Ed Mabry (13:27)
But I want to make sure that I give full context. So I want to take a step back and I, and look at what he believes. Because he was saying some things that I think were pretty, pretty outlandish in my opinion. Maybe, maybe I'm not right. But I, but I disagree with him on things like he was saying that there's no such thing as a spiritual realm. You can't define it. Everything is physical to some degree. And that the, the angels, the Elohim, they are, for lack of a better term, they're physical. They're. They're like us and we're like them. That they're just like a higher grade of human being. That they have physical locality. Excuse me, physical locality. So he was elevating the physical above the spiritual, which he doesn't think exists in, in I guess the way that people think about it. He kept talking to me about things like, you know, no one is disembodied or ethereal. He was using those terms a lot. Disembodied and ethereal. And that this world is the real world and that the angelic beings appear are just graduate humans or we're lesser forms of them, and that they're just, you know, they're smarter than us, they're more powerful than us, but they're just like us. They look like us. And so if anyone has a vision in the Bible where they see an angel that doesn't look human, well, that's not what they really look like. They, that's just a symbol due to culture and things like that, which I found very odd. And he also said something that's provably wrong, which is that there's no, there's no scientific evidence for other dimensions. Because I believe, I think you were Raven, you said something about, well, do you believe that the spiritual realm is extra dimensional? He said, well, there's no, there aren't higher dimensions or something to that. I think it's a thumbnail to that effect that you can't scientifically, you can't prove that. Which. Yeah, you can. That's really easy. That's base that science already says this. You can google that really quickly that scientists believe that we live in at least 10 dimensions. We have the three spatial dimensions of, you know, the length, height and depth. And then we also have the dimensionality of time. Those are the Three knowable dimensions. But they're also another six dimensions on top of that, including gravity, electromagnetism, the strong and weak nuclear force. They're all curled, as a physicist would tell you. Curl, curled to a very small things like 10 to the minus 66 centimeters. That doesn't matter unless you're really into advanced mathematics. But those dimensions exist. And to say they don't, and to say that scientists, there's no proof of it means you haven't done any research, which is odd. But that's your, that's your, that truth and your worldview, shaping the world around you. And just really quickly. The way to prove dimensionality, because higher dimensions are tough to understand, the best way to do it is to go down a dimension. We, we experience three dimensions. Well, we know there are two dimensions. We can do that easily. You can pick up a piece of paper and make a drawing. You just made a two dimensional thing. So obviously they're lower dimensions and those higher dimensions are exponentially more, more substantial and complex. And an example I gave, I think I've given it on this show before. We look at video games. You know, I was growing up in the 80s, I'm a middle aged guy. So the 80s, we had video games that were two dimensional. We had Pac man and Space Invaders. And you could only move up, down, back, forth. That's it. Those were your only, those the only moves you could do when you compare that to modern video games and you name it. I'm not a gamer, so I don't know. But they're three dimensional. You're not just going up and down, back and forth. You're going inside of buildings, you're going behind things, you're, you can turn around 360 and see the whole room, a whole world around you. It is exponentially, unbelievably more complex than Space Invaders or, or Pac Man. And so if you were to. So imagine, and this is why, and we'll get into this in a bit, when he was saying that, that when Ezekiel or Isaiah or Daniel were looking at these angelic beings, these Elohim, and describing them in these fantastic ways as being covered with eyes and having six wings and looking like. Imagine they're looking at beings that are existing in at least 11 dimensions. How do we know they're in 11 dimensions? Because they're not physical. So if our physical world is 10, it's at least 10 dimensions. Well, these entities have to be in at least 11 dimensions. So imagine a two dimensional being trying to describe three dimensions. Because if you live in a two dimensional world. If you live on a flat piece of paper, everything looks like a line. There's no depth. If I were to look at you guys, I would just see a straight line. And if I were able to take as two dimensional drawing off of my paper and put them into this world, how much trouble do you think he'd have describing three dimensions in this vast three dimensional world? Well, that's probably the same or far more difficult for Isaiah and Ezekiel and, and the apostle John to describe an 11 dimensional world. So yeah, so it, them being covered in eyes and having wings and being wheels inside of wheels, they're doing their best to describe higher dimensions which exist. All right, so enough of that. Let's talk about his truth and his worldview. And his worldview, as I said before, is that the physical is dominant, that everything has physical locality, including heaven, including the angels, the Elohim. And they're, they're, they look like us. What does he base that on? He bases that from what I understand. And again, he's not here to defend himself. So I'm just giving my best understanding. You can correct me if you think I'm wrong with any of this.
