C (2:09)

Is that where the lady has been threatening us?

B (2:11)

There's no lady that's been threatening us. There's no lady that's been threatening to show up to the coffee shop to cause bodily harm to us. There's no lady that's been standing outside of it screaming, she doesn't exist. Apparently, she's not real. I'm not even sure if that's a. That's a true thing. Anyway, guys, welcome to NDS Chronicles. You have a great guest today. We do have a great guest.

C (2:30)

Nobody cares who you are.

B (2:31)

Well, I'm gonna do it anyway. And actually, you know what? I'm gonna introduce Tori. Tori, who's not from Canada, is here to share a story with us. I Actually don't know. Do you know what the story is?

C (2:42)

I don't know at all.

B (2:43)

You don't know at all?

A (2:44)

Gremlin story.

B (2:45)

It's a gremlin story.

C (2:46)

That's right. Yeah.

B (2:48)

I want to say before we get into it, that you don't get many gremlins. No, we don't. Pretty rare. Yes. You think we got an interesting story, too?

C (2:54)

Feeding them at night Gremlin or.

B (2:55)

Yeah, we'll see. Okay.

C (2:57)

All right.

B (2:57)

Well, we do, though. I want to lay this out. We've created an interesting situation here where. Yeah, maybe. Maybe a lady can show up outside and scream and. And call for our deaths or whatever's happening.

C (3:08)

No, she's just asking for food.

B (3:10)

I don't know.

C (3:10)

We said no.

B (3:11)

She might be hungry. Yeah, but we also get people that show up and get to share their stories with us. Yeah, we have an interesting one for the Patreon members today. It's not only a story here. We have another gentleman showing up in about an hour or so. So we're gonna do back to back IRL to blab, blap to Black Chronicles. So very exciting. You're here from Pennsylvania.

A (3:31)

Yep.

B (3:31)

And. And you're. You're. You're a Patreon member too, right?

A (3:35)

Yeah.

B (3:35)

Okay. I know you said you're not part of the chat. You probably don't recognize psychos, but probably for the best. I don't know. We don't really do this often. So how do we want to start with this story? Is this. Is this a one off?

A (3:48)

Yeah, pretty much. There's like a little bit of background, I guess.

B (3:52)

Okay.

A (3:53)

Yeah. So I'm from Pennsylvania.

C (3:55)

Right.

A (3:55)

We grew up, like out in the woods and stuff, whatever, in like a, I don't know, 200 year old house or something. So it's like a super old house. And I grew up like, you know, my mom pretty much like grandma maxed me, you know, like, yeah, very, you know, Christian, but, like, didn't believe in any sort of like weird, like ghosts or anything, any of that stuff.

D (4:14)

So.

A (4:16)

So this was when I was probably like 10 or so. So, like I was just laying in bed one night and just like normal, like about to fall asleep. And all of a sudden I felt like a tug at the end of like the covers, at the end of the bed, like at the foot of the bed, and I was like, oh, dude. Like, my first thought was like, oh, that's a mouse or something, like, because, you know, it's an old house in the woods. There's always Mice and stuff running around. So I was like, oh, girl. So I was like, I'm just gonna pull the blankets up to get. To get it, like, up off the floor so the mouse can't climb up.

B (4:47)

Yeah, can't tug on it, dude.

A (4:48)

So I pulled the blankets back, and it pulled back, and I was like.

B (4:53)

Wait, wait, wait, wait.

C (4:54)

Mouse, dude, you did like, a tug.

B (4:55)

Of war with the blanket.

A (4:56)

So it was like. Like I just kind of pulled it a little and it pulled back. And I was like, what the hell was that? So I was like, is this like a. I don't know, like a raccoon or something is in the room?

C (5:06)

Yeah.

D (5:06)

Yeah.

A (5:07)

Weird.

B (5:07)

So opposable thumbs might be able to.

D (5:09)

Dude, like.

A (5:09)

But I was like, it's like, pretty strong. Like, something. Like, pretty strong. So I, like, pull the blankets again, like, hard this time. And it pulled back, like, exactly as hard as I would p. Pull. It would, like, pull back. Like a tug of war, dude. So it was weird, like, in that bed, like I said, like, in my mind, I'm like, you know, I don't think that there's, like. I knew there was, like, demons and stuff, but I thought it was, you know, whatever. I just didn't think, like, that never even occurred to me.

B (5:34)

Yeah.

A (5:34)

So I'm like, all right, there's like a raccoon under my bed or something. I was like, I just, like, scooted to the middle of the bed and just, like, laid there. I was, like, picturing, like, stepping off the bed and just get my Achilles slashed. Yeah, I mean, I'm not doing that.

C (5:48)

We've seen that movie.

B (5:48)

Movie.

A (5:49)

We're not doing this.

B (5:49)

This is when you were. You said you were already asleep and this.

A (5:52)

No, I was. I was like, like about to fall asleep. So that's. So we'll skip ahead a little bit. I. The next morning, like, I ended up falling asleep. The next morning I told my parents, like, dude, this happened. They were like, yeah, and I was a dream. Whatever. And I was like, I don't think it was a dream.

C (6:08)

Was it in the spirit realm or.

B (6:09)

Yeah, well, defines.

A (6:10)

There's no such thing as realm, obviously.

B (6:11)

Yeah. If my 10 year old, because my son's 10 right now and I'm trying to put myself in your parents shoes. If he came and said that, I don't know how much I could entertain.

A (6:20)

Because it's obviously a dream.

B (6:22)

Even if it's not obviously a dream. Well, it seems like your parents definitely don't.

C (6:27)

His kid is like, when you were at my house, not Too long ago. He goes, top. I think I saw this creature in. In like the forest right there. And he describes it.

B (6:36)

Yeah.

C (6:37)

And I was just like, just move on.

B (6:39)

He might have seen that because, you know, he's like, at that age now where so much content aimed at kids has, like all these wonky creatures and he also knows what dad talks about.

C (6:49)

But then he drew it for me too, and I was like, get that out of my house.

B (6:54)

Kid does all that crap.

A (6:56)

All right, so anyway, so yeah, so the next morning, right, I go downstairs and, like, told my parents and they're like, oh, no, it was nothing. You're dreaming, whatever. And I was like, dude, I. This is what happened.

D (7:05)

I'm.

A (7:06)

I'm like, I was not dreaming. I was awake, like, to the point where my dad came up to the bedroom and, like, lifted up the bed and stuff. And we're like, looking, like, looking in the bed.

B (7:16)

Wow, thanks, man. Thanks for the service, dude.

C (7:19)

We asked for this 35 minutes ago. But thank you, though.

A (7:21)

Yeah, thank you.

B (7:22)

Shout out to Matt. Yeah, there you go. Don't worry, it's on us. We'll pay for it. Matt. Matt's hurting for money right now and he really needs us to pay for these yerba mates. These things are fantastic, though. There's no sugar in them and we're not sponsored by them at all. But I do drink them consistently.

C (7:35)

Well, dot com.

B (7:36)

They crush. They crush really hard. Okay, so. So your dad comes up to investigate. You think it's just to soothe you or is he like, I don't know.

A (7:43)

I, like, I think he believed me because I. I was like, you know, I wasn't really, like, I didn't tell stories and stuff when I was a kid. Like, little kids make stuff up or whatever. But I wasn't like, you know, I didn't, like, make up stuff like that. So I was. And so we go upstairs and whether he, like, lifts up the bed and stuff, and we're like looking around and I'm expecting to see like, you know, animal hair or something. Because I still. In my mind, I'm like, well, there was a record.

B (8:05)

It's definitely something that you're not of the school of thought of. Like, I think I felt something. You know, you felt 100. So you're expecting tangible evidence from a.

A (8:13)

So I was like, is there like a hole that it chewed through the wall or something? Because the door was closed. Like, everything. There's no way, you know, whatever. If it was in there, it would have still been in there. Yeah, you know, so we're like looking through everything. There's nothing in there. And I was just like, I don't know what in the world that was. So I was like, must have just been a gremlin, I guess. So obviously it had to have been a gremlin. But then.

C (8:34)

So was this around the time of the movie Gremlins?

A (8:37)

Which is why probably. Yeah, I used to love that movie when I was a kid. So I was just like, well, how.

B (8:40)

It would have been.

A (8:40)

It was under the bed. It had to be a gremlin, right?

D (8:42)

Yeah, yeah.

A (8:43)

But so, like, in my mind, I'm still not thinking about, you know, this was like a demon or something.

B (8:47)

And you didn't have pets or. Like, we did.

A (8:49)

We had a dog, but the door was closed and she wasn't.

B (8:50)

So you would. You would know if the dog was there.

A (8:52)

Yeah.

C (8:52)

Well, what is a gremlin anyway? Is it a demon?

B (8:56)

I don't. I don't know. I don't know what I would categorize. I'm of the school of thought that, like, all of the pantheon of critters exists. Are demonic. Like, well. Well, definitely. I don't know if the pantheon of critters is in alignment with the kingdom of God. I don't think there's neutral, though. I don't think he'd be neutral, so. But I do think all that kind of weird stuff exists because I remember there was a time when I was younger and I was coming across these gnome videos on YouTube and it was like. I remember one of them was like a house full of Mexicans playing hacky sack. And their hacky sack, like, flies over to the corner of the room and the dude walks over to pick it up and all of a sudden, like, there's. It's weird the way that it happened because this thing was in frame the whole time, but you didn't notice it until it moved. And it was like it was in the room with them the whole time, but it was somehow not visible until it moved. When he reached down to get the hacky sack, this thing just takes off running and that Mexican guy shrieked and he took off like several feet in the air and then ran like it was a cartoon. And so I've seen a couple of videos like that weird little forest creatures. I've heard enough, you know, gnome stories. I'm like, something is going on. Yeah, I don't know what they're about, though.

A (10:02)

I don't know. But. Okay, so. So, yeah, I don't actually think it was a gremlin. Long story short, no. So anyway, whatever that. That happened, I like, told people and stuff. They're like, oh, yeah, you're dreaming.

B (10:14)

Whatever.

A (10:15)

It was not, you know, it didn't happen. Whatever. People didn't believe me. So then, like, maybe a couple weeks later, my cousin slept over the house, Right?

B (10:22)

Okay, dude.

A (10:23)

So now this time, I would have to ask him. I can't remember. I think this time I was asleep, but he was still awake. And the same thing happened, and he, like, woke me up. And he's like, dude, what is this? And I was like, like, no way.

B (10:38)

Like, I told the same thing to him.

A (10:39)

So, like, he was like, I don't know. I'm like, pulling on the covers, and it's like something's pulling back. I was like, get out of here, dude. So I was like, all right, we'll both pull. So now we're like, I'm just like, you know, I'm 10 or 11, whatever. I'm just like, you know, we're like outside kids. We weren't like, you know, we're not. We were kids, but we were like, strong enough kids, you know?

B (10:58)

Yeah.

A (10:59)

And we're like, both of us at the same time. We're like, all right, pull. And we pulled. And it pulled back, like, exactly as hard as you pull it would. It was the weirdest thing.

B (11:07)

Dude, I got a 10 year old right now. That. That kid is sturdy.

A (11:11)

I'm telling you. Two of them, like, that's.

B (11:12)

Yeah, you're gonna pull it.

A (11:14)

There's like, that's strong.

D (11:16)

You know what I mean?

A (11:16)

It's like, weird.

C (11:18)

Yeah.

A (11:18)

Yeah, dude. It was weird.

B (11:20)

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A (11:30)

Yep, they sure are.

B (11:31)

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A (11:39)

It's all right.

B (11:40)

We're so far up here. Look at me. Take a deep breath.

C (11:43)

Oh, I'm good.

B (11:44)

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A (11:52)

Yeah. So basically, yeah, we just laid there and whatever. Went to bed, but went to bed. I mean, like, what, you're not getting off the bed?

C (11:59)

A bad.

B (12:00)

Hell, yeah.

A (12:00)

Yeah, yeah. Picturing like Freddy Krueger stuff or something. And at that point, still, I was just like, dude, like, I don't know what. There's some animal sneaking into my room. Like, it never even occurred to me that it was like a demonic thing or anything because I was. I was grandma maxed when I was a kid.

B (12:12)

Yeah, but I'm saying, like, you know, if.

A (12:13)

If my kid did it now movies or anything.

B (12:16)

Like, if my kid did it now, I'd be like, dude, you're watching so much crap, like, all the time is all. Every cartoon has a greasy demon in it now. And it's like, I wouldn't really think. But yeah, if you're somebody who. That. That's not.

A (12:26)

But then, like, because it was me. Me and my cousin both. So now it's like we definitely weren't dreaming, you know? So, like, we told my parents and stuff. And like, my mom always was kind of, like, weird about it. Like, I. I secretly, I think that she has had weird experiences in that house. Maybe because she's always like, no, no, no, like, don't talk about it. I don't want to talk about it.

D (12:41)

Whatever.

A (12:42)

Yeah, it's like, like she's definitely.

B (12:45)

Yeah.

A (12:46)

Seen something or whatever. But so then. Yeah, you know, it's after that, like, telling the story. It's like, well, this wasn't like either we're both making it up. Which again, you know, my cousin's even more of like a not storyteller than me.

B (13:00)

He's like the same age as you.

A (13:01)

He's like the dude. He's like a year younger than me, but he's like the dude that we go to for, like, like moral quandaries. We're like, hey, man, you're the best person we know. You don't lie or anything.

C (13:09)

So.

B (13:10)

Right.

A (13:12)

So like, maybe I was lying, but he definitely wasn't lying, you know, I mean, so. So yeah, that. That was it. And that was like. I think that was like the only weird thing that ever happened, like, to me, really, ever in that house. I had. I had a sleep process thing years later at my. At a different house, but in that same bedroom before. My sister's older than me. I guess she's like eight years older than me. So when she went to college or so whatever, I moved into that room. And I guess years earlier, she had seen like, a dude standing in the doorway that, like, wasn't supposed to be there type of thing. My dad wasn't home. And like, she like, panicked and stuff and started screaming to the point where I guess like my mom called the neighbor and he came over or something. And like, she Thought it was an intruder. She was like, yeah, I thought there was a dude in the door, and it was just like, nothing. Like, apparently there was nobody there, you know, But I don't know, man. Maybe that room's just.

C (14:01)

I was. I was actually born in a house like that as well.

B (14:03)

Yeah, that sounds similar to the story that you told.

C (14:05)

Yeah. You spoke with my cousin that they. They don't live there any longer. But, yeah, thank. Thank God I got out, like, at a three or four. But that was one of the things that I would see because I would go to sleep over my cousin's house often, and we'd, like, sleep in the living room if there was a bunch of us. And for some reason, one of my other cousins, she was like the older one that would watch us, and she wasn't necessarily related to it. She was kind of like a stepchild of. It was a weird relationship. It was a weird relationship how she was in the family because, like, she was, like, discarded to the side as cousin. But she's kind of like, not by.

B (14:40)

Blood type of deal.

C (14:41)

Well, she's the father's daughter, but through some kind of weird means, if that makes any sense. So she's kind of. Yeah, like Snow White, sort of. Sort of deal with it. And this entity would follow her around. She would say that this thing would follow around. But I saw it myself on a doorway. It's like, above. Lurking above a doorway, and its eyes were red, and it's like, it was, like, claiming dominion over her. And I just, like. It was one of the things where, like, you just pull the blanks over your head and you're like, well, I saw something.

A (15:07)

That's just what you do. Just like. I don't.

C (15:09)

Yeah.

B (15:09)

Somebody in the chat said the. The. Your bed is like, your safe place. It is weird because there's, like, this instinctive pulling the blankets over your eyes and knowing, like, I'm safe. Until I let this down.

A (15:20)

Yeah, I didn't even do that, though, dude. It was pulling back off.

B (15:24)

That's horrifying, dude.

A (15:25)

Like I said, like, I. I never. It never occurred to me that it was like something demonic until it was like, probably 15 years later or something. I was watching, like, one of the, like, paranormal activity movies or something like that. And, like, because I never, like, really watched scary movies growing up, I was kind of. Kind of a. I was, like, scared of him or whatever.

B (15:42)

Yeah, they'll ruin your dude as a kid. They'll ruin. That's why I don't let my kid watch anything Anytime something scary's on the tv, I'm like, you get the hell out of here. Because I love my sleep. And the last thing I need is my kid freaking out and unable to.

A (15:54)

Yeah, yeah. So, like, it never occurred to me until, like, when I was an adult watching one of those movies. It's like the first, like, scene of the movie is the kid gets the bed.

B (16:02)

Yep. Yeah, yeah.

C (16:04)

Or whatever.

A (16:04)

And I was like, oh, dude, that's like. That is what? Like, the. My covers, like, didn't get pulled off, but it was the same type of thing. Like, you're pulling.

B (16:11)

You said grandma was. Grandma's Christian, right?

A (16:15)

My mom. Yeah. No, I said my mom was grandma. Maximum, like, very Christian. And like, yeah, straight Bible. Bible stuff.

B (16:22)

Yesterday we had a guy, he's going to be in here later on, and he was sharing some stories, and we had our social media manager there, and she's like. She hears one of the stories and she's like, this is bizarre. Like, this is insane. Like, like, not really. Why does it. But she's like, this sort of thing, like, it just happens. Like, you know, you just have this experience. And I said.

C (16:44)

He goes, no. He goes. He goes like this. No, watch this. And then he asks.

B (16:48)

Well, first I laid it out. I go. Because I explained to her, I was like, these things usually aren't a one off. You'll have one or two big moments, but then there are strange little idiosyncrasies throughout, you know, childhood especially. And then you'll find out, if you ask, like, a grandparent or something, you know, they were involved in something weird or they had weird experiences, and it's like this generational thing. So I'm trying to explain to her in simple terms, like generational iniquity. And then I go, watch this. And then I ask him, because he was distracted during that. He's talking to his kids, and he didn't hear me say that. And then I go, is your life, like, dotted with these little things, especially throughout childhood? And he's like, yeah, dude. And I go, your grandparents or maybe your parents, were they involved in anything strange? And he goes, yeah. And I look to her and I go, see? And it's just like these. These patterns. Typically, it doesn't happen in a vacuum. Right, right. There are those who, like, will go their whole life and not have any kind of experience like that. And then the people who do have those experiences, it's. It's very rarely a one off.

A (17:43)

Yeah.

B (17:44)

And it's literally like, you remember the more significant ones but then once you start, like, scratching it, you're like, there are lesser. Lesser events that did take place that are, like, not as big, not as impactful, but still strange nonetheless. And so it, you know, there's just the patterns that you discover through these. It's.

C (18:00)

It's weird because with kids, I feel. I feel like these. These entities, they. That was like an invitation when it's pulling your. Your blanket off, maybe. And yeah, it was the same thing for me, but there's something about, like.

A (18:13)

Like if I talk to it or something, it would have.

B (18:14)

Oh, man. Imagine if you said, who's there?

A (18:16)

I just was like, no.

B (18:18)

If you.

C (18:18)

Sir, if you saw it, if you observed it, like, that's the top lopster's dog, man idea.

A (18:22)

Like. Yeah, yeah.

C (18:22)

I'm actively observing this thing now. I'm, like, kind of consenting to it. Interacting with.

A (18:26)

Yeah. There's weird rules that, like, we don't know.

C (18:29)

So that's a little sneaky one. Like, to pull that blanket off and to see, like, will they come down and interact further? Because your life could have been much different.

A (18:35)

I wonder. Yeah. Really.

D (18:37)

When.

C (18:37)

And check this thing out.

B (18:38)

There's nothing with. You said that your mom. Because I was thinking to your mom's lens, like, you know, very much the same thing. If my son comes and tells me this thing, I'm going to. Unless it's really obvious and I have to counsel him on how to, like, deal with this thing, I'm gonna almost kind of. Never mind. Yeah. Because I don't want to feed into it.

D (18:54)

Right.

B (18:55)

And if it is.

A (18:55)

Which makes sense.

B (18:56)

Yeah. And if it is like, a thing that he's just making up, I don't want to encourage it because then that thing that he's making up could become something. You know what I mean? It's like that. That act of, like, looking into a thing, you know, emboldens it or increases the. The likelihood that it'll happen again. I. I do wonder. I mean, you never talked to your mom. She's got no strange stories.

A (19:16)

I have a couple of times. Like, she gets pissed, like, if I. Oh, yeah. Story. So, like, that's why, like, I don't know if.

C (19:21)

Because she a fan of the show.

B (19:22)

Yeah. Conversation.

A (19:25)

But, like, I can't remember what I was gonna say. But, like, yeah, she. She definitely doesn't. She's not, like, excited about. So I don't know if she's had experiences or not. You know what I mean? But like, when I was a kid, she always would tell me, like, oh, this stuff is, you know, made up. It's not real or whatever.

B (19:42)

Yeah.

A (19:43)

Ghost stuff and everything, which is, like, an oversimplification that. That you would say to your kids to protect. You know what I mean?

B (19:49)

Yeah. Right.

A (19:50)

Like. Like you're saying. So, like, I don't. I don't know. And I've asked her, like, since, and she kind of is just like, oh, no, that's nothing.

B (19:57)

That's interesting. What about your cousin? Who have you ever talked to him again about.

A (20:01)

Yeah, yeah, we've.

C (20:02)

We've.

A (20:02)

Because, like, we'll just, like, tell this story occasionally around a campfire or something, and he's like, you know, one of my closest friends. Like, you know, all my cousins are. Whatever. We're all, like, super tight, so we'll like, every so often bring the story back around.

B (20:13)

What is he, dude, tell the gremlin story.

A (20:15)

I'm like, oh, well, it was one night.

C (20:17)

Yeah.

B (20:18)

And he's not had.

A (20:19)

No, he has the exact same, like, retelling, and he. I guess I had thought that I told him after the first time it happened, but I guess I didn't because when he. When he. He, like, retold the story a year or two ago, and he was like, no, I didn't know anything about that until it started happening. And then he, like, woke me up, and I was like, dude, this is like the same thing that happened the other day. It's like.

B (20:39)

That's interesting.

A (20:40)

It's a gremlin.

B (20:41)

I mean, it's. Oh. And so. So when a thing happens in a vacuum, it just happens to you.

C (20:45)

Right.

A (20:45)

Right.

B (20:45)

There is this weird way you'll. You'll dismiss it and you'll cope. Yeah. Psychologically, you'll dismiss it. You'll put it over there. Because there's nothing when somebody else is there to correlate it. I mean. Yeah, it gives it a lot more meat. Makes a lot. I don't want to say scarier, but it's like.

A (21:00)

It's like, more real. For sure.

B (21:02)

Profound is kind of the word. Right. Because you're like, something happened that broke the norm.

A (21:07)

Yeah.

B (21:08)

It deviated from the norm in a really huge way. You still don't have anything to do with it.

D (21:11)

Right.

B (21:12)

You still have to put it over there and just kind of keep moving on, you know? And that was the other thing that I was saying, I think, to. To. To Tiffany, our social media manager, that, like, not. Not Nancy, specifically not Nancy, that these things will happen to people and there's literally nothing to do about it. Yeah, right. So you just kind of shelf it. And what is interesting is while we were talking to Dylan yesterday, and he'll be on a little bit, I was saying that I think those moments are more important than. At least we're willing to intellectualize. It's important to us because they stick with us.

D (21:49)

Yeah.

B (21:50)

It's like, if it wasn't important, it wouldn't be this story that comes up every time around the campfire. Like, it just sticks with you. And when you look throughout the Bible, you know, it's like. Like, the life of Daniel is a great example where who knows what happened to Daniel.

D (22:03)

Yeah.

B (22:04)

He's got a whole life that isn't described in the Bible, but what is described are his supernatural encounters.

A (22:10)

Yeah.

B (22:11)

So the things that happen to us that we shelf and we think are insignificant, but they still stick with us. They're like, psychologically burned into our psyche. Are the things that the Bible is like, no, that's the most important part. These things are the most important. I'm not saying, like. I'm not saying, you know, that a gremlin pulling on your blanket is the most important footnote in your life, but I'm just saying the nature of these things that we struggle with and we put them to the side, we try to forget about them. They're kind of disturbing. Other people maybe don't even. Like, your mother doesn't even like hearing about it. The Bible's like, no, dude, those points are some of the most important. The points where human beings like to touch the veil in. In the Bible are the ones that invited to.

C (22:55)

I feel like that was a big invitation. Like, maybe.

B (22:58)

So.

C (22:58)

Yeah, a lot of my family made that mistake in that. That same house that I was telling you about. My. No, my mom didn't do it, but my aunt did.

B (23:07)

Yeah.

C (23:08)

The mother of Nikki.

B (23:10)

This is the one that went to try to deal with it. Well, witch doctors and such.

C (23:15)

No, no, that's different.

B (23:16)

That's.

C (23:16)

That was a big mistake as well. But there would be an old guy in the kitchen watching them cook. And my mom, my uncle, and my aunt. Three different generations of family or three different, you know, families lived in this same apartment. It was kind of like they were just renting it to our family. Everybody saw the same guy. Only one aunt acknowledged it and named it. Yeah, she named it Reuben, and she's crazy, and she's talking to him. Oh, Reuben, you over there watching me cook.

B (23:44)

You doing Reuben.

C (23:45)

And like. Like, her family's cursed. I'm like, you're interacting with that Thing, dude. Yeah.

A (23:49)

I wonder if I had. If I had like, engaged with, like, what? At the time, literally, I thought it was just like an animal in my room. But now in hindsight, like, who knows? Yeah. Maybe it was some sort of weird invitation type of thing or something.

B (24:01)

Well, when you look at these people on YouTube, you know, name. You know, a lot of people were like the ghost hunting channels. I don't think it's an accident that a lot of those people, like, physiognomy betrays them. They look, look all up. Like they don't look like healthy people. They look like, you know, meth addicts and stuff. Like they're not all right. And I think there's something where it's like, yeah, if you keep interacting with the spiritual realm, especially in a way that's not grounded in Christ. Right. It was like, if it's grounded in Christ, it's rebuking these things right. In the name of Christ. It's casting them out. You're going and you're pursuing these things and. And it's really funny if you watch it too, by the way. Ghost hunters will go out. They're not armed with the knowledge that Jesus Christ has given them authority over these things, Right. So they go out, they got their little spirit box, they're looking for these things. Then all of a sudden something happens. They get touched, they get scratched. There's a big thud.

C (24:54)

They freak out, they run.

B (24:55)

They freak out and they run and they go, high five. Good job, guys. We really did it today. And then they get ready to do it again next week. And it's like that, I think, is the worst thing that you could do because all you're doing is continually pressing up against that, that, that veil. And you're getting, you know, ectoplasm on you. You're getting crap on you. That's you're bringing back into your regular life. These things are attached to you because that interaction is various levels of interaction are just various levels of consent.

C (25:24)

Yeah.

B (25:25)

You're giving consent to this day. It is all consent. It's all legal.

A (25:29)

Yeah. Even like consenting to allow Jesus into your life. It's all. Everything in the spiritual realm, good or bad, is consent based.

B (25:36)

Yeah.

A (25:37)

You know, Jesus wants it. You have to agree to let him in, to let the Holy Spirit in. And you know, he's not going to do it if you don't let him, you know?

B (25:44)

Yeah.

A (25:44)

I think if you think with, with like a demon.

B (25:47)

Yeah.

A (25:48)

Or whatever.

B (25:48)

You know, I think if you looked at these people's lives. You would probably find that like outside of their successful ghost hunting YouTube channel, their relationships are falling apart. Yeah. They probably have all kinds of like, like things that they're not correlating to. Like the equivalent of curses.

A (26:05)

Yeah.

B (26:05)

Befalling their lives at all times, you know. So. Yeah, I mean, who knows what would have happened if you would have done some goofy, like, stood up and said, who's there? Who's doing that? Is anybody in here?

A (26:15)

Oh, dude, forgot my Achilles.

B (26:17)

Yeah. And then you start listening around, is anybody there? If anybody's there yet. Not twice. That's interesting though.

A (26:25)

Yeah.

B (26:25)

So are these things, you know, this is a one off in your childhood. This isn't something that.

A (26:30)

So like this. So that. That was two different like, occasions probably within two weeks to a month or something. So it was like a pretty short time frame. So. Yeah, I don't know if I was like spiritually available at that point or something like that. I don't know. But because like, I, you know, I don't remember being saved as a kid. I grew up Christian. I always believed, like, it never occurred to me that like Jesus wasn't, you know, the truth.

B (26:53)

Right.

A (26:54)

So I don't think that, you know, I was like, not saved and that was like, like, like Satan's last shot at me or something like that. But I don't know. Who knows, man? Maybe there's just some weird entity trying to, like you said, trying to find its way in somehow.

C (27:09)

Yeah. There's a door. Let's shake the knob.

A (27:11)

Yeah.

C (27:11)

See what happens.

B (27:12)

I mean, it's an old house. He said like 200 years old. In Pennsylvania. Yeah, it's a creepy place. New Jersey, Pennsylvania, New York. Very old as far as like, you know, the settlements and such go. So a lot of history there. All the, the Native American tribes in the area.

A (27:28)

Was like, there was, it was like pretty. I don't know, however long ago, like it was a dangerous like road for the, for the settlers to travel on because they'd be getting robbed by like the natives and stuff like that. So I don't know. Who knows. The one day a dude did show up to the house, just some guy like knocked on the door and we were like, hey, what's up? And he's like, my like great grandparents or something lived here. He's like, did you guys ever find like a headstone in the woods? Not yet. He was like, well, do you mind if I like, go look? We're like, okay, I guess, if you want.

C (27:57)

Yeah, dude.

A (27:58)

He was just walking around the woods, like, looking for.

C (28:00)

He reminded me in my old house. It was built in 1920 or something like that.

B (28:06)

Yeah.

C (28:06)

And it was actually a speakeasy, the basement. So they had, like, a big bar before we moved in there, and they would go during prohibition and they'd serve alcohol. But in the attic. There's, like, a secret room in the attic. And, like, I opened it up when we first moved in. Yeah.

B (28:21)

Yeah.

C (28:22)

I was gonna use it for storage and. And I. Like, I did use it for storage, but, like, I looked in one of the corners, and there was this picture frame, like, an oval picture frame. And I picked it up, and it was like. Like three people who look like farmers, and they're standing next to each other, but the faces were scratched out.

B (28:36)

What? Yeah.

C (28:37)

No, I swear to God.

B (28:37)

What kind of menacing, yo, spooky movie crap is that?

C (28:41)

I put that back so quick.

B (28:43)

Burnt the house exactly how it was.

C (28:45)

Clothes, like, put my stuff on the.

A (28:47)

Other side, like, apologize to it.

C (28:49)

Yeah, yeah. And I left it. And we're good. But I was like, that's not. That's nothing for me to.

B (28:53)

No, thanks.

C (28:54)

No, thank you.

B (28:55)

I gotta tell you, though, I'm. I'm white enough that I would have opened up the thing. I would have opened up the. Who are you, 100. Who is anybody there?

C (29:04)

Well, the picture frame. But I remember when I picked it up, it did break a little bit, so I. I could have, like, taken. And I didn't even look on the other side. I was just like, put that right back.

B (29:11)

That's smart.

A (29:12)

That's smart.

B (29:13)

I mean, because I would have.

D (29:13)

Want.

B (29:14)

Wanted to see if there was writing on it, so I would be taking the picture out of the picture frame. That's just not in my nature, dude.

C (29:19)

I watch too much Scooby Doo to know that, man.

B (29:22)

Man.

C (29:24)

Business.

B (29:25)

Yeah.

D (29:25)

Dude.

B (29:26)

In New Jersey, the house that I lived at was on Railway Avenue in Elizabeth. So Elizabeth is, you know, one of the oldest cities in New Jersey. And then Railway Avenue is the main avenue that goes through there. Our house was super old. It was the same thing, man. It was like, just weird crap like that. Like, I was talking to my cousin recently, and we haven't really talked for a long time because he was schizophrenic. He's diagnosed as a child. Gets whisked off to a detention facility at, like, 12, and then doesn't see the light of day again until, like, 25. And. But I grew up with him in that house, and I was talking to him, and he's like, yeah. Remember that hallway with the black carpet? He said, I was looking up the stairs one day there, and there's just this black shadow man just standing there staring down at me. And it's like. Like, you know, these old houses, I. There's probably something to energy and the way that it gets trapped.

A (30:16)

Yeah.

B (30:17)

You know what I mean?

A (30:17)

Like, yeah.

B (30:18)

I think you can have a physical object. You know, you look into all these, like, pagan mythologies or, you know, ancient peoples, and there are, like, totems, objects that become spiritually charged. I think if. If, you know, if you wanted to speculate as to, like, what a haunted house is, I think trauma has a way of. Of bleeding into physical objects. Walls and floors and all kinds of crap and. And I don't know what you're seeing there. I think it, you know, could be an entity masquerading as. You get like, that crap right where it's like, it's the ghost of a little boy.

A (30:54)

Yeah.

B (30:54)

He's trapped here. I'm like, that's not a little boy, dumbass. Like, that's your spirit. Yeah, that's something masquerading as. But, yeah, I think, like, if it's sufficiently charged, a thing can manifest there. It's like, feeding off of that energy.

C (31:08)

I'm getting real crazy right now.

B (31:09)

Please. Yeah.

C (31:11)

The same way with the water. We were talking, like, if you. If you speak negative affirmations onto water.

A (31:15)

Yeah.

C (31:15)

Freeze it. The particles are all, like, just. And they're in disarray and chaotic. I think it's the same thing with houses. But follow me here, because it gets even crazier. All the materials, like this gypsum board, all this dead that we have around us, I feel like that will. That would more readily absorb, like, negative stuff. If I'm just, like, yelling at my. If I'm telling my kids, like, you're garbage.

B (31:36)

Interesting.

C (31:37)

Like, all day long in this. Like, so, like. Yeah. All of our surroundings, all of our walls and ceilings are usually this weird press board.

D (31:46)

Crap.

C (31:46)

Press board.

B (31:47)

And that the fibers of it are all chaotic and all intertwining and there's.

C (31:51)

No problem holds that. And then now even crazier, let's get like, hgtv. Like, okay. All the open. Open floor planning.

B (31:57)

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

C (31:58)

Now all that, like, if you curse the room, but, like, you've cursed your.

B (32:02)

Entire first level because there's no.

C (32:04)

I removed the walls. I don't know, dude. That's where.

B (32:07)

That's what I'm thinking.

D (32:08)

What about.

A (32:08)

Have you guys ever heard the whole Thing about, like, lead paint, how they ban lead paint because, like, supposedly kids were eating it.

B (32:13)

I was eating quite a bit of pain.

A (32:15)

Yeah, whatever. Supposedly people. But like, the. I've heard, like, the theory that they did that because lead blocks emf.

B (32:21)

Oh, yeah.

A (32:22)

So, like, if you still had lead paint on your walls, that would block emf. So does that also. I mean, EMF is just like a vibration.

B (32:28)

Yeah. It's a frequency. Right.

A (32:29)

Like what you were saying. Who. I don't know.

B (32:31)

That's a good point. I mean, you think about, like, lead.

A (32:33)

Paint protecting us from some sort of, who knows, man, you know, X ray, whatever.

B (32:38)

That's interesting. Or like, well, get rid of. They can't voice the skull technology. You. If your walls have lead paint on.

C (32:43)

It, or get rid of lead paint and then you switch out the LED lights.

D (32:47)

Yeah.

B (32:47)

Like, you know how upset. It's like we're trying to Heart attack gun this son of a. But he's got lead paint. This is not. This is a really great gun. But we have to change the, the, you know, the OSHA requirements if we're going to be able to heart attack on people. I think you're really onto something there because if you look at. Under a microscope, like, let's say, you know, old oak or something like that, like, it's going to be this fascinating. What would you call it? Like, lattice. Right. Like, that's what it looks like under a microscope. But if you pulverize that and you mix it with a resin and you press it into press board. Now, there's no rhyme or reason. There's no beautiful lattice. It's just. Just chaos. And. Yeah, I, I like that analogy of, like, you speak negative affirmations to water and you freeze it. The crystalline structure is chaotic. If you speak positive affirmations to water and freeze it, the crystalline structure is. There's symmetry. It's beautiful. It's all those, like, really classic, almost like snowflake images. Right. Pointed stars and such.

C (33:44)

Well, the problem is that it's not vibrating at all. Like, there is no, like, earthly or alive vibration about this gypsum board.

A (33:51)

Particle board.

C (33:52)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's. It's dead. It's like wearing polyester versus wearing wool.

D (33:57)

Right.

C (33:57)

Wool is vibrating on your skin.

B (33:59)

You know, there was actually studies on that where it shows that, like, polyester blends, they have the same frequency of, like, a dead body.

D (34:06)

Yeah.

B (34:06)

Now, I've not confirmed that, but I will repeat that.

C (34:08)

Yeah, no, that is true. It's because it's not. It's not really vibrating at all. It's like, it's.

B (34:13)

It's just going around wearing a dead body dog.

A (34:15)

I mean, Satan's good at what he does, man.

B (34:17)

Yeah. He's like, what's that? The cost of lumber is too high. Well, I've got something for you.

C (34:22)

Yeah.

B (34:22)

It's called particle board and it's resonates at the same frequency as a dead body.

C (34:26)

And I use MDF a lot. Like some of that stuff is mdf. Yeah, it's good to. It's good to use, but it's like. Yeah, it's dead.

B (34:33)

Is that what it is?

C (34:34)

It's a dead material. That's why it's easy to cut through.

B (34:36)

I mean, I mean, if. If really everything on a subatomic level.

C (34:40)

That'S actually MDF right behind you.

B (34:42)

The straight Bible and Greek. If everything at the subatomic level is mostly empty space and you imagine it's energy that's traveling in between that empty space. Right, Right.

C (34:51)

Yeah.

B (34:51)

Photons or whatever. I don't know what the. Everything has an electrical synapses that. That's how atoms communicate to one another. So if. If that electrical current that is the communication has to move through those empty spaces, it probably moves really well through something that is a beautiful lattice that has a flow to it. You know, it probably doesn't move really well through that is just mashed up and pressed together with resin.

A (35:15)

Together.

B (35:15)

Yeah. So I don't. Yeah. Who the hell knows what that does that lower the frequency, it lowers the vibration and it doesn't allow it to, you know, be a high frequency item or whatever. And therefore only low frequency entities can move through it. I don't know. I mean, we're just doing Nephilim death squad science, which is my favorite kind of.

C (35:33)

You heard it here first, folks.

B (35:35)

Yeah, man. That's interesting though. I. You know, and I wonder too, just on that note, on old houses, right? They're typically like really haunted. And it's because what they're made with old crap that has a lot of energy flow through it.

A (35:50)

So maybe, maybe just the amount of people that have lived there, there's like Atmos says.

B (35:56)

I love that Raven is not wrong, but a physics teacher would have an aneurysm hearing.

A (36:02)

I don't know, just like the amount of people that. If the house is 200 years old, who knows how many people have lived there?

B (36:06)

How many people have beat their kids in there?

A (36:08)

Who knows, man?

B (36:08)

Yeah.

A (36:09)

150 years ago. Yeah. Doing witchcraft or whatever.

B (36:13)

I mean, that's my adds up over.

A (36:14)

The years or so something.

B (36:15)

You know, I've lived in project buildings and, you know, they were haunted and. And then I would hear. So you'd have weird shadow people all the time. But then I'd go out of my apartment into the hallway to go to the elevator or the stairwell. And you would hear each. Each door, just people screaming at each other behind each door. And it's because they're all impoverished, they're all redlining it. They're all crack addicted, whatever, so they're beating each other's asses and, you know, they're doing all these drugs, inviting all these spirits in. And. And so, you know, it's. To me, whatever is happening in the area, these things feed off of it.

A (36:51)

Yours didn't feed off negativity, but, like. Yeah, I. I was gonna say that too. So my. In case my mom listens.

B (36:57)

Yeah. Yours didn't sound like. That's why all it was able to do is just pull your blanket.

C (37:02)

Yeah, Right.

A (37:03)

Yeah, maybe.

D (37:04)

Yeah.

A (37:04)

I don't know.

B (37:05)

If your mom had beat you, maybe it would have been able to get a little bit further.

A (37:08)

Yeah. But then it's. It's like you were saying before about, like, these. These events that, like, seem that could be nothing, whatever, but, like, it wind a big deal. Like, if that had never happened to me, like, I wouldn't have been probably interested in. You know, I started listening to, like, Tony Merkel, and through him I found, like, whoever. And then I found you guys and stuff like that. And, like, I wouldn't be here right now.

B (37:27)

Yeah.

A (37:28)

Which, like. Not that this is like some huge impactful thing or whatever, probably my testimony is going to lead many, many people to the Lord, obviously.

B (37:34)

Well, I mean, I was. You know what I mean?

A (37:36)

It's just like one little weird thing.

D (37:38)

Like.

C (37:39)

Yeah.

A (37:39)

I wouldn't be sitting here right now with you guys if that hadn't happened.

C (37:41)

Probably a brush with the supernatural.

B (37:43)

Yeah.

A (37:44)

Yeah. It's just like the way stuff like ripples bulls.

B (37:46)

Yeah, I guess, you know, that's what we're saying.

C (37:49)

But like, the new. I think the conspiracy with the new housing, like the. The gypsum board, the open plan. Like, my house is like tile on the floor. So it's like, oh, this is like bouncy. It's like reflective surfaces. I don't think that, like, spiritual stuff could really implant itself in here. It's probably just like, bouncing through. So, like, we're so spiritually detached. Like, that's what most. When you go into a new McDonald's yeah. Do you feel the Holy Spirit in there?

B (38:14)

I don't go in there because they're making human meat burgers.

C (38:16)

Yeah, but it's like a square. It's like a glass square. It looks like you could be in any corporate building. You go into an old McDonald's with like the playgrounds.

B (38:24)

You can feel this, this the nephilim spirit of Ronald McDonald's.

C (38:27)

Yeah. The fry cook is talking in tongues.

B (38:29)

I mean, spinning around. Yeah.

A (38:32)

Trapped in the ball.

B (38:32)

Yeah.

C (38:33)

There is something about that old structure that it, I guess, you know, you could have a brush with the supernatural and it could be sort of negative, maybe that was nefarious under your bed. But it, that little touch kind of like gets you, gets you going. Oh yeah.

A (38:46)

Just thinking in a different, a different way about stuff.

C (38:48)

The correct way. Yeah, yeah.

B (38:50)

It never leaves. Right. It's just one of these things where.

C (38:54)

Otherwise you're full albarino.

B (38:56)

Never go full Albarino. There are, there are events that happen in your life where like you could see the, the lead up to, oh, this thing happened to me and that's why I, I grew up like this and, and that's why I'm this kind of an adult. And you can kind of like create like a thread through things, but the supernatural events, unless you're willing to incorporate them into your worldview, they kind of sit isolated. I think that's the mistake. That's the mistake is like you should look at these things and assess how they changed your perception of reality and how they made the person that you've become just like you would look at anything like trauma that happens in childhood or a good thing that happens or a skill that you learned and how it carried you from here to there. But we don't, we like detach it, we push it away. And it lives on an island of experience all by itself. And I know you said like, oh, your testimony, you said it kind of sarcastically. It's going to lead many people to Christ. But like, I think that so many people have these experiences and they're off on an island by themselves and they don't consider it. And it doesn't, you know, go into the formula of how the, the man or the woman that you are today was created. But it is, it is part of that formula. And as long as you're pushing it off, I think it's crazy that it's.

C (40:08)

That big of a formula because it's like a, it's like a ten minute story realistically. Right.

B (40:12)

But yeah, but it changes.

A (40:13)

Here we are 25 years later talking about.

B (40:16)

Right, yeah, I, I mean, I'll have that. You know, I have people that were.

C (40:20)

My blanket off, did it again.

A (40:21)

That was it.

C (40:22)

And like, that's enough for me.

B (40:23)

Yeah.

A (40:23)

But it was just so wild that, like.

C (40:25)

Yeah.

A (40:25)

Just such a weird thing. It's like you're saying, like, if you don't have the, like, like a basis in, in the truth, it's just some weird thing that happened that, like, can't be explained. Like an unexplainable thing.

B (40:37)

I don't think it's meant to be.

A (40:38)

Like, that this is explainable. This is what's going on.

B (40:41)

And like I said, it might be.

A (40:42)

A huge spiritual realm, regardless of what people might think.

B (40:44)

Yeah.

C (40:46)

That's the testimony.

B (40:47)

Right.

C (40:47)

It's like, that's something that most people and I, I can guarantee everyone, anyone who listens to this show will have something like that. Because that's like, fairly light.

D (40:56)

Yeah.

C (40:56)

And you just take it and you're like, I don't know. And you put it over there.

D (40:59)

Right.

B (40:59)

I like that.

C (41:00)

But it's like, that's a thing that you should actually be taking and, and then really using that to almost form your life. Because, because if you do get down to the truth, if you watch this show and then like, we'll kind of like, really push you into the truth, well, you're going to end up at Jesus Christ. So that's, that's important.

B (41:16)

Yeah, that's it. I, I still have, like, if you're.

A (41:18)

Seeking the truth, Jesus is seeking you. So if you're seeking the truth, you're gonna find it.

B (41:21)

Yeah, he is the truth.

C (41:22)

Right.

B (41:22)

He's the truth. The way in the life. I, I, I have a guy that has been a part of, you know, one of my big experiences. I haven't done it in, I don't know, I guess, I guess it's probably been close to 10 years.

C (41:35)

Crack cocaine.

B (41:35)

Crack cocaine. No, that was recently. No, but I haven't hit him up and been like, yo, do you remember? And I was doing that, I would do that like every five years, which at the time the event took place when I was like 12. So every five years seems like a long time when you're 12 and then 17 and then, you know, 20, whatever. But I haven't reached out to him again in probably almost a decade. But I know that every time I did did, he was like, it was weird to watch the evolution of it first. He was like, yeah, I remember. I don't know what I saw. It was really Weird, you know, I. I don't know what to make of that thing. And then as time went on and I would reach out to him again, he'd be like, I don't want to talk about it. Yeah, like, wait, what? You don't want to talk about it? Because it was bizarre.

C (42:20)

It.

B (42:20)

It's for, For. You know, the audience has heard this one before, but it was when we saw this.

C (42:25)

The black baby.

B (42:26)

The black baby. Yeah, he was there and I don't remember this one. Okay, I'll make it really quick. Is. Yeah. Panhandling. Black baby. No, no. I was out in the woods one day with my buddy.

C (42:37)

Let me get a cigarette.

B (42:38)

And baby. No Black baby. I was out in the woods with my buddy. We were like. I was like 12, he was maybe 10. And we were in the tall grass, like river reeds. It was like a creek. And really when the creek wasn't full of water, it was just like mushy marshland. And we're stomping paths through this tall grass and. And all of a sudden, you know, it's. It's over our heads, the height of this tall grass, and something starts coming at us, but it's in the tall grass and. And this path that we've created is very narrow because we're only kids stomping down the reeds. And it starts coming towards us. We all we have time to do is like recoil and grab each other. And before I know it, this thing is now out in front of me on the path. And it's not obscured by anything. I could see it. And it is, in my infinite Wisdom As a 12 year old, it was a black toddler. A naked black toddler. Whoa. I mean, if I'm guessing it was like the size of like a four.

C (43:43)

Or five year old, hung like a horse.

D (43:45)

Huge.

B (43:48)

Huge crack pipe. Ebt. It's not carrying anything. And it almost doesn't even care about us. It like never minds us. It runs out in front of the path and then disappears into the tall grass, you know, on the other side. And we. I remember being so afraid. I thought it was gonna be a dog because it was something sizable moving towards us in the woods. Yeah, I'm like, we're about to get mauled, you know, and. But it's. It all happens in a matter of seconds. It doesn't care that we're there. It continues to run. And then we're just left with the sound of it slapping its feet against the ground. A giant cock grab drag it through the grass and it Runs off into this and. And we recoup and we run. We take, take. You know, we. We haul ass out of there screaming. We burst out into the open. Our buddies are there. We run right past him. We're screaming. We run down the street, out of. Out of the woods, into a trailer park, through the trailer park, out into a park. And before we finally, like, land in the grass, catch our breath. And then from then on out, we're pretty much telling a story every once in a while. The time that we saw a naked black baby in the woods. And it wasn't until I was like, like, 16. This probably wouldn't. The first time that I reached out to him and I was like, I knew enough about babies by 16 that I was like, that baby was fast.

A (45:13)

Yeah.

B (45:13)

And it was naked and it was running through the tall grass. You couldn't do that at. You know, because that's when I started to put together. I was like, I'm 16 years old. If I had to get naked. And you were like, run through that tall grass. I wouldn't be very fast. No, I'd be like, oh, oh, yeah, it's marsh. It's. There's. There's the river. Reeds, when they're broken off at their base, they're just like spurs sticking out of the ground. It didn't make any sense to me, and I could still. I can't see it anymore in my head, but, like, I knew that I could see certain things about it. Like, it was black. Like, real black.

A (45:44)

Yeah.

B (45:44)

And it was naked. And then there was some things that I wasn't too sure about. Like, was it, like, dry? Like, it was ashy? It was like. Like no cocoa butter was involved in this area.

C (45:58)

Supernatural theory now.

B (46:00)

But I don't know if I saw that. I just know I. I know I saw something that was like four or five years old in height, and it was naked and it was real black. Like, abnormal black.

C (46:09)

Well, Dylan coming in, he has the same sort of story. He actually might be here.

B (46:12)

Yeah. Well, so, yeah, I mean, we should. But I. You know, just on that note, it's like, I. I will continually go back to that well and explore it. And I'll go, what was this thing? And why did it never leave my memory? But if I go to him, he's like, no, I don't want to talk about it.

C (46:29)

Yeah.

B (46:29)

And every time I touch base, he got further and further from the story. And to the extent where, like, now it's just like, yeah, I remember. But no, we're not going to talk about that. I haven't reached out to him in a long time, but for me, it's like I'll be forever fascinated by it. And who knows, maybe if. If God ever saw fit to inspire somebody to write about these things and it was ever my story, it would be like the time David saw a black baby. And you know what I mean? Like this thing that I don't think is. Is or some people he didn't think was super important. It just sticks with me, man. And it, like, changes your worldview pretty much forever.

A (47:06)

Stuff that, like, doesn't fit in what is like, should be normal.

B (47:09)

I don't think we're supposed to forget it.

A (47:11)

Yeah.

B (47:11)

I don't think we're supposed to forget it. I don't think that we're supposed to listen to that thing that says push it to the side. I think that's the last thing you're supposed to do. I think you're supposed to keep that right there. God gave you that. That to. I guess as a thing to go back to. So when you get into that false ideology that, like, life is materialistic.

A (47:29)

Yeah.

B (47:29)

And normal, God went, no, no, it's not, dude.

A (47:32)

Yeah. Just to keep you on your toes a little bit.

B (47:33)

Yeah.

A (47:34)

Yeah.

C (47:34)

Paranormal receipts.

B (47:35)

Paranormal receipts. Keep these receipts, baby. Don't. Don't ignore them. Don't ignore them.

C (47:39)

I like that.

B (47:41)

Well, look, man, thanks for. For joining us.

A (47:43)

For sure.

C (47:43)

Yeah.

B (47:44)

It was cool to have you come by. Definitely. We're gonna. For the audience, I guess we're gonna pause this and then we'll be back shortly.

C (47:51)

I wish. Maybe we should end it.

B (47:53)

You want to end it? Okay, we'll end it. Guys, stick around. Stick close to your patreons. You'll get a notification. We'll be back real soon.

C (47:59)

We'll be back soon, guys. See you in a couple minutes.

B (48:01)

We're back. Guys. If you saw that first conversation with Tori. Now this is the second half of the show. And we're back in the studio with Dylan, who's all the way from Canada. Correct.

D (48:10)

Canadia is correct.

B (48:13)

He came a long way only. Only to do this. There's no other reason that he's here in Florida. Not a single other reason except for coming here to talk on the.

C (48:22)

Impressive.

B (48:23)

Isn't that correct?

D (48:24)

Well, Canada Gay is my home. And.

C (48:26)

Yeah.

D (48:27)

But deep, deep down and philosophically, I resonate with the people of Florida.

B (48:31)

Well, it's interesting because he.

C (48:32)

He gives off very strong Florida man vibes.

B (48:35)

Except for what he says about. And I go, oh, There it is. Yeah, I hear it.

C (48:38)

I want to get up out of the conversation when he does.

B (48:42)

Recoiling. But it's funny because, you know, you're in Florida. You got some. Some roots here, and then one of your stories is in New Jersey, which is where I'm from. Is that like a normal thing? Have you traveled a lot?

D (48:56)

So. Yeah, I have. Yeah, I've been pretty blessed in that regard. Kind of a free spirit. I don't know how to put it in the least gay way here, but, yeah, when I was younger, I was definitely cruising around a lot of time in Germany especially.

B (49:10)

Really?

D (49:11)

Yeah.

B (49:11)

Oh, that's interesting.

C (49:12)

Well, that's right. You mentioned your wife from Germany and.

D (49:16)

Yeah, not wife.

C (49:17)

Not wife.

B (49:17)

Not wife.

D (49:18)

Okay, we're gonna park them on that.

B (49:20)

Okay, that's fine. I'll delete that from the. My bad.

C (49:22)

Take that out. And Nancy, take that out of the record.

B (49:25)

She's not here.

D (49:26)

You don't have to take anything out.

C (49:28)

She's not here.

B (49:28)

No, we're going to. We're not even gonna release this. So yesterday we were here at the studio, and you came by, and we. We chopped it up, and it was a fun conversation. And then we were sitting outside with our social media manager, not Nancy, and she was saying she. She was pointing a gun at us, and she said, there's a type of content you guys have to make that is on the list because she organizes it all. She tells us, like, the type of thing that she wants to see us talk about or whatever.

C (49:57)

We have to do it, do it.

B (49:59)

Or else we take. Take, you know, we get shot. And so she goes, I've been wanting to do this kind of on the street interview style, you know, content with people that come in the shop, which sucks. That's, like, a lot of pressure, right? It's like. I don't know, I've been, like, just kind of going, well, you know, because that just means, like, we're gonna ask some random person who comes in.

C (50:23)

So, you know, on the Patreon made himself sick today.

B (50:26)

Well, I just drank a lot of NyQuil really early, and there's a whole thing. But so. So we said. Well, she actually said. She was like, it sucks because it's dead here right now. And it was a guy in here before who you guys were talking to. Would have been cool to do this before. And I said, I don't know if he has any. Any stories or anything like that, but, yeah, it would have been cool because at least we know we're on the same Page to talk to you. Right. There she is with her.

C (50:47)

It's a live look at with her Glock, our social media manager.

D (50:51)

Damn down.

B (50:52)

We call her Lady Long arms. It's the same.

C (50:58)

Same lady.

B (50:58)

She's just mad looking. Yeah, she looks really angry.

C (51:02)

It's mostly Brazilian.

B (51:03)

But then what ended up happening is like during that conversation, you ended up walking through the door again.

D (51:08)

Yeah.

B (51:08)

And you were just coming by to say, you know, you know, your goodbyes and.

C (51:12)

Yeah. It's very, like, very serendipity polite. Because he's Canadian.

B (51:15)

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

D (51:16)

I wait around for two and a half hours. I forgot I was all about saying goodbye. Totally. I was actually out in the parking lot and my kids were diving into the hedges and swimming along.

C (51:28)

Yeah.

D (51:28)

And climbing the trees. And I was like. And I was standing there barefoot because I've been hanging around 5G towers and airports.

B (51:35)

You got to be grounding.

D (51:37)

I love it.

B (51:37)

Yeah, man.

D (51:38)

I had to. And I just felt obliged to. And I was chatting up Vanessa, who's that interesting guy.

C (51:43)

Yeah.

B (51:43)

Yeah, that's right.

D (51:44)

Great. Yeah, it was cool.

C (51:45)

Nice.

B (51:46)

When you came in, I asked you, you know, if you would be interested in doing something like that.

C (51:50)

Did you see Vanessa's episode? Yeah. Okay.

B (51:52)

With the parasites. Dude, she had that thing in the jar. She didn't let us keep it right now.

D (51:57)

That'd be so cool.

B (51:59)

It was weird looking. It was pigmented.

C (52:01)

I forgot to take a picture to show the people. But yeah, it was.

D (52:05)

If there was something to take a picture of, that would be it.

B (52:09)

I'm guilty of that, though. I don't do, like, if something cool is happening, I rarely take a picture.

C (52:12)

It wouldn't do it justice. This. It's like taking a picture of the moon and be like, yeah, look at that. It was. It was like a hair and then there were these white fibers coming from the hair.

B (52:22)

And the hair itself was like oily, segmented. Like there was like segments. It was like a thick hair. And then a slightly thinner hair would come out of it and a slightly thinner hair would come out of that one. And a slightly thinner hair, which. It was weird.

C (52:34)

It don't grow like that.

B (52:34)

No, don't grow like that.

C (52:36)

It's crazy.

B (52:37)

And you said, yeah, I do have some stories I wouldn't mind sharing. So we start talking and immediately I'm like, oh, dude. Like these. These stories are. Are good for a one minute clip, but they need to be. We got to discuss them. Typically, I. Yeah.

C (52:50)

As we're. As we're getting the Story from you. Tiffany's going, yeah.

B (52:54)

She's like, wrap it up. But afterwards she's like, what? Yeah, what was that? Because what's really funny is people don't know this about Tiffany the social media girl, is that she's not from this world at all. She's from like a tiny home kind of content. Also, like real estate. Real estate contention. Yeah. You know, skincare product type of thing, whatever.

C (53:14)

So it's fascinating having her sit here and she's like, well, what are the nephilim? And we're like, well, sit the down.

B (53:19)

And you're telling us your story. And to us, we're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, tracks, tracks. She's over there like, what? What is he talking about? We actually had this really funny moment where after you shared a story, you were interacting with your kids, so you're a little distracted in between stories. And. And she goes, it's so crazy that this kind of thing, like, happens to people, you know, what is it just like a thing happens? And I go, not usually, actually. And I say, what's. What's pretty consistent is they'll have an experience or two major ones, and that'll be like the. The real big ones. But then they're. They're especially. Childhood is dotted with strange stories. And you'll typically find out your parents or your grandparents also had strange experiences or were involved in something. And she goes, really? And I go, watch this. And I ask you that question, Yo.

D (54:02)

Dylan, dude, that floored me.

B (54:04)

And you were like, oh, absolutely. And she was like, oh. I'm like, yeah, I don't know what. I don't. I don't deign to understand this, but I do recognize. Yeah, we know.

C (54:13)

We know the rules. We know the rules.

B (54:15)

Yeah, you do.

C (54:16)

So, yeah, that's a rule.

B (54:18)

I don't know which story we want to. What we want to start with.

C (54:21)

I do like the. I like the New Jersey one.

B (54:24)

I really like the New Jersey one.

D (54:25)

Yeah.

B (54:26)

So. So let's revisit the New Jersey story and. And not have to worry about encapsulating it in a one minute.

C (54:31)

And we'll act surprised.

B (54:32)

We'll act like we haven't heard it before.

D (54:35)

Promise. Okay. So yeah, this would take place. I was on a. A cooperative with my university on my final year. I had gone down to actually Modesto, California, of all places, the previous year. And this year I was. Anyways, long story, but I was recruited. A lot of people wanted to recruit me to go and do sales. I can do door to door sales, sales for what?

B (54:59)

Like, what were you?

D (54:59)

Anything, man.

B (55:00)

Really?

D (55:00)

Yeah, I've done fiber optic, solar security systems.

B (55:06)

Okay.

D (55:06)

Yeah. So anyway, I was getting headhunted after I went down my first year. I didn't really. I was getting ripped off by the company the whole time. So I wasn't really making a ton of money. So I was like, I guess I'm just like an average sales guy. But my numbers were really good. So then when that company went under, everyone tried to recruit us and I got pulled down to New Jersey and actually my friend owned the company and he owns a big company where I'm from now too.

B (55:30)

So you were, you were living in California and then you were pulled in New Jersey. So you're living. This is like.

D (55:35)

I went back to university and was being a university bum again for another year.

C (55:38)

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

D (55:39)

Just a useless piece of skin. And then I get a call, a bunch of calls the following year, like, hey, come down to Utah and we'll fly you down here and you can be a manager and we'll give you lots of money. And I was like, sounds nice. It was, dude.

C (55:50)

Like, yeah, what's the catch?

D (55:52)

Yeah, kinda like I was like. Because it was a catch the first time around. And that was. I got ripped off huge. But anyway, I was like, sure, I'll come on down. I knew the guy that had the business. He was legit. Like, you know, it all paid good. When I first got there, I was doing the door to door thing very quickly. I. I just bought a car and did my own thing. But at first I had to get. This is my first week arriving there. Yep. Actually could even be the first or second day.

B (56:17)

Okay.

D (56:18)

From arriving there, I was dropped.

B (56:21)

Introduction to New Jersey, by the way.

D (56:22)

Right. I was dropped in my area because this is how door to door sales work. You know, everyone piles in a minivan, they blast the hip hop and they drop you off.

B (56:29)

It's like Mormon later.

D (56:30)

It's like Mormonism. Yeah.

C (56:31)

Were you, were you familiar with New Jersey at all before this?

D (56:34)

Zero.

B (56:35)

Zero.

C (56:36)

Very funny. It is funny because it's like New Jersey's like kind of New York, but if New York was a dirty highway.

B (56:41)

Well, look, I gotta defend New Jersey because depending on where you go in New Jersey, you might be treated to something pleasant, you might be treated to something unpleasant. You can go a half an hour in one direction, be in a hell hole, cityscape. You can go a half an hour in the other direction. Beautiful farmland, you know, woodland area a little bit further. And all of a sudden you're, you know, at the, at the boardwalk in the Jersey shore, which, it's true, but.

C (57:03)

No matter where you are in Jersey, you could see the garbage dump.

B (57:06)

Yeah. No matter where you are in Jersey, it always smells like. Always smells like. Where were you and where they drop you off off?

D (57:12)

Well, the place that smelled the least like it was right next to Princeton.

B (57:17)

Princeton's beautiful.

D (57:18)

It was, it was the Princeton area. So it's West Windsor, so.

C (57:20)

Yeah. Okay.

D (57:21)

Yeah, it was right beside Princeton architecture.

B (57:24)

The, the, the college there. You know, a lot of old buildings. It's. It's a beautiful area. Princeton.

D (57:30)

Yeah. We were going around door to door, knocking on these new developments. We. And it was like all Indians.

B (57:37)

Oh, yeah.

D (57:37)

Living in these new homes with their whole family for several generations, but, like.

B (57:41)

Sandals on the front porch.

D (57:43)

Yeah. And I mean, of course, it's easy to knock the Indians, and I do it probably, I don't know, three, four times an hour. But nonetheless, these guys had it figured out.

C (57:53)

You guys have a big about. You have a big problem with Indians in Canada, right?

D (57:56)

You censor my boots?

B (57:57)

No, no, we're actually gonna raise the volume every time.

C (58:01)

Yeah, boost the volume on those, please.

B (58:02)

We'll just bleep them out.

C (58:05)

You guys have like a lot of Indians in your legislature? I don't know. Is that true?

D (58:12)

We got a lot of Indians in general, man.

B (58:14)

Yeah. Okay. New Jersey is then Mini Canada because after 9 11. Bad time for the Sikhs to be showing up because everybody was just like, if you're brown, you're going down. But after 9 11.

D (58:24)

Coincidence?

A (58:25)

Yeah.

D (58:25)

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

B (58:27)

They all showed up and they all bought new developments, the biggest houses in town, and they moved all their families in a million pairs of shoes on the front porch. So you. It was, it was, it was a cultural shock to live in. Where I lived, I grew up in an area called Carteret. So. Yeah. Par for the course. Sounds like you are describing New Jersey.

D (58:47)

Yeah. And I think I was here there right at the kind of precipice of that, because that's. That was my experience. Most of my clients were Indians and they were going through the paperwork and they're fine to work with. Like, really the overall experience was quite.

B (58:59)

Positive, really, because they haggle like no other.

D (59:03)

Well, a lot of what they were, they were getting something for free because basically the way the whole program was set up, it was all subsidized by the government.

B (59:10)

Oh, so that's why you were. They were your main reason. Yeah, yeah.

D (59:12)

You gotta get to finance for $50,000. Let's just do that. But it's free and then it's free again.

C (59:16)

Right.

D (59:17)

So it's a little bit of like, you know, card play there, but then. But you know, they're. They're looking at it thoroughly and we figured it out together. The whole thing was pretty good.

C (59:26)

Yeah.

D (59:27)

But, yeah, not to deviate too much into the, into the business side, but on my first couple days there, I was walking on my own. Like, I was like, I'd already made a bunch of leads and everyone's interested, but you got to get a bunch of paperwork from them. And so it's kind of administratively burdensome. Yeah. And so I'm walking down the road going through my phone like a total normie, just like. Yeah.

B (59:48)

You know, there was no E sign documents back then either.

D (59:51)

No. Everything was like. I even had a little keyboard on the. Yeah, that's right. So it was like very cumbersome. And as I was cruising the. The sidewalk, there's these massive elm trees and probably like 15, 20 foot spacing between each of them.

B (60:05)

Yeah, beautiful.

D (60:06)

Beautiful.

B (60:06)

You might say that this part of New Jersey is beautiful. The massive elm trees, you know, the big homes. And it's beautiful area that it was beautiful.

C (60:13)

Let him finish the story. Let him finish the story.

D (60:14)

Yeah, we'll get to that. So it was a big. On the far side of these trees was a big, cleared probably 5 acre space and pretty for the area. Modest home there. And so. And I. As I was passing through, as I was just about to come past one tree, I saw an enormous black shadow with a wide wingspan. And it just. I saw it kind of start to go like this. And then I was like, I felt my heart come up and I was like, what is that? And then I had to like kind of psych myself up a little bit. And I like looked around the tree on the far side and it was still coming down. And it was a man, a muscular man, black, oily falcon, eagle, bird of some kind.

B (61:03)

That's a crazy description.

D (61:05)

I don't know how best to describe it. I mean, that's that color of that.

B (61:09)

Bird, like very, very black.

D (61:10)

It was like oil. It was like looking. It wasn't the physical. It was physical, but it wasn't. Because actually as it came in and it was blowing back leaves and grass and debris, and I was like, oh, my gosh, this has physical presence, but it looks like it shouldn't be here.

C (61:28)

It's funny as you're describing that feeling I just had that yesterday. I was walking Just minding my own business to the back of my property. And my dog came out of nowhere. But it was like it was just turning dark and all you hear is like. And like, I know I have a dog, but your throat goes, oh, is this it? How's it gonna get me?

B (61:55)

It's been good.

C (61:55)

That, that feeling of like, yeah, like I'm not scared, but like, oh man, something's about to happen. Yes, it's that, that's what you're feeling.

D (62:03)

That was it. That was it. And it stayed at that kind of decibel. As I'm watching this thing come and then land and it lands without a sound. And then it pulls its wings in. And that's, that's one part. I left it yesterday. As it pulls its wings in, I could really accentuate the fact that this is like a muscular man. That's what it looks like. And it turns its head to the side. Turns its head to the side.

B (62:30)

Yeah.

D (62:30)

And it's got its hooked beak and a thick head and it has a thick, muscular composure. And it probably stands six feet tall.

B (62:40)

Damn, dude, did you. How clear of a line of sight did you have to this thing, this.

D (62:44)

Was again, 60, 70 yards, non obstructed, non obstructed of totally open. There's nothing there. This house, midday, and this thing lands and I'm looking at it and I can't tell if it's looking at me or not because it's just postured up. And I was like, I guess, guess I'll keep walking. So I kind of kept my eye on it. And I passed by another elm tree and as I was kind of passing through this next one to look over, it took off again and it went up and then it landed on the roof of the house.

B (63:17)

What is this thing looking up, looking like when it's taken off?

D (63:22)

It's like an eagle. You know, eagles are very impressive, right? Like they're big and they're big and hardy birds. It's like that, but six feet tall and black oil.

B (63:32)

So what happens to the wingspan of a thing that's six feet tall? I mean, an eagle's got a considerable.

C (63:36)

It's got to be double, right massive.

D (63:38)

It's got, it's got a big wingspan. But the wingspan, it wasn't as kind of jarring to me as the physical stature, because as it stood now, I'm not going to call myself six feet. I'm not even five, ten technically, but we can't tell.

B (63:53)

Yeah, I can't.

D (64:00)

But yeah, as it. That's One thing that really struck me as I was like, this has a physical.

B (64:06)

Wow. Thank you, man. That's so nice. Wow. Wait, wait. I had to pay for this one. I know. He paid for those. Who paid for those? Adam? I didn't get a stage name, dude.

D (64:15)

I got my.

B (64:15)

Oh, there you go. Yeah. You don't accept Matt coin yet. There's enough to go around, guys, if you have.

C (64:22)

Yeah, if you bring Matt coin to the shop, that's.

B (64:24)

You get free. You get free coffee with every Mac coin. All right, thank you, Adam. Did Adam call? Thank you, Adam. I don't know who Adam is, but he's bringing tallow chips. By the way, these aren't even sponsored, but these things are awesome yaka chips. They're made with the beef shallow, and they're delicious, so thank you. I don't know if Adam's in the chat. Oh, Adam, it's Sima. Thank you, Sima. Hang out.

C (64:50)

We'll see in a few minutes.

B (64:51)

So. So that's interesting, because what you're saying is the musculature of this thing is more the focal point than the wingspan, even.

D (65:02)

Yeah, it was like, the physical because, I mean, at the time, I was hitting the gym a lot. Like, I was very secular up and of this world and very materialistic and pursuing money and going to the gym, and I was quite fit, and I was like, this thing stands with a similar composure and posture to myself.

C (65:22)

It was peacocking on you.

B (65:24)

Well, it's like, showing off.

D (65:25)

If anything, it was like it was mirroring me. Like, this could be you.

B (65:29)

That's interesting, right?

D (65:30)

It's like, this is. Like, this is on par to you in some regard.

A (65:36)

Do you.

B (65:37)

I. I don't want to detract from this, but I want to be able to. To kind of get into a nice groove with the story, really, like, share all the details. So in the spirit of that. That I'm. I don't want to rush this. You've heard the story, maybe, that I've told about seeing that thing, and my wife saw it and my son saw it. It was muscular, and it also kind of felt similar. Like it was mirroring me. Like, it was.

C (65:59)

No, when you tell that story, I picture the same build that. Because David has a very specific type of build, he. I. I make fun of his walk because he walks like this.

B (66:08)

I don't walk like that.

C (66:09)

He walks like. Like his is. But when you tell the story, I always picture it being like you, but way bigger.

B (66:16)

It is. That's what I remember. It was.

C (66:17)

It Was like a monster. Like you ever seen Space Jam? And then like, like the guys turn into the.

B (66:22)

Yeah, they turn into the big ones.

C (66:23)

But you can tell that it's still like.

D (66:24)

Yeah.

B (66:25)

There was something about it that, like when he used the phrase mirroring you, I, I would go as far as to say the same thing. Like this thing was mirroring me, but it was like imposing. Like, like I remember, you know, you just think of, in the realm of seeing something out of the norm. This is a supernatural entity. Right. Even if it's, even if it's a natural being, which I'm not saying that it is, but even if it's a natural one, you're like, this is above and beyond what we've been led to believe exists within the natural realm still. The thing that stuck out as, as notable to me was like, this thing looks like it would be a problem. Problem, like if you had to tango with it. Like it looks like it is very strong, very sturdy, imposing, like. Yeah, so that's just an interesting thing because I, that, that actually resonates like with my own experience. So. Yeah, I mean. And you said it's skin.

D (67:21)

Skin. I would not say skin.

B (67:22)

You would not say skin?

D (67:23)

No.

B (67:23)

How would you describe like the surface of it?

D (67:26)

The surface was not just intangible, but you couldn't perceive depth. It was almost like it was two dimensional and three dimensional at the same time.

B (67:39)

Oh, that's fascinating.

D (67:40)

Yeah. Like it had. No, that's the best way to say it. Yeah.

C (67:45)

I think it's because, I don't know, like, I feel like when, when they, when they talk about these sort of entities and like light hitting it, it's, it's almost absorbing the light. So it's not going to reflect on it, like.

B (67:57)

Yeah, it's not going to add that. Three dimensional.

C (67:59)

Yeah. We have all these lights and they're on your face in a certain way. So it creates this depth of shadow on that side of your head so that people can see what your face looks like. If it was like full bright, you would look very flat. And if it was full dark, obviously it'd be black. But if something is absorbing all of the light, you're not going to get a good texture or three dimensional texture. But I guess you're thinking that it's three dimensional because it did show you its profile, right?

D (68:23)

Well, the profile even then wasn't necessarily three dimensional. The only thing that made me really feel the fact that it had a physical presence was the fact that it was moving dirt and leaves as it was beating its wings.

B (68:35)

I was like, oh, but would you say the sun has, like. Like, no effect? Like, light didn't have an effect on it?

D (68:40)

No. And come to think of it, I don't recall there being a shadow.

B (68:45)

Oh, that's interesting. It's almost like this thing is, like, stamped into reality. Yeah.

D (68:51)

Yeah.

C (68:52)

That's crazy.

D (68:53)

Yeah.

B (68:54)

So. So it takes off and it lands on a roof.

D (68:57)

Yes.

B (68:59)

And this is, like.

C (69:00)

It's very cool.

B (69:01)

I wonder when this thing is moving around, like. I know. No, you said it earlier. I don't know if you said in this show, but, like, it lands without a sound, even though it's moving. Leaves.

D (69:12)

And it looks big as hell. It's imposing. Like, you're like, this has weight. It must.

B (69:18)

But it's silent. Silent.

D (69:19)

Yeah.

B (69:20)

So it lands on this roof and. And. And then what?

D (69:24)

It postures again. It just turns its head, right. And kind of, like, shows its thick, pointed beak and just has this kind of proud stance and doesn't move. And at that point, like, I'm just taking this all in, and I'm. There's a part of me that's blown away, and I'm, like, fixated on it. There's a part of me, like, let's get the out of here.

B (69:48)

Yeah.

D (69:49)

Right. So I'm like. I'm also going through this, processing what's going on, and then I'm at the same time, like, walking away from it. Yeah. Until the point where it gets out of my line of sight, and then I just start running.

C (70:02)

That's a fascinating aspect of being entranced by it. Almost kind of wanting to still observe or, like, find out more and then being like. Like, do I want to?

D (70:13)

Yeah. It's like two simultaneous things.

B (70:15)

Let me ask you this. Did you get the feeling that if you were to run without breaking its line of sight, that it would have given chase?

D (70:22)

God, don't say stuff like that, you.

B (70:26)

Know, because I. I've. I've been in situations before where. Not with, like, a supernatural thing, but, like, me and my buddy ended up in the wrong side of town one day, and we triggered the awareness of a. Basically a group of black dudes at night. Nope. No black dudes. And. And my. They. They were talking shit to us. And I was, like, talking to my buddy. I'm like, dude, just keep moving. Just keep moving. There's like, 10 of them. There's two of us. Just keep moving. And he's just like, we should run. And I'm like, don't run yet.

C (70:58)

Don't show fear.

B (70:59)

It's not that you don't show fear. It's like they. They started mobilizing, and right now they're just kind of generally moving in our direction, talking to us.

C (71:09)

That is true. It's like they do almost want you to run.

B (71:11)

If you run, they're gonna know to run. But if we can break this line of sight, turn around this corner and then run, they won't know that we've started running yet. So they won't. In other words, we'll just be able to put more distance between us and them. If they see you running, they're gonna take off at the same time. So.

D (71:28)

So they're probably fast.

B (71:30)

They're definitely faster. They have an extra bone.

C (71:35)

This is. This is not.

B (71:36)

This is.

C (71:38)

But, yeah, I mean, so given Timothy Albarino all the. All the ammunition he needs has more.

B (71:42)

Than enough ammunition to revoke our Christian car. But what I'm saying is what I did there was. It had utilitarian purpose to it. There was. It was a tactic. I'm dealing with something that, like, I'm now in a prey situation, and there's a predator. And I don't mean to call black people predators, but I'm just saying that. I'm trying to talk my way through this.

D (72:04)

Try.

B (72:05)

Hang in there with me. Listen to me. All right. It sounds to me like you were operating on. On very much the same thing. Maybe you didn't intellectualize it, but it's like you didn't. You did run, but after you broke the line of sight.

D (72:18)

Yeah, eventually, that.

B (72:19)

That actually makes it. I mean, that's a small detail and maybe might seem insignificant, but, like, that's something that I've done when I was in serious trouble.

C (72:29)

Serious trouble.

B (72:30)

Serious trouble.

D (72:30)

Yeah.

B (72:31)

And. And. And they did give chase, but, you know, that was a scenario where you behaved like you were in serious trouble.

D (72:40)

It felt like I was in serious trouble in some regards. It felt. But it felt okay. Here's the other thing. It felt powerful, okay? Like it was blended with fear, but it had an element of power to it, too. And that's what's offered, you know, that's what, as you guys know, right. Like, it felt concerning and frightening, but powerful. And it felt powerful, but it. It didn't make me feel like a mouse or something, But I was. I was afraid, don't get me wrong. But I was also. I don't know, there was this kind of tone of. Of power behind it, right.

C (73:15)

In Atlanta. Attractive type of power.

B (73:16)

Kind of. Yeah.

C (73:17)

That's interesting.

B (73:18)

You feel in some way, just talking to you now that this, you know, you're using this expression. It's mirror. It mirrored you in some way, shape or form. This thing, it seems less like you stumbled upon something that was random or local.

D (73:36)

Yes, exactly.

B (73:37)

This is something that like, is associated with you and your. Your walk in life at that point. Point. And for whatever reason you were able to see it in this town, in this moment, but it wasn't unique to that town or this moment. Seems like maybe it was unique to you.

C (73:53)

Well, was it? I mean, let him, let's let him finish the story.

D (73:58)

Well, I mean, the, the story from there would be, I'm calling my guys. I'm like, okay, I'm done. Like, I'm done for the day.

B (74:06)

Yeah. We tell them, you say, hey, I saw a giant birdman. I'm not selling.

D (74:10)

I was, man. I was like, like, you know, I mean, like might. It'd be cool after the fact to say that I was all cool headed and like, kept it by myself. No, man, I was like blurting it out and I was in the van and I was like. I saw this thing like everyone. No. And I just met everyone.

B (74:23)

Oh, that sucks.

D (74:24)

Literally like a day or two before.

B (74:26)

This guy's crazy.

C (74:28)

This is gonna work out with this new guy.

D (74:29)

Yeah, no, that's right. And I'm like articulating it like I am now. And they're like, well, this guy sounds crazy by what he's saying, but he's making sense sense with his words.

B (74:38)

Yeah. He doesn't sound like he's on crack.

D (74:39)

Yeah, yeah. So there and then nobody really knew how to receive it. And.

A (74:45)

Oh.

D (74:45)

And yeah. So the other part of this was I go back to my apartment and I'm just trying to explain it to my roommates who like I just met.

B (74:52)

Damn, dude, this sucks. You're like out by yourself, basically. Great time to do this to you.

D (74:59)

I guess so. You know, and then, yeah, my roommates, one of them was. Was like a legit, on paper, genius guy. And he, at the same time, it was either that day or the day before, showed me the first Zeitgeist documentary. And that was like. That was a. My head exploded.

C (75:24)

Yeah, dude.

D (75:25)

Especially around. I mean, they went into the calling Christ, like a recurring theme throughout history.

B (75:32)

And that kind of the celestial crux and all the different renditions. Osiris. Yeah.

D (75:37)

So what's interesting is if you couple that with the. With the knowledge they give you of like how the financial system works, which in my understanding is fairly Accurate. Yeah. You're kind of correlating. Well, this is true, so this must be true.

B (75:48)

Right.

D (75:49)

And so it kind of like, okay, well, this thing with Jesus being a recurring theme, I was like, that could be the case. I. I'm. But I'm more fixated on the financial part of things. And then I was. Because I was actually in financial services at the time, too. So it was like life insurance, mutual funds, that kind of stuff. And I couldn't go back to it. Like, I was like, this is so corrupt. Corrupt and immoral. And, like, it totally. I was like, it's interesting because it would move you. That thing moves you away from capitalism and the secular. But without Christ. Right, right. So it kind of drops you off.

B (76:25)

The edge with no lifeline for a.

D (76:27)

Young guy like me. Drop me off the edge, and then I'm just traveling the world after that without Christ in my life. Just getting with women and.

C (76:40)

Yeah. No foundation at all.

D (76:41)

No, no.

B (76:42)

2007 Zeitgeist, the movie comes out.

C (76:45)

That's a dangerous thing that people do. And it's like, we were talking about Christian nationalism with.

B (76:50)

I was.

C (76:50)

I was talking about that with Matt yesterday on Straight Bible Day, before. I don't know what day it is. I'll just be honest. And it seems like the Christian nationalist movement is now picking up these disaffected men that have the same condition. And it's not. It's not necessarily the condition of, like, we've broke your political foundation, but, like, I think society has broken them in a way. And they're kind of, like, out there. They don't have any prospects. There's, you know, no monetary prospects, no female prospects out there.

B (77:18)

Oh, yeah.

C (77:19)

So you have, like, a bunch of disaffected men. They get swept up by the left, a lot of them, and they'll. They'll be in protests. Yeah, yeah, sure. Like the.

D (77:27)

The like, Come here. We'll just pat you on the back. It's okay.

C (77:30)

Sure.

D (77:31)

Homo. And they're.

C (77:32)

What if a man doesn't have an identity? The left starts grabbing them. And now the right has started doing that. You'll see Andrew Tate doing that. But I feel like that's also a Christian nationalist grab as well. And it's like, I guess it's better than nothing, but are you really, like, leading them to the correct.

D (77:46)

It's so sus. But man, like, yeah, you know, I want to. I'm so for the message that Christ brings, but I am not for public and popular culture, anything. Yeah. As soon as it becomes well, how.

B (78:01)

Do you blend Jesus with the world and then you get this.

D (78:04)

So counter to the world.

B (78:06)

Yeah, yeah.

D (78:07)

And if you, and if you make him of the world, well, then you're, you're losing the message.

B (78:11)

Yeah, it's, it's hard because your walk with, with Christ, I think is, is very unique and it's very personal. It's very intimate. Right. And this Christian nationalism thing that seems to be poking its head up is not intimate or, or unique. It's, it's, it's like a conglomeration. It's like a, an ideology to glom onto. And I think the problem is it's the same way the left can scoop up these, you know, disaffected dudes is we have an identity in Christ. And that's why trying to understand who you are is like, you know, you're gonna make movies about this shit, like, who am I? I'm going off to find myself. It's like one of the big questions, like, what am I supposed to do? Who am I? Kind of a deal. And the reason it's a big question is because you do have an identity in Christ. And if you don't find that identity, you're likely to just grab onto something that promises you one, the next thing. So it's like, you know, for a lot of people, religion, strict religion, like just, just going to a church, not really walking with Christ, but like going and, and going through the motions. Well, there's your identity. Here's the things that you value, here's the things that you're against. Here's your people, your tribe. And the left is the same thing. Here's your set of political values, here's your, your, the things that you stand up against. Here's your people. You even go a step further and you could be a Zimzer, they, them, whatever.

C (79:30)

So what happens then? I mean, you have, you have this shattered your idea of how, how things work. So now you're like blank slate late and you're traveling the world. What happens there?

D (79:40)

You become of the world, you know, like you. You're asking me personally though. Yeah, so I actually just become more hedonistic in the sense of. And I could be generational and I could maybe tie that into the other story. But like I, I struggle with lust and with women. And so, so that's what I pursued to great success. And so I thought that I had it all figured out because I was like dating beautiful women.

B (80:19)

And so if that's the mark of success, you're hitting it.

D (80:22)

Yeah.

B (80:23)

Exactly.

D (80:23)

I was like, why would I put in all the leg work and the time to build a business or to do a thing when I could just take the guy, this woman.

C (80:30)

Right, right.

D (80:31)

Which is like. And I was. And also university, you gotta remember, I'm also being indoctrinated.

B (80:36)

Yeah.

D (80:36)

With all that left leaning academic ideology. Not this. I don't want to write everything about university off. Like I've learned some, some interesting things. But one thing I dove into heavily was evolutionary theory and evolutionary psychology. And that became my framework work for my worldview. So evolutionary psychology would just be on the pretense of we have a tribal subconscious. And so we're constantly evaluating based on hierarchical status and adaptable traits. And so. And it made sense. And it's hard to say even now it doesn't make sense. Like I look like you can evaluate things from a mammalian level.

B (81:21)

Sure.

D (81:23)

Based on hierarchy and things of this nature.

B (81:25)

The same thing happens with, with the, with the sex drive too. Because it says that we have a desire, a genetic desire to propagate with young. And therefore it's totally natural to do that. And then when you start looking at that as a natural function of biology, you go, why fight against it?

D (81:42)

That's true too. I mean, I wasn't gonna fight it. I'd rather know it intimately. So I studied that. And then I get into the Venetian arts, which is like understanding how love and that would correspond and like, you know, how to, how to have a higher social status and have women find you attractive and what to say and what not to say and how to posture yourself and like. Do you guys know Neil Strauss in the Game? Yeah. Remember that? So like I was into that. What's that line of thinking? It's a guy out of Hollywood, actually. A Jewish guy.

B (82:13)

Jewish guy to Hollywood turns a quinces. You don't say.

C (82:16)

Anyway, is that what that Will Smith movie is kind of like based on? Hitch? I think so.

B (82:21)

Hitch is like the dating advice.

C (82:23)

Kind of like pickup artists, but really psychological.

D (82:25)

That's right.

B (82:25)

I like modeled my, my high school dating career after that.

C (82:29)

The thing is like, like you're saying successfully. It works. These things work though, because there is a priori truth to them. But I don't know if we're called to. No, we're not do those things. But I, but I do look at the world and I go, that, that's, that is also very true. Like we have to take that into account. But we're supposed to, I think, ignore those things and, and work in a different Manner.

B (82:49)

Yeah, well, it's. It's now hijacked as well.

D (82:52)

That's the only manner I had. Right, right.

B (82:54)

I was like, desires of the flesh.

D (82:56)

Well, that and this academic basis and evolutionary psychology, because I was like, that.

B (83:00)

Tells you it's natural.

D (83:01)

I mean, these guys get paid lots of money. I paid them money to teach me, and it seems to be working.

B (83:08)

Right.

D (83:08)

And so it's like. And Christ is a recurring figure throughout history. That is probably sham. So I guess, therefore, I'm gonna try to be top monkey.

C (83:18)

Yeah, sure.

B (83:18)

So that's interesting.

C (83:20)

Top lobster.

B (83:22)

The dominance hierarchy. Right? Yeah, it's.

C (83:24)

That's the thing that. I mean, that's like, where the name comes from. And there is a truth to that. With the dopamine system of the lobster, as they battle through lobster fights, the. The top lobster stands up a stronger and larger. He appears that way to the other lobsters. And then there's this air of dominance or this facade. It's. It's actually kind of a little behind the scenes here, what we've done with the show and Bohemian Grove. We are not really that cool or that big, this show. But I told David a long time ago, if you appear this way, then people perceive you that way. And therefore, then it is true. This is a principle that is true. I don't think it should be abused, but it is true.

B (84:02)

It helps to understand it.

C (84:03)

It helps.

B (84:04)

Yeah, it helps because it's the nature of reality.

C (84:05)

It helps understand the phenomenon. So, like, as we were doing those things, like, we're setting up these events, I'm, like, number one, keenly aware I don't belong here. We don't belong on stage with Sam Tripoli and Owen Benjamin, all this.

B (84:17)

We don't.

C (84:18)

That's not. I'm just a guy that drives a truck. But the people who are watching, they don't think that way. So if I think that way, guy.

D (84:25)

Sitting here, here doesn't think that way. I approach you guys as a humble shrimp right now.

B (84:30)

That.

C (84:30)

And that's weird because.

D (84:31)

Because, like, I've been fanboying. I was fanboying you yesterday.

B (84:34)

Yeah, but we. From our perspective, you show up and it's just like, oh, cool, homie showed up.

C (84:39)

Also, here's a guy. Here's a guy with. Well, so. So you have this posture of an eagle.

D (84:44)

Right.

C (84:44)

Or whatever. But it's also a very successful dude. So I'm looking at you as a. As a guy not in. Within this artificial podcast realm. Obviously, in this realm, you don't have a podcast. So you're nobody. But that's not true. I know what you do. You come in here with two kids and you seem like a successful dude with a good head on your shoulder. So that's how I'm looking at you. Yeah. So the perception, it's just. But these things are just true.

B (85:06)

Perception becomes reality. It is reality. It is reality, unfortunately, is. Reality is objective. There needs to be a different word for the reality that is subjective.

C (85:17)

Yeah.

B (85:18)

The reality that one perceives when they look at a thing and, and they create a set of ideas within their own head about what they're perceiving isn't actually true. You know, there is an objective reality, but to understand that it is useful. It helps you to, to navigate this thing.

C (85:32)

And just don't start smelling your own farts. Because once you believe it, then, then it becomes a problem, then it becomes delusion.

D (85:38)

That's what the faith offers, is that humbleness. And the Lord knows I needed that. Yeah. Right. Because I was definitely arrogant. And I still struggle with that too.

B (85:47)

Too.

D (85:47)

Right. Because I'm not the best looking, I'm certainly not the most athletic, but I mean, I have been with 10 out of 10 really good looking women for a long time.

B (85:58)

Well, it actually is like, it makes you arrogant.

D (86:00)

Right? And then like, you win the business and yeah, I got so much. Rather than be arrogant, I'm focused on, I'm just replacing arrogance with blessed. Like the fact that I can even come down here and chill with you guys and like, take the time to do this. Like, what, What a blessing.

C (86:14)

Yeah. Be like, grateful.

D (86:16)

I'm so grateful.

B (86:17)

That's the thing.

D (86:18)

Right? Like, and that to me is closer to the truth. Because the arrogance is a lie. Because it's like, oh, it's all about me and I made it. It's like, no, dude, you were given this.

B (86:27)

Well, that's the thing is it took me a long time to realize, not a long time to realize, but I think a long time to start actually articulating it. That like, God allows you to do a thing. You're being allowed to do a thing. Any success that comes your way, you know, it feels good in the moment. But I think you have to give glory to God because if you zoom out, you go, oh, the creator of this universe that loves us and has created a way for redemption for us has allowed me to, to experience this thing. And do I bask in the glory of, you know, my own farts or do I go, wow, look what God allowed. Look at how amazing this is that God Let me partake in this.

C (87:07)

This.

B (87:07)

I'm incredibly grateful. God likes hard workers. God likes people that. That, you know, rise to opportunities or rise to challenges. But ultimately, when you overcome a thing, it's like, look what God allowed me to do, you know? So, yeah, I think that that gratitude is. You don't have that if you're full of pride and ego and you go, look at the thing that I've accomplished on my own. You know, laurels or whatever.

C (87:33)

Yeah.

B (87:35)

So you had a different experience. And I want to get into.

C (87:41)

Well, actually, I mean, there was something interesting that you said yesterday as well, with some research that you were doing, where you did stumble upon a figure that was similar to what you saw.

D (87:51)

Yeah, that's right.

C (87:52)

And when does that come into play?

D (87:54)

So post zeitgeist. Post this experience. Actually, you know what? In reflection now, it was very pivotal because I went from superficial and money driven to still superficial and money driven. But it gave me a lot of depth. And so I did start to go down all these rabbit holes. Right, right. Which is inevitably how I ended up here. But while I'm going down, like, I was. It wasn't long after that I watched like a six hour David Ike documentary and I was like, right. And so as I'm going down these rabbit holes, I'm getting into. I'm flirting with some Gnosticism stuff, because that's where it all leads. Yeah, yeah. Right. So. And part of that. Oh, okay. The guy's name. John Lamb Lashes is his name.

B (88:52)

Who's John Lamblash?

D (88:53)

John Lamb Lash is. Right.

C (88:57)

The Patreon dude.

D (88:59)

He's a Patreon dude. I don't know.

C (89:01)

Is that the guy that you said you were following on Patreon recently?

D (89:04)

No. That's something. So this guy knew John Lamblash. John Landlash is like the grandfather of modern day Gnosticism.

B (89:12)

Okay.

D (89:13)

And you'd only find him in certain circles. But, like the circles. That Gnome. No, him kind of thing. Right. And I just knew, like, he has a presence too. That's quite powerful. No question. And so I one day was perusing, doing my own black pill research.

C (89:31)

This dude.

D (89:34)

Yeah, that could be him.

C (89:35)

Okay. It looks like something actually.

D (89:38)

Why don't you put in Watika War Party?

C (89:40)

Okay.

D (89:41)

That is what. And it's very. This is almost like, like too intimate for me to share in public. Like, I don't even. I've only told a handful of people this story ever.

B (89:50)

Okay.

D (89:50)

Because this is like.

B (89:51)

But Watika War Party.

D (89:53)

Yeah. So this is a flag that he has behind himself in this video. And I saw it and I was like, that's it. That's what I saw in Jersey.

B (90:03)

Meaning this eagle.

C (90:05)

Eagle.

B (90:06)

For lack of a better word, man eagle.

C (90:09)

Yeah.

D (90:09)

I don't even know if you can get an image.

C (90:11)

I. Oh, I just. I put Watika war party flag and it came up as a Nazi flag. I don't think this is it.

D (90:19)

No, he does. He's got a strong.

B (90:22)

That kind of makes sense. Yeah, like the overlap in the paganism and the Gnosticism. Yeah.

D (90:27)

I'm not overly familiar with his philosophy, but I did listen to some of it and it's. It's kind of like the burning bush with Moses. He thinks was when nanotechnology came from that bush or something.

B (90:41)

Really.

D (90:41)

And then went into his. His nose and ears and affected the entire Israelite tribe to become the conduit.

B (90:50)

So sentient carbon.

D (90:51)

Yeah, that's right. Like black dust, black kind of thing. So this is when it infiltrated the Israelite and they became.

B (90:58)

That's fascinating.

D (90:59)

The weapons of the enemy, effectively.

B (91:04)

The enemy being like the demiurge, like an ancient AI.

C (91:07)

How do I spell? How do you spell Watika? W I T, I K A. Because I'm. I have some Indian stuff pulled up here. I'll show you, but I don't think this is it.

B (91:18)

These people taking dumps in the street. Oh, oh, that kind of Indian.

D (91:23)

No, no. Okay. You could put John Lamb lash war party.

C (91:29)

Okay, we'll come back to that in a second. Go ahead.

D (91:31)

Sure.

B (91:32)

So you're saying he has this idea. That's a fascinating idea because that does plug into the demiurge, which is probably the apex of the Gnostic principle. And then in recent decades, there's been this real integration of the idea of ancient AI that this demiurge is AI that's trying to recreate itself. And that's. Yeah, you get the black goo, you get this sentient carbon that, you know, kind of is the. The rudimentary form, I would say that's probably like the. The most. The simplest form of it. Oh, this is the guy.

C (92:09)

The guy for sure. Because. Was humanity infected with the mind virus? It's actually. It's kind of interesting.

D (92:15)

It is certainly interesting. Yeah.

C (92:17)

So there's a flag behind him in some. At some point. Right.

D (92:20)

There it is.

B (92:20)

Oh, there's the beefy. Look at that.

C (92:24)

Okay, hold on.

B (92:25)

We have the big screen. Yeah, See that? Can you make a big screen on for us too? Because I want to see that. Like.

C (92:30)

Yeah, just give me a second. I'M gonna blow this up.

B (92:32)

That's like a. That looks like a buff man eagle.

C (92:34)

What the hell?

B (92:36)

Okay, that's kind of crazy. And he's given the profile view just like that.

D (92:42)

So he had his.

C (92:42)

What the hell.

D (92:43)

His wings tucked more. But it's the same broad shouldered. Like this would be a slightly different posture. But this is.

B (92:51)

That's a man equal.

D (92:52)

It's a man.

B (92:53)

It's got shoulders. Like it's. This thing's got. Is that deltoids? Like that's. That's a.

C (92:57)

So what is he saying about this thing?

D (92:59)

You know what, man? It actually kind of freaked me out a bit. Where I didn't even get into it.

B (93:03)

Really.

D (93:04)

Yeah. Like this is.

B (93:05)

I could see that.

D (93:06)

Yeah.

C (93:06)

Like I was better left on unchecked.

D (93:08)

I unchecked that one. Yeah. Because like I read some of his material, I went through some of it.

C (93:12)

And it's like he was on Kalika War.

D (93:15)

That's why it's all they didn't have.

B (93:16)

I was thinking, because I. You can see here I have on my screen pulled up the. The ancient arms of the Rothschild. So it's their. Their family crest. And you'll see this.

C (93:25)

Hold on a second. Well, I know you don't want to look at this stuff, but now we're kind of into it.

B (93:29)

He's like, I didn't come here to be. This is lapped up by memories of eagles, dude. Holy.

C (93:36)

The Kalika War party. That is the. I wonder what these points are on it. It that they're symbolizing.

D (93:42)

You guys have a black proof vest here.

B (93:44)

No, we don't. In fact, we have a lady that's been showing up outside the. The thing.

C (93:47)

We got a smoke machine that we're afraid to turn on. That's really it.

B (93:50)

Yeah, that's about it. We don't want to get the. The thing set off so. So that almost looked like a constellation, right? Points, right.

D (93:57)

Yeah.

B (93:57)

That's an interesting.

D (93:58)

There's some dude, he's got some deep gnosis, no question. And actually my, my pastor about back. Back in Nova Scotia said to me because like I've been down some rabbit holes, right. And I'm trying to bring these things across to him because he's like, he's a brown belt in jiu jitsu and he's. He's pretty accomplished. He's got a good church and he's young. He's like our age. Okay. And. But yeah, when I was. I bring this kind of information to him and he's like, yeah, yeah, there's a lot of gnosis. There's a lot of wisdom that's offered. Oh, yeah, Buzzard. Earned. Earned. Like, did you earn it or did you bargain for it?

B (94:34)

Shortcuts to wisdom are never the way right. Never the way right.

D (94:39)

And I think that it makes me think about it. I'm like, how many shortcuts have I taken? Right. Because I'm almost like, my life isn't all roses. Right. Like I might be here and blessed and grateful, but, like, I struggle in other ways. And I'm like, maybe it's paying my penance for going down all these rabbit holes throughout the years. I have no idea.

C (94:59)

Yeah, imagine like you show a kid, you know, you. You show a child something that they weren't ready to learn. What kind of effect does that have on how they perceive everything else going forward?

B (95:10)

This hyper complex thing? And you go, here you go with the limited tool bag that you have.

C (95:14)

Yeah.

B (95:15)

Let's see what a mess you make of this.

C (95:16)

Here's a bird made of oil. What do you think about it?

B (95:19)

Here's a bird made of oil.

D (95:20)

You got to fly down to Florida to talk to anyone that makes sense. Sense to them.

C (95:24)

Yeah.

D (95:24)

Like there's. How many people am I gonna throw out with? Well, they're gonna give me the time and actually massage this out because this is a topic, dude. And I'm learning a lot myself right now.

B (95:33)

I mean, like I said, it is something that shows up on a lot of flags.

D (95:38)

Yeah.

B (95:38)

And I'm looking at the Rothschilds, you know, coat of arms. So maybe I'll type that in. Top, Rothschild's crest. Family crest.

C (95:46)

Yes, sir.

B (95:47)

And you'll see that. Nancy, pull that up. And you know, it's definitely not the same visage as, like a buff, but it is a black eagle. And I wonder in. In the wild how often that kind of thing.

C (96:01)

I mean, I know a black eagle. Does that even exist in the wild?

B (96:05)

Yeah.

C (96:05)

Well, at the very top here, that's like an eagle, but it's a plume serpent, more like, I guess there is.

B (96:10)

One bird of prey. There's a black eagle. Yeah, yeah. There you go.

C (96:14)

You've got top left and the very top. The raw trials. Can't really decide which gods they're. They're worshiping. So, like all of them, this.

B (96:22)

This thing's beak, was it also black?

D (96:24)

Yes, everything. It was all solid, solid, solid. Yeah. The closest thing is that that war flag that I've seen.

C (96:35)

We got it. We will. We'll do some more research into that and take a Look, especially this episode with this dude here in this Vitika war tribe.

D (96:43)

I don't doubt that a lot of your audience is probably already familiar.

C (96:46)

Oh, yeah, I know. I'm not too. It's too bad. Like, when we have an in person guest, like, it's hard to look at the chat and I don't, I don't want to look at it later. Like, no, whatever they say is going away now.

B (96:57)

Yeah. It goes away after they, they can comment on it, post.

D (97:01)

Can I plug myself right now?

B (97:02)

Yeah, plug away.

C (97:03)

Cool.

D (97:04)

Don't. Don't subscribe. Don't look for me.

B (97:08)

Fair enough.

D (97:08)

But I am on the Patreon with these guys.

C (97:10)

Guys.

D (97:10)

Oh, somewhere.

C (97:11)

Okay. What's your name on there?

D (97:13)

I don't know.

B (97:15)

Great.

C (97:15)

Plugs.

B (97:17)

Well, I mean, it's, it's an interesting thing because if anybody has anything to say, you know, what we'll do is like, we'll figure.

D (97:23)

I messaged you this morning.

B (97:25)

Exactly. So we'll do that on Twitter.

C (97:26)

You did.

D (97:27)

No, on. I deleted Twitter. I told you.

B (97:29)

Oh, that's right. Yeah. Because it's a hole. Yeah.

D (97:31)

I couldn't handle all the black men beating on white women and.

B (97:34)

Yeah.

D (97:34)

Different angles.

C (97:35)

Many such cases.

B (97:36)

Many such cases. Yeah. Guys. I mean, well, I'll just put it out there. If anybody has anything that's actually valuable, people, I could, I could always convey some messages or put you in touch with somebody. But yeah, a lot of the times the chat's smarter than we are. I know it's frustrating for them because we're sitting here doing the show and they're in the audience screaming about our lack of gnosis.

D (97:56)

I'd love to join them sometime.

B (97:58)

Yeah, dude, you got to get in there. I mean, it's a great community, but I don't know if it's. If it's the healthiest place to be until, you know, I mean, if you're grounded in Christ and it's just fine. Yeah, These people, everybody's just like swimming in their own gnosis soup. One foot with the Lord and then another foot with big black eagles.

C (98:14)

I love this. This is how the chat operates. They go, chad, is that true?

B (98:17)

Chad, is that true?

C (98:18)

Are we all crazy? Is that true chat?

B (98:19)

So I'll use it as a Google. Basically, when I'm doing the Raven, we.

C (98:22)

Also, we have a second story as well.

B (98:24)

Let's get into that. I want to get into after that.

D (98:26)

Actually. Let me finish that. Matika war party.

C (98:28)

Yeah.

B (98:28)

Oh, yeah.

D (98:29)

So they. Yeah, that bleeds into the experience. I had the only other time I was a Patreon member and. Right. That was with a channel called the Gnostic Takeover.

B (98:42)

That's right. Yeah.

D (98:43)

And they kind of came on the scene right when Covid kicked off and he was a 5G activist in Austria.

B (98:53)

So basically saying like, the towers are bad.

C (98:55)

And I remember actually in my hometown in Brooklyn when, When. When they shut everything down, no one was allowed to. Where I was allowed to work because I was a MTA guy. So I'm building the tracks. Essential.

D (99:06)

Yeah, me.

C (99:07)

And then like down the block on the main avenue on Garretson Road, the only other people that were out and working were people putting up 5G towers.

B (99:14)

So crazy how many of them went. I know, I'm going, great, that's a coincidence. They're essential.

C (99:18)

They're essential, dude. Really important something happened there and I don't know what.

D (99:23)

I don't know.

B (99:23)

I'm. You know what? I'm glad. I just want to say as a brief aside, I'm glad that the Lord made me. Me too stupid to understand beyond like where I got, you know, I got up to like a lot of these concepts and then I was just like. I would look at them and they were just too. Too many words to read. And I'd say, not for me. And then I'd pull away from it and I'd go someplace else. And, you know, never, never went down anything too far. I don't think any rabbit holes in that regard.

D (99:48)

So this was not the case with this guy.

B (99:50)

There you go.

D (99:51)

Yeah, so he was on. He was on some bigger shows. Like he was on Alpha Vedic. Do you know those guys?

B (99:55)

Guys? No. Alpha Vedic, you said?

C (99:58)

Is this a channel here? Oh, he doesn't do any video.

D (100:03)

Oh, no, that's. That. That was. Yeah, the Gnostic takeover. Yeah. So they, they haven't had anything about.

B (100:08)

A year, looks like since he died.

D (100:10)

No, I think someone. That's the. That's the guy there, Eric. But yeah, this. This guy here. And he had another guy with him and they. They had a strong testimony that they were giving around Covet that they were using ayahuasca, that Der Torah, which is like a derivative that gets added to ayahuasca to 10 exit. Right?

B (100:37)

Yeah.

D (100:38)

And it's not enough. Not enough. Right.

C (100:40)

10X the length or the experience. Experience.

D (100:42)

And it's like it brings people to. To death's door. Really. And he. It's ruled by a witch. Is. Oh, cool. Yeah, it's. Anyway, anyway, they're sharing, but they're coming back and Doing.

B (100:52)

Is that mother ayahuasca or is that like a different.

D (100:54)

It's more intense. Like, I. I don't know. I've never. I've never done it myself, so I'm really just speaking out of third party experience here. But.

C (101:02)

Right.

D (101:03)

I did witness them on live streams, like, right after these experiences. And they were. The things that was flowing from them in their live streams was like. You could cut it with a knife. It was just so rich in wisdom. It felt like it was just the way they were coming across.

B (101:17)

The gravy was flowing.

D (101:18)

It was a different kind of gravy. Yeah, yeah. And I followed these guys for even a number of years, and they're. And they're. They're out of sorts, though. Like, they were kind of like. They found this woman and they saved her from a house of Satanists. And they live streamed, like, right after it happened and they were talking about it and they did a ceremony in the house and all the pipes started to bang on the walls and people started, like, falling over and. And like writhing on the ground.

C (101:46)

Dude, we gotta watch this.

B (101:47)

What are we doing?

D (101:48)

It was. It was like spiritual warfare with. Without Christ. And this is a thing.

B (101:52)

Oh, yeah, of course that's a thing.

D (101:53)

It's a thing.

A (101:54)

Right.

D (101:54)

So they were fighting.

C (101:55)

Yeah.

D (101:56)

In this spiritual realm. And. Thanks. Thanks, Alberino. But yeah, they were fighting.

B (102:01)

It was, you know, it was local to the consciousness and it was a perception. Yeah.

C (102:07)

Stop it.

B (102:08)

Maybe a dreamscape is a better.

D (102:09)

Yeah, I'm not dissing that guy. He sounds really smart, but. Super smart, but yeah. Anyway, they were sharing these really intense experiences where I was kind of like.

C (102:17)

Like.

D (102:18)

And I hadn't found Christ yet. And I was like, whatever they're up to, they're winning in the spiritual. And I know this is spiritual because I know how dark it is. And they were making some momentum and they really wanted to bring it to the world. But I also watched him descend into madness. And eventually he becomes high on his own supply. And he. And the woman who he saves with her child. She had her child with her.

C (102:38)

Jeez.

D (102:38)

Their child. I'm watching on a live stream, the police break into their apartment and take the child. Child.

C (102:45)

Dog.

B (102:45)

What is happening?

D (102:46)

And they don't get the child back.

B (102:48)

How are you entertained by this show? Yeah, I know. Like, what are we talking about?

C (102:53)

He's been dead for a year. But this is much better.

B (102:55)

Like, getting police raids. We're in here with brown water. That's insane.

C (102:59)

I'm burying the lead here. But, yeah, Go ahead, go ahead.

D (103:02)

So I'm trying to summarize, like, watching this guy over the course of a number of years, but. And then he. It just kind of like. And I was even messaging a little bit. I've always been very passive. I've never actually engaged in the live chat so much. Or like, I'm not. This is my first time on a podcast. Like, I'm not. Yeah, I'm the guy that's been listening for like 15 years. Right, right.

C (103:21)

That's the thing. There's a lot of. And there's a lot of you out there.

D (103:25)

They're in that little chat box.

C (103:26)

No, they're not in that chat box.

B (103:27)

Listen. No, those people aren't passive at all. They're aggressive.

C (103:29)

There's about a hundred crazy people that, that are here all the time when we're doing it live. And we know the names and they interact.

B (103:35)

But.

C (103:35)

But then when we look at the numbers, there is a.

D (103:39)

Do you trust the numbers? Like, I don't trust anything that I see on the screen.

B (103:41)

I'll.

C (103:42)

So here's what I'll say. Easily a hundred thousand other people are definitely listening. That's just like. That's an extremely. That's probably 20 of. Of the. The numbers that they're giving us. I'll say that there's a probably like a hundred thousand people actually listening because I know that they can't fluff the numbers that badly. So if they are rumble, does it. It.

D (104:05)

What do I do with my hands?

C (104:09)

No, but I'm saying there's so many people that are just. They listen. And I used to do the same thing. People listen. I'd be like, man, that's so fascinating. And then I think about reaching outer. And then I just don't. I'm just like, I. I'd like to hear the next episode. And I. I would love to hear from these people. These people?

B (104:27)

Those people. What do you mean, these people?

A (104:28)

They.

C (104:28)

Them.

B (104:29)

No, we got a few they themselves. I mean, analytics say there's at least a few they.

C (104:33)

Thems. So many people like you who just passively listen all the time. And I'm like, I just wonder what they're thinking about, what's happening.

B (104:41)

Like a passive listener is seeing a eagle, man.

C (104:43)

Yeah, no, they are, though. That's why they're here listening.

B (104:46)

Yeah.

C (104:46)

Because they. You. You guys all share this. The same kind of experiences in some sort of way that attracts you to this. But they'll never communicate. And that's like, I guess it's a call out for you guys reach out, but don't visit and show up. Don't. Don't yell.

B (104:59)

Just don't stand outside the shop and yell.

D (105:01)

Yeah, don't try to touch them. I got in trouble.

B (105:05)

You can't see that because of the way the screens broke up, but there's actually a safety plexiglass between. He's in a box. So. So you said that, you know, you're watching, and a raid is a kind of a raid, right?

D (105:19)

And I saw the police in behind him, and the. And the screen was like, like. And then it froze. And then he was trying to. He was calling out for help. And, like, wow. I was at. I was like. I don't know. I was doing, like, a development project with a friend of mine, and I was, like, trying to interview people as tenants for his apartment. I love.

C (105:36)

I see how. See how fucking crazy that is. There's a guy.

B (105:38)

I got to be professional. There's.

C (105:40)

I know, but I'm saying he's making, like, business deals. There's a dude in New Jersey who's a dentist. Shout out to that dude.

B (105:45)

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

C (105:46)

My. My wife's uncle was like, I was at a Bible study, and they started talking about podcasts in the Christian realm. So I mentioned nds, and he's like. When I was. I was hanging out with him. He knows me as, like, a person. So I was telling him, like, this is what I do. And he brought it up, and someone's like, oh, yeah, yeah, I know. I know those guys. I love those guys. And he's like, this dude's a dentist.

B (106:04)

Like, this guy.

C (106:05)

Who are we talking to?

B (106:06)

This guy's listening to us in his headphones while he's. In a man's mouth.

D (106:09)

That's some Batman, right?

C (106:10)

In a man's Batman, right? Yeah.

B (106:12)

Listening to this conversation as a while.

C (106:14)

Reach out, people. We want to know about you. This is dangerous.

B (106:18)

Yeah. Be careful.

C (106:19)

I just opened up the box.

B (106:21)

But you said that this guy is descending into madness. More or less. What does that look like?

D (106:26)

Well, it looks like. Like they're touring around as a group, and the group slowly breaks apart, like she has her child taken. And their other guy. I don't want to say his name, because he's pretty. Pretty intense dude himself. I mean, if you do enough research, you'll find out who I'm talking about. But he's. He's a. He's a presence, and he ends up getting picked up by the police as well and taken back to his country, and so. And then he's on his own with this woman with no child. And they're. And he's very paranoid. Like, he's saying that everyone is like a controlled agent. And he's seen, like, gang stalking. He's seeing agents everywhere, and everything is Satanism. And they're watching you through this through the clouds. And like.

C (107:09)

Like.

D (107:09)

And the thing is, is, like, he's res. And he's a quite intelligent guy, and he's putting it across in such a way where you're like, probably right, but. But we just can't perceive it, like.

C (107:20)

Right.

D (107:20)

You know, I'm like, he's probably right.

C (107:22)

He's thin the veil too much.

D (107:23)

He's thin the veil and he's. You know. But at the same time, he can't exist anymore in this realm. And so.

B (107:31)

Interesting concept, dog. You're like. You get to know too much about how, like, you know, the sausage is made now. You can't exist in this realm the same way.

C (107:41)

Well, this is why. This is why we operate the show the way we do. Because, like, we're constantly touching that sausage, that bail.

B (107:47)

That. I gotta go.

C (107:52)

Just touching the sausage.

B (107:55)

And every time we're about to learn how it's made, we're like, no, no, no.

C (107:57)

But if you. If you don't approach it with, I guess, humility, but, like, realistically, it's. It's comedy. That's, like the crutch we lean on to. To look at these things.

B (108:05)

Yeah, you'll go crazy. Were these guys funny?

D (108:09)

No.

C (108:09)

You know, you can't be. If you get to that realm, that part, you can't be funny.

D (108:13)

No, they were without. Without comedy. Without Christ, too. Like, there was. There was actually an aversion. He actually studied John Lamblash. That's how I'm tying this together. And he was kind of a proponent for him. He studied a lot of David Ike stuff. He was a mathematician. So he's, like, actually smart. Not just, like, good at sounding good on a microphone. Yeah, yeah. So and so. He was a really impressive cat. He spoke a few languages, and I've prayed for him since. I hope that he found his way where he should go. Back to the father. I hope they'll get there, man.

C (108:57)

Yeah, now you have me interested. But this. This also might be a trap.

B (109:02)

Yeah, well, I mean, I'm like, I.

D (109:04)

Can'T trap it, bro.

C (109:05)

No, no, no, no, no.

D (109:07)

You're a top lobster.

B (109:09)

Yeah, I eat a lot of lobster.

D (109:10)

Where I'm from, man. By the way.

C (109:11)

How dare you?

D (109:12)

It's like a cultural Thing.

B (109:13)

They're just ocean bugs. They're ocean bugs. They are delicious.

D (109:16)

Oh, they're great.

C (109:17)

But yeah, it's.

D (109:17)

It. That.

C (109:18)

That's the box right now. Because, like, I'm having this idea, like, I kind of want to see what happened here, but I think this story is going to be the same.

B (109:27)

I don't know.

C (109:28)

I don't know.

D (109:29)

Same as what?

C (109:31)

Same story that we see played out all the time. It's just.

B (109:33)

Yeah, it's like people peek into the veil too much, they go mad. And then it's like, even though they go mad, you're kind of like, well, what the hell did they see?

C (109:42)

Yeah.

B (109:43)

You know, but I think if you're not grounded in Christ, it's just. It's an exercise in leaning on your own understanding. And this is something I've been talking about a lot on the show lately, where it's like, we're so limited. We're only here for such a short amount of time.

D (109:55)

I like saying we're spiritually outgunned.

B (109:57)

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I keep going back because I read a little bit of a thing and then I can't stop citing it over and over every episode. But the. The story of Job in the Bible, where, you know, towards the end of the. It. That book, God's asking him, you know, where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Like, what do you understand? What could you possibly understand? You, who are here for such a brief amount of time, who is limited in so many ways, unable to observe this phenomenon? You know, we only brush up against it, and it. The veil pops open and some greasy boogeyman pops out, and it entices us to go down there.

C (110:38)

This.

B (110:39)

You know, this. This gnosis hole. And I think that, you know, obviously it'll. It'll drive you mad. But what's almost worse than. Than losing your mind, I think, is. Is thinking you have it. Thinking you have it figured out. You know, so it's like.

D (110:56)

And there's that arrogance again.

B (110:57)

There's that arrogance again. Yeah. Look at me and my infinite wisdom. I don't know. I mean, I've been talking about it a lot. It is the slippery slope of even conspiracy theories, because there is a pride and arrogance that comes with being like, you know, I want to pat myself on the back because I. I stepped the right way in 2020 because I saw this thing coming and I didn't do that. And while everybody did the wrong thing, I did the right thing. Therefore, you know, good on me. Maybe you should listen to me, I'm like, you know how I'm so guilty.

D (111:27)

Of taking that tact?

B (111:29)

It's hard, man. It's hard not to because it's like.

D (111:31)

Because, like, if you're going to tell them, if you're wearing a mask at all.

B (111:34)

Yeah.

D (111:35)

I really don't even want to listen to you. Like, I'm as. I'm trying to be a good Christian and pray for you, but I really. Your opinions and like, what you're. They don't matter.

B (111:46)

Yeah.

C (111:46)

Yeah.

D (111:46)

I can't pretend they matter.

B (111:48)

I can't.

D (111:48)

I got to be authentic and a discerning father, and I don't even want you around my kids.

C (111:52)

Well, your time is. My time's limited. So, like, you're telling me right there that a lot of what you're saying, it is not qualified.

B (111:58)

Yeah.

C (111:59)

So I kind of have to protect my. It's a stereotype.

B (112:01)

Right.

C (112:02)

You know, you got across the street at certain times.

B (112:04)

Well, that's the thing, though.

C (112:05)

We.

B (112:05)

We do that, we fall into that trap.

D (112:07)

And that is a trap.

B (112:08)

It is.

D (112:08)

Because, I mean, we made. And you know, and I'm all for the racial slurs and stuff. Like, I have a lot of fun. Good friend of mine said, I don't care what race you are as long as you're racist. That's right. Yeah.

B (112:21)

As long as you're a high level pattern recognizer.

D (112:23)

I want to give a quick show because, like, I might drop racial slurs on the show now or something, some point in the future, but it really is low on the totem pole. Like, it's. It's kind of in line with that evolutionary mammalian thinking where it's like, yeah, us versus them. And they do this all the time. And it's like. Yeah, but I'm honest. Like, two of the most impressive women I've met in my life are black women with half white kids. Like, that's a real wild dichotomy for me. Who wants to be like a white Christian conservative kind of bro.

B (112:50)

You can see it's. It's attempting.

D (112:52)

Yeah. But I'm so impressed by these two women, one of them being in Florida.

C (112:55)

Fact.

B (112:56)

Oh, okay.

D (112:56)

Yeah. And I hope to meet her and her brilliant, successful Christian family here.

C (113:01)

Yeah. You know, so on the flip side of that, if you ignore the stereotype.

D (113:04)

You can get yourself in a lot of trouble.

C (113:06)

Yeah, it's. You. Damned if you. I mean, listen, one of the. One of the best contributors to this show is Ed Mabry.

B (113:13)

Oh, yeah.

C (113:13)

You know, it's.

B (113:14)

Yeah.

C (113:14)

So as Much as, like, we joke and we talk about is like, the truth of the matter is like, yeah, if you're. If you're operating in that way where you actually believe it, it, like, we air the episode with Jonathan Shelley today where I'm like, I think this guy actually believes it, which is kind of like. It's entertaining for me. Like. Like, when he's talking about, like, gay people. Gay people, things like, let's not get this. I don't want to do too much editing on this episode, but it's like. Or like. Like, what we should do to them. I was like, yeah, verbally. This is, like, provocative and fun. But I'm looking at him, I'm kind of like, oh, you believe in. I'm like, oh, this is fascinating to me. Like, you actually do believe this. Like, as. I don't necessarily believe it. I think it's. It's fun, and I think it's a good way to like, open up conversation and really, like, break the ice. Break the ice. Also, it's a good way to push people out. Like, if people. If your. Your mindset is already, like. We can't say certain words like, perfect, perfect. Go over there. Yeah, we're having, like, you know.

D (114:06)

Very good point. It thins the curve.

B (114:07)

But I've said it before.

C (114:08)

Conversation.

B (114:09)

You know, if you. If. If you gave me a choice where it was like, you know, if God came to me and he was like, all right, right, I gotta make, like 10,000 people, but I can only make one of each kind. It could be 10,000 more people like you, meaning myself, or 10,000 more people like Ed Mabry. Oh, yeah, I'm say Ed Mabry every time. I'm gonna say, make 10,000 more Ed Mabry's every time.

C (114:30)

So there's not enough hot dogs for.

B (114:33)

The hot dog supply. All right, so. So I don't know. Do you have anything else to say on this. On this sort of gnostic journey, or do you want to get into these other stories?

D (114:42)

Stories? I mean, we can pin it for now.

B (114:44)

Let's pin it for now, because I have a feeling it's going to come back up. And you said something interesting to me out in the shop when I asked you if. If there was any sort of, like, anything that you would label as generational, and that seemed to resonate with you.

D (114:57)

Yeah.

B (114:57)

So before we even get to all that stuff, let's talk about this. This other story with the farmhouse.

D (115:04)

So, okay, we'll do the farmhouse, but I'll give the context from the generation okay, great. Yeah. Okay. So it's not directly related, but it's not unrelated, I don't think.

B (115:12)

Okay.

D (115:13)

Might not be. It's hard to say.

C (115:14)

That's fair.

D (115:16)

So we're. I'm only second generation Canadian. My heredity would go all the way to Norway at one point and. But from Norway to England and nautical people. So people of the sea. And my, My grandfather was a diver in the. The Royal Navy. Okay. During the war. And so he came over here and here being Nova Scotia, brought his family and became a man of the cloth. But also a man of high regard. I think he was a colonel in the Navy and he became head of the diving in all of Eastern Canada. Canada. So, yeah. So he's like the guy.

B (116:04)

Dude's hustling.

D (116:05)

Yeah. So he's like the guy. And. And he acted like the guy. Like when you hear about the patriarchy. And this is like he was the patriarchy, the good, the bad and every bit.

B (116:16)

So look at me, I am the patriarchy now.

D (116:18)

Like, he had never. He was always served and he wouldn't expect any different. He'd be sitting at a restaurant and if they. If he wasn't satisfied with the service in the first 10 minutes, they'd already have the bread and wine note. He'd just get up and leave. Like, he was just like, that's great. Yeah, he was. And he was feared and revered. Like, beat the crap out of my dad. They had to make their bed and stand at attention in the morning. Like, ran it like a. Like scared the crap out of him.

B (116:44)

I want my kid to hear this part of the.

D (116:47)

But anyway, he was obviously quite a bit older and a lot. Some of the wind had got out of. Gone out of him by the time. He was a real, real influence in my life. But I, I think that him getting that high ranked and he also got. And here's the other thing. I don't know all the details on this. It's one of those threads I haven't pulled out. But there's, you know how at Area 51 or whatever they got like a little cheap shop that like you can buy like fake. Yeah, we got one of those. I believe it's called Shad Bay, but it's a bay in Nova Scotia where there was a down craft.

B (117:23)

Oh, okay. So it's like an alien themed. Yeah, yeah, I passed that on my way to Vegas.

D (117:28)

Yeah, like that. So they have that. And he was the head of that.

B (117:34)

Oh, oh, really?

D (117:35)

He had to go and dive for the craft. Oh, like. Or Be part of that team, really? To pull it out.

B (117:41)

Yeah. So hold on a second. This is the craziest in the world because I'm like, dude, generational things. He's like, well, my grandfather, they retrieved.

C (117:48)

A Shag Harbor UFO incident.

D (117:51)

That's it. Shag.

B (117:52)

That's a little bit. That's not unrelated, as you said.

D (117:58)

I don't think it's hard for me. You know, I'm too much of a conspiracy. There's think things aren't related.

B (118:02)

Well, look, I, you know, just like I said to Tiffany, the social media manager, that is a pattern that is consistent throughout experience or testimony. Whether it's. It's abductee testimony or just any sort of supernatural, you know, thing, it rarely happens in a vacuum. And when you get to asking people, they go, well, yeah, a few other things happen too. And you go, well, what about like your parents or grandparents? Well, yeah, it turns out they've had some strange experiences too. So it's, I would say, unlikely that you're going to ask somebody about their strange experience and they're going to be like nothing ever happened before and nothing ever happened again since. It's like, no, there's something weird. And it also goes back to like, parents and grandparents.

D (118:45)

I wonder if it's weird for everyone and it's just kept in the closet.

B (118:49)

I don't know. There are. There are times when I've talked to people and you could see just the look on their face. Like. Like Tiffany, for example. She'll maintain that nothing has ever happened to her. So the question I guess becomes, has a thing happened to you but you shelved it to such a degree that you have no ability to recall it?

C (119:05)

Yeah.

B (119:06)

Or is it just that some people can move through this life unharmed and never have? I mean, you know, the Bible talks about generational iniquity. I think there's some. Some real anecdotal evidence to that claim. My. My grandmother who was abducted, her father was in the military now he served. You know, I guess it would have been. I don't know if it was World War II or whatever the hell, but usually there's like a military presence and, you know, so. So there's military, but I don't know. Show me a family in America who doesn't have military. It's hard to say if it's just anecdotal or correlation doesn't always equal causation type of deal, but it is consistent. It does pop up to the extent that I'm willing to entertain it when. When dealing with the intangible phenomenon, you know, which.

C (119:56)

Well, we do have. I don't want to actually blow. I'm not going to say the person's name, but somebody that I do know that we talk to often. You know him too, but you don't know the story. His family was involved in the first Operation Paperclip. Apparently there were two. The first Operation Paperclip was. I guess people were relocated to New York to a base in New York that now today is like kind of riddled with witchcraft. And the dude is. His family was super smart. This dude is very smart. Like an IQ that I don't even know if they can measure it, but probably in the 2002. And from the little bits and pieces that he's told me, like the things that his family is working on and the things that he was working on. Yeah. It's all like weird government related stuff.

B (120:46)

It's.

C (120:46)

It can get. He can't even come on the show. It's just somebody that I talked to that I find very interesting. But I don't want him to come on the show because I feel like.

B (120:54)

Yeah, it's too close to you. Yeah, it's not a good move.

C (120:58)

But yeah. This stuff is generational.

D (121:01)

Yeah.

C (121:01)

And it kind of goes down the line and we're looking at. When I talk to him, it's very clear that I'm looking at somebody who is like close to it.

D (121:10)

Yeah.

C (121:10)

But yeah, yeah, yeah.

D (121:12)

I'd like to. I pray that I'm far enough removed where I can share these. Disclose some of these things because like it's felt pretty intimate before.

B (121:20)

Personal.

D (121:20)

Yeah. That. I mean my grandfather even, he was one of the first people to touch down after the bomb was dropped in Hiroshima.

C (121:29)

Wow.

D (121:29)

And he writes about it in his memoirs. He was been interviewed and must be the nightmare. They stole a jeep from the Americans and they. And they bombed around and there was like. They saw some terrible things. Of course. And I mean he was. It's interesting because I'm still, I'm still critical to the fact of like he's. He's a believer that the bomb fell. But again he has no distinct. I mean, I'm here. Would he not have be fully irradiated? I mean, that's followed. Right. That's a great show.

B (121:58)

Yeah. That's soon after the, the thing drops and you're cruising around and he's cruising.

D (122:03)

Around in the jeep like. And so that story doesn't really add up. Which is. I mean his story, his testimony makes sense. I believe that to be True.

B (122:11)

But the radiation thing like that.

C (122:14)

I think that's the big lie about the nuclear stuff. Like the, the full obvious.

D (122:18)

Yeah, but what else are they lying about?

C (122:20)

I don't know. But we know that they got big ass bombs.

D (122:23)

Certainly do.

C (122:23)

Yeah.

B (122:23)

I'm much more comfortable calling big ass bombs than I am.

C (122:26)

Yeah.

B (122:27)

Nuclear or whatever.

D (122:28)

Probably more accurate.

C (122:29)

Yeah.

B (122:30)

Just a huge bomb doesn't minimize like the destructive capabilities of the damn thing. But it's like is it an inhabitable hellscape for thousands of years while the wildlife would beg to disagree.

C (122:41)

Yeah.

B (122:42)

So I, So he's. He's on the ground after Hiroshima.

D (122:47)

Yeah.

B (122:47)

He's pulling up UFOs out of the water.

D (122:50)

Yeah. And he's. There's stuff that's more personal too, but it's not unlike what you'd hear in circles. Yeah. And so that's your grandfather. Yeah. And this is more recently come to light. And so it makes me. I had not even unpacked this myself. There's a lot of compartments, a lot of threads in my life I just haven't pulled. Yeah. This would be one of them. But nonetheless I, I think that it's, it's not unrelated to some of these experiences I've had.

B (123:26)

I think it, it makes a lot of sense, you know, just through that lens that, that I've become comfortable looking at things through which is generational iniquity. It's just funny how many things the Bible can address. But in that same way like when you're a conspiracy theorist or you're into this gnosis and if anybody doesn't quite know what you know, then you're not really having it. You can't hear it from them. When the church in its modern day visage, which is kind of like nerfed and innocent and almost naive. Right. Is some ways that you could describe the church or at least if you're looking at it from the outside you might say, yeah, you would caricaturize it and turn it into a little cartoon character. And it's innocent and it's naive. And how are you going to tell me what the answer is when you don't even understand about Operation Paperclip? You know what I mean? Like that kind of crap. Then you start looking into the Bible and it's like, no, it has a pretty good handle on these things. The church man's inability to articulate it or propagate the information in a way that prepares the, the herd isn't the fault of the information itself. Because I, I truly do find general Generational iniquity to be a great descriptive of what's happening here. It's like our grandparents, somebody in the, in the lineage dabbled in something. They got too close to something. They sought the wrong answers. You know, my grandmother sought the new age. And then you just see the ramifications all down the line.

D (124:51)

And that would actually tie in quite organically because he was, he was very poor. My grandfather, when he grew up, he couldn't eat eggs in his adult life because that's all he did eat.

C (125:02)

Oh wow.

B (125:03)

That is a gross out by a chicken farm.

D (125:05)

Yeah, but they were from a poor ass part of England. And like, yeah, he had, he had an even. He had a real rough growing up, very, very poor. And then he went from that to like the boss of everybody around him. Like he was giving orders constantly to his staff, to his family. And it's strange, you know, it's something else to consider here, is that he being a brutal man. He was, he held my family together. Like we went there with bells on and dishes for like throughout my. All my childhood. And like it was uncomfortable. It was like typical English, like little bit ruling class uncomfortable. Not over the top. Like we weren't like ultra prestigious in the sense of like financial wealth.

B (125:50)

It's like stuffy.

D (125:51)

It's definitely stuffy. And definitely there was a thread of fear that held it together in a weird way.

B (126:00)

And that was the. The expectations of your grandfather was where that came from.

D (126:04)

Yeah, a little bit. I mean, it was a little bit like the kids, the sons are now taking digs at him and like, you know, he's kind of like going by the wayside. But, you know, ever since he has passed, there's been no big family get togethers. Like they were. Right. Like he was.

B (126:22)

That sucks.

D (126:23)

He was the glue.

C (126:24)

Yep.

B (126:25)

He wasn't having it any other way.

D (126:27)

I don't know what it was, man. It was just like, like then he was revered and feared and hated. But.

B (126:33)

But he did the job.

D (126:34)

But he did the job, man. Like he, he did. He was a boss and like he held it down in his own way.

C (126:40)

There's a lesson in that, right? Kind of.

A (126:42)

Yeah.

C (126:43)

You don't have to be your friend, but if that's his job to hold that family together come hell or high water, then that is what it is. You have to look at me however you're gonna look at me, but he's got something to do. Same thing with my family. You know, the matriarch dies, everybody goes their separate way because everybody knows better.

D (127:00)

Oh, matriarch though, right?

C (127:02)

Yeah, yeah. Because my grandfather was a piece of kind of. So yeah, the grand. My, my grandmother on both sides held it down and then his, his wife.

D (127:11)

Is now too to some degree. Right? It's, it's nothing like it was in his former glory. But like we still.

B (127:16)

Yeah, but yeah, it seems like that generation, you know, grandparents for a lot of people were like the last ones holding on because right after that, like the value of, of a tight knit family for, for a lot of people, Gen X millennials, like it all kind of falls away.

D (127:35)

And that's so unfortunate, man. Like, yeah, there's a lack of cousins out there in my life for my children and there's just a lack of good and inclusive family units to connect with.

B (127:48)

With.

D (127:49)

But honestly, that's why I make the trip down here because I know I'm going to be rubbing shoulders with good Christian folks. Like minded people. Like that is invaluable. And where I'm from, it's, they're out there. We just found an enclave of them at our church. Like, thank God. But it's, it's, it's a pretty. We're the most compliant place in North America, I'm sure.

C (128:13)

Yeah.

D (128:14)

Oh, tons of boomers. Super left. Very compliant. Yeah, very. All those, all those stereotypes.

B (128:21)

So yeah, yeah, it's, it's a bummer. You know, I got, I got a kid and, and I know both you guys have kids and I kind of look at it like, like you're, I noticed your family is really like tight knit and like I, I've made an effort to kind of revive that a bit because it like fell away and I'm looking at my kid and I'm like, dude, I don't know what. Because I, I remember growing up and having aunts and uncles and grandparents around and you know, for a point in my childhood, and then it all stopped. And I think like, what I'm learning is kind of like your story. Without that there's, there's your identity within Christ, but there is also like this other. Like, what did I come from? Yeah, like who are these people that even though I'm not aware of it, informed who I became game. Because there is like genetic memory, right? All this is passed down, these traits. It's like, where do I get all this from?

D (129:17)

And knowing that. And in fact that's why they're trying to depart us and get us into this big. The she, the them. Jellyfish. Fish.

B (129:25)

Yeah.

D (129:25)

Blob of like, we're all one. No, we're not all one.

B (129:29)

Very unique.

D (129:30)

We're very unique. And if you are familiar with what makes you unique, like, I'm not even. And I know a bit about my family lineage enough to go back a few generations. And it set me apart from, like, it made me almost like a black sheep because I gave a shit about that. Like, I wasn't doing the typical, like, joining the hockey team, drinking Tim Hortons and smoking cigarettes. It is.

B (129:50)

Yeah.

D (129:50)

Like, I was. I was more, like, interested in, like, history and like, okay, where did I come from? And like, what does this shit mean? And who am I?

B (129:56)

And.

D (129:56)

And you just weren't the normie crowd. So speak just wasn't. That wasn't their interest or the topic.

C (130:03)

Yeah, talking to the old. Talking to old people. That's what I like. I like, do like to do that.

B (130:07)

They give you something, right? They. Not the old people, but you. You have a culture that comes from your. Your family lineage. And then you have the. The culture at scale that is manufactured and given to you by media, by trends and things like that. And that one is appealing because it allows you to bridge the gap between you and your neighbor and your friends at school and everything. So you can leave that family culture, tradition and values and everything, and you could assimilate into this new thing that is ever changing with each generation that is pumped out by the media.

D (130:37)

Well, it's controlled by the enemy. It's the secular.

B (130:39)

Yeah, yeah. It's the world.

D (130:41)

It's the world. And the days are evil. I mean, it says it right in the good book.

B (130:46)

Yes.

D (130:46)

And. But we are called to be grafted into the. Into the body.

B (130:51)

Yeah.

D (130:52)

We're grafted into this tree. And it's so crazy because as I'm going through the Bible and I showed you a picture last night of the action Bible, which is like the.

B (130:59)

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

D (131:00)

You guys know that.

B (131:01)

Yeah.

D (131:01)

Cool. So I'm reading that through a second time with my daughter now.

C (131:04)

Yeah, yeah, I have that.

D (131:05)

But I mean, by being grafted into this. This family, it's like, it makes it. Not only does it add social cohesion, but it gives you a sense of history where it's like, I've been adopted into God's family and that. And I'm still not wrestling with that, but still contemplating this philosophical ramifications of that. Yeah.

B (131:27)

What does it mean? An endless amount of things.

D (131:29)

How empowering is that? Well, to know that you're taken care of and you have a lineage and the enemy is trying to tell you, you know, you don't have a lineage. In fact, you don't even know if you're a boy or girl.

B (131:39)

Yeah, yeah.

C (131:40)

And I think, in a way, we'll pat ourselves on the back, but this is what Matt was trying to achieve with this coffee shop. So. So that Christian library back there, it's for Bible studies and things like that, for people to, I don't know, talk. Talk with each other about God. But the name of the standard. The name, the standard that you have on your chest there is not because, like. Like, oh, this is the standard of coffee. That's what I assumed. Right. Like, here's the standard. This is like the benchmark. He said, no, the standard is a. Is a person. He's like the flag bearer, and he lets the troops know where to regroup at. At. So that's why this place is called the Standard, and that's what that place is back here. But at large, just in general. And here you are. This is. It's basically like. This is the calling card of, like, oh, you're lost. Well, we're. We are in a war, but we're going to regroup over here and we're going to do.

B (132:31)

Yeah. And.

D (132:31)

Amazing.

C (132:32)

Yeah, exactly. So what you just described is the mission of this place, of what Matt has been trying to do. And, you know, I mean, again, like I said, said, the Bible studies are great. I think even the podcast is great. Not necessarily exactly what he's trying to do, but what he's trying to do is bring people through that door to regroup.

B (132:49)

Yeah. That's interesting.

C (132:49)

What are we doing here?

B (132:50)

You know, it's our base in there, for sure.

D (132:52)

Yeah.

B (132:53)

It's like our base in a war. You know, you're on. You're on enemy grounds. But we do have a spot set up.

D (132:58)

Yeah.

B (132:58)

If you're nearby. Come. Come in.

C (133:01)

There's grass on the wall. Come in.

B (133:02)

Yeah, that's interesting.

C (133:05)

So, I mean.

B (133:06)

Yeah. As far as generational iniquity, you know, I know you said there's some things that you're not going to go into, but it sounds. You've laid enough of an argument for me, at least. That kind of confirms my bias. The reason you're experiencing these things is probably because somewhere along the line something has, you know, maybe given access, contracts. This man made agreements, any number of things.

D (133:29)

You know, his life changed a lot, like, and impacted his family for generations. And in fact, on my mother's side, I mean, do you guys want to hear about that? Like, that's.

B (133:38)

Yeah, dude.

D (133:39)

It's not Necessarily paranormal or nds, but I mean that's even crazier on my. And I just come to find this out more recently because I have a cousin in Ontario who gave me like a family history and they're Heinz, which is a.

B (133:54)

They were German Catch up people.

D (133:57)

Similar spelling's different.

B (133:58)

Oh, damn it.

D (133:59)

Yeah, but they're. They came from Germany and they actually came to the States first, I think down around Maine. And then they made their. And then the pioneering ones or whatever his name was Soldier Ben. And this would have been my great grandfather of seven generations ago. He went up to New harbor in Nova Scotia. And this is like when there's nothing.

B (134:23)

Yeah.

D (134:23)

Like nothing. Nothing. And they had. They had their boat and they had another boat with their timbers and their supplies to build their. Their. Their encampment and their town. And that ship sunk.

C (134:36)

Oh shit.

D (134:37)

And so they land it. And some of his early memoirs and we have them is like being raided by Indians and women just offering themselves.

B (134:50)

Yeah.

D (134:51)

Because they're so vulnerable. Like, they're just like, take me, take me, take me, take me. Like. Right, right, right. And like I was reading through some of this and he was actually pretty wild, like chopping up Indians. Like he was like. Yeah, a mercenary. Like he was there to. They were fighting and he was in the fight. And this is so funny. I've never. I don't share this.

C (135:15)

The hell happened to Canadians.

D (135:17)

Right, right. Like, it's not our. Our history is not entirely different in a lot of regards.

B (135:22)

No, it's.

D (135:22)

Yeah, it's very similar.

B (135:23)

Same damn continent, same struggle. Yeah. It's a.

D (135:26)

It's a pioneering place and he was one of the first pioneers there. And so he. He went on to. To be beef with these Indians for many years and actually ended up. And it's written that we have a general generational curse.

B (135:41)

No.

D (135:42)

Yeah. As a result for. From the Indians for seven generations.

C (135:45)

Oh yeah.

B (135:47)

Seven generations, you say?

D (135:48)

Yeah, yeah. This is what her. And then. And it's interesting because like my family would have success and then failure. Success and then failure. Like they were. They owned a bunch of land and were like fire chiefs and mayors and different things in my city. And then they would all be Go away or they would become alcoholics. But it was very tragic.

C (136:09)

Yeah.

D (136:09)

But it would be like a rise in the fall and like. But it was. It wasn't a consistent. Like. Like there was no harmony.

C (136:16)

Right.

D (136:17)

And so. And that follows true. I've lost two uncles to suicide as well.

B (136:23)

I also lost an uncle from that specific side to suicide.

D (136:28)

Yeah.

C (136:30)

So, man. So they're thinking that Indians put the curse on your family.

B (136:34)

Well, how did they say how he determined that?

D (136:37)

You know, this is another one of those things, dude, where it's. It's a thread. It's a thread where, like, I read through it once, like, five years ago, like, around Covet. I connected with her because she's on the same page and stuff, and I kind of read through it and I was really kind of, like, I printed it all off and I kept it and I. And I. But it was like, almost too much, like, to me, it was like, because I. Again, I struggle with the arrogance and the vanity thing. I don't know if that was it or, like, I just didn't feel. I know that by taking all that on, it would. It would just be a lot to take on. And I was already dealing with, like, I was a guy that never wore a mask.

B (137:16)

Right. So you're already in a battle.

D (137:18)

Everyone wore a mask.

B (137:19)

Yeah. You're in a battle already. It's another thing to take another one.

D (137:22)

Day with every cashier. Yeah. And everyone.

C (137:25)

Yeah.

D (137:25)

For a long time. Yeah. And the thing is, is, like, even to this day, it'd be nice to be like, oh, you know what, man? I should have just gone along to get along. And. And it could have. No, man. If men decided to do that collectively as a majority or even. Oh, yeah, a strong minority, it would shut the whole thing down. That's where they're going after the young men. Right. Because we'll. That's. That's who's going to make the difference in the fight, because they're the only people that are going to fight. Really?

C (137:51)

Yeah.

D (137:53)

So. But yeah.

B (137:56)

Do you ever. Do you have those papers still, you know, you printed out?

D (138:00)

Yeah.

B (138:01)

You know, I just want to say that even in the scale of that fight, it's just seven, generational curse and everything. Remember that lady we had in here, the sort of mystic from Puerto Rico, and she was talking about generational curses, and she goes, like, it's true, there is generational curses, but it's not true that they affect you. You or something like that. And there was a language barrier, and I'm going, where's she going with this? You know what I mean? Like, it. They definitely affect you, but I'm. I'm letting her go. I'm letting her go. And then she's just like, she's a clairvoyant. And it's. You know, you hear that and you're like, what the. What are you talking about? But you're. I'm trying to figure out where this lady. I've never talked to her before. She grounded in Christ. Like, I do believe we. We can receive spiritual gifts, you know, for somebody.

C (138:49)

We should just start recording everything that happens in here.

B (138:51)

It's a crazy place.

C (138:52)

Yeah. Like, this lady, before we even did the studio, her daughter interviewed me. She was wearing a Zorro mask, and she had no idea who I was. And I gave her, like. She's like, I just want to try to do content. Like she's gonna try to do content. So I gave her some crazy.

B (139:05)

Yeah.

C (139:05)

And she never aired it, of course, but then they came back in.

A (139:08)

Yeah.

C (139:08)

And then we had this. The shop. So, like. Yeah, it's like, just random. She's standing right there talking to us, and we're like, whoa.

B (139:13)

Well, we don't know this lady at all. You know, when she's saying she's clairvoyant or she's psychic or whatever, and she. She's. She's from Puerto Rico, you know, first generation here. So I'm getting lost a little bit in, you know, kind of the broken English, and I'm letting her cook, and all of a sudden she goes like, yeah, you don't have to suffer it because Jesus Christ has paid that debt. And I was like, boom, there we go. When she starts going off, she's like, you can break that. You're screwed. Effectively, I'm paraphrasing, You're screwed for seven generations until you call on Christ, accept him as your Lord and savior, and. And ask him to break these binds, these agreements, these contracts, these curses. The debt's been paid.

C (139:56)

She was saying something like, it's already broken, like. Like that's how. Like, she's kind of was phrasing like, it's already. It's already broken. You just have to, like.

B (140:04)

You just have to, like, call it that. Yeah, call it out.

C (140:07)

It's kind of fascinating, right?

D (140:09)

Yeah. That had me.

C (140:10)

Me.

B (140:11)

That had me there, dude. I'm telling you, though, like, it's the thing. I. So Laura Baker, awesome friend of the show, helped me with some deliverance stuff, really set up the training wheel so that I kind of understood. Like, okay, what am I asking for? What am I saying? Like, how do I frame this? How do I talk to God on these matters?

D (140:27)

And do you mind me asking, how was your deliverance? Like, or did. Did you.

B (140:31)

It was great. It was so. So she. She stayed on. On the line after a show one day, and. And. And top left, a Room to go do something. And she was like, do you want to do it now? And I was like, yeah.

C (140:40)

She had all those demons in my spare room.

B (140:42)

Now they're. Now they're in your office, you know. But it was like, it just. It was. It was really simple, was like, repentance and. And then just asking. But it's like, if you don't know how. How do I even go about doing this thing? You know what I mean? Like. Like, even I wasn't raised Christian, so for a while, talking to God was like, how do I do this? Is this a formal good day, sir, Lord, Are you there? Like, you know what I mean? I don't know what I'm doing. And eventually I realized, like, it's just about talking earnestly, like, like trying to shed all that other crap that's blocking, you know, like the.

C (141:17)

The.

B (141:17)

The doubt and the weirdness of talking to somebody who's not. You can't see with your physical eyes and just being. Being earnest. And so, yeah, eventually I just got to this point where it's like, like, you know, I'll check in every once in a while. It's like, I don't know what agreements I've made, anything that I've come into agreement, anything I've spoken over myself knowing or unknowing and, And. And anything that's happened in the past, anything that my. My grandparents or any of my ancestors were involved in that gave something access to me, you know, to. To break that in the. In the name of Jesus Christ. And I don't know, it's. As somebody that, like, I felt multiple times in my life. Life pretty close to what you might call, like, the veil, like, seeing things and having experiences. I feel like I've done a lot of work and I've checked a lot of boxes and I've. I've asked and I've given a lot of things to God over the last year that, like that. That thing. It seems like that veil is pretty damn strong. Like, I don't have these experiences anymore.

D (142:17)

I hope so, because you guys are definitely bringing people into this roof that, you know, if you weren't protected.

B (142:22)

That's why I don't have that, because I've seen. I don't have that fear associated with it. I've seen it a lot. I've seen a lot of weird. I know that there's, like, so much that it can do. It can ruin your life. It can whisper and it can nudge, and it can influence you to spiral around the drain and Just ruin everything that's around you. But that's really the nature of what it does. And, and so I don't know, knowing eventually that I was like, grounded in Christ and I was on the right side of the, the fight even before I had really shut all the doors. And who knows, maybe there's still doors open and I'm still working and at any moment I could slip up in some stupid ass way. But, but repentance and forgiveness is always there and the debt has always been paid. So I can always go back to a good and faithful God who forgives and who, you know, paves the way for you and who prepares the way for you. Right. Goes ahead of you and prepares the way for you. So I, I don't have, like any fear when it comes to this show, and maybe that's kind of foolish, but, yeah, whoever comes in this door, like, you're not going to come in this door with something that's greater than my God. So it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter what, what you have. And, and, and also I've seen a lot of it. So, you know, is it like, unsettling? Is it scary? Is it, is it kind of worrisome, like.

D (143:32)

Yeah, I don't know, man. You bring Nathan Reynolds in here, I'll beat his ass.

B (143:37)

I've said this on the show before and I will do that.

D (143:39)

I think you're getting fixated on the wrong thing with him.

B (143:41)

He's got, he's got some really interesting stuff. He does.

C (143:43)

I just, he does not believe him at all.

B (143:45)

I just don't. Well, it's not that I don't believe the stories. The stories line up in such a way where it's like he's talking about something. I just don't know that you cut a man's head off and do it at the feet of a pastor in Our lady of the Lake in Arizona. Like that.

C (143:55)

And then say it on the podcast.

B (143:56)

And then say it in a podcast.

C (143:58)

Yeah, I'm just like, where's the investigation?

B (143:59)

But that doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. My, my thing is just you're not going to bring anything in here that's going to be unlike anything that seen before or anything that I'm familiar with through other people's stories. And you're certainly not going to bring anything in here that's greater than my God. So I'm not worried about any of that. But yeah, man, the simplicity of it, it's like, yeah, it is complex. Right. Seven generations that's a very specific number. You know what I mean? Like, that's what the Bible says. And. And it's already been paid for. Like it's there yet. Like, that curse is real, but it's already been paid for. And I. And it's. It's just a matter of, like, working through it and getting to this place where you're earnestly and honestly asking for these things to be broken and repenting of the things that you've done and all this. But, man, that's crazy. You got blapped up on both sides of the. Of the family then.

D (144:49)

Yeah, pretty blapped up.

B (144:51)

Pretty blapped up.

D (144:52)

That's why I was pretty stoked to find Christ, because I was like, not only was I inherited these things, but also black pillow myself. Like a mother effort, right? Like going down all the rabbit holes and without any real vestige of, like, a counterbalance. Honestly, I got sucked into the. The Trump narrative too.

B (145:10)

Oh, hell yeah, dude. With like, QAnon, too.

D (145:13)

And you know what? Every time I went on some kind of a video or a forum or something, there was always a bunch of people calling it out. It's a psyop. It's this is that. And I'm like, okay. And I would, like, exit it, and I. I check it out later, and then people would still be chirping. And then I check out and I go back in, and just one time there was. People weren't chirping, and I listened to it for like, a good hour, and I was like, okay, I'm in.

C (145:32)

Yeah. Yeah. That's how it happens.

B (145:34)

That's how it goes. I. I get it, man. It's. It's a. It's a manipulation of a good thing. And that good thing is hope. And. But, like, it's a vulnerability because it's hope. In what? Hope. Hope and. And joy in our Lord or hope in the world. Hope in a man that is just a human.

D (145:53)

That is just a man.

B (145:54)

And it's like, you know, it's a. It's a really positive faculty of. Of human nature, hope. But when it's misplaced, it's leveraged against us. And then it just happens time and time and time again.

D (146:06)

And I just didn't want to believe it. Like, I.

B (146:08)

Sorry.

D (146:08)

I didn't want to believe that it wasn't true. Like, eventually when you taught you buy in, I fell into those psychological traps too, where I was like, oh, this got to be right. Please. I'm banking on it, dude.

B (146:17)

It's better.

C (146:17)

It better be Right.

D (146:18)

It better be right.

B (146:19)

How dope would it be if it was right?

D (146:20)

How dope?

C (146:20)

Yeah, yeah. A fallen world is like, well, he.

B (146:25)

Shows up, he goes, there's only two genders. Yeah, there's only two genders.

C (146:30)

All right, listen, I want to. I want to get this other story on the.

B (146:32)

Right, yeah, yeah, let's get the other story.

C (146:34)

So the farmhouse, we're running. We're running late in the show here.

B (146:37)

Yeah.

D (146:37)

You know what we could do? I mean, this is your guys show.

B (146:40)

I mean, no, it's your show.

D (146:41)

Whatever you want to do, but that one has some nuance to it. It. We could do that another time.

C (146:49)

How long are you gonna be here?

D (146:50)

I'm here till next Thursday. But I mean. Yeah, you know what? It is nice coming into the studio, I gotta tell you, because, like, he's.

C (146:58)

Like, I just really like this place.

B (146:59)

Let's do it again.

D (147:00)

I do.

B (147:00)

It's.

D (147:01)

It's a drive. Takes me an hour and a half to get here, but does it really?

C (147:03)

Yeah, yeah, but you get a free coffee with every mat coin.

D (147:06)

You know what? That's awesome.

B (147:08)

And you get to buy in early. Dude, buy into Matt Coin early. It's gonna go. So everybody buys coin, buy and hold.

C (147:14)

I'm not doing this.

B (147:15)

Buy and hold. Well, yeah, let's do that. Let's shelf it.

D (147:17)

Yeah.

B (147:18)

And come back again, you know, next week or something like that.

D (147:20)

Or we can do a digital one.

B (147:22)

Whatever you want to do. Okay.

C (147:23)

Yeah, either way. You. You've already see. I see what he did here. This is a sales technique.

B (147:28)

Oh, he's doing the sales. It was a good one.

C (147:30)

It was a good one.

B (147:31)

Good one in there. There you go.

C (147:32)

He's like, just left a bunch of leads and he's like, they're gonna pull on one of these.

B (147:36)

I like this. This is great, man.

C (147:38)

It's a banger. This. It was a good day. I. I would like to do more of these.

B (147:41)

I like this more. Dude. There's nothing against all the. The many homies that we've had on.

C (147:46)

The show, but you don't like interviewing experts like Timothy Alberino.

B (147:49)

The experts. Right. And I just have a healthy distrust for them.

D (147:53)

Okay, I'm gonna speak for the chat for a sec. For being like a check.

B (147:56)

Whatever you say is exactly what the chat guy drives me.

D (147:59)

And I'm sure many of them nuts.

B (148:01)

The banter, the interruptions and the derailing.

D (148:04)

No, all for it. But. But it's podcast people talking about podcast stuff. Oh, oh, I know. I got kicked off this platform and that one. And what about. And they demonetized me, and I got flagged here, and it goes on for, like, 10 minutes.

B (148:18)

The crybaby.

D (148:19)

I know it's like a common thing that podcast people share, but nobody gives.

B (148:22)

A. Yeah, you know what it is?

C (148:24)

I think you're right.

D (148:25)

We.

C (148:25)

We're. We are involved in podcast drama right now. My wife tells me.

B (148:30)

She's like, I don't care.

D (148:31)

The most boring kind of drama, man.

B (148:32)

Yeah, it is. It is, actually.

C (148:33)

No, this is fascinating drama, actually.

B (148:36)

Okay.

D (148:36)

It could.

C (148:37)

It could. It could unfold into some, like, real government fed, which I hope not, but I hear you. Like, I. I don't know. Who are we beefing with? The guy that stole our. Stole our moon map.

B (148:48)

That's fun for a while. It's a principled thing. When you take a thing from a man and you say you're borrowing it, and then you. You hold on to it for in, you know, an indeterminate amount of time. Yeah, that's called stealing feeling as far as I'm concerned.

C (149:01)

I know, but this is podcast beef, and it does not belong on our podcast.

B (149:05)

I just want my belongings.

C (149:06)

What was our biggest transgression with podcast beef, in your opinion? If you could remember.

D (149:13)

I mean, you guys in general are pretty good. Otherwise I wouldn't be here. Like, you know, there's some that just go, like. There's some beefs that just go on. Like, Owen Benjamin's had some beefs where I'm like. And I like him. He's funny as hell.

C (149:26)

He will beat a dead horse.

B (149:27)

Oh, my God, there. He did.

C (149:28)

Yeah.

D (149:29)

I was skipping ahead, like, 45 minutes. He's still on about just killing that horse.

B (149:33)

I like to look at when he kills a horse. I go, that's how you kill a horse.

C (149:36)

That's how you.

B (149:38)

That's how you kill a horse. A horse shows up and I'm thinking about killing it. I go, how would Owen Benjamin kill?

D (149:42)

He's done. It's in the glue container. He's got his label on it.

A (149:47)

100.

B (149:48)

100. He knows how to kill a horse.

D (149:49)

Yeah.

B (149:50)

Yeah.

C (149:50)

Okay, good. Good advice. We will. We will watch out for that. I feel like we. We could get caught up on that.

D (149:55)

I feel like, aren't you guys are not the bad ones to do it, But I mean, in general.

B (149:59)

Well, no, I agree with you. When people are complaining, when you listen to a show and they're complaining just like, maybe this isn't the best example. But right now I'm hearing, like, a David Ike do this? Where David Ike is just going, like, nobody will have me on their show. This person won't do it. That person won't do it. I've been talking about this for a long time. Nobody wants to hear what was me. No, nobody wants to hear what was me.

C (150:16)

Although it is very tempting. I. I get it. You and Matt. I said, part of me wants to make my entire personality just. Just about Timothy Albarino right now.

B (150:25)

Oh, yeah. Well, and it would be easy, tempting.

C (150:27)

And it would be fun.

B (150:28)

You know what I was doing.

C (150:29)

But I see it and I go, I just.

B (150:31)

My wife was listening to a Tick Tock the other day, right? And on the Tick Tock, my wife, they're talking about, you got to do it.

C (150:42)

Just don't disrespect the show.

B (150:44)

She goes, she goes, this lady, this girl on Tick Tock, she goes, did you know that Himalayan salt.

C (150:51)

Oh, yeah.

B (150:51)

Like that is actually the petrified innards of giants. And I go, this is where I'm doing this what was me shit. I go, babe, how many views does that have? Babe, how many shares does that have? 6,066,000 shares. 170,000 likes. And I go, okay, that's cool. So we talk about that on the show all the time, right? We talk, but. But we're not a chick. We're not a chick. And who talks like an idiot it on because she. The way she talks, she's like, did you know we're out here smelling. Literally, we're smelling the soul size of giants is what you're using.

C (151:26)

You want this? There you go, man.

B (151:27)

Sniff it. Sniff it up, dude. Those are a little bit of petrified giant innards, you know, so I'll have my moments of bitching and moaning, but I try not to drag it onto the show because I, you know, I think it's the same thing as black pilling. The bitches and the moaners are also the black pillars.

C (151:42)

We can do that.

B (151:43)

There's a correlation there. I don't think we can do it.

C (151:45)

I think we. Yeah, no, we bitched and moaned about the whole leburg and the Clint Russell.

B (151:50)

Okay, we did quite a bit about that.

C (151:52)

That was like, we were wronged. We were wronged.

B (151:54)

But then we did bitch and moan.

C (151:55)

We suffered pain.

B (151:57)

Four months, was it? Four months. Four long months of bitching and moaning and whining.

D (152:00)

You have a certain presence with your vision and moaning, which is very authoritative.

B (152:04)

You do, and you make it entertaining.

D (152:05)

And it is good coming from you. But I mean, tip. Specifically podcasters Talking about the nuance of podcasting.

C (152:11)

Oh, yeah.

D (152:12)

Oh, my stream yard wasn't working and, oh, I got demonetized.

C (152:15)

Oh, yeah.

D (152:15)

You know what? I monetized there too.

B (152:17)

You want to keep it moving?

D (152:18)

Yeah.

B (152:19)

If Streamyard doesn't work, you might hear a light joke about it. Or we'll go up the stream before we started. But we're here.

C (152:24)

Oh, well, I mean, that's every show.

B (152:26)

That's every show. That's why we're late, because Streamyard. All right, well, let's. Let's put a pin in it, man, and we'll figure this out. Yeah, tell them where they can't find you.

D (152:34)

Don't even look for me. Don't even get started. You can find me in on Patreon, like if somebody does have some.

B (152:40)

Something.

D (152:41)

I loved it.

C (152:41)

And what's your name on there?

D (152:43)

Can we check your messages?

B (152:46)

Check your messages?

C (152:49)

Yeah.

D (152:50)

I don't know, man. I just listen on Spotify and most of the podcasts are locked. I haven't even unlocked them. Like, I don't know what I'm doing.

B (152:56)

Like, oh, you haven't figured out how to get.

D (152:58)

I'm like a couple weeks behind all the time, so I'm never really concerned.

C (153:01)

It's your full name on there.

B (153:02)

I don't know if I want to say your full name. Oh, yeah, there you are.

D (153:05)

Yeah, we are on the Internet with a lot of people.

B (153:06)

Yeah, don't. Don't do that. Look, what I'll say is I'll. I'll pass people your way if you have anything interesting to say.

D (153:12)

Yeah.

B (153:13)

To Dylon. Then hit us up, you know, shoot us a message if you have any insights on anything or. Or, you know, anything that you want to reach out to them. I'll pass their information along.

D (153:23)

Sure. I'll just make a presence on Patreon somehow.

B (153:27)

Yeah, just comment on something. We'll make a post. We'll say.

D (153:29)

And I'll change my name first.

B (153:30)

We'll say Dylon's gonna comment below.

C (153:32)

Probably a good idea.

B (153:33)

Know. And then you'll comment below.

C (153:35)

A lot of bad people on.

B (153:36)

I'll be like, here it is, guys.

C (153:38)

Until next time. Tomorrow we're on with a bunch of good stuff, but this pre year, so it doesn't even matter what I'm saying.

B (153:43)

We'll see you soon.

C (153:44)

Don't forget to obey. Submit and comply. Goodbye.

B (153:59)

The book in the pages they for. Neverland Death when the last trumpet sound and the heaven.