Bonkin' the Apple w/ Disagree 2 Agree

Summary

Nephilim Death Squad, Episode: "Bonkin' the Apple w/ Disagree 2 Agree"

Date: December 18, 2025
Hosts: TopLobsta (Top Lobster) & The Raven (David Lee Corvo)
Guests: Disagree 2 Agree (Aiming Rat & Subliminal Messenger)

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Overview

This episode of Nephilim Death Squad dives deep into the pervasive nature of chaos and conspiracy, examining how mythological motifs—particularly the "golden apple" of discord—are woven into modern culture, media, conspiracies, and even psychological manipulation. With special guests Aiming Rat and Subliminal Messenger from Disagree 2 Agree, the discussion considers chaos as both a spiritual force and a cultural technique, exploring whether our obsession with “apples” (distractions, scandals, revelations) serves only to divide and distract.

The hosts and guests deconstruct the origins and propagation of chaos magick, Discordianism, and the discernment needed to avoid getting lost in endless, manipulative rabbit holes. Using classical myth, pop culture, and first-hand experience, the roundtable carefully balances conspiracy exploration with Biblical wisdom, repeatedly returning to the question: Do you bonk the apple, or leave it alone?

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Setting the Tone: From Jokes to Chaos

[03:05 - 06:25]

• The episode opens with layered banter about "talking about the Jews," playfully rejected before pivoting to the real subject: chaos as both a conspiracy and spiritual principle.
• Listeners are invited to participate and support the show, with a lively live chat community and in-group jokes about plugs and promo trades.

2. What Is Chaos? Mythological Roots & Modern Relevance

[10:04 - 23:54]

• Discordia/Eris Myth: Aiming Rat explains Eris, the Greek goddess of chaos, whose golden apple at a wedding sparks the Trojan War. The hosts discuss the apple's symbolism: uncontained desire, division, and "artificially injected" chaos.
  • "The golden apple is not so much what it represents or what it does... it's a symbol for desire. The three goddesses fight over it because... it's more so that this golden apple was injected specifically to incite chaos in a normal event." —Aiming Rat [23:01]
• Golden Apple as Distraction: This motif is compared to pop culture scandals, conspiracies, and manufactured chaos in society.

3. From Myth to Meme: Chaos Magick & Discordianism

[24:20 - 32:46]

• Illuminati Card Game & Principia Discordia: The group traces a line from Greek myth to The Illuminati Card Game, Principia Discordia (1950s-70s satirical "bible" of chaos magick), and the evolution into pop culture and internet memes.
  • "This is essentially the source, the booklet, the bible for the chaos theory. Chaos magicians here in the United States." —Subliminal Messenger [25:16]
• Satirical "cult" groups blur parody and ritual, using absurdity to disarm and obfuscate real occult content.

4. Chaos in Pop Culture, Comedy, Cartoons, and Conspiracy

[42:39 - 56:40]

• Discussion of how esoteric and chaos-driven symbolism infiltrates children's and adult animation (e.g., Adventure Time, Gravity Falls, Midnight Gospel), music, theater, and celebrity movements (including The Church of the SubGenius).
  • "It is really high-level esoteric mysticism. All of these different things, all these principles. But it's done through this lens of, like, comedy and cartoon..." —David Lee Corvo [54:16]
• Jim Carrey and media figures are examined as possible "chaos conduits" or even channelers of entities, through method acting and psychedelic culture.
  • "That whole character that Carrey puts on is, like, a specific spirit." —David Lee Corvo [46:44]

5. Predictive Programming & The 'Apple' as Psyop

[59:13 - 71:14]

• Operation: Breadcrumb/Psyop Psyop: The panel identifies an intentional "Pied Piper" effect in the conspiracy sphere—conspiracies are intentionally seeded as distractions, drawing seekers to "forbidden knowledge" that largely leads nowhere (or into ever-deeper mazes).
• Illuminati Card Game is rebranded as an “oracle deck” predicting chaos events (e.g., Charlie Kirk “assassination” parallel, digital meme campaigns, numerology like 23/923).
  • "These chaos magicians... make the memes. They're just kind of pumping him up into society, putting him into society more and more." —Subliminal Messenger [81:30]

6. The Biblical Solution: Discernment, Detachment, and the Narrow Path

[100:06 - 104:58]

• Wrestling with the desire to “bonk the apple” (fight/call out every conspiracy/chaos-agent), the conversation leans hard into discernment: sometimes involvement only amplifies chaos, and true wisdom often means leaving false apples (distractions) alone.
  • "I think the problem with the apple isn't so much the apple or noticing the apple or talking about the apple, it's the bonking of the apple." —David Lee Corvo [101:30]
• Biblical wisdom is brought up as the antidote: rather than obsess over every crisis, do your own work, lead others gently, and prioritize spiritual growth over endless distraction cycles.
  • "It's not about that, though, dude, you gotta come over here. You got a K the J in your own heart. You got to pick up your cross. You gotta focus on the work that's actually important." —David Lee Corvo [102:41]
• The notion that not every apple is worth fighting over ("leave it alone; it stays small"), referencing the Heracles/Eris myth and practical spiritual advice.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On chaos as an engineered distraction:
  "Every pathway you walk down is going to have a golden apple... Once you notice that the intention of these items is to cause you distress, then you can say, oh, that's where the problem is."
  —Aiming Rat [98:50]

• On “The Apple” and discernment:
  "The apple wants you to bonk it. It wants you to bonk it, dude. And that's what I'm fucking talking about."
  —David Lee Corvo [104:45]

• On cultural manipulation and media infiltration:
  "Pop culture's not just entertainment; it's a delivery system for ideology..."
  —Top Lobster [95:46] (paraphrased for clarity)

• On sharing hard-won knowledge, teaching vs. learning:
  "When you teach a thing, you get a deeper understanding of it, and you're learning as you're teaching."
  —David Lee Corvo [61:34]

• Corralling the chaos with humor:
  "Sometimes, when you can laugh at it, it can't trap you anymore."
  —General tone throughout (e.g. [33:29], [104:58], [133:44])

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Key Timestamps (MM:SS)

• 03:05 – Initial (false) tease about "talking about the Jews" sets up episode's focus on chaos and misdirection
• 06:25 – "What are we really getting into?" — Framing chaos as central topic
• 11:30 – Illuminati Card Game & mythic Apple of Discord
• 15:55 – The narrative of Eris/Discordia explained
• 23:54 – Discordian myth connected to modern cults, “artificial chaos”
• 32:05 – Jim Carrey, channeling, & entertainment industry as chaos vehicles
• 55:04 – Kids’ media & subversive programming
• 59:13 – “Pied Piper” psyop, intentional indoctrination via media/breadcrumbs
• 76:06 – Artificial chaos, discernment, and discernment as the essential skill
• 101:30 – "The problem with the apple is the bonking of the apple" — insights on detachment
• 104:45 – Summing up: why “bonking” just amplifies the apple
• 133:44 – Final reflections: To bonk or not to bonk?

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Conclusion

The episode provides a rigorous, satirical, and occasionally irreverent exploration of chaos as an ancient and modern tool for distraction and division—whether by gods, magicians, or media tycoons. The group agrees that awareness is essential, but obsession or reactive "bonking" only make chaos grow.

The Biblical answer, the hosts and guests conclude, is discernment: learn to see the apples, warn others as needed, but do not let chaos rule your existence or derail your mission. In a world ever more hospitable to "apples," wisdom is knowing when to walk on by.

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Where to Find the Guests

• Disagree 2 Agree: Rumble Channel; Twitter: @seasonoftherat (Aiming Rat) & @manuellabor (Subliminal Messenger)

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Note: For brevity, timestamps omit ad breaks and non-content interludes.
Episode Tone: Sarcastic, sharp, offbeat, but ultimately grounded in a quest for spiritual and practical truth.

Transcript

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[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

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[Top Lobster]

And today we're Talking about the Jews.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

No, that's not true. That's not what we're here to do.

[Top Lobster]

That's what you said.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

No, that's not what I. That's just what I had to say to get you out of bed and into the. Into the office. You don't get up for anything except for talking about the Jews these days. Before we do that, though. Not talk about the Jews. Patreon.com/now/nephilim death Squad. That's where you want to go if you want to support us. And you know you do.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Yeah, you do. What do you get? You get early access to episodes. You get to engage in the live chat show Somebody in the live chat. Pull them up on the screen. Anyone?

[Top Lobster]

Anybody?

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

There you go, Rat pack. No, he's on the show. What the hell, dude?

[Top Lobster]

Stop double dipping.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

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[Top Lobster]

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[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Oh, yeah, the Telegram community, which you could do.

[Top Lobster]

I don't go there.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

I've been going there. I've been talking to people. They crush over there. The Telegram community is on fire. You can't get in unless you pay us.

[Top Lobster]

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[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Whenever it happens, it's gonna blap in. And we gotta respond to doctor. To Laura Baker's email because she's a doctor. She's coming. Oh, she's a doctor now? Yeah, she said she thinks she's coming. She's pretty sure she's coming. She's got to be certain, but she's.

[Top Lobster]

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[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Nope. Don't say that. So also, discount codes off merchandise from top lobster.com. we got all kinds of stuff.

[Top Lobster]

We have a new shirt coming. We got a new one. Yeah, new one. New one is gonna be great.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

What is it coming? When? When?

[Subliminal Messenger]

I don't know.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

It's going to come. It's probably. All right, let's talk about who's with us today. Disagree to Agree is back. And. And they promised to talk about the Jews. But before we get into that, we have to talk about where you can find them. I'll let you guys fight over who speaks first.

[Top Lobster]

Watch them.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Watch them mess this up.

[Subliminal Messenger]

Amy goes first.

[Aiming Rat]

I do go first. I was. I was waiting to see if he knew.

[Top Lobster]

Welcome.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Thank you.

[Aiming Rat]

Thank you for having us on Disagree to Agree. You can find us on rumble.com@disagree to you Also find our individual Twitters at meep@seasonoftherat on Twitter and Subliminal messenger at Manuel labor at on Twitter.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Did you just do another man's plugs for him?

[Aiming Rat]

I did, I did.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

That's fine.

[Top Lobster]

I see the way, I see the.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Way the stop the show.

[Aiming Rat]

We can, we can, we can figure it out ourselves.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

How do you feel about that Subliminal Messenger? And be honest. I want you to be honest. If he, if he just. If you don't like when another man does your plugs, I respect that. But if it's okay with you, I.

[Top Lobster]

Respect that when another man plugs me.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

I don't like that.

[Subliminal Messenger]

I'm going to plug Eamon's album Escape Saturn later, so we'll be okay.

[Top Lobster]

All right, cool.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

I'll allow a little cross plugging. That's good.

[Aiming Rat]

We trade plugs.

[Top Lobster]

I hope you wash them out.

[Aiming Rat]

So, so.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

All right, all right. Now that we've got, now that we're.

[Subliminal Messenger]

All plugged, he's safely in Tennessee. I'm okay.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Okay. All right, good. Miles away. Who's miles away? So what are we. We were told that we were going to talk about chaos, which we took as a euphemism for the Jews, but before the show started, you kind of said, like, that's not exactly what's going to happen here. Little disappointing, but chaos is always a fun topic. I don't know what angle we're going to come at it from. What, what are we really getting into?

[Aiming Rat]

Well, first off, I just want to say congratulations, Raven. Uh, you look like about, you've lost about two and a half pounds since we last talked, so I want to say congratulations. Good work on that. And congratulations on nabbing the debate with Timothy Albarino. That's going to be exciting.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Well, your fingers are dirty. You look like you've been scratching your own butthole.

[Top Lobster]

Whoa.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

I'm sorry. He said he, he did a thing to me, and I, I, I don't deal well with criticism.

[Top Lobster]

Compliments.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Okay, thank you. I, you know what? Yeah. I have lost some weight and I appreciate that, Eamon. And, and we, I have nabbed a debate with Indiana Moans Timothy.

[Top Lobster]

No, no, we're respecting him now, are we? I thought we were.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Okay, well, yeah, and I don't know how that's gonna go. And I don't know if it's gonna be a debate because I plan on murdering a man on the live stream. No, no, I, I, I don't know what's gonna happen, but, but yeah, that apparently is happening. We're gonna have some sort of a discourse.

[Top Lobster]

Well, I mean, it's. So we have his email. I haven't reached out to book him yet.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Yeah, because we want to make him sweat. We want to make him hungry.

[Top Lobster]

We have to read the end of his book, but before that, we have to learn how to read. So this is a little bit of a curve.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

It is.

[Aiming Rat]

You guys never talking to Timothy Albert, you know?

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Well, I'm trying to find spoken to him a reading app.

[Top Lobster]

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[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

But in order to do that, I have to read the app to. You know what I mean? And it's a real problem.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, it's like. It's more of like. Like translating the pretentious English.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

I'm great with pictures, so if he brings a lot of pictures out, I'll understand what he said.

[Top Lobster]

Receipts don't have pictures.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Well, that's the thing is I talked about this in the earlier show that I did. He said that he want. He. He was gonna bring his receipts. I was gonna bring My receipts.

[Top Lobster]

You did an earlier show. We have a show after this.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

No, we don't have another show after this. And. And I just think it's a fascinating thing to bring receipts about a topic that up until the past, like five or six years ago was considered pseudoscience and lacked anything that was resembling concrete evidence. You know what I mean? Like, it's just interesting to say we're going to talk about spiritual entities and the. You know, when they're physical, when they're spiritual, interdimensional. Are they angels? Are they. Bring your receipts. Why?

[Top Lobster]

Well, I think the problem there is that looks like number one. Yeah. You're not going to be able to bring any concrete receipts. And then the concrete receipts that we do bring are discarded. Like, there are a number of people who have interviewed on the show on some shows and have.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

And then.

[Top Lobster]

And there are also people whose testimony has been basically thrown away. So it's like, okay, so which, which receipts are valid? Can we just bring any old thing?

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Yeah, I think we can.

[Top Lobster]

I think I'll just bring Michael Heiser's book and I'll be like, here we go.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Blap.

[Top Lobster]

That's our receipt. Blah, blah, blah. We'll just read that.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

But thanks. Amen, Rat.

[Top Lobster]

Thanks for that. You insulted us. You got us going.

[Subliminal Messenger]

Well, let the best streamer win. Of course.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

I got a strong stream. I'm a strong streamer. It happens multiple times per episode. I got to go.

[Aiming Rat]

It's loud. It's loud, right?

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

It's very loud.

[Aiming Rat]

It's very loud. We actually wanted. The alien thing is perfect. It ties in with what we're going to talk about today too perfectly, really. But what we did is kind of continue from our last episode. If you guys remember the last episode, we. We kind of gave you a breakdown of this number combination. This is 923-932-632 combination. That shows up in a lot of apocalyptic symbolism that's in modern media and such. We continue digging into there and mostly formed from the. Looking into the Illuminati card game. If you guys know anything about that.

[Subliminal Messenger]

That.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Oh, that's interesting.

[Aiming Rat]

Kind of opened everything up here.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

I came across a pack of those, by the way.

[Aiming Rat]

And I.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

And I asked, the top is a very spiritually guarded say, be careful. And I said, I said, which words you use next? Unopened packs of original Illuminati cards for sale on Facebook market. And he said, no, I don't want that demonic in here.

[Top Lobster]

Amen.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

And keep it. Keep it away from me. And So I didn't. I think it would have been a good purchase. But at what cost?

[Top Lobster]

If we could take a quick detour, of course, before we head into that. Because that actually does remind me the.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Oh, he's going to talk about the Jews. Here we go.

[Top Lobster]

Illuminati does remind me of the Jews. No, no, no, it's something current today. It should be inspired by something current to today. That is actually really funny. You know the. Was is it the last chance card with Trump and it has like the line going, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Donald Trump is in the news today doing the most Donald Trump thing that he can ever do.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

What's that?

[Top Lobster]

Okay, I'll just read it to you really quickly if I can read it.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

So yeah, well, I would have to get somebody else to read it.

[Top Lobster]

He truths a very sad thing happened today. So Rob Reiner was murdered. Killed by his son with a knife, I believe, and his wife as well in their Hollywood home wherever. Rob Reiner, a tortured and struggling but once very talented movie director and comedy star has passed away together with his wife Michelle reported due to the anger he caused through others. He caused others through his massive, unyielding and incurable affliction with a mind crippling disease known as Trump derangement syndrome. So I and people are like here, this guy here is like a right wing guy. He's like, man, this is evil and disgusting. I find it hilarious.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

It does remind me a lot of that, that actress Reese getting murdered.

[Top Lobster]

Reese, Reese.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

How did she get Withers with a knife? Damn it. You son of a bitch.

[Top Lobster]

Got me with that one already.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Damn it, man. I was working. I was so excited to uncork that on you aiming rat. You go to hell, you bitch.

[Top Lobster]

Anyway, I just think it's very funny. Just it reminded me Trump's back in the news again for possibly the funniest thing he said in seven years or something like that.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Is it funny because he made it, he made it about himself.

[Top Lobster]

He made it about himself. This is a very serious murder.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Somebody got murdered.

[Top Lobster]

It's a double murder.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

By like, like by family. And he's just like this guy had Trump derangement syndrome. And that's that. What is, that's what his problem was. Yeah, I mean passed away.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

That's maybe, maybe that's true. Maybe that's why chaos.

[Top Lobster]

So sorry to detract from your guys show. I just talk about chaos.

[Aiming Rat]

Talking about chaos and the Bet you was 9:20. The chat's lighting me up. You guys are bringing In Trump deranged syndrome and the recent murder of Robert Reiner. It's. This is going exactly as I planned.

[Subliminal Messenger]

Damn it.

[Aiming Rat]

Dude.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Has he been dog walking us down this path since the show started?

[Top Lobster]

I think so.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Unbelievable.

[Top Lobster]

All right, well.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Well, whatever, man. Start wherever you want.

[Top Lobster]

Fine. I'm gonna try to derail you, but go ahead.

[Subliminal Messenger]

You ready, Rhett? Yeah, I'm ready. Okay. Okay. Can you guys share the thing?

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Oh, you would need us to share your.

[Top Lobster]

David could do. If we can just look at David's.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Posture, how I sit.

[Top Lobster]

I won't. He's got a laptop in front of him. He could do it.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

I'm not going to do it. Don't touch my laptop. Stupid. Thank you.

[Top Lobster]

All right, one second, guys. Here we go.

[Subliminal Messenger]

We would send it to Nancy. Shout out.

[Top Lobster]

Whoa. What is this?

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

What the hell happened to Nancy?

[Subliminal Messenger]

I don't know.

[Top Lobster]

These are words.

[Subliminal Messenger]

It's. It's a. It's a Greek translation down to revealing Eris, because we're revealing chaos. This is. The whole presentation is about Chaos. Eris is Discordia, the goddess of chaos, the primordial goddess born from primordial chaos through Nyx, the mother of darkness, creating Eris, one of the. One of the goddesses that we were. You might have discussed with Jamie the other day.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

I don't know if Eris came up, actually.

[Aiming Rat]

Did Nyx come up in your discussion?

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

I don't think Nyx came up either. These are two names that I'm only, like, peripherally familiar with. They ring a little bit of a bell in my head, but otherwise, that's where the book stops, so.

[Aiming Rat]

So Nyx is the mother of darkness, the primordial mother of darkness. Like one of the older, older Greek gods and goddesses, and she birthed a whole bunch of different gods, and they're usually considered chaotic or, you know, like, bad passions of the time. So these gods and goddesses that she birthed, one of them being Eris, was the goddess of discord or strife or chaos. And the Roman equivalent to Eris is the Discordia. That's her name in Roman. In the Roman pantheon. And so. Yeah. Continue on Subliminal. Sorry, I got nothing else there.

[Subliminal Messenger]

Oh, okay.

[Aiming Rat]

That's who Aris is. That's who Aris is.

[Subliminal Messenger]

I'm just a little bit of chaos. The reason why. Why this is relevant, how this ties to our last presentation is because Three Eye Atlas is supposedly the Atlas mythology. He drops golden apples from the garden of Hera. These apples are used in this mythology to start the Trojan War. By Eris Discordia. She's involved in a mythology where she's in not invited.

[Aiming Rat]

Do you want me to explain the myth to them?

[Subliminal Messenger]

Yeah, go for it. Go for it, man. You're better at it. Yeah.

[Aiming Rat]

Okay. So the myth of heiress, one of the most famous myth is there is a they. There's a wedding on Mount Olympus and Eris was not invited. Chaos was not invited to the wedding. You know, you have to have a wedding. You need it to be ordered, right? Well, Eris angrily, through planned deceit and trouble, she. She made a golden apple. She got a golden apple. Sorry. And she wrote, this goes to the most beautiful woman. This belongs to the most beautiful woman. And she threw it. She threw it onto the. Into the. The wedding. And Aphrodite, Hera and Athena. I got him. Those three goddesses all fought over this golden apple. They. They're like, oh, the Ferris. That's obviously me. I'm the most beautiful.

[Subliminal Messenger]

And.

[Aiming Rat]

And so they fought each other and it eventually, long story short, led to the Trojan War.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

This golden apple. Women being the problem here. What do you have any. Any theories as to what the. I mean, it's a golden apple. It's not just like, delicious. That's why I really want this. Have you stumbled upon any significance as to, like, what this apple did? Because just to put, you know, give you where my mind's going to. When we talked to Jordan Crowder, he was on the show, we talked about Three Eye Atlas and this idea that these interstellar objects, they heralded a time of like, great change, like a big moment. So. So it suggests that, like, whatever comes off of this object is. It's got a cosmic energy about it that changes, you know, something. The perception of humanity, yada, yada, Anything about these apples that's like, it's more than just an apple. What the hell does it do? Why do they. Why do they even give a damn?

[Aiming Rat]

The apple? And I wish I could answer that because that would be awesome to know what that golden apple meant. But it's more symbolic for desire, like an ultimate desire. You can also, I think, equate it to the tree in the garden. Right, the garden.

[Top Lobster]

I was going to ask that. Yeah, Tree of knowledge, that that fruit often gets mixed up with an apple, but it's never designated as specifically an apple. It's just the fruit of the tree.

[Aiming Rat]

I've done a little look into the word apple and the etymology of it and where it comes from, and essentially Jewish back in the day. No, the apple just meant fruit. It was an unnamed. Like. Like you call any fruit an apple. Like, that's an apple. Like a banana would have been an apple. If they didn't have a word for banana, that would be that. That would. That's an apple.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

So it's an apple word for the fruit that a tree bears.

[Aiming Rat]

Yeah. Mm.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Subliminal Messenger]

You become like a demigod. So Hercules was after it. He. He tricks Atlas to hold up the. The heavens. He steals the apple.

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[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Wait, wait, wait, wait. I'm sorry. Subliminal Are you telling me that this thing makes you like a God?

[Subliminal Messenger]

It's a trick. Yeah. It's a false promise. I believe it's. It causes chaos amongst these deities. Right. They're promising of beauty, right. It just keeps them busy while. While Eris and Discord continues to just cause chaos among along the land. This is like an old mythology that there's an ancient Greek, but it develops into modern. To modern mythology and it's kind of the source of all our. The chaos that we live in today is kind of why we have to. To turn up, put this into place here.

[Top Lobster]

So this is like the golden ring on a carousel, right? Like. So you're saying that. Yeah, you got these characters on there, they're reaching out, but realistically they're just in a carousel while the operators are having an orgy outside.

[Subliminal Messenger]

It's the spirit, the spirit of chaos, I guess. That's interesting.

[Aiming Rat]

Best way to describe the apple is it, you know, there's natural chaos and you know, fluctuation to life in general. You know, so we go about or, you know, order and chaos forms naturally in almost, almost in a perfect, you know, tug of war system in our lives. And what the golden apple represents, at least especially in this, in this instance with Eris forcefully injecting the golden apple into this wedding, is that the golden apple is not so much. It's not so much what the golden apple represents or what it does because it is probably really good. It makes, it's. It's a symbol for desire. You know, the, the three goddesses fight over it because they are the most beautiful. Well, you know, according to them, it's more so that this golden apple was injected specifically to. To incite chaos in a normal event. So this golden apple is an injected artificial form of chaos that distracts everyone and eventually causes a war.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

That's interesting. I just realized that she's depicted in Billy and Mandy. I'm like, where have I seen this before? She's in the Grave Adventures of Billy and Mandy. That's where I've seen it. Yeah. She had little golden apples she would toss around. I think they would, yeah. Do that. They would cause chaos one way or another. So that's interesting. Okay, so can we pull that slide back up then? So how does this begin to apply to. To Three Eye Atlas? Oh, you said Atlas Atlas is the one that drops them.

[Subliminal Messenger]

Yeah, symbolically is the one that drops the apples. The apples are from Hera's garden. So she's involved in the mythology. This ends up. This is like an ancient Greek mythology that we're discussing. But it ends up kind of neo pagan revivals that comes up in the 50s and the 60s. So this gets reintroduced into society through this, this booklet book called Principal Discordia created by Malaclips the Younger. It's a made up name. 1957, it starts being created through this at this bowling alley in Whittier, California. A these, one of these individuals gets a illumination. Something happens to them. The, the crap they say the crash of the pins just creates some, some flash of illumination in their mind and they get a spiritual download with everything that's in this document. And this is, this is essentially the source, the booklet, the bible for the chaos theory. Chaos magicians here in the United States. While this is happening really quickly.

[Top Lobster]

Not to, not to interrupt you, but I'm doing a deep dive on. I'll pull this back out. Doing a deep dive on worship. One of the things that does seem to drive either like, drive spirits out or cause like awakenings in some sort of way. Creating like a, let's say it's creating a rift and a pathway. If we're in the spiritual world, do disruption is the, the instrument, the shofar. That's like what the Jews would blow. Then we're back on the Jews. It's that big twisted horn. So as a musician rat would know that on a guitar, the harmonics on a guitar, like the 12th fret is. There's a harmonic there because it is the exact halfway point between the bridge and the nut. So it vibrates at a certain frequency. Because these things are in like equal stabilization. Everything is measured out to the pinpoint accuracy if you have an accurate guitar. But the shofar, the way it works is it's always completely random. Usually a longer horn, it's twisted. So each segment, as the sound, as the air goes through each segment, it's like fragmented and it comes out in like a different way. So imagine like man, what's the name of the. Like, like a diminished chord. Like basically like you have a root and then every other corresponding note does not correspond with the root intentionally. That's what the shofar does. And they blow this as a sign of disrupting this spiritual realm. So like when you're talking about this crash in, in the bowling alley, I'm thinking of all these pins. How many? 10 pins, nine pins.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Oh, so you're saying like it's the opposite of harmony.

[Top Lobster]

It's the opposite of harmony, but it's used. I mean the shofar is used specifically by God or God's people to create this disruption. Because both, both the, the good and I guess is in Timothy Albarino's water here. But both the good and the bad, Elohim, they exist on like this kind of like order of frequency. So they're ordering their own frequencies. Like whether it's binaural beats or I don't know, heavenly sound. In order to break that stuff up, you use a shofar or maybe like a crashing of pins. So you have like individual pins making this noise and it's like just like kind of like blows your mind if it's, if it's like loud enough I suppose. Just an idea.

[Aiming Rat]

And if. And if multiple people are hitting strikes at the same time.

[Top Lobster]

Very disorienting.

[Aiming Rat]

The dissonance opposite of harmony. Opposite of harmony is cacophony, is discord, chaos, strife.

[Subliminal Messenger]

What, what you just said made me think of like. But the Pythagoreans had that system where it's all the dots made a perfect. A perfect 10, I think a perfect symbol of God representing God essentially that destroying that is the, the bowling pins they're destroying that would cause chaos thematically. Maybe it's what they're describing in this, in this creation myth for their cult. So what develops from here, from this cult is kind of a. A chaos system here. I'm calling, I'm calling it a cult. They want to act like it's just like a, like a game, like a pretend. Like they're not doing anything.

[Aiming Rat]

It's a satire. They, they created it, but it's satire. They say this is parody, a parody of religions. This is a satire of cults. But it's very high brow and it's very obviously self indicting. Like they're very aware that they're creating a cult that's a parody of a cult, but it's still the thing that.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Came as a spiritual download is just a parody.

[Top Lobster]

It's like a CERN's mock. Mock sacrifice. Like.

[Aiming Rat]

Oh yeah, funny you should say that. If I pulled up the Principa Discordia, if I read even the smallest passage of it, you would say that it would make sense. Like let me just go to a random page here.

[Subliminal Messenger]

It's like versions, I'll just. Of religion. Like the names Malaklips the younger. Like they have fake names. It's all a perversion of.

[Aiming Rat]

I just don't want to accidentally. I just don't want to accidentally cast a spell or anything. You know what I mean?

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Well, it's interesting because when we talk to Jamie, she talked about theater is an integral part of, like, you know, Freemasonry or really any of these cults, you know, that stem out of this. This time period of, like, let's say, Greek antiquity. Right. So it's interesting that it's almost, like, dismissed as, oh, this is just. This is just. This is just a satire. When it's like. Yeah, but everything that they do is. Is theater. I mean, it's all. It's all based around theater and satire and fake names and things like that. That's what Freemasonry does. That's what all these. These, you know, cults do. So I don't know, to highlight that and say, like, oh, it's just theater or it's just satire. You mean it doesn't deviate from other cults in any meaningful way whatsoever?

[Aiming Rat]

Yeah, I mean, exactly.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Okay, just checking.

[Subliminal Messenger]

I think they can larp themselves to reality is what they're doing. I think they can pretend and pretend to pretend, and a demon will still appear. They're still appealing to entities, but they're telling everyone else that they're just pretending and faking. I do have a page from the. Here, from here, if you wanted. If I can read a little bit of it. Of the five commandments of the Pentabarf. This is their. Their magic system is related to Fives. So if you see 23, that's, like, added up, that's the number five, 923. Like, that's kind of what we stumbled upon this with the. With the Rapture discussion that Eamon and I were getting into. If I can just really quickly. The Penta Barf was discovered by the hermit apostle Zarathude in the fifth year of the Caterpillar. Don't know what that is, but I suppose they want us to look it up. I guess the more you look into it, the further into chaos you kind of slide into. The reason Eamon Rat and I kind of, kind of skim through it is because I feel like the further you reach it, the deeper into this rabbit hole you go, and it's just. There's no pulling out. You just become a chaos magician, essentially.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

It's interesting because they have, like. You just look at the language of everything, and it's, like, hidden in silliness.

[Subliminal Messenger]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

But you know what it reminds me of? Remember when Jim Carrey did the Illuminati, the Mafia? It was like this work to obfuscate the whole thing. But I don't know. I mean, Jim Carrey is one of the weirdest Guys, to me, as far as you know, who he really is or what I mean, what he presents is so far from, I think, who he is at his core. And he did, he got on like Fallon or something like that. And he just locked into this really cringy bit all about the Illuminati. So, like, when you hear like the penta barf, you know, in the fifth year of the Caterpillar, it's like it's all immersed in the silliest language.

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[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

I don't know. I mean, I think that's. It's to deter the. Yeah, the all mocking tongue is what Atma said. Yeah, yeah, I remember that. That was the whole Illuminati thing. So. Yeah, it feels like a deterrence. It's like a layer that you have to get through in order to realize like they. Oh, they are saying something here. This is steeped in like actual accurate occult teachings.

[Top Lobster]

Some of it seems like rabbit trails intentionally to kind of screw with you.

[Aiming Rat]

Yeah, yeah. It's a lot of meaninglessness infused into this occult practice, these occult ideas, this occult philosophy that's designed specifically to confuse people who are not attuned with it or who are not smart enough. Right. They're not smart enough to get it. Yeah. So it's designed to confuse. Designed to sound meaningless so that when you point out, hey, what the hell are you guys doing? They can say, it's me. Look at this. What is it? Doesn't mean anything.

[Subliminal Messenger]

Right?

[Aiming Rat]

Yeah.

[Subliminal Messenger]

Or you're not smart enough to get it. You're not. You're not a genius level. Until I understand that you're at the Rhett, right? Would they be at, you know, the.

[Aiming Rat]

The. The sub genius.

[Subliminal Messenger]

You're at the Subgenius level. So that would be the second.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

It just means retard.

[Subliminal Messenger]

That just means retard. But that's there. The next. The next iteration of this organization, it turned into the cult of the Subgenius, the Church of the Subgenius, in which celebrities now seem to be involved with it. We've got Diva. We've got later, you know, in Modern times. We've got.

[Aiming Rat]

From parks, his name.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

The.

[Aiming Rat]

The libertarian. Libertarian guy in Parks and Recreation.

[Subliminal Messenger]

Parks and rec. You got.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Oh, that dude right there.

[Top Lobster]

Nick Osterholm.

[Aiming Rat]

Nick Offerman.

[Subliminal Messenger]

Offerman.

[Aiming Rat]

Nick Offerman.

[Top Lobster]

Offerman.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Yeah.

[Subliminal Messenger]

This becomes. It comes in. Evolves from little pamphlets, like chipped chip comics that you would get, you know, see on the street, which would be, you know, just little pamphlets that you'd come out. It evolved from that to a whole book. They put. Came out with the book. This is 19, like 1960s, 1970s. The. The book of the subgenius. This turns into books, it turns into movies, it turns into plays, like a production. So right here's one of the. One of the posts.

[Aiming Rat]

Penn Gillette is a famous. Another famous Subgenius guy.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Jew. Oh, it says at the bottom here. It is so written. So be it. Hail discordia. Prosecutors will be transgressic. That. Yeah, it's. Transgressicuted is a funny word. I mean, yeah, they're hiding a lot.

[Aiming Rat]

Don't learn any words from this Raven.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

These are all honestly kind of a chill place with the whole.

[Top Lobster]

No clue.

[Subliminal Messenger]

It takes a turn. It takes a turn, though, right?

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Okay. Because right now we're. We're making up words. I'm really resonating right now.

[Subliminal Messenger]

It's cute and fun, right? It's like what we're used to, like.

[Aiming Rat]

Turmer to us times.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Somebody said tumultuous and I was like.

[Top Lobster]

I said it wrong.

[Subliminal Messenger]

Wrong.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

What are you looking at? Hold on. Matt is interrupting.

[Top Lobster]

What's the problem, Matt?

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

What do you want? Speak your piece or get out of here. I'm sending this to Alvarino. You don't talk to Albarino. You did not have a. Guys, just for the audience's sake, Matt is trying to convince us he had like a long phone conversation with Timothy Albuquerque.

[Top Lobster]

I take a picture of you.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Yeah, we'll take a picture of you, you son of a. Get out of here, you diaper baby. Yeah. Oh, I see. Why. Why is it so hot in here? Because where are these guys? This is Subliminal messenger and Aiming Rat, and they're cooler than you, and you got to go.

[Subliminal Messenger]

Go.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

You got to leave.

[Top Lobster]

You got to go.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Please. Hi, team at Subliminal messenger says hi. T. Matt. You can't see. Nobody can see you.

[Top Lobster]

I clips you out.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Yeah, that was good.

[Aiming Rat]

You're not.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

All right, Go out of here. Amen, Rat. I do. Before we. Before we go on, I do want to come back here. I want to admit I'm a little bit disturbed by your lack of hat.

[Aiming Rat]

My lack of.

[Subliminal Messenger]

Should I take.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

I wasn't gonna bring it up. I wasn't gonna bring it up, but I do think that I didn't think about it. Yeah, I know.

[Aiming Rat]

I honestly didn't think about it.

[Subliminal Messenger]

You're a hipster. You have to own a fedora.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

You don't own a hat.

[Aiming Rat]

Can you. I. I. I own a beanie.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Top Lobster]

Oh, hold on a second, guys. What are we talking about? We're not doing these Beanies versus Hats.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Oh, beanies versus Hats. Guys, if you're for a hat, and B, in the chat, if you want to get the. Out of the chat.

[Top Lobster]

Whoa.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Yeah, that's. I'm drawing a line. Ow. I'm drawing a line. I can't believe you don't own a hat. Anyway, whatever. It's. It's fine. We can continue the show.

[Subliminal Messenger]

I just put my worst hat.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

That's a bad Kabbalah hat. What is that?

[Subliminal Messenger]

Can you help me take over real quick? Hold on. Okay, the client Rat.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

I know, I know.

[Aiming Rat]

Take over.

[Subliminal Messenger]

Can you help me make a Cohenist hat?

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

A Cohenist?

[Subliminal Messenger]

Cohenist, Like Cohen. Like est.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

The Jews. I see what he did there. Please, Subliminal, can you hold the. The show up while he. Unless you're gonna come back like a. A good brimmed hat, don't bother Subliminal. I don't want you on this show. We'll end the show if you come back with a beanie.

[Top Lobster]

All right. No, no, don't do that. We'll continue with the presentation. Sorry, guys.

[Aiming Rat]

We're not gonna have. I'm gonna be hatless today because I don't want to draw from you guys.

[Subliminal Messenger]

All right, all right. I'll have no hat, then.

[Top Lobster]

All right, fine.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

I'll allow it.

[Subliminal Messenger]

Okay, so these guys don't have hats either. Malachi's the younger gives the younger. These are their fake names. They come up with fake names because. So they're making, like, a. Like a religion, like a Cult, Right. So they rename themselves Malachi's the younger Gregory hill. And Raven. K.M. ravenhurst. Carrie Thornley. This guy comes back into history as a buddy of the guy who shots jk, shoots jfk.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

A buddy of the guy who shoots jfk.

[Subliminal Messenger]

Yeah, yeah. They go to. They're in the military together. He writes a book about him before he goes off to. To shoot jfk.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

So I got to admit, I am a little bit worried that we're like. It's like, what do they do? Well, they make up words and they make up fake bird names for themselves and.

[Aiming Rat]

Their best friends. They're best friends with the assassin of jfk.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Well, that. I mean, that's a little bit less Lho.

[Aiming Rat]

Lee Harvey Oswald.

[Subliminal Messenger]

Right.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Shout out. Lee Harvey Oswald.

[Subliminal Messenger]

Yeah. So this makes me think that their assets. So that this whole organization, this whole theme is like some kind of government operation. Aside from it being a spiritual operation, it's also influenced by the government because this continues, and it gets a lot of money and funding. Oh, this is another Discordia page. This is what Discordia is in the mythology. Like, she's the goddess of. Personification of strife, Discord, Daughter to Nyx, sister of Ares, the God of war, Children of Eris. This is her children. Toil, labor, forgetfulness, oblivion, famine, starvation, pains, sorrows, combats, wars, murders, lies, falsehoods, anarchy, delusion, recklessness, folly, ruin, and false oaths. So this is a real. From Eris. Yeah, well, they didn't invite her to the wedding, so she's real mad about it.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Honestly, I could. I mean, if you want to, you know, kind of personify these. These spiritual entities and they. And they were engaging in, like. Yeah, you wouldn't want to invite this bitch.

[Aiming Rat]

Another thing that's important on this. On this slide here.

[Subliminal Messenger]

Go back.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

That.

[Aiming Rat]

That symbol. Do you see that symbol that looks like two crescents with the line?

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Yeah. So it almost looks like it's the. The triple moon. Right? Like, but. But obviously there's no center moon. There's a line.

[Aiming Rat]

What.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

What the heck is it?

[Aiming Rat]

This is essentially the symbol of Discordia. Like, if you see this symbol, it's very obvious someone, whoever's implanting it is implanting chaos magic into the situation. It's also heavily used by, like, pagans, especially women. Like, it's, like, along with the divine feminine thing, this symbol is very often used with it.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

So that's what the triple moon represents. It's like a crescent moon on the left, which represents the maiden, the single moon, the full moon in the middle, which I think is the mother and then the crescent moon on the right which represents the crone.

[Top Lobster]

It looks like you'd see this on like a bad 90s tribal tattoo. Like part of it.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Yeah, but that's Bridget Fetishy. Is that the witch's name? She's the one that has that as her logo. It's actually just the triple moon and. Yeah, so. So it's probably the same thing because in that context it represents, you know, the divine feminine, the goddess.

[Top Lobster]

She still follows me.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Oh, does she really shout out to Bridget fantasy there? There's her triple moon goddess symbol logo above her. Yeah, it's close portfolio there because she's a witch.

[Aiming Rat]

Right, Right. And this is this, this is like which stuff? But more chaos. Like chaos witch or chaos sorcerer, whatever you want to call them, these, whatever they call themselves these days. Chaos magicians.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Right.

[Top Lobster]

Horse.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

What's on her? What's her, what's up with her feet in this image there of Eris is that.

[Subliminal Messenger]

I think that's a bird feet.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Oh, she's got bird feet. That's interesting. So because when you're describing her, she sounds like kind of a Lilith character where Lilith is often described as like, they call it a siren but it's then when in its descriptive, it's more of like a harpy, which is like, you know, upper body of a woman, wings and then like bird feet and then Lilith also supposedly being this mother of monsters. It's interesting. It's a, it's a similar archetype.

[Subliminal Messenger]

It comes back around. They, they use it throughout the, throughout the principal Discordia, but a lot more in the, the book of the Subgenius. Real quick before we move on, just some of the other symbols that they would, that you would have them around. Right. You got the Apple of Discord. You got the Pentagon which is, you know, five sided, five sides. This would be the, the pyramids, simple stars and number 23. So these are just some of the, the numbers you would have associated with, with you if you were I guess the chaos magician at Discord.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

That's interesting because of that whole movie with Jim Carrey and I was just talking about the Illuminati and he did that film 23.

[Aiming Rat]

23.

[Subliminal Messenger]

Oh.

[Aiming Rat]

I mean our last presentation was all about the number 923.

[Subliminal Messenger]

Right.

[Aiming Rat]

Or 623.

[Top Lobster]

Hey, have you guys seen this? I don't know if you want to watch something really quickly about Jim Carrey. I guess I don't know if we're.

[Subliminal Messenger]

Like even let's see it.

[Top Lobster]

All right.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Oh, is this from the. Yeah, this is really interesting to me.

[Top Lobster]

Dude, this was a great episode.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

It was a fantastic episode, actually. A rough listen.

[Top Lobster]

Well, I guess we'll listen to like just a minute of it and we'll see what he says.

[Aiming Rat]

Zest.

[Guest Speaker]

Having sex with women, birthing demons through that intercourse. I believe that is happening on a scale of like petri dish scale. I believe there's deep occults in this nation.

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[Guest Speaker]

Birthing the most beautiful actors that are coming together and birthing nephilim. It's all completely planned. These, like, some of our favorite actors. Dude, we are falling to this, to sleep, to the voices of demons. Like, these are demons. And even if they're not a nephilim, they're very demonically possessed men. So when we're watching movies and we love this favorite actor or that one and you're falling asleep to it, that's your disgusting submerged nation that taught the world how to our politicians, our musicians. These people are either nephilim or they're very possessed. Yeah, actually, Jim Carrey is one.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Jim Carrey.

[Guest Speaker]

I know that hurts people. They're gonna laugh. They're like, oh, you lost me. You lost me, dude. I'm changing the channel. The Antichrist spirit I hung out with was literally the character of Jim Carrey. Like, the funny, the laughing. You could kind of imagine, like those.

[Top Lobster]

This dude here I've been. Apparently, according to the episode, he was having, like, physical relations with this antichrist spirit who presented itself as Jesus. But the characteristics were that of, like, Jim Carrey which I don't know what kind of dude this guy is, because I would never want to hang around Jim Carrey. He's just very annoying.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

He seems very annoying.

[Aiming Rat]

Physical. Physical relations. He said physical relations with this?

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

No, he.

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He.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

When he went on, he would tell you, like, it felt as real as physical. But these were, like, if you saw him, he's alone.

[Top Lobster]

Well, it was. I forget this guy's name, but, like, they were. They would just, like, basically reach into his head and make him continuously. Orgasm.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Nut.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, as they did whatever they wanted to him physically. I'm not.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Well, like I said, he did say, if you were to have looked at him while this was happening to him, he would have been alone, but that's not what he experienced. It's not what he saw. Right. And I listened to his whole thing, man.

[Top Lobster]

It's powerful testimony.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

It's a rough listen. It's a rough listen, but I. I believe him. I believe that he was going through those things. So. Yeah, he basically says that that whole character that Carrie puts on is, like, a specific spirit. And. And that, like. And I. I believe that just in the sense of, like, actors will always say they're channeling a thing, you know, whether it's method acting or otherwise. And when they are off the screen, you know, whoever they are behind the mask is.

[Top Lobster]

I guess somebody is Wyatt Coates, white coats.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Yeah, I would love to talk to him. If it wasn't for the fact that Merkel did such a fantastic job that.

[Top Lobster]

It'S like, oh, yeah, he already covered it.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

I would say, like, go and listen to that Merkel episode that that dude's testimony needs to get out. We would only be doing the same shit, except probably interrupting him a lot. So. Yeah, man. You know, as far as Carrie goes, I think, like, yeah, he's channeling something, and it's not who he really is. But maybe it's another thing to go like, yeah, this is actually a particular spirit that he's channeling and presenting to people. And, yeah, it's intense.

[Aiming Rat]

Is it possible he was trying to tell us exactly what was going on with the movie number 23? Right. And is that why he's not doing these goofy weirdo comedies anymore? I mean, he kind of is dabbling his feet back in. You see, we see him playing Dr. Robotnik in the Sonic movies or Dr. Eggman.

[Top Lobster]

You got to keep on, you know, subverting the children, so.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Got to pay the bills with the blood of babies.

[Aiming Rat]

Right?

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Isn't that how.

[Top Lobster]

I think that's how it goes something like that.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Yeah.

[Subliminal Messenger]

I don't know. Jim Carrey's like a case study that I'm like on my own looking into all the time, like with the Ace Ventura subliminal stuff that I was looking into after the episode we did. And I've seen interviews of him and he, he. The stuff that he describes just feels like an ego death after DMT or ego death after a lot of psychedelics. So between that and losing his self in these roles, I definitely believe he's, he's. Everything he was saying about not being human and things not mattering, I think that he believes that because of just the mind space that this stuff puts you in. And that stuff does come back with this cult mentality. I called last a couple of weeks ago to talk about Wayward and the Tibetan Book of the Dead. I kind of mentioned that a little bit. That has a lot to do with re patterning and losing stuff. Like trauma is what they want to lose in the show. But I think as, as individuals we just lose aspects of our own personality under, you know, heavy shrooms, heavy acid, DMT experiences. And I think Jim Carrey's just done more than. More than most. He probably has access to it more than the average person and he's just lost more of himself. Something else comes into that place if.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

You'Re losing your own personality and. And then what when you, when your spirit starts to fall back, you know, it's like we study these things all the time with disassociation and etc. So you're losing your own personality, but you're constantly channeling for all these acting roles. Like, yeah, you're getting. Your, your vessel's getting filled with somebody else entirely.

[Subliminal Messenger]

Tropic Thunder, I think is a good example of that. It's funny, but, you know, I'm a dude playing a dude. I'm playing another dude. Is the comedy version, I think, of what actors put themselves through.

[Top Lobster]

You got to be careful when you let other dudes do your plugs.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

That's true. Yeah. From now on, there's no going back.

[Aiming Rat]

Only let dudes you trust do plug. Do your plugs. Only trade plugs with dudes you trust. Yeah.

[Subliminal Messenger]

Holy plugs.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

There's. Because there is something to be said about that though. Like I'm a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude. And then when you look at MK Ultra, it's like, well, if you traumatize them, they disassociate and a second programmable personality appears. And you can embed all kinds of code and Shit inside that second programmable personality. And I'm sure somebody went, well, is there a third layer and is there a fourth? So when you hear that guy go, I'm a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude.

[Aiming Rat]

That is Robert Downey Jr. Is just telling the truth.

[Subliminal Messenger]

Yeah. The altar. Yeah. How to make a undetectable like Illuminati altar or something like that. There's a book, Springmeier, I think came up with it. Yeah, I read a little bit of it was too traumatizing. Yeah, I dabble, I look it into a little bit. At a certain point I'm like, I don't need to know this. I know it exists. That's enough. Let me put that book away. So a lot of this Church of the Sabini stuff ended up getting to that section. Can we share the, the screen again? Is that.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Yeah, dude, share the screen.

[Top Lobster]

My bad.

[Subliminal Messenger]

Sorry guys. Sorry, sorry.

[Top Lobster]

Let me know when you want me to share it and unshare, because I, I'll keep it like, you know.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Yeah. Cuz he gets nervous and he, he's like, I got to take it down.

[Aiming Rat]

Don't give us that power. Don't give us that power. Don't give.

[Top Lobster]

No, I mean, you know, on the off chance. Off chance, Raven says something interesting. I'd like to have like a large screen to, to clip it. Yeah, off chance.

[Subliminal Messenger]

So I think I need to skip forward a page or two. Okay, here we go. The Discordia pamphlets, little, little booklet turns into the Cult, the Church of the Subgenius. This blows up big. This is the 1970s through the early 90s. They call it a revival. D? Vival. They didn't want to call it revival because it's Christian connotations. So they call it the D? Vival. In this documentary they put out, they say it's because of the devil. So it sounds cool. I have another theory. I'll bring it up a little bit later. But this, it develops this Subgenius book which I have here. You know, I try to take pictures of it. I, I, I'll send it to you guys later if you guys want a, like a digital like pictures out of here. But they, they express all their mythology. They're different, different pagan neopagan belief systems. Stuff from the goetic, goetic magic system, stuff from the Books of Solomon. Like all kinds of just jam packed in this, in this novel. But it's like a, it's like a toy, it's like a game, it's all gobbledygook and weird little Little weird. Little.

[Aiming Rat]

In the same way.

[Subliminal Messenger]

Yeah, yeah.

[Aiming Rat]

In the same way that the principa discordia was all just sort of gibberish and weird and out there and made nonsensical. It's the same way.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

That's interesting because they do a fair bit of that where they will almost cartoonize, I guess, some of these. Some of these concepts. And then you see them, like, repackaged and delivered to children in, like, the form of that one show. I forget what it is.

[Top Lobster]

Adventure Time or Adventure Time is definitely one of them. Yeah, you got that book, right.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Yeah. What the heck is the name of that show, though? It was like a.

[Top Lobster]

Gravity Falls.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Gravity Falls, yeah. And there's even another one. I was talking about Duncan Trussell this morning, and Duncan Trussell is kind of.

[Top Lobster]

Like one of these characters out of his butt, right?

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

He pulled a pen out of his butt. No, but a penny was thrown out of a metaphysical realm at him, basically. And he was like, okay, I've had enough. But he had a show that was on Netflix and I forget who the show was. Dude, if he's not Jewish, like, I don't know what. Because he looks so Jewish. He is literally like. He looks like a rabbi. So. But he had a show on Netflix and it was. Maybe somebody will know the name of it. I don't know if anybody can find it, actually. I'll look it up real quick. And it was all of these, like, high level metaphysical concepts all through cartoon. Yeah. Duncan Trussell show, animated. Yeah. Let's see. This was the Midnight Gospel.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. That was a crazy show.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

It was a crazy show. And it was well done.

[Top Lobster]

We should probably watch it and break that down.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

We'll get blapped up if we watch it. But I'm fine. We can do that. So. So. But that's a great example, right. Of like, it is really high level esoteric mysticism. All of these different things, all these principles. But it's done through this lens of like, comedy and cartoon and. Very strange. It's very strange because they do that to kids all the time. And they. They. They're doing it constantly, I think. You know, comedy and cartoon seems to be the vessel that it chooses, which. Yeah, it's something to ponder, but go on.

[Subliminal Messenger]

Yeah, they sneak in a lot, a lot of stuff to cartoons. I do an animation station, so I get to see firsthand what they're sneaking into the kids. I think one of the worst ones right now is Digital Circus. I don't know if you guys. If your kids are that Seems familiar.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Digital circus.

[Subliminal Messenger]

It's got a little. A little jester girl that's put into a digital world and there's a bunch of other people trapped in there with her. And she deals with a. A top hat, you know, Illuminati symbolism. Top hat is the higher leading class.

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[The RealReal Announcer]

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[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Yeah.

[Aiming Rat]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Subliminal Messenger]

And I did a breakdown of the first episode on my show. It's very. It's like the Matrix for children. I've seen a couple episodes with my kid and I have to tell her, like, I'm kind of explaining stuff to her, and she's like, oh, I don't want to watch this anymore. She kind of got grossed out by it.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

She still watches it. This is wonky.

[Subliminal Messenger]

She still watches it, though.

[Aiming Rat]

Black and white, checkerboard. The checkerboard floor. Very Masonic.

[Subliminal Messenger]

They've got another mount. It's very esoteric. But like you said, they sneak stuff into children. The subgenius stuff was, I think, just to, like, the average person on Hollywood Boulevard, you know, just the average Joe walking around. This. This was more for entertainment, for, like, people who read comic books, this subgenius thing. And at the time, there was no Internet, so there was no way to. For these people to meet up. So this sub genius thing became a way for these people to link up. So they got together and they had parties. They had. They had. They had. What do you call it? Or they called it the Bibles. They called it revivals. They had. They put on little plays, little productions. A lot of times they just burned a Jesus, an effigy of Jesus at one point. And it was, it was run by this guy named Ivan Stang. This guy was the face of it, I believe Robert Shea and Robert Anton Wilson, who wrote the Illuminatus trilogy, were the ones who were the, the brains behind this. These, this man is a, I, you can hear them talk. This guy's more of a figurehead. This guy's kind of the brain, brains of the operation. He worked for Playboy while he was at Playboy. He got a lot of people come in to do, you know, interviews, and they would tell him stories and shoot the breeze with them. And I, he kind of says that people would come in with, go, you know, looking very official, very proper. So I think maybe those were plants. So they were feeding him information, they were feeding him stories. And from this Illuminati trilogy, 1975, this breeds the Illuminati card game, the Church of the Subgenius, and kind of the framework that I believe that we live in as conspiracy theorists, the fishbowl that we keep being fed breadcrumbs from or breadcrumbs that you're kind of mentioning that we feel like we're being led, I feel like comes from this period in time. And I, I, all the research I've done around it, the people he was associated with, the people he ends up having meetings with later in time, are all related to the mind, you know, mind expansion movement. They're the assets for the CIA. You know, they, they got in trouble with the government and they got out, and now they're the heads of the Steve movement. So they were. I, I feel like this all kind of ties into some very well funded, organized conspiracy of conspiracies. They called it, if I can cuss, they called it Operation Mind, they called it.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Yeah, that's fine.

[Aiming Rat]

It's the Conspiracy Conspiracy or the psyop. Psyop.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Yeah. I feel like that's what I've been struggling with for a while now is like there is. And you can see it really clearly, right in the form of these, like, cartoons and everything where they're leaving these breadcrumbs they want you to, It's a, it's a Pied Piper, follow me down the rabbit hole ass kind of a move. And, and you know, when you're doing it in a bit of a vacuum and there's not like all these masses who are into what you're saying, you can kind of feel like, oh, like I did when I was younger, like, oh, I'm into, like, I figured something out. And it's like, you didn't not figure something out. But also you were led to that point. And the thing that seems to lead you there is the thing itself. And now that's become really clear to me is like, oh, all of this hidden knowledge and crap like that. It itself is Pied Pipering people towards it. And. And, you know, now I'm kind of in this place where I go, like, no, I don't wanna. Like, I. You know what I mean? Like, I'm kind of realizing if that's the point. It's the same thing we're talking about whether it's orchestrated. Jew noticing that was hard. I was a hard j. Hard Jew noticing. Or. Or just any of this rabbit trail, rabbit hole thing that leads to the esoteric, coveted knowledge that I've now discovered. And I'm trying to tell you guys, this is what they don't want you to know.

[Top Lobster]

Well, this entire show, it's like, we have to. I don't know how much you have to be aware of. And I think Subliminal kind of touched on this. He's like, how much do I have to actually be aware before I go, I'm going to close this book and stop reading it.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Then you also get to a point, like I said in the previous show, is very frustrating when people are just aren't aware at all. And you're like, hey, you got to get to first base at least.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

And that feels crazy. It feels like you got to come down multiple in the batter's box. Yeah. You got to go through multiple portals. Right. Go down multiple layers.

[Top Lobster]

And so this is all coming to head now with Matt.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Even though it's been months.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Yeah. That diaper baby.

[Top Lobster]

I've been so tired of going through it where I'm like, now I meet him and I'm like, I've got to go back all these steps to explain step one. I'm like, I just.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Well, you know what's good about that is when you learn a thing versus when you teach a thing.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

When you teach a thing, you get a deeper understanding of it, and then you get to. You're learning as you're teaching.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. But when you're teaching somebody that's kicking and screaming with the diaper on, saying.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

No, no diaper baby behavior. Yeah, dude. Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

It's very fussy.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

I mean, you know, but I'm like.

[Top Lobster]

You have to look at this.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Like, he's just a little baby.

[Top Lobster]

Look at it.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

But, yeah, I can see that now. I think that all of this apparatus, like, you had a picture of Joe Rogan on one of the slides. And I go, yeah. So we make that little joke where he's like part of the new Laurel Canyon of culture creation, but the culture that he's creating is like this adjacent. Right. And that's why you have like a Duncan Trussell on his show who's, who's exploring these things and introducing people to these concepts and, and he is like a pair of training wheels for this program. Right. Like he gets you there slowly.

[Top Lobster]

You got your boy Andreeja Puharich there as well.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

There we go. Rough and old and rough.

[Subliminal Messenger]

Yeah. Partied with them in, in the 90s. So he was involved with, I mean obviously since 60s, 70s, like the government. He was finding, what is it, astro projectors or something like they can.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Remote viewers and.

[Subliminal Messenger]

Remote viewers.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. He was also, he was experimenting with, well, not LSD but you know, psilocybin thing at the time.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Yeah, he was taking it rectally that, that seemed to.

[Subliminal Messenger]

That's the best I heard. Well, the only closest friends. Well, in the 90s, early 90s, these, these guys all got together and culture jammed. Let's say 70s to 90s, they culture jammed. They re. They introduced LSD, Ayahuasca, DMT, Silas 7, all to the, to the United States. This was all like maybe from South America, Mexico and different parts of the country, sorry, of the world. And they, they including the like transcendental meditation, like Baba Ram Dass brought that in. Jim, Larry brought the meditation in. Terence McKenna was. I. I don't have so much problem with Terence McKenna because even just for myself, he just kind of, kind of commented on the connectivity of the world kind of how the Internet we have now. Whereas these guys kind of turned like perverted it a little bit where he turned into this guy sleeps with the students. This guy ends up drugging people from Stanford like people in prison. Like he was doing drug experiments on people, unsuspecting people even. And I think he had the permission from the government to be able to do so. He got in trouble for marijuana. Something small. He got let go. Now he's the face of LSD throughout the United States. It's a little suspicious of me. To me, around the same time different organizations are getting a lot of funding to, to promote these, these LSD programs, DNT in the United States, you got the maps. Inter Multidisciplinary association for Psychedelic Studies. These people fund the legalization of marijuana, dmt, MDMA in the United States and Canada. So I think other places they probably just change names and fund other. Other programs around the same time, the psychedelic electric Kool Aid acid test is going on. This is like a bus, Like a hippie bus. You've probably seen it in movies. That goes from one coast of the US and takes people, gives them acid. Acid drops and teaches them how to expand their mind from one coast to the other at the same time. A TV show called the Banana Splits is now. This is for children. This is Hanna Barbara. They had their psychedelic. Psychedelic TV shows for kids. So they're catching people at every level of society with these programs.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Yeah, you would see that psychedelic theme injected into cartoons, and then it's there to stay. So now you'll be watching, like, something like, you know, how some humor is injected for a child, but then other humor goes over their head and it's, you know, supposedly for the parents. And what you realize, like, going back and watching a ton of cartoons is like, oh, this scene, they're, like, tripping on acid. This scene, they're on psychedelics. This scene, they're. They're having a psychedelic trip where the world is wonky and there's all these colors and nothing makes sense. And as a child, you're just watching that going, not even really thinking about it.

[Top Lobster]

Bugs Bunny's done that. Like, he'll eat, like, something and then trip out. And you don't really know what's funny.

[Aiming Rat]

Biggest one, I think of his Rugrats. You know, the Rugrats, whenever Tommy's out and trying to find his parents and his adults look all trippy and weird and they all look psychedelic. But until he finds his mom, you know, things freaked out and weirded out.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

I do appreciate Amon Rat's attempt to insert the Jews into this conversation, though. The rats. Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

I mean, there's been some reels going around about Popeye. Popeye instead of Spinach, that what he's taking is actually, you know, methamphetamine or pervitin.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Nice.

[Top Lobster]

And it's like all the symptoms of, like, his. His pupils just get dilated.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

It's hyperviolent and horned up.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. And the other dude is. Brutus is just basically trying to stop him from.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

I could see that. Doping. No, Papa, you can't keep doing meth. Beating me up with olive oil.

[Top Lobster]

His wife is his dealer. Yeah. It's wild when you watch it under that perspective.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

I mean.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, that's what they really say.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Super nefarious, huh?

[Aiming Rat]

I will say it's almost impossible not to acknowledge the Jewish handlers play in all of this. Right. I mean, who Is the one green lighting these shows that are being shown to kids. Like, who are the ones they would.

[Top Lobster]

This is what I was making. I was making the point of that as well, because, like, I was like, well, let's talk about health. He's like, oh, so let me get this right. Health care is run by the Jews? And I was like, all right, let's talk about who's opposing. I don't know, let's say as simple as who's opposing RFK from removing poisons from the food. And RFK is a whole nother case on his own. When you look at his connections to Shmuly and his apologizing for this and that.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

The K stands for kike.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. But then you look, it's like, oh, well, who opposed this? Oh, the. The food industry. And then I go, well, who owns. Who owns the food industry? Is like, Pepsi. Let's just look at Pepsi. Who owns Pepsi? Who's a major stockholder? BlackRock. Who owns BlackRock? Larry Fink. What is. What's his ethnicity? And it's just like. It's just consistent and constantly. I'm like, yeah, every time you scratch it, it's just. This is what it is. And I hate going down this rabbit hole because it's such old hat.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

It's a nice hat. It's a new hat.

[Subliminal Messenger]

Nice hat. I wish my co host had one.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Well, hey, that's it. I just want you to know that the hat is a real symbol of when you've achieved a certain level within podcasting.

[Top Lobster]

When you get there.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

The next step would be writing the forward to an apocryphal book, and that's not too far in the future. So, you guys, we should do the.

[Top Lobster]

Book of Giants or Jasher.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Or we should do that. Write the forward to Jasher and just make a mockery.

[Aiming Rat]

I feel like you guys should actually read the Book of Jasher, the Book of Giants, before you do that, though.

[Top Lobster]

Nope, nope, I will not. Not one page I've read Jasher. I haven't read through the whole Book of Giants yet, but I don't know.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

I listened to audiobook. I don't remember which one it was, but please continue.

[Aiming Rat]

The problem with the Book of Giants is so fragmented. Right? But that's neither here nor there. The important thing, I think, because we're talking about. Can I bring up the. The. Can we go back to ERIS real quick? Because we're talking about how you guys are about to have a conversation with Timothy. Timothy Albarino and talking about Alice, but, yeah, Right. So you're going to have a nice little one on one discussion with your friend, friend of the show, very dear friend of mine, Timothy Albarino, and we're going to, we're going to talk about this alien thing, right? But I want to talk about like the, the symbol of Eris real quick because we've mentioned something earlier and I wanted to talk about it. The alien thing is the conspiracy. Conspiracy?

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Yes.

[Aiming Rat]

The dude, the dude going in front of Congress, in front of the world saying, hey, yeah, I have proof that there are aliens and we have been talking to aliens for years now. And everyone's like, where's the proof? The proof is I say so, right? That that is throwing the golden apple at the table. That is for everyone to look at and say, oh, let's fight about this, because the aliens are actually my story. The, the aliens are my Anunnaki from ten hundred million years ago, while the, but, but the aliens are my story. The aliens are my demons from the outer realms, right? Oh, but the aliens are my story. The, the aliens are my Pleiadians from the third nebula that are returning to elevate us to mystical origins, or the aliens, you know, so on and so forth, right?

[Top Lobster]

So everyone gets, clip you, I'm gonna clip you over and over again saying.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

That the aliens are mine, are my story. They are mine.

[GoFundMe Announcer]

Right?

[Aiming Rat]

I, I, I want to go over another Aris Arisian myth. And this is the myth of, of Eris and Heracles Hercules, right? So Heracles, and I'm just going to read it straight from this, this website I found because it just says it's a. Heracles was making his way through a narrow pass. He saw something that looked like an apple lying on the ground and he tried to smash it with his club. After having been struck by the club. After having been struck by the club, the thing swelled up to twice its size. Heracles struck at it again with his club, even harder than before. And the thing then expanded to such a size that it blocked Heracles way. Heracles let go of his club and stood there amazed. Athena saw him and said, oh, Heracles, don't be so surprised. This thing that has brought about your confusion is Aporia or conscientiousness and Eris strife. If you just leave it alone, it stays small. But if you decide to fight it, then it swells from its small size and grows large.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

That's the Jews. That's you and the Jews, dude. If you leave it alone, it's okay. And you can pass if you keep smacking it because you smack the Jews constantly. Smack, smack, smack. And then they get super big. The Jews get super big. And then it's like, oh, thanks a lot, man. You made the juice super big.

[Top Lobster]

Dude, they poisoned my water.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Okay, stop smacking them.

[Top Lobster]

No, but the water is going to be poison either way.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

I like that. That's very interesting because right now they're, they're, they're giving us a million things.

[Top Lobster]

See, I think that that is true. Smack to things that are less passive. But we're in a very weird time where it's just in your not gonna.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Sign off on you killing the Jews.

[Top Lobster]

I'm not saying I want to do that. I'm just saying it's so in your, it's in your stuff that there's really nothing you could do about it at this point.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Well, yeah, because you made him so big. Everybody made. Don't sniff that, man. Not when you're in this mindset.

[Top Lobster]

Gotta get into it.

[Aiming Rat]

Was it us smacking the Jews that made them that big or were they that big before and are they used to blocking our paths?

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Little baby Jews? And then we kept smacking them with the club and then they got super big.

[Top Lobster]

I think nobody just, just nobody noticed. It's always been the same thing. Yeah, I think again like we were just talking about Lee Harvey Oswald and jfk, that assassination, how that if you look how that can tie to like the Jewish nuclear program. This is a problem. This is a problem. A long time ago our fathers didn't address it because nobody really knew. It is now we've got to look at it.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

If you, if you look at like the alien thing, right? Like I wonder if if the whole time they kept being like, you know, they're shutting down the nuclear facilities. If we just went and they went, no, but seriously, like they, they keep shutting down and, and, and we can't keep up with them. They're so fast.

[Top Lobster]

And we went stop with the motions.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

And every time they would be like we've recovered off world craft. We went.

[Top Lobster]

But they really are though.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

And then, and then nobody would give us. You would never be able to get to the point of some sort of large scale deception, disclosure.

[Top Lobster]

I'm straight Bible.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

If we just slow jerked at them.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, but they would still do it. But they would still be it matter.

[Aiming Rat]

If they did it.

[Top Lobster]

What do you mean?

[Aiming Rat]

As an egregore, like would it matter if they did it? Like we give them energy. We give them the energy. We give them that spiritual Energy to do these things. So we give them that spiritual energy to deceive us, because we actually allow them to deceive us. We allow them to do it. We want them to deceive us, actually.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Yes.

[Aiming Rat]

Like, we give them that energy because.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

If you imagine having, like, a grandma, a little old grandma. Sweet, sweet grandma.

[Top Lobster]

Sweet grandma.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Sweet, sweet grandma. And. And she doesn't know that all this is happening. And then one day she turns on her TV and they go, attention, Grandma, aliens are here.

[Subliminal Messenger]

And.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

And they're. They're gonna, you know, help us to ascend and all this stuff. And grandma goes, yeah, I'm not doing it. And then she goes, jesus Christ is my Lord and savior. These things are demons. And then that's it. Grandma literally just crushed. She had none of the esoteric knowledge.

[Top Lobster]

See the problem, though? Okay, so now we're talking about aliens versus Jews.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

That's the same thing.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, Israelians. But what I'm saying is, is that most of the church, the ones that are straight Bible, don't see. They don't see it. They can't see it. So what are we supposed to do now if you're not even seeing. And I'm not saying, like, it's all of them. Again, it was. Got to go back and recap this whole problem. It's not all of them, but I'm like, there is a problem here. Nobody can see it willingly. It's a problem. You got to be able to look at it a little bit maybe.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Or if you. It depends. You either look at it a little bit or you are steadfast in your belief in Jesus Christ and that's the only thing that matters, and we just.

[Top Lobster]

Don'T look at it. And none of the thousands of examples throughout history where it's gotten so bad, where nations are like, hey, listen, ultimately.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

It wouldn't matter now. Grandma would die, and then she would go to heaven, and Jesus would be like, yo, you crushed Grandma.

[Aiming Rat]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Grandma would die, go to heaven, and leave us this shit.

[Aiming Rat]

Thanks.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Thanks a lot, Grandma.

[Top Lobster]

Thanks, Boomer class, Grandma.

[Aiming Rat]

All right, fine.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Grandma's now.

[Top Lobster]

Now I'm left to sweep it up. It's like, all right, great. My kids can't buy a house now because of usury, because of all kinds of malfeasance within the government system. I mean, we can go through the health care system. Everybody's sick. Why is everybody sick? Why is everybody paying exorbitant rates? I know, okay, that's fine. But I'm trying to do here. I'm not just Trying to pass through. I'm trying to build something, you know, And I think.

[Aiming Rat]

I think this is also important because I don't mean to cut you off, but I think this is important. What you're. What you're touching on is extremely important. And I think another thing that we've discovered, at least I have doing this research, is that there is a ton of artificial chaos in. Injected into our lives, into our research, into your guys's show, into our show, everything, everywhere. And it really comes down to discernment. Like, is this a golden apple that's meant to distract me, or is this a problem that needs to be uprooted?

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

True.

[Top Lobster]

Good. Yeah. Can I walk around this, or should I hit this with a hammer?

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Right.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, I think that there is a good. There should be a good even ground, but I think that that app will start when it starts to grow on its own. And I don't know. It's just. The problem for me is, like, I've already. We've seen it, and we kind of, like, skirted around it. We're like, all right, whatever. This thing is a distraction.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

But, like, there's a few times.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, we hit it a few times, and we're like, oh, this thing's gonna be a problem. There's other people that were like, hey, dude, come out of that. Like, this is not. Yeah, this is number one. Like, notice that that's poison, right? Yeah, don't hit it like, we hit it. But, like, hey, that's poison. Tell. Tell other people. And, like. But this is the way, like, walk around it.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Make fun of it while you pass it, but don't hit it.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, but, like, look at it, though. You see it, right? And, like, I can't even see that, dude. Can't even look at that. I'm like, that's crazy to me that you can't see that. Guess maybe it's just part of my own ego or something like that. But I'm like, you're not seeing that every single time. You're not seeing that. Why can we. Like, it makes me feel like I'm going crazy. Perhaps. I. Well, you are. I. But. But no, I mean, I think I'm seeing something.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

You can spiral.

[Subliminal Messenger]

Yeah. People don't see it because it hasn't hurt them yet. Maybe they haven't. It hasn't. It hasn't. The war hasn't hit their front door. The front.

[Top Lobster]

But it has.

[Subliminal Messenger]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

The thing is. But it has, because we don't realize it. We talk about iterations of this, like, well, why do you have a food forest? It was like, because the food's poisoned. I was like, why is the food poisoned? I was like, well, you know, because of this and this and that. And I was like, yeah, right. Look who's in charge of the fda. Where are these special interest groups? And it was like, oh, I don't want to get crazy like that. Let's not get crazy like a crazy. What are we talking about here? But I'm just saying, do we need.

[Aiming Rat]

To get him on the show? Do we need to get him on the show right now? We need to talk to him.

[Top Lobster]

We'll handle it.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Who's that? Matt?

[Top Lobster]

We're gonna handle it.

[Subliminal Messenger]

Don't worry about. On the show.

[Aiming Rat]

Don't worry about it.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Are you talking about. Man. I do want to take a second because.

[Top Lobster]

Oh, boy.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

This is a little bit of a deviation, but again, we're trying to do something here. The holiday season is coming up and.

[Top Lobster]

Go play it.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

And ending. NDS wants to. No, don't do that noise.

[Subliminal Messenger]

It's not.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

It's not a sad thing. It's a beautiful thing. It's a good thing. Don't play the sad music, guys, because the holiday season is here and. And NDS is. We've done a lot of things on this show, but have we done a lot of good things?

[Top Lobster]

So.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

So what I'm trying to do is.

[Top Lobster]

You don't even know what's in the box.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

No, I do know what's in the box. It's for the NDS pantry. So somebody sent us something for the upcoming food pantry that we're gonna do. It's gonna be very straightforward. We're gonna donate some of our own money.

[Top Lobster]

Who sent it?

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

I don't know. We're gonna open it and find out. No, it wasn't my wife. We're gonna send some of our own money, and we want the. To give the opportunity to the listeners. If you guys want to donate, all we're gonna do is buy a ton of food from the publics right here, and we're gonna put it out on a table, and we're just gonna make it for free. And it seems like people have already. Oh, that's awesome.

[Top Lobster]

What is.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

That's awesome. Okay, so number one, we got diapers, which is really cool.

[Aiming Rat]

Perfect for David.

[Subliminal Messenger]

What?

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

They're diapers. They can handle it. And another box of diapers.

[Aiming Rat]

Perfect for David.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

You're a diet. No, Matt. And another. Another thing of diapers. So thank you, guys.

[Aiming Rat]

I don't.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

I don't know all three perfect for David.

[Subliminal Messenger]

You a week's worth of diapers and.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Well, I mean you know it's a small contribution but it's an awesome contribution.

[Aiming Rat]

Thank you.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

So basically what I'm getting at is we've started now and if you want to send anything you could send it straight to the standard coffee shop here in. In Lady Lake, Florida on Bella Cruise Drive.

[Subliminal Messenger]

Yes.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Make sure it's kosher free or you can. We'll put up the PayPal for the business thing later and if you guys want to donate and all the money is going to go towards buying goy slop for the. It'll be good stuff for, for people and we're just gonna give it all away and then whatever's left over we're gonna give to homeless shelter that's local. So yeah. Thanks thank you to whoever sent that. If you, if you sent it sound off in the chat because I don't know who you are. It doesn't say who you are in any kind of way whatsoever. But thank you.

[Subliminal Messenger]

All right, anybody in the show, thank you for sending that in.

[Aiming Rat]

Guys, remember. Remember those diapers going to Last David Probably 10 days. So do make sure to send more diapers in. They do need them. We love Nephilim Descot and we want them to keep showing up live. And when David has to take a break to use the bathroom it interrupts the flow.

[Top Lobster]

So anal leakage.

[Subliminal Messenger]

You're a real gluten free diapers please only.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

All right. Please tell me more about Eris and the apples in the and all right. And all this stuff. I'm sorry for you guys. That felt rude.

[Subliminal Messenger]

Not a problem. This is where I get. This is where you guys jump back in. This is where we start identifying who's the who's now benefiting from this. Who's organizing this because now it comes into the. I guess predictive programming mystical where the. Where the whodunits go. Oh the. The Simpsons know everything and the cards predict everything in reality. I think this is organized like in the 1960s and 70s the card game spun off from the. From the Robert Anto Wilson's work work. So when they start showing us stuff in these cards which I'm saying now are. Top is 100 right. I'm calling these oracle cards. I'm not calling this board a game anymore. To me this is a oracle oracle almost divinatoria even because here you have the Trump assassination. You've got the second bullet which you know there was multiple bullets being fired at him when a. When Eamon and I were looking into the card game. There's way more cards associated with this deck. We've only seen these two in the media because of. Because of trump. We went through a handful of other cards, and right around the time that Charlie Kirk was assassinated, this Bob card came up. Eamon showed it to me, and I go, that looks like him. Like, it's the spitting image of. Of Kirk. I kind of overlapped a little bit. And when you go into this card, 13:03 definitely got the same hairline. Yeah, yeah. And he's the. He's the. The image of normalcy. Bob. Bob in the mythology of this. Of this cult was supposed to be like a seller of the. Of the conspiracy. He was supposed to be a person of the conspiracy. And then he. He defects and join. He makes the cult group. But in. In real life, Kirk is. That was the head of his organization. So I think symbolically including with the memes of him having like a large head, these memesters, these chaos magicians are the ones that make the memes. They're just kind of pumping him up into society, kind of putting him into society more and more. If you go into the, The Devival video, the. The Church of the Subgenius movie that they put out, the play that they went around, they shoot Bob and kill Bob in the play at the end of, and they have a party around him, so they're like dancing over his grave and they're continuing the organization without him. And this, the same thing continues with Charlie Kirk. The parallels to me are just a little bit too much. Right. They even have some cards where they say, we're organizing it, we'll do it ourselves. I've been doing something called the Hour, the Hour of the Subversive hour or something like that, where I. I go in in depth, further into the cards, and I kind of make the other links with it. But going from like the Simpsons to the. The more Modern times with that movie that we. That we did. The last presentation we did was about 923 coding. The Illuminati, the. The subliminals and the coding. They put the same things on the cards here. So you've got 33s, 2s, 23s. So this is all in accordance with the. With the symbolism of their organization. When you look at certain cards, they have this, like, big conspiracy that they're trying to do, which is. Which is why I even bought the book. They can't fit it. On these cards here. They say the number sacred to Bob for reasons too Complex and secret to print on this little bitty card. Meditating on 13013 can produce amazing effects. The power for one subgenius group is increased to six. This just gave me a clue that there's something further and deeper to go into. So that got me to purchase the book here. And here they mention class warfare using the different belief systems against each other. That the Subgenius guys, they're just too smart for everything. And they, they, they, they know the answers to everything. And if you join their group, you'll be safe from it all. So they promise you salvation from this. 1990 X, like death day X day. Their apocalypse that they, that they predicted was in 1998, like before the Internet really kicked off and their organization dies down in 1998 because their, their prediction was false. So they kill, they kill the prophets and then they just go over onto the Internet and it's from here that they develop like Telegram and Discord, like the actual apps. Like these people end up making these apps and they end up making like these kind of secret like infiltrated organizations where they communicate through the Internet through Telegram signal app. And even those organizations seem to be infiltrated by the CIA and the government through Project Echelon and all these MK programs, Project Paperclip type of things. Bluebird, Mockingbird, those, those type of projects. I had a longer, a bigger presentation. That's, it's, it's like 70 slides. I can't show it today. This is just smaller, more condensed for you guys. But if we look at some of these cards, I, they're kind of pointing to the future as well. So we got up to the Bob card, the, the, the John, the, the Charlie Kirk assassination. On this one, I feel like it points to them, him being targeted. On his glasses here it says space intruders, which to me he was against immigration. The immigrants were space invaders, space intruders, essentially. So while he's doing his speech here, which interesting people say he was a bomb was used to kill him. He's got like a detonator in his hand here. So this, this.

[Aiming Rat]

But also, but also all the drones, all the drones that everyone said was flying around Charlie Kirk.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Yeah, you know, everyone was like, oh.

[Aiming Rat]

It was that drone. Oh, it was that drone. Why are there so many drones? And you look at the video game card, you see all these space invaders are flying all over Charlie's head and they all pointing at what? Not Charlie, right, this character.

[Subliminal Messenger]

But the character.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Is like one of these apples that you're talking about, right? Which is meant to create Chaos. And, and that does feel like, that's like everything right now is like they're just throwing these apples everywhere. There's this game that's called Expedition 33, I think. And so they just had the video game awards and this game is winning all the awards. And what's interesting is it's become. Yeah. And it's become like the, the subject of a lot of contention because they're. You're playing three women or I don't know if you're playing them. I don't know which one. I won't play a game where the characters are woman, but you know, it's woman and it's, it's. The issue with it is that they are three basically white women and there's no diversity in the game. So all these DEI agendas that have been inserted in every video game for as long as, you know, I can remember now for the past ten years or so. And that's literally as long as I can remember. I have a very short memory. And, and you know, you have like, it's a trans character, is a gay character, there's a black character, there's this character. They don't do that in this game. So everyone's like, it's hyper based. And then the other side of the spectrum is like it's racist and. And da da da da. And all these other games should have won. But everybody's talking about it. It's coming across my feed constantly. It's interesting. It's called Expedition 33 and that you play three women. But it seems like, you know, it's another one of these places where they can throw one of these apples and you know, kind of create all of this, this chaos. Lines of division along racial, along gender, along this and that. I won't play it though, no matter how cool they try to make it look. Because I, I'm not going to play a game where it's all women and that's gay. But. Oh yeah, you have it pulled up here, here. And apparently this.

[Aiming Rat]

No, no, no, no. Oh stop. Have it pulled up. I could tell you, I could tell you very easy way to ignore this game and move it out of your life. You don't have to pay attention to it whatsoever. I'm about to anger like six people that watch your show. It's made by the French. So if that helps you ignore it. There we go.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Well, it's, it's, it's made by the French and then it's, you know, why am I going to. I gotta be women The French can't.

[Top Lobster]

Even assassinate one catty black woman. Why would I play their game?

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

If I was going to do it, I would get it done.

[Top Lobster]

Internet.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Yeah, it's very easy.

[Aiming Rat]

It's a. It's French game. Yeah. Claire. Claire Obscura Exposition 33.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Yeah.

[Aiming Rat]

But it swept the Game awards. Yeah. Swept the Game awards.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

I won't play it. I'm busy just playing old games. I like older games like Mega Man X, and that's pretty much it. All right, so can you bring this back on the stage? You're doing a lot of clicking over there, and it's upsetting me. You can't bring this back on the stage.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, yeah, I could. Do. I do whatever I want.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Do it.

[Top Lobster]

Do it.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Because they got to tell us about this. What's that Big head?

[Top Lobster]

Wow.

[Subliminal Messenger]

Real quick. This is from the play that I was discussing and where they kill Bob and they even. Even hear, how do you. The death of Bob. They even kind of show, like, what we're doing now, us speculating. How do they get Kirk? How do they get him from here, from here, from here? They just show. This is essentially what. What they did to us. And this is really.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

That's what happens in the. In the thing.

[Subliminal Messenger]

In the play. Yeah, in the book. In the play, they did real life and then, like, Chicago or something in 96 or like 86.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Dude. This is what's so crazy. So, you know, after the Kirk thing, like, we talked about it because it was. We were live when it happened, and. Da, da. And then, like, for a week or so afterwards, it was like, was it this guy? Was it that guy? Was it the. The. The shore microphone? And then after that, I was like, don't care anymore. Literally, don't care anymore. I just let it go because it felt like the JFK thing. It's like we got to keep them festive. Like, there are people that are still on it. They're still on it, and it's. They're consumed by trying to figure out the angles. And I'm like, nope, don't give a shit anymore. Because when. When something is demanding that I look at it, that's when I don't want to look at it anymore.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, I think it's. I. For me, it's safe to say when I look at it, I go, wasn't what you said? It is good enough for me? That's it. I don't think we'll ever know, but definitely not that.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Moving on.

[Top Lobster]

Moving on. Yeah. And then it's. And then you watch Other people run narratives, but I think it's a good. It's also a good marker for people like us that are in our space to be like, okay, if somebody's coming out spouting this narrative or that narrative, I'm like, I could kind of safely discard you. I can put you in this box here. Because I'm like, all right, now you're. This is a CIA talking point. This is a Fed talking point. Or you're just dumb. So I'm like, good. This saves me time in the future for things that you're saying later, Mike Cernovich, where I could just be like, yeah, I mean, but we already knew about you.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Or you're. Or you're milking a thing because it's still, like, it's. It's topical. And if we keep talking about it.

[Aiming Rat]

How big can we get that apple?

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Aiming Rat]

Can we get that apple?

[Top Lobster]

It's. It's a blocking point.

[Aiming Rat]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Even. Even, you know, Ian Carroll, like, getting stuck on this and talking on this, it's like, I don't know, what about the kids that they poisoned with. With the telepathy tapes?

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Yeah, well, he didn't say. I wish that was more of a sticking point. But you know, right now where they're talking about, like, I. I'm not trying to sound cruel, but I don't give a single fuck about Charlie Kirk's wife. I don't care what she's doing. I don't care about Turning Point. I don't care at all. And I can see, like, the whole community is whipped up, and they're. And I look at the picture and I go, it does look like she's got so many demons in her. But, like, that's it. That's. That's all I care. I go up, and then I just keep it moving. I don't care at all. When. When Candace Owens comes out and she says the things like, I would struggle really hard to tell you even what's happening there, what she's talking about.

[Top Lobster]

She's got more evidence.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

She's fighting. They're fighting, right? They're not cool with each other right now. Is her and the Kirk lady fucking don't care. That's what I do to the apple.

[Top Lobster]

I go, I don't know. Something's wrong, because I do care. I don't care about the minutia of it. I don't care about, like, the tiny discussions that they're having or the evidence. She's bringing our podcast from day to day, but I do Care that I'm like, it's very clear that that's not what happened here. We all kind of watch this live, and then I like, I watch people believe the lie. Maybe there's something wrong with me, but that's. Maybe that's why we have a show that is like, what it is.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Because, like, I do think we have to talk about it to a degree.

[Top Lobster]

I got to keep hitting the apple, right?

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Yeah, we got to talk about it to a degree. And that's so.

[Top Lobster]

But I'm hitting it from. I feel like I'm hitting it from the back. I've passed it and I'm hitting it from the back. So I guess it's growing, but I'm. I'm already over here. But I'm like, you guys don't see this shit? Hop if I hit it again.

[Subliminal Messenger]

Glaze the apple.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Gotta glaze the apple, do you? A little caramel apple, that's all I.

[Subliminal Messenger]

Get it won't notice unless it's glazed.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Look at how glistening it is. You don't see wax that thing.

[Top Lobster]

See it now? No. Okay. All right.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Yeah, I get it, man. I get it.

[Subliminal Messenger]

Well, this stuff has been around for forever, so just like this apple that's been around forever, it doesn't get noticed until somebody puts attention to it. Like what you guys are doing on your show, this, this cult organization, these belief systems been around forever. If we can share the. The stream again.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, just don't get.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Share it. Dude, you put the slides on God.

[Subliminal Messenger]

This is just, just, just rinse and repeat. These guys are just rinsing and repeating all neo pagan belief systems and like transhumanism ideals and transhumanist ideals, anti Christian ideals. I mean, if we're all made in the images of image of God and these people are destroying organized religions, destroying like thought, the thought process itself, it's just an attack, an attack on humanity. And continuing from the Pro from the 90s projects, Joe Rogan. Joe Rogan is now the one. You. You aptly said that he's Laurel. Laurel Canyon now. He's the one promoting all these himself. So even some of these people come back to his show to promote these LSD DMT trips on a regular basis.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

It's interesting because those, those values used to be introduced through like, you know, sex, drugs and rock and roll. And now they're introduced through like, this intellectual adjacent podcast, you know what I mean, where it's like, he's a little bit funny, but he talks to smart people. So, like, it's okay to take him, seriously. And, and through that, now these. These values are reintroduced into the community or into the, you know, into the culture.

[Top Lobster]

I think the level of sophistication as, like, how much we should pay attention to it is like, it's staggering. So if you don't pay attention to Joe Rogan at all, you don't fall for the Laurel Canyon propaganda, right? But if you don't pay attention to Joe Rogan at all, then you think that Ivermectin is horse pace. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, yeah, that could help.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Now, when I see. Yeah, when I see. What are you doing? Get out of here. When I see Joe Rogan now, I go, I go, I see what you're.

[Top Lobster]

Doing, and then I go, and I like it. I don't know. Where do you like. So rat, personally, where do you stand on what I just said? Because again, we're hitting that apple, right? I'm hitting it from the back, from the sides, blab. But like, that is it. That is a very true fact. If you don't watch Joe Rogan, you're not exposed to the float tank. You might not experiment with dmt. You might not talk to entities and demonstrations and go down this whole pathway that we're talking about of chaos and disorder. If you don't watch Joe Rogan as well, there are some helpful things that might have been inserted in there that you can take. Little pieces, little gems. I don't know how you feel about just Ivermectin or things like that. There might be things that you would miss that would help you on the way. So it's like, you're not. You have your head buried firmly in the sand and you know nothing that's going on or, you know, some or all of it. I don't know.

[Aiming Rat]

For me personally, that is a tricky question, and it's one I've been tackling is I almost had like a breakdown anxiety moment when I, When I, me, me, I know, I know, me of all people. But, like, when I discovered the depth which this chaos, this discordian cult is kind of integrated its fingers into every aspect of our culture. And just how. For a long time I felt like I was causing more problems by saying, hey, check out this discordian cult that's got its fingers in everything. Because not only am I mentioning that this chaos thing is so ubiquitous, but it's also making it more ubiquitous, like, now, now. But, but, but again, knowledge of the problem does not mean you're adding to the problem. Even though this one feels so intangible, you know, even though this one feels like you can't really quite grasp it. And it's. It just. It grows based on knowledge. But, but if we, we point out that it is an issue that, that you are being chucked golden apples at every single turn, that every pathway you walk down is going to have a golden apple, and it's in the middle of it waiting for you to bang it right, or to club it. And the golden apple at the, at the wedding is designed there specifically for you to get mad at your neighbor, mad at your friend, mad at your family. Once you notice that. That the intention of these items is to cause you distress, then you can say, oh, that's where the problem is. The problem isn't with the item itself. The problem isn't with my knowing of the item itself. The problem is that it gets in the way. The problem is, is that it. That it causes me to hate my, my brother. The problem is, is that it causes me to. To. To distance myself from my neighborhood, from my community, from my friends and family. That's the problem of the golden apple. Yeah. To miss the mark to. To. Well, and, and to like. Like there is an element of Joe Rogan specifically that is. It's like there is poison in the solution. There is poison in the antidote. Right. That the, the remedy itself is corrupted. So at that point you have to weigh, is it better to take the remedy and get poisoned or live with the infection that's going to kill me anyway? And that's it.

[Top Lobster]

This is where we come to with like the convergence of the show being, well, like comedy conspiracy. And then on the other hand, we have straight Bible, which I think the Bible is a great solution. But as I keep looking over, I'm like, you're still not like, I understand, like, this is the solution, but you're not seeing this issue here. The solution to what if there's no problem, there's no problem. Right? Problem straight by. But it's like, well, I mean like, like where do you Bridge, is there. Is there a bridging a gap of these two things or is it just like just one oversee the other? Because as you're doing only one, I'm noticing a big hole in the game where it's like, well, we don't see this problem here. And this is affecting.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

I think that not, not to toot my own horn, but I'm gonna toot my own horn.

[Top Lobster]

Go ahead.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

I think that I've come to a really healthy place with all this shit where I wrestled with knowing all of the things. I don't know all the things, but I knew a lot of shit, and it caused a lot of stress in me for a long time. And I wrestled with a lot of people who were close to me to try to see this thing, see it, see it, see it. And. And nowadays I'm much more in this place where, like, I think the problem with the apple isn't so much the apple or noticing the apple or talking about the apple, it's the bonking of the apple.

[Top Lobster]

Don't hit it. Yeah, like, but. But you see that?

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Yeah, yeah. And so the. The comedy really helps where. So we're thinking about bonking in a physical sense, but, like, I know what it's like to never get my hands on any of these conspiracies as far to how to solve them, but still allowing them to just eat me away, like acid and eat away my relationships, like acid and keep me from doing the work that was actually important. And so now I think I'm. The place that I'm in is like, I'm unafraid to talk about the apple. You want to talk about it? I'll tell you everything I know about the apple, but it's always going to end with the apple is unimportant. Don't touch it. Leave it alone. You can understand it. You can understand what makes it tick and how it, you know, what it aims to do and all this shit.

[Top Lobster]

When you kept asking me, you were like, well, then what's the solution? What's the solution with the apple? And I'm like, I don't know, to be honest. Like, deep down inside of me, you want to. I want to be like, kill him. No, no, Like. Like. Like, I wanted to, like, just move it over there. Like, instead of. It's in the path, I just, like, put it over here. Like, you got to go over there because you are a distraction. You are. You're staving this pathway just like over here.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Well, you know what it is, though? It's like, for other people who have noticed the apple, they need to first feel secure before they take your advice on anything. They need to know that you see what they see. And that's where our job comes in, is we go, hey, we see it. I'll tell you about it. I'll tell you about how you're seeing a thing that is real, how it's actually maybe even a little bit worse than you think, how it's been happening, what it hopes to Achieve all this shit, right? And now that you go, okay, cool. This guy sees what I see, then we go. It's not about that, though, dude, you got to come over here. You got a K, the J in your own heart. You got to pick up your cross. You got to focus on the work that's actually important. Because this thing for this thing that presents itself as a problem that needs solving, It'll take your whole life. It'll take your whole life. And your life should be dedicated to a different type of work.

[Top Lobster]

That is true. That is. Yeah, I'm having problems drawing the distinct thing, delineating line, but not. Not for myself, but, like, in explaining that.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Yeah, I. But I think that's it. I think it's like. Cause you really can't. You know, that was the problem with the church for me when I was younger, was like, wait, wait, you guys don't see all these apples, though. These apples are crazy, dude. These apples, there's like giant plastic ones that they're gonna put your dead bodies in when they declare martial law, and they're gonna turn the Walmarts into FEMA camps. Like, you guys don't see that? And they're like, stop, leave me alone. So I'm in my mind, I'm like, I can't even fuck with you if you don't see these apples, dog. So now what we get to be is the people that go like, no, no, no, no, no. Yes, the apples are there. Let's. You want to talk about them? No, harm. Don't bonk it. Let's talk about it. Let's talk about these apples, baby. We got time. I don't know how much time you need, but we got time to talk about the apples. Maybe 200 and some odd, 300 and some odd, 400 and some odd episodes apples of talking about the apples as long as you need so that you realize I'm on the same page as you, but this is the conclusion that I came to. Let me guide you over here. Come over here. Get away from the apple. Don't touch the apple. The apple wants you to touch it, dude. And that's what I'm fucking talking about. The apple wants you to touch it. It wants you to bonk it. Yeah, can't bonk the apple, dude. This is really cathartic and really important.

[Top Lobster]

I'm not talking about. Yeah, I know. I'm not saying I'm gonna bonk the apple. I think I. We already.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

You want to bonk it so bad.

[Top Lobster]

No, but when people. When people Start, like, talking shit like that. I'm like, then maybe I will give this thing a tap.

[Aiming Rat]

If you guys didn't want to bonk the apple so bad, you would not be having this one on one, friendly, nice little chat with your best friend, Timothy Alberino.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

I love Timothy.

[Top Lobster]

Alberto, is that really about apples?

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

I guess I think it's about apples, yeah. Well, yeah, it's all about. Everything's about apples. Ultimately, everything's about apples. Because I. I see it. I go, oh, my God, dude, there's a super bonkable apple coming.

[Aiming Rat]

It's.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

And it's just begging to be bonked. And it's bigger than all the other apples, and they're about to drop it here soon. And we got to be like, guys, don't bonk the apples. The apples, they're demonic. It's Jesus Christ.

[Aiming Rat]

Desire. It's desire. It's desire. The apple is desire. Because I want. We all want to. We all want to listen. There's nothing more that I want from you guys than to see you have a nice, friendly little tea party with your best friends. My best friend. And. But is that. Isn't that the problem?

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Oh, my God. Are you saying. Are we getting ready to bonk the apple?

[Aiming Rat]

I don't know.

[Subliminal Messenger]

Yeah, we're going to. You're going to sprout a lot more conversations about real apples, CGI apples, demonic apples. Right? Isn't that. Essentially.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

I just. We got to be careful, because if he shows up, if Timothy Abacortuna shows up and he presents us a bankable apple and it's shiny and it's juicy, and he's just, you know, throwing it around. Bonk it. Bonk it.

[Subliminal Messenger]

Oh, how about an egg?

[Top Lobster]

My apple, baby.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Bonk my apple, baby.

[Aiming Rat]

Damn it.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Dude, we got to be careful.

[Subliminal Messenger]

What about eggs?

[Aiming Rat]

At the same time? At the same time. Will you guys. Will you guys be accidentally giving him a bonkable apple?

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

I would say our. Our apples kind of think so.

[Top Lobster]

I think he's firmly implanted in the apple.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Oh, yeah. Like the apple of Israel. Like, is that what you're like?

[Aiming Rat]

I don't know.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Anyway, guys, can we get back to these slides? Because we're doing a lot of apple talk, and I'm. I need more.

[Subliminal Messenger]

Okay, sure. We've got eggs. We don't have apples right now. We've got eggs. We'll paint them green for you.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

All right?

[Subliminal Messenger]

Or white or whatever color apples come in.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Definitely not white.

[Subliminal Messenger]

Yeah, red. The inside. So identifying where this stuff comes from, if you read the Book enough, you find out this is all just remixing old paganism and witchcraft and stuff like that. So it calls back again to Greek mythology, like ancient mythology. And it comes to Diana the feces. She snuck into the book here. Had I not seen your episode with Jamie Dwyer Dyer Dwyer, I would not have seen. Noticed this. This is something I just recently added to the slide here. And this is relevant because the people that are associated with the. The Church of Subgenius have be. Have done a Neopagan revival in the United States through different parks in the United States. Like a park system, like private parks and public parks. Through this magazine called Green Egg has been around, I think since the early 70s. They have reintroduced Neo paganism into the United United States. They fund these organizations. I think they're involved in funding this book. They're the ones that they actually put a lot of money into the. This, this drug, like what is it called? Multi Disciplinary association for Psychedelic Studies. They kind of invest into each other. So they invested into the Church of the Subgenius, they invested into these people's programs. So they're kind of like these people make money, they invest into this. Later, the Ivan Stang, he's the one who ends up being like the figurehead organizer for a lot of these events. So this turns into the Church of the All Worlds and something called the Druidic Fellowship. This is throughout the United States and they have something called the Starwood Festival, something called the Winter, Winter Star Symposium. So these are, you know, Neil Pagan festivals in, in the U.S. related to the travel around the colleges. So this is Cleveland, Ohio based. The Church of the Sub Genius was out here in California. They got, they got a lot of money, a lot of funding. Some they got access to the Internet right away when it first came up and they moved to Ohio. And the colleges up there are really infiltrated with these organizations. They have their own little like. What do you call it? Fraternities. Fraternities and stuff. And within the fraternities they have smaller groups. One of them called the Chameleon Club, which would have been Chaos Magicians in the colleges. This is in the US and at the same time in the uk the actual like official chaos magic is being developed over there. So to me they're like spreading out and putting these belief systems and modernizing and bringing it to the, to the college level. To students that go into college, they, they, they get out of school. They all have their assignments, they all have their belief systems and they make different organizations. Yeah, and this is just kind of Oops. And this is just kind of. Sorry. That's. That's for Tom in the Discord. He actually helped a little bit of this presentation. Shout out Tom. And yeah, that. It's just if you watch the documentary that, that Ivan staying is in, he's wearing the shirt of this. Of this Church of the All Worlds. He doesn't mention it. So they want you to research this stuff. They want you to be curious about it. You know, point at the apple and let's go look at. Why is it shiny? You know, you research the. And all their. All they're documenting all their. Just the way that they promote themselves. It's very like clues and tidbits, breadcrumbs left here and there. So they would leave little flyers like this. Are you abnormal? Do people think you're strange? They'll leave this in books. They'll leave this lying on the road and stuff. So you go research these people. So like the Rosicrucians Church, essentially they were this organization that kind of exists, but not really. They want you to go research these people and search these people out.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

This is very familiar. This reminds me of. Of a. What would you call it? Like a live larp. I don't know what the hell it's like. You know, QAnon is kind of this. This IRL LARP or not LARP. What the hell is the type of video game? Like a live action role.

[Top Lobster]

Okay, yeah.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

So there was one of these that took place. It had something to do with a cicada or something like that and like cicada7seven something or another hacker.

[Subliminal Messenger]

Like a hacker thing, Right? Like they have.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Yeah, yeah. So they, they do this every once in a while. Cicada seven seven.

[Aiming Rat]

ARG is the ARG.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Thank you. Yeah. The infamous Cicada 3301. Oh, that's interesting. 3301. I mean that's literally. It's like Bob. Yeah, it's like Bob. A series of complex online challenges from 2012 to 2014 used to recruit talented cryptographers, including codes, hidden messages and philosophical concepts. And so this was like, you know, they do this every once in a while where they. They drop out, you know, I guess. Yeah, I guess it's an apple, but it's to fascinate people and draw them into this. I don't know. I guess. Is it a.

[Top Lobster]

It's like anonymous as well.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Anonymous was definitely one of them, but this was a little bit more. It's almost like Mother Horse eyes. The Mother Horse eyes is like Leaving breadcrumbs all across Reddit and then leaves it up to the people to like, start putting it together. This is very, very similar. Yeah, Cicada 3301 was what it was.

[Top Lobster]

There's something about, like, the seeking out and I mean, what scripture is that?

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

I love that.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, it's Ecclesiastes, where it's like, it's up to God to conceal a thing and it's a.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

The glory of kings to seek it out.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. To like, to uncover it, but it's like, I don't know. Can. Can that also be manipulated?

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Top Lobster]

For the other side. Cuz when you do find something and you're like, this is profound, but really you found shit. Like, it's a. We bought the kids to that. That place that had, you know, the aardvark. And there's like a. There's this big slide where it's like, oh, you can mine for gold in here. And basically it's just dirt, but there's like little pieces of shiny whatever. And the kids are like, oh, I found it. Yeah, you're on a waste. This is a waste of your time, in a way. Yeah, you're on an adventure, baby.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

I mean, you know, I think nothing. There's value in it as long as you don't stay there. You have to move past it eventually. And I, I've. God knows I've stayed there for a long time. I thought you were gonna use an analogy of like, when you think you found a cute blind pig, but really.

[Top Lobster]

It'S like, ernesto, Ernesto, we're watching you, baby.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

So, yeah, man, I can see that. Like, this is actually a really fascinating conversation because I see that constantly knowing that there's this, this, you know, concept from antiquity that has to do with the lower case G gods throwing these apples around and causing chaos. I mean, to me, whether it's an analogy or it's the truth, it's the best way to describe exactly what we're going through right now. And I feel like these little things, you know, throughout history were like the little moments where they did it. Now they're just like, like, somebody's got a T shirt gun, and they're just like mass launching golden apples into. But it was, it was like they had to get us to a point where, number one, we were incredibly distrustful of, you know, the official narrative. So you first had to get us there, and then you had to give us these platforms where all these eggs were going to be disseminated. I think Twitter is being you know, probably the most utilized one. And then you have other ones like 4chan and shit like that, where these things are happening. But that's exactly, exactly what we're being subjected to right now is just this bukkake of eggs.

[Subliminal Messenger]

Eggs.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

I'm sorry, not eggs. Apples. And a little bit. And. And each one of them is like this wild goose chase, you know, into the. Into some sort of esoteric information where you're probably getting indoctrinated. This is, honestly, I think, exactly what the Bible talks about when it's like, lean not on your own understanding because.

[Top Lobster]

You'Re gonna end up in one of these pits.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

You're gonna end up in one of these pits blacking these apples.

[Subliminal Messenger]

That was one of the things. Sorry to cut you off top. That was one of the things that came up during this presentation, especially, like, deciding what is going to be useful going forward and what are we going to get rid of. And. And a lot of the stuff that came out of this, I'm like, I don't. We don't need this. This is not helping the cause. This is not helping my understanding of Christ, of what my purpose is to. To this, everyone, Everything that I'm doing. This is all the filler that they use to keep you busy.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Yeah, well, I think what you. What you guys do a really great job of, better than. Better than us is you have this really. You're willing to. Reading.

[Top Lobster]

Reading words, letters.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

You're willing to read, but, like, sometimes numbers, dude, People need to know that you know the super secret special shit that they know, and only then are they willing to listen to you. And if every soul is worth as much as any other soul, and if everybody is. Is loved by God and has to be brought to Christ, then like, those people who aren't gonna move until somebody comes along and says, hey, man, I see, homie. Yes.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, I see that too. And I guess maybe it's not my job to convince people that don't need to. Maybe they don't need to see it.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Yeah, some. Like I said that old lady who, when they do an alien disclosure, goes, nope. Demonic. I'm following. Jesus Christ. You're good. She's good. Honestly. You know what?

[Top Lobster]

It's. It's part of me too, man. I. Maybe I'm like, I've always been like a hipster about it, but, like, I don't know if you were the same way, Rhett, but as a musician, I come across a guy, especially playing in church and like, like, I'm gonna play this hymn and you read the hymn. You scroll through. I'm like, wow. The. The instrumentation in this fantastic. Like, there's, like, key slips, there's time slips. It's beautiful. And he goes, Capo, 4G, C, D. Just simplified to the dumbest version you can do. He plays it, and I go, satisfactory. No, no. You listen to it. And to the normal person, they go, that was a song. But I go, oh, you're missing the intricacies. You're missing the beauty of it. And then I'll play it. And I'm like, look at this chord. There's like a. I don't know, diminished seventh into, like, a major seventh. I was like, look at that. Look at the. And most people look at it and go, the fuck are you talking about?

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Can't hear that most. I was asking my parents yesterday. I was like, do you know what was wrong with the music yesterday? They're like, it was great, dude.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

They kind of blapped up a couple things.

[Top Lobster]

Once I tell you, though. Yeah, Once I tell you, then you.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Go, I only pay attention to it because you've bought these things too much.

[Top Lobster]

I bonked the apple. And I was like, it's this guy.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Now it's a problem.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, now. But now you've. And I'm sorry for that. Okay, so this is. Yeah, this is a great example. And I like. I like the church that we're going to, but, like, I am just a natural critic of it. And I go, that guy's off time. That guy's off time. Every time he's off time, I'm like, oh, man, it's. It's ruining.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

A thing for me. But some people are like, yo, hands up. Like, I don't even hear it. I'm like, I think you're ruining something here. I think that even. Even though these people are ignorant to it, I think that there are some, like, specific vibrations that need to be kept in tight order. And when you don't keep that in tight order.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Even if the normal people don't notice, it's a problem. You're disrupting this cosmic order of things. And I'm like, that's the problem. And I go, hey, David, what'd you think about? And he goes. And I said, do you know why? And he goes, no. And I said, let me tell you why.

[GoFundMe Announcer]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

And I go, somebody says, somebody. I would. Somebody said like, his.

[Top Lobster]

His cymbals. Crashes are not falling with the core changes. Simple as. Like, once you hear that, and you go, oh, shit. Yeah. And now every time you're like, now.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

I can't bop my head. Oh, shit. Yeah, it's all fucked up now.

[Top Lobster]

But it is.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Yeah, it's all fucked up.

[Top Lobster]

It's all. The thing is, it always has been. Now is it. Is it my fault. Is it my fault, though, now? Because, like, you were. You were, like, listening and worshiping in.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Ignorance, having a good time.

[Top Lobster]

Having a great time in the slop.

[Aiming Rat]

At one point, at some point, when those. Those intricate mistakes are pointed out enough, someone will not be able to listen to that music whatsoever without getting irritated by it. As a former. As a former worship leader, I know exactly what you're talking about. I would not talk about any of the mistakes we'd make. I made it pretty. Pretty early on. My. My. The old leader, she came up to me, she's like, we're gonna make a lot of mistakes.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Aiming Rat]

Do not talk about them whatsoever. Once they're done, they're out of here. Get out. Get. Get off the stage. You're done. And so I just stopped talking about the mistakes. No one notices. Sometimes they're major goofs and we laugh it off. But for the most part, I miss a chord change. You know, we're. We're in. We're in C, and I start the song in G. Oh, not gonna talk about it. We're just gonna keep moving.

[Top Lobster]

Correcting. That's a great. The thing with music is that, like, oh, we're moving forward. There's emotion. So the stuff before is almost forgotten. You've wiped it over.

[The RealReal Announcer]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

But let me ask you, though. Do you think that there's a significance of you messing this song? If. If this is worship to God and we're trying to do this in a uniform way that is perfect, that you think that there's a. Do you think this is a significance when you're creating dissonance or disorder within it?

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

I think that time frame knows your heart. And he's like, look at these retards. Look at these trying their best to worship.

[Top Lobster]

Look at these retards coming up and presenting this with. Without practicing. How dare you?

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Well, I mean, you know, if.

[Aiming Rat]

If you want my. Yeah, if you want my perspective of it. Worship is not about the music. The music is important. It's vital for orchestrating the. The worship. But when it comes down to it, you're not. You're not presenting. The music isn't being presented to God by itself because there's. There's a difference between worship music and worship. Thing is, you want to get everyone into the spirit of Coming together in the name of God. You want everyone to. Coming together in that same vibration, right? You want everyone together singing out the song, the chords, is why modern worship just has the easiest, sometimes dumbest lyrics you could think of, is because everyone can sing along and everyone gets into that spirit and everyone moves forward. The music, honestly, is supplemental to that. It. If it's not perfect, I understand as. As the inner musician, the inner perfectionist myself, I. It. It loathes me to say, but the music is not the focus of worship. It never has been. It's mostly been a channel with which you can get everyone onto the same board, everyone onto the same field.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

What's an interesting thought is like, so you're saying when people don't notice the imperfections in the music, they're just caught up in gratitude and worship. And. And then once you point it out to him, it kind of ruins him. And that's kind of like human. Human nature, right? Once you notice it, then you can't unnotice it and it becomes a problem. What if you have a nefarious actor within that body of music that's now screwing it up on purpose and trying to get you to notice for the very explicit purpose of knocking you out of that. That feeling of gratitude and worship?

[Top Lobster]

What if it's. What if it's something as simple as there's seven other people up here. Every time this happens, I watch their face. I watch them flinch. Nobody looked at their brother and said, we got to fix that. You know what I mean?

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

What I was using was an analogy for the Jews.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. I'm just saying, whether it's intentional or not, it's also up to the person next to them to be like, hey, there's an issue here. There is an apple. We don't have to bonk it, but we've got to.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

We've got to fix it if we're being honest.

[Top Lobster]

Fixable.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

The bankable apple. He's like 80. He's 80. You know, Laney said something here that I think is really important.

[Top Lobster]

Now we're pulling up Laney tweets.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

He says having secret knowledge is always gnostic and Kabbalistic, like using the special magic word Yahweh. And what that brought to my mind was like, oh, yeah, like with Jesus, everything was made really simple. Really, really simple. And. And all of the cabalistic gnostic shit, you should know it because, you know, it helps to help guide your brother, and it helps to know what they're doing and to be unsurprised by but you shouldn't obsess over it, and you shouldn't think that you can necessarily change it, because Christ made everything really simple. It's like gratitude, repentance, believing in Christ and leading a life that is indicative of carrying your own cross, dealing with your own sin, and following Jesus. That's like, really simple. In a realm. It's kind of actually beautiful. In a realm where everything is super complicated, super conspiratorial, secrets are everywhere and everything. It's like, how could any one person hope to navigate this and get to the afterlife in any meaningful way, to something that's good? And it's like, actually, the way's been made for you. It is very simple. And it doesn't really involve all this. I think our purpose is to help people along with all the crap that we've learned, you know, But.

[Top Lobster]

But then you, when you point back to. To show them that thing. Now we're back in the same loop that we've been talking. This chaos, this disorder.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

What kind of loop?

[Subliminal Messenger]

I said it earlier in the chat. I think gifts of the Holy Spirit, your gift of the Holy Spirit would just maybe cause awakening or discernment in someone else and cause their gift of the Holy Spirit to activate. And they do it to someone else and someone else and someone else. I. I don't disagree with Top saying we have to do something physical. We're in a physical realm. But I think you could awaken people faster through Christ, faster than they can destroy your soul through whatever methods they're doing. You know, it's kind of funny how.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Much they go through to try to. Like, it takes a lot to try to destroy your soul, huh?

[Subliminal Messenger]

And they're gonna lose.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Still, you are trying hard. You're dumping a lot of money into this thing. You're doing a lot of effort, generational thousands of years, even plots and plans to try to destroy our soul. Like, it's hardy. Yeah, it's hardy. But, you know, there's ways. They, they've. They've created these ways. It's just like, I think that that's, you know, that's what we do. I think that's what you guys do. That's really great.

[Top Lobster]

Isn't Covid a great example of that? Like, they spent man a year and a half, just like speed running the worst things you could do for society, basically tearing it down. And then I watched and I was like, oh, look, there goes, like the window companies, and they're actually making windows again on time. Like, you disrupted everything, shut the whole world Down. And then after like three to six months, everyone was kind of like back on.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

What they were doing naturally and they were like, that was disorder. We didn't like that. And. But like people just kind of healed regularly. So I'm like, that's an extreme amount of, of disruption that you applied. And it didn't last as long as you would have liked it to. It was still very nasty. Don't appreciate it. But what it is is them like holding on to a pull up bar and they're holding on and it's like, well, how long can you hold on to that thing? Yeah, like you're going to fall off. Because that's. It's not easy to do. Just like, just let go of that. But I guess that's what they're going to continue.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

I like it though. I think that the conversations are fun once, you know, like, it's like, wow, if. If the way has really been paved for us and our sins have been paid for and there's like. Because it's, you know, without hope, then it becomes like this big spiraling nonsense thing. But once you have Christ in the center of that and you're like, oh yeah, we've already got a way through this. It's already been. The debt's already been paid. Now all this becomes fun because then you can look at it and go like, yo, how crazy is this realm? How crazy is this realm where they want you to plug into a 9 to 5 and sit in a cubicle and live life on repeat until you.

[Top Lobster]

Explain expired the holiday cookies atma. Who is a girl.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

That's right. You do a. Hey, maybe you do. What do you call that? Secret Santa. Come on, do a secret Santa.

[Aiming Rat]

Get white elephant. Right? The white elephant.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Which is what? Isn't even the white elephant.

[Top Lobster]

It's a nasty game.

[Aiming Rat]

Oh, it's brutal. It's brutal. I've got screwed over so hard.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

A white elephant.

[Aiming Rat]

It was. Pissed me off. Ruined Christmas. Ruined Christmas. I had it. That's it. It was like a $300 gift card to Target. I was like, oh, this is amazing. And I was the last one. I forgot one person.

[Top Lobster]

I was like, now you know who's who, though. You don't know what white elephant is.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Like, yeah, white elephant is where like you just give. Like, what is it? You, you, you can switch your steel. You could steal.

[Aiming Rat]

You could steal.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Yeah, you.

[Aiming Rat]

Everyone brings a gift and puts in the center. And then on your turn, you could either take gift or take someone else's gift.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

That's so Dirty. That's so dirty. I mean, you know, these are the things that we get, though. That's the excitement that we get.

[Aiming Rat]

A whole bunch of golden apples in the center of a group of people. We all just Mighty Joker.

[Top Lobster]

This is how we celebrate Jesus in America.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

I think that somebody said, oh, no, black elephant, your shit is stolen. Oh, no, that's not good.

[Subliminal Messenger]

Oh, man.

[Top Lobster]

I feel like we disavow. It's nice to have these. These kind of episodes because this was timely. This was hard. It's hard to talk about this stuff with, especially with people who don't get it.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Yeah, Matt the diaper baby bitch.

[Top Lobster]

And then it just gets conflated and confused. But it's like, you guys get it. You guys. You understand what I'm saying? And I'm, like, not trying to do all this stuff. I'm just trying to. I'm just trying to work it out in my head again. I'm trying to talk it through.

[GoFundMe Announcer]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

I mean, you know, it's. It's difficult. The nature of this realm that we live in.

[Top Lobster]

Are you telling me don't touch the apple? Don't bonk the apple? When this show is over, I'm walking right out, not even talking to him.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

He's not gonna turn the lights off.

[Top Lobster]

That's my apple.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

No, you can bonk it up. Bonk it up.

[Top Lobster]

Not gonna bonk him up, man.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

No.

[Top Lobster]

He just keeps getting bigger.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

He does keep his ears. Yeah. So I don't know, man. It's.

[Aiming Rat]

Every time you bonk Matt, he adds an extra T to the land of his name.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

It's just all these teaspoons. Yeah, man. I think that this was an interesting conversation to have at this time, because even today, I was on Twitter and I saw the homie who won't ever come on our show, Nick Hinton. And he has a great way of. He keeps hitting me up. I don't even hit him up anymore. He's like, I'm gonna come on. I go, all right, he's gonna come. He's gonna come. But he has a great way of. Of laying these things out. I think he does see a lot of these things for what they are. I think he's also burdened with crippling anxiety or whatever, won't come on the show. But he's saying, like, that there is this weaponization of, you know, the truther community, which. Which I honestly, I'm fine with, because to be a truther is to be overtly gay. And so I don't want that label I don't want that on me. And now that I'm moving away from it, I'm like, yeah, it is. It is hijacked. What a perfect place to drop a bunch of apples. And that's exactly what's happening right now. And I think that that. That story that you guys laid out there with the wedding and everything, like, that's. That's exactly what the hell we're being subjected to. And I hope through that lens, people can understand it, because people get mad, man. People get mad when you say, like, yeah, but the point isn't to get mad about that. You know, they go, well, what do you mean? What do you mean it's happening?

[Aiming Rat]

As angry. If you're not as angry as I am about this, that means you're the enemy. You are CI. You're the fed. You've been paid off. How dare you not be mad about this? That I'm mad about. Don't you know how big this apple is?

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

How big and how tiny? It's huge. And people, people. But that's the. The trap is the. The apple yearns to be bonked.

[Top Lobster]

I just want to politely ask the apple to leave. But you're right. The apple will not leave. Yeah, but I think that again, I just feel like that's just a fair position. Just be like, hey, man, you know that you're causing a lot of disruption. A lot of people want to. Middle of the path. It's right in the middle of the path. Yeah, Right in the middle of my path. How dare you. Move aside, please.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Nothing new under the sun, though, dude. Nothing new under the sun. It's the same in this realm. This is the. That, like, the gift of noticing, the gift of discernment. The gift of, you know, being able to see. Is the same. Is the same. The curse of it is that you're not meant to bonk it. It's a thing that you see it, and it's like, bonk me, Daddy. And you. You go camp. You can't bonk you because it makes everything worse.

[Top Lobster]

I'm gonna bonk it.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

I'm gonna bonk it, guys. Thank you, man. This was a cool conversation. This is a cool topic, and I think it's important. And where can people find everything else that you guys bonk.

[Aiming Rat]

You? You do it this time.

[Subliminal Messenger]

Oh, yeah. I'm plugging for Matt right now. Come over to Rumble. Check out Disagree to agree on Rumble. And thank you. Come again, shout out Tom for recommending I leave the episode with that. Yeah, check out Disagree to agree we're on this over on Rumble. And check out on our Twitter, Manuel labor and Season of the Rat over on Twitter.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Right?

[Top Lobster]

And Building 7 as well. I need one of these stickers. The Ayn Rat. Love live laugh. Love one. That should go on my laptop.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

This was good, guys. This was good. Yeah. Come back soon and tell us some other man.

[Top Lobster]

You never know what you're gonna get. Aiming rat. He goes, yeah, come on.

[Aiming Rat]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

I'm like, he's gonna.

[Aiming Rat]

Come on.

[Top Lobster]

What's he gonna.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

He's gonna. He's gonna come.

[Top Lobster]

What's he gonna do to us this time?

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

He's gonna bonk us. Or he's gonna tell us not to bonk, maybe. And that's good. That's good.

[Top Lobster]

You never know.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

That's true.

[Top Lobster]

Maybe give.

[Aiming Rat]

Last time we went on. Last time we went on, we had a severe bonking thing. Like, it was an entire two hours of just us just bonking you. Right?

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Yeah, it was like nine, two, three.

[Top Lobster]

Yes. Yeah, that's what it was. And this episode is more of, like, a solution of like, well, here is the bonk. But here you don't bonk. To bonk or not to bonk? I guess that's the question.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

It's like you're on a narrow path and there's an apple, and the apple, you know, you notice it. But Donkey, it's gonna block the narrow path.

[Top Lobster]

That was Heracles and Athena. Is that what you said?

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

I prefer Hercules.

[Aiming Rat]

Heracles. Well, Eris is the goddess of discord, right? And Heracles or Hercules went on the path and clubbed it, and Athena told him, don't club the apple. It actually stays small if you just ignore it. And which, you know, for a lot of situations is the truth. I mean, you know, obviously, discernment require is required. And some situations do have to be addressed. Like the infiltrating member of the worship team Top got to kill him. But other things, you know.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Well, what I do need to do before we depart from this, we didn't even touch on it. And I just want to say it briefly. The psychological apple is. Is just like, when there's a thing and you're worrying about it and it's coming in the future, and it could be anything, right? It could be like, oh, how am I going to pay my bills? How am I gonna do this? Anything, whatever. If you don't have the power to change it in that moment and you obsess over it and you obsess over it, you suffer this thing, it becomes absolutely Massive. And then you suffer it again when it actually comes to pass and it's all. It just kills you.

[Top Lobster]

That is true. Or you kill the Jews. It's not. I mean, in my experience. Or you suffer it. You prepare for it.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

And then other people don't suffer because you've now created an adequate solution for this.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Well, that's what I'm saying. If you can fix it, then you do that. If something is out of your power and it's coming and you go, like, I've done everything that I could do. That's when you give it up to God and you quit bonking it.

[Top Lobster]

Well, how do we know what's out of our. You know, how do. How do you know what's out of your power? How do I know the things I'm supposed to address?

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Right. Well, that's what I'm talking about. I'm talking about, like, let's say within the psychological context, if I have a public speaking thing to do and it's making me very nervous, like that kind of stuff. I'm just talking about the purely. The psychological phenomenon. Well, you prepare.

[Top Lobster]

Somebody would say, oh, well, just pray. I was like, no, no, no, you better study.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Oh, you should pray too.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, yeah, but you. You better study, because if you just pray, God's gonna be like, why are you talking to me right now? Yeah, you should be practicing this line because this is all here for you. But you don't ready.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Those are things that are actionable. You don't freak out. You don't smash it and smash it. It gets bigger and bigger and it causes you all this anxiety. It's like, no, do your job and then give what you can't do up to God and then just move forward.

[Top Lobster]

I just don't think we need apples in society.

[Aiming Rat]

Real quick, last thing, last thing, specifically about this topic here. Back in my old church, I had a. We had a pastor and we had an assistant pastor. And occasionally, when the head pastor would go for the week, have to go up to Northern California or whatever, the assistant pastor would give a sermon. And one week, the assistant pastor gave a sermon on the. I'm blanking on the passage. But it's essentially I could do all things through. Through Christ who strengthens me, or through Christ within me. And assistant pastor was like, yeah, so this just means you put everything on God, put everything on Jesus and. And leave everything to him. And he will take care of you because he takes care of his flock. He, you know, he makes sure they're fed. He makes sure, the. The fisher fish have food, you know, and stuff like that. And, you know, no one really thought of it. But I. I told. I told the pastor when he got back, like, the. The message, because he wanted to get updated, and he's like, no, it's all wrong. So the next week, he gave a message on the same passage. And he said, no offense to Pastor Bob, but here's the thing. I could do all things through. Strike. Through Christ who strengthens me is not about giving everything to Christ, but it is realizing that Christ within you strengthens you to do all of these things. So you are still the actor doing these things. You're not giving it up to God because God is already within you. You are doing it because God is working through you.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

That's like, that kind of line of thinking would have Noah be like, well, God will provide a boat.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, man, you better. You better work hard. If you think that, like, if you think that you're just going to be given these things and bless these things, if you think that you just owed something, it's not. I mean, I don't know, maybe it will come to you, but it's not going to be in the form that you want. You gotta. You kind of gotta. This is where I'm always stuck at. And my parents tell me the same thing. I'm like, I want a thing. I'm gonna build the thing. And they go, why are you getting so crazy over this? I was like, because I'm gonna build this thing. And they're like, yo, just relax. Like, let God do. And that's true in a sense. Like. But then it's also. Look at. Look at what we've done here. We're like, okay, we want to do a thing. And I'm like, I'm gonna build it as much as I can. And it doesn't matter how much sleep I lose or whatever, how much effort I need to put in, I'm gonna build the thing. But then God also comes through and he's like, here you go. Here's. Here's this. Yeah, but, like. But I'm. I'm trying. But then how. Also, how much of that trying is like, maybe 20% of it is just useless trying because I'm building stuff, but maybe in the wrong direction, but I don't know. But, like, I have to. I have to try.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

God is pleased when you're, like, working. And then if he. It's like, almost like he looks at you and he goes, yeah, he's getting it. And he'll drop a little miracle on you, and then, like, something will just happen and you'll get pulled in a different direction and that'll open up and it's like. But if you're just sitting there with your fingers in your butt.

[Subliminal Messenger]

Rhett.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Matt, I looked at amen at the start of the show.

[Aiming Rat]

Oh, no, no, no, no.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Listen.

[Aiming Rat]

They're broken. Okay? It's broken. My fingernail's broken. That's the problem.

[Subliminal Messenger]

I look like shoving it up there.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Around the edges, and I got that. I don't know, but whatever. Yeah, I think he. He doesn't like.

[Aiming Rat]

Because I shove them up my butt.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

All right, guys, we gotta bring it in for a landing. Thank you, guys, for joining us, and this really was a great conversation. I actually think this is going to help a lot of people. Help me. It helped me. Did it?

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. You don't look like it.

[Subliminal Messenger]

Shut up.

[Top Lobster]

Guys. Thank you. And, guys, again, I don't know what we're going to be doing the rest of this week, but we'll be back. We always come back, right?

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

I guess.

[Top Lobster]

Come back. Don't forget to obey. Submit and comply. Goodbye.

[David Lee Corvo (The Raven)]

Death spot. Death spot.