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In this episode of Straight Bible, we go deep into Jude 16–19 and expose one of the most dangerous realities inside the modern church: people who do what is right in their own eyes while claiming the name of Christ. We break down: 🔥 How murmuring...
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David
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Timothy
Right everybody, we're back in Jude. Everybody who's been hanging strong with Us through all of these weeks of study in Jude, I didn't, honestly, I didn't think it was going to take this long. I didn't think that a one chapter book would take this long. But here we are, we're in verse 16 and we're just going to do 16, 17, 18 and 19 today, God willing. So just remember the context. Jude's the writer, he's writing to the church and he's writing about these, these people that we're about to talk about in verse 16. These are murmurs, complainers walking after their own lust. And their mouth speaks great swelling words. Having men's persons in admiration because of advantage. That word advantage in the Greek and Romans 3:1 is actually the same word as prophet. Having men's persons in admiration because of advantage, because of profit. You, you could imagine what this is. This is a butt kisser is what we would call this. These are dudes in the church, but they're butt kissers. And they say things to people to like, flatter them. And it's profitable for them to do that. But beloved, remember you the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ. How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time who should walk after their own ungodly lusts. Remember that these be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the spirit. So that's where we're at today. Jude verses 16 through 19. Remember that these is the same, these all through this book from verse 4. For there are certain men crept in unaware, who were before of old, ordained to this condemnation. Ungodly men turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness and denying the only Lord God in our Lord Jesus Christ. So all through this book where we see the word, these, these filthy dreamers, these speak evil of those things which they know not, but what they know naturally as brute beasts. These are spots in your feast. Enoch prophesied of these. We're just, we're just going a little bit further with these guys now. These are murmurers. So I want to open up first with this murmuring thing because like a murmurer, I think we all sort of know what a murmurer is. But biblically speaking, a murmurer always seems to be one who like knows God and has had interactions with God. And they're murmuring, right? Because the world, of course, the world's murmurs, they don't know the Lord. Of course they're murmuring. Murmuring biblically is like people who know the Lord and yet they still complain like they've seen the Lord. They've interacted with the Lord in still murmuring and complaining. So let's look at Psalm 106. Psalm 106, verses 1:27. You. You could say this is like the gold standard of murmuring. Like, in general, when you look at Israel throughout the scripture, there's always this pattern of, like, God is the God of Israel. He's the God of the covenant people, if you will. He takes care of them. They turn from him. They serve false gods. He turns his back on them. When that happens, they go into some kind of prison. They're. They're captured by enemies. Things go bad for them. They figure that out. They cry out to God, God saves them. And then the cycle just starts all over again. They just keep turning from God. Everything goes bad. They cry out to him, he saves them. And the cycle goes on and on. And I always think about when I was reading this to Bella when she was little, and I was reading, like, one of these cycles and judges, and she's like, daddy, why do they keep doing that? And then that's why I always say, you should read the Bible to your kids, man, because, like, kids don't do the whole, like, church thing where, like, you just kind of brush over stuff. Like, they want to know, like, what's going on, like, why are they doing this? And I just, like, kind of shocked me when she did that. She threw the covers off when, daddy, why do they keep doing this? And I said, sweetie, like, we still do this today. Like, like this is the pattern of humanity. It's not just a Bible thing. Like, this is still going on today, that people just turn from God and they only cry out to him when it's times of hardship. Right? But I think Psalm 106 is like a. It's a good example of, like, the gold standard of murmuring.
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David
Praise ye the Lord. Oh, give thanks unto the Lord, for He is good, for his mercy endureth forever. Who can utter the mighty acts of the Lord? Who can show forth all his praise? Blessed are they that judgment. Blessed are they that that keep judgment. And he doth righteousness all at all the times. Now, now I'm subconscious of how I'm reading, but it's fine.
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Timothy
I'll read. I'll read it. Blessed are they that keep judgment. And he that doeth righteousness at all times. I. I like that verse. That verse jumps out to me just because it says at all times. It doesn't say, like, in the church lobby or when you're at the when you're at the show, when you're at the 501c3 show, it doesn't say that. It says at all times, which especially, like, as a Christian, we're very mindful of the times when nobody's watching. When nobody's watching. Blessed are they that keep judgment and he that does righteousness at all times, especially when nobody's watching. Remember me, O Lord, with the favor that you bear unto your people. Oh, visit me with your salvation, that I may see the good of thy chosen, that I may rejoice in the gladness of thy nation. That's the nation of Israel, that I may glory with thy inheritance. We have sinned with our fathers. We have committed iniquity. We have done wickedly. Our fathers understood not thy wonders in Egypt, they remembered not the multitude of thy mercies. Just remember that. Like this concept of understood not. You can find this in John 12, John 12, like verse 40, where he's talking about the hard heart. A lot of people get this hard heart thing mangled, right? But the hard heart has to do with not understanding. So like the ones who can't understand, it's because they have a hard heart. So you could have a hard heart and do like a bunch of cemetery school, bunch of learning, bunch of education letters behind your name. If you have a hard heart, you still don't understand. You could parrot things and say things and like, sound right and win debates, but you still won't understand if you have a hard heart. And this is what happened in verse seven. Our fathers understood not your wonders in Egypt. They remembered not the multitude of your mercies. Just remember that part about not remembering, but provoked him at the sea, even at the Red Sea. Nevertheless, he saved them for his namesake. So he didn't save Israel because Israel was good. He did it for his namesake that he might make his mighty power to be known. And in that context, it was for everybody. It wasn't just for Israel. It's just that was the conduit, if you will, for how he presented himself to the nations. Because remember, a mixed multitude went up with Israel, like when they came out of Egypt. It wasn't just Jews that came out. It wasn't just Israel, it was Egyptians too. It said a mixed multitude went out with them. That's a whole other study for another time that we can unpack. But that's. I'm just simply saying that, like, God did all that, like through Israel. But it was for everyone. He rebuked the Red Sea also, and it was dried up. So he led them through the depths as through the wilderness. And he saved them from the hand of him that hated them and redeemed them from the hand of the enemy. And the waters covered their enemies. There was not one of them left. Remember, the Egyptian soldiers were all drowned in the sea. And we, and we know that's a type of baptism in. Actually we're gonna, we're gonna read that 1 Corinthians 10. But that's what we're talking about to the raven, about the whole, like some enemies on this side of baptism no longer have access to you on this side of baptism. And the water covers their enemies. And there was not one of them left then believed they his words, they sang his praise. In other words, music is worship. They sang his praise, but they soon forgot his works. And there's a funny thing about like then believed they his words. Any kind of belief, like where you have to see it to believe it, it just like biblically speaking, it doesn't last long. It doesn't seem to last long. Like faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. I'm not a scientist, I don't fully comprehend how this works. But the people who believe only when they see stuff like they believe. But it's very short lived.
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David
Like then I think the, your beef with music, I think it's got a lot to do with this here. It's a short lived sort of thing.
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Timothy
I don't have beef with music.
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David
Well, I agree with your beef with music. Cover your shirt. It's a short lived thing where it's like, it feels good in the moment. So it's not something that people should be like cleaving onto only you know what I'm saying? It's kind of like this, like they saw it, then they forgot. They heard this music, they felt good, they cried at the concert, then they forgot.
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Timothy
Yes.
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David
Yeah, yeah.
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Timothy
No, I think that's a fair assessment of like. Yeah, it just, I don't know, you got people that like do this game all the time with the music and it doesn't necessarily have much an effect on them. It's almost like it's just entertainment purposes. But I'm just saying, like they saw this. Like they like, dude, if you think about Israel, they saw the Red Sea part. They, they saw this whole thing, dude, the Red Sea parts, it kills the strongest empire on the planet. Drowns them all. And in three days they're murmuring. If you go back and read it in Exodus, three days later, they're murmuring. They just Saw the Red Sea just completely destroy the strongest nation on the planet. And within three days they're murmuring, faith doesn't come by sight. Like, I don't know. I'm not a scientist. I can't explain how that works. I can just tell you that that's what the Bible teaches man. And, like, when someone, some people believe by seeing something, I don't know, maybe that's how the great deception is so deceptive. Like, people see something, you know, in the end, things coming on the Earth, they see it. And the deception runs hot because of that, because people believe what they see, okay? But they. They forgot his works. That's the second time we've got this reference to, like, forgetting God. They soon forgot his works. They waited not for his counsel, but lusted exceedingly in the wilderness. Right? They lusted, right. That's what we're looking at in Jude as well. But lusted exceedingly in the wilderness and tempted God in the desert. And he gave them their request, but sent leanness into their soul.
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Timothy
So be careful when you ask God for what you want, because you might get it. You got a blank check.
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David
What does it mean when they tempted God in the wilderness?
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Timothy
Well, think about when Jesus was tempted in the wilderness. And what is, what is the context where he says, turn these stones. Like, if you could, you could turn these stones into bread. And then Jesus says, yeah, don't tempt the Lord your God. I don't know, man. There's. There's this weird thing where, like, instead of just being faithful and obedient to God, you. You almost have to, like, you're. I don't know, like, you're trying to prove him. Like, Jesus was going to have to prove him to Satan. He doesn't have to do that. He's like, I don't have to tempt God to, like, prove to you that he's God. Like, I know he's God. Like, like, we're already dealing with this. I don't know. That's a. That's a. They tempted God. They. I mean, at the end of the day, they pissed him off. Is really. Is really what it's talking about. And he gave them their request but sent leanness into their soul. So, like, they tempted him in asking for something, and he. And his answer was like, okay, I'll give it to you. That was. That was how they tempted him. And I'm pretty sure that's alluding to that. They said they wanted meat. They said that the. The wafers weren't enough. Right? The manna that came from heaven wasn't enough. They wanted meat. So we sent them quails. And then they got sick from it. But we could do a deep dive on that too. I just didn't have a lot of stuff ready for that. They envied Moses also in the camp, and Aaron, the saint of the Lord. The earth opened up and swallowed up Dathan and covered the company of Abraham. And a fire was kindled in their company. The FL burned up the wicked. They made a calf in Horeb and worshiped the molten image. Remember, we already read that story, how the earth opened up and swallowed Cora and everybody that was with them. Thus they changed their glory into the similitude of an ox that eats grass. They forgot God, their savior. That's the third time now. They forgot God which had done great things in Egypt, wondrous works in the land of Ham, and terrible things by the Red Sea. Therefore he said that he would destroy them had not Moses his chosen, stood before him in the breach to turn away his wrath, lest he should destroy them. So there's a good chunk of the body of Christ today that doesn't like that. Verse 23. God was going to dust all of Israel, but because a man stood in the gap and stood up for them and said, no, God, please don't. God changed his mind, if you will. I know that's super offensive to people, but that's what that's saying. God was going to Dust them. Moses stepped up and said, no, don't. And then God didn't. That's what that says. So interpret that however you want, but that's what that says. Yea, they despise the pleasant land. They believe not his word. Here we go. Sorry. It was long winded, but now we're there. But murmured in their tents. So I. I don't know, man. This is back to this thing about being alone. Like, remember we read in verse three, blessed are they that keep judgment and he that does righteousness at all times. These guys murmured in their tents. That's when they're alone. And I don't know, man. There's the more. I even looked into this, even this week, like, writing this out. I'm just thinking, like, you got to pay attention to, like, what is your heart posture to God? Like, when you're alone, you know, a lot of people can do the thing in the church is, hey, be blessed and hey, want to go to the buffet afterwards and talk about the ball game and everybody can do the thing. And it's. And it's good. It's whatever. But what's your. Like, what do you like with God when you're alone? You know what I mean? Like, this is what this is talking about. They murmured in their tents. They complained against God that, like, what? That, like, it wasn't good enough. And I think this is like a major issue, man. Like, people are in expectation of God, like, owing them something, and he owes you nothing. God doesn't owe us anything. So, like, what are we murmuring about? What are we complaining about? Like, he owes us something. He doesn't owe us anything.
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David
So are you saying that murmuring is like a. It's like a spiritual disposition at, like, the same way fornication would be?
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Timothy
Yeah, it's like an ungratefulness.
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David
That's a. That's an interesting thought. Yeah.
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Timothy
Yeah. And I think it's in the Thessalonian letter where it says, give thanks to God and everything, because this is the will of God. And sometimes I wonder, you know how people try to be super deep and try to be like, oh, what's the will of God for my life? What's like, this very specific destiny that God has for me? What's this? What's the path? Like, what does God want me to do? Well, I don't know. If you don't start with the basic thing is revealed in his word, that's to be grateful. I don't think you're ever going to get onto step two if you don't do step one. Step one for everybody is to live grateful to God and start to cultivate a heart that says, you don't owe me. This knob on the wall where I can make the shower temperature. Any water, any temperature I want. I can make fresh, clean water that people on the planet would die for to drink. I'm just washing my body with it. With it. Any temperature I want. Wow, God, thank you. Thanks for that. Oh, buttons on the wall. I can make the temperature in here any temp I want. Well, thank you, God. I don't deserve this. All the food on the planet. We have unlimited food in America, Unlimited water, electricity. Yeah, thank you, Lord. You don't owe me any of this. My car runs and I can get from A to B. Wow. Thank you, God. I have a family of people that love me. Like, I don't know, go down the list. I have a Bible. Like, I have the word of God. Yeah. Hey, thank you, Lord. You never owed me any of this. You know what I'm saying? If you cultivate that, like, so much of this comes back to, like, not living on defense, like, living on offense. Cultivating this, like, gratefulness is going to make it where you don't want to murmur. Like, you, like, it just puts it in context to where you can't murmur. Okay, so they murmured in their tents, and they hearkened not unto the voice of the Lord. Therefore he lifted up his hand against them to overthrow them in the wilderness, to overthrow their seed also among the nations and to scatter them in the lands. And. All right, so we. The only reason that's intriguing is because we were talking about this this week about, like, Israel being scattered. They're in nations. They get thrown out of the nations whose ever fault it is in the end. Just remember, it's God's fault. Like, in the end, God is the one behind all of it. God is the one who scatters them among the nations. No matter how that plays out on the world stage in 2025 or 1948 or 1962 or whatever. Whatever year you want. Like, God is the one behind Israel being scattered and brought back. He's always the one behind the thing. Behind the thing, behind the thing. Okay, so now we're in 1 Corinthians 10. Because sometimes people. I know we kind. I think we've referenced this passage quite a few times now just because people get sidetracked on the whole, like, Old Testament thing. But this is very clear. This is very clear about what the Old Testament is to us. Moreover, brethren, I would not that you should be ignorant how that all our father fathers were under the cloud and all passed through the sea and were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea. We just talked about that. And did all eat the same spiritual meat and did all drink the same spiritual drink? For they drank of that spiritual rock that followed them, and that rock was Christ. So Israel partook of baptism, communion, and most importantly, to get straight to the point, partook of Christ. They drank of that spiritual rock that followed them, and that rock was Christ. But it's a big but with many of them, God was not well pleased because they were overthrown in the wilderness. Now, these things were our examples to the intent that we should not lust after evil things as they also lusted. Neither be idolaters, as were some of them. As it is written, the people sat down to eat and drink and rose up to play. Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed and fell in 1day 23,000. Neither let us tempt Christ as some of them also tempted and were destroyed of serpents. Neither murmur. The murmuring and the tempting go hand in hand, man. Neither murmur as some of them murmured and were destroyed of the destroyer. Okay, so on this context of murmuring, we're dealing with murmurs right now. We're just opening up. We're just. We're just laying a foundation for the. For the study. Now, all these things happen unto them for examples, and they're written for our admonition upon whom, upon whom the ends of the world are come. Wherefore let him that thinks he stands, take he, lest he fall. Because remember, they thought they could stand, but they fell. There has no temptation taken you, but such as is common to man. But God is faithful who will not suffer to you, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that you are able. That's a powerful passage, man. God will not. There is no temptation taking you, but such as is common to man. But God is faithful who will not suffer to you to be tempted above that you are able, but will with the temptation also make a way to escape that you may be able to bear it. So like any, like anything, like, we don't want to be people who are praying like, oh, God, don't let hard things come on me. We want to be people that say, like, no, no. If hard things come at me, Lord, make me strong enough to be able to handle it. That's what this passage is talking about. Because you can imagine with your kid, you could Say, oh, I hope no bad things ever happen to him. Like, that's not. That's not realistic. It's not a good way of looking at life. But a better way is like, let's make this kid strong enough so when hard things happen, he can handle it. That's what God's saying here. He gives you a way out. Never think that you're beyond what you can handle. And this is wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry. Just flee from anything that you put in front of God in your life. All right, so that's. So that's murmuring. Let's look at this. Walking after their own lust. We're back to Jude. We're back to Jude, verse 16. Walking after their own lust. These are murmurs. Complainers. Walking after their own lust. That's verse 16. Verse 18 says how that they told you there would be mockers in the last time who should walk after their own ungodly lust. We're going to unpack this now, too. One thing I did want to say about that 1 Corinthians 10 passage as well. Very low level Bible reading. Like, very. Like, if there's Bible reading and comprehension and spiritual insight on, like, a level of 1 to 10, level 1 looks at people in the Bible and looks down on them and just says, they're trash. Look how trashy they are. I can't believe they did that. Like, we talked about that guy the other day. He did this story on Elijah and tried to make the point that, like, Elijah was acting out of pride and calling fire out of heaven and mocking the false prophets, and he wasn't supposed to do that. And the dude has, like, a big platform and just failed to see that. In verse 36, like, we even have on the T shirts, it says that Elijah did all that at the word of God. And there's this con. It's a deeper thing, though. Like, the reason I think it pricked my heart a little bit is because it's like a deeper thing. Like, people have this thing to try to, like, put down people they see in the Bible.
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David
Like angels.
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Timothy
Yes. And so I think that's like, you're very low level. Even if you have 20,000 views on the video, you're very low level spiritually. You're like, level one. Level 10 is where you see that happening. Even with, like, the Pharisees, it's very easy to say, oh, those guys are trash. And I'm not saying I don't do that initially. Right. When I see that just like when you see somebody texting and driving, like, it's still my. My first thing is like, oh, I can't believe. And then you go, I know I've done it. Same thing on Bible reading, man. You look at the Pharisees, you go, these guys are trash. And then you go, wait a minute, wait a minute. If these dudes had the scriptures, like, they lived in the reality of all of the word of God. They had God standing right in front of them, and they missed it. Lord, please don't let me miss it. Please show me where I'm missing it. Like, that's good Bible reading. That's why we look at 1 Corinthians 10, where it gives all those examples of Israel, because it's very easy to look at Israel especially, too, and point out all the flaws in them. That's okay. That's okay. But that's low level. A higher level is okay. Where am I doing this? Where am I doing this in the story of Elijah and the story of all of Israel through the whole Old Testament and the story of the Pharisees, like. Like all these stories. I'm not saying it's wrong to notice the wrong in others, but I think there's this really big thing that, like, maybe you'll get more views if you point out that, like, oh, you never saw this about the story of Elijah before. He's really prideful. And it's almost like this undercurrent of, like. So it's okay for you to be that way, too, because, look, even Bible characters are that way. I think that's what it is. And everybody just wants to feel good about the preaching instead of being like, no, dude, this guy, he's a great one in the kingdom of God, dude, he did all this at the word of God. Like, God instructed him on all this. Step your game up. Let's not bring Elijah down to your level. Let's bring you up to Elijah's level. And people don't like that. They don't like that. All right, so we just looked at this whole thing about walking after their own ungodly lust. I'm going to read another long passage again, and then I think we're done with the long passages. I hope everybody's, like, still locked in and paying attention. Everybody good? You think everybody's cool out there?
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David
They're good.
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Timothy
Are they saying crazy stuff?
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David
Always.
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Timothy
What?
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David
Something I was going to say is, like, when. Whenever me and my kids see homeless people, I look at them and it's like, you could. You could think One of two things. Like, look at this guy. Stinks. Look at him. Homeless. Or you could think, how many steps am I from there?
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Timothy
I love when you say that.
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David
I hate that.
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Timothy
The first time I heard you say that, I was like, that's heavy, bro. You said you're like, how many decisions are you away from that? I was like, bro, probably three. That's a good. Some people it's one. Yeah, right. Like, yeah, that. That's what I'm saying. Like, that's how we want to, like, read Scripture. We never want to read Bible stories and then just clown the guy in the Bible story. That's. That's like, very low level. I've seen people do that with Jonah. I had never really seen somebody do that with Elijah. I was kind of in shock that the guy did that and had so many people paying attention to what he was saying. I was. I was like, what is going on, dude? But, yeah, you see it with like, good man of God. And. And then people like, lot. You hear it a lot with lot. But it. But Peter, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, says, lot was a righteous man. So, yeah, I don't know. There's just this thing to try to like, bash Bible people and it's. I don't know. It's interesting to me. Now we know Jesus did go hard after the Pharisees. He did go after hypocrites. He did go after mockers and scoffers to put them in their face to, like, get them corrected. But that's something different than someone who is a man of God. And you're trying to chip away at him, Right. If he's not a faker, don't try to chip away at him. This know also. This is a heavy passage too. This know also that in the last days perilous times shall come. That Greek word means fierce also. It's only translated one other time. It only shows up one other time in the New Testament, I think. And it says fierce. And I think it's in regards to the demoniac, the madman of Gadara, they call him. And then he came out of the tombs like, fierce. This know also that in the last days fierce time shall come, for men shall be lovers of their own selves. Okay, I'm going to just deal with this right now. I don't know when this started. I'm pretty sure it was around when I was a kid. You started to hear this thing where they said you have to love yourself. Do you know what I'm talking about?
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David
Yeah, yeah.
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Timothy
If you don't love yourself, you can't love anybody else.
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David
It's like a female self empowerment sort of thing.
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Timothy
Yes, yes, now, whatever. Now that's in the world. That's always been in the world. I think as we dissect this passage, you're going to say, yeah, all of these things have always existed in the world. This is peculiar to this being in the church, right? You can't talk about men being lovers of their own self. Covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, truce breakers, false accusers, inconsiders, continent, fierce despisers of those that are good, traitors, heady, high minded lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God, right? All of these things always exist in the world. This is nothing peculiar. This is only peculiar because it's in the church. Lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God. So they're lovers of God, they just love pleasures more. Do you see what I'm saying? He's saying this is going to happen in the church. They have a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof from such turn away. So we made a conscious decision when the kids were little to not raise them in the 501C3 system. And that was a very difficult decision. You're raising children, you're responsible for their eternal destination. You're responsible for the way their life is going to go. This was a big heavy decision for us. And I had seen too many examples and had too many conversations with kids raised in church that were never going to come to Christ now because of the way they grew up in church. And I'm not saying it's good to not raise them in church. I'm not saying there's any right or wrong way to do this. Like you're a parent and you have to decide for yourself how to raise your children. We made a conscious decision and this passage had a lot to do with it because it says from such turn away. Like if you see a church that's like this, from such turn away. I know that's super offensive, man, but people might get that over time. Maybe not today or tomorrow, but over time that may unpack a little bit and they may go, okay, I get it, I get it. But these are things happening in the church and it says it's last days. So back to this lovers of own selves thing. You see people saying you have to love yourself. Like, like, like for a lot of people this is considered like, good in like Church, I'm not talking about in the world. In the church, they're like, you have to love yourself. You have to learn to love yourself. Do you know that Jesus says, he says, love your neighbor as you love yourself? Do you know Jesus says you have no problem loving yourself? There's nobody has any problem loving themselves. Jesus is very plain on that. It's very clear. Love your neighbor as you love yourself, because you don't have any problem loving yourself. Like this is this modern creation, which is fine in the world if they do that, but that has no business in the church. Like the entire context of Christianity is setting yourself aside, stopping the love of self. Love your neighbor as you love yourself, because you already love yourself and think of yourself more than anyone else on the planet. So this whole thing that we have today, like, you got to love yourself, that's not biblical. Like, none of that's biblical. Or the love languages talk to me in my love languages give me words of affirmation. None of this is biblical. It's just this wanker stuff that's like built up to like feed self. And Christianity is the concept of dying to self. It's the exact opposite.
- [32:04]
David
Do you think that this is why there's such a, like, there's like a weird resurgence in this idea of hell not being a place of punishment? If these people, like, if they can love themselves enough here, then they could kind of justify that they were good enough here, you know, I'm saying. So it's like this fake love to replace what the Bible clearly says is eternal damnation.
- [32:25]
Timothy
Yeah, Timothy, this letter to Timothy, he's going to deal with it, dude, we're going to get to it here in a minute. But they heap to themselves teachers having itchy ears and they'll turn away their ears from the truth. People just don't want to believe it, dude. People want to do whatever they want to do in this life and not come to terms with God. And you know what's kind of scary to me about that whole argument, if you will, is that they're saying, yeah, hell is just separation from God. It's not eternal torture. You ever see the movie Little Nicky?
- [32:57]
David
Yeah.
- [32:57]
Timothy
You know what I'm talking about?
- [32:58]
David
Yeah.
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Timothy
You know, they're like, yeah, Hitler's got a 3 o' clock to shove a pineapple up his ass. You know what I'm talking about? So, like, if they're saying like, it's not torture like that, then like, whatever, I'm not gonna like split hairs with you. But if you don't think separation from God for all eternity is hell. Good luck, bro. You've already missed the boat.
- [33:17]
David
You might prefer the pineapple.
- [33:19]
Timothy
You. Yeah, yeah. You've already missed the boat, right? Yeah. I don't know. I don't know that. That's got to be nothing new. There's got to always be fakers teaching that hell's not real or that it's not eternal, whatever you want to call it, maybe. I don't know if they're mincing words and they say it's torture forever.
- [33:39]
David
Like, I'm saying, like, isn't it just another level of, like, the devil convincing you that he isn't real? Yeah, same thing.
- [33:44]
Timothy
Yeah.
- [33:45]
David
Just, I guess, slightly more abstract.
- [33:48]
Timothy
Yeah. If you're going to be separated from God for eternity, I don't know of anything more torturous than that. I'd rather somebody hit me in the face with a baseball bat for, like. For a full day straight than spend eternity separated from God. And like I said, if you're saying that's not torture, that's all hell is. Like, you've already missed the boat. Like, you're already gone. You have no business speaking on behalf of the kingdom of God. Yeah, it's crazy, but that. But that's what it is. It's the love of self. And, yeah, that same group is probably like a lot of the 55 and over that, like, came out of Catholicism, but they didn't like it. And they just want to be deep and spiritual, but they're just like New Agers. Like, that's where all that type of thinking comes from. Like, it doesn't come from the Bible. The Bible's, like, very plain on that. Like, it's very plain.
- [34:29]
David
Well, think about this, too. Like, the worst punishment you can do to somebody when they go into lockup is put them in solitary. And it's like that they're away from everybody. They're kept by themselves. But, like, if we all have this spark of divinity from God in us, maybe that connection, like the six feet away sort of thing, that's like, what keeps us from spiraling. You keep somebody in a room by themselves. Like they're by themselves now. Keep them strictly away from God. Like, away away. That's torture.
- [34:55]
Timothy
I know, but to think that they don't think that's torture.
- [34:58]
David
They'll find out.
- [34:59]
Timothy
I don't. Yeah, they are gonna f around and find out. Okay, for of this sort are they which creep into houses and lead captives. Silly women laden with sins, led away with diverse loss, fake Preachers have a way of like, manipulating the females, dude. It's a. It's a weird thing for. Of this sort are they which creep into houses and lead captive silly women laden with sins. How are they led captive? Because they're not told to repent. They're not told to repent and turn by grace through faith to Christ. Do you see what I'm saying? So they're captive to their sins. Remember the scripture talks about. Is it Romans 7? It talks about sin reigns. Sin reigns like a king, like only kings reign. So, like, sin reigns and you're held captive by it until you repent and turn to God until you're born again and you're broken free from your sin. So, like, these people hold people captive by exactly what we're talking about. Tell them, no, no, no, you're okay. You're okay. No need to repent. No need to repent. No, no. Hell no. Don't worry about that. Nothing to worry about here.
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David
Smooth words.
- [36:00]
Timothy
Yes. This is what people want, man. And it's. It's sketch. Because if it's in the church, verse three says, this is a sign of the last days, bro. So I don't know, we. We can unpack that at another time. But this is peculiar to the last days. Why? What's these dudes issue? They're verse seven. They're ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. Now, as Janice and Jambres withstood Moses, they say that's a reference to the magicians to the occult. In Egypt, when Moses, you know, throws down his stick, it's a serpent. The magicians throw it down. They say, that's Janice and Jambres. So do these also resist the truth? Men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith, but they shall proceed no further, because one day their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was. But you have fully known my doctrine. Manner of life, purpose, faith, long suffering, charity, patience, persecutions in afflictions. This is Paul talking to Timothy. Now, he doesn't say, oh, you remember I spit fire on Sundays, man. You remember I had the best sermons. No, that's not. That's not his qualification. He says, timothy, you have fully known my doctrine, my manner of life. You kind of have to live among the people for them to know your manner of life. You have fully known my doctrine, my manner of life, my purpose, my faith, my long suffering, my love, my patience, my persecutions, my afflictions, which came to me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra what persecutions I endured. But out of them all, the Lord delivered me. It would do everybody well to, when you're reading scripture to understand God's part, man's part. I feel like this has helped me so much in my reading of the Bible.
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David
So you just substituted the word charity for love?
- [37:46]
Timothy
Charity's love. Yeah.
- [37:47]
David
Okay. That's something we were talking about two weeks ago, I think. Where. What is love?
- [37:52]
Timothy
Yeah, well, God is love. So we have to read who God is. And it's not what people think love is, man. It's definitely not. But I. But verse 11 has been a huge help to me, man. Because there's a giant block of Christianity today that really struggles with like what does man do and what does God do? And there's this thought that God just does everything and man is just a robot that just he's already pre programmed. He doesn't have free will, he's just moving. God does everything. Just always notice through the scripture what's God's part and what's man's part. Paul says, I endured, but out of them all the Lord delivered me. There's always this working together. Even God says we're co laborers together with him. Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived. So Paul's saying, like, you know how some people say there was only like apostles in the first century because it was so bad back then that you needed apostles. Paul says the opposite. He says, bro, you think it's bad now, Timothy, Wait till you see the last days. Dude. That's what he's saying right here. He says evil men are going to get worse and worse. So the longer time goes on, it's going to get more and more evil. Evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse. So as this thing progresses, as time goes on, it doesn't get better and better, it gets worse and worse and worse and worse. And why are they so evil? Because they're deceiving people and being deceived themselves. Right. Remember in verse 7 we read ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. Here it says their seducers will wax worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived. That's why it's sketch when somebody's like sincere, which we love sincerity. We hate hypocrisy and we love sincerity. But a dude can be sincere, but he's ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. And he's also deceiving and being deceived. This is why I put a heavy emphasis on reading the Bible, man.
- [39:48]
David
It's. It's really interesting, too, because in that justification video of Kirk Cameron and hell, the. The guy that wanted to debate you also references a Zach Brown band. This is a thing that happened last week where they're in the sphere in Las Vegas and people like, oh, that was a demonic ritual that they did. They showed like, insane levels of hell to people in the audience. And it's like the. The pronunciation of evil that they're showing to people now is like, so much stronger than what they were doing back in the day. But it's the same thing. It's like this weird glorification of evil, but now it's done in this fantastic manner.
- [40:27]
Timothy
More and more numb to it.
- [40:28]
David
We're numb to it, but then on top of that, we have men that are looking at it, and I don't know if they want to deceive, but they're going to wax worse and worse because they are being deceived. And now they're justifying and defending.
- [40:39]
Timothy
I didn't see the thing. Kirk Cameron, I just saw. I know that it came out, but I didn't watch it. You watched it.
- [40:44]
David
I think you saw highlights from it.
- [40:46]
Timothy
The dude, Ray Comfort, that used to do all the stuff.
- [40:49]
David
Yeah, yeah, I saw that. But he did defend Kirk Cameron and said, Kirk just has some questions about it. I feel like that's fair.
- [40:56]
Timothy
So I didn't see it. So I don't know if he was saying hell isn't real or if he's just saying, man, this is intriguing. We should talk about it. You know who had a good book on it that I read? And by the end of it, I was like. At the time, I thought, like, that was a waste of a couple weeks to read this book. But now I'm like, damn, no, that was a great book, man. Francis Chan, I think it's called Hell is Real. Like, he just wrote a very plain book and it. And it just had all these very plain passages from Scripture where, like I said when I was reading it, this is probably, I don't know, five or 10 years ago, I was like, yeah, no kidding, dude. Like, who's arguing this? Well, like, I never knew there was people arguing this, but then I guess now it's like a thing, man. So the dude, Kirk Cameron said, whatever, but Ray Comfort was like, no, Kirk's my guy. We did stuff for a long time. He hasn't worked with us for 10 years, but, you know, he's kind of thinking through this. But just so we're all on the same page. Yeah. We do not think that hell's not real. We believe hell is real and we warn people against it.
- [41:48]
David
And I felt like that was a fair, like, rebuttal of what he said. And he said he's also open to having a conversation. And from what he did say about Kirk Cameron, Kirk Cameron's like, hey, I'm just. I don't know.
- [41:57]
Timothy
I like talking about it.
- [41:58]
David
That's about it.
- [42:00]
Timothy
So maybe other people took what he said and mangled it. Like, maybe, like I said, I didn't watch it, but, like, maybe Kirk was saying, hey, I just want to talk through this. This is tough. And if you're saying this is tough because we're talking about where people we know are going to spend eternity, it is tough.
- [42:12]
David
Yeah.
- [42:13]
Timothy
It is a very serious topic. And so if he just wants to talk through it, that's fine. But I thought the dude, Ray Comfort, which I don't. I haven't even, like, watched any of his stuff for I don't know how long, man. But I thought it was cool the way he said it. He wasn't, like, trashing Kirk Cameron. He wasn't bashing him in any way. He was saying, like, this is my guy, dude. I've been in the trenches with this guy because those two used to go on the street. They were in the trenches together. And now he's watching his brother potentially say, like, some basic doctrine, say, it's not real. I don't know. I felt like he loved him. Like, he loved. It seemed like he loved him, man. And I respect that.
- [42:43]
David
Yeah, I mean, I get that's. That's the tricky part about what I do, where it's like, I'm trying to raise a question, but I don't want to be heretical about it, but I do want to have the conversation there. But that can get taken and spun and whatever. Let's do straight Bible.
- [42:55]
Timothy
Yeah, that's why we do Straight Bible, because you watch the things today and stuff just gets mangled, bro. Like, now that I would see a little bit of the stuff you send me from Twitter, I'm just like, dude, stop. I just want. Let's just go straight Bible and let people say whatever they want to say. Okay, here's the solution. But you, Timothy, continue in the things which you have learned and have been assured of knowing of whom you have learned them. And that from a child you have known the Holy Scriptures which are able to make you wise unto salvation. So what's able to make you wise in a salvation? The Scriptures. Not necessarily anybody else, any other system, any other teacher. The Scriptures. That's why we lay a heavy emphasis on people reading the Scriptures. From a child, you have known the Holy Scriptures which are able to make you wise unto salvation through faith. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. That's why. That's why the Scriptures do that. You get in the Scriptures and it builds your faith. It may not build you in a way where you're going to win debates with people, but it's going to build your faith. That's what you want. That make you wise into salvation through faith, which is in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction and righteousness so that the man of God may be perfect or mature, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. I charge you, therefore, before God in the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing in his kingdom. Remember, there's Jesus the judge again. People. People don't like that. This is New Testament preaching. Jesus the judge. Preach the word. This is what he's telling Timothy to do. Preach the word. Be instant, in season, out of season. So even if you're out of season, you think it's not even your time period. Like that is your time period. Be instant, in season, out of season. Reprove, rebuke, exhort, with all long suffering and doctrine. Because the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine. This is what we're talking about, bro. Sound doctrine. You have to endure it, man. Like, as you take this in, it's not little snippets, dude. People love little snippets. Like they're eating a fortune cookie and they just read this little snippet and make the Bible say whatever they want. No, no, no. Sound doctrine is different. Sound doctrine is reading the book of Jude and putting together a hundred other Bible passages to understand it. And it takes endurance. These are like long things where you're tying things together and sometimes it makes your brain feel like it's melting. It makes your spirit, like, strong too. It makes your spirit go, oh, like this is a lot. And people can't endure that. They just want snippets, bro. They just want these little quick shorts, these little quick reels, these little quick tweeters. They just want this stuff quick. And they can't endure sound doctrine. But after their Own lust. There we go, man. After their own lust, this is what they want shall they heap to themselves teachers having itching ears, and they shall turn away their ears from the truth and shall be turned into fables. Telling you, man, this all comes back to love of self and lovers of love, of pleasure, man. It all comes back to that, man. Because sound doctrine and genuinely going hard after God is difficult. People don't want that. All right, now that was a big setup. 42 minutes. Dang it.
- [46:02]
David
We got time.
- [46:02]
Timothy
Are you sure? Because I feel like you get a little touchy.
- [46:04]
David
This is your coffee shop. How are we doing on electric?
- [46:07]
Timothy
We good? We good. Thanks for asking, though. Okay. This is one of the most craziest passages in the Bible, man. We've got. We've got to unpack this. It should go a little bit quicker from here. We just laid, like, a big foundation about, like, what's happening in the church, how much people, like, love their own lust. And we're just going to try to unpack this concept of, like, people loving their own lust. I'm going to read it like an insane passage right now. In those days, this is. This is the very last verse of Judges. And if you think Israel's bad now, go read the Book of Judges. Like, nobody's debating if Israel is doing bad now. We're not getting into all that. I'm simply saying there's no way it's as bad as what happened with Israel and Judges or a lot of other stories throughout the scripture. So after all of the madness and the chaos and the craziness of the Book of Judges, this is what it says at the very end of the book. In those days, there was no king in Israel. Every man did that, which was right in his own eyes. How much is that? Like, do you see that more than anybody? Like, you're in the tweeter land and all the stuff with social media and, like, regular media, like, whatever it is now, and it's just chaos, bro. The more stuff I see now is, like, it's chaos. This guy's going this way, that guy's going that way. This dude's doing this. This guy says that it's just going all over. It's just chaos because every man did that, which was right in his own eyes.
- [47:24]
David
You read the. You read the back and forth that I had with that guy. Who, Jacob Israel. You read that?
- [47:32]
Timothy
Oh, yeah, yeah.
- [47:32]
David
On Twitter. That verse right there. Doing what's right in your own eyes is very much. That's like, a disregard of what the scripture says. And he's like, but this is how I feel. And I'm like, that's very interesting. Don't be a her. Don't be a heretic.
- [47:44]
Timothy
Well, well, this is why it's so crazy. It would be a lot easier to stomach this verse if it said, if you look at the state of everything and if it said every man did that which was wrong in his own eyes, that'd be a little bit more easy to stomach, bro. This says that everybody's doing what they think is right.
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David
It speaks to a delusion.
- [48:03]
Timothy
Yes, yes. They're not consciously making this decision and going into wickedness. Whatever. The thing was for the Zach Brown Band, for the hell. They're doing what's right in their eyes. They're not doing what's wrong. Every man is doing that which is right in his own eyes.
- [48:18]
David
And the Zach Brown Band justified that stuff in the name of Jesus Christ.
- [48:21]
Timothy
Is black, brown, country.
- [48:22]
David
I don't know. I don't listen to them.
- [48:23]
Timothy
That sounds like a country name.
- [48:25]
David
But they did justify it and they justified in the name of Jesus, which is like, very much here. Right in your own eyes.
- [48:31]
Timothy
It's like, bro, see, if they. If this said they were doing that which was wrong in their own eyes and they knew it, it'd be one thing. Yeah, this says every man's doing that, which is right. That's terrifying, dude. People are doing this stuff and they think it's right. And what. As we unpack this, you're going to see man's heart is wicked and evil, man. We have to repent and turn to God. Like, we just don't want that. We just don't get it. But that's why when man does. Right, it doesn't matter. Let's unpack it. Do you have any of these passages, like, on the. Like, Proverbs 14?
- [48:57]
David
Oh, yeah.
- [48:58]
Timothy
Proverbs 14:12. Can we look at them up there? Yeah, hold on.
- [49:03]
David
There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.
- [49:08]
Timothy
Bro. It doesn't say there's a way which seems wrong. There's a. Dude, there's men. Go like, to your point, if you're talking with the guy and saying, like, bro, you have to get back to the Bible. Like. Like, I get it. You're saying that you think these ways are right. Bro, the end thereof is death. I know you think it's right. I got it. The scripture is very plain on that because it says the same thing in Proverbs 14:12 and 16:25. You don't even have to pull it up. But it says the exact same thing. It just. It says it twice. There's a way that seems right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death. Like, this is what's happening today, bro. I was like, everybody thinks that their way is right. Look at Ezekiel 36:17, Son of Man. When the house of Israel dwelt in their own land, they defiled it by their own way and by their doings. Their way was before me as the uncleanness of a removed woman, bro. He's saying, like a menstruous cloth. Like a period raggedy. He's saying man's way that man thinks is right. It's like a period rag. It's like this bucket in the back. There's a bucket? Period boy.
- [50:14]
David
No.
- [50:14]
Timothy
We had to put a thing on the wall in the women's bathroom. I was like, sweetie, what is this? She's like, yeah, it's the period stuff goes in there. The tampons and the pads. Yeah, that stuff goes in there, that bucket. It seems like the grossest thing in the universe, right? You look at it, you go, no. What God says, yeah, man doing right in his own eyes. It's like that to me. Me. That's what it's like to me. Look at that. Their way was before me as the uncleanness of a removed woman. Like a period rag, bro. Oh, no, it's good. What I'm saying is good. Yeah, look at me. I'm saying things people want to hear. It's good. Yeah, it's like a period rag in the eyes of God.
- [50:48]
David
I think this is where you get. Like, me and David always talk about the 99 truths and a lie. Man's stuff is always the 99 truth. But that lie is very easy to slip in there. And then it's like, I don't even know.
- [50:59]
Timothy
But some of these dudes, like, they. They don't even have 99. They're like. It's like, bro, what? You're not even starting on thing one.
- [51:06]
David
Yeah.
- [51:06]
Timothy
All right. How do we get to Jeremiah 16? You have all these?
- [51:09]
David
Yeah, I got old.
- [51:09]
Timothy
I love this, man.
- [51:11]
David
Hold on. Jeremiah 16:10. And it shall come to pass when thou shalt show the people all these words, and they shall say unto thee, wherefore hath the Lord pronounced all this great evil against us? Or what is our iniquity? Or what is our sin that we have committed against the Lord our God? Then shalt you say unto Them. Because your fathers have forsaken me, saith the Lord, and have walked after other gods and have served them, and have worshipped them, and have forsaken me, and have not kept my law. And ye have done worse than your fathers. For behold, you walk one after the imagination of his evil heart that they. That they may not hearken unto me, bro.
- [51:56]
Timothy
The imagination of his evil heart. Do you see what he's saying now? He's saying, like, dude, if you don't trust in God and you just go your own way and do what you think is right, how many times do you hear this with people? Like, yeah, I'm going to heaven. I'm a good person. That's just people who are right in their own eyes. They're not wrong in their own eyes. They're right in their own eyes, which is all of man. We're going to unpack this. We're going to unpack this. It's all of mankind. Do you.
- [52:19]
David
Do you think that there's a. There's like an on ramp for people that you're just talking to, though, that really don't want to hear this at all? Because God's laws are strict and they are stern and they are clear. But people are so set in their ways that it's like, well, how do you even begin to bring them out of it? You know?
- [52:35]
Timothy
Preaching. Yeah, I mean, preaching is, is God's like, appointed way, man, the word of God. And preaching. If you're saying, like, if you're dealing with somebody, it's preaching. If God's dealing with somebody, he can get them a Bible. He can get them, he can persuade. He pulls on their. On our hearts, right? Like, no comes to the Father unless he draws them first. Like, no man comes to God unless God starts to, like, tug on you. And that can look different for everybody. So like, so as he starts to tug on your heart, you never know where people are at in that process. Right? Like, we're co laborers with God. So we preach. We preach.
- [53:07]
David
Do you think it's a sin to, like, just start to, like, plant a seed with someone? No, when I plant a seed, I'm not going like, hey, there are strict rules and if you disobey them, there are heavy consequences. No, that's the truth. But like, I don't.
- [53:21]
Timothy
We're going to unpack that next week in Jude. He says with some people do that, you kind of have to be the judge with some people. Yeah, you do hit them like that. Yeah, it's not a lot. Somebody has to Be really prideful, I think, for you to hit them with that. I don't know. I don't know. We'll unpack that next week. But we don't, like, here's the thing, dude, like, you never know where you're at in the process of like planting, seed, watering, harvesting. Like, we just don't know where we're at in that process. So we preach the gospel and trust God. We don't preach the gospel and expect results. The results are in God's hand. When man starts getting into this place of making the message palatable so that people will respond, man ruins everything. That's what like seeker friendly churches are like. That's the concept of like a lot of American churches today is like creating this message that's palatable so that you'll get the response. That's not our job. That's not our job. Our job is faithfully preach the gospel and let the chips fall where they may, because God will take it from there.
- [54:19]
David
So, for instance, and I don't want to detract from your story, a guy I was talking to was like, I think really, you know, reincarnation is a thing. And I'm just like, you know, it's not biblical, but here's an example. We just talked about Elijah giving two portions of his spirit to Elisha. I don't know what that means. I don't think that's reincarnation. But there's a precedent for something like.
- [54:38]
Timothy
It'S appointed and a man wants to die, and after that, the judgment. Judgment. So it's not. It's. Reincarnation is not possible.
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David
That's why I told them that also.
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Timothy
That's good. But you don't have to win the debate because you don't know where you're at in the seed process. I don't know. We don't have any clue. Like, that's the thing. Like, God doesn't let us know where we're at in that process. Like I said, a dude in Hawaii stopped me in my tracks. We snuck an eight ball of Coke on the plane and we drank 40s the whole time in Hawaii. This is like late 90s. And we were trash doing ecstasy on the trip. And a dude on the corner in Waikiki said, said, God's got a plan for your life. That's what the guy said. Stop me dead in my tracks, bro. And I turned around and said, what? And I talk. I don't remember what we talked about for the next half hour, but my boys were like, hepner, let's go. Let's go. Like, what are you doing? Let's go. You're talking to this Christian guy on the corner. And it was wild because we had the Buddhist book of Dharma in the hotel. Instead of a Bible, they had the Buddhist book of Dharma. And I was like, I don't. It was. It's crazy. Like, there was a war for my soul back then. So I was, like, reading the Buddhist book of Dharma, and I was kind of digging it, and this guy said this, and we had this whole exchange. I don't even remember what happened for 20 or 30 minutes when I talked to him. That guy has no clue. Like, only when I see that dude in the eternal realm are we. Is he gonna understand, like, what happened in that story. He doesn't know. He has no clue. He didn't know if he was, like, the initial seed planting, if he was watering, if he's harvesting. So if you go out on the corner and you're expecting to, like, seed, water, and harvest in five minutes, then you're off. You don't know what you're doing. Do you see what I'm saying? So, like, we just have to be faithful. Like, that dude was a faithful witness and testifier to the truth. He wasn't trying to get me to go to his church or give him a donation. He was just faithfully preaching the gospel on the street corner, you know, according to the word of God. Like, I don't remember if he brought up any passages or not, but that's biblically accurate. Like, you've been saved and called with a holy calling in Christ Jesus before the world began. That's God's got a plan for your life. That's what that is. You see what I'm saying? So we just don't know where we're at in the process. Okay, we're on the Jeremiah 18, 11 and 12. I got it. Now, therefore, go to speak to the men of Judah and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, saying, thus saith the Lord. Behold, I frame evil against you. He goes to great lengths to say this, too, to make sure everybody knows he's the one doing it. Because, you know, sometimes people say, oh, no, God doesn't do anything evil to people. You know how people say that?
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David
It sure does.
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Timothy
Yeah. He says, I frame evil against you. I'm the one doing this. And devise a device against you. Return, which means repent. Repent you. Now, everyone from his evil way. Like, this is the whole issue. Return or repent from your evil way and make your Ways and your doings good. And they said, there's no hope, but we will walk after our own devices and we will. Everyone do the imagination of his evil heart. This is getting clearer and clearer, right like that. This is the nature of man to just do his own way, even when he thinks it's good. Okay, 23, 16, and 17.
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David
Thus saith the Lord of hosts. Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you. They make you vain. They speak a vision of their own heart and not out of the Lord's mouth.
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Timothy
Watch how these guys. Watch how these false prophets take advantage of people. Verse 17.
- [57:48]
David
They say, still unto them that despise.
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Timothy
Me, so people that despise God, they say, no, no, still, still peace, everything's cool. Yeah. Don't know. There's no hell. Everything's cool, man. Don't worry about it.
- [57:58]
David
The Lord has. The Lord hath said, ye shall have peace. And they say unto everyone that walketh after the imagination of his own heart, no evil shall come upon you, bro.
- [58:07]
Timothy
This is. This was already written out before you even started talking to me about whether hell's real or not. This was all already written out. This wasn't like any. It wasn't like, we heard about that yesterday and then we wrote this like, this has been written out for a couple days. It's just. It is interesting, the timing. Like, this is what fake prophets do. They tell everybody. No, no, everything's good. They say, still unto them that despise me, the Lord has said, you'll have peace. And they say to everyone that walks after the imagination of his own heart, not those who have repented, died to self, been born again, and given their life to God. No, he doesn't tell them it's okay. He's telling people that haven't done that that everything's okay and no evil will come upon you. Don't let anybody tell you evil will come upon you. That's what they're saying. This is nothing new, bro. This is nothing new. It's just funny that the video came out for the Kirk Cameron guy. Like, it's just. It's just funny.
- [58:58]
David
I don't want to trash Kirk Cameron. I feel like he's asking a question, but.
- [59:01]
Timothy
Yeah, because what if he was just. I didn't see it. That's what I said. So.
- [59:05]
David
Yeah, it feels like he's just asking a question.
- [59:08]
Timothy
I respect that. Then I think that's cool. And I think he's doing it with his kid. I think somebody told me that, like, it's him and his kid doing it, and it's, like, cool. They're, like, having a discussion. So I. I don't know. I don't know what he said. I just know what you sent me. Okay, Philippians 2, 19 and 21. Because I know people are like, oh, this is all Old Testament. All right, let's go.
- [59:27]
David
But I trust in the Lord Jesus to send Timothy shortly unto you that I also may be of good comfort when I know your state. For I have no man like minded who will naturally care for your state.
- [59:40]
Timothy
What? Dude, this is Paul speaking. He says, bro, there's nobody left. Here we are today. We think everybody who says they're a Christian is a Christian. Paul in the early church says, dude, there's nobody left.
- [59:51]
David
For all seek their own. Not the things which are. Jesus Christ.
- [59:54]
Timothy
Boom. All seek their own. That's what we're getting at. This is not a new thing. And Demas is an example. Remember, we listed Demas a couple weeks ago because Demas was Paul's guy and he was hanging with him for a while, and then he forsook him because he loved the present world more. Right? Because people love self. All right, John 3, 16, 21. We know all the. This is one of the passages the fake church loves. Not that I don't love this passage, too. I do, too. But I'm just saying they put this 316 on, like, hats and T shirts and bumper stickers and coffee cups. For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish but have everlasting life. I'm not a Greek scholar, but they say that that word in the Greek is the continuous present tense. So what it really says is, for God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever goes on believing in him should not perish but have everlasting life. Which is interesting, because John goes on in this letter to say the reason he wrote this letter is so that believers would go on believing. He. That. That's why. That's very intriguing to me, if that is. Like I said, I'm not a Greek scholar, but if that's accurate, that it means to him that goes on believing. It's very consistent with John saying, I wrote this letter so that believers would go on believing.
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David
I mean, we just read about Israel forgetting constantly.
- [61:16]
Timothy
So constant.
- [61:17]
David
Yeah.
- [61:18]
Timothy
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through him, might be saved. So if you don't go through him. The world's not saved. The world through him might be saved. He that believes on him is not condemned, but he that believes not is condemned already because he had not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation that light is coming to the world. And men love darkness rather than light because their deeds were evil. This is the crux of it, man. Because everyone that does evil hates the light. Neither comes to the light lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that does truth comes to the light that his deeds may be made manifest that they are wrought in God. You see that like, this is it, man. If you love your own way, you don't come to Jesus because Jesus says, this is the way. He says, I am the way, the truth and the life. You say, no, no, no, I want to do things my way. I want to do my own ungodly lust. That's how, that's how we started in this whole thing. Walking after their own lust. Walking after their own ungodly lust. That said in verse 16 and verse 18 of Jude, that's how we're here. We're talking about people just want to walk the way of their own life. They don't want to repent and give their life to Jesus.
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David
In a, in a previous scripture, I think it was Timothy describing this sort of new age concept where they're tempting woman. But it reminds me of the idea of ego death or these, these kind of like loose lipped preachers or prophets that are telling the woman these things that they want to hear. But ego death will go to this new age kind of thought. And ego death is sort of the same thing that we're talking about here. It's like you have to die unto yourself in order to fully accept Christ. Then they mimic that. They've done this like inversion of that with their own thing.
- [63:00]
Timothy
I don't know enough about it, but yeah, I could see that.
- [63:02]
David
It's disgusting. It's, it's. I mean it has to do with the psychedelic movement, all this stuff.
- [63:06]
Timothy
This is a thing, dude. Biblical principles work, man. So that's why you find like so many fake ass Christian businessmen because they know biblical principles will lead to prosperity. Like, like, like that, like that's what's happening, dude, is they're hijacking plain teachings from the scriptures and applying it to money making. And it's working because biblical principles work. So you see that across the board with anything. Yeah, with any death to ego death. Sure. That's probably going to help people in life to live a better life. I don't know. You can take, like, any of these, any of these principles that are, like, Biblical unity is a biblical principle. Like, if you can get a team together and create unity, like, that's going to work, that's going to do good. But, like, if you're just using it, you're just hijacking it for benefit and gain in this realm, you're of all men most miserable. Like, that's the worst thing a human could do. All right, we're in Isaiah 53, which, you know, a couple weeks ago we talked about. John 17 was like, some of the most holy ground in all of scripture. Like, this is. This is. This is right there with it. Who hath believed our report? Into whom is the arm of the Lord revealed? For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant and as a root out of a dry ground. He had no form nor comeliness. And when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. So this. So this is talking about the Messiah. This is talking about Jesus.
- [64:33]
David
A lot of people think that this. He had no. He has no comeliness. They think that. They say, well, Jesus was ugly then. I don't know if that's what this means.
- [64:41]
Timothy
I don't know if he's necessarily ugly. He just seems very common. So, like, like, think about when he. When he starts casting out demons and the people in the synagogue are like, yo, what is this new doctrine? Isn't this the carpenter? Like, he lived in such a little town. He wasn't like a carpenter. He was the carpenter. But they were like, there was no context that, like, he was this religious guru or the leader of a religious movement. He was just so common of a man that they were like, what is happening here? How is this dude casting out demons? He. He had no former comeliness. He didn't look kingly. He didn't look like a big shot in any way. He was just such a common man. I mean, it's intriguing. He didn't get killed. If you look back at, like, Matthew 1 or 2, whenever Herod kills all the babies to try to kill off Jesus. So he's like the only one around that's his age. So in that sense, he's different. But, like, he just. He was so common of a man that people didn't even recognize him as being the Messiah. And that. And that's what Isaiah said ahead of time. He's despised and rejected a man, a man of sorrows. In acquainted with grief. And we hid, as it were, our faces from him. He was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he hath borne our griefs and carried our sorrows. This is heavy, bro. Surely he hath borne my grief and carried my sorrow. Yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God and afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions. He was bruised for our iniquities. The chastisement of our peace was upon him. And with his stripes, we are healed. This is the crux of it, man. All we, like sheep, have gone astray. We have turned everyone to his own way. And the Lord had laid on him the iniquity of us all. Bro. This is a big deal, man. Man going his own way is what caused Jesus to take this penalty at the cross. Man going his own way. That's it. Not rape and murder. Not like all the bad sins. All we, like sheep, have gone astray. We've all just gone our own way. And because of that, all we, like sheep, have gone astray. We've turned everyone to his own way. And the Lord has laid on Jesus the sin of us all, that sin of going our own way, saying, God, I can do it without you. That's how he brought us back. That was the only way he could bring us back.
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David
I tried that.
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Timothy
What do you mean? You know, just going your own way.
- [67:05]
David
Do my own thing.
- [67:06]
Timothy
Okay. Isaiah 55, 6, and 7. Seek the Lord while he may be found. Call upon him while he is near. Let the wicked forsake his way. Sorry. And the unrighteous man his thoughts. And let him return unto the Lord, and he will have mercy upon him and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon. That's all this is speaking about. Man is. Is coming back to God. Not determining for yourself what's right and wrong, but coming to God and letting him do that. You say, like, how did this all start? Good question. We got to go back to the garden. We got to go back to the garden. Are we okay on time? No, I know how you get. You're like, oh, podcast can only be 30 minutes.
- [67:46]
David
Genesis 2. 7. And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.
- [67:54]
Timothy
Okay, hang on. So you got a dirt man. The Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground. So that's the dirt man. That's what we call the dirt man, like the physical man. The Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground. And Then breathed into his nostrils the breath of life. That's spirit, right? The spirit of God. You know, like the passage that says in John 1, Jesus Christ is the light that lights every man that comes into the world. This is the breath of God went into Adam and that combination created a soul. Right. In the Thessalonian letter, Paul says, I pray that God sanctify you completely. Spirit, soul and body. It looks like the combination of that dirt man and the spirit man breathed into him, that combination creates a living soul. My understanding is, like, the soul is the decider that, like, the soul is the one that decides, are we going to go the flesh way, or are we going to go the spirit way? Walk in the spirit so you don't fulfill the lust of the flesh. You have something inside you that's able to make that decision. My understanding, like, that's our soul.
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David
So you're saying the soul is the regulator that goes this way or that way.
- [68:54]
Timothy
That's how I understand it. I know there's people who don't understand it that way, and I'm not starting a new denomination based on that, but I think, yeah, the soul is like the mind, will and emotions, it's been called. So, yeah, it's like the place where decisions get to be made. The spirit clearly wants spiritual things.
- [69:10]
David
It's going to be filled with something, filled with the Holy Spirit or something else. And the body is.
- [69:14]
Timothy
The flesh clearly wants other things. The soul is almost neutral. You can't really say that because the soul is wicked, too, because it's just until it's. Until we're born again, right? I don't know. It's a lot to unpack. I wasn't really planning to unpack it. But, yeah, to me, it's the soul that makes those decisions in life. Am I going to go. It's my will. Am I going to do an extra set in the gym? Am I going to get more fruit trees planted? Am I going to study harder on this? It's our soul that's got to make those decisions. The spirit always wants what the spirit wants, which is good. Remember, the spirit and the flesh lust and fight and war against one another. The soul decides, are we going to go this way? Are we going to go this way? And then you see times in the Psalms, like, where David's, like, commanding his soul, where he's letting his spirit take preeminence. Because we talk about Daniel where it said he had an excellent spirit, and that meant he had a preeminent spirit. Like, his spirit was the dominant force of his being. Anyway, it looked. This is the man he's formed. This is Adam. He's spirit, soul and body. And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight and good for food. The tree of life also in the midst of the garden. And the tree of knowledge of good and evil. All right, we're going to jump to verse 15. And the Lord God took the man and put him into the Garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it. That means to work it and to guard it. So even before the curse, man is working, right? Work is good. Like the New Testament says, if a man doesn't work, he doesn't eat. Like man is supposed to be working. He's put in the garden before the curse to work it and to guard it, right? Which of course, you know, begs the question, guard it against what? Like, what else is out there? I thought we were told this Adam and Eve story, like they're the only two things in the universe. So he's put there to guard it and work it. And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, of every tree of the garden, you may freely eat. I don't know. There's an interesting thing in this. With like grace and law. Almost like grace is like, everything's yours, Adam, but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shall not eat of it. So there's some law here too. There's like some grace, there's some law. You can touch everything, you can have everything here, just not that tree right there. Because in the day you eat thereof, you shall surely die. Now we just read how man is made of spirit, soul and body. So dying may mean something different than what we could fully comprehend here. And the Lord God said, it is not good that the man should be alone. Because some people say, oh, Adam didn't die right when he ate it, his spirit did. I jumped the gun a little bit on that, but I just want to kind of make that clear. The Lord God said, it is not good that the man should be alone. I will make him a help meet. Because when man is separated from God, that's death. So his spirit now is separated from God.
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David
Where man separated from man, it's. It's a layer of. It seems like a layer of death. Like we were talking about the solitary confinement. Seems like Adam was in that.
- [72:11]
Timothy
Well, not yet. Not yet. We jumped the gun, like I said. But I'm just saying, because some people read that, they go, well, yeah, that's weird, because Then he does eat of it and he doesn't die. No. That's where like, that's why we have to be born again now, because we're born with this dead spirit. But of the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, thou shall not eat of it, for in the day that you eat thereof, you shall surely die. And the Lord God said, it's not good that the man should be alone. I'll make him a help meet for him a helper. And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field and every foul of the air. Remember, in chapter one, he makes all the animals first, then he makes man on day six. Well, in this story, he's already made man. And now he's making the animals every foul of the air and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them. And whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof. And Adam gave names to all cattle into the fowl of the air, but to every beast of the field, Adam gave names to all cattle and to the fowl of the air and to every beast of the field. But for Adam, there was not found a help meet for him. And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall on Adam. And he slept. And he took one of his ribs and closed up the flesh instead thereof in the rib which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman and brought her unto the man. And Adam said, this is now bone of my bone and flesh of my flesh. She shall be called woman because she was taken out of man. Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife, and they shall be one flesh. So if Adam said that, where did he get that concept if him and Eve were the only two people on the planet, if they're the only two people around, like, where did he even get this concept that, like, a man will leave his father and mother and cleave unto his wife? But also, imagine this dude's walking around, he's got no chick, he's got no female. He sees the animals, like, doing their thing, and he's got no flesh, there's no woman. And then God brings him this woman. Can you imagine? He's like, now this is bone in my bone and flesh in my flesh. You see how, like, jacked he is? Like, how excited he is? Like, no way. Thank you, God.
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David
He probably, like, I don't know, speculation, but probably saw the other animals, how they do they can reproduce. He's like, this thing is like, me we can make more. These are the rules. This is what should be done with it. Like, immediately gets it. It's kind of cool.
- [74:11]
Timothy
Yeah. And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed. Now, the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, yeah, if God said, you shall not eat at every tree of the garden. Of course, this begs the question, what is Adam doing? Right? Like, why is the serpent talking to Eve? Adam's already been commanded to guard the garden. How is the serpent just having this open conversation with Eve? We don't know, but it's intriguing. That C S Lewis book in the space trilogy, it's the second one, I think. It's called Perlandria. I forget the name of it. But anyway, it's an Adam and Eve story on another planet. And it's hard, dude. It goes Hard by CS Lewis, but you don't know it until you're like, halfway through the story. You're like, no way. This is an Adam and Eve story on another planet. It's intriguing, though, because the way C.S. lewis unpacks it, this interaction between Eve and the serpent figure in that book, it doesn't take place one afternoon. It takes place over, like, weeks, months, I don't know, maybe years. And his. His argument with her, his line of argument is like, no, no, God wants you to do this. And she's like, no, no, he told us not to. He's like, yeah, yeah, but he wants you to know. He wants you to figure this out on your own.
- [75:19]
David
Well, yeah, there's a. There's an argument I've heard people make. Like a serpent approached this woman and started talking to her, and she wasn't, like, off put by it. She had a conversation with him. So, like, this probably has happened a number of times. They've had interaction.
- [75:32]
Timothy
But his argument wasn't like, disobey God. It was like, no, no, God wants you to do this. Remember, the scripture says Eve was deceived. Right, Eve was deceived. It's just intriguing because like I said in the C.S. lewis book. I'm not saying in the scripture, I'm just saying in the C.S. lewis book, he unpacks this over, like, weeks or months or years. You don't really know. It's this ongoing thing. And his argument is like, no, no, God wants you to do this. He wants you to figure this out on your own without him telling you to and that. And instead of just obeying God, she goes down that Line of thought. And the woman said unto the serpent, we may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden, but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God has said, you shall not eat of it, neither shall you touch it, lest you die. Which I don't know. I feel like Adam was like, eve, Eve, yo, don't even touch it. Because. Because God doesn't give that command to Adam. He just says, you can't eat of it. But I could see Adam saying, eve, we can't eat of that. Because it looks like the only way Eve knows about this is Adam must have explained it to her. So if Adam was like, eve, like, you can't eat it. Like, don't even touch it. I like that. Like, don't. Like, don't even give this thing a chance to go off the rails, Eve.
- [76:40]
David
Well, if that's the. If that's the explanation, though, this is where I think the modern church fails, where they explain to you, don't even touch this thing. And then people go, well, why? And there's really no good explanation as to why. And then they go and touch it.
- [76:52]
Timothy
What kind of stuff? Just sin.
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David
You're saying, like, I mean, a lot of esoteric things like the. The Nephilim, the stuff that we get into on the show. The church is very much like, don't even touch it. Don't look at that. And it's like, well, people go, why? And then they get into it, and there's no. There's no good explanation from the church.
- [77:10]
Timothy
Yeah, we know that from our parents when they say, because I said so right then. Now you're just very intrigued to get to the bottom of it. Fair point. So maybe Adam failed by doing it that way. And the serpent said unto the woman, you shall not surely die, for God knows that in the day you eat thereof, then your eyes will be open, and you shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food and that it was pleasant to the eyes and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof and did eat. And gave also under her husband with her, and he did eat. And the eyes of them both were open, and they knew that they were naked. And they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves aprons, and they heard the voice of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day. And Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God amongst the trees of the garden. And the Lord God called unto Adam and said, where are you? This is God, man. He says, bro, where are you? And he said, I heard your voice in the garden. I was afraid because I was naked and I hid myself. This is a big question we should always ask ourselves. God said, who told you that? Who? Where did you hear that? Who told you you were naked? Did you eat of the tree that I told you not to eat from? I think God was trying to tell him, like, bro, I know you and I love you, and I watched you this whole time, and I know you don't like this feeling of fear. All of a sudden, Adam has this feeling of fear. God's saying, I want you to know why you have this feeling of fear. You were never supposed to have this feeling. And I know you don't like it. And I love you, little guy. God's like, talking to me like, I love you, little guy. But, like, you have to unpack this. Why do you have this feeling called fear now? Like what? Like, all of a sudden, man has fear. He says, I want to make sure you understand where you got this. You got this feeling of fear from disobedience. Did you eat from the tree I told you not to eat from?
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David
Where does the judgment come, though? This is what we were talking about a couple weeks ago with the angels. Watch. I guess you'll keep reading.
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Timothy
I wasn't gonna. I was just gonna go to 11. Oh, what do you mean we can keep reading?
- [79:13]
David
Yeah, I keep reading.
- [79:14]
Timothy
Judgment on Adam or judgment on Eve, or judgment on the serpent. Because there's kind of all of them. Okay. And the man said, the woman that you gave me, she gave me the tree. And I don't think it's like. I know the chat's gonna be like, my wife, but I don't think it's like, this is just him throwing it off. I think he's like, God, like, you. Like, you saw me the day you gave her to me.
- [79:34]
David
Sounds like he's blaming God.
- [79:36]
Timothy
No, I think he's just having a conversation. That's how I read it, man. I'm like, if this happened to me, I don't know. I think I would want to have a conversation with God. Like, God, you gave me the wife. Like, you. You of all people know how much I love her, Lord. Like, you gave her to me. Yeah, but like, that sentence, and I know it's bad. I know you told me not to, but I just looked at it, like, wherever she's going, I'm going with her. God, I'm sorry.
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David
This sentence should say, the woman gave me of the tree and I did eat. But it says the woman whom you gave me.
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Timothy
Okay, but you can emphasize you. That's fine. The woman who you gave me, maybe.
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David
You gave me maybe seems like blame.
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Timothy
I don't know if I'm saying that. I'm saying, God, it's the woman you gave me. Like. Like you saw how I was the day you gave her to me, that woman. You know, you gave her to me and she was so special to me. Especially because you gave her to me and I love her. And. And you said, we're gonna die. And I just couldn't imagine her dying alone. I was gonna go with her. God, I know what was wrong. I'm not saying it was right. I'm just telling you this is what happened. I think that's important. I mean, mankind didn't just get destroyed right there, dude. You see what I'm saying? Like, thank God he didn't just go in rebellion. Like, just full on rebellion. This story could have went a lot of different ways, dude. So I don't know. I don't know. I tend to look at it like he's having this heart to heart with God, man. He's like, God, you gave me this chick. Like, you know how much I love her.
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David
I'm just saying, I think. I think before that sentence there, there might have been a way for Adam to be like, you know, you could, you can stay, just understand what you did here. There's like a repurchase. But sure, I think the blaming, the blaming is what God was like, okay, good, you made your decision. Now, now you've got to go. But he doesn't even judge him here yet. There's a scripture. And then he goes, the Lord God.
- [81:13]
Timothy
Said unto the woman, what is this that you've done? And the woman said, the serpent beguiled me. And I know people make this, like. Like we're watching the Simpsons. They make this, like, character out of this or whatever. Adam blames Eve, Eve blames the serpent. Like, whatever, whatever, man. Like, I don't. I don't know that we have any grid for this. You're talking about two people who just fell from life before the curse. I don't. We don't. Are they. There's their bodies in shock. Like, like all of a sudden they're aware that they're naked. They never even were aware that they were naked before, dude. Who knows what they fell from? So again, this is another story where I don't just want to bash Bible characters. I don't just want to bash Adam and Eve.
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David
Yeah.
- [81:49]
Timothy
Like. Like, that's not my thing, man. I'm like, yeah, I don't know. What if I made the same mistake? Yeah. I might have the same conversation with God. It might look like this. I might be like, God, you gave me the wife, man. I know it was wrong, but I loved her so much. I made a mistake. I made a mistake, God.
- [82:04]
David
And then just the next verse is really what I'm talking, so. And then he said unto the serpent, because thou has done this, thou are cursed above all cattle and above every beast of the field. Upon thy belly, thou shalt go in the dust. Thou shall eat the rest of their life. It's just like he's talking to the human beings, but with the Elohim, with the. With the entities, like, you're immediately judged. Like there's nothing. There's not even talking here. You're just judged.
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Timothy
Yeah, it's.
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David
It's crazy, because you should know better.
- [82:29]
Timothy
Yeah, that's.
- [82:30]
David
This is kind of like my impotence for that. I. That argument.
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Commercial Announcer
That.
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Timothy
I respect that. But notice that dust. Remember, man's made of the dust. If you live in the flesh, your free game to the serpent. Dust shall you eat all the days of your life. He gives the serpent that. Yeah, that dude I just made out of the dust. When he lives in the flesh, you'll be able to terrorize that flesh. That dust is your food. And I will put enmity between you and the woman, in between your seed and her seed. It shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel. Unto the woman, he said, I'll greatly multiply your sorrow and your conception and sorrow. You will bring forth children, and your desire shall be to your husband, and he'll rule over you and unto Adam. And said, because you've hearkened unto the voice of your wife and eaten of the tree of which I commanded you, saying, you shall not eat of it. Cursed is the ground. Remember, the serpent is cursed. Adam doesn't get cursed. The ground gets cursed. Cursed is the ground because of you, Adam. Cursed is the ground. For your sake, in sorrow, you shall eat of it all the days of your life. Now it's going to bring forth thorns and thistles. Okay, we went a little too far. I don't want to go way off the rails. Because we could unpack that another time in another place. Because we didn't do that passage any justice. We didn't do that passage any justice. If we really wanted to unpack it other than to say this, you determining for yourself what's good and evil, right and wrong is the essence of sin. We've just read this entire thing. Walking after their own, less after their own lust. Every man does that which is right in his own eyes. There's a way that seems right to man, but the end thereof is death. We've unpacked all of this. It all goes back to the garden. It all goes back to the garden where Satan said, no, no, you can determine for yourself what's right and wrong. You determine the knowledge of good and evil, whereas before that they trusted God for that. And that's all we're getting back to. When we're born of the Spirit, that's all we're getting back to. When we turn to Christ, we're saying, I'm not going to determine for myself anymore what's right and wrong. That's not what I'm doing anymore. I'm fully laying my life at your feet, Lord. Like, whatever you say is good and evil, I'm going to do that which we know the world laughs at that and mocks that. I get it. They're like, oh, so you just have blind faith and whatever the Bible tells you, you're just gonna go by it? Yeah, yeah. It's not blind faith, but yeah, I've seen enough to know that, like, I trust God, I'm with God. I've cultivated this relationship. It's called faith. Cultivated this thing with him to where I'm able to trust him completely with my soul for all eternity, my wife's soul for all eternity, my children's souls for all eternity. I trust him with all my descendants for all eternity. I've come to the conclusion that, yeah, he's worthy of that. Do you see what I'm saying? I'm not going to determine what's good and evil anymore. I'm with the Lord. Whatever he tells me through his word, I'm with that. Do you see what I'm saying? So all of this comes back to walking after their own lust. And this is why we have to repent any teaching, you see, like biblically teaching that you're just going to have faith without repentance. It's not biblical, man. This is exactly why we have to repent. This is exactly why. Because otherwise every man will do that which is right in his own eyes, even if he checks the box when they put the thing and say, are you Buddhist, Muslim, Hindu, whatever? And you check Christianity, it doesn't matter if you just check that box. But you're still just living, doing whatever is right in your own eyes and not living in obedience to God. That's not Christianity. Okay, so that's a lot. We're just trying to get through 16 through 19.
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David
Are we gonna do it?
- [86:03]
Timothy
Are we?
- [86:04]
David
Yeah, probably.
- [86:07]
Timothy
All right. There's a lot here, man. All right, verse 19. Look what it says in verse 19. These dudes are sensual, having not the spirit. Okay, so what do these guys do? Well, it says in verse 16 they speak great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage, because of profit, because of personal gain. Like, do you see what it's saying? It's. I don't. This needs to be taught, man. Like, it's saying these dudes have, like, this spirit of a straight ass kisser, just telling people stuff they want to hear, like, for personal gain. Do you know you could get in the pulpit and say the stuff that people want to hear for personal gain. That's like, it's so plain. It says it so plainly. Like, it's so plain. And so if you have a congregation living in the flesh and you're saying things that they love, like, that's exactly what's happening. Men's persons and admiration because of advantage. Remember, this is talking about, like, reputation, man's reputation. Like. Like you care about man's reputation and how you're going to get gain from guys with good reputation. James 2, 19 exactly deals with this.
- [87:28]
David
My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons, with respect.
- [87:35]
Timothy
Of persons because of their reputation. Remember Leonard Ravenhill used to say, reputation is what man thinks about you. Character is what God knows about you. Carry that. Carry that with you.
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David
Because if there come unto you assembly a man, if they come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring in goodly apparel, and there come in also a man poor in vile, vile raiment, and you have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing. And say unto him, sit down here in a good place and say to the poor, stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool. Are you not then partial in yourselves and are become judges of evil thoughts?
- [88:18]
Timothy
He's saying, dude, if you treat the rich guy better than the poor guy, you're wicked. That's wrong. You're having men's persons in admiration because of advantage. You're saying, oh, this will be good for our little congregation. We'll bring the rich guy in. Yeah, the poor guy. Yeah, yeah. Tell him to sit over to the side. He says, that's wicked and evil. Do you see what I'm saying? The Bible's strictly against people that act like that. They're concerned with what people think instead of what God thinks for personal gain, right? He's saying that's wicked and evil. When you have respect of people because of their worldly status, and then you don't have respect to the guy that doesn't have worldly status, that's wicked and evil. Let's look at 1 Sam 15:19 through 30. We're so close to the end. We're so close.
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David
Wherefore? Wherefore then? Did is thou not obey the voice of the Lord, but did his fly upon the spoil, and did its evil in. In the sight of the Lord?
- [89:12]
Timothy
Okay, hang on. The context of this. I know we read it last week or the week before, because we've brought up this passage before where Saul is supposed to kill off all the Amalekites, and he doesn't. He lives in disobedience. So Samuel's kind of coming to him now, and he's rebuking Saul. He's saying, wherefore then, did you not obey the voice of the Lord, but did fly upon the spoil and did evil in the sight of the Lord? You're supposed to kill off everything, and you left some of it here in Saul. If you don't kill off the things you're supposed to kill off, they're going to come back and kill you and Saul, which. That ends up happening in the life of Saul. It's kind of intriguing. And Saul said unto Samuel, yea, I've obeyed the voice of the Lord. That's a lie. And have gone the way which the Lord has sent me, and have brought Agag, the king of Amalek, and have utterly destroyed the Amalekites. And he didn't. He didn't do what he was supposed to do. He. He brought back the king of Amalek, but the people took of the spoil. Uh, oh. Oh, the people. Here we go.
- [90:10]
David
Do you think that this was Saul's major sin again, like you've been accused of something. There's a chance here to repent. But then you put this on the people that are subservient to you. Your wife, that's subservient to you. Is that the sin? Is that where that, like, judgment is cast? I don't know.
- [90:26]
Timothy
I mean, he's toast no matter what. He disobeyed God. Watch how the story unfolds. But I'm just saying, concern for the thoughts of the people. I'm tracking with what you're saying and comparing it to the Garden of Eden. I don't know if I agree with that or not, but I'm just saying, like, in this context. Just track with like. His concern is not God, it's the people. But the people took of the spoil sheep and oxen, the chief of the things which should have been utterly destroyed. To sacrifice unto the Lord thy God. That's the excuse. Now the main concern is the people instead of God. Remember, men's persons in admiration because of advantage. No concern if God is going to judge you for this. Only concern with, like, what profit am I going to gain by telling people what they want to hear? And Samuel said, has the Lord as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the Lord. Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice and to hearken than the fat of rams. Because rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft. Rebellion is as evil as any sin, including witchcraft. And stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because you have rejected the word of the Lord, he has also rejected you from being king. We don't have any clue, like, we have no concept of exactly how far Saul fell here. This is one of the greatest falls in mankind's history. And Saul said unto Samuel, I've sinned, for I've transgressed the commandment of the Lord in thy words. Because I feared the people. This is what I keep. This is what I'm driving at. So I'm driving at, like, the concern of what people think is driving people into the ground. Can you read a little bit, dude, My throat is, like, raw.
- [92:02]
David
Because I feared the people and obeyed their voice. Now, therefore, I pray thee, pardon my sin and turn again with me that I may worship the Lord. And Samuel said, on the soul, I will not return with thee, for thou has rejected the word of the Lord and the Lord hath rejected thee from being king over Israel. It's harsh, man.
- [92:21]
Timothy
This is hard, bro. Anywhere where you see Israel and God is not their king. Instead, it's like man made leadership. You just see Israel going off the rails. And the same thing applies to the church.
- [92:32]
David
I will say, man, house of David. This scene here, biblically accurate. And the. The actors that portray it, fantastic. You should watch that. And as Samuel turned about to go away, he laid hold upon the skirt of his mantle and it rent. And Samuel said unto him, the Lord hath rent the kingdom of Israel from thee this day and hath given it to a neighbor of thine that is better than thou. And also. And also, the strength of Israel would not lie or repent.
- [93:03]
Timothy
That's a. That's a reference to God, the strength of Israel. He's saying, God will not lie nor repent, for he's not a man that he should repent. Dude, watch what this dude said. He just got everything taken from him, dude. He got everything taken from him. He's been disobedient to God. Samuel shows Saul very plainly. You've disobeyed God and he's taking the kingdom from you now because of this. Watch his concern in verse 30. Then he said, I have sinned, yet honor me now. I pray thee before the elders of my people and before Israel, and turn again with me that I may worship the Lord thy God.
- [93:36]
David
It's like, just make me look good in front of the people, bro.
- [93:41]
Timothy
So I think we have this mindset that, like, people who think like that, that's only in, like, junior high and high school. Like, I remember thinking that. I remember thinking like, oh, yeah, that's the thing people grow out of. Like, when you're a grown up, you don't. You don't care what everybody thinks. No, dude, that's like people's whole life. Grown ups, old people. There's this weird thing in humanity that they just are so concerned with what people think instead of God.
- [94:02]
David
This is politics, man.
- [94:04]
Timothy
Okay, but we. We're concerned with it in the church. We know the world's like that. Our only concern is in the church, where you see the church worried about what people think. This is a problem. It's politics in the church, you're saying?
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David
Yeah.
- [94:17]
Timothy
Yeah. Do you want to unpack that a little bit?
- [94:20]
David
I think that's a downfall of it. It's. It's structured like the government. So when it. When it's structured like that, you play politics. And when you play politics, it looks like this. It looks like King Saul. It looks like what we see on the world stage. It's disgusting. It's immature. It's garbage. That's why people reject it.
- [94:35]
Timothy
Amen, brother. Okay, watch this. Dude. This is. This is so crazy, too. We're getting so close to the end. This is John 12, verse 42. Nevertheless, among the chief rulers, also many believed on Jesus. But because of the Pharisees, that organized religious institution that claimed to represent him, like we're talking about, but because of the Pharisees, they did not confess him. That's Jesus. Lest they should be put out of the synagogue, they were so desperate to still remain a Part of that system, because what's it going to look like in society? What's it going to look like to everybody if I'm not part of that system? I'm afraid to walk away from that system because what will people think of me?
- [95:19]
David
You'll be a pilgrim and a stranger.
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Timothy
Because they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God. I'm telling you, bro, this love of the praise of man. What's the passage in Proverbs? It says that, like, it says something to the extent of, like, flattering a man is like spreading a net for his feet. Like, I'm telling you, dude, the people who just want the praise of humans. And I see it, so I see it, like, so much now, just talking with you guys and the people with the followers and the people with the tweets and the retweets and, like, the things that people say in return in the comments and all the stuff. Like, I get it, I get it. I. This is probably a time period. This is probably a time and a day where all of this context is on steroids, man. Because, like, you can get so much praise of man from, like, the social media world and the comments and the tweeters. Like, you get all this stuff. Look how dangerous this is, man. This is church people. Nevertheless, among the chief rulers. These are people who are leaders in the church of that day. Many of them believed they saw the life of Jesus. They're like, dude, he's the one. This is the Messiah. Even knowing that because of the Pharisees, they did not confess him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue. Why? Why would they do that? Because they love the praise of man more than the praise of God. I'm just saying this is danger. This is the danger zone. If you've ever watched Top Gun and it says highway to the danger zone, that's that, dude. This is the danger zone. All right, we're back to Jude 117 and 18, and then we're. And then we're wrapping up. We're wrapping up. But beloved, remember you the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ. Remember, Jude has referenced Enoch. He's referenced the story of Cain and Abel, fallen angels, Israel in general, Balaam, Sodom and Gomorrah, Korah. Like, he's referenced a lot of Old Testament stuff, if you will. Now he's referencing New Testament apostles. Right?
- [97:14]
David
In a way, man, this book is perfect for this show because it. It is this show. It's like referencing almost every book of the Bible throughout it in one chapter.
- [97:24]
Timothy
I know, but this is what I'm saying. If you're not like some super smart guy, you have to do that. You know what I mean? Like, people who are intellectuals that haven't submitted their intellect to the Holy Spirit, they can just have one or two verses and talk for an hour. Like, I don't. I can't do that. I can't do it. Like, all I got is keep referencing these passages to make it make sense. That's all I got. You see what I'm saying? Like, in a certain way, I'm super grateful that I was just born super stupid. And I know you think that's like, I'm joking or whatever, but like I told you, before I moved to Florida, I didn't know there was no mountains in Florida. Like, I never would have moved to Florida if I knew there was no mountains. Like, I literally. The day I figured that out, I was on a job site and I was like, yo, this is a deal breaker. I'm moving. But then I met Jess. So I stayed in Florida. Florida. Like, I was so stupid.
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David
Bro, you're a dangerous.
- [98:09]
Timothy
I wouldn't go that far. But I'm just saying that intellect kind of butchers it. But this is what everybody should be doing with the scripture, man. It's just cross referencing to paint a picture, to put the puzzle pieces together to make it make sense. Scripture by scripture, line upon line. Remember the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ. How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time who should walk after their own ungodly lust. Okay, so I think he's referencing Peter here. He's talking about the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ in 2 Peter chapter 3. Does this. Like, exactly does this exact thing in 2 Peter 3. He calls them scoffers, whereas Jude calls them mockers. It's the same Greek word. It's the same Greek word. So we're in 2 Peter 3 now. My throat is fried. Fried.
- [98:57]
David
This second epistle. Beloved, beloved, I now write unto you in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance, that ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before of the holy prophets and of the commandment of us, the apostles of the Lord and Savior, knowing this first that they shall come in the last days. Scoffers, walking after their own lust and saying, where is the promise of his coming? For since the Father fell asleep, all things.
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Timothy
Wait, wait, wait. Did I just come back right then? Did your boy last Night. Say that or whatever night that was. You sent me the thing from our boy Shane.
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David
Oh, yeah, ye. Shane.
- [99:35]
Timothy
And Shane was a gangster, bro. Just, like, going hard with the Bible passages. And the dude was saying that exact thing. The redhead guy was saying that exact thing.
- [99:44]
David
You're the sweetest. So verse three, knowing this first that they shall come in the last days. Scoffers walking after their own lusts, bro.
- [99:53]
Timothy
The redhead guy. And saying, where is the promise of his coming? The redhead guy said that? Yeah, he was like, oh, Jesus. Yeah. People been saying for 2000 years he's coming back. That dude doesn't even know it. He's fulfilling prophecy. The redhead guy's fulfilling prophecy on the show. And Shane was just like, boom, here's the scripture.
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David
Shane's a gangster.
- [100:12]
Timothy
He wrote all his stuff here at the shop for last Bohemian Grove.
- [100:15]
David
He did. And we weren't even here.
- [100:17]
Timothy
How do we get him back, bro?
- [100:19]
David
He'll come back. For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. And saying where.
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Timothy
Oh, wait, hold on, hold on. I'm gonna. Can I go real quick? I know you love reading, but this second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance. Calvin actually translates this. I stir up your mind so that it may be pure and clear. Calvin wrote some fire stuff, bro. Like, I'm like. I'm not like, with the modern guys who call themselves Calvinist. I'm not that in any way, shape or form, but, like, the writing of Calvin is fire, bro. I'm incredibly grateful for a lot of the stuff he wrote.
- [100:56]
David
You know, Calvin is. He might be one of those examples of the people where he was just trying to have, like, a conversation about something that he thought of.
- [101:03]
Timothy
Right. Intriguing you say that because he did it in response. Now, I'm not a specialist in this topic because I don't get in the weeds on this type of crap, to be honest. But it's my understanding that there was some dudes, Armenians, that said that, like, man does everything. And so Calvin, like, wrote Calvinism in response to it. Say that God does everything. And that's usually where things get wonky, dude, is where you get so irritated that a guy said this and your response. Then the pendulum just swings way back too far to this side, way back, too far. Instead of. In reality, it's always a straight gate and a narrow path. Like, the truth is usually somewhere in the middle. What happens is somebody says some outrageous heresy or whatever, whatever and then your response to it just goes so far over here. Like, for example, today I've seen where people go, people do something stupid or whatever and they try to justify it and say, oh, God told me to do this, right? And you're like, no, God didn't tell you that. Like, you sound like an idiot, right? We've all been in those scenarios where, where we're like, no, that's like you're, you're just talking foolish. The response to that, the pendulum that swings too far, is that God doesn't speak to people today. And then you see that. Like, I've seen people send me videos that say God doesn't speak to people today. And it's a guy in the pulpit. I'm like, okay, well if God doesn't speak to you, like, that's okay, but you should not be in the pulpit, then you should be a greeter at Walmart. You shouldn't be in the pulpit if he doesn't speak to you. Don't create some doctrine that says God doesn't speak to anyone because he doesn't speak to you. They're like, everything he said is in his word. Like, okay, but if his word doesn't bring you in direct living relationship to him where you can be guided by him and know him and know his voice, then throw the whole thing away. If reading the Bible doesn't lead you into a living relationship with the author, then you don't, then the Bible is useless, doesn't mean anything. If it's just a rule book for you and it's just like some black and white dead letter that you can win debates with, then you missed the whole thing, bro. You missed the whole thing. But so anyway, not to get on a tangent about the dude, Calvin, I'm just saying I'm grateful for a ton of stuff Calvin wrote, dude, but I, but a lot of times I see him contradicting what modern Calvinists say. So I don't, I don't know, it's just weird. But I like what he said. I stir up your mind so that it may be pure and clear. He's saying, I'm bringing this to your memory. So that's pure and clear. You guys need to keep hearing this, that you may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets and of the commandment of us, the apostles of the Lord and Savior, knowing this first that there shall come in the last days scoffers walking after their own lust and saying, where is the promise of his coming? So the Redhead dude is a scoffer. Biblical quickly. For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. That was his point. It's like it's always been this way. And where he. Where Peter says scoffers, Jude says mockers. It's the same Greek word for this. They willingly are ignorant of that by the word of God, the heavens were of old and the earth standing out of the water, and in the water whereby the world that then was being overflowed with water perished. But the heavens and the earth, which are now by the same word, but the heavens and the earth, which are now like the old heavens and the old earth, was destroyed. There's some debate over if this is talking about the flood of Noah or not. I don't want to get into that because then there's people who are on both sides, will tell the other side. They're idiots. But I mean, in the beginning in Genesis 1, like, the whole earth is covered in water. So it could potentially be that flood. It could be that, but it could be the flood of Noah. And it's just a common story that everybody knows, and that's why he's referencing it.
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David
So.
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Timothy
But either way, this one says the heavens and the earth which are now by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment. People aren't ready for this.
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David
Fire, you say?
- [104:48]
Timothy
But the heavens and the earth which are now by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. But beloved, be not ignorant of this. One thing that one day is with the Lord is a thousand years. In a thousand years as one day. That's a figure of speech for me personally, that just looks like a figure of speech. That doesn't look like everywhere you read in the Bible, like, one day is a thousand years. Because some people make it mean that everywhere in the Bible where you see a day, it means a thousand years. So if the Noah flood story was 40 days, that means it was 40,000 years. Like, no, it doesn't mean it's a figure of speech.
- [105:25]
David
I think it just means that time does not matter to God. He's existing outside of it.
- [105:30]
Timothy
Amen. That's all he's trying to say. He's not trying to say now use that to interpret everything in the Bible now that everywhere it says a day, it means a thousand years. He's just saying it's. Yeah, it just seemed like, hey, time to him. Doesn't matter why well, the Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness. He's not being lazy. He's not being lackadaisical. He's not, like, putting it off. He's long. He's doing this because he's long suffering to us. Not willing that anybody should perish, but that all should come to repentance. Some people can't handle that. Do you see that? It's the will of God that none should perish, but that all should come to repentance. People are not Some people are not some people. That's very easy to understand. It's like, okay, yeah, God created the earth. Man rebelled against him. He created a path for man to come back to him. Some people chose to come back to him and some people didn't. But God wishes they all would. And that's very plain. It's no problem. But some people are like, no, no, it can't mean what it clearly says. That's what it says. He's not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. No, no, no. If it's the will of God, it's going to happen. Okay, well, he just told Adam, I don't want you to touch the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. And Adam still touched it. Like, so there's God's will and he allows man to, like, go against it. Like, that just is what it is. It's very plain in the scripture. The Lord is not slack concerning his promises. Some men count slackness, but is long suffering to us. Not willing that any should die, but that all should come to repentance. That's God's will, man, that everybody would realize they've done wrong, they've gone their own way, they repent and turn to God. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night. It's going to come suddenly in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat. The earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved. What manner of persons ought you to be in all holy conversation and godliness? Think about this, man. Think about the reality that all these things will be dissolved. Are you living your life as if all these things will be dissolved? Think about that. I know you have the really cool shoes. You and the raven have, like, the coolest shoes. I know people love, like, cars.
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David
I'm taking them with me.
- [107:52]
Timothy
Fancy stuff, fancy houses, fancy beach houses, fancy Boats, all these things, food forests, dissolved. Food forest will be gone in a moment. A food forest is an easier one to understand because you have trees living and dying all the time. So that's a little bit easier. But the people with the boats and the land and the houses and all the stuff, I think it's tough for some people, the more stuff that you accumulate to be able to let go of it. But you have to always remember, which I'm not against anybody accumulating stuff. I mean, Jesus said, don't store up treasure on earth, but do store up treasure in heaven. Right. So as long as we keep that context, that's good. But all these things will be dissolved. Okay, so with that in mind, what manner of persons ought you to be in all holy conversation? Holiness is like the character of God. Like, think about the. The Holy Spirit could go by many names. He could go by the giving Spirit, the healing spirit. I mean, there's so many characteristics of the Holy Spirit. His name is the Holy Spirit. Like, that's what he goes by, the character of God. So, like, what manner of persons ought you to be, knowing that everything in the universe is going to be dissolved? Like, if you keep that context as you go about the earth in your daily life, what type of person ought you to be in holy conversation and godliness?
- [109:08]
David
Because what I think Elijah was, he's a dude that understood, like, the temporary nature of the world. So he's able to, like, be more in tune with the spiritual. I think Daniel as well, they understood that this is just kind of nonsense.
- [109:19]
Timothy
Yeah, it's just a temporary realm looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God. You know, there's a coming of the day of God. What's going to happen then? We're in the heavens. Being on fire shall be dissolved and the elements shall melt with fervent heat. You're not even tracking at, like, the craziest time right now. Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens, being on fire, shall be dissolved and the elements shall melt with fervent heat. Nevertheless, we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth wherein dwells righteousness. Wherefore, beloved, seeing that you look for such things, be diligent that you may be found of him in peace, without spot and blameless. He's just saying, man, keep this context. Everything's coming to an end. Everything's going to be dissolved. You want to talk about global warming? Yeah. Everything's going to be dissolved by fire. In account that the long suffering of our Lord is salvation. He's long suffering and waiting, waiting so that people will turn to salvation. Even as our beloved brother Paul also, according to the wisdom given unto him, hath written unto you, as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable. Rest. That's what it says in the King James, what it means like torture, pervert, or twist. Those that are unlearned and unstable, they twist as they do the other scriptures. So this is what people do. They twist and pervert and torture scriptures. He says they do this to the writings of Paul. So right here, Peter's saying the writings of Paul are scripture. They're on the same level as Old Testament or anything else. Peter verifies that the writings of Paul are scripture. And he says, yeah, there's dudes twisting what Paul's saying. Unto their own destruction.
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David
That's the dagger right there.
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Timothy
You therefore, beloved, seeing you know these things before, beware. Lest you also being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own steadfastness. Remember, he's talking to believers. You therefore, beloved, seeing you know these things before, beware. There's like a flashing warning sign. Lest you also being led away with the error of the wicked, shall fall from your own steadfastness. Now here's the solution. But grow in grace and in the knowledge of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. To him be glory, both now and forever. Amen. I'm just saying that this is the warning. The warning is beware verse 17, because you could be led away and you could fall. The solution is verse 18, grow. This is where people talk about, like, the best defense is a good offense. The Bible's always saying that we're not on our heels just trying not to be led away. We're growing in grace. We, we're growing in grace. That's what's keeping us from being deceived. That's what keeping us from being led away. That's what's keeping us from falling is because we're on the offense. We're growing in the things of God. We're pursuing God. We're not waiting for God to come after us or for good things to fall in our lap. Like, we're coming after God. We're getting up early and reading the scripture and saying, God, I'm coming after you. I'm coming after you. God, I'm going to get you this morning. And he's Saying, like, bro, you're coming after me. I'm ready. Let's go. You see what I'm saying? Like, we're coming after him, and that offense is the best defense. That's what keeps us from falling away.
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David
It's an interesting idea that as you progress towards God in like a boxing. In boxing terms, if I'm. If I am putting pressure on my opponent, I'm not letting him be offensive. But in this idea, we're going towards God, but you're only looking at God. But while you're doing that, you're putting pressure on your opponent without. I don't think that that's the goal. I don't think the goal should be to put pressure on the demonic realm. But if you do pursue God, it does that naturally, which is a very interesting idea.
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Timothy
Well, their. Their beef is with us. Like, their war is with us. They're trying to stop us, right? Like, we're going after God and they just want to stop us from that.
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David
It's almost like that they shouldn't be a consideration. Like, we should just be going towards God in effect.
- [113:27]
Timothy
Amen. That's why it's a little sketch when people focus so much on the rakes and the demons and the aliens and the this and that. Like, I get it. I get it.
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David
Yeah.
- [113:34]
Timothy
And I appreciate that. Where that overlaps with Scripture and there's understanding and we understand the bigger picture better. But the main context of what we're doing is going hard after God. Our main context isn't focusing on demons or angels or aliens or Bigfoot. Even though that's cool. That's just not our main focus. Our main focus is Christ. Watch this. This is how. This is how Jesus is going to break it down in John 15. This really is the end. This really is the end. We're going to keep it under two hours. Okay? Watch this. I am the true vine, and my father is the husbandman or the gardener or the food forester. Every branch in me. Where are the branches at in Christ? Every branch in me that bears not fruit, he takes away. Seems pretty plain. And every branch that bears fruit, he purges it that it may bring forth more fruit. So just think about this for a second. Growing includes a purging or pruning process. Growing includes a purging or like a pruning process. So if you're staying the same, that's only possible if you're dead. So you may not even know it. You say, oh, no, I've been in the church for 30 years. You're still exactly the same as 30 years ago. If you're exactly the same, that can only happen if you're dead. Because if you're growing and you're alive, you cannot remain the same. There's a purging and pruning process so that you'll bring forth more fruit.
- [115:06]
David
Do you think, again, sorry, this episode will never end. Do you think that Elisha brought forth more fruit than Elijah? It seems like Elijah is pruned and Elisha brought forth, as in his stead with his spirit. Like, is that. Is that, like, a good application to this?
- [115:21]
Timothy
I mean, potentially, they're saying that, like, he did double the amount of recorded miracles that Elijah did. I think they say that about Elisha. As far as the double portion, they say, like, his ministry was a little bit more of a. Was a little bit more full of grace and mercy than Elijah. Elijah was a little rough and hard. I don't know. I don't know. There's a lot to unpack in that. There's a lot. Like. Like some of these questions are so deep and so much to unpack and so wide to unpack.
- [115:49]
David
Because I'm not. I'm not just thinking of. Sorry. I'm not just thinking of, like, you dying to your old ways, but you dying literally. Sometimes, like, we're sent here to get the ball to a certain point and then pass it to the next guy.
- [116:04]
Timothy
Amen.
- [116:04]
David
You know what I mean?
- [116:05]
Timothy
Yeah. And that's like, a story's not about us. We're just one of the runners in the race. We're just one of the. What's it called? Where you get the baton from the last person?
- [116:11]
David
Yeah, yeah. Like a relay race.
- [116:13]
Timothy
Yeah. That's all we're in. That's all. That's all we are. We're just. We're just a player in the story. Like, we read the Bible and we go, okay, yeah, yeah, I'm part of this story. I'm part of this story. And maybe that is what it means to have your name written in the book of life. Maybe you read the scripture and, you know, yeah, I'm just part of this story. I'm in the book of life. This is the book of life, and I'm in it. I'm in it. I'm just part of the story. Yeah. I just take the baton from this side and I hand it to this side. But I got to do my part faithfully.
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David
Seems simple.
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Timothy
Yeah. Which isn't. Simple and easy are two different things, though, right? Like, simple. Yeah, Things are Simple. But that doesn't mean they're easy. Now you are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch in me cannot bear fruit of itself except it abide in the vine, no more can you, except you, abide in me. I am the vine, you are the branches. He that abides in me and I in him, the same brings forth much fruit. For without me you can do nothing. If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch and is withered. And men gather them and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. Remember, these are branches that are in him. Branches that are in him. That's verse two. Every branch in me that bears not fruit, he takes away. If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch and is withered. And men gather them and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. This keeps coming back to this. The more and more we do this study, it keeps coming back to this. Walk in the spirit so that you don't fulfill the lust of the flesh. Right. To be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Grow or die.
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David
It.