is a gay.

[Co-host]

There's a recurring theme which doesn't happen in. In the book, from what I remember, where they. They add in this element of an angel, a fallen angel. I think it's Archangel Michael that.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

This huge statue of.

[David Lee Corbo]

And as a kid, aesthetically, it was

[Co-host]

like, wow, his mother. His mother dies and. And the angel kind of, like, animates to him in his dream or what he thinks is a dream, and it. It morphs into almost like a demon. But this thing pushes him to become the best surgeon, to figure out the veil between life and death and how to Break that. And then it again re. It revisits him throughout and he actually puts the same effigy in the tower that he's working on to create the new Frankenstein. There is a blood sacrifice of.

[Topher]

Of.

[David Lee Corbo]

Of course, yeah.

[Co-host]

Of his funder, but it's not necessarily like, it's not as direct as, you know, we would like, but there is spilling of blood for this reanimated corpse to come back.

[David Lee Corbo]

I would like my sentimentals to be

[Co-host]

very direct, but it is interesting. It's interesting that he gets this motivation and like the knowledge in a way, like the download from this statue that animates to him in the middle of the night as is this like demonic looking fallen angel. And it's like, yeah, nothing new. They're telling the same story again. So it's like you want this occult hidden knowledge? Well, it's going to be given to you by something else. But there's a price to pay for that.

[David Lee Corbo]

I really wish I could show you. Twitter's down right now, but I'm telling you, like the way Jordan like mashes this kid's cheeks up are. It's. It's bananas because we'll check it out.

[Co-host]

We'll check it out after the show. If I can find it, let's bring it in for a landing here.

[David Lee Corbo]

I gotta piss so hard, I'm gonna die. Life.

[Topher]

That's funny.

[Co-host]

Topher, tell the, tell the people again where they can find you.

[Topher]

Yeah, you can find me. You can buy my product of the black hole Biochar. Spring is coming. So I sell biochar@ Blackwell biochar.com. if you're into construction, you need some domes or some like really cool structures to be built. You can check that [e-mail] and then all my media stuff. Stuff, you know, I'm at Biocharisma. I, I know I have like 18 different monikers. I've had different businesses over the last 20 years. I'm at Biocharismas. My podcast is the Biocharisma podcast. I have all that.

[Co-host]

Well, you'll be. We'll make you collaborator on this when it airs, so.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh yeah, great.

[Co-host]

If you're watching on YouTube, just click his link in the bottom or wherever it will be. But it'll. It'll be on the page. Very easy to do.

[David Lee Corbo]

What about your event? Is there the element?

[Topher]

Oh yeah. The Elementals gathering is being held May 8th through the 10th and that's in just outside of Springfield, Missouri. And it's. The lineup is amazing. Like if you want, like, the gravy train, as Owen Benjamin says it, like that. That's like the. Our. Our lineup is extraordinary for that, so I'm really excited about that too.

[David Lee Corbo]

Very cool. Very cool.

[Co-host]

Yes. That is. That is cool.

[David Lee Corbo]

Are you guys gonna live stream that anywhere?

[Topher]

We're gonna do private live streams because each one of the people there have their own, like. Okay, Their. Their.

[Co-host]

Their.

[Topher]

Their private PMA things.

[David Lee Corbo]

Okay.

[Topher]

So that would be exclusive content for each one of them. Oh.

[David Lee Corbo]

So if they're subscribed to any of those individuals, they'll have a chance to. Oh, that's great. That's awesome. Okay, cool. Check that out then.

[Co-host]

All right. We got to figure out if we can get down there, but thank you for coming down. He's hanging out for another show. It's going to be ridiculous.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. This is exciting. I'm very excited.

[Co-host]

And we'll. We'll make you collaborate on that one too, guys. Great episode today. Great episode right now. Hang out. We'll see you around. Don't forget to obey, submit, and comply. Goodbye.