Judaizers - Galatians| An NDS Bible Study

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Nephilim Death Squad Biblical Conspiracy

Episode: Judaizers - Galatians | An NDS Bible Study

Date: January 13, 2026
Hosts: TopLobsta (Top Lobster), David Lee Corbo ("The Raven")
Guest: Matthew Hepner, host of Straight Bible

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into the Book of Galatians, focusing on the topic of Judaizers and the tension between law and grace in the early church and modern Christianity. The hosts, joined by Matthew Hepner, unpack Paul’s message to the Galatians, the dangers of legalism, and touch upon broader issues of religious authority, spiritual authenticity, and conspiracy thinking in Christianity. True to the show’s irreverent style, they interweave scriptural study with personal anecdotes, sharp banter, and tangents ranging from the origins of circumcision to Marvel movie conspiracies.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Introduction & Set Up

• Lighthearted banter and inside jokes among hosts and guest, poking fun at technical difficulties and distracted co-hosts ([00:00]–[05:20]).
• Transitions to a direct reading and analysis of Galatians, with each host choosing their method for serious bible study.

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2. Understanding Paul’s Apostleship ([06:03]–[09:42])

• Matthew Hepner points out Paul’s declaration of authority: “an apostle—not from men nor through man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father” ([06:03]).
• Discussion: Early church skepticism towards Paul due to his past as a persecutor of Christians and his non-traditional apostleship; the continuing relevance of credentials vs. spiritual calling ("This didn't come through man in any way, shape, or form" – Matt, [06:43]).
• Memorable Moment: David jokes about the hierarchy in churches and the absurdity of modern credentials, compared to Paul’s experience.
• Quote:

  "I don't have any paperwork that says I graduated a cemetery... I'm just some dude that the Lord appointed." – Matt ([07:26])

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3. Paul’s Controversial Past and the Undermining of His Authority ([08:01]–[09:42])

• Raven brings up: Pushback on social media regarding Paul's authority due to his history as a "murderer of Christians."
• Insight: How rejecting Paul destabilizes the gospel of grace in favor of resurrecting the Mosaic Law, labeling such attacks as an agenda against the message of Christ.

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4. Boundary Lines of Authority & The Trinity in Scripture ([09:42]–[11:55])

• Matt references 1 Thessalonians 1:10 and 1 Peter 1:21 to illustrate the distinction between Jesus and the Father and how God the Father raised Jesus.
• Discussion: Complexity of the Trinity—Holy Spirit, Jesus, and the Father—how scripture draws distinctions; hosts acknowledge how mysterious and difficult this concept is to fully grasp.
• Quote:

  "Mankind is having trouble understanding the triune nature of the creator of the universe that transcends time and space..." – Raven ([17:15])

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5. Law vs. Grace/The Judaizer Controversy ([18:02]–[32:42])

• Scriptural Focus: Paul denounces attempts to add to the gospel with legalistic requirements, especially circumcision.
• Matt clarifies the Mosaic Law as an "external law" contrasted with the internal transformation offered by Christ and the Holy Spirit.
• Quote:

  "The Mosaic Law can produce hypocrisy... you can never break the law, but all the while you want to bone some chick other than your wife..." – Matt ([28:10])

• Response to Critics: They address comments claiming the show teaches “lawlessness”—clarifying they don’t promote sin, but emphasize grace and inward transformation.

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6. Early Church Authority and the Perils of Legalism ([33:48]–[40:45])

• Paul’s independence: Describes how Paul insists his gospel came by direct revelation, not human traditions or authorities.
• Modern Application: Skepticism toward self-proclaimed prophets or revelations, and the fine line between direct inspiration and manipulative leaders.
• Quote:

  "Would you believe someone today who said, 'I didn't learn this from man...but by revelation'?" – Top Lobster ([35:20])

• A tangent debating authenticity in spiritual guidance and dangers of spiritual manipulation.

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7. Paul’s Encounters and Early Church Schisms ([41:11]–[48:00])

• Paul’s solitary journey post-conversion; eventual limited contact with church "pillars" like Peter and James ([41:11]).
• Application: Personal anecdotes about dealing with conflict (e.g., forgiving or cutting off a toxic partner/"Clint" saga).
• Tension between preserving spiritual integrity vs. toxic entanglements; humorous but serious debate about the spiritual consequences of unresolved conflict.

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8. Lawfare: Imposing the Mosaic Law on Gentile Converts ([58:15]–[64:35])

• The uproar over circumcision: Paul refuses to force Gentile companion Titus to undergo it, highlighting the infiltration of “false brothers” seeking to bring Christians “into bondage” to Mosaic law ([59:18]).
• The role of religious “peer pressure” in subverting spiritual freedom.
• Paul’s mission: Preaching to the Gentiles, contrast with Peter’s ministry to Jews, and mutual recognition among church leaders.
• Quote:

  "We did not give into them for a moment so that the truth of the gospel might be preserved for you." – Matt paraphrasing Paul ([63:05])

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9. Confrontation of Hypocrisy: Paul vs. Peter ([64:43]–[72:03])

• Paul publicly confronts Peter for distancing himself from Gentile believers when legalist Jews arrive, exposing hypocrisy in early church leaders ([66:06]).
• Parallel with modern religious virtue signaling and cowardice.
• Quote:

  "You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it then that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?" – Paul, paraphrased ([68:47])

• Discussion escalates into a tongue-in-cheek critique of personalities—risk-aversion, cowardice, and how flaws serve a divine purpose.

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10. Justification by Faith Alone: The Crux of Galatians ([74:11]–[76:01])

• Paul’s summary:

  "Know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ..." ([74:11])

• Matt points out: If justification could come through the law, then “Christ died for nothing.”
• The hosts affirm that Paul’s message is fundamentally anti-legalism, emphasizing the sufficiency of Christ.

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11. Tangents, IQ, and the Temptation of Gnostic Conspiracies ([78:49]–[113:23])

• The group takes a winding tangent into societal IQs (especially Somalis and Russians), “midwits,” and the craving for rules or external guidance.
• How the pursuit of gnosis (hidden knowledge) in conspiracy circles often ends in Gnostic deception—the Demiurge, “prison planet” theories, and how Paul’s message anchors the truth.
• Comparison of biblical cross-references to Marvel “Easter Eggs” – demonstrating the supernatural coherence of scripture.
• Quote:

  “If you ever get a chain reference Bible...it’s staggering, bro. Man is not this organized.” – Matt ([108:05])

• Memorable line:

  “If you don’t get off the conspiracy train at some point...you start to come to the conclusion that God is the enemy.” – Raven ([24:43])

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12. Faith Over Law, Practical Application, and Closing Thoughts ([82:03]–[113:43])

• The “internalization” of the law—receiving Christ means spiritual transformation, not mere external observance.

• Memorable Quotes:

  “I am crucified with Christ. Nevertheless, I live; yet not I, but Christ lives in me.” – Matt, reading Paul ([89:39]) “I’m dead to the law so that I might live unto God.” – Matt ([82:02])

• On fighting temptation:

  “You only lose when you stop fighting against it.” – Matt ([90:58])
  “As long as you’re fighting, not wanting it...that’s the right heart posture.” – Matt ([90:42])

• Fragmented but persistent humor about personal quirks, audience participation, and production notes round out the session.

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• “I don’t have any paperwork that says I graduated a cemetery... I’m just some dude that the Lord appointed.” – Matt ([07:26])
• “The Mosaic Law can produce hypocrisy...you can never break the law, but all the while you want to bone some chick other than your wife...” – Matt ([28:10])
• “If you don’t get off the conspiracy train at some point...you come to the conclusion that God is the enemy.” – Raven ([24:43])
• “You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it then that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?” – Paul, paraphrased ([68:47])
• “I am crucified with Christ. Nevertheless, I live; yet not I, but Christ lives in me.” – Paul via Matt ([89:39])
• “If justification could come through the law, then Christ died for nothing.” – Matt ([104:33])
• “If you ever get a chain reference Bible...it’s staggering, bro. Man is not this organized.” – Matt ([108:05])
• “You only lose when you stop fighting against it.” – Matt ([90:58])

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Key Timestamps for Important Segments

• [06:03]: Paul’s direct revelation and authority
• [09:42]: Discussion of Trinity and nature of God
• [18:02]: Introduction of Law vs. Grace (Judaizer issue)
• [33:48]: On Paul receiving revelation directly from God
• [41:11]: Paul’s early years post-conversion, isolation
• [58:15]: The controversy over circumcision—Gentiles in the early church
• [64:43]: Paul’s confrontation with Peter
• [74:11]: Central thesis—justification by faith, not works
• [78:49]: IQ tangents and discussion on human craving for law/rules
• [108:05]: Supernatural coherence of Scripture (chain references)
• [113:43]: Final thoughts, humor, and closing banter

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Tone & Style

The episode maintains a raw, irreverent, and intellectually honest tone. The hosts are unafraid to challenge both orthodoxy and each other, blending biblical insight with sharp-witted banter and occasional deep dives into cultural or conspiratorial rabbit holes. Listeners should expect a mix of robust theology, personal storytelling, and provocative humor.

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For Listeners

If you're keen on a fresh, no-holds-barred approach to biblical analysis—one that isn’t afraid to skewer both religious legalism and modern "conspiratard" thinking—this episode is a wild ride through Galatians. While irreverent, the hosts demonstrate a sincere commitment to the heart of the gospel: faith, grace, and transformation from the inside out.

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End of Summary

Transcript

[Top Lobster]

Top Lobster productions. In the shadows of the ancient One, they never went away.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

They're still here today. Level up, Death Squad. When the last trumpet sounds and the heavens crack. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad. I am David Lee Corbo, aka the Raven. That is the Top Lobster. The Father of Disinformation, aka Mr. Nasty. And we are here with Matthew Hepner, the merchant of brown water and host of Straight Bible. And we're gonna read the book of Galatians. We have a round of applause. Button.

[Top Lobster]

Can't believe he strung us up for this. No, we don't.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

You didn't turn on your Top Lobster sign. Whatever. It doesn't matter.

[Top Lobster]

I try.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I tried. Just button. You either succeed my mute button. There we go. Before we get into that, I just want to remind you guys where you can support us. Patreon.com forward slash, Nephilim death Squad. Sign up there and get access to the unedited versions of the show. If you're a YouTube enjoyer, you might be like, there's a lot of strange moments where you can't hear the sound of the show. That's so that the Jews don't ban us off YouTube, so we have to censor the words. But that doesn't happen on Patreon. We say whatever we want there. Although the audio is also uncensored. Early access to tickets to Brohemian Grove. We're both just texting on the show at the same time, huh? Guys, look at you. What's going on? Let's just breathe this in real quick. I got Matt over here. I got Top over there. They're both just text messaging.

[Top Lobster]

Well, he asked me to do something, so now I'm trying to do it, but now I can't figure it out.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That's fine. And now keep talking about this.

[Top Lobster]

Keep talking about it.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Bohemian Grove is March 6th and 7th. I've not secured a venue for it, but I'm sure that God will make it happen because he loves us.

[Top Lobster]

That's a wild way to be. I. I do want to say that. All right. Top lobster.com David. David is like, I've left this up to him. Matt, stop texting.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Can you stop texting? Dude, who are you texting? Who is that? Oh, my God.

[Top Lobster]

I've left it up to David to procure the. The venues.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah. Oh, boy.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I'm gonna go out this week and just go to.

[Top Lobster]

How's it going?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

One of these rec centers and be like, we could do this here, right? And they're gonna say, I guess, what are you trying to do here? And I'll go, a Bible study. Yeah, we're gonna do a Bible study here.

[Top Lobster]

That's a little bit dishonest, though.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

It's not dishonest. One will happen, I'm sure.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Impromptu will be read, I'm sure, at some point.

[Top Lobster]

Are you.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Are you really sure it's gonna come up? At the very least, it'll come up. You know what? I'll insert some and I'll make it happen.

[Top Lobster]

What do you think is the best way for you to go about this? Because I'm kind of excited about your methodology on procuring.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Well, I'm going to dress like a respectable human, and I'm gonna go in there and I have a good corporate sort of presentation that I do.

[Top Lobster]

Okay.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Because I've worked my way up through, like, management and corporate things, and I know how to do the whole thing.

[Top Lobster]

You know this about David.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, I'm real good at that. It's just gay. And I don't like there's a zero.

[Matthew Hepner]

Percent chance of that.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Is Mike okay? There it is. Yeah. So I'm gonna do that, and then I'm just gonna say that we're doing a Bible. I mean, it is a Bible thing, right? That's. That's really the direction that we've aimed. So I won't be lying. Hopefully they don't ask what the name of it is. I was going to say it's going to be a thing. We do a show Nephilim Death Squad. And then they say, hopefully they don't ask, what is the Nephilim?

[Top Lobster]

And then David won't be able to help himself.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

And then they'll be like, no, you simply can't do this here. They'll be like, no, it's the Sons of Seth. Get out of here. All right. Damn it, we ruined it.

[Top Lobster]

Are these people are Village People Sons of Seth or they are the Sons.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Of Seth, the Village People?

[Top Lobster]

Are they Sons of Seth people or.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Just Sons of Seth enjoyers? I don't know. I don't know. I don't really go around accent, but.

[Top Lobster]

But shot me like maybe six looks.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I know the looks are tremendous. Hey, everybody, by the way, on the Patreon, I can see everybody in the chat. Thank you guys for tuning in. Can you please comment on Matt's face on the last episode that we did, the 501C3 system where you're welding?

[Matthew Hepner]

Dude, I can't talk much, man. And I. When I can't talk, I Just you.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Have to make a face about it.

[Matthew Hepner]

Like it's crazy just how my face looks when I'm quiet.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

There was a point where Z talking and Matt was looking at him like this.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I was looking at his picture on the screen and I'm like, he looks scared. He looks scared. He looks concerned, like something is coming. And I'm like, what does he know?

[Matthew Hepner]

Looks wild and I'm quiet.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

And you did this other thing. Look, look to your.

[Matthew Hepner]

Can we just get on?

[Top Lobster]

No, no.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

There is one more thing. You look to the left, right? You look to your left. And what happened was the. The shadows. Half of your face was in shadow and the other was. It was menacing.

[Top Lobster]

Dude.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

So you. Not only did you look like you were afraid, you also looked sick scary, which was really crazy. It was. It was a bizarre. Yeah, boss.

[Top Lobster]

All right.

[Matthew Hepner]

Are we going straight into it?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I would like to go straight into it.

[Top Lobster]

So we're reading like you didn't like the band.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

No, show browse. It was with all the banter.

[Matthew Hepner]

Joe knows what's up?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

What up, Joe?

[Top Lobster]

All right, I guess we can go straight into it. This is what you want to do?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Fine.

[Top Lobster]

Okay.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Oh, wait. Say hi, Nancy.

[Top Lobster]

No, we don't care.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

No, I like. All right, there you go. Shut up. Good.

[Matthew Hepner]

Top. Can you do the reading? Man, My throat is just kind of.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

What are we doing the whole time?

[Top Lobster]

No, no, dud. This is the one thing that is hard for me. Okay.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

There's a lot of things that come very easy.

[Matthew Hepner]

Keep it up.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Paul and apostle.

[Top Lobster]

Not of men, neither by men, but by Jesus Christ and God the Father who raised him from the dead.

[Matthew Hepner]

Okay, hold on.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

So, okay, first one, straight into it.

[Matthew Hepner]

Right from the jump. He's making this valid point.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yep.

[Matthew Hepner]

He's an apostle. Not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, which. Which we would look at that now and say, well, he had. No kidding. There is no other way.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

But at the time, they were like, no, there's a hierarchy you have to go through. Because elevated by humans, Jesus was walking.

[Top Lobster]

At the time, Right? No, this is after, I'm saying, though. But like, he was around shortly before.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

So I guess his apostles were those people that were actually with him. And now this guy comes out of nowhere. He's like, I'm an apostle to Jesus Christ, but never met him.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

A previous.

[Top Lobster]

But by.

[Matthew Hepner]

No, no, he did meet him. He just didn't meet him before the resurrection.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

But he's drawing.

[Matthew Hepner]

He meets him on the Damascus road. He absolutely meets him. But there is. There is apostles of Jesus. And then there's apostles, the Holy Spirit. We went over this with Barnabas. In the book of Acts, the Holy Spirit says, separate from me, Paul and Barnabas for the work I've called them to. And then they do that. They go on their journey, and from that point on, Barnabas is referred to as an apostle. From that point on through the scripture. Before that, he's not. So there's still apostles of the Holy Spirit as well. But he's just making the point that, like, this. This didn't come through man in any way, shape, or form. This is still a thing today. Can you imagine a guy in a pulpit, he's in a church today, and he says, hey, I just want everybody here to know, like, I didn't get put here by man. I don't have any, like, letters behind my name.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, that'd be wild.

[Matthew Hepner]

I don't have any paperwork that says I graduated a cemetery. I'm like, burn that Bible school. I'm just some dude that the Lord appointed. Yeah, that would be wild. Yeah, because we're like, no, no, no. Everything has to be appointed by man. But here Paul goes to great lengths to make sure everybody knows, like, man did not put him in place.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah. So we're off to a rocky start.

[Matthew Hepner]

Isn't that wild?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, no, it's. It's wild.

[Matthew Hepner]

Like, I just want to make this clear up front. Man did not put me in the spots. Like, today, people do the exact opposite. They spend the first 10 minutes, like, explaining all their credentials given by man.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I. I want to say before we get into it, that yesterday I mentioned this sentiment that I'm sure has existed for some time, but now is, like, coming up. You know, it's. It's. It's boiling up to the surface on Twitter, and it's this idea of Paul was a murderer of Christians. Why should we take what he has to say seriously? And going through this, going through Galatians, I didn't get through the whole thing in. In typical fashion. But you read some of it. Yeah, but I understand, like, why you would want this guy out of the way. Like, if you had an agenda, let's say, and it was to orient people away from Christ, maybe a thing you could do is be like, why are you gonna listen to Paul?

[Matthew Hepner]

Wait, so that was your take as you were reading. It was like, hey, these guys.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

This guy's kind of problematic.

[Matthew Hepner]

Galatians away from Christ.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Well, specifically put into question Paul's testimony or Paul writing Galatians. Right. Because this is written by Paul. So if you can put into question Paul because he was a murderer and all this other stuff.

[Top Lobster]

It's not, it's not just. If you can put into question Paul. Paul is probably the worst person to choose to do this.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Well, it's also his message over and over again through this is just like, you know, forgive my French. But it's like your law.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Salvation comes through Jesus Christ. So if you're worried about snipping the skin off your dick and you think that's going to get you into.

[Matthew Hepner]

Shout out to the chat right there.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, they were talking about that earlier. And you think that that's going to get you into God's good graces. You know, Jesus is not what you need.

[Matthew Hepner]

You know the wrong guy because Paul's going to come in and just dismantle that.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Right. So. So if you can put in the question Paul. Yeah. You can put into question the law versus salvation through grace. And that's, you know, that's a, that's a fundamental thing to throw into flux.

[Matthew Hepner]

So another thing. In verse one, you know, the chick sparrow knows bear. She asks a lot about.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Matthew Hepner]

The Trinity, nature of God. Yeah. So shout out sparrow.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

She crushes.

[Matthew Hepner]

She does. So right here it says smashes or whatever it says by Jesus Christ and God the Father who raised him from the dead. So this is just one of those passages, there's several of them where it draws a distinction between Jesus and the Father. I don't. We don't have any note. Like I didn't give you any notes or anything. Right.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I wonder. You've really been slacking.

[Matthew Hepner]

Can we pull up like 1 Thessalonians 110? Well, we never have notes on this format. It's only on like straight Bible. No, I just feel like 1 Thessalonians 1:10. I'll pull up like 1 Peter 121. Just.

[Top Lobster]

Okay, so we're gonna, we're just gonna.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Do blue letter Bible.

[Top Lobster]

We'll do blue letter Bible today instead of this thing. That's fine.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

You know the thing that, that top labored on and prepared. No big deal.

[Top Lobster]

What's this?

[Matthew Hepner]

Him who by him do believe in God that raised him up from the dead. This is 1 Peter 1:21 talking about Jesus, who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, who by him do believe in God that raised him up from the dead and gave him glory, that your faith and hope might be in God. So it's not just that they're two separate persons, right? It's. There's a specific thing that God raised Jesus from the dead. Like, he didn't do it himself. God the Father raised him from the dead. And you could argue that the Holy Spirit is the Spirit that raised Christ from the dead.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Well, it's interesting, whenever you go, like, Christ had to leave so that the Holy Spirit can come, that's a fascinating thing to kind of. I don't know what to make of that, you know. You know, to draw a point out of it. But it is fascinating that in order for the Holy Spirit to come or the Helper to come, Christ has to leave.

[Top Lobster]

Is that. Is that a misnomer? Is that true?

[Matthew Hepner]

No, he said, that's true. He said, yeah, it's better for you that I go, because if not, the Helper won't come.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That's interesting.

[Top Lobster]

So when he comes back, does the helper then have to go? Like, can there only be one of these on Earth?

[Matthew Hepner]

Well, weren't you texting me about that passage the other day about the Restrainer? It's like, yeah, the restrainer leaves, then Jesus comes back. I'm not saying immediately, but, yeah, it looks like there's a.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

There are people that don't think that the Restrainer is the Holy Spirit, though. Some people think that the Restrainer is, you know, the Archangel Michael. Like, there's a bunch of different. The reigning theory is that the Restrainer is the Holy Spirit, but there are, like, alternative ideas, because I think what happens then is people struggle with the idea that the Holy Spirit would leave. You know, Christ being here physically means that the Holy Spirit no longer dwells within you. And how could you know? People don't. So the way they square it, I've seen all kinds of things from.

[Matthew Hepner]

Is that it's the Rapture. When the Rapture. No, but I'm saying the Holy Spirit in them, they're gone.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

The idea that the. The man of perdition can come to power after the Restrainer is removed, some people put into con. You know, they say, I don't think that that's the Holy Spirit. I think it's Archangel Michael or like, a number of other things. There's like three other things. I forget what they were, but I was like, oh, that's interesting. I thought it was unanimously accepted that this was the Holy Spirit.

[Matthew Hepner]

No, nothing.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

But it doesn't really explicitly say that.

[Matthew Hepner]

Nothing in the Church is unanimous.

[Top Lobster]

You'll learn that. Do you want to read First Thessalonians? Here, pull that up.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Okay. Here we Go, here we go, Here we go. Here we go.

[Matthew Hepner]

So what did we say?

[Top Lobster]

Verse 10, right?

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah. We could probably. They tell how you turn to God. Oh, actually, we could go back a little bit. I like. Just because this is a rad passage. Keep going. I'm not afraid to go back a little bit. For we know, brothers and sisters, loved by God, that he has chosen you because of our gospel. Because our gospel came to you not simply with words, but also with power, with the Holy Spirit and deep conviction. You know how we lived among you for your sake, not how we preached or how our doctrine was, but how we lived among you. You became imitators of us and of the Lord. For you welcome the message. What are we in niv?

[Top Lobster]

Oh, yeah, we were in that yesterday.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah. Oh, you want the fancy.

[Matthew Hepner]

It's all right, though.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

You want the king's English in the.

[Matthew Hepner]

Midst of severe suffering?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

No, kill the king's English, dude. It's fine. It's like a flex. He's like. He likes to flex.

[Matthew Hepner]

No, no, I just was like, like.

[Top Lobster]

Where are the these? And now I have.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

There's no these. And thou's here.

[Matthew Hepner]

And you became followers of us and of the Lord, having received the word and much affliction with joy of the Holy Ghost. So they received the word with much affliction. Enjoy the Holy Ghost. Because joy isn't set on circumstances, it's internals. You can be in affliction and still be enjoying the Holy Ghost. So that you were examples to all that believe in Macedonia and occasion, you're in affliction. For from you sounded out the word of the Lord not only in Macedonia, in Achaea, but also in every place your faith, the God word is spread abroad so that we. We need not to speak anything. Oh, you got me that. How do we get this chick on camera?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Is there any way we can get her? Look, she wants. I can tell she wants to be on camera so bad.

[Top Lobster]

Look at her.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Look at her.

[Matthew Hepner]

Look at her. You look really cute. You look like super hot. Just come say hi.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Unbelievable. Why are you pressuring her? That's not nice.

[Matthew Hepner]

I love that chick.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That chick's his wife. For context, Matt's very faithful for from.

[Top Lobster]

You sounded the word of the Lord not only in Macedonia.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

And see what happens when you stop reading ca.

[Top Lobster]

But also in every place. Your faith to God Word is your faith to God. Ward is spread abroad so that we need not speak anything.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah, he's saying, look, you were our fruit, but you went and cultivated fruit. Right? Only we were Talking about the unbroken chain yesterday. Like, the chain can't. We have to make sure the chain doesn't get broken. He's saying, like, it was legit what we did in you. Because look at what you went and did in the next group. That's what proved that our work was a legit work. That's what he's saying.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Fruits and seeds. And fruits and seeds.

[Matthew Hepner]

For they themselves show of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how you turn to God from idols to serve the living and true God and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead. Even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come. So I'm just saying there's a couple different passages to bring up the point that, like, Jesus didn't raise himself. God the Father did.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Right, right, right, right.

[Matthew Hepner]

And here's why it kind of becomes a thing. I know Sparrow knows Bear, who's a lovely lady and is like, is it a salvation issue?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

She's a smasher.

[Matthew Hepner]

Some would argue that it is. Someone argue that it is because of this passage in Romans 10:9, that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, you shall confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus. Not Savior Jesus, but Lord Jesus. Like, he's the final authority in your life. He's king over your life. He's lord over your life. If you shall confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Right.

[Matthew Hepner]

So that's why some people say, like, if you don't believe that God raised him from the dead, like, that's part of the. That's part of having salvation faith.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

But this is. This is something that is.

[Top Lobster]

Isn't that. Wouldn't that be an argument, though, for people who don't believe in that they're.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

One in the same. I mean, they're.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, they'd be like, okay, but even.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

When he dies, it's like. Or when. No, when he's baptized, what is it? It's like the Holy Spirit descends upon him like a dove. And what is God the Father doing in that moment?

[Matthew Hepner]

This is my beloved Son in whom I'm well pleased. He's saying, like, he's lived sinless up to this point. I'm putting my.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

But you have these three, for lack of a better expression, characters in play at the same time.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

So that furthers the idea that there's a separation. But it's. I like the way you put it. Is like, oh, mankind is having Trouble understanding the triune nature of the creator of the universe that, like, transcends time and space in the physical realm as we know it. Like, yeah, that's going to be a little bit. I mean, I probably gave you a little bit more. Grayson, you've. I don't know if you said all that. That was kind of wordy and honestly, pretty good on. On my behalf, and I think I deserve a couple of high fives, maybe.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah, no, that's solid. No, I don't. We don't want to touch a whole lot.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Oh, that's right. You're sick. But, yeah, not because of that.

[Matthew Hepner]

Because I saw you guys in that gay thumbnail the other day. Like, that's why I don't want to, like, touch.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That wasn't a real. We didn't have it.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yes, you did.

[Top Lobster]

Dude.

[Matthew Hepner]

I literally saw it.

[Top Lobster]

Love is.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Love is love. What is love?

[Matthew Hepner]

So embarrassing.

[Top Lobster]

Baby, don't hurt me.

[Matthew Hepner]

Oh, no.

[Top Lobster]

All right, well, let's continue.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah.

[Matthew Hepner]

Okay, so we're in verse one. Paul, an apostle, not a man, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ and God the Father who raised him from the dead, and all the brethren which are with me. This is who's writing unto the churches of Galatia. That's who they're writing to. Grace be to you and peace from God the Father and from our Lord Jesus Christ, who gave himself for our sins that he might deliver us from this present evil world according to the will of God and our Father. So there's a weird thing when, like, you see people that. I don't know, like, the church kids that, like, love Taylor Swifty and stuff, there's kind of just like, this crazy, like, worldly vibe.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Okay.

[Matthew Hepner]

And this love of, like.

[Top Lobster]

Like, if the church puts, like, the Grinch on the pulpit. Oh, or Santa. Yeah.

[Matthew Hepner]

I mean, the Grinch we can get down with, dude. Because he doesn't like Christmas.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

No, I think he's really, like, an actual demon.

[Top Lobster]

I'm pretty sure that's a demon.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah. But go ahead. Whatever.

[Matthew Hepner]

Either way, it's just this world. You're like, why does the church want to go back to the world? And you know what's really crazy about, like, Jesus died. That he might deliver us from this present evil world, and then we're going to take the name of Christ and still just love the things of the world and be enamored with the things of the world and be dazzled by the things of the world.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Are you saying that he didn't die so that we can gain access to the next T. Swift Bop.

[Matthew Hepner]

Exactly.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Something to think about.

[Top Lobster]

There's a thought. All right, let's continue.

[Matthew Hepner]

I mean, that's a big point, though.

[Top Lobster]

Do you?

[Matthew Hepner]

You know what I'm saying? Like, this is the. He gave himself for our sins that he might deliver us from this present evil world. I think if it's something that's so bad that Jesus died to deliver us from it, we should be mindful. We should be mindful of that. Okay. To whom be glory forever and ever. Amen.

[Top Lobster]

Amen.

[Matthew Hepner]

Now, this is. You guys might want to read. Can somebody else read?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I can't. I don't have it pulled up. You have it on the tv.

[Matthew Hepner]

You don't want to read?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

No, well, no, I don't. I can't read the King James version. I'm, you know, retarded.

[Matthew Hepner]

You have Galatians on the thing, don't you?

[Top Lobster]

I do, but I'll read it.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, go ahead.

[Top Lobster]

I marvel at. Ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel, which is not another, but there will be some that trouble you and would pervert the Gospel of Christ. I'm sure Matt has something to say about this.

[Matthew Hepner]

Well, no, I'm just saying, like, this is much different from any of the other introductions of Paul in any of his other letters. Right?

[Top Lobster]

So this is a problem with this church specifically.

[Matthew Hepner]

He's got. He's got an issue, and he's. He's hostile with them. He's not.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

He seems aggressive.

[Matthew Hepner]

He's not. Hey, la, la, la. Everything's cool. Like, if you look at all his other letters, he's. Somewhere in the intro is saying, I thank God for you.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I mean, to kill Christians. You'd probably say he's pretty intense when he's upset.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah, yeah, but. But that's what I'm saying. We have to understand the context of this book, just like we had to understand the context of Jude. Like, we have to understand, like. Okay, let's just notice a couple things. Right now, we're reading the intro. This intro is quite different from other intros. He doesn't say, I thank God for you. That's. That's crazy. That's a little wild. There's a church he's writing to, and he doesn't say, I thank God for you, which is unique. All the. All the other passages, all the other letters, he says that. All right, so. And. And now we're. Now we're being introduced to what the issue is. He doesn't say. He doesn't Say I thank God for you, said Marvel. Dude, I'm in shock at you guys, at how quick you're removed. You. You guys removed that quick. Like, I'm not even shocked that you left. I'm. I'm. I'm shocked at how quick it happened.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Matthew Hepner]

Because there was another gospel.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Any idea what the time frame is?

[Matthew Hepner]

What do you mean?

[Top Lobster]

Like from the time that they received this. Well, from the time that they started and were good to the time they.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Totally deviated at the end.

[Top Lobster]

And he's writing this letter.

[Matthew Hepner]

I don't know. I don't know. I mean, maybe we could go back and do the math if this is in the book.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

But it's probably within like 100 years.

[Top Lobster]

Not even.

[Matthew Hepner]

Not.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Not even 100 years.

[Matthew Hepner]

No, I mean, Paul was the one who delivered the gospel to them is what it seems like. And they've already turned away from it. So it's in Paul's lifetime. So you're getting. It can't be more than 10 years. I don't know. It was just. It's just my thoughts. It's probably a lot quicker than that, even.

[Top Lobster]

I Marvel. That's a. That's a disrespectful thing to say to somebody.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah, dude. He's saying, I'm in shock that you guys, like, you guys got delivered the true gospel and you're already moved away from it.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Chuck from Guam says Gnosticism started early.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, we just did an episode on. On this. Yeah, in a way, actually. I'm sure Matt doesn't really give a.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

No, he doesn't. He doesn't care.

[Matthew Hepner]

What.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Because you don't really care what we do.

[Matthew Hepner]

Make it out like I'm just a monster.

[Top Lobster]

Like my workers monster. My. My, My servants. I don't really care what they do.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Right. Yeah, that's how it feels.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

But the episode we did was about Stranger Things and the message underneath it, which I think Wes brought up a really good point. It's preaching the Gnostic gospel, which is. Yeah, the gospel. It's like the gospel of Jesus Christ, but everything turned upside down, which is.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

You know what he said about, like the likening to the Tower of Babel.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

How they use that tower to enter this realm and to try to kill.

[Top Lobster]

Exploding city, which is like New Jerusalem. And then the guys. The main bad guy's kind of like crucified in his. In his thing there. He has. In order to bring this city down, he has to have his 12 children.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah.

[Matthew Hepner]

This is on Stranger Things.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

And he's putting his spirit in them. So when they're liberated from him, they exhale the spirit of this thing.

[Top Lobster]

His backstory, before he becomes possessed with this. Because they're switching God with the demi with the demiurge.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Before he. Before he picks this thing up and gets this demiurge in him.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

You know what that is?

[Top Lobster]

He shot through the hand, right through the palm.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

It's.

[Top Lobster]

It's crazy.

[Matthew Hepner]

Well, no, there's a lot of subtle.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Well, check this out, Matt. All conspiracy leads to basically, eventually, if you keep going and leaning on your own understanding, leads to a giant deception called Gnosticism, where the God of this earth is actually the demiurge who has imprisoned us here. This is a prison planet that we're in. And so it's like. It's. It's something that's kind of been weighing on me lately because there is a diminishing returns in pursuing the truth. If you don't come to the conclusion that Jesus Christ is the truth and then lean on God and pursue God instead, you start to come to the conclusion because of actual little breadcrumbs that are left for you that God is the enemy.

[Matthew Hepner]

Right.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

And that God has imprisoned us here.

[Matthew Hepner]

And that Jesus was that, hey, God won't let you eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. I came and freed you and let you eat from it.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

It's. It is. It's the. If you don't get off the conspiracy train at some point. Which is why, like, you know, now we kind of. I look at it and I go, these are fun things. I like to talk about them. Chris Bledsoe's got an orb that's got a date in it that it's not true actually, at all. Anyway.

[Matthew Hepner]

But I'm excited to have Wes on Stray Bible. That's going to be a really good.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Well, we talked to him and we said, don't do that.

[Matthew Hepner]

No, it's going to be a great interview.

[Top Lobster]

Not going to be a good look for your career. Wes.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, Wes got the call from us.

[Matthew Hepner]

Interview episodes are going to be great.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That's not what a straight Bible's about.

[Matthew Hepner]

Let's see, we'll stab Steven from Biblical Hitman after that. I mean, it's going to be some good shows about.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

But I mean, he can come here. He can go on Netflix.

[Matthew Hepner]

Okay. I marvel that you're so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel. But just so we're clear, it's not another gospel, but there be some that trouble you and would pervert the gospel of Christ. So it's a perverted gospel. But here's what Paul says, man, though we or an angel from heaven preach any other gospel unto you than that. Than that which we have preached unto you, let him be cursed.

[Top Lobster]

Shout out Mormons.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Which is interesting because it suggests then an angel from heaven is. Can preach another gospel to you. So, you know, an angel from heaven is capable of deceiving you.

[Top Lobster]

Which is why I think, like, the Mormonism, the angel Moroni, they're like, oh, you think that that's a fakery? I was like, no, I think that's real.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

I think that this verse just tells you that he's cursed. Yeah, don't do that.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That's a great point.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah. And the false preachers are cursed. He's. He goes, hey, and I'm guessing Paul knows who this is who came to the Galatian Church, preach this false gospel. He said, yeah, just to be clear, that dude's cursed. So I don't know. This should carry a lot of weight for a lot of dudes before they start preaching a false preacher is cursed. So, I don't know. I just think people should just think long and hard before they start preaching. They should start to really make sure they understand what they're saying and make sure they're. What they're doing and make sure they know that there's, like, eternal consequences for all of this. And he says, just to make it clear, just so you guys don't think I, like, slurred my speech as we said before. So say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that you have received, let him be cursed.

[Top Lobster]

Is this why you're getting so emotional about the. The comments on your latest episode?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Oh, yeah, he's been. He's been waiting on it.

[Top Lobster]

I've been reading the comments too.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, I saw some people say, some like, we're spreading. I don't know. I'm like, what? Yeah, I asked him, what. What are you talking about? What. What false teachings are being spread here?

[Top Lobster]

Well, they think that we're under the. Under the law still.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

It seems pretty clear in this book that we're no longer under the law, but under the grace of God.

[Matthew Hepner]

Well, I think that what people are afraid of, especially the people in the comments. I don't. I don't think anybody in the comments was like, had an evil heart. I. I really don't. I think that their take is like, oh, you're saying that it's okay for us to do whatever we want, like. Okay, then you didn't watch the episode if that was your take.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Right?

[Matthew Hepner]

We're not under the law.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

But is that what Paul's saying? Paul's not saying you could do whatever you want because we're saved by grace instead of the law.

[Matthew Hepner]

No, he's saying, okay, basically the teaching is like. Like even think about these passages where Jesus says, you, you know, in the law, if you commit adultery, it's a sin. But I'm telling you now, if you even look upon a woman to lust, you've committed sin. You've committed adultery already in your heart. The law was this external thing, right, that, like, kept you in place. It's like when you're bowling with the kids and they put the bumper lanes on.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah.

[Matthew Hepner]

The law is like bumper lanes, Right. If you're hitting strikes because you got bumper lanes on, that's okay. You're under the law. Right. But you want to hit strikes because you're bowling straight. Right. So the law in the kingdom of God now is just that we remove that. Yeah, Everything's internal. You're hitting strikes now. Not because you need the bumpers in place, not because you need this external force on you. Because if you still lust after a woman, you've committed adultery in your heart. Right. The problem is the external law. The Mosaic law can produce hypocrisy. It does produce hypocrisy. You can never break the law. But all the while you want to bone some chick other than your wife, and the only reason you don't do it is because the law says you can't. Well, Jesus comes along, the Holy Spirit lives inside of us to change that. To change that.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Right.

[Matthew Hepner]

So that's why we're not under the law. Right. And so if people take that to say, oh, he's saying that you can commit adultery. Of course I'm not saying that because I'm not saying that. Watch the episode. I'm saying you no longer desire to commit adultery and therefore you're not under the law.

[Top Lobster]

Isn't it fun, the Internet, where you can do like a well thought out explanation of something and it doesn't matter?

[Matthew Hepner]

Doesn't matter.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Doesn't matter.

[Top Lobster]

Do you see why I am the way I am, Matt?

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah, that's what this is all about.

[Top Lobster]

No, no.

[Matthew Hepner]

Validate yourself.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

No, that doesn't explain the Twitter times, though. Like that.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, but this is why, you know.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah. We went to great lengths to explain that. We spent, what, an hour and a half episode and people still just missed it.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Well, that's the same thing with the little season where Ed Mabry goes to great lengths. And I still see people in the comments section, like, he just doesn't get it. And it's like, what part, dude, what part wrote him?

[Top Lobster]

He wrote a book on it.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

He addresses it.

[Top Lobster]

Doesn't matter what part.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Like, why. He just doesn't get it.

[Matthew Hepner]

And there's another thing about the law that's. That's tricky too. Like, if you look at, like, look at Psalm 119, man, it's A. It's a. It's a. It's a book about the law, but the law. There's the Mosaic Law, which is what we're talking about. You're not under the Mosaic Law, which I don't know who thinks they can be, like, did you get circumcised on the eighth day? And if you did, like, what sacrifice did you bring to the temple? And where. Where's this temple? Yeah, like, you can't be under the law anymore. Like, you. Nobody can be under the Mosaic Law. It's just this very bizarre thing. But there is the law of the Lord, right? Like, if you look at Psalm 119, even just in verse one, bless are the undefiled in the way who walk in the law of the Lord, right? So there is this element of, like, the law of God, the eternal sovereign law of God in his ways that don't change because he doesn't change. He's eternal. The Mosaic Law, which we're going to read in Galatians, had a beginning. So that can't be the law of God. It can't be the law of God, right? Also, there's places where, like, the. The whole Bible itself is referred to as the law. So sometimes, like, we're not all talking about the same thing. So when people are saying you're still under the law, like God's law, eternal law, that's always existed before the Mosaic Law, after Amen. That's fine. That's fine. We're specifically talking about the Mosaic Law that you're not under. And it's very intriguing that wrapped up in that is the Ten Commandments, which does have a command about the Sabbath day, which the New Testament says that we covered. Let no man judge you on how you do the Sabbath. Like. Like, whether you do it, don't do it, whatever. That's up to you. So that's intriguing, but I. But again, the whole point of that message was that people love rules. They want to have rules so they can go down the box Go down the list and just check the boxes is.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, yeah. And when presented with sovereignty, it does seem like a cop out. Like, what. I mean, after reading the scripture that you presented and reading the comments of these people, like, oh, well, you know, Revelation 14. And it's like, it just. This kind of does seem like you want someone to hold your hand through this. Like, are you. I'm scared too, but take some responsibility.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah, but at the end of the day, it's the law's external. It can never do what the kingdom of God, what God does in us. Now the law is an external law, right? Like, that's what it all comes down to is like it's about internals now. Like that. Like this whole beef with the Pharisees and everything was that they were people who were under the law and fulfilled the external rule of the law to the T. And they were lost. They were gone. They didn't know God because it wasn't internal. And that's why it becomes dangerous to say, oh no, I'm under the law. I'm going to fulfill all these external observances and then I'm going to be right with God.

[Top Lobster]

That's actually what whitewashed tombs. And then inside.

[Matthew Hepner]

And you can't. You have to be very humble. You have to be very. You can't be prideful because you don't have anything you can point to and go, look, I'm saved. Look how good I'm doing. I do this, this, this and this. Because everywhere you see that in the scripture, it's pride.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

But that's exactly what they do it. There was like last year, I forgot who it was, but some, some like pretty big Jew on Twitter, I said it sounds weird when I say it, but it's just, you know, it is what it is. They're a big account and they're Jewish, and that's the whole point of the account. And they were saying something to the effect of when you see the. The fishing line around, you know, Brooklyn or whatever it is, that that's actually. It shows how much the Jews care about interacting with God and obeying God's law and trying desperately to not, you know, disobey the law. So. So if anything, it's a marker of how much they do care about God. And. But what you're talking about here is like, yeah, that's, that's. You become so obsessed with the law and the things that you're supposed to do and the things that you're supposed to keep that. And then you do it all to the T. And you're nowhere near God.

[Matthew Hepner]

You miss it. Yeah, yeah, that's the danger. But I mean, whatever God does, everything he wants to do, however he wants to do it, and all we're doing is, like, reading his word and clearly showing what his word says. Because we could debate whether that's a good way to do it or not, but it's the way God chose to do it. For do I now persuade men or God, or do I seek to please men?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

You have to go. You have to. You have to scream. You have to go. Get out of me.

[Matthew Hepner]

Sick. For if I yet get off man, I should not be the servant of Christ. Yeah, statement, dude. That is quite the statement, man. For if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ. Like, if I'm set on trying to please man, I'm no servant of Christ. I'm just a faker and a hypocrite. It just. Again, here's another verse where he's going to great lengths to explain that, like, he doesn't care what man thinks. It's like when you guys read this letter and everybody goes, oh, he's saying we're not under the law. Yeah, this guy. No, Paul. Yeah, man. He's living in sin. He's saying we're not under the law anymore. He's like, I don't care. I don't care. I just want to make clear, you guys know, I don't care. I'm a servant of Christ. But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ, bro. So Jesus explained to Paul all of this, right? And he learned it by revelation. He didn't learn it by man.

[Top Lobster]

Would you believe somebody today that said that? I know, that's like a. That's like a rough sentence. That's just where my mind goes.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah, I would. Yeah, absolutely. If somebody said that they got a Bible and started communicating with God. I mean, that's what we're doing when we're praying, right? We're communicating with God. People are receiving. Understand? Now, exactly what was he trying to do with that by saying that? I don't know. That could get a little Sketchesaurus rex, you know what I mean? And I think people that have, like, these personal revelations that don't have to do with the word of God and aren't consistent with the word of God, and a lot of times you find out they're using that. To manipulate people and that gets a little weird.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That's hard too, because we've. I've heard personally stories. Not more personally. Like I've heard it with my own.

[Top Lobster]

Profits that are out there, people.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Well, think about Tila Tequila having sex with Jesus.

[Top Lobster]

That's. That's a.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That's. Tequila came out. I know it's obvious, but like, not Tequila. Tequila.

[Top Lobster]

How about Brandon Biggs?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I don't know who he is.

[Top Lobster]

He's. Yeah, he's a bold guy. He looks like a thumb.

[Matthew Hepner]

Oh.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Oh, yeah. What the hell is he? He's one of the alien guys, right? Oh, no, no, he's. I remember him. He's the prophet.

[Top Lobster]

The Trump prophet.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah. Trump prophet. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I don't know.

[Top Lobster]

He says a lot of stuff that doesn't happen. Says just real weird.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I don't know. Is there anything in the Bible about. Yeah, ignoring prophets? Like, a prophet emerges and says, like I have this prophetic word. You go off.

[Top Lobster]

It's dangerous though, because they're like, out of a thousand, there might be one real one. And the rest of these guys are doing shady stuff. It's like, if you do get listened to, they'll probably cut your head off, I guess, if you're successful.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Matthew Hepner]

I couldn't imagine, like a real prophet finding his way through the social media channels.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

If God.

[Matthew Hepner]

That would be like.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Well, I mean.

[Matthew Hepner]

No, no. Amen. Amen. I'm just saying, like, yeah, people would. People wouldn't know what to do with that.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, it's a weird situation to be.

[Matthew Hepner]

In, but this is just another example of a man being taught directly by God. Right. Like, we've talked about this a lot. Okay. Can somebody else read? Man, my throat is.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Every time we read, you read.

[Matthew Hepner]

I think I'm not going to jump in for a minute though.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

King James version. Which. Which one are we, 13?

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

You don't know that. Okay. Yeah, we do know that. For ye have heard my conversation in time passed in the Jews religion how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God and washed it.

[Matthew Hepner]

Wasted it.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Wasted it. Dude. I don't even know. Like, I'm reading that. I'm like, what does that mean? Dude? Is it. This is. I. I got to admit that King James version just throws me.

[Top Lobster]

Wasted the church, bro.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah, he was persecuting it. He was wasting it. He was like, if not killing himself, he was involved in the killing of others, going into houses, ripping them out of their houses, talking about the, like.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Destroying the church and profited in The Jews religion above many my equals in mine own nation being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my father. So he's talking about himself.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah, he's saying, like, within that religion, within the Jewish religion, I was under the law.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I was a big pimp.

[Matthew Hepner]

I was crushing.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I was crushing. See, this is. We need Gen Z Bible, bro. I was a big pimp in the Jewish religion. Religion.

[Matthew Hepner]

He was raised under Gamma Leal, which isn't right here, but in other passages, talked about. He sat under Gamma Leo. He was taught much, and he was just crushing. And he was saying this was very beneficial for me. Like, it was not beneficial for me to leave that.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

So he's trying to put into contrast, like, look what I'm doing now. And look how hard I was crushing when I was in the Jewish religion.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Matthew Hepner]

I'm not doing this for personal gain. Like, I'm only doing this because it's the truth.

[Top Lobster]

It's the opposite of personal gain. But in, I guess within. Within this Jewish religion, was his job supposed to be. I guess he was a zealot. So he's the guy that's like, enforcing the law.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Hmm.

[Matthew Hepner]

I mean, I don't know. He was. He was just a dude that was like. Yeah, that was somehow.

[Top Lobster]

Because, like, a zealot would be. I don't know. I guess somebody, like, they say that, like, Judas might have been more. More of a zealot or tied to some sort of, like, political movement, and he might have wanted Jesus to take some political action. Which.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, Atma says sounds like he was an inquisitor or something.

[Top Lobster]

But then. Yeah, but then in. In this religion, there's also like, the priests and the Pharisees. The guys are like, walking around with the robes and they just do the reading.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

He was an enforcer.

[Top Lobster]

This dude had a sword. Allowed to do that in Rome, too.

[Matthew Hepner]

Seems that way, ma'. Am.

[Top Lobster]

All right, all right.

[Matthew Hepner]

But when it pleased God who separated me from my mother's womb and called me by his grace to reveal his son in me that I might preach him among the heathen immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood. So now he's saying, look, man, God called me, the same God who called me, who separated me from my mother's womb, he called me by his grace, and he called me specifically to reveal his son in me, Right? So, like, as Paul's going around, he's showing people Christ in him. It wasn't just to reveal God to him, to reveal his son to him. It was to reveal his son in Him. Okay, maybe you can keep reading.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I was gonna, but it's not on the TV screen anymore.

[Matthew Hepner]

Oh, this is brutal with the throat man.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, it's really gross. Where were I conferred? Not with flesh and blood. Neither one of the does this. 17. Yep. Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me, but I went into Arabia and returned again unto Damascus. Then after three years, I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter and abode with him for 15 days.

[Matthew Hepner]

Okay, so this is an intriguing topic. Dude, this. This is actually a pretty intriguing topic. The same way we think about, like, Moses, you know, he flees Egypt. He's on the backside of the desert for 40 years, kind of in solitude. Elijah. We read a lot about Elijah living in solitude. God told him, go hide yourself. It looks like God more or less tells Paul, go hide yourself. Like, a lot of people miss this, but this is where it says that, like, once God called him, he immediately did not confer with flesh and blood. Like, he's making a point of saying, I didn't go make sure everybody was cool with what I was doing.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Oh, that's interesting. That's, like, when I felt like God told me to go talk to Clint, and I was like, let me talk to my friends about it. Let me talk to Pastor Rick about it.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah. He made a point of not getting the opinion of man.

[Top Lobster]

Damn.

[Matthew Hepner]

You know what I mean? Like, Paul goes harder. It's just so opposite today. Like, everybody today, every time they make a point, they want to be like, well, well, look, I'm holding the view of this guy, this guy, this guy, and this guy Paul's like, I don't care.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Right?

[Matthew Hepner]

Like, I went and got directly with God.

[Top Lobster]

And maybe. You know what? I will say this. Maybe I don't know what happened to you after you came under some attack. That's probably just some. That you were having. Anyway. Clint's a douchebag, I don't think.

[Matthew Hepner]

Wait, what? What's going on?

[Top Lobster]

No, no, because it continues to come up. Oh, well, I made a mistake. Clint, we. You reached out to him a bunch of times.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

It was a guy that left you high and dry in a situation that had high stakes. As a matter of fact, tried to spike what you were doing.

[Matthew Hepner]

Okay. But the Raven is a Christian and doesn't hold a grudge.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

He doesn't get it. He'll get it one day. It's fine. Let's keep it.

[Matthew Hepner]

And he pursues peace with all men because that's what the scripture teaches us. Cool.

[Top Lobster]

This is again, like, I said, this is a dude that might be wrapped up in some. That, I don't know, I don't think you're ready to handle.

[Matthew Hepner]

But. Okay, but you gotta, like. He doesn't have to handle anything. He just wanted to reach out and say, hey, man. Just want you to know it's okay. So hard feelings here, man. No grudges.

[Top Lobster]

There is hard feelings.

[Matthew Hepner]

No, not for the Raven. He's born again. He knows that God has delivered him from, like, much, much deeper and weightier and heavier.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I have all the hot dogs I could ever want right now.

[Matthew Hepner]

He owes God so much more. So, like, he doesn't hold a grudge against the next guy who did something bad to him.

[Top Lobster]

He's not about holding a grudge as.

[Matthew Hepner]

Bad as what I did to Jesus.

[Top Lobster]

What's dead is dead. What's dead is dead. What's gone is gone.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I just was told to do a thing, and I didn't do it.

[Top Lobster]

I don't know. If you were told to do a thing, I think you felt bad.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

You wouldn't know, would you?

[Top Lobster]

I would know. What I would know is that. All right, we'll bring it up here. You felt bad. You got kind of soft. These people were kind of got soft. These people were dead wrong. And the way to deal with them.

[Matthew Hepner]

And say, no, that's one way to deal with them. Yeah, which doesn't mean you're wrong.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I think what I should have done was I should have gotten to, like, an elongated Twitter war and stewed on it constantly until my days and nights were filled with unbridled rage.

[Matthew Hepner]

I don't like that.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Made everybody around me. I don't feel the unbridled rage. That's what I should.

[Matthew Hepner]

This feels like when my dad backhanded my mom at the dinner table. I don't like this.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

All right, okay.

[Matthew Hepner]

That never really happened.

[Top Lobster]

But I just.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I was like, damn, dude.

[Top Lobster]

What I'm saying, maybe these guys were faggots. And maybe you're right to just be.

[Matthew Hepner]

Like, okay, but maybe you guys are both right. You kind of just went like this and said, I'm done with it, but I'm not holding a grudge and I don't hate them. And the Raven said, you know what? I'm going. I'm going to take the extra step. I'm going to reach out and try to make peace.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Did I ever tell you how it happened? It was put on my heart over and over again. I pulled up to a stoplight, I said to my wife, this weird thing's been on me, My wife. This weird thing has been on me that I should reach out to Clint. I don't know what to make of it. We're sitting at that light. He pulls up at the light across from us.

[Matthew Hepner]

No way.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, dude.

[Matthew Hepner]

Top. Come on, man.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

But no, top's right.

[Top Lobster]

No, come on. What? I'm driving. I'm driving on 441 and I see a fucking douchebag in a multicolored Corvette. And I go, there's Clint. Yeah, he lives here. You're gonna. You might see him in the fucking most obvious car ever. The guy is a. He's an asshole.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That's it.

[Top Lobster]

Straight up.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

And we're. Wait.

[Matthew Hepner]

Not hold a grudge.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Well, we're not right now.

[Top Lobster]

But the reality of the situation is this. This person is not a good person. Don't even worry about it. And also, probably tied up.

[Matthew Hepner]

You weren't a good person.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Jesus saved me when I wasn't.

[Top Lobster]

I think that there are levels. I think that there are also levels of maliciousness. Paul was a murderer and intent.

[Matthew Hepner]

Okay. But whatever. We're just like, whatever. We know that. You may know that about him. I don't know him, so I don't know. But you may know that about him. So you just keep that in your back pocket, but you don't hold a grudge.

[Top Lobster]

No, we're good. We're done. Right?

[Matthew Hepner]

And I thought it was cool that, you know, Raven reached out, wanted to make peace. Man, that's honorable.

[Top Lobster]

I just. Don't blame me.

[Matthew Hepner]

Okay. So I didn't go up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me, but I went into Arabia and returned again into Damascus. Then after three years. So he's like three years in solitude. After three years, I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and I hung out with him 15 days.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

And this is like God calls him to do this.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah, He. He's. Dude, he's going through this whole thing to say, I did not learn this from anybody and I Not. I didn't double check it with anybody. I. I know this from God. Just to make clear. Because I'm about to. I'm about to go after you guys, and I want to make clear, you understand where this is coming from. Okay? But other of the apostles saw none except James, the Lord's brother. Now, the things which I write in you, behold before God, I lie not. Afterwards, I came into the regions of Syria and Cilicia and was unknown by face under the churches of Judea, which were in Christ. But they had heard only that he which persecuted us in time past, now preached the faith which once he destroyed, and they glorified God in me. So he's, like, showing up to these churches, and they didn't know who he was, but they had all heard the story of this dude who's just killing off Christians.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

But didn't they treat him well when he arrived? I was reading it, and he, like, later on thanks them. Oh, but it wasn't until he started preaching the gospel.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah, I mean, he. He does tell the Galatians specifically, like, you guys took such good care of me when I was there with you. And he's saying, like, what happened to you now?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Now that I'm telling you the truth.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah, like, what's going on?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah. Okay.

[Matthew Hepner]

But this is specifically just saying, like, that when he showed up, he says after three years, he went up to Jerusalem, and in Jerusalem, they knew who he was because that's where he had been killing and ripping people out of their houses and stuff. They. They knew his reputation, but it wasn't like his picture was on Facebook. And they could be like, oh, there's Paul. It wasn't like that. So now he shows up, he's in congregations. He's, like, meeting with people, and they.

[Top Lobster]

Find out who he is.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah. Or. Or not for a while, maybe until, you know, until some point, they're like, yeah, we heard the story. Imagine he's like, yeah, that's me, man.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I just thought of something before we go any further. A moment ago, you said, stop blaming you.

[Matthew Hepner]

Right.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That's what you said to me. Stop blaming you. I've been taking responsibility for my role. I've not blamed you. I've not blamed you once. I've been saying, don't blame me for this. Who's blaming you, dog? I'm taking ultimate responsibility for me not doing what I felt called to do.

[Top Lobster]

But then let it go. This is what I'm. What I'm ultimately saying is, like, whether it be, pass. Oh, we wanted to see Pastor Rick. Yeah. Danny told me not to. I should have listened to. It's done.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I don't let it go because it was a fascinating moment in my life.

[Top Lobster]

I think the right move, though, is to just not have contact with. This is not a good dude.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I mean, I don't have an option. He doesn't answer anything.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah, but that doesn't mean he has to think like that.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

No, but I'm not gonna.

[Matthew Hepner]

Christ. And we're a little bit different. Like, your. Your method is like, you're done. I'm cutting you off, I'm done with you. That's okay. So it's also reaching out to say, hey man, I just want to make peace before I never see you again.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Well, I, I don't let it go because it was a fascinating moment in my life. It was like from where I'm sitting, very clear and observable to the things that happened. It was like a spiritual thing. I understand like what I did wrong and then what came of it and then like what to do in the future. So I don't let it go because it's like, it's a thing to look back on and to like learn from. I'm like, okay. That was very clear. It's a, in my opinion, it's a danger to forget that. I don't want to forget that.

[Matthew Hepner]

There's a truth in that. They say that the people that row the boats. You know what I'm saying? You're rowboating, but you're facing that way. But rowing that way, that there is markers that you look at that way that you line up with this way. And you do need to keep an eye on the past.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Like I remember that and I go.

[Matthew Hepner]

What'S behind you that you're rowing? And you make sure you don't forget those things. Here's something to that.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, but here's the reality of it. And maybe it's a little self serving for me. I've already been burned not once, but probably twice by the same dude. Like I said, I've explained it on the show multiple times. Probably close to $20,000 in medical bills because I let somebody into my house and I'm probably, I'm actually like convinced of this. I let somebody into my house that shouldn't have been there. I was naive. This is before I even knew you. And my life went completely upside down, downhill. At the point when I first moved to Florida, where I thought I was like, yo, I'm just gonna go back.

[Matthew Hepner]

Do you think Clint orchestrated that or Clint did that?

[Top Lobster]

I don't know. But what I do know is that what I do know is how witchcraft is spread. And when you put blood and shit on sexual device like a panties and you leave that somewhere, you do something to a place. It's just, I, I don't know. But I. What I do know is right after that, my kids were sick for months. My wife was deathly sick. My life got turned upside down. All the savings that I had, all the savings that I had from selling my house got poured into that. So I deal with this one thing. And then when it's revealed to me that this is possibly a spiritual attack with somebody that I just cut ties with, and then a partner that I'm in business with goes, I want to open up that door again, I go, hey, man, I don't fucking know if you should, because I'm tied to you. You're tied to me, and I'm tied to you in an intrinsic way. I don't even want nothing. I don't want nothing to do with this. And to be honest, Dave, I don't think you. I don't think you're ready to deal with if. If that is the case. I don't know if you're ready to deal with that.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Deal with what?

[Top Lobster]

Whatever comes with that. Because I was not ready. I got turned, like, my life got turned completely upside down.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

It's.

[Top Lobster]

And it's not a joke. Like, we make jokes about this shit on the show. It was really bad.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Really bad.

[Top Lobster]

So when that happens in my life and it's cut off, I said, thank God, and I'm moving forward. And I think the reality is. And again, I did. I did reach out because you know what? Let me apologize. Doors closed. Perfect.

[Matthew Hepner]

Wait, so you did the same thing he did then after.

[Top Lobster]

I'm not going to his house. I'm not making contact.

[Matthew Hepner]

Oh, you went to his house?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

No, I was. I was going to. That's what I felt like I was called to do. That's what's on my spirit at the time. And then I saw him.

[Matthew Hepner]

Well, whatever, though. I mean, that's a valid point.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

No. Yeah.

[Matthew Hepner]

I don't lay out a very valid point.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, it's like. Because as you go, I go. When you do bad, I do bad.

[Matthew Hepner]

Okay. But if he's just saying, hey, I just want to make sure there's no grudge, and I don't want anything on my conscience, and this is the end, but I just want to reach out and make peace with you.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, I never elaborated beyond that. I just said.

[Matthew Hepner]

He's not saying.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

It was just put on me to reach out to him. That's all.

[Top Lobster]

But you admit I. I get it. I get it, and that's fine. But I got to preserve myself, too, because that's. That's like, dangerous territory. I don't, like. I don't know if you realize that.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

No, yeah, I do.

[Top Lobster]

That's.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Extremely dangerous if. If what I'm assuming is correct and. And we understood it as a spiritual, like, not just a spiritual attack, but it was like, this was Something that didn't make any sense at the time period. And it was all again, once again turned upside down in a huge way. I'm like, I'm not just. I'm not opening up that door.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That's not nice. Mr. Eugenics says Clint would have beaten my eyes shut. There's no realm in which Clint could ever beat my eyes shut. That's a ridiculous notion. I just want to allow that. That's. That it's about that for me. That's a crazy. A crazy notion.

[Top Lobster]

Some doors are shut, and that's fine, and I'm happy to not play the hero.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

No, I mean, it's definitely shut and done now. I'm like, this time came and passed. Nothing came of it. It is what it is.

[Top Lobster]

I got things to do and build, and if I'm gonna go to hell because I didn't look back, then so be it. But what.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

No, no, no, listen.

[Top Lobster]

Then if I have to pay a price, if I'm being punished for. For going, hey, that was clearly a trap and I was freed from it, why would I turn around and go back in?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

You weren't being.

[Matthew Hepner]

That's honorable. But. But it doesn't mean that the way he's handling it is not honorable, too.

[Top Lobster]

I'm just saying I don't think your punishment had anything to do with you just going, yeah, man, that was horrible. Not going back.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Well, I repented of it, specifically that. And then it all stopped on a dime after I drew the correlation. So, I mean, I don't know correlation doesn't always equal causation, but that's what I felt. And we're dealing with spiritual intangible things, so I think your impression of a thing counts for quite a bit.

[Top Lobster]

Could be. Could be. Discernment counts for a little bit. A little bit as well. And we have to understand when some things are out of our control, when some things are in. So, like, not everything is necessarily a spiritual attack. Some things are. Some things aren't. I'm not. Listen, I don't know. I can't speak for you, but what I do know is that that door shut. That was Right. And that was not to be looked back on. Simple as that.

[Matthew Hepner]

I thought you reached out to him, too.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, no, afterward, like, much after. And the door is shut. And the door should. And the door should.

[Matthew Hepner]

It's just you guys. So you both did the same thing. You both reached out.

[Top Lobster]

It's different. Going, somebody's make peace. No, no, no. Going up on somebody unaware when a door is shut is different than afterward. Like, just going to someone's house. I don't know. I'm like, all right, that's like. Are we. Are we supposed to do that? That's. Again, I don't know the answer. But what I do know is that, like, I'm not fucking with it. That's done. And that's fair. Yeah. And, hey, my life has been pretty much good since. So. Sorry. Sorry you went through that.

[Matthew Hepner]

This is madness right now.

[Top Lobster]

No, it's not madness.

[Matthew Hepner]

Because it's kind of madness. I mean, like, I just wanted to do his thing.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

No, I just wanted to elaborate. I never blamed you for anything.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I only blamed myself for disobedience.

[Matthew Hepner]

You gotta remember, the Raven has disobedience. No, ego, man. He was raised by wolves, dude. He has, like, no emotions.

[Top Lobster]

Not about ego.

[Matthew Hepner]

Doesn't have ego. He, like. He never blamed you for it.

[Top Lobster]

But it's not about disobedience either. It's like, what Told you that? Is that another, like. I don't know.

[Matthew Hepner]

I don't think it's wrong. If God wanted him to, like, make amends, make a final piece with a guy before he cuts him off.

[Top Lobster]

I don't know.

[Matthew Hepner]

I don't think that's a terrible thing. And I don't think it's a terrible thing for you to not do that before he's cut off. It's. It's. Whatever. There's freedom in Christ. We're a body. Everybody kind of handles stuff different. You, you know, you got hit a little bit different from Clint with everything you just detailed with poop and the blood and the. Everything else. You know what I mean? And you said that was before Raven was even around. So he has, like, this different, you know, relationship with them. And it's just, you know, hey, you handled it one way, he handled another. That's okay.

[Top Lobster]

Right? I guess the question is, what do you do when you're tied? You're. You're moving on a boat with somebody in a direction, and that felt like.

[Matthew Hepner]

He was jeopardizing your ways in some. In some way, like he was jeopardizing. No.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. If you. The truth of the matter is, this show doesn't work if David's not on it. It doesn't work if I'm not on it.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That's a spirit of fear.

[Top Lobster]

Remains to be seen.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

No, that's a spirit of fear.

[Top Lobster]

I think it's a spirit of logic.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Peacemakers. God gives you a spirit of peace and of sound mind. If something was put on me and I Went to go do it. That's between me and God.

[Top Lobster]

Okay.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I didn't go do it. And that's between me and God.

[Top Lobster]

All right.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah. I mean, you guys are both wholehearted committed to what you're doing. He's saying, like, yeah, there's no chance that something with Clint's gonna stop me from doing what I'm doing.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

No, definitely not.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, again, you don't.

[Matthew Hepner]

But.

[Top Lobster]

But will it slow you down? I don't know.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I don't know. I don't.

[Matthew Hepner]

Let's see what Paul says.

[Top Lobster]

I made. I made one mistake of letting somebody just enter into my house for.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Did God call you to let him enter your house?

[Top Lobster]

I wasn't involved in. Like, I was not.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Okay, well, that's a different situation. Then God called me to do a thing. I disobeyed. That's between me and God. I repented of it.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Okay.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I mean, based off of what I. Are you sure it's not.

[Top Lobster]

I don't know.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Well, we're dealing with the intangible Holy Spirit. So if we're going to throw everything into flux every time I feel like the Holy Spirit talks to me or the Holy Spirit talks to you, we're not going to do shit that it calls us to do.

[Top Lobster]

That's a good point.

[Matthew Hepner]

It's a fair point.

[Top Lobster]

I guess what I'm saying is.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Clint.

[Matthew Hepner]

Okay, that's fair.

[Top Lobster]

All right.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Fair.

[Top Lobster]

Perfect. Let's move on.

[Matthew Hepner]

Then 14 years after, I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas and took Titus with me also, and I went up by Revelation. There's no way I can keep reading.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

How come you're good all the time, and then when you start reading, you call.

[Matthew Hepner]

I start. I don't know. I don't. I'm, like, holding it in for, like, a lot of the words, and then it just. Boom.

[Top Lobster]

And I went up by Revelation and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles.

[Matthew Hepner]

So there's a 14 year gap. Like, he's out doing his thing. Like, what we. I think it's. I'm pretty sure, like, stuff we see in the Book of Acts where he's going on, like, mission trips, if you will. He's going out, going to towns, establishing churches, doing his thing. And then 14 years later, then he goes back to Jerusalem with Barnabas and he takes Titus with him.

[Top Lobster]

Okay.

[Matthew Hepner]

And he went up because God told him to. Kind of like what Raven's saying. I went up by Revelation and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them, which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run or had run in vain. So he. So he does meet with people, like, 14 years later, and then meets. He goes up and starts meeting with the apostles, but privately to them that were, like, important people or what appeared to be important people. So even though he. He knew that he had, like, learned this from God, 14 years later, he did go and check it against some people. That's what he's saying now. 14 years later.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

It took him 14 years to do that.

[Matthew Hepner]

He's just making the point of, like, 14 years later, he went back to Jerusalem and did it. There's stuff going on in Antioch and other places. I mean, he's mingling with the church all over the place. But he's, like, specifically going to, like, what. What was church headquarters? Basically, like. Like, it wasn't supposed to be because they were all supposed to go out. They were supposed to leave there and spread the message, but they stayed in Jerusalem. So this is, like, church headquarters. And he's just. Now he's just kind of making the point of how he engaged with them, how it wasn't initially, like, making sure they were okay with it. But 14 years later, he went back, said, hey, man, this is what I'm doing. But neither Titus, who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised. Shout out, chat. And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our freedom, which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Why, I don't even understand that sentence.

[Matthew Hepner]

But neither Titus, who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Okay, so Titus didn't want to be circumcised.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah, he's a Greek. He never lived under the law.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Okay.

[Matthew Hepner]

He never was under the Mosaic Law. What do you mean Titus is under the law now? Like, what are you talking about?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Okay.

[Matthew Hepner]

He doesn't have to be circumcised as a way of being right with God.

[Top Lobster]

So. So he's saying then that other people, false brothers that were brought in unaware, wanted to have them arrested because of their freedoms in Christ. Like, that, their ability to not be under this. This law.

[Matthew Hepner]

Right.

[Top Lobster]

That's rough, though, dude. Titus.

[Matthew Hepner]

What?

[Top Lobster]

How old is Titus?

[Matthew Hepner]

I'll be a grown man.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

People die when they get circumcised as adults.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. No, no. Thanks, dude.

[Matthew Hepner]

Wait, do you want to read it and, like, readable translation?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah. Dude, I'm sorry.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah. I don't want to.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

It sucks because I was listening.

[Matthew Hepner]

You're not tracking with it, then. That sucks. Let's just put in, like, NLT nib or whatever.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Because I'm like, man, I just. Every verse gets thrown into question.

[Matthew Hepner]

It's different when we're in the Old Testament. It's just kind of a story. It's different than, like, Paul's writings that are. There's a lot to unpack. Okay. And it does make it a little tougher.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Okay. So he was. He was compelled to be. Wait, not. Okay, okay.

[Top Lobster]

All right.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Was compelled or even though he was Greek.

[Top Lobster]

Gotcha. This matter arose because some false believers had infiltrated our ranks to spy on the freedom we have in Jesus Christ and make us slaves.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah. So dudes sneak into the church, right? Just like we talked about in June.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

And they're like, he's not got his dick snipped.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah. He's not under the law.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Make us slaves.

[Matthew Hepner]

You have to be under the law to make us slaves. To what? To the law.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

To the law. Okay. All right.

[Matthew Hepner]

We have freedom in Christ. They want to make us slaves again. To the law.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Okay. That's an interesting way to frame that.

[Top Lobster]

Slaves to the law or slaves in general? What does he mean?

[Matthew Hepner]

Well, the context is circumcision, which is keeping the law.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Okay, so that's.

[Matthew Hepner]

The context of circumcision is that they're doing it to keep the law. They're not doing it for hygiene. They're not doing it because it's healthy.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, but were they allowed to, like. I mean, Paul was allowed to go around and cut your head off if you're not obeying the law. Were they allowed to, like, make you a slave? Oh, is that what he means?

[Matthew Hepner]

No, I don't think so. I don't think that they were actually capturing people, making them slaves.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

So then he's saying, if you're not accepting Christ and you're just obeying the.

[Matthew Hepner]

Law, you're a slave.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

You're a slave.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yes.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Which is. Oh, shit, that's heavy.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah. You're not doing this because it's internal and you decide not to do it. You're just not doing it because the law externally tells you you can't. It means you're a slave to it.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Ah, yeah.

[Matthew Hepner]

We're a slave to Christ now. He lives within us, and we're his servants.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

All right. We did not give into them for a moment so that the truth of the gospel might be preserved for you.

[Matthew Hepner]

He said, bro, the. The truth of the gospel wouldn't have been preserved if we would have fell off and went according to the law.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

We're not getting this thing snipped.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

As for those who were held in high esteem, whatever they were, makes no difference to me. God does not show favoritism. They added nothing to my message.

[Matthew Hepner]

Like, there was big shots there. They were really important. Doesn't matter to me, man.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

All right.

[Matthew Hepner]

They didn't change anything that I was preaching.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

On the contrary, they recognized that I had been entrusted with the task of preaching the gospel to the uncircumcised.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Nice, dude.

[Matthew Hepner]

So the context is that the circumcised is the Jews.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Are we doing that right now?

[Matthew Hepner]

And the uncircumcised is the non Jews, the Gentiles. So on the contrary, they recognize that I've been entrusted with the task of preaching the gospel to the Gentiles, just as Peter had been to the Jews.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Okay. So Peter preaches to the circumcised, and Paul preaches to the uncircumcised. This is the delineation here.

[Matthew Hepner]

And then they both end up kind of crossing over. It's interesting. Like, Peter ends up going and preaching to Cornelius, which, in the book of Acts, it looks to be like the first Gentiles that really come into the church. That's actually from Peter. So it's kind of ironic that he's like the apostle to the Jews, but kind of brings in these guys that are Gentiles. And then Paul is the apostle to the Gentiles, but he does a ton of stuff with the Jews.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Interesting. I'm gonna bring that back up. So, okay. For God, who was at work in Peter as an apostle to the circumcised, was also at work in me as an apostle for the Gentiles.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yes.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

James, Cephas, and Peter. Okay. And John, those esteemed as pillars, gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship. When they recognized the grace given to me, they agreed that we should go to the Gentiles and they. To be to the circumcised. Okay. So James, Peter, and John are like, yeah, you guys crush. And they agree, like, we're gonna go and preach to these uncircumcised dudes.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah. And these are the guys who, as you read through the Gospels, they're the closest to Jesus. They're the ones that are always with them. They're with.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Right. Peter's the Roc.

[Matthew Hepner]

Like, James, Peter and John are always there with them.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Okay, so this is like.

[Matthew Hepner]

So he's like, hey, man, this is the highest you can get within these people, man. And I talked to them, and they said, yeah, man, everything I'm doing is good.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

So that's. What if somebody's like, why should you listen to Paul like that? That's a good reason right there.

[Matthew Hepner]

But he goes to great lengths to say, first and foremost, it's from God.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Okay.

[Matthew Hepner]

Then. Then after that, he's like, the homies gave me the pillars in the church. The guys. The guys who hold the structure to the church in that day, they agreed with me too.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Okay. All they asked was that we should continue to remember the poor. The very thing I had been eager to do all along.

[Matthew Hepner]

So, like, Paul, we like what you're doing, bro. We like your style. But just don't forget you got to take care of the poor. He's like, guys, that's what I've been doing that. Anyway, we're good.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

The next one said he opposes Peter. Cephas is Peter.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

So when. Okay, yeah. When Sephus came to Antonac, or anti Antioch, Antioch, I oppose him to his face because he stood condemned.

[Matthew Hepner]

Oh. When Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face because he was to be blamed. Why?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

For before, certain men came from James.

[Matthew Hepner]

James, who he just named, who was the pillar in the church.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

So dudes came from James.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yep.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

He used to eat with the Gentiles.

[Matthew Hepner]

So Peter's eating with the Gentiles, which is against the law. So all the people who think they're under the law today, I guess they don't eat with Gentiles.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Okay. But that's not a problem. Right? Because Paul's like, we're not slaves to the law.

[Matthew Hepner]

Right. And Peter doesn't think it's a problem either, because Peter used to eat with the Gentiles.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Okay. But when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of. Oh, so he didn't want to look like a. Oh, okay.

[Top Lobster]

So.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Because he was afraid of those who belonged to the circumcision group.

[Top Lobster]

I like the circumcision group. As instead of saying Jews, I'm just.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Circumcision groups.

[Matthew Hepner]

You should get a podcast called the Circumstance.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That's a banger. It wouldn't make sense, but yeah, that one. So the other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy, so that by their hypocrisy, even Barnabas was led astray. So Paul is gonna big dog because he's like, yo, why did you crumble when the circumcision group.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Matthew Hepner]

I mean, if you watch the Life of Paul and Barnabas, it's, like, super sad when they break up.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Honestly, that's a. Honestly, that's a great name. Like, if you were to resurrect a tower gang and you called it the circumcision group and it was a comedy like that, that would be a great podcast.

[Matthew Hepner]

It's true.

[Top Lobster]

When I wake up of Paul and Barnabas.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That's crazy.

[Matthew Hepner]

No, it's like, really. It's like a really sad thing.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Oh, they. They're gonna go there.

[Matthew Hepner]

Okay, well, not. Not right here. But if you read the Book of Acts, it happens. They start beefing over Mark because Mark left him high and dry on one. One voyage. So Paul was saying, no, man, Mark can't come with us again. He left us hanging last time. Barnabas is, no, no, man. Let's forgive him. We'll bring him back. Like, he's still good. And then they. They fight about that so much over Mark that those two split. You don't see him together again anywhere in the Book of Acts. Yeah, it's terrible, but it looks like this kind of maybe starts pissing Paul off about Barnabas. The other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy, so that by their hypocrisy, even Barnabas was led astray. Damn.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

So Barnabas is soft.

[Matthew Hepner]

So even Barnabas was like, oh, yeah, man, let's get away from these Gentiles so the Jews don't think differently of us.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Paul is like a real. I mean, yeah. I mean, if you're a murderer of people, you probably have some convictions about you that your wheels. Like, it was easy to. It was hard to murder people. It's easy to stand on business. When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the Gospel, I said to Cephas in front of them all, you are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it then that you force gentiles to follow Jewish customs?

[Matthew Hepner]

How are you going to force gentiles to live under the law?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Okay, okay.

[Matthew Hepner]

All right.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Is that what he's doing? I thought he just, like, kind of faded away from the circumcision, or. He was.

[Matthew Hepner]

He did, but then he, like, scurried away. Right? He's. He's. He's living, like, not under the law. He's eating with Gentiles. Everything's fine. But when Jews show up, he scurries away so that it doesn't look like he's intermingling with Gentiles. And Paul's saying, bro, if you can't even live the way.

[Top Lobster]

Didn't he do that with Jesus? I mean, you who are a Jew.

[Matthew Hepner]

Can'T even live the way that Jews are called to live under the law. Now you're wanting the Gentiles to live like this, too? You're wanting to set this example.

[Top Lobster]

Okay.

[Matthew Hepner]

The Gentiles are supposed to live like this too.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Huh?

[Top Lobster]

He did. He did. That's his personality. He did this with Jesus when he's like, Peter.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, yeah, that's right. You denied him three times before the day ends or something like that.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. Like, do you know him? And he's kind of like, no, no.

[Matthew Hepner]

I don't know.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

He's kind of a.

[Top Lobster]

Kind of.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I mean.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, dude. Yeah.

[Matthew Hepner]

I mean, what if the Bible, like, followed our lives and pointed out everything we did?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Like, this guy likes hot dogs.

[Top Lobster]

It would be.

[Matthew Hepner]

It would be like there'd be some mistakes that we make.

[Top Lobster]

It would say something like, top lops is not risk averse. And that's fair.

[Matthew Hepner]

No.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

The conversation we just had is like, boys is retarded.

[Top Lobster]

No. Would you agree that the conversation we just had is about risk aversion? And my. We want to go to Indiana.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

It's got to be refined more than that because it's a risk to start a business. It's a risk to that. That's too broad. There's something a little bit more.

[Top Lobster]

Well, no. If there's a plan. Yeah. And I know how I can do it. Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

A risk that, I mean, it's uncalculated. It doesn't have obvious fruits that it's going to bear. You know, starting a business is a lofty endeavor. A lot of people would consider it a risk. Moving from New York to Florida. It would be considered a risk calculated.

[Top Lobster]

Wouldn't have done that.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Would have been a risk to stay there.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. What I'm saying, though, my personality type is very much that. This is the discussion we just had. This is the disagreement we just had. Your personality type is like, I feel this. I'm going, yeah, yeah. And that drives me crazy.

[Matthew Hepner]

Right?

[Top Lobster]

And it probably drives you crazy that it's like this. This guy won't go.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

No, I get it.

[Top Lobster]

I get it, too.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I understand. Like, but it's just me just like.

[Top Lobster]

How Peter is kind of a coward.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Peter's a.

[Matthew Hepner]

No, he's not.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That's a move.

[Matthew Hepner]

It's a move.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

This guy is the son of God.

[Matthew Hepner]

Somebody was recording our lives and writing it in the scripture. Like, we would look like Douchebags.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I would have other things make me not like Peter. They're different.

[Top Lobster]

It doesn't make me not like him, but it makes me understand the actions. If. If this was like an action that you've made. And it's. It's unfair to do this to people. But I go, if you do this, then in the future, you're likely to do this. And then when you do that thing.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

When you act like a times here and then over here, you're likely to continue this bitchy behavior.

[Top Lobster]

You're eating at the table with the Jews, and you're like, you push your gentile friends away.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Here comes the circumcision gangs.

[Top Lobster]

This is a personality flaw. But Jesus based his church on this dude. And that's like. I think that that shows you that.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

It'S like, that doesn't mean you don't like him or. Yeah, he doesn't crush.

[Top Lobster]

That's just who. That's just what he does. And he's got to be corrected from it. Yeah, I like this.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Is that fair? Are you all right with that?

[Top Lobster]

He doesn't like. He doesn't like. When we talk about angels, don't talk about the apostles. Don't talk about the disciples.

[Matthew Hepner]

I mean, they all know. I just think it's like, okay, imagine you're at a party, right? You're knocking back some booze with some people at a party. You're having a good time, and then a new group of Christians comes in that, you know, is against you drinking like that.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah.

[Matthew Hepner]

And so you get away from this party over here that you were just hanging out with to go over there because you're concerned about the welfare of the new Christian.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Paul would have been like, what's up?

[Matthew Hepner]

We're gonna get offended by the way you're drinking.

[Top Lobster]

You think he was sitting with the. The Jews because he's trying to reach them in a way?

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah.

[Matthew Hepner]

I just think that's not a good idea.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, but I don't like this.

[Matthew Hepner]

This motive of like, oh, he's a wanker. That's why he did it.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I think that we didn't say wanker.

[Matthew Hepner]

Might be a little more complex than that, is all I'm saying.

[Top Lobster]

I think that. That that personality gets. I mean, it's. It's gotten worked on since he did that with Jesus, but there's still something underneath there.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

It does allow him to get to places, though. Right. Because, like, let's say he didn't deny Christ, then he wouldn't have been allowed.

[Top Lobster]

Killed right there.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Right, right. Right. So there's like things that he is able to achieve in God's plan that another character wouldn't been able to achieve.

[Top Lobster]

So that's an interesting story that like, yeah, if you don't do that, does he get his head cut? Do they put him in prison right there as a follower of Christ? Like this dude that we're going to kill, all the rest of them are hiding.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

God's like, I'm going to use this guy.

[Top Lobster]

But he needs, yeah, he needs to do something. But like, unfortunately that thing that he, he's going to do after, you kind of have to do this action. But that doesn't make him not well. Again. I don't know. That's just his personality.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Paul, I mean, look, there's worse things, right? Paul was a real piece of shit.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. So, I mean, all these guys kind of were not.

[Matthew Hepner]

Not all humans who have ever lived are like, that's the whole point, dude. No more touching about me. No, that's the whole point.

[Top Lobster]

I know you're not talking about me.

[Matthew Hepner]

And saved us even though we were enemies of Christ. Right.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

So if somebody was like, you know, this guy is, you know, dresses like a homosexual, I'd be like, yeah, God used me.

[Matthew Hepner]

Saying that about the denim.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I'm just saying it's fine to say these things. All right, where were we?

[Top Lobster]

214.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Okay? We were 15. Who, we who are Jews by birth and not sinful Gentiles, know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we too have put our faith in Christ that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law. Because by the works of the law, no one will be justified.

[Top Lobster]

These, these comments must have been eating you alive when you were in Germany, huh?

[Matthew Hepner]

What do you mean?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

We don't need to be obey the law.

[Matthew Hepner]

I didn't see any of it until I got back from Germany.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

You were in Germany?

[Top Lobster]

How was it?

[Matthew Hepner]

Great, man. I mean, stuff happened.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Low energy, man, huh?

[Matthew Hepner]

I, I, dude, I hate it. That's why I told you guys, you're gonna have to carry the show today. I've got like no voice. My brain is super slow. But I think the scripture speaks for itself, right? Verse 16 speaks for itself.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, it's pretty straightforward.

[Matthew Hepner]

Like knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law. He never is, he never will be. How is he justified? By the faith of Jesus Christ. Even we have believed in Jesus Christ that we might be justified by the faith of Christ. And not by the works of the law. For by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. So now. So now are we getting to the point? Do you think we're starting to understand? Remember in the beginning he says if anybody preaches another gospel, let him be cursed.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah.

[Matthew Hepner]

Are we starting to understand what he's talking about now?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

He's talking about. Yeah, the good news of Christ through the coming of Jesus Christ.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah. And if you're saying that you're under the law to be justified, you're cursed.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Oh, the Jews are pretty cursed, bro.

[Matthew Hepner]

Is that not what's happening here? Like, like, what's his hostility towards them about? Yeah, it's not. It's not because they're.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I would say that this is a little anti Semitic.

[Matthew Hepner]

It's not because they're banging hookers. It's not because they're snorting oxycontins or not shooting heroin. That's not what this is about. This is about them going back under the law. He's saying, yeah, the guys who taught you that, let them be cursed. You don't think that's wild? That's the context of the book. That's not like a verse. It's not like a little snippet. That's the context of the letter. All right, but if while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid. Hold on.

[Top Lobster]

You skip the word Jews.

[Matthew Hepner]

Hold on, you're reading it. You're reading it in the normal one.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

No, I got it. It's got to be on the tv.

[Top Lobster]

He skipped the word Jews.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Where's. I won't give the word Jews. But if in seeking to be justified in Christ, we Jews find ourselves also among the sinners, doesn't that mean that Christ promotes sin? Absolutely not.

[Matthew Hepner]

Absolutely not.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

So in other words, if you are a follower of Jesus Christ and you find yourself among sinners, does that mean that Christ promotes sin?

[Top Lobster]

This is what. This is kind of what you're arguing with these people about in the comments as well, that. Because they're accusing you of saying everything.

[Matthew Hepner]

Is permissible, Everything is not permissible. We're held to a higher standard.

[Top Lobster]

Everything. Everything is allowed but not permissible.

[Matthew Hepner]

Right, Right.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

You have free will. Right. But it's not. Okay, all right, so if I rebuild what I destroyed, then would I really be a lawbreaker?

[Matthew Hepner]

Then I really would be a law.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Oh, okay, so. So he's talking about rebuilding the law after Christ came and fulfilled it. Or am I misunderstanding the Vaccine, like.

[Top Lobster]

A low IQ argument, like a, you'd call them a midwit. Somebody with like about a 90 to 100 IQ that's just smart enough to know, know things and be able to memorize and you know, regurgitate.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That's the average. So mid.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, yeah, mid width somebody. So like, you ever seen the bell curve, Matt, where it goes up like this, comes down like real high up in the middle. That's about a hundred. And most people fall there. On this side you'll have like smarter people going towards a 140. And over here you have retarded people. But the midwit would want these laws, they would want these rules. They want Dr. Fauci and they want to be guided. Every morning, tell me what I need to do. Oh, third, fourth, booster, that's what I need. Tell me, direct me now.

[Matthew Hepner]

I think there is an element of that, but I think there's, I think it's all types fall for it also. Very arrogant, prideful people. They can be very intelligent. Like intellectuals, I think will really struggle with it too, because an intellectual likes to be right about everything and be able to show that somebody else isn't right. Like when you guys have this discussion to be able to come in and say, no, you're right and you're right. Like intellectuals don't like that. Like there's a group of proud people who like to be like, no, no, no, I'm right, you're wrong. So there's a lot of people who would benefit from saying they're under the law.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

But hey, you know what's a fun fact? The average Somali IQ is 68.

[Top Lobster]

It's crazy. That's below and like functionally retarded.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the, and, and the IQ score of somebod mentally is below 70.

[Matthew Hepner]

No, that's not a true stat.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That's the things I just looked up. That's the truth. That's true.

[Matthew Hepner]

That's not real crazy.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

What a crazy thing to have about.

[Top Lobster]

Here on this show. IQ is also like a Jewish invention.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

It is, yeah, yeah.

[Top Lobster]

But what they don't have anything against them.

[Matthew Hepner]

I do love iq.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

A lot of IQ is like when.

[Matthew Hepner]

We first met, like went to great lengths, like, yeah, I've got like a 140.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

What's that guy that comes in, tells you all the time what his IQ is? What's the IQ? 318 high to measure. Yeah, it's something crazy as hell.

[Top Lobster]

Leo's very small.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Leo's got a 5,6 million IQ.

[Top Lobster]

A little too high.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

275,271 less than his annual income.

[Top Lobster]

We were talking about Toad. Toad has, like, a very high iq, but, like, it gets to a point of detriment where he can't function.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

But I do think it's his high IQ that allows him to put together these puns in real time. Like, he. Because a lot of the IQ tests, I realized, I mean, it's not just problem solving, but it's like, puzzle oriented. It's like, how quickly can you figure out the method to solve the puzzle and then keep implementing it?

[Top Lobster]

You got to be. You got to be in the sweet spot, is what we're saying of that. That bell curve. If you're in the middle at like. Like that big chunk in the middle. You want the law. If you're at the very end of it, like, I think, like I told you're very literal. You're alone, you're alone, you're alone, you're alone.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Nobody's out there in IQ land with the retarded.

[Top Lobster]

People will just like, if I tell somebody, like, here it is, and they go, yeah, sure, that's what they'll do. But the people that are kind of right, I think, like the real dumb people, but not dumb enough to just.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That's why I love those Belcher, you know, they're very true. But it's a retarded guy, and he's like, God is real. And then it's a midwit who's like, well, actually evolution. And then it's a high IQ being like, actually, God is real.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, yeah. There's that. That, like, fall.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I love that.

[Top Lobster]

Very interesting.

[Matthew Hepner]

They're talking true faith is, like, reckless, though. It is, like, kind of terrifying. It is like jumping out of an airplane and trusting your parachute. Like, that's really what true faith really is. Like, as long as it's just rules on an exterior level that I can check the boxes, then that's great. But not being bound by that and having to absolutely be trusting God completely with no trust in the law, no trust in the fact that, oh, I'm following this set of rules.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

You're saying being retarded, like being actually.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah, like just being fully committed to God. Go ahead, say jumping out of an airplane.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

He won't say retarded.

[Top Lobster]

You could say.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I've noticed that about him.

[Top Lobster]

Retardio.

[Matthew Hepner]

That means I don't say that.

[Top Lobster]

Retardio. Return to God.

[Matthew Hepner]

No, stop it.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

It does. That's what it is.

[Top Lobster]

That's what it means.

[Matthew Hepner]

It's not how you mean it when you call everybody the dangerous retards.

[Top Lobster]

That's kind of what I mean.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That's exactly.

[Top Lobster]

It's a compliment.

[Matthew Hepner]

Quit screwing around.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

All right. Verse 18.

[Top Lobster]

He's getting mean.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I know. He is getting nasty.

[Top Lobster]

Sorry. We do once.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

The low, low energy.

[Matthew Hepner]

That's contagious.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, whatever, man.

[Top Lobster]

I don't like this.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Your ability to bounce back is despicable. If I rebuild what I destroyed, then I really would be a law breaker.

[Top Lobster]

For.

[Matthew Hepner]

For.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Through the law I died to the law. So that I might live for God.

[Matthew Hepner]

Through the law, I'm dead to the law.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Interesting.

[Matthew Hepner]

Why? So that I might live unto God.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Okay, can you unpack that a little bit? Because that's.

[Matthew Hepner]

You can't be alive to both. You have to be alive to God.

[Top Lobster]

Oh, you.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

So you're. I'm dead to the law. It's like saying, like, you're dead to me. Like, I'm dead to the law so that I can live for God. Okay, saying even further, but he's more.

[Matthew Hepner]

Or less saying, like, that's what the law taught me. Through the law, I died to the law. Like that. Like. Because I think this is the big point is, like, the whole point of the law. If as you study the Old Testament and then you kind of come into the New Testament, you're like, wait, so the whole point of the law was to show us that we could never obey the law. Like, the more you read it, six or seven, too. Yeah, just that. Like, you can't obey the law. Like, if the law is supposed to show you anything, it's that you can't obey the law.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That's interesting.

[Matthew Hepner]

So that when grace shows up, you go, yes.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

So in other words, like, you are not pos. You couldn't possibly achieve God's standards.

[Matthew Hepner]

No, you can't.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Because you're a sloppy monkey from the mud.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yes, you can't.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

So sloppy mud monkey.

[Matthew Hepner]

So God comes along and offers his own life, extends his hand. Grace. You're saved by grace through faith, not of works of the law. Lest any man should boast.

[Top Lobster]

What do these people. Because I.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

What do you mean, these people?

[Top Lobster]

These people. What do they think about Paul? Because they must have huge problems with pole.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

But they're probably keeping their mouth shut. Like, this dude kills people.

[Top Lobster]

We're gonna be going on. I mean, no, I mean modern day. Like the church. Modern day. We're gonna be going on. Sean Griffin, Kingdom in context.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah, yeah.

[Top Lobster]

He's a dude that observes the Sabbath. And I don't. I. I Think that he.

[Matthew Hepner]

That's. That's okay because the scripture says, let no man judge you according to the Sabbath.

[Top Lobster]

I don't know his. I don't know his stance on other people, actually. No, his stance on other people not doing it. He doesn't really care. He just. He debates people sometimes about it to justify why he does it. But, like, what do you think their views are on. On Paul? Like, they can't look at him in a way that you. You look at him.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Is it like they disagree with him?

[Top Lobster]

Right.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Salvation is only by grace. But like loving Christ, if it results in you wanting to adhere to the law, like, then that's a good thing. Right? Like, I mean, like, if the law is what you think is giving you salvation, you're wrong. But if conviction in Christ causes you to adhere to the law, then, like, amen.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah, amen. That's. That's what we're saying. We're just taking the bumpers off. We're taking the bumper lanes out of the. Out of the gutters on the bowling.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That's an interesting thing because it's like.

[Matthew Hepner]

We'Re bowling straight and we're getting strikes now because we're were bowling straight, whereas before we needed those bumpers in place, which we're going to read later. He calls it like a school master, like a tutor. It's like a tutor. It's like a helper to bring you to Christ. You have those bumper lanes in until you can bull straight enough to get strikes.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

He talks about it like. Like Christ is our inheritance. But you wouldn't give your inheritance to a child. You would wait until they were a certain age. And so until we reached that point, we were under the law, and then we were given our inheritance, which is Christ.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah. And I mean, again, it comes back like the eternal law of God, the law of the Lord. That's. That's an eternal thing. We're specifically talking about the Mosaic Law. That's what they're saying. You have to go back under the Mosaic Law. He's saying, no, no, you don't. All right. Matter of fact, you're cursed if you're saying that.

[Top Lobster]

What is the Mosaic Law anyway? Especially in Rome, it's like, I guess they were given the authority to kill people.

[Matthew Hepner]

The Mosaic Law. No, that's. That's what was given to Israel when they came out of Egypt. It's like all.

[Top Lobster]

Everything laid out in Leviticus in this time period, though. Rome. Was Rome allowing them? I guess they were allowing them.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah. They still had the temple until AD 70. That's what I'm saying. So after AD 70 it's like not even possible to follow the law.

[Top Lobster]

So they were allowing them to still carry out the law even within Roman, the Roman Empire. And so they had their own little thing going on here. But what it really is is just like social pressures of other people. That's kind of what laws are. And we're just saying, we're saying like establish these things, know them and we can kind of keep ourselves accountable. But we don't need to have this written down in this weird way or.

[Matthew Hepner]

I don't know, I mean we still, we still have the like, we still have the scripture. Like yeah, we still have, we still have something. We still have some black and white that keeps us on track. Right. It's just that like this is like a map, but we also, we also have a GPS as well. So we have like a physical map. It's like a paper map that you can look at and kind of understand some stuff on a paper map. But then you also have a gps, which is the Holy spirit. You have both.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

You know, Michigan is actually being infiltrated by an army of people. If you think about that IQ thing in the Somalians and what they're dealing.

[Top Lobster]

With right now, they stole like millions of dollars from the government.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

The Somalians scheme. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Like in some sort of genius. But like imagine that like an army of descends upon you and you're supposed to just go like well, inclusivity. And don't talk about that, that's racist. And it's like. But their average IQ is retarded actually mentally.

[Matthew Hepner]

Somebody on the inside had to have a plan. That's what they did. I mean.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, well they, the inside is their Somalian mayor or government, whatever.

[Top Lobster]

I think, you know, it's not like.

[Matthew Hepner]

Another nation can just send a bunch of people.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Oh no. Yeah, yeah.

[Matthew Hepner]

And they steal all our money like somebody on the ins.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Well, what is you emotionally manipulate a bunch of low information, high emotion voters or like women.

[Top Lobster]

This has happened in New York already. It's happened with Russian people, but Russian people, slightly higher iq.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Kind of cool too.

[Top Lobster]

They get people in government or in state, state affiliated positions like to. Who they're going to hire to distribute welfare. Then Russians come in, they get welfare. They're driving Alexis. They're living in the projects, but they're like doing, they got ebt, you know, and they're getting. But they're smart about it. They have their nice stuff but they kind of stay quiet. These dudes did the same scam. So they got somebody like some Somalians in the government. Somalians come in and instead of. It's called time preference. Yeah, yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I always inverted. Is it high time preference or low time preference?

[Top Lobster]

That's high time preference. High time preference being one of the high time preferences.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Take it now.

[Top Lobster]

You eat six hot dogs in one sitting.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I had three yesterday, so I must.

[Top Lobster]

Be doing all right. Low time preferences. I think I'm get. I might be getting it wrong. I eat one hot dog and I say I have five for another day.

[Matthew Hepner]

He's high preference then, right? Yeah. Everything with him is like, right.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

By the way, Somalia, Russia's average IQ is approximately 103.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. So just above average.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah. And whereas Somalians are actually below.

[Top Lobster]

That's crazy for us to be that average.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Matt, that means sane.

[Matthew Hepner]

That means that people are getting your information. Dude, that can't be right.

[Top Lobster]

Google that.

[Matthew Hepner]

You're saying people with down syndrome. Is anybody with below.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

No, I didn't say downstairs. Look at. He's just putting words in my mouth.

[Top Lobster]

I said mentally.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Mentally retarded. Mental retardation is anything beneath 70. IQ is where that spectrum.

[Matthew Hepner]

And Somali average is less than 68.

[Top Lobster]

IQ is really just the ability to problem solve.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

In real time.

[Matthew Hepner]

Oh, so you have a really low one too then? Because like. No, I'm just saying most of the conclusions you come to, it's like whatever is on tweeter, you just repeat it.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

It's not nice.

[Top Lobster]

It's crazy.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

At all cost, people avoid the Somalian question. He's avoiding the Somalian question.

[Matthew Hepner]

What's the Somalian question?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Are they. Should they be exterminated? No.

[Matthew Hepner]

Okay.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Asking questions.

[Matthew Hepner]

I, through the law and dead to the law, so that I might live unto God. I am crucified with Christ. Nevertheless, I live yet Not I, but Christ lives in me.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Nice.

[Matthew Hepner]

This is the whole thing, dude. What do you mean? I'm under the law. Christ lives in me. I don't live anymore. Christ lives through me. Right. I don't need this exterior things to hold me in place anymore because Christ lives through me. I'm dead to self. I've been born again. Christ lives in me now. And I don't need any externals to keep me on track because I have internals now.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Now.

[Matthew Hepner]

Which is what it was always about. That's. Jesus said, yeah, the law says you can't commit adultery. But now I'm telling you, if you look upon a woman to lust, you've already committed adultery in your own heart. He comes in Lives inside me now. I no longer desire adultery. I no longer desire it. I don't need the law that I can't commit adultery. You see what I'm saying? I'm held to a higher standard now. Not a lower standard, is it?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

So actually, for clarification purposes on that idea, like, you no longer have the desire to. Is it that? Or is it that you, like, when the desire shows itself, you hate it?

[Matthew Hepner]

That.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, okay.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah, it's both.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Because I get mad. Because I'll, like, be scrolling through my feed and it's like, look at these boobs. And I get mad.

[Matthew Hepner]

I'm like, amen. Amen. Dirty, right? As long as you're fighting against it and not wanting it. Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

It upsets me. You know that. That line because it talks about in the Bible, like, your spirit groans. That happens. I'll see a thing. And I'm just like.

[Matthew Hepner]

Like, oh, yeah.

[Top Lobster]

You know what I've been doing?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

What's that? Yeah.

[Matthew Hepner]

You only lose when you stop fighting against it.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Matthew Hepner]

When you start being okay with it.

[Top Lobster]

There's a new thing on Twitter. This thing is not where we go.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Oh, this is where the boobs are coming from, dude.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. Every. You can go. You can just scroll, and it'll be a girl.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yep.

[Top Lobster]

And she'll be, like, regularly dressed. And they go, hey, Grok. And now Grok is like the AI. So it goes, grok, put her in a revealing bikini.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

And it does it to a really good.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

You know what's really funny? The women freaking out about it. They're like, this is. The AI is assaulting me. And I go, like, I don't know if it's assaulting you, but here's what I. Funny. Time to be alive.

[Top Lobster]

What I've been doing is I'm scrolling. And every so often, you'll just come across one in a bikini. Maybe even not. Or just, like, dressed.

[Matthew Hepner]

Really? Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

And I go, hey, Grok, put her in a burkini. Like, so just like, burka. Whole face covered, whole body covered. And then it does it.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I like when people are like, hey, Grok, Put a father figure in her life. And then, like, all the remover tattoos, it changes the way she's dressed. And it's like a dad behind her. But now she's dressed conservatively. It's hilarious. The correlation. But, yeah, it is. It's all over the feed right now. These dirty, dirty boobs, they're probably gonna.

[Top Lobster]

Have to stop because it's just. It's out of control. Like, if you put A picture of you up. They could be like, put them in a bikini and. Yeah, we should do that.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

We should give them boobs.

[Top Lobster]

No, they wouldn't do it.

[Matthew Hepner]

I wasn't saying that about you. That's why you're saying that. Z Man's already saying that about you, bro.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Let's start putting boobs. There you go. But can we do it to Matt?

[Matthew Hepner]

No, I think your guys thumbnails of me on them are like, already.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I think they've been really fun lately.

[Matthew Hepner]

They don't like them. And there's no W's.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

There's literally no guys W's in the chat for the thumbnails.

[Top Lobster]

No, they do actually, Matt. They really do.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Like, they're fun.

[Matthew Hepner]

I think they are actually really good. There's just a couple I don't like. Like, the ones with me on them look worst.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

No, she's talking about the guy thirst traps. What is that? What's a guy thirst trap? Look at my credit score.

[Matthew Hepner]

I don't know at my W's on everything.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Look. WWW yeah, that's always so popular. Positive.

[Top Lobster]

I don't know this one.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I'm not so convinced atma's a girl anymore.

[Top Lobster]

It's coming soon.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That one is great. Look at the demons are coming.

[Matthew Hepner]

I love that one.

[Top Lobster]

Bangers. I mean, just banger after bang. They're fantastic.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That was a great one.

[Matthew Hepner]

Dude, that one's so bad.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I would like to dress like that.

[Matthew Hepner]

Just in robes, just for a day.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Just to feel like what it's like.

[Matthew Hepner]

That's kind of cool.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah. Nephilim in the Ozarks. That's gonna be a dope ass episode.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. We're making them. We're doing big things. We're making them ahead of time.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I like how it changed the little seasoner shirt to actually say Little Caesars. Yeah, it was like, I know what this is, right? Like, no, no, no. All right, let's bring the scripture back. Let's do that.

[Top Lobster]

Okay, fine, we'll bring it back.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

A 68 IQ is remarkable.

[Top Lobster]

68 is crazy. That's crazy when you look at the shape.

[Matthew Hepner]

No. Hey, man. He refuses to play it for me because the Raven is kind of like your older brother that just like, I'm Z Man. He doesn't like to see my cell phone number, be a part of the team or be friends with his friends.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Well, you know why? Because man tries to reach out. Telegram.

[Matthew Hepner]

Okay, but he wrote a song.

[Top Lobster]

And you still never wrote a song for Matt.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, apparently he wrote a song for me.

[Matthew Hepner]

Apparently he's brought it up, like, on 10 different shows now.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I don't know. I'm just a lazy piece of.

[Matthew Hepner]

No, we could do it here. Because you're like, the older brother that's like, to the younger brother. No, you're not friends with my friends.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, well, I don't like when you're friends with my friends.

[Top Lobster]

You can't interview our guests either.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I don't like that. Yeah, you can't talk to Wes.

[Matthew Hepner]

You know what people love, like, especially the kids that work here. They're like. Like. If there's one way to describe the raven, it's just that he's very, like, violating of your life.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Nobody's ever said that.

[Matthew Hepner]

Literally, it gets right on top of your own private space. But then if you see him at the gym and you're, like, in his private space for 10 seconds, he always melts down. He melts down.

[Top Lobster]

I give him a hug. I give him a hug. At the end of the world, I want to bring this guy that did witchcraft back into your life. I got a problem with that.

[Matthew Hepner]

I'm trying to take a break. I'm trying to eat a meal. Boom. He's on top.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Me.

[Matthew Hepner]

Hey, what are you eating? What are you guys doing?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I'm never doing that.

[Matthew Hepner]

Oh, you're violating my personal space. You come by and say hi to him at the gym. It's a meltdown, dude.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I don't know. No, I don't like when you say.

[Matthew Hepner]

What worked out like that. I wouldn't want people watching.

[Top Lobster]

He's got no. Now we're talking about David. He's got some, like, very specific rules about his house. You go to his house, he's like, take the shoes off.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

My house is carpeted, okay? It's also carpet.

[Top Lobster]

They're like, don't go into his fridge.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

My fridge.

[Top Lobster]

He comes to my house, he's like this.

[Matthew Hepner]

Right on my couch. Imagine him in the fridge eating my wife's food. Indoor house, dude. I just picture him living in a wolf, like, underground, in a cave.

[Top Lobster]

No, his. His house. His house is his sanctuary. Now, if you got room.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah, yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

If you come to my house, my fridge. But I don't stock it. Like, you stock it like, it's Costco. I don't stock my fridge like that. I'm the kind of person.

[Top Lobster]

David has a fridge full of eggs.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah.

[Matthew Hepner]

He, like, buys each meal. I can imagine that. Because he has no concept of, like, tomorrow we go shopping.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, he does it.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah. It's like another lane. Talk about Somalians, dude. He has like no concept of the next.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I do ignore the phone calls. Jeanette says, I ignore the phone calls. I ignore the phone calls. Yeah. I said, I gotta give Z Man my number so he could just message me these things because he is our, our telegram moderator.

[Top Lobster]

You're the worst.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I am pretty not great.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I enjoy keeping a bubble around me at all times.

[Matthew Hepner]

Violating others, bubbles.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I don't know.

[Matthew Hepner]

It's okay that you love your bubble, but you violate others.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

If you come to my house, you could have as many eggs as you want, but that's pretty much all I got.

[Top Lobster]

He ignores my phone calls.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I don't always ignore your phone calls.

[Top Lobster]

I called him the other day to tell him that we got access to like a couple thousand dollars. Ignored it.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Well, I know that. Couldn't care, you know, Nancy says, I don't answer DMs. I don't answer DMs. It's just, it's, it's a little over stimulating.

[Matthew Hepner]

Shout out, Joe Brown.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Joe Brown. Matt answers, dude, you can't. It's crazy.

[Matthew Hepner]

I care.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I care, too. I just.

[Matthew Hepner]

No care about me and your little bubble.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I like my bubble. It's. Dude, it's so nice. And let me tell you something. If this show blows up to something crazy one day, my bubble is going to serve me well. It's going to serve me well when people come here to, you know, touch you and, and, you know, talk to you and stuff. And it's like, you know, you're overstimulated. Bubble.

[Top Lobster]

Matt, you see the problem? You see the problem that I have here? He's like, david goes, I got a very small bubble.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

It's a small bubble.

[Top Lobster]

It's a small bubble.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

It's not a big one. It's not like I keep people like.

[Top Lobster]

Then he goes. Then he goes, why don't you orchestrate a live event with hundreds of people?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That's a crazy move. And I recognize that that's a crazy move. Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

And then they're there and they're all touching me, touching me. Don't touch me. Yeah, no, touch him. He's the guy that wanted this. And he goes, I don't want this.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

No, I, I.

[Top Lobster]

And then it's over.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

And then he goes, bohemian Grove.

[Top Lobster]

Then he goes, let's do it again.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

He's like, he loves bro. He means do the video.

[Matthew Hepner]

At the gym this morning, he was so happy that he imagined it was a fan. I went, yo, Raven, I recognize your voice. He was so happy, like it was a fan calling his name. And then He. And then when he realized it was.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Me, he's like, I like looking cool.

[Matthew Hepner]

He hates if I violate his personal space, even though he spends every day, five days a week coming here doing that.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, I don't like it. You bump into the gym. I know, but you do listen to the confessionals and. And work out. Imagine.

[Matthew Hepner]

Imagine you show up at my job and do that to me every day. You don't like if I do it for 10 seconds.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

You. You are a liar.

[Matthew Hepner]

Let's go, Cho Brown. We are going turkey hunter.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Who's it. Wait.

[Matthew Hepner]

What am I lying about?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Well, the. The idea that it upsets you because you invite everybody into your. Every single person that.

[Matthew Hepner]

Okay, I never said whether it did or did not upset me. I just said, you are a violent.

[Top Lobster]

Careful that they don't even.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Days.

[Top Lobster]

Make sure they don't leave.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Panties. I found six panties back here this week all covered in poo poo and blood. But they can't do anything because the holy spirit's in this place, and there's just no amount of witchcraft.

[Top Lobster]

I mean, Raven's a celebrity. Local celebrity.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Oh, man. I know. Stupid. Yo, Raven.

[Matthew Hepner]

Do I look happy?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I don't look happy at all. I didn't look happy when you called me. Yeah, no pictures.

[Top Lobster]

No pictures. Please.

[Matthew Hepner]

No pictures.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I didn't look happy when you. When you. David, don't call people. Indiana Dave has been trying to make a video game with me, and I'm like, dude, I'm gonna talk to you very soon. It's gonna happen. And then it's like, three weeks later. No, we're gonna get it done. It's gonna happen. I just. Dude, I don't. You said I turned around with a smile on my face. I did not remember.

[Matthew Hepner]

No, initially.

[Top Lobster]

You know what? Maybe it was bad.

[Matthew Hepner]

Your face. It was a big, big smile.

[Top Lobster]

Maybe God did talk to you because.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

So you think this is something that I would want to do.

[Top Lobster]

David. David is usually like this. I'm like, david, hey, do me a favor. There's a doctor that's talking to us.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Oh, yeah. Shout out Dr. Yared.

[Top Lobster]

Could you answer him?

[Matthew Hepner]

We're in the group chat offering the intravenous, like, vitamin C. And.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah. David's like, this just doesn't care. Yeah, Fetal position. Yes. Yeah, answer him.

[Top Lobster]

He's like, I don't have the bandwidth right now.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I'm in this group chat with the. This. With Vanessa, who's doing a great job at our. Our social media, and Tiffany. Tiffany.

[Matthew Hepner]

Holy.

[Top Lobster]

Do you see the level of disrespect.

[Matthew Hepner]

He does not care. He was raised by wolves.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I do care. She's doing a great job. She crushes.

[Matthew Hepner]

But I don't remember her name.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I just look at the group chat and I'm like. And I put that down because everything, number one, all the. Everything's getting handled.

[Matthew Hepner]

Let's not get into that. That was another storm chat. No, just. It got all nasty to have that nasty fight on Christmas Eve. Just very nasty.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

What are you talking about?

[Matthew Hepner]

Very uncomfortable.

[Top Lobster]

He thought it was a fight.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

It's.

[Top Lobster]

He still thinks it was a fight. I don't know.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

What is he talking about?

[Matthew Hepner]

No, you guys, I just never realized how hard it was to have just this normal, competent business conversation with you guys. Like, everything has to turn into, like, a Saturday night.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Who was that?

[Matthew Hepner]

No, everything turns into, like a Saturday Night Live skit. You're trying to have normal, functional conversation.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Hey, guys.

[Top Lobster]

What is he talking about?

[Matthew Hepner]

No, no, you came here, you brought the shoes, and then you had the sad puppy face because we were all in a fight and you left, like, in the middle of sad.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Oh, that's where you messed up everything.

[Matthew Hepner]

Oh, yeah, that is where you did that.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

No, you did that.

[Matthew Hepner]

Dude.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I remember those times.

[Matthew Hepner]

Bring up that. I got you guys pandas. You guys like, oh, no, it doesn't matter.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Well, I went on. On Patreon to flex what I got you guys. It's not my fault that you guys didn't do the same. Same.

[Matthew Hepner]

I don't know how to go on Patreon and do that.

[Top Lobster]

You can't.

[Matthew Hepner]

Otherwise I would have totally flexed.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

All you got to do is get in the comments, Bobby Johnson. That's what he does. Here's your time to shine. He goes, I'm not doing this.

[Top Lobster]

This is a little bit of inside baseball, I guess, right?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Raven goes to the gym to work legs so he can stand for 15 minutes at the 501C3.

[Matthew Hepner]

Very true.

[Top Lobster]

Yo, I was thinking about his workouts.

[Matthew Hepner]

He's one of these guys that he's like, on the thing. You go to talk to me, like.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I don't wanna.

[Matthew Hepner]

I wanna do. He'll like, do a set. He'll be on the machine for 15 minutes and he does like one or two sets. During that 15 minutes, you're like, bro, that's not really doing well.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That's not true. I have one minute rest in between my sets. That's it. One minute rest.

[Top Lobster]

Can we call 50501 Triple T, Matt?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Oh, 501 Triple T, Matt. You know what's really funny. I like that. All I do is there's three T's in Matt's name now. No one will ever not spell your name with three T's.

[Matthew Hepner]

Except somebody corrected Rev Sims Just like.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Figuring this out when top is light skinned. He looks like a Jew.

[Top Lobster]

When am I. When do I not look like this?

[Matthew Hepner]

When do you not?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

When does he not look like the lights are washing you?

[Top Lobster]

I look like a real Jew. I look like a Sephardic Jew.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Which are the real ones? Not these Eastern European Ashkenazi Jews.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah. Like Maduro would have looked at you and be like that's. He belongs in Israel.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. Put me in my home.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

501 triple T. Honestly, if I was.

[Top Lobster]

In Israel, I'd be thriving.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Matt. Oh, it's a desert.

[Matthew Hepner]

Explain.

[Top Lobster]

Explain. It's my terrain.

[Matthew Hepner]

You think we know. Yes.

[Top Lobster]

I went to Puerto Rico. I went to Puerto Rico as a child. I came to Florida.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That's a tropical island, isn't it?

[Top Lobster]

What?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Puerto Rico is a tropical island. Israel was a desert.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, yeah. But I'm getting to the point. The, the warmer climates really do well for me. Then I went to Aruba and that's like a desert.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Well, you've spoken highly of Aruba though.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, dog. The climate is just perfect for me. I probably belong in Israel.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Is it dry heat in Aruba?

[Top Lobster]

We know it's a dry. Yeah, yeah, yeah, dude.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Because Vegas is dry heat and you can sustain like 120 degree weather and you're like, I don't know if this is bad. I used to be in the hot tub in Vegas in the summer and I felt good. But I mean Nancy, is it, is the heat too much? I just, I just location doxer.

[Matthew Hepner]

She doesn't care.

[Top Lobster]

I didn't thrive in Jamaica.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Nancy, don't go away again for, for a season.

[Top Lobster]

To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if I did a 23andMe and it came up with some sort of Sephardic jewelry. You would not be surprised.

[Matthew Hepner]

No kidding.

[Top Lobster]

You know what? I would be surprised if they allow 23andMe in Israel, which they don't.

[Matthew Hepner]

Nobody should. You're just going to give your blood, your DNA away to somebody.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Oh, you think that's why Israel's doing that?

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, to protect their people. But everybody must be vaccinated. Let's get real.

[Matthew Hepner]

Exactly.

[Top Lobster]

I'm just saying.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Can we get back to scripture please? Because we needed the second.

[Top Lobster]

The second.

[Matthew Hepner]

No, no, we just. So, so. Yeah. He just wraps it up. He says, I'm crucified with Christ. Nevertheless, I live yet not I, but Christ lives in me. Me in the life which I now live in the flesh. I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. I do not frustrate the grace of God. For if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That's a good point.

[Matthew Hepner]

Why he's pissed.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

It's the same thing, right? If salvation came through the law, then Christ died for no reason.

[Matthew Hepner]

If there's salvation any other way, then the cross is the most heinous crime in history.

[Top Lobster]

What do you think Peter thought about this? About this book specifically? I mean, about this letter? Probably read it at some point, right?

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah, he's reading it, just going, damn, dude, he's right.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I'm a.

[Matthew Hepner]

Well, he writes. Peter writes later about the writings of Paul. It's either at the end of First Peter or Second Peter. But. Yeah, and he calls Paul's writing Scripture. Okay, let's see here.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

But he just like that ignores the part where he called him a.

[Matthew Hepner]

No, no, he knew he was right, man. I mean, it is what it is.

[Top Lobster]

Says, yeah, sometimes you. Sometimes you wrong.

[Matthew Hepner]

It's kind of like how you guys just talk through this thing and Top realized you were right. And he's like, all right, I got to give it.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Don't do. Look what he's trying to do.

[Top Lobster]

That didn't happen. Nancy, can you rewind that?

[Matthew Hepner]

Okay, play the tape.

[Top Lobster]

This is. This is 2 Peter instant free play.

[Matthew Hepner]

This is 2 Peter 3, like, starting in verse 15, and account that the long suffering of our Lord is salvation, even as our beloved brother Paul also, according to the wisdom given unto him, hath written unto you. You, as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things in which. In which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable rest or twist as they do also the other scriptures under their own destruction. So he calls Paul's writings. He first off talks about the wisdom given unto Paul, and then he calls his writing scriptures, which is. Which is intriguing.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

So inspired by the Word of God. Is that like the definition of Scripture?

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah, God breathed. Okay. God spoken. All right. I mean, the Word of God is a vast phrase. God could speak to you. God could speak to Raven. Right. But that's not the same as the written word of God. Like, the scripture is like the highest level of the Word of God. Like, there's not.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

And that's God compelling you to like, hey, write this down, homie.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah, for it to be recorded in his word that he puts his stamp on for all eternity. That's much different than like he's talking to you about something in your personal life.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

It is remarkable that that's what we have. And the, the very nature of having scripture that's inspired by God will always leave it up open to the criticisms of, of, you know, anybody who's just like, wait, wait, wait, wait. We're just gonna believe this shit that a dude wrote? Because that's like the fundamental pushback against the Bible, let's say. Like, like I used to have that question, at least before I was ever Christian and I was a young man who was pretty accustomed to the idea that we're being deceived on some mass level. I would go, wait, so like all these books, they're all just written by dudes and we're. And it's like, it's not a very thoughtful critique. It's not something that it's fair, I guess. Yeah, but, but it's, it's, it's, you know how Mabry says, like, the little season is like a mile wide but an inch deep. It's kind of like that, like, it's a big broad question that on its face looks, you know, like a pretty damning corner that you've been backed into, but it's not very deep at all.

[Matthew Hepner]

And it's like, yeah, because then by experience, you start reading and you're going like, wait, 66 books written by 40 different authors and it all fits like this, like, there's no way.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

And it cross references itself, like over and over and over and over and over again. You ever see that thing where there's an image of like, how often the Bible cross references itself and it's like, remarkable.

[Matthew Hepner]

Get a chain reference Bible where it has like a column down the middle and every verse will have another coordinating verse next to it. It's. It's staggering, bro. Like that, like, that's what I'm saying. Or just go in blue letter Bible and type in a word shadow to pick a word. Just type a word in and see the way it pops up through scripture and how it's all connected. And at some point you, if you've been in the universe enough, you're like, dude, man is not this organized.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

This might be a little bit.

[Matthew Hepner]

There's no way that man could have did.

[Top Lobster]

Did this.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, well, that's it. I mean, it really is a remarkable book in that way. I mean, if you, you know, we look at the, like the Marvel films or Something like that, right? We go, look at how often there's like a callback to like a previous movie. Like the Marvel nerds. Like, I used to be a big marvel. Yeah, An Easter egg or something like that. And it used to be like, wow, this is remarkable that anybody could do this. But this is like an actual visual representation of how often one book in the Bible or one verse in the Bible will cross reference another verse in the Bible. I wonder how many total cross references there are. That, that would be an interesting.

[Matthew Hepner]

Like the entire Bible.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Wow. 340,000.

[Matthew Hepner]

Dude, it's the entire Bible, bro. That's what I'm saying. If you ever get a chain reference Bible, it's like every verse, cross references, references something else, man. Or can.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

How are you going to get all these dudes separated by all this time, you know, and all this geography, not.

[Matthew Hepner]

To mention the stuff that gets written before time. Time. Well, so like the regathering of Israel, that said like thousands of years ago, and then it happened in like modern history.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That's crazy. And that's the thing is like, did it. It's easy to say that, right? Like, is it. Why are we taking this book that a dude wrote or multiple dudes wrote as like this, you know, important text that your salvation, you know, understanding your salvation is within. And all this other stuff, if you just spend some time and look at it, it just continues to get like, more and more. At some point you have enough bizarre coincidences, right? That's what conspiracy is. When enough coincidences pile up that you can stop considering the coincidence angle and start looking it as, as evidence. You go, this is a huge pile of coincidences. It's time to start entertaining it as evidence. If this was truly evidence, what does it point to? And, and you have that in the Bible. It's a remarkable text that, that, you know, like I said, we'll gush over what the latest Star wars film did. Look, it's a callback to the graphic novels that are non canon and all this other. And what about the. This actually in the Marvel film is referencing a 1970s comic book that was, you know, limited. And it's like, this is doing that to a staggering degree.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yes.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

And it's been preserved by an unbelievable amount of time.

[Matthew Hepner]

That was one of the things that made me come to terms that like, this is definitely a book written by God.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

This is something. Yeah. And then you could see, like, I'm like, oh yeah, if, if, if the Marvel universe is trying to emulate that, like, yeah, that's that's an achievement. That's an achievement. So that's why they're putting. They're trying to do that with all the. You know, with all the films and everything. And it's like. Like I said, you look for all these. You know, I started thinking about Marvel films in the context of conspiracy theory. And what I realized is there is this satisfying thing. I get it. It. As a. As a conspiracy theorist, I'll look at things in the background and try to deduce the meaning of symbols and subliminal messages and everything. The Marvel films weaponize that. They're like, let's saturate the background in Easter eggs. Like, you said, Easter eggs before. That's like training the average schmuck to do what a conspiracy theorist does. And I don't know if, like, that's because now that I'm looking at conspiracy theory as, like, a little, not, like, nefarious. I mean, it brought me to God. But I am realizing, like, oh, the Gnostic Gospels is what lays at the end of this manic search for hidden truths. I go, is that like a little nefarious, then? To train the average Marvel tard to look feverishly in the background of every film for everything that might have some meaning in the greater Marvel universe, because then what you do is you effectively train the muscle that allows a schizophrenic conspiracy theorist like myself to do the same thing in any movie at any given time. And I just go, that's. I'm glad it was a good path for me and it led me to Christ. But, like, a lot of people don't get off of it, and then they slip into the demiurges B hole, and that's where they live, you know? So I don't know. I've just kind of been thinking about that lately. Like, maybe that's not a great mechanism to train or. Or maybe it is. Is because whoever had that ability saw this 340,000 cross references in the Bible. So, I mean, maybe it's not such a bad thing to have.

[Top Lobster]

I mean, isn't just a replication of what that is an inversion or a poor version of.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah. Of not a forgery, but like a bad copy.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. Although it's even a bad copy of something that good is still good.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Good.

[Top Lobster]

I wouldn't say the Marvel movies are bad. No, they're just kind of.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

And I used to love that. Look, that's the thing from the other movie. They're gonna be in the same movie.

[Matthew Hepner]

Well, they do kind of try to. It's like, subliminal. Like, you know, the guy goes like that, and half the people die and half the people live.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

You mean the Rapture?

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah. I think they're trying to paint God as, like, a. Like an evil entity that picks, you know, half go to heaven, half go to hell.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I just told my son that yesterday.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah, you just gotta watch out for that. That stuff. But under the pure, all things are pure. Like, we watch those and we see the kingdom of God and everything, and we recognize the good and bad. But, I mean, Hollywood is obviously trying to sublimity put. Subliminally put out wickedness and evil and, like, just draw people to it in the subconscious.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Amen, dude. Amen. Don't touch me. You're sick. Never mind. All right, well, let's bring it in for a landing there, because I could feel his energy is fading rapidly.

[Top Lobster]

You know, I'm gonna see how long.

[Matthew Hepner]

I didn't have energy from the beginning.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I know now it's just, like, brutal.

[Matthew Hepner]

I have, like, nothing. I should have had way more cooler stuff to say. And, like, I just.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

All right, we said plenty of cool stuff. That's why we're professionals.

[Top Lobster]

You made us argue, and that was your fault. I blame you because of your lack of enthusiasm.

[Matthew Hepner]

I tried to stick up for.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

We had to put some pep in the show because you were just in such a.

[Top Lobster]

We did that dragging, huh? Look how uncomfortable he gets. Hold on full screen.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

But I'll tell you what, as a. As a Christian, I'm willing to forgive you for that.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, I forgive you for your uncomfortable.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I forgive you for pitting me and Top against each other, not having much to say.

[Top Lobster]

The faces you make.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Oh, that's actually.

[Matthew Hepner]

I just hope I'm better by Thursday, man. I just hope you're better in general, man.

[Top Lobster]

In the pages, they.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

For.

[Matthew Hepner]

Death sp.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

When the last trumpet sounds.