Hybridization Program | Karin Wilkinson

Summary

Nephilim Death Squad – "Hybridization Program" with Karin Wilkinson

Air date: November 11, 2025
Hosts: David Lee Corbo (“Top Lobsta”/“the Raven”) and TopLobsta
Guest: Karin Wilkinson, abduction experiencer and author

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Episode Overview

In this episode, TopLobsta and Raven dive deep with Karin Wilkinson, a prominent researcher and abductee, to explore the reality behind alien abductions, the controversial hybridization program, and the spiritual deception embedded in the modern UFO narrative. The discussion intertwines firsthand accounts, biblical analysis, and a critical look at both mainstream and fringe explanations, challenging the listener to reconsider what is often dismissed as mere psychological phenomena. The conversation is raw, personal, and unapologetically direct, providing rare insight into the lived experiences behind one of the most polarizing topics in alternative research.

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Main Topics and Key Discussion Points

1. Introduction to Karin Wilkinson and Her Work

[03:18]

• Karin introduces herself, her website (karinwilkinsonauthor.com), and her book (available at lamarzulli.com or .net).
• Stresses importance of contacting her through her website, not social media.
• Collaboration with L.A. Marzulli and Vicki Joy Anderson on exposing spiritual deception.

2. Challenging the "It's All in Your Head" Narrative

[05:01–08:03]

• Karin rebuts claims that abduction phenomena are purely psychological:

  "We have physical scars to prove what's happened to us... Our own government admits to that—they admit to the fetal, the missing fetal syndrome, they admit to people being implanted with trackers."
  (Karin Wilkinson, 06:07)

• Points to hundreds of government-released pages documenting physical effects and abductee testimonies.
• Notes victim shaming and psychological gaslighting of experiencers.

3. Abductions: Physical or Spiritual or Both?

[09:58–12:04, 10:18]

• Discusses Joseph Jordan's assertion that abductions are spiritual (“spiritual phenomenon masquerading as a physical one”) and the link between invoking the name of Jesus and ending abductions.
• Karin counters that the phenomenon is simultaneously physical and spiritual, possibly involving interdimensional entities:

  "We're dealing with entities that are different from us... multidimensional, interdimensional. They have properties we can't yet explain."
  (Karin Wilkinson, 10:18)

4. Entities and Biblical Lineages: Nephilim, Fallen Angels, and Hybrids

[12:04–14:28]

• Discussion of biblical categories: fallen angels, Nephilim, Rephaim, Gibborim.
• Karin suggests multiple types of non-human entities created by God, with hybridization resulting from Genesis 6 events:

  "When those entities ... decided that they wanted to procreate and take wives ... you get into creating the hybrid entities."

• Emphasizes limits of human knowledge and speculation based on subjective experience, biblical, and ancient texts.

5. Karin's Abduction Story: Generational, Familial, and Childhood Roots

[14:59–20:56]

• Experiences began in early childhood with missing time, encounters with “Nordic” entities (tall, blonde, blue-eyed), and severe trauma.
• Describes lack of cultural or vocabulary context in her youth—no support or resources available.
• Notes abduction phenomena often run in families, likely relating to genetic factors and possibly ancient covenants.
• Details on fetal-maternal microchimerism:

  "...when a woman is pregnant, the fetus transfers some DNA to the mother ... if you’re having an experience with a non human entity ... that stays in your system ..."
  (Karin Wilkinson, 18:54)

6. Physical Evidence & New Scientific Insights

[21:09–22:35]

• Recent studies (citing Dr. Max Rample) show genetic evidence of “foreign” DNA resulting from abductions, discrediting psychological-only explanations.
• Frustration with scientific community’s unwillingness to engage with such evidence.

7. The Mainstream UFO Disclosure Narrative vs. Spiritual Deception

[22:35–29:44]

• Deconstructs the media and pop culture portrayal of “benevolent space brothers” as predictive programming.
• Critiques attempts from official sources (Hollywood, Pentagon, New Age “Galactic Federation of Light”) to rebrand these entities as saviors:

  "Tell me, where is it OK to kidnap a four or five year old child? ... to mutilate cattle, sheep, animals, people...?"
  (Karin Wilkinson, 26:35)

• Warns of the dangers of “inviting in” entities via protocols like CE5.

8. On the Nature and Function of Grays and the Hybridization Program

[48:09–70:04]

• Grays described as biomechanical constructs—possibly inhabited by demonic spirits, functioning as disposable “suits.”
• "Walking Among Us" (David Jacobs) cited, referencing extremely human-looking hybrids.
• Massive underground and underwater facilities suggested as primary locations for hybridization programs.
• Details on the “cookie cutter” greys vs more lifelike entities.

Notable moment:

"I really think it’s just demonic entities in there. And then when I was taken, those other Grays were very lifelike, very different."
(Karin Wilkinson, 70:04)

9. Biblical and Theological Analysis

[53:32–61:35]

• Discusses distortion and co-opting of Christ's identity in the New Age and UFO communities (e.g. Jesus as a “Pleiadian”).
• Explores why invoking Jesus' name sometimes does or doesn't “work” in abduction/interdimensional encounters—rooted in true spiritual intent and “permissions.”
• Various biblical texts (e.g., Matthew 24, Book of Enoch) and stories (demons possessing pigs, Nephilim origins of demons) referenced to frame discussion.

10. The Ocean, Inner Earth, and the Source of Abductions

[82:16–91:09]

• Considers ancient and modern lore of subterranean beings (e.g., Hopi “ant people”), ocean portals, and deep Earth water discoveries.
• Cites real-world efforts and controversies, such as the deep spring found in Florida, and the idea that humanity is given only a curated version of Earth’s structure (referencing Graham Hancock’s “historical amnesia”).

11. End Times, Technological Progress, and Historical Amnesia

[95:14–99:05]

• Questions if current times are the “end times”—noting modern comfort but warning against false security.
• Correlates present-day and antediluvian technological leaps, suggesting history is cyclical in its rise toward spiritual corruption and subsequent divine intervention.
• Argues advanced technologies may be gifts/trades from non-human entities, not solely human invention.

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Memorable Quotes and Moments

• On debunking skeptics:

  "It’s not in my head. It's in my genes. It's in my blood."
  (Karin Wilkinson, 21:09)

• On the hybridization program:

  "One way to [take back the earth] is to be just human enough to have the birthright, but just alien enough to not be human."
  (Karin Wilkinson, 48:09)

• On predictive programming:

  "Just because it helps you once, doesn’t mean the next time it’s not going to hurt you... Evil doesn’t tend to announce itself."
  (Karin Wilkinson, 26:35)

• On the grays as automata:

  "These little greys… their eyes don’t move, they don’t have any discernible facial features... I really think they're just disposable."
  (Karin Wilkinson, 64:22, 70:04)

• On the importance of seeking and sharing truth:

  "I’d rather hear the truth than be popular, and I’d rather give all the glory to God than have glory given to me."
  (Karin Wilkinson, 75:47)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Karin’s background and project links: [03:18–04:13]
• Physical vs. psychological abduction debate: [05:01–12:04]
• Theology of entities and hybridization: [12:04–16:02]
• Childhood and family abduction experiences: [16:02–20:56]
• DNA, microchimerism, and scientific evidence: [18:54–22:35]
• Benevolent aliens as deception in media/New Age: [22:35–29:44]
• Experiences with Grays and the hybrid program: [48:09–70:04]
• Jesus, New Age distortion, and calling on His name: [53:32–57:12]
• On the spiritual and biological nature of Grays/demons: [58:49–68:54]
• Nature of communication (telepathy, frequency): [76:35–80:18]
• Subterranean/underwater narratives: [82:16–91:09]
• End times and technology cycles: [95:14–99:05]
• Upcoming works and conferences: [100:12–101:50]
• Closing thoughts and Q&A: [103:16–106:28]

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Tone and Style

• Honest, candid, and driven by testimony and direct challenge to mainstream and even some fringe narratives.
• Biblically rooted, openly skeptical of New Age and government-managed disclosure.
• Deeply personal and often emotional, especially when recounting traumatic experiences.
• At times irreverent, humorous, and conversational, maintaining approachability despite heavy subject matter.

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Final Thought & Call to Action

Karin Wilkinson closes on a positive note:

"I'm having the best time... I've met the most amazing people. It's a pleasure to serve God and his kingdom in such a way that helps people. You don't make any money doing this, but you make a lot of friends and lifelong connections, and that makes it all worth it." (103:16)

For more from Karin: Visit karinwilkinsonauthor.com, check out her books, and connect via her website (not social media). For upcoming conferences and joint works, keep an eye on the sites and newsletters of LA Marzulli and Vicki Joy Anderson.

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Summary prepared by Podcast Summaries AI
For those seeking a comprehensive, faith-based lens on the abduction phenomenon and hybridization programs, this episode is a must-listen and a valuable resource.

Transcript

[Karen Wilkinson]

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[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

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[Karen Wilkinson]

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[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad. I am David Lee Corbo, AKA the Raven that is Top Lobster, the father of disinformation. Before we get into today's Guest, which is a an episode long in the making, one that I had hoped to do for some time and I'm really pumped that we are able to finally do it. But before we get into all of that, don't forget guys, patreon.com forward/nephilim death Squad is where you're going to want to go if you want to support us, and we will be going live there exclusively around the half an hour mark. All kinds of perks wait for you over there. Ad free viewing experiences, early access to episodes, first dibs on tickets from Bohemian Grove or to Bohemian Grove. And right now we're looking at the first Friday and Saturday in March. So we're closing in about five months away. If you want those tickets, you're going to want to be on patreon.com forward/ephilim death squad. Plus little discount code off of merchandise from top lopsa.com all kinds of goodies are over there as well. Let's pick One to highlight. Can we do the Florida Illuminati? I think it's a. It's a really.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah, I like this.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

I like that one. I like the Florida.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

It's a little misunderstood, but we have some fun with it is.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

It's just when they accuse you of being a fed or a plant or whatever, you just go.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

You make a T shirt about it.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

I'm part of the fi. Florida Illuminati. Joining us today, finally after a long time is Karen Wilkinson. Really happy to have you. Really important conversation we're going to get into today, but before we do all of that, let's tell people where they can find you and what you're all about. Karen.

[Karen Wilkinson]

All right, well, thanks, guys. I am just so happy to finally make this happen and be on here with you guys. It's my honor to be here. Karen Wilkinson. You can find me at my website, Karen Wilkinsonauthor.com social media, Facebook, YouTube, Instagram, TikTok under my name, Karen Wilkinson. There's a link tree on my Facebook page that will get you to all of the different sites and I can send that to you guys to share as well. Um, so if you do want to get in touch with me, please don't leave me a message on social media. I do not monitor those email boxes, but you can reach me through my website and then I'll actually get an email from you and I can get back to you. So I highly recommend that if you want to reach out to me and the book is available at lamarzulli.com you guys.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Karen over there with, with lamarzulli.net.net. oh, that's right.

[Karen Wilkinson]

We have fixed that. So now you can get there either way.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Okay, perfect, Perfect.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

The work that you guys are doing over there with la, it's you, Vicky Joy Anderson, LA Marzulli. Hugely important, especially when it comes to kind of this deception that's being pushed right now. And I, I kind of wanted to start this conversation off with your story and, and you know, you've had some personal experience with this phenomenon that a lot of people are only speculating on from the outside looking in. And I was on X formerly Twitter recently and there was a post that was going viral. Actually it was from a very popular show, the Danny Jones show out here. I think he's in Florida and you know, so called expert, which I don't know what it means to be an expert these days, but, you know, is saying that he believes he understands what this abduction phenomenon.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Be an expert. You just have to say that you're.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

An expert, that you have to be bold enough to state it. Yeah, yeah, we're experts. We are experts. And so what he says is that the phenomenon, the UFO alien abduction phenomenon in his estimation is actually completely psychological. Doesn't. There's no aspect of it that takes place in physical reality whatsoever. And that this is simply the universe giving the individual a fear test, which was incredibly reductive in my opinion, in my expert opinion. And, and it was going viral to the tune of millions and surely would have been seen by millions. And I said that is just, it's a shame, it's a lack of information. And I know, or I assume that you disagree with much of that, Karen, so if you could kind of, for the audience's sake, I'm very familiar with you, I'm happy to say that I'm very familiar with Karen's work. But for the audience, let's talk a little bit about your experience.

[Karen Wilkinson]

Yeah, unfortunately we do hear that a lot and we've heard that from many other so called experts in these fields that this is all psychological. And, and that's a shame because we have physical scars to prove what's happened to us. Those of us speaking for myself and others I've spoken with personally who've experienced these unwanted seizures, these unwanted encounters. And so it's really unfortunate. I mean, our own government has released documents detailing the physical things that we have to deal with because of this. There are reports, hundreds of pages of documented physical evidence showing that we've experienced these things. It's not in our mind when we have physical reminders that we have to deal with every day. And our own government admits to that they admit to the fetal, the missing Fetal syndrome, that they admit to people being implanted with trackers. So many different things. And it's in, in the book, I have a chapter in there where I just put that document in there to share with people so they can see that this is really there. And then you have people in the hallowed halls of Congress saying, yes, we have the bodies, we have the crash craft. You know, we, we have the witnesses. And so when you take all of that, plus the hundreds and thousands of people who have had similar experiences but have never spoken with each other, but they're saying the same things. And you put all of other. It really negates these outlandish theories that this is all just some psychological delusion. And we've heard that so many times. It's like victim shaming for those of us who've been through it. Because it's really sad. Because it's like, you know, it. Unfortunately, they're trying to quiet those of us who are brave enough to speak about it and try to help others. And it's. I, you know, it's really unfortunate. So sorry, that's a long answer to your question, and I think you asked for just what my experience is, and I'll go back to that as well.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Well, I would like to just say that we had a gentleman on the show who I think is, well meaning, you know, so many of us in this kind of area of research don't intend malice. We just kind of get things wrong, which is, you know, forgivable. And I really enjoyed that episode. But it was. It was something. Joe. Geez, man, I forget his name now. He was a.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Was he the guy that was just on Tony Merkel show?

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

He was, he was, yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Joseph. Jordan.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Joseph.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Great.

[Karen Wilkinson]

He has long been, unfortunately. Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

What is he.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

So what he specifically said on our show, which is, you know, we don't give a lot of pushback on the show. I. We let people share their piece and.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

We'Re just gonna let them lie.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

We just let him lie to us.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

We try to, like, massage the conversation, obviously, because some, like, we just had Jordan Crowder on.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Jordan Crowder, yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Didn't agree with much. He said, but there are, like, you can derive some good information from somebody. You don't always have to, like, fight them.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

It's really like what we do is data harvesting in very many ways. We're just taking in information. And so one of the things that. That Joe said was that, you know, sometimes women will just absorb the fetus and there will. There will be no traces of it whatsoever. And that this alone is enough for him to dismiss the idea that there are ever any actual physical pregnancies, that this phenomenon is taking place whatsoever. This is something that I disagreed with. But, you know, like I said, I think he's just wrong. And you can't really fault people for being wrong. But.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Well, I mean, he's right. That's the thing. He's right about a lot of other things. Like, I think he's one of the first people we spoke to that said, when you use the name of Jesus, yes, it deters these figures. Whereas, like, others will talk to like a Timothy Albarino. He's like, no, that doesn't work. And I'm like, I got. It's not really what I've heard.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Yeah, mufon, former MUFON investigator is what he is. And so he had that data that correlated with the name of Jesus Christ stopping abduction experiences. So he, I believe, is a guy that would also maintain that this is purely a spiritual. In fact, what he says is a spiritual phenomenon masquerading as a physical one. What do you think of that, Karen?

[Karen Wilkinson]

Yeah, I think you have to be really careful when you get into that. Because what we're dealing with are entities that are different from us. They are not human, they're multi dimensional, they're interdimensional. They have properties, physical properties. They have properties of physics that we don't understand, that we can't yet explain. So when you try to fit it into this little box of we are human, we are here on Earth, it doesn't fit. And so then you provide these explanations that seem logical somewhat, but they really don't work because we're not dealing with human entities. We're dealing with something that God created before he created humans. We're dealing with what Tim Alberino calls our elder brethren. We're dealing with entities that we don't have a lot of information on. But we also know we're not supposed to mess with them. So, you know, we know they're stronger. We know they've been around longer. We know that there's more to them than there is to us when it comes to abilities. And so you have to be really careful to make such absolute statements unless you've actually experienced it or been there or done this. So, you know, while some of those statements have some truth, there is also some mistruth or misunderstanding going on. And it is very hard for those of us who've experienced it to listen to people who haven't tell us what's going on when we've been there and we've experienced it. And I know the difference between something that's physical and spiritual and it is both. And it can be both at the same time. And now we're getting into quantum physics. And if you look at the Bible and you look at the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit and you look into quantum physics, it helps bring a little bit of that more into focus. And if somebody does not understand that, then of course they're going to try to explain it in a way that's a little more simplistic. And then you come back to those types of explanations which you were just talking about.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

One of the questions that I always have is like a. It's like a definition or a delineation between what we're actually dealing with. So you have like fallen angels Nephilim, Rafaim, and then gibberim. Like as. As the time goes on, the bloodline gets diluted and some of these entities are even create. Like a gibberim would be a created entity or something like a nimrod became gibberim, so he was human and then became something else.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Did you.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Do you have any inclination of what you've been dealing. I guess we should get into your story before we even jump the gun on it. But like, do you have any idea what you're even dealing with, the classification? Or do you. Do you think it does. Does it matter at all in what's happening?

[Karen Wilkinson]

I think that there are going to be a lot of various classifications that we don't have enough data on to fully understand. But what we do know is that God created another class of beings, not human, and how many different types there are. Well, we know biblically there are so many different types that are mentioned in the Bible. So when those entities, as in Genesis 6, saw the daughters of men and, and decided that they wanted to procreate and take wives, plural of as many of them as they chose, you get into creating the hybrid entities. And they're going to be different names for that across different cultures. And.

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[Karen Wilkinson]

Names and different types. There are probably more than we could imagine when it comes to that because we don't know how many types of angelic beings they are. We don't have a book for them, we have a book for us. We have a book about our salvation, but we don't have a book about these entities. So most of what we would say would be, well, this is what I've seen, so I can tell you what I've experienced and what I've seen. But beyond that lot of it is speculation, unless we're just going straight from the biblical verse or other ancient texts.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

So let's get into this, what you've experienced. And I guess we can kind of start chronologically. It seems that a lot of this for many people starts very early on. My grandmother was an abductee victim and she didn't realize it until much later on in life. And it, you know, it disturbed her pretty deeply. But you know, the stories from her childhood, trying to go to sleep, being unable to move. A bright white light appears in the window. She finally, you know, gets the ability to scream. And once people come to investigate, the thing disappears. You know, it seems like this is something that followed her throughout childhood. Not, not unique. I mean, you know, you might say that the abductee victim is unique in the grand scheme of things among the general population. But as far as the patterns and the things that happen, it seems that it was kind of par for the course. So is this something that started for you in childhood?

[Karen Wilkinson]

Oh, absolutely. From my earliest memories, I mean, I don't have a time in my life where I don't have memories of this, of being taken against my will, of encountering these strange entities that I didn't understand from such a young age that there were family members. My father's side is very Germanic, very Scandinavian looking, and I was terrified of certain members of the family who were very tall and blonde and fair skinned and blue eyed because they reminded me of these entities, some would call Nordic entities. And at the time I didn't know what they were. I just knew they were taking me. And these were some of them I was encountering, but looked similar to some of my family members. And I'm not saying the family members were alien. No, I'm just saying there were similar features that as a little child, when you're two or three years old, you know, you don't know the difference between a bumblebee or a wasp, but if you're stung by one, you're probably scared of both. It's that kind of thing. So from my earliest, earliest memories and then, you know, later in life when books like Whitley Strieber's book came out, when I saw that book cover, I had a panic attack and I'd never seen something like that on a book cover before. Out in public, you Know. And what do you do? What do you say when you see something like that? People are like, what's wrong with you? Nothing. Nothing. I can't tell you. You know, people will think you're crazy. No one. No one wanted to hear those types of things. But growing up from my earliest memories, yeah, I was taken. And we didn't have vocabulary. I didn't know what UFOs and aliens and interdimensionals and grays or things like that. Nobody talked about those things. There wasn't. There weren't TV shows or podcasts or magazines or newspapers or books about those things. So it was very difficult. I can understand your grandmother's situation a little bit in reference to my own, because we didn't have a basis to even talk about it or understand what was happening to us because there was nobody out there to help us understand better. There was nobody else out there talking about these things. And. And that made it really difficult to share and tell others what was happening at that point in time.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

That book, by the way, Karen, is the one that my grandmother. That was what informed her of what was actually happening to her. Yeah. And that's what. She became very troubled after that. In fact, she made my mother swear not to read the book. And after she passed away, I managed to get my hands on it. And that framed a lot of what was happening, you know, not. Not so much to me. There was some experiences I had, but, like, around my family, because I was getting these stories. And so I'm looking at this book now, and I'm going, oh, this is what my grandmother was talking about. And then. So, yeah, I guess, you know, it happens in a way where there's not a lot of, like you're saying, other sources. It kind of makes me wonder how impactful that book was for a lot of other people.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

If you don't.

[Karen Wilkinson]

I didn't read it. I couldn't read it. I was terrified of it. I couldn't get close to the book. And then when it finally came out on, you know, I think normal tv, not at the movie theater, it was on, and I couldn't watch it. I mean, it was on, and I had a panic attack. Something. Some scene in the movie that happened to be on the tv. Just those things just bring back this PTSD element of. Of the things that happened. And I can see how that would be alarming or shocking for her to read, because just the scenes from the movie were too much for me to watch at the time. I mean, now I'm in a Much better place. Obviously, God has brought me through this and to another side of it where I can use it now to help others. But for a long, long time I couldn't look at a movie or a book or a TV show or anything that had UFO or alien in it just for that reason. It was just, it was too painful to really to relive any of it. And I do believe, as you were saying, starting to say too, it is a very familial thing. It does run in families. I think that has a lot to do with the permissions that are given. You know, go back to Vicky Joy Anderson when you, when I reference that, because when she and I speak about things together, that's where her expertise really comes in as far as covenants and things like that. And when you have a family line that has the genetics that they are able to utilize for things like breeding programs, they're going to keep going with that family line, you know, and especially, you know, when that mother. I was talking to you guys earlier about something I'm writing this month about fetal maternal microchimerism, which is a long word for a simple process where when a woman is pregnant, the fetus transfers some DNA to the mother that stays with the mother permanently, that, that stays in the mother. So if you're having an experience with a non human entity and carrying a hybrid entity in your womb, there will be some transfer of that DNA and that stays in your system and possibly making it easier to continue that lineage with that family line because now that's a part of your DNA.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

That, that's interesting. Is that how, is that how you think? Like, well, your rel. Your relatives, let's say, that do have characteristics of these Nordics. Do you think that that happened sometime down the line?

[Karen Wilkinson]

Yeah, you know, that's a really interesting question. I have no way to prove that or not. But what I can say is because of this DNA, it takes the comments about this being a purely psychological thing and throws them completely out the window because this is genetic proof that it's happening. So you are no longer, we're no longer stuck trying to fight this battle of, well, it's all in your head. It's not in my head. It's in my genes. It's in my blood, you know. And so with the new findings that are happening, it was a. Dr. Max Rump Rample released a study back early this year. I think it was May. And like I said, I'll, I will provide. I'll send you guys a copy of the article when I finished it. And anyone who's interested in that can find it in Ellie Marzulli's monthly newsletter. You know, that'll be part of my next book as well. I'm really going to focus down onto the DNA part of things because I think it's so important for people to understand that there is so much more proof coming out and. But no one's paying attention. You know, when these things come out, they're largely ignored as unimportant or, you know, pushed aside because, well, for obvious reasons, obviously there's still such a stigma about this. And removing that stigma seems to be impossible at this point.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Well, I mean, the stigma surrounding that aspect of the phenomenon is, I would agree with you, seemingly difficult to remove or difficult to, you know, get through for some people psychologically. But we are being introduced to this concept of extraterrestrials in a way that seems to be palatable for the average person. And it seems to have been made palatable by, by apparatus like Hollywood and NASA and things like that for a really long time. And obviously it doesn't, it's not cohesive with what you and Vicky and L A are working on as far as your research goes. And so in that way, the deviation between what your ideas are and what the mainstream public is going to get soon or is getting in a very slow drip, is specifically about the nature of the event. And by that I mean we're getting fed this idea that they are benign space brethren who have advanced technology and who maybe even have a vested interest in our maintenance of the planet, not destroying it via nuclear war or not polluting it to the point of, you know, not being able to bring it back. And, and there is a lot of things at play here. So it's not only this sort of Pentagon release thing, but it's also aspects like the Galactic Federation of Light, which I imagine you're probably familiar with, you know, given your field of research. And the Galactic Federation of Light very much paints these entities as saviors, saviors of mankind waiting for humanity to reach an apex in their spiritual evolution so that they may be rescued from whatever satanic forces seek to keep us or.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Reach the next level of whatever spiritual.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Advancement or something like that. And so this, this goes everywhere. This is the Pleiadians, etc. Etc. I've, I've even seen them in recent years go as far as to co opt Jesus to such an extent that, which we've seen with the New Age movement and everything. Right.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Well, actually, that's very Interesting, because tomorrow we have Joel, Joe and Franco.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

That's right.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Who is the pastor that worked on the, the telepathy tapes. He's been on Blurry Creatures as well, but he, he's a pastor that works with autistic children that are non verbal and he claims that most of them, or a lot of them have said that they, they've been in communication with Jesus. So they, they communicate with each other telepathically and maybe even astrally. And they go to a place called the Hill and they come back and they talk about Jesus. Something also very interesting is that when he's on the telepathy tapes, like that whole podcast itself, those parts are cut out. So there's not really mention of Jesus on these tapes. They want to focus more on time.

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[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Just the phenomenon, the new Age.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah, New agey kind of side of it. So we're gonna do a little bit of scratching to see what we could find there from this guy.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

But we're getting it from all different angles is what I'm getting at. Karen. It seems like there's a lot of damage control going on and a lot of it is in direct opposition to what you're as, as an actual experience are describing.

[Karen Wilkinson]

Exactly. I mean, you gotta look at, there's so much predictive programming out there. There's so much of an attempt to try to steer people in a very specific direction with this, you know. And I know you've spoken with LA about things like the great, the coming great deception, but as he talks about, you know, and when we go up, they show up. When we go up, they come down, is what he says. And I agree with him 100%. In the 1950s, George Adamski coined the phrase our benevolent space brothers. And that again, is just another part of this predictive programming. They're trying to show them as our benevolent, you know, space brethren who are here to help us and save the planet. But when, when I and La and Vicki speak to people, we often say, you know, tell me, where is it? Okay to kidnap a four or five year old child? When is it okay to sexually assault a man or a woman? When is it okay to steal a fetus from someone's body? At what point is it okay to mutilate cattle, sheep, animals, people who are also mutilated? You know what, what point are destroying crops in fields that's not preserving the land, that's not preserving the crops with crop circles and things like that that are bent and woven in such a way as would take us years to even complete one little tiny bit of that if a human were to do it. So there's just so much that doesn't fit into this benevolent space brothers package they're trying to sell to everyone. But people are still buying it because they want that feel good story. They want this beautiful bright light to come down from the sky and save everyone. We have that, we have that in a savior, we have that in Jesus. But people are calling on it with CE5 and opening doors and making covenants with entities that do not have their best interest at heart. I mean, when somebody comes along and says to steal your purse or rob your house or carjack you, they don't wear a T shirt that says, hey, I'm here to rob, cheat, steal, lie, kill. Now they come in as this nice respectable person or someone you could trust, or they sneak in where you don't see them. So evil doesn't tend to announce itself. And so in order to gain the permission, this evil is trying to find a way to look like something people might want so people will invite it in. And it really is deception at the highest level when we start talking about space brothers, because people are not going to see the difference. They're going to see Satan coming as an angel of light and think that it's this wonderful benevolent being. Just because it's beautiful doesn't mean it's a good thing, you know. And just because it helps you once, doesn't mean the next time it's not going to hurt you. And it's just so dangerous. We have so many warnings in the Bible, so many warnings in our gospel to not mess with these things. But people don't want to pay attention to that because they want the fun, the excitement. They want to see the shiny object and they want to call it forth and have this feel, this strength and this power I think that they get from that and that. And that's a very scary thing for me, people out there doing those types of things, like CE5, for example.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

So some interesting things there that you said like the, the concerted effort that we're all dealing with right now watching them do this stuff. Part of it is the idea that we have to invite them in. So yeah, that like they have that part covered. I mean social media or just like Hollywood from the 1950s to 70s Roswell and that whole concerted effort. So yeah, that's covered the part where we have to invite them in. But I just wanted to drop a little information for you. Maybe you passed to la. It's something that we kind of stumbled upon. We interviewed this guy, Citizen D about a year ago and he's a, he's a British or he's. I guess he's from Britain. I don't know.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

I wonder what he does. Like occupational wise. Did we ever get that he's just.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

No, because he was like, he's anonymous. We did.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

That's right, he's anonymous. Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

We didn't get to see him accidentally because he doesn't know how to work a computer, but he's anonymous and he's not a computer.

[Karen Wilkinson]

He's not a tech expert is what we're saying.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

No, no, no, he doesn't know how to use streamyard, that's for sure. So he's one of the people that claims to have been doing crop circles. And he said about 80% of the crop circles that we do see are man made. The other 20% he's saying, you know, could be, could not be, which is a believable number. Not all of them are UFO craft that are inter, interwoven, you know, articulately. But when we pressed him on it, we were like, so how do you get these designs? Because they're intricate designs. He was like showing us some of them and he goes, some of them come as downloads. Some of them, some people, like, they were like, there are a whole network of these guys that do this and coordinate to do this. And downloads seem to be one of the main things in the sense of.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Channeling, specifically, he's channeling these downloads.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Okay, yeah. And then, so then I go, I pull up like a picture of the Seals of Solomon and I cut off the top really quickly and I go, do any of these look like something you put in a field? And he goes, yeah, yeah, those like this one, that one, this one. I was like, that's interesting. Anyway, and we moved on. So I was like, you're putting demonic sigils in a location that you're being. We also asked him like, why certain locations? He was like, yeah, it's just like, you get an inclination to go here.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

And do two o' clock in the morning. Two o' clock in the morning. Something just strikes me. You go out and make this complex sigil in the middle of a field.

[Karen Wilkinson]

That bothers you, right? Yeah, no red flags there.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

I mean, he said, well, it was.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Interesting because then we got into, like, after that, we go, anything happening in your real life that's a little weird. He's like, man, sometimes some poltergeist stuff, but I don't think it's related.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

We're like, yes, poltergeist activity.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

It's probably not related. Don't worry about it.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

I haven't drawn a correlation. You know, the other thing that's really interesting, too, is this idea of. Of Steven Greer, because you're talking about CE5. That guy is really strange to me. And I guess if you don't have anything nice to say, I won't say.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Anything else, like how he looks or just what he just super.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Yeah, he does look very horrifying. So. But. But he has this app, and it's. It's CE5. And we had a buddy of ours because we do quite a bit of research on. On frequency and. And vibration and things of that nature. And, you know, the CIA has a real interest in it. Seems to be able to sync the hemispheres of the brain and give you these experiences or put you in contact. You can channel easier, et cetera, et cetera. It seems like it's the gift that keeps on giving if you're the CIA. But one listener in particular who wrote into us said that he used to use these binaural beats and they would be adapted to specific frequencies. Said one day he discovered a frequency that made him have alien abduction experiences, poltergeist activity in the house, demonic encounters, you name it. The whole, you know, shebang starts happening to him. Later on, he would find out that the exact frequency which he kept to himself, he didn't want to tell us.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

You know, for fear of anybody else dialing into it. He said it's the same one that Steven Greer uses for his CE5. So the same thing, the same frequency that gave this guy alien abduction experiences, poltergeist activity, sleep paralysis and demonic encounters is the same thing that Steven Greer is using to summon in these orbs.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

That's the same thing you were doing yourself with a fan.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

That was an accident. I never meant to do that.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Vicky Jones and actually helped out. He used to sleep with the fan and how.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

I still sleep with the fan. But this is a better fan that doesn't binaural beat down me while I'm sleeping and I don't have a sleep paralysis.

[Karen Wilkinson]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's. That's, you know, that's something that people don't seem. Tend to understand or understand well enough is the frequencies and vibrations. I mean, God created all of this for a reason. And there are so many things that we're not meant to mess with or understand, you know, when they. When the fallen ones share the sacred knowledge. And that's one of those things, I think, that was. That was shared, that really wasn't meant to be because it could be used so dangerously against us because we are not designed to be able to defend ourselves properly against some of these things, you know, and. And so that when you look at Stephen Greer, though, to back up to him a little bit, you know, when you. If you read his bio and his information, and I've listened to him quite a bit just to understand why and what he's doing. He had an encounter where he really invited something in, and then this thing told him, this entity, exactly what and how to do to continue with the CE5 protocol and to create the CE5 protocol. So he does identify a very specific point in time where it sounds to me like he allowed something to inhabit him and kind of take over. And then you just. When you look at him, you can see there's a change, you know, at that point. And so for me, that was kind of the kicker of, yeah, really want to stay away from this. It's dangerous. It's not something we're meant to play with. And calling forth entities that you don't understand that you're not familiar with, and expecting them to just be benevolent, you know, I mean, that's ridiculous. And then you take that home to your family, your friends, your loved ones, your children. I mean, it's so dangerous, and yet people are just so excited. They gather by the thousands to go out into the desert or the woods or wherever and call upon these entities, these things that they don't know about that they don't understand. I mean, it's just. You might as well be playing with a Ouija board or a book of spells or. Or tarot cards. It's right up there with all of those things.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

It's almost more direct, right? I mean, very much more direct. Yield consistent results. But I. I look at this and I feel as though it's all done by design because, you know, we really have.

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[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Omitted spirituality. Here in the west, we live in this materialistic paradigm and I don't think that that's sustainable. I think you could implement that over a people for a time, but eventually they will long for something spiritual.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Well, isn't an interesting push you've got. They put the blanket over our eyes of spirituality, but then at the same time the spiritual, these spiritual entities kind of want access to us. So they have to then represent themselves in a way.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Yes.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah. So it's like it becomes this weird tug of war of what's gonna break. And I feel like we're at the point where human beings are gonna have to start dealing with this again.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Well, because we saw it really big in the 90s where it was like atheism. Atheism was huge. You know, tail end of the 80s all through the 90s, starts to die out in the late 2000s and now it, it's not really prevalent. Not, not like it used to be. I mean, I don't meet atheists now. I used to meet them and the people that are.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

You kind of go, come on. Like after, after Covid, you're like, you would think, yeah, really nothing.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

But go ahead, Karen.

[Karen Wilkinson]

No, no, I'm sorry. It always been that interesting that, you know, you've got atheists and agnostics and it's like if you believe in nothing, it's one thing, but to believe in something and then believe it doesn't exist. Aren't you really, you know, there's sort of, to me, there's just a strange paradigm to atheism where it almost negates what they're saying and what they're doing by believing in something and choosing not to believe in it because they believe in it. Does that make sense?

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

It's, it's not sustainable. I think you can, you can have that idea for a time, but not a very long time. And I wonder if that time period is, is around two decades. I actually, I just realized now we're at the 35 minute mark, so what we're going to do, guys, is we're Going to go live exclusively to Patreon.com forward slash Nephilim death Squad. We gotta, we gotta edit out the word Covid now So that the YouTube people, the tyrants over at YouTube don't take us down. If you want to continue watching, we're on to you. We know what you're doing. Check us out over at Patreon. If not, give it about a week and this episode will drop in its entirety with certain words omitted so that we don't trip up the algorithm. So, so yeah, I, I look at that time period as one that was necessary. It wasn't sustainable. But you had to get us to the point of, you know, some. I don't know what the percentages are, but some widely accepted version of atheism for the general public. And then from there it was only a matter of time until people longed for some form of spirituality. Because it's obvious if you're paying attention to life in any way, shape or form, that there's a supernatural aspect to things. And I think you can kind of put the blinders on generally up until something happens to you in your life. Then you go looking for answers. And who is prepared to give you those answers?

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Well, the new age religion is quite prepared.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Wiccan is quite prepared.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Actually got in front of it really well with the. What is it, a Christ consciousness kind of thing. That's an interesting slippery idea that. I didn't fall for it, but like, guys, like, what's that skinny dude with the long hair? I kind of like him.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

He's a Steve Aoki.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

No, he's a political commentator. But he was, he was using that. I was like, oh, yeah, cool. Like, like me.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

And then I'm conscious. Yeah, I'm conscious of Christ.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah, no, not quite like that. Not like that.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

No.

[Karen Wilkinson]

Go back to the Garden of Eden. You will be as gods. You know, we're saying the same story recycled over and over again. As people long for a more closeness to and a better understanding of where do I come from? Who am I? What am I? And. And that draws them into this opportunity for greater relationship with God and more spirituality. Then that's when all of the demons come rushing in, going, I can give you this. I can offer this here. I can give you something so awesome. And it, it's the same story. I just feel like we're just rebranding the same thing over and over again. And especially with the ufo, UAP stuff that's going on today, it's the same thing. It's just. They're giving it new names. They're giving them, you know, flashy new titles and new stories and new backgrounds. But it's still all the same thing. We're still talking about fallen angelic beings who are trying to get people to turn away from God and, and pledge their allegiance and open up themselves to the darkness and to the, you know, the fallen side, the fallen realm. I mean, the late Dr. Chuck Missler, as he told LA, you know, Satan's outnumbered two to one. He's building an army. He was not wrong. And that's still happening today. Even though he knows he's not going to win, he's going to take this respite that he has and try to make the most of it and take as many people down as he can with him and, and just in a thumbing his nose at the human race, you know, we took this planet from them. They lived here before us. Of course they want to crush us under their feet. Of course they want this back. It's a great place we live in, a wonderful, beautiful plan, you know, for all the difficulties, you know, that we all face. Because it is a fallen world, it is a beautiful place. We are really blessed to have this place that God's blessed us with. And the fact that they want it back, that makes sense to me.

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[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

This is, that's something like that idea, something I struggle with as a Christian for a long time. You know how Christians will say like, we're like, we're not of this world, right? So like our treasures are in heaven. And I'm just kind of like, but we were, we were given this and shouldn't we like take care of it while we're here or at least fight for it while we're here. And then you'll get the idea back of like, no, we're not like, don't get involved with that. I'm like, nah, man, my kids are here. Like, they'll be here for the next 120 years, I hope, right? And yeah, so there's like this Weird thing. I don't know. I go back and forth on it.

[Karen Wilkinson]

Being a good steward. I mean, there's so many parables that lead you back to that, you know, where the. They're given the money and the one buries it, hides it, one squanders it away, one makes more of it, and. And that's it. When you care for something and you allow it to flourish, that is what we're supposed to be doing with everything that God's given us, including this place that we get to live. So we're not trying to be all New Age about it. I'm just saying we are stewards of this earth. We are meant to care for it. God did come in the form of Jesus to this earth to walk on this earth because he loved us so much. You know, the fact that he was here and he put his feet as a human on this soil, on this earth means something, and that should mean something to everyone who lives here. We should preserve it as long as we can and, you know, be grateful for it. Because if we can't be grateful for this, then how are we going to be grateful for what. What comes next in the Millennial Kingdom? You know, we're here to learn, and I think this is a part of it. If we can't take care of this, it's like giving a child a bag of flour and pretend that that's a baby for a month. You know, if you can't take care of that, how are you going to take care of a living being? Well, it's the same. I think it's a similar thing. You know, if we can't take care of this, how are we going to be given responsibilities in the Millennial kingdom and beyond that? You know, we really have a lot to learn.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Isn't that the idea? It's such a bastardization of that exact idea that you're expressing where. Because the New Age movement will be like, we have to ascend. And I'm kind of like, in a way, right?

[Karen Wilkinson]

We've.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Well, it's more than just I have to ascend. They think this is a prison. They think this is hell, right? The Gnostics are like, this is hell and this is a prison planet, and God is the demiurge, and we're trapped here and we have to escape.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

If this is a prison planet, why do these entities seem so like hell bent on engaging with it?

[Karen Wilkinson]

That's why they want to act so badly if it's so terrible, right?

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

There are. There are moments where I'm like, With my family, and the sun is beating on my face, and the air smells nice, and I'm like. You know, you, like, take a deep breath and you're like. You just feel.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Then you fart, right?

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

No, that's not. No, I don't ruin the moment. I go, man, this is nice. I go, man, this is nice. I think about these Gnostic spurges who are like, this is hell. That's the Demiurge Yalda Booth is.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

I mean, this life is filled with. I was. I was talking to Matt about it. It's filled with so many fleeting moments of brilliance.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

But they're, like, quick. And I mean, sometimes they last a little longer, but they're like, wow, if I could just grab that and put that in a jar.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Oh, my God. And drink it. Yeah. I mean, there's so much of it, too, that even these, like. These moments where, like, I think the Holy Spirit reveals to you some truth that is, like, just beyond your grasp, and you get hit with this epiphany. You get to connect, you know, some sort of neuron in your brain.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

We do the gap episodes with, like, L. A. With, I guess, Karen now and, yeah. Vicky all the time. Every time she.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

And when that happens, it's like, you know, there are these little things that make. I just can't look at it as.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Like, why we do the show, I guess.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Yeah. Yeah, 100%. But you were talking about this rebranding, which I think is a great terminology. It's one that we use very often. You know, we'll kind of use the analogy of, like, let's say you have a pharmaceutical company that hurts a lot of people, and there's a lot of deaths because of their thing, you know, and they go, man, the amount of lawsuits that we. Maybe we should dissolve the company and just reopen under a new name. You'll get a commercial. It'll be some dude prancing through a field of wheat in the sunshine, and it'll, you know, list off a litany of diseases or side effects that you'll get while the guy's spinning his wife in the air. But they'll just have a new name. It'll be a new name, and that's how we deal with it. And. And so where the public can shake their fist at the old thing that's no longer even active, and they go, look at that. We got them. They went out of business. They just reemerge as something else. They rebrand. And I. I agree with you, Karen. I think that's very Much what these aliens, you know, just to use the term that, that everybody's gonna be familiar with, are doing. And one of the things that really shows me that is this hybridization program. And I think it's important to talk about that because a lot of people are like, why? What's the goal? What are they doing? And it seems that a lot of what they're doing is this attempt to bridge the gap between us and them in some sort of meaningful way.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Well, I think that's. This is a good jumping off point to like get. Because I, I would like to. I've heard your story a bunch of times, but I'd like to hear it again from you. But yeah, that's. This seem. This is like your story, right? This is what's been going on.

[Karen Wilkinson]

There's there and there's so much to it. So it's kind of like especially the hybridization program part, because I think that's where there's so much to discuss. And the grays, I mean, those are two areas where I have so much to share and discuss. And so I'm trying to do another book that really focuses down more on those things because there's just so much information to share. When you look at this program of hybridization of people, this breeding program, they're definitely trying to manipulate our DNA. They're definitely trying to create entities that are passable as humans. You look at the books by Dr. David Jacobs, Walking Among Us was one of them. And there, there are entities among us that just look so human, you can't tell them from a non human entity. According. And there's just too many reports to ignore. And some of us, when we see them, not just myself, but others, we sense them. We see them, we can tell them right away. And it's scary how many are out there. And it sounds fantastical, but it really isn't that far off, off base. I mean, we know that chimeric beings are being created today in labs, you know, mixes of animals and humans and things and clones and those types of things. We have the ability to. To raise a fetus in an artificial womb. We have that as a society. We can do that now. We know that we. Bovine blood is interchangeable with human blood and that these entities have been utilizing that for a long time. So. And oddly enough, I grew up on a cattle farm, so, you know, that was readily available where all this was happening to me. And in the middle, I grew up really close to the Serpent Mound. Just areas of high strange strangeness. Sorry, my voice is going, sorry for that. But yeah. So back to the hybridization program though, you know, I do think that part of it is, you know, back to they want this earth back. And one way to do that is to be just human enough to have the birthright, but just alien enough to not be human. You know, where do you find that sweet spot into lure people away from the truth, you know, to lure people away from the truth of the gospel. To create their own, their own civilization that's not human. To over populate and take over. Would that be something they could possibly do? Absolutely. You know, I mean, absolutely. They're already doing it. So they being the non human alien entities, the fallen angels, this is something they've been doing, you know, since Genesis 3, Genesis 6, you know, since the Garden of Eden when he said you can be as gods and tempted Adam and Eve. It's not some new story. But again, yes, it's just rebranded and it's the same story. It's the reason for the flood. It's. We know about this in the book of Daniel. I'm all over the place. Sorry, there's just so much to share. Do you, Would you rather I just talk about my experiences and kind of get.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Well, I was actually, whatever I was actually looking for in a post on the topic because you know, you're, you're saying how they'll lead you to anything but the gospel. And I was just remembering like recently within this New age movement, they have rebranded Jesus Christ in so many different ways. His name is actually this. He's from this planet and star system. No, his name is actually this. He's from this planet and star system. He's an ascended from Wicked. He's all kinds. Yeah, he's an old lady from Wicked. He's. He's a Pleiadian. He's an ascended master. Like it's just, it's a non stop plethora. And the reason I think is because, you know, the gospel has been spread so, so well across the planet. I do believe we're in this period of time where like we might within our own lifetime see it reach every corner of the earth. And when that kind of thing is happening, you really have to figure out how to deal with that. I think there was a time where like the alien narrative didn't really care about dealing with that so much. But we've been through so many trials and tribulations at least here in the west and the whole world. I mean, you know, 2020 was wild for everybody that we've been Looking for answers in mass. And if you're earnestly seeking the truth, then you will end up at Jesus Christ. And so I think a lot of it has been realizing that, you know, this phenomenon has been realizing that. And so it's like it's time to co op Jesus because this isn't going away. So I was reading a post where like he's, you know, he's. When Jesus returns, he's from the Pleiadian star system, he's gonna be wearing a blue jumpsuit and silver boots and all this crazy stuff. So. So yeah, just to bolster your point, I couldn't find the post, but anything but the gospel.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Oh, that guy blocked us.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

He didn't like that.

[Karen Wilkinson]

Oh no. Doesn't that make you think of Matthew 24 differently too? Where it says many will come in my name saying I am the Christ. It's not necessarily people saying that they are, but saying that, yeah, Jesus is the Christ, but this is who he is, this is how he'll look, this is what he'll be. So they're creating these false Christs, they're creating these false gospels, they're creating these false stories. And so it kind of makes you look at that differently, as you know, because I think one thing about the Word is that it's a living word and it changes with kind of what, where we are in time. I think it's so amazing how God.

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[Karen Wilkinson]

The word to evolve and move along with us through life, where you look at a verse one way and it really fits and then everything's changing in the world and now this verse really fits, but in a whole nother context. And that's how I'm kind of seeing Matthew 24 evolve into now. The way people are approaching Jesus, they're saying his name. But the reason calling on Jesus doesn't always work for some people is goes right back to permissions. And I wrote about this a while back too is it's like having a washing machine and a dryer and just throwing your clothes on the floor and walking away and coming back and thinking they're going to be washed and dried and folded. It doesn't work that way. You have to open the door, you have to invite them in. You have to make that commitment. And so when I, we, you guys mentioned really early in the show and I wanted to get back to this, why some people say calling on Jesus works and some people like Tim Alberini, so. No, it doesn't. You know, just because you call on Jesus doesn't mean you're not going to get beheaded in the name of whatever belief system you're a part of. It doesn't mean he didn't hear you and it doesn't mean he didn't rescue you from that fate. It, your physical body may be dead, but you, if you've called on him, he is going to answer and he's going to hear you. But then there are also the people who say, well, I called on him and nothing happened. Well, did you call on Jesus or are you calling on some made up entity? You're not actually seeking Jesus, you're seeking some Jesus.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Did you call, you call upon the ascended master, right?

[Karen Wilkinson]

We're talking about some letters put together that makes a sound that comes out of our mouth. When you call on Jesus, you're, you are spiritually calling on him. And it. So you know, God's able to see and feel your heart and it says he knows the desires of our heart. So if you desire to call on Jesus, you don't have to say it out loud. You can say it in your head and your heart. That worked for me many times. Because when you're in a sleep paralysis type position, sometimes that's all you have is to speak with your heart. And that works. So there are people who say, well, calling on Jesus doesn't work. I'm like, who are you really calling on? Or. And did it work? But you just don't understand what God's method is at this point. And you don't understand what his will and his walk for you is. You have to walk through the fire sometimes to be able to show other people how to not get burned. And that is where I take my walk, you know, and the things I've had to go through in my life as well, I can take. And God's going to give me beauty for these ashes and he's gonna, we're gonna take this evil and we're gonna turn around and we're gonna use it for good and we're gonna, you know, laugh in the face of the devil on this one, because he doesn't win. He never wins. It may be for a short time he's leading the pack, but he does not win. And we know this. And as long as we keep that in our heart, we're gonna be okay. So I wanted to bring that point home for your listeners who might have been wondering about that, why calling on Jesus works sometimes, and sometimes it doesn't. Because I think it's really important to understand that.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

That point, that's like the story of. With the sons of ska, right?

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Oh, yeah. Where they're like.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

They eat up. They come. They're like, yeah, we come in the name of Paul, who knew Jesus, and they're like, I don't know you. And then you're out of here.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

That Jesus, the one that Paul was.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

The guy with the, you know, the silver boots.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Well, we actually. And, you know, once again, I don't. I don't think it's a malice thing or a nefarious thing to have a disagreement in things like this is. You know, we're all kind of stumbling around. But we had Tim Albarino on the show, and it actually became quite contentious in a lot of ways. One of them was that aspect of it doesn't always work when you call on Jesus. And, you know, that was.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah, we had no business like. Like challenging.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

No, we had. No.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

We just started the show and.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

And we did get him to conceive.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

I don't like what you said.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Yeah, well, well, so he came on and we did get him to concede, and I do think he conceded because he wanted us to shut up, which is fair. But a lot of what we were talking about was, you know, oftentimes these grays will get labeled as demonic, which I think is really. I've come to terms with it as being a descriptive for this thing that is in alignment with the adversary, that is not of the spirit of God, that is in an adversarial relationship with us on the other side of the, you know, the. The playing field, as it were. And so, you know, he goes, well, I don't think there's any precedent for that. And. And I'm going, that's wild in my eyes. Because you're a guy who has seen what we've seen, plus some. And. And you've not come to that conclusion.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah, like, the first half of your book is.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Is birthright. I mean, it's birthright. It's.

[Karen Wilkinson]

It's right.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

So, you know, this whole thing became really strange to us. And then, honestly, Karen, I believe it was you that has this story that really drove a point home for me. And it was when you were talking about being on the craft and seeing these bodies of the grays piled up almost like out of commission, just hanging out, smelling bad, I remember you said. Which is interesting because that's dead animals.

[Karen Wilkinson]

And urine and excrement.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah, I love this story. I've heard it so many times, but only from David.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We have to. We. Please. I'm going to. I'm going to say this, and then I want to get into your experiences, because there's nothing like firsthand accounts from people and testimony that I think that sort of thing is very important. But, you know, you're describing these things as out of commission, not occupied, not functioning at the moment. And. And then because of it, you know, not smelling great, because I don't think they were too worried about washing them. And. And. And so we said to him, well, what about the potentiality that this is some sort of biomechanical technology that is there to carry out an automaton sort of a job, may even be able to be possessed by a spirit temporarily, in some limited aspect, and in order to engage with the physical realm, because, you know, these disembodied spirits and such can't do that. But just the. The idea that these are not associated with the demonic realm seems. And basically he just said, yeah, you know what? I never thought about that.

[Karen Wilkinson]

And I swear, he really does. He says that they can't be demonic because they don't cuss and scream and rape and pillage and kill. And this is where he and I really, really go far apart. And I've offered to sit down and debate this with him and talk with this with him. He doesn't have any interest. I'm. I'm nobody. And I'm okay with that, you know, because that's not my ministry.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

I want you to talk about this, Karen, but I want to say right.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Here, we're gonna kill Tim.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

No, no, no. She's like, oh, my God, what show am.

[Karen Wilkinson]

I really has a great ministry. He does.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

No, he's fantastic. However, he sat down with us. What was it, episode 14.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

I don't know.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Seven. Very early. We're.

[Karen Wilkinson]

We're.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

I don't know how many episodes in. Hundreds of episodes in now. He sat down with us very early. He didn't perceive us as. As. I don't want to say a threat, but. But, Karen, you have firsthand experience and you have the scripture to Back it up. And you have the, the body of research and, and the, the communications that you're having with the team that you've developed.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

It's extremely important to clear this up for the people, because this guy is going on the Daily Wire, and I'm.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Saying he didn't want this smoke from.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Karen, talking to people about these things. We got to know what is actually going on so we can battle this. Because there's already enough smoke in the room.

[Karen Wilkinson]

Yeah, that's true. Well, and I feel very strongly about this. Somebody challenged me on another podcast probably about a year or so ago, and, and, and challenged why I don't agree or believe the way he does. And I said, well, how many grays has Timothy Alberino been in contact with directly? Because I want to talk about that. And you know, and I'm not trying to say that to be contentions, contentious or to start a fight or anything like that. It's just he has valid points, and I have no problem with the points he's making. I think they make a lot of sense. However, I also have valid points based on my experience. And so that's what. Only that's what I have to go on. My experience and my knowledge of the biblical narrative. You know, he may know the Bible much better than I do. I'm not a Bible scholar, but I do study the Bible. You know, it's part of my daily life. You know, it's part of my spiritual walk. And, and having researched this and having utilized my own experience, my take on these entities is that they are a biological construction created by the fallen angelic beings to carry out the things that they need to do here in our atmosphere, in our presence, so they can do so without direct permission. Because it's not a true entity. It's a thing. It's like sending in a bomb robot to go disarm a bomb. It's not, it's not a human. It's not a angelic being. It's just. It's kind of a nothing. Now the other thing that we have is these suits are made very limited. The mouths don't open. The eyes aren't like real eyes. They look like a black screen. There's no pupil. There's nothing moving around in them. There are other Grays I have witnessed that look very different. They're different sizes, different shapes, they're taller, Their eyes move, their mouths move. But these little grays that all look the same, they're very cookie cutter. Their eyes don't move, they don't have any discernible facial features. Their faces don't appear to move. They don't have any discernible organs, like male, female. You know, they just, they look just like a really tightly knit fabric almost, but almost like cross between fabric and skin. It's, you know, I don't know what they're made of. My guess is it's some sort of a biologic construct though, because it smells so bad. And I think they utilize like bare.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Minimum to function is what they're absolutely for.

[Karen Wilkinson]

Yeah, I absolutely. Because they are the. There are reports, if you go into some of the reports and some of the leaks that have come out over the last 50, 60 years, people like General Corso and such, when they talk about the anatomy of these entities, they literally just look like they're designed to carry no food, they have no reproductive organs, literally designed to just withstand changes in various atmospheric pressures and to be able to sustain, you know, going in between different temperature extremes, atmospheric extremes, etc. Almost like a scuba gear would provide. And we're a scuba diving family, so it made a lot of sense to me when, when I read that because I'm like, exactly, that's, that's exactly what it seemed like. It's just. And to see them empty, to see them lifeless. And even when they were moving, when they were coming to get me, even as a small child, they didn't seem to have any life. They just. I just felt evil. It felt a presence, it felt evil. And this is why I think that, you know, when a Nephilim, when it passes away, the spirit of a departed. Nephilim is a, what we call a demon. This is where we get the demonic entities from. This is where we get that terminology which often gets mixed up with devil, demon, all these different things. But we know from biblical text and we know from the extra, extra canonical books that a demonic entity is the disembodied spirit of a Nephilim. It was neither. It says, I think in the Book of Enoch, you're neither heavenly nor of earthbound, so they don't have a place to go. And then when we look at when Jesus is casting the demons out of the man, they ask, put us into the pigs. They wanted to be in something because they wanted to be. Inhabit something, indwell, something. They've got nowhere to be. If they're just kind of the ether, you know, this, the spiritual ether that we hear so much about, they can't really do anything. They wanted to be in something in the pigs, which then went into the water now that's a whole nother. That's a whole nother thing to get into.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

But so can we, can we put a pin in that though? Because that is.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

I already did. And she's touched on it twice. We're gonna end up going there.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Water. Because if they. So they jump into the, into the water, I assume they die, then where do they go from there? They're in.

[Karen Wilkinson]

Right. And I just think that has a lot to do with the. What's going on under the water and submerged in the water. There's so much to do with water. When it says there'll be no more seas, I think that so much is connected into the water and then the water, life and blood is in the light. There's just. That's a whole nother long. I know we don't have time to go down that road today. And I don't think my voice will take me down that road today. But. But. So I want to go back to the grays real quick though. So I believe that they're. These entities are inhabited by demonic entities. And this is where Timothy Alberino and I really part ways on this. He says they can't be inhabited by demons because they don't rape, they don't pillage, they don't cuss, they don't curse, they don't scream, they don't do all the things that we know demons to do. Well, who says these are the only things that demons do? Who did. Who defined what demonic actions are? Because from what I know, they're deceptive. And they can come as angels of light or they can show. They're going to show as being as deceptive as possible. Possibly coming across as lovely. Wonderful. Look at all the most horrible serial killers and things like that that people get addicted to watching on tv. I think some of the reason that we all get pulled into those things is that we're fascinated by the fact that they come across one way, but they're really another.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

And can I say Karen on that topic too? It's like they'll often present themselves as like the spirit of, of a. Of a sweet 10 year old child. You know what I mean? Like, it's like the house is. This house is haunted by the spirit of a sweet little girl.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

We're doing that Bible study.

[Karen Wilkinson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

So they do that a lot. Well, the other thing I wanted to say too is wouldn't the spirit be limited by the flesh? So if they're inhabiting an automaton that can't speak, doesn't have the ability to do so, can't reproduce, you know, any of these things, then it's limited. It's, it's, it's like, you know, whatever video game you play, whatever your character can do is what you can do.

[Karen Wilkinson]

Exactly. And so I think these are a little, we're made a little lower than the angelic beings, right? The angels tells us in the Bible this. So if this is a cross between a human and an angelic being, then it's also a little lower than the angelic being. So they're going to be able to control, to lord over these demonic entities. And they can. I wonder. This is theory. I'm conjecture on my part. You know, do they say, okay, you're gonna inhabit and occupy this suit, you're gonna do this job for this amount of time, then we're gonna let you go and you know, live in this house or poltergeist this place or, you know, take the next person who calls the summons a demon or what have you, you know. So are there, are they making.

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[Karen Wilkinson]

Agreements and covenants with these entities. Having them, you know, hang out in these little gray suits for a while, they're just doing dirty work. I mean they're just literally plucking people out of their homes and, you know, moving on to the next they are not doing. I never saw these entities do anything significant when I was at whatever destination I was taken to. So when I would be taken, sometimes I would just wake up on an exam table and there would be entities doing things to me, you know, with needles or machines I didn't understand or, you know, just all kinds of different medical procedures that never made. No one ever explained to me what they were doing. It was terrifying, especially as a small child. But the grays, the entities I saw there, their eyes moved, their faces had expressions, they spoke to me the same way these little grays did, just mind speak, but it was different. It wasn't. So matter of fact, these little cookie cutter grays, everything just seems so, so robotic in nature. But not robotic, as. As if there wasn't something really in there. I mean, could they be driven by AI? Sure. Could they be housing even another smaller entity? Possibly. But I really think it's just demonic entities in there. And then when I was taken, those other grays were very lifelike, very different. They didn't all look the same. They all look different. And they're like the ones that look like insect, like they call mantis type. They look. There are so many crossovers of, you know, this gray looks more like a insect, and this insectolin has a lot of looks more like a gray or more reptilian. You know what I mean? There was so much blur between the lines of these different types of entities. It's hard to say how many types there were. So I just grouped them into the insect one types, the Grays, the Nordic and the Reptilian. But they really did blur across all four of those. And some looked more like one and some look more like another. But there were features in them that crossed across all four of those different types that I've mentioned. But again, back to those grays, the little cookie cutter grays. They're just. I really think they're just disposable. I think they utilize the bovine blood to refresh those suits. And I think when they get old, that's when you smell that nastiness. I've been around dead animals, dead cattle. That's a really similar smell too, to what they're like. So. So much of it just made sense to me. I never thought anyone would ever think any differently about the grays until I heard Tim's analysis on them. And I was shocked that he would think that, you know, someone else would think differently about them.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

But, I mean, I don't have an issue with thinking differently. Right. That's. That's not. It's that he seems adamant I have.

[Karen Wilkinson]

An issue with it.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Well, I mean, it's. It's. If you have a. A different theory or something, that's one thing. But to go like, no, this is what it is, that seems strange.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

That's my issue.

[Karen Wilkinson]

I'm sorry. Yeah. I don't think I have the only opinion on the only theory on it. And that's why I said I was shocked that someone else would have something different to say about it or a different way of thinking about them. But I'm totally open to that because there could be different kinds. You know, there could be different ones. Maybe he did encounter something and it was very different from these. Who's to Say. I mean, all I can talk about is what I have experienced personally.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

The rest of it, I mean, whatever, I guess. Well, I'll burn. I'll burn a bridge here if the show ever gets big enough to watch it. But they're. You're. They're not. They're gatekeeping, like, extra canonical text, in my opinion, because we know a bunch of people who have been on that show who. I mean, he wrote the foreword for their. Their Book of Enoch translation or, like, you know, commentary. And if they come with a different perspective of that specific phenomenon, the episode's not aired. That's not how I operate.

[Karen Wilkinson]

Or you never get asked back.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

That's true.

[Karen Wilkinson]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

They just don't put it on. So I was like, hey, yeah, these guys follow me on Twitter. So hit me up, because I got a little bit of a problem with that. Like, it needs to be spoken about. This is something that's happening.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Exactly.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

And it's a. It's a problem. But I did want to backtrack to what you said.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Well, hold on. I just want to add to what you're saying. People who think that that is, like, maybe an inappropriate thing to do or otherwise. This thing is coming fast.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Everything I do is inappropriate.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Oh, no, no, no, no. I mean, I'm saying this narrative is coming fast. It's incredibly important that this discussion be had. And, you know, I believe that. I'm not saying I have all the information, but I believe that I'm operating within the truth. I'm being honest. And so if I'm being honest, then I have to say this thing, and we have to draw attention to that. And so, yeah, if you do believe that this is a problem, that there does seem to be some aspect of some Hollywood, you know, mind control sort of deception being released in the form of disclosure, and that a lot of people are gonna fall for some really horrifying things. Well, then, you know, you're obligated then to speak the truth and say what you believe. And you know where your information has led you.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah, we just won't get on any really nice big shows, whatever. But you had mentioned, I'd rather hear.

[Karen Wilkinson]

The truth than be popular, and I'd rather give all the glory to God then have glory given to me. So.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Amen.

[Karen Wilkinson]

You know, if it's not a popular opinion, I'm. I'm sorry. You don't have to listen, but I can't. I can't buy into a false narrative. I can only share what I know to be true for me and support Those I know that are sharing the truth and sharing the true gospel. And beyond that, I just wish everyone well, but I can't be a part of that.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah, listen, like I said, I don't. I don't care either. I'm on the side of the guy who created the universe, so everything else falls where it may. But you had mentioned that these small grays have like a rudimentary version of telepathy or their language. Can you explain that a little better? Because that's like something that really interests us.

[Karen Wilkinson]

Yeah, it was what I call mindspeak. A lot of people like to call it telepathy, but I. I think of telepathy as more reading someone's thoughts without their permission almost. This was just a really direct communication. It felt as direct as just speaking with another person. But instead of using words like this, it was just thinking the words to each other. And they were very. They didn't ever. Sometimes they would just communicate like a thought or feeling, like, calm down, it's okay. Don't worry, be quiet, go to sleep. You know, things like that, because it's. There are nuances to it that's very different than actual speech. So it's hard to describe, but they were very. They were always very limited. I mean, there were never any conversations. There was never anything that seemed conversational to me. It was always very specific, very straightforward, very task oriented, as opposed to when I was in the facilities where I was taken. And I really believe it was underground facilities because of the elevators that we would get in. And because I don't have a lot of ship memories of being like, up, you know, hanging out on ships like that. It was always, most mostly not always in what seemed to be underground facilities. There were no windows. And it was. It was just seemed to be. Excuse me. They. Those were more conversational. Those were more. Why am I here? What's going on? You know, don't worry. You're going to be fine. We're going to take you back to your parents. You know, this is all. You know, you're helping us. This is important.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

We're still telepathic.

[Karen Wilkinson]

Yes, it was still. There were noises. I mean, they were different. There were definitely audible things going on as well, but they weren't speech patterns like ours. Nothing recognizable in that respect. If they were communicating with audible language to each other, I don't know, because there were different clicks and chirps and sounds and things that didn't register to me as recognizable but were very unsettling to hear.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

That's interesting. Because if you think about animals and the way they engage in like you think of like a bat, which is emitting a sonar, which is much. It's a frequency, right? Because I just look at these things through the lens of frequency and I know obviously speech is vibration and frequency, but chirps and clicks and, and things like that, it's a very rudimentary version of communication, but it is, it is rooted specifically in just frequency.

[Karen Wilkinson]

True. And there was always like this low vibrational hum when I would be taken, when I would go through a window or a ceiling or a door or a wall or what have you that was accompanied by this frequency change, this really low, low vibrational hum that it felt like my body was just separating into a bazillion little pieces. It's so hard to find a way to describe it that makes sense because it's not disassociation.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Well, not just disassociation, but the way that you can emit a certain frequency that would cause glass to shatter. Probably within the realm of possibility that you can create a frequency that would cause glass things to separate on a molecular level in order to pass through a solid object.

[Karen Wilkinson]

It's like they can manipulate space, time, energy and matter in ways that we don't understand yet or that we weren't intended to understand. They have understanding of things that's so far beyond us. And then at the time when I was being taken, you know, I would be taken to these rooms where the whole room was like a screen.

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[Karen Wilkinson]

Theater screen. But we didn't have anything like that when I was little or, you know, so now to see these things, you know, touch screens that are invisible until you touch them, or rooms that are all screens. Well, yeah, we have that now, but we didn't when I was little. But those were the things I was encountering, you know, that the sideways elevators I would talk about that just moved so fast and didn't make any sound. And I couldn't equate that to a, a high speed train or an Automobile. Because everything in my life in the 1960s and 70s made a lot of noise when it moves, you know, cars were loud, trains were loud, buses were loud, whatever. So it didn't equate to me as being some kind of a mode of transport, like a train or something, which it probably was. So they were so far ahead, advanced at that point and still are today. So it's so hard to understand how and what they do when it doesn't fit into our knowledge of physics and science. And I don't have a good way to explain it.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

So, okay, this is. This is something that's been developing a lot in the UAP UFO space. As far as the narrative goes. Maybe it's better to start with kind of the Hopi lore of the ant people, which, the way they describe them look very much like grays. I don't know if it's the tall grays or if it's these short automatons, but they. They maintain that they're subterranean, that these are ant people that live within the Earth.

[Karen Wilkinson]

And then.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

It'S interesting, before we were talking about water, and. And just on that note of the pigs going in the water. Right. It's like, you know, there's like, that parasite that causes its. Its victim to jump in the water.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Because it drown itself.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Yeah, it drowns itself, and then it births. It's like a water. I always think about that because I think there's a real correlation between parasites and demonic possession. Almost like they're some sort of a conduit for negative spiritual energy. But so. But that. That pattern of the water. Now, the UAP community seems to be comfortable with this idea that they are not coming from outer space, although there's still a big effort to push that in that direction. You have the Three Eye Atlas thing that's happening right now, and they're. They're really trying to get us to believe that this is some sort of craft and it's coming from space, but observation is showing that it's coming from the oceans. And so in your experience, you're describing elevators. You know, you've said you've. You feel as though this is. Do you think that this is happening exclusively within the Earth, subterranean, underground, or is there room for this outer space conversation?

[Karen Wilkinson]

I think there's room for the outer space conversation only because I think that they can utilize the skies and the atmospheres as much as they're capable of, and that it makes as much sense to come in and out of a portal in the sky as it would in and out of a portal under the water. I mean, depending on the time of day and where you are, you're not going to be seen at night necessarily, or, you know, so utilizing these things as a form of COVID makes sense. And, you know, there. There's so much vastness under our feet that we're not aware of. We don't think about. I mean, the oceans found under Florida and, you know, that area, the, the thousands of. Of miles of. Of un. Discovered, un. Not undiscovered on untapped. Tapped. Yeah, just. They're discovering more and more inner oceans within the Earth's core, down further and further, more levels of water, levels of ocean. And we know from the flood of Noah, the water comes up, not all down, most of it comes from below the surface. So I think it makes sense that they would utilize both. We don't know much about the oceans and we don't know much about the upper areas of our atmospheres and the, and the sky either. So there's so much that limits us. We're really, really limited. I mean, understanding scuba diving, we can only go about 100ft before we get into some real danger. Danger that messes with our thoughts and messes with your brain and messes with your body and, you know, becomes deadly. So there are so many places for them to set up shop and to hang out and to hide. I mean, we know what we know from school, which, what we were taught was someone's idea of what might be what makes up the Earth, but nobody knows. We've only gone down like 15 miles. And that was with this very small cylindrical drill. Nobody knows what's under our feet. But some of us who've experienced things underground know that there are vast networks down there. I mean, the places I went were huge. Bigger than football fields, stadiums and airports and, you know, my schools and all those things put together, they were just massive. And, you know, if that was on Earth level, we would see it. Maybe. There's also a lot of the Earth we don't know. We haven't explored either. Unexplored, thank you. That's the word I was looking for. It was such a silly word, but, yeah, unexplored depths of the ocean, unexplored places on the Earth, unexplored areas of space. There's too many places they could be. And I think it's. It makes sense they could utilize both because the variances in pressure in outer space and in the water, we're just talking about pressure variations and things. So once you've Managed to deal with that in space or underwater. It's 6 to 1/2 design of the other.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

We were actually doing a documentary. I mean, it's been kind of back burnered back, but we've been doing a lot, building a lot of stuff. But there's a family in Sarasota that discovered like a deep underground spring and their husband has been arrested and targeted by companies like Nestle. And it's a, it's a debacle. Yeah, but we went out there, we saw the water, they tapped the, the well for us. And it's like. It's a extremely deep well, but there's a lot of controversy around it because of what it is. It's like, it's, it's high in alkaline. Right. And alkalinity and other kind of minerals.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

High in mineral. So low in acidity, high in mineral count. And the, the guy who is dealing with it specifically is a very intelligent guy. His name is Joe Gilberti. He's an engineer. And he doesn't think that it's as simple as like the aqueducts or something. He thinks that this is like an ocean.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Well, yeah, they, they were able to look. It's a, it's an ocean and it extends to like, I don't know, he said like Alabama or something like that. It's. It's tremendous.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Karen Wilkinson]

Yes. And that's the one I was talking about when I was mentioning the one they found in Florida. And I had it here somewhere. You guys, about that.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Some water in our house, actually, I.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Have a jug of it. Yeah, I haven't, I haven't touched it yet, but it's. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's something that we've been working with. It's just we've discovered we're not documentarians. So it's a massive undertaking.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

It's very expensive to do and it's like, it's just a lot of work. But we have so much footage and we want to tell this story. It's just like. I don't know where to begin, but.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Well, in the, in the descriptions of all of our shows, if anybody is interested in helping Joe Gilberti, who's still being prosecuted, I think he just got sentenced to 15 years for trying to blow the whistle on this. There's links and everything in our, in our, in our descriptions.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

But it's funny too, because I had actually, we had asked Joe, we got on a phone call with him from prison.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Oh yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

And I just blurted out, hey, do you think that this water has anything to do with like, the flood and Noah. And he was like, I don't know what you're talking about, dude, but this is good drinking water. We got to get this. And I was like, just forget it. I'm a crazy person.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Great guy, though. I mean, he's more concerned with getting the water to the people. You know, it seems like they're. They're causing scarcity, artificial scarcity of water and everything.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

People crappy water that.

[Karen Wilkinson]

Oh, yeah, that too. Well, no. And yeah, that. That is. I. The other one was that there's an interior ocean 400 miles under our feet. So that's definitely not what he tapped into. But it creates a fourth form of water. Not. It's not steam, not vapor, not ice, plasma, not. Look at ice vapor. It's a fourth form. Right. It's Ringwoodite. Is. Is the mint, is the gem. It's that it creates. And.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Oh, that's interesting.

[Karen Wilkinson]

I know I need to write about this and do more research and. And get with you guys on this one, because this is really interesting. And I've just started researching what they're finding about this. But there's. It's a different process of dehydration and melting, and it was accidentally discovered, and there's nothing. There's not a lot out there about it. You kind of have to search for it. But it's really, really interesting. But it just goes back to my point of we're given this really specific, bottled up narrative of here's where we live, here's what's under our feet. It's always been this way. It will always be this way. Don't worry about it. Now move along, citizen. Go on with your day. And that's just not true. You know, I like that we have that. What's his name? He says we have the historical amnesia. We do. We don't remember Carlson. No, he did Hancock.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Graham Hancock.

[Karen Wilkinson]

Graham Hancock. When he says we have, you know, he is just so close to the truth. He's just missing one important part.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

But most important part.

[Karen Wilkinson]

The most important part, in my opinion. Right. But, you know, for the rest of it, wow, it's really good information. And I 100 agree with them. We have this historical amnesia where we. We're. Because we've been given a very specific setting. All we know is what we're taught, you know, and then spiritually, we have to allow God to fill in the rest, and we have to. That takes faith, and it takes work, and it takes perseverance on our part. But for most people, it's just easier to say, I'm just going to go along with this because I've got a job to do, I've got bills to pay, I've got kids to raise, I got mouths to feed. I get that. But we have to be open to the rest of it because there are so many people we could help by understanding the truth better. And I think that's what drives people like LA and Vicki and myself is we've got to push harder, we've got to find the truth, we've got to share more truth, we've got to help more people. Because if you're sitting and you're not moving forward and you're just on the fence, you know, I don't want to be. I don't want to be that and I don't want to watch people not have the blessings of eternal life because I didn't get off my butt and share the truth. And sometimes these are the facts that people need that change their mind about things and help them see that light and see that truth. And I just think it's important. Sorry.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

No, no, no, no.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

It's actually, it's kind of alarming too that I know we talk about like, oh, we're in the end times, but my mom's been saying that for quite a while. But if you're telling me that you're seeing techniques, you were seeing technology that is. It is in existence today. But back then I'm like, how much?

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Well, that's the idea that why are we catching up? That's where people think we from in touchscreens and everything.

[Karen Wilkinson]

I mean that's, that's why we're catching up. Yeah. From the crashes and from what they gave us and what they traded us and things like that. Do we have it all? No. And do we even understand what we have? No. I mean so much of this hasn't even been reverse engineered properly because they don't understand it.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Yeah. I think even the crashes were a way of giving us a thing.

[Karen Wilkinson]

100 I'm writing, I'm working on another chapter from the next book that why do they crash? Because I've got some really specific theories on that and because I just think that's so important for people to understand. Why are there. There are thousands and thousands of practices and reports. People just don't realize how many. And more significant than Roswell and before Roswell. Roswell, you know, although Roswell is one we all gravitate towards because we've been given some specific information. But why, why do we have that information. You know, why that one? What about what happened before there? What? That whole Trinity area where Roswell is. Oh my goodness. There's so much that's happened just there that so I'm just so excited to share all the rest of this information because there's so much more out there. And working with people like LA and Vicki, we get this opportunity to really dig into these subjects and research them and find out just so much stuff that the public hasn't, hasn't been made privy to. It hasn't been shared properly or shared well enough, or shared at all. So there's. And I think this information will help people understand who we are, where we come from, what kind of a battle we're fighting and what kind of a future we're facing. Do I think we're in the end times? I think we could be, but I think it can get a lot worse before we're really in the end times. Because I don't know about y', all, but most of us have it pretty good. We still have clean water and warm beds and clean clothes and shopping malls and fast food and cars and air conditioning and all these crazy things. End times to me says you don't have any of that. So for me, I, I just don't. I don't see it as imminent. But then again, you know, we're told to be like the watcher at the gate and be ready at any moment. So it could be, could it be tomorrow? Sure. Ellie likes to say next Tuesday. But for me, I think it's going to get a lot worse and I think we're going to be really, I, I hope we get to be a part of that and really help people through that because I think it's going to be a very, very trying time before we are taken off of this earth for sure.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Well, our friend, our friend Matt that owns a coffee shop, he says all the time that this is actually, he thinks this is the worst time to be alive and to be a Christian because Christianity is, it's almost like welcome in America, but not quite. Like we get this weird watered down version of Christianity where, you know, we go to church. But like, when you look at it, you kind of say, oh, these people don't really know what's going on. And they're very comfortable where they're at with the fast food food with the convenience, with every, with the Netflix with.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

The electricity version of Christianity.

[Karen Wilkinson]

Yeah, we can walk around with the Bible in our hand and not, not be beheaded and not be persecuted. We don't have to hide in someone's basement to study together.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Not only that, but we could do a show like this where we're broadcasting openly and then nobody's coming to take my skin off. I really like my skin.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

But this show is.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

This.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

This is dangerous. What we're talking about. Reading a Bible casually. Like, I've read the Bible. I grew up in the church. I read it casually my whole life. No offense. Means nothing. Meant nothing to me.

[Karen Wilkinson]

It doesn't. Influence helps you, right? Yeah. It doesn't mean the same thing.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

That.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Like that pressure that's applied of where you actually start to feel like, whoa, I have to understand this. There's something happening, you know, like there's something moving. That's when you read that and you go, wow, I feel like I've never read this book before because now I'm understanding it in a different light. So it's like that delusion of the safety and all that. It is almost more dangerous.

[Karen Wilkinson]

They will say peace and safety, right? And then. And then you look at the Book of Daniel. We are like in the, you know, in the days of Noah, we are. Men are going to and fro across the face of the Earth. The knowledge is increasing. I mean, look, in the last 150 years, to go from a horse and a buggy to, you know, supersonic jets and these big triangle planes that look like UFOs in the air. I mean, we've gone so far, you know, in such a short period of time because we had help. And what happened in the days of Noah, they fell. But they had been on the Earth for quite a long time. And I think in the days of Noah, my opinion, and I write about this in this first book, things were a lot more sophisticated than people give a credit for. I don't think they were living in. In huts and wearing, you know, sandals and. And sackcloth and linen and whatever. I think that they were as sophisticated, if not more so, than we are. I think they were very, you know, a very sophisticated society. And when it gets to that point, you're talking, you know, Tower of Babel type level. That's when God brought in the deluge, the flood. And I agree with Vicki, was that the first flood. Who knows? There could have been so many. I mean, how many ash lines have they found when they start digging down? Because the first one wasn't very far down. The first one. That kind of proves the last flood, the. About five, six thousand years ago. But how many, you know, we. We don't even. We're just beginning to scratch the surface of understanding what could have happened in the past. Again, historical amnesia, we don't know and, and we have enough to know what we need to know. But I think it was a very sophisticated time. I think they were technologically superior probably to where we are now. And I think we're getting to that point again. And I do think that's where the danger lies. We get to this point, we start getting so much information from the fallen ones and want to be as gods and that's when God's going to come in and say, nope, I'm coming back in. We're going to have that moment again where he comes back and just fixes it again. Or, you know, at what point are we. At the end, you know, at what point has the fullness come to pass, you know, only that's God's choice. Right?

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

I want to. Well, first off, I want to, I want to respect your time. We're coming up on that hour and a half mark, but I want to talk about before we get out of here, what you guys are working on. I said at the top of the show, I'm a big fan of, of the sort of information that, that the three of you are, are putting out. We got to talk to LA again soon.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah, last time he, he yelled at me last time.

[Karen Wilkinson]

But yeah.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

He said. I don't remember what the word was, but he said something and it wasn't that bad. It wasn't that bad. But LA reprimanded you. And then he gave thumbs up, up and fireworks went off on his Skype because for some reason that was the gesture that made fireworks happen. But we had a blast talking to. We have to have him, we have to have him back on soon. But you guys are very busy. You're always going everywhere. There's always these conferences and speaking engagements and everything. What is, what's on the horizon? Is there anything specific that I know you're talking about, books that you're working on and information you want to put out. What can we expect from, from that corner of, of, of, I guess the, the, the LA verse?

[Karen Wilkinson]

Well, we just finished the last conference of the year because now we're in what's called fire season in California for them. So they stay home this time of year just to keep an eye on things. Next year I know we'll be doing the prophecy watchers conferences and there's one in Colorado and there's going to be another one in Branson. Again, I don't have a full schedule yet for next year, but I'm working on my next book. I know Vicki's doing this same and LA is doing the same. So you'll see something coming out from all three of us next year, God willing. And we're still here, so. So we're all looking forward to that. We're all kind of, we're all in completely different directions with them, so it should be really exciting and fun. I'm looking forward to reading theirs so that, that's what's next for all of us. I mean, it's time for, it's time for new books, it's time for new information and there's just been so much going on, there's just a plethora of information to share. So we're working on that and we're just steadily plugging away at continuing to write for LA's newsletter, which is just such a great wealth of information. He's got people like Mondo Gonzalez and writing for him and you know, so many amazing people. If you haven't checked it out, it's. You can get to it at his website. It's such a wonderful reference. And Vicki and I really enjoy trying to coordinate. She and I are both writing about DNA this month so we try to get our messages together sometimes and coordinate what we're writing about. And that's a lot of fun too, but that's pretty much it. That's what we have right now. I don't have a lot of next year's schedule yet, but keep an eye out on our websites and we'll have it posted when we do.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Well, I would love to, if you guys are ever in the area, get you over here because at this studio coffee shop, no, it's not a casino, but it is slash Christian library and there's a big, there's no casino, but we do have this, this big, you know, this long table with a big screen TV and they do all kinds of talks here all the time and we have a lot of LA's works actually sitting on the, the shelf in the back here. It would be great if you guys are ever in the area doing something bigger if you didn't. If we can convince you to swing by this, this meek little shop and, and do something, do something here. I think we could really bring people out and do something interesting. And then of course, you know, we have the studio here. So you. How fun would that be to have?

[Karen Wilkinson]

That would be awesome. We get to Florida a lot and we just, actually, we all just came back from there last Month. We were out there for a week, but for a vacation time. Much needed vacation. Not work, but a little break. So. But we love. We love that area. We love Florida. So we will absolutely, absolutely make it a point to make it your way. That sounds like a lot of fun.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Karen, we have one last question before we shut this out. I didn't forget. I didn't forget. This is something that we love to ask all of our. All of our guests, and it always yields a kind of fascinating answers, not necessarily in this episode, but especially in your works and, you know, your team and just everything that you're doing. Are you having fun?

[Karen Wilkinson]

Oh, I'm having the best time. You know, there are a lot of challenges, and there are heartbreaks and heartaches and cathartic moments. But on the other flip side of that, I've met the most amazing people. I have made the best friends of my life. I have met the most amazing, wonderful people. I consider family now. And I've met so many amazing people like you guys. And that's my favorite thing, you know, and so I am having a blast. I'm having an absolute ball. Yes.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

It's good to hear it. We find that people that are doing work that they feel is important and they feel convicted to do work that.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

They'Re supposed to be doing.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

That's it. Work that they're supposed to be doing. It takes a lot to figure out what we're supposed to be doing. And. And I think that that's the overwhelming theme, given a few exceptions, but when we ask people on this show, no matter how intense the subject matter is. Yeah, they're. They're having fun. You know, if it's what you're.

[Karen Wilkinson]

We have our moment, for sure. There are intense moments, and there are a lot of tears and a lot of frustration and a lot of challenges that we all face. But, you know, when you're doing it with people you love and you trust, and then you get to meet people like you guys who are just doing so much good in the world, it makes it so much easier. And. And it's just. It's a pleasure to be able to serve God and his kingdom in such a way that helps people, you know, and you don't make any money doing this, but you definitely make a lot of friends and lifelong connections, and that's. That makes it all worth it.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Well, you should be making some money. Somebody go buy your. Buy your book. There's a website at the bottom, as an author, go buy her book, read about it, learn about it. So that way maybe you won't get abducted or at least, well, at least.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

You'Ll be armed with some information and you won't be lost when you have some horrifying experience and you can.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

That's one thing that this show has. Like we do a. Sorry, I will let you go after this, but we do a segment where we get the emails of our listeners.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

And they tell us and these people have their testimonies.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah, it's like the same experiences over and over. So like creating, trying to create a library, like Tony Merlo does a great job with the confessionals of like create this repository of information of things that happen, how they're dealt with, where they.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Come from, what they are. Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

How did, yeah. How to address it. And it's like. Yeah, but so many stories that are similar and I think that our, our listeners get a lot of value from people like you and the books that you write, the articles that you write. So go pick up her book. Don't be like that.

[Karen Wilkinson]

Oh yeah, and hey, I am happy to send you guys some of my books and some other ones too from mine in la's and Vickies that you can add to the library there. Get a copy. I'll just send you some that you can have.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

This is why he's on the shelf over here. They come out at night. Anything, please send us, send us whatever you'd like. We'll take it.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

It's gonna fall if I pick it up.

[Karen Wilkinson]

Had an extra one of these. That's the 10 disc set. I'll get one of those guys out to you. So I happen to have an extra one here. Don't tell anybody. Don't tell LA because they'll get mad.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

I'm not gonna tell anybody. This isn't going to air to the public. Public.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

No, we'll pay, we'll, we'll pay for it.

[Karen Wilkinson]

Yeah, email me, we'll get this going. I'll send you guys a little care package of stuff for your library because I think it's great. People need to have access to these things. We don't want there to be a barrier to access to things like this. And you know, I would give my book away rather than sell if I could. You know, if it was free to print these things and do these things, I would, yeah, I would just do that. It just isn't, unfortunately. But I will help wherever I can. And yeah, we'll get some stuff to you guys for sure. That would be great.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

We're gonna get stuff. The rest of you guys Got to go to Karen Wilkinsonauthor.com.

[Karen Wilkinson]

Go visit. You guys live in your little. In your studio there at the coffee shop. And it'll be there. And people can read it while they sit there and hang out, right?

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

That is true. We get a lot of people that come in here, fans of the show, and they do a lot of reading. They hang out. Just ask us. We got a bunch of cool stuff hanging out.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

I don't know if they know how to read, but. But they sit here and they look at the book.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

They do look at the book. I don't know if that. But we have all kinds of fun stuff in here. So if you guys are listening that you make trips to the shop, don't be afraid to ask us. But you got to give it back.

[Karen Wilkinson]

All right. Yeah, well, we'll make sure we get a couple extra there for people, and that way if somebody needs it, they'll have it. And you should, you know, have it, have access to these things if people are trying to find them, so. Well, it's such a pleasure to be with you guys today. I feel like I was all over the place with information. If anyone has any questions, just send me a. Just send me a message through my website, not through social media because I cannot monitor those email, those mailboxes. But I will. I do monitor the one through my social. Through my website. So just send me an email and I will graciously get back to you as soon as I can.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

All right, Karen, promise we'll talk again?

[Karen Wilkinson]

Absolutely. I'm looking forward to it. I hope we'll see you on the spot.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

That's not.

[Karen Wilkinson]

You guys are easy. Wonderful. Thank you. God bless you guys. Have a blessed day.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Thank you for the prayer.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

God bless you. Yeah, thank you for starting the. The show that way. It's always.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah, we should do. We need to do that more. We just forget we're always scrambling. But yes, thank you for that. Means a lot. You have. Have a good day, Karen.

[Karen Wilkinson]

We'll see you soon, guys.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Don't forget to obey, submit and comply. We'll see you tomorrow. Bye.

[Karen Wilkinson]

Sam.