Nephilim Death Squad, Episode: "Bonkin' the Apple w/ Disagree 2 Agree"
Date: December 18, 2025
Hosts: TopLobsta (Top Lobster) & The Raven (David Lee Corvo)
Guests: Disagree 2 Agree (Aiming Rat & Subliminal Messenger)
Overview
This episode of Nephilim Death Squad dives deep into the pervasive nature of chaos and conspiracy, examining how mythological motifs—particularly the "golden apple" of discord—are woven into modern culture, media, conspiracies, and even psychological manipulation. With special guests Aiming Rat and Subliminal Messenger from Disagree 2 Agree, the discussion considers chaos as both a spiritual force and a cultural technique, exploring whether our obsession with “apples” (distractions, scandals, revelations) serves only to divide and distract.
The hosts and guests deconstruct the origins and propagation of chaos magick, Discordianism, and the discernment needed to avoid getting lost in endless, manipulative rabbit holes. Using classical myth, pop culture, and first-hand experience, the roundtable carefully balances conspiracy exploration with Biblical wisdom, repeatedly returning to the question: Do you bonk the apple, or leave it alone?
Key Discussion Points & Insights
1. Setting the Tone: From Jokes to Chaos
[03:05 - 06:25]
- The episode opens with layered banter about "talking about the Jews," playfully rejected before pivoting to the real subject: chaos as both a conspiracy and spiritual principle.
- Listeners are invited to participate and support the show, with a lively live chat community and in-group jokes about plugs and promo trades.
2. What Is Chaos? Mythological Roots & Modern Relevance
[10:04 - 23:54]
- Discordia/Eris Myth: Aiming Rat explains Eris, the Greek goddess of chaos, whose golden apple at a wedding sparks the Trojan War. The hosts discuss the apple's symbolism: uncontained desire, division, and "artificially injected" chaos.
- "The golden apple is not so much what it represents or what it does... it's a symbol for desire. The three goddesses fight over it because... it's more so that this golden apple was injected specifically to incite chaos in a normal event." —Aiming Rat [23:01]
- Golden Apple as Distraction: This motif is compared to pop culture scandals, conspiracies, and manufactured chaos in society.
3. From Myth to Meme: Chaos Magick & Discordianism
[24:20 - 32:46]
- Illuminati Card Game & Principia Discordia: The group traces a line from Greek myth to The Illuminati Card Game, Principia Discordia (1950s-70s satirical "bible" of chaos magick), and the evolution into pop culture and internet memes.
- "This is essentially the source, the booklet, the bible for the chaos theory. Chaos magicians here in the United States." —Subliminal Messenger [25:16]
- Satirical "cult" groups blur parody and ritual, using absurdity to disarm and obfuscate real occult content.
4. Chaos in Pop Culture, Comedy, Cartoons, and Conspiracy
[42:39 - 56:40]
- Discussion of how esoteric and chaos-driven symbolism infiltrates children's and adult animation (e.g., Adventure Time, Gravity Falls, Midnight Gospel), music, theater, and celebrity movements (including The Church of the SubGenius).
- "It is really high-level esoteric mysticism. All of these different things, all these principles. But it's done through this lens of, like, comedy and cartoon..." —David Lee Corvo [54:16]
- Jim Carrey and media figures are examined as possible "chaos conduits" or even channelers of entities, through method acting and psychedelic culture.
- "That whole character that Carrey puts on is, like, a specific spirit." —David Lee Corvo [46:44]
5. Predictive Programming & The 'Apple' as Psyop
[59:13 - 71:14]
- Operation: Breadcrumb/Psyop Psyop: The panel identifies an intentional "Pied Piper" effect in the conspiracy sphere—conspiracies are intentionally seeded as distractions, drawing seekers to "forbidden knowledge" that largely leads nowhere (or into ever-deeper mazes).
- Illuminati Card Game is rebranded as an “oracle deck” predicting chaos events (e.g., Charlie Kirk “assassination” parallel, digital meme campaigns, numerology like 23/923).
- "These chaos magicians... make the memes. They're just kind of pumping him up into society, putting him into society more and more." —Subliminal Messenger [81:30]
6. The Biblical Solution: Discernment, Detachment, and the Narrow Path
[100:06 - 104:58]
- Wrestling with the desire to “bonk the apple” (fight/call out every conspiracy/chaos-agent), the conversation leans hard into discernment: sometimes involvement only amplifies chaos, and true wisdom often means leaving false apples (distractions) alone.
- "I think the problem with the apple isn't so much the apple or noticing the apple or talking about the apple, it's the bonking of the apple." —David Lee Corvo [101:30]
- Biblical wisdom is brought up as the antidote: rather than obsess over every crisis, do your own work, lead others gently, and prioritize spiritual growth over endless distraction cycles.
- "It's not about that, though, dude, you gotta come over here. You got a K the J in your own heart. You got to pick up your cross. You gotta focus on the work that's actually important." —David Lee Corvo [102:41]
- The notion that not every apple is worth fighting over ("leave it alone; it stays small"), referencing the Heracles/Eris myth and practical spiritual advice.
Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments
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On chaos as an engineered distraction:
"Every pathway you walk down is going to have a golden apple... Once you notice that the intention of these items is to cause you distress, then you can say, oh, that's where the problem is."
—Aiming Rat [98:50] -
On “The Apple” and discernment:
"The apple wants you to bonk it. It wants you to bonk it, dude. And that's what I'm fucking talking about."
—David Lee Corvo [104:45] -
On cultural manipulation and media infiltration:
"Pop culture's not just entertainment; it's a delivery system for ideology..."
—Top Lobster [95:46] (paraphrased for clarity) -
On sharing hard-won knowledge, teaching vs. learning:
"When you teach a thing, you get a deeper understanding of it, and you're learning as you're teaching."
—David Lee Corvo [61:34] -
Corralling the chaos with humor:
"Sometimes, when you can laugh at it, it can't trap you anymore."
—General tone throughout (e.g. [33:29], [104:58], [133:44])
Key Timestamps (MM:SS)
- 03:05 – Initial (false) tease about "talking about the Jews" sets up episode's focus on chaos and misdirection
- 06:25 – "What are we really getting into?" — Framing chaos as central topic
- 11:30 – Illuminati Card Game & mythic Apple of Discord
- 15:55 – The narrative of Eris/Discordia explained
- 23:54 – Discordian myth connected to modern cults, “artificial chaos”
- 32:05 – Jim Carrey, channeling, & entertainment industry as chaos vehicles
- 55:04 – Kids’ media & subversive programming
- 59:13 – “Pied Piper” psyop, intentional indoctrination via media/breadcrumbs
- 76:06 – Artificial chaos, discernment, and discernment as the essential skill
- 101:30 – "The problem with the apple is the bonking of the apple" — insights on detachment
- 104:45 – Summing up: why “bonking” just amplifies the apple
- 133:44 – Final reflections: To bonk or not to bonk?
Conclusion
The episode provides a rigorous, satirical, and occasionally irreverent exploration of chaos as an ancient and modern tool for distraction and division—whether by gods, magicians, or media tycoons. The group agrees that awareness is essential, but obsession or reactive "bonking" only make chaos grow.
The Biblical answer, the hosts and guests conclude, is discernment: learn to see the apples, warn others as needed, but do not let chaos rule your existence or derail your mission. In a world ever more hospitable to "apples," wisdom is knowing when to walk on by.
Where to Find the Guests
- Disagree 2 Agree: Rumble Channel; Twitter: @seasonoftherat (Aiming Rat) & @manuellabor (Subliminal Messenger)
Note: For brevity, timestamps omit ad breaks and non-content interludes.
Episode Tone: Sarcastic, sharp, offbeat, but ultimately grounded in a quest for spiritual and practical truth.